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B
Thank
you
very
much
for
coming.
I've
done
this
presentation
five
or
six
times,
we'll
probably
get
to
a
point
where
there's
so
many
questions
that
it
will
come
to
detract
from
everything.
So
what
I'll
do
is
I'll
give
you
kind
of
a
brief
introduction.
What
I
do
kind
of
how
the
department
is
broken
down,
Molly's
going
to
essentially
navigate
our
department
website,
which
is
the
best
resource
for
information.
B
We
quite
literally
publish
everything
in
our
department.
There
should
be
no
reason
that
you're
standing
on
the
phone
trying
to
call
our
department
looking
for
information
when
we
put
it
all
here,
quite
literally,
everything
is
on
here.
If
it's
not
on
here,
things
are
processed
to
here
in
real
time
from
the
field
now,
so
if
we
have
a
violation
that
comes
up,
it
gets
logged
in
it
gets
put
through
and
it
gets
put
on
the
website,
you
can
go
to
and
see
it.
So
with
that
said,
let
me
explain
a
little
bit
about
my
position.
B
How
the
department
is
broken
down.
I'm
the
assistant
director
of
operations
and
operations
is
maintenance,
I
oversee
all
of
the
maintenance
of
the
built
world.
That
includes
property
maintenance,
city,
funded
demolition,
fire
maintenance,
occupancy
maintenance,
building
business
and
vendor
licensing
enforcement,
so
I
say
property,
maintenance
and
everything
comes
to
mind.
I
can't
wait
to
turn
in
my
neighbor,
so
we'll
talk
about
that
as
well.
B
I
know
everybody's,
like
oh
I,
can't
wait.
This
is
gonna
talk
the
whole
time
or
is
I'm
gonna.
Let
this
person
have
it
next
door
to
me
so
to
give
you
a
little
bit
of
scope
on
that
I,
oversee
property,
maintenance,
city,
funded
demolition,
fire
inspections
and
business
licensing
and
occupancy
inspections
about
each
one
of
those.
I
will
explain
so
the
department
is
broken
down
into
three
units
operations,
construction,
finance
and
business
licensing
I'm
in
operations
under
construction
or
where
all
the
building
permits
are
issued.
Building
electrical
plan
reviews
are
done
out
of
there.
B
Mechanical
permits,
occupancy
permits.
Everything
are
issued
out
of
that
unit.
The
construction
unit,
the
finance
and
business
and
vendor
licensing
unit
is
where
all
the
vendor
licensing
contractor
licensing.
When,
if
you're
an
electrician,
you
go
there
to
update
your
electrical
license,
they
do
all
of
the
intake
of
financial
applications.
Anything
that
comes
in
essentially
with
a
check
attached
to
it.
They
process.
All
of
that,
so
any
building
permit
application
any
business
licence
any
contractor
license
so
they're
very
busy
and,
as
a
matter
of
fact,
we
just
got
a
new
assistant
director
covering
that
spot.
B
B
To
give
you
a
little
bit
of
scope
on
that
from
August
of
2016
to
August
of
2017,
we
processed
41
thousand
complaints
so
out
of
that
41
thousand
complaints
about
90%
of
them
come
in
via
three
one
one.
So
when
you
call
up
301
one,
the
process
now
goes
directly
from
301
right
to
the
inspector
may
carry
surface
pros
in
the
fields
and
when
you
put
in
that
complaint,
it
goes
right
to
them.
Now
we
got
41,000
complaints,
we
processed
probably
30,000
of
them.
Ten
thousand
more
to
Public
Works,
the
police
department.
B
Pwsa,
you
name
it.
They
can
go
anywhere
or
they're
unfounded.
There
could
be
a
duplicate
complaint
or
something
to
that
effect
of
that
about
30,000
about
15
or
20,000
of
those
go
to
court.
So
this
is
the
point
where
we
issue
violation,
notices
for
garbage
and
debris,
anything
anything
where
the
built
world
has
fallen
into
a
state
of
discord,
junk
vehicles,
busted
windows,
anything
you
can
imagine
that
could
fall
under
property
maintenance.
Quite
literally,
there
is
no
structure
in
the
city
or
anywhere
that
we
can't
cite
for
something.
B
So
we
have
to
be
a
little
diplomatic
about
that
as
well.
We
are
kind
of
Universal
in
how
we
issue
citations.
We
will
issue
a
citation
to
anybody
that
earns
it.
Essentially,
our
citation
process
starts
out
with
an
initial
Notice
of
Violation
you'll,
get
30
days
to
abate.
That
violation,
if
you
don't
we'll
do
a
rien,
spec
ssin
second
notice
will
come
you'll
get
an
additional
30
days
to
fix
it.
You
did
an
abate.
B
You
go
to
third
notice
that
third
notice,
when
it
comes,
you
get
the
notice
as
well
as
it
splits
off
to
court.
The
notice
goes
to
court
and
then
you'll
have
to
go
and
explain
it
to
the
judge,
why
you
didn't
abate
it.
One
misconception
about
our
department
is
that
we
issue
fines.
That
is
not
correct.
We
do
not
issue
fines
for
anything.
The
judge
issues,
fines.
If
you
go
to
court
and
you
get
a
fine,
the
judge
gave
it
to
you,
not
us
when
it
comes
to
fire
maintenance
inspections.
B
The
construction
unit
of
the
Department
issues
a
permit
to
build
a
sprinkler
system
build
a
fire
alarm
system
in
a
building.
After
that
system
is
in
place
and
tested
and
functions
for
a
year.
It
flips
back
over
to
the
maintenance
side,
we'll
walk
into
an
operating
business,
a
hotel,
a
motel
and
apartment
building
and
see
if
that
system
is
still
working
and
we
walked
into
Market
Square.
We
went
around
to
every
single
place.
Every
single
restaurant
in
there
to
see
if
their
fire
alarms
are
working.
B
If
our
panels
are
working
and
if
they're
not
they
get
cited
for
it.
Now,
when
it
comes
to
fire
maintenance
inspections,
they
have
a
much
lesser
of
a
time.
If
you
have
a
critical
fire
violation
like
your
panels,
not
working
or
the
fire
alarms,
not
working,
you
got
five
days
to
resolve
it
and
if
it's
a
spot
where
individuals
reside
or
it's
a
dwelling
unit
will
then
refer
to
the
fire
department,
you
have
to
have
a
fire
watch
come
in.
B
That
means
you
have
to
have
a
firefighter
standing
there
in
the
building,
so
the
fire,
maintenance
and
construction
fire
side
of
the
department
is
a
very
integral
and
very
important
part
of
what
goes
on
to
give
you
a
little
bit
of
reference
about
how
important
some
of
these
systems
are.
I'm
sure
you're
all
very
aware
of
what
happened
in
Las
Vegas,
not
too
long
ago.
B
One
of
the
main
ways
they
track
down
that
individuals
that
tripped
the
alarm
in
his
room
because
of
the
smoke
room
fire
it
from
the
guns,
that's
how
they
knew
where
he
was
at.
So
that's
how
critical
some
of
these
systems
are.
We
take
very
serious
individuals,
comply
generally,
pretty
quick
when
it
comes
to
that
will
never
be
coming
into
your
house
to
do
fire
checks
either
by
the
way,
it's
strictly
a
commercial
application
for
that
occupancy
maintenance.
B
That
is
another
thing
that
we
handle
occupancy
maintenance
is
this
building
was
issued
an
occupancy
permit
to
be
an
office
building.
We
have
all
of
the
occupancy
permits
on
file
in
our
office.
If
we
find
out
that
this
is
no
longer
an
office
building
and
they're
selling
used
vehicles
out
of
lobby,
then
they're
going
to
get
cited
for
it.
B
This
is
probably
the
which
may
know
the
most.
You
know
the
food
trucks.
You
know
the
people
selling
water
at
the
games,
second-hand
dealers,
mechanical
license.
You
know
everybody
likes
the
gambling
machines
and
the
bars
and
stuff
all
of
those
things
require
licensing.
So
we
go
into
every
single
one
of
those
and
we
check
those
the
vendor
licensing
spans.
A
lot
of
different
things
where
we'll
have
stationary
vendors,
where
there
allow
to
participate
in
the
lottery
in
the
city,
has
X
amount
of
spots
where
these
stationery
vendors
can
stand
or
sit.
B
We
have
Licensing
where
the
vendors
have
to
pick
up
and
move
their
stuff
every
15
minutes,
because
they're
not
allowed
to
stay
there.
They
don't
have
a
stationary
permit
to
do
it.
The
Steelers
pirates
and
Penguins
will
retain
our
services
to
go
over
and
look
for
individuals.
Well,
actually,
I
shouldn't
said
that
the
NFL,
NHL
and
MBL
will
retain
our
services
to
try
to
find
people
selling
illegal
jerseys,
because
that's
a
licensed
product
by
the
NFL
and
those
organizations
and
they
want
to
know
who's
selling
their
stuff.
Those
people
have
a
lot
of
money.
B
They
pay
a
lot
of
money
to
keep
their
money.
So
that's
one
of
the
other
things
and
finally,
city
sponsored
demolition.
This
is
probably
one
of
the
largest
areas
within
the
operation
unit
that
I
work,
the
closest
with
when
I,
say,
city
funded
demolition.
That
is
demolition
that
the
city
literally
pays
for
to
have
a
structure
raised.
I
work
with
a
pool
of
about
a
thousand
properties
in
and
out
that
are
condemned,
because
a
building
is
condemned,
does
not
mean
it's
going
to
be
raised.
Raised
is
a
technical
term
for
demolishing
a
structure.
B
We
have
actually
yeah
we're
on
the
page
right
here.
So
these
are
some
of
the
reasons
why
a
property
will
be
condemned.
I
can
take
a
10
million
dollar
property
if
the
water
service
is
shut
off
to
that
property,
it's
condemned
you're
not
allowed
to
inhabit
a
dwelling
unit.
If
the
water
service
is
shut
off,
the
electricity
can
be
shut
off,
the
gas
can
be
shut
off,
the
cable
can
be
shut
off,
but
the
water
cannot
be
when
the
water
shut
off.
B
It
creates
a
sanitary
situation,
so
I
don't
care
where
the
house
is
or
what
the
dwelling
unit
is
or
how
much
it's
worth.
If
the
water
service
is
severed,
you
are
not
allowed
to
inhabit
that
structure,
but
people
think
because
the
water
service
isn't
happened
and
I
go
and
put
a
condemned
sticker
up
on
there
that
the
building's
going
to
be
taken
down
the
next
day,
and
that's
not
the
case
when
a
building
is
condemned.
The
building
can
be
condemned
for
20
or
30
years
and
can
stay
on
the
list.
If
it's
structurally
sound.
B
If
it
reaches
the
point
where
it's
eminently
dangerous
and
that's
imminently
dangerous
of
collapse,
then
it
makes
the
list
where
it's
going
to
be
raised.
So
I
work
through
a
long
list
of
properties
that
go
through
this
process
and
unsafe
structures.
Unsafe
equipment.
I
can
condemn
the
structure.
If
the
gas
company
comes
in
and
have
you
heard
red
tagging
a
building,
so
the
gas
company
has
either
found
a
leak
somewhere
in
that
property
and
they'll
shut
the
gas
off
or
they'll
find
a
leak
in
the
furnace.
B
B
If
Pizza
Hut
gets
their
water
service
turned
off,
it's
really
not
a
concern
of
mine.
It's
a
concern
of
Health
Department
they're
gonna,
be
very
concerned
about
something
like
that,
but
that's
not
something
that
I
deal
with
so
with
with
this
I
do
publish
everything
that
is
condemned
in
the
city,
so
right
here.
B
This
actually
used
to
be
condemned
under
contract
and
raised
I
added
this
asbestos
survey
because
there's
been
a
new
interpretation
of
the
EPA
rules
about
what
requires
an
asbestos
survey,
an
asbestos
surveys
when
an
environmental
company
comes
in
and
they
take
samples
of
everything
in
the
building
and
then
test
them
to
see.
If
it
has
asbestos
in
it,
I
used
to
be
under
a
protocol
where
I
only
had
to
test
commercial
buildings
and
if
I
was
going
to
raise
more
than
three
single-family
homes
on
a
single
block.
B
I
had
to
then
have
surveys
done
under
this
new
interpretation.
I
have
to
have
everything
surveyed,
outhouse
dog
house,
single-family
element
doesn't
make
any
difference.
I
have
to
have
a
survey
done
on
it.
So
with
that
said,
I
started
not
publishing.
What's
in
line
to
get
a
survey.
Surveys
take
time:
I
have
to
get
a
contract.
I
have
to
put
it
out
to
bid
sure
knowing.
D
The
interrupter
well,
but
you
said
that
there
was
a
change
in
the
interpretation
of
the
one
thank
for
the
EPA
I'm
UK
law.
So
how
does
that
go
about
like
an
administration
comes
in
and
it's
their
decision
to
how
that
law
is
interpreted
or
did
someone
challenge
it
in
court
and
a
judge
said
we're
now:
gonna
interpret
this
law
this
way
so.
B
All
of
that,
okay-
and
in
our
case
there
was
we
worked
up.
Let
me
let
me
back
up.
The
EPA
has
a
set
of
standards.
Allegheny
County,
Health
Department
enforces
those
standards
along
with,
along
with
a
couple
different
other
organizations
in
there,
but
I
primarily
work
with
the
Allegheny
County
Health
Department.
So
when
I
had
said
that
we
were
able
to
like
I
could
go
on
to
a
block
and
I
could
raise
a
single
family,
home
and
I
didn't
have
to
have
the
survey
done.
That
has
now
changed.
B
If
I
raise
one
house,
it
has
to
have
a
survey,
and
the
interpretation
has
changed
so
part
of
the
new
administration
in
the
health
department
has
taking
a
much
different
interpretation
of
what
the
EPA
has
had
had
handed
down.
There
is
litigation
surrounding
all
of
it,
the
every
other
municipality
in
Allegheny
County.
This
has
impacted.
It
does
impact
us
greatly
as
well.
B
At
one
point,
I
was
raising
anywhere
between
20
and
25
structures
every
two
weeks
since
this
interpretation
and
our
redesign
of
all
of
our
contracts,
I've
gotten
about
50
done
in
a
year,
so
we're
just
starting
to
kind
of
come
back
into
it
because
of
this
new
interpretation.
It
actually
did
sideline
things
for
months.
B
Now,
if
I
put
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
that,
I
have
to
have
that
money
spent
in
the
project
done,
there's
no
longer
the
earmarking
I
have
to
have
it
done
now
before,
like
January
1st,
so
that
interpretation
just
happened
in
July
that
changed,
so
they
kind
of
changed
the
goalposts
for
me
when
it
comes
to
using
CD
money.
So
I
don't
have
a
ton
of
CD
money
to
use.
I
use
used
all
up
first,
but
there's
other
departments
in
the
city
that
did
not
use
their
money.
B
When,
when
we
condemn
a
property,
there's
there's
a
bunch
of
things
that
do
happen
and
I
don't
spend
too
much
on
what
I
actually
do,
there's
a
lot
of
stuff
to
cover
with
the
department
this
list
right
here
Molly.
Could
you
open
that
for
one
quick?
Second?
So
when
you
look
at
this,
it
gives
you
all
the
critical
information
about
this
piece
of
property
that
you
would
need
to
know
about.
B
Essentially,
when
it
happened,
I
don't
give
much
information
on
you
here
why
it
was
condemned
unless
you
see
on
there
that
there
was
a
fire.
If
there
is
a
catastrophic
fire,
a
structure
will
be
condemned
almost
immediately.
We
just
had
one
I
think
right
correct,
so
that
is
that
home
3:06
Rochelle
as
a
total
boss.
So
the
first
thing
that
happens
is
it's
condemned,
so
this
kind
of
gives
you
the
address
where
it's
at
what
it
is
and
what
the
condemnation
data
is
like.
B
For
instance,
this
right
here,
50
to
78,
was
condemned
back
in
2009,
so
they
can
sit
on
here
for
a
long
time.
2001,
when
I
first
got
here,
there
was
one
that
was
condemned
in
like
1976
and
when
it's
condemned,
but
if
it
if
it
stands,
we'd
like
to
see
it
fixed,
our
job
is
not
to
go
out
in
the
limits
and
eliminate
structures
by
any
means.
B
We
would
like
to
see
these
homes
fixed,
but
to
give
you
a
little
bit
of
context
back
in
the
day,
pittsburgh
proper
had
about
a
million
people
living
in
it.
Okay,
there's
less
than
300,000.
Now
700,000
people
did
not
take
their
houses
with
them,
so
that
leaves
us
a
large
inventory
to
manage,
of
course,
I'm
using
round
numbers,
but
when
these
places
fall
into
the
situations
where
nobody's
taking
care
of
them
and
they
become
dangerous,
we
have
no
other
option.
B
We
generally
I
shouldn't,
say
that,
generally,
in
every
case,
we
go
after
the
owner
first,
if
there's
an
owner
and
we
can
go
after
them,
we're
going
after
them.
That's
what
our
first
course
of
action
in
the
last
course
of
action
is
to
spend
tax
money
to
raise
a
structure
with
the
new
interpretation
of
the
asbestos
rules
and
regulations.
I
could
raise
a
single
family
home
asbestos
free
for
about
seven
thousand
dollars
last
year.
B
Let
me
yes
and
no:
every
single
structure
gets
put
out
to
public
bid.
We
have
a
pre-qualified
contract
where
contractors
are
all
qualified,
they
have
to
go
through
a
vetting
process
and
they
end
up
on
this
list
and
they
all
have
an
opportunity
to
bid
on
it.
So,
if
they're
going
to
take
down
the
structure
and
it's
hot,
that
means
that
we're
deeming
it
hot
that
means
it
may
or
may
not
have
asbestos,
but
we
never
did
the
survey.
It
has
to
be
assumed
that
there
is
asbestos
in
it.
B
E
B
Like,
for
instance,
this
catastrophic
fire
that
just
happened,
we
don't
have
a
chance
to
do
it,
so
everything
in
there
has
to
be
assumed
that
be
asbestos,
Laden
and
where
it
comes
into
is,
is
the
process
that
the
contractor
has
to
go
through
to
remove
that
structure?
If
it's
asbestos
it
has
to
be
put
into
line
dumpsters,
they
have
to
be
soaking
it
with
water.
So
all
the
fibers
are
held
down.
They
have
to
have
a
individual
from
an
environmental
company
standing
there,
the
entire
time.
So
asbestos
is
very
serious.
B
You
know
when
hear
mesothelioma,
that's
what
they're
talking
about
pittsburgh
has
an
abnormally
high
rate
of
this
generally
asbestos
I
don't
get
to
furnace,
but
asbestos
is
a
product
that
does
not
burn,
so
it
was
used
in
high
heat
applications,
boilers
they
put
pipe
insulation
around
them
floor.
Tile
was
made
out
of
asbestos.
Siding
on
homes
were
made
out
of
asbestos,
it's
kind
of
an
indestructible
product,
that's
why
it
was
used,
but
it
does
cause
terrible
side
effects
and
the
dumping
fees
go
up
dramatically.
F
Sorry
Roy
Blankenship
of
Knoxville
I
work
for
hilltop
Alliance,
which
is
as
a
property
stabilization
program.
I,
don't
know
if
you've
heard
of
it.
We
work
closely
with
PLA
I've,
abated
a
lot
of
situations
where
homeowners
had
that
problem
of
say
the
asbestos
or
house
deteriorating
and
face
and
fines.
My
question
to
you
me
being
a
boiler
maker
for
17
years.
I
was
trained
and
removing
it
now
going
out
and
seeing
these
houses
like
how
much
would
it
cost
the
city
just
like
in
general
yearly
like
for
the
inspectors?
F
B
So
yeah
this
list
lists
right
here
as
a
thousand
structures
on
it
right
now.
So
this
changes
every
single
day,
I
take
stuff
off
of
it.
I
add
stuff
to
it.
I
get
a
lot
of
building
permits
that
are
returned
to
me
where
they
somebody
bought
a
derelict
home
rehabilitated.
It
abated
the
condemnation
and
it
gets
taken
off
of
this
list
today.
I
had
four
properties
go
on
it.
Yesterday,
I
had
twelve
go
on
that
the
day
before
that
I
had
ten
come
off
of
it.
B
So
this
list
is
active
all
the
time
it
gets
updated
on
this
site,
every
Friday,
but
I'm
on
it
every
single
day,
doing
maintenance
on
it.
When
I
first
received
this
list
three
years
ago,
it
had
fifteen
to
sixteen
hundred
structures
on
it
after
I
scrubbed
it
for
eighteen
months,
we
got
it
down
below
a
thousand.
B
This
is
one
of
the
most
critical
aspects
of
management
is
knowing
what
the
inventory
is.
I
had
to
do
an
emergency
demolition
not
too
long
ago,
I
didn't
the
the
property
wasn't
on
here
and
we
didn't
even
know
it
had
collapsed.
So
we
have
a
lot
of
people
in
the
field,
but
your
input-
and
your
letting
me
know
is
a
huge
part
of
that.
B
F
When
working
with
me,
I'd
like
to
say
that
the
city
has
guys
Omni
they
willing
to,
if
you
catch
an
inspector
or
you
have
someone
that
tells
you
about
that,
it's
easier
for
the
homeowner
to
try
to
reach
out
to
that
inspector
and
ask
for
time
or
say
that
they
need
help
trying
to
find
a
contractor.
I
do
know
your
policy
has
been
from
the
inspectors
that
I
have
in
my
area.
F
B
Sure
so,
there's
a
see,
I
don't
live
in
all
your
neighborhoods.
So
what
happens
in
your
neighborhood
is
really
your
business.
But
if
you
don't
tell
me
about
it
or
you
don't
come
to
me
about
it,
I
have
to
find
out
on
my
own.
I
have
I
work
with
about
15
to
17
inspectors
and
when
you
oversee
the
entire,
to
give
you
a
little
bit
of
scope,
Cincinnati
has
70
inspectors,
so
we
handle
a
lot
of
complaints.
B
We
handle
a
huge
volume
and
what
we're
doing
like
on
the
last
package
of
structures
I
put
out
to
be
raised.
The
majority
of
those
were
from
CDC's
homes
that
the
Community
Development
groups
saw
is
ones
that
they
wanted
to
advance
their
neighborhoods
and
get
rid
of
them
and
I
personally
don't
care
unless
it
falls
under
being
imminently.
Dangerous.
It's
really
up
to
you.
If
it's
imminently
dangerous,
it's
collapsing
I'll
step
in
and
you
will
have
little
to
no
say
in
it
but
stuff
that
you
can
have
go
I.
B
That's
where
I
want
the
participation
and
it
worked
out
very
well
I
had
the
balance
of
our
CD
money.
We
I
separated
into
$18,000
units
and
the
community
development
groups
picked
the
eight
homes
that
went
onto
that
list.
They
were
derelict
properties,
but
they
were
sound
enough
that
they
weren't
imminently
dangerous,
but
it
was
a
boon
to
that
neighborhood
to
get
rid
of
it.
E
B
B
B
We
are
making
leaps
and
bounds
with
the
county
records.
One
of
the
one
of
the
kind
of
crux
in
the
whole
thing
is.
We
will
cite
somebody
based
on
the
county
rap.
We
get
all
the
way
to
court
and
the
service
is
bad.
They
didn't
get
service.
Our
legal
obligation
is
to
make
sure
that
property
owner
got
service.
That
means
that
they
got
the
papers
they
got.
The
notices
well
judge
has
to
when
they
get
our
criminal
complaint.
B
F
What
I've
noticed
to
give
credit
to
the
city
is
that
through
my
job,
there's
a
lot
of
properties
in
the
city
of
Pittsburgh
that
are
owned
by
outside
sources
and
a
lot
of
these
organizations
or
people
they
they
do
not
have
addresses
that
are
actually
valid
on
the
county
website
from
when
I
was
last
told,
and
it
wasn't
too
long
ago
the
city's
trying
to
find
a
way
to
get
these
people
and
hold
them
accountable.
F
B
Is
and
in
the
volume
that
we're
doing
is
you
know
it
makes
a
huge
impact
from
writing.
Thirty
thousand
violation
notices
I
need
to
make
sure
that
I'm
getting
the
right
service
because
it's
got
to
go
out
regular
Maryland.
It's
got
to
go
out
certified
mail.
You
know
much
it
costs
to
send
a
certified
letter.
You
know
if
you
do
that,
forty
thousand
times
how
much
it
cost
and
then
to
not
get
service
based
on
that.
G
While
we're
still
on
violations,
what
happens
in
my
experience,
I've
been
familiar
with
the
property
that
got
sent
all
the
way
to
housing
court,
but
the
judge
granted
a
continuance
and
then
the
net
and
I
found
that
out
and
so
the
next
time
I
looked
on
the
system
that
shows
the
database
of
all
the
property
violations.
The
property
was
no
longer
on
there.
So
is
it
the
case
that
if
something
gets
you
know
dismissed
in
housing
court,
the
person
says
oh
I'm
going
to
fix
it.
G
B
Don't
know
what
the
exact
number
is,
but
district
justices
hand
out
continuances
on
40%
of
our
cases.
They'll
say
you
know,
person
comes
in,
say
you
know,
I
was
sick,
I
was
out
of
town.
You
know
any
number
of
reasons
that
a
judge
can
be
sympathetic
to
that.
Now.
I
can't
speak
about
what
a
judge
says
what
they
do,
it's
their
courtroom,
it's
their
call,
but
it's
very
frustrating
for
one
of
my
inspectors
to
spend
half
a
year
getting
to
court
to
have
the
judge
say:
oh
here's
180
day
continuance.
B
Please
get
it
done,
because,
essentially,
what
that
did
was
gave
him
six
months.
They
have
six
full
months
before
we
can
recite
them
again.
If
they
don't
do
it,
it
doesn't
make
the
violations
go
away
on
a
continuance
even
being
dismissed.
Doesn't
they
dismiss
cases
based
on
service?
They'll
dismiss
a
case
based
on
not
understanding
what
we
cited
them
for
dismissals.
Do
not
abate
anything.
B
It
can
be.
It
can
be
a
little
disheartening.
It
can
be
take
the
wind
out
of
you
know
the
sails
of
inspector,
that's
dealing
with
thousands
and
thousands
in
cases
and
sitting
in
court
for
an
entire
day
here
in
30
or
40
cases
and
coming
out
of
there
and
25
of
them
got
continued
it.
You
know
continuances
you've
heard
of
being
guilty
in
absentia.
We
show
up
for
court,
the
defendant
doesn't
show
up,
and
the
judge
continuous
it.
Well
that
shouldn't
be
the
case.
B
They
should
be
found
guilty
because
they
didn't
show
up,
but
they
get
a
continuance
anyways.
So
like
I
said
and
all
the
district
justices
are
different
and
somebody
can
be
found
guilty,
they
can
get
a
ten
thousand
dollar
fine
and
they
can
go
right
to
appeals
court.
They
have
30
days
to
appeal
it
and
then
our
judges,
our
inspectors,
go
to
appeals
court
and
that
ten
thousand
dollar
fine
can
be
reduced
down
to
fifty
bucks,
and
then
they
have
another
30
days
to
fix
it.
B
So
there's
a
lot
of
frustration
with
the
actual
legal
system
and
and
that
we
file
criminal
complaints.
It's
kind
of
like
we're
criminalizing
some
individual
that
may
it
doesn't
have
the
means
to
fix
up
property
or
have
fallen
on
hard
times
or
it's
a
divorce
situation
and
the
guy
can't
afford
to
fix
the
house
anymore.
You
know,
wife
can't
fix
it
anymore,
so
there's
been
a
lot
of
talk.
B
I
was
in
Memphis
earlier
this
year
at
the
University
of
Memphis
law
school,
and
we
had
a
three-day
symposium
on
how
to
participate
more
with
the
property
owners,
and
this
is
where
I
get
back
to
me,
coming
in
giving
a
criminal
violation
and
taking
you
to
court
to
fix
it.
Well.
Is
there
a
way
for
us
to
participate
with
you
to
make
you
better
understand
what
has
to
happen?
B
You
know
Home
Depot
will
pay
for
the
materials
if
we
could
have
one
of
the
CDC's
come
over
and
paint
your
fence
instead
of
inciting
you
for
it.
So
there's
been
a
there's
trial,
we're
trying
to
make
up
it,
be
a
fundamental
change
in
what
we
do,
but
it's
also
a
huge
lift.
It's
a
huge
it's
a
huge
undertaking.
B
I
want
to
do
it
because
it's
kind
of
under
the
umbrella
that
we're
going
to
get
more
bees
with
honey
than
we
are
with
vinegar,
director/kennedy
and
myself
and
a
couple
other
individuals
in
the
department
have
been
talking
a
lot
about.
How
can
we
change
the
processes
to
participate
more
with
the
citizens?
B
They
nothing
to
do
with
that.
I
myself,
when
I
came
here,
I
bought
a
derelict
house
for
a
dollar
and
I'm
rehabbing.
It
myself
so
there's
a
lot
of
misinterpretation
about
what
happens
with
our
department.
But
the
website
is
your
best
resource
for
this.
You
could
go
to
real,
quick,
like
the
asbestos
surveys.
F
A
lot
of
those
when
you
were
saying
about
the
40%,
a
lot
of
the
houses.
Also
I,
don't
know
if
you
guys
might
not
know
but
there's,
what's
called
a
tangle
title
and
that's
where
someone
that
had
owned
a
property
and
they
may
have
passed
away
and
even
though
they
might
have
heirs
or
kids
that
that
can
come
and
take
that
property
it
can't
be
transferred
into
their
name.
So
that
leaves
a
big
problem
for
the
city
and
it
leaves
a
problem
for
basically
the
magistrate
or
whoever
I
mean.
F
H
B
B
Absolutely
that
that
is
one
of
the
solutions.
There's
a
couple
different
sides
to
that
story.
There
are
advocates
that
believe
that
the
municipality
should
never
own
property.
You
never
take
them
into
or
take
responsibility
for
them,
because
once
they
do
they're
on
the
hook
for
them,
and
then
there
are
the
end
of
the
school
of
thought
that
let's
get
somebody
in
this
house,
let's
get
it
rehabilitation,
let's
get
it
back
on
the
martyr.
Let's
get
it
back
on
the
tax
rolls.
B
So
speaking
to
what
this
gentleman
just
said,
there's
one
derelict
property
that
I'm
working
with
right
now
that
is
just
falling
down.
The
CDC
has
a
buyer
for
it,
but
the
title
is
so
messed
up
that
they
can't
get
it
to
transfer
this
buyers,
never
going
to
do
anything
with
that
property
until
they
have
title
with
it.
Rightfully,
so
you
never
do
something
to
a
property
that
you
don't
own,
but
the
property's
collapsing.
B
So
that's
another
thing:
I'm
babysitting
this
property,
while
it's
falling
apart,
but
the
title
and
transfers
that
these
titles
do
come
into
play,
but
the
land
bank
is
one
of
the
options
and
it's
it's
a
part
in
an
aggregate
of
different
things
that
would
happen.
You
know
we
change
our
fundamental
way.
We
deal
with
it.
We
you
know
work
with
land
banks
and
we
work
with
as
many
people
as
we
possibly
can
to
make
it
more
of
a
communal
effort
to
bring
these
properties
out
of
out
of
the
condemnation
can't.
E
B
That
sounds
like
a
giant
legal
question:
I'm,
not
a
lawyer
I
can't
answer
that
they
don't
play
one
on
TV.
Some
people
accuse
me
a
looking
like
one
I
am
NOT
that
sharp
useless
look
I'm.
Sorry,
if
there's
any
attorneys
in
there
I
did
not
mean
that
so
yes,
the
the
taking
possessions,
possession
of
the
structures
or
the
property
is
part
of
the
land,
banking
and
once
the
land
bank
has
it,
the
transfer
to
the
new
individual
or
organization
is
made
simple.
So
yes,
that
the
title
to
everything
he
said
about
title
issues
is
true.
F
B
When
it
gets
to
condemnation,
we
do
keep
a
file
on
every
property,
I,
don't
list
on
the
condemnation.
Why
it's
been
condemned,
like
I
said
there
could
be
any
number
of
reasons,
just
the
water
being
shut
off.
You
could
come
to
the
office
and
get
a
copy
of
the
file
on
it
and
it
could
list
everything.
That's
in
there.
If
you
buy
a
property
that
is
condemned,
you
have
to
file
a
building,
permit
to
abate
condemnation
and
we'll
put
on
there
what
you
have
to
do
to
pull
it
out
of
condemnation.
B
Like
I
said
it
could
be
condemned.
For
the
smallest
reason,
my
house,
that
I
purchased
for
$1
was
condemned
by
the
county.
It
was
not
condemned
by
the
city,
which
doesn't
count
any
property
that
is
boarded
up
in
the
city.
The
county
assumes
is
condemned
so
when
I
filed
the
building
permit
with
mine,
it
was
in
condemned
with
the
city
but
I
filed
a
building
permit
for
interior
and
exterior
renovations,
but
the
list
of
stuff
that
had
to
be
done
was
too
long
to
write
down.
B
You
know
it
had
been
abandoned
for
five
or
six
years.
There
was
a
hole
in
the
roof
the
size
of
this
table
rained
inside
the
building
for
five
years.
So
you,
if
you're,
asking
me
from
like
a
flipping
a
house
standpoint
sure
if
you're,
if
you're
thinking
about
that
or
any
participate
in
the
community
groups
and
you're
thinking
about
somehow
acquiring
a
property
or
something
like
that.
Your
first
stop
should
be
our
office
in
finding
what
violations
what's
tagged
on
that
house?
What
where
it's
at
in
the
system?
If
it's?
B
So,
okay,
what's
the
status,
so
this
is
this
is
kind
of
playing
to
what
he's
talking
about
right
now.
What
the
condition
of
the
property
is
this
right
here,
this
list
is:
what's
under
contract
right
now
to
be
raised:
two
thousand
nine
d-rod
thirteen
fifteen
ten
fifteen
Homewood
Monticello,
and
this
five
eighteen
brush
in
they're
all
raised
they're
gone.
The
structures
are
gone.
This
remains
on
the
list
on
here,
because
the
job
isn't
complete
until
I
received
the
invoice
from
the
contractor
Monday.
These
will
all
be
taken
off
here.
B
So
this
happens
all
the
time
we
cite
somebody
we
put
it
under
contract.
The
Machine
shows
up
to
start
tearing
the
building
down.
Then
they
come
out
and
cry
foul.
So
if
they
want
skin
in
the
game,
they've
got
to
hire
an
attorney.
Go
down
to
court
get
a
judge
to
say:
yes,
we're
putting
an
injunction
to
stop
this
demolition,
but
once
it
gets
to
this
point,
that's
the
only
way
to
stop
it
in
the
change
from
the
past
was
we
allowed
you
to
file
a
building
permit?
B
B
We
had
a
situation
where
we
were
didn't
take
down
the
building
and
there
was
a
squatter
in
it.
So
a
squatter
has
rights.
They
do
not
have
rights
to
file
the
injunction
because
they
don't
own
the
property,
but
the
property
was
condemned.
They
weren't
allowed
to
be
in
in
the
first
place,
but
the
owner
showed
up
and
filed
the
injunction
so
that
took
and
stretched
that
demolition
out
about
eight
months
that
we
spent
the
court.
B
B
Well,
he's
kind
of
happy
because
when
the
house
burns
or
a
house
has
a
catastrophic
failure
and
there's
insurance
on
it,
the
insurance
company
is
obligated
to
send
a
check
to
the
finance
department
to
remediate
that
so
for
that
house,
I
think
we
got
like
an
$18,000
check
from
the
insurance
company.
If
that
property
owner
doesn't
make
a
move
to
abate
that
condition,
I
can
go
in,
raise
the
structure
and
keep
the
$18,000
from
the
insurance
company.
B
We
just
had
a
property
that
somebody
bought
a
building,
I
want
to
say
it
was
in
Shadyside
rehabilitated
this
entire
apartment
building
from
a
fire,
and
we
were
holding
on
to
two
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars.
Well,
they
didn't
get
that
money
back
until
the
condition
was
abated.
All
the
permits
were
done,
the
occupancies
were
reissued
and
the
insurance
holder
or
the
policyholder
was
issued
that
money
back.
B
Then
it's
kind
of
our
way
to
prompt
you
to
do
what
you're
supposed
to
do
that
house
that
you're
talking
about
that,
the
one
that
just
burned
we
have
18
thousand
dollars
but
to
rebuild
that
home
would
be
two
hundred
and
fifty
thousand.
So
the
person's
probably
going
to
take
the
money
raise
the
home,
keep
the
rest
of
the
money
and
not
rebuild
yeah.
So
it
does
happen.
B
B
The
private
demolitions
that
go
on
are
all
handled
by
the
construction
inspectors,
because
they're
under
permits
and
they're
parts
of
other
construction
projects
are
private
property
owners,
raising
structures
and
it
could
be
a
single-family
home
or
a
demolition
permit
associated
with
some
sort
of
commercial
development
with
raising
20
houses
to
put
in
new
condos
or
whatever
case,
maybe,
but
that
does
not
go
through
me
and
but
I
do
get
a
lot
of
questions
about
demolitions.
So
does
anybody
have
any
additional
questions
about
demo
or
do
we
want
to
move
on.
H
B
B
D
You
brought
up
the
discussion
of
liens
during
your
discussion.
Okay
now
this
is
a
subject
that
I'm
always
interested
in.
How
does
the
city
or
your
department
utilize
a
lien
to
keep
like
the
properties
that
you
don't
own
from
being
sold
out
from
under
you
without
the
lien
being
paid
like?
What's
a
like?
How
do
you
do
it?
You
put
a
lien
on
it
and
then
someone
comes
around
and
wants
to
buy
the
property.
That's
been
raised
and
like
how?
How
does
that
happen
so.
B
A
lien
is
a
legal
action
when
I
lean,
a
property
I
send
a
lien
letter
to
wherever
the
property
address
is
there's
one
thing:
I
don't
do
with
a
lien.
If
the
only
address
that
I
have
is
a
structure
that
I
just
raised
I,
don't
send
them
a
letter.
Okay,
so
you'll
see
sometimes
on.
There
will
say:
lien
letter
will
say
unknown.
I
don't
send
those
out,
because
that
gets
back
to
service.
Then,
if
that
individual,
that
owns
that
property
doesn't
get
serviced
and
they
don't
get
notice,
it
doesn't
count.
B
So
when
we
raise
the
structure,
put
a
lien
against
a
property,
it
becomes
a
legal
action
and
that
is
legally
then
registered
with
the
county.
That
property.
Then,
when
it's
sold
the
liens
have
to
be
satisfied
according
to
how
they're
how
essentially
how
they
are,
who
gets
first
priority,
so
the
municipality
generally
gets
first
priority.
So
go
the
municipality
like
PWSA
and
then
the
bank.
B
So
if
there's
a
mortgage
against
and
generally
bank
doesn't
get
anything
but
leaning
a
property
if
I
go
into
a
neighborhood
that
is
depressed
in
any
way
or
is
struggling
in
any
way.
I
raise
a
house
and
I
lien
that
property
for
$40,000
and
the
property's
on
the
vacant
lots
only
worth
5,000
to
start
with
who's
going
to
pay
the
forty
five
thousand
dollars
for
that
piece
of
land
to
come
in
and
bail
the
house
there.
So
it's
kind
of
a
double-edged
sword.
Yes
we're
putting
the
liens
on
there.
B
Yes,
we're
trying
to
do
the
right
thing
and,
yes,
I
think
it
has
a
profound
effect
on
whether
they're
going
to
redevelop
that
getting
liens
lifted
would
be
something
an
individual
would
petition
the
city
for
CDC's.
Do
it
all
the
time
there's
a
large
lot
up
on
Mount
Washington,
where
there's
a
catastrophic
fire
on
Boggs
Avenue
I
took
down
four
buildings
at
one
time
and
we're
going
to
lien
the
property,
but
the
CDC
wants
to
put
a
bunch
of
housing
in
there.
So
the
CDC
would
petition
the
city
to
get
relief
from
lien.
B
B
How
it
bird
eggs
always
actually
it
wasn't
mysterious
because
he
owner
had
no
insurance,
so
they're
making
no
money
on
this
deal.
In
fact,
they're
losing
everything.
C
B
Know
what
I'm
talking
about
yeah
so
so
the
CDC
has:
what
is
that
four
acres
up
there
or
something?
So
you
know
right
yeah.
So
that
participates
with
that,
and
you
know
if
that
CDC
wants
to
go
to
the
city
and
petition
them
to
somehow
get
relief
from
that
lien,
that's
something
they
can
do.
I
don't
get
involved
in
that
I
do
present
the
information
that
I
retain
if
they
need
it
for
a
legal
issue.
So.
D
B
B
We
have
one
lady.
Is
she
know
what
she's
like
she
lives
in
California
or
something
pays
the
finance
department
$50
a
month.
You
know
on
an
$8,000
lien
for
a
demolition,
so
there's
quite
literally
gonna
pay
that
for
quite
a
few
years
we're
not
the
only
department
that
leans
Public
Works
puts
liens
on
it.
We
work
with
Public
Works
in
that
I'll
go
to
a
property,
will
cite
them
for
garbage
debris,
weeds
up
to
your
neck.
We
send
out
notice
to
send
out
notices,
get
no
action
from
the
property
owners
and
then
we'll
issue.
B
What's
called
a
clean
and
lean
Public
Works,
then
we'll
send
a
crew
over
clean,
the
improper,
entire
property
cut
everything
down
and
then
they'll
put
a
lien
against
the
property.
We
had
a
situation
not
too
long
ago.
An
individual
out
of
town
owned
a
vacant
lot.
The
city
kept
going
over
cleaning
it,
cutting
the
grass
cleaning
up
the
garbage
and
leaning
at
every
single
time.
He
had
a
buyer
for
that
lot
for
ten
thousand
dollars
and
found
out
there
were
thirteen
thousand
dollars
and
liens.
B
So
that
is
one
of
the
problems
with
leaning
it.
So
he
had
a
ready,
willing
and
able
buyer
he's
got
essentially
say.
If
you
want
this
property,
you
got
to
buy
it
back
off
the
city
for
13
grand
north
of
and
he's
gonna
get
nothing,
but
he
claimed
that
he
didn't
get
service.
So
he's
got
to
be
able
to
be
informed.
You
have
to
be
informed
to
get
service,
but
it's
also
the
property
owners
responsibility
that
the
records
with
Allegheny
County
are
correct.
E
B
Types
of
inspectors-
okay,
so
under
operations,
I,
have
essentially
three
different
inspectors.
Three
different
types
of
inspectors
I
have
an
Operations
inspector
that
enforced
the
property
maintenance
code.
They
enforce
the
property
maintenance
code.
We
also
enforce
all
of
the
zoning
regulations.
Zoning
is
a
separate
department,
but
we
do
their
enforcement
in
the
field.
So
when
it
says
you
got
to
be
fight,
your
pools
got
to
be
five
feet
off
the
line.
That's
what
zoning
is
telling
you
we
go
out
and
we
check
it.
B
We
have
fire
maintenance,
inspectors,
they're,
the
ones
that
go
in.
They
come
into
this.
To
make
sure
the
alarms
are
working,
the
strobes
are
working,
the
sprinkler
systems
are
working,
bless
you
and
then
I
have
code
inspectors
that
are
individuals
that
are
in
the
office
that
don't
hold
a
licensing
but
do
very
specific
things.
They
only
cite
for
garbage
and
debris:
busted
sidewalks
junk
vehicles,
indoor
furniture
that
is
now
outdoor
furniture,
the
sofa
on
the
couch
or
the
sofa
on
the
porch
thing.
That
is
a
rule
that
is
in
the
city
code.
B
It
was
before
my
time,
but
somebody
tells
me
he
goes
back
to
Pitt
students
dragging
couches
out
off
their
couches
and
setting
them
on
fire.
So
indoor
furniture
outside
is
a
big
deal
and
having
those
three
individuals
that
are
just
citing
those
things
gives
the
operations
inspector
somewhere
so
they're,
citing
specifically
for
weeds
and
debris,
but
only
on
vacant
lots,
but
there's
thousands
and
thousands
and
thousands
of
vacant
lots
there.
B
So
we
moved
from
our
department
having
individuals,
segregated
and
doing
specific
things
to
certifying
and
licensing
individuals.
On
the
construction
side,
the
construction
inspector
is
licensed
to
do
building
mechanical
brand-new
fire
installations,
energy
and
mechanical.
So
they're
licensed
to
do
those
five
things
in
there
are
combination
inspector.
So
that's
what
that
place
do
that
they're
in
they
have
quite
a
few
disciplines
fairly.
B
B
They
handed
me
a
pad
of
paper
and
a
box
of
pencils.
I
hadn't
seen
a
pencil
in
a
decade,
so
I
was
a
little
concerned,
so
we've
moved
a
department
had
leaps
and
bounds,
we've
digitized
everything
we
have
cell
phones
in
the
hands
of
every
inspector.
We
have
surface
laptops
in
the
hands
of
every
inspector
we've
cross
trained.
Everybody.
B
Because
this
department
is,
let
me
back
up
our
department.
One
of
the
key
things
of
our
department
is
information
dissemination.
We
have
to
get
the
information
out,
there's
a
very
good
chance.
If
you
take
care
of
your
property
or
structure,
you
may
never
interact
with
us
ever.
You
could
own
your
house
for
25
years
and
then
you
want
to
put
a
deck
on
it
and
then
you've
got
to
go
through
the
process.
So
what
we've
done
in
past
three
years
has
made
it
very
intuitive.
Nobody
wants
to
sit
down
and
read
code
books.
B
I
don't
want
to
do
that
they're
hard
to
read
they're
difficult
to
interpret.
So
we
tried
to
make
everything
as
intuitive
as
possible.
By
doing
this
type
of
thing,
you
know
about
PLI
residential
building
permits.
What
do
you
need?
What
do
you
need
for
commercial
permits
and
with
this
we
also
tied
it
to
building
I?
B
That's
what
I
told
you
in
the
very
beginning
that
this
site
is
updated
almost
in
real
time
via
this
site,
so
when
one
of
my
inspectors
get
something
in
their
queue
to
go
out
and
check
for
garbage
and
debris
they're
sitting
at
that
property
and
they
punch
in
there.
Yes,
violations
found
and
they
hit
the
button
and
it
gets
sent
back
in
and
then
that
building
I
pulls
right
from
that
system
and
posts
it
on
here.
A
B
Let
me
back
up
all
permits,
starting
zoning.
If
you
want
a
deck
in
your
backyard,
you've
got
to
go
to
zoning.
First,
that's
where
the
application
starts.
You'll
go
in
there,
they'll
tell
you
whether
you
can
have
the
deck.
Do
you
have
enough
space
for
that
deck
where's
the
deck
allowed
to
be
once
that's
established,
and
they
issue
that
you'll
need
an
occupancy
permit
for
that
as
well.
Then
it
comes
over
to
our
department
in
the
more
issue
the
building
permit
associated
with
that
deck.
So
land
usage
is
zoning.
They
regulate
all
the
land.
B
You've
got
X
amount
of
land
on
your
lot.
You
can
only
use
so
much
of
it.
You
can
only
put
things
so
close
to
the
lot
lines
and
that's
what
zoning
does,
but
we
enforce
that
in
the
field,
but
variances
are
strictly
the
Zoning
Department.
So
if
you
want
a
variance
you
gotta
have
a
hearing.
If
you
want
a
variance,
you
want
to
build
your
deck
and
you
want
to
infiltrate
the
setback.
B
D
B
Where
I
came
from
the
zoning
department,
has
their
own
inspectors
they'll
go
out
and
see
you
applied
for
this?
You
want
you
pull
your
deck
right
here,
we'll
send
somebody
out
to
check
it,
but
here
enforcement
of
their
rules
lands
in
our
office.
We
work
obviously
very
closely
with
the
zoning
but
their
determinations
about
what
happens.
It's
exclusively
exclusively
them.
So.
I
An
example
like
Quinn
of
the
house,
I
I
kind
of
rehab
or
not
Garfield.
What
I
did
is
I
want
to
put
a
condenser
for
AC
outside
and
they
tell
me
how
to
be
things
like
a
foot
of
the
house.
So
then
I
have
to
draw
on
a
paper
like
where
it
needs
to
be
helpful
from
the
house.
What
corner
from
east
what
different
direction
is
to
west
and
they
have
to
make
sure
when
I
have
a
big
basic
technician
to
tell
them
where
exactly
this
needs
to
sit.
So.
I
B
Do
electrical
we
just
we
just
got
a
couple
new
electrical
inspectors,
so
we're
doing
residential
electrical
inspections,
but
commercial
has
been
third
party
because
we
got
reduced
down
to
only
having
one
electrical
inspector
and
there's
a
lot
of
electrical
work
going
on.
So
there's
no
way
that
he
could
have
supported
that
workload.
So
we
did
just
get
two
new
guys
in
there
going
through
the
training
process
and
the
testing
and
licensing
right
now,
but
yeah,
some
of
the
other
stuff.
Does
we
do
third-party
stuff
out
that
we
do
that?
B
So
yes,
our
inspectors
do
get
spread
a
little
bit
thin,
but
we
did
ask
for
more
coming
up
this
year.
So
this
this
is
the
actual
map.
So
when
an
individual
in
one
of
my
inspectors
are
in
the
field,
they
see
the
violation
notice,
they
put
it
in
the
software,
they
click
it
goes
in.
Yes,
it
is
X
not
within
ten
minutes,
but
it
will
show
up
here
shortly
thereafter
and
you'll
get
these
pings
on
this
map
showing
what's
what
and
if
you
use
the
other
side
over
there.
B
The
enforcement
licensing
and
planning
this
also
draws
right
from
Axela.
Axela
is
the
software
package
that
we
use
to
issue
all
of
our
permits.
Out
of
somebody
comes
in
files,
a
building
permit.
This
software
goes
into
Excel.
It
pulls
it
out
and
says:
look
there's
a
building
permit
right
here
for
an
addition
on
this
house,
so
we're
trying
to
make
it.
So
if
your
neighbors
building
something
you
can
go
log
on
at
your
house,
see
if
they
have
a
building
permit,
you
don't
have
to
call
us
so
yeah.
So.
J
So
my
gram
I
have
one
gram
of
magnitude:
don't
wait,
don't
have
the
trees
way
a
different
way
or
she's
whatever,
so
somebody
named
story
built
like
this.
It
looks
like
bikes,
it's
just
bridge
structure,
there's
no
building
permit
like
they
found
that
they
didn't
have
a
feeling
like
some
doctor
came
and
just
start
feeling
Stephanie,
so
the
structures
just
up
there.
We
want
to
make
him
take
it
down
if
you
don't
have
a
print
permit
or
if
you
just
want
to
get
a
permit
for
it.
B
It
very
well
could
be
in
the
depths
of
litigation
right
now,
so
I
don't
know
what
he
built.
I,
don't
know
the
case,
but
if
somebody
went
in
there
and
started
building
or
garage
that
they
had
no
permits,
no
zoning
authorization
or
anything
to
that
effect,
it
would
be
considered
an
unlawful
structure
and
we'll
stick
a
condemned
sticker
on
it.
B
K
K
B
So
you
have
a
you:
have
a
vacant
lot.
You
want
to
build
a
single-family
home
on
that
lot.
First
of
all,
when
you
go
into
zoning,
did
they
allow
you
to
build
the
house?
There?
Is
it
zone
for
a
single-family
home,
yeah,
okay,
so
you're
allowed
to
build
it
there.
So
they're
gonna
give
you
the
authorization
say
yes,
you're
allowed
to
build
this
house
that
you're
claiming
you're
going
to
build.
It
meets
all
the
criteria
it
gets
whisked
over
to
our
office
you'll
file,
the
residential
building
permit
and
then
you'd
submit
a
set
of
plans.
B
The
plans
have
to
go
through
plan
review.
The
permit
is
not
going
to
be
issued,
it's
going
to
be
in
the
Estados
of
applied
for
once
the
plan
review
is
done.
The
plan
reviewers
and
engineers
are
going
to
look
at
and
say.
Yes
all
these
plans
meet
code,
we're
going
to
stamp
them
as
reviewed
will
issue
the
building
permit,
along
with
that,
there's
going
to
be
an
electrical
permit,
a
mechanical
permit,
a
plumbing
permit.
We
do
not
handle
plumbing
by
the
way
Allegheny
County
handles
all
the
plumbing.
All
plumbing
permits
come
from
them
all.
K
B
Something
everybody
that's
been
one
of
the
biggest
advances
in
our
department
right
now,
so
they
could
do
a
residential
review
in
seven
days.
Oh
and
they
tried
to
do
that
because
we
try
to
be
very
accommodating
to
Joe
homeowner.
So
if
you're
building
a
10
million
dollar
house,
your
building
permits
43
bucks.
If
you're
building
a
$5,000
house,
your
permits,
43
bucks,
so
that
never
changes
when
it
comes
to
commercial
permits.
It's
a
formula.
It's
based
on
how
much
they're
spending
Heinz
Field!
B
You
know
the
permits
were
1.5
million
dollars
because
it's
based
on
the
cost
of
construction,
the
new
PNC
down
tower
downtown
the
permits
were
five
hundred
thousand
dollars,
but
a
five
hundred
thousand
dollar
home
or
a
hundred
and
fifty
million
dollar
home
would
be
a
$43
permit.
So
we
don't
want
to
damage
anybody
most
homeowners
do
their
own
work.
You.
A
Just
to
to
Mark's
point
so
Michele,
the
question
you
answer
asked
is
all
that
information
is
right
here
on
the
website
that
it
can
walk
you
through
like
how
to
go
through
the
building
permit.
So
maybe
quick
we
can
go
through
a
building,
I
sure
all
right,
whatever
you
had
planned,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we
covered
that
yeah.
B
So
this
is,
this
is
the
construction
side
of
the
department.
This
is
the
vermin
I
do
not
participate
in
residential
permits.
Building
permits
Dec
Invo.
So
we
broke
this
all
down
to
try
to
be
as
intuitive
as
possible
for
Joe
homeowner
to
get
through
this
process.
Like
I
said,
nobody
in
here
wants
to
read
code
books,
I'm
one
of
them.
B
Nobody
wants
extensive
long
applications
that
you
can
understand,
and
you
don't
know
what
we're
asking
for.
So
this
gives
you
a
little
rundown
of
everything
that
you
need
in
terms
that
everybody
can
understand.
There's
some
contracting
language
that,
even
to
this
day,
I,
can
see
it
up
in
Erie.
We
called
things
one
thing
down
here:
you
call
them
something
else,
so
we
tried
to
make
this
intuitive
as
possible,
going
through
the
zoning
review,
how
to
obtain
residential
building
permits
and
our
review.
So
this
is
what
I
talked
about
about
the
review
process.
B
We
were
thinking
about
that
if
you
want
to
move
your
way
to
the
front
of
the
line,
I
wouldn't
smile
because
it's
gonna
be
really
expensive,
but
there
are.
It
is
plausible,
like
PNC,
tower
downtown,
didn't
get
any
more
preference
than
Joe
homers
getting
Joe
Homer
got
here
once
to
build
their
house.
Pnc
Tower
came
in
behind
because
that's
when
the
stuff
arrived,
but
plans
are
very,
very
important.
B
If
you're
going
to
build
something
in
zoning,
they
want
you
to
put
it
down
on
a
piece
of
paper,
so
you
can
show
them
where
its
act,
it's
a
1
to
16
ratio.
One
inch
on
the
paper
shows
16
feet
and
they
did
that,
based
on
one
inch
being
16
inches
and
being
the
universal
standard
for
measurement.
So
in
construction,
you
do
everything
you
know:
16
inches
on
center,
so
kind
of
keeping
with
that.
B
Planning
going
through
I,
don't
talk
too
much
about
planning,
but
having
everything
down
on
paper
when
you
walk
in
there
is
very
important
and
understanding
how
to
do
it.
You
have
to
draw
things
in
pencil
or
pen
and
they
do
check
them
with
a
scale,
because
the
ruler,
delineates
X
amount
of
feet
and
that's
how
you
can
take
the
1
inch.
An
inch
is
broken
down
on
most
rulers
into
16
increments.
B
That's
how
you've
come
up
with
the
feet,
that's
how
they
use
that
and
you
have
to
do
it
for
your
deck
and
you
have
to
do
it
for
your
pool
and
you
have
to
show
all
this
stuff
on
a
piece
of
paper
and
then
that
piece
of
paper
gets
a
copy
gets
attached
to
the
residential
building.
Permit
that
residential
building
permit
goes
to
the
construction
inspector.
They
say,
Joe
homeowners,
building
a
deck
he
flips
it
over.
He
looks
at
the
page.
B
It's
got
to
be
in
the
northeast
corner
of
that
property
and
he
goes
back
there.
Yep
there's
the
deck.
If
it's
not
so
far
off
the
ground,
he
doesn't
need
a
building
permit.
You
know
if
it
doesn't
break
the
30
inch
mark,
he
doesn't
need
a
building.
Permit,
we're
just
then
going
out
the
construction
inspectors
just
going
out
there
to
check
the
occupancy
permit
he's
getting
an
occupancy
permit
for
that
deck
occupancy
permits
are
very
important.
Anything
you
any
space,
that's
occupied
on
your
property
requires
an
occupancy
permit.
You're
talking
about
your
air-conditioning
condenser.
B
B
It's
gonna
fail,
the
inspection
he's
not
getting
the
akhbar
it
and
the
condensers
gonna
have
to
be
moved
because
zoning
only
approved
it
to
be
on
the
north
side,
not
on
only
proved
it
on
the
south
side,
not
on
the
north
side.
I
feel
like
I'm,
rambling,
anything
else.
No.
L
B
Let
me
say
our
department
does
not
enforce
lot
lines
if
you're
having
a
fight
with
your
neighbor
of
our
lot
lines.
Don't
call
us
call
an
attorney
because
we
do
not
enforce
lot
line
disputes
if
I
have
one
of
my
inspectors
show
up
at
tryouts
and
saying
well
there
doing
this
on
my
lanai,
we
say:
go,
get
a
survey
hire
an
attorney.
Take
that
survey
go
to
court.
If
you
got
an
occupancy
permit
to
build
a
fence,
you
know
fences
make
great
neighbors.
Well,
we
get
50
phone
calls
about
fence
problems
every
week.
B
It's
too
close
to
my
yard.
They
built
it
to
this
that
the
other
thing
where
they
built
it
over
the
property
line.
Somebody
builds
a
fence
over
your
property
line
and
they
got
to
move
the
fence,
but
you
should
have
a
survey.
It's
a
document
that
you
should
have
that's
a
very
good
document
that
you
should
have,
but
we
don't
enforce
lot
lines.
You're,
not
gonna,
see
our
people
not
measuring
anything.
If
it,
you
say
it's
on
the
other
side
of
your
survey,
says
it
on
the
other
side,
tell
it
to
your
attorney.
K
B
District
judges,
so
we
do
use
all
of
them.
Yes,
we
use
all
of
them
all
around
the
city.
Our
work
assignments
are
broken
down
by
wards,
so
I'll
have
somebody
in
wards
three,
four
and
five,
because
three,
four
and
five
is
represented
by
judge
a
I
can't
have
them
in
three
four
and
then
send
them
over
to
ward
32,
because
word,
thirty-two
is
represented
by
judge
Z
and
he
has
court
the
same
day
as
judge
a
so
I
can't
have
them
trying
to
crisscross
the
city
trying
to
get
to
hearings.
B
But
yes,
we,
the
first
line,
is
the
District
Judge
office
and
the
judges
either
dismiss
it.
Find
him
guilty,
give
them
a
continuance
or
whatever
the
case
may
be,
find
them,
and
then
they
have
the
opportunity.
They
have
30
days
to
appeal
it
and
appealing
the
case
comes
here.
The
appeals
court
is
only
hearing
it's
by
a
judge.
B
H
B
A
So
I
would
highly
recommend
if
you're
interested
or
you
know
you
have
any
interest
in
development
or
real
estate
or
anything.
You
know,
building
we're
just
understanding
the
process
better.
To
sign
up
for
this
newsletter
to
get
some
more
information
and
the
community
forums
are
also
all
being
posted
on
the
YouTube
channel.
Is
that.
M
B
M
F
B
B
B
A
A
N
Name
is
caster
baby
I'm,
not
a
second
director
of
housing,
Tony,
a
senior
Pittsburgh.
We
have
one
hundred
sixty
seventy
in
our
budget
and
we
share
over
ten
thousand
residents.
The
first
slide
would
say
that
we
have
two
almost
three
thousand
low-income
housing
throughout
the
city.
Most
time
you
don't
know.
N
Where
is
that
in
some
places
you
do,
but
you
don't
see
some
places
that
we're
gonna
have
that
we
have
at
the
housing
thought
you
pray
end
up,
saying
WOW,
but
then
also
you
learn
earlier
a
lot
of
questions,
one
of
the
things
that
we
have.
We
also
have
the
section
8
program,
which
we
call
the
Housing
Choice
Voucher
program.
We
have
over
6,000
residents
who
participate
in
that
program.
N
We
have
mixed
income
developments,
mixed
income
development
means
we
will
build
something.
We
have
room
for
low
income
for
working
and
also
for
market
great,
and
this
is
a
new
concept,
because
no
days
and
just
build
over
housing
what
we
do
now
we
be
like
mix
community
and
one
thing
or
what
I
want
to
say
about
affordable
housing
in
the
city
of
Pittsburgh-
and
you
know
the
city
of
Pittsburgh
is
very
progressive.
Now
we
got
a
whole
lot
of
things
going
on
right.
So
what
happened
to
the
rents?
N
The
rents
are
going
up,
a
lot
of
people
move
into
the
city.
But
what
do
we
want
here
in
Pittsburgh?
What
everybody
to
enjoy
the
progress,
but
the
same
time
we
don't
want
to
push
people
out
of
the
city
so
for
over
housing
is
a
great
concept,
so
we
can
maintain
the
greatness
of
the
city
where
all
citizens
can
participate
in
nobody's
left
behind.
N
So
we
have
please
like
anybody.
Skyline.
Are
you
saying
skyline?
Okay?
Well,
we
are
quit.
Are
you
saying
it
do
like?
No
to
just
no
public
housing
I
mean
do
look
like
public
public
housing.
All
right,
so
you're
gonna
see
okay.
But
what
are
things
that
is
great
about
this
class
is
that
you
are
gonna,
be
the
people
who
know
yo.
N
You
gonna
intervene
to
go
to
person
in
your
community
because
we
understand
you're
getting
a
piece
of
everything
correct,
and
so,
when
we
use
it,
when
you
sit
there-
and
some
are
gonna
say
worry
about
the
fire
department
worry
about
the
housing
authority.
What
about
these?
These
other
entities
that
we
have
in
the
city
and
I'm
glad
to
see
that
we
have
an
opportunity
to
participate.
So
when
people
say
something
about
the
housing
authority
and
a
for
open
housing,
you
can
give
them
a
conversation
on
both
sides.
N
You
know
well
hard
to
see
you
look
at
affordable
housing
and
how
other
people
don't
get
affordable
housing.
So
the
housing
authority
is
kind.
We
kind
of
like
a
weird
type
government
agency,
our
charters
with
the
state.
We
got
seven
board
members
follow
the
board.
Members
are
appointed
by
the
mayor,
it
doesn't
say,
and
then
we
have
one
appointed
by
one
had
to
be
a
resident
Oh.
N
Our
seven
members
are
part
of
that
and
their
five
for
City
Council,
but
our
money
come
for
all
I'm
99%
of
money,
it's
full
of
money.
You
come
from
the
federal
government.
If
you
heard
a
HUD,
that's
what
we
get
our
money
from
and
then
the
board
hires
the
exec
a
director.
So
the
state
has
a
charter.
The
mayor
appoints
the
board
and
the
money
comes
from
the
federal
government
and
the
board
hires
the
sector
director.
O
Hello:
everyone,
I'm
michele
Sandage
I'm,
the
chief
community
affairs
officer
for
the
housing
authority
of
the
city
of
Pittsburgh,
underneath
my
umbrella
is
community
affairs
as
well
as
resident
services.
So
I'm
gonna
tell
you
a
little
bit
about
the
history.
I
think
everybody
knows
this
gentleman
in
the
picture.
O
Can
you
see
him?
That's
President
FDR,
so
he
was.
He
was
famous
for
starting
this
whole
wave
of
public
housing
back
in
1937.
This
is
him
visiting
a
community.
That's
called
skyline
now,
but
it
was
addison
back
in
the
day
and
he's
handing
out
the
first
keys
to
some
units
there.
In
the
background,
that's
the
mayor
of
the
city,
mayor
skully,
that's
Monsignor,
rice
in
the
back
and
the
first
residents
are
right
in
front
they're
holding
your
children
and
he
is
of
course,
in
the
car
passing
out
the
keys.
O
He
came
to
Pittsburgh
to
dedicate
our
public
housing
in
1937.
It
started
with
Bedford
dwellings,
addison.
They
were
kind
of
being
built
at
the
same
time:
Aliquippa
Terrace,
Arlington,
Heights,
Allegheny
dwellings,
Glen
hazel
and,
of
course,
broadhead
Manor
and
then
later
on,
st.
Clair,
Village
and
Bedford
additions
were
built.
So
in
1960
we
started
with
scattered
site
homes
and
those
are
homes
all
throughout
the
city
of
Pittsburgh,
probably
in
your
neighborhood
right
beside
you,
public
housing
residents
live
there
and
they
receive
operating
subsidy.
O
You
would
not
know
that
folks
who
live
right
beside
you
are
in
scatter
sites,
because
we
make
sure
that
we
keep.
You
know
their
confidentiality
and
we
don't
want
anybody
to
know
that
these
are
public
housing
residents,
there's
sometimes
a
stigma
and
people
tend
to
feel
feel
negative
about
public
housing
residents
living
by
them,
but
your
next-door
neighbor
actually
might
be
a
public
housing
resident
and
then,
if
you
can
just
see
in
the
70s,
we
build
a
lot
of
senior
citizen.
High-Rises
12
of
them
were
constructed
and
we
still
have
11.
O
Today
in
the
70s
and
76
the
section
8
program
was
started.
There
are
a
lot
of
section
eights
throughout
the
city
of
Pittsburgh.
You
may
actually
live
beside
somebody
who's
in
a
section
8
as
well,
and
then
we
expanded
the
program
in
1980
and
in
the
90s,
the
hope
six
redevelopment
started
and
that
kind
of
started
the
new
look
and
feel
of
public
housing
and
took
us
to
where
we
are
today.
So
where
are
we
today?
O
We
are
the
largest
landlord
premiere
provider
and
developer
of
quality,
affordable
housing
for
families
for
senior
citizens
and
persons
with
disabilities,
and
you
can
see
we're
engaged
in
mixed
income
activity,
as
mr.
Binion
said,
in
the
hill,
in
the
East
End
and
on
the
north
end
of
the
city.
So
the
demographic
profile,
if
you
can
see
that
the
total
family
households
that
we
serve
about
10,000,
the
number
of
individuals
that
we
serve
throughout
the
city
are
about
20,000.
O
As
I
said,
we
are
the
largest
landlord
Li
pH,
that's
called
low
income,
public
housing,
there's
2800
and
then
Li
pH
units
and
mixed
income,
another
1,200
Housing,
Choice
vouchers.
You
can
see
that
the
average
income
for
Li
pH
is
twelve
thousand
eight
hundred
dollars.
The
income
is
a
little
bit
higher
and
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
FSS
activity.
Section
eight
has
12
thousand
two
hundred
and
their
income
is
a
little
higher
for
folks
who
participated
in
the
FSS
program.
P
Good
evening
my
name
is
Michelle
Ralston
I'm,
the
director
of
asset
management
for
the
Housing
Authority,
and
tonight
I'd
like
to
talk
with
you
about
three
programs
in
which
the
Housing
Authority
administers.
The
first
program
is
a
program
that's
near
and
dear
to
my
heart,
because
that's
the
program
that
my
team
and
I
oversee
and
that's
the
low
income
public
housing
program
and
within
the
low-income
public
housing
program.
P
There
are
two
portfolios:
there's
a
H,
ACP
owned
and
managed
portfolio
and
then
there's
a
privately
managed,
H
ACP,
monitored
portfolio
of
low-income
public
housing
units
and
they
sit
on
the
H
ACP
land
eligibility
and
the
low
income.
Public
housing
program
is
set
at
80
percent
of
area
median
income,
so
an
example
would
be
for
a
two-person
household.
P
So
the
H
ACP
owned
properties.
As
mr.
Binion
had
said
earlier,
the
Housing
Authority
owns
and
operates
over
twenty
eight
hundred
units.
This
includes
approximately
two
hundred
and
ninety
scattered
site
units
and
our
bedroom
sizes
range
from
studio
to
six
bedroom.
We
have
6
family
communities
and
we
have
11
senior
and/or
disabled
communities,
and
then
we
talked
about
in
Li
pH.
That
second
portfolio
is
the
mixed
finance
portfolio.
P
So
that's
a
group
of
low
income,
public
housing
units
that
are
managed
by
a
third
party
managing
agent,
the
Housing
Authority,
provides
come
regulatory
compliance
of
that
portfolio
and
that
portfolio
includes
five
senior
communities
and
five
family
communities
and
the
communities
on
the
slide.
There
are
Garfield,
Commons
and
Fairmont
I,
don't
know
if
anybody's
familiar
with
either
of
those
properties.
On
the
second
program
is
the
Housing
Choice
Voucher
program,
HCV
or
Action
8
and
within
the
Housing
Choice
Voucher
programs.
P
There
are
two
types
of
vouchers
right,
so
there's
a
tenant
based
about
our
tenant
voucher,
which
means
the
tenant,
can
take
that
voucher
and
they
can
go
to
in
participating
landlord
and
they
can
lease
up
and
there's
a
project-based
housing
assistance
and
that
voucher
or
that
assistance
is
connected
with
the
unit
right
and
in
those
properties.
The
housing
authority
manages
the
waiting
list.
The
Housing
Choice
Voucher
program
is
slightly
different
from
an
eligibility
standpoint
than
Li
pH
and
that
the
income
requirement
is
50%
of
area
median
income.
P
So
for
a
two-person
household,
the
maximum
income
would
be
twenty
nine
thousand
fifty
dollars
and
again,
just
as
in
the
Li
pH
program,
residents
pay
30%
of
their
household
income
toward
rent
plus
utilities.
Now
there
is
another,
there
is
another
HUD
section,
8
program
that
you
might
have
heard
of
in
some
communities
and
that's
a
multi-family
project-based
section.
P
P
Now,
just
because
a
person
qualifies
from
an
income
standpoint,
there
are
factors.
There
are
additional
factors
that
could
have
affect
one's
eligibility
right,
so
there's
income,
but
things
could
disqualify
an
applicant
things
such
as
an
outstanding
balance
and
outstanding
balance
could
be
attributed
to
rent.
That's
due,
it
could
be
attributed
to
maintenance
charges,
it
could
be
attributed
to
legal
fees.
So
if
there's
a
balance
owed
to
a
public
housing
authority
or
a
private
landlord
that
could
be
a
disqualifier
also
criminal
history
could
be
a
disqualifier.
P
Any
participant
in
the
homeownership
program
is
required
to
complete
a
HUD
ownership.
Preparation
course,
and
the
program
is,
is
pretty
awesome
in
that
it
offers
up
to
$8,000
in
closing
cost
assistance
to
eligible
households.
It
offers
a
10-year
forgivable
soft
second
loan
to
increase
the
buyers
buying
potential.
P
F
Real
quick
that
would
blankenship
knoxville.
I
wanted
to
say
about
this
program
right
here
like
there's.
A
lot
of
it
seems
like
you
own,
a
lot
of
properties
that
you're
you're
renting
to
low-income
people
and
the
city's
pressing
homeownership.
How?
What
is
the
outreach
to
those
people
that
are
qualified
for
those
programs
as
to
moving
them
out
of
being
in
that
low-income
renters
status
into
homeowners?.
N
You
know
great
thing
about
today:
you
have
data
on
everything,
and
so
what
happens?
Is
that
my
homeownership
people,
what
they
do
is
they
look
at
the
data
they
look,
who
meet
the
requirements
and
these
sending
letters
to
inform
them
that
the
homeownership
programs
available
those
scattered
site
units
that
we
have
throughout
the
city,
I
would
say
about
80%
of
them.
If
you
live
in
those
homes,
you
can
purchase
it
in
from
the
Housing
Authority.
If
you
live
in
those
homes,
so
we
do
push
hold
on
the
ship
and
we
also
maintain
affordable
housing
yeah.
F
N
We
basically
ended
up
doing
a
combination.
We
do
we
work
with
partners
for
rehab,
we
do
new
homes,
we
take
down
our
old
traditional
developments
and
replace
them
with
mix
finance
mix,
mix
finance
developments,
but
it's
a
challenge
because
you
know
the
city,
a
lot
of
people,
move
it
into
the
city
and
the
prices
go
up
to
challenge
it.
N
Kinda,
like
it's
a
we're
on
the
front
line
to
to
make
sure
that
people
gonna
stay
in
the
city,
that
it
would
win,
affordable,
housing
and
that
combination
records
could
consist
all
the
programs
she
discussed
and
we
believe
we
have
over
two
thousand
people
on
our
waiting
list.
So
it's
definitely
need
yes,
okay.
Thank
you.
Q
Good
evening,
my
name
is
joy,
Pekar
and
I'm.
The
director
of
public
safety
for
the
Housing
Authority
tonight,
I'm
just
going
to
do
like
a
brief
overview
of
some
of
the
items
that
we
do.
A
public
safety
which
includes
our
cameras
and
our
footage
request,
as
well
as
guard
service
exclusion,
list,
silent
complaints
and
anonymous
tip
lines.
I
also
have
some
brochures
that
Molly
will
pass
out
eventually.
Thank
you
normally,
so
that
will
include
some
additional
stuff
that
we
do
at
the
Housing
Authority.
Q
So
currently
we
have
over
800
cameras
throughout
the
city
of
Pittsburgh
that
includes
our
high-rises,
as
well
as
our
family
communities
and
they're
inside
and
outside
throughout
the
communities.
Our
cameras
we
do
external
and
internal
use
for
the
cameras
and
external
use,
of
course,
is
with
the
police
investigations,
whether
that
state,
local
federal,
but
internally
we
also
look
at
garbage
or
snow
removal,
so
we
use
them
for
multiple
uses
throughout
every
single
day.
Chuck.
Thank
you.
The
residents,
of
course,
can
ask
for
video
footage.
We
don't
necessarily
give
it
to
residents.
Q
We
give
it
to
the
police.
We
encourage
all
of
our
residents
to
call
9-1-1
make
a
report
get
a
CC
or
a
number
I
know.
You've
already
went
through
that
at
some
point
in
your
training,
but
we
want
to
encourage
them
to
get
involved
with
the
police,
and
then
we
will
pool
footage
and
work
with
that
investigating
officer
detective,
whatever
agency
that
they
are
involved
with.
Q
We
have
a
forum,
they
work
with
their
manager
to
go
over
it
and
to
fill
it
out,
because
we
need
a
lot
of
details
and
make
sure
that
we
capture
what
it
entails
and
then
we
work
with
the
police,
whether
in
or
the
DA's
office
we
go
to
court
on
the
footage.
The
footage
is
there
to
kind
of
help
all
the
investigators.
Sometimes
you
know
we
still
need
people
to
be
able
to
report
crime
and
to
give
information,
but
the
cameras
really
supplements
that
activity
the
we
have
guards
guard
services
throughout
our
communities.
Q
Currently
we
have
two
companies
that
work
in
our
high-rises,
as
well
as
our
two
booths,
which
we
have
in
North.
U
Heights,
we
have
two
welcomed
booths
and
their
goal
is
to
ask
for
ID
secure
access
control
for
buildings
when
they
come
into
a
building.
We
ask
them
to
call
up
to
a
resident.
You
know
you
come
and
see
your
grandma.
Sometimes
your
grandma
might
not
want
to
see
you
or
there
might
be
somebody
that
doesn't
want
guests
to
come.
So
we
do
call
up
and
say,
hey
somebody's
here
for
you,
they
check
ID.
Q
We
they
try
to
build
a
rapport
with
the
community
and
they
monitor
cameras.
They
also
monitor
the
cameras
they
work
with
the
police
or
any
agencies.
If
there's
an
incident
that
happens
on
the
property,
they're
able
to
be
right
there
and
pull
the
video.
Currently
they
work
on
the
north
side
24
hours
a
day
and
then
our
other
family
communities
and
our
high-rises
they're
there
after
management
leaves
in
the
early
evenings
and
overnight
the
exclusion
lists.
We
have
an
exclusion
list
that
bars
individuals
from
our
properties.
Q
If
someone
gets
arrested
on
our
property
or
adjacent
to
our
property,
they
can
be
put
on
a
list
that
we
exclude
them
from
any
of
our
property
and
it
doesn't
matter
if
they
got
arrested
in
North
U
and
now
they
want
to
go
to
Glen
hazel
they're
barred
from
all
of
our
property.
If
there
are
a
resident
and
get
arrested
once
we
go
through
the
formal
eviction
and
they
get
evicted,
then
we
will
go
ahead
and
add
them
to
the
exclusion
list
for
any
criminal
activity.
We
don't
put
you
on
the
list.
Q
If
you,
you
know
you're
late
with
your
rent
and
you
got
evicted
because
you
didn't
pay
your
rent,
the
once
they're
on
that
list
they're
on
there
indefinitely,
but
after
2
years
of
being
a
good
citizen,
they
can
petition
to
come
off
the
list
and
there's
a
whole
petition
process
which
is
available
on
our
website,
as
well
as
all
the
management
offices
and
somebody
goes
on
there.
We
send
them
a
certified
letter
to
tell
them
that
they're
on
the
list
and
if
they
were
to
get
arrested
in
a
building
or
at
somebody's
home.
Q
We
also
send
that
tenant
or
the
building's
tenants,
a
notice
that
they
have
been
put
on
the
list.
So
they're
aware
all
of
our
exclusion
lists
are
on
our
HACCP
website,
as
well
as
in
all
the
management
office,
and
anybody
that
once
one
can
also
request,
if
they
don't
have
access
to
a
computer
and
we
mail
them
out
to
them
as
well.
We
also
have
a
silent
complaint
form
as
well
as
an
anonymous
tipline.
The
silent
conflict
complaint
forms
which
I
have
a
few.
If
you
want
to
see
them,
we
do
one
up.
Q
We
try
to
make
sure
that
our
residents,
if
you
don't,
have
a
stamp
or
if
you
don't
want
to
hand
in
the
form
to
your
manager
or
send
it
from
your
house.
We
give
you
a
complaint
form.
We
mail
them
out
to
all
residents
once
a
year,
but
they're
also
on
in
all
the
management
offices
that
have
a
stamped
self-addressed
envelope,
so
that,
if
you're
at
the
grocery
store
on
the
other
side
of
town
or
wherever
you
can
throw
it
in
the
mailbox.
Well,
you
try
to
throw
me
off.
Go
ahead.
F
But
they
are
from
the
life
that
they
live
prior
to
coming
to
America
they're,
not
too
familiar
with
dealing
with
the
authorities,
because
maybe
the
regime
was
not
right,
but
also
there's
that
they're
not
able
to
talk
with
the
people
that
are
there
for
them
or
quote-unquote
able
to
be
there.
So.
Q
We
do
we
do
have
a
somewhat
solution
to
that.
So
what
we've
been
doing
is
we've
been
working
with
that
population
in
North?
U
we've
been
having
meetings,
we've
been
working
with
the
police.
We've
also
created
magnets,
because
what
we
have
found
is
that
a
lot
of
times
the
language
barrier
when
they
call
9-1-1,
they
can't
communicate
with
911.
Q
So
we
have
made
magnets
that
are
gonna,
be
in
this
magic
bag,
but
we
have
made
magnets
in
various
languages
so
that
they
can
put
it
on
the
refrigerator
and
at
least
do
the
basics
to
be
able
to
say
you
know
who
they
are,
where
they're
calling
from
and
I
forget,
the
other
things
once
Michelle
pulls
them
out.
But
in
addition
we're
getting
ready
to
do
a
mock.
Q
But
we
have
been,
we've
been
working
on
those
magnets
for
a
while
I'm
glad
to
say
that
they
are
done
now,
so
they
will
be
going
out
to
all
the
community
so
that
they
have
all
the
population
so
that
they
have
it.
So
that's
one
thing
and
we,
but
we
have
been
working
with
the
police
as
well
to
build
that
relationship.
You
know
it's
a
everyday
challenge.
Q
You
you're
welcome.
Thank
you.
Okay,
so
back
to
silent
complaint
forms.
They
are
available
in
the
management
office
on
the
website.
Like
I
was
saying
they
can
go
anywhere
and
throw
that
complaint
into
a
mailbox.
If
they
do
want
to
give
it
to
the
manager
they
can
or
they
can
go.
We
have
a
public
safety
at
HHS,
CP,
org
email
address,
plus
we
have
an
anonymous
tip
line.
Q
I
got
to
tell
you
about
the
anonymous
tip
line
is
for
you,
I
say
you
because
I'm
not
counting
myself,
although
I
know,
if
you've
been
remember
when
Bella
PA
was
around
and
we
had
the
phone
system
where
you
could
go
ahead
and
dial
into
the
phone,
but
you
didn't
have
a
you.
Didn't
have
an
answering
machine
at
your
house,
but
somehow
magically
you
had
an
answering
service,
that's
what
we
have
its
back
way
back
in
the
day,
but
you
so
I,
don't
know.
Q
If
you
call
I
can't
star-69,
you
I,
don't
see
when
you
call
so
it's
completely
anonymous.
So
I
tell
everybody,
that's
a
good
thing
for
you,
but
on
the
flipside,
if
you
do
not
leave
me
your
name
I
can't
call
you
back
when
you
say:
hey
I
want
a
reply.
If
you
don't
give
me
enough
information,
I
can't
call
you
back,
because
you
didn't
give
me
enough
information
to
get
you.
Q
One
thing
that
guess
I
forgot
to
mention
is
there
is
a
grievance
period.
So
if
somebody
thinks
that
they've
been
put
on
the
list
incorrectly
or
it
was
their
twin
brother
or
whatever
that
they
did-
that
it
might
not
have
been
them
or
or
can
be
something
that
we
can
reevaluate,
they
can
grieve
it.
There
is.
We
do
have
programs
that
deal
with
expunging
records,
so
we
have
that
and
Michelle
can
talk
more
about
it,
but
we
have
that
program
with
Duquesne
University
and
we
have
an
RSS
Department
that
works
with
residents.
Q
Normally,
when
somebody
is
excluded,
it's
somebody,
that's
not
a
residence.
It
may
be
somebody
that
legally
not
a
resident.
You
know
they
maybe
have
been
staying
on
the
property
but
they're
not
legally
a
resident,
but
they're
still
eligible
for
our
expungement
program.
What
you
came
and
their
family
is
eligible
for
the
RSS
programs
that
we
do
nothing
the
sales
area,
so
I
can't
I,
don't
want
too
much
and.
C
Just
a
quick
follow
up:
do
we
track
any
type
of
metrics
performance
metrics
in
terms
of
so
these
new
multi-use
facilities,
where
we
have
a
mixed
use
of
income
properties
as
well
as
low
income
properties?
Is
there
any
type
of
tracking
to
understand
how
beneficial
these
properties
are
and
how
beneficial
the
programs
are
for
helping
these
individuals
get
out
of
low-income
housing
and
obtain
equity
within
their
properties,
so
that
they
can
ultimately
take
that
next
step
for
themselves?.
Q
R
Give
my
little
spiel
in
a
minute
but
there's
all
kinds
of
national
data
on
how
mixed
income
communities
benefit.
Families
I,
don't
think
we
track
anything
specifically,
but
there's
so
much
data
out
there
that
it's,
it's
sort
of
an
established
fact
at
this
point,
I,
don't
know
if
that
kind
of
answers.
Your
question
sure.
C
N
Do
I
say
about
mix
finance
development?
You
always
talk
about.
You
take
a
village
to
raise
a
community
so
in
the
mixed
by
this
development.
It's
like
some
other
developments
you
could
have,
and
this
is
true
I,
don't
make
this
statement.
You
can
be
verified.
You
can
invent
this
statement,
you
could
have
a
doctor
living
next
door
and
next
and
then
the
neighbor
could
be
someone
working
at
McDonald's.
Now
that
could
be
a
single
mom
or
a
single
parent.
But
it's
a
tired.
You
know
it
took
a
community.
You
see
somebody
doing
something
great.
N
A
kid
sees
that
it's
sort
of
thinking
about
that,
so
the
mix
financed
communities
make
a
difference
and,
like
there's
lots
of
data
out
there,
what
we
see
when
people
move
from
our
traditional
public
housing
and
moving
to
mixed
finance
development,
we
see
a
difference
in
in
school
records.
We
also
because
where
the
kid
is
in
the
room
and
in
the
room
is
large
enough,
so
they
can
sit
and
study
and
do
the
things
they
need
to
do.
N
N
C
N
One
thing
good
about
the
city
of
Pittsburgh:
we
have
a
great
Housing
Authority
when
you
miss
that
okay,
so
we
have
found
creative
ways
to
work
with
partners,
foundations
and
and
other
people
to
to
provide
affordable
housing
city
of
Pittsburgh,
for
example.
We
are
a
program
unit
about
choice.
Oh
okay,
let
me
let
them
talk
first,
okay,
so.
R
O
O
Well,
I'm
glad
you
asked
me
so
it's
Luther,
Vandross
I'm
not
meant
to
live
alone.
Current
is
house
into
a
home
because
remember
a
house
is
just
four
walls,
but
what
we
do
at
the
Housing
Authority
is
we
don't
let
people
live
alone?
We
have
programs
and
services.
The
village
concept
is
very,
very
viable.
We
have
seniors.
We
have
persons
with
disabilities.
O
We
have
a
large
immigrant
population
as
well,
and
the
other
thing
is
that
there
are
four
walls,
but
we
try
to
make
sure
what's
happening
inside
of
the
home
is
just
as
beneficial
as
your
new
home,
because
if
you
don't
it's
just
it's
just
a
house,
okay,
so
these
are
some
of
the
residents
services.
As
you
can
see,
we
invest
more
than
two
million
dollars
a
year
in
residence
services,
so
the
family
self-sufficiency
program,
it's
called
FSS.
This
program
is
a
voluntary
program.
I'll
talk
more
about
it,
but
it
does
programs
service
coordination.
O
We
do
specialized
training,
we
have
section
3
and
resident
employment
right
now,
year-to-date
there
are
a
hundred
and
thirty
seven
residents
who
have
been
employed
through
this
program.
We
have
computer
training
and
GED
prep
classes
as
well
that
the
Housing
Authority
provides
so
I
I
mentioned
earlier.
This
program
is
voluntary.
O
It's
a
HUD
voluntary
five
year
program
residents
can
get
in
this
program
and
they
can
do
sustainable
employment
in
order
to
facilitate
some
upward
mobility
and
clients
and
residents
work
together
with
the
thing
that's
called
a
contract
of
participation
and
they
also
get
tracked
as
it
relates
to
their
progress
through
these
individual
training
and
services
plans.
Now
I'll
share
a
secret
with
you.
If
you
promise
it
doesn't
go
any
further
than
this
room.
O
Do
I
get
a
couple
nods
here:
okay,
oh,
wait:
we're
we're
on
YouTube
yeah!
No
I,
don't
want
to
speak
in
the
mic,
so
this
program
has
an
escrow
component
to
it.
What
happens
is
when
breath
residents
participate.
If
you
come
in
and
your
rent
is
a
hundred
bucks
and
all
of
a
sudden,
you
start
to
elevate
yourself
as
it
relates
to
employment
and
now,
all
of
a
sudden,
your
rent
goes
up
to
five
hundred
dollars.
O
We
keep
the
hundred
the
other
four
goes
into
your
escrow
program
and
that
yeah
you're
shaking
your
heads,
like
you're
gonna,
tell
the
secret,
and
that
helps
you
so
that
if
you
do
that
for
five
years,
you
have
a
nice
little
nest
egg
to
get
into
our
homeownership
program
to
be
able
to
purchase
a
home.
It's
a
HUD
federal
program,
we're
very
proud
of
it,
and
right
now,
13
people
this
year
have
purchased
homes.
O
So
we
talked
a
little
bit
about
workforce
development.
Like
I
said
we
have
on-site,
GED
activity,
computer
training,
construction
and
chiton
skilled
training
programs
with
a
couple
of
entities
in
the
city,
mentors
community,
empowerment,
Association,
as
well
as
trade
Institute
of
Pittsburgh.
We
have
our
home
health
aide
activity.
We
have
free
free.
My
favorite
four
letter
word
driver's
education
for
residents.
Right
now
we
have
about
32
people
who
are
enrolled,
and
this
year
year-to-date
about
21
residents
have
obtained
driver's
licenses.
So,
of
course,
this
enables
folks
to
be
able
to.
O
You
know,
look
for
better
employment
being
able
to
get
to
you
know
school
activity
and
whatnot,
so
we're
really
proud
of
that
investing
in
youth.
So,
as
we
said
earlier,
we
have
about
7700
youth.
It's
you
see.
Fifty
eight
hundred
are
in
HCV
and
nineteen
hundred
are
in
our
public
housing
area.
We
house
about
750
children
zero
to
five,
so
we
have
a
lot
of
children
and
we
partner
with
a
number
of
outside
entities
that
provide
services
and
programs.
You
know
for
our
residents
free
of
charge.
O
One
of
them
is
the
B
jwl
after-school
program
and
that's
for
children
ages,
6
through
17
earlier
we
said
we
were
working
with
Duquesne
University
two
initiatives:
one
is
this
early
childhood
learning
center,
which
we're
doing
non-traditional
hours
as
it
relates
to
daycares
childcare,
so
that
that
way,
if
you're
working
the
graveyard
shift
or
you're
working,
a
Saturday
or
Sunday
you'll
be
able
to
drop
your
children
off.
So
we're
looking
forward
to
kicking
that
off
and
the
other
thing
that's
in
place
is
J
rap
and
that
is
our
juvenile
re-entry
program
with
Duquesne
University
I.
O
Think
you
ask
the
pro
the
question
about
what
we
do,
and
so
we
will
refer
residents
to
this
program.
It's
a
free.
You
know
service
that
Duquesne
provides
now.
This
is
ages
24
and
under.
That
is
our
program,
but
the
Law
Clinic
will
take
adults
as
well,
so
they
do
it
all.
So
we
invest
in
residents
a
number
of
ways.
I
think
I
told
you.
Education
is
one
of
the
key
things
that
we
do.
We
have
a
scholarship
program.
It's
called
clean
slate
III
that
stands
for
educating,
entertaining
and
encouraging
positive
lifestyles.
O
Year-To-Date
we've
given
out
one
hundred
and
forty
thousand
dollars
in
scholarship
funds
to
more
than
forty
students.
We
have
a
partnership
with
need
and
that
matches
our
activity
as
well
as
Pepsi,
and
then
I
also
told
you
and
I
think
the
other
Michelle
told
you
about
our
a
homeownership
program,
as
you
can
see
over
a
hundred
families
over
the
years.
The
past
ten
years
have
purchased
homes
through
that
program.
O
So
this
picture
is
nour.
Few
Heights
our
residents
participate
in
a
number
of
programs.
This
one
is
grow.
Pittsburgh
we
have,
like
I,
said,
invested
a
lot
of
money
in
programs
and
services,
and
these
are
our
dollars.
We
do
things
with
the
Allegheny
County
Health
and
Human
Services,
the
area
on
Aging
Matilda,
Tyson,
UPMC,
BJ
WL.
As
I
said,
we
have
Reading
Is,
Fundamental
and
youth
places,
and
all
of
these
people
show
up
in
either
we
subsidize
them
or
they
provide
services
for
free
any
questions.
Yes,
you
have
a
question.
S
Hi,
my
name
is
Eric
and
I
actually
represent
Marshall
Shale
in
here,
but
I
have
a
couple
questions
too
two
questions
and
I
hear
you
use
the
example
of
McDonald's
versus
the
doctor.
Moving
in
it
doesn't
seem
to
me
that
it
would
be
so
much
of
an
issue
for
the
kid
or
the
person
who
works
at
McDonald's
to
live
there
as
it
would
be
for
the
doctor
to
want
to
live
next
to
the
kid
who
works
at
McDonald's.
So
how
do
you
get
that
person
to
buy
in
because
I
hear
what
you're
saying?
S
Yes,
that
the
there's
there's
facts
and
it
can
be
vetted
and
checked
that
this
does
benefit.
This
does
benefit,
though,
but
it
seems
like
there's
more
of
a
fear
on
the
people
who
are
more
affluent,
that
you're
going
to
bring
my
child
down
and
make
my
child
less
of
the
person
he's
supposed
to
be
then
them
caring
that
my
child
is
going
to
or
mine
I'm,
going
to
influence
your
child
and
your
family
to
come
up
and
strive
more.
So
how
do
you
get
them
to
buy
into
that?
That's!
My
first
look
good.
N
Job,
what
happens
is
that
most
of
the
people
professionals
are
talking
about.
These
are
young
professionals
who
move
into
the
community
them
not
moso.
Most
of
them
probably
haven't
started
their
family.
They
have
moved
to
Pittsburgh,
they
work
in
need
and
they
have
a
type
of
personality
philosophy
of
life
that
that
allows
them
to
move
in
their
community
and
be
able
to
blend
in
and
work
with.
You
know
work
with
their
neighbors,
so
it
works
out
pretty
good
yeah.
N
You
have
a
choice
these
on
the
market
rate
units,
because
in
you
know
you
could
have
one
unit
different.
Somebody
might
pay
$30
of
rent
for
the
same
type
unit,
but
a
market
unit
they're
right
next
door.
You
could
be
paying
at
$1,100,
and
so
that's
just
a
choice,
but
I
have
to
tell
you
on
our
market
rate
units.
People
are
standing
in
line
trying
to
get
in.
So
it's
a
choice.
Okay,.
S
S
My
second
question,
though,
is
there
was
a
time
when
people
were
not
as
accepting
and
they
moved
away
and
I,
don't
know
where
you
guys
are
from,
but
I'm
from
Pittsburgh
and
the
Hill
District
has
a
special
place
in
my
heart
because
and
sure
throughout
any
resident
of
Pittsburgh
and
throughout
this
nation,
really
because
there's
a
rich
african-american
history
in
the
Hill
District.
So
now
the
people
who
were
forced
to
live
in
that
section
of
town
at
when
it
came
to
that
point
and
they've
built
their
families
in
their
homes
and
I'm.
S
Looking
at
this
skyline
and
I'm
thinking-
oh,
this
is
beautiful,
but
now
you're
pushing
mixed
housing
or
units
and
bringing
other
people
in
what
happens
to
those
families
who
don't
want
to
move
out
or
who
want
to
come
back.
But
because
you
want
it
to
be
a
mixed
income
unit,
they
can't
come
back
into
their
home's
that
that
bothers
me.
Okay,.
N
So
so
wonder
you
don't
know
that
when
we
do
start
demolition
process,
we
have
relocation
and
families
who
probably
live
in
old
Edison.
They
all
had
the
opportunity
to
come
back
and
we
pretty
successful
in
it.
But
I
will
go
and
record
said
that
Edison
had
a
whole
lot
of
1-bedroom
units
I.
We
did
not
bring
him
Lots
a
big
1-bedroom
units
back,
but
for
the
first
phase
we
have
four
phases
or
Addison
I.
Think
that
when
we
got
ready
to
ticket
down,
we
have
513
units
all
these
families
who
want
to
come
back.
N
We
have
phase
1
and
phase
2
and
phase
3,
and
we
the
process,
is
doing
a
phase
for
all
the
families
that
then
I
taught
my
warm
bedroom
families
of
two
to
four.
Only
we
have
any
fires,
two
to
four
all
those
families
that
wanted
to
come
back
and
was
able
to
come
back
and
then,
when
you
talk
about
choice
neighborhood,
he
gonna
talk
about
in
a
minute
he's
ordering
east
livery
all
that
building
stuff
we're
doing
east
livery
and
we
took
down
some
places.
All
those
families
have
the
right
to
come
back.
N
S
C
S
N
I'm
not
gonna
get
into
fairness.
What
I'm
gonna
say
is
that
everyone
who
we
move
out
they
were
able
to
be
relocated,
which
is
some
of
the
properties
that
we
already
have
or
there
you
see
section,
8
vouchers
and
it
you
know
it
could
move
where
they
want
to
go
to.
I.
Think
that
we
I
think
we
worked
this
out
pretty
well
I
think
we
got
a
balance
I,
don't
think
we
really
got
any
challenge,
but
I
think
it.
T
Either
or
Michelle
or
anyone
who's
up
there,
real
quick
yesterday
I
was
at
a
community
meeting
in
Sheridan
Molly
was
there
in
the
topic
of
section,
8
came
up
and
actually
I
believe
a
gentleman
from
one
of
your
departments.
Knowledge
was
there
and
he
he
was
very
knowledgeable.
He
was
able
to
respond
to
a
lot
of
the
residents
questions,
but
some
of
the
issues
that
came
out,
at
least
in
my
opinion,
were
more
more
of
a
complaint
about
section
8
in
the
the
people
with
living
in
those
section,
8,
housing
and
Sheridan.
T
When
gap,
shorter
city,
well,
I
can't
even
say
shorts,
I'm,
not
sure
and
Sheridan.
Most
of
them
are
maybe
scatter
sites
over
there
don't
know,
but
I,
don't
think
a
lot
of
people
understand
some
of
the
things
that
you
just
talked
about
like
the
scatter
sites,
some
of
the
eligibility
for
section
8.
Is
it
a
possibility
for
knowledge
or
someone
else
to
come
back
over
to
that
community
and
and
give
this
presentation,
because
there's
a
lot
of
misconception
about
some
of
the
people
who
are
living
in
those
properties.
Now
there
are
some
people.
T
N
So,
first,
let's
talk
about
scattered
sites,
scattered
site,
all
houses,
they're
owned
by
the
Housing
Authority.
We
have
a
great
relationship.
I
know
that
side
of
town,
especially
your
Councilwoman
Smith.
She
keeps
me
in
check
really
she
so
so
you
need
to
tell
her
that.
So
she
definitely
would
talk
to
me
so
in
our
scattered
sites
with
houses
that
we
have
you
don't
know,
which
is
which
and
and
we
kind
of
like
everybody
cut
their
grass
on
Monday
the
people
who
live
in
our
sky
site
house,
and
they
will
cut
that
grass.
N
You
blend
it
to
the
community
and
what
do
I
say
about
scattered
sites?
Is
it
based
upon
to
be
selected
for
scatter
sites?
You
ought
to
be
le
disabled
or
you
had
been
working
for
two
years,
because
one
thing
about
it:
if
you're
in
a
single
house-
and
you
know
it
takes
money
to-
you-
know-
cut
your
grass
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff,
and
so
when
we
find
out
people
who,
for
the
working
be
able
to
maintain
their
their
houses
and
and
they
blend
into
the
community
and
everything
works
out.
N
Well,
there's
lots
of
times
that
when
someone
would
pass
away,
some
I
would
say
who
going
to
get
the
house.
That
means
that
family's
been
living
there
for
a
long
time
and
no
one
ever
knew
those
houses
blown
to
the
house
of
30.
Now,
as
far
as
section
8,
the
section
8
I
have
two
two
ways:
I
can
say
about
section:
8
want.
We
can
I
tell
you
which
houses
they
are
but
councilman
Smith.
She
have
you
called
her.
She
would
contact
the
housing
throne
and
we
look
into
it
if
they
blown
to
that
F.
N
It's
a
section,
8
property
and
we
find
something
wrong.
Only
we
can
do
is
stop
payment.
Well,
I
have
to
tell
you
for
every
15
calls.
This
call
in
that
you
think
is
section
8,
it's
probably
two
of
those
or
section
eight,
because
we
have
inspection
requirements
and,
as
somebody
can
make
a
complaint
who
will
go
out
and
ever
there's
problems,
we
would
terminate
that
resident
from
the
program
and
then
landlord
might
let
them
stay
there
and
we
had
lost
that
situation
on
that
side
of
town,
but.
T
N
L
N
You
know
you
can
call
the
housing
authority
can
look
into
it,
but
section
eight
is
a
opportunity
for
low-income
people
who
need
a
place
to
stay,
but
do
not
make
enough
income
to
be
able
to
compete
with
the
raising
rent
in
the
city.
But
we
take
section
a
very
serious
and
the
landlords
who
who
and
that's
who
is
not
supporting
our
program
or
supporting
the
city
program
or
not
trying
to
be
a
good
neighbor.
We
have
situations,
take
care
of
them,
but
the
thing
about
it.
N
They
moved
somewhere
else,
then
I'm
getting
the
house
Nick
we're
paying
the
taxes
on
the
house
and
the
house
is
there
or
they
tried
to
rent
the
houses
but
they'd
little
somewhere
else
when
I
think
they're
as
a
team
Pittsburgh.
You
know
where
city
government
we're
trying
to
trying
to
work
that,
but
that's
the
reality.
N
I
This
is
now
I
need
somewhere
and
then
I
need
section
8
and
it
went
for
like
a
month
we
finally
got
into,
and
then
the
landlord
raised
the
price
compared
to
whatever
they're
living
in
a
neighborhood.
And
then
she
went
back
and
saying
you
know:
I
can't
afford
this,
and
only
she
don't
work.
My
dad
probably
worked
just
like
he
doesn't
even
speak
English,
so
he
just
were
in
an
interval
job
like
make
buck
an
hour
which
is
probably
like
15,000
20,000
a
year,
so
he
went.
My
mom
went
back
there,
it's
like!
I
Well,
we
can
help
you
with
this
house.
We
pay
what
we
pay,
we
pay.
What
we
can.
You
can
move
out
of
the
place
and
go
whatever
else.
You
want
to
go,
but
she's
comfortable.
Whatever
she
live
in
and
then
the
landlord
is
okay
and
the
neighborhood
is
really
great
slaughtering
us,
but
was
not
bad,
but
it's
right
now
it's
crazy
and
that
happened
with
my
palace
and
then
later
myself
am
a
landlord
in
same
situation.
I
Is
they
still
a
section?
Eight
Pierre
is
still
in
Section
eight
and
my
house
can
expect
the
past
every
two
years,
but
same
thing,
I
was
getting
under
paid
for
just
mayhem
in
there,
because
a
vibrant
is
a
whole
house.
Department
is
a
$900
a
month,
but
I'm
only
getting
paid
600,
which
is
okay,
I'm
willing
to
help,
and
in
another
year
I
came
by.
So
we
draw
the
actually
drop
it
down
and
I
was
like
I
could
kick
this
people
out,
but
where
they
gonna
go,
I
didn't.
I
R
All
right
good
evening.
Finally,
my
name
is
Darrell
Davis
I
am
the
chief
development
officer
at
the
Housing
Authority
and
before
I,
throw
a
bunch
of
numbers
at
you.
Just
wanted
just
a
quick
word
about
how
I
got
here.
I
was
came
from
the
Canton
Housing
Authority
and
I
had
a
pretty
good
gig.
There
I
was
doing
some
pretty
good
stuff,
just
getting
it
off
the
ground
and
when
they
contacted
me
about
this
job,
I
was
thinking.
Well,
you
know,
I
got
a
lot
of
stuff
here.
R
I
hadn't
finished
yet
I'm,
not
really
sure
I
want
to
leave
to
take
on
some
new
and
gentlemen
called
me
up,
and
he
said
once
you
come
down
and
have
a
conversation,
I
guarantees
and
never
hurts
to
have
a
conversation.
So
he
said
you
know
some
of
the
things
we're
doing
here.
I
think
you'd
be
quite
interested
in
I,
said:
okay,
so
I
called
around
checked
on
him
and
one
one
of
my
friends
who's
sort
of
an
authority
on
affordable
housing.
All
over
the
country
told
me
man.
R
So
some
of
the
stuff
going
on
here,
they've
created
all
kinds
of
new
programs,
they've
taken
a
very
complex
set
of
federal
state
and
local
rules
and
blended
them
into
something
that
we
could
use
to
build,
affordable
housing
for
the
future.
So
that's
just
a
little
bit
about
some
of
these
numbers
I'm
about
to
throw
at
you
real,
quick.
So
what
we
do
is
we
create
sustainable,
viable
mixed
income
communities.
R
R
Well,
somebody
looked
at
that
and
said:
wait
a
minute.
We
know
how
to
do
this
stuff.
We've
been
doing
this
stuff
just
as
long
as
they
have.
Why
are
we
letting
them
walk
away
with
all
the
fees?
So
what
we
started
doing
was
develop.
We
started
self
developing.
We
created
a
separate
to
actually
take
this
public
money
to
go
out
and
build
these
new
communities
where
we
take
the
developer
fee.
We
take
the
rents
and
we
take
it
and
build
more
affordable
housing
choice.
Neighborhoods.
We
are,
if
I'm
correct
me.
R
If
I'm,
if
I'm
wrong-
but
we
are
the
only
city
in
the
country
that
has
gotten
two
separate
Choice
Awards
one
for
East
Larimer,
one
for
the
hill
district-
that
East
lame'
is
an
implementation
grant
of
thirty
million
dollars,
which
we
use
to
leverage
a
whole
lot
more
and
the
second
one
is
a
planning
grant
for
the
Bedford,
the
Bedford
Hill
District
on
the
hill.
The
other
part,
that's
for
our
Development
Department,
we're
actually
three
departments
under
my
purview.
One
is
development.
One
is
modernization.
R
Our
modernization
department
takes
care
of
all
those
properties
that
he
talked
about
that
we
own.
We
have
to
keep
those
in
working
condition
until
we
can
get
around
to
redeveloping
them,
and
that
can
be
you
know,
public
housing.
We
all
know
the
way
it
was
built
back
in
the
40s
and
50s.
So
that
can
be
a
daunting
task,
but
we
have
a
dedicated
team
who
has-
and
you
can
see
this
is
actually
under
construction.
R
So
it
looks
a
little
more
cluttered,
but
we've
actually
done
some
excellent
renovation
jobs
on
some
of
the
properties
that
we
own
one
of
the
things
I
wanted.
One
of
the
things
that
mr.
Bingham
bragged
about
before
he
brought
me
here
was
that
our
dev
mod
capital
program
has
achieved
16
straight
years
of
zero
audit
findings
and
if
you
have
ever
seen
the
paperwork
that
it
takes
to
do
a
modernization
job,
you
would
know
that
is
an
incredible
incredible
task.
R
Some
of
the
different
things
we've
taken,
some
pretty
old
houses
and
we
fixed
them
up
to
make
them
look
to
make
them
blend
more
into
the
community
to
make
them
look
more
like
their
surroundings.
This
here
is
that
road
going
to
North
View.
That
is
actually
a
PennDOT
quality
road
that
we
actually
made
the
investment
in,
because
all
the
traffic
going
up
and
down
that
hill
put
a
wear
and
tear
on
that
street
and
our
technical
team.
R
So
let
me
address
just
a
couple
of
things
that
I
heard
while
I
was
sitting
here
number
one,
you
asked
a
question
I
believe
about
the
scattered
sites.
Is
that
right,
executive
directors,
love
scattered
sites
a
whole
lot
more
than
development
people
do
because
one
of
the
realities
of
scattered
sites
is,
we
can
buy
a
house
and
we
can
put
a
family
in
there
and
that
part
is
wonderful.
R
But
in
order
for
me
to
go
in
and
fix
a
house,
the
cost
is
going
to
be
two
to
three
times,
sometimes
what
it
would
take
a
private,
a
private
person
to
go
in
and
fix
that,
because
we
have
federal
prevailing
wage.
We
have
to
bid
up.
We
have
the
four
prime
rule
in
principle
in
Pennsylvania,
where
we
have
to
bid
out
the
four
Prime's
separately.
We
have
all
of
these
different
rules,
make
it
extremely
complicated
to
renovate
these
houses
when
they're
at
the
end
of
their
useful
life.
R
F
Great
salesman
for
that
for
that
point,
but
as
a
concerned,
community
citizen
and
long
term,
investment
with
14
children
in
Pittsburgh
I
do
believe
that
a
lot
of
the
housing
here
that
we
have
wherein
PLI
and
they'll
tell
you
about
it.
There
are
still
a
lot
of
homes
that
have
great
structures
that
are
still
able
to
be
worked
with
and
I
think
Housing
Authority
with
your
programs
I
mean
it.
Wouldn't
it
be
lucrative
for
you
guys,
also
because
homeownership
would
be
at
the
end
of
all
of
that
also,
but.
R
Q
R
Up
that
house
that
any
of
anybody
anybody
in
town
can
go
in
and
fix
up
a
house
cheaper
than
I
can
because
of
all
the
federal
government
rigged
patience
that
we
have
to
work
through.
When
you
build
a
building,
you
can
take
those
costs
and
spread
it
out
over
50
75
100
units.
When
you're
working
on
one
house,
those
costs
will
do
they
drive
that
they
continue
to
drive
the
price
higher.
Now
some
yeah.
N
Your
honor
are
you
saying
I
know
we
are
looking
at
some
programs
in
the
future,
but
one
thing
that
find
out
is
that
there
are
lots
of
contractors
in
the
city
who
who
rehabbing
houses
and
because
our
homeownership
program
we're
able
to
purchase
the
houses,
because
you
know,
and
the
federal
government
everything
I
do
is
very
expensive
because
of
the
law.
Lawyers
are
not
that
kind
of
stuff,
but
the
bottom
line
is
13
houses
that
were
purchased
by
residents.
To
here
you
know
using
our
program.
N
F
For
top
of
what
you
just
said,
I'm
I
understand
that
dealing
with
the
federal
government
on
that
aspect
of
development
and
I
guess
new
development.
What
I've
seen
from
what
I'm
currently
in
the
model
of
what
we're
doing
now,
is
we're
actually
putting
local
contractors
to
work
and
we're
sort
of
like
stimulating
the
community,
empowerment
shallick.
So,
let's
say,
there's
a
lot
of
positive,
that's
growing
out
of
it
and
it's
just
on
a
small
scale,
because
we
don't
have
the
budget,
but
I
do
believe
my
organization.
They
have
like
that.
They
found
that
happy
medium.
F
R
I
want
to
just
just
a
couple
other
things
that
I
heard
around
the
room
here
and
I
know
we
taught
you
you
that's
about
the
fairness
of
bringing
back
one
bedroom
to
the
community
or
whatever
one
of
the
biggest
problems
that
we
that
I
face
as
a
developer
is
the
stigma
in
the
community
about
the
type
of
housing
that
we
build
on
the
hill
right
now,
I'm
fighting
that
fight.
They
don't
want
one
better.
They
don't
want
apartment
buildings,
they
want
town
house,
they
want
single-family
homes.
R
I
can
tell
you
the
cost,
for
those
is
going
to
go
through
the
roof
and
here's
something
that
I,
don't
I.
Think
a
lot
of
people
don't
realize
homeownership
stabilizes
a
community.
We
can
all
agree
on
that
right.
But
how
do
you
get
to
stabilization
now?
There
are
some
communities
in
Pittsburgh
who
are
thriving
and
whatever
a
lot
of
them
are
not
homeownership
doesn't
turn
a
community
around
rental.
Does
quality
rental
units
is
what
turns
a
community
around
think
about
it?
This
way,
if
you
build
25
houses,
how
long
is
it
gonna?
R
Take
you
to
sell
all
25
of
those
houses.
Folks
are
gonna
start
moving
in
one
by
one
and
if
the
community
is
a
trouble
community,
they're
gonna
look
and
say:
oh
I
made
a
mistake.
Some
of
those
people
are
gonna
leave
before
you
even
get
the
community
filled
when
you're
in
a
trouble
community.
When
you
build
rental,
housing,
quality,
rental
housing,
you
you
take
out
a
whole
block,
people
come
in
and
they
look
out
for
each
other,
and
then
you
start
building
out
from
it.
That's
what
happened
in
East
Liberty!
R
That's
what's
happening
on
the
hill.
So
while
everybody
is
talking
homeownership,
which
is
a
great
thing,
a
wonderful
thing,
it's
actually
rental
housing
that
turns
a
community
around
quality
rental,
housing.
I'll
say
this:
the
product
that
we're
building
right
now
and
I
just
moved
to
Pittsburgh,
so
I've
been
looking
in
every
neighborhood
in
this
city
to
try
to
find
suitable
housing.
The
quote
the
units
that
we
are
building
right
now
I
will
put
up
against
any
developer
in
the
city
in
terms
of
quality,
any
one
of
them
well,.
F
I
was
just
more
concerned
along
the
development
of,
as
you
said,
with
the
mix
it
becomes
mixed
housing.
As
the
gentleman
just
said
over
here,
Eric,
you
don't
service
the
full
demographic
of
people
that
might
be
displaced
and
they're
going
to
be
moved
and
vouchers
to
other
neighborhoods
like
I
live
in
Knoxville,
which
Knoxville.
If
anybody
knows
that
community
we're
all
residential
housing,
there's
no
business
district,
but
we
have
over
two
hundred
and
something
homes
that
are
vacant.
So,
when
you're,
looking
at
a
demographic
like
that
st.
F
Clair
village
closed,
which
all
of
those
people
were
displaced
out
of
there
and
a
lot
of
them
didn't
have
nowhere
to
go,
they
moved
into
houses
around
the
neighborhood
and
got
Reynolds,
but
we're
just
I
was
just
hoping
that
there
was
some
type
of
demographic
you
guys
would
think
of
for
communities
like
mine,
because
in
Pittsburgh
we
have
about
six
or
seven
of
them
that
are
like
Knoxville,
where
it's
residential,
there's,
no
actual
business
district
right
there
and
there's
just
housing,
stock
and
homes
just
sort
of
like
sitting
there.
Just.
R
One
quick
note
on
relocation
and
displacement:
first
of
all,
I
mean
relocate.
Displacement
is
kind
of
a
fact
of
development,
but
I
can
tell
you
that
public
housing
residents
have
more
protections
than
any
body
else.
I
live
in
a
pretty
decent
building
right,
downtown
and
all
it
would
take,
is
for
some
developer
to
come
in
and
go
home.
I
can
double
the
rents
on
those
units,
I
get
a
60-day
notice
and
that's
it.
I
got
to
find
someplace
else
to
live.
Public
housing
residents
do
not
face
that
threat.
R
When
we
tear
down
a
public
housing
community,
we
have
to
relocate
all
those
people
and
that's
one
of
the
big
costs.
When
you
look
at
all
the
you
know,
newspaper
always
wants
to
run
these
stories
about
how
expensive,
affordable
housing
is.
What
number
is
that's
one
of
the
reasons
we
have
to
come?
We
have
to
consider
the
cost
of
relocating
every
single
family
in
that
development
to
a
new
location.
N
K
It
was
for
the
gentleman
before
I
just
wanted
to
know
what
your
vision
was
for
development
going
into
the
future
in
the
next
10
15
years.
I'm
coming
from
the
energy
sector,
so
I
want
to
know
how
you're
going
to
do.
Maybe
sustainable
housing
bring
in
some
of
the
newer
technologies
so
on
and
so
forth.
Liebelei.
N
I
always
say
that
we
believe
in
technology
and
some
of
the
new
stuff
we
have.
We
have
some
dynamic
stuff,
that's
going
in
he's
livery.
As
far
as
green
I
mean
he
just
got
yourself
a
new
much
about
there
this
time,
but
we
are
embracing
technology
and
also
sustainable
housing
using
green
type
of
technology.
But
what
I
want
to
say
before
we
go
and
take
some
other
questions.
The
success
of
Pittsburgh's
far
as
affordable
housing
is
say
what
I
call
team
Pittsburgh
under
the
leadership
of
our
mayor.
N
We
have
you
Ras
partners,
we
have
the
foundations,
we
have
the
community
groups,
we
have
lots
of
people.
This
just
does
not
happen
with
the
Housing
Authority.
We
have
partners
and
the
partners
are
you
in
the
community?
So,
as
you
go
out
into
your
community
and
you
talk
about
affordable
housing,
you
know
you
got
a
friend
your
side
that
they're
looking
to
have
a
former
housing
here
in
the
city.
Is
there
any
any
other
questions
we're
going
to
show
Warren
one
thirty-second
click.
M
O
Continues
to
grow
so
does
our
need
for
safe,
accessible,
affordable
housing,
Pittsburgh's
disabled
individuals
and
our
low-income
working
families
also
deserve
the
right
to
be
included
in
our
city's
Renaissance
top
notch.
New,
affordable
housing
is
currently
being
developed
in
communities
like
skyline,
terrace
and
Larmour
East
Liberty
senior
citizens
and
disabled
individuals
have
access
to
affordable
communities
like
Morris
Gardens
and
the
legacy
H
ACP
is
committed
to
building
better
communities
in
Pittsburgh
and
helping
to
meet
the
growing
need
for
affordable
housing.
We
are
Pittsburgh's
premier
provider
and
developer
of
quality.