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From YouTube: US Congress Forum Part 2 - September 22, 2022
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Moderator: Helen Morgan Parmett
Candidates: Ericka Redic (L), Liam Madden (R)n the doors to local government using community media. www.Ch17.TV
00:01:28 Opening Statements
00:04:37 Top 3 Priorities
00:08:50 Constitutional Rights
00:13:11 Health Care
00:16:49 Criminal Justice Reform
00:20:52 Foreign Policy
00:24:46 Future of Democracy
00:29:02 Closing Statements
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A
A
Just
so
you
know,
host
forums
with
all
candidates,
everybody's
invited
and
covers
all
ballot
items
that
you'll
see
on
your
November
ballot,
so
town,
meeting,
TV
election
forums,
introduce
you
to
community
decision
makers
and
connect
you
with
the
issues
that
shape
your
local
community
and
indeed
your
everyday
day
life.
So,
if
you're
watching
this
live,
we
welcome
your
questions
and
you
can
call
us
here
in
the
studio
at
802-862-3966.
So
again,
that's
802-862-3966.
A
So
please
do
call
in
with
any
questions
that
you
have
and
you
can
watch
town
meeting
TV
on
Comcast
channel,
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Burlington,
Telecom,
Channel,
17
and
217
as
well
as
online
at
youtube.com
backslashtownmeetingtv,
all
right.
So
we're
going
to
get
started
tonight
with
the
candidates
opening
statement
so
I'll
give
them
a
chance
to
introduce
themselves
and
as
well
as
provide
an
opening
statement.
So
let's
go
ahead
and
get
started
with
Erica.
B
C
Political
system
does
not
represent
us
or
solve
our
problems.
Well,
it
is
controlled
by
the
ultra
rich
and
it
is
driving
us
apart
A
system
that
gives
us
a
choice
between
Joe,
Biden
and
Donald.
Trump
is
a
system
that
is
not
fulfilling
our
potential
I
believe
with
the
right
priorities,
Technologies
and
the
right
changes
to
our
political
process.
We
can
build
the
more
thriving,
just
sustainable
and
beautiful
world
that
our
hearts
know
is
possible,
and
that
is
what
I'll
help
us
do.
As
Vermont's
representative
in
Congress.
A
C
I
think
that's
a
matter
of
changing
National
priorities
to
focusing
on
Education,
Health,
housing
and
infrastructure,
among
that
related
to
where
I'm
going
next.
The
top
other
priority
is
energy
in
the
environment,
which
are
obviously
deeply
related
things
like
know
and
Care
a
bit
about
as
a
noble
energy,
professional
and
I
think
we
need
a
world
that
treats
our
natural
environments
as
a
sacred
the
responsibility
and
a
part
of
who
we
are,
and
that's
I,
think
best
served
by
a
committee
appointed
appointment
on
the
Energy
and
Commerce
Committee
to
I'll
share
a
fact.
C
We
have
an
economy
that
depends
on
energy,
as
all
economies
do
and
if
we
were
to
grow
it
at
three
percent
a
year.
We
would
be
using
the
same
amount
of
energy
in
the
next
30
years,
as
we
have
in
the
last
ten
thousand
and
that's
impossible,
and
if
we're
not
prepared
for
a
transition
to
new
kinds
of
energy,
because
we
only
have
40
Years
of
oil
and
gas
left
and
and
Renewables
would
take
up
to
72
percent
of
our
land
according
to
Harvard
Professor,
David,
Keith.
C
B
My
top
three
priorities
are
restoring
accountability,
transparency
and
integrity
to
Washington.
So
that's
why
I
support
bills
or
I
will
submit
my
first
year
bills
for
term
limits
for
single
issue
bills.
So
no
more
of
these
10
000
page
Omnibus
spending
packages
where
nobody
reads
it.
Nobody
has
any
idea.
What's
in
it,
nope
every
bill
should
have
just
one
topic
and
one
appropriation,
and
so
on
that
I'll
say
the
Committees
I
want
to
get
be
assigned
to
would
be
anything
to
do
with
Appropriations
and
budgeting
as
an
accountant
by
trade.
I.
B
Think
that's
one
of
the
biggest
things
that's
missing
from
Washington
in
is.
Is
these
folks
don't
really
seem
to
understand
how
to
balance
budgets
we're
running
a
deficit
in
our
budget?
So
basically
we
take
in
trillions
of
dollars
less
than
we
need
for
the
budget,
that's
being
passed
by
our
elected
officials,
they're
literally
spending
your
great
grandchildren's,
future
earnings
and
I
can't
tell
you
how
irresponsible
I
think
that
is
one
area
in
particular
I
would
love
to
to
be
assigned
to
would
be
military.
A
To
another
question
that
I
know
is
on
the
Forefront
of
a
lot
of
folks
Minds
today
and
that's
one
of
constitutional
rights.
So,
given
that
the
Supreme
Court
has
recently
overturned
what
was
thought
to
be
settled
law
so,
in
other
words,
a
question
of
Reproductive
Rights
and
the
Dobbs
decision
are
you
concerned
about
other
rights
that
might
be
taken
for
granted
kind
of
coming
under
threat
also,
and
what
role
should
Congress
play,
if
any
at
all,
in
protecting
these
rights
so
Erica?
How
about
we
get
started
with
you?.
B
The
bench
and
I
think
that
it's
a
really
good
opportunity
to
remind
our
our
elected
officials
that
we
send
them
to
Washington
to
to
pass
bills
and
to
make
law
on
our
behalf,
and
if
they
think
that
you
know
abortion,
whether
it's
abortion,
gay
marriage
or
any
of
these
other
things
are
so
important
that
they
that
they
we
make
sure
we
protect
them.
The
way
to
do
that
is
to
pass
it
through
legislation,
not
legislating
from
the
bench
where
it
can
just
be
overturned
with
future
precedent
and
other
court
cases.
A
C
Well,
on
the
issue
of
the
Supreme
Court's
overturning
Roe,
v,
Wade
I
would
be
concerned
that
other
settled
law
could
be
overturned
by
the
Supreme
Court.
Given
that
at
least
three
of
the
justices,
if
not
four,
that
voted
to
overturn
Roe
v
Wade
said
that
it
was
settled
law
and
that
they
would
not
do
that,
so
that
that's
to
me,
perjury,
they
perjured
themselves
in
their
oath
to
and
their
their
Committee
hearing,
sir
and
so
yeah.
C
Wade
I
think
constitutional
rights
are
extremely
important
and
none
more
important
to
me
than
free
speech,
and
that
has
come
under
scrutiny
by
how
the
big
tech
companies
have
colluded
with
the
government
to
basically
the
the
Arbiters
of
what
is
truth
and
what
is
not.
And
so
that
is
where
my
largest
concern
is
at
the
moment
in
terms
of
constitutional
rights.
A
A
802-862-3966-802-862-3966
all
right,
so,
let's
move
to
the
next
question.
While
we
wait
for
hopefully
some
callers
to
call
in
as
well
the
question
about
health
care,
which
I
know
a
lot
of
vermonters
are
really
concerned
about
and
because
health
care
costs
are
nearly
20
of
the
US
gross
domestic
product
and
there
seems
to
be
no
end
to
these
cost
increases.
So
what
does
Congress
need
to
do
to
curb
these
costs
and
also
assure
us
that
we
continue
to
have
or
that
we
have
Quality
Health
Care
Liam?
Let's
let
you
start
this
one.
C
The
people
are
right
to
be
concerned
about
cost
of
Health
Care
going
up.
Not
only
are
the
costs
going
up,
but
in
my
lifetime
costs
have
doubled
or
perhaps
tripled,
and
we
have
worse
care.
We
have
epidemics
of
autism
and
obesity
and
chronic
chronic
diseases
of
every
kind
allergies,
asthma.
Everything
is
going
up,
that
is,
a
reflection
of
the
health
of
the
population
and
Americans
pay
twice
what
Europeans
pay.
So
what
can
we
do?
I
think
it
depends
on
how
large
we
set
our
sites.
C
There's
the
more
practical
things
like
trying
to
work
to
pass
the
prescription
drug
price
Relief
act,
so
Americans
don't
pay
twice
as
much
as
other
countries
like
Canada.
If
we
were
to
be
bolder
and
have
a
more
robust
holistic,
Vision
I
think
we
could
think
universal
healthcare
seems
to
work
for
all
these
European
countries
and
it
doesn't
bankrupt
them
as
the
right
here
in
the
United.
States
is
constantly
saying:
Universal
care
would
destroy
our
economy,
I,
don't
think
so.
C
B
B
But
what
I
do
know
is
that
one
of
the
attributes
of
government-run
Health
Care
is
that
they
it
attempts
to
be
everything
to
everyone
and,
and
it
just
can't
all
that
happens.
Is
we
see
this
massive
increase
in
costs
and
and
and
worse
results,
and
so
I
think
that
we
really
need
to
have
a
serious
conversation
about
the
role
of
health
insurance
when
it's
not
really
insurance
anymore?
B
It
is
a
third
party
administrator
for
health
care
and
it's
one
of
the
reasons
why,
as
an
example,
my
doctor
is
actually
moving
to
an
all
subscription-based
program
because
he
can
no
longer
treat
and
care
for
all
of
the
patients
that
the
insurance
companies
require
him
to
see.
And
so
we
just
we
need
to
have
a
real
conversation
about
what's
feasible
and
what's
reasonable.
A
B
Think
this
idea,
and
and
what
we've
seen
is
that
we've
had
a
massive
increase
in
deaths
of
Despair
overdoses,
suicides
and
gun
violence,
because
people
are
now
desperate
and
Afraid
and
they're
even
more
stuck
and
entrenched
in
what
they're
suffering
with,
and
so
this
idea
that
a
government
created
problem
should
then
have
a
government-created
solution
is
unreasonable.
What
we
need
are
communities
that
care
about
communities.
We
need
organizations
like
Catalyst
Collective
across
the
country
to
be
helping
young
people
find
their
purpose.
We
need
everyone
to
take
responsibility
for
their
neighborhoods
and
for
their
families.
A
C
Yeah,
it
is
such
a
deeply
interconnected
issue
with
so
many
things.
I
I
would
say:
I
agree
with
Erica
that
mental
health
and
the
degradation
of
our
communities
is
a
part
of
of
why
we're
seeing
this
because
there's
been
access
to
guns
for
decades
and
it's
only
as
our
economy
has
begun
to
dramatically
shift
with
globalization
and
automization
and
monopolization
that
we've
started
to
see
this.
This
breakdown,
where
a
person
like
an
Adam
Lanza
or
a
Dylan
clybold,
can
fly
under
the
radar
of
their
communities
until
it
erupts
into
a
tragedy.
C
That
is
the
primary
value
of
the
Second
Amendment
to
me,
because
I've
been
a
Marine
who
has
seen
firsthand
people
lie
to
put
our
country
to
war,
destroying
the
lives
of
hundreds
of
thousands
of
people
and
I
think
it
would
be
naive
to
think
that
those
kinds
of
psychopaths
hold
that
much
respect
for
domestic
civilians,
and
that
can
only
happen
to
foreign
civilians.
I
believe,
on
the
other
hand,
the
right
does
underappreciate
that
the
Second
Amendment
clearly
connects
the
right
to
bear
arms
with
being
part
of
something
that
is
well
regulated.
C
So
I
think
there
is
a
middle
ground
that
honors
the
values
of
both
sides,
but
also
illuminates
their
blind
spots,
and
if
we're
talking
about
standard
policies,
I
would
support
background
checks
and
red
flag
laws
as
long
as
due
process
very
promptly.
I.
Just
don't
think
that
those
things
can
do
that
much
without
also
looking
at
how
our
culture
glorifies
violence
and
the
isolation
and
over-medicalization
of
a
lot
of
individuals.
A
All
right,
thanks
for
that
thoughtful
response,
so
just
a
reminder
for
those
of
you
watching
at
home
again
call
in
802-862-3966
with
your
questions
for
the
candidates
and
while
we're
waiting
for
your
calls,
let's
turn
to
foreign
policy.
So
is
there
a
limit
to
U.S
involvement
in
the
Ukraine
war
with
Russia?
And
if
so,
what
is
that
limit?
Liam?
You
want
to
take
a
stab
at
that
one.
C
This
is
a
situation
that
can
escalate
wildly
out
of
control
very
rapidly
by
either
nuclear
weapons
being
the
result
of
U.S
involvement,
shooting
down
Russian
planes
over
arming
over
supporting
the
Ukrainian
military
or
just
a
long,
protracted
War
both
are
total
nightmares
that
need
to
be
avoided,
and
the
only
way
to
do
that
is
to
put
all
of
our
efforts
towards
towards
negotiations,
and
that
means
not
just
arming
the
ukrainians
as
a
given,
but
maybe
only
arming
ukrainians.
If
the
Republicans
are
sorry,
the
Russians
refuse
to
negotiate
and
I
think.
C
We
also
can't
have
this
conversation
about
what's
happening
in
Ukraine,
without
acknowledging
that
the
US
played
a
bear.
Some
responsibility
for
the
support
of
the
coup
in
Ukraine
for
decades
of
foreign
foreign
policy
that
drove
NATO
to
Russia's
border,
which
everyone
who
knows
about
foreign
policy
in
Eastern
Europe
knows
that
was
a
red
line
not
to
be
crossed,
and
that's
why
George
H.W
bush
promised
Mikhail
Gorbachev
that
they
would
not
expand
NATO
to
the
east.
A
B
B
We
we
cannot
ask
to
send
our
boys
and
girls
to
defend
another
country
when
we
don't
even
fully
understand
the
consequences
of
that
decision.
The
United
States
has
spent
years
and
years
and
years
operating
these
regime
change,
Wars,
trying
to
control
and
manipulate
and
to
pick
winners
and
losers.
Oh,
my
gosh
I
sound
like
a
broken
record.
Whenever
our
federal
government
picks
winners
and
losers,
we
often
have
bigger
consequences
to
pay
later
and
I.
Think
that
we
should
be
very
careful
about
that.
B
I
think
that
with
China
you
know
our
our
f-35s
were
over
in
Europe
ready
to
go.
We've
got
our
our
our
Navy,
headed
to
this
to
the
Sea
around
Taiwan
because
of
China's
aggressions.
What
we
see
right
now
is
a
major
move
of
our
of
our
enemies
for
lack
of
a
better
word
toward
our
allies,
some
of
whom
our
allies
and
some
of
whom
are
not,
but
we
cannot
save
everyone
and
the
United
States
does
not
have
an
endless
pot
of
gold
to
pay
for
all
of
these
wars.
A
All
right,
thanks
for
those
thoughts,
I
question
which,
at
the
earlier
Forum
that
we
had
with
the
candidates,
seemed
to
be
the
sort
of
most
contested
question
that
I
asked
during
that
Forum.
So
it's
about
the
future
of
democracy,
so
I'm
interested
to
know
what
what
did
the
two
of
you
think
about
the
future
of
democracy?
Do
you
share
the
concern
that
our
democracy
is
in
Jeopardy
and
if
so,
what
measures
do
you
recommend
be
taken
in
Vermont
Erica?
Let's
get
started
with
you,
I.
B
I
am
worried
about
the
future
of
our
representative
Republic
because
we
don't
live
in
a
democracy.
We
live
in
a
representative,
Republic
and
I
am
concerned
about
it,
because
the
Democrats
in
power
are
pledging
to
destroy
all
of
our
institutions
as
much
as
they
want
to
say
that
it's
Republicans
doing
it
Republicans
aren't
the
one
saying
we
need
to
pack
the
court
get
rid
of
the
filibuster,
add
States,
you
know
Etc
and
so
forth.
B
They're
saying
that
to
protect
our
democracy,
we
need
to
destroy
all
of
the
institutions:
I'm,
not
okay,
with
that
I'm,
not
okay
with
packing
the
court
I'm,
not
okay,
with
getting
rid
of
the
filibuster
which,
by
the
way,
the
Democrats
use
far
more
often
than
anybody
else,
and
so
so.
This
idea
that
there
is
a
threat.
When
again
the
Democrats
are
trying
to
federalize
our
elections.
B
They
are
saying
we're
going
to
federalize
and
nationalize
this
that
and
the
other
thing
they're
trying
to
take
states
rights
away.
I
am
deeply
concerned
about
it
and
that's
why
my
greatest
goal
is
to
help
get
moderates
right
of
Center
Care
I'm,
a
Libertarian
moderates
Libertarians
Republicans.
We
need
to
get
as
many
right
of
Center
candidates
elected
to
office
as
possible.
C
Am
I
concerned
about
the
future
of
democracy,
the
name
of
my
campaign,
the
title
of
my
website
is
rebirthdemocracy.com.
It's
not
Liam
Madden
for
Congress.
That
is,
that
is
the
central
concern,
because
I
don't
think
we
can
solve
any
of
our
problems
without
a
healthy
democracy
and
we
do
live
in
a
democracy.
A
democracy
means
rule
by
the
people,
and
a
republic
is
a
branch
of
that
tree.
The
roots
are
self-government.
C
So
when
I
hear
a
republican
say
we
don't
live
in
a
democracy.
We
live
in
a
republic.
That's
like
someone
saying
I'm,
not
eating
a
fruit.
I'm
eating
a
banana,
but
anyway,
yes,
I'm,
concerned
about
democracy.
Princeton
University
did
a
2015
study
finding
that
there
is
a
zero
percent
correlation
between
the
majority
of
the
population
likes
policy
and
whether
or
not
the
Congress
passes
it
zero
percent.
That
is
a
atrocious
record.
We
have
Joe
Biden
and
Donald
Trump,
being
the
two
contestants
were
the
most
powerful
man
in
the
world.
C
That
is
not
the
sign
of
a
healthy
democracy.
We
have
when
I
politically
awakened.
As
a
teenager,
George
Bush
was
handed
the
presidency
by
a
Supreme
Court
that
didn't
bother
to
count
the
votes
in
Florida
we've.
We've
have
a
long-standing
problem
with
democracy
and
it's
rooted
ultimately
in
oligarchy
and
aristocracy,
and
we
need
things
like
term
limits.
I
agree
with
Erica
there.
A
Okay,
thanks
for
that-
and
she
has
some
some
similarities,
but
some
differences
there
as
well,
so
we're
just
about
out
of
time.
So
I
think
that
we've
got
we've
given
the
voters
a
lot
to
think
about,
and
I'm
gonna
give
each
of
you
an
opportunity
to
talk
for
about
you,
know
30
seconds
or
so
to
give
a
closing
statement
and
just
kind
of
leave
the
voters
with
what
you
want
them.
What
you
want
them
to
hear
as
they
go
into
voting
and
we'll
start
with
Liam,
hey.
C
C
My
life
experience
shows
that,
when
a
sacred
value
must
be
upheld,
that
I
am
willing
to
sacrifice
my
own
self-interest
and
the
only
way
we
can
trust
that
a
leader
will
have
the
courage
to
do
what
is
right
in
the
face
of
whatever
the
current
bandwagon
is,
is
if
they
have
demonstrated
that
living
in
truth
and
upholding
our
ideals
is
more
important
to
them
than
even
their
life.
I
have
demonstrated
this
and
I
will
continue
to
as
Vermont's
representative
in
Congress.
C
B
Excellent
I
appreciate
that
first,
please,
everyone
go
to
reddickforcongress.com
r-e-d-I-c
for
congress.com
and
check
out
my
podcast
generally
irritable.
We've
got
tons
of
videos
talking
about
all
of
these
topics.
You'll
get
a
great
idea
about
me
and
and
where
I
stand
and
how
I
will
represent
Vermont,
as
as
your
next
congresswoman
I
will
say
that
I
am
the
candidate
that
is
the
most
differentiated
from
all
of
the
others.
I'm
I'm
not
spout
I'm,
not
touting
Bernie,
Sanders
I'm,
not
saying
Patrick
Leahy
is,
is
great.
I
am
the
one
candidate.
B
I
am
a
third
party
candidate,
libertarian
the
the
third
largest
party
in
in
the
nation
and
our
whole
goal
and
focus
is
Liberty.
It's
making
sure
that
you
have
the
government
enough
out
of
the
way
so
that
you
can
live
and
Thrive
and
I
believe
that
Vermont
are
in
the
best
position
to
make
decisions
for
themselves
and
for
their
families,
not
the
government.
A
From
and
get
you
the
two
of
you
to
be
part
of
this
conversation,
so
thanks
for
sticking
around
and
dealing
with
our
technical
difficulties
earlier,
and
thank
you
to
those
of
you
at
home
who
have
joined
us.
Unfortunately,
we
didn't
have
any
callers
tonight,
but
you
know
I'm
sure
that
the
candidates
would
love
to
hear
from
you
and
the
questions
that
you
remaining
questions
that
you
have.
So
thank
you
so
much
for
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and
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Regional
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