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Description
Moderator: Helen Morgan Parmett
Candidates: Noah Hyman (D) CHI-8, Emilie Krasnow (D) CHI-9, Brian Minier (D) CHI-11, Martin LaLonde (D)* CHI-12
00:01:19 Opening Statements
00:07:11 Education
00:13:19 Health Care
00:24:44 Criminal Justice Reform
00:31:45 Ballot Issues
00:39:05 Language Access
00:44:09 Community Access
00:49:44 Citizen Legislature
00:56:52 30 Second Answers
00:57:46 Closing Comments
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A
Hi
and
welcome
to
the
ongoing
general
election
coverage
by
town
meeting
television.
This
is
one
of
a
series
of
forums
that
will
be
bringing
you
in
advance
of
the
general
election
coming
up
in
November.
My
name
is
Helen
Morgan
parmett
and
I'm.
The
Edwin
W
Lawrence
forensic
Professor
forensic
professor
of
speech,
up
at
the
University
of
Vermont
and
the
director
of
the
Lawrence
debate.
A
Union
I
am
here
to
host
the
South
Burlington
unopposed
election
and
so
I'm
excited
for
you
to
meet
the
candidates,
but
just
so
you
know
that
Tom
beating
TV
hosts
these
forums
with
all
the
candidates
and
we'll
be
covering
all
of
the
ballot
items
that
you'll
see
on
your
ballot.
This
November
town,
meeting,
TV
election
forums,
introduce
you
to
the
community
decision
makers
and
connect
you
with
the
issues
that
shape
your
local
community
and
your
everyday
lives.
A
A
802-862-3966,
so
please
we
want
to
hear
hear
from
you.
We
want
to
take
your
questions
so
hopefully
you'll
give
us
a
call,
so
you
can
watch
town
meeting
TV
on
Comcast
channel,
1087,
Burlington,
Telecom,
Channel,
17
and
217,
as
well
as
online
at
youtube.com,
backslash
town
meeting
TV,
all
right
so
I'm
going
to
give
each
of
the
candidates
a
chance
to
provide
an
opening
statement
before
we
get
into
the
questions
for
today
and
in
your
opening
statement.
A
I
hope
that
you'll
you'll
tell
us
what
will
be
different
for
the
people
of
your
District
as
a
whole,
because
you've
been
elected
to
this
position
and
what
qualifies
you
to
make
those
changes
happen.
So
I
think
we'll
just
kind
of
goes
to
get
started
in
a
row.
We
want
to
get
us
started
and
introduce
yourself
please.
Yes,
thank.
B
You
I'm
Brian
Minier
I'm
running
as
a
Democrat
for
Chittenden
11,
which
used
to
be
7-3.
You
talk
about.
You
know
what
what
things
are
going
to
change
for
us.
It's
going
to
be
a
big
change,
we're
losing
and
Pew
we're
losing
beta
Townsend
we're
losing
John
kalakian.
So
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
turnover
in
big
shoes
for
us
to
fill
for
me.
I'm
doing
this
because
of
a
belief
in
public
service.
B
It
started
small
just
with
coaching,
my
daughter
in
Greater
Burlington
girls
soccer
league,
when
my
kids
were
old
enough
about
four
years
ago,
I
decided
I
was
ready
to
volunteer
for
something
bigger,
and
the
first
opportunity
that
came
along
was
the
school
board.
When
Martin
approached
me,
who
was
on
the
school
board
at
the
time,
and
so
I
stepped
up
and
did
a
term
on
the
school
board
for
the
last
three
years
until
last
town
meeting
day
and
I
knew
when
I
stepped
down
in
March.
That
I
wanted
to
do
something
else.
B
I
wasn't
sure
what
would
come
along,
but
I
learned
soon
thereafter,
that
John
kolacky
would
be
stepping
down,
and
so
with
his
Blessing
I'm
running
for
his
empty
seat
and
I.
Think
a
lot
of
the
skills
that
I
bring
I
learned
on
the
South
Burlington
School
Board,
assimilating
a
lot
of
information,
making
a
fair
decision
listening
to
all
the
voices
at
the
table
and
trying
to
reach
consensus
and
then
conveying
that
clearly
and
I
think
those
things
will
serve
me
well
at
the
state
level
too,.
C
C
I
also
believe
in
public
service
and
volunteerism
and
I
ran
a
business
in
Philadelphia
where
I
met
my
wife,
Who's
Got,
Deep,
Vermont
roots
and
moved
to
Vermont
and
was
a
stay-at-home
father,
but
was
very
active
in
the
schools.
I
was
vice
president
of
the
Rick
Marcotte
parents,
organization
and
I
was
also
a
a
environmentalist
who
did
a
lot
of
work
in
South
Burlington
trying
to
get
environmental
objectives
actually
to
happen.
We
started
a
some
friends
and
I.
C
We
started
a
little
political
action
group
and
we
ended
up
becoming
very
successful
and
we
got
several
people
elected
and
we
got
Land.
Development
regulations
changed
and
I'm
coming
into
the
legislature,
with
a
deep
desire
to
protect
the
environment
and
I
believe
in
the
climate
change
and
the
science
and
that's
why
I'm
running
great.
D
Huntington
chitin
and
nine
South
Burlington
for
the
last
17
years.
I
grew
up
in
Charlotte,
where
I
started
door,
knocking
with
my
dad
at
the
age
of
seven
when
he
was
connecting
with
neighbors
door-to-door
and
want
to
see
in
the
state
legislature
and
served
Charlotte
as
our
state
representative
from
1994
to
1998.
Until
he
passed
and
then
my
sister
was
appointed
to
that
seat.
D
I
grew
up
in
a
family
of
public
service
and
he's
a
huge
reason
that
I
want
to
continue
to
run
and
step
up
and
fall
in
his
footsteps,
while
being
serving
in
the
legislature,
will
be
new
for
me.
Working
in
the
State
House
well,
I
spent
seven
years
as
an
assistant
in
the
Senate
and
then
the
lieutenant
governor's
office,
which
gave
me
a
really
strong
understanding
of
government
systems
and
how
they
impact
our
state
and
community.
D
D
E
Thank
you,
I'm
Martin,
Lalonde
and
I'm
running
for
my
fifth
term
in
the
legislature.
So
there
won't
be
I,
guess
much
of
a
change
in
my
district
as
far
as
who's
representing
them,
I've
been
on
the
Judiciary
Committee
for
the
last
four
terms
and
hope
to
return
to
the
Judiciary.
Committee
is
again
in
January
and
on
the
Judiciary
Committee
for
a
term.
I
are
I,
served
as
a
ranking
member
and
in
this
most
recent
I
guess
it's
still.
E
The
current
biennium
I'm,
also
an
assistant,
Majority
Leader,
so
I'm
very
excited
about
running
with
the
with
the
new
South
Burlington
team.
I've
really
enjoyed
the
team
that
we
have
had
before
with
Helen
head
and
and
Pugh
and
maida
and
John,
but
but
I
think
we
have
great
representatives
for
South
Burlington,
including
Kate
Nugent,
who
was
unable
to
make
it
tonight.
E
A
All
right
great:
well,
it's
so
nice
to
to
meet
all
of
you,
and
so
let's
dig
into
the
questions
that
are
on
the
foremost
or
the
minds
of
the
voters
and
first
we'll
talk
about
education,
so
the
legislature
can
make
impacts
on
how
education
is
funded.
Statewide.
Do
you
see
the
need
for
changes
to
how
we
fund
education
and
how
would
you
use
your
office
to
move
changes
forward?
So
let's
get
started
with
Martin
this
time
sure.
E
So
I've
definitely
had
a
lot
of
involvement
with
education
funding
more
more
so
on
the
school
board
side
than
than
in
the
legislature,
but
our
funding
system
that
we
have
different
different
goals
for
the
funding
system.
One
is
certainly
to
make
sure
that
our
schools
are
being
fully
funded
and
we
can
offer
the
public
education
that
we
want,
but
also
in
a
manner
that
is
fair.
And
so,
when
you,
when
you
really
are
striving
for
fairness,
it
can
also
become
a
little
complicated.
E
There's,
there's
trade-offs
there
as
far
as
Simplicity
versus
fairness
and
where
we
have
ended
up
is
we
have
a
partial
property
tax
and
we
have
a
partial
income
tax
really
with
with
the
way
that
it's
set
up
it.
It
could
be
less
complicated.
There's
been
talk
about
moving
solely
to
to
an
income
tax
base,
but
that's
not
you
know,
there's
some
issues
with
that,
but
but
the
main
point
is
I
guess
I'll
make.
E
Is
that,
just
in
the
past
week
a
a
task
force
of
of
stakeholders
that
have
been
directed
by
the
legislature
to
to
really
look
at
this
issue
has
started
its
work.
So
we
should
be
seeing
some
recommendations
at
the
beginning
of
next
year
about
whether
whether
there
are
any
changes
that
we
should
be
making
so.
D
Sure
well,
Martin
I
certainly
agree
with
a
lot
of
what
he
said
and
I'm
the
daughter
of
two
public
Educators,
so
I
have
been
entrenched
in
our
education
system,
my
entire
life
and
just
really
seeing
the
importance
of
giving
our
schools
and
our
children
all
the
resources
they
need
to
to
thrive.
One
of
my
first
internships,
actually
at
the
state
house,
was
in
the
House
Education
committee,
so
I
really
got
to
understand
a
lot
of
the
process.
D
I
do
think
that
Vermont's
Educational
Funding
formula
is
very
complicated
and
I
also
believe
that,
with
some
of
the
new
funding
studies
and
things
that
are
coming
out,
that
it
will
be
I'll
be
looking
forward
to
seeing
what
they
come
up
with,
and
it's
certainly
a
topic
of
conversation
in
the
district
for
for
folks,
so
I'm,
looking
forward
to
seeing
what
people
come
up
with
and
open
to
different
ideas.
Great
how.
C
My
father
was
a
also
a
teacher
and
having
volunteered
in
the
in
the
schools.
I
got
to
see
a
lot
of
how
our
money
is
actually
put
to
use.
I
think
that
tax
Equity
is
a
very
important
in
school
funding.
I
mean
there
that
there
are
definitely
ways
to
generate
more
money
for
the
schools
and
I
think
doing
it.
That
way
is
probably
the
most
beneficial
to
not
hurt.
C
You
know,
families
that
are
struggling,
I
believe
just
this
year,
I
think
it
was
s287
tried
to
tackle
student,
equity
and
I
think
it's
also
even
possible
that
money
can
even
be
put
for
the
new
schools
that
seem
to
be
in
great
demand
in
Vermont.
Right
now,
I
mean
Burlington
is
the
obvious
example,
but
South
Burlington
has
its
own
aging
schools
and
at
the
state
level
bonding
for
those
new
schools
which
hasn't
been
taking
place
for
a
long
time
now
might
be
something
that
will
help
that
to
occur.
C
C
A
B
Well,
I
guess
going
forth
makes
it
a
little
easy
I
get
to
build
on
everything
that
you
all
said.
Everything
they've
said
is
true.
There's
a
big
Confluence
of
events
coming
together
with
Federal
funding
drying
up
with
more
pupils
coming
into
South
Burlington,
and
our
outgoing
South
Burlington
superintendent,
David
Young
estimated
the
Statewide
backlog
of
infrastructure
needs
between
2
and
2.5
billion
dollars.
B
B
Obviously,
this
is
a
huge
ask
for
a
community
we're
going
to
see
what
Burlington
does
winuski's
had
its
own
issues
that
it's
conquering
I
think
to
address
this
number
one
I'd
like
to
go
back
to
a
state
level
match
where
there's
a
big
enough
project,
the
state
funds
up
to
20
percent
of
it
like
they
still
have
in
Massachusetts
and
like
we
ourselves
did
until
12
to
15
years
ago,
I'm
curious
about
the
idea
of
switching
over
to
a
more
income-based
tax
to
fund
it.
I
gather
from
Martin
to
their
issues
with
this
I
I'm.
B
Looking
forward
to
finding
them
out,
I,
don't
know
everything
and
I'm
also
curious
to
see
how
the
new
state,
the
pupil
waiting
comes
out.
That
formula
was
just
changed.
That's
another
one
of
the
factors,
that's
in
the
mix
and
it's
going
to
be
interesting
to
see
how
that
affects
our
school
budget
building
this
year.
A
Let's
turn
to
the
issue
of
Health
Care,
so
the
increasing
cost
of
Health
Care
is
putting
a
lot
of
pressure
on
vermonters
and
the
state's
economy,
and
certainly
covid
has
sharpened
our
focus
on
the
inequities
around
Health
Care
in
Vermont.
So
what
do
you
think
is
next
for
Health
Care
changes
in
Vermont?
Let's
get
started
with
you.
C
C
C
That
legislation
can
help
to
make
clear,
so
people
will
even
be
able
to
choose,
maybe
I
get
it
done
in
Dartmouth
or
maybe
I
get
it
done
at
UVM
and
covid
has
also
increased
the
amount
of
patience
that
we
have
in
Vermont
and
at
the
same
time
we
have
a
net
loss
of
doctors,
and
doctors
are
also
concentrated
in
our
bigger
cities
and
around
the
medical
center.
Obviously,
and
in
its
networks,
Town
doctors
are
virtually
all
gone
and
it's
less
access
for
for
patients.
They
live
in
our
local
rural
areas.
C
C
It's
difficult
for
independent
doctors,
Specialists
surgeons,
to
open
their
own
ambulatory,
surgical,
centers
or
their
own
facilities
would
be
for
colonoscopies
or
orthos
arthroscopic
surgery.
They
can't
do
that
because
the
certificate
of
knee
process
is
so
so
difficult
and
at
the
at
the
end,
the
hospitals
can
also
charge
about
50
more
for
code.
Each
code
than
independent
can
charge.
C
B
I
guess
one
perspective
that
I
bring
to
it
is
in
a
different
life
in
a
different
state.
I
was
an
operations
assistant
for
the
University
of
Wisconsin,
Medical
Foundation,
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
did
every
week
on
a
weekly
basis
was
get
together
for
two
hours,
with
a
primary
care
committee.
Looking
at
how
you
can
properly
compensate
Primary
Care
Providers,
a
field
that
was
already
short
of
help
decades
ago.
One
thing
that
we
talked
about
at
the
time
that
wasn't
able
to
come
to
fruition
then
is
properly
paying
for
Telehealth
and
I.
B
Think
if
the
pandemic
has
shown
us
anything,
it's
that
you
can
do
a
lot
on
Zoom,
although
I
would
say,
education
is
not
one
of
them,
but
there
are
plenty
of
Health
Care
yeah,
but
there
are
plenty
of
Health
Care
visits
that
can
be
done.
That
way,
you
just
have
to
compensate
the
provider
properly,
and
it
could
also
be
a
more
efficient
system.
I
think
the
other
possibility
is
to
set
up
the
kind
of
thing
that
was
put
in
place
for
child
care
providers.
B
A
E
Well,
it
is
a
complicated
issue
and
I
I'm
I'm,
happy
that
I'll
be
in
a
Judiciary
Committee
and
just
need
to
solve
the
courts
and
Public
Safety
and
criminal
law,
and-
and
instead
of
this,
is
very
much
more
complicated,
actually
I,
I
guess
I'll
just
mention
a
couple
things.
The
the
ideas
that
have
kicked
around
just
show
how
complicated
this
is,
but,
but
we
have
expanded
Telehealth
that
that
definitely
during
the
pandemic
and
and
I
believe
that
is
going
to
continue,
and
so
so
that's
definitely
a
good
thing.
E
But
but
the
area
that
I've
been
focusing
on
a
little
bit
more
is
is
our
is
mental
health
and
and
the
issues
that
we're
having
with
mental
health.
The
fact
that
we
have
people
that
are
being
held
in
in
the
hospitals
in
the
emergency
department
for
days,
if
not
weeks,
that
they're
not
other
places
to
put
them
that
individuals
that
are
working
in
the
hospitals
are
are
have
violence
against
them
from
some
of
the
individuals
who
are
have
who
are
being
held
in
an
inappropriate
setting.
So
that's
just
that.
E
Just
is
one
example
of
of
the
challenges
we
have
with
with
mental
health
and
from
what
I
understand
as
well.
During
the
the
pandemic
and
the
social
isolation.
We
have
an
increasing
issues
with
mental
health
in
our
in
our
schools,
but
just
Statewide
and
right
now
we're
just
not
in
the
position
where
we
are
really
dealing
with
that
issue.
E
So
any
event.
Those
are
some
of
the
complicated
issues.
The
other
thing
I
would
throw
out
there,
but
I
won't
get
into
it.
That
deeply
is
I've,
been
interested
in
the
last
few
years
of
somehow
figuring
out
how
to
have
Universal
primary
care,
but
I
think
we're
a
little
ways
away
from
that
as
well.
There's
a
lot
to
have
to
that.
We
have
to
solve
in
this
area.
Yeah.
D
I
grew
up
in
Vermont
and
unfortunately,
I
can
say
that
it
has
been
like
this
since
I
was
in
high
school
and
had
friends
who
needed
help
and
couldn't
find
providers
to
for
for
the
help.
No
one
should
be
choosing
between
their
next
meal
and
a
visit
to
the
doctor.
We
often
say
at
the
food
shelf
that
you
know
anyone
is
just
a
medical
bill
away
from
having
to
come
here
and
going
bankrupt.
D
I
come
to
this
also
as
someone
who
spent
the
last
four
years,
caretaking
for
my
mother
who
passed
away
two
weeks
ago,
so
I
saw
firsthand
the
inequities
in
our
Health
Care
system
for
people
with
terminal
illness
and
our
seniors.
There
are
a
lot
of
seniors
in
my
district
who
are
struggling
right
now
to
make
those
tough
choices
and
I
just
I
won't
rest
until
they
don't
have
to
make
those
decisions.
Anymore.
A
I'm
so
sorry
to
hear
about
your
mom
and
thank
you
for
sharing
that
experience
with
us.
Let's
shift
our
attention
to
Criminal
Justice
Reform.
So
how
does
Chittenden
County
address
crime?
Is
there
a
problem
with
policing
that,
in
your
view,
needs
reform,
and
how
would
you
address
Community
safety
I'm
going
to
give
you
a
chance
to
go
first,
this
time,
Emily
all.
D
Right
well
in
visiting
different
neighborhoods
in
my
district.
This
certainly
is
one
of
the
number
one
things
that
I'm
hearing
from
folks
is
their
concerns
about
Public
Safety
in
South,
Burlington
and
in
our
region,
because
I
I
really
think
that
it's
a
regional
issue,
one
of
the
first
things
that
I
did
when
I
decided
to
step
up
and
run
for
office,
was
to
reach
out
to
Chief
Burke
our
South
Burlington
Police
Chief,
and
talk
to
him
about
what
he's
seeing
what
I've
seen
where
we
can
kind
of
bridge
gaps.
D
I
wanted
to
talk
to
him
about
people
experiencing
houselessness
and
where
they
were
located
in
South
Burlington.
What
kind
of
Outreach
we're
doing
for
people
with
substance
use
disorder
because
I
think
that
they
are
inextricably
connected?
And
so
we
had
a
wonderful
meeting
and
I
wanted
to
open
up
that
dialogue
so
that
when
I
was
serving,
he
would
know
that
we
could
have
a
good
connection.
D
D
So
I
want
to
make
sure
that
myself,
my
senior
neighbors,
who
also
live
alone,
that
we
feel
safe
and
that
we
look
out
for
each
other
South
Burlington
is
a
special
Community,
where
neighbors
really
do
help
neighbors,
so
I
feel
like
we
have
each
other's
back.
But
there
is
a
lot
of
work
to
do
and
I'm
interested
in
learning
more
from
Martin
and
folks
who
have
a
lot
of
experience
in
criminal
justice.
B
So
I
agree
with
Emily
that
it's
a
regional
issue
and
I
think
it
was
interesting
to
see
in
the
contested
Democratic
primary
for
Chittenden
County
State's
Attorney,
the
different
not
only
talking
points
but
approaches
with
Ted
Kenny
and
with
Sarah
George
I,
take
Sarah's
point
that
her
approach
hasn't
necessarily
had
a
chance
to
work.
It
she's,
focusing
more
on
restorative
justice
on
less
punitive
measures.
B
Part
of
the
problem
is:
there's
a
backlog
in
the
courts
that
doesn't
necessarily
disprove
her
approach.
I
think
we
need
to
give
that
approach
more
time.
I
think
we
have
to
understand
that
underlying
these
behaviors.
These
issues
is
greater
homelessness,
greater
poverty,
folks,
don't
always
have
the
opportunity,
and
so
what
do
we
do
about?
It?
I
think
it
varies
from
town
to
town
I.
Think
Burlington
has
very
different
issues
than
we
do.
I
think
it
was
only
a
couple
of
nights
ago.
B
They
had
maybe
their
23rd
or
24th
gunfire
incident
downtown
we're
not
to
my
knowledge,
seeing
that
sort
of
thing
in
South
Burlington,
but
there
has
been
an
uptick
in
sort
of
nuisance.
Crimes
like
vandalism
and
graffiti
I
have
heard
from
retailers,
anecdotal
stories
about
organized
theft,
and
so
there
is
this
fear,
that's
induced
out
there.
I
would
say
we
need
to
give
this
restorative
approach
a
little
bit
more
of
a
chance
and
remember
that
we
aren't,
although
we're
all
working
together
as
a
county,
we're
not
all
the
same
from
town
to
town.
E
It's
it's
definitely
an
issue
that
I've
I've
worked
on
and
look
at
and
really
as
a
starting
point
and
I
think
both
Brian.
You
know
they.
We've
already
talked
about
this.
A
little
bit.
Ryan
and
Emily
have
mentioned
that
you
know
there's
root
causes.
There
are
underlying
causes
that
you
have
to
look
at.
You
have
to
look
at.
It
goes
back
to
our
mental
health
crisis.
E
We
need
to
have
more
services
for
individuals
suffering
from
mental
health
problems,
not
not
that
mental
health
directly
leads
to
crime
and
that's
not
at
all
the
case.
It's,
but,
but
certainly
that
that's
an
issue
that
should
be
addressed.
Poverty,
substance
use
disorder.
These
are
underlying
issues,
probably
more
the
substance
use
disorder
than
than
the
others,
but
property
as
well
and
homelessness.
E
It's
not
really
the
consequences
of
how
harsh
they
are.
If
you
have
a
10-year
sentence
or
a
one-year
sentence
or
restorative
justice
as
a
consequence,
really,
the
issue
is
for
potential
offenders
is
the
risk
of
being
caught
and
then
how
Swift
the
consequences
occur
and
with
respect
to
those
two,
as
far
as
the
risk
of
being
caught
directly
relates
to
law
enforcement
presence
and
Burlington
and
South,
Burlington
and
Statewide
were
having
a
lot
of
trouble,
retaining
and
and
hiring
more
law
enforcement.
E
So
that's
a
an
issue
that
that
we
don't
have
the
presence
of
law
enforcement.
That's
number
one,
and
the
second
is
the
backlog
in
the
courts.
That
Brian
mentioned
is
is
another
issue
that
we
need
to
more
directly
deal
with.
So
there's
a
lot
that
can
be
dealt
with
and
there's
several
things
that
I
mentioned,
and
that
would
that
we'll
be
looking
at
as
well.
So.
C
Happens
to
be
in
I
have
family
in
the
Netherlands,
and
one
of
the
interesting
facts
about
the
Netherlands
is
that
in
the
last
25
years,
they've
been
virtually
able
to
empty
their
prisons.
Some
persons
hold
as
little
as
40
people
and
they
were
designed
for
eight
900
people.
It's
called
the
Roth
hunt
act
and
it
strengthens
commitment
to
crime
prevention.
So
that
was
the
intention.
C
It's
a
private,
Corp,
corporate
and
and
state
through
environmental
design,
defensible
space,
opportunity,
reduction,
empowerment
of
neighborhood
watch,
Surveillance
and
education
of
our
of
our
young
one
of
the
first
things
they
do.
Is
they
targeted
vandalism
because
it's
kind
of
like
a
gateway
to
to
Crime?
C
And
it's
been
wildly
successful
and
that's
something
that
Montpelier
can
do
top
down
across
across
the
state?
Brian's
right,
we
don't
have
what's
going
on
in
Burlington
right
now.
We
also
don't
have
the
the
stores.
We
don't
have
the
the
public
space
for
it
to
even
take
place
and
that
that
would
fall
under
opportunity
reduction
and
there
are.
There
might
be
things
that
Burlington
could
do,
but
I
think
Statewide.
C
A
Thanks
for
those
thoughts,
yeah,
let's
move
on
to
these
ballot
issues,
some
very
contested
ballot
issues
coming
up
the
two
Constitutional
Amendments
constitutional
proposition,
two
and
proposition
five
will
be
in
front
of
Voters
this
November.
Now,
do
you
support
or
oppose
Brian?
It's
your
turn
to
go.
First,
fair.
B
Enough
I
actually
think
the
first
one
is
not
really
contested
at
all
as
I
understand
it.
It's
to
correct
some
language
in
the
Constitution
that
seemed
to
allow
for
slavery
and
indentured
servitude,
which
is
obviously
nothing
that
anyone
is
going
to
support.
I
think
there's
also
a
potential
real
world
application
of
this
in
terms
of
prison
labor
as
I
understand
it.
So
there
is
a
necessity
to
do
this.
As
you
know,
in
addition
to
it,
just
being
the
right
thing,
I
have
not
heard
opposition
to
it.
B
I
haven't
heard
anyone
complaining
about
it
or
speaking
against
it.
So
I'll
leave
that
one
there,
the
article
22
the
reproductive
autonomy
issue,
I
think
there
has
been
some
misinformation.
Circling
about
calculating
about
this
I
think
some
people
are
afraid
that
it
will
change
what's
going
on
in
Vermont
for
the
worse.
The
truth
is
as
I
understand
that
this
is
just
setting
in
stone
in
the
Vermont
Constitution.
B
They're,
incredibly
rare
they're
not
going
to
become
less
so,
and
there
are
still
going
to
be
in
place
Clauses
for
healthcare
providers
who
do
not
wish
to
participate.
So
any
of
the
arguments
that
I
have
heard
against
this
proposition
don't
hold
and
I
I
think
it
absolutely
has
to
go
through.
I've,
been
disheartened
by
what
I've
seen
at
the
federal
level.
E
Yeah
I
I
couldn't
have
said
it
better
than
what
Brian
has
said,
but
I'll
add
a
little
bit
anyway,
but
the
prop
2
is
very
straightforward,
I
think
as
well
prop
5
or
article
22
or
reproductive
Liberty
Amendment.
However,
you
want
to
refer
to
it,
as
is,
is
preserving
or
solidifying
the
status
quo
and
to
and
to
talk
a
little
bit
further
about
this
concept
of
the
opposition
that
there
could
be
late
term
abortions.
I
mean
number
one.
There
simply
aren't.
E
But
if,
for
some
reason,
this
is
one
argument,
I've
heard,
is
that
well
it's
what
happens
if
we
have
somebody
come
from
out
of
state,
you
know
to
or
or
we
have,
other
providers
less
ethical
coming
into
the
state
to
provide
this
service
or
if
the
UVM
Medical
Center,
all
of
a
sudden
drops
those
kind
of
restrictions
and
says
yeah,
elective
elective
abortions
can
happen
after
22
weeks
or
later.
Well,
if
that
unlikely
event
were
to
occur,
the
amendment
still
allows
the
legislature
to
to
pass
restrictions.
E
They
just
need
to
have
a
compelling
reason
to
do
so
and
actually
under
Roe
v
Wade
many
years
ago,
when
it
was
still
in
force
a
compelling
reason
that
was
found
when
a
fetus
is
viable,
so
so
the
the
legislature
would
not
have
its
hands
tied.
If
that
unlikely
event
were
to
happen.
So
I'm
definitely
a
big
supporter
of
this
us
and
and
and
definitely
want
to
dispel
these
these.
What
I
think
are
Scare
Tactics
that
are
going
on
out
there.
C
D
D
Right
now,
legislators
are
Gatekeepers
for
our
freedoms
because
we
don't
know,
what's
going
to
happen
nationally
and
that's
terrifying
for
a
lot
of
people
myself
over
the
last
10
years,
I've
been
an
organizer
and
volunteer
with
organizations
like
Planned
Parenthood,
because
I've
been
that
friend
holding
another
friend's
hand
when
they
needed
it.
Most
I've
I've
seen
the
pain
and
and
I've
seen
just
what
other
young
women
have
to
go
through
and
I'm.
Just
really
grateful
that
our
legislature
took
action
to
be
a
role
model
for
the
rest
of
the
country.
D
A
E
I
mean
it
is
valuable.
It's
important
to
have
that,
and
just
specifically
I
would
also
add
in
the
for
access
to
Justice
and
and
in
my
role
in
the
Judiciary
Committee
of
the
Judiciary
Committee
has
made
sure
that
we've
been
providing
the
funding
to
the
courts
to
have
interpretive
services
available
for
people
who
come
into
our
courts.
So
it's
important
there
and
it's
important
in
the
other
areas
as
well,
that
you
mentioned
all.
B
B
I
think
this
is
an
issue
now
because
my
wife
who's
a
native
vermonter
and
went
through
the
South
Burlington
schools.
If
you
look
back
at
the
picture,
her
class
pictures
from
Orchard
and
Tuttle,
it
looks
very
different
than
what
we
have
today.
There
are
a
bunch
of
new
Americans
here
and
I.
Don't
want
to
live
in
a
community
that
doesn't
support
these
people
that
doesn't
give
them
access
to
the
services
that
they
want.
I
also
think
that
this
ultimately
will
make
us
a
better
Community,
a
more
interesting
one,
a
more
tolerant
one
yeah.
D
I
do
really
appreciate.
There
are
I
I
can't
recall
the
exact
committees
working
on
this,
but
there
are
right
now
in
the
state
legislature.
People
are
discussing
how
to
do
better
in
this
regard
for
our
state,
so
there
is
progress
being
made.
More
has
to
be
done.
It's
critically
important,
also
in
voting
so
for
a
number
of
years.
I
worked
on
various
campaigns
from
Municipal
to
Federal
campaign
work
and
one
of
the
most
important
things
was
making
sure
that
materials
and
things
that
we
put
out
were
translated.
D
He
to
everyone,
as
well
as
people
with
disabilities,
that
far
too
often
gets
forgotten
to
make
sure
that
we
have
people,
interpreters
and
people
who
can
assist
folks
who
want
to
have
a
seat
at
the
table
and
I.
Don't
know
if
it
covers
it
in
this,
but
I
also
think
that
one
of
the
things
from
day,
one
that
I'm
gonna
discuss,
is
making
sure
that
our
state
house
is
accessible
to
everyone
because
it
isn't,
and
that
is
very
troubling.
C
Yeah
sure
about
15
years
ago,
when
we
were
just
starting
at
our
life
in
Vermont,
I
I,
remember
that
there
were
times
where
I
would
have
to
translate
for
strangers
in
the
supermarket
or
my
my
wife.
If
they
couldn't
get
affluent
Spanish-speaking
person
to
translate.
Sometimes
my
my
brother
would
call-
and
it's.
B
C
For
them
and
our
medical
system,
our
welfare
systems,
our
political
systems,
it
can
be
very
daunting
for
for
a
new
immigrant,
especially
if
they're
speaking
a
a
rarer
language,
if
it's
not
one
of
your
Spanish
Chinese,
Farsi
Indian,
but
then
life
becomes
very
challenging
and
so
I
strongly
support.
This
and
I
think
this
is
a
a
real
low-hanging
fruit
with
technology
that
we
have
today
that
this
absolutely
should
happen.
So.
A
A
And
with
that
we're
going
to
move
on
to
our
next
question,
which
is
about
Community
Access.
So
here
we
are
in
the
CCTV
Studios
So,
currently
funded
primarily
by
cable
Revenue,
and
that
means
that
with
all
this
court
County,
obviously
Community
TV
like
town
meeting
TV,
is
in
Decline.
So
how
would
you
see
the
legislature
supporting
Community
Access
TV,
such
as
providers
of
this
forum,
Ryan
I,.
B
B
Think
it's
primarily
through
the
web
and
streaming
services
now,
and
so
this
is
cheating
a
little
bit
and
switching
to
another
question,
but
I
think
it
makes
it
all
the
more
important
to
get
Broadband
to
all
the
Lesser
to
all
the
smaller
Corners,
not
only
of
Chittenden
County,
but
also
of
the
state,
and
once
you
do
that
people
have
better
access
to
information,
as
Noah
suggested,
with
the
tools
available.
Now
it's
going
to
be
accessible
to
a
greater
group.
D
I
watch
Municipal
meetings
for
South
Burlington,
every
single
one
I
think
it
is
really
important
to
watch
those
and
have
that
I
do
again
recognize
that's
a
privilege
that
I
have
the
access
to
that.
But
you
know
because
I
believe
in
a
collaborative
approach
and
with
our
local
municipal
government
and
the
work
that
we'll
be
doing
in
the
state
house,
so
I'm
so
grateful
for
CCTV.
D
That's
there
every
meeting
and
I'm
watching
it
yeah
I
believe
that
we
need
to
if,
if
necessary,
allocate
funds
to
fund
things
like
this
and
and
all
it's.
So
it's
just
really
important
and
as
looping
back
to
language
access
CCTV
does
a
really
great
job
in
having
translated
information
when
covid
it
was
raging,
there
was
information
about
vaccines
in
all
different
languages.
It's
also
just
really
helpful
for
people
like
me
who
love
to
learn
about
government
at
any
time.
I
can
go
and
watch
something
from
yesterday.
D
To
my
you
know:
whenever
I
want
after
a
work
day,
so
that's
been
really
helpful
and
one
of
the
good
things
about
the
pandemic
is
how
accessible
these
kinds
of
things
have
been
for
people
when
they
were
at
home
and
still
going
on.
You
have
zooms,
shows
and
things
like
that,
and
also
at
the
State
House
having
committee
meetings
and
other
things
going
on
and
film
for
people.
B
E
E
That's
on
the
table
is,
is
scrutinized
terribly,
but
I
will
also
say
a
budget
is
a
moral
statement
and
and
I
think
we
need
to
put
our
money
where
our
mouth
is
using
that
cliche,
but
we're
talking
about
the
threats
to
democracy
and
and
Outlets
like
CCTV,
are
absolutely
critical,
I
think
for
for
democracy.
We
just
need
more
people
to
watch
as
well.
But
if
that's
the
case,
we
we
need
to.
We
need
to
have
some
additional
funding.
A
Right
well,
I'd
like
to
okay.
So
let's
move
on
to
the
next
question
about
citizen
legislature.
So
all
the
questions
here
in
reference,
complex
systems
issues
and
this
year
the
legislature
will
see
a
big
turnover
in
elected
officials.
Can
a
part-time
citizen,
legislature
and
Montpelier
do
the
job
needed
for
vermonters.
A
C
C
C
I
I
can't
imagine
how
anyone
that
wasn't
well
off
or
had
someone
supporting
a
family
or
could
even
attempt
this.
It's
it's
a
it's
a
time-consuming
at
times,
thankless
but
necessary
thing
to
do,
and
and
I
I'm
really
looking
forward
to
it,
but
I'm,
just
very
lucky
that
I
have
the
support
of
my
family
and
my
wife
to
to
be
able
to
to
offer
my
time
and
life
experience
to
this,
but
I
think
the
way
it's
set
up
now
keeps
people
from
being
able
to
join
the
legislature.
It's
just
two
owners.
D
This
is
another
question
that
I
I
really
have
thought
a
lot
about.
So
when
my
father
served,
he
was
a
teacher,
so
he
was
able
to
make
that
work
as
a
young
woman
who's
stepping
up
to
run.
That's
the
number
one
thing
that
I
thought
about,
and
it's
difficult
and
I'm,
not
a
legislator,
so
I
don't
know
if
I
can
say
that
it
works
or
doesn't
work.
D
I
know
that
there
are
bills
that
go
in
after
students
working
there,
whether
it
be
to
add
health
care
or
I,
recently
heard
a
proposal
that
I
thought
was
pretty
interesting.
So,
instead
of
giving
ourselves
a
pay,
raise
you
kind
of
push
it
out,
so
you,
if
you
are
still
there,
you
can
benefit
from
it.
But
let's
say
it
starts
in
four
years,
so
it's
not
for
the
people
that
are
there
now.
E
I,
so
the
idea
of
a
citizen
legislature
is
that
we
can
have
a
well-represented
legislature
and
people
from
all
walks
of
life.
It
probably
used
to
be
the
case
when,
when
there
was
more
of
a
farming
community
and
and
from
January
until
March,
one
didn't
have
to
be
in
the
farm,
for
instance,
but
it
doesn't
work
now,
I
mean
we
don't
have
a
cross-section
of
of
vermonters
in
the
legislature.
It
is
really
difficult
for
people
who
don't
either
have
a
very
flexible
job,
have
a
spouse.
E
Who
is
the
primary
Breadwinner,
which
is
my
case?
Thank
you
very
much
Ann
or
is
retired.
You
know
it's
really
hard
to
do.
I
mean
some
people
do
manage
to
do
it,
certainly,
but
but
it's
it's
it's
difficult
and
and
what
the
answer
is
it's
very
complicated
to
really
figure
that
out.
It
may
take
a
constitutional
amendment
if
we
ever
get
there,
but
on
the
other
hand,
you
know
people
might
see
this
as
well.
E
A
politician
is
whining
and
and
whenever
something
comes
up,
I
know
that
one
of
our
young
one
of
our
youngest
legislators,
who
is
not
running
again
because
she
just
couldn't
do
this
put
in
a
a
bill
to
have
a
reasonable
raise
it
wasn't.
Even
it
would
still
be
barely
a
living
wage,
it
was
absolutely
attacked,
you
know
and
and
the
people
who
sponsored
that
bill
were
absolutely
taxed.
So
it's
like
a
political
third
rail
to
do
this.
E
So
there's
that
side
of
it
and
there's
the
fact
that
we
really
are
not
having
a
true
citizen
legislature
and
the
issues
are
becoming
more
complicated,
I
mean
it's
it's
it's
it's
it's
difficult,
we
don't
have
and
I
don't
mean
to
be
whining
here
either,
but
we
don't
have
assistance.
We
have.
We
have
shared
resources
in
a
joint
fiscal
office
and
legislative
Council
and
they're
awesome,
but
but
we
don't
have,
we
can't
bring
on
people
to
provide
expertise
in
certain
areas.
So
so
there's
that
I
will
add.
E
One
more
thing
is
that
it
still
somehow
works.
You
know
we're
still
getting
things
done,
I
think
it
works
even
and
better
when
we
have
frankly
more
cooperation
between
the
administration
and
the
legislature
than
we've
been
having
the
last
couple
years,
but
even
so
it
we're
still
managing,
and
the
thing
is
that
we
end
up
having
to
rely
significantly
on
the
administration.
So
the
executive
branch
has
a
lot
of
influence
here.
Any
event
I
could
keep
on
going,
but.
B
And
I'll
keep
it
short.
I
know
we're
getting
to
the
end
of
the
hour.
I
think
one
important
thing
to
say
is
that
I've
been
watching
what
Martin
does
and
what
the
other
folks
who
preceded
us
have
been
doing:
yeah
they're
part-time
legislatures,
where
there's
a
lot
of
work
going
on
out
of
session.
So
how
part-time
are
they
I
think
we
are
going
to
succeed?
But
it's
because
we've
had
wonderful,
unofficial
mentors
and
the
folks
who
are
stepping
down
and
Martin
and
because
there
is
a
mentorship
program
set
up
for
when
you
get
there.
B
So
there
will
be
continuity.
We'll
do
good
work.
As
for
the
final
question
about
whether
this
is
sustainable,
we'll
find
out
because
I'm
working
as
a
secretary
at
UVM
and
my
job
is
my
boss
has
been
very
understanding.
But
when
I'm
there
there
one
day
a
week
in
person
in
the
spring,
we'll
see
whether
the
powers
that
be
allow
that
I'm
not
sure
whether
it
can
work
I
hope
it
can
but
we'll
find
out.
A
What
time
for
one
rapid
fire
question
so
just
very
quickly
and
then
we'll
do
your
closing
statements
and
so
that
rapid
fire
question
is
going
to
be
what
are
your
top
two
priorities,
this
biennium
and
so
like
of
all
the
pieces
of
legislation
that
are
going
to
come
through
the
door?
What
are
your
top
two
Emily.
A
E
Addressing
some
of
the
interesting
issues
that
have
come
from
the
Supreme
U.S
Supreme
Court,
the
Dobbs
case,
the
Broome
case,
which
is
guns
in
the
making
case,
which
involves
separation
of
church
and
state.
That's
kind
of
focused
on
Judiciary,
Committee
I
agree
with
all
those
other
priorities
as
well,
but.
A
E
A
D
Yeah
well
thanks.
So
much
for
having
us
and
I
hope.
I
can
count
on
chitin
and
nine
support
on
November
8th
for
more
information
about
more
of
my
legislative
priorities
and
to
contact
me,
which
is
the
most
important
thing,
because
I'm
running
to
bring
your
voices
to
Montpelier.
Please
visit
emilycrosnow.com
and
before
we
go
I
just
want
to
give
a
huge
thank
you
to
representative
Ann
Pugh
representative
maida,
Townsend
and
representative
John
kolacki,
who
have
been
incredible
mentors
and
leaders,
and
our
community
is
so
grateful
for
their
service
right.
C
Also
would
like
to
thank
our
predecessors,
and
I
would
like
to
thank
this
team
here
for
being
very
helpful.
I
would
also
ask
to
please
vote
Yes
on
article
22
and
I
really
have
found
it
to
be
a
pleasure
to
knock
on
your
doors
and
talk
to
you.
Thank
you
for
sharing
your
your
your
experiences
and,
being
so
open
and
honest
with
me
and
I.
Look
forward
to
representing
you
in
Montpelier.
B
Very
excited
for
this
opportunity,
even
though
we're
unopposed
I,
don't
think
any
of
us
is
taking
it
for
granted.
You
can
reach
out
to
any
one
of
us
here
whether
or
not
you're
in
our
district,
and
we
will
try
to
help
you
and
point
you
to
the
right
person.
Please
keep
reaching
out
to
us.
We
can't
do
this
without
you.
We
need
your
input.
A
All
right
well,
thank
you
all
so
much.
It
was
really
a
pleasure
to
get
to
hear
your
thoughts
on
these
important
issues
and
thank
you
at
home
for
tuning
in
to
town
meeting
TV
and
our
ongoing
coverage
of
Statewide
and
Regional
candidates
and
ballot
items,
and
so
you
can
find
this
particular
Forum
as
well
as
many
more
on
www.ch17.tv
and
don't
forget
to
vote
on
November
8th
all
right
thanks.
So
much
for
tuning
in.