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From YouTube: Celebrate Life: Interview with Rich Feeley
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From Gary De Carolis:
Five words: Dedicated, driven, loyal, compassionate, and sober
Rich Feeley
Born: 3/24/44, Newark, NJ
Graduate: St. Michael’s College 1967 (BA)
Married: Theresa Gouvin 9/9/67
Two children: Brad and Seth
Two granddaughters: Mollie and Summer
Disability: I’m an above the knee leg amputee. Lost my leg as a result of a horrific injury in a rugby match in 1970 playing for UVM Rugby Club.
Athletics: I was very active as a kid in all sports. I’ve also been involved as a disabled athlete in competitive downhill skiing, wheelchair racing and golf. Still play golf regularly.
Democrat
Recovering alcoholic. Sober since 1983.
Currently reside in Colchester, Vermont and Ocala, Florida with my wife Terri of 55 years.
7/15/2022
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A
Welcome
to
another
show
of
celebrate
life.
My
name
is
gary
de
carlos
and
I'm
your
host.
This
show
is
really
all
about
telling
having
vermonters
tell
their
amazing
stories
of
their
life
a
chance
to
share
with
the
audience
all
the
different
things
that
happen
in
in
a
person's
life.
Consider
it
kind
of
a
live
obituary.
A
You
know
I've
read
many
of
those
over
the
years
and
I
always
left
I
always
leave
saying
gosh.
I
wish
I
got
to
know
that
person
well.
This
show
is
about
getting
to
know
that
person
when
they're
alive
and
vital
and
still
part
of
our
community,
and
so
I'm
of
the
firm
belief
that
everyone
has
a
story
to
tell,
and
this
is
a
show
that
will
help
tell
those
stories
to
to
everyone
if
you're
interested
in
being
a
part
of
this
show,
please
send
me
an
email
mail
at
celebratelife0747.
A
A
And
just
for
the
audience
to
say
we're
both
jersey,
boys
originally
and
right.
We've
come
to
love
and
enjoy
this
great
state
of
vermont
and
wouldn't
leave
it
for
the
world.
So
so
rich
tell
us
here's
the
life
story,
but
you
know
maybe
start
when
you
were
back
in
jersey
as
a
little
kid-
and
I
know
you
were
in
south
orange,
you
found
that
mistake
or
east
orange.
C
B
1944
and
was
raised
in
the
what
was
referred
to
as
the
oranges.
I
was
I
actually
my
family
actually
lived
in
south
orange
and
then
orange
west
orange
and
then
back
to
south
orange
all
within
almost
a
couple
blocks
of
each
one
of
our
residences.
I
grew
up
in
a
I
would
say:
kind
of
a
middle-income
irish
catholic
family.
B
B
When
I
got
into,
I
think
I
was
going
into
high
school.
I
went
to
we
moved
us
back
to
south
orange
and
most
of
my
when
I
was
a
kid
most
of
my
memories
of
my
earlier
life
revolved
around
kind
of
the
neighborhood
and
the
kids
in
the
neighborhood
and
and
mainly
sports
was
a
big
part
of
athletics
hanging
out
at
the
local
school
yard.
B
Playing
all
kinds
of
games
like
stickball,
softball,
football,
basketball
and-
and
I
was
as
I
am
today
and
as
you
are,
I
was
a
big
yankee
fan
growing
up.
I
grew
up
in
the
kind
of
in
the
late
40s
and
into
the
50s.
So
when
I
was
a
little
kid,
joe
dimaggio
was
still
playing
and
my
father
had
season
tickets
at
yankee
stadium.
So,
oh
boy,
I
used
to
go
to
a
lot
of
yankee
games
both
with
my
father
and
also
with
just
some
of
the
kids
in
the
neighborhood.
B
Like
that,
you
know
I,
my
earlier
memories
with
with
my
family
mainly
were
with
my
mother's,
my
mother's
siblings
and
my
mom's
family
rather
than
my
father's
family.
I
my
mother's
family
was
a
you
know,
very
big,
nine,
ten,
ten,
eleven
kids,
irish
catholic,
my
father.
My
grandfather
was
in
the
real
estate
business,
like
I
wound
up
and
actually
later
in
his
life.
He
wound
up
with
an
artificial
leg,
no
way
hey,
yes,
and
he
had
a.
B
So
that's
an
amazing.
I
spent
most
of
my
life
as
an
amputee,
so
it's
kind
of
ironic
that
very
ironic,
my
father.
This
happened
to
my
grandfather.
You
know
later
in
his
life.
My
father's
family
was
pretty
well
iraq
with
alcoholism
and
my
grandfather,
my
grandfather
had
been
a
pretty
successful
businessman
in
new
york
city
and
wound
up.
You
know,
alcoholism
took
him
to
a
really
dark
place.
He
left
his
family
and
wound
up
on
the
bowery
and.
C
B
B
So
it
was
like
kind
of
a
you
know.
I
don't
know
you
look
back
on
your
life.
It
was
interesting
in
some
respects.
You
know
it
was
kind
of
on
my
my
mom's
side.
It
was
kind
of
a
fun
environment
with
a
lot
of
cousins
and
hanging
out
with
them,
and
I
was
the
oldest
boy
cousin.
I
think
I
think
my
my
mom's
siblings
they
had
like.
B
B
B
There
was
a
lot
of
it
was
just
we
were
kind
of
referred
to
as
a
thirsty
lot
and
a
lot
of
drinking
and
culture
of
my
family
was
an
awful
lot
of
seemed
like
there
was
always
a
cocktail
party
going
somewhere
going
on
somewhere
somebody's
house,
and
so
it
was
when
I
was
growing
up
most
of
if
I
had
any
achievements
that
I
made
me
feel
good,
they
were
usually
they
were
usually
sports,
related
yeah.
I
think
looking
back
on
what
I
was
like
in
school.
B
I
don't
know
that
I
was
adhd,
but
I
I
had
a
lot
of
trouble
concentrating.
I
think
I
was
kind
of
anxious
as
a
kid
some
of
it
revolving
around.
You
know
what
was
going
on
in
my
own
household
sure,
and
so
I
think
you
know
escaping
into
the
world
of
athletics
and
and
the
neighborhood
kids
I
used
to
hang
around
with,
and
you
know
I
like
a
lot
of
little
kids,
I
mean
baseball
was
a
real
big
deal
for
me.
B
B
I
don't
know
what
you'd
call
him.
He
was
a
character
anyway.
His
name
was
happy
felton
he's
dressed
in
a
dodger
uniform.
He
was
probably
you
know,
six
foot
300,
and
so
he
he
was
kind
of
a
comedian
of
sorts
and
and
a
player
would
come
out
and
meet
the
kids
and
and
put
these
kids
through
their
these
baseball
drills,
and
they
would
pick
the
best
player
as
a
winner
and
then,
and
so
I
went
on
it
was
august
of
1956.
B
B
Oh
my
goodness,
and
so
every
all
the
kids
got
a
glove
and
a
bat
and
a
little
savings
account
and
then
the
guy
who
the
kid
who
won-
and
you
were
there
with
your
your
little
league,
coach
and
and
the
next
day
you
would
go
on
the
same
show
the
winner
would
and
get
a
chance
to
ask
whatever
player.
They
wanted
a
bunch
of
questions.
B
Oh
my
god,
and
so
I
was
a
yankee
fan.
I
I
remember
kind
of
like
the
most
probably
off
the
air.
I
asked
happy
father.
If
I
could
ask
if
I
could
see
phil
rizzuto,
who
was
a
yankee,
you
know,
and
he
kind
of
like
made
some
kind
of
comment
about.
I
was
a
little
wise
guy
or
something
and
then
so
I
picked
pee-wee
reese.
I
went
on
the
show.
I
talked
to
pbs,
where
you
just
asked
them
a
bunch
of
questions
on
the
air
and
then,
after
that,
towards
the
end
of
the
show.
B
Well,
have
you
felt
walked
me
down
to
the
dodger
dugout
and
on
the
air
and,
and
I
got
into
the
dugout
and
met
all
the
dodgers
and
with
this
wall
I
had
that.
I
said
you
know
best
shortstop
tonight
august
something
rather
1956
and
I
met
you
know
all
the
dodgers
that
were
in
the
dugout,
which
included
most
of
the
dodgers,
and
I
got
their
autographs.
You
know
like
gil
hodges,
pee-wee
reese,
jackie
robinson,
duke
schneider.
Oh,
my
goodness,
sandy
koufax
don
drivel
got
a
chance.
B
B
B
C
B
A
B
B
B
B
Out
there
yep,
it
was
461
feet
to
dead
center
field,
then,
and
he
hit
it
like.
It
was
at
least
500
and
some
odd
feet,
and
I
bet
it
seemed
like
it
took
like
two
seconds
to
get
there.
This
is
a
lot,
it
was
a
line,
drive
and
the
whole
place
went
dead
silent.
It
was
just
unbelievable.
You
know
wow
wow.
I
also
I
also
liked
ted
williams,
even
though
he
was
not
a
yankee,
but
I
could
recognize
what
an
incredible
hitter
he
was.
B
C
B
B
B
C
B
A
B
Like
in
grammar
school,
I
went
to
a
catholic
grammar
school,
we
had
a
you,
know,
nuns
and
anybody
who's
been
through.
That
experience,
it's
sort
of
an
interesting
thing.
You
know
it's,
they
got
like
anything
else
in
life
they
got
nuns
that
were
really
good
at
what
they
did
as
long
as
they
weren't
so
good
at
what
they
did.
Yeah-
and
I
was
you
know,
I
don't
think
I
you
know
the
attention
that
I
got
at
home
never
seemed.
It
never
seemed
all
that
positive.
B
So
I
didn't
get
a
lot
of.
I
didn't.
You
know,
I
think,
beyond
everything
else,
I've
always
been
sort
of
somewhat
self-absorbed.
So
I
was
probably
I
probably
needed
more
attention
or
thought
I
did
than
I
might
have
really
needed
and
so
acting
out
like
in
school,
you
know
being
the
class
clown
that
kind
of
stuff.
I
think
I
played
that
role
and
you.
B
A
B
B
C
B
And
60s,
and
but
I
think
I
you
know,
I
look
at
what
kids
go
through
today
and
it
seems
like
everybody's
got
a
psychologist
or
a
doctor,
giving
them
ritalin
or
right
paying
attention,
and
I
don't
think
you
know
I
I'm
not
you're
pro,
I
think
a
bit
younger
than
me,
but
maybe
not
by
a
lot
and
when
we
were
growing
up.
I
don't
think
there
was
like
that
kind
of
thing
wasn't
happening.
You
know.
C
B
C
B
A
B
B
I
mean
everybody,
I
kind
of
went
to
a
catholic
school
was
sort
of
like
the
courage.
You
know,
and
I
grew
up
in
a
community
that
was
probably
half
catholic
and
half
jewish.
It
was
an
interesting
community.
It
was
like
irish,
italian,
a
few
african
americans
and
a
lot
of
jewish
people,
so
it
was
a
diverse
community
from
a
religious
standpoint.
This
is
south
orange
new
jersey
and
right
right.
A
lot
of
respects.
B
C
B
B
You
know
I
started
drinking
when
I
was
in
high
school
and
you
know
I
eventually
was
asked
to
leave
seton
hall
prep
because
of
my
combination
of
my
behavior
and
academics,
but
the
academics
was
really
because
I
just
I
wasn't
showing
up
for
class.
You
know
I
was
taking
the
test
that
kind
of
stuff
and
yeah
things
weren't
good
at
home,
and-
and
I
remember
my
after
my
sophomore
year-
I
wanted
to
leave
and
the
baseball
coach
wanted
me
to
stay.
B
A
B
C
B
Never
really
got
never
really
kind
of
figured
out
the
whole
education
part
of
it.
You
know
why
am
I
here?
What
am
I
supposed
to
be
doing?
You
know
right
right,
so
I
acted
out
you
know,
and,
and
so
I
wound
up
in
public
school
and
the
public
school
I
went
to
was
a
big
school
and
a
lot
of
kids
that
I
kind
of
grew
up
with,
maybe
from
the
other
side
of
the
tracks.
B
You
know
those
guys
and
my
behavior
really
got
really
bad
and
my
drinking
really
took
off
and-
and
I
was
in
trouble
all
the
time
both
in
this
not
so
much
in
school,
a
little
bit
in
school
but
outside
in
the
community.
With
the
you
know,
the
local,
like
juvenile
officers
and
people
like
that,
you
know
right,
right,
yeah,
it
all
related
to
alcohol.
You
know
too
drinking
too
much
just
over
way
over
the
top.
I
never
really.
B
B
B
A
B
C
B
B
B
These
gut
courses-
you
know
I
was
taking
these
courses.
All
the
kids
in
my
class
were
all
kids
who
weren't
going
to
college
right.
I
already
taken
all
the
courses
you
needed
to
take
to
go
to
college
gotcha
and
then
I
took
the
college
boards
and
I
did
okay.
You
know
I
mean
I
didn't
set
the
world.
I
was
above
average,
but
not.
B
B
I
applied
to
like
stonehill
college
bryant
college
and
providence
and
nichols
nichols
college
in
dudley
massachusetts,
and
I
never
forget
my
visit
to
nichols
because
I
was
there
with
my
parents
and
I
never
visited
st
mike's
before
I
went
there.
But
I
I
went
to
nickels
and
I
remember
walking
around
the
campus
and
there
was
a
big
sign
hanging
out
off
a
balcony
at
one
of
the
dorms.
That
said,
like
28
kegs
tonight,.
B
My
father
said
well,
I
guess
I
know
where
you
want
to
go
to
school,
but
I
didn't
go
there.
I
guess
I
thought
better
of
it
and
I
I
wound
up
coming
to
st
much
I'd,
never
never
seen
the
school.
I
heard
it
was
a
pretty
good
school.
There
was
a
lot
of.
There
was
a
lot
of
guys
from
jersey
there.
I
I
still
said
this:
they
don't
know
why.
I
have
picked
an
all-men's
school
yeah.
A
B
B
B
C
B
He
was
a
character,
so
he
said,
let's
go
into
burlington,
so
we
started
walking
down
the
hill
from
st
mike's
and
came
over
the
hill
and
we
thought
we
were
going
into
burlington,
but
we
were
heading
into
winooski
and
I
came
over
the
hill
and
I
looked
down
into
the
winoski
and
it
almost
brought
tears
to
my
eyes
because
it
was
just
it
was
not.
It
was
a
raggedy
town
monastery
back
then
yeah.
It
was
not.
It
was
a
lot
different
than
what
else
do
you
see
today?
Yes,
remember.
B
C
C
B
B
B
B
When
I
got
here-
and
you
know
my,
I
wasn't
a
guy
who
was
smart
enough
to
be
able
to
kind
of
get
a
you
know,
find
a
way
to
master
the
art
of
getting
to
see
yeah
and
I
kind
of
get
by
and
and
that
you
know
sort
of.
Like
my
my
history
of
st
mike's
was
similar
to
my
history
in
high
school
middle,
my
junior
year
was
like
1964
five.
B
I
think
I
decided
I
didn't
want
to
go
to
college
anymore,
so
I,
like
I,
had
a
girl
at
trinity,
made
me
up
a
sign
that
said
miami
beach
on
it.
I
went
out
on
the
highway
and
put
it
out
and
I
sold
my
car
and
withdrew
from
the
college
and
wow
and
put
my
sign
out
and
it's
from
miami
beach
and
I
got
a
ride.
The
guy
was
going
all
the
way
to
baltimore
and
I
said
why
don't
we
stop
my
phone
and
a
juris
new
jersey?
B
I
want
to
see
if
a
couple
of
my
friends
who
were
only
going
to
be
on
leave
from
the
marines
were
home,
so
they
happened
to
be
home
with
big
mistake
I
stopped
and
that
night
was.
I
won't,
go
into
the
details,
but
I
wound
up
under
lock
and
key
and
nothing
really
really
bad,
but
yeah
wound
up
driving
a
cab
in
my
hometown
for
six
months
I
was
the
only
caucasian
cab
driver.
B
B
B
That
was
1965
and
saint
mike's
didn't
have
semester,
so
I
had
to
start
all
over
again
my
junior
year,
and
so
I
that
was
the
year
I
met
my
wife,
terry
who
was,
she
was
a.
I
was
a
junior
at
st
mike's.
She
was
a
freshman
at
trinity
and
he
met
in
an
apartment
building
downtown.
She
came
down
to
borrow
one
of
my
friend's
cars
and
I
fell
like
head
over
heels
in
like
30
seconds.
C
A
B
I
got
out
of
college,
we
bought
it.
We
owned
it
for
like
35
years,
and
I
was
gonna
put
a
plaque
on
the
side
of
that
building
that
never
did
we
got
married.
We
got
married
right
after
I
graduated
from
st
mike's
and
and
I
I
got
a
job
at
the
howard
bank
in
burlington,
and
I
graduated
on
a
sunday
from
st
mike's
and
started
working
at
the
bank.
It
was
like
a
management
trainee
that
was
a
1967
in
september
of
67.
B
While
I
was
working
at
the
howard
bank,
she
was
also
working
at
the
university
of
vermont
in
a
bio
lab
for
matt
cunanan's
husband,
dr
arthur
cunanan,
and
so
we
started
our
family.
You
know
we
they
were
living
in,
we
lived
in
burlington
and
then
we
moved
to
winooski
and
lived
there
and
then
and
then
bought
our
first
home.
We
were
really
young.
We
were
like
maybe
25
and
22
out.
In
colchester
we
bought
a
house,
I'm
a
little
kind
of
a
shack
on
marble
island
road.
B
B
They
didn't
have
enough
students
to
field
a
team,
so
they
they
asked
local
business
people
who
had
some
athletic
ability
to
play.
So
I
decided
to
play
and
then
that
was
1969
1970
and
I
was
playing
in
a
game
in
montreal
for
uvm
we
were
playing
a
canadian
team,
a
west
mount
rugby
club.
They
were,
like
you,
know,
adult
older
guys
and
a
horrific
injury.
A
horrific
I
got
tackled
and
just
had
a
horrible,
horrific
knee
injury
know.
Hardly
even
it.
B
Really
really
bad
and
as
a
result
of
that
injury,
my
knee
got
dissipated
so
bad
that
I
wound
up
having
to
have
my
leg
amputated.
It's
amazing,
above
my
knee
I
was
20.
I
just
turned
26
and
married
with
one
little
boy,
and
so
I
was
in
the
hospital
up
there
for
a
couple
months
I
had
pro
I
had.
I
went
up
with
a
gangrene
and
I
my
my
kidneys
started
to
break
it
breaking
down.
B
So
the
meantime,
the
howard
bank,
where
I
work,
was
incredibly
good
to
me
the
whole
time
I
was
there.
They
paid
my
salary.
They
told
me
not
to
worry
about
anything
they
they'd
pick
up.
You
know
they
pay
my
salary
until
I
get
back
to
work,
wow
and
I
so
terry
was
going
back
and
forth
to
montreal.
While
I
was
in
the
hospital
she
stayed
for
a
while.
We
have
this
little
kid
and
wow.
B
I
was
you
know
petrified
about
what
was
going
to
happen.
You
know
to
us
like.
Actually,
we
didn't
have
any
money
at
all,
and
but
you
know
the
bank
really
took
care
of
me
and
came
when
came
back
to
to
vermont
like
a
couple
months
after
I
got
hurt,
I
got
fitted
for
an
artificial
leg
and
you
know
I
kind
of
I
kind
of
I
don't
know
my
attitude
was
sort
of
like
I
guess
I
gotta
get
back
to
work.
B
B
It
was
pretty
naive.
I
said
you
know
I
he
was
a
really
good
guy
and
I
said
I
I
want
to
talk
to
you
about
it.
I
want
to
be
somebody
I
don't
want
to
be
sitting
down
in
the
basement
of
the
bank
here
running
any
machine.
I
want
to
right
who
do
you
want
to
be?
I
said:
well
I
wouldn't
mind
your
job
someday
and
he
laughed.
He
brought
over
the
executive
vp
of
the
bank,
he
said
you
know,
listen
to
what
this
little
guy
has
to
say.
B
You
know,
so
I
told
him
all
this
and
I
think-
and
he
said
you
come
back
in
a
week
and
we're
gonna
have
a
job
for
you
and
you
you
he.
He
says
I
don't
have
any
doubt
you're
going
to
be
somebody,
so
I
came
back
a
week
later
and
they
had
this.
It
was
a
pretty
big
responsible
thing.
It
was
a
starting,
a
new
department,
and
so
I
did
that
went
down
to
new
york
city
to
kind
of
copy.
B
What
the
first
national
city
bank
had
for
a
department-
and
I
went
back
to
back
to
the
howard
and
instituted
that
and
rose
became.
A
commercial
loan
officer
rose
pretty
fast
in
the
bank.
Wow
became
like
you
know.
Some
people
have
a
something
like
that
happens
with
them
in
their
life.
It
can
kind
of
change
in
one
of
two
ways.
You
know
they
either
become
right
here,
isn't
depressed
or
they
just
kind
of
like
take
off
and
that's
what's.
A
Gonna
happen
to
me,
I
was
gonna.
Ask
you
about
that,
because
I
I
think
we've
talked
about
this.
My
father
had
lost
his
leg
in
world
war
ii
above
the
knee
like
yourself,
and
he
went
on
to
have
a
amazing
life
and
never
let
it
slow
him
down.
If
anything,
he
was
even
more
determined
to
be
successful
because
of
that
then
I'd
seen
another
my
next-door
neighbor
up
in
buffalo
same
thing:
he
lost
the
leg
above
the
knee
and
he
was
depressed
and
he
just
curled
up
in
a
ball
and
and
gave
up
on
life.
A
C
A
B
I
think
a
lot
of
it
with
me
was
who
I
was
married
to
we're
married
to
a
real
spark
plug,
and
I
got
an
incredible
amount
of
support
yeah
and
you
know-
and
I
think
that
had
a
lot
to
do
with
it.
You
know
I
really
wanted
to.
I
wanted
to
do
something.
I
I
wanted
to
be
sort
of
be
somebody.
You
know,
and
I
spent
my
whole
life.
You
know
so
anxious
and
unsure
of
myself
and
then
all
of
a
sudden.
C
A
B
B
B
We
were
living
in
colchester,
she
decided
she
was
going
to
run
for
political
office,
so
she
she
ran
for
the
vermont
state
legislature
against
an
incumbent
out
here
and,
and
she
worked
her
rear,
end
off
and
she
won
and
she
wound
up
serving
three
terms
in
a
legislature
as
a
democrat
and
that's
great,
it
was
about
the
same
time
that
I
was
you
know
reconsidering
what
I
wanted
to
do
with
my
life,
because
back
in
those
days
you
know
I
never
really
kind
of
like.
When
I
envisioned
myself.
B
B
That's
sort
of
what
happened
to
me.
I
was
in
the
business
like
just
a
matter
of
a
couple
weeks
and
I
made
this
huge
sale
right.
It
made
probably
twice
as
much
money
as
I'd
ever
made
working
on
the
bank
in
a
year,
and
I
said
boy
this
is
I
sold,
I
sold
a
place
downtown.
I
don't
know
if
you
were
around
that
was
bt,
mcguire's
and
hannibal's.
It
was
a
bar
right.
Oh.
B
Yep
I
sold
that
place
for
a
couple
guys.
I
went
to
school
with
the
saint
mike's
and
it
was
a
big
sale.
Big
everyone
was
talking
about
it
and
all
of
a
sudden
I
was
kind
of
like
kind
of
the
golden
boy
you
know,
and
so
I
really
like
that.
I,
like
the
attention
I
I
like
never
had
really
never
had
any
money
in
my
pocket
before
my
wife
and
I,
and
so
she
was
off.
B
A
year
I
one
of
my
friends,
tom
coburn,
he
had
an
insurance
company
which
I'd
helped
finance.
When
I
was
with
the
bank,
he
and
I
got
together
one
day,
and
I
told
him
about
my
idea
of
starting
a
commercial
real
estate
company
and
he
liked
the
idea
I
didn't
have
a
you
know
two
nicholas
to
rub
together,
not.
B
Late
70s
late,
70s
yeah
and
we
bought
a
building
on
college
street
when
there
wasn't
anything
going
on
on
college
street
down
by
bennington
potters
yep
bought
a
building
there
for
like
nothing,
didn't
it
no
money
down.
You
know
that
back
in
the
days
when
you
could
do
that
kind
of
thing
and
well,
banks
were
making
these
character
loans
to
people.
They
thought
you
know
they
could
they'd
find
a
way
to
pay
them
back.
You
know
they
knew
where
they
lived.
That
kind
of
stuff.
You
know
yes,
and
so
you
know
we.
B
I
just
one
thing
led
to
another.
I
kept
by
you
know,
buying
real
estate
selling
real
estate
and,
and
I
became
more
and
more
self-confident,
but
then
you
know
I
was
still
drinking
at
the
time
and
my
I
remember
my
partner
said
to
me
one
day.
Something
like
I
don't
know
if
our
relationship
will
be
long
term,
because
there's
a
part
of
me
that
always
wonders
whether
you're
going
to
drive
off
the
king
street
dock
some
night
half
of
the
bag
and
it
kind
of
hit
me
between
the
eyes.
B
C
B
In
those
self-help
kind
of
days,
people
were
given
those
kind
of
seminars.
You
know
and
kind
of
hit
me
between
the
eyes
and
then
I
started
thinking
about
not
drinking.
I
had
a
couple
of
dwi's,
you
know
a
lot
of
people
knew
me
in
burlington.
They
knew
my
wife,
you
know
and
a
lot
of
people
were
like
hoping.
Maybe
I
might
see
the
light
and
then
I
don't
know
how
much
time
we
have
gary.
I
I
was
gonna,
ask.
A
B
B
He
owned
the
restaurant
at
forest
hills,
he
owned
the
ice
house,
restaurant
and
he
had
owned
bt,
mcguires
and
hannibal's,
and
we
were
good
friends
and
I
guess
I'd
been
a
real
kind
of
jerk
the
night
before
and
said
some
things
to
him
that
I
still
don't
know
what
I
said.
But
he
told
me
he
said
if
you
don't
do
something
about
your
drinking.
B
B
B
I
got
in
my
car
drove
downtown
to
my
office
on
college
street
because
I
had
to
meet
a
guy
to
go.
Look
at
a
building.
I
had
listed
at
45
clark
street
in
burlington,
and
and
so
I
pull
up
in
front
and
I'm
thinking
to
myself,
I
gotta
stop
drinking,
I
gotta
stop
drinking
and
god
help
me.
You
know
because
I
still
had
a.
I
still
had
a
belief
in
in
a
in
god
and
some
kind
of
a
higher
power.
B
B
B
So
I'm
driving
down
college
street,
I'm
thinking
I
got
to
stop
drinking
this
poor
guy
sitting.
Next
to
me
you
know,
and
I
got
my
minds
elsewhere
and
yeah
pulling
in
front
of
what
now
is
the
hilton
hotel
on
battery
street
and
the
old
ramada
end
or
whatever
it
was
radisson.
I
think,
and
I
turned
to
this
guy,
I'm
thinking
I
got
to
stop
drinking.
I
turned
to
this
guy
and
I
said
so:
what's
your
interest
in
this
building
and
what
organization
are
you
with
these?
B
C
C
B
He
said,
did
you
hear
what
and
I
said
oh
never
mind
wow,
and
I
said
I
mean
I
wasn't
a
super
religious
guy
and
I'm
still
not,
but
I
I
kind
of
had
an
idea
who
was
in
the
back
seat
of
my
car
yeah
and
it
was
a
guy
who's,
usually
very
busy,
and
I
didn't
think
he
had
an
awful
lot
of
time
for
me,
but
he
said
this
is
it
so
I
pull
over
to
45
clark
street
park
in
the
parking
lot
and
I
kept
asking
this
guy
dave.
How
do
I
quit
drinking?
B
All
day
long
is
finally
out
for
a
break.
Looking
at
a
building
says
to
me:
rich,
listen,
I
got
some
questions
about
the
building.
You
can
answer
my
questions.
I'll
tell
you
what
to
do
so.
I
had
them
this
fact
sheet
for
the
building
and
walked
him
around
the
building,
and
I
got
back
out
in
the
parking
lot.
He
gave
me
his
card
and
he
said
I
think
we
want
to
buy
the
building.
B
So
once
you
come
over
in
a
couple
hours
and
and
we'll
write
up
a
offer
and
you
can
and
I'll
tell
you
what
you
got
to
do
about
your
drinking
someone
over
there,
they
wrote
up
an
offer
now
long
story
short.
They
bought
the
building.
I
never
drank
again
wow
and
I
was
their
first
customer.
I
was
like
it
was
their
first
client
when
they
were
moving
furniture
in
the
building
wow
and
I
got
counseling
there
and
then
I'd
also
had
a
you
know.
B
B
C
B
B
So
I
think,
like
you
just
never
know
in
life
what
what
what
it
has
in
store
for
you
and
what
what
thing
might
happen
to
you
or
that
might
completely
change
your
whole
direction,
because
you
know
once
once
I
started
you
know
once
I
started
dealing
getting
into
recovery,
my
whole
life
just
completely
changed.
I
mean
it
came.
It
became
like
you
know
it
took
time.
I
mean
it
happened
over.
B
A
You
know
the
one
thing
that
I'm
thinking
from
some
of
what
you're
just
saying
is
that
there
was
a
part
of
you
that
was
open
to
hearing
what
those
people
were
telling
you,
your
friends,
your
partners,
the
guy
that
you
sold
the
building
to
I
mean
you
could
have
another
rich
feel
they
could
have.
Let
those
things
just
go
by
and
not
not
see
those
as
potential
turning
points
in
your
life,
and
you
you,
you
let
it
in.
B
Absolutely
you
know,
and
and
as
you
know,
that
that
was
sort
of
what
was
that
you
know
that's
40
years
ago,
the
last
40
years
of
my
life,
you
know
probably
20
years
of
that
we've
taken
up.
You
know
working
my
rear
end
off
in
the
real
estate
business
and
you
know
had
some
success
at
that
and
as
a
as
a
real
estate
developer,
I
think
you
were
on
the
board.
We
all
know
city
council,
when
I
was
board
of
aldermen
when
I
was.
A
B
B
C
C
B
And-
and
I
I
did
find
out
doing
that-
that
that
specific
process
really
wasn't
my
cup
of
tea,
you
know
I
really
wasn't.
Some
people
were
really
good
at
that,
like
maybe
somebody
like
eric,
farrell
or
burlington,
housing,
trust
or
other
people
who
are
more.
Some
people
are
just
really
good
at
that
kind
of
thing.
Yeah.
B
I
thought
I
was
when
I
was
younger,
I'm
you
know
I'm
just
another
person
trying
to
add
some
positive
things
to
the
world.
You
know
and
and
also
enjoy
my
life
and
not,
and
I
found
out
you
know
also
it
took
me
a
while,
because
I
had
I
had
some
success.
You
know
it
took
me
a
while
to
sort
of
kind
of
get
over
myself
a
little
bit
because.
B
Going
to
town
like
burlington,
you
know
if
you're
successful
in
a
town
like
burlington,
you
know
it's
a
small
town
and
a
lot
of
people
are
paying
attention
to
you
and
it's
kind
of
easy
to
get
caught
up
in
your
own
self-importance.
You
know
that
you
think
that
you're,
you
know
special
or
something,
and
maybe
you
are
kind
of
we're
all
special
in
our
own
way
right.
I
know
what
you
mean,
but
not
that
we're
better
than
anybody
else.
You
know
right
right
so.
A
B
Yeah
I
mean
she's
she's,
just
such
a
gem.
You
know
I
I
probably
cry
here.
I
don't
know
what
you
know
I
was
out.
You
know
I
was
lucky
lucky
I
when
I
was
growing
up,
I
didn't
have
a
lot
of
experience
with
girls.
You
know
I
mean
I
had.
I
had
probably
the
average
number
of
girlfriends,
but
I
never
really
knew
how
to
act
around
girls
or
I
never
felt
comfortable
around
girls,
but
you
know
with
her
I've
always
one
thing.
B
I've
noticed
in
my
life,
though,
has
always
been
any
girls
that
I've
ever
attracted
to
are
usually
kind
of
smart.
My
father
told
me
one
time
growing
up.
He
and
I
didn't
get
along
well,
but
I
remember
him
telling
me
you
know,
make
sure
you
hook
up
with
a
girl
who's
smarter
than
you,
and
he
would
then
he
would
say
some
snide
comment
like
we
shouldn't
be
all
that
hard.
B
Oh
yeah
right,
but
he
was
right.
You
know
it's
so
much
fun
to
go
through
life
with
a
mate.
You
know
somebody
who
you
really
care
about
and
who
really
cares
about
you
and
you
know
somebody
to
talk
with,
and
you
know
bounce
things
off
of,
and
you
know
you
know
nobody's,
there's
no
way
you're
ever
going
to
go
through
life
without
that,
whatever
you
might,
I
I
don't
think
a
perfect
relationship.
B
You
know
it's
right,
it's
hard
enough
to
have
a
good
relationship
just
with
yourself
and
then
when
you
bring
somebody
else
into
the
mix,
but
you
know
having
them
having
a
a
a
team
member,
a
mate,
you
know
a
you
know
a
spouse.
Is
it's
been
such
an
important
part
of
my
life?
You
know,
I
mean
she's,
she
what
she's
kind
of
I
mean
I
I
know
where
she
comes
from.
B
You
know:
she's
she's,
the
oldest
of
nine
kids
in
a
french
canadian
catholic
family
in
connecticut
they
grew
up
in
a
you
know.
They
didn't
have
anything.
You
know
and
I
spent
a
summer
at
her
house
before
we
got
married.
She
was
a
nanny
on
the
beach
in
in
rhode,
island
and
I
was
living
for
some
reason.
Her
mother
asked
me
to
stay
at
the
house.
B
I
was
working
on
a
railroad,
the
new
haven
railroad
that
summer
in
in
her
hometown
and
toughest
job
I
ever
had
in
my
life
working
on
like
a
road
gang.
You
know-
oh
my
goodness,
pounding
spikes
and
moving
ties
around
stuff.
Like
that,
you
know,
but
I
lived
in
her
house
and
you
know
there
were
like
nine
kids
and
her
parents
and
one
bathroom.
C
B
You
know
three
four
kids
to
a
bedroom,
and
so
she
you
know
she
didn't,
have
it
easy
as
a
kid,
but
what
it
was
it
was
what
she
was
used
to
and
she
brought
a
lot
of
that
to
the
table.
When
we
got
married,
I
mean
she
was
first
of
all
she,
as
I
said
when
I
was
sitting
in
that
apartment
at
206
maple
street
in
burlington.
B
B
B
Not
gonna
happen,
you
know,
so
you
know
she,
you
know
she's,
she
has
she,
she
doesn't
drink,
she
quit
drinking.
You
know
long
many
many
years
ago,
35
years
ago,
and
so
our
relationship
is
a
lot
of
us
based
on
you
know,
respect
and
I
mean
we're
a
couple
of
characters.
You
know
or
we're
we're
different.
B
We
agree
on
a
lot
of
things
in
life,
a
lot
of
political
things
in
life
about
the
way
the
world
should
be
and
all
the
rest
of
that
you
know,
and
you
know,
we've
had
our
issues
over
the
years
like
any
couple
would
have,
but
we
were
able
to
find
a
way
you
know
like
we
had
a
problem
find
a
way
to
put
that
in
the
past.
You
know
like
suck
it
up
say.
Well,
you
know
you
don't
want
to
match
scorecards.
B
B
Kind
of
you
know,
you've
got
to
be
able
to
compromise.
Find
the
art
of
compromise
is
really
important.
You
know,
and
I
really
I
really
love
her
she's-
a
really
she's,
a
really
good
person,
she's,
a
really
nice
woman.
I
I
like
trying
to
make
her
happy
and
we
have
a
pretty
pretty
simple
life
in
a
lot
of
ways.
I
mean
my
kids
say
to
me
dad
you
know
something
like
you
know.
Why
don't
you
buy
some
big
condo?
B
B
B
C
B
A
B
C
C
B
C
C
B
Things
I
haven't
done,
you
know
what
I
don't
really
think
so.
We've
talked
about
you
know
like
we've
been
I've
been
to
ireland
a
lot
I
got.
You
know
cousins
over
there.
I
like
ireland,
I
I
have
some
inner
ear
problems
that
make
that
make
it
a
little
scary
for
me
to
fly
now,
so
everything
I
think
about
going
anywhere.
It's
usually
I
want
to
go
by
car.
B
B
From
uvm
the
other
is,
is
going
to
be
a
junior
at
salve,
regina
university
in
in
a
newport
rhode
island.
Our
two
sons
are,
they
live
in
washington
dc
and
in
fairfield,
connecticut,
they're,
really
good
guys
we
get
along
with
them
great,
that's
great,
so
we've
had
we've
been
really
we've
been
really
lucky.
I
I
think
you
know
as
long
as
I
keep
living
my
life
one
day
at
a
time
yep
not
getting
caught
up
in
yesterday
or
tomorrow.
C
B
C
B
C
B
Country
politically,
it's
really
difficult.
I
remember
the
days
when
you
know
ronald
reagan
and
tip
o'neill
could
go
out
and
have
a
couple
of
beers
and
settle
a
problem,
and
you
know
these
politicians
today
don't
even
seem
to
be
able
to
do
something
like
that,
and
I
don't
know
how
we're
ever
going
to
make
any
headway
in
this
country.
As
long
as
we
have
people
that
just
won't
talk
with
each
other
yeah.
B
A
B
B
Wow
and
the
eminem
boys
were
going
for
the
home
run
record.
Yes,
and
I
got
a
chance
of
standing
at
home
plate
at
yankee,
stadium
and
batting
practice,
and
I
didn't,
I
think
I
got
one
ball
out
of
the
infield.
That
was
it
so
I
got
home
that
night.
My
father
said:
how
did
you
do?
I
said?
Well,
I
found
out
what
I'm
not
going
to
be
doing
for
a
living
wow.