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A
And
welcome
to
Pittsburgh
City
Council's
standing
committees,
meeting
for
Wednesday
June
24th
2020.
My
name
is
Kim
Clark,
Baskin
and
I'm
the
assistant
city
clerk
with
us.
Today
we
have
our
sign
land
which
interpreter
Nick
Miller.
The
following
is
a
list
of
legislation
up
for
preliminary
approval
by
Pittsburgh,
City,
Council,
Finance
and
all
committee
we're
sort
of
ours
to
chair.
We
have
a
deferred
paper.
We
have
bill
number
407
resolution
authorizing
and
directing
a
city
controller
to
transfer
a
total
of
$25,000.
As
indicated
from
into
the
following
accounts
within
a
2020
operating
budget.
A
This
bill
is
sponsored
by
councilmember
Kraus
and
councilmember
Cory
O'connor.
We
have
new
papers
bill
number
four
21
resolution
authorizing
the
city
to
enter
into
an
agreement
with
Point
Park
University
to
allow
students
under
teacher
supervision
to
provide
creative
and
strategic
services
on
a
volunteer
basis
to
the
city
of
Pittsburgh
on
an
ongoing
project.
A
Resolution
authorizing
the
issuance
of
a
warrant
in
favor
of
littler
Mendelson
PC
in
an
amount
not
to
exceed
ten
thousand
one
hundred
twelve
dollars
and
five
cents
for
professional
legal
services.
Regarding
an
employee
matter,
public
safety
services
committee,
Mr
O'connor,
is
the
chair.
We
have
a
deferred
paper.
A
We
have
bill
number
403
resolution
authorizing
the
mayor
and
the
executive
director
of
the
citizens,
Police
Review
Board,
to
enter
into
an
agreement
or
agreements
with
the
densest
group
to
provide
citizen
Police,
Review
Board,
with
a
third-party
assessment
of
an
effective
plan
to
address
police
citizen
engagement
and
use
of
force,
as
it
is
currently
deployed
in
providing
for
payment
cost
not
to
exceed
$25,000.
This
bill
is
sponsored
by
council
member,
bruce,
kraus
and
councilmember
cory.
O'connor.
A
Fifty
three
thousand
nine
hundred
twenty-five
dollars
bill
number
424
resolution
authorizing
the
mayor
and
the
director
of
the
Department
of
Public
Safety
to
enter
on
behalf
of
the
city
of
Pittsburgh,
into
a
professional
services
agreement
with
Smith
detection
for
upgrades
to
to
Sabre
5000
detection
devices
in
an
amount
not
to
exceed
ten
thousand
two
hundred
and
eighty
dollars
Public
Works
Committee.
Mr.
Coghill
is
the
chair.
We
have
new
papers.
A
Intergovernmental
affairs
committee
miss
grossest
a
chair.
We
have
new
papers,
we
have
bill
number
418
resolution,
adopting
plan
revision
to
the
city
of
Pittsburgh's
official
sewage
facilities,
plan
for
the
CMU
5th
and
Clyde
residence
hall
in
campus,
hub
4735,
Fifth
Avenue
and
bill
number
419
resolution
adopting
plan
revision
to
the
city
of
Pittsburgh
official
sewage
facilities
plan
for
the
CMU
Ford's
in
Beeler
Residence
Hall
at
50,
87,
Forbes
Avenue.
That
concludes
the
reading
of
the
legislation
up
for
preliminary
approval.
Thank
you
and
have
a
wonderful
day.
B
B
B
C
B
E
E
Just
wanted
to
say
Sarah,
you
know,
I
overwhelmingly
support
your
nomination,
you
know
as
good
as
Maura
Kennedy
was
is
getting
us,
you
know
permitting
online
and
other
things
she
brought
to
the
table.
I
didn't
find
she
was
really
responsive.
You
get
right
to
me
and
that's
the
most
important
thing.
I
would
say:
I,
don't
believe.
Pli
still
has
its
issues,
but
you
know
I,
think
you're
the
right
person
and
move
move
forward
so
welcome.
Thank.
D
D
F
But
the
reason
I
bring
it
up
is
I
got
a
call
yesterday
from
a
constituent
that
I
know
very
well
she's,
94
years
old
and
lives
in
Allentown
and
she's
in
the
house
that
she
was
born
it
and
next
door
to
her.
There
is
a
house
that
caught
fire
about
two
years
ago,
just
shy
of
two
years,
and
we
have
put
in
numerous
requests
to
have
the
house
demoed.
F
F
That
has
been
there
almost
two
years
now
and
we
have
to
do
better,
and
so
I
would
like
to
ask
you
and
not
just
to
put
you
on
the
spot
here
by
any
means,
but
to
help
us
do
better
when
it
comes
to
these
kinds
of
what
I
would
call
an
emergency
demolition,
but
it
might
not
fall
into
that
category,
but
it
clearly
needs
to
be
handled.
So
I
just
would
be
curious
about
your
thoughts
about
these
kinds
of
demolitions
and
how
we
can
do
better
with
them.
Yeah.
D
Absolutely
thanks
for
the
question.
This
is
a
really
hot
topic
for
a
lot
of
districts.
I
know,
council
members
have
reached
out
to
me
about
dilapidated
or
nuisance
properties,
and
you
know
asking
if
they're
eligible
for
demolition,
we
have
two
pots
of
funds
for
demolition
or
Pago
dollars,
and
our
CDBG
dollars,
as
you
alluded
to
the
CDBG
demolition
process,
requires
a
really
long
runway
before
we're
able
to
actually
demolish
a
structure
due
to
you
know
proper
asbestos
surveys,
historic
review
surveys,
etc.
D
So
the
ability
to
you
know
act
quickly
on
that
pot
of
money
is
very
limited.
Our
Pago
dollars
are
incredibly
limited,
and
at
this
point
we
essentially
can
only
use
Pago
dollars
when
we're
called
out
for
an
emergency
9-1-1.
So
P
Li
has
architects
and
engineers
that
are
on
staff
that
get
called
out
per
our
on-call
policy
when
there's
a
911
emergency
and
at
that
time
we're
making
an
assessment
of
eminent
danger.
D
So
there's
certainly
buildings
that
are
dangerous
and
we
continue
to
monitor
those,
but
that
pot
of
money
is
then
used
for
those
that
are.
There
comes
down
they're
coming
down
on
the
public
right
away
and
we
need
to
demolish
them
and
make
them
safe
immediately.
So
we
do
what
we
call
a
curbside
bid
in
those
those
instances.
If
we
had
additional
Pago
dollars,
that's
something
that
we
could
use
for
some
of
these
other
structure,
but
something
that
we're
looking
at.
D
That
I
would,
like
you
know,
councils
assistance
in,
and
certainly
your
feedback
is
a
more
democratic
process
or
our
demolition
dollars,
because
you
know
your
communities,
you
know
that
hot-button
properties-
and
it's
just
it's
very
limited
right
now,
but
we
do
want
to
take
and
have
a
more
thoughtful
process
about
those
types
of
structures
that
the
community
cares
about
to
be
demolished.
Now.
Certainly
our
job
number
one
for
Peola,
it's
public
safety.
D
So
it's
our
job
to
ensure
that
these
eminently
dangerous
structures
are
taken
down
first
and
foremost,
and
that
we
are
afforded
Public
Safety
to
our
community.
I
also
know
that
there's
a
need
for
these
other
structures
that
maybe
please
and
if
demolishing,
is
the
right
option.
You
know
there
are
other
options
for
condemned
properties,
but
if
it's
the
right
option
for
that
community,
that's
something
we
want
to
work
with
you
on
so.
F
So
the
the
discussion
sort
of
comes
back
to
criteria
and
definition
and
how
to
define
eminent
danger,
I'd
love
to
know
how
the
department-
and
you
don't
have
to
go
into
all
that
here
and
now,
but
it
would
be
wonderful.
You
could
send
out
a
clearer
glossary
of
definitions
as
to
what
drives
em
in
a
danger.
You
know.
Well,
the
previous
director
was
in
charge
of
the
department.
F
There
were
any
number
of
buildings
throughout
the
council
district
that
were
blue,
signed
and
labeled
as
condemned
for
any
number
of
reasons,
and
none
of
those
have
come
down.
But
I
mean
I.
Understand
that
you
know
if
the.
If
the
structure
at
least
appears
to
be
intact-
and
it
does
have
some
perhaps
structural
issues
and
those
kinds
of
things
that
that
would
not
be
prioritized.
But
when
a
when
the
building
is
clearly
burned
and
there's
you
know
nothing
there,
but
half
the
first
floor
and
some
rubble.
F
It
just
seems
to
me
that
that
it's
just
part
of
the
process
would
need
to
be
cleared
away
and
that
lot
secured
now
is
there
a
possibility
that
we
could
do
those
as
clean
and
leans?
Like
we
do
with
certain
properties
that
we
actually
build,
the
owner
of
that
property
for
are
coming
in
and
demoing
it
and
leveling
the
lot
yeah.
D
G
D
Sorry
good
regards
to
your
question
about
you
know:
eminent
danger
versus
condemned,
condemned,
really
means
unfit
for
human
occupancy,
so
that
bar
can
be
as
low
as
not
having
a
water
service.
You
know
when
we're
doing
an
imminent
danger
assessment.
I
think
we
do
want
to
be
more
clear
about
what
exactly
we're
looking
for
and
that's
a
policy
we're
certainly
working
on,
and
you
should
always
be
working
to
improve
our
policies.
What
we're
doing
is
we're
looking
at
all
angles
of
the
structure
and
determining
you
know
what
is
actually
happening
with
this
this
right.
D
F
F
So
I
appreciate
I
have
pictures
I'm
going
to
send
out
with
you
you
and
when
she
called
yesterday.
She
said
she
was
in
the
process
of
writing
a
letter,
and
so
when
I
received
her
letter,
I'm
gonna
I
will
send
it
over
to
you.
But
the
pictures
and
continue
to
advocate
to
get
this
property
clear,
Thanks
I
appreciate
it
very
much.
Thank.
H
Thank
You
mr.
chair
Sarah,
I
wanna
I,
want
to
offer
my
wholehearted
support
for
your
for
the
nomination
to
you
for
you
to
be
director.
I
agree
with
what
councilman
Coghill
said:
you're
incredibly
responsive.
You
always
help
me
to
understand
the
process
which
can
be
very
complex
in
some
cases
and
I.
Think
that
is
what
I
want
to
focus.
H
So
it's
not
just
here's
what
PLI
is
gonna.
Do
we're
going
to
tell
you
the
very
next
step,
but
we're
not
going
to
tell
you
the
12
steps
after
that
that
might
have
to
do
rezoning
or
planning
or
this
or
that
because
I
think
that's
where
the
frustration
comes
out.
It's
a
very
next
step,
but
they
don't
have
a
picture
or
roadmap
of
where
they
need
to
go
from
there.
H
That's
the
feedback
that
I've
been
hearing
and
I
would
love
to
have
a
conversation
with
you
whenever
you're
ready
to
brainstorm
some
ideas
for
that
I
know
that
you
are,
you
know,
obviously
going
to
be
staffing
up
a
little
bit
more
City
Council,
snatched
away
one
of
your
best
employees
thanks
to
Councilman
Wilson,
but-
and
that
will
assist
that
process
too,
but
I
think
there
are
some
opportunities
for
even
conversations
and
small
settings
with
system-
types
of
people
who
do
business
with
the
city
to
to
get
some
sort
of
small
group
feedback
or
workshop
type
of
feedback.
H
D
I
Thank
You
mr.
chair,
and
thank
you
for
cheering
director
I'm,
looking
forward
to
working
with
you
as
well.
I
think
everybody
has
a
sigh
of
relief.
Your
appointment,
but
I
do
want
to
address
and
I,
don't
know
if
it's
already
been
addressed.
I
apologize,
so
just
tell
me
if
it
has-
and
we
won't
have
to
go
over
it
again,
but
we
did
have
speakers
talking
about
some
of
the
concerns
they
have
with
permits.
I
I
definitely
have
a
lot
of
concerns
with
the
demo
and
I
mean
when
you
talk
about
identifying
properties
that
are
in
danger.
I
mean
a
good
portion
of
shared
and
when
I
was
first
elected
about
400
properties
were
vacant
and
inherited
a
real
mess
in
terms
of
the
property
there,
and
a
lot
of
that
was
because
of
the
housing
or
mortgage
foreclosure
crisis
and
then
a
lot
of
other
things
happen.
I
I
If
you
get
a
few
demoed,
you
know
in
a
year
across
the
key
neighborhoods
which
I
represent,
it
doesn't
make
a
dent
in
anything
and
so
I
wonder
if
you're
talking
about
doing
any
kind
of
green
demos,
I
want
to
wondering
if
you're
talking
about
working
with
the
URA
Mike
I
thought
has
always
been
when
I
see
the
city
and
we
talk
about
people
that
are
good
in
terms
of
housing
Kim
in
my
offices.
What
absolutely
one
of
the
best
she
understands
this
whole
thing
and
was
actually
offered
a
job
on
the
state
level.
G
I
Making
sure
that
you
there's
more
of
a
collaborative
effort,
I
do
want
to
say
that
two
councilmen
crosses
questions
and
comments
about
the
clean
sweeps
and
doing
the
clean
and
leans
I
did
work
with
chief
of
staff
Gilman,
and
we
did
put
in
a
clean
sweep
program,
which
is
my
understanding,
they're,
getting
ready
to
move
into
one
of
the
divisions.
So
that
should
be
starting
soon.
I
So
we
will
be
able
to
do
clean,
sweep
clean
and
liens
very
soon,
so
that
I
think
will
help
and
it
always
did
help
a
little
bit,
but
it
still
doesn't
remove
the
problem.
There's
still
a
vacant
house
that
needs
cut
frequently
it's
still
using
City
resources.
You
know
repeatedly,
and
it's
it's
just
a
bit
to
me.
It's
a
whole
department
that
just
needs
revamped
and
rethought
and
I
don't
mean
in
terms
of
making
things
available
online.
That's
great.
I
But
if
you,
if
people
are
residents,
are
living
next
to
a
property
that
that
that
is
overgrown,
that
it's
falling
down,
that
has
animals
and
rodents
and
high
grass
and
I
mean
none
of
us
would
want
to
live
next
to
it
and
I.
Don't
think
it's
fair
for
our
residents
to
live
next
door,
so
I
want
to
know
what
your
thoughts
are
in
terms
of
changing
some
of
those
things
more
collaborative
efforts,
and
what
what
are
you
going
to
do
differently
to
address
the
concerns
that
we
have
Department.
D
Sure,
thanks
for
the
question,
but
there's
a
lot
to
be
done:
yeah,
absolutely
and
you're,
hitting
on
a
really
key
pain
point.
So
on
May
11th,
just
last
month
we
finally
integrated
our
code
enforcement
operations
team
into
our
one-stop
PGH
system.
So
this
is
the
first
time
that
we're
able
to
look
at
a
parcel
and
see
all
the
permits,
licenses
and
code
enforcement
actions,
and
now
the
actions
of
our
sister
departments,
DCP
and
Joe
me
on
one
parcel.
D
So
that's
helpful
on
a
data
front
and
now
it's
what
we
do
with
that
data,
so
I
think
you're,
absolutely
right.
That
PLI
plays
a
critical
role
in
providing
key
data
about
code
enforcement
and
development
happening
in
the
city
and
as
council
members
do
you
know
your
communities,
but
having
these
data
sets
are
important
to
this
side.
Okay,
given
these
circumstances,
these
properties
are
right
for
the
land
breath
land
bank
or
the
community
things
that
these
are
right
for
demolition.
D
You
know
our
role
is
certainly
a
data
role,
but
also
assisting
in
those
subsets
of
properties
that
are
right
for
those
different
programs
that
exist
out
there
I
hope
to
work
closely
with
Council,
as
well
as
the
new
Community
Health
and
Safety
Office,
on
targeting
demolition
dollars
and
targeting
you
know
that
type
of
approach
to
maybe
be
the
bridge
between
those
entities
and
I
think
you
know.
As
far
as
some
of
your
other
comments,
they
seemed
to
echo
councilwoman
Strassburger
comments
as
well
about
now
really
pivoting
towards
customer
service.
D
You
know
I'm
mentally
proud
of
our
technical
expertise
in
our
department,
our
focus
on
proper
certifications,
our
training
or
continuing
education.
Our
launch
of
this
portal,
but
now
that
we
have
this
really
solid
foundation,
it's
time
to
pivot
and
start
working
on
our
soft
skills,
our
yep
skills
and
then
building
those
stronger
partner
shifts
between
our
department
and
those
similar
agencies
that
can
help
deal
with
the
types
of
duties
that
you're
talking
about
in
your
community.
So
we're
certainly
a
cornerstone
in
that
process.
Now.
I
I
say
actually
thinking
I
mean:
we've
had
government
relations,
people,
people
to
work
with
us
that
that
liaison-
and
that
was
that
was
nice,
but
I
actually
like
having
the
director
talk
with
council
members,
I,
don't
like
having
a
liaison
I
feel
like
it's
just
another
layer
of
bureaucracy
that
prevents
us
from
getting
to
things
done
for
a
constituency.
But
I
would
like
to
see
somebody
in
a
position.
That's
coordinating
all
the
housing
efforts
across
the
city,
including
the
demo
and
in
development.
G
I
Of
the
things
that
opportunities
available
and
some
of
the
wishes
of
the
public
in
the
community
and
I
do
think
that
that
would
be
something
that
that
should
be
housed
in
the
mayor's
office.
To
be
honest
with
you,
because
I
think
that
there's
there's
a
lot
of
people
working
on
these
issues
but
I
just
feel
like
there's
just
such
a
disconnect
and
every
time
I
turn
around
I
want
to
talk
to
somebody
about
something:
I'm
thinking,
okay,
but
that's
in
that
department.
I
But
I
do
like
to
also
ICS
do
a
more
green
demo,
but
I
do
want
to
talk
to
you
about
I
did
we
did
hear
from
I
heard
from
some
architects
and
people
in
the
business
developers
and
others
who
said
that
they
really
had
a
lot
of
respect
for
you
and
think
that
you're
going
to
do
a
great
job,
but
they
were
a
little
bit.
I,
don't
want
say,
disappointed,
but
I
think
maybe
surprised
that
you
didn't
have
a
background
in
the
industry.
I
Is
that
they've
had
a
couple
years,
not
a
lot
of
problems
with
the
permits
and
they
just
move
in
sent
me
another
message
about
permits
and
so
I
I
think
it's
just
it's
a
long
wait
that
people
have
for
permits
waiting
for
inspections,
waiting
for
all
those
things
and
constantly
being
charged
additional
fees,
so
I
think
they're
feeling
a
little
bit
disgruntled
a
little
bit
and
I
think
that
they
wonder
the
somebody
sympathizer
or
at
least
understand
you
know
what
their
challenges
are.
I
D
Absolutely
I
appreciate
the
question
again:
I
think
we
have
focused
on
the
last
few
years,
I'm
building
up
requirements,
and
now
this
pivot
towards
customer
service
is
going
to
be
of
value
to
them.
My
background
is
in
public
administration,
and
part
of
my
work
is
to
bridge
the
gap
between
our
technical
requirements
and
expertise
and
service
element
so
that
we
have
a
streamlined
process.
I
think
a
lot
of
the
bumps
that
folks
are
experiencing
in
our
process
have
to
do
with
our
connections
to
similar
agency
right.
So
we're
not
going
to
issue
a
permit.
D
If
you
know
the
Zoning
Department
hasn't
done
their
review
and
said
hey,
this
is
okay
to
go
as
well.
So
there's
a
lot
of
connections
there
and
I.
Think
us
being
more
clear
about
those
connections
will
be
helpful.
I've
heard
a
lot
of
feedback
from
the
industry,
the
building
Association,
especially
and
they've,
and
our
trade
license
holders
about
the
changes
that
we've
made.
I
think
that
there
is
a
lot
of
support
for
English
playing
field.
But,
to
your
point,
there's
some
frustration
with
the
process
has
changed.
How
do
I
navigate
this?
D
So
that's
what
we
want
to
help
people
out
with
and
I
think
that's
a
strength
of
my
expertise.
In
my
background
in
public
administration
and
I
think
also
having
a
background
in
civil
rights
is
helpful.
Here
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
our
process
is
fair
internally.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
treating
applications
the
same
as
they
come
in
and
that
there's
transparency
in
equal
treatment
to
our
applications,
and
you
know,
on
a
on
an
equity
front.
You
know
our
critical
role
of
data
again
is
incredibly
important
here.
D
I
think
that
if
we
look
at
our
PLI
data,
you'll
see
that
you
know
we
are
meeting
our
service
level
agreements
as
far
as
getting
our
reviews
in
in
a
timely
manner
in
taking
applications.
But
it's
that
customer
service
piece
that
we
need
to
bolster
and
work
on
so
that
there's
a
comfort
level
with
the
process.
D
Next
steps
and
people
have
an
understanding
of
what
to
expect
when
going
through
our
process,
especially
since
there's
been
a
lot
of
changes
in
the
last
year
as
we've
stood
up
the
one-stop
PGH
system
and
we
have
some
more
changes
to
go.
We
have
departments
that
are
coming
on
board.
Ultimately,
it's
for
streamlining
the
process
and
making
it
easier
but
they're
sort
of
on
the
on
the
road
with
us.
You
know
hitting
some
bumps
as
we
get
through.
I
I
We
had
one
not
not
too
far
by
us
and
my
husband
went
and
just
cut
it
down,
but
there
are
a
lot
of
people
that
just
can't
do
that
and
since
then
the
property
has
been
cleaned
up
and
up,
and
things
have
happened,
positive,
but
that's
not
the
case
in
most
of
our
neighborhoods.
It's
not
the
case,
then,
and
there's
not
always
that
person
who
can
go
do
that
you
know
cut
a
property
down,
which
is
why
one
of
the
reasons
I
approached
chief-of-staff
Killman
about
the
clean
sweep
program.
I
J
Director
Kenter
I
see
it
today,
thanks
for
coming
and
just
want
to
say
that
I
really
appreciated
our
relationship
so
far,
you're
very
responsive
and
I
think
that's
gonna
go
a
long
way
for
all
of
us,
so
I
just
had
a
few
questions.
One
is
based
around
compliance,
so
I
know
you're,
and
we
have
had
a
conversation
about
this
and
you're
aware
of
this
property
in
my
district,
and
you
know,
I
think
it
fits
into
the
compliance
question
that
I
had,
because
you
know
they
they're
a
business.
J
My
district
that's
been
paying
thousands
of
dollars
for
for
fire
wash
and
there's
been
and
put
onto
this
by
Public
Safety
and
you
know
through.
Basically
there
was
some
discovery
for
the
owner
that
they
weren't
in
compliance
and
they
would
have
they
didn't,
have
you
know
the
proper
occupancy
and
basically
my
question
is
like:
what's
your
strategy
for
making
sure
a
business
which
this
business
has
to
pay
around
1300
hours
a
week
to
try
and
come
not
even
a
kind
of
compliance
just
because
they
were
caught
without
a
sprinkler
system.
J
D
Thanks
for
the
question,
I
think
that's
a
really
tough
one.
If
I
recall
correctly,
there
were
some
changes
that
were
being
made
to
the
property
that
triggered
the
need
for
a
permit
and
that
need
for
the
permit
meant
that
there
was
going
to
be
review
of
the
occupancy
and
the
use
of
that
building,
which
then
triggered
the
fire
safety
requirements.
I
believe
there
are,
you
know,
running
some
pretty
heavy
machinery
in
there
as
well,
which
you
know
and
trigger
these
requirements.
So
unfortunately,
there's
no
way
around
those
requirements
when
a
fire
suppression
system
is
needed.
D
As
you
know,
our
department
again,
our
key
is
Public
Safety,
it's
needed
to
ensure
that
you
know,
there's
proper
fire
suppression
and
there's
proper
fire
alarms,
which
proper
means
of
egress,
so
that
you
know
there's
safety
for
that
building.
So
we
I
understand
the
frustration,
especially
in
the
cost,
that's
associated
with
up
creating
a
building
to
become
code
compliant,
but
it's
enhancing
the
safety
of
the
workers
that
are
working
there.
D
You
know
people
who
are
customers
to
that
business,
so
it's
an
important
important
investment
into
the
building
to
ensure
that
they
meet
that
compliance
on
our
our
sort
of
piece
here
I
think
goes
back
to
what
Councilwoman
Gayle
Smith
had
mentioned,
which
is
and
Councilman
Strasser
Strassburger
about
better
customer
service,
so
that
there's
an
expectation
of
that
need
I,
don't
think
that
someone
who's
started.
You
know
a
building
permit,
maybe
for
something
that
seemed
minor
at
the
time
would
have
known
that
it
would
have
triggered
all
these
other
additional
requirements,
and
that's
where
it
was.
D
You
know,
sort
of
a
moment
where
I
think
the
owner
thought.
Oh
geez
I
wasn't
sure
that
that
that's
what
that
would
trigger
so
upfront
I
think
having
more
information
is
important
for
us
on
a
customer
service
basis
and
a
very
often
we
say
you
know
what
does
your
architect
or
engineer
say
about
this,
but
very
often
they're,
starting
with
a
minor
permit,
where
maybe
they're
just
working
directly
with
a
contractor?
So
that's
it's
a
I.
Think
a
customer
service
being
pointed
that
we
can
work
on.
J
Yeah
I
definitely
pulled
out
one
that
definitely
has
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
issues
to
work
through
I
would
just
kind
of
you
know
also
just
kind
of
brought
it
in
just
saying
how
there's
a
lot
of
businesses
that
or
you
know,
structures
that
may
not
have
the
right
occupancy
and
you
know
just
the
the
general
like
what
would
be
you
know
there
is
some
sort
of
roadmap
that
we
could
provide
them,
or
is
there
some
sort
of
toolkit
or
work
with
the
Chamber
of
Commerce
I'm?
Just
trying
to
understand
like?
J
D
D
J
So
I
wasn't
I,
wasn't
here
whenever
the
last
director
was
here,
but
you
know
you
had
the
opportunity
to
work
with
the
last
director
and
you
know,
could
you
tell
us
so
there
are
other
things
that
you
would
do
differently
and
and
are
there?
Are
there
legacy
projects
that
you
would
you
would
keep
or
initiatives
that
were
started,
that
you
would
continue
yeah.
D
Absolutely
thanks
for
the
question,
so
our
former
director
or
a
Kennedy
was
really
instrumental
in
putting
together
the
one-stop
pth
system,
and
certainly
that
is
assistant,
to
keep
to
support
and
to
grow
over
the
upcoming
years.
That
system
has
allowed
us
to
operate
during
the
pandemic,
so
the
ability
to
have
that
online
permitting
licensing
and
now
code
enforcement
in
an
internal
system
allowed
us
to
continue
operation
remotely
and
through
work
of
home
work
from
home
and
I'm
immensely
proud
of
our
staff
for
being
so
nimble.
D
During
that
time
you
know
there
was
a
lot
of
changes
coming
very
soon
and
we
were
up
and
running
within
a
week
because
we
had
that
capability
to
have
that
online
system.
So
her
work
absolutely
instrumental
in
supporting
that,
and
you
know
she
was
also
someone
who
I
sure
did
a
lot
of
these
technical,
hard
skills
that
we
need
to
continue.
D
Our
continuing
education
requirements
are
very
strong
and
very
important,
so
we
ensure
that
we
are
the
experts
regarding
building
safety
and
building
construction
in
the
city
of
Pittsburgh,
and
that's
also
something
for
us
to
be
very,
very
proud
of
again.
We've
taken
a
lot
of
time
to
build
that
very
strong
foundation,
and
now
that
we
have
that
building
upon
that
with
our
soft
skills
and
customer
service-
and
you
know,
our
connections
with
our
counterpart
agencies
are
sort
of
the
next
steps
there.
So
now
there
was
a
lot
of
really
wonderful
work
done
during
that
time.
D
J
I
wanted
to
also
visit
the
demolition
conversation.
I
know
this.
This
a
lot
of
us
are
concerned
about
that
and
that
you
know
basically
a
lot
of
it
does
come
down
to
funding
and
and
and
having
that
that
resource
there.
So
we
can
do
what's
necessary,
so
I
definitely
get
that
and
just
but
just
to
speak
to
the
point
about
the
technical
reasons
for
demo
and
and
which
ones
are
at
the
top
of
list
the
bottle
list.
J
Whatever
the
scale
was
made
up
of
and
they're
able
to
have
some
value
next
to
the
streets
that
they
would
like
to
see
that
repaved
it
I
would
there
would
be
interested
to
see
something
like
that.
You
know
whenever
demo
remember
the
season
for
demo
comes
along
and
we're
presented
with
some
sort
of
value.
Alongside
of
you
know,
maybe
here's
an
area
where
you
know
there's
a
landslide
front
area.
We
have
you
know
these
are
hot.
You
know
high
value
structures,
or
is
that
something
like
that
interest?
You
yeah.
D
Absolutely
I
think
you
make
a
good
point.
I
think
we
have
in
Colonel
metrics,
but
I'm,
not
sure,
we've
been
great
about
sharing
those
metrics
to
say:
hey,
this
structure
is
XYZ
and
it's
next
to
a
public
right
away.
It's
next
to
school,
or
you
know,
so
you
know
that's
helping
us
to
make
our
determination.
So
it's
certainly
something
we
can
work
with
Council
on
it.
J
C
B
K
Our
way
through
it
I
often
use
a
metaphor
for
people
that
it's
almost
like,
there's
a
giant
tangled
ball
of
yarn,
and
we
are
just
pulling
out
one
thread
at
a
time
until
we
finally
kind
of
get
at
the
part
where
we
can
have
a
straight
piece
of
string
and
it
takes
time
it's
difficult
work
and
you
have
to
be
like
willing
and
able
to
like,
mentally
and
emotionally
engage
in
it.
So
thank
you
for
that.
K
I
I
also
want
to
remind
some
members
have
heard
me
say
this
multiple
times,
but
someone
some
members
are
new
and
there
was
certainly
members
of
the
public
I
always
bring
up
the
point
with
PLI
that
we
have
had
such
an
explosive
growth
of
activity.
So
I
asked
this
question
of
your
predecessor
in
2014.
In
her
interview,
I
said
it
was
2014.
I
said
now:
let's
look
back
five
years
and
let's
just
talk
about
how
what
is
the
increase
in
each
of
these
types
of
applications?
You
know
big
construction
projects,
there's
such
an
increase.
K
Even
you
know
housing,
rehabs
and
small
business
licenses,
and
all
of
these
kinds
of
can
you
just
frame
for
us
this
kind
of
increased
activity
and
her
answer
was
there's
absolutely
not.
There's
no
way
to
answer
that
question,
because
PLI
was
just
kind
of
a
hoarder
quarters
episode
of
paper
bucked
in
there,
which
I
did.
K
After
that
interview,
there
was
just
kind
of
paper
piled
up
to
the
ceiling,
and
so
the
online
criminals,
a
huge
leap
forward
for
people
trying
to
get
through
the
process
and
for
processing
a
lot
more
responsibly,
but
also
as
you've
mentioned
several
times
here
you
have
data
and
so
then
I
would
kind
of
eat.
Your
aunt's
asked
that
question
in
the
budget
hearings
which
happen
at
the
end
of
the
years,
but
if
you
kind
of
have
anything
off
the
top
of
your
head
at
one
point,
I,
remember
it
being
a
five-fold
increase
right
so.
L
K
Just
for
the
public
yeah
back,
let's
say
ten
years
ago,
maybe
a
little
more
11
or
12
years
ago.
There
was
basically
nothing
being
built
in
the
city,
except
for
like
one
or
two
ura
projects.
There
was
no
private
construction,
and
now
I
mean
all
you.
You
drive
around
my
part
of
town
and
all
you
see,
are
cranes
up
everywhere
right
and
that's
been
going
on
for
several
years,
and
it
you
see
more
every
time
you
open
the
paper.
K
D
Absolutely
thank
you
for
the
question.
So,
yes,
there's
been
a
five-fold
increase
of
construction
within
the
city
of
Pittsburgh,
and
we've
really
had
to
ramp
up
our
operations
to
be
responsive
to
that
and
we're
seeing
it
both
in
the
residential
and
the
commercial
so
and
I
do
have
to
say
that
during
the
pandemic
there
was
a
lot
of
applications
for
residential.
We
saw
an
increase
for
that,
as
people
are
in
their
homes,
they
seem
to
be
also
looking
to
replace
their
windows
fix
their
doors
at
a
study.
D
So
those
types
of
permits
not
only
increase
then
in
that
last
five
period,
five
year
period,
that
Councilman
gross
is
referencing
but
I
think
we
can
see
those
continuing
to
be
stay
steady,
so
he
issued
about
11,000
permits
last
year
in
2019
in
20
in
2014.
When
you
had
originally
asked
those
questions,
the
numbers
I
believe
are
around
6
to
7,000
permits,
so
there's
been
an
increase
in
that
period
of
time.
D
I
think
this
year,
due
to
the
pandemic
at
the
end
of
the
year
when
I'm
before
you
council
table
for
the
budget,
we're
gonna
see
a
little
bit
of
a
decrease,
but
I
do
think
that
it
will
pick
back
up.
Our
construction
season
is
ongoing
right
now
and
it's
pretty
hot.
Our
inspectors
are
receiving
tons
of
requests
for
inspections,
so
even
if
our
permit
volume
has
gone
down
a
little
bit,
our
need
to
inspect
on
permits
that
were
previously
issued.
K
So
that
I
think
frames
worse,
it's
like
if
we
had
a
chart
like
that.
It
would
be
like
this
of
like
the
permits,
applications
right,
but
your
staffing
has
basically
not
increased
at
all
if
I,
the
last
time,
I,
remember,
budget
discussion
now,
there's
been
dollar
investments
that
the
budget
has
gone
up
because
of
the
technology.
Investments
and
I
bring
this
up
because
I'm
usually
a
skeptic
on
techno
investments,
not
because
I
don't
have
experience
in
technology
because
they
do.
K
You
know
early
programming
and
my
you
know,
family
members
who
do
these
kinds
of
total.
You
know
purchasing
inventory
accounting
software
packages
that
we
have
kind
of
moved
more
towards
at
the
city
and
you'll
often
hear
me
say
just
because
there
are
bells
and
whistles
doesn't
mean
you're
going
to
use
them
or
you
should
pay
for
them.
But
I
think
this
is
a
case
where
I've.
Actually,
we
can
see
the
value
right.
Knowing
what
is
happening
is
huge
that
you've
entered
the
data
not
only
ongoing,
but
also
rough.
You
went
backwards
in.
G
K
G
K
Know,
thank
you
for
that,
and
I
also
just
want
to
reiterate
that
we
talked
I
think
we're
talking
through
the
different
districts.
We
talked
about
the
different
kinds
of
buckets
of
activity
that
PLI
does
right
from
demolitions
and
working
on
inspections
of
residential
properties,
single
family
type,
neighborhoods
and
new,
permitting
in
those
single
family
type
neighborhoods
as
well.
The
huge
construction
projects
that
you
all
have
the
same
skill
set
is
in
the
same
department
for
doing
a
new
hospital
or
a
new
office
tower
and
is
also
kind
of
doing.
K
So
it's
council
members
that
you
know
you
might
have
a
street
now
that
has
those
empty
Main
Street
storefronts,
but
when
they
go
to
be
occupied,
it's
important
for
equity
issues
that
we
do
the
kind
of
hand-holding
and
helping
that
other
members
have
suggested
here.
I
think
what
I've
seen
in
the
large
development
and
in
the
large
businesses
that
have
moved
in
you
know,
companies
moving
in
and
hiring.
K
You
don't
have
any
of
those
people,
and
so
but
it's
important
to
the
city
and
our
neighborhood
livability
for
our
constituents
to
not
just
have
an
office
building
nearby
but
that
they
have
as
I
always
say.
You
know,
you're
gonna,
have
a
drug
store,
a
daycare
and
a
dentist
to
have
a
liveable
neighborhood,
especially
if
you
don't
own
a
car.
If
you
got
kids
in
the
house,
so
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
being
equitable
in
how
we
deal
with
all
of
the
buckets
that
PLI
has
to
deal
with
and
again
for
my
help.
K
I
know,
none
of
those
things
are
obvious
to
do,
and
they
are
these
balls
of
strings
that
we
try
to
untangle
so
that
we
can
change
and
to
frame
it's
for
the
public
again
15
years
ago,
there
weren't
dozens
and
dozens
of
people
trying
to
open
bakeries
and
drugstores
and
daycares
and
yeah.
We
are
really
having
to
ramp
back
up
from
those
austere
years
where
businesses
were
just
closing
and
that
dozens
of
businesses
trying
to
open
so
we're
standing,
ready
to
help
and
look
we're
to
working
with
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
H
Thank
you,
I
know
that
we've
been
talking
for
about
50
minutes
now,
so
I
want
to
belabor
this
too
much,
but
I
did
want
to
just
add
in
as
Celts
when
Wilson
was
talking
about
sort
of
a
heavy
hand
in
this
feel,
with
business
owners
and
with
Councilman
gross
to
mentioning
equity.
One
thing
that
my
mind
jump
to
was
this
is
a
bigger
picture
issue
that
I
think
is
gonna,
involve
multiple
departments
and
a
broader
discussion,
but
my
concern
over
a
couple
of
different
things
that
are
related.
H
You
know
how
do
we
balance
the
need
to
make
sure
that
communities
are
as
livable
as
possible
that
people
who
have
the
means
to
do
so
are
fixing
their
sidewalks
and
are
cutting
their
grass
and
are
keeping
their
buildings
in
a
certain
state
of
repair,
while
at
the
same
time,
not
being
so
reactive
and
punitive
that
it
it
puts
someone
on
the
path
towards
being
in
trouble
with
the
law
or
being
in
front
of
a
judge
or
having
a
penalty
issued
against
them.
I
get
them.
H
In
addition
to
one
that's
been
brought
to
my
attention
by
others,
which
is
that
as
neighborhood
start
to
change,
neighborhood
start
to
gentrify
the
idea
that
people
homeowners,
long-term
homeowners,
are
being
targeted
by
those
who
want
to
zap
them
with
a
PLI
violation
in
an
interest
in
a
sort
of
a
bullying
interest
to
be
able
to
get
them
to.
Through
you
know,
death
through
paper
cuts
be
able
to
then
eventually
acquire
their
property
and
they're
being
targeted
and
I.
Don't
think
there
are
any
easy
answers.
H
I,
certainly
don't
want
to
put
you
on
the
spot
to
answer
or
to
solve
this
today.
I
just
wanted
to
let
you
and
others,
and
the
public
know
that
something
I'm
thinking
about
and
director
Pinter,
if
you
have
thoughts,
I'm
open
to
hearing
them
right
now,
but
wanted
to
just
play
up
that
seed
of
something
I'd
be
interested
in
further
discussing
here.
D
Yeah,
absolutely
so
that's
you
know,
obviously
disturbing
for
us.
We
are.
Our
role
is
to
take
complaints
as
they
come
in,
so
we're
not
looking
at
how
they
originated.
So
it's
a
bigger
question,
I
think
to
your
point.
That
should
include
some
other
players
as
well,
but
it's
an
important
equity
question
and
you
know
hope
to
work
with
the
mayor's
office
to
address
those
types
of
issues.
I
Thank
you.
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
that,
like
I
mentioned
about
the
permits
and
the
fees
and
the
being
so
costly,
that's
why
I
point
out
that
that's
something
that
council
should
be
looking
at
when
we
accept
and
vote
on
the
permits,
the
fee
schedules
and
so
I
just
think
that
that's
something
that
we
have
to
have
a
talk
about.
I
think.
I
We
also
make
sure
that
we
have
a
voice
in
that
when
we
vote,
but
I
do
want
to
also
acknowledge
that
I
think
that
there's
a
lot
of
questions
being
asked
and
I
think
a
lot
of
that
comes
from
people
wanting
to
know
what
I
think
legitimate
reasons.
But
I
also
think
that
you
know
I'd
be
remiss
if
I
didn't
say:
I
think
that,
as
a
woman
in
this
industry,
you're
going
to
have
people
challenging
and
questioning
as
I
felt.
I
The
previous
director,
more
so
than
then
your
male
counterparts,
sometimes
and
I,
said
once
you
know
that
the
Women's
Caucus
is
here
and
we'd
love
to
work
with
you
and
help
you
if
you
ever
come
across
any
issues
that
we
can
help
you
with,
but
we
know
your
ability
and
your
capability
and
it's
been
very
amazing,
working
with
you.
So
thank
you,
Thank
You
councilman
thank.
G
F
F
He's
had
apartments
in
caracal
Councilwoman,
Brody
AK
was
on
the
council
that
were
utterly
deplorable
properties
throughout
the
Southside
back
in
the
hollow
1500
Bingham
Street
a
church
in
Arlington
and
has
been
cited
and
in
court
I
have
lost
count
of
a
number
of
times
this
property
owner
has
been
before
judges
we've
gone,
we
have
appeared.
He
clearly
knows
how
to
work
the
system.
He
knows
how
to
play
it
and
get
through
it
to
his
advantage.
F
So,
just
about
a
week
or
two
ago,
I
got
calls
that
people
were
living
again
in
one
of
his
properties
in
Arlington
there's
it
is
not
permissible.
It's
been
through
the
courts.
I
can't
tell
you
how
many
times
I
called
our
inspector.
Our
inspector
was
wonderful.
He
was
up.
There
immediately
informed
the
tenants
that
somehow
they
had
been
taken
advantage
of
whatever
this
property
owner
told
them.
They
cannot
be
in
there
and
cannot
be
living
in
that
building.
M
F
Systems
after
system
after
system
after
system
fails,
you
know
what
rolls
downhill.
It
ends
up
in
our
lap
and
our
constituents
want
to
know
why
we
are
not
doing
something
about
it
when
we
are,
but
what
we're
doing
is
fist
fighting
in
the
dark
trying
to
accomplish
what
they
buy
right
as
residents
and
citizens
of
the
city
have
you
know
we
set
the
standard
and
we
turn
it
over
to
be
implemented
and
enforced,
and
far
too
often
it
just
isn't
happening.
G
F
It
brings
the
conversation
around
equity
and
I've
heard
that
mention
a
number
of
times,
and
you
know
and
I'm
certainly
not
looking
to
play
anyone
against
anyone.
So
please
don't
take
it
that
way,
but
there
are
sections
of
the
city
and
streets
in
the
city
where
burned-out
shells
of
houses
would
not
sit
for
two
years
and
there
would
not
be
problems
with
squatters
and
properties
that
clearly
have
been
through
the
courts.
I,
don't
know
how
many
times
and
still
becoming
problematic,
so
help
yeah.
D
Councilwoman
Teresa
Kayla
Smith
had
recently
had
one
of
hurt
staff
members
reach
out,
and
we
had
some
members
of
the
public
attend
a
court
date,
and
that
has
been
that
has
done
wonders
to
support
PLI
in
our
violation,
work
violations
we
get
to
that
third
notice
for
going
to
court
and
then
we're
at
the
mercy
of
the
courts
there.
When
a
constituent
is
there
and
they
say,
please
do
not
continue
this
case.
F
Community
leaders
do
attend,
I
often
attend
a
step
for
my
officer,
tens.
We
petition
the
court
and
we
find
failure
after
failure
it
doesn't,
it
doesn't
appear
to
be
helping
and
so
I.
Perhaps
the
challenge
is:
how
can
we
better
communicate
with
the
courts?
How
very
important
these
issues
are
to
to
us
in
the
constituency
and
the
people
that
we
represent
and
serve
I'm?
Certainly
not
I'm,
not
having
the
success.
B
Thank
you
any
further
members
for
a
second
round,
seeing
none
just
one
thought
along
the
demolition
conversation
some
years
ago,
I
started
looking
into
the
potential
to,
as
opposed
to
demolition,
look
at
stabilization
efforts.
Sometimes
there
are
properties
that
are
not
in
need
of
demolition,
but
they
need
a
dormer
fix
or
they
need
something
along
those
lines
stabilized
so
that
we
can
eventually
get
them
back
on
to
them
onto
the
tax
rolls.
B
Fortunately,
at
the
time,
I
was
looking
to
utilize
CDBG
dollars
the
challenges
legally
I
discovered
there
was,
we
couldn't
guarantee
the
end
user
and
if
you
couldn't
guarantee
end
user
was
eligible
for
CDBG,
a
CDBG
dollar
eligible
user,
then
you
may
run
to
a
legal
problems
trying
to
utilize
those
dollars
for
stabilization.
Plus
there
was
the
issue
of
going
on
to
private
property
to
be
able
to
stabilize.
B
So
this
is
all
to
say,
I,
don't
necessarily
have
an
answer,
but
it's
something
I'd
probably
like
to
discuss
with
you
at
some
point
in
time,
I
think
now,
with
the
land
bank.
Now
with
the
Housing
Opportunity
Fund
in
the
ura,
there
may
be
some
sort
of
try
cooperation
agreement.
I,
don't
know
what
that
is
that
allows
us
to
begin
looking
at
this,
a
little
differently
to
begin
to
go
onto
private
property
begins
stabilizing,
knowing
that
we
actually
do
now
have
a
end
user
in
mind
via
the
land
bank
or
via
the
ura.
B
B
You
seeing
no
further
speakers
at
this
point.
We
will
end
this
kin,
sir.
Thank
you.
Your
nomination
will
come
up
for
vote
next,
Wednesday
I
believe
and
final
vote,
the
following
Tuesday.
So
thank
you
for
your
time.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
We
will
now
transition
to
our
regular
standing
committee
meeting
Martin.
Our
first
order
of
business
is
public
comment.
We
have
a
number
of
people
who
I
believe
have
been
waiting
for
an
hour
now
to
provide
public
comment.
When
you
do,
please
provide
your
name
and
neighborhood
for
the
record.
Our
first
commenter
is
Ron.
L
Councilman,
thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
speak
again.
First
I'd
like
to
say
that
I
was
very
impressed
by
what
L
the
council
people
stated
in
their
questioning
of
Miss
Kent
err
and
they
took
it
very
seriously
and
they
brought
some
very
complex
issues
that
I
not
thought
up
about
a
demolition
and
conservatorship,
maybe
in
commuting
funding
for
demolition.
So
it
was
very
impressed,
but
anyway,
I'm
here
to
talk
about
the
aspect
of
her
office
that
handles
building
permits
and
construction.
That
office
is
still
closed
to
individual
people.
L
Like
me,
there
is
no
one
to
talk
to
people.
Don't
respond
to
you.
They
essentially
ghost
you
on
on
emails.
It
takes
weeks
to
get
any
type
of
response,
and
then,
when
you
do
get
a
response,
the
emails
I
get
in
particular
from
David
Green
are
impossible
for
anyone
to
get
any
meaning
out
of.
Typically,
they
contradict
each
other.
The
emails
don't
make
sense,
and
all
of
these
things
could
be
resolved
in
a
ten
minute
phone
call,
but
he
does
he
in
particular
a
much
work.
L
That's
the
policy
of
this
country's
office
is
not
to
talk
to
the
citizens,
and
that
is
really
holding
back
the
city
and
doing
a
disservice
for
the
residents
in
Pittsburgh
that
there
is
no
one
really
to
talk
to.
There's
no
Ombudsman,
there
say
is
final
and
you
can't
really
understand
what
is
motivating
their
decision.
I'm,
not
saying
that
it's
not
justified,
but
it's
very
hard
for
an
architect,
a
lawyer
or
a
citizen
to
understand
where
that
office
is
going
for
and
I
agree
that
with
everyone
here
that
Sarah
seems
excellent.
L
I
was
very
impressed
and
I
believe
that
she
also
wants
the
office.
Do
a
lot
better
and
the
website
that
she
talked
about
throughout
today
was
very
impressive
and
it
helps
licensing
a
lot,
but
it
doesn't
do
a
lot
for
construction
permits.
It
gives
you
information,
but
it
doesn't
give
you
direction
and
there
is
no
one
to
answer
any
questions
for
people
at
a
reasonable
time.
L
There
is
no
help
from
her
staff
and
again,
as
I
said
earlier,
this
is
a
culture
there
and
what
she
really
needs
to
work
on
is
changing
that
culture,
and
she
did
mention
that
I
was
very
happy
to
hear
that
that
she
wants
to
change
the
status
quo
in
that
office,
that
she
wants
to
make
sure
that
people
feel
that
they're,
accountable
and
Sarah
needs
your
help.
Succeed
too.
She
needed
a
mandate
to
shorten
these
reviews
times.
L
L
Pittsburgh
is
falling
behind
in
that
aspect
and
that
would
really
help
boost
Sarah's
offices,
efficiency
and
she
needs
something
that
makes
people
feel
that
they're
heard
in
that
office
too,
responding
to
emails
in
a
timely
manner
allowing
your
constituents
to
talk
to
her
office
people
directly,
even
with
kovat,
even
well,
even
without
COBIT,
there's,
just
no
one
really
to
talk
to,
and
hopefully
over
the
next
couple
years.
I'll
see
these
changes.
Because
again,
pittsburgh
is
my
home
I'm
from
Newark
I'm
from
North
Point
Breeze
I've
lived
here.
L
N
My
name
is
Fred
Francis
I
live
in
Beach
view
right
on
the
red
line.
I
am
calling
in
today
to
renew
my
objections
to
the
agenda
item
about
funding
a
study
through
the
densest
group.
Just
as
a
reminder,
the
densest
group
is
pushing
a
provably
false
narrative
about
outside
agitators.
They
are
employing
counterterrorism
practices
that
they
are
teaching
to
municipal
police
departments
all
over
the
country
to
assist
with
what
they
call
crowd
control,
but
with
what
is
clearly
suppression
of
the
right
to
peaceably
assemble.
N
M
I
am
testifying
today
in
support
of
the
E
walthaus
historic
nomination,
I'm
an
architect
with
considerable
experience
with
the
adaptive
use
of
historic
buildings,
including
several
National
Register
properties.
I
am
a
30-plus
year,
Lawrenceville
resident
prior
to
moving
to
Lawrenceville
I
lived
in
the
central
north
side
in
Manchester,
where,
as
a
young
architect,
I
develop
my
passion
for
historic
buildings
and
historic
urban
neighborhoods
when
I
walk
by
the
Ewald
house
with
a
casual
observer
who
is
seeing
it
for
the
first
time
they
inevitably
say
hey.
M
That
house
is
different
when
I
explain
that
it
predates
the
existing
dense
row
house
fabric
of
the
neighborhood
and
is
in
fact
a
circa
1840
Greek
Revival
house
that
had
extensive
grounds
that
originally
stretched
to
the
river.
They
are
amazed
and
want
to
know
more.
It
gives
me
the
opportunity
to
talk
about
the
historic
Allegheny
Arsenal
and
the
semi-rural
bucolic
era.
When
these
Arsenal
style,
Greek,
Revival
houses
were
built
and
the
historic
Allegheny
cemetery
was
established,
saving
and
reusing.
The
evil
pulse
house
is
critical
to
telling
Lawrenceville
story
for
future
generations.
M
The
owners
of
the
eave
old
house,
the
Rupert's,
inherited
the
evil
house.
They
are
not
City
residents
and
are
not
interested
in
issues
critical
to
Lawrenceville
I
questioned
a
number
of
statements.
The
rupert's
and
the
representatives
have
made
at
various
hearings
through
this
process
and
would
like
to
briefly
comment
on
a
couple
of
them.
The
Ruppert
state
that
the
roof
was
damaged
in
the
2019
microburst
that
the
roof
is
failing
and
the
house
is
in
danger
of
collapse.
I
have
viewed
rent
footage
of
the
roof
and
other
than
a
few
missing
shingles.
M
It
looks
in
pretty
good
shape.
My
wife
and
I
actually
owned
one
of
the
Lawrenceville
buildings
damaged
by
the
microburst.
A
very
high
decorative
chimney
crashed
through
our
roof.
We
ended
up
tearing
half
the
roof,
replacing
the
ridge,
beam,
rafters
and
some
of
the
floor.
Joists
demolition
never
crossed
our
mind.
Mr.
Ruppert
states.
He
is
a
contractor.
M
If
that
is
the
case,
my
advice
is
that
if
there
is
some
damage
to
talk
to
his
insurance
company
and
fix
it
as
the
chairperson
that
the
Planning
Commission
told
the
rupert's
condition
of
the
house
is
the
owner's
responsibility
the
owner
is
the
steward
of
the
house.
In
addition
to
the
market,
marketability
of
the
ER,
while
house
that
will
be
discussed
by
others,
I
recently
became
aware
of
a
large
residential
property
on
45th
Street
that
apparently
sold
for
over
a
million.
It
is
presently
being
gutted
and
reroute.
M
O
Carol
had
conversations
with
her
parents
a
key
Georgian
her
and
wanted
it
preserved
and
about
how
a
parent
to
be
in
decent
condition
from
the
outside.
Yes,
it
needs.
Some
work
would
prepare
masonry,
cleaning,
repointing
new
windows.
All
of
this
is
doable.
I
was
in
sided
over
a
year
ago.
The
interior
has
a
lot
of
its
original,
unique
interior
architecture
fabrics.
The
house
we
believe
can
be
economically
were
innovated.
The
current
owners
have
stated
that
the
house
has
an
amendment
danger
of
collapse
itself,
just
because
of
their
neglect.
O
I
believe
that
the
Evolve
house
renovated
applying
thoughtful
design
and
quality
construction
with
a
marketable
within
the
range
of
high-end
homes
currently
available
in
the
Lawrence
whole
neighborhood.
We
strongly
agree
with
it.
Her
own
hostel
two
doors
up
from
us
and
the
computer
cookie
foundry
was
completely
gutted
and
renovated,
and
it
just
sold
I
think
15
hours
over
625.
This
house
did
not
have
the
large
lot,
which
were
trees
nearly
as
great
as
a
year
old
house,
the
prospective
developer
sustained.
He
had
no
interest
in
renovating
or
restoring
the
house.
O
Q
Q
Members
can
you
hear
me
yes
good
morning,
my
name
is
Keith
Cochran
I
have
practiced
architecture
with
a
specialty
and
historic
preservation
for
more
than
45
years,
unbelievably
and
much
at
that
time.
As
a
residents
of
Lawrenceville
on
behalf
of
the
Lawrenceville
stakeholders,
I
nominated
the
Ewald
house
at
186
home
Street
as
a
historic
structure
under
the
pittsburgh
preservation
ordinance.
Q
At
the
same
time,
I
consented
to
and
support
the
historic
nomination
of
the
Maori
Addison
mansion
at
51
34
Carnegie
Street,
which
I
owned
together
with
my
wife,
Mary
Maserati,
the
historic
Review
Commission
and
the
Planning
Commission
have
both
confirmed
the
significance
of
these
houses
in
their
votes
to
recommend
city.
Historic,
designation.
Q
I
can
only
add
that
the
significance
of
both
of
these
structures
will
document
it
as
early
as
1967
in
the
first
major
publication
of
the
Pittsburgh
history
and
landmarks
foundation,
landmark
architecture
of
Allegheny
County
and
reaffirmed
the
designation
in
2019
of
the
Lawrenceville
National
Register
historic
district,
which
will
provide
federal
tax
incentives
for
rehabilitation
of
contributing
structures
such
as
the
Ewok
and
Maori
houses.
A
brief
note
regarding
the
feasibility
of
preserving
the
Ewok
house,
which
is
now
under
threat
of
demolition.
I
am
aware
of
multiple
interested
purchasers
for
the
house
as
a
rehabilitation
rehabilitation
project.
Q
Unfortunately,
since
the
house
went
on
the
market
in
2019,
it
was
never
listed
with
a
licensed
real
estate
agent
or
available
for
other
agents
to
show
through
the
multi
list.
I
know
of
interested
purchasers
who
were
unable
to
have
their
calls
returned
by
the
owner
and
that's
unable
to
have
offers
considered
I
believe
the
house
can
be
readily
sold
at
Behr
value
if
marketed
through
conventional
means.
Finally,
I
want
to
emphasize
that
I
believe
the
house
is
structurally
sound
and
readily
marketable
for
rehabilitation
and
reuse.
Q
I'll
close
with
a
brief
statement
regarding
the
owners,
current
opposition
to
designation
of
the
house
as
a
historic
structure
over
the
past
30
years,
interested
Lawrenceville
residents,
including
the
late
Carol
Peterson,
a
good
friend
of
mine
and
me
spoke
repeatedly
with
George
Rupert
who
owned
and
lived
in
the
house
and
his
sons,
Eric
and
Gerard.
Regarding
the
family's
desire
to
see
the
house
preserved,
the
stakeholders
originally
moved
forward
with
a
nomination
in
2018.
With
this
understanding,
we
were
thus
surprised
to
receive
a
letter
of
objection
to
the
nomination
from
Eric,
Rupert
and
Eric's
wife.
Q
We
understand
that
Erik
inherited
sole
ownership
of
the
house
for
the
secondary.
We
relied
on
the
Rupert's
assurances
in
the
letter
that
the
house
will
not
be
torn
down
and
it
will
stay
a
family
home
and
accordingly
withdrew
our
original
nomination.
But,
to
our
dismay,
in
the
summer
of
2019,
a
developer
applied
for
zoning
variances
to
demolish
the
house
and
build
five
row
houses
on
the
property
in
2009
in
November,
despite
the
fact
that
the
zoning
variances
were
under
appeal,
application
was
filed
for
a
demo
permit.
B
R
We
looked
at
literally
everything
built
in
the
district
to
develop
the
inventory
for
the
historic
district
between
five
and
six
thousand
properties,
and
we
did
that
we
identified
which
properties
contributed
to
the
historic
character
of
the
district
and
which
didn't,
and
we
were
also
charged
with
identifying
individual
buildings
with
potential
individual
historical
significance,
I
personally
surveyed
the
Ewalt
house.
During
this
effort
and
I
marked
it
as
both
contributing
and
potentially
individually
eligible
for
the
National
Register,
which
has
criteria
very
similar
to
those
for
city,
historic,
designation
and
I.
R
Just
want
to
talk
to
you
briefly
about
my
reasons
for
that.
Primarily
it
is
one
of
the
most
distinctive
buildings
in
Lawrenceville,
and
this
is
due
to
its
size,
its
siting,
its
style,
its
era
of
construction
and
its
association
with
early
patterns
of
development
of
Lawrenceville.
This
is
one
of
the
very
few
buildings
in
Lawrenceville
or
in
the
city
of
Pittsburgh,
from
the
pre
Civil
War
period.
R
The
evil
house
is
also
a
rare
free-standing
example
of
a
Greek
Revival
house
in
Pittsburgh.
All
buildings
can
be
expected
to
age
and
change,
of
course,
over
100
150
170
years,
but
the
evil
house
has
enough
integrity
that
Greek
Revival
character
is
still
evident
and
tells
us
something
about
the
architectural
practices
of
that
time
in
Pittsburgh's
history.
R
The
pairing
of
this
nomination
with
the
Maori
addisam
house
is
especially
meaningful
because
they're,
both
Greek
Revival
houses
in
Lawrenceville,
but
the
same
but
also
different,
and
so
the
designation
of
each
of
them
expands
the
historic
and
architectural
context
of
both
of
them.
The
fact
that
there
are
two
Greek
Revival
former
country
houses
left
in
Lawrenceville
doesn't
make
either
of
them
less
valuable
or
expendable
they're
different
threads
of
the
same
story.
The
story
of
pre
Civil,
War
Lawrenceville,
is
richer
for
having
both
of
these
important
houses
preserved
in
the
district.
R
The
final
thing
I
would
like
to
say
is
I
would
like
to
confront
directly
one
of
the
owners.
Criticisms
of
this
nomination
I
understand
that
they
have
objected
to
the
designation
of
the
Ewok
house
on
the
grounds
that
its
former
owner
Samuel
E
Walt,
was
associated
with
slavery
and
as
preservationist
and
as
citizens.
We
need
to
be
very
sensitive
about
our
efforts
to
preserve
artifacts
of
history
that
are
oppressive
or
offensive
to
any
members
of
our
community.
S
Thank
you.
My
name
is
John
axe.
Tell
I
live
in
friendship,
I
moved
to
Lawrenceville
in
1982,
I
purchased
and
restored
a
house
on
Main
Street
in
1985,
which
I
still
owned,
I've
been
active
with
Lawrenceville
revitalization
and
preservation.
Efforts
continuously
for
close
to
40
years.
I
urged
the
City
Council
to
concur.
In
the
judgment
of
the
historic
review,
Commission
and
Planning
Commission
that
the
you
alton
maori
houses
are
worthy
of
protection
under
the
pittsburgh
historic
preservation
ordinance.
The
preservation
ordinance
exists
to
protect
just
such
landmark
structures
as
the
e
walton
maori
houses.
S
I
and
others
have
been
attracted
to
Lawrenceville
in
Pittsburgh
in
no
small
part
because
of
the
authentic
and
distinctive
character
of
the
neighborhood
and
the
city.
This
character
stems
as
much
from
our
community's
heritage
of
stewardship,
of
good
architecture
in
buildings,
big
and
small,
as
it
does
from
new
construction.
We
should
expect
holders
of
investment
properties
and
commercial
developers
to
abide
by
these
standards
in
the
same
way
that
we
expect
our
neighbors
to
do
so.
S
The
fine
Greek
Revival
design
of
the
Ewalt
and
Maori
houses
make
them
exactly
the
kind
of
place
defining
buildings
that
establish
the
character
of
a
neighborhood
like
Lawrenceville
in
a
city
like
Pittsburgh,
they
will
join
numerous
examples
of
similar
historic
houses
that
have
been
successfully
maintained
as
economically
viable
properties
in
Lawrenceville,
including
my
own
house,
on
Main
Street
I
hope
that
City
Council
will
ensure
that
the
Maori
and
Ewald
houses
will
continue
to
contribute
to
a
successful
future
for
Pittsburgh.
Thank
you
thank.
T
I'm
Melissa
mcswiggen
I
live
in
Point
Breeze
first
I
want
to
say
thank
you
to
City
Council.
As
I
know,
you
all
have
numerous
issues
on
your
plate
and
I
appreciate
all
you
do
for
the
city.
Your
dedication
really
shows,
as
evidenced
by
this
meeting
and
what
I
heard
prior
to
the
public
comments,
as
well
as
what
I
follow
in
the
news
and
I
really
do
mean
that
sincerely.
T
But
I
am
going
to
speak
more
specifically
about
the
Ewald
house,
as
the
others
have
done.
Without
the
historic
designate,
this
national
historic
district
house
will
likely
be
demolished
by
the
developer
to
make
way
for
more
non,
affordable
housing
in
Lawrenceville.
The
new
development
would
would
likely
obliterate
all
the
unusual
trees
that
that
shade
the
green
space
and
make
for
an
unexpected
and
charming
lot
among
the
neighborhoods
many
row
houses
and
with
daily
concerns
about
environmental
sustainability.
T
Generally,
the
most
green
thing
we
can
do
is
renovate
when
possible
and
not
to
mala
Sh
and
also
given
today's
construction.
Any
new
development
put
on
the
site
will
not
have
the
lifespan
of
this
existing
pre,
Civil
War
house
I.
Do
appreciate
that
there
is
a
genuine
property
rights
concern
on
City
Council
I
too,
am
a
city,
property
owner
and
I've
also
lived
in
a
local
historic
district.
T
This
local
nomination
is
part
of
that,
as
is
zoning
permitting
and
other
land
use
and
I
just
want
to
say
that
designating
the
Ewok
house
as
historic
would
not
rob
the
property
owners
of
their
right
to
sell
the
building
and,
additionally,
our
historic
preservation
ordinance
does
provide
a
financial
hardship
Clause
for
the
property
owner.
Thus
historic
designations
help
to
balance
quality
of
living
and
neighborhood
planning
with
individual
property
owner
needs.
T
U
Hi
I
can
hear
me
alright,
yeah,
no
I,
so
I
wanted
to
speak
on
the
the
secondary
employment
software
that
is
before
you
today.
It
I
have
a
lot
of
questions
about
secondary
employment.
I
I,
don't
know
the
history
of
of
the
program
for
the
for
the
police
department.
U
It
it
seems,
like
the
intention
is
to
get
more
police
out.
You
know
to
for
security
reasons
at
certain
locations
like
bars
and
I.
Guess
I,
just
like
I
haven't
seen
any
like
proof
that
this
is
actually
helpful.
You
know
Bart
bars
are
paying
like
you
know,
really
high
rates,
I
mean
I,
know
I,
go
to
the
John
Eagle
on
Cedar
Avenue
and
there's
there's
often
been
a
police
officer
there.
There,
though,
I
think
that
they've
transitioned
to
a
security
guard
I,
don't
know
the
reason
for
that,
and
so
I
guess.
U
U
U
We
take
a
portion
on
it
to
pay
for
the
program,
but
if
we're
actually
losing
money
some
years
on
that,
that
seems
to
not
really
be
well
structured
program,
but
but
no
I,
I,
just
I
hope
that
counsel
will
inquire
more
as
to
why
we
have
this
program.
What
the
benefits
are,
if
there's
any
pros
cons.
All
that
that's
it.
Thank
you.
Thank.
B
T
Q
B
C
Witness
directed
the
Allegheny
County
Board
of
Elections
so
places
one
of
the
qualified
told
us
of
the
city
and
the
2020
November
general
election.
A
referendum
questions,
shell,
buttocks
burn
Home,
Rule
Charter
article
to
executive,
be
amended
and
supplemented
by
a
myth
of
the
language
and
adding
new
language
sections,
229
and
230
to
expand
the
powers
of
the
independent
Citizen
Police
Review
Board,
to
allow
the
board
to
carry
out
its
original
mandate
to
investigate
police
misconduct
and
improve
police-community
relations.
U
C
Rising
and
directing
the
city
controller
transfer
a
total
of
$25,000,
as
indicated
from
into
the
following
accounts
in
the
2020
operating
budget
bill.
403
resolution
authorizing
the
mirror.
An
executive
director
of
the
Citizen
Police
Review
Board,
to
enter
into
an
agreement
with
the
densest
group
to
provide
citizen
police
review
board
with
a
third-party
assessment
of
an
effective
plan
to
address
police
citizen
engagement
and
use
of
force
as
it
is
currently
deployed
and
providing
for
payment
across
erupted
in
an
amount
not
to
exceed
$25,000.
B
F
F
At
the
request
of
the
director
last
night,
the
citizens
Police
Review
Board,
met
in
their
monthly
board
meeting
and
the
topic
of
the
conversation
was
this
transfer
of
twenty
five
thousand
dollars
to
assist
with
the
third-party
assessment
and
the
board
last
night
voted
5
to
1
in
support
of
the
directors
desire
to
petition
the
council
for
this
transfer
of
funds
so
that
they
could
enter
into
a
third-party
assessment,
and
so
I
brought
director
Bettinger
in
this
morning
and
she's
here
on.
Our
zoom
call
I'd
like
to
turn
the
conversation
over
to
her
for
now.
F
V
Good
morning,
council
members,
this
involves
our
independent
assessment
of
the
incidents
related
to
protests
that
were
here
in
the
city
of
Pittsburgh,
from
May
30th.
Through
a
controversial
incident
that
occurred
on
June
1st,
we
are
interested
in.
We
require
a
professional
perspective
in
a
very
limited
view
of
what
went
right.
What
went
wrong?
What
could
we
do
better?
We
have
conflicting
stories
in
terms
of
the
use
of
force,
the
escalation
of
force.
R
V
Police
reported
circumstances
that
differ
from
what
the
community
has
reported.
We
can
offer
conjecture
and
opinion
and
a
subjective
interpretation
of
a
lot
of
the
information
that
we
have,
but
to
make
the
report
credible
and
to
offer
that
information
to
inform
the
board
as
they
prepare
their
final
report.
It
is
appropriate
and
necessary
for
us
to
have
that
limited,
but
professional
scope
of
review.
The
densest
group
I've
heard
some
criticisms
of
them
they.
This
is
what
they
do.
They
assess
the
management
of
protests
from
the
the
government
side.
V
Basically,
our
rights
being
protected,
our
our
police
operating
as
Guardians
rather
than
street
warriors.
How
do
we
assure
that,
when
people
wish
to
protest
old
demonstrations
to
redress
government
that
it
is
done
in
a
safe
manner,
so
that
we're
protecting
our
protesters
as
well
as
protecting
our
police
officers?
That's
the
essence
of
our
request.
We
do
not
have
enough
money
to
do
it
on
our
own,
so
we
have
sought
this
transfer
of
funds
to
allow
us
up
to
the
25
thousand
dollars
to
complete
this.
F
So
director,
when,
when
the
conversation
first
initiated,
I
was
made
aware
of
some
state
legislators
that
had
posted
some
suggestions
as
to
what
we
can
do
at
a
very
difficult
time
like
this
to
assist
and
support,
and
one
of
them
was
that
we
can
enrich
and
empower
or
form
citizens
police
review
boards.
And
you
see
additional
legislation
introduced
by
councilman
Burgess
yesterday
to
do
that.
F
K
So
thank
you
director
producer
for
being
here
and
thank
you.
Counseling
crowds
for
holding
this
bill
for
some
time.
Just
gonna
recap
a
little
bit,
I
think
what
my
staff
said.
I
got
many
calls
the
morning
Tuesday
June
2nd
about
the
events
of
the
evening
before
again,
with
just
kind
of
that
stretch
of
center
Avenue,
the
City
Council
boundaries
go
right
down.
The
center
line
of
the
street,
so
half
of
the
street
is
is
district
7
and
the
other
half
the
street
is
district.
8
I
saw
a
lot
of
video
footage
from
constituents.
K
I
saw
a
lot
of
video
footage
from
media
and
I
made
a
public
statement
that
it
looked
to
me
that
the
only
video
footage
we
could
see
looked
like
the
police
were
acting
in.
An
unprovoked
were
not
not
provoked
and
used
force
and
chemical
weapons
in
their
arsenal
on
peaceful
protesters,
and
if
there
was
other
footage
that
existed
that
showed
that
provocation
or
events
preceding
the
use
of
force,
it
wasn't
available
publicly
and
I
thought
the
public,
and
certainly
the
CPR
P
needed
to
be
able
to
see
that
footage
director
printer.
T
V
K
And
then
I
posting
that
evening
about
it
on
Facebook
and
calling
on
the
public
to
and
we're
laughing
amongst
us,
because
some
30,000
people
looked
at
that
Facebook
post
and
shared
it
at
400
times,
and
then
how
many
reports
do
you
have
now
from
citizens?
Oh,
we
have
40-plus.
Ok,
so
good
I'm
glad
to
hear
that,
because
the
more
information,
the
better,
certainly
I'm,
sure
there
are
different
camera
angles
and
different
time.
K
K
V
Thank
You
councilman
gross,
actually,
a
major
part
of
their
work
is
conducting
after-action
reports
to
audit
incidents
and
the
conduct
of
whoever
was
involved
in
whatever
incident
they
were.
Auditing
training
is
secondary
and
for
our
purposes
we
are
not
looking
for
any
training
to
occur.
We
are
looking
for
that
forensic
review
of
the
dynamics
that
were
in
play
during
those
incidents
that
raised
concern,
in
particular
the
June
1st
incident.
They
have
the
professional
expertise
that
we
do
not.
They
also
have
a
much
broader
philosophy
in
terms
of
the
use
of
force
or
any
purpose.
V
V
They
have
proven
themselves
over
the
years
to
me
as
being
professional
resource
that
if
I
have
questions,
they
have
been
very
generous
with
their
time
and
their
willingness
to
assist
me
to
understand
certain
police
tactics,
the
continuum
that
may
be
deployed
in
certain
instances,
which
would
be
totally
inappropriate
in
another
instance.
They
have
a
non-biased
local
view.
They
also
have
a
a
global
view
in
terms
of
best
practices
that
are
utilized
by
police
units
throughout
the
world,
where
they
do
in
fact
do
some
training.
V
At
the
request
of
the
State
Department
they've
demonstrated
a
unique
approach
that
is
different
from
your
traditional
people
are
entities
like
Blackwater
people
that
tend
to
do
this
kind
of
training.
That
is
a
little
bit
harder
in
the
use
of
force
emphasis.
Then
what
the
densest
group
promotes.
They
have
a
different
philosophy
and
it
was
consistent
and
compatible
with
what
we
believe
was
evolving
to
be
best
practices.
We
want
to
sure
that
if
we
are
not
engaging
in
best
practices
that
we
understand
where
those
deficiencies
may
be,
I
am
NOT.
V
A
professional
law
enforcement
person,
I
have
no
business
saying
the
officer.
Did
this
or
the
officer
did
that
during
those
incidents
and
it
was
appropriate
or
it
was
a
best
practice.
That's
why
we
want
to
inform
our
final
report
with
a
professional
expertise
that
dentists
brings
and
that
we
have
confidence
in
I've,
heard
criticisms
that
they
promote
an
intruder.
V
Intruder
theory:
there's
no
question
that
there
are
people
who
will
take
protest,
lawful
assembly,
lawful
protest.
They
will
use
it
as
cover.
They
will
then
disengage
from
the
legitimate
protest
and
proceed
to
engage
in
activity
that
is
destructive
and
that
diminishes
the
original
purpose
of
the
protest
they
use.
K
It
as
an
odd
thing,
I'm
sorry
I,
have
to
interrupt
Hector
I,
don't
see
any
of
the
complaints
from
citizens
saying
that
the
CPR
jeez
CPR
B's
job
here
is
determine
whether
they
are
outside
agitators
or
inside
agitators.
Regarding
the
events
of
June
1st,
well,
that's
actually
I.
It
is
not
apparent
to
me
that
that
is
part
of
the
investigation.
V
K
K
To
speak
a
little
more
to
that,
because
I
don't
understand
what
is
relevant
here
so
I
mean
we've,
we've
heard
in
the
media
right
again,
as
council
members
were
basically
only
getting
the
same
information
citizens
at
home
are
getting
and
we
saw
that
there
were
some
incidents
of
it.
You
know
burning
a
vehicle
downtown
five
days
earlier
or
something
like
that,
but
well
we're
talking
about
this
transfer
funds
being
to
help
you
with
the
investigations
of
June,
1st
and
and
those
citizen
complaints.
V
V
V
We
had
injuries,
I,
think
we're
aware
of
at
least
nine
injuries
that
occurred
to
protesters.
We
know
that
there
were
32
injuries,
that
police
officers
sustained
well
30
of
them
a
total
of
32
injuries.
It
didn't
it
envelops
the
entire
time,
because
we're
talking
about
the
police
intervention
during
that
period
of
time,
the
individuals
who
who
lit
the
the
police
vehicle
on
fire
and
that
kind
of
destruction,
then,
where
they
broke
the
windows,
where
we
had
property
damage,
they
were
not
a
part
of
the
legitimate
protest.
There
were
individuals
that
intrude.
K
There's
nothing
so
I
don't
want
to
spend
much
time
there,
because
my
concern
is
on
June
1st
I
understand
because
not
we
are
not
analyzing
a
little
outside
agitators
or
not.
I.
Don't
think
you
have
a
citizen
complaint
right,
and
this
is
the
Citizen
Police
Review,
Board
and
I
understand
that
your
mission
here
is
to
respond
to
citizen
complaints.
K
I
do
not
believe
from
the
complaints
that
I
got
from
citizens
that
none
of
the
emails
that
I
got,
who
are
asking
me
to
investigate
outside
agitators,
and
so
it's
my
understanding
when
I
referred
those
citizens
to
the
see
PRB,
they
were
saying
that
they
as
citizens
were
fired
upon.
They
had
personal
experience.
Being
you
know,
teargas
firing
or
being
you
know,
attacked
by
the
police
right
unprovoked,
so
that
I
am
happy
to
get
you
more
resources
to
investigate
those
complaints.
K
V
Councilman
I
can
assure
you
that
June
1st
is
a
significant
part
of
the
general
investigation,
each
of
those
individuals
who
submitted
an
individual
complaint.
They
are
being
investigated
individually
in
their
own
right
and
the
resources
that
we
can
apply
to
further
understand
what
transpired
in
each
of
those
complaints
there.
Certainly
that
is
part
of
our
purpose
here.
I.
V
Are
we
are
looking
at
the
big
picture
from
what
transpired
we
are
not
targeting
agitators
or
intruders
or
anything
like
that?
We're
not
investigating
criminal
behavior.
We
are
looking
at
the
overall
pattern
of
police
performance
and
community
performance.
We
are
investigating
each
complaint
that
we
received
individual
each
individual
complaint,
particularly
from
June
1st.
K
V
Are
no
verification,
we
are
not
investigating
individuals,
we
are
investigating
each
individual
complaint
that
we
received
in
their
own
right.
In
addition,
we
are
reviewing,
as
is
the
board's
consistent
with
the
board's
mission,
the
and
practices
that
were
applied
throughout
that
three-day
period.
I.
K
K
I
Thank
You
mr.
chair
I,
just
I,
want
to
echo
I
agree
with
councilman's
grosses
concerns
about
the
no
bid
contract
I'm,
just
I've
been
freaking
I've
been
here.
The
only
time
I've
ever
heard.
G
I
I
but
anyway,
I
feel
that
there's
a
lot
of
people
that
have
a
lot
of
concerns
and
and
I
think
that
they
don't
necessarily
feel
that
the
CPR
B
speaks
for
the
public
and
and
I
think
you
and
I
know
you
know
that
I
know
you're
aware,
but
I
do
want
to
say,
I.
Think
part
of
that
comes
from
you.
Have
such
an
immense
knowledge.
I
E
B
E
Mrs.
Pittenger
thanks
for
being
here,
and
I
really
do
appreciate
the
work
that
you
do
and
I
want
to
start
by
saying
you
know
I
think
our
police
officers
did
an
exemplary
job
throughout
all
these
protests.
I,
don't
know
how
many
there
were
Amy
beforehand
and
said
you
know
we
would
have
one
minor
incident
which
I
consider
minor
incident
as
to
whether
it
was
tear
gas
or
rubber
bullets.
I
would
have
signed
on
the
dotted
line
right
there,
because
you
know
they're
put
in
tough
situations
like
that,
and
you
know
sometimes
you
know.
E
Mistakes
are
made
and
I'm
not
saying
one
was
it
made.
I
did
talk
to
many
police
officers
who
were
on
the
scene.
Many
have
said
things
were
thrown
out.
You
know
now
whether
they
put
tear
gas
or
rubber
bullets
on
innocent
protesters.
I'm
sure
that's
the
case,
but
it
doesn't
mean
something
wasn't
thrown
from
a
distance
from
them.
So
I
can't
be
supportive
of
the
transfer
of
money.
I
can't
be
supportive
of
the
group,
you
know
to
me,
it
seems
like
$25,000
being
thrown
out
the
window.
I,
don't
think
we
need
this
investigation.
E
B
V
Councilman
Kyle,
there
is
no.
There
is
no
finding
here
that
anybody
did
anything
right
or
anybody
did
anything
wrong
right
now.
This
is
a
I
would
remind
everybody
that
in
it
with
due
respect
that
the
board
is,
has
issued
an
independent
decision
that
they
want
to
establish
the
facts.
They
want
to
understand
what
transpired.
Nobody
has
indicted
the
police
for
having
done
something
that
we
know
was
wrong
and
we
haven't
indicted
the
community
to
say
that
that
they
did
anything
wrong.
V
Our
intention
is
to
exercise
the
board's
independence
to
conduct
an
investigation
that
will
establish
facts
that
include
the
technical
assessment
of
the
conduct
that
occurred
in
during
that
three-day
period,
which
includes
police,
as
well
as
bystanders
and
people
who
were
engaged
in
the
protest
whatever
it
may
be,
to
establish
the
the
the
environment
in
which
the
engagements
that
happen
between
police
and
civilians,
whether
they
were
Outsiders,
whether
they
were
protesters,
whether
they
were
just
observers,
what
happened?
Where
did
it
happen,
and
was
it?
V
V
E
P
V
The
board
has
an
obligation
to
review
policies
and
practices
that
affect
the
relationship
between
the
community
and
the
police.
We
know
that
that
relationship
was
significantly
impacted
during
those
three
days.
The
board
has
indicated
that
it
is
worth
assessing
who
did
what?
When,
where?
What
worked?
Well,
what
didn't
work?
Well,
we
have
injuries
to
police
officers.
We
have
injuries
to
civilians.
We
have
to
understand
why
those
things
happen,
how
they
happened.
What
was
the
context
in
which
they
happened?
We
have
stories
that
are
contradictory.
V
We
want
to
establish
the
best
that
anybody
can
the
truth
of
the
matter,
and
we
can't
do
that
by
just
issuing
an
opinion
and
a
subjective
interpretation
of
the
material.
We
have
the
discussions
that
we
have
had
with
some
of
the
officers
that
were
involved.
It
has
to
be
a
comprehensive
review.
The
community
deserves
that
the
police
deserve
it
and,
and
frankly,
we
had
an
incident.
We
had
a
couple
of
incidents
that
occurred.
We
have
to
book
them.
We
have
to
have
established
a
rapport
that
says
here.
V
The
Independent
Police
Review
Board
is
going
to
engage
with
a
company
that
has
demonstrated
competence
and
is
compatible
in
their
philosophy.
To
best
practices
there
are
is
a
local
connection.
We
we
have
a
person
here
locally,
who
works
with
dentists,
and
that
would
be
our
one
of
our
contact
people
here
locally.
V
These
are
experts.
These
people
bring
expertise
that
we
do
not
have.
We
have
a
group
that
does
not
have
a
bias.
They
are
not.
They
don't
belong
to
the
same
clubs
that
police
officers
belong
to.
They
don't
engage
in
activities
that
are
consistent
with
some
of
the
the
populist
movements
that
we
are
aware
of.
They're
independent
professional
experts
on
public
order,
management
of
crowd
and
use
of
force
they're,
not
just
they
come
there.
They're
professionals
well.
E
You
know
Miss
filling
your
eye,
you
know
I
do
appreciate
the
work
you
do.
I
do
feel
that
$25,000
to
look
at
the
overall
scene,
you
know
I
think
we
should
be
happy
with
the
way
our
police
conducted
themselves
outside
the
one
minor
incident
that
I'm
not
real
sure
what
happened.
I
know
I
got
firsthand
reports
from
the
police
officers
that
were
there,
I
didn't
hear
from
any
citizens
as
to
what
they
thought
of
it.
I'm
sure
many
of
you
have,
but
you
know,
I
just
don't
feel
warrants
$25,000
look
into
it.
E
G
B
V
The
Independence
of
the
board
is
what
I'm
bringing
to
you.
This
is
what
they
wish
to
do,
and
we
have
asked
counsel
to
support
that
in
the
manner
in
which
you
can
support
it,
he's
what
the
bills
reflect
the
transfer
of
funds
and
the
approval
of
the
board
to
go
forward
so
that
we
can
get
this
done
in
an
expedited
fashion,
we're
already
at
June
24th,
and
we
had
an
incident
that
merits
response.
You
know
that
happened
three
weeks
ago.
So.
N
F
Urbanek
I,
don't
know
if
he
is
here
still
on
the
call
or
not,
but
there
were
there
was
a
clear
case
to
be
made
for
the
independence
of
the
citizens,
Police
Review
Board,
and
it
not
fall
not
falling
under
the
criteria
to
to
bid
this
out,
but
that
they
could
engage
in
this
contract
and
it
was
permissible
Beth.
Can
you
can
you
help
bring
that
back
to
me.
V
V
That's
correct:
an
after-action
report
provides
a
detailed
analysis
of
all
the
all
the
related
events,
the
deployment
of
officers,
the
deployment
of
weaponry,
the
deployment
of
I
guess.
Tear
gas
is
one
of
the
big
things.
The
pepper
spray
smoke.
All
of
those
aspects.
It
concisely
reports
on
what
transpired,
what
initiated
and
was
there
an
opportunity
to
de-escalate
or
what
contributed
to
the
escalation
of
the
engagement.
V
V
G
F
As
we
go
deeper
into
this
conversation
over
the
months
and
months
ahead
about
policing
and
I'll,
leave
it
at
that
encompassing
title,
we
are
I
believe
heading
more
towards
a
conversation
around
not
so
much
what
equipment
police
officers
have,
but
rather
the
deploying
of
it
and
when
it
is
appropriate
to
take
certain
actions
and
to
deploy
certain
equipment
that
police
officers
have
and
I
believe
that
not
to
go
too
far
into
the
weeds.
But
I
do
believe
in
after-action.
V
That's
correct:
it
can
be
guidance
for
the
bureau
of
police
and
for
you,
as
the
policymakers,
to
understand
as
you're
getting
into
those
discussions
where
we're
hearing
about
forbidding
the
use
of
certain
less
lethal
weapons
or
removing
equipment
from
officers.
That's
not
something
we
can
just
you
know
just
do.
There
are
circumstances
under
which
those
tools
are
necessary
and
that
they
are
they
are.
We
can't
just
remove
them
from
the
Police
Department's
toolbox
and
there
are
no.
V
There
were,
there
are
certain
circumstances
under
which
those
tools
that
are
considered
to
be
offensive
by
many
people
are
absolutely
necessary
to
protect
the
police
and
to
protect
the
community
and
wherever
whoever
may
be
in
the
environment,
where
they're
being
deployed.
We
can't
just
just
wipe
them
away
and
pretend
they
don't
exist.
Yeah.
F
And
I
honestly
I
didn't
mean
to
open
that
discussion.
I
used
it
only
as
a
means
to
get
to
the
the
at
least
as
I
understand,
in
my
conversations
with
you
and
after-action
report,
assisting
us
with
better
planning,
better
management,
understanding,
different
ways
of
or
means
or
times
when
a
deployment
is
appropriate
and
the
ultimate
goal
being
the
protection
of
both
police
protests
in
the
public
space.
That's.
I
You
councilman,
you
know
I
back
when
we
start
this
all
started
and
we
started
putting
legislation
forward.
I
said
one
of
the
things
I
wish
we
would
do
is
wait
to
hear
from
the
public
not
to
keep
throwing
legislation
on
the
table
not
to
keep,
because
we
always
think
we
know
the
answer,
and
then
we
hear
from
the
public.
We
realized
that
we
didn't
know
the
whole
answer
we
didn't
know
have
all
the
solutions
and
I
feel
like
this
is
one
of
those
times
where
we
really
ought
to
be
listening
to
the
public.
I
There
was
one
message
we
should
have
gotten
out
of
all
these
protests.
It
was
that
we
need
to
listen
to
the
public
a
little
bit
and
I.
Don't
think
that
we're
doing
that
when
we
keep
throwing
legislation
on
the
table,
I
really
wish
I
did
call
for
a
public
hearing
and
post
agenda
and
also
a
public
hearing
on
race
relations
in
the
city
and
so
I
think
that
we
need
to
get
there
schedule.
I
I
think
that
we
should
be
doing
all
we
can
to
assure
the
public
that
we're
seriously
looking
into
these
complaints
in
hi,
I'm,
With,
You,
councilman,
calico
I.
Think
our
police
overall
did
a
great
job.
But
to
pretend
that
there's
absolutely
nothing
that
we
could
have
done
differently
is
maybe
not
the
best
way
or
maybe
not
accurate
and
I.
Think
you
even
talk
to
police
officers
who
would
give
better
advice
on
some
of
the
things
that
they'd
like
to
see
us
do
differently
or
they
would
like
to
do
differently.
I
So
for
me,
I'm
going
to
vote
for
the
funding,
but
and
we're
not
gonna
vote
for
the
contract
today,
but
this
week,
I'd
like
to
talk
about
because
I
really
don't
want
to
start
going
down
this
road
when
we're
throwing
all
this
legislation
on
the
table
and
we
hadn't
even
heard
from
the
public
I'd,
prefer
we
hold
all
the
bills,
all
the
bills
until
we
hear
from
the
public,
that's
right
prefer.
We
do
because
I
think
that
that's
the
right
thing
to
do
so.
I,
don't
know
I'm
thinking
about
today,
but
I
may
abstain.
K
So
I
have
a
couple
good,
clarifying
questions.
Director
I
asked
you
if
you
had
additional
footage
for
the
events
of
June
first,
but
I
really
want
to
be
clear.
That
I
want
to
be
sure
that
you've
received
the
police
records
that
you
requested
from
either
radio
transcriptions
or
radio
messages
or
police
video
that
we've
as
again
citizens
heard
in
media
reports,
were
somehow
privileged
or
unable
to
be
shared
with
CPR
B.
Do
you
have
the
records
from
police
cameras
radios
from
the
evening
of
June
1st.
V
V
V
I'm
sorry
Councilwoman
the
board
reviewed
a
preliminary
report
last
evening
and
at
their
July
meeting
they
will
be
reviewing
the
complaints,
the
individual
complaints
that
we
have
in
addition
to
the
general
inquiry
that
we
have
opened,
the
board
meets
once
a
month.
That's
why
there
are
you
know,
there's
benchmarks
along
the
way.
What.
G
K
V
V
That's
why
he
asked
to
hold
it
for
a
week,
because
the
board
said
they
wanted
to
look
back
at
it,
reevaluate
their
own
position
on
it,
and
then
they
voted
to
to
proceed
with
the
densest
group
and
again
for
all
the
reasons
that
I've
said
before,
because
of
the
compatibility
of
the
philosophy
behind
the
densest
group
with
their
local
affiliation
that
it
was,
we
wanted
to
expedite.
We
want
to
get
this
thing
done,
and
so
they
reiterated
their
support
through
a
boat.
Last
evening.
K
K
Have
the
I
just
want
to
reiterate
that
the
next
meeting
is
on
July
28th
and
that
you
fully
expect
to
have
all
of
the
police
records
that
you
need
from
the
police
department
regarding
the
events
of
June
1st
in
hands
with
ample
time
to
have
them
under
consideration
for
your
July
28th
meeting
and
I?
Suppose
you
can.
Let
us
know
if,
if
you
don't
receive
those
and
I
would
request
that
you
do.
V
Be
happy
to
keep
you
informed
as
we
move
along
I
remind
council
that
we
do
have
subpoena
power
if
there
was
any
kind
of
resistance
to
providing
information,
we
felt
was
necessary.
It
certainly
Stan
the
board
subpoena
power
to
obtain
those
documents.
There
are
legal
parameters
under
which
we
must
all
work
and
we
would
certainly
abide
them,
but
I
will
be
happy
to
keep
you
informed
as
we
move
along
as
to
the
degree
of
cooperation
we
we
have
and
again
I
I've
been
assured
by
the
bureau
that
they
will.
G
K
H
You
mr.
chair,
miss
bender,
thank
you
for
being
here
today.
I
appreciate
all
of
the
the
time
you
spend
with
us
so
far,
it's
my
impression
that,
or
as
my
understanding
that
you
have
chosen
densest,
because
you've
worked
with
them
in
the
past,
is
that
true?
Yes,
in.
V
H
V
My
understanding
is,
there
were
recommendations
given
to
the
city
administration
at
the
time
and
they
were
officially
not
implemented,
though
my
understanding
from
officers
that
were
involved
during
that
time
that
there
was
some
they
appreciated
the
advice
at
the
time
it
was
mayor,
Luke,
Ravenstahl
and
my
understanding
is.
They
were
pretty
much
disregarded.
H
My
one
of
my
concerns
is
that
during
this
very
tight
budget
season,
we
are
going
to
be
spending
twenty
five
thousand
dollars
on
potentially
a
report
on
what
I
consider
to
be
a
fairly
narrow
topic,
and
this
large
large
topic
around
policing
that
will
potentially
result
in
internal
police
policy
changes.
That
will
you
tell
me
it.
Our
police
policy
is
available
to
the
public.
H
V
H
So
I
guess
one
of
my
concerns
is
that
the
report
is
released
and
it's
on
a
fairly
narrow
topic,
important
but
fairly
narrow,
and
that
it
sits
on
the
Shelf
I'm,
not
saying
that.
That's
necessarily
what's
going
to
happen
because
again
we're
in
a
very
different
time
there's
a
lot
of
momentum
around
change,
systemic
change
here,
both
in
the
public
council,
the
mayor's
administration.
H
We
could
get
more
cost
effectiveness
and
efficiency
if
we
were
able
to
combine
several
different
issues
and
topics
in
a
twenty
five
thousand,
or
perhaps
slightly
larger
grant
for
a
third-party
assessment
than
just
on
a
topic
of
policing
and
in
protests
and
First
Amendment
right.
So
that's
one
concern.
A
second
is
a
question:
how
does
this
relate
to,
or
how
does
this
differentiate
from
the
investigation
of
the
mayor
has
has
ordered.
V
Council-
and
this
is
this-
is
the
investigation
that
the
mayor
has
asked
us
to
do.
We
had
it
open
on.
This
is
the
same
thing
and
in
regard
to
your
earlier
question
about
how
do
we
know
it's
going
to
do
anything?
The
board,
the
chief
and
the
mayor
are
required
to
respond
to
the
board's
recommendations
within
30
days
upon
receipt,
whether
they're
going
to
accept
the
recommendations
implement
the
recommendations
is
offer
or
if
they
are
going
to
modify
and
implement
some
form
of
the
recommendation?
V
Oh,
so
there
is
a
turnaround
obligation
upon
receipt
of
recommendations
which
this
would
offer
what
they're
going
to
do
with
them,
so
it
doesn't
just
sit
on
the
shelf.
The
five
areas
that
we
are
looking
at
in
particular
relate
to
the
use
of
force,
the
continuum
of
control,
the
traditional
continuum
of
control,
the
discharge
and
use
of
firearms
and
less
lethal
weapons
and
the
deployment
of
the
special
response
team
in
the
SWAT
team.
V
Those
are
five
of
the
dominant
policies
and
procedures
that
we're
measuring
what
we
observe
during
that
period
of
time
against
the
policy
standards,
and
if
there
are
recommendations
where
we
have
found
there
was
a
maybe
not
the
best
approach
or
whatever
that
recommendation
may
be.
The
chief
would
have
to
respond
to
that
recommendation
within
30
days
of
receipt
and
that's
all
public
information.
N
E
I
just
want
to
say
you
know:
I
counsel,
women,
Strassburger,
I,
think
you're
right
on
I
think
we
have
to
focus
on
the
bigger
issues
here
and
I.
Think
if
we're
all
being
honest
with
each
other,
you
know
if
it
weren't
for
I'll
call
it
a
mishap
in
East,
Liberty
I,
don't
think
we
would
be
even
talking
about
this
funding.
We're
talking
about
hiring
a
company
to
look
into
this.
E
You
got
to
expect
a
little
something
when,
when
you
get
that
many
people
together
and
in
that
tense
situation,
you
believe
that
you
know
innocent
protesters
were
fired
upon,
whether
it
be
rubber
bullets
or
tear
gas.
I
also
believe
that
recognizers
there
that
were
provoking
the
police,
so
I
think
they
probably
made
their
best
judgment
and
what
they
did
and
I
think
it's
very
easily
handled
between
the
police,
chief
and
the
mayor
and
internally
it's.
This
is
not
an
incident
that
made
national
news.
E
It's
it's
something
that
we
need
to
look
into,
but
to
go
hiring
firms
and
spending
that
kind
of
money
to
come
up
with
an
explanation
that
I
feel
you
know,
really
isn't
going
to
get
us
anywhere.
So
I
would
more
welcome
focusing
on
the
bigger
issues.
As
Councilwoman
Strassburger
said
this
to
me
was
a
minor
mishap.
Nobody
was
injured,
seriously,
injured
and
I
think
we
should
be
grateful
for
the
way
our
police
and
everybody
and
protesters
conducted
themselves
throughout
these
weeks.
V
Councilman
Coquille
may
I
respond.
Yes,
I
certainly
appreciate
your
position
as
City
Council
and
your
concerns
that
you
would
have
as
a
legislator
and
policy
maker
and
responsible
for
the
well-being
of
the
city
in
general.
This
requests,
however,
is
related
to
the
mission
and
the
determination
of
the
independent
citizen,
Police
Review
Board,
to
evaluate
what
happened.
We
did
have
thirty
thirty-two
injuries
to
30
officers.
We
had
at
least
nine
injuries
to
civilian
protesters.
V
V
To
take
public
comment
which
we
do
do
we
are
mandated
and
we
exist
because
of
the
will
of
the
people
that
created
the
amendment
of
the
Home
Rule
Charter.
That
created
this
board
to
do
exactly
this
kind
of
thing.
I'm
not
disagreeing
with
you
that
we
have
to
have
a
further
conversation
and
I.
Think
council,
mr.
Ross
Berger
is
is
very
prudent.
V
We
have
to
get
people
back
on
a
level
playing
field
where
there
is
respect
restored
and
that
people
don't
have
to
fear
the
cops
and
the
cops
don't
have
to
fear
our
people,
but
that
mission.
That
is
why
this
fort
exists.
So,
while
I
respect
and
understand
that
it
it
looks
like
all
the
city
is
doing
this,
our
affiliation
with
the
city
is
an
independent
agency
created
under
the
Charter.
We
are
not
a
community
activist
group.
We
are
not
a
group
of
individuals
with
a
populist
agenda.
V
We
have
a
very
defined
purpose
and
an
obligation
to
be
true
to
that
and
that's
what
we
are
attempting
to
do.
We
need
your
help
and
consistent
with
the
governor's
recent
message
that
if
you
have
a
review
board
support,
it
make
sure
it's
fully
resourced.
If
you
don't
have
a
review
board
create
one
so
we're
hopeful
that
across
the
Commonwealth,
we
will
see
more
development
of
civilian
engagement
in
this
kind
of
a
thing,
but
we've
been
here
for
23
years.
V
Everything
we
have
asked
for
we
have
had
to
we
we've
had
to
fight
for
the
code
is
clear
what
we're
entitled
to.
We
still
have
resistance
to
providing
things
that
we're
already
supposed
to
have
that
the
council
said
we
were
supposed
to
have,
and
in
this
instance
a
major
event
like
this.
A
community
deserves
to
know
it's
being
looked
at
independently
and
the
police
need
that
confidence
that
it's
going
to
be
an
independent
review
that
we're
not
just
out
to
criticize
them
because
we're
not.
V
E
Want
to
tell
you
I
do
feel
you
are
vital
to
our
city.
I,
don't
mean
any
disrespect
towards
a
review
board.
My
point
is,
you
know.
I
would
like
to
see
your
study
when
it's
done
after
we
spend
the
25,000
with
whomever
company
you,
you
have
to
use
and
I'd
like
to
see
the
recommendations
and
I'd
like
to
see.
Are
they
fruitful?
Do
they
mean
anything
to
us?
Was
it
worth
it?
I
guess
is
what
I've
understood?
Okay,
thanks
well
judge.
It
then.
B
Any
further
members
seeing
none
one
I
just
want
to
clarify
the
incidents
actually
did
make
national
news.
Unfortunately,
and
a
City
Council,
miss
Ross,
burgers
point
I,
think
the
dollars
being
spent
are
of
concern.
Twenty
five
thousand
dollars
to
build
community
trust
between
the
both
the
police
and
the
community
is
probably
worth
it
any
any
further
discussion
seeing
none.
We
should.
A
A
B
A
F
Motion
to
a
probe
brief
discussion
and
point
of
order,
I
apologize,
I
think
the
counts.
The
votes
might
have
been
miss
counted
on
the
previous
bill.
Someone
was
muted,
I,
didn't
hear
councilmen
Burgesses
vote
and
in
the
affirmative
on
the
second
bill
there
would
have
been
councilman,
Wilson,
councilman's,
Kraus,
counselman,
O'connor
and
forgive
me
I
think
there
was
a
fourth
vote
myself
yeah
and
counts
him
in
the
vowel.
So
there
were
four
positives
on
the
second
bill
and
I'm.
P
F
K
B
O
G
B
P
B
Those
in
favor
of
waiving
the
rules,
any
opposed
rules
have
been
waived.
Now
we
need
a
motion
to
approve
the
P
cards
in
their
entirety,
so
moved.
Second,
any
discussion
seeing
none
all
those
in
favor
say:
aye
aye
hi
you
pose
p-cards
are
approved
that
takes
us
to
public
safety
services
committee
chaired
by
mr.
O'connor
new
papers
bill
for
23.
C
For
23
resolution
authorizing
the
mayor
and
director
of
the
Department
of
Public
Safety,
to
enter
on
behalf
of
the
city
into
a
five-year
professional
services
agreement
would
cover
your
FSS
LLC
for
a
web-based
secondary
employment
scheduling
system
in
an
amount
not
to
exceed
eight
hundred.
Fifty
three
thousand
nine
hundred
and
twenty-five
dollars.
B
F
F
I
B
G
B
H
Yeah
I
I
have
a
lot
of
questions
about
secondary
employment
and
I
will
I
mean
if
we
could
have
at
least
a
week
to
have
further
discussion
about
this
I
would
appreciate
it
certainly
to
be
able
to
gather
more
information
and
have
a
longer
discussion
about
what
you
know
how?
Second
they
were.
Employment
is
handled
more
broadly
in
this
say
or
please,
since
Republic's
AG,
the
public
has
a
lot
of
questions.
I
certainly
have
a
lot
of
questions,
and
it's
it's
been
a
long
council
meeting
today.
H
H
K
You
mr.
chair,
I,
concur
and
I
think
the
other
council
members
for
bringing
this
up
I
have
also,
in
the
last
six
years,
going
to
sat
through
some
of
the
discussions.
I.
Remember
there
being
pros
and
cons
to
the
around
the
notion
of
secondary
employment.
I
know:
councilman
Krause
has
a
lot
of
experience
here,
so
I
look
forward
to
having
a
deeper
understanding,
and
so
we
can
have
a
better
discussion
with
the
public
and,
as
you
point
out
just
for
clarification,
this
is
the
end.
This
is
an
annual
like
a
one-year
contract.
K
So
that's
a
million
dollars
nearly
a
million
dollars
for
one-year
contract
and
it
it's
it's
our
job.
To
kind
of
like
make
sure
we
have
these
discussions
for
the
public
to
hear,
and
sometimes
things
that
were
the
right
tool
or
the
right
expenditure,
and-
and
you
know
ten
years
ago
or
in
a
certain
moment-
are
less
relevant
or
needs
change,
so
I
would
I
would
benefit
a
better
understanding,
Thank
You
Councilwoman.
K
$5
a
year
yeah
all
right,
that's
that's
a
much
different
number
very
helpful.
So
thank
you.
I
didn't
even
catch
that
part
and
I
appreciate
the
qualification
I.
Don't
think
we
have
a
motion
to
hold
on
the
table.
Do
we
have
a
motion
I'm
happy
to
make
the
motion
to
hold
one
week?
If
no
one
else
has
we.
J
I
just
had
a
question
about
maybe
the
the
chair
of
the
committee
getting
to
this
question,
but
I
was
wondering
or
we
had
so
I.
Let
me
just
say:
I
am
adjusted
to
hear
the
history
of
this
as
far
as
I
understand
this
is
this
in
this
process
was
put
in
place
because
of
prior
problems
with
the
past
chief
I
could
be
in
what
and
what
you
know
transpired
from
that
I
could
be
wrong.
J
That's
why
I
like
some
more
clarification
as
well,
so
in
a
way
this
does
protect
just
our
our
city,
the
health
of
our
city
and
health
of
our
public
safety
department,
but
it
would
be
good
to
understand
more.
Is
there
any
necessary
I
know
this
meeting
is
long,
but
is
there
any
reason
we
should
call
the
Public
Safety
Director
to
the
table
chair
or
like?
Is
this
I.
P
Mean
to
be
honest,
we
do
this
often
and
it's
not
just
police,
it's
also
EMS
and
other
detail.
So
if
the
council
requests
a
hold
and
an
executive
session,
I
would
just
wait
till
that
point.
So
then
we
make
sure
the
chief
and
Public
Safety
Director
are
on
the
call
at
the
same
time.
That
would
be
my
suggestion.
If
council
wants
to
go
with
the
hold
okay.
P
B
F
F
P
Sorry
I
just
I
just
got
word.
This
is
so
hard
to
do
via
zoom,
but
the
contract
expires
I'm,
seeing
on
the
30th.
I
just
got
this
text,
but
obviously
we
made
a
motion
to
hold
so
I'll
have
to
talk
to
the
Public
Safety
Director
and
if
we
have
to
do
something
at
Tuesday's
meeting,
we'll
have
to
do
something
Tuesday's
meeting,
but
it
looks
like
the
contract
expires
on
the
30th.
B
B
F
C
E
Should
to
approve
a
brief
discussion?
Second,
so
I
was
on
this
and
you
know
it
seems
pretty
cut
and
clear,
but
I
know
this
is
Councilwoman.
Grosses
district
and
I
know
how
valuable
every
inch
of
property
is
there.
So
I
wanted
to
see
if
she's,
okay
with
this
make
sure
you
know
they
don't
comment.
I
defer
to
constable
my
gross
Thank.
K
They
need
those
streets
to
get
to
where
the
guns
they're
trying
to
get
their
own
foot
this
one
though
we've
done
our
homework
on
it.
You
know
we
circled
back
with
the
community
organizations
we
reviewed,
although
the
input
on
it,
we
have
a
recommendation
from
the
director
of
ability
and
infrastructure,
Thank
You
councilman,
for
getting
that
kind
of
background.
From
her
directly
to
me
and
also
you
know,
the
community
organizations
had
citizen
meetings
about
this
project
and
the
community
was
okay
with
it
and
so
I'll
just
describe
to
you
that
this
part
of
the
alley.
K
Well,
it's
actually,
you
know,
there's
very
long
stretches
of
alley
and
Street
near
here.
This
is
like
just
the
endpoint
of
one
of
them
and
it's
already
broken
off
from
further
streets.
Downhill
you'll,
see
me
in
the
future
and
I
hope.
I'll
have
your
support
in
other
places
in
Lawrenceville,
especially,
but
also
the
Strip
District
near
the
river's
edge,
where
we're
trying
to
get
back
right-of-way
that
was
lost
like
in
the
you
know,
early
1900s,
and
so
now
that
living
arrangements
have
changed.
K
K
K
Motion
to
approve
discussion-
second,
thank
you.
I'm
actually,
gonna
hold
this
one
and
I
know
I
keep
saying
this
each
week,
but
my
my
staff
helping
me
do
homework
and
I
want
to
say
thank
you
to
them
as
well.
This
parcel
doesn't
even
have
zoning
approvals,
so
this
building
might
not
even
be
able
to
be
built
on
this
piece
of
property.
So
I'm
gonna
go
ahead.
Emotion
about
four
weeks
on
this
one
and
I
just
want
to.
K
Thank
you,
two
counsel
that
I
know
we
have
all
these
rolling
sewer
modules
that
keep
getting
held,
but
we're
doing
our
homework
on
our
end,
to
make
sure
that
all
the
other
permits
are
in
place
on,
so
that
we're
not
giving
them
prematurely
or
without
community
input
for
sure
so
motion
to
hold
for
weeks.
Thank.
O
K
H
You
yeah
I'm
supportive
of
this
and
then
the
next
bill
as
well.
Carnegie
Mellon
has
been
working
through
a
significant
public
process
and
while
on
this
particular
bill
at
this
particular
location,
there
were
some
concerns
from
nearby
town
home
owners.
There
were
changes
made
I,
you
know,
I,
don't
think
that
Edie
nearby
neighbors
got
everything
I
wanted,
but
there
is,
there
have
been
some
compromises
and
some
work
toward
I
think
a
lot
of
solutions
and
abatements
to
the
problems
and
concerns
that
the
neighbors
had
so
I'm
comfortable
moving
this
forward.
Thank.
T
O
K
K
B
C
C
B
We
do
have
a
number
of
meeting
announcements.
Council
has
scheduled
a
cablecast
public
hearing
for
next
Wednesday
July
1st
at
5:00
p.m.
be
a
zoom
on
bills,
200
and
201,
as
they
relate
to
creating
a
Pittsburgh
Commission
on
racial
equity
and
adopting
the
10
commitments
on
racial
equity
to
register.
To
speak
at
the
briefing
please
call
the
clerk's
office
at
4,
1
2,
2,
5,
5,
2,
1,
3
8
by
3:30
on
July
1st.
B
You
may
also
submit
written
comments
via
email
city
clerk's
office
at
Pittsburgh,
PA
gov,
to
register
for
coming
at
councils,
regular
standing
committees,
meetings
on
Tuesdays
and
Wednesdays.
Please
call
the
clerk's
office
at
by
9
a.m.
the
morning
of
those
meetings.
Comments
may
also
be
submitted
by
email.