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From YouTube: CHI-13 State Representative Forum - 9/19/2022
Description
Opening Statements - 1:12
Education - 7:39
Healthcare - 12:45
Criminal Justice Reform - 19:10
Ballot Issues - 23:35
Language Access - 29:50
Community Access Media - 33:40
Citizen Legislature - 37:30
Closing Statements - 41:20
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A
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to
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Alright
without
further
Ado
I
will
introduce
your
candidates
for
tonight
and
they
will
then
give
us
their
opening
statements
on
my
immediate
right.
I
have
Tiffany,
blumley
and
I
also
have
Gabrielle
in
the
middle
Gabrielle,
Stebbins
and
then
I
have
Tom,
Licata
and
I
will
invite
Tom
to
begin
with
his
opening
statement.
You
have
a
minute.
Oh.
B
Sure
so
why
I
got
involved
in
this
race
is
because
there's
kind
of
an
unspoken
elephant
in
the
room?
Yes
and
A
revolution
is
defined
as
a
kind
of
change
in
government
or
a
substantial
change
in
society
or
culture,
and
that's
what
we're
going
through
right
now,
black
lives
matter
critical
race
Theory.
These
are
all
marxists
in
origin.
The
founders
of
black
lives
matters
are
on
tape.
B
Acknowledging
that
I'm
critical
race,
Theory
I,
was
started
out
in
1989
in
a
Wisconsin
Convent
Richard,
Delgado
and
Kimberly
Crenshaw
are
two
of
the
progenitors
of
critical
race.
Syrian
Richard
Delgado
I
wrote
a
book
critical
race,
Theory,
introduction,
introduction
which
I
read,
and
he
says
that
he
quipped
how
fun
it
was
that
a
bunch
of
marxists
were
in
an
old
Convent.
B
You
know
Conjuring
of
critical
race
Theory,
so
in
my
two
opponents
here,
they're
very
much
in
line
with
both
critical
ice,
Theory
and
black
lives
matter,
and
we
have
to
have
a
really
public
conversation
about
that,
either
it's
being
taught
in
our
schools,
now
it's
being
taught
in
our
government
offices
and
it's
really
a
rejection
of
our
principles
in
both
the
Declaration
of
Independence
and
the
Constitution
as
well.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Actually
I.
Had
you
open
your
statement
without
reading
you,
what
what
the
question
would
have
been.
Please
tell
us
why
you're
running
or
your
experience
the
experience
you
bring
to
your
position
and
what
will
be
different
and
what
would
you
do
if
you
get
this
position
so
you've
answered
it
really
well
and
so.
I
will
now
invite
Gabrielle.
Thank.
C
You
thank
you,
so
it's
been
a
real
honor
to
serve
South
End
of
Burlington
for
the
last
two
years.
It's
been
a
unique
first
term
for
both
Tiff
and
I,
both
because
everyone
in
the
building
knew
that
we
needed
to
work
together
to
help
Vermont
through
this
pandemic
and
also
because
we
had
just
unprecedented
federal
dollars
coming
our
way.
C
D
Thank
you
thank
you,
and
thank
and
thanks
for
the
invitation
to
do
this
I,
so
I
jumped
in
the
race
after
never
having
never
thought
I
would
go
into
politics
because
we
were
in
the
middle
of
a
pandemic
and
all
of
a
sudden
conversation
started
to
change
and
they
they
changed.
We
we
started
to
change
the
way
we
thought
about
who's
essential
as
a
worker
right.
D
We
understood
child
care
really
as
an
economic
lever
and
not
just
as
you
know,
an
issue
for
individual
families
to
to
try
to
figure
out
and
and
I
think
we
became
way
more
aware
than
we
ever
have
of
just
how
many
people
lack
housing,
and
so
the
your
question
was
about
what
would
change
for
people
in
the
district
and
as
Gabrielle
mentioned,
we
I
think
we
passed
an
enormous
number
of
real
pieces
of
important
legislation
over
the
last
couple
of
years,
and
so,
while
in
the
state
house,
I
think
I'm
most
proud
of
having
helped,
you
know,
pass
a
pension
deal
that
nobody
thought
was
going
to
be
possible.
D
A
thousand
dollar
child
tax
care,
child
tax
credit
for
Middle
to
low-income
families
with
children.
Under
five,
we
put
92
million
dollars
into
housing
and
we
passed
two
critical
Constitutional
Amendments,
but
that's
not
all
you
do
is
sit
in
in
Montpelier.
D
So
you
know:
I've
worked
with
35
households
to
help
them
get
their
unemployment
insurance
checks
to
resolve
issues
with
the
Department
of
Labor
to
find
out
who
was
Dunning
them
for
the
fifty
dollars
because
they
weren't
identified
and
then
finally,
you
know
both
Gabrielle
and
I
have
prioritized
maintaining
consistent
relationships
with
people
in
city
council
people
on
the
school
board,
so
that
we're
aware
of
what's
happening
in
our
community.
A
C
C
But
what
you
realize
when
you
get
in
Montpelier
is
that
your
constituents
come
to
you
with
issues,
and
they
say
this
is
critical,
and
so
one
of
the
things
that
I'm
really
proud
about
is
the
fact
that
I
had
several
constituents
come
to
me
and
say
you
need
to
fix
how
we
have
not
updated,
how
we
wait,
what
it
costs
to
educate
our
children.
We
all
know
it
costs
more
to
educate
a
high
school
student.
C
If
you
need
to
have
a
chemistry
lab
or
you
need
to
be
able
to
teach
high-level,
advanced
placement,
mathematics
or
three
different
languages
compared
to
like
second
grade,
but
we
had
not
updated
those
weights
in
20
years
and
so
the
burlingtonian
rep
representatives
and
senators
and
many
many
others
across
the
street
rural
communities.
You
name
it
worked
together
to
make
sure
that
we
took
care
of
the
kids
who
had
not
yet
for
20
years,
been
getting
what
they
needed.
So
out
of
that
there
was
a
lot
of
discussion
about.
How
do
we
pay
for
this?
C
The
system
is
way
too
complex.
We
have
a
lot
of
vermonters
who
are
land
rich
and
cash
poor,
and
we
really
need
to
reassess
what
that
property
based
approach.
Is
there
is
a
bipartisan
study
group
going
on
currently
the
report's
supposed
to
come
out
soon
and
I
will
definitely
be
reading
that
and
looking
into
that
I
do
want
to
note
that
one
of
the
things
I've
heard
from
a
lot
of
neighbors
is
the
concern
about
pcbs
and
how
to
pay
for
our
high
school
standing
at
the
polls
in
August.
C
There
was
a
teacher
there
who
said
I
know
we
need
to
get
our
kids
out
of
Macy's,
but
it
is
so
expensive
to
pay
our
bills
right
now.
So
I
am
really
looking
forward
to
what
Tiff
said
working
with
our
city
council,
slurs,
working
with
our
school
board,
working
with
other
Vermont
school
systems
that
are
having
their
schools
tested
right
now
for
pcbs
and
they're,
finding
out
that
they're
going
to
have
a
problem
too,
so
we
need
to
bring
back
school
construction,
Aid
and
a
whole
lot
of
things
and
I'm
sorry
to
talk
too
much.
B
Right
now,
primarily,
the
school
funding
goes
to
teachers,
unions
and
the
administration.
It
goes
to
teachers,
and
then
it
goes
to
the
progressive
Democrat
Party
over
90
percent
of
teachers
in
the
Union's
money
goes
to
the
Democrat
Party.
It's
almost
like
a
Syndicate
right
now
and
the
children
are
in
the
families,
aren't
really
they're
last
in
line,
so
my
Funding
Solution
would
be
to
fund
through
families
and
parents
and
let
them
decide
where
their
children
what's
best
for
their
children.
B
D
You
know
I,
we
worked
in
tandem
on
this
on
this
question
of
school
funding,
as
it
relates
to
the
waiting
and
so
I.
Don't
have
much
to
add
to
what
Gabrielle
said.
I
guess
I
want
us.
Your
question
was
about
funding
right
and
I.
Think
what
I'd
just
like
to
say
is
that
I
think
our
schools
are
under
tremendous
pressures
right
now
and
and
it's
you
know,
you
look
at
the
number
of
vacancies
that
exist.
I
think
covet
has
had
a
extraordinary
impact
on
schools.
D
The
pressure
on
teachers
and
administrators
has
been
phenomenal
and
I'm
married
to
somebody
who
runs
the
school
and,
and
that
is
a
it
has
been
exhausting
for
everybody.
I
think
that
we
there
are
teachers
who
are
leaving
not
just
because
they
are
exhausted,
though,
but
because
they're
afraid
for
their
personal
State
safety.
D
Given
this
state's
gun
laws
and
so
given
what
has
happened
around
the
country
and
I
I'm
really
proud
of
the
work
we
did
to
shore
up
teacher
pensions,
because
it
is
a
promise
that
we
made,
and
it
is
something
that
everybody
could
agree
to.
Even
the
administration
reps
until
they
didn't
okay,
I'm.
A
Gonna,
have
you
hold
on
to
that
because,
later
on,
We'll
be
asking
you
a
question
about
the
gun
laws
for
right
now,
I
will
move
on
to
the
third
question
and
I
will
have
you
begin
by
its
own
health
care
and
by
answering
the
following
question.
A
We
know
about
the
increasing
cost
of
Health
Care
and
what
it's
putting
pressure
on
the
vermonters
and
the
State
wide
economy
and
I
heard
you
mention
about
covid,
and
you
know
how
it's
sharp
and
our
focus
on
inequities
and
what
you
think
is
the
next
thing
for
healthcare
to
do
as
far
as
changes
in
Vermont
and
please
be
specific.
D
Yeah
well
I'm,
not
an
expert
in
healthcare
and
but
I
have
tried
desperately
to
learn
as
much
as
I
can
about
it,
because
I
think
it's
one
of
the
most
critical
issues
that
we
face
and
it
affects
the
budget
in
all
kinds
of
ways
and-
and
the
question
is,
as
written
really
is
about,
how
do
we
reduce
the
the
burden
of
health
care
for
families
and
individuals?
D
And
so
I'll
start
with
my
premise
that
that
is
that
guaranteeing
access
to
Quality,
Health
Care
is
one
of
the
primary
responsibilities
of
government
and
we've
already
affirmed
this
in
creating
Medicare,
Medicaid
and
Dr
dinosaur,
and
so
I've
had
I've
had
struggled
to
learn.
Well,
what
can
we
affect
in
the
state
versus
what
is
really
a
federal
issue
that
we
can't
influence?
And
so
here
are
a
few
things
that
we
can
do
to
try
to
lower
costs
in
Vermont.
First,
we
can
create.
D
We
can
reduce
our
Reliance
on
traveling
nurses
and
temporary
Personnel
by
creating
the
workforce
that
we
need,
and
the
legislature
appropriated
money
to
do
just
that
and
we'll
need
to
do
more.
We
got
to
start.
We
got
to
start
to
move
away
from
paying
for
procedures
versus
so
that,
because
that
incentivizes,
the
high
cost
procedures
and
what
it
in
it
disincentivizes
Primary
Care.
You
know
Pediatric
Care,
geriatric
care,
we're
a
small
state
and
we
don't
have
to
have
four
hospitals
that
specialize
in
you
know
this
kind
of
surgery
or
or
that
kind
of
treatment.
D
So
we
need
to
incentivize
coordination
and
perhaps
even
you
know,
asking
hospitals
to
stop
doing
certain
things
and
then
finally,
we
have
to
enfor.
We
have
to
enforce
some
continuity
in
terms
of
pricing
because,
as
the
auditor
state
auditor
said,
you
know,
you
can
pay
either
forty
two
hundred
dollars
or
twenty
six
hundred
dollars
or
sixteen
hundred
dollars
for
an
MRI
depending
on
where
you
go
and
that
it
doesn't
make
any
sense
to.
C
So
building
off
of
what
Tiff
said
actually
for
the
past
five
years,
but
we've
been
really
looking
at
how
to
reform
from
what
you
were
talking
about
procedures
which
another
word
for
it
is
fee
for
service
model
to
a
value-based
model
in
which
providers
are
paid
for
for
the
health
outcome
and
I
think
we
are
seeing
real
progress
in
this
area
in
terms
of
act,
167,
which
we
passed
this
past
year
to
try
and
keep
chipping
away
at
what
the
challenges
are.
C
Unfortunately,
we're
still
just
chipping
away
at
it
and
in
terms
of
how
to
how
to
address
affordability.
One
of
the
things
that
viewers
should
definitely
know
is
that
for
some
of
you,
if,
if
you're,
let
me
look
at
my
nose
if
you're,
purchasing
through
Vermont,
Health,
Connect
or
directly
through
MVP
or
BC,
BCP
PC
or
if
you're,
uninsured
arpa,
has
subsidies
based
off
of
your
income
level
to
help
you
pay
to
help.
You
reduce
your
premiums
again.
C
Going
back
to
economic
development
is
putting
12
and
a
half
million
dollars
into
nursing
Labs
into
trying
to
really
boost
more
educational
opportunities,
so
that
we
can
see
a
lot
more
Public
Health
Providers
out
there,
as
well
as
some
changes
in
Telehealth
that
we
allowed
for,
so
that
more
people
could
get
quicker
and
solid
access
to
health
care
when
they
need
it
rather
than
waiting
waiting
waiting.
Yes,.
A
Response
and
now
I
invite
so
okay.
Thank
you.
What
was
the
question
again?
The
question
is
about
the
increasing
cost
of
Health
Care
and
what
it's,
what
the
pressure
it's
putting
on
the
vermonters
and
the
state
economy,
and
we
also
talked
about
covet
and
how
it's
sharpened
our
focus
on
inequities
in
healthcare,
and
so
what
do
you
think
is
the
next
thing
for
healthcare
to
do
what
changes
does
Vermont?
Should
they
expect
to
see
so.
B
B
A
A
Okay,
so
how
does
Chinden
County
address
crime
and
is
there
a
problem
with
policing
policing
that
needs
reform?
How
would
you
address
Community
safety,
so
those
are
three
questions.
Yeah.
B
The
problem
isn't
with
the
police:
the
problem
is
with
the
culture,
the
community
policing
was
more
or
less
doing
well,
and
then
it
was
probably
the
Advent
of
the
joy
George
Floyd,
a
murder
followed
by
black
lives
matter
and
antifa,
and
then
critical,
race,
Theory
and
the
culture
shifted,
and
so
then
they
defunded
the
police,
the
Progressive
Democrats.
These
two
young,
ladies
here,
were
behind
that
whole
movement,
and
so
now
we
have
poor
police
morale.
We
have
a
lot
less
police
prosecutors
like
the
Progressive,
Democrats,
Sarah
George
doesn't
prosecute
them
anymore.
B
Most
of
them
are,
many
of
them
are
not
funded
by
George
Soros
and
so
there's
a
whole
culture
shift
that
has
to
be
turned
around,
and
these
are
all
again
I
mentioned
revolution.
In
my
opening
statement
and
and
this
whole
movement
is
antithetical
to
a
constitutional
republic,
and
it
needs
to
be
addressed.
C
Flow
is
yours,
thank
you
and
to
viewers
I
really
encourage
you
to
look
at
our
track
record,
because
much
of
what
Tom
is
saying
is
inaccurate.
So
please
check
out
Stebbins
for
VT
check
out
our
voting
records.
Quite
a
bit
of
is
inaccurate.
I
do
want
to
say
it
was
I
was
glad
to
see
the
Vermont
criminal
justice
Council,
that
their
work
is
working
in
terms
of
decertifying,
a
Williston
Police
Officer,
who
had
quite
a
quite
clearly
quite
a
long
history
of
issues
being
rising
up.
C
I
do
want
to
say
also
that
I've
heard
from
a
lot
of
neighbors
that
Public
Safety
is
one
of
their
top
concerns
right
now
there
are
two
things
that
you
do
to
reduce
crime.
One
is
catching
the
criminal
activity
immediately,
which
you
can
only
do
if
you
have
enough
police
officers
and
two
making
sure
that
there's
a
quick
process
through
the
courts
and
our
courts
right
now
are
really
backed
up.
C
We
have
neither
of
those,
so
we
do
need
to
continue
the
work
of
the
Vermont
criminal
justice
Council,
but
we
also
very
much
need
to
support
our
Public
Safety
providers
and
enhance
the
system
with
mental
health
providers
and
address
the
substance.
Use
challenge
challenges
as
well
as
the
housing
challenges.
Thank.
D
Well,
I'll
offer
a
little
bit
different
perspective,
so
I've
been
involved
in
the
criminal
justice
system
for
about
20
years
at
both
ends,
so
Vermont
works
for
women
trained
women
to
to
go
into
the
field
of
law
enforcement,
and
we
also
offer
training
programs
for
women
who
are
in
prison,
and
so
my
perspective
on
this
is
informed
by
these
different
experiences
and
everything
that
I've
read.
D
That
is
everything
that
I've
read
suggests
that
communities
are
safer
when
there's
Economic
Opportunity,
when
people
have
access
to
Quality
Health
Care
when
there's
access
to
education
when
public
spaces
are
well
maintained.
Now,
aside
from
petty
theft
and
property
crimes,
actually
police
statistics
reflect
a
consistent
downward
Trend
in.
C
D
Number
of
violence,
incidences
and
in
terms
of
the
police
activity,
but
what's
gone
up,
are
mental
health
crises
requiring
police
attention
as
that's
doubled
since
2012
and
the
number
of
drug
overdoses,
which
has
gone
up
72
percent
over
the
last
two
years.
So
if
we
feel
unsafe,
I
think
it's
in
part,
because
the
social
safety
net
is
freeing
and
what
can
we
do?
We
can
address
those
very
issues,
particularly
mental
health
and
substance
use.
Okay,.
A
So
they're
related
okay,
thank
you
so
much
for
your
response
and
now
we
go
to
question
number
five
and
it's
on
the
ballot
issues
and
I
will
begin
with
you
Gabrielle
to
answer
this
question
and
you
will
Tom
will
follow
and
you
will
follow.
The
question
is
two
Constitutional
Amendments
constitutional
proposition,
2
and
preposition.
Five
will
be
in
front
of
the
voters.
This
November.
C
I
support
both
of
them
and
I
want
to
say
that
there
unfortunately
have
been
a
lot
of
erroneous
completely,
not
factual
statements
made
about
in
particular
proposition
five.
The
exact
word
is
that
an
individual's
right
to
personal
reproductive
autonomy
is
Central
to
the
liberty
and
dignity
to
determine
one's
own
life
course
and
shall
not
be
denied
or
infringed
unless
justified
by
a
compelling
State
interest
achieved
by
the
least
restrictive
means.
I
do
believe.
C
Each
of
us
should
be
able
to
make
our
own
reproductive
decisions
and
with
the
change
at
the
Supreme
Court,
this
has
become
even
more
important.
This
proposal
essentially
will
maintain
the
current
status
quo.
We
have
not.
Nobody
can
have
an
abortion
past
21
weeks
and
six
days.
The
process
goes
through
an
Ethics
review
and
it
only
occurs
if
there's
a
fetal
abnormality
or,
if
there's
a
maternal
risk.
So
so
much
of
what
you're
hearing
please
know
it's
inaccurate
and
with
regards
to
proposal
two,
you
know
it's
it's
a
loophole.
B
Article
22,
the
Constitutional
Amendment
personal
reproductive
autonomy.
What
does
that
mean?
It's,
it's
deceptively
vague
and
it
was
purposely
written.
As
deceptively
vague
Gabrielle
said
we
should
have.
A
B
C
B
C
B
The
the
personal
reproductive
autonomy
could
that
mean
that
you
could
have
human
cloning?
Could
you
have
a
three
DNA
child?
Let's
say
a
gay
couple:
two
men
want
to
have
a
child
okay
and
they
have
a
surrogate
mother
and
right
now
the
science
isn't
there,
and
so
one
of
the
men
will
have
the
DNA
of
that
child.
But
what,
if
it's
possible
in
the
future,
to
have
three
DNA
child?
The
DNA
from
both
of
the
men
and
the
mother,
is
that
ethical?
B
Should
the
people
debate
that
this
Constitutional
Amendment
could
supersede
democracy?
It
takes
the
decision
out
of
the
people
and
it
puts
it
into
the
courts
and
that's
why
this
very
deceptive
language
will
never
reach
the
people.
It'll
always
be
a
decision
of
the
courts
and
outside
of
democracy.
Thank.
A
D
I
think
I'll
I
mean
you
and
I
agree
on
this
issue
that
what
we're
what
we
would
be
putting
in
the
constitution
is
in
current
statute
and
the
reason
we're
putting
the
Constitution
is
that
Congress
right
now
is
debating
whether
a
bill
that
might
limit
abortion
at
you
know
15
weeks,
and
that
violates
at
least
the
principles
that
are
in
our
own
statutes.
D
I
fully
support
both
the
Constitutional
amendment
process
is
really
deliberative.
It
takes
five
years
from
the
time
you
start
to
work
on
it
to
getting
it
approved
by
two
different
legislatures
and
then
it
it
goes
to
a
public
vote
and
I
feel
that
the
people
of
Vermont
will
speak
to
this
and
I
think
they'll.
They
will
support
both
of
them.
Thank.
B
You
so
much
Stephen
I'd
like
to
respond
to
that.
Tiff
said
that
the
federal
army
banned
abortions
after
15
weeks
and
if,
if
they
actually
did,
that
the
supremacy
clause
supersedes
the
Iran
Constitution
so
that
Amendment
would
not
have
would
not
have
privacy
over
the
federal
law
number
one.
And
then
you
said
the
you
said.
The
amendment
is
already
is
already
a
bill,
and
it's
not
that
personal
reproductive
I
mean
Act
is
at
47,
allows
unregulated,
undetermined
abortion
right
up
to
nine
months.
A
Okay,
thank
you
so
much
I.
Obviously
this
is
not
something
that
we
can
solve
tonight
and
I'd
like
to
be
able
to
cover
the
questions
that
we
have
on
hand.
So
I'm,
sorry
to
just
bring
you
back
to
the
next
question,
which
is
actually
something
I'm,
very
passionate
about,
and
it's
about.
The
language
axis
and
I
will
allow
Tiffany
to
respond
first
and
then
Tom
and
then
Gabrielle
and
the
question
is
what
is
the
value
to
the
mountains
in
supporting
language
access
to
information
about
health,
local
government
and
education
issues?.
D
It
I
didn't
fully
appreciate
prior
to
the
pandemic,
how
little
the
state
has
had
invested
really
in
translation
in
providing
language
support
for
immigrants
who
don't
speak
English
as
their
first
language
and
the
role
that
the
language
Justice
project
provided
in
disseminating
information
about
covid
I
thought
I
mean
it
was
a
remarkable
and
it
happened
so
quickly
and
and
that
opened
my
eyes
as
a
campaigner,
because
I
thought,
oh
no
I
need
to
I
need
to
find
out
well
who
what
languages
are
spoken
in
our
district,
so
that
our
campaign
materials
could
reflect
that
the
City
of
Burlington
12
percent
of
residents
speak
a
language
other
than
than
English.
D
At
home,
we've
adopted
a
language
access
policy
as
a
city.
The
state
needs
to
follow
suit.
I
think
there
were
two
bills
in
one
house,
one
in
the
Senate.
They
didn't
get
a
hearing.
There
was
a
lot
going
on
last
year,
so
I
am
hopeful
that
well
I
I
plan
to
be
a
co-sponsor
of
a
bill
to
do
just
that
at
the
state
level.
Thank.
A
A
C
You
know
we
we
have
so
many
so
many
vermonters,
and
so
many
programs
welcoming
refugees
to
our
state
who
are
becoming
part
of
the
economic
fabric
of
our
state
from
migrant
Farm.
Workers
to
you
know
some
of
the
some
of
the
teachers
in
my
daughter's
school,
who
you
know
she
goes
to
school
here
in
Burlington.
C
We
can't
say
please
come,
please
be
part
of
our
community
and
then
not
be
able
to
communicate,
and
we
have
to
decide
which
way
we
want
it.
Do
we
want
a
Vermont
that
is
growing,
that
is
economically
diverse,
and
that
is
communicating
both
ways
or
do
we
just
want
to
say,
welcome,
but
then
you're
on
your
own
and
I
prefer
the
former.
B
A
D
Well,
language
access,
meaning
giving
people
who
don't
speak,
English
as
a
first
language,
access
to
vital
records
information
about
health
information
about
you
know
the
city,
government
and
filing
forms
Etc.
B
I
would
think,
firstly,
I'm
I
would
think
technology
could
solve
a
lot
of
it
right.
There's
you
could
speak
into
a
computer
now
and
ask
it
to
interpret
that
into
another
language.
So
I
think
that
technology
should
be
there
to
do
it.
A
A
B
Thank
you.
It's
it's
being
funded
right
now,
through
Cable,
cable,
Revenue,
correct
I'd
have
to
look
at
the
I
like
to
know
that
the
viewership
of
of
this
shows
like
this
and
see
how
many
people
are
actually
watching
it.
I
would
start
there
and
then,
in
conjunction
with
that,
I
would
look
at
the
budget
the
state
budget
and
see
if
prioritize
things
like
Health,
Care,
experimental,
Justice,
media
Etc
and
they
make
a
decision
from
there.
Thank
you.
C
Do
you
have
a
response?
Yeah
I
mean
having
public
opportunities
to
participate
and
listen
to.
C
Discussions
like
this
is,
is
critical
and
particularly
as
more
and
more
people
are
getting
their
news
from
channels
that
aren't
news
like
social
media,
it
becomes
even
more
important,
I
think
there's
a
real
opportunity
to
look
at.
You
know
some
of
what
we're
seeing.
We
just
had
94
million
dollars
through
Broadband
to
look
at
how
we
start
to
develop
longer
term
financial
planning.
D
D
There
was
a
Community
Access
station
in
Arizona,
where
we
grew
up
and
he
was
a
lawyer
and
he
did
this
thing
called
law
talk
and
he
would
present
issues
that
would
often
be
really
they
would.
They
would
seem
overly
complicated
to
to
people
who
aren't
lawyers
and
he
would
explain
certain
things
and
and
one
day
we
were
on
the
street
and
somebody
came
up
to
him
and
said:
hey
I
gotta.
Thank
you
for
that.
D
That
session
on
you
know
contracts,
and
you
know
there
were
a
couple
things
that
I
was
able
to
ask
the
question
and
I
I
avoided
a
big
problem
and
I
said
well.
I,
all
of
a
sudden
it
dawned
on
me,
Wow
TV
could
serve
a
public
purpose.
D
You
know
I
never
thought
about
that,
because
it
was
entertainment
to
me
and
this
this
station
and
others
like
it,
have
did
that
in
covet
it
they
stepped
up,
and
you
were
the
you-
were
our
source
of
information
and
our
way
into
government
meetings
that,
by
definition,
had
to
be
on
Zoom
and
so
I
yeah.
We
have
to
figure
out
the
business
model.
A
Okay,
thank
you
so
much
next
question
is
a
citizen
in
legislature
and
I'll
begin
with
Tom
and
then
you'll
finish
all
of
the
questions
here
in
reflex
complex
system
issues,
and
this
year
the
legislature
will
see
a
big
turnover
in
elected
officials.
B
I
think
so,
yeah
anything
I
would
shrink
the
amount
of
time
our
legislators
are
in
office.
We
don't
need
to
grow
government,
we
need
to
shrink
it
and
we
need
to
build
out
the
private
sector.
Okay
and
so
Civil
Society
is
defined
as
that
space
between
the
individual
and
government,
so
Civil
Society
comprises
all
the
volunteer
organizations,
churches,
Civic
organizations
and
that's
the
part
of
our
culture
and
society
that
we
need
to
grow
and
we
need
to
shrink
the
government.
C
Well,
so
we
definitely
definitely
need
to
maintain
all
parts
of
society.
If
it's
you
know
businesses,
if
it's
a
various
Civil
Society
non-profits
I,
do
think,
though,
at
the
core
of
government
is
that
we
are
supposed
to
have
a
three
three-part
system
of
checks
and
balances.
We
have
the
Judiciary
Branch,
we
have
the
administrative
or
the
executive
branch,
and
then
we
have
the
legislative
branch
right
now.
Vermont
is
very
off-kilter.
C
We
have
an
executive
or
administrative
branch
and
it
doesn't
matter
if
you're,
Democratic
or
republican
with
like
6
000
full-time
employees,
and
then
we
have
a
legislature.
That's
in
session
volunteer
pretty
much
I
mean
like
no
staff
January
to
mid-may,
and
you
know
this
worked
when
we
were
farmers,
and
we
all
we
had
to
do.
C
Was
milk,
our
cows
January
to
May,
and
there
were
like
eight
kids
at
home,
and
maybe
you
got
one
piece
of
mail
by
horse
like
once,
every
six
weeks
it
doesn't
work
anymore
and
which
is
why
you
heard
me
reference
all
of
these
studies
and
these
reports
I
do
think.
Challenges
are
becoming
more
and
more
complex
and
I
do
think.
We
do
need
a
full-time
citizen
legislature,
not
citizen,
well,
I
think
we
need
a
full-time
legislature
and
you
know
one
way
we
could
do
that
to
make
sure
we're
not
actually
raising
taxes.
C
Is
you
cut
it
in
half
I
really
I?
If
vermonters
want
to
continue
to
see
the
thoughtfulness
and
the
due
diligence
and
to
make
sure
that
we
actually
have
a
balance
of
power
across
the
three
government
branches,
while
also
having
for-profit
businesses
involve
non-profit
schools,
then
we
do
need
to
actually
have
folks
who
can
do
the
job
and
focus
full-time
as
a
working
mom.
It
is.
It
is
very,
very
challenging
to
do
this,
but
we
need
all
voices
and
if
we
want
diversity,
we've
got
to
re,
reassess
the
model.
Thank
you.
A
D
Well,
I
was
just
going
to
say
that
diversity
I,
mean
study
after
study
after
study
has
determined
that
diversity
in
all
groups
organizations
is
critical
to
high
functioning.
D
You
get
the
best
results
when
you
have
a
diversity
of
views
and
experiences
and
from
which
to
draw
on
and
we're
not
going
to
get
that
in
the
current
form
and
we've
had
a
couple
of
studies
come
out
making
recommendations
that
would
I
think
help
to
diversify
the
legislature
economically,
racially
and
experientially,
but
we
haven't,
we
haven't
been
able
to
do
anything
about
it,
It's
Tricky
for
legislators,
right
to
suggest
paying.
You
know,
legislators
more
or
giving
them
health,
insurance
or
yeah
fill
in
the
blank.
Okay.
A
So
we
have
come
almost
to
the
close
and
I
think
that
it
will
be
a
good
time
for
everyone
to
have
a
closing
statement
and
and
then
we
will
be
happy
to
close
the
session
tonight,
really
good
discussions.
We
had
tonight
and
let
us
begin
with
Tom
with
your
closing
statement.
Oh.
B
Basically
in
Montpelier
you
have
you
have
a
monolithic
party,
a
monolithic
ideologies,
Progressive
Democratic,
it
leans
heavily
socialist,
and
so,
if
you
want
diversity,
you
will
not
vote
for
either
of
these
two
young.
Ladies
and
you'd
vote
for
me,
I
would
Preen
a
difference.
Perspective
I
have
some
private
sector
experience.
I
have
some
social
service
experience
and
I
view
their
world
very
differently.
B
If
you
watch
this
whole
in
an
interview
debate
tonight,
I've
I
view
the
world
very
differently
than
these
two
and
so
I
would
bring
diversity
and
a
new
kind
of
thought
into
Montpelier,
because
right
now
it's
it's
really
a
monolithic
pool
and
it's
it's
not
going
to
change
until
you
stop
voting
for
the
Progressive
Democrats
and
bring
some
Common
Sense
back
into
Montpelier.
A
C
C
We
have
been
very,
very
responsible,
passing
balanced
budgets
without
raising
taxes
and
I
I,
really
encourage
you
to
check
the
facts
and
look
at
my
website
look
at
Tiff's
websites,
and
we
do
have
some
session
reports
that
you
can
take
a
look
at
that
show
you
actually
factually
what
we've
been
up
to
and
I
just
want
to
say.
I
currently
work,
you
know
for
a
for-profit
I
work
in
business,
I've
also
taught
violin
students
in
underserved
schools,
I've
done
human
rights,
research
in
South,
Africa
I've
worked
on
water
quality
I've
been
a
park
ranger.
C
All
of
this
is
bringing
diversity
and
I.
Think
I
want
to
say
one
more
thing,
which
is.
There
have
been
a
few
comments
about
socialism
being
bad
and
the
reality
is
we
have
roads.
We
have
I-89
because
we've
all
pooled
our
funds
to
work
together.
We
have
schools
because
we've
pooled
our
funds,
we
have
Medicare,
we
have
social
security
because
we've
pooled
our
funds.
So,
let's
remember
really,
when
we
work
together,
we
do
best.
Okay,.
A
D
It
it
it's
been
a
real
privilege
to
better
understand
how
things
work
in
Montpelier.
There
is.
We
have
robust
arguments
in
our
committees
and
on
the
floor
all
the
time,
and
there
is
a
diversity
of
opinions
in
Montpelier
and
I.
Certainly
don't
see
our
the
Democratic
party
as
being
monolithic.
D
There
is
there
are
times
when
we
need
to
come
together.
The.
D
100,
this
is
my
turn
yeah
thanks
anyway,
I
I
I
hope
that
you'll
give
me
another
two
years
and
and
and
we'll
keep
in
touch.
As
you
have
been
well.
A
Thank
you
so
much
for
tuning
in.
Thank
you
all
for
coming
in
tonight.
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