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A
Hi
friends
Sinead
here
with
beeper
with
some
more
exciting
news
town
union
day
elections
will
be
using
ranked
Choice
voting
for
the
first
time
since
the
2021
Charter
change
and
all
Burlington
voters
get
to
participate,
I'm
familiar
with
ranked
Choice
voting,
keep
watching
or
click
the
link
below
ranked
Choice
voting
lets
voters
write
candidates
in
order
of
preference,
first,
second,
third
and
so
on.
If
your
vote
can
help
your
first
choice
win,
it
counts
to
your
second
choice.
Instead,
here's
how
it
works.
A
If
one
candidate
gets
over
50
percent
of
everyone's
First
Choice
votes
they
win
and
the
election
is
over.
However,
If
no
candidate
reaches
a
majority.
The
candidate
with
the
fewest
First
Choice
votes
is
eliminated
and
their
supporters
votes
will
count
toward
their
second
choice.
This
process
continues
until
one
candidate
reaches
over
50
percent
of
the
vote.
A
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meeting
TV,
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forums
with
all
candidates
and
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ballot
items.
You
will
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on
your
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meeting
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forums,
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decision
makers
and
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you
with
issues
that
shape
your
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meeting
TV.
A
B
You,
my
name,
is
Milo
Grant
I've
lived
in
Burlington
for
almost
40
years,
mostly
in
Wards
two
and
three
I,
currently
own
a
home
in
ward
3.
Where
I
raise
my
nephew,
he
went
to
hunt
middle
school
and
BHS
I
am
currently
serving
on
the
police
commission,
and
that
has
given
me
a
lot
of
experience.
Learning
about
commissions,
learning
about
the
city
council,
working
with
city,
council
committees,
so
I'm
also
very
well
versed
in
public
safety
issues.
So
I'm
deeply
concerned
about
the
drug
crisis.
B
I
am
deeply
concerned
about
the
loss
of
vibrancy
in
our
community
and
other
livability
issues
such
as
affordable
housing
and
also
building
code
connections
with
people
not
just
between
residents,
but
also
between
the
city
and
I,
feel
what
I
would
bring
that
would
be
different.
Is
that
I
I'm
ready
to
go
with
what
I
already
know?
I
can
hit
the
ground
running
and
I'm,
not
afraid
to
speak
up
about
Injustice
and
things
that
I
feel
that
are
are
not
right
in
City
Hall.
Thank
you
great
thanks.
Avery.
C
C
A
D
C
I
think
cost
is
one
of
my
major
concerns
with
the
control
board
item.
I.
Think
that
there's
been
I
mean
there's
been
no
forecast
on
how
much
it's
going
to
cost
it's
an
entirely
new
body,
there's
an
accompanying
Department
that
would
go
along
with
it
and
a
bureaucracy,
and
you
know
there's
going
to
be
staff
in
that
department
which
are
stipulated
at
a
livable
wage,
which
is
important,
but
also
this
is
a
whole
new
staff
for
the
city.
B
Thanks
Milo
I
would
say
we
cannot
afford
not
to
do
it.
Unfortunately,
we've
had
some
injustices
that
have
in
fact
occurred
in
Burlington.
Our
police
department
has
had
some
of
the
issues
that
we
have
seen
nationally
when
we
take
a
look
at
having
to
pay
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
get
a
bad
officer
to
leave.
When
we
take
a
look
at
the
other
lawsuits
that
have
been
paid
out,
we
take
a
look
at
a
75
000
being
spent
on
a
police
transformation
that
resulted
in
a
plagiarized
report
we're
spending
all
this
other
money.
B
In
addition,
the
milly
Brothers
case,
the
incident
that
occurred
in
2018
lawsuit
was
made
public
in
2019,
and
the
City
of
Burlington
is
still
spending
money
to
fight
that
so
I'm
interested
to
know
all
those
other
costs,
because
I
think
they
can
be
put
to
better
use
on
the
community
control
board.
Thank
you
great.
A
B
Thank
you
I
definitely
support
the
school
budget.
I
know
it
gets
difficult
every
year,
especially
given
the
increase
in
property
taxes,
but
we
have
to
have
good
schools.
They
are
crucial
to
the
future
of
the
city,
so
I
do
support
it.
The
cuts
seem
to
be
appropriate
in
terms
of
the
fact
that
there
is
a
decrease
in
enrollment.
I
was
happy
to
hear
that
they
are
working
on
saving
the
drama
position
at
the
integrated
arts
academy,
considering
that
that
was
the
Arts
Academy.
B
C
Yeah
I'm,
also
in
support
of
it,
I
think
for
a
lot
of
the
same
reasons
that
you
know.
Obviously,
education
is
one
of
our
major
priorities
here,
I
think.
As
far
as
the
staff
cuts
that
have
been
proposed,
we
should
trust
the
school
board
to
make
their
decisions
on
that
and
I
think
that
they
are
taking
into
account
making
sure
that
the
functions
of
those
roles
are
still
maintained,
like
with
the
with
the
Arts
position.
C
A
Thanks
so
much
so,
Burlington
has
six
items
before
voters
on
the
ballot.
Those
are
proposition:
zero,
instant
runoff
voting,
all
Resident
voting,
redistricting
Citizen,
Police
oversight,
body
and
a
polling
place
change
of
these.
How
will
you
vote
and
what
do
you
feel
most
strongly
about
and
why
we'll
start
with
Avery
this
time.
C
So
I'm
very
much
in
support
of
all
Resident
voting
I
think
that's!
That's
really
important
in
opening
up
the
process
to
everyone
who
lives
in
the
city
and
has
a
stake
in
it
very
much
in
favor
of
ranked
Choice
voting,
I
School
Board.
Yes,
one
of
the
other.
C
C
Yes,
too,
supportive
of
polling
place,
change,
I
think
for
the
the
control
board.
My
main
concerns
are
that
we
have
no
idea
how
much
it's
going
to
cost
and
while
commissioner
Grant
raised
the
the
cost
of
all
of
the
legal
deliverations
were
already
underway,
with,
with
all
the
cases
that
exist,
that's
that
would
already
exist
with
the
police
commission,
so
I
would
much
rather
move
towards
a
directly
elected
commission.
C
C
One
no
and
I've
posted
that
one
I
think
that
there's
a
reason
we
have
Representatives
there's
a
reason.
We
have
elected
officials
who
do
the
work
and
have
the
time
and
the
resources
to
properly
evaluate
and
make
effective
policy
changes.
I
think
this
creates
an
opportunity
for
folks
to
hey,
there's,
there's
huge
lobbying
that
goes
on
with
models
like
this
like
in
California,
and
it
results
in
people
not
having
the
information.
They
need
to
make
an
informed
choice
and
to
have
effective
policies
that
have
been
really
well
vetted.
B
No,
no
that's.
Okay.
I
actually
have
in
front
of
you
to
appreciate
that
so
proposition.
Zero
I
do
support
I,
find
in
the
current
system,
where
we
have
an
Administration
that
doesn't
actually
have
a
mandate
because
it
couldn't
make
50
of
the
vote,
and
we've
had
several
instances
where
very
serious
concerns
of
the
people
have
not
been
able
to
be
brought
forth
by
members
of
the
city
council.
So
I
do
believe
that,
just
because
something
is
brought
forth
by
proposition,
zero
doesn't
mean
it
hasn't
been
vetted.
B
I
support,
ranked
Choice
voting,
I
support,
all
citizens,
all
legal
citizens,
voting
I
think
that's
really
important.
Considering
they
live
in
our
community,
they
work
in
our
community.
They
pay
taxes
on
community,
their
children
go
to
school
in
the
community,
so
I
believe
they
should
have
that
right,
because
it'll
help
strengthen
our
community
and
start
to
build
some
of
these
connections.
That
I
was
talking
about
the
oversight
body.
I
do
support
previously
as
a
police
commissioner,
I
I
didn't
support
it
and
I
would
go
to
the
meetings
or
it
was
being
talked
about.
B
I
went
to
all
the
charter
change
committees.
This
was
something
that
was
previously
voted,
but
on
and
approved,
but
vetoed
by
the
mayor.
I
at
one
point
did
really
believe
that
the
police
commission
could
do
the
work.
But
more
recently
the
mayor
and
the
acting
Chief
have
spoken
out
against
the
police
commission.
So
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
are
going
on
that
are
very
concerning
it.
B
I
really
don't
have
the
limited
time,
but
I
will
say
firmly
that
the
attacks
on
the
police
commission
show
that
the
administration
doesn't
want
the
commission
doing
this
work
so
to
say
that
they
do
when
on
September
19th,
we
were
directly
attacked
by
the
mayor
was
very
concerning,
and
then
the
police
chief
said
that
the
worker
commission
was
preventing
officers
applying
to
Burlington.
So
this
is
really
astounding
to
me:
we're
private
citizens.
B
B
Eight
Wards
running
a
district
is
very
difficult
because
it's
two
Wards
cost
a
lot
more
money
that
can
be
really
prohibitive
to
people
I'm
leaning
to
voting
for
this,
but
I
believe
we
really
should
have
an
all
award
model,
but
as
long
as
we're
continuing
to
work
on
it,
I
don't
believe,
there's
anything
that
we
would
be
penalized
for
and
a
polling
place
changed.
B
Yes,
I
think
it's
important
that
if
this
redistricting
takes,
for
example,
Edmonds
would
be
moved
out
of
the
ward
is
currently
in
yet
it's
a
convenient
place
that
people
can
get
in
and
out
of
quickly
to
go
and
vote.
So
it
makes
sense
to
allow
that
great
and
I
got
everything.
I
think
I
got
everything.
A
Yeah
all
right
good
job,
you
guys
have
good
memories.
The
next
question
the
Vermont
legislative
season
is
underway.
What
are
some
important
initiatives
to
the
community
of
Burlington
you'll
be
tracking
and
supporting
as
part
of
your
work
as
a
city
council
member
we'll
go
emila
first
sure.
B
They're
doing
a
lot
of
great
stuff
from
a
public
safety
standpoint,
they'll
be
working
on
gun
control
and
something
that's
very
specific
to
Burlington
is
we're
trying
to
ask
that
guns
not
be
allowed
in
bars,
because
some
of
the
gunfire
incidents
have
occurred
in
bars
with
regards
to
family,
Universal,
Pre-K,
Universal,
free
meals
and
schools,
there
is
some
prison
reform,
that's
being
looked
at
that
I
think
is
very
important.
Bringing
back
just
cause
and
there'd
now
be
a
super
majority
between
Democrats
and
progressives
that
could
get
that
to
pass
the
legislature.
B
C
Yeah
I
think
there
are
some
specific
Burlington
policies
that
have
that
have
been
passed
by
the
city
that
have
stalled
in
the
state
house,
so
the
just
cause
eviction
measure
and
also
the
gun,
control
restrictions
that
Burlington
wanted
to
pass
that
have
stalled
at
the
State
House
level.
That
was
really
important.
I.
C
Think
the
legislative
efforts
on
figuring
out
a
more
formal
arrangement
with
UVM
around
capping,
enrollment
and
managing
the
housing
crisis
is
really
important
and
also
I
know
that
there's
work
being
done
to
make
it
much
easier
for
bars
and
other
establishments
to
get
their
licenses
and
insurance
and
all
the
bureaucracy
that
exists
around
that,
because
that's
one
of
our
great
Community
institutions,
a
lot
of
them,
provide
an
important
Social
Hub
as
well.
As
you
know,
it's
a
place
of
business
and
it's
a
place
for
the
makers
of
the
product
to
sell
their
product.
C
A
C
I
think
anyone
who
lives
in
the
city
can
obviously
see
that
there's
a
massive
crisis,
there's
no
getting
around
that
and
it's
existed
for
years,
and
it's
just
getting
worse.
I
work
in
campus
housing
I
deal
with
the
brunt
of
our
enrollment
numbers
every
day
and
I
think
that
in
Burlington
we
need
to
have
a
real
conversation
around
zoning
and
what
responsible
rezoning
looks
like
I
think
a
lot
of
people
hear
zoning
and
development
and
they
think
gentrification.
They
think
we're
really
destroying
the
Integrity
of
neighborhoods,
and
that
does
happen
in
a
lot
of
cities.
C
But
we
have
a
chance
to
do
things
differently
and
build
density
without
building
super
high
vertically.
If
we
just
built
everything
up
to
the
current
maximum
in
the
North
End
we'd
build
huge
amounts
of
capacity.
If
we
made
it
easier
for
folks
to
add
accessory
dwelling
units
to
their
homes
in
ways
that
are
in
reasonable
proportion
to
their
property.
That
would
be
really
helpful
and
I
also
think.
C
We
need
to
really
seriously
think
accessibility,
as
we
do
this,
because
when
we
develop,
we
usually
develop
outside
of
town
which
people
have
to
have
cars
or
they're
reliant
on
public
transport,
which
has
limits
here
and
it's
just.
It
puts
them
a
very
long
way
from
resources.
So
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
the
space
that
we're
already
using
in
the
in
the
city
core
and
focus
on
ways
to
have
mixed-use
developments
that
don't
produce
gentrification
great.
B
B
The
legislation
that
Avery
mentioned
earlier
is
going
to
be
brought
forth
by
Troy
hedricks,
and
this
is
really
fantastic,
because
it's
it's
going
to
try
to
hold
UVM
accountable
to
say
you
have
to
limit
your
enrollment
UVM
is
at
about
30
percent
of
triples,
which
is
astounding,
and
so
every
time
they're
increasing
their
enrollment.
It
is
directly
affecting
housing
down
the
line
they
have
been
out
of
their
agreement
with
the
city
for
two
years
now.
I
think
that's
a
major
issue.
B
I
think
it's
callous
of
them
not
to
come
to
the
table
and
have
an
honest
conversation
about
how
difficult
it
is
for
people
in
Burlington
right
now.
I,
don't
think
they
really
understand
how
people
are
suffering
in
terms
of
you
know,
being
able
to
pay
rent
and
it
affects
our
economy
in
other
ways,
because
every
dollar
that
goes
toward
rent
is
not
going
to
other
places
in
our
economy
and
that's
affecting
the
vibrancy
of
the
city.
B
So
I
hope
that
people
really
support
what
Troy
is
going
to
be
doing
in
the
legislature
and
I
hope
that
I
can
assist
the
Council
and
the
mayor
with
doing
what's
necessary
to
get
UVM
to
come
back
to
the
table,
to
talk
about
these
issues
and
to
get
back
into
an
agreement
and
yeah
I
think
I'll
leave
it
there,
okay,
so
the
main
things.
Thank
you
thank.
A
B
I
well,
one
of
the
reasons
I
stayed
in
Burlington
was
because
I
loved
the
music
scene,
I've
DJ
here
for
many
years,
I
had
a
lot
of
friends
who
were
in
music
and
operated
some
of
the
local
clubs.
So
I
was
able
to
even
as
a
black
person
and
there
weren't
a
lot
of
black
people
at
the
time.
There
were
a
lot
more
now,
but
I
was
able
to
build
a
really
great
safe
space
for
myself.
I
always
I.
Also
love
the
natural
beauty
of
Burlington.
B
I
live
very
close
to
the
Waterfront
I,
get
a
chance
to
take
advantage
of
that
other
reason
to
becoming
City.
Councilors
I
feel
it's
the
next
step
to
do
more
for
the
Central
District,
which
I
feel
has
been
neglected
by
the
administration.
There's
a
lot
of
politics
that
have
been
a
play.
The
politics
have
gotten
in
the
way
of
talking
about
Solutions,
and
particularly
the
drug
crisis,
which
hit
us
first
and
hardest
and
then
spread
every
place
else.
B
C
I
came
here
versus
a
UVM
student
a
little
over
a
decade
ago,
and
so
that's
what
brought
me
here.
But
what
I
think
kept
me
here
was
the
art
scene,
music
scene,
I
started
busking
on
Church
Street
and
playing
gigs
downtown
when
I
was
a
student
and
the
music
scene
that
we
have
is
so
vastly
better
in
proportion
to
the
size
of
the
city
than
you
would
expect
it
to
be,
because
we
have
a
lot
of
venues
and
Community
figures
who
have
really
supported
that
and
fostered
it.
I
think
food
as
well.
C
C
A
lot
of
folks,
like
me,
feel
really
left
out
and
left
behind
by
our
representation
and
that
the
folks
we
have
in
leadership
don't
reflect
the
views,
often
of
the
people
in
the
district
and
are
not
serving
our
needs,
that
we
kick
a
lot
of
footballs
down
the
road
and
we
don't
actually
fix
our
problems.
So
I'm
interested
in
solving
problems
and
bringing
a
lot
of
stakeholders
to
the
table
to
find
Solutions
and
that's
something
I
do
every
day
at
UVM,
great.
A
March,
so
your
city
council,
race,
is
one
of
the
first
in
Burlington
that
ranked
Choice
voting
is
coming
into
play
in
this
gives
voters
the
chance
to
rank
candidates
in
order
of
preference.
Please
tell
us
whether
and
how
this
is
affected,
how
you're
campaigning
and
communicating
with
voters
we'll
go
every
first.
C
Yeah
I,
don't
think
it
it
affected.
It
affects
the
way
that
I'm
campaigning
or
speaking
to
people
I
know
that
there's
a
lot
of
questions
about
how
that
works
and
that's
conversations
I've
been
having
with
folks
as
we're
door,
knocking
and
phone
calling
and
all
those
things.
I'm
really
supportive
of
ranked
Choice
voting
I
lived
in
in
Europe
for
a
couple
years
and
that's
very
common
over
there
and
I
think
it
really
serves
democracy
to
have
a
pluralist
representation
and
to
not
be
worried
about
spoilers
I.
C
Think
it's
really
unfortunate
in
America
that
an
independent
candidate
or
any
any
sort
of
third
party
candidate
is
seen
as
a
spoiler
and
that
we
we
feel
so
trapped
by
you
know
you
can
only
have
two
options
and
that
anything
other
than
that
is
somehow
undermining
those
two
parties
when
it
should
really
be
about
those
two
parties
undermining
our
system.
So
I
don't
think
it's
substantially
changed
the
way
that
I've
approached
things
but
I
think
it's
a
really
important
next
step
for
our
city.
B
I
would
pretty
much
agree
with
everything:
it's
not
changing
the
way
that
I
campaign.
If
people
ask
me
where
I
stand
on
the
ballot
items,
I
definitely
talk
about
supporting
it.
It's
not
something
I'm
hearing
a
lot
about,
though,
but
I
do
support
you
for
all
the
reasons
that
Avery
mentioned.
Okay,.
A
A
B
You
that's
a
great
question
because,
when
I
think
about
building
Connections
in
the
community
between
residents,
but
also
with
the
city
and
the
residents,
the
the
city
is
inconsistent
about
how
it
chooses
to
communicate
with
residents.
Well,
sometimes
they
don't
communicate
at
all
very
well
about
certain
things,
but
sometimes
they
translate
things.
B
Sometimes
they
don't
translate
things
and
I
think
that
if
we
are
serious
about
including
all
residents
in
all
aspects
of
different
things
that
go
on
in
the
city,
that
there
has
to
be
a
better
mindful
mindfulness
at
the
administration
level
to
make
sure
that
all
the
Departments
are
taking
communication
into
account
like
so,
whatever
projects
being
worked
on,
there
should
be
someone
who's
clearly
assigned
communication
with
the
community.
That
a
project
is
happening
in
and
part
of
their
assignment
would
be
to
make
sure
that
things
are
being
translated.
D
B
That
also
goes
for
parts
and
Recreation,
because
sometimes
I
see
advertisements
for
recreation
and
camps,
and
things
like
that
and
they're
not
always
translated
in
other
languages,
so
we
we
might
not
be
reaching
people
who
might
be
interested
in
taking
part
of
these
things
in
Burlington.
So
I'd
like
to
see
the
consistency
in
it.
Thank
you.
C
Yeah
I
think
too
often
we
expect
folks
to
chase
after
city
government
and
City
programming,
rather
than
it
coming
to
them,
and
I
think
that
one
of
the
things
that
that
really
bothers
me
about
the
city
is
we.
We
feel
such
a
disconnect
from
us
and
our
city
government
and
we
always
refer
to
it
as
the
city
and
it's
the
city
council
over
there.
It's
our
city
and
it's
our
city
council,
and
it
should
be
working
for
us
and
so
from
things
as
simple.
C
As
you
know,
parking
bans
there's
no
reason
we're
not
automatically
texting
everyone
in
the
city
when
their
cars
are
going
to
be
moved.
There's
no
reason
that
folks
have
to
tune
into
an
NPA
meeting
if
they
can't
make
it
or
go
in
person
or
go
to
a
city
council
meeting
and
follow
every
commission
to
know.
What's
going
on
in
the
city.
The
city
should
be
actively
communicating
those
things
to
all
of
us
in
a
really
proactive
way
and
I.
C
Think
that
when
we
neglect
that
we
we
create
that
divide,
we
don't
feel
a
sense
of
collective
ownership
over
the
process.
We
don't
recognize
the
impact
that
that
our
participation
can
have,
and
we
don't
feel
like
our
participation
is,
is
welcomed.
It's
something
that
we
have
to
sort
of
force
and
that's
not
right
so
I.
Think
in
in
terms
of
you
know.
Language
is
a
huge
piece
of
that,
but
it's
also
about
just
recognizing
the
fundamental
fact
that
these
things
work
for
us.
B
Thank
you,
I
agree
with
that.
If
I
could
also
add,
the
city's
website
is
terrible.
It's
one
of
the
main
things
that
I
have
repeatedly
complained
about,
especially
as
a
police
commissioner,
and
especially
as
people
talk
about
issues
around
Public
Safety
where's,
the
data.
What
does
that
look
like
right,
because
people
are
like
well
we're
hearing
different
things
and
the
website
site
is
just
terrible
and
the
fact
that
not
all
departments
have
someone
who's
updating
information
and
even
DPW
that
posts
a
lot
of
information.
B
The
way
it's
it
shows
is
very
inconsistent,
so
I
would
really
love
to
have
a
project
where
the
city
looks
at
updating
their
website,
because
it
would
make
a
huge
difference
and
I
know
they're,
looking
at
updating
or
changing
from
board
docs
to
something
else,
because
board
docs
is
where
you
find
all
the
agendas
and
documents
related
to
the
different
meetings
and
board
docs
is
very
cumbersome
for
the
average
person
it's
cumbersome
for
Commissioners,
it
certainly
cumbersome
for
the
average
person.
Thank
you.
A
C
C
If
we
disagree
on
that
and
I
think,
it's
really
unfortunate
that
in
a
lot
of
progressive
spaces,
where
we
talk
about
inclusion
and
and
lifting
up
people's
voices
and
making
sure
that
perspectives
are
heard.
That
folks,
who
have
disagreed
with
the
community
control
board
proposal,
have
have
really
feel
Iced
Out
of
the
conversation
or
afraid
to
speak
up
on
that,
and
that's
something
I've
heard
from
a
lot
of
Voters
who
are
quietly
concerned
about
it,
but
but
feel
like
they're
they're,
made
to
feel
like
they're
on
the
wrong
side
of
History.
C
Somehow,
if
they
disagree
with
the
implementation,
so
I
think
for
me
having
a
directly
elected
police
commission
that
operates
more
like
a
school
board
rather
than
a
community
control
board,
which
is
made
up
of
folks
who
are
nominated
by
organizations
that
are
completely
nebulous.
We
don't
know
who
they
are.
C
They
there's
no
mechanism
for
them
to
be
removed.
They're
not
accountable
to
voters,
I
mean
if
people
are
concerned
that
the
department
isn't
accountable
to
the
community,
it's
accountable
to
the
mayor
and
the
chief,
then
it's
even
less
accountable.
If
it's,
this
completely
arbitrary
board
made
up
of
folks
who
are
who
are
just
the
loudest
voices
in
the
room
on
a
lot
of
these
things
and
are
are
sort
of
directly
opposed
to
a
lot
of
volume,
enforcement
initiatives
and
I.
Think
that
the
other,
the
other
issues
were
completely
excluding
in
the
proposal.
C
That's
on
the
board,
any
folks
with
professional
experience
and
that's
the
most
important
thing
you
have
when
regulating
anything.
B
I
really
again
encourage
people
to
look
at
the
more
extended
conversations
about
the
community
control
board.
I
feel
that
some
of
that
information
misrepresents
what
it
is.
If
you
look
at,
there
are
details
as
to
who
would
be
selecting
the
organizations
that
would
then
select
the
people
who
would
serve
on
the
board.
B
B
They
can
have
a
lawyer,
so
there
is
is
definitely
ways
that
point
of
view
of
law
enforcement
comes
in
what
we
have
right
now,
with
all
this
power
placed
to
the
police
chief,
even
the
mayor,
you
know
said
that
yeah
this
isn't
this
isn't
okay
and
we
unfortunately
have
a
system
where
the
residents
of
Burlington
aren't
being
best
served.
B
So
I
just
really
can't
sum
that
up
in
just
a
couple
of
minutes,
I
have
been
speaking
extensively
about
it.
I
did
an
interview
about
it.
That's
also
on
town
meeting
TV
and
other
people
are
talking.
It
requires
people
to
really
listen,
but
I.
Don't
think
people
have
been
afraid
to
ask
questions.
I've
been
asking
answering
a
lot
of
questions
about
it
and
giving
people
details
and
giving
them
also
my
perspective
and
my
experience
in
terms
of
what's
been
happening
on
the
pub
the
police
commission,
which
has
been
a
lot.
B
C
B
I
think
we
have
to
be
considerate
of
the
fact
that
these
people
from
these
different
organizations
are
actually
going
to
be
representing
residents
that
have
been
many
times
locked
out
of
the
process
locked
out
of
being
able
to
speak
about
these
things
and
they're
more
affected
by
policing.
That
is
a
misuse
of
force
and
the
lack
of
empathy
and
compassion
and
policing
and
the
lack
of
equity
in
policing.
B
So
it's
saying
that
these
people
need
to
be
included
because
it
hasn't
been
done
in
an
honest
way
previously,
quite
frankly
and
I
think
that
if
we're
going
to
build
back
trust,
you
know
when
we
take
a
look
at
the
contract
that
the
the
union
has.
The
bpoa
has
it's
a
very
strong
contract,
not
so
strong
for
the
community.
You
know
there
were
many
things
such
as.
How
long
do
we
keep
records
of
disciplinary
records
extremely
low
way
below
best
practice,
you
know
and
that
got
negotiated
into
the
contract.
B
C
What
needs
to
be
addressed
so
I
think
as
far
as
the
I
know,
we're
wrapping
up
here,
but
I
want
to
say
that,
with
the
current
proposal,
I
think
that
the
sensible
approach
to
that
would
have
been
to
limit
the
amount
of
people
with
a
background
in
law
enforcement
rather
than
to
ban
them
and
completely
and
I.
Think
again,
an
organization
can
say
that
they
represent
me
if
I
am
not
voting
for
them.
I
have
not
chosen
them
as
my
representative
and
that's
what
concerns
made.
C
B
Them
but
investigations
do
use
documentation
that
comes
from
law
enforcement.
If
investigations
are
necessary,
there
will
be
a
member
of
the
city
council
involved,
they'll
be
the
mayor
involved
in
choosing
the
organizations
that
will
choose
people
so
again
and
I
feel
people
really
need
to
be
watching
the
meetings
that
talk
about
this
in
more
detail.
Thank
you.
So
much
thanks.
A
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