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From YouTube: Burlington Police Commission - 8/3/2022
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00:00:00 Agenda
00:06:32 Commission Actions
00:21:45 Public Forum
00:22:57 Chief's Report
01:11:40 Cultural Humility Training by CSL Anna Wageling
01:42:51 Commission Actions
02:13:20 Use of Force Incident Reporting
02:22:40 Commendations
02:24:12 Commissioner Updates / Comments
02:29:11 Other Business
02:34:26 Executive Session/Adjourn
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A
We
all
would
have
been
here
so
that
would
have
been
the
issue,
but
Kevin
is
unable
to
be
here
with
us
tonight,
and
I
would
I
and
I
you
would
like.
I
would
like
a
present.
I
would
like
it's
all
present
to
make
that
decision,
and
so
that
is
my
rationale
behind
tabling
the
the
that
actually
had
the
charitable
next
week.
Sorry
to
our
next
meeting,
which
is
on
the
23rd
of
August,.
G
I
have
a
commenters
would
say
that
in
the
event
that
someone
is
absent
next
time,
I
think
we
should
still
vote,
because
this
could
go
on.
You
know
for
some
time,
so
I
think
it's
good
to
you
know
sort
of
push
it
up
one
month,
but
we
could
have
of
someone
missing
the
next
month
and
I.
Think
if
that
happens,
then
we
have
to
get
a
proxy
or
something
so
we
can
get
started
in
a
new.
You
know
new
season.
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D
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A
All
right,
then,
then,
I
motion
to
have
CSL
wageling
present
after
the
chief
support
do
I
have
a
second
I
saw
Susie's
hand.
First,
sorry
I'll
get
you
one
of
these
days
seconded
by
Susie
any
questions
or
comments,
I'm,
not
seeing
or
hearing
any
all
in
favor
of
hearing
CSO
wage
link
presentation
after
the
chief
support
raise
your
hand
or
say
hi
hi
that
passes
unanimously
and
the
last
agenda
motion
I
moved
to
adopt
the
now
amended
agenda.
We
have
a
second.
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C
E
J
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F
J
A
Awesome
well,
we
look
forward
to
working
with
you
getting
to
know
you
better
over
these
next
several
months,
so
welcome
aboard.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
awesome
and
moving
on
to
an
exclamation
actions,
which
is
the
approval
of
the
minutes
and
I
did
see
an
email
that
people
might
have
might
have
had
some
trouble
accessing
the
minutes
on
board.
Docs
I
know
there's
a
little
snafu.
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A
F
I
don't
know
if
the
fourth
one
was
there
or
if,
if
Shannon,
you
would
reach
out
to
board
docs,
and
maybe
they
were
pushing
things
through
I'm,
not
exactly
sure
how
all
that
works.
It's
not
an
issue
that
we've
ever
had
before
I
think
last
month
was
kind
of
the
first
time
it
was.
It
was
funky
and
then
it
it
just
wasn't
so
I
don't
know
like
once.
F
A
E
So
sorry,
chair,
Gamache
I,
did
have
a
colleague
that
doesn't
have
access
to
board
docs
and
they
can
see
them
so
I,
don't
I,
don't
necess
and
they
don't
have
a
login.
So
I
don't
necessarily
know
it
sounds
like
this
is
a
super
big
glitch,
I
hadn't
reached
out
to
board
docs
today,
I
had
before,
and
maybe
that's
why
those
ones
from
the
previous
meeting
showed
and
then
not
now.
June
is
apparently
not
showing
I
I.
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F
E
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B
F
F
C
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A
420
426,
my
apologies,
420
and
426.
all
right,
I
propose.
We
proved
the
minutes
from
the
from
the
special
meeting
on
420
2022
and
for
in
the
regular
meeting
from
4
26
2022
by
Milo.
All
in
favor
raise
your
hand
or
say
aye,
bye
and
I.
Guess
technically
for
you,
jack
I
would
abstain
from
this
Vote
or
to
say
abstensive.
It's
because
you
weren't
present
for
those
meetings.
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B
B
C
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F
Well,
I
said
a
lot
at
the
meeting.
I
I
was
just
very
concerned
about
the
language
with
reference
to
the
black
community,
especially
feeling
like
the
black
community
is
being
thrown
under
the
bus
with
such
a
broad
statement
that
that
was
made
with
regards
to
the
gunfire
incident,
so
I
feel
that
what
was
discussed
is
not
really
adequately
reflected
in
the
meeting
the
minutes,
because
it
is
such
a
serious
issue.
F
A
I
I
just
quickly
wanted
to
say
that
we
probably
have
to
wait
till
next
month,
because
I
was
only
here
for
the
beginning
of
this
meeting.
So
it
seems
to
me:
I
should
abstain
from
boating
on
this,
and
that
means
we
don't
have
a
quorum.
So
I
apologize,
but
I
wasn't
there
for
the
whole
meeting
and
I.
Think
in
particular
the
conversation
that
we're
talking
about
right
now.
B
A
B
Okay,
so
with
regard
to
this
question
on
the
table,
it
is
the
the
video
that
should
give
the
detail
I
it.
It's
I,
don't
think
it's
appropriate
to
write
a
new
statement
that
wasn't
reflected
in
in
the
meeting
itself.
So
I
think
that
we
would
want
to
ask
if
you
don't
mind,
Shannon
I,
don't
know
how
this
would
happen,
but
I
think
it
needs
to
be
amended
based
on
the
video
of
our
meeting
and
I.
F
A
Shannon
I
guess
you
have
what
Stephanie
wanted
for
her
for,
like
foreign
Amendment
to
the
minutes
and
then
I
believe
Milo
will
get
we'll
forward
to
you,
based
on
based
on
the
video
part
of
that
that
meeting
I
guess
her
statement
or
notes
based
on
that
part.
I
should
get
that
to
you
and
then
we'll
vote
on
the
Miss
for
5
24
next
5
24
and
wonders
the
other
day,
6
28th.
The
next
meeting
sure.
E
Mohammed
and
I
can
go
back
and
review
so
after
the
last
meeting.
Just
for
some
clarification,
I
did
go
back
and
make
sure,
and
it
was
what
was
noted
in
the
minutes
is
what
was
said,
and
then
it
was.
Commissioner
Grant
stated
that
you
would
follow
like
you
would
make
another
comment
and
that
and
I
followed
through
and
I
didn't
hear
it,
but
Muhammad
and
I
can
go
back
through.
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C
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J
About
that,
thank
you
sorry
about
that.
Thank
you
very
much,
Mr
chair,
I,
have,
with
your
permission
a
I'd
like
to
to
share
a
presentation
with
you.
I
gave
a
draft
of
this.
It's
largely
the
same
as
the
draft
that
I
sent
to
you
and
the
co-chair
and
the
vice
chair
yesterday
and
I
will
there
have
been
one
or
two
tiny
sort
of
stylistic
amendments
to
it.
Nothing
of
substance,
I
believe
since
I
sent
it
to
you,
but
with
your
permission,
I
will
share
my
screen.
Please.
J
J
This
is
our
head
count
and
it
is
updated
as
of
August
1st,
and
so
this
I
wouldn't
have
been
able
to
present
exactly
this
slide.
If
it
had,
we
met
on
the
scheduled
meeting
because
I
wouldn't
have
had
the
the
data
for
the
first,
although
I
knew
what
it
was
going
to
be.
The
the
good
news
is
that
in
a
this
will
be
different
in
in
a
short
period
of
time.
We
are
onboarding
new
employees
for
the
current,
the
the
coming
Police
Academy
class.
J
We
just
had
a
recruit
graduate
from
the
previous
Police
Academy
class
that
ended
this
past
month.
That
recruit
is
now
in
field
training.
No
longer
a
recruit
is
now
a
probationary
employee.
In
field
training.
We
are
onboarding
three
additional
employees
who
will
be
attending
the
police
academy
that
begins
in
August.
They
will
be
full
employees,
as
of
Monday
I,
believe
I,
think
Shannon
put
an
event
in
my
calendar
to
meet
with
them
on
Monday
morning.
I've
obviously
met
with
them
already.
J
One
of
them,
a
retirement
who
is
already
not
with
us,
is
already
burning
through
time
that
he
accrued
over
the
course
of
his
career,
but
he
will
be
off
of
our
books
in
early
September,
another
individual,
also
probably
off
our
books
in
early
September
and
then
another,
if
not
in
September,
then
certainly
by
October.
In
the
meantime,
I'm
hope,
people
that
we
may
be
able
to
bring
in
some
lateral
employees
and
I'll
show
you
why
a
little
bit
later,
as
I
said
before,
I,
always
include
the
priority
response
plan.
J
These
reports
go
up
on
the
web
page.
Each
of
them
is,
is
there
and
if
somebody
chooses
to
just
look
at
the
most
recent
I
want
certain
data
to
be
there
for
them,
no
matter
which
one
they're
picking
up,
if
it's
their
first
time
visiting
our
data
page
and
looking
through
our
transparency
portal.
So
this
is
an
important
grounding
piece
for
anyone
who's
seeing
these
reports
for
the
first
time.
That
is
not
you.
J
We
are
up
this
year
for
overall
incident
volume
we
are
approaching
2020
I
believe
that
we
probably
will
pass
2020
before
the
end
of
the
year,
but
that
remains
to
be
seen
if
we
don't
pass
it
we'll,
certainly
hover
very
close
to
it,
we're
still
nowhere
near
previous
years,
but
we
are
over
last
year
the
number
of
stacked
has
remained
relatively
consistent,
which
frankly
surprises
me.
I
I
thought
that
we
would
be
in
a
higher
percentage
of
stacked.
J
What
is
happening
with
the
Stacked
calls
is
they
are
being
stacked
for
much
longer
periods
of
time.
At
this
point,
so
although
we
are
only,
although
the
the
ratio
of
stacked
to
unstacked
hasn't
changed
dramatically,
the
time
period
in
which
we
stack
a
call
is
is
greatly
expanded.
In
fact,
most
many
of
these
don't
get
a
real
response
at
all.
They
basically
kind
of
dissolve
before
anybody's
able
to
respond,
and
we
touch
base
days
later
with
the
person,
but
after
the
incident
has
ended.
J
J
I
do
believe
that
it
will.
It
will
probably
merge
with
2020
and
possibly
cross
over
2020
sometime
by
the
end
of
the
year.
Definitely
based
on
the
rate
at
which
it's
expanded,
we've
seen
a
real
uptick,
a
noticeable
uptick
there
from
June
first
through
the
end
of
July.
Will
that
sustain?
If
it
doesn't
sustain,
then
it
won't
cross.
2020,
if
it
sustains
it,
will
cross
2020
and
begin
to
approach.
2019.
J
J
and
they
are
they're
a
good
deal
higher
than
2017
at
this
point
and
show
signs
of
there
too,
although
it's
not
as
steep
as
the
uptick
that
we've
seen
in
overall
incidents,
the
uptick
in
Priority
One
is
significant
from
the
well,
not
significant,
but
it's
noticeable
from
I
don't
want
to
use
a
statistical
term.
It's
noticeable
visually
from
June
1st
through
June,
through
July
1st,
through
August
1st.
J
J
There
were
just
a
lot
of
categories
for
me
to
run
between
to
update
every
single
one
of
these,
for
the
sake
of
the
six
days
that
we're
missing,
between
7,
24
and
and
today
so
I
frankly,
didn't
do
it,
but
I
have
to
run
each
of
these
by
hand.
I
have
not
yet
figured
out
how
to
make
an
automated
plot
for
them,
so
I
I
do
each
category
by
hand.
Please
note
that
I
sent
a
draft
of
the
724
document
to
you.
J
I
had
accidentally
changed
the
burglary
numbers
for
2021,
but
not
for
2022..
So
this
is
a
little
different
if
you're,
if
you
refer
to
that
one
I
would
I
would
delete
it
if
you,
if
it's
still
in
your
file,
this
is
these
are,
however,
double
checked
again.
This
is
Val
core
data.
This
is
the
responses
that
we
go
to
the
incidents
that
get
called
into
us
and
the
way
in
which
they
are
mostly
defined
by
dispatch
and
the
caller.
J
But
then,
in
some
cases
updated
by
the
officer,
there
may
be
a
difference
between
this
data
and
offense
data
or
neighbors
data.
This
is
a
different
way
of
looking
at
that.
What
I
did
here
was
I
took
the
five-year
average
from
2017
through
2021
17
18,
19,
20
and
21
took
the
five-year
average
of
each
of
those
and
compared
it
to
the
year-to-date
figures
for
2022.,
so
all
of
those
are
five
year
or
year
to
date,
and
we
see
pretty
strikingly
where
these
are
compared
to
those
averages.
J
There
are,
if
I
go
back
to
this
previous.
There
are
certainly
years
that
are
worse
than
the
Year
we're
in,
for
example,
in
with
regard
to
simple
assault.
There
are
higher
numbers,
but
simple
salt
happens
to
be
down
with
regard
to.
Let's
see,
burglary
they're
2017
was
worse
than
2020
with
regard
to
burglary,
but
when
we
look
at
where
burglary
is
with
regard
to
this
five-year
average,
it's
significant
and
these
differences
are
significant.
J
J
We
are
down
to
21.
21
officers
on
patrol,
and
that
is
again
I.
Think
going
to
change
more
over
the
next
month,
we're
going
to
lose
additional
officers,
I'm
incredibly
happy
to
have
three
new
officers
going
to
the
police
academy,
I'm
incredibly
happy
to
have
an
officer
out
of
field
training,
but
that
officer
is
not
a
solo
officer.
Doesn't
count
on
that
21
number.
J
J
So
a
rebuilding
strategy,
because
that
is
the
next
piece.
The
the
mayor
and
the
city
council
worked
tremendously
hard
to
come
together
on
a
budget
and
received
unanimous
approval
from
the
city
council
on
a
budget
then,
and
that
was
back
in
June
in
July.
Just
last
week,
the
city
council
approved
a
contract
for
the
Burlington
Police
Department.
That
too
came
after
a
lot
of
work
by
the
mayor
by
members
of
the
city
council,
particularly
council,
president
Paul
by
others
as
well.
J
Advocating
for
this,
those
two
tools
are
incredibly
important
to
us.
With
regard
to
this
rebuilding
strategy.
Our
strategy
is
predicated
on
these
things
on
retention
and
recruiting,
both
of
which
are
facilitated
primarily
by
that
contract
and
then
marketing,
which
is
facilitated
significantly
by
the
budget.
J
J
So
that
brings
with
it
a
number
of
things
that
I
think
are
really
distinctive
about
this
agency
and
important
about
this
agency.
We
do
have
a
five-year
vest,
although
I
hope
we
don't
lose
people
after
a
mere
five
years.
We
have
shift
differential,
we
have
full
Medical,
benef
benefits,
our
retirement
comes
after
20
years
and
it's
a
50
salary.
After
25
it
is
75
salary.
J
This
15
Step
pay
scale
for
non-supervisory
employees
right.
It
goes
from
71
000
to
100
000
and
for
supervisors.
It
is
higher
than
that.
Our
supervisors
are
compensated
according
to
a
system
called
the
pups
which
stands
for
police
uniformed
pay
scale.
It
essentially
is
that
says
that
the
bottom
pay
Sergeant
makes
six
percent
more
than
the
top
pay
police
officer
and
the
bottom
pay
Lieutenant
makes
six
percent
more
than
the
top
pay
Sergeant.
J
There
are
four
steps
for
sergeant
and
four
steps
for
lieutenant
and
then
Deputy
Chiefs
are
compensated
at
eight
percent
above
the
top
pay
lieutenant
and
there
are
well.
That
is
the
way
the
pups
used
to
work.
Chief
Del
puzzo
pulled
the
Deputy
Chiefs
out.
We
are
working
on
addressing
that,
but
nevertheless
that
is
the
basic
structure
about
8
percent
for
the
deputy
Chiefs
above
the
top
paid
Lieutenant.
J
This
is
a
a
a
fairly
compensated
job
at
this
point.
I
think
a
very
well
compensated
job
at
this
point
and
I
think
we
are
in
a
position
right
now
to
be
better
compensated
than
most
other
agencies
in
the
state.
There
are
different
ways
to
to
measure
compensation
and
and
different
agencies
will
talk
about
different
things.
The
Vermont
State
Police
give
take
home
cars,
for
example,
and
build
in
certain
amounts
of
overtime
that
include
travel
time
because
they
are
on
duty,
the
second
they
turn
on
the
key
to
that
Cruiser.
J
So
there
are
different
ways
of
of
factoring
these
things,
but
insofar
as
salary
we
are
now,
if
not
the
best
compensated,
we're,
certainly
at
the
very
top
of
compensation
for
the
state.
I
think
we
probably
are
the
best
compensation
for
for
actual
numbers.
We
are.
We
have
what
remains
I.
Think
one
of
the
best
schedules
in
the
state
10
hour
work
days
four
days
on
three
days
off,
because
we
do
what's
called
a
swap
every
every
other
month.
J
Officers
have
the
weekend
off
for
those
three
day
off
periods,
so
they're
actually
out
on
the
weekend.
We
are
thanks
to
this
body.
We
do
permit
beards.
We
have
always
permitted
tattoos
that
too
differentiates
us
from
many
other
agencies
in
the
state.
Our
tattoos
do
come
with
caveats.
We,
as
you
know,
because
you
did
review
the
directive
by
which
We
spelled
this
out.
We
reserve
the
right
to
to
review
tattoos.
J
Of
course,
we
do
not
want
tattoos
that
indicate
certain
kinds
of
behavior
or
affiliations
amongst
our
officers,
but
tattoos
we
do
not
require
that
they
be
covered
many
other
agencies.
Do
we
also
are
an
agency
that
allows
for
non-citizens
to
become
police
officers
as
long
as
they
are
permanent
residents
or
green
card
holders.
That,
too,
is
a
is
a
difference
for
many
other
agencies.
We
have
gotten
employees
in
the
past
because
of
that
somewhat
unique
aspect.
J
J
The
loss
of
those
school
resource
officers
has
been
detrimental
with
regard
to
some
of
the
ongoing
criminal
activity
that
we've
seen
around
the
city,
because
that
was
a
key
component
of
how
we
related
to
certain
kinds
of
certain
parts
of
the
community
and
and
Forge
strong
relationships,
but
we
don't
have
those
right
now.
We
do,
however,
still
have
detectives
narcotics,
a
canine
Officer,
a
domestic
violence
prevention
officer.
We
have
airport
officers,
we
have
an
emergency
response
unit.
That
is
not
a
specialty
assignment
where
the
officer
is
assigned
only
to
that,
but
is
it
special?
J
It
is
a
specialty
role.
Many
other
police
departments
do
not
have
that.
It
allows
for
additional
tactical
training.
It
allows
for
officers
to
expand
their
toir
I
I
say
with
great
confidence
that
the
response
that
we've
seen
in
other
localities,
primarily
Uvalde
Texas,
is
not
one
that
would
ever
happen
in
this
city
or
in
this
Police
Department
we've
had
long
conversations
internally
about
that
and
the
position
of
the
officers
is
is
one
of
of
assuring
that
that
would
never
ever
occur
here.
We
do
equip
all
of
our
rifle
our
officers
with
rifles.
J
We
have
purchased
new
rifles
for
the
police
department,
we
have
Shields
and
helmets
available
for
any
kind
of
of
high
risk
crisis,
and
that
is
something
that
this
agency
has,
that
a
lot
do
not,
but
the
key
component
of
that
eru,
the
Emergency
Response
Unit,
is
not
the
use
of
those
tools.
It
is
the
de-escalation
that
comes
with
it.
J
It
is
the
ability
to
use
the
Erv,
the
emergency
response
vehicle
to
respond
to
incidents
in
a
way
to
decelerate
them
that
de-escalate
them,
that
control
the
pace
and
the
scene
in
a
way
that
allows
us
to
resolve
it
safely
for
everyone.
The
person
involved,
the
officers,
any
people
who
are
either
Witnesses
or
subjects
or
God
forbid
hostages.
It
is
something
that
that
is,
that
is
the
the
key
to
the
use
of
that
tool
and
that
team
there
are.
J
You
know
a
number
of
other
benefits,
I
think
to
this
job,
and
they
include
the
ability
to
work
with
resources
that
a
lot
of
police
departments
don't
have,
and
that
includes
our
community
service
officers.
As
I
said,
one
of
them
is
transitioning
to
officer
now,
I
anticipate,
that's
going
to
be
something
we'll
see
more
of,
and
just
as
importantly,
our
our
Cape
team
and
the
csls
who
work
there
being
able
to
work
hand
in
hand
with
them
as
well
as
resources
that
are
outside
the
police
department
at
the
Howard.
J
So
this
goes
to
the
the
third
component
of
that
rebuilding
plan.
We
talked
about
the
idea
of
marketing
and
we
do
have
some
budget
thanks
to
that
that
very
well
done
budget
accepted
by
the
and
unanimously
accepted
by
the
city
council.
These
are
the
plans
we
have
for
the
use
of
that
budget.
These
are
are
in
the
works
right
now.
Important
to
this
is
the
hiring
of
both
a
public
information
officer,
slash
Community
engagement
coordinator
and
the
hiring
of
a
recruitment
coordinator.
J
Obviously,
a
huge
part
of
any
rebuilding
is
going
to
be
the
CNA
report
and
the
the
incredible
number
of
recommendations.
It
has
the
work
that
has
already
gone
into
it
with
the
bpoa,
the
BPD,
the
police
commission
and
the
City
council's
Public
Safety
Committee,
as
well
as
as
private
stakeholders,
including
members
of
the
Church
Street
Marketplace
and
others
we're
very
eager
to
begin
tackling
this,
according
to
the
timetables
that
are
established
by
the
committee
and
recognize
that
many
of
these
will
be
done
in
collaboration
with
the
police.
J
Commission,
some
I
think
will
be
done
by
the
police
commission
itself,
and
this
is
a
long-term,
complicated
effort.
It's
a
very,
very
multi-part
process.
It's
got
a
long
timetable
in
front
of
it.
It's
got
a
lot
of
moving
Parts
we're
going
to
be
doing
it
at
a
time
where
our
resources
are
lower
than
they
have
ever
been,
and
I
think
that
this
is
a
significant
task
in
front
of
us,
but
it's
very
important
for
the
rebuilding
that
we
envision.
J
B
B
It
depends
on
how
we
want
to
use
these
data,
but
if
we
want
to
sort
of
assess
long-term
trends,
20
and
21
are
really
aberrations
because
of
covid
and
I
think
that
therefore
2017
to
2019
average
compared
to
2022
I
I,
you
know
I
I'm,
just
going
to
make
that
request
as
a
commissioner
that
you
may
want
to
show
this,
but
also
include
when
you
make
comparisons
with
previous
years.
It
would
be
helpful
to
see
non-coveted
years
in
in
the
excluded
from
the
comparisons.
Those
are
my
two
comments.
Thank
you.
F
I
just
wanted
to
say
to
send
the
request
to
include
information
about
the
csos
and
CS
cells
in
the
monthly
Chiefs
report.
I
would
also
like
to
see
the
number
of
incidents
that
they
have
gone
out
on
I
think
that
is
important
to
know
in
terms
of
the
effectiveness
and
and
how
they
are
being
incorporated
into
the
overall
public
safety
system
that
we
are
working
on,
improving
in
Burlington
and
I.
Just
we've
kind
of
talked
about
wanting
to
see
this
information
before
and
I
just
think.
F
A
C
A
F
J
J
We
will
do
some
of
it
through
our
own
channels
as
well,
particularly
since
we're
we're
hopeful
to
find
somebody
who
has
some
degree
of
familiarity
with
with
police
and
the
unique
role
they
have
in
a
community
and
the
way
they
engage
with
the
community.
But
the
this
the
hiring
process
will
be
something
that
I
think
HR
will
be
significantly
involved
in.
F
Okay
and
then
I
guess
my
concern
is,
since
we
don't
know
when
we're
going
to
have
this
person
and
part
of
trying
to
improve
the
environment
for
lack
of
a
better
word
that
officers
are
working
under
because
we're
going
back
to
the
fact
that
officers
have
been
very,
very
clear
about
what
they
feel
the
community
feelings
are
towards
them.
Yet
we
haven't
had
the
engagement
necessary
to
work
on
that
and
I
feel
like
there
still
could
be
things
done.
F
I
J
Sure
so
we
we
don't
distinguish
or
differentiate
bike
thefts
from
other
thefts.
Bike
theft
would
be
primarily
rolled
into
the
larceny
of
all
types
again
on
on
this
page.
We
I
it
talks
about
larceny,
as
tracked
by
valcour
is,
is,
is
larceny
from
a
building
larceny
from
a
motor
vehicle
larceny
from
a
person
and
Larson
the
other
that
doesn't
distinguish
between
grand
larceny
and
larceny,
which
is
determined
by
the
amount
that
is
stolen.
J
It
is
aggregated
larceny,
all
Larson,
he
calls,
and
we
see
where
those
are
bikes
would
be
wrapped
up
into.
Those
mopeds,
mostly,
would
probably
be
wrapped
in
the
vehicle
it's
a
little
hard
to
tell
where
they
come,
but
the
the
vehicle
number
you
know
you
can
really
see
it
on
this
page.
The
change
is,
is
astronomical.
It's
a
huge
huge
change.
A
significant
portion
of
it
is
coming
from.
J
Unfortunately,
user
Behavior
people
leave
keys
in
cards.
People
leave
Keys,
Cars,
idling
people,
leave
cars,
open,
I,
I'm,
reluctant
to
focus
on
that
because,
frankly,
the
person
at
fault
for
any
car
theft
is
the
person
who
steals
the
car,
and
we
are
as
a
society,
are
far
too
lenient
on
people
who
undertake
criminal
activities.
J
Those
are
the
folks
who
are
causing
these
problems
and
when
a
person's
car
is
stolen,
it's
not
because
you
left
your
keys
in
the
cards,
because
somebody
chose
to
steal
your
car.
Nevertheless,
there
are
things
that
we
can
be
doing
we're
talking
about
having
some
additional
resources
on
Public
Information.
We've
done
that
before
we
have
shared
tips
and
ideas
in
to
the
media
and
in
press
release
form
we
are
are
seeing
instances
also
with
regard
to
vehicle
theft,
where
it
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
user.
J
It
is
a
purse
that
is
stolen
from
a
restaurant,
and
then
somebody
goes
through
the
parking
garage
clicking
that
key
fob
to
try
to
find
the
car.
It
is
people
who
have
been
burgled
and
had
keys
taken
from
inside
their
secured
homes
and
then
used
in
vehicles.
That
is
not
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
victim
and
has
everything
to
do
with
the
perpetrator.
J
It
is
it's
a
mixed
bag
on
that
we're
seeing
a
lot
of
it
and
we're
also,
of
course,
challenged
with
the
fact
that
that
Vermont
doesn't
have
a
true
vehicle
theft
law.
It's
got
something
called
operating
without
an
owner's
consent,
and
it's
it's
a
different
kind
of
standard
than
many
other
states
have.
G
G
Second
point:
I
live
on
well
Street
and
this
Monday
for
the
fourth
time
several
of
my
neighbors
had
their
tires
slashed
and
now
people
are
thinking
about
moving
and
where
people
are
worrying
about
whether
they're
Autumn
of
their
insurance
is
going
to
go
up,
because
this
is
now.
You
know
the
fourth
time
in
in
this
neighborhood
there's
been
problems
so
I
just
want
to
put
that
on
the
radar
and
I'm
I
was
told
by
an
officer
a
detective,
a
female
detective,
a
while
back.
G
You
know
that
they
thought
they
got
the
right
person,
but
that
has
happened
twice
after
and
I'm
wondering
if
that
person
was
released
from
jail.
What
the
story
was
that's
the
second
thing,
and
the
third
thing
is
I'm,
just
wondering
if
you
could
update
us
regarding
your
interactions
with
the
center
for
policing
equity
and
help
us
to
understand.
You
know
where
you
are
with
that
and
where
we're
going
together
with
that.
Thank
you.
J
J
The
detective
you
worked
with
is
currently
assigned
to
our
homicide
investigation
and
the
ability
to
deploy
detectives
or
officers
on
the
road
to
the
kinds
of
calls
you're
describing
is
essentially
zero.
The
you
know
for
gunfire
incidents
alone.
We've
had
one
every
other
week
this
year,
and
that
was
each
require
a
level
of
investigation.
That
is
the
same
almost
irrespective
of
whether
somebody
is
struck
or
not.
They
require
witness
interviews,
they
require
canvases
for
video.
J
When
we
have
fewer
than
four,
we
simply
cover
the
whole
city
and
or
cover
north
south.
Most
of
the
time,
it
means
cover
the
whole
city,
and
that
is
a
a
level
of
roving
that
is,
that
is
challenging
with
regard
to
the
I
did
receive
an
email
from
the
center
for
policing.
Equity
I
had
discussions
about
the
center
with
both
the
mayor
and
the
chief
of
staff.
Over
this
week,
we
are
are
contemplating
the
concept
of
working
on
training
with
them.
I
believe
this
agency
is
tremendously
overburdened.
G
So
I'm
going
to
go
back
to
the
second
point
for
a
moment
and
say
that
I
understand
everything,
you've
said
and
the
number
of
police
we
have
and
also
you
know
the
difficulty
in
doing
everything
that
needs
to
be
done.
So
I
wasn't
looking
for.
You
know,
sort
of
that
kind
of
a
picture.
I
just
want
you
to
know.
People
are
now
going
to
be
moving
I.
G
Just
here
it's
other
places
I'm
hearing
too
you
know
people
have
information
misinformation
about
downtown
things.
People
are
very
aware
of
the
gunfire
incidents
so
I'm,
hoping
that
we're
successful
in
lateral
moves
and
lateral
hires.
You
know,
since
the
other
process
take
so
long,
just
want
to
close
that
question.
That
discussion
out.
G
Yeah
I
I'm
just
reporting
back
to
what
I've
been
hearing
in
the
community,
so
I
and
you
know
most
people
are
not
that
specific,
but
they
do
read
the
newspaper
they
do
read.
You
know,
sort
of
Vermont,
Digger
et
cetera,
et
cetera
so,
and
it's
also
stuff
that
you
know
is
on
Facebook.
So
just
to
be
aware.
G
I
I
personally
feel
that
it
wouldn't
it
would
help
us
to
have
the
center
for
policing
equity
be
a
part
of
our
process.
It
doesn't
have
to
be
humongous
part
of
the
process,
but
I
think
it'll
help
us
moving
along
and
I
think
it's
the
perfect
time
to
do
it
as
you're
rebuilding.
This
is
a
key
moment.
You
know
to
sort
of
have
a
little
extra
help
here
and
there
and
I
also
understand
your
point.
Thank
you.
G
B
B
So
I
believe
that
we
as
a
commission,
are
going
to
continue
to
to
push
for
this
and
just
want
to
articulate
that
and
and
be
clear
that
this
is
part
of
the
CNA
recommendations
is
to
do
this.
The
other
thing
I
wanted
to
ask
Chief
is
the
the
drug.
The
increase
in
stolen
vehicles
looks
pretty
extraordinary
to
me.
Do
you
have
a
sense
that
this
is
a
ring
of
people
that
are
engaged
in
this?
You
have
a
sense
of
of
what's
what's
behind
this.
J
Rise,
no
I
I.
Don't
believe
that
it's
organized
in
the
way
that
the
word
ring
sort
of
indicates.
I
do
believe
that
we
have
a
number
of
people
who
are
recidivists
and
and
do
this
again
and
again.
Officers
on
the
street
will
tell
you
that
people
who
have
been
routinely
found
in
stolen
vehicles
and
possession
is
still
in
vehicles
around
stolen
vehicles.
J
Prosecution
of
them
is
is
difficult
and
we
are
are
trying
to
work
on
that.
I
think
a
big
part
of
the
dip
in
burglaries
that
we
saw
in
2018
2019
had
to
do
with
putting
away
certain
hardcore.
Recidivists
burglary
is
a
crime
that
is
committed
by
a
very
small
portion
of
the
criminal
World,
and
those
are
that
small
number
is
disproportionately
responsible
for
a
large
number
of
burglaries.
J
We
were
able
to
have
a
lot
of
those
folks
put
into
either
under
supervision
or
incarcerated,
and
that
is
what
drove
the
the
decrease
in
2018-2019
and
then
a
lot
of
those
people
were
released
owing
to
the
pandemic,
or
maybe
the
time
that
they
had
been
that
the
conviction
had
brought
with
it
was
was
served
and
we
saw
an
increase.
I,
don't
you
know
vehicle
theft,
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
trying
to
conflate
those
two
things
with
regard
to
the
actors?
J
I,
don't
know
that
there
is
automatically
a
sort
of
a
crossover
between
people
who
burgle
and
steal
cars
I.
Think
there's
some,
but
people
who
steal
cars
are
are
able
to
do
it
with
without
a
lot
of
consequence
right
now,
and
that
has
to
do
in
part
with
the
court
backup
the
courts
are
still
in
an
emergency
phase
owing
to
the
pandemic.
A
F
F
F
Why
some
people
feel
the
way
they
do
and
there's
reasons
for
that
and
I
think
I.
Think
if
you
do
a
disservice,
when
you're
not
being
honest
about
that
I
also
concerned
about
I've,
never
been
one
to
really
think
that
people
didn't
call
police
when
they
had
a
problem
any
more
than
that
previously
existed,
because
there
has
always
been
people
at
the
drop
of
a
needle
will
call
the
police
and
there's
always
been
people
who
will
never
call
the
police
unless
there's
a
dead
body
found
in
their
living
room.
F
So
there's
always
been
some
of
that.
I've
never
felt
a
particular
increase
in
that
until
the
last
I
would
say
two
to
three
months
now.
Part
of
it
is
some
of
the
responses
that
people
are
getting
when
they
call
for
help,
and
we
have
previously
talked
about
how,
when
people
are
being
told,
for
example,
that
because
Sarah
George
isn't
going
to
prosecute
a
case
they're
not
going
to
bother
looking
into
something.
You
know
we
have
talked
about
that
several
times
before
you
have
advised
that
that
is
not
something.
F
Just
find
it
kind
of
egregious
I.
Also
you
to
your
point
about
the
court.
The
court
system
is
back
still
on
covid
protocols
going
through
August
that
affects
the
number
of
cases
that
can
get
through
the
court
system.
She
has
said
in
her
public
debates
that
she
is
pushing
more
stuff
toward
alternative
methods,
because
you
can't
get
the
number
of
cases
through
and
so
to
hear
that
there
are
officers.
F
You
know
I'm
just
really
concerned
I'm
just
really
concerned
about
that
type
of
rhetoric,
because
that
continues
to
damage
the
relationship
and
the
feeling
of
trust
that
the
community
has
toward
our
officers
when
they
make
comments
to
people
who
call
for
help
and
and
and
now
they're
getting
into
the
point
where
these
are
people
who
always
previously
supported
the
department.
And
now
their
feelings
are
changing.
F
J
J
You
have
seen
every
single
use
of
force
with
regard
to
reporting
on
it
and
also
with
regard
to
the
ability
to
view
them
when
you've
asked
I,
I
I'm
hesitant
to
to
talk
about
sort
of
General
ideas
about
there
is
this
or
there
is
that
and,
and
part
of
that
is
that
I?
Don't
think
that
you
know
when
we,
when
we
talk
about,
we
all
need
to
do
better
or
something
I
I.
J
Those
who
suffer
the
brunt
of
the
world's
problems
do
not
share
an
equal
burden
with
those
who
cause
them
and
day
in
and
day
out,
I
believe
that
my
officers
bear
the
brunt
of
our
society's
problems.
I
think
they
take
them
on
I
think
that
they're,
obviously
people
who
experience
them
in
a
lived
way
every
single
day
and
I'm,
not
comparing
what
my
officers
do
to
that,
but
they
experience
them
and
encounter
them
every
day
and
they
do
not
cause
them.
They
inherit
them.
J
So
here
in
Burlington
at
least,
they
do
not
share
an
equal
burden
with
those
who
cause
the
problems,
be
they
systems
or
entities
or
on
a
case-by-case
basis.
Individual
people
and
their
behavior
now
I
think
that
the
profession
as
a
whole
both
currently
and
definitely
historically
does
own
the
burden
of
of
many
problems
that
are
and
and
own
disproportionate
role
as
the
author
of
many
of
those
problems.
J
But
we
don't
see
that
here
in
Burlington
on
an
incident
level
data
and
this
body,
the
commission
has
not
identified
that
either
in
in
the
majority
of
incidents
that
we
see
and
that
we
look
through.
And
so
that's
one
issue
when,
when
you
say
that
there
are
biased
officers
in
the
department,
I
think
that
that
is
a
troubling
thing
to
say,
particularly
when
it's
not
accompanied
by
something
more
specific
I.
J
The
road
I
think
that
it
to
claim
that
officers
are
interfering
with
an
election
is
a
very
problematic
thing
to
say.
I
think
we
have
a
I
know
that
we
have
a
rule
that
prohibits
that
I
have
articulated
that
rule
internally.
With
regard
to
what
the
bpoa
says,
they
are
a
union,
they
have
free
speech
and
they
can
say
what
they
want
to
say.
I
do
not
have
control
over
that
Union.
C
B
F
Do
want
to
say
I'm,
sorry,
but
I
will
I
really
insist
on
saying
one
thing,
because
I
do
disagree
with
a
lot
of
what
he
just
said,
but
I
do
insist
on
saying
one
thing:
he
keeps
saying
how
we've
reviewed
the
incidents
as
if
we
have
agreed
that
things
that
we
have
seen
in
all
the
incidents
are
Justified,
and
that
is
not
the
case
and
I
need.
That
said,
for
the
record,
thank
you.
G
Susie
I
I
first
want
to
say
I
appreciate
the
candor
that's
happening,
because
I
think
it's
very
important
second
thing
I
want
to
say
is
on
another
subject
which
is
going
back
to
the
the
automobile
thefts
which
I
also
noted
was
extraordinary
in
comparison
to
past
periods
of
time
and
I'm
wondering
is:
is
there
a
website,
as
a
police
department,
have
a
website
or
a
Facebook?
You
know
kind
of
page
that
lists
cards
that
are
still
that
have
been
stolen.
G
The
reason
I'm
asking
is
just
we
had
a
car
in
our
street
that
sat
there
for
maybe
eight
or
nine
days,
and
we
didn't
know
it
was
nobody
that
we
knew
no
one
came
in
or
out
of
the
car
and
what
I
would
like
to
have
done
if
there
was
some
place
to
do.
It
was
to
just
say
this:
this
license.
Plate
number
is
sitting
right
here
been
sitting
here
for
a
week
or
two.
So
that's
all
I
want
to
say
succinctly,
Stephanie
sure.
J
So
we
we
don't
have
a
way
of
doing
that
online
and
I
would
be
reluctant
to
publish
license
plate
information
that
could
lead
to
somebody
else
online.
What
we
would
do
is
is
that
report.
If
that
were
made
to
dispatch,
we
absolutely
would
send
somebody
to
It
Maybe
not
immediately,
but
somebody
to
check
on
it
and
dispatch
itself
would
run
that
license
plate
and
determine
whether
or
not
it
was
stolen.
G
J
I
mean
the
process
is:
is
9-1-1,
commissioner?
It's
it's
a
matter
of
of
calling
9-1-1
and
saying.
There's
a
suspicious
vehicle.
That's
been
parked
there
for
quite
some
time
and
here's
the
license
plate
and
that
that
would
engender
a
check.
That
would
be
that
would
determine
whether
or
not
it
was
stolen.
K
A
K
K
For
braiding
me
to
the
agenda,
I
really
appreciate
it.
I'm
gonna
share
my
screen
shortly
and
I'm
not
great
to
be
honest,
with
keeping
track
of
people
or
physically
raising
their
hands.
So
I'm
not
sure
how
how
you
operate
in
this
meeting
in
terms
of
like
calling
on
people,
but
you
might
you're
feel
free
to
interrupt
me.
Basically.
A
K
So
in
total,
I
have
about
about
eight
years
of
experience
in
working
with
the
refugee
populations
in
Manchester,
New
Hampshire
and
then
here
in
the
Burlington
area
and
I
currently
still
work
at
uscri
as
a
case
aide.
So
it's
more
per
diem
work
now,
but
I'm
still
involved
in
the
organization
and
then
some
more
background
when
I
was
in
college.
I
studied
Arabic,
so
I
like
technically
know
how
to
read
and
write.
K
K
After
I
started
here,
a
lot
of
it
is
observations
from
working
in
the
field
for
the
past
eight
years
from
other
interpreter
trainings
that
my
colleagues
at
uscri
have
given
to
local
service
agencies
and
then
research
that
I've
done
on
my
own,
because
I
really
like
learning
so
I'm,
constantly
trying
to
keep
up
with
what's
going
on
and
how
to
best
support
the
communities
and,
what's
going
on
internationally
as
well.
Okay,
sorry
long
introduction,
all
right!
G
K
Yep,
okay,
great,
okay,
all
right,
okay,
so
working
with
interpreters,
and
so
this
is
also.
This
is
the
training
that
I've
been
given
giving
to
officers
during
roll
call,
and
so
I've
been
going
in
at
odd
hours
of
the
day
and
night
to
present
this
and
then
I'm
also
going
to
do
a
recording
of
it
and
we're
going
to
have
it
available
online
for
officers
who
have
missed
the
different
trainings
to
access
online.
K
So
these
are
things
to
consider
when
working
with,
especially
an
in-person
interpreter,
so
matching
genders.
This
is
not
again.
This
is
not
like
a
blanket
statement
for
for
all
cultures
or
all
people
who
represent
different
cultures
who
are
living
in
the
Burlington
area,
but
for
some
folks,
especially
if
it's
more
sensitive,
it's
more
sensitive
information
reading
the
body
language
and
seeing
maybe
I.
K
K
You
really
want
to
think
of
The
Interpreter
as
a
conduit
for
your
conversation,
so
they're
really
just
there
to
be
that
last
puzzle
piece
so
you're
able
to
have
that
interaction
with
that
person.
So
hi
my
name's
Anna
I
work
at
the
police
department
and
I'm,
a
social
worker
there
pause
and
that
way,
you're
getting
the
most
accurate
representation
of
what
you're
saying,
because
that's
the
whole
point
of
having
an
interpreter
there,
avoiding
idioms
metaphors
colloquialisms
that
we
use
in
our
everyday
speech.
K
If
an
interpreter
has
been
doing
the
job
for
a
long
time,
usually
they'll
have
something
already
interpreted
in
their
head
of
how
to
reword
that,
but
trying
not
to
use
the
vague
terms
is,
is
really
helpful
as
well.
So
you
want
to
be
as
direct
as
possible
because
that
can
also
be
really
confusing
for
The
Interpreter
speak
in
the
first
person.
So
it's
not
you're
not
saying.
Can
you
tell
her
that
I'm
here
to
help?
That's
not
what
you
should
be
doing.
K
You
should
be
having
a
direct
conversation
with
that
person
and
again.
That
interpreter
is
that
connector.
So
you
can
have
that
conversation,
but
talking
to
The
Interpreter
directly
to
then
interpret
is
not
is
generally
not
seen
as
appropriate
with
with
the
standards
and
then
also
a
side
note.
This
is
more
more
for
I,
guess,
resettlement,
world
or
interpretation
world,
but
generally
speaking,
interpretation
is
oral.
So,
if
you're
speaking
to
someone,
that's
interpretation,
if
it's
written
out,
it's
generally
referred
to
as
translation,
but
I've
seen
that
not
be
correctly
used
in
many
settings.
K
Their
sole
job
is
to
be
interpreting
and
they
can
be
the
best
interpreter
as
possible
if
they're
not
doing
things
like
driving
case
driving
clients
or
also
acting
as
their
case
manager.
So
when
I
Was
preparing
this
presentation,
I
actually
spoke
with
the
interpretation
and
Court
interpretation
and
translation
coordinator
at
uscri
right
before
she
left
and
she
basically
explained
it
like.
K
So
it's
really
important
that
if
someone
is
interpreting,
that
is
the
only
thing
that
they're
doing
understanding
systems
versus
how
the
community
understands
them
and
again.
As
another
reminder,
this
is
not
like
a
blanket
statement
that
every
single
person
and
every
Community
represented
is
thinking.
K
This
way
is
just
things
to
keep
in
mind
as
you're
interacting,
so
it's
it's
understanding
so
for
I
always
use
this
example
where,
when
I
was
a
reach
up
case
manager,
I
would
try
to
talk
about
the
benefit
system
or
Family
Services,
so
DCF
involvement
and
immediately
there
would
be
this
reaction
of
oh,
my
God
you're,
going
to
take
my
children.
My
Community
member
told
me
this,
and
so
you
might
have
to
explain.
Actually
this
is
how
this
is
how
this
process
works.
K
K
For
the
Swahili
speaking
Community
mangalaba
for
the
Burmese
speaking
Community
I've
noticed
immediately
shoulders
go
shoulders,
lower
people
smile
when
you
make
a
little
bit
of
effort
to
to
get
on
their
level
and
say,
like
I'm
I'm
making
this
effort
I
want
to
make
that
connection
with
you
and
then
try
to
avoid
side
conversations.
So
again,
if
The
Interpreter
is
there,
you
should
just
be
talking
with
that
person.
If
you
need
to
talk
with
someone
else,
let
the
person
know,
because
you
don't
want
to
confuse
The
Interpreter
as
well.
K
So
generally,
what
I've
seen
and
how
I've
tried
to
work
with
interpreters
in
my
direct
service
work
is
try
to
have
The
Interpreter
more
in
the
middle
and
that
way,
there's
that
easy
flow
of
conversation
and
where
someone's
not
craning
their
neck,
to
look
at
other
people
as
they're
talking,
okay,
working
with
phone
interpreters.
This
is
huge
and
something
that
I
realized,
especially
working
with
reach
up,
where
I
would
work
a
lot
more
with
phone
interpreters
as
opposed
to
an
in-person
interpreter.
K
If
someone
was
in
a
camp
in
Burundi,
they
might
have
more
French
or
Tanzania,
there's
going
to
be
some
French
but
more
English,
maybe
some
more
Arabic
words
thrown
in
there
and
so
I've
seen
this
happen
where
clients,
I'm
speaking
with
and
I,
have
an
interpreter
and
the
client
is
sitting
there.
Thinking
saying,
I
have
no
idea
what
they're
saying
or
they
keep
saying
yes,
but
there's
a
question
mark
or
they
have
to
keep
asking
The
Interpreter
to
clarify.
K
Please
let
me
know
it
is
very
okay
to
get
another
interpreter,
and
that
way
it
puts
that
power
back
with
them,
knowing
that
they
can
advocate
for
themselves
and
say
I
gotta,
I,
gotta
get
another
interpreter,
and
when
I've
done
that
in
my
role
as
a
reach
up
case
manager,
that
has
worked
where
I've
had
clients
say.
No,
that's
a
different
dialect
like
we
need
another
one
which
is,
which
is
nice
to
see
and
I
hope
that
other
people
do
it.
K
So
if
the
interpreter
and
the
client
are
having
a
back
and
forth,
then
that
means
that
you
don't
know,
what's
being
said
and
The
Interpreter
should
say
something
like
client
didn't
understand
what
I'm
saying
I'm
I'm
going
to
say
it
a
different
way
and
if
they
keep
going
back
and
forth,
then
it
is
also
your
right
as
being
part
of
that
conversation
to
stop
them
nicely
but
say
can
like
what
what
is
being
said.
Can
you
please
make
sure
to,
inter
just
interpret
what
I'm
saying.
K
Okay,
so
is
this
a
lot
in
Refugee
resettlement,
I'm
sure,
commissioner
Comfort
has
seen
this
a
bunch
as
well
the
iceberg
concept
of
culture
I'm
not
going
to
go
into
the
whole
thing,
but
it's
just
again
something
to
keep
in
mind.
So
when
you
respond
to
a
call
whether
you're,
a
social
worker,
a
victim
Advocate,
a
police
officer
case
manager,
whoever
it's
important
to
think
of
this
Iceberg
concept
of
culture
which
I
really
like
as
as
imagery.
So
what
we
see
on
the
surface
level
right,
it's
the
clothes.
K
We
wear
the
the
food
that
we
eat
the
language.
You
speak
the
celebrations
that
we
participate
in,
but
when
you're
working
with
someone
who
was
either
born
in
a
different
country
or
is
raised
in
a
multicultural
household,
there's
so
many
more
deeper
level
topics
that
we
just
don't
talk
about
same
thing
with
American
culture
or
Vermont
culture,
things
that
we
don't
really
think
about,
but
are
just
part
of
of
how
we
operate
and
if
you're
in
another
culture,
then
that
can
be
confusing
and
that's
where
it's
important
to
take
a
step.
K
However,
people
either
label
themselves
or
not,
but
if
they
have
that
Refugee
background,
just
remembering
the
roots
of
trauma
and
if
you're
a
police
officer
responding
to
a
call
looking
at
every
culture,
represented
at
least
to
the
folks
who
come
through
resettlement,
pretty
much
everyone
in
a
government
level
position.
Police
level
position
were
used
as
the
oppressor
in,
like
the
results
of
why
they're
now
in
in
the
U.S
as
there
is,
you
know
as
a
result
of
of
resettlement.
K
So
keeping
that
in
mind
and
and
taking
that
caution-
and
you
know
again
thinking
back
to
I'm
sorry
trying
with
the
introduction
and
really
trying
to
show
that
respect
and
try
to
gain
a
little
bit
of
that
trust,
because
there's
already
going
to
be
that
guard
up.
When
someone
looks
at
your
uniform,
that's
just
going
to
happen.
So
it's
what
can
we
do
to
try
to
build
that
trust
and
then
thinking
about?
Why
is
someone
reacting
this
way?
K
Refugees
are
mostly
in
cities,
but
specifically
in
Vermont.
It's
Camp,
so
there's
a
whole
life
of
like
living
with
scarcity
and
really
tight-knit
communities
and
relying
on
one
another
wholeheartedly.
Instead
of
more
of
the
authority
in
that
picture,
and
you
can't
just
come
to
the
Vermont
and
say:
okay,
I'm
done
I'm
good.
Now,
I'm
just
gonna
follow
all
these
systems.
K
I
even
like
I
have
a
really
good
friend
who's
Nepali
and
she
was
hesitant
to
talk
to
me
about
it.
Not
for
this
presentation,
it
was
a
while
back.
So
that's
again,
something
to
think
about
that
still
can
come
into
play
here
and
it's
not
again
not
a
blanket
statement
for
everyone,
but
something
to
think
about
Burma,
also
known
as
Myanmar
a
military
Junta
ruled
for
decades,
and
the
country
was
in
complete
isolation.
I
know
Burma's
been
in
the
news
a
little
bit.
K
Something
to
think
think
about
is
that
there
are
basically
like
two
major
are
groups
here,
so
there's
the
Burmese
and
then
people
who
speak
Korean
and
my
other
really
good
friend
who
is
Burmese
when
I
asked
him.
What
would
you
like?
What
do
you
think
that
the
police
really
should
know
he
said,
there's
three
major
religions
in
the
rubies
Community
here
and
basically
don't
talk
about
it
at
all
so
like
if,
for
some
reason,
religion
comes
up
like
don't
even
address
it,
because
there's
a
lot
of
contention
there.
K
Introduction
would
be
jumbo
habari
is
how
are
you
and
then
teacher
preacher
doctor,
so
my
burundian
co-worker,
who
is
pretty
much
a
leader
in
the
Congolese
Community
as
well,
was
saying
how
the
three
people
who
Congo
these
people
listen
to
the
most
is
their
teacher,
their
preacher
and
their
doctor.
So
you
might
be
their
case
manager
and
telling
them
something,
but
they
might
not
believe
it
until
one
of
those
three
people
talks
about
it
again,
not
a
blanket
Steven
Iraq
we've
seen
what's
been
going
on
just
basically.
D
K
The
news
American
invasion
in
2003
and
general
political
unrest
and
then
Somalia,
Civil
War
for
many
decades
Rebel
fighting
constantly
the
biggest
thing
to
keep
in
mind
with
the
Somali
population
is
that
there
are
two
major
ethnic
groups
here.
So
there's
like
the
general
Somali
population
and
then
the
Somali
Bantu,
the
small
Adventure.
You
speak
maimai,
which
is
spelled
as
you
can
see,
on
the
screen,
all
right
two
ways
and
that's
because
it's
an
oral
language.
K
It's
not
a
written
language
and
there's
a
lot
of
tension,
at
least
with
like
some
of
the
older
folks
in
the
community,
maybe
not
as
much
with
the
younger
folks.
But
basically
the
Somali,
been
to
like
the
historical
aspect
is
that
they
were
brought
up
as
slaves
from
Tanzania
to
Somalia
in
the
1800s,
and
so
there's
just
kind
of
that
right:
cultural
layer,
cultural
Iceberg.
So
it's
that
lower
level
of
there's
just
tension
between
those
two
groups,
but
again
not
not
entirely
new
neighbors.
K
We
have
coming
from
Afghanistan
again,
we've
been
seeing
what's
going
on
with
Afghanistan
in
the
news.
The
biggest
thing
to
note
right
now
with
Afghanistan
is
that
they
are
not
technically
refugees.
They
are
technically
part
of
the
Afghan
parole
assistance
program,
so
they
have
humanitarian
parole
here
for
two
years
and
then
they
can
apply
for
that,
but
they're
all
welcome
to
apply
for
Asylum.
K
So
that's
what's
happening
right
now,
uscri
was
able
to
hire
a
lawyer,
who's
been
helping
out
with
those
applications,
and
it's
really
slow,
but
but
she's
working
through
it,
which
is
really
great
and
the
Afghan
population
here
is
going
through
the
it's
it's
going
through
that
that
tough
part
of
being
a
new
population
represented
in
an
area.
So
many
of
the
Afghans
who
came
over
to
the
U.S
ended
up
in
the
Albany
area
because
they
were
already
a
refugee
site
for
Afghanistan,
but
here
in
Burlington
we're
a
new
Afghan
site.
K
So
there's
there's
a
lot
of
adjustments.
Languages
spoken
are
Pashto
and
Dari,
which
is
also
known
as
Farsi
and
then
lastly
Ukraine
so
what's
happening
with
Ukraine
in
terms
of
resettlement
and
potential
of
ukrainians
coming
to
the
Burlington
area.
Is
it's
essentially
a
sponsorship
program,
so
Ukraine
is
also
able
to
they.
Also
have
humanitarian,
parole
and
I
believe
are
able
to
apply
for
Asylum,
but
they
don't
have
access
to
reception
and
placement
Grant,
which
is
how
most
refugees
access
their
welcome
money,
which
is
pretty
a
pretty
small
amount.
K
But
so
basically
families
have
to
come
forward
and
say
that
they'd
like
to
sponsor
a
Ukrainian
person
or
you
can
Ukrainian
family
and
then
they
can.
Then
we
urge
them
to
reach
out
to
us,
so
we
can
get
them
connected
with
different
supports,
but
they
technically
don't
qualify
for
reception
and
placement
assistance
and
sorry
I
think
I'm
speaking
too
fast
and
then
quickly,
resettlement,
101
I,
don't
go
into
this
in
in
great
detail.
K
It
basically
is
just
showcasing
that
there
is
a
that
refugees
are
the
most
vetted
immigrants
coming
to
the
U.S.
The
average
wait
time
to
be
resettled
is
about
25
years,
if
you
research,
it
it'll,
say
17,
but
every
single
person
I've
talked
to
in
my
eight
years
of
doing
this.
They've
they've
waited
at
least
20
years
to
be
resettled
and
it's
a
very
rigorous
process
and
I
actually
need
to
amend
down.
Here.
It's
not
just
uscri
anymore.
K
K
Okay,
so
in
conclusion,
right
remember
to
talk
to
the
person
as
if
it's
just
you
it's
you
and
them
you
have
someone
who's
assisting
you
with
that
communication,
but
you
are
having
the
conversation
with
that
person.
Another
thing
to
consider
people
can
be
here
for
many
years
and
still
need
reminders
of
how
systems
work.
I
know
like
I,
don't
know
how
many
systems
work
now
and
I'm
always
asking
questions,
don't
make
assumptions.
K
So
don't
you
know,
don't
make
assumptions
about
well
I
heard
about
this
culture
or
that
because,
like
I
said
throughout
this
presentation,
this
is
not
like
a
blanket
statement
for
all
cultures
or
for
those
specific
cultures.
It's
just
things
to
consider
and
then
introductions
go
a
really
long
way,
I'm
happy
to
talk
more
about
those
introductions
and
then
it's
okay
to
get
it
wrong,
be
open
to
feedback.
K
You
know
the
more
that
you
show
that
you're
open
and
that
you're
respecting
someone's
you
know
someone's
culture
you
wanted.
You
want
to
be
helpful
and
you
feel
that
it's
important
that
you're
making
this
connection,
the
more
trust
that
you're
going
to
build
with
that
Community
member
okay,
questions.
A
G
K
Thank
you,
yeah
and
I
I.
Try
to
announce
it
at
every
roll
call
that
like
and
I
work
at
uscria
too.
So
if
you
have
any
questions
or
need
any
input
or
you
want
me
to
get
connected
to
a
family,
I'm
happy
to
do
so
and
I
do
get
a
lot
of
officers
who
will
respond
to
a
call
if
I'm,
not
if
I'm,
not
working.
If
it's
in
the
middle
of
the
night
but
they'll
email
me
and
say,
hey
I
spoke
with
this
family
they're
in
a
poly
speaking
family.
K
F
F
A
A
K
So
my
plan
is
to
do
with
cape
and
they
we
also
our
department-
is
really
close
physically
as
well
so
like
Mary's
right
there
Bridget
is
literally
on
the
other
side
of
this
partition,
so
we're
all
talking
to
one
another
all
the
time,
and
so
that
information
has
all
come
out
and
they've
heard
me
practice
this
presentation
as
well,
but
yeah
there's
a
lot
of
that.
I
usually
am
the
go-to
person
just
because
of
my
background,
but
that,
but
that
is
on
the
agenda
to
get
it
out
to
all
staff.
K
K
A
A
All
right
all
right
moves
us
on
to
agenda
item
5.02,
which
is
a
discussion
on
the
police.
Commission's
annual
reports
and
I
know
I
think
we
circulated
out
just
kind
of
like
people
to
keep
this
in
the
back
of
their
heads.
Photos
came
up
here
today
and
I.
Think
I'll
give
the
floor
to
Stephanie
on
this
one,
because
Stephanie
and
Sharina
are
the
wordsmiths
of
this
group,
and
so.
B
Okay,
Shireen
feel
free
to
jump
in,
so
we
you've
seen
last
year's
report.
What
I'm
looking
for
is
your
suggestions
about
items
that
should
be
included
in
this
report
and
right
now.
Here's
what
I
have
a
summary
of
complaints
that
includes
the
acting
Chiefs
disposition
of
the
complaints
and
the
commission's
recommendation,
whether
they
coincide
or
not.
B
We
want
to
include
in
their
discussion
of
the
CNA
work
that
was
done
and
we
want
to
just
do
a
discussion
of
the
policy
revision
work
that
we've
been
working
on,
and
we
also
want
to
include
all
of
our
motions
and
I
I
should
say
our
emotions
and
resolutions
that
those
that
are
relevant
there
may
be
some
that
don't
fit,
but
by
and
large
we
should
include
those.
So
that's
what
I
have
so
far
and
I'm
open
I'd
ask
Shireen
if
she,
if
I,
missed
anything.
I
G
Well,
racial
disparities
comes
up
right
away
from
me
and
you
know
sort
of
thinking
about
how
do
we
continue
to
remove
these
issues?
Maybe
I'll
step
back
a
bit
and
say
how?
How
does
this
Commission
really
take
in
the
pulse
of
the
whole
community,
recognizing
that
you
can't
totally
constitute
a
whole
community,
there's
disparate
opinions
within
each
sector
of
each
Community,
smaller
Community,
within
the
larger
Community?
B
So
I'd
like
to
ask
that
thank
you
for
that.
It's
great
and
just
ask
that
you
hold
on
onto
that
for
goals
for
next
year.
Okay,
I'll
make
a
note
of
it
here,
but
I
think
that
goes
under
that
heading
and
appreciate
the
point
about
Reflections,
when
we
do
that
section,
we'll
we'll
draft
what
we
draft
and
we'll
circulate
it
to
everybody.
So
if
things
come
to
mind
in
terms
of
the
reflections,
don't
worry
there'll
be
another
opportunity
for
influence.
G
B
C
A
I
think
I
think
the
things
you
initially
brought
up
involved
by
Shireen
I,
think
production
cup
encompasses
I.
Think
a
pretty
healthy
report
and
I
think
covers
a
lot
of
the
bases,
at
least
the
parameters
that
we're
able
to
operate
under
and
I
also
do
like
Susie's
mention
of
kind
of
like
Reflections
on
yeah
Reflections
moving
forward
great.
B
I
B
B
I
E
To
cut
you
off
the
mission
at
heart,
we
went
through
last
last
year:
I
think
we
included
kind
of
a
summary
and
I
have
kept
track
on
on
my
end
for
for
this.
For
this
for
this
one,
so
it
will
be
similar
to
what
it
was
before,
similar
to
approximately
how
many
have
been
received
in
a
couple.
You
know
pulled
that
that
we're
able
to
use
in
the
actual
report-
not
you
know,
Anonymous,
stuff
or
whatever,
or
you
know
that
that
want
to
remain
anonymous.
I
G
B
E
A
Not
seeing
or
hearing
any
if
that,
moves
on
to
an
item,
5.03
commission
goals
for
the
upcoming
year,
so
posted
on
this
agenda
item
it
was
the
notes
was
from
the
ad
hocs
Phoenix
committee
that
Milo
and
I
were
part
of.
Basically,
that's
like
a
major
spreadsheet
of
all
the
recommendations
that
were
listed
in
the
CNA
report.
A
It
included
responses
from
the
chief,
the
union,
a
couple
counsel,
a
couple
of
City
councilors
myself
Milo
a
couple
community
members,
and
then
you
would
also
see
that
in
one
of
those
little
columns
was
kind
of
the
committee's
answer
to
like
how
to
invent
that
goal,
and
then
I
circulated
to
you,
which
ones
of
the
Matrix
pertain
to
policy
deposit
overall
particular
directives
which
that
is
our
purview
for
updating
and
reviewing
so
I
guess.
Well,
what
I
like
to
have
happen
here
is
kind
of
I.
A
Guess
we
all
kind
of
come
together.
Let's
a
few
things
that
we
like
to
have
come
happen
we'll
take
notes
of
it
all
and
kind
of
aggregate
them
as
to
what's
I
guess
highest
priority
and
what's
for
lack
of
better
words,
the
quickest
things
to
implement
and
like
I'm,
missing
anything
on
that
Steph.
If
you
want
to
drop
anything
I
missed
in
there.
B
I
think
we
want
to
do
this
room
and
ask
these
person,
you
want
to
identify
for
goals
and
then
once
we
have
that
we're
gonna
come
back
and
ask
for
your
priorities,
so
you
can
list
whatever
you'd
like,
but
it
may
be
that
we
have
a
list.
That's
too
long
for
one
year,
so
we'll
have
to
go
back
and
do
a
second
round.
So
again,
I'm
gonna
go
around
the
room
and
I'm
going
to
take
notes
to
Shannon
Mohammed,
just
to
make
sure
we're
all
set
here.
G
My
first
thing
is,
you
know,
sort
of
a
deepening
of
our
administrative
structures
and
a
review
of
them
with
the
idea
of
transitions
coming
up
in
the
coming
year,
so
that
we,
you
know
and
also
we've
moved
around,
and
several
people
have
moved
around
in
terms
of
their
responsibilities
and
a
revisit
of
the
different
position
descriptions
with
much
more
detail.
So
that
would
be
easy
for
someone
else
to
step
into,
but
much
easier
than
it
has
been
in
the
past.
You're.
G
G
And
the
second,
my
second
goal
is
to
open
up
different
Community
conversations
about
policing
and
a
side
note
to
that
is
thinking
of
some
kind
of
a
tagline
for
Burlington
Police
commission
cooperating
or
collaborating
in
reimagining
community
safety,
or
something
like
that,
so
that
where,
where
that
in
itself
is
showing
a
transition,
which
is
something
we've
been
working
at
for
a
while
in
terms
of
helping
the
larger
Community,
understand
more
about
what
we're
doing
a
little
thing.
So
to
speak
and
I'm,
not.
F
F
F
Ted
Kenny
has
made
it
very
clear
that
if
he
wins
the
election,
pre-textual
stops
will
return,
they
will
return
to
Burlington
and
if
we
don't
have
confidence
that
continue,
training
is
being
done.
We're
going
to
be
in
a
bad
way.
Community
engagement,
I
really
would
think
it'd
be
beneficial
for
us
to
somehow
make
sure
that
at
least
one
of
us
is
taking
time
to
go
to
the
mpa
meetings.
I
think
we
really
need
to
get
ourselves
out
there.
F
I
think
we
need
to
be
working
on
getting
up
the
views
of
the
of
our
meetings
and
engaging
with
people
directly
and
I
think
we
should
also
troubleshoot
ways
for
the
Department
to
do
community
engagement
at
this
time.
In
light
of
everything
else,
that's
going
on
I'm
I'm
really
kind
of
demoralized
about
that.
But
you
all
know
that
I.
F
B
I
A
A
So
the
fact
that
I
think
that
we
were
looking
at
were
identified
as
the
airport
kind
of
makes
why
I'm
sorry
I'm,
my
guess
at
English
language
is
not
great.
Today
sorry
I
was
happy
I'll,
I
guess
I
was
pleased
when
I
saw
that
scene
airport
I'd
Identify
some
of
the
things
that
we're
already
looking
at
and
I
would
love
to
see
to
get
to
see.
Some
of
these
things
done.
A
Some
of
the
department
updates
will
definitely
take
a
long
time
to
do,
but
some
of
them
are
much
much
easier
and
quicker
to
to
update
and
Implement.
So
I
I
would
really
hope
that
we
could
knock
out
I'd,
say
dare
I,
say
at
I've
met
half
of
the
directors
I
think
are
listed
in
the
student
airport.
We
updated,
if
not
all
of
them,
but
at
least
half
of
them
up,
if
you
could
tackle
half
of
them
I'd,
be
very
very
pleased
with
that.
D
Hi
yeah
I,
just
I
I,
had
sent
some
thoughts
in
an
email
to
to
the
to
our
to
the
rest
of
the
commissioner,
so
I
I
think
we
can
look
at
that
just
to
quickly.
To
summarize
I
I
I
was
encouraged
to
hear
the
the
chief,
the
acting
Chief
state
that
the
CNA
report
really
is
a
sort
of
a
road
map
for
rebuilding
and
and
I
I.
Think
that's
that's
important
thing
to
take
on
board.
It
is
a
very
in-depth
report.
D
It
can
be
overwhelming
at
times
trying
to
work
through
it.
So
I
I
tried
to
focus
on
more,
maybe
subject
matter,
as
opposed
to
just
you
know,
going
through
an
entire
list
of
policies
or
directives,
and
so
looking
at
the
report,
what
I
felt
ran
through
many
of
the
different
sections
of
the
report
is
use
of
force.
D
D
D
So
just
sort
of
summarize
my
comments
looking
at
I
think
the
Continuum
of
recommendations
from
policies
directives
to
training
to
where
use
of
force
touches
on
other
things
like
interaction
with
persons
with
disabilities,
I
think
kind
of
looking
at
that
a
little
bit
holistically
and
kind
of
focusing
on
that
and
those
aspects
of
the
report,
its
recommendations,
so
I
would
focus
on
use
of
force.
I
would
Echo
with
commissioner
Hart
said:
I
think
having
a
systemic
way
of
collecting
processing
and
Reporting
on
complaints.
D
I
think
that
is
essential
if
the
commission
is
going
to
do
Outreach
to
the
community.
I
think
part
of
that
is
encouraging
community
members
to
to
vocalize
I
I
think
you
know
there
are
indications
on
social
media
that
there
is
some
real
concerns,
but
I
think
what
we
heard
in
the
discussion
today
when,
when
it's
kind
of
left
at
the
level
of
feelings
and
subjectivity,
it's
hard
to
get
traction
on
what
to
be
done.
D
So
there
were
some
recommendations
in
the
CNA
report
and
look
forward
to
discussing
that
further
and
lastly,
I
do
feel
that
the
the
Senate
the
CPE
is
a
is
a
really
important
partnering
opportunity
and
I
would
I
would
liken
it
to
what
what
the
commission
is
doing
with
Nicol,
where
they're,
where
we're
learning
from
peers
who
are
doing
citizen
oversight.
I
think
with
CPE
offers,
is
an
opportunity
for
law
enforcement
to
learn
from
other
law
enforcement
agencies
and
I.
D
Think
the
the
CPA
offers
that
that
opportunity
to
partner
and
I
do
feel
it's
not
adding
a
layer
on
CNA
report.
I,
don't
think
I
think
what
the
CPE
can
do
is
provide
opportunities
to
actually
Implement
CNA
recommendations,
so
I
I
didn't
I
think
rather
than
adding
to
the
burden.
I
think
it
can
actually
reduce
it.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you
that
was
excellent
and
I'm
going
to
add
a
few
things.
Myself
I
think
it's
useful
for
us
to
identify
in
our
notes
and
for
the
public,
the
policies
that
are
mentioned
in
the
CNA
report,
and
so
for
the
sake
of
Muhammad
and
Shannon
I'm,
going
to
say
this
a
little
bit
slowly,
dd1,
1,
3,
14,
40
and
43.
B
are
the
directives
that
we
would
like
to
work
on
and
I.
Think
that
commissioner
gamache's
point
that
if
we
do
half
that
would
be
good
I
think
we
should
have
some
reasonable
expectations
there
I'm
adding
to
the
list
the
press
release
policy.
This
is
something
we've
discussed
and
I
won't
say
that
it's
a
high
priority,
but
to
add
it
to
the
list.
B
In
addition
to
this,
as
you
all
recall,
from
incident
earlier
this
year
and
a
recommendation
from
the
city
attorney
was
that
the
commission
could
in
fact
develop
a
policy
to
require
a
citation
rather
than
an
arrest
under
certain
conditions
when
there's
no
threat
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
So
I
think
that's
a
policy
that
we
want
to
pursue.
B
So
it's
a
new
policy.
If
you
will
so,
we
might
just
combine
those
two:
the
press
release
policy
and
the
citation
policy
as
as
new
policy
development
and
I've
added
commissioner,
keeps
recommendation.
I'm
going
to
suggest
I
have
the
list
in
front
of
me
I,
don't
know
that
there's
an
easy
way
to
I
guess
I
could
share
it
with
you.
I
can
share
my
screen.
B
So
actually
I
would
say
that
that
all
goes
together
as
number
one
here:
CNA
recommendations,
racial
disparities,
the
complaint
response
process,
new
policy,
development
and
use
of
force.
Let
me
ask
this
list
is
shorter
than
I
thought,
which
is
not
a
bad
thing,
and
so
what
I'd
like
to
ask
is
if
anybody
believes
that
we
should
develop
a
priorities
here,
Beyond
should
we
identify
which
are
our
priorities,
or
should
we
go
with
these.
B
B
F
C
F
B
F
B
A
B
Okay,
I,
what
I've,
what
I've
done
is
I've
I,
I,
okay,
I'm
gonna,
just
suggest
that
the
one
that
is
maybe
the
lowest
priority
is
number
seven
use
of
force.
Let
me
say
this:
for
those
who
are
not
familiar
with
this
is
that
the
state
developed
its
own
use
of
force
policy
that
all
agencies
are
required
to
adopt
and
I've
asked
a
question
of
the
City
attorney
as
to
whether
Burlington
can
in
fact
adopt
Le
additional
language.
B
If
not,
the
use
of
force
policy
is
essentially
determined
at
the
state
level,
so
I'm
going
to
just
leave
that
at
the
bottom
of
the
list.
If
you
don't
mind,
commissioner
Keith,
until
we
get
clarification
on
that,
so
if
that's
the
case,
one
through
six
would
be
our
top
goals
for
this
coming
year
and
with
regard
to
number
one,
certainly
we
could
do
as
much
work
as
possible,
but
with
an
expectation
that
we
have
completed
at
least
half
of
these
directives.
G
I
I
was
actually
gonna
just
reflect
on
inductive
versus
deductive
kinds
of
inquiries
or
processes,
if
I'm
a
social
worker.
So
we
always
think
about
bottom
up
so
to
me
that
the
first
thing
would
be,
you
know,
sort
of
being
in
the
community
in
various
parts
of
the
community
and
having
open
kinds
of
discussions.
I'm
not
I'm,
not
pushing
my
point
of
view,
I'm
just
noticing
the
difference.
G
G
A
7.01,
it
used
to
force
incident
report
all
right
so
view
Sports.
The
use
of
force
report
was
posted
on
the
board
docs.
When
the
meeting
was
announced,
I
hope
everyone
was
able
to
review
it
and
if
there
was
any
incidents
that
stuck
out,
please
make
note
of
it
and
I'll.
Please
mention
it
now
and
I'll
send
that
to
one
of
the
deputy
Chiefs
foreign.
B
H
H
We
try
to
use
to
minimize
that,
although
that's
not
always
a
guarantee,
it
might
be
something
where,
as
we
go
in
the
future,
if
we
do
use
of
force
trainings
and
different
people,
you
want
to
attend
or
something
you
might
be
able
to
get
more.
A
better
explanation
with
a
more
Hands-On
view
of
different
techniques
that
we
teach
for
something.
Maybe
in
the
future.
H
You
know
I
think
just
about
anything
we
can.
We
can
try
to
do
within
reason.
We
would
obviously
have
to
discuss
quick
time
set
up
and
then
kind
of
look
at
you
know
a
very
basic,
almost
like
a
pre-basic
breakdown
of
certain
techniques
and
and
different
things
that
we
use
kind
of
a
ground
level,
explanation
of
different
things,
but
I
think
that's
something
we
could
probably
do
in
the
future.
Great.
B
C
H
B
B
Rusty's
mental
status,
the
Burlington
Fire
Department
was
called
and
he
was
taking
to
UVM
Medical
Center
ER
for
an
evaluation
and
later
reduced
re
released
into
BPD
custody.
What
does
that
mean?
Does
it
mean
that
the
evaluation
was
that
there
was
not
a
mental
health
issue
and
therefore
what
does
it
mean
that
he
was
in
BPD
custody.
H
So
I'll
speak
very
generally.
Obviously
don't
do
this
portion
of
the
use
of
horses,
Chief
lebreck,
but
that
in
my
interpretation
as
I
read
that
you
said
number
six
correct,
so
we
obviously
have
a
duty
to
care,
and
so,
if
we're
interacting
with
an
individual-
and
they
could
be
experiencing
several
different
things,
if
they
believe
that
that
individual
is
displaying
something
where
they
need
medical
attention,
we
literally
the
default
is
you're,
not
a
doctor.
You
call
for
BFD,
you
get
medical
evaluation.
H
If
BFD
determines
that
they
need
to
be
transported,
they
get
transported.
If,
in
fact,
that
person
the
arrestee
is
in
custody
because
they
were,
it
sounds
like
they're
in
our
custody.
We
would
go
up
to
the
hospital
and,
depending
on
what
those
Dynamics
look
like,
you
know
whether
we
have
to
stay
with
that
individual
or
that
individual's
Behavior
results
and
them
being
restrained.
When
they
do
get
released
from
the
hospital
and
are
cleared
from
a
physician,
we
would
still
maintain
custody,
bring
the
person
back
and
then
process
accordingly.
A
C
F
B
A
And
do
you
see
the
barge
I
believe
how
our
action
accounts
work,
so
we
all
have
axon
accounts.
We
can't
see
everything.
We
can
only
see
what
gets
put
into
our
accounts.
I'm,
not
sure
how
that
works
on
your
end,
but
in
the
last
minute
stays
there
for
three
days
and
then
it
and
then
it's
removed
just
for
some
background
information
on
their
accent,
accounts.
I
Yeah,
thank
you,
I
just
wanted
to
highlight
for
commissioner
key
just
said.
Jabu
would
do
with
days
that
it's
available
to
us
on
this
axon
account
see
that
we
have
to
get
a
separate
account
for
that,
and
also
mine
are
going
to
spam.
If
there's
any
way,
we
can
get
an
email
telling
us
when
these
are
uploaded.
Just
a
separate
email,
then
I'll
know
to
go
into
my
spam
and
look
because
otherwise
I
just
completely
missed
these,
so
I
hate
to
put
that
added
burden
on
and
I'll
try
to
fix
it.
A
A
E
Clerks,
which
is
a
division
that
tends
to
sometimes
get
overlooked
in
their
massive
amount
of
Duties
that
they
have
in
our
department,
and
this
woman
writes
that
one
of
our
clerks
possessed
excellent
customer
service
attention
to
detail
a
lot
of
patience
and
that
she
made
the
entire
process
of
dealing
with
the
records
department
very
seamless.
She
also
notes,
by
way
of
our
entire
record
staffs.
E
A
All
right
moving
on
to
agenda
item
9.01,
commissioner
updates
or
comments-
and
this
is
the
time
of
the
meeting
where
any
Commissioners
can
post
a
greater
question,
make
a
comment
or
an
update
to
us
or
public
got
large
that
wasn't
necessarily
covered
or
or
was
an
agenda
item.
So
with
that.
Oh,
the
floor
is
open.
F
F
F
I
am
in
ward,
3.
I
have
lived
in
Wards
two
and
three
for
most
of
my
almost
40
years
here
in
Burlington,
so
I'm
driving
by
every
day,
biking
walking
where
these
things
are
happening
and
I'm
having
these
conversations
in
my
community.
So
this
is
something
that
is
really
really
hitting
me,
because
I'm
I'm
I'm
feeling
what
my
community
members
are
feeling
you
know
we
are
seeing
a
lot.
G
A
G
A
A
B
Always
hard
at
these
meetings,
who
think
about
the
next
meeting,
commissioner
Gamache
and
I
talked
about
then,
and
commissioner
heart
talked
about
us
developing
the
agenda
a
full
week
in
advance,
so
that
would
mean
I,
don't
know
August
16th.
We
would
be
reaching
out
to
you
to
see
if
anything
else
has
come
up
that
you
would
like
to
see
on
the
agenda.
A
Dare
I
say
maybe
maybe
even
before
that
because
I
feel
like
usually
we're
done
together
on
the
16th,
and
we
always
have
this
problem,
so
maybe
we're
respecting
I
know
it's
a
short
turnaround
between
this
between
the
next
meeting
but
I
guess
we'll
reach
back
out
next
week,
either
Wednesday
or
Thursday
to
kind
of
re-job
this
one.
So
we
can
get
the
agenda
I
guess
hopefully
finalize
by
the
17th
ideally
does
that
work?
Does
that
sound
good
and
Susie
I
see
your
hand
list
I.
G
G
B
I
think
that's
a
task
that
a
commission
can
take
along.
That
is
that
this
would
be
a
commissioner
would
step
up
and
say
that
they
would
handle
determining
what
those
educational
components
would
be
solicit.
Impact
input
from
the
Commissioners
organize
connecting
with
the
person
that
we
invite
and
so
forth.
So
rather
I.
Don't
think
that
that
I
think
the
chairs
have
enough
to
do,
and
so,
if
a
commissioner
would
take
that
on,
that
would
be
great.
B
I
I'm
wondering
if
maybe
next
month,
one
of
the
things
we
do
is
we
have
this
well,
it's
this
month
right,
it's
this
month,
yeah
one
of
the
things
that
we
do
is
we
take
the
list
of
identified
goals
and
talk
about
how
we're
going
to
get
them
done
in
terms
of
who,
and
that
would
be.
One
of
them
is
just
having
folks
indicate
what
interests
them
in
taking
on.
C
B
I
have
an
item
so
sorry
we
will
hear
from
our
attorney
Anthony
erpino
on
the
implications
of
the
new
bpoa
contract
for
the
work
that
we
do
so
he
will
be
reviewing
that
and
we,
he
indicated
that's
a
discussion
for
public
session
rather
than
executive
session.
So
we
can
put
that
on
the
list.
If
he's
available
for
that
meeting,
foreign.
A
Things
right
there,
it
seems
pretty
healthy,
but
with
that
being
said,
anything
else,
pops
up
with
anybody
else,
I'll
be
reaching
out
next
next
Wednesday
Thursday
to
see
if
there's
any
anything
else
that
people
want
to
address
or
talk
or
is
put
it
in
the
queue.
Thank
you
all
right
and
next
is
anticipated
recession,
which
there
will
be
an
executive
session
and
with
that
via
provision.
One
VSA,
313
A4
I
make
a
motion
to
enter
executive
session
to
discuss
possible
disciplinary
issues
with
regress
to
officers.
A
G
A
We
Cottage
we've
kind
of
changed
the
last
couple
months
because
Kevin
Kevin's
job
Kevin
got
a
new
job
and
he's
only
available
on
those
nights
that
that
we
have
the
meeting
students
overnight
work,
and
so
it's
okay,
okay,
yeah
yeah!
Sorry!
Apologies
on
that!
So
sorry,
any
further
discussion
on
the
motion
on
the
floor.
D
A
That
passes
unanimously
to
everybody
in
the
public.
Thank
you
for
joining
with
us
and
being
here
with
us
today.
Our
next
meeting
will
be
on
the
leave
us
the
20,
the
23rd
of
August,
that
will
be
a
remote
meeting
and
then,
hopefully,
after
that
you
will
move
to
a
hybrid
setting.
So
if
you
want
to
join,
if
I
assume
you
can,
if
I'll
be
there
pretty
soon,
you
can.
A
But
yes,
so
thank
you
for
joining
in
for
everyone
here
on
the
commission,
you
believe
you
should
have
a
zoom
link
for
investigation
in
your
email
box
and,
let's
reconvene
in
five
minutes,
so
that
makes
it
8
46,
so
I'm
gonna
use
the
bathroom
enough
everybody
in
the
public.
Thank
you
very
much
for
being
here
with
us.
Have
a
good
night
and
everybody
else,
I'll
see
you
in
about
five
minutes.