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A
B
A
They
are,
and
they
are
both
staff
members,
so
seeing
no
one
I
am
going
to
close
the
public
forum
and
welcome
the
mayor
and
we
are
ready
for
item
3.1
mayor
so
Jeff
and
Chapin.
If
you
want
to
come
up
and
talk
to
us
a
little
bit
about
authorization
of
parking,
Revenue
financing.
D
's
been
director
of
Department
traffic
and
we're
here
tonight
seeking
approval
to
enter
into
a
750
000
bond
to
pay
for
repairs
into
downtown
garage
and
the
marketplace
garage.
D
C
D
B
E
C
Life
of
what
you
need-
and
you
know
okay,
five
years-
you're
not
going
to
start
repeating
this
until
the
fear
three.
So
that's
a
and
I
wonder,
is
the
reason
why
you're
doing
that
because
you
don't
have
the
funds
or
you
wanted
to.
C
So
I
mean
I,
think
that's
you
know,
Germaine
issue
as
to
you
know,
obviously
you're
planning
for
years
that
are
far
into
the
future,
so
I'm,
assuming
that
you
have
a
plan
or
if
there
is
something
else,
that's
being
retired
or
something
that
would
I.
Don't
know
that
would
give
you
the
resource.
I
believe
that
250.
D
D
Mr
President
Paul,
if
you
see
at
the
end
of
the
memo,
did
I
miss
everything
about
it.
It
is
in
there
and
I
think
it's.
It
goes
to
your
question,
which
is
that
I've
asked
Jeff
and
Chapin
to
come
back
in
which
of
the
next
three
or
six
months,
with
a
basically
a
plan
to
ensure
that
they
that
this
is
I
plan
to
issue
that
they
will
be
able
to
pay
it
off
on
this
schedule.
D
This
is
an
area
where
some
degree
we
control
the
the
future
revenues
through
policy
decisions
that
we
make,
and
it's
been
many
it's
been
quite
a
few
years
now,
since
there
have
been
really
adjustments
to
policy
or
race
that
could
generate
additional
revenues,
which
they're
reluctance
to
do
that
for
I.
Think
you
know
good
reason
during
the
during
the
pandemic.
D
Immediate
years
after
we
probably
you
know,
we
may
well
need
to
make
some
decisions
in
the
future,
such
as
you
know
something
that's
been
answered
for
years
since
we've
been
tested
for
doing
it,
we
don't
charge
anything
in
the
garage.
It's
on
Sundays,
that's
the
kind
of
policy
that
they
need
to
be
reevaluated
against.
The
revenues
don't
recover
kind
of
organically
on
their
own
and
there
are
other
other
decisions
like
that
that
are
within
our
control.
D
So
this
gives
us
five
years
to
to
figure
this
out
and
I've
asked
for
a
report
that
we
would
present
to
you
and.
C
C
I,
don't
know
it
just
seems,
I
mean
I
understand
that
that
was
a
bond
counselor.
You
know
that
was
the
recommendation.
C
C
D
Understand
your
perspective
and.
D
I
I
think
it's
worth.
This
is
probably
the
area
of
the
city's
finances
or
hidden
most
heavily
and
permanently
by
the
pandemic.
We
just
haven't
seen.
D
B
D
Certainly,
people
are
coming
into
work
less,
that's
one
of
the
major
Revenue
drivers
of
of
the
garage.
So
this
is
an
area
where
you
know
we've
really
been
dealing
with
both
many.
You
know
a
long
list
of
deferred
maintenance
to
address
as
well
as
kind
of
these
large
larger
economic
forces.
D
I
agree
with
you
that
I
think
it's
really
important
that
we
follow
up
and
make
good
on
what
is
said
here
that
this
there
needs
to
be
a
plan
that
comes
back
early
in
this
in
this
loan,
so
that
we
definitely
have
a
Way,
Forward
I.
Think
it's
a.
D
E
B
B
D
D
B
D
B
D
Seeing
let's
go
about
all
this
emotions
they
say
are
they
opposed
motion
carries
he
knows.
Thank
you.
B
To
work
through
the
pro
forma
and
assumptions
that
we
have
to
return
these
two
funds
to
help.
D
D
Okay,
we
have
two
more
items
on
this
special
or
Finance.
Meeting.
Item
number
two
is
annual
appropriation
and
budget.
Officially
here
in
July
1st
from
23
and
I
lived,
June.
D
And
then
we
will
talk
about
the
kind
of
companion
resolution
which
is
cleaning
tax
assessments.
How
the
the
board
like
to
proceed.
We
do.
We
have
a
PowerPoint
that
Catherine
has
prepared
for
the
full
Council
discussion.
It's
it's.
It's
I
think
entirely
made
up
of
information.
That's
been
shared
the
prior
person
or
more
presentations
with
the
board.
So
we
could
you
go
through
that
or
maybe
be
more
efficient
to
go
straight
to
any
comments
or
questions
that
the
board
would
like
to
make.
C
A
Is
a
combination
of
that
one,
and
one
from
the
first
of
June
to
kind
of
get
everyone
up
to
speed?
The
idea
is
that
the
three
of
you
and
counselor
Jang
have
been
along
for
this
journey
and
the
other
counselors,
maybe
not
so,
to
provide
like
a
full
overview
of
kind
of
where
we've
been
up
to
now.
But
it
is
all
I
just
took
slides
from
everything
you've
already
seen.
I
just
put
them
into
one
new
slide
deck,
but
I
did
not
create
new
content.
D
That,
okay,
then
so,
let's
My
Hope,
although
I
think
maybe
maybe
yeah
quite
remember,
that's
the
the
12th
budget
that
I've
been
responsible
for
I
I
a
great
majority
of
others.
The
board
of
Finance
has
taken
action,
making
a
recommendation
on
the
budget
when
we're
in
another
before
the
council
voted
I,
think
I
think
they're
happening
one
or
two
times
one
from
whatever
reason.
The
board
shows
not
to
do
that.
D
C
I
am
you
know
so.
I
have
that's
probably
everyone
knows,
and
certainly
anyone
on
Facebook
knows
I
did
have
a
period
of
time
where
I
was
not
as
I
typically
engaged
gently
in
the
processes.
I,
usually
due
to
circumstances
the
online
control
good
circumstances,
but
nevertheless
a
little
bit
more
challenging
and
certainly
try
to
keep
tabs
on
what
was
going.
I
did
not
see,
and
there
haven't
been
notes.
There
have
been
minutes
that
I've
seen
posted
for
the
July
and
the
June
12th
for
the
finance
meeting.
C
I
basically
went
off
the
conversation
like
having
people
about
that
every
day
and
then
also
the
PowerPoint,
which
was
pretty
much
unchanged,
I
mean.
Maybe
there
were
a
few
missing,
but
I
mean
I
think
it
was
mostly
the
same
I
guess
the
the
only
thing
that
I
will
say
is
that
I
I
don't
think
I've
ever
all
the
years
that
I've
served
by
the
CEO,
so
I,
don't
think
I've
ever
interacted
with
a
city
councilor
who
wants
to
vote
no
on
a
budget,
because
it's
a
it's
a
huge
document.
C
You
know
collaboration
compromise
I'm,
not
saying
that
I
I
laid
no
fault
in
with
any
one
person.
Any
two
people
I
take
responsibility
for
it.
Myself,
I
think
that
there
still
are
opportunities
just
within
the
normal
fluidity
of
an
entity,
the
size
that
there
is
two
hundred
and
ninety
thousand
dollars
that
over
the
course
of
this
year
would
present
itself
in
such
a
way
that
effectively
no
public,
no
Public
Safety,
no,
not
no
non-union.
No.
D
C
Non-Union
positions
are
affected.
All
of
the
principles
that
I
believe
you
would
put
out
in
the
narrative
could
still
be
honored
and
still
have
a
way
to
have
a
meeting
of
the
mind,
so
the
streets,
the
streets,
get
done
in
the
way
that
we
want
them
to
get
done
and,
and
people
feel
that
you
know,
taxes
have
not
that
we
have
done
the
absolute
even
further
best.
We
can
do.
C
A
budget
it's
hard
to
really
go
line
by
line
and
I
feel
like
doing
that
in
a
in
a
public
setting,
probably
isn't
fair,
because
some
of
them
are
either
vacant
positions,
positions
that
soon
become
vacant.
That
really
are
not
appropriate
to
talk
about
publicly
so
I,
don't
really
want
to
go
into
all
the
nuances.
I'll
give
you
one
example,
and
then
maybe
that
would
lead
to
some
sort
of
a
discussion
so
Catherine.
C
C
Thousand
twenty,
two
thousand
now,
of
course,
the
word
contingency
means
contingency.
That
means,
if
we
already
know
that
it's
going
to
happen,
it's
somewhere
else.
If
we
don't
know,
what's
going
to
happen
well,
we
don't
know
what's
going
to
happen,
so
we
certainly
have
to
plan
for
that.
This
year's
line
item
contingency
is
175
000,
which
begs
the
question.
If
it
was
a
hundred
thousand
last
year
and
we've
gone
through
an
entire
year,
we've
gone
through
three
years
of
incredibly
difficult
and
challenging
pandemic
uncertainties.
C
A
C
Can't
really
go
into
all
the
little
nuances:
I
I
started,
calculating
it
myself
and
even
based
on
one
month.
I
think
there
are
opportunities
to
at
least
go
half
of
that
of
the
290.
But
that's
me
as
someone
who
doesn't
know
all
of
the
intricacies
of
every
little
line
item
of
every
little
Department
of
reaping
Department
I,
can't
I
can't
pinpoint
all
of
that.
C
What
I
can
say
is
that
in
the
past
there
have
been
times
where
we
have
done
budgets
where
we
have
either
put
placeholders
in
knowing
that
over
the
course
of
a
of
a
year,
there
will
be
other
opportunities
in
an
80
million
dollar
budget
to
find
those
little
smaller
amounts
or
when
there
are
things
that
we've
really
wanted
to
do.
We
have
said
we
we
will
revisit
this
in
six
months
and
we
will
find
some
of
those
efficiencies
vacancies
attrition
whatever
they
may
be.
C
C
Don't
usually
legislate
in
this
way,
probably
if
I
had
been
here
on
the
12th
of
June
I
probably
would
be
saying
this
now
and
I'm
saying
it's
been
and
not
now
as
I
say,
I
know,
there's
only
a
couple
of
hours
here,
but
I
still
feel
that
we
should
at
least
have
that
opportunity
and
I
would
just
ask
you
if
you
think,
if
you
think
that
there
is
that
opportunity
in
a
way
that
we
could
find
a
meeting
of
the
minds.
So
that's
those.
B
You
can
comment,
first
of
all
responsible
sure,
always
appreciate
professional
training
and
find
a
way
for
us
to
come
to
a
compromise
and
be
able
to
go.
Yes,
and
you
know
sometimes
we're
just
not
going
to
get
there
and
I
have
a
hard
time
seeing
us
getting
there
in
the
two
hours
we
have
and
we're
likely
to
vote
on
the
budget,
finding
a
solution
that
we
couldn't
find
in
the
last
eight
weeks
of
these
conversations.
B
And
I
would
have
a
hard
time
trusting
that,
whatever
we
found
to
try
to
come
up
with
that
additional
money
without
raising
taxes,
I
would
have
a
hard
time
making
that
decision
without
knowing
the
following
impacts,
but
deciding
what
was
the
appointment
to
move
from,
and
so
I
appreciate
that
effort.
I
think,
at
least
from
my
perspective,
is
the
counselor
planning
to
vote
no
tonight
that
us
having
that
conversation
between
now
and
5
45
or
6
30.
Whatever
we're
discussing
the
budget
of
the
full
Council.
B
I
really
feel
comfortable
making
that
decision,
so
I
I
was
going
to
save
my
longer
comments
for
the
full,
Council
and
I.
Think
I
still
will
so
I
guess
I
will
just
leave
it
there
for
now.
D
Something
I
will
repeat
when
we're
upstairs
I
in
many
ways,
think
this
of
the
12
budgets
I've
been
responsible
for
was
the
most
difficult.
We
have
been
grappling
with
some
just
a
host
of
difficult
forces
and
issues,
many
of
which
were
sort
of
beyond
our
Direct
Control.
D
D
We
made
some
big
changes
to
our
programs
and
our
efforts
to
at
a
local
level,
address
equity
issues
in
Prior
budgets
and
took
on
the
challenge
of
phasing
that
out
over
three
years
and
we're
in
the
third
year
of
that
phase
out
of
the
last
year
that
there
was
some
federal
support
for
those
we've
kept.
D
Those
Equity
commitments,
high
and
federal
support
for
them
is
going
away
as
we
knew
it
would
that
had
to
be
absorbed
and
digested
in
this
budget
and
we're
also
trying
to
be
sensitive
to
our
constituents
who
face
Rising
costs
and
pretty
much
all
aspects
of
their
life.
We
don't
want
to
undo
make
city
government
a
few
additional
burdens,
so
with
all
those
constraints,
this
has
been
a
very
tough
budget
to
complete
I'm
I
think
we
can
even
I
think
there's
a
lot
to
present
Paul.
D
Your
point
I
think
there
is
a
lot
to
be
proud
of
and
excited
about
in
this
budget.
Despite
all
that
this
continues
to
Advance
the
city
Advance,
the
community
and
numerous
important
ways.
It
continues
our
efforts
to
rebuild
and
really
retool
the
police
department
and
improve
and
change
the
way
we
deliver
Public
Safety.
It
continues
our
major
commitment
to
improving
our
infrastructure.
It
continues
our
commitment
to
those
Equity
commitments.
D
D
Interventions
to
it's
the
first
time,
we're
able
to
you
know,
hear
something
play
so
we're
able
to
use
new
revenues
that
are
coming
to
us
from
the
opioid
settlements
and
deliver
progress.
You
know,
and
more
so
I
to
to
to
get
to
deliver
all
that,
while
also
overcoming
these
challenges.
D
We
we
have
had
to
which
very
hard
in
areas
and
really
push
up
to
the
edge
of
what
I
am
I'm
comfortable
budgeting,
for
we
are
one
of
the
complicated
projections
we
do
every
year
is
around
attrition
and
around
sort
of
to
your
point
person.
What's
gonna,
what's
gonna
happen
in
the
normal
course
of
business,
that's
going
to
end
up
saving
us
money,
because
positions
are
not
revealed
as
quickly
because
vacancies
come
up
and
we
have
really
pushed
those
assumptions.
D
For
example,
to
we've
doubled
our
attrition
numbers
in
many
departments,
from
what
we
have
in
the
past,
that,
in
the
face
of
that
and.
D
Knowing
how
challenging
it
has
been
to
control
Personnel
costs
and
since
the
pandemic,
because
of
our
challenges
competing
in
the
workforce
because
of
inflationary
pressures,
I
think
we
did
explain
this
somewhere,
we
did
feel
that
it
was
prudent
to
bump
back
up
the
contingency
number
from
100
275
000.
in.
D
D
It
is,
it
is
quite
a
small
contingency,
so
I
appreciate
the
sentiment
that
it
it
is
so
a
lot
of
the
budgets
of
the
last
12
years
have
been
unanimous
budgets
and
we
have
worked
hard
for
that
and
I
customer
I
did
have
some
Communications
over
the
past
week,
exploring
whether
there
was
a
way
to
come
to
a
meeting
in
mind.
D
We
haven't
gone
there,
yet
I'm
hearing
and
I
respect
a
year
since
then
you
talk
to
to
bridge
that
Gap
now
so
I
That's
my
kind
of
reaction
to
the
last
two
comments,
I
guess
and
I
I
guess
I-
would
hoped
that
with
counselor
McGee's
point
that
maybe
would
be
possible.
Are
we
in
a
position
to
make
a
recommendation
on
this?
On
the
subject
of
this
point,.
B
To
recommending
action
is
negative
to
recommend
that
the
recommend
the
budget
resolution.
B
That's
for
you
I'll
just
say
briefly
by
Florida
I,
don't
know
for
the
first
time
you
know,
I
I
recognize
that
we're
in
the
championship
and
I
recognize
that
the
future
budget
years
are
going
to
be
even
more
challenging
that
we
have
local
matches
on
a
number
of
instructor
projects
that
we
still
don't
have
a
funding
source
for
that
we
have
vehicles
to
need
replacing
the
Deferred
list,
that's
going
to
grow
even
longer
and
a
couple
years
with
purchase
moratorium
and
the
cost
of
living
increases
that
we
negotiated
as
far
as
part
of
the
Union
contract
will
also
add
additional
pressure
to
Future
budget
years
and
with
all
of
those
things
with
those
being
the
predictable
things
that
we
see
coming
at
us
in
the
future.
B
B
D
Thank
you
for
being
so
transparent,
calcium
under.
D
D
Number
of
counselors
here
we've
got
the
public
watching
I
want
to
make
sure
that
that
it's,
my
understanding,
I,
think
you
just
articulated
this,
but
we've
lost
your
vote
on
this
over
the
half
Ascent
increase
to
the
street
Stacks.
That
is
in
the
budget
that
is
before
you.
D
D
The
idea
is
to
engage
you
in
the
board
and
public
and
full
Council
in
our
thinking,
but
still
in
draft
form,
and
in
this
case,
after
viewing
the
street
work
that
was
going
to
get
done
in
the
coming
year
and
understanding
that
we
are
below
the
voter
approved
tabs
for
the
street
tax
by
a
couple
cents.
D
I
believe
we
started
discussing
in
really
in
response
to
counselor
feedback,
whether
that
there
might
be
some
and
really
understanding
that,
because
of
our
constraints,
the
the
street
patching
budget
was
going
to
be
very
limited.
This
year,
that's
when
this
discussion
of
additional
absent,
which
what
is
the
for
the
average
taxpayer,
the
just
again,
it's
clear
what
we're
talking
about
here.
It
is
just.
D
That's
and
you
know
it's
not
going
to
be
the
same
for
everybody.
That's
on
370
000
home,
because
that's
the
median
or
the
average
home
media,
the
median
home,
produce
most
recent
assessment,
and
you
know
what
what's
here's
the
difference
at
that
that
half
a
cent
is
getting
made?
Is
it's
going
to
to
see
engineer?
North
Baldwin
is
here
he
has
projected
with
the
initial
budget.
D
We
were
talking
about
there
being
a
approximately
450
000
deficit
in
our
catching
need
city-wide
for
the
upcoming
year,
and
with
this
change,
we'll
still
have
a
deficit
of
reduced
deficit
by
more
than
50
or
so
it'll
be
another
200
000
deficit
and
they'll.
Allow
us
to
get
more
capacity
done,
see
why
it
will
be
on
first
arterials
and
then
and
neighborhood
streets
is
the
kind
of
way
that
attaching
is
prioritized
to
basically.
B
Get
that
right,
our
Trail
streets,
collector
streets,
the
biggest
bang
for
the
buck
is
there
are
zero
streets
and
obviously
there's
a
secondary
review
that
relates
to
how
bad
of
a
condition
the
road
is
in
terms
of
the
volume
of
patches
needed.
So
it's
it's
our
best
way
to
kind
of
spreading
those
funds
to
the
specific
Target
need
so
that
we
have
serviceable
roads
come
springtime
through
the
winter.
I
think
that's
our
biggest
concern.
A
D
Mean
from
from
my
perspective,
well,
it
is
accurate
that
there
are
some
additional
cost
in
this
budget.
If
it's
passed
with
that
initial
half
cent
in
there
the
nature
of
the
patching,
the
patching
slows
the
generation
of
roads
and
it
it
is
an
attempt
to
is
a
preventive
maintenance
attempt
that
has
something
that's
been
in,
sustaining
the
assets
that
we
have
and
to
reducing
future
costs,
and
so
I
think
it's
at
least
debatable
whether
this
eliminating
this
half
cent
increase
would
actually
reduce.
D
Whether
that's
really
a
true
savings,
or
whether
it's
going
to
sort
of
be
result
in
future
costs,
I
think
it's
tough
to
totally
project
that
sitting
here
right
now,
but
that's
what
I'm
passing
is
intended
for.
That's
that's
the
way
we
will
spending
so
is.
D
It
was
a
little
lucky
that
we,
it
needs
a
separate
actions
and
then
you
know
what
would
happen
if
we
passed
one
and
not
the
other.
Suddenly
they
they
they.
They.
D
Bills,
if
you
will
so
I'm,
not
sure
that
we
need
further
discussion,
maybe
we
could
have
a
motion
on
that
as
well
sure
I'll
move
the
thank
you,
president
Paul
any
further
discussion.
D
B
A
Well,
former
Board
of
Finance
remember.
D
Or
something
budgets
that
completes
our
warrant
agenda
mayor.
E
It's
more
of
a
common
question
about
where
we're
at
over
a
year
ago,
councilman,
Beauty
and
I
work
with
Council
McGee,
put
a
resolution
in
asking
the
city
which
effectively
and
announce
this
fact
that
you
can
particularly
property
Taxation
and
how,
among
other
things,
how
the
homestead
of
English
sensitivity
related
to
the
City
of
Burlington.
We
realized
at
the
time
of
that
resolution,
it's
complicated
to
get
the
information
because
we're
in
the
middle
of
doing
Facebook,
and
so
who
know
the
math
is
complicated.
E
E
D
Okay,
thank
you,
councilor
Carpenter,
and
actually
it
reminds
me
what,
in
my
public
response
to
councilor
McGee
I
meant
to
mention
another
thing
that
I
think
we
should
feel
good
about
this
budget
is
that
it
recognizes
that
we
do
have
major
challenges
coming
in
future
years,
both
because
of
the
trends
that
we
talked
about
previously
and
additional
trends
like
the
cost
of
the
new
high
school
and
the
impact
that
has
on
our
bonding
capacity
and
and
other
pressures,
and
so
in
this
budget
we
are
funding
a
number
of
studies
that
will.
D
Operating
efficiencies
that
will
look
at
our
Fleet
that
will
look
at
how
alternative
ways
of
funding
some
of
the
activities
within
pseudo
and
a
HUD
funded
effort
and
more.
This
combines
with
some
ongoing
studies
that
are
underway,
so
something
you.
D
Who's
just
tuning
in
now
something
we've
talked
about
repeatedly
at
the
sport-
is
that
over
the
first
we're
we
are
going
to
push
and
bring
those
studies
back
as
quickly
as
possible
so
that
over
the
first
six
months
of
the
coming
year,
we
are
really
looking
to
the
Future
challenges
and
being
a
strong
position
for
for
those
future
budgets,
and
certainly
we
can
make
sure
councilor
Carpenter
that
we
have
the
best
data
we
have
about
against
those
Homestead
exceptions.
That's
part
of
that.
D
And
we
do,
you
know,
have
this:
one
of
those
studies
is
referencing
this
in
the
field
that
I
think
is
adjacent
to
what
you're
saying
is
this
property
tax
Equity
study
that
is,
can
have
a
lot
of
really
information,
interesting
information
along
these
lines
as
well.
So
thank
you
for
your
patience
with
that
sort
of
extra
curricular
discussion
here
now.
Seeing
no
objection,
the
business
being
done
and
I
will
adjourn
the
board
of
Finance
at
six
I'm.
Sorry,
five
upstairs.