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From YouTube: Pittsburgh City Council Budget Hearings - 12/1/22
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Department of Public Safety - Bureau of Administration
Office of Community Services & Violence Prevention
Stop The Violence Trust Fund
Bureau of Police
Bureau of Fire
Bureau of Emergency Medical Services
Bureau of Animal Care & Control
A
B
A
Oh
Bobby
Wilson,
it's
been
a
while
and
it
feels
good
to
be
back
in
it
I
like
being
in
this
chair
a
lot,
but
anyway
thank
you.
We
are
going
to
begin
with
the
Department
of
Public
Safety,
the
bureau
of
administration.
We
are
joined
by
director,
Schmidt
and
his
invited
guest,
but
first
we
are
going
to
start
with
our
budget
director
reading
a
brief
synopsis
of
what
is
suggested
in
the
budget
for
the
Department
of
Public
Safety
Administration.
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
The
mission
for
the
Department
of
Public
Safety
is
to
provide
for
the
security
and
safety
of
all
residents
and
patrons
of
the
city
of
Pittsburgh
through
the
oversight
and
execution
of
the
public
safety
operational
strategies
through
the
planned
and
coordinated
efforts
of
the
bureaus
of
police,
fire,
Emergency,
Medical,
Services
and
animal
care
and
control.
The
mission
includes
the
creation
of
and
command
of
a
command
team
with
representatives
from
each
Bureau,
acting
in
conjunction
with
the
office
of
emergency
management.
B
They
strive
to
improve
community
and
first
responder
safety
through
integrated
response,
training
technology,
Fleet
upgrades
and
increased
Community
visibility,
as
well
as
enhancing
and
enforcing
team
collaboration
across
all
public
safety
bureaus.
They
attempt
to
further
their
mission
through
the
streamlining
of
administrative
positions,
to
provide
cross-training
support
and
improve
oversight
on
resources,
spending
and
hiring
practices.
B
Overall,
a
550
thousand
dollars
increase
in
non-personnel
expenses,
339
245
dollars,
an
increase
in
professional
and
Technical
Services,
mainly
due
to
increases
in
protective
and
Investigative
Services
and
215
000
increase
in
property
due
to
increase
in
vehicles,
some
capital
budget
numbers
for
the
administration.
There's
five
million
887
122
dollars
in
Pago
for
the
fire
Bureau
coming
for
the
breathing
air
compressors
chemical
Personnel
protection
equipment,
gear,
extractors,
scbas,
Supply,
hoses
and
thermal
imaging
system
and
EMS
has
mannequin
training
simulators.
B
Fire
and
EMS
are
sharing
high
pressure,
rescue
airbag
replacement
and
the
Administration
has
interoperable
Communications
and
Radio
Systems,
and
there
is
about
14
and
a
half
million
dollars
in
arpa
and
grant
funding
for
the
fire,
Bureau
scbas
and
the
interoperative
verbal
Communications
and
Radio
Systems.
And
that's
what
I
have
for
the
bureau
of
administration.
A
Thanks
Peter
appreciate
it.
Thank
you
very
much
good
morning,
director
welcome
nice
to
have
you
here,
Charles
good
morning,
nice
to
have
you
here,
I'm
sure
you
have
a
brief
presentation
for
the
members
and
then
we'll
open
it
up
to
some
questions,
of
which
I'm
sure
we're
going
to
have
a
whole
bunch
of.
C
The
side
that
we
are
keeping
is
the
event
permitting
and
coordination
aspect
just
because
that
is
typically
a
very
Public
Safety
heavy
coordination
effort
that
needs
to
be
made
with
event,
organizer
closing
streets,
making
sure
everybody's,
safe
and
secure.
So
that's
a
the
big
change
with
the
administration
public
safety
administration
this
year.
Some
of
the
other
small
changes
is
the
senior
administrative
specialists,
that's
just
due
to
folks
being
here
for
a
little
longer
and
supporting
them,
because
they've
been
loyal
to
the
city.
C
C
The
addition
of
an
executive
assistant
is
to
return
a
position
that
was
vacant
and
has
been
asked
for
for
a
while
and
as
well
as
the
film
and
event
manager
and
film
and
event
permit
coordinated.
Those
are
actually
positions
that
exist
just
being
retitled
from
the
special
events
office
into
the
new
permitting
for
the
special
events.
We're
calling
that
the
film
and
event
management
office.
C
A
A
Okay,
all
right
sounds
good,
so
I'm
going
to
begin
with
council
president
Kel
Smith
and
then
we'll
go
to
councilman
Wilson,
no
I'm,
just
I'm
just
having
fun
with
him
and
and
then,
of
course,
other
members
I'm
sure
will
join
us
as
time
goes
on.
But
this
is
this
is
one
of
the
more
not
that
they're,
not
all
important,
but
this
one
is,
you
know
one
of
the
really
important
meanings
where.
D
A
E
You
thank
you
director.
First
I
want
to
thank
you
for
taking
the
position.
I
know
that
it's
a
extremely
challenging
job,
especially
in
the
environment,
we're
in
now
and
you've
been
so
great
to
work
with
us.
I
want
to
thank
you
for
that,
and
no
thank
you
and
then
I
do
have
some
questions.
I
want
to
first
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
numbers
of
policing.
E
Obviously
that's
that's
I
think
that's
going
to
be
an
issue
and
concern
that
many
of
us
have
because
we're
hearing
the
increase
in
violence
in
the
city
of
Pittsburgh
shootings
and
we're
seeing
you
know
also
experiencing
a
decline
in
the
number
of
police
officers.
So
I
obviously
want
to
know
what
the
plan
is
I.
You
know
we
hear
about
this
class
coming
on
I've
heard
that
there
were
only
a
few
people
that
applied
where
Pat
went
through
this
through
the
process
that
made
it
through
to
be
cut
to
go
to
the
academy.
C
So
we
have
I
mean
we'll
probably
talk
a
little
more
this
afternoon
when
the
police
have
their
budget
hearing
as
well,
but
we
do
have
at
least
two
classes
playing.
The
first
class
is
going
to
be
a
certified
class.
Unfortunately,
by
the
time
people
made
it
through
that
process.
You
know
we
have
an
extensive
background
track
to
make
sure
they're
the
right
people
for
the
city
as
well.
We
don't
just
want
just
anyone.
C
You
know,
policing
here
is
different
than
it
might
be
in
the
suburbs,
so
we
don't
want
to
always
just
accept
people.
We
don't
want
bodies,
we
want
the
right
people,
so
that
class
is
going
to
be
smaller
than
we
had
originally
anticipated.
The
next
class
that
will
be
starting
mid-year
will
be
a
basic
class.
That
class
does
have
a
large
amount
of
applicants.
There's
over
200
people
on
that
list.
We're
very
confident
we'll
have
a
full
class
from
that
list.
C
C
Obviously,
with
the
hiring
fees
for
almost
two
years
or
over
two
years
that
wasn't
didn't,
allow
the
bureau
to
maintain
their
Staffing
levels
like
they
did
because
of
attrition
people,
resigning
and
retiring.
So
we
need
to
bring
that
back
again.
It's
going
to
take
a
little
time.
Policing
has
changed
significantly
in
the
past
two
or
three
years,
or
at
least
overall,
and
how
we
look
at
that
is.
C
As
you
all
are
probably
aware,
we
did
eliminate
the
need
to
have
60
credits
upon
entry
as
we
research
that
and
talk
to
HR.
We
found
out
that
anyone
who
was
already
act-
one
he's
120
certified,
so
they
went
through
an
academy
somewhere
automatically
had
45
credits
waived
anyhow.
No,
so
that
left
15
credits
that
they
had
to
earn.
We
felt
that's
not
an
unsurmountable
task,
so
our
thought
was.
If
they
go,
if
we
hire
them,
essentially
our
Academy
will
get
them
the
same
level
so
and
then
from
there.
C
F
E
E
My
concern
is
that
we
need
to
have
somebody
a
compliance
officer
with
actually
with
all
of
our
grants,
but
I
specifically
when
we're
giving
money
to
community
groups
that
we're
not
overseeing
directly,
we
have
no
direct
control
over
them.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
the
money,
I
told
councilman
reverse
the
same
thing
about
the
food
grants,
I
said
or
the
food
policy
groups.
E
I
said
you
know:
I
know
that
there's
groups
that
did
a
lot
for
the
city
and
there
are
a
lot
of
groups
that
do
a
lot
to
help
prevent
the
violence,
but
there's
a
lot
of
groups
claiming
to
do
those
things
and
already
in
in
the
process
of
doing
things
that
I
haven't
seen
a
lot
of
results
from.
Actually,
if
anything,
our
crime
is
increasing.
E
So
you
know
I'm
concerned
that
who's
going
to
watch
to
make
sure
that
when
we
give
these
These
funds
to
people
I
know
the
controller
was
here
the
other
day
and
I
talked
to
him
about
it
a
little
bit
and
you
know
any
kind
of
trust
fund.
I
I
can
I'm
concerned
with,
as
a
matter
of
fact,
to
the
point
where
we
have
our
budget
office
working
to
reduce
the
number
of
trust
funds,
because
it's
just
too
much
and
it's
too
much
money
going
out.
E
The
city
council
has
no
direct
control
over
you
know
and
constantly
watching
and
making
sure
that
they
are
in
compliance.
So
with
the
Stop
the
Violence
grants.
Is
there
any
plans
to
make
sure
that
there's
there's
some
kind
of
compliance,
some
kind
of
that
we're
making
sure
that
the
money
is
being
spent.
The
way
that
we
allocated
and
intended
for.
A
C
You
know
we
need
to
support
entities
within
the
community
they're
doing
the
work,
but
we
need
to
make
sure
they
have
the
proper
oversight
and
I
know.
That's
my
staff,
my
assistant
director,
David
Jones.
He
oversees
the
office
of
community
services
and
violence
prevention
and
to
stop
the
violence,
team
and
initiatives.
So
we've
had
many
discussions.
You
know
we
recently
released
the
first
round
of
Grants
with
it
being
a
new
program.
C
E
Art
can
I
say
the
one
tweak
I
would
like
to
know
is
that
the
public
safety
director
is
directly
involved
in
that
and
that
it
comes
back
to
city
council
for
approval.
So
those
are
two
things
I'm
going
to
make
sure
that
we
that
we
have,
because
we
can't
be
expected
to
allocate
funds,
then
not
know
what
happens
with
them.
So
part.
C
Of
that
is
reporting
and
you'll
see
an
rfps
going
out
soon
to
work
with
an
entity
that
will
help
all
these
organizations
to
make
sure
they're
complying
with
the
reports
that
I'm
looking
for
the
council
is
looking
for
and
everyone
else's
to
T
if
they're
Unsure
how
to
do
it
because
they
might
not
have
those
skills,
they'll
support
them.
On
that
effort
to
ensure
that
everyone
understands
you
know,
you
need
to
come
to
monthly
meetings
with
the
public
safety
director
in
the
department.
E
I
think
that
I
just
want
to
say
I
know
that
there's
some
groups
that
are
doing
amazing
work,
and
so
it's
it's
good
to
see
that
they're
finally
being
recognized
in
that
way.
But
there
are
some
groups
that
we
all
know
claim
to
do
some
things
that
we
know
they're
not
really
doing,
and
so
it'd
be
good
to
know
that
that
we're
at
least
allocating
funds
to
the
people
that
are
doing
this
stuff.
E
E
Well,
the
deer,
the
animals
you
know
in
people's
yards
I
mean
there's
it
rodents
and
I
know
that
that
contract
comes
from.
You
know,
Public
Safety,
so
I
really
hope
that
we
look
into
the
contract
a
little
bit
and
make
it
more
something
that
we're
that
actually
helps
the
community
and
the
residents
more
beneficial
to
our
residents.
Because
what
we're
seeing
now
is,
there's
a
lot
of
complaints
and-
and
it's
just
escalating
so,
do
you
see
any
changes
in
either
of
those.
C
E
E
E
E
I
mean
there
is
the
one
one
building
that
opened,
which
is
is
great
but
there's
so
many
more
people
and
I
I.
Think
that
you
know
I
just
want
to
see
more
done
in
that
area,
but
I
also
want
to
know
when
the
social
workers
are
getting
going
to
be
going
along
with
the
police
officers
on
calls,
because
that's
what
they're
actually
hired
to
do
so
I
want
to
know
some
of
those
things.
C
Yeah,
so
we
are
as
you're
aware
we're
moving
the
office
of
community
health
and
safety
is
moving
under
Public
Safety
just
provide
some
support
and
coordination
on
those
fronts.
Just
for
that
reason
you
know
we
work
Public
Safety
works
very
well
as
a
team
between
police,
Fire,
EMS,
animal
care
and
control
EMA
and
we're
bringing
ochs
into
that
fold
so
that
we
can
get
some
good
coordination.
C
C
H
E
J
J
I
J
My
other
favorite
thank
you,
Mr,
chair
and
director,
thanks
for
coming
today
and
appreciate
the
work
that
we've
done
together
band
also
being
there
during
challenging
times.
You've
always
been
very
responsive.
So
I
really
appreciate
that
in
any
director,
that's
very
responsive,
so
the
you
know
this
isn't
a
secret.
You
know
that
people
are
you
know
their
their
fears
are
heightened
because
of
certain
things
they
they
see,
that's
happening
across
the
city.
C
C
Now,
every
morning,
around
homelessness
concerns
and
some
other
you
know
violence
concerns.
We
want
to
ensure
that
they're
doing
the
things
they're
tasked
to
do
because,
as
you
all
know,
Human
Services
is
not
a
function
of
the
city,
but
it
is
a
function
of
the
county.
So
it's
the
city's
from
our
perspective.
It's
the
city's
job
to
coordinate
with
them
and
make
sure
we're
all
moving
forward
together
in
a
cohesive
unit
to
solve
these.
J
J
You
know
during
the
search
and
everything
can
you
assure
us
of
that
that
the
candidates
that
are
being
looked
at
and
and
also
would
be
considered
and
Cho,
and
ultimately,
the
one
that
we've
chosen
you
know
would
would
be
on
board
with
that
coordinate
effort
and
I
believe
you're,
referring
to
like
different
types
of
responses
in
some
way,
you're
talking
about
co-response
alternate
response.
Would
that
you
know?
Can
you
guarantee
us
that
yeah.
C
I
think,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
you
know,
policing
has
changed,
I,
think
a
lot
of
folks
that
are
in
police
chief
positions
throughout
the
country
and
major
cities
understand
a
lot
of
those
changes.
I
think
any
time
we're
looking
for
a
candidate,
we're
going
to
look
for
someone
who
will
work
not
only
with
office
of
community
health
and
safety
and
social
workers,
but
also
with
fire
and
EMS,
and
they
everybody
kind
of
understands.
In
order
for
us
to
all
succeed,
we
all
have
to
work
together.
C
C
J
J
C
C
To
date,
last
I
knew
they
had
over
800
guns,
they've
illegal
weapons,
they've
seized
this
year
alone,
we've
seen
a
significant
increase
in
weapons
over
the
past
three
years,
as
anyone
across
the
country
will
tell
you
that
you
know
the
number
of
weapons
sold
over
the
past
three
years
are
significant.
The
number
of
permits
that
were
given
were
a
lot,
but
we
continue
to
work
towards
getting
the
illegal
guns
off
the
streets
and
out
of
the
hands
of
the
people
that
are
how.
J
Do
we
increase
the?
How
is
that
and
how's
the
effort
increase
that
increased
by
funding,
or
is
it
increased
by
just
making
sure
that
the
the
whether
it's
officers,
detectives
individuals
that
you
know
work
on
those
cases
or
that
are
on
those
on
those
on
that
subject?
Do
they
yeah?
Is
that
a
money
issue,
or
is
that
just
strictly
time
right.
C
We
have
to
dedicate
people
to
that.
We
have
other
things
that
need
to
get
done
as
well,
but
having
the
ATF
agencies
definitely
helped
support
that,
because
then
we
can
utilize
their
resources
as
well,
but
yeah
everything.
You
know
it's
resources,
whether
those
resources
are
Financial
or
Personnel
or
technology.
It's
all
about
coordination,
communication
as
well
as
education,
too,
and
you
know,
make
sure
people
that
do
own
weapons
are
securing
them
appropriately,
not
letting
them
get
stolen
as
easily
and
Reporting
them
when
they're
stolen.
So.
J
K
Thank
you.
Mr
chair
I've,
been
over
here
with
my
piles
of
paper,
transcribing
numbers
I'm,
looking
I'm
taking
everybody's
space
and
looking
at
last
year's
budget
file
from
the
police
hearing
last
year,
or
the
public
safety
hearing
last
year
and
I'm,
trying
to
kind
of
just
get
on
paper
for
each
of
the
departments
in
the
org
chart
kind
of
like
what
is
the
budget,
because
it's
just
a
it's
harder
to
see.
I.
K
A
K
Copy
of
that,
because
I've
got
it
on,
it
still
has
the
kind
of
dot
dot
dot
line
out
to
ochs.
So
it's
not
the
director's
org
chart
that
is
in
the
2020..
Oh
thank
you.
Thank
you.
So
this
one.
Yes,
this
is
the
this
one
is
the
one
that
is
this
year's
just
remember,
so
the
one
that
your
packet
is
not
so
it
clearly
has
Animal
Control
under
here.
K
K
I'll
try
to
to
go
through
it
here,
so
what
I
was
scribbling
on
last
year
or
the
the
one
that's
in
our
packet
is
kind
of
a
the
Top
Line
budget
numbers,
and-
and
forgive
me
if
you
went
over
this
while
I
was
kind
of
like
I-
was
listening
on
to
the
TV
in
my
office,
but
kind
of
like
as
we're
walking
down
the
hall
to
come
in.
I
might
have
missed
it,
but
so
the
top
line
numbers
I'm
pulling
out
of
the
proposed
budget
are
the
kind
of
like
Office
of
Public
Safety.
K
K
Bureau
of
fire
at
94.6
million
Bureau
of
police
at
118.5
million,
am
I
reading
from
the
right
budget
pages,
and
then
I've
got
animal
Bureau
of
animal
care
and
control
at
2
million.
So
each
of
them
are
are
down
like
a
little
bit
from
the
September
budget
and
again
those
are
the
lines
at
the
bottom
of
each
section.
So
the
right
like
two
pages
on
the
police
operating
budget,
but
then,
when
you
scroll
down
to
the
bottom
line,
that's
the
number
there.
K
So
118.5
is
what
I'm
reading
there
and
again
just
for
the
public.
This
is
these
are
the
numbers?
Oh
there's.
These
are
the
numbers
that
are
paying
for
payroll,
paying
for
like
current
health
benefits
and
kind
of
keeping
on
the
lights
at
the
Departments,
but
they're,
not
the
they're,
not
the
vehicles,
they're,
not
the
facilities
costs
they're,
not
the
pension
contributions.
Those
are
all
on
other
parts
of
the
budget
and
I
don't
kind
of
have
those
in
front
of
me.
K
So
those
are
all
operating
budget
costs
they're
just
not
on
the
pages
of
the
budget
under
the
Departments
and
that's
true
across
all
the
Departments
right.
But
if
you
look
elsewhere,
there
are
costs
that
could
be
added
to
that
bottom
line.
So
to
my
location,
right
pages
of
the
budget
since
you're
here
and
you've
got
your
current
budget
and
print
and
I'm.
Looking
on
my
phone,
do
those
sound
like
I
got
them
in
the
ballpark?
I
was
kind
of
stalling
a
little
bit,
so
you
found
the
right
page,
I.
J
K
K
So,
on
that's
great
so
while
I
was
scrolling
under
part,
Department
of
Public
Safety
in
the
budget,
I
didn't
see
all
of
the
other
offices
that
are
under
you
right
and
so
those
were
the
big
ones,
but
then
so,
like
I,
don't
see
Park,
Rangers
and
so
where
they,
where
they
housed
I,
don't
see
the
special
events
office,
which
I'm
assuming
is
office.
Fulfillment
event
management
is
a
different.
It's
a
different
email.
K
K
C
K
K
K
C
K
But
they're
all
kind
of
housed
in
the
same
budget,
so
I
think
I
have
some
of
the
same
kind
of
interests
as
councilwoman
Smith
in
kind
of
I
I,
don't
think
it's
been
explained
to
us
or
to
the
public
kind
of
what
are
the
reporting
mechanisms
for
outcomes
we
talked
about
it
almost
a
year
ago.
It
was
earlier
much
earlier
this
year.
I
think
about,
like
you
know,
is
there
an
app?
What
are
the
measures?
What
are
the
metrics?
K
C
So,
as
you
are
aware,
the
office
of
community
health
and
safety
previously
was
its
own
office
that
did
not
report
to
they
reported
to
the
mayor's
office.
They
reported
to
the
director
of
Public
Safety,
just
sort
of
for
financial
reasons,
because
the
stump
the
violence
trust
fund
falls
under
the
Department
of
Public
Safety,
the
office
of
community
services.
Violence
prevention
has
existed
in
it
in
this
organization
and
or
in
that
same
org
chart
for
a
number
of
years.
C
F
C
I
work
very
closely
with
more
every
day,
so
we
coordinate
together
on
initiatives
just
like
we
do
with
the
Bureau
of
police
and
EMS
working
together
and
fire.
You
know
all
of
those
different
bureaus
have
Chiefs,
just
like
all
the
offices,
not
all
the
offices,
but
the
office
of
community
health
and
safety
specifically
has
a
manager
that
reports
directly
to
me.
C
So
then
there's
staff
under
them
reports
to
them
so
they're,
it's
not
too
too
much
to
coordinate,
is
just
a
matter
of
getting
everybody
in
meetings
together
and
making
sure
we're
all
moving
in
the
same
direction
so
that
that
was
a
big
reason
for
moving
the
office
of
community
health
and
safety
under
Public
Safety.
So
it's
a
very
clear
reporting
structure
that
comes
up
through
Public
Safety
versus
kind
of
on
an
island
of
their
own.
Sometimes
it.
K
Just
occurs
to
me
that
it's
a
little
curious
for
the
assistant
director
of
Community
Affairs
to
have
Park
Rangers,
nighttime,
Hospitality
or
responsible
hospitality,
which
maybe
has
something
to
do
with
each
other,
but
maybe
not
right
and
then
also
the
office
of
community
service
and
violence.
Prevention,
which
are
the
street
workers
that
were
mostly
students.
C
C
No
I
think
the
assistant
director
of
Community
Affairs
has
been
in
a
position.
You
know
that's
a
position
that
has
existed
for
a
while.
Their
main
focus
are
the
folks
that
do
the
community
work
for
the
department,
so
park
rangers
at
one
point
were
under
Parks
and
Recreation
a
number
of
years
ago.
They
got
moved
under
Public
Safety,
responsible
hospitality
is
our
nighttime
economy
again
they're
the
folks
that
work
with
the
community
to
do
trainings
and
other
programs.
C
As
far
as
the
assistant
director
of
operations
and
policy,
that
is
more
of
a
long-term
strategy
to
improve
leadership,
training
development
of
employees
so
ensuring
the
people
on
in
all
the
bureaus
and
in
the
entire
department
have
the
tools
to
succeed
in
their
position.
So
when
someone
is
a
police
officer
that
then
gets
promoted
to
a
sergeant,
we
want
to
make
sure
they
have
the
right
leadership,
trainings
and
the
right
information
same
with
a
paramedic
that
moves
up
to
a
crew
chief
or
to
a
district
Chief.
C
We
want
to
ensure
that
they
have
the
tools
and
knowledge
that
they
need
to
make
them
succeed
in
a
job
because,
as
you
know,
moving
from
you
know
a
position
of
a
field
provider
up
to
a
supervisor
position.
There's
a
lot
of
things
that
change.
When
that
happens,
so
those
positions
again
are
to
coordinate
with
all
the
bureaus
to
ensure
those
efforts
happen.
There
still
may
be
some
changes.
K
K
So
it's
not
your
fault
really
that
we
put
these
things
there.
It's
because
it's
our
decision.
You
know
this
is
It's
the
authority
of
council
to
put
these
things
there.
So
I
think
that's
just
a
I
think
it's!
This
is
the
appropriate
moment
to
ask
ourselves:
reflectively
gosh:
do
these
things
fit
together
or
do
they
fit
somewhere
else?
K
We
had
a
very
similar
discussion
with
the
mayor's
office
the
other
day
and
it
looks
like
we've
assumed
that
if
the
police
have
a
role
or
need
to
be
communicated
with
or
any
of,
the
city
departments
need
to
be
communicated
with,
then
we
have
put
that
and
those
payrolls
and
the
oversight
within
the
public
safety
organizational
chart
and
now
I'm,
just
looking
at
it
and
I
think
it
looks
a
little
odd
frankly.
So
I
don't
know
it's
just
a
it's
just
a
reflection.
K
L
L
L
C
L
C
N
C
Unfortunately,
we're
in
a
situation
like
you
know,
we
can't
just
create
officers
out
of
nowhere.
We
have
to
make
sure
they're
well
trained
and
appropriate
for
our
city,
so
we're
going
to
have
to
be
come
up
with
some
solutions.
Some
stop
gaps
to
make
sure
we're
providing
the
services
we
need
to
provide,
as
I
said
earlier,
there's
a
lot
of
need
to
look
into
civilianization
of
certain
positions
as
well
as
what
we
need
to
do
to
ensure
we're
maintaining
a
good
roster
of
recruits
in
a
good,
consistent
flow
of
new
folks.
C
L
L
L
L
40
to
start
so
we
might
get
30
out
of
a
new
recruitment
class,
but
we're
losing
70
per
year.
So
even
if
our
recruitment
classes
aren't
keeping
up
with
the
pace
that
we're
losing
officers
and
I'm,
assuming
that
we're
going
to
lose
more,
we
lost
70
this
year
with
a
whole
new
crop.
Coming
up
for
retirement,
come
January
and
other
police
departments
around
the
area
are
all
short
too.
L
C
Yeah
I
mean
we
do
have
officers
that
leave.
We
also
have
officers
that
come
back.
I,
know
I
I
when
I've
talked
officers,
there's
good
and
bad
to
any
job.
The
one
thing
I
think
the
city
provides
that
the
Suburban
departments,
don't
is
the
ability
to
and
learn
a
lot
more
and
engage
and
also
have
a
lot
of
different
paths
to
choose
from
where
other
than
the
county
we're
the
only
ones
that
have
SWAT
other
than
the
county,
we're
the
only
ones
that
have
a
bomb
squad.
C
L
I
think
one
of
the
things
with
the
Pittsburgh
Police
Department
that
we
do
have
is
ability
to
be
promoted.
You
know
you
can
go
to
a
sergeant
to
a
captain,
to
you
know
the
police
chief,
possibly
so
that's
an
attraction.
The
pay
scale
is
not.
We
know
that
the
benefits
I
hope
match
up
with
other
municipalities,
where
I
hope
our
benefits
are
better
I,
don't
know.
Personally,
do
you
know
in
general,
if
our
benefits
match
the
Suburban
one.
L
G
L
Less
so
we'll
be
lucky
to
gain
30
new
police
recruits
within
a
year
and
a
half,
but
chances
are
we're
going
to
lose
a
hundred.
So
that's
minus
70.
we're
going
to
be
down.
That's
with
the
new
recruitment
class,
providing
that
goes
well
and
on
time
and
we
get
them
out
in
the
street,
so
I
mean
at
that
pace.
We're
just
going
to
be
in
a
lot
of
trouble,
I
believe
you're,
gonna,
I,
don't
know
how
we're
gonna
do
it.
L
L
Now
you're
we're
looking
to
hopefully
subsidize
what
the
police
officers
do
say.
For
instance,
they
get
a
call
for
somebody
under
a
bridge
with
mental
illness.
We
send
police
officers
now
because
somebody
calls
we
have
to
respond.
We're
hoping
that
the
department
of
health
and
safety
can
hopefully
take
alleviate
some
of
that
right.
Once
we
get.
C
C
L
C
L
C
C
L
The
position
yeah
from
inside
and
from
outside
that
was
a
wise
decision
to
remove
those
and
then
just
to
have
them
gain
their
credits
when
they're
on.
So
my
my
point
is
this
I
guess
at
the
clip
that
we're
going
in
10
years
from
now
we'll
be
we'll
have
100
police
officers?
Okay,
so
I,
don't
know
how
and
what
we're
going
to
change.
But
I
do
plan
to
have
a
post
agenda
on
this
in
early
January
and
I
hope
we
can,
you
know,
sit
with
you.
L
Councilwoman
kill,
Smith
and
I
have
been
talking
on
a
regular
basis
about
this,
but
I
just
want
the
public
to
know
what
pace
we're
on
and
what
we're
going
to
do
to
to
solve
it.
The
new
recruitment
class
that
sounds
great
but,
as
you
can
see,
we're
losing
twice
as
many
as
we're
putting
on
and
it
takes
a
year
to
put
them
on
the
streets.
So,
and
these
are
inexperienced
officers
as
well
and
I.
I
worry
about
losing
our
experienced
officers
to
the
county
to
suburbs,
and
that
happens
on
a
regular
basis.
L
I
get
every
recruit
or
every
police
officer.
We
have
I
get
notices
to
here's
another
one
and
we're
at
70
now,
I
think
and
that
I
think
by
the
end
of
the
year,
we're
going
to
lose
at
least
three
or
four
more.
That's
just
in
a
month
time,
so
yeah,
I,
I
I,
want
to
we'll
sit
together
and
we'll
try
to
figure
out.
I
just
want
the
public
to
know
you
know
at
this
clip.
L
You
know
in
five
years
it's
we're
not
going
to
have
a
police
department,
basically
and
in
10
years
we're
not
going
to
have
a
police
department.
It's
going
to
be
so
low.
If
these
numbers
can
continue
to
the
same,
whether
we
have
to
pay
them
more,
whether
we
have
to
put
on
two
recruitment
classes,
I
just
have
real
concerns
about
the
entire
population
of
our
Police
Department.
So
we'll
sit
with
you
and
we'll
talk
about
it,
and
hopefully
we
can
come
up
with
some
solutions
to
make
the
public
feel
more
at
ease
for
the
future.
L
A
A
The
the
the
focus
as
I
recall,
was
always
to
place
a
priority
on
I,
don't
want
to
just
say:
Public
Safety,
it's
a
too
bright
a
term,
but
to
understand
our
our
Police
Department,
make
certain
that
we
had
adequate
Staffing
within
that
department
and
how
best
to
accomplish
that
and-
and
it
became
a
bad
thing
to
do
that.
You
know
this.
Whole
idea
of
defund,
police
and
police
are
bad,
and
you
can't
do
that.
Mentality
permeated
the
the
culture
three
years
or
so
ago,
and
it
affected.
D
A
We
had
adequate
Staffing
that
they
were
properly
trained,
that
they
had
the
resources
and
equipment
that
they
needed.
We
LED
This
Nation
on
a
number
of
initiatives.
The
cameras
were
in
our
fourth
third
or
fourth
generation
of
cameras
now
for
our
Police
Department,
that
that
was
unheard
of
at
the
time
that
we
were
supplying,
that
kind
of
equipment
to
our
department,
the
tough
books,
the
computers
in
the
cars,
the
God,
there's
so
many
different
kinds
of
equipment,
so
that
we
that
we
had
passed.
I
I
I
D
A
B
A
I
A
Do
we
recruit
people
into
those
positions
that,
unfortunately,
not
largely
but
too
often
are
viewed
in
such
negative
light
right?
It's
why
I've
been
such
a
curmudgeon
around
the
the
training
facility?
It's
it's
not
the
brick
and
mortar
and
and
what
we
can
make
it
through
the
brick
and
mortar.
We
can
figure
that
out.
A
It's
the
obligation
that
we
have
to
ensure
that
our
department
is
an
attractive
Department
that
people
want
to
want,
not
that
we
have
to
go
out
and
beg
people
to
do
it,
but
the
people
come
here
because
they
want
to
be
part
of
our
department
and
that
they
have
pride
and
integrity
in
it
and
and
and
know
that
they'll
be
well
cared
for.
They'll
be
well
trained,
they'll
be
well
equipped,
they'll
be
safe,
while
they're
out
there
doing
the
jobs
that
we
ask
them
to
do.
A
That's
what
our
primary
goal
is
here.
That's
what
we
come
here
to
do
and
he
told
stories
about
the
lamplighters
and
the
first
police
officers
were
lamplighters.
They
were
the
the
men
that
went
out
at
night
and
let
the
gas
lamps
in
the
streets
to
light
the
streets
to
to
create
the
the
air
of
safety,
and
that's
how
you
know
the
departments
were
formed,
and
so
it's
it's
a
a.
It
is
a
a
huge
responsibility
that
we
carry
here
to
make
certain
that
that
our
department,
as
I
said,
is
healthy
and
functional.
A
Has
the
equipment
that
it
needs
has
the
the
numbers
that
it
needs?
Has
the
training,
especially
the
training,
to
to
send
women,
women
and
men
out
there
to
do
these
incredibly
difficult
jobs
and
not
train
them
to
be
I
mean
I.
I
can't
tell
you
the
number
of
times
I've
spoken
with
an
officer
on
East
Carson
Street,
that
is
like
I.
Don't
have
a
clue
what
I'm
doing
here
and
have
a
clue
this
place
is
pandemonium.
It's
utter
chaos
and
I
truly,
don't
know
what
I
should
be
doing
here.
What
do
you
mean?
A
What
we
have
not
trained
you
to
understand
the
complexities
of
being
in
a
nightlife
District
how
to
de-escalate
as
opposed
to
escalate,
how
to
understand
the
the
complexities
of
the
community
who's
out
there?
Why
they're
there,
the
drugs
that
are
involved
that
are
not
all
those
kinds
of
things
so
that
you
can
be
out
there
and
do
the
job
that
you
need
to
do?
But
these
are
the
kinds
of
questions
that
we
need
to
be
asking
ourselves
and.
A
A
So
now
that
I'm
done
with
that
I
have
some
questions.
I
would
like
to
ask
if
I
may
I
was
really
fascinated
by
you
bringing
out
the
new
organizational
chart
and
and
sort
of
drawing
some
attention
to
it.
So
I
I
too,
would
kind
of
director
like
to
kind
of
ask
you
some
questions
about
the
breakdown,
so
the
responsible,
Hospitality
of
which
you
know
is
going
to
be
in
especially,
you
know
an
important
one
for
me.
A
Know
be
difficult
that
way,
but
when
we,
when
we
understand,
if
nothing
brought
to
light
the
the
importance
of
food
beverage,
socializing
and
entertainment
business
and
what
it
brings
to
us
in
terms
of
community
and
revenue
and
desire
to
locate
in
a
city,
if
we
haven't
learned
that
through
Global
pandemic,
we
will
never
learn
it
because
nobody
took
a
bigger
hit
than
that
industry.
Right,
socializing
businesses,
you
know
movie
theaters,
arts
and
culture,
food
and
beverage
decimated,
but
yet
in
the
in
the
you
know
and
I
would
argue
and
I
wish.
A
Alison
were
here,
because
I
think
she
would
know
this
I'd
love
to
know
how
many
tens
of
millions
of
dollars
of
tax
revenue
are
generated,
not
just
from
the
industry
itself,
but
all
of
the
supplemental
industries
that
support
that
industry.
I
went
out
and
bought
a
pair
of
shoes
for
tonight.
I
had
my
hair
done.
A
You
know
it
was,
was
responsible
for
bringing
responsible
Hospitality
to
the
city
of
Pittsburgh
and
I,
just
so
I
I,
just
I've,
never
really
been
convinced
of
it
that
it
should
exist
in
the
Department
of
Public
Safety.
Although
I
have
been
grateful
that
it
has
been
there
the
years
it's
been
here,
because
it
has
found
a
home
and
support
system
and
it's
found
a
home
in
a
support
system
and
I'm
very
grateful
for
that.
A
A
Arts
and
culture
economy,
the
things
that
you
know
that
make
people
want
to
live
in
a
city,
I've
always
believed,
that's
where
it
should
be,
but
I
am
I'll
repeat
it
again,
very
grateful
that
it
has
found
a
home
in
public
safety,
because
you
director,
his
rich
and
both
administrations
have
been
very
kind
and
very
helpful
and
supportive
of
it
and
I'm
truly
grateful
for
it.
I'd
like
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
equipment.
A
C
A
C
The
match
and
then
the
additional,
because
the
grants
so
we're
capped
on
a
grant.
We
can
only
get
two
million
dollars
total
as
a
municipality
from
that
Grant.
That's
not
enough
to
replace
all
of
our
SCBA
for
police
for
fire
and
EMS,
sorry,
not
police,
but
fire
and
EMS.
So
this
is
the
ask
for
the
additional
yeah
scbas
Ed
for
fire
and
EMS
there's
also
some
mannequins
for
EMS.
C
A
C
Yeah,
so
it's
a
new
system,
a
new
technolo,
newer
technology,
so
radios
are
just
like
cell
phones
or
any
other
technology
they're
constantly
evolving.
The
county
is
switching
to
a
newer
system
that
provides
more
reliable
radios
and
a
radio
system
that
will
go
a
little,
we'll
have
less
areas
that
we
have
poor
coverage.
That
sort
of
thing,
so
this
is
for
us
to
replace
our
current
radios,
which
are
all
about
10
years
old.
Some
are
a
little
older.
Some
are
a
little
newer,
but
so
they're
all
towards
their
end
of
life.
C
D
D
C
C
When
they're
on
shift,
then
we
have
crossing
guards,
Park,
Rangers,
animal
care
and
control
EMA
number,
so
all
public
safety
staff,
and
then
we
have
additional
radios
as
backup
as
well
as
radios
in
case
there
was
a
major
disaster
that
we
can
provide
them
to
all
like
if
we
have
to
bring
every
firefighter
in
they.
Each
get
a
radio
and
radios
are
obviously
the
key
component
in
a
disaster,
because
if
cell
towers
go
down
and
other
standard
communication
goes
down,
that.
A
A
C
A
C
C
A
F
A
C
E
C
Yeah,
so
we
have
standard
allowances
for
that.
We
purchased
those
throughout
the
years
as
our
stock
depletes.
We
increase
it
or
you
know
replenish
it.
We
make
very
good
connections
with
a
lot
of
vendors
to
ensure
we've.
We
were
able
to
access
equipment
throughout
the
pandemic
as
well
as
now
to
replenish
our
stocks.
C
We
believe
we're
prepared
again.
If
something
would
happen,
we
do
have
masks
and
things
again.
We
did
have
some
grant
money
to
help
replenish
the
stocks
as
well
during
coven,
using
some
of
the
harpa
funds,
as
well
as
some
Grant
monies
that
came
out
from
the
EFG,
which
is
you
know,
the
fires
in
general,
yeah
fire
fire
grant
program.
So
thank.
E
A
K
E
A
K
K
L
L
Okay
say
we
continue
to
put
a
new
recruitment
class
on
every
year,
which
I'm
sure
we're
going
to
have
to
so
we
gained
30
per
year,
but
we're
losing
roughly
100
per
year,
and
that
number
is
going
to
go
up
I
think
so.
In
10
years
we
will
have
zero
police
officers.
At
this
rate,
that's
just
simple
math
right
and
that's
being
conservative.
You
know
it's
more
likely
going
to
be
seven
or
eight
years,
because
many
are
going
to
retire.
L
I
believe
we
have
240
that
can
retire
tomorrow,
come
January,
I
want
to
say
300
and
some
you
know
that
can
retire,
so
so
I
I'm,
so
I
was
talking.
I
see
Ralphie
Sakura.
Here
he
was
here.
You
know
last
night
he's
a
firefighter
class
graduating
tomorrow
and
I'm,
recruiting
myself
out
there.
So
I
don't
know
what
kind
of
plan
we're
gonna
come
up
with,
but
I
told
Ralph
I
said
anybody
that
doesn't
make
the
cut
with
the
fire
department.
L
Ask
him
if
they
want
to
be
a
cop,
please
you
know
so
so
so.
I
just
I
hate
to
I
hate
to
dwell
on
this.
I
really
do.
But
it's
very
concerning
to
me
it's
very
concerning
to
the
public
and
even
in
five
years
we're
going
to
be
down
to
350
police
officers.
It's
you
can't
function.
We
can't
function
as
a
city,
so
we'll
put
our
heads
together.
We
need
to
come
up
with
an
aggressive,
recruiting
strategy
other
than
just
recruitment
classes.
Yeah.
C
M
E
L
A
A
Councilman,
it's
the
race,
one
of
the
reasons
that
I
am
such
a
stickler
about.
Where
are
we
going
to
train
our
Public
Safety
people
when
I
came
on
16
years
ago
and
was
sharing
Public
Safety
then
is
the
first
time
I
went
to
the
academy
on
Washington,
Boulevard
and
I
went
there
because
it
was
flooded,
and
that
was
16
years
ago.
Councilman.
D
A
B
B
I
D
A
A
A
B
Thank
you,
I'll
start
with
the
office
of
community
health
and
safety
and
then
go
over
the
Stop,
the
Violence
trust
fund.
The
mission
of
the
office
of
community
health
and
safety
is
to
improve
Community
safety
and
well-being
and
support
public
safety
personnel
by
building
a
public
health,
informed
response,
Continuum,
a
quick
overview
of
the
office
community,
health
and
safety
focus
on
developing
a
Continuum
of
support,
implementation
of
Public
Health,
informed
practices
and
consistent
Community
engagement
and
partnership.
There
are
no
full-time
employees
funded
in
the
community,
health
and
safety,
the
office
of
community
health
and
safety.
B
They
do
have
a
budget
slightly
over
five
million
dollars
and
the
vast
majority
of
that
is
going
to
the
agh
diversion
program
and
they
stopped
the
violence,
trust
fund.
The
was
created
to
support
services
and
programs
that
prevent
violence
and
criminal
activities,
and
also
to
support
community
health
and
safety
programs.
The
revenues
in
2022
are
an
amount
equivalent
of
six
percent
of
the
Bureau
of
police's
budget
and
shall
be
transferred
into
the
fund.
The
matching
amount
is
required
to
increase
until
it
is
at
10
percent.
In
2026.
B
expenditures
include
salaries,
supplies,
materials,
Professional,
Services
equipment
and
other
services
in
connection
with
the
programs
that
prevent
violence
and
criminal
activity
in
the
city
of
Pittsburgh,
a
quick
position
summary
in
the
2023
budget.
It
is
proposed
to
have
a
32
full-time
employees,
which
is
an
increase
of
15..
The
new
positions
include
those
in
community
health
and
safety,
which
is
one
Community
social
worker,
going
from
six
to
seven
a
trauma
specialist,
a
senior
project
manager
for
diversion
and
evaluation
division.
A
O
To
speak
to
you
about
the
work
that
our
office
is
doing
in
our
proposed
budget
for
the
2023
upcoming
2023
year,
I
think
that
this
is
always
a
a
confusing
Point
that
that
I
know
that
the
budget
director
said
we
don't
have
any
full-time
positions
in
the
operating
budget.
That's
because
we
are
Stop,
the
Violence
trust
fund
funded.
So
we
do
have
full-time
positions
in
the
office,
but
those
are
not
coming
out
of
the
general
fund.
O
O
O
So
We've,
as
I
mentioned,
we
are
funded
by
the
stop.
The
violence
trust
fund,
the
operating
budget,
which
you
will
see
in
the
third
page,
is
what
I
think
we
usually
end
up
getting
stuck
on
or
confused
about.
So
the
as
as
Peter
said,
our
budget
for
2023
in
the
general
fund
is
5
million,
sixty
three
thousand
two
hundred
dollars.
O
Sixty
three
thousand
two
hundred
dollars
is
for
tuition,
reimbursement,
training,
Professional,
Services
agreement
for
big
Berg,
Prevention
Services,
training
for
social
workers,
around
harm
reduction
office
supplies,
operational
supplies,
and
then
machinery
and
equipment
which
refers
to
aeds,
so
we're
using
63
000
of
that
money.
The
rest
will
be
under
contract
with
the
Allegheny
Health
Network
Roots
program
and
will
also
be
part
of
funding
that
will
go
to
the
Department
of
Public
Safety
to
build
out
the
alternative
response
program.
O
That's
why
we
have
Dan
palca
here
today,
the
director
of
the
homelessness
and
urban.
Sorry,
that's
not
the
right
title,
Urban,
Health
and
Street
medicine
program
at
Allegheny,
Health
Network.
So
he
can
speak
to
both
the
allocation
to
Allegheny
Health
Network,
as
well
as
what
we'll
be
investing
in
in
the
Department
of
Public
Safety
regarding
alternative
response
and
those
will
both
be
in
his
purview.
O
The
first
two
pages
detail:
the
positions
that
Peter
indicated
that
are
coming
from
the
Stop,
the
Violence
trust
fund
I
know
that
we're
going
to
be
kind
of
floating
in
and
out
of
the
discussion
of
Stop
the
Violence,
but
to
clarify
there
will
be
an
additional
social
worker
which
is
not
reflected
here.
So
that
would
be
a
total
of
seven.
The
Continuum
of
support
program
manager
role
is
is
moving
from
a
part-time
to
a
full-time
role.
O
Much
later
in
the
year,
the
community
engagement
coordinator,
Position,
will
be
vacated,
we're
very
proud
to
say
that
Eric
Williams
was
promoted
to
a
new
role
in
the
mayor's
office,
so
we'll
be
revisiting
that
program.
The
three
trauma
positions
are
something
that
we
have
been
focused
on:
to
respond
to
the
mayors
of
emphasis
on
ensuring
that
our
community
members
are
not
living
with
trauma
and
unattached
to
resources
that
are
necessary
and
the
other
position
that
is
new
is
from
a
bja
funding
opportunity.
O
What
council
person
coghill
said
we,
you
know,
we
really
really
rely
on
the
law
enforcement,
our
law
enforcement
partners
for
all
of
the
programs
that
we're
doing
sometimes
they're
going
to
be
involved
in
the
response,
and
sometimes
they're
not.
But
we
need
them
to
help
us
to
be
safe
and
we
need
them
to
be
empowered
to
do
their
job
so
that
we
can
take
on
the
elements
of
the
programs
that
the
response
that
could
more
appropriately
be
dealt
with
by
others.
O
D
M
M
And
we
are
I,
think
councilman
gross
talked
about
building
the
ecosystems,
we're
we're
in
the
process
of
doing
that
now.
The
accountability
that
President
kale
Smith
is
talking
about,
and
so
we're
working
through
those
systems
now
we're
putting
the
people
in
place
so
that
whenever
there
is
a
second
round
that
the
things
will
work
a
little
bit
more
smoothly
and
we'll
be
making
sure
that,
hopefully,
our
partners
are
doing
everything
that
they're
stating
that
they
would
do.
E
I
mean
for
your
department
previously,
so
I
think
that
you
would
make
sure
people
are
being
held
accountable
and
then
I
want
to
thank
the
office
of
community
health
and
safety
for
the
work
that
you
do
in
the
community
and
I
know.
I.
Give
you
a
hard
time
I'm
going
to
give
you
a
hard
time
again
so,
but
I
think
that,
if
somebody
has
to
because
we
want
to
make
sure
there
are
an
increasing
number
of
homeless
people
in
the
city
of
Pittsburgh.
E
On
our
own
doorstep,
out
here
and
I
know
that
you're
working
with
those
people
and
Ricky
moody
in
our
office
made
sure
that
he
he
contacted
you
to.
You
know
talk
about
it
and
through
the
somehow.
We
found
out
that
that
you
are
aware
and
working
on
that
issue,
but
that's
just
one
person
and
there's
just
a
lot
going
on
and
I'm.
Just
you
know.
Councilwoman
gross
and
I
continue
to
ask
for
additional
housing
and
affordable
housing
and
I.
E
Think
it's
great
to
give
and
I
told
a
reporter
that
it's
great
to
give
someone
a
blanket
when
the
blanket
gets
wet
and
it
gets
cold
and
it's
frozen.
It's
not
so
great
anymore.
So
we
have
to
do
more
to
get
people
off
the
streets
and
into
safe
housing
and
put
them
in
safer
places
for
people
that
want
that
want
to
help
and
there's
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
people
that
want
help.
E
Young
family
owned
the
other
side
with
young
children
and
the
squatters
were
burning,
something
to
stay
warm
and
it
created
carbon
monoxide
in
the
building.
And
so
both
families
had
to
be
evicted
and
both
were
homeless
and
and
trying
to
find
some
space
to
live.
So
I
think
that
we
need
we
can
do
better.
We
need
to
do
better
and
I'm
not
going
to
stop
until
we
do
do
better
and
I
think
councilwoman
gross
feels
the
same
way
I'll.
Let
her
address
that.
O
We
had
an
RFP
that
went
out
on
in
April
of
2020.
During
the
pandemic
we
proposed
then
mayor
Purdue
proposed
a
program
that
would
combine
proactive,
homeless,
Outreach
Hub
development
of
sites
in
each
of
the
zones
to
make
sure
that
people
had
a
place
to
go
to
receive
services
and
assisted
response
to
law
enforcement,
for
what
we
anticipated
would
be
a
significant
increase
in
evictions
and
and
thus
people
on
the
street
holding
all
of
their
belongings
with
no
place
to
go
so
that
RFP
went
out.
O
There
were
two
respondents
to
it
and
Allegheny
Health
Network
was
the
successful
respondent,
so
that
was
for
emergency
Solutions
grants
and
then,
as
the
arpa
allocations
were
approved,
this
was
the
you
know,
continued
provider
for
that
work.
Because
of
that
the
city
does
also
have
I
know
you.
You
all
just
approved
emergency
Solutions
grants
that
go
out
yearly.
Those
include
Street
Outreach,
historically,
we've
had
Pittsburgh
Mercy
as
one
of
the
applicants
I,
don't
think
that
they
applied
this
year.
E
And
so
my
concern
is
that
the
agreement
between
age
and
the
city
is
still
not
signed
and
I
hear
understand
it's
between
attorneys
and
that's
what
the
delay
has
been
and
and
so
I
asked
the
administration
the
other
day.
What
is
the
plan
B?
How
long
are
we
going
to
give
before
this
agreement
is
signed
and
I'm
going
to
ask
again?
C
So
actually
we
meet
about
that
contract.
Currently
I
had
a
meeting
this
morning
also
with
hn
folks
and
Lisa
Frank
from
the
mayor's
office.
I
believe
the
deadline
we've
given
now
is.
It
has
to
be
done
by
the
end
of
the
year.
If
not
we're
going
to
discuss
and
figure
out
what
talk
more
about
what
plan
B
is
we
always
already
have
some
thoughts
and
ideas.
E
It's
to
me
it's
it's
unbelievable
that
there's
people
homeless
when
people
are
taking
their
time
I
mean
I,
would
meet
every
day
until
I
got
that
that
signed
every
day
and
because
people
were
waiting
on
us
and
depending
on,
and
not
only
the
people
that
are
homeless,
but
people
all
around
that
are
affected
by
what's
what's
occurring,
and
it's
depressing
for.
You
know
to
even
to
even
think
that
there's
so
many
people
struggling
and
we're
not
we're
so
unable
to
help
them
at
the
other
time.
E
On
a
regular
basis,
yeah
on
the
council,
that's
one
of
the
things
I
would
really
wish.
We
would
be
better
at
with
this
office.
I
think
that
there's
a
lack
of
communication
directly
to
city
council.
If
it's
a
council
member,
we,
we
sometimes
get
a
response,
but
we
also
have
Ricky
Moody
who's.
Doing
some
work
with
us
it'd
be
helpful
to
have
him
on
some
of
these
conversations,
but
he's
doing
a
different
direction,
but
it
still
sometimes
would
be
when
we
get
phone
calls
and
we
ask
them
to
get
an
answer
for
us.
E
It'd
be
nice
for
him
to
get
the
answer.
Fort
city,
council
and
no
other
members
have
asked
him
for
a
lot
of
stuff,
but
but
overall
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
this
agreement
gets
signed,
that
we
get
moving
and
start
getting
some
help
additional
help
to
people
that
need
it
the
most,
but
that's
for
that's
it
for
me,
but
I
do
want
to
thank
you
all
for
your
work.
I
think
that's
a
it's
crucial
work
right
now,
especially
in
the
city
of
Pittsburgh.
Thank
you.
J
E
F
J
J
It
seems,
like
there's
gonna,
be
a
lot
of
coordinated
effort
again
like
you
like
you
were
talking
about
and
the
more
and
more
we
frame,
this
I
think
the
better.
It
will
be
for
the
public
to
understand
because
I
know,
there's
still
some.
You
know
the
public
still
tries
to
understand
the
distinction
between
ochs
and
how
they
coordinate
with
with
roots,
and
then
you
know
so
that
Dynamic
there
so
Laura.
Can
you
explain
how
you
know
your
role
at
ochs
and
how?
J
O
So
it's
a
long-standing
need,
which
you
know
you
would
you
would
hope,
means
that
by
the
time
we
had
the
money
in
hand,
we
would
be
able
to
just
activate
it
right
away
and
I
I.
Think
council,
president
kale
Smith
I
agreed
like
there's
no
excuse
for
this
to
to
drag
on
when
we
have
people
who
have
unmet
needs,
it's
it's
something
worse
than
devastating.
O
It's
it's
a
shame
really,
but
what
we
have
found
I
think
you
know,
especially
over
the
course
of
the
last
year-
is
that
this
isn't
a
like
a
cottage
program
that
we,
you
know
want
to
throw
a
few
dollars
to
like
this.
Actually,
the
work
that
Dan
and
his
staff
have
been
doing
is,
in
fact
a
vital
part
of
Public
Safety
infrastructure.
We,
you
know,
we
need
these
to
be
resilient
programs.
We
need
to
know
that
at
2
A.M
on
a
Tuesday
or
at
Saturday
at
noon,
there's
going
to
be
someone
there.
O
You
know
we'll
have
a
very
clear
mandate
for
our
partners
at
Allegheny,
Health
Network,
to
continue
to
excellently
provide
Street,
Outreach,
homeless
and
Street
Outreach
and
care
and
to
build
up
the
capacity
of
the
sites
and
to
expand
to
all
of
the
districts
or
all
of
the
zones.
Rather,
we
know
that
inequity
is
really
problematic
and-
and
that's
something
that
we've
been
committing
to
for
some
time
and
then
for
what
we
see
as
the
natural
part
of
the
public
safety
Continuum.
You
know
you
call
9-1-1
and
you're
going
to
get
someone.
O
That
is
our
alternative
response
program,
which
will
also
be
you
know:
Under,
The,
Roots
I,
don't
even
want
to
say
branding
leadership
and
I,
think
expertise,
but
we
will
build
in
the
city
because
we
know
how
to
do
that.
We
know
you
know
we
know
radios,
we
know
Vehicles,
we
know
dispatch
integration
and
it
makes
a
lot
more
sense
for
us
to
do
that,
rather
than
to
invest
in
that
infrastructure
in
an
organization
that
to
date
doesn't
do
it
and
would
have
to
rebuild
a
lot
of
new
things
and
Dan
I.
Don't
know
if
there's.
J
F
J
O
F
R
A
lot
about
what
it
really
takes
to
do
this
well,
not
just
from
our
staff,
who
are
out
there
doing
the
work,
but
also
from
law
enforcement.
Saying
this
worked,
this
didn't
really
work.
We
need
this
to
be
faster.
We
need
people
to
follow
up
with
us
better.
We
need
more
information,
so
even
things
that
we
hadn't
and
could
not
have
anticipated
two
years
ago,
we're
now
sort
of
figuring
out
how
to
do
things
like
data
sharing.
You
know
how
do
we
ethically
and
equitably,
share
information
with
law
enforcement
to
a
Health
Systems
provider?
J
J
R
It
makes
it
really
difficult
to
be
just
about
anywhere
without
your
very
existence
being
criminalized,
and
so
the
the
priority
here
and
the
thing
that
we're
working
very
diligently
with
the
county
on
is
reframing.
Some
of
the
more
conventional
Service
delivery
models
and
Facilities
that
are,
that
have
historically
attempted
to
assist
these
individuals
and
recognize
that
we
need
to
adapt
to
the
the
current
reality
and
make
sure
that
there
are
places
where
people
are
able
to
be,
as
they
are
right.
R
So,
with
these
underlying
conditions
with
these
behaviors,
rather
than
you
know,
making
them
contingent
on
sobriety,
for
example,
or
willingness
to
engage
in
certain
programs
or
follow
certain
stipulations,
many
individuals
are
not
ready
for
that,
and
those
should
not
be
preclusionary
criteria
that
prevent
people
from,
for
example,
coming
inside
or
attaining
housing,
or
anything
like
that.
So
the
challenges
facing
the
people
on
the
street
right
now
are.
R
J
Thanks
so
I
think
it
is
now
that
I
think
about
this,
because
I
am
going
to
go
into
the
next
question
which
I
you
know:
I'm
realizing
just
how
these
questions
are
important,
because
this
is
a
big
investment.
You
know
five
million
five
million
10
million
and
the
future
of
where
this
fits
in
the
public
safety
and
where
the
you
know,
what
age,
what
the,
what
the
relationship
will
be
with
in
the
future.
J
So
that's
a
big
investment
and
one
of
the
criticisms
is,
is
that
you
know
I,
don't
agree.
You
know
I
mean
because
I've
since
I've
been
in
office,
I've
been
faced
with
the
with
the
challenge,
that
of
what
we're
seeing
outside.
But
one
of
the
criticisms
that
that
I
hear
is
just
well.
You
know,
people
don't
want
help,
people
don't
want
to
go
inside
and-
and
you
know
they
just
have
to
move
along.
Can
you
speak
to
that.
R
Sure,
yeah
well
I,
think
you
know
my
position
on
an
there
are
rarely
individuals
who
actually
don't
want
help.
Sometimes
people,
maybe
in
a
state
that
precludes
their
sort
of
enthusiastic
cooperation
with
people
who
are
attempting
to
provide
care
or
assist
them
in
some
way.
But
my
experience
has
been,
and
the
experience
of
our
team
has
been
that
it's
generally
a
reflection
on
the
deficiency
of
the
approach
to
provide
care
to
people.
R
Often
people
project
their
own
sort
of
biases
or
or
ideas
about
what
a
person
might
need
to
be
well
without
incorporating
their
own,
that
individual's
sort
of
perspective
or
self-knowledge,
and
that
there
are
more
adaptive
ways
to
to
provide
care
for
people.
We
see
extremely
harmful
tactics.
Looking
at
New
York
this
past
week,
involuntarily
committing
individuals
and
framing
it
as
a
moral
or
ethical
obligation.
R
Of
course,
safety
is
our
number
one
priority
and
making
sure
that
we
recruit
people
to
to
engage
with
us
in
the
process
of
creating
their
own
care
and
what
that
might
look
like
for
them,
recognizing
that
everyone's
different
so
yeah,
there
are
certainly
individuals
who
may
decline
care,
but
if
you
were
to
look
at
sort
of
the
underlying
logic
there
more
often
in
my
experience,
it
has
to
do
with
the
deficiency
of
the
measures
that
we
have
currently
at
our
disposal
to
assist
people
with,
not
that
they
don't
want
to
be
better.
Okay,.
J
Thanks
really
appreciate
those
comments,
so
specifically,
as
we
Laura,
you
mentioned
the
the
the
build
out.
Some
of
these
positions-
you
know
in
the
city
and
and
specifically
director
I,
was
wondering:
how
will
we
be
supporting
that
in
the
future?
Could
you
explain
how
we're
going
to
be
supporting
these
different
I?
Don't
know
what
we
call
it
teams
or
groups
of
people
I
know.
There's
you
know
we're
talking
about
Vehicles
Vans
I've
heard
different
terms
like
fast
team,
slow
team.
C
I
think,
as
Dan
stated,
you
know
we
because
this
is
such
a
new.
You
know
program
and
such
a
new
approach
throughout
the
country
everybody's
still
kind
of
in
that
learning
phase,
so
we're
using
this
opportunity
with
agent
and
with
the
arpa
funding
and
other
funding
that
we
have
to
work
through
this
pilot
system.
So
the
way
I
see
this
is
as
we
go
through.
C
We
develop
what
makes
sense
to
be
here,
what
makes
sense
to
be
with
DHS
what
makes
sense
to
be
within
Health
Systems,
not
just
one
Health
System,
but
all
Health
Systems
in
this
city
have
a
responsibility
to
help
the
city
and
the
county
provide
services
to
people
right
now,
and
this
has
been
historic.
You
know
we
EMS
will
go
out
and
engage
with
someone
and
take
him
to
the
Ed
and
the
Ed
assesses
them
and
then
says:
well,
there's
nothing!
You
know
they're
intoxicated,
there's
nothing.
C
So
we
need
to
make
sure
we're
using
this
opportunity,
while
we
have
the
funding
as
a
city
to
help
the
county
and
other
folks
see
that
we
can
be.
We
should
be
a
partner
in
this
and
we
should
be
working
together.
We
have
the
resources
as
far
as
as
Laura
mentioned,
that
we
have
the
resources
that
we
know
how
to
do
response.
We
know
how
to
do
the
vehicles.
We
know
how
to
do
some
other
things.
C
D
J
C
R
Yeah
and
Laura
and
I
can
probably
both
speak
to
this,
so
co-response
will
be
within
Laura's
sort
of
purview
in
ochs
and
she
can
speak
to
that.
Alternative
response
is
a
similar
to
programs
that
folks
may
have
heard
about
in
Denver
the
Denver
star
program,
for
example,
or
Cahoots,
which
is
a
really
popular
model
in
Eugene
Oregon.
R
That's
been
very
successful
over
the
last
30
years
that
that
that
model
is
truly
an
alternative
to
a
conventional
Public
Safety
response,
so
those
models
are
typically
integrated
into
dispatch
proper,
which
would
enable
in
circumstances
where,
of
course,
they're
seen
as
safe
and
the
individuals
are
requiring
some
care
related
to
mental
health.
Behavioral
health
substance
use
homelessness
in
general.
R
That's
not
uncommon,
and
we
think
we've
seen
that
30
to
40
percent
of
individuals
who
experience
overdoses
decline,
transport
to
the
emergency
department,
and
there
are
a
variety
of
reasons
for
that
and
not
least
of
which
is
again
that
stigma
that
they
may
experience
when
they
do
go
into
a
conventional
Healthcare
setting.
So
this
team
will
obviate
those
sort
of
potentially
harmful
interactions
with
conventional
law
enforcement
at
times
EMS
and
the
emergency
department
as
well.
O
It's
like
an
IQ
test
to
figure
out
how
to
use
the
microphone.
Sorry,
it
doesn't
bode
well
for
me,
I
I,
so
there's
I
think
there's
two
important
points.
I
want
to
add:
I,
think
we,
you
know,
we've
we've
talked
about
it.
I
think
Council
thinks
about
it
a
lot
we
are
not
in
the
business
of
doing
less.
We
think
we
kind
of
need
more
everywhere,
which
I
realize
you
all
have
to
be
the
Arbiters
of
our
budget
and
make
sure
we're
fiscally
responsible
too.
O
But
when
we
look
at
alternative
response,
I
think
that
it's
going
to
be
a
very,
very
large
case
volume.
That's
really
complicated
and
we're
going
to
start.
You
know,
I
mean
Dan
and
his
his
staff
are
are
starting,
I,
think
very
thoughtfully,
which
is
we're
not
going
to
just
immediately
send
that
team
out
to
a
situation
or
a
scene
where
we
don't
know
what
they
might
encounter
when
we
think
about
safety.
It's
it's.
It's
the
person
making
the
call
it's
the
person
about
whom
the
call
was
made.
It
is
any
responder.
O
That's
part
of
that
process,
us
and
so
we're
going
to
have
to.
You
know,
as
Dan
said
we
have
been,
and
director
Schmidt
we
will
have
to
continue
to
learn,
so
there
will
be,
you
know,
I
think
a
slow
roll
out
or
a
phase-in
I,
don't
know
what
the
right
term
is,
but
contemporaneously.
We
we
do
know
that
there
are
situations
that
have
may
have
some
safety
concerns,
but
are
very
high.
Acuity,
particularly
mental
health
calls,
and
that's
where
we
see
the
collaborative
or
co-response
coming
into
play.
O
If
we
don't
know
the
degree
to
which
an
officer
may
be
needed
in
a
call,
that's
where
we
see
co-response,
otherwise,
I
think
we
will
continue
to
see
the
higher
Acuity
calls
affecting
our
law
enforcement
Partners
with
very
little
recourse
for
them.
I
I
know
that
we
often
hear
not
just
from
the
officers,
but
even
from
the
public
information
officers
about
situations
where
the
officers
do
the
due
diligence
to
see.
O
If
someone
is
appropriate
for
a
an
involuntary
commitment
at
the
mental
health
facilities
in
this
region
and
within
an
hour
that
person
is
back
to
the
exact
same
spot.
Sometimes
that
is
in
a
place
where
they
are
there's
a
high
potential
that
they
may
harm
themselves
or
someone
else
I.
Think
as
our
officers
and
you
know,
other
First
Responders
see
that
over
and
over
again
we
recognize
that
we
need
to
change
something.
O
We
also
need
our
behavioral
mental
Behavioral
Health
Systems
to
really
come
to
the
table
and
grow,
because
the
capacity
is
not
at
all
sufficient
for
what
we
see
in
our
community
and
what
our
community
members
need.
But
in
those
cases
that
will
allow
us
to
have
the
safety
component,
but
also
a
licensed
professional
or
Master's
level
professional
who
can
then
work
with
that
person
on
an
ongoing
basis.
So
we're
not
just
touching
coming
into
contact
with
that
person
every
time
they
call
9-1-1.
O
J
C
Well,
I
think,
obviously
you
all
have
been
supporting
it
financially.
I
think
also
some
patience.
It
is
going
to
be
a
learning
process.
We
can
definitely
improve
Communications
and
touch
in
you
know,
touch
base
more
frequently
give
you
updates
on
where
things
stand
and
what's
going
on,
but
is
it
is
definitely
a
learning
process
and
we're
going
to
have
to
do
a
lot
of
pivoting
and
a
lot
of
changing
things
around.
So
what
we
did
last
month
might
change.
You
know
this
month.
C
Even
now
you
know
our
our
approach
to
helping
some
folks
into
the
shelters
change
significantly
because
of
the
delays
in
opening
the
shelter,
because
once
you
know
when
it's
summer
time,
we
have
a
little
more
time
to
deal
with
folks
when
it's
winter
time
and
now
it's
cold
and
it's
20
degrees
outside.
We
need
to.
I
C
People
inside
not,
we
don't
have
quite
the
same,
so
just
understand
that
it's
we'll
communicate
with
you
and
if
you
don't
know
something
or
need
to
know
something.
Please
reach
out
to
me.
You
know
I,
think
I
answer
any
of
your
phone
calls
anytime,
necessary
and
we'll
get
you
the
information
you
need
and
we'll
it's.
J
E
M
K
Thank
you
all
so.
I
I
just
wanted
to
acknowledge
that
we've
assigned
the
office
of
community
health
and
safety
with
the
kind
of
double
projects
of
doing
the
diversion
or,
if
you
know
the
accompanying
our
First
Responders,
but
then
also
this
year,
you've
really
been
doing
more
of
the
homeless
Outreach
that
we've
been
talking
about
right.
So
it's
kind
of
like
we
have
both
things
under
the
Superbook
I
just
want
to
acknowledge
that,
because
I
feel
like
sometimes
what's
urgent
in
front
of
council.
K
We're
focused
on
one
thing,
like
we
were
two
years
ago
focused
on
the
diversion
kind
of
calls
that
you
were
just
talking
about,
and
then
this
year
we've
really
been
focusing
more
on
our
homeless
community,
and
you
know
honestly,
the
other
stuff
had
been
off
my
mind.
So
I
just
wanted
to
acknowledge
that
you're
doing
both
things
so
and-
and
you
and
we've
addressed
both
things
in
the
hearing
today.
K
So
I
appreciate
that
and
I
know
that
other
members
have
touched
on
the
5
million
dollar
contract
that
we
had
approved
now
more
than
a
year
ago
that
there
has
not
been
any
not
not
a
penny.
Just
to
re-emphasize
for
the
for
the
public
and
for
our
minds,
like
none
of
that
money
has
actually
moved
out
of
the
budget
and
councilman
Smith
mentioned
councilman
mentioned
how
she
really
wants
there
to
be
drop-in
centers,
but
that's
what
that
money
was
for
so
I,
don't
think
we
really
kind
of
drilled
more
into
that.
R
So
the
the
hubs
as
we're
calling
them
are
a
really
critical
piece
of
this
and,
as
council
president
mentioned,
having
places
to
be
for
people
and
Laura
mentioned
also
at
to
hours
that
are
perhaps
unconventional
for
a
normal
or
conventional
Service.
Delivery
is
real
priority
for
us.
You
know
at
5
PM,
you
know
you
might
have
five
case
managers
or
whatever
you'd
be
hard-pressed
to
get
any
of
them
to
pick
up
their
phones.
R
We
were
fortunate
enough
in
the
initial
allocation
through
SG
that
you
all
had
approved
to
build
out
the
first
three
hubs,
so
we
do
have
drop-in
centers
in
zones,
one
two
and
five
and
we're
working.
Currently,
our
Outreach
teams
do
work
out
of
those
offices
and
they
have
limited
hours
that
people
can
I'm.
K
K
If
any
of
us
have
any
terms
and
I
so
I
apologize,
but
you
know
the
longer
you're
in
a
room,
the
the
more
germs
you're
sharing
with
each
other,
and
we
just
we've
been
in
here
all
day
and
we're
going
to
be
in
here
for
a
lot
longer,
so
I
apologize
if
anyone's
uncomfortable,
but
I
think
we're
okay.
For
now
so
so
we
were
saying
about
the
drop-in
centers
being
available
for
services
at
unconventional
hours
and
being
fully
staffed.
K
I
was
saying
that
the
other
day
that
I
felt
like
what
councilwoman,
Smith
and
I
have
been
talking
with
about
transitional
housing
is
that
they're
staffed
24
hours
a
day
to
address
residents.
Mental
health
needs
physical
health
needs,
addiction
needs,
but
also
job
training
and
placement
kind
of
helping
people
get
from
where
they
are
now,
which
is
not
independent,
able
to
function
independently,
whatever
trauma
that
might
be
experienced
or
have
experience
right
to
getting
their
lives
back.
Like
that's.
K
The
goal
like
to
take
you
from
wherever
you're,
starting,
maybe
you're,
ready
to
get
an
apartment
and
get
your
life
back
under
your
feet
in
a
week,
maybe
you're
not,
but
to
get
you
to
that
place
that
these
drop-in
centers
would
actually
have
those
Services.
They
just
wouldn't
have
the
living
accommodations.
That's.
K
O
Council
person
gross
I
want
to
acknowledge
the
the
prevention
work
is
I
mean
it
doesn't
always
feel
as
critical,
because
I
think
you
don't
know
what
you're
preventing
and-
and
so
it's
I
mean
maybe
even
like.
This
is
something
that
director
Jones
has
to
try
to
show,
which
is
how
do
you
show
data
on
having
prevented
a
bad
thing
from
happening?
O
You
know
whether
we're
talking
about
eviction
which
I
know
is
something
that
you,
you
think
a
lot
about.
You
work
very
hard
on,
but
or
you
know,
some
sort
of
dispute
that
resulted
in
a
landlord-tenant
issue,
lack
of
care
of
financial
gap,
exacerbation
of
substance
use
on
treated
mental
health
issues.
There
are
a
bunch
of
things
that
could
be
done
before
that
person
ends
up
with
a
tent
on
a
trail
and
you
Know
Dan
and
his
staff.
That's
the
you
know,
that's
the
last.
Stop
that's
the
last
possible
option.
Nobody
wants
that.
O
R
I'll
just
add
to
an
answer
to
councilman
Wilson's
last
question.
Just
to
Double.
Down
continue
to
keep
this
Vision
that
you're
talking
about
about
a
multitude
of
a
variety
of
options
for
People,
based
on
where
they
may
begin
their
Journey
or
where
they
may
need
help,
continue
to
apply
pressure
to
whatever
entity,
to
continue
to
explore
and
hopefully,
invest
in
and
build
out
a
variety
of
different
housing
models
and
and
resources
for
people.
Because,
as
you've
said,
it's
not
a
one-size-fits.
K
And
so
just
since
we've
talked
about
this
before
just
a
reminder,
the
County
government
got
the
federal
and
state
funds
for
Human
Services.
The
Department
of
Human
Services
is
not
at
the
city,
I'm,
also
going
to
say
and
I
don't
want
you
to
respond
that.
What
it
feels
like
we're
doing
is
that
we're
having
to
build
our
own
Department
of
Human
Services,
which
is
not
a
not
a
city
function,
but
it's
what
we've
just
spent
this
whole
year
and
talking
about,
but
let's
move
on
so
just
to
wrap
up
for
me.
K
I
also
want
to
address
that.
We
have
heard
that
there
are.
You
know,
people
living
outside,
that
we
really
worry
about
all
of
the
people,
but
especially
there's
an
increasing
in
the
kind
of
people
who
have
aged
out
of
our
foster
system,
especially
lgbtqia
as
a
significant
portion
of
people
who
are
having
trouble,
you
know
being
housed,
they
might
be
kept
surfing
or
they
might
be
outside.
K
I've
also
heard
in
our
our
committee
has
heard
that
there
are
parents
with
children
and
I
wanted
to
give
you
a
chance
to
address
that,
because
we
we
really
know
that
there
are
people
outside
that.
We
right
as
councilman
Smith's
already
said.
This
is
not
this
is
we
need
to
be
in
more
emergency
mode
than
we
are.
R
Yeah
I'll
agree
with
that
completely
I
have
multiple
instances
of
engaging
with
individuals,
families
on
the
streets,
even
just
in
the
recent
weeks,
especially
as
it's
getting
cold
and
I
think
you're
all
aware,
but
the
mckinney-bento
ACT,
among
other
things,
basically
mandates
that
we
provide
housing
for
families
with
with
minors
and
children,
and
so,
unlike
perhaps,
unfortunately,
a
single
adult
male
who
may
find
themselves
homeless.
There
is
a
sense
of
urgency:
that's
built
into
legislation,
Federal
legislation
to
ensure
that
those
individuals
do
receive
care.
R
The
challenge,
though,
is
less
I,
think
I
mean.
Actually
we
have
a
two-fold
challenge
right
now.
Typically,
you
know
it's
either
accessibility
or
availability
right
in
this
case,
it's
a
little
bit
of
both.
We,
we
not
only
we
not
only
don't,
have
sufficient
space
for
these
families
to
be
temporarily
sheltered.
Currently,
the
family,
shelter
options
in
the
the
county
or
the
conventional
sites
or
facilities
are
full,
and
so
you
know
to
their
credit
and
under
the
federal
mandate
they
have
expanded
into
providing.
R
K
I
think
there's
it's
again,
there's
always
so
much
more
that
we
could
be
talking
about
and
we
are
talking
about
it
in
committee,
but
we
can't
cover
everything
in
the
budget
hearing,
so
I'll
stop
questioning
there.
But
again,
thank
you
all
for
your
work,
and
this
is
an
important
part
of
us
doing.
Public
Safety
right
so
appreciate
it.
L
L
Oh
yeah,
absolutely
absolutely
first
I
want
to
say
to
stop
the
violence.
You
know
in
seeing
your
group
and
meeting
them
I
have
a
lot
of
confidence
in
you,
I
think
it's
going
to
be
a
while
before
we
see
results,
but
to
know
that
we're
out
there
engaging
with
the
youth.
You
know,
we've
got
to
curb
the
violence,
and
you
know
the
direction
of
the
kids
today.
I
believe
so
so.
I
have
a
lot
of
confidence
in
you.
L
I
R
Those
are
those
are
full
to
capacity
we're
now
into
the
Overflow
space,
which
is
the
cafeteria.
That's
that's
downstairs
they've
been
able
to
clear
out
a
room
recently
that
it's
my
understanding
that
tonight
or
tomorrow
will
be
able
to
accommodate
an
additional
25,
more
individuals
there,
but
we
are
at
capacity
there.
We're
also
utilizing
620,
Smithfield
Street
downtown
as
an
overflow
space,
and
that
space
is
also
nearly
at
capacity.
Every
accommodation
is
being
made
to
ensure
no
one
is
turned
away.
L
Okay,
so
Second
Avenue
is
at
capacity
I'm,
assuming
we
still,
we
didn't
get
all
the
homeless
off
the
street.
There's
plenty
out.
There
still
is
that
correct.
That's
correct,
yeah!
Okay!
Now,
let's
get
into
Roots!
Okay
I,
remember
approving
this
money.
It
was
a
year
ago,
I
believe
or
so
so
with
roots.
Let
me
just
go
through
what
you've
told
me,
and
you
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
about
anything
where
to
use
that
10
million
dollars
you're
going
to
open
up
at
least
three
new
drop-in
centers.
L
Okay,
you
were
also
going
to
put
three
vans
on
the
streets:
two
transport
homeless,
whether
it
be
to
Second,
Avenue,
Commons
or
another
alternative,
correct,
that's
right.
Okay,
also,
there
was
going
to
be
a
couple
of
people
or
counselors
I
want
to
say
or
social
workers
that
you
were
going
to
have
on
hand.
L
R
So
we've
we've,
certainly
we've
been
planning
and
thinking
about
it
and
and
learning
as
Dr
Schmidt
mentioned,
and
we've
certainly
budgeted
for
it.
So
we've
built
out
budgets
that
incorporate
all
those
staff,
but
insofar
as
we've
been
able
to
move
forward
on
the
acquisition
of
the
vehicles
or
executing
lease
agreements
with
the
three
additional
sites
that
you
mentioned,
no,
we
have
not,
because
we
don't
have
the
the
contract
in
place.
Apparently.
L
L
So
so,
let's,
let's
again
as
Madam
president
said,
we
have
a
homeless
task
force.
We
talk
with
you
and
Laura
on
a
regular
basis
and
director
Frank,
and
you
know
it's
myself,
councilman
Wilson,
councilwoman,
strasberger
and
councilwoman
gross,
and
you
know,
we've
learned
a
lot
about
this
situation
through
you,
I
will
say
and
you
Laura
Dan.
You
are
my
go-to
expert
when
I
need
to
find
out
what's
actually
going
on
in
the
street,
how
many
people
are
out
there?
Well,
you
know
all
those
questions
so
I.
L
Thank
you
for
all
that
I'm
frustrated,
though,
when
I
hear
that
you
have
not
been
able
to
even
start
this
alternative,
meaning
the
drop-in
centers
the
Vans,
because
here
we
are
with
second
Avenues
filled
and
we're
approaching
winter.
We've
just
started
to
approach
winter
and
we
have
no
other
alternative.
At
this
point
at
least
the
drop-in
centers
would
have
held
how
many
people,
because
we've
gotten
out
of
the
cold
per
night.
L
C
Process
so
I
think
you
know,
because
we
we
have
been
working
on
the
contract
or
some
folks
have
been
working
on
the
contract.
I've
gotten
involved
a
little
more
recently,
but
as
the
contract
was
developing
and
the
scope
of
work
was
developing,
we've
had
to
shift
things
as
Dan
mentioned
or
Laura
mentioned
earlier.
One
is
you
know
initially,
the
the
plan
was
for
all
of
this
to
be
completely
housed
in
hn,
as
we
started
to
go
through
this.
C
We
realized
some
of
this
isn't
going
to
work
in
hn
because
they're
not
prepared
for
those
programs
like
it
to
have
transportation
to
have
you
know:
First
Responders,
responding
to
emergencies
and
or
the
you
know.
So
does
this
fast
teams
that
sort
of
thing
so
we've
had
to
change
a
lot
of
the
scope
of
work
and
you'll
see
the
the
detailed
budget
has
changed.
Some
of
that
money
that
was
originally
planned
to
completely
go
to
hn
is
now
some
of
that's
going
to.
L
F
C
A
regular
basis,
her
and
I
actually
had
a
discussion
yesterday
and
this
morning
again,
this
is
going
to
happen
good
okay,
with
or
without
whatever
those
blockades
that
we're.
Having
now
we're
gonna
break
through
them.
Okay
and,
as
I
said
earlier,
like
we're
gonna
figure
out
what
comes
into
the
city.
What
goes
with
hn
or
do
we
need
to
bring
in
some
other
partner
got
it.
L
Okay,
I
understand
the
complications
of
it.
You
know
I,
guess
we're
behind
the
eight
ball
right
now,
we're
gonna
be
I,
don't
know
how
many
months
it's
set
us
back,
but
it's
going
to
be
a
rough
winter.
If
we
saw
people
on
the
streets
and
Second
Avenue
Commons
is
overflowing
so
I'll
leave
it
with
that.
Dan
I
hope
you
get
the
funds
you
need
sooner
than
later,
so
we
can
start
this
critical
work.
Thank
you
for
the
work
you
do
Lord.
Thank
you,
Mr
Jones,
Thank,
you
and
director
Schmidt.
L
A
C
A
I
mean
yeah.
Well,
you
can
write,
it
I
think
we're
gonna
have
to
put
14
classes
on
next
year.
That's
why
so
I
I,
you
know
we
all
say
this,
but
I
am
going
to
make
my
remarks
brief,
because
I'm
going
to
make
sure
everybody
has
an
opportunity
at
least
have
a
bike
to
eat.
We
have
a
lot
to
get
done
this
afternoon,
but
as
I
was
listening
to
councilman
Calico
ask
his
questions
and
other
members.
What
you
hear
from
us
is
frustration
and
the
frustration
is
rooted
in
we
come
here
through
a
democratic
process.
A
A
That's
why
we
meet
every
Tuesday
and
Wednesday
to
approve
the
funds
that
need
to
to
be
sent
to
the
administrative
or
executive
branch
of
government
to
supply
the
the
the
efforts
that
we
hear
from
our
constituency
and
then,
when
it
doesn't
happen
it
isn't
that
constituency
comes
to
you
and
says:
why
haven't
you
done
this?
They
come
to
us
and
say
why
haven't
you
done
this
and
to
explain?
Well,
that's
not
our
role.
We
we
provide
funding
for
it.
We
don't
execute
it.
A
I
gotta
stop
I
really
do
you
know:
I
live
on
a
main
street
in
the
south
side
25
30
years
ago,
I
would
watch
on
a
regular
basis
when
the
weather
would
change
how
rail
Riders
would
come
into
the
City
walk
past.
My
house
head
to
Carson
Street
to
Panhandle
camp
out
on
the
riverfront
property
30
years
ago,
I'm
sitting
here,
30
years
later,
16
years
in
this
Council
hearing
the
same
thing:
that's
where
the
frustration
comes
from
now.
A
B
A
A
A
There's
there's
been
some
difficulty
filling
a
position
in
their
some
challenges
and
which
I
understand
those
things
do
happen,
but
I
am
here
to
strongly
advocate
for
for
the
Department
and
especially
the
need
to
fill
that
position
in
that
what
we
see
in
in
the
disruption
of
nighttime
economy,
it
tends
to
be
largely
seasonal,
and
so
what
we've
seen
the
past
two
summers
coming
out
of
global
pandemic
director
you've
been
in
the
the
heat
of
of
it.
You
see
what
that
has
happened.
A
The
fact
that
it's
calmed
down
right
now
now
is
due
to
somewhat
to
the
efforts
that
we
put
into
it,
but
it's
largely
weather
dependent,
it's
cyclical
in
nature.
Things
are
going
to
calm
down,
but
I'm
here
to
tell
you
you're
about
to
experience
your
first
St
Patrick's
Day,
and
it
is
only
about
three
months
away
and
already
I
know.
A
M
M
And
we
want
to
make
sure
we
have
the
right
person
and
that
they
will
be
around
and
not
more
than
just
seasonal,
so
we're
working
on
that
we
are
reposting
our
interview
process.
We're
taking
suggestions
from
whomever
would
have
some
possible
candidates
so
we're
working
towards
an
end.
Yes,
I've
had
to
talk
her
down
off
the
LEDs
once
or
twice,
and
but
we're
working
well
together.
Yeah.
A
The
two
words
that
we
none
of
us
want
to
hear
about
anything
is
we're
working
toward
right
that,
because
we're
always
working
toward
write
something
we
want
to
say.
Oh
great,
that's
in
place
good
next
can
we
do
whatever
and
you
know,
and
I'm
I'm
really
being
a
little
bit
overly
dramatic
and
I'm
doing
it
on
purpose,
but
director,
you
know
this
I
mean
you
know
we
just
though
the
the
the
industry
is
just
so
very
volatile
right
now.
We
just
don't
know
really
what
to
expect
from
minute
to
minute.
A
So
I've
known
her
we're
coming
up
almost
in
20
years.
She
is
the
consummate
professional
and
the
ultimate
Authority
on
these
issues.
Nationally
there
is
no
one
brighter
or
more
informed,
engaged
or
understanding
of
the
complexities
of
a
sociable
City
where
food
beverage,
entertainment,
theater,
Arts
culture,
all
of
that
intersect
and
the
importance
that
they
they
they
have
on
a
city
not
just
financially
but
largely
financially
in
the
tax
revenues
that
they
generate
at
a
time.
A
We
desperately
need
the
money
to
be
coming
in,
but
they
also
provide
for
a
reason
why
people
choose
to
live
in
the
city
right.
Why
do
you?
Why
do
you
choose
to
come
and
live
in
a
city?
You
want
to
First
make
sure
you
have
a
place
that
you
can
live.
That
is
Affordable
that
you
can
house
your
family
that
you
can
educate
your
kids.
If
you
have
choose
to
have
children,
you
can
further
your
own
education.
A
If
you
choose
to
further
your
education,
you
have
transportation
to
be
able
to
to
get
about
and
move
and
do
the
things
you
need
to
do.
But
if
you're
not
at
work
you're,
not
at
school
you're,
not
at
home,
you
want
to
have
a
place
to
be
able
to
socialize
in
and
be
entertained.
Correct,
always
you're
done
with
your
friends.
A
Secondly,
when
I
went
to
San
Francisco
to
meet
Allison
20
years
ago,
I
remember
wanting
to
go
to
City,
Hall
and
I
wanted
to
go
see
a
Harvey,
Milk
statue
and,
and
so
I
went
to
City,
Hall
and
I
would
imagine.
Everybody
here
has
seen
the
the
movie
Gone
With,
the
Wind
and
I
remember
going
to
City,
Hall
and
I.
Remember
reaching
this
Ark
and
looking
straight
ahead.
A
Hall,
looked
like
in
San
Francisco
from
homeless
population
30
years
ago,
and
I
remember
coming
back
and
saying
this
is
on
our
doorstep.
Now
is
the
time
to
address
what
will
be
our
future.
Of
course,
we
don't
do
that
in
local
government.
We
wait
until
it
is
an
emergency
situation.
It's
it,
it
is,
has
become
untenable
and
we
Scramble
for
short-term
Solutions
instead
of
long-term
productive
strategies
to
prevent
we're.
Always
in
this
we're
always.
A
All
right
so
anyway,
we
have
time
for
a
short
break.
Is
the
next
one
1
30
1
30.,
so
give
you
an
opportunity
to
grab
a
bite
to
eat?
I
know
we
have
police,
Fire,
EMS
and
animal
care
and
control
coming
up
starting
at
1
30.,
so
I
do
I
need
to
recess
I.
Do
counselor
can
have
a
motion
to
recess
and
I'll
second
and
we'll
recess.
A
Okay.
Welcome
back,
welcome
back
everyone
to
the
reconvened
budget,
hearings
for
Pittsburgh
city
council
for
today,
December
1st
of
2022.
I'm
councilman
Krause
I'll
be
chairing
this
afternoon's
Public
Safety
budget
hearings
and
I'm
joined
by
our
council
president
councilwoman
Teresa,
kale,
Smith
and
I'm
certain
we'll
be
joined
by
members
here
shortly.
So
with
that
Peter,
can
we
please
begin
with
the
Bureau
of
animal
care
and
control
and
go
through
your
budget
synopsis
for
that
department?
Absolutely.
B
The
mission
of
the
Department
of
Public,
Safety
Bureau
of
animal
care
and
control
is
to
serve
the
residents
of
the
city
of
Pittsburgh
by
providing
care,
control,
education
and
resolutions
to
situations
dealing
with
domestic
animals
and
Wildlife
a
quick
overview.
The
Bureau
of
animal
care
and
control
core
services
and
programs
include
title
six
of
the
Pittsburgh
units.
B
A
quick
summary
of
the
2023
budgeted
positions.
There
are
16
total
full-time
positions
that
have
an
overall
increase
of
about
60
or
37.
000
or
a
4.12
increase
and
a
summary
of
non-personnel
chart
changes.
There's
an
overall
forty
thousand
dollar
increase
in
non-personnel
expenses
coming
to
higher
forward
services
to
hire
a
shelter
consultant,
and
there
are
no
Capital
expenditures.
Perfect.
A
C
You
know
that
Bureau
of
animal
care
and
control
Works
diligently
to
assist
our
residents
every
day
with
any
issues
that
come
up
as
around
wildlife
and
trying
to
educate
folks
on
what
we
can
and
can't
do
and
what's
within
the
scope
of
the
city
and
what
their
the
Animal
Care
and
Control
Officers
are
permitted
to
do
it
by
law
as
well.
We.
G
C
P
Okay,
well,
we
added
our
15th
full-time
officer
this
year
that
will
really
help
as
far
as
being
able
to
increased
patrols
and
possibly
even
increase
officers
into
certain
areas
where
everyone
needed
officers
that
have
been
hired
this
year
have
pretty
much
all
past
their
training
already
I
do
have
two
that
are
still
in
training.
Hopefully,
they'll
be
ready
to
go
by
the
beginning
of
the
year
and
that'll.
A
Thank
you
I
appreciate
it.
Can
I
go
in
the
order
I
went
before
is.
Are
we
good
with
that?
Yeah?
Oh,
hey,
welcome.
Councilman
I
want
to
recognize
the
councilwoman
strasberger
has
joined
us
online.
We
are
here
today
with
councilwoman
council
president
Teresa
kale
Smith
and
councilwoman
Deborah
gross
council
president.
You
wish
to
make
comment.
E
Just
briefly,
thank
you,
councilman
and,
first
of
all,
thank
you
for
your
work
and
I
just
mentioned
briefly
to
to
director
Schmidt
that
we're
getting
a
lot
of
phone
calls
about
the
the
wildlife,
especially
deer
residents
and
I,
think
a
lot
of
people
are
hitting
deer
and
we're
seeing
them
all,
obviously
all
over
the
place,
and
it's
getting
like
really
concerning.
It's
also
really
concerning
what's
happening.
E
When
you
see
in
our
parks
and
how
the
wildlife,
or
you
know,
whittling
away
at
the
at
Schenley
Park
is
you
know,
article
I
read
and
that
it
can't
be
replenished.
You
know
you
know
any
time
to
save
the
park,
so
things
that
are
going
on
with
that
I
I,
just
I
want
to
know.
If
there's
any
conversations
about
addressing
some
of
the
wildlife
population,
that's
really
taking
over
a
lot
of
neighborhoods
and
how
you
can
do
it
in
a
way
that
you
know
keeps
everybody
happy.
E
E
And
so
what
I'm
hearing
is
a
lot
of
residents
just
want?
You
know
when
they
have
an
issue,
they
want
somebody
to
come
out
and
debate
the
problem.
They
don't
want
to
hear.
You
know
that
this
one
has
to
sign
off
or
that
one
has
they
just
want
something
done.
So
could
you
talk
just
a
little
bit
about
if
they're
doing
anything
differently
and
if
you're
buying
any
additional
traps,
or
anything
like
that
for
this
coming
budget
season?.
P
P
E
I
E
K
Made
an
official
request
to
see
if
I
could
pay
for
them
out
of
the
city
council,
Professional,
Services
budget
and
I
wasn't
able
to
figure
that
out,
but
next
time
you
know,
hopefully
we'll
we'll
try
to
figure
that
out
if
it
ever
gets
to
that
situation
again.
So
you're
now
saying
it's
still
a
two
week.
Yes.
P
F
K
So
as
the
city
we
were
told,
we
could
not
go
in
now
mind
you,
our
Public
Safety
broke
down
the
door
to
get
the
body
out
with
you
know
a
lot
of
thank
you
to
all
of
Public
Safety,
who
I
think
almost
every
Branch
was
represented
there
at
the
time.
But
then,
in
this
doing
months,
because
that
takes
three
months
to
get
through
probate
court.
There
was
no
one
to
sites.
There
was
no
owner
of
the
property
to
give
a
citation
to
to
go
on
and
treat
rodents.
We
tracked
down.
K
It
was
90
degrees
out
summer
time
and
that
that
Health
Public
Health
situation
in
that
little
townhouse
was
unaddressed.
I
tried,
County,
Health
right
or
tight
City.
No
one
would
go
in
there
and
imagine
the
conditions
in
there
right
and
so
all
of
the
neighbors
of
this
very
small
shared
wall.
Townhouse
row
were
unable
to
go
Outdoors
right.
K
This
population
that
aggressive
now
I
did
get
our
Animal
Care
controlled
to
respond
Thank
You
by
basically
mobilizing
30
residents
to
all
request
traps
at
the
same
time
and
get
to
the
top
of
the
list
so
because
that
was
how
many
people
were
affected,
but
that's
gruesome.
This
is
a
gruesome,
unacceptable
situation
right
and
so
I
think
it's
also
incumbent
on
all
of
our,
like
pli
and
Public
Safety,
to
figure
out
how
do
we
legally
enter
a
premises
when
this
is
situation
like
this
and
not
just
say
like?
No,
we
don't
do
that.
K
P
K
You
all
did
respond,
but
the
other
the
other
agencies
did
not
and
and
that
it
was
terrifying.
Honestly,
it
was
just
really.
It
was
Daylight
you're
right,
just
like
a
horror
scene
and
so
I
just
take
rats
very
seriously,
and
so
I'll
just
say
again
that
if
we
need
to
get
more
resources
to
get
another
contractor
because
of
Workforce
limitations,
we
should
do
that.
If
we
need
to
have
some
capacity
in-house,
we
should
do
that.
I,
I
I,
don't
think,
there's
anything
worse
for
a
city
than
to
have
a
significant
wrap
problem
right.
K
So
you
know
it's
honestly
of
all
that
we
deal
with
lots
and
lots
and
lots
of
issues
here,
but
this
is
a
that's
a
critical
public
health
issue
and
so
I
I'd
be
in
favor
of
that,
because
the
other
thing
that
maybe
didn't
happen
for
decades
and
I
you've
heard
me
say
this
now
kind
of
for
eight
years
that
there's
been
a
lot
of
Development
and
Construction
in
my
district,
more
so
than
other
parts
of
the
city.
Is
you
disturb
the
rodents
right?
K
P
K
P
K
T
Every
day,
I
really
appreciate
it
and
I
I
wanted
to
follow
up
on
the
council
president's
question
about
deer.
I
I
didn't
hear
an
answer
for
I'm.
Sorry,
if
I
missed
it,
what
what
is
our
overall
strategy
when
it
comes
to
handling
deer
overpopulation
that
we're
experiencing
in
our
in
our
Parks,
but
also
in
increasingly
in
neighborhoods.
T
Thank
you,
I
am
I.
Do
want
to
try
to
stay,
have
a
way
to
keep
city
council
involved
in
these
conversations.
I
look
forward
to
having
a
conversation
with
that
with
a
deputy
mayor
in
a
week
or
so
on
this
and
some
other
topics.
But
you
know,
council
members
are
getting
asked
about
this,
and
even
media
are
calling
us
and
asking
for
the
solution
and
it
you
know
as
you
as
we
all
know,
it
can't
be
a
district
by
District
solution.
T
It
has
to
be
a
city-wide
solution,
so
you
know
I'm
happy
to
be
at
the
table
for
these
conversations
or
to
help
you
liaison
to
help
keep
council
members
informed
or
to
have
just
all
of
counsel,
more
involved
in
this
issue,
because
I'm
sure
many
of
us
are
getting
these
calls,
but
thank
you
for
the
work
so
far.
I
look
forward
to
getting
brief
from
the
deputy
mayor
as
well
and
being
part
of
this
conversation.
L
You
how
can
I
forget
you
paste
it
on
my
head
for
you
next
time
next
time.
Welcome.
Thank
you
for
being
here.
Thank
you
for
the
work.
You
do.
Boyden
District
Seven.
It's
not
only
the
people,
but
the
rodents
are
being
displaced
as
well,
that's
correct,
but
to
kind
of
piggyback
off
what
councilwoman
gross
was
saying.
I
had
calls
many
calls
private
property,
nobody
living
there.
We
don't
know.
What's
inside
the
house,
you
know
in
her
case.
L
P
What's
going
on,
I
don't
know
if
the
health
department
would
actually
give
you
entry
or
not,
because
normally
it's
only
if,
as
as
councilwoman
cross
found
out
sorry
found
out
that
the
a
lot
of
times
you
won't,
you
won't
even
get,
they
won't
even
go
into
it
a
lot
of
times
it
actually
requires.
It
may
require
the
health
department.
Certainly
that's
true,
and
then
it
may
also
require
somebody
from
POI
to
send
an
inspector
over
and
everybody
work
together.
P
Oh,
they
certainly
are
more
prevalent
during
spring
and
summer.
That,
certainly
is
true.
I
mean
they
do
stay,
even
pretty
active.
We
get,
probably
even
nowadays,
we
probably
get
between
three
and
five
Road
Road
baiting
requests
per
day
right
now,
even
and
then
we've
actually
even
had
them
in
January
and
February.
So
but
they're
a
lot
more
prevalent,
probably
from
about
March
all
the
way
through
October.
P
The
source
you
bait
the
source
where
the
rack.
Well,
what
happens
is
the
poisoned
bait
in
the
Trap?
Doesn't
kill
the
rats
instantly
because
that
doesn't
really
do
anything
other
than
killing
one
or
two
rats.
What
it
does
is
when
they
go
to
eat
the
the
bait
it
gets
out
all
over
them
and
then
they
take
it
back
to
their
nest
and
it
spreads
to
everybody
else.
Yeah.
L
I
had
one
homeowner
hire
an
independent
contractor
just
because
she
couldn't
get
any
results
and
it
was
very
effective.
I
mean
I
think
he
used
debate
like
something
like
you
said
that
takes
it
back
to
the
nest
and
hopefully
destroys
the
entire
Nest.
Now
that
I
know
they're
all
coming
from
District,
Seven
I,
don't
know
what
the
to
address
this
yeah.
L
P
P
P
Own,
but
we
do
assist
when
they're
having
really
bad
problems
with
like
one
particular
dog
this
year
alone,
we've
been
there,
maybe
four
or
five
times
when
they've
had
really
aggressive
dogs
have
already
bitten
somebody
or
tried
to
bite
people
loose
and
they
weren't
able
to
get
them.
So
we
did
send
offices.
L
A
Thanks
councilman,
just
one
brief
question:
we'll
bring
our
other
invited
guests
up
director
when
we
do
demolition
part
of
it
is
asbestos
abatement,
LED
abatement,
what
all
one
other
and
then
rodent
as
well.
Is
that
part
of
the
contract?
Do
we
do
the
rodent
abatement
in
a
demolition
or
the
is
the
contractor
that
is
scheduled
to
do
the
demolition?
Is
that
part
of
their
contract?
Do
we
have.
I
A
E
I
just
want
us
to
say
briefly
that
we
had
a
situation
where
there
were
a
lot
of
rodents
in
a
house
and
no
one
wanted
to
go
into
the
building
and
commanders
that
let
the
police
go
in
and
then
they
gained
access
for
peona
and
other
things.
So
it
was.
She
thought
outside
the
box
a
little
bit
and
did
some
stuff,
but
so
you
can
go
in
and
actually
it's
my
understanding
from
back
when
director
house
was
here,
PL
Knight
can
go
into
a
building,
they
just
they
need
to
do
it.
That's
all.
A
You
very
much
David.
Thank
you
for
being
here
appreciate
your
time.
We
are
going
to
move
on
to
the
Bureau
of
emergency
right,
correct,
yep,
Emergency,
Medical,
Services,
I,
Know,
Chief
Romano
is
here
I
believe
he
has
invited
guests
come
up
to
the
to
the
table.
Please
and
Peter
I'm,
going
to
ask
you
if
you
would
read
us
the
budget
briefing
you
have
for
the
Department
of
Emergency
Medical
Services,
absolutely
welcome.
B
The
Bureau
of
emergency
emergency
medical
services
is
dedicated
to
the
reduction
of
morbidity
and
mortality
of
residents
and
visitors
through
the
provisions
of
advanced
and
basic
life,
support,
pre-hospital
care,
medically
directed
rescue
and
transportation
of
the
ill
and
injured
the
Bureau
of
Emergency
Medical
Services
is
dedicated
to
the
reduction.
That's
the.
B
A
G
G
And
thanks
to
all
the
EMS
Personnel
that
are
out
there
working
today
and
every
day,
amazing
work
that
they've
been
doing
numerous
numerous
saves
throughout
the
year
and
a
great
work.
Pittsburgh
EMS
received
the
bronze
plus
Mission
lifetime
Lifeline
award
this
year
for
2021
stemi
care.
It's
regarding
getting
a
basically
a
heart
attack
patient
to
the
hospital
and
getting
into
the
cath
lab
and
a
record
amount
of
time.
G
Pandemic
operations
are
still
in
progress,
maybe
not,
as
in
the
in
the
news,
still
probably
well
over
three
thousand,
that
we've
transported
confirmed
cases
numerous
that
we
don't
know
about,
probably
that
we
don't
get
feedback
from
that
continues.
As
you
know,
we've
had
great
success
with
our
stroke
project
that
was
implemented
for
this
year.
As
we
addressed
last
year.
G
That's
leaving
cribs
behind
when
one
of
our
crews
sees
that,
maybe
an
infant
doesn't
have
the
proper
sleeping
area
to
you
know
so
somebody
so
an
infant
doesn't
suffocate,
not
sleeping
in
proper.
You
know
bad
we've
had
a
95
to
97
survival
rate
for
penetrating
trauma
which
we've
through
the
last
year
as
we
talked
about
the
chassis,
are
ordered
also
so
once
again,
thank
you
for
your
support.
Council.
N
Just
wanted
to
add,
with
the
initiatives
that
we
have
accomplished,
we've
also
been
working
very
hard
with
the
Pittsburgh
Public
Schools
to
help
diversify
the
Bureau
of
EMS,
along
with
other
other
pre-hospital
care
programs
around
the
city.
So
that's
one
good
thing
that
we're
really
proud
of
as
well.
Thanks.
A
E
President
Gail
Smith
well,
first
of
all
thank
you
to
EMS
you're,
one
of
the
you're,
just
an
amazing
group
of
people,
and
we
do.
We
appreciate
all
the
work
that
you
do
and
I
really
appreciate
that
you
didn't
move
out
of
the
city,
so
I'll
make
sure
I.
Add
that
part.
So
thank
you
for
that.
But
I
do
want
to
ask
a
little
bit
about
the
training
when
you
talked
about
training.
E
Really
like,
like
more
of
a
concentrated
effort
that
you
know,
we
make
sure
that
we're
getting
to
every
Athletic
Association
that
everyone's
trained
in
that
area
and
I'm
wondering
if
you
maybe
consider
working
with
DPW
or
who
has
the
permits
to
make
sure
that
those
as
we're
issuing
permits
that
people
have
went
through
the
training,
because
we
did
have
someone
in
our
district
who
got
a
young
child
who
died
on
the
field
and
having
had
they
had
that
training
in
advance.
I'm
sure
that
could
would
probably
be
here
today.
So
I
just
think.
N
We
have
the
capacity
to
train
a
lot
of
the
Departments
around
the
city,
which
we
do
do
we
give
them
CPR
and
AED
training
when
requested.
So
we
try
to
do
the
best
that
we
can,
as
well
as
with
our
community
outreach
program.
We
have
our
paramedics
that
are
working
the
field
go
out
and
teach
basic
first
aid.
So
if
that
answers.
E
I
think
it
does,
but
I
think
I
would
I
think
what
I'm
looking
for
is
maybe
more
of
a
an
organized
effort
that
you're
making
sure
that
there's
an
attempt
to
as
we
line
up
the
permits
before
we
issue
permits
people
have
their
their
clearances,
as
we
make
sure
they
have
their
clearances
to
make
sure
they
have
the
rosters.
They
make
sure
we
make
sure
that
they
have
their
training.
That.
E
C
C
Yeah,
our
EMA
staffs,
also
starting
to
do
some
of
those
initiatives
working
closely
with
our
bureaus
in
supplementing,
as
as
they
can
to
help
support
those
initiatives.
But
we
we
have
some
things
working
and
hopefully
we
can
work
to
develop
them
and
if
there
are
additional
needs,
we'll
definitely
come
back
to
council
and
let
you
know
thank.
E
T
I
T
Thank
you,
Chief
and
and
your
crew
for
all
that
you
do.
Your
truly
amazing
work
day
in
and
day
out
and
I
know
that
I've
been
told
that
it
takes
mentally
and
emotionally.
So
thank
you
for
all
for
the
work
you
do
every
day.
I
really
just
have
one
quick
question:
I
see
that
there's
490
000
increase
in
funding
for
Workforce
training.
F
H
K
I
I
don't
have
any
questions
overall,
which
is
wonderful.
Thank
you
for
that.
But
I
do
I'm
going
to
ask
everybody
about
the
page
that
we
have
in
our
binder.
There
are
a
variety
of
trust
funds
throughout
Public
Safety,
and
my
page
in
front
of
me
for
EMS
says
that
there
is
a
balance
of
1.8
million
in
the
reimbursable
event
trust
fund.
Do
you
want
to
just
tell
the
public
kind
of
what
that
is,
and
and
what
does
it
do
there.
G
The
we
are
contractor
we're
paid
from
the
venue's
major
professional
teams,
colleges
and
high
schools,
the
city,
schools,
Etc,
and
that
money
is
then
paid
into
that
trust
fund
so
that
when
payroll
is
made,
it
comes
out
of
that
trust
fund.
Also.
What
we're
able
to
do
with
that
monies
is
to
buy
additional
special
event
units
equipment
and
things
like
that
for
the
to
keep
that
so
it's
not
being
paid
out
of
the
normal
budget.
K
G
K
We
were
a
municipality
in
Allegheny
County
that
did
not
have
three
large
Sports
Arenas
and
did
not
have
four
or
five
universities
and
did
not
have
large
hospitals
where
they're
special
we're
hosting
special
events.
We
might
have
a
much
more
even
killed
operating
budget
that
would
go
maybe
through
some
Cycles,
but
that
we
do
have
these
very
large
public,
Gatherings
and
large
events.
Others
kinds
of
has
these
swings,
and
so
we
are
holding
income
here
for
when,
like
exceptional
income
for
to
pay
out
for
when
we
have
exceptional
expenses,.
K
We
always
sort
of
the
body
which
pays
itself
we'd
like
to
remind
the
public
that
the
city
of
Pittsburgh
is
paying
for
hosting
the
large
events
and
the
celebrations
and
the
Gathering
spaces
for
the
region,
not
really
just
the
county,
and
so
sometimes
that's
a
little
tough
and
it's
the
kind
of
places
where
I
can
almost
imagine
I'm
just
going
to
speak
out
a
turn,
and
you
don't
have
to
respond
that
I
think
we
don't
get
rad
funding
for
something
like
our
Public
Safety
responses
to
very
large
events.
But
why
not?
K
L
Thank
you,
Mr
chair,
thank
you
for
being
here.
Chief
assistant
chief
I
appreciate
it.
I
just
want
to
I,
don't
I,
don't
really
have
a
lot
of
questions.
I
will
say:
I
believe
our
Public
Safety
across
the
board,
whether
we're
talking
about
our
Police
Department,
the
paramedics,
the
fire
company,
or
you
know,
firefighters.
You
know
really
the
most
well-trained
best
in
the
country.
I
believe
you
know
we
have
standard
of
professionalism,
I
see
it
all
the
time
throughout
the
different
bureaus
at
and
yours
is
no
different.
L
G
We
we
had
budgeted
for
this
year,
two
two
remounts
for
2022
and
then
there's
some
adjunct
vehicles
that
have
been
cut
already
for
next
year,
but
there's
still
five
paramedic
units
chassis
on
the
the
the
budget.
Hopefully-
and
the
problem
is
that
we
have
not
gotten
this
year's
chassis,
yet
they're
ordered
but
they're
they're
not
being
manufactured
when.
I
L
L
Good
good
deal,
councilwoman
strasberger,
mentioned
about
the
we're
asked
about
the
the
money
towards
the
training
for
the
divers
and
the
equipment
for
the
divers.
I
knew
some
of
your
divers
since
retired
Dan,
Capitola
I,
don't
know
if
you
remember
Danny
yeah,
oh,
is
he
still
with
you?
Oh?
Is
that
right?
It's
like
in
a
soft
spot.
F
L
L
The
river:
that's
that's
what
I
wanted
to
hit
on
actually
because
I
know
from
talking
in
my
many
conversations
with
him.
You
cannot
see
your
hand
in
front
of
your
face
when
you're
underwater
in
a
river
and
I
know
that
from
swimming
in
the
river
as
a
kid
as
well.
But
what
what
are
they
dispatched
out
to
dive?
Is
it
always
when
somebody
is
missing?
Somebody
jumps
off
a
bridge
and
is
missing?
L
G
G
L
Right
yeah
yeah
because
of
my
conversations
with
Danny
I
I,
know
that's
a
dangerous
job
and
it
needs
a
lot
of
training
and
the
right
equipment
and
it's
a
must
to
have
in
a
city
with
Three
Rivers.
That's
for
sure!
So!
Okay!
No!
That's
it
for
me
thanks!
You
guys
do
a
great
job
appreciate
you
being
here.
A
G
A
A
A
A
I
A
B
The
Pittsburgh
Bureau
of
fire
encourages
all
Personnel
to
take
a
proactive
role
in
reducing
the
impact
from
emergencies
by
providing
programs
related
to
fire
prevention,
public
education,
community
relations,
risk
reduction,
disaster
planning,
Homeland,
Security
and
operational
training.
All
services
provided
to
the
residents
and
visitors
of
the
city
of
Pittsburgh,
the
county
of
Allegheny
and
the
Commonwealth
of
Pennsylvania
will
be
delivered
in
the
most
professional
manner
to
the
best
of
their
abilities.
A
quick
overview
of
the
Bureau
of
fire
includes
four
divisions:
the
administration,
operations
planning
and
training
and
risk
management.
B
A
quick
position
summary
for
the
2023
budget,
there's
a
total
of
670
full-time
positions,
which
includes
a
total
of
667
uniformed
employees.
A
quick
summary
of
non-personnel
changes,
there's
an
overall
increase
of
173
596
dollars,
and
some
other
changes
include
150
000,
additional
for
operational
supplies
and
quick
Capital
overview.
All
capital
items
under
are
under
public
safety
administration,
but
the
equipment
leasing.
Authority
contains
funding
for
eight
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
a
mobile
air
compressor
and
977
241
dollars
for
fire
truck
lease.
B
A
U
All
right,
2022
has
been
an
exciting
year
for
us.
We've
done
made
some
great
strides
this
year.
We
have
some
challenges
that
we're
facing
for
in
the
future,
but
we're
geared
up
to
meet
those
challenges
over
this
past
year.
We're
getting
ready
to
graduate
our
recruit
class
tomorrow
morning
excited
about
that.
U
We
also
provide
fire
suppression,
services
for
Wilkinsburg
and
Ingram
burrow,
so
Saturday
we're
collaborating
with
the
Red
Cross
for
a
sound
the
alarm
event
after
the
recent
tragic
fire
in
Wilkinsburg,
where
two
young
children
died,
we're
going
to
Blitz
that
neighborhood
with
a
smoke
detective
program
on
Saturday
this
past
year.
We
also
after
the
barrier
study
which
gave
us
some
insight
into
why
we're
having
such
a
hard
time
with
diversity.
As
far
as
women,
firefighters,
we
did
the
girls
Fire
camp
this
past
summer,
which
was
a
huge
success.
U
We're
gearing
up
to
do
two
of
those
in
2023
and
we've
also
working
with
local
one
of
iaff
received
licensure
for
the
CPAP,
which
is
the
Physical
Agility
Test
pass
that's
been
proven
to
be
gender
neutral
and
so
we're
hoping
that
the
human
resources
will
be
able
to
fund
that
for
us
and
that's
a
collaboration
between
the
city,
local
one
and
Allegheny
County.
For
that,
so
we're
making
some
progress
and
I'll
I'll
turn
it
over
to
Brian
to
talk
about
our
apparatus.
For
me,.
V
Good
afternoon,
thank
you
as
we.
We
currently
have
two
aerial
apparatus
under
contract
that
are
in
process
being
constructed,
and
we
were
working
with
the
ELA
for
the
final
execution
of
a
contract
on
four
pump
apparatus
and
in
addition,
there
are
some
small
vehicles
that
we're
we're
working
to
get
under
contract
in
cooperation
with
the
ELA.
A
E
You
Mr
President,
you
have
the
fort.
Thank
you
so
much.
First
of
all,
thank
you
for
your
work.
You
know
I
appreciate
you,
I
call
you
Chief
all
the
time
and
director
for
fire
trucks
and
firemen
firefighters
for
different
events
across
our
district,
and
you
never
fail,
and
especially
Lisa
Epps
she's,
been
amazing.
I
just
want
to
say
that
Lisa
Epps
has
been
amazing,
I
think
she's
going
to
be
difficult
to
replace
when
she
ever
decides
to
you
know
to
leave,
but-
and
she
started
the
girls
camps
as
well.
E
U
E
V
V
E
U
T
U
So
the
the
barrier
study
identified
three
main
barriers.
One
was
just
a
lack
of
understanding
or
knowledge
about
the
fire
service
and
what
we
do.
The
second
one
was
the
Physical
Agility
Test
and
the
third
one
was
The
Residency
requirement.
We
it's
kind
of
hard
to
recruit
someone
to
come
to
the
city
of
Pittsburgh,
on
the
hope
that
they
might
get
a
job.
So,
according
to
previous
rules
and
regulations,
you
had
to
be
a
resident
of
the
city
one
year
prior
to
application.
So
all
three
of
those
things
have
been
addressed.
U
The
girls
Camp,
along
with
Pittsburgh
Public
Schools
CTE
program
at
Westinghouse,
is
addressing
the
idea
of
hey.
This
is
a
great
job.
It's
not
just
about
you
seeing
us
coming
out
of
the
building
with
black
stuff
coming
out
of
our
noses
and
we've
risk-liked
and
limb.
There's
there's
so
much
more
to
it
than
that.
The
part
about
the
Physical
Agility
Test
is
being
addressed
with
the
CPAP
it.
U
The
c-pad
has
been
challenged
all
the
way
up
to
the
Supreme
Court
and
has
survived
those
challenges
as
being
a
a
fit
and
proper
exam
for
firefighter
recruits,
and
the
last
one
is
the
residency
requirement.
That's
been
lifted
now,
and
so
we
can
actively
go
out
and
recruit
people
to
come
to
Pittsburgh
show
them
what
a
great
City
we
are,
what
a
great
fire
Bureau.
We
have
a
Shameless
plug
there
and
entice
them
to
come
and
be
a
part
of
our
team.
T
Q
T
U
Now,
or
should
we
we
put
that
so
for
starters,
if
you're
going
to
have
a
more
diverse
Bureau,
we're
going
to
need
separate
Comfort
quarters
for
females,
whether
it
be
showers
sleeping
quarters,
things
like
that,
that
need
to
be
done.
We
have
some
very
old
stations.
Some
of
our
fire
stations
still
have
the
trap,
doors
and
the
roof
where
they
kept
the
hay
for
the
horses
we
have
stations
ordered
in
some
states
in
this
country.
So
that's
going
to
take
some
Capital
to
bring
those
up
to
a
more
Modern
Standard.
T
Look
forward
to
seeing
being
some
of
those
proposals
in
the
future
too,
because
I
can
only
imagine
you
know
being
someone
who
is
excited
to
join
the
bureau
and
ready
to
go
and
feeling
welcomed
and
then
getting
to
a
station
and
realizing
that
I'm
sort
of
like
a
second
class
citizen
within
the
confines
of
that
building
right,
so
I
think
that'll
be
a
hugely
important
piece
of
it,
not
all
of
it,
obviously,
but
something
that
I'm
willing
to
support
in
the
future.
Thank
you.
K
Thank
you,
Mr
chair,
thank
you.
Chief
I
think
I'm
going
to
follow
up
on
the
question
that
councilman
strasberger
was
just
asking
because
I
feel,
like
we've
been
talking
of.
We've
talked
about
this
before
right,
so
we
know
the
engine
houses.
The
stations
have
been
in
bad
shape.
Council's
allocated
significant
funds,
some
stations
have
been
worked
on,
and
so
maybe,
if
you
could
give
us
a
high
level,
this
is
you
know
not
operating
budget,
but
it's
capital
budget
for
fire.
K
F
K
U
U
K
K
U
Done
we
usually
go
by
the
where
we
find
complaints
or
some
safety
concerns,
because,
aside
from
these
making
additional
facilities
for
different
the
different
different
for
females,
we
also
have
safety
concerns.
There
may
be
uneven
sidewalks
or
driveways
there.
We
had
a
serious
problem
with
drainage
and
sewage
in
station
13
that
took
a
while
station.
20
is
actually
in
a
flood
zone
and
we're
looking
and
I
know.
There's
been
plans
and
drawings
set
up
for
a
new
station
out
in
the
Hayes
area.
Hayes
Lincoln,
Place
area.
F
U
K
I
mean
it's
tough
right,
we're
having
the
same
kind
of
Workforce
issues,
but
we're
lucky
I
think
we're
grateful
to
see
additional
employees
in
DPW.
I've
argued
before
that
when
we're
doing
kind
of
reconstruction
of
the
city
or
of
our
own
City
facilities
that
we,
you
know,
isn't
just
regular
maintenance,
because
God
knows
we
didn't
do
the
maintenance
for
30
years
and
I
was
really
like
rebuilding
that
you
can't
have
as
kind
of
skeleton
staff
and
do
it
all
with
subcontractors.
You
really
need
to
like
have
we're
building
things.
K
We
need
to
have
our
own
staff
to
build
it.
It's
actually
more
cost
effective,
but
so
I'll
ask
director
hornstein
about
that.
But
I
think
what
I'll
add
in
my
own
two
cents
is
that
the
complaint
driven
system
of
course
has
merits,
because
when
there's
something
critical
happening,
that
we
need
to
respond
to
it.
But
if
we
don't
have
female
firefighters
to
make
the
complaints
about
gender
adequate
conversations,
and
maybe
that
shouldn't
be
a
complaint-based
prioritization.
So.
U
That
should
just
have
its
own
work
schedule.
Answering
your
question.
You
were
saying:
what
do
we
do?
Yeah
when
we're
dealing
with
DPW?
They
know
about
those
things.
So
that's
the
that's
40
000
foot
view
that's
overarching.
They
know
that
that
has
to
be
done.
The
immediate
things
that
we're
working
on
is
what
I
meant
by
when
I
said:
complaint
problems,
boilers,
garage
doors,
there's,
there's
a
plethora.
U
K
C
They've
started:
I
have
to
check
with
DPW
with
director
hornstein
on
the
status
of
it,
but
I
know
as
about
a
month
ago,
they
were
convening
with
a
group
of
female
firefighters,
so
they
would
have
input
on
what
those
facilities
would
look
like
what
they
would
be
comfortable
with
and
how
we
can
kind
of
I
mean
essentially
because
we
can't
build
30
new
fire
stations.
What
can
we
realistically
do?
That
is,
makes
everyone
feel
comfortable
acceptable.
C
K
Great,
that's
what
we
I
think
like
to
hear
and
if
we
can
be
helpful
on
figuring
out
how
to
get
there.
You
know
we
need
to
have
that
conversation.
We
can
have
that
conversation
with
DPW
too
I'm.
Just
going
to
note
that
I,
just
flipped
to
my
pages
of
trust
funds
and
fire
does
not
have
a
trust
fund,
not
in
front
of
me
all
right,
just
just
checking
all
right.
That's
all
I
have
Mr.
K
Also
really
appreciate
it
being
invited
to
fire
Ops
this
last
year
and
it
was
a
really
intense
experience
and
I
did
all
of
the
things
and
I
I
actually
was
able
to
walk
the
next
day
and
I
was
surprised
because
I
really
I
actually
was
really
scared.
That
I
was
going
to
hurt
myself
and
but
thank
you
all
to
Staffing
us
really
well.
I
did
not
actually
hurt
myself,
but
it
was
very
intense.
It
was
a
really
good
experience.
So
thank
you
for
inviting
me.
L
L
L
U
L
L
L
I
understood,
maybe
we
could
change
that,
but
with
collecting
with
the
collective
bargaining
unit
to
be
by
gender,
at
least
in
this
case,
because
you
know
it
just
makes
sense.
Okay
enough
about
that
recruitment,
class
I'll,
be
there
tomorrow,
how
many
we
31
31!
Okay
did
we
have
a,
for
instance,
with
the
police
we
went,
you
know
under
the
Purdue
Administration
I
think
we
went
two
or
three
years
without
a
recruitment
class,
have
we've
gone
without
a
recruitment
class
through
covet
or
anything.
L
U
L
U
We're
doing
better,
we
still
we
just
like
here.
We
need
more
okay,
we
understand
how
tight
the
money
is.
We
get
that,
but
we're
working
hard
to
standardize
the
fleet
we're
almost
there
I've
been
working
on
that
since
the
15
years
I've
been
here,
the
standardize
the
fleet,
so
that
be
a
first
vehicle
services,
can
keep
one
set
of
parts
for
everything,
whereas
before
we
had
a
hodgepodge
and
everybody
wanted
to,
if
it
was
cheap,
then
it
was
for
us
and
that
not
necessarily
the
way
it
should
work.
U
It
has
to
meet
the
qualifications
and
requirements
for
us
to
do
our
mission.
So
our
rigs
are
custom
built
their
the
specifications.
They
are
very
rugged.
The
the
manufactured
the
vendor,
we're
using
now
have
been
very
good
about
that.
We
have
actually
have
rigs.
That's
been
on
the
road
now
12
15
years
still
front
line.
U
That's
not
the
way
we
want
to
do
it,
that's
not
ideal,
but
it
is
what
it
is
and
so
we're
doing.
Okay
with
that,
but
do
we
need?
Could
we
use
more?
Yes,
sure?
Yes,
we
don't
have
we're
always
running
out
and
not
having
spares
and
there's
been
times
when
we've
actually
had
to
put
an
engine
crew
in
a
pickup
truck,
or
something
like
that,
because
we
just
didn't
have
any
spares
to
put
anything
anybody
in
that
that
caused
from
some
high
anxiety
whenever
you
have
that
problem.
Sure.
L
I
know
probably
across
the
board,
but
I
feel
like
your
department,
you
know
being
First
Responders.
You
need
to
have
the
necessary
Vehicles,
whether
they
be
smaller
or
the
pumper
trucks
or
whatever.
So
I'll
do
my
best.
As
far
as
you
know,
equipment,
leasing,
Authority
board
goes
I
know
that
you
had
some
issues
with
some
former
pumper
Chucks
again.
This
goes
back
to
the
former
Administration,
who
made
a
deal
with
a
company
that
we
weren't
happy
with
because
it
didn't
meet
your
standards.
That
has
all
been
corrected.
Yes,
correct,
yes,
good
I!
L
Good
to
go
good,
good,
good
and
I
believe
this
Administration
will
be
taking
your
lead
and
Ralphie
Sakura's,
lead
I,
believe
in
these
things,
because
you
know
better
than
somebody
is
sitting
at
this
table.
What
kind
of
equipment
you
need.
So
that's
what
I
rely
on.
So
thank
you
for
that.
Just
one
last
thing,
I
had
a
couple
folks
tell
me
that
they
had
in
a
budget
I
believe
originally
or
you
had
a
request.
I
should
say
for
the
budget
for
a
person
in
inventory.
V
We
did
have
a
request
for
an
Indus
inventory
assistant
to
support
the
the
work
of
our
Public
Safety
Warehouse.
Our
our
folks
really
do
a
phenomenal
work.
Job
of
supporting
not
only
the
Bureau
of
fire,
but
also
the
Department
of
Public
Safety,
and
our
sister
sister
bureaus
We've,
encountered
some
workplace
injuries,
some
out
of
workplace
injuries
and
some
illnesses
that
have
really
just
strapped
or
or
Staffing
at
the
warehouse
and
our
ability
to
serve
serve
the
bureau.
L
Right,
that's
I'm
glad
you
brought
that
up
so
inventory.
What
they
do
in
inventory
is
making
sure
you
have
the
right
amount
of
every
piece
of
equipment
you
carry
correct
and
that
way
we
know
what
you
need
and
we
know
what
we
need
to
fund
right.
It
is.
We
need
this
assistant
inventory
worker
as
that
director,
Smith
I'm.
Sorry,
I
don't
mean
to
leave
you
out
of
this
conversation,
but
I
should
ask
you.
You
know,
I
know
that
they
had
put
in
for
a
request.
L
We
couldn't
get
that
in
there.
That's
that's
a
shame.
It
really
is
it's
a
small
amount
for
somebody,
that's
for
a
job,
that's
very
important!
So,
okay,
not
too
late
I
guess
we
could
try
to
work
on
that
right
all
right.
So,
if
you're
telling
us
that
we
need
that
position,
we
could
try
to
work
out
into
the
you
know
program
here.
J
J
U
So,
basically
is
you
should
have
people
who
are
subject
matter
experts
making
the
suggestion
on
what
is
needed.
In
that
particular
case,
the
previous
administration
was
sold
basically
a
bill
of
goods.
They
were
told
that
this
is
just
as
good
and
look
how
much
cheaper
it
is,
and
oh
by
the
way,
in
order
to
get
this
deal
you
have
to
sign
by
tomorrow.
U
So
within
I
was
actually
on
vacation.
When
that
happened
and
was
notified
that
hey,
we
got
your
new
trucks.
This
is
what
you're
getting
no
one
consulted
me
on
our
needs
or
anything,
and
when
I
asked
for
the
specifications
on
the
truck
I
was
given
what
that
was
called
a
stripper
sheet,
which
kind
of
looks
like
a
window
sticker
at
the
car
dealership,
which
didn't
go
into
any
detail
by
time.
U
I
was
able
to
finally
get
a
the
specifications
and
review
the
specs
I
rejected
this
wholeheartedly
that
okay,
they're
cheaper,
but
that's
about
it
so
and
I
was
beat
up
pretty
good
about
I
should
accept
these
because
they
were
cheaper.
I
said
well,
thank
you.
You
bought
me
a
spoon,
but
I
need
a
hammer,
and
these
this
is
just
not
going
to
work.
So
that's
that's,
basically
how
it
happened.
So.
U
I
think
that
original
one
they
were
coming
out
at
600
000,
a
piece
that's
right
or
something
like
that
and
the
reason
they
were
so
cheap.
Is
you
get
what
you
pay
for?
They,
the
the
metals
that
they
were
built
out
of,
was
thinner.
There
was
components
not
missing.
There
were
things
that
we've
already
deemed
to
be
unsafe,
that
weren't,
you
know
safety
issues
that
weren't
included
in
them
and
then
it
just
it
just
went
downhill
from
there.
J
D
L
L
L
They
need
not
only
that
it
doesn't
give
them
a
rate.
You
know
everything
on
it
that
they
needed
and
to
much.
To
my
surprise,
that
was
the
the
breaking
tie
vote,
which
I
couldn't
believe
I
still
can't
believe
at
this
time
and
I'm
thankful
that
I
was
there,
but
going
forward
I
had
said
and
I
talked
to
Ralph
Sakura
on.
This
is
absolutely
they
need
to
be
in
on
the
conversation
they
need
to
tell
us
what
is
sufficient
and
what
is
not
not
us
tell
them
and
I
know
this.
L
D
A
J
C
C
C
F
J
D
A
D
I
U
A
So
the
and
it
actually
relates
to
fire
extinguishers-
I
had
a
friend,
very
good
friend,
long
story
short
set.
His
house
on
fire
burning
candles
falling
asleep.
This
had
to
happen
10
or
15
years
ago
that
year
he
bought
everybody,
a
new
fire
extinguishers
as
a
Christmas
present
and
I've
never
been
without
a
fire
extinguisher
from
that
moment
on
having
basement
first
for
second
floor
attic
always
but
they
expire.
You
know
and
I,
don't
know.
A
If
people
really
understand
that
the
compression
it
leaves
after
a
certain
period
of
time,
and
it
will
say
on
the
gauge
now,
there
was
a
time
I
actually
used
to
take
it
to
24
and
ask
them
to
recycle
or
to
recharge.
Now
this
was
years
ago,
and
they
were
able
to
do
it,
but
they're,
not
anymore
they're.
No,
they
CA
they're,
not
rechargeable,
and
you
have
to
replace
them,
but
I
also,
don't
believe
they're
recyclable
and
that's
the
real
question.
Would
you
even
know
that
if,
if.
U
A
I
A
Track
it
I'm
really
I'm.
Just
really
it's
not
your
fault
but
anyways,
but
I'm
just
really
discouraged
to
hear
that,
because
of
the
importance
that
every
home
should
have
multiple
fire
extinguishers
and
when
you
think
about
it
and
the
lifespan
of
it
and
where
It
ultimately
ends
up
when
it's
no
longer
usable
I'm,
just
wondering
if
there
is
a
and
I'm
not
suggesting
this
for
for
a
minute,
but
I'm
just
wondering
if
that
might
be
part
of
the
smoke
detector
program
as
well.
At
some
point
in
time.
A
A
I
A
E
A
They
do
we
really
should
find
some
way
of
doing
that.
Okay,
if
you're
a
belief,
we
can't
talk
now
Bureau
of
police.
We
have
our
acting
Chief
Thompson
grecky
with
us
inviting
guests
as
well.
Chief
we're
going
to
start
with
our
budget
director
reading
a
brief
synopsis
and
then
we'll
take
a
presentation
and
open
it
to
members
for
the
comments.
B
Course,
through
the
commitment
to
Professional
Service
to
all
the
Bureau
of
police,
is
a
source
of
Pride
for
our
city
and
a
benchmark
for
policing
Excellence.
The
Bureau
of
police
stands
to
ready
to
protect
human
life,
serve
without
reservation
or
favor,
stand
as
partners
with
all
and
help
all
communities.
Live,
Free,
From
Fear,
the
Bureau
of
police,
is
divided
into
the
chief's
office
in
three
branches.
Administrative
investigations
and
operations.
B
There's
a
total
of
953
full-time
employees
included
in
the
2023
operating
budget,
which
includes
a
total
of
900
uniformed
employees
budgeted
for
the
2023
year
and
a
quick
summary
of
non-personnel
changes.
There's
an
overall
150,
553
dollar
increase
some
minor
decreases,
but
209
thousand
dollars
was
added
in
machinery
and
and
equipment
to
account
for
37
Fleet
cameras.
B
As
far
as
capital
goes,
all
capital
projects,
like
the
other
bureaus
fall
under
the
Department
of
Public
Safety.
However,
there
is
five
million
356
000
in
bond
funds,
as
we
noted
with
fire
for
the
fire
station
8
and
zone
five
construction
and
16
about
16
million
dollars
in
Grant
funds
for
radios
for
all
bureaus.
A
S
S
They
have
gone
the
extra
effort
to
respond
to
calls
investigate
crimes
and
resolve
some
high-profile
crimes
very
quickly.
Our
focus
is
on
the
reduction
in
violence.
We're
working
on
a
number
of
initiatives
and
I
am
hopeful
that,
with
the
hiring
classes
and
2023
that
we
can
hopefully
get
up
to
our
budgeted
strength
and
provide
better
service
to
the
residents.
S
A
A
E
E
E
Do
you
feel
comfortable
saying
that
you
know
what
you
think
we
could
be
doing
differently
or
or
what
we
should
be
doing
sure?
Okay,
I,
don't
want
to
put
you
in
a
position
to
say
something
you
don't
feel
comfortable
saying
either.
So
if
you
do
feel
uncomfortable,
just
we'll
have
a
different
conversation.
S
S
An
example
of
one
area
that
the
bureau
has
been
working
on
has
been
255
East,
Ohio
Street,
where
someone
committed
a
lot
of
resources
to
to
Patrol
Zone.
One
also
worked
with
the
investigations
branch
on
a
long-term
strategy
to
conduct
investigations
in
that
area
and
the
individuals
responsible
for
some
of
the
violence
in
that
area
and
over
the
course
of
time
they
have
made
arrests.
S
S
We're
also
working
with
the
the
Public
Safety
Director's
office
and
the
mayor's
office
with
the
office
of
community
health
and
safety.
The
reach
teams
to
try
to
identify
people
that
may
need
resources
that
maybe
not
responsible
for
the
crime,
but
maybe
contributing
to
some
of
the
disruptive
or
nuisance
activities
in
those
areas
so
that
we
can
get
them
stabilized
so
that
they
don't
further
further
contribute
to
the
decline
of
those
those
areas.
E
But
when
you
see
the
increase
in
crime
and
the
increase
in
shootings
and
homicides
that
are
disproportionately
affecting
the
black
community,
I
think
we
need
to
review
the
policies
and
seeing
what
we're
doing
if
it's
not
working,
we
need
to
rethink
what
we
are
doing,
and
so
it's
concerning
to
me
that
there's
so
many
young
people
I
mean
the
kids
are
getting
younger
and
younger.
Their
Shooters
and
I
mean
honestly
I'm
at
the
point
where
I'm
thinking
we
should
do
some
of
the
stuff.
The
violence,
funds,
trust
fund,
money
and
open
a
place.
E
There's
somebody
there
to
help
them
with
either
Social
Services
make
sure
the
police
is
that
you
know
some
kind
of
some
kind
of
safety
there,
so
that
there's
doesn't
become
a
place
where
people
were
shot
and
just
just
any
kind
of
resources
that
we
think
that
would
be
helpful
to
people
coming
in
at
all
hours
of
the
day
and
I.
Just
think
we
need
to
rethink
something
here
or
to
add
something
in
here.
A
little
bit
different.
That.
E
I
I
just
think
that
would
be
just
good
to
so
I
I
am
I,
am
working
on
that
and
looking
into
that
with
the
administration
with
others
to
see
what
we
can
do
to
make
that
happen.
What's
actually
needed
and
director
I'll
work
with
you
on
that.
As
you
know,
I
just
brought
it
up
a
few
weeks
ago.
Well,
I
brought
it
up
initially
when
the
mayor
first
ran
and
then
I
brought
it
up
again
recently.
So
I
think
it's
a
conversation.
E
S
I
believe
there's
an
incident
downtown,
there's
a
fight
with
juveniles,
when
the
officers
were
doing
that
some
of
the
juveniles
got
confrontational
and
they're
aggressive
with
the
officers
and
assaultive
and
during
that
arrest,
I
believe
that
there's
another
individual
that
may
have
fled
and
dropped
a
gun
which
discharged
and
officers
were
able
to
make
an
arrest
on
that.
My.
E
Concerns
are
that
the
numbers
are
getting
so
low
that
either
an
instance
going
to
happen
because
officers
are
being
forced
to
work
overtime.
And
then,
since
it's
going
to
happen,
where
you
know,
maybe
they
use
their
gun
at
a
time
that
they
shouldn't
or
maybe
would
have
resisted
a
little
bit.
Maybe
the
timing
may
not
be
you
know,
maybe
they
just
didn't
calculate
it
right
or
something.
S
I
think
that
once
our
numbers
get
up
to
budgeted
strength,
I'd
like
to
have
a
Academy
class
similar
to
what
chief
Jones
have
mentioned
to
to
be
in
training,
so
that
when
people
do
retire,
resign
or
move
on
that,
we're
always
able
to
keep
a
full
allotment
of
officers.
Hopefully
minimize
the
amount
of
hours
officers
have
to
work,
whether
that's
voluntary
over
time
or
forced
over
time,
and
by
keeping
a
a
full
complement
of
officers,
then
we
can
have
more
officers
on
the
street.
E
S
Yes,
so
we
still
have
a
community
engagement
office.
It
consists
of
a
sergeant
and
five
officers,
and
each
Zone
also
has
to
community
resource
officers
in
the
field,
to
focus
in
on
the
Community
engagement
and
also
maybe
long
term
issues.
I
know
that
many
of
them
have
deployed
to
the
areas
where
skulls,
let
out
try
to
to
keep
a
lid
on
what
goes
on
after
school,
make
sure
that
things
are
calm
and
reduce
fights
and
things
like
that.
E
E
E
Good
and
then
I
want
to
just
put
a
shout
out
to
the
specialty
deployment
division
with
you
know,
Chief
or
Commander
Ripple
and
his
officers.
They
have
been
everywhere,
I
mean
everyone,
they've
done
a
great
job,
but
they
also
have
the
mounted
Patrol
and
I
know
that
that
mounted
Patrol
facility
I
think
it's
in
the
is
in
the
north
side.
It.
S
C
C
S
E
S
E
So
I'm
gonna
say
this
because
I
go
out
and
I'm
in
the
community
a
lot
when
I
see
community
policing
I
think
that
they
do
a
good
job,
but
they're,
usually
working
with
a
lot
of
adults.
But
when
I
see
the
horses
they're,
usually
with
a
lot
of
kids,
so
I
mean
you
gotta
decide.
Do
you
want
to
please
the
kids
you
want
to
please
help
work
with
the
kids
or
do
you
want
to
work
with
I?
E
You
know
you
have
to
do
both,
but
if
funding
is
an
issue,
then
I
would
hope
that
you
would
reach
out
to
some
of
the
people
to
help
donate
some
of
the
stuff
and
get
keep
that
program
going,
but
I'm
hearing
what
you're
saying
that
it's
a
staffing
Staffing
issue
but
anyway,
but
that's
it
for
me-
I'm
just
going
to
keep
continuing
talking
to
talk
about
the
the
numbers
of
police
officers.
I
think
we
need
to
do
as
much
as
we
can
to
get
people.
E
S
S
E
Soon
as
possible
and
then
I
know
you're
doing
a
lot
on
the
south
side
and
I
know.
Councilman
Krause
is
leading
that
and
very
happy
that
that's
happening,
but
we
share
zone
three,
which
means
sometimes
the
officers
are
being
pulled
from
Mount
Washington
Duquesne
Heights,
which
is
now
seeing
an
increase
in
crime.
So
I
know
it's
a
balancing
act
everywhere,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
that
that's
on
your
radar.
E
Yeah
and
the
shootings
happening
in
Sheridan
we're
going
to
have
a
meeting
with
the
mayor,
I
think
in
sometime
in
January,
with
the
public
to
address
some
of
the
some
of
the
issues
going
on
there.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
your
work
and
I'm.
Sorry
that
you're
going
through
so
much
all
of
you
at
the
same
time.
It's
a
challenge
for
everybody
across
the
board
here.
Thank
you.
A
K
K
That's
a
different
question
than
talking
about
the
number
of
officers
and
I
want
us
to
to
talk
about
it
as
two
different
numbers,
because
we
we
generally
don't-
and
we
should
right
and
so
in
2020
I
made
this
chart
and
it's
out
on
the
internet.
Someplace
I
got
it
from
governing
magazine
which
Compares
cities
on
all
kinds
of
things
right
from
technology
to
policing
to
all
kinds
of
stuff,
and
this
data
is
old.
It's
based
on
2020.,
but
it
says
you
know
how
many,
how
big
is
your
Police
Department
compared
to
your
population?
K
K
Employees
per
10,
000
population
Indianapolis
only
has
20
so
that
the
size
of
their
Department
per
population,
if
you
hold
the
police,
the
population
study
is
much
smaller.
Austin
has
24.,
Charlotte
has
26.,
some
have
much
much
higher
St
Louis
has
55
person.
Police
Department
I
would
like
to
look
at
that
and
see
if
they
really
have
that
many
people,
policing
or
if
they've,
combined
Public
Safety
with
the
Department
I,
don't
really
know
what's
going
on
there.
But
the
part
that
I
want
us
to
discuss
as
members
and
we've
talked
about
before.
S
K
K
L
K
Ten
thousand
dollars
per
person
on
top
of
payroll
I
assume
yes,
and
we
don't
pay
our
recruits
very
well,
but
how?
How
much
are
people
paid
in
16
an
hour
for
the
recruit
for
the
year?
So
that's
about
a
thirty
thousand
thirty
two
thousand
dollar
salary,
I'm
sure
there's
some
benefits,
plus
ten
thousand
dollar
training.
Let's
just
say
fifty
thousand
dollars
per
recruit.
S
K
I'm
sure,
for
example,
on
the
on
the
right
side
of
the
chart
where
I'm
looking
you
know,
the
wellness
officers
I've
talked
to
and
they're
wonderful
and
I'm,
totally
supportive
and
I'm,
not
discounting
the
work,
they're
doing
or
quartz
liaison
or
computer
operations,
probably
support
investigations,
but
they're
not
under
them
in
the
org
chart.
So
investigations
kind
of
all
everybody
who
works
there
in
this
part
of
the
org
chart
need
to
be
a
trained
officer.
S
K
S
K
K
K
S
S
K
All
right,
so
the
the
proposal
for
2023
is
a
total
of
953
total
positions,
which
is
five
more
than
in
2015
when
it
was
948
total
positions
and
53
civilians,
which
is
significantly
down
from
2015,
where
maybe
not
significantly.
Let
me
try
to
do
math
in
my
head.
I
think
there
were
about
980
civilians.
K
If
governing
magazine
has
the
information
right
in
2015,
so
the
total
Workforce
for
the
police
Bureau
seems
to
be
at
least
budgeted
as
Inc
is
more
and
not
not
lower
I
think
sometimes
we
have
the
impression
at
this
table
among
some
people
that
there's
a
smaller
force,
it
doesn't
appear
to
be
smaller.
To
me
last
year,
I
looked
I
asked
how
many
officers
do
you
have
on
payroll
and
I?
Think
I
just
got
it
covered
up,
but
I
think
it
was
901
Maybe
910.
K
K
S
K
K
K
K
K
Year,
okay,
good,
okay,
thank
you,
so
I
just
I
still
think
that's
an
important
point
that
I
don't
want
council
members
to
mix
up
in
our
minds
like
how
much
of
a
Workforce
do.
We
need
in
the
department
versus
how
much
of
a
Workforce
we
need
in
officers,
because
those
are
two
different
things
and
we
could
be
doing
better
at
covering
work.
That
needs
to
be
done
without
taking
officers
off
the
street
right
or
paying
to
train
people
to
be
officers
if
they
don't
need
to
be
right.
K
It
kind
of
kind
of
goes
hand
in
hand,
so
that
I
think
that
was
enough.
You
answered
my
question
so
that
was
enough
on
that
topic,
but
I
think
it
is
important
for
us
to
understand
and
for
the
public
to
understand
that
not
all
policing
is
done
by
train
officers,
and
then
we
we've
I,
want
to
give
you
an
opportunity
to
respond
to
something
that
comes
up
so
many
times
at
the
table,
and
it
comes
up.
K
Or
I
guess
it's.
The
special
events
committee
request
a
high
number
of
officers
in
order
to
close
streets
and
other
times
a
very
similar
Community
event
will
have,
you
know,
be
allowed
to
use
volunteers
be
allowed
to
use
people
just
in
like
yellow
vests.
Pittsburgh
cares
just
sending
volunteers
and
not
officers.
How
does
that
get
assigned.
C
That
is
actually
through
the
special
events
in
the
police
planning
office,
but
we
did,
over
this
past
year,
enact
a
policy
and
a
a
guideline
essentially
to
say
to
make
it
standardized
so
which
roadways
of
so,
for
instance,
if
we're
closing
down
Grant
Street
in
the
boulevard
of
the
Allies,
we
would
not
want
a
volunteer
out
there
doing
that
work
because
it's
very
dangerous
with
the
high
traffic.
But
if
it's
a
small,
secondary
Road.
C
We
would
allow
volunteers
or
private
security
that
sort
of
thing,
so
we
actually
now
have
a
chart
based
on
the
roadway
and
based
on
the
closures.
How
you're
closing
some
places
might
only
need
a
barricade.
We
just
make
sure
everybody's
aware
frequently
people
will
move
barricades.
So
that's
why
we
recommend
a
volunteer
because
someone,
ultimately
we
have
it
every
Marathon
somebody
gets
upset
because
they
can't
figure
out
how
to
get
around
this.
C
C
K
You,
because
for
the
public,
if
you
are
a
community
organization
and
you're
suddenly,
as
has
happened
but
we're
what
I'm
hearing
is,
hopefully
will
not
be
happening
in
the
future
right.
If
you
are
ordered
to
have
16
police
officers
covering
six
intersections
on
a
Sunday
morning,
it
will
cost
you
fourteen
thousand
dollars,
and
you
can't
afford
to
pay
it
right,
because
if
it's
a
police
officer
they're
on
overtime
pay,
that's
an
actual
example
that
happened
and
that
Community
event
doesn't
happen
anymore
and
it's
our
job
to
we've
had
long
discussions.
I!
K
Think
it's
before
you
were
here
director,
certainly
not
not
in
your
current
position
and
those
are
really
painful.
But
it's
still
a
question
because
it
was
so
painful
that
people
ask
and
so
that
hypothetically
there
is
a
rational
system.
That's
been
developed
so
that
that
does
not
happen
is
what
I'm
hearing
yeah.
K
Well,
it's
extremely
helpful.
I
know
that
we've
been
here
a
long
time.
I
know
that
you've
been
in
the
room
a
long
time
and
I
want
to
thank
you
for
being
here
and
kind
of
go
and
be
you
know,
living
through
this
long
day
with
us,
but
there's
been
I
think
it
was
at
a
standing
committee.
Not
long
ago.
We
were
asking
about
well
and
we
had
to
to
vote
on
the
contract
for.
K
I
think
it
was
the
police
cameras,
but
we
got
on
the
topic
of
in
my
mind.
We
got
on
the
topic
of
facial
recognition
and
kind
of
social
media
surveillance
in
that
topic.
I
think
that's.
My
recollection
and
I
asked
a
question
that
we
we
have
predictive
policing
ordinance
on
the
books
that
we're
not
allowed
to
use
facial
recognition
and
but
I
heard
a
discussion
at
the
table
from
the
bureau
that
well
sometimes
we
work
with
outside
partners
and
I
said:
do
your
outside
Partners?
K
Have
these
policies
in
place
or
what
other
policies
are
we
just
handing
over
data
to
partners
because
we
are
handing
over
today
to
Partners?
But
what
I
don't
want
to
hear?
I
think
what
our
public
doesn't
want
to
hear
is
that
we're
just
handing
out
data
to
Partners
when
to
get
around
the
rules
and
restrictions
that
we
have
for
ourselves?
So
I
wanted
to
give
you
a
chance
to
respond.
S
S
S
Well,
as
far
as
software,
we
don't
have
predictive
software.
That
tells
us
you
know,
based
on
whatever
there's
going
to
be
a
crime
or
this
person
is
going
to
commit
a
crime.
We
don't
have
anything
of
that.
However,
a
lot
of
our
data
comes
from
reported
crimes.
It's
a
reported
crime
could
come
in
through
CAD
9-1-1
system.
S
It
could
come
from
a
police
report.
Someone
makes
a
police
report,
and
you
know
whatever
that
location
is
now
part
of
that
that
data.
So
naturally,
if
a
area
has
a
large
number
of
reported
crimes
and
it
would
be
sort
of,
we
need
some
human
oversight
like
what
a
what
is
occurring
there.
Is
it
just
one
victim?
Is
it
a
number
of
different
incidents?
K
S
Night
I
would
come
in,
I
was
just
assigned
to
zone
five
I
read
through
and
I
saw
Barkley
reports
that
the
liquor
stores
or
small
establishments-
and
you
know
that's
a
form
of
hey.
We
have
a
problem
here:
they're
hitting
the
liquor
store
here
on
in
Shady
Side
here
in
East
Liberty
here
in
Garfield.
Let's
get
it
detail
and
work
on
that
problem.
So
a
lot
of
our
information
comes
from
reported
crimes
and
again
we
don't
have
predictive
policing
software.
K
Great
I
do
have
other
questions
that
have
like
comment
and
been
aggregated
but
I
think
I'm
just
going
to
relinquish
my
time,
because
it's
been
again,
we've
been
here
for
a
very
long
time
and
maybe
we
can
work
on
getting
some
Central,
so
they're
really
not
budget
relevant
so
but
it
would
be
interesting,
I
think
to
give
you
an
opportunity
to
answer
them.
So
we
follow
up
by
email,
I
appreciate.
L
This
is
not
to
be
critical
of
you
or
this
Administration
I
feel
we
went
wrong
when
we
didn't
put
those
two
recruitment
classes
on
whether
it
be
through
covid,
whether
it
be
before
that
huge
mistake,
since
that
time
came
covered,
that's
affected
things,
of
course,
and
more
importantly,
it's
not
popular
to
be
a
police
officer.
Anymore.
I
know
many
many
many
police
officers
who
no
longer
want
their
children
to
be
police
officers
for
obvious
reasons
of
today:
okay,
all
kind
of
stemming
from
George
Floyd
and
the
riots
and
a
thousand
Reasons
right.
L
So
I
just
want
to
make
clear
that
this
is
not
this
administration's.
You
inherited
this.
We
know
that
I
know
that
okay
Chief,
thank
you
for
being
here.
I
really
appreciate
you
being
here
and
you
too
Whitney
every
year,
I
go
away
with.
I
got
a
lot
of
different
resources
that
come
at
me
from
the
police
department.
I
go
away
with
40
different
police
officers.
L
L
Something
needs
to
be
done
right.
We
need
to
put
three:
maybe
four
recruitment
classes
on
recruitment
classes
are
about
a
million
dollars,
a
piece
you
know
whatever
it
takes.
You
know
I
feel
like
we're
going
to
put
recruitment
classes
on,
but
when
I
hear
you
say,
once
we
get
up
to
that
level,
I
don't
see
us
getting
up
to
that
level.
You
can
remark
on
that.
If
you
want
and
I
just
got
a
couple
other
things
no.
S
S
Not
a
lot
of
people
left
employment
with
the
city
because
there
frankly
wasn't
a
whole
lot
of
work
out
there
and
we
benefited
by.
You
know
retaining
officers.
However,
in
the
last
couple
years,
that
surplus
of
officers
has
dwindled
as
I
mentioned
before
when
I
looked
at
the
numbers,
it
looked
like.
We
started
at
912.
S
L
Reality
we
have
to
have
three
classes
a
year
just
to
keep
up
okay.
So
in
order
to
gain
we
have
even
more
than
that.
So
just
a
couple
things.
You
know
when
we
look
at
the
police
department
overall-
and
you
know
when
I
talk
about
by
the
time
we
get
this
new
recruitment
class
that
we're
gonna
that's
scheduled
to
start
next
August
will
be
below
700
police
officers.
Can
we
even
manage
with
that?
Can
you
manage
the
department
with
with
under
700?
Please
it's.
S
L
L
L
Alarmed
by
that
I'm
very
alarmed
by
it-
and
you
know,
I
I
don't
mean
to
belabor
it,
but
my
district
needs
to
know.
I
want
to
tell
them.
I
want
to
be
square
with
them,
not
sugar
coating
it
anymore
I.
When
I
see
it
I'm
calling
calling
it
out
again.
It's
not
anybody
at
this
table's
fault,
but
that's
just
a
fact
is
where
we
are.
L
We
have
to
figure
out
what
we're
going
to
do
to
get
it
up
to
a
safer
level
where
we're
not,
and
if
it's
not
even
about
the
police
officers,
it's
about
the
the
twenty
thousand
dollars
a
day.
It's
costing
taxpayers
right
now,
you
know
so
it's
just
snowballs
and
it's
kind
of
out
of
control,
I
feel
and
it's
gonna
be
hard
to
get
it
under
control.
Let's
face
it,
you
know
recruitment
classes.
Take
time.
L
L
C
I
think
we're
you
know:
they're
they're,
looking
at
our
current
operations
as
well
as
call
volumes
things
like
special
events.
I
know
everybody's
kind
of
talked
about
that
that
when
we
have
pirate
games
and
Steeler
games
and
pride
and
all
the
events,
we
have
that's
a
strain
on
this
Workforce
and
we
need
to
take
that
into
consideration
when
we're
looking
at
the
number
of
officers
that
we
need
to
do
those
duties
right.
C
L
And
that's
over
the
years
they've
been
done
by
officers
I'm
very
interested
to
see
that
number
as
well.
You
know
as
to
if
we
can
replace
you
know,
officers
with
civilians
and
we
don't
need
as
many
we
get
the
officers
on
the
streets
where
we
really
need
them.
So
so
this
Matrix
study,
you
know
it
kind
of
reminds
me
about
the
firefighters
talking
about
the
vehicles
when
the
you
know
where
is
Matrix
out
of
anybody,
know.
C
L
L
Long
as
they're
taking
the
implements
Pittsburgh
Police,
unlike
the
fire
trucks,
they
did
not
and
I'm
like
how
do
what
do
they
know
about
buying
fire
trucks
right?
The
firefighters
know
about
buying
fire
trucks.
So
Matrix
has
worked
with
our
police
department
and
saying
hey:
what
do
you
need
right
and
getting
all
that
data
being
in
all
the
information.
C
L
L
That's
alarming
enough
to
me:
it's
the
amount
of
taxpayer
dollars
we're
spending
for
overtime
now,
and
on
top
of
that,
we're
having
officers
doing
double
shifts,
and
we
all
know
one
mistake,
as
a
police
officer
makes
the
whole
department
look
bad
and
when
you're
going
on
four
hour
sleep
and
pulling
out
a
double
shift,
because
you're
needed,
whether
it's
a
Steeler
game
or
you
you
name
it
yeah,
that's
that's
a
recipe
for
mistakes,
so
so
I
I'll
just
keep
sounding
alarm.
I
I
can't
wait
director
Schmidt.
We
need
to
sit
down.
We
need
to
talk.
L
J
F
S
F
S
Use
one
system
for
body,
worn
cameras
and
the
dash
camera,
then
it
would
increase
efficiency
reduced
the
amount
of
Manpower
it
takes
to
maintain
it
and
just
make
it
easier
for
the
officer.
So
the
idea
was
to
we
expected
a
new
Fleet
or
new
allotment
of
vehicles
for
this
year
and
was
to
outfit
them
with
with
new
cameras
and
to
gradually
replace
the
outdated
equipment
with
with
new
cameras
and
integrated
under
one
system.
Okay
and.
J
S
J
F
F
B
J
S
I
think
it's
a
good
idea.
We
just
need
the
anything
we
can
do
to
reduce
the
amount
of
work
on
Swarm
police
officers.
If
there's
some
alternative
that
we
can
do
to
solve
problems
long
term,
if
someone's
having
an
issue
that
could
be
done
by
other
people
that
have
the
training
and
resources
to
deal
with
it
I'm
all
for
it.
J
Yeah
so
I
apologize
if
I'm
repeating
something
that
I
had
to
step
out
for
in
a
Mist.
But
I
do
want
to
ask
the
question,
and
you
know
you
can
pause
if
this
is
already
covered,
but
just
for
my
own
knowledge
and
I
think
the
knowledge
of
what
we're
trying
to
build
out
here.
That
I
mentioned
in
terms
of
the
co-response
and
alternative
response
is:
would
that
actually
require
us
to
have
less
officers
or
we
would
still
require
the
same
amount
of
officers.
F
S
I,
don't
have
a
percentage,
but
as
a
police
force,
it
responds
24,
7.
and
when
other
agencies
are
not
available,
Pittsburgh
Police
responds
and
we
figure
out
a
way
to
handle
those
those
incidents.
But
if,
if
the
program
works
out
and
it
can
alleviate
some
of
those,
those
calls
from
being
dispatched
to
police
I
think
it's
a
good
thing.
Yeah,
sometimes
it
may
if
they
can
solve
things
long
term
like
maybe
in
the
long
run.
Maybe
we
don't
need
as
many
as
Warren
officers.
I,
don't
know,
see.
J
F
I
F
F
F
J
J
J
J
J
Yeah,
so
we're
doing
a
lot
of
committee
hours,
I
got
the
Commander's
doing
at
the
meetings
and
I
understand.
This
has
a
different
role
but
I'm
just
wondering
what
type
of
train
do
we
offer
our
commanders
so
that
they're
one
they
have
like
it's
a
tactical
Staffing
like
they're,
aware
of
how
that
whole
process
takes
place,
but
also
how
they
convey
the
message
to
the
to
the
public
about
what
is
actually
being
done.
I
mean
the
commander
that
I
have
can
come
with
like
stats.
J
Every
meeting
and
really
you
know,
explain,
what's
possible
and
the
challenges
and
challenges
they're
facing
and
so
I
just
I
just
hope
to
see
that
you
know
throughout
the
whole
whole
Bureau
or
each
each
Zone,
not
in
each
I'm,
not
in
each
Zone.
But
I
was
wondering
what
type
of
training
do
we
offer
to.
You
know
a
higher
level
commanders
and,
and-
and
you
know,
I
guess
Sergeant
lieutenants
Commanders,
so
that
they're
equipped
for
that.
S
Currently
we
don't
have
a
week-long
or
two
week,
long
Commander's
course,
but
generally,
when
they
get
promoted
to
sergeant
lieutenant,
we
have
a
generally
like
a
one
week
or
two
week,
training
for
supervisors
and
then
addition
to
that
most
of
our
supervisors
have
attended
pause.
It
and
Pollux
offered
by
Penn
State
like
a
leadership
supervisor
training,
so
they
do
have
opportunities
for
advanced
training.
In
addition,
we
we
do
have
Command
Staff
meetings.
So,
okay,
where
we
share
information
with
the
Zone
Commanders
and
certainly
a
favor,
have
questions
about
anything
you
know.
J
S
F
S
F
S
S
S
The
Qatar
resignation,
you
know,
certainly
we're
a
20-year
Department
20
years
of
service
qualifies
for
a
pension
depends
if
military
may
be
17..
If
they
decide
to
take
another
opportunity
that
you
know
after
earning
their
pension,
they
can
certainly
apply.
We've
had
detectives
in
investigations
also
resigned
for
employment
with
other
agencies.
We've
had
people
resign,
the
go
do
something
else.
Other.
J
S
D
A
I
A
Mcneely,
yes,
who
who
I
think
was
one
of
your
biggest
Champions
and
always
spoke
so
very,
very
highly
of
you
and
I.
Remember
saying
to
me:
he
he's
he's
going
to
be
Chief
one
day
he's
going
to
be
Chief
one
day
and
just
for
what
it's
worth
while
we
sit
here,
I
think
it
would
be
an
amazing
chief
of
police
and
I
think
you
would
serve
and
have
served
the
city
honorably.
A
A
I
think
a
lot
of
what
we're
facing
is
really
systemic
problems
in
the
state
of
policing,
not
just
here
in
Pittsburgh
but
universally,
not
just
you
know
in
Pennsylvania,
but
in
every
state,
across
this
nation
and
and
how
we
address
the
the
career
of
policing
in
a
holistic
and
and
comprehensive
approach.
Not
oh,
my
God.
We
we
have
to
hire
20
right
now.
You
know
because
it's
all
just
a
Band-Aid
approach
and
and
how
you
know.
How
do
we
meet
that
challenge
because
it
is
an
enormous
challenge.
A
It's
an
incredibly
challenging
position
that
you
find
yourself
in
and,
as
the
councilman
said
and
I'll
reiterate,
it's
no
one's
fault
sitting
here
at
this
table
and
you
know
I
hope
the
public
understands
how
why
I'm
saying
that
it
it's
systemic
and
it's
in
its
history
and
in
its
growth
and
we're
the
latest
incantation
of
of
people
that
are
trying
to
understand
and
wrestle.
You
know
with
this
with
this
problem
and
find
best
solution.
A
The
the
the
the
urgency
that
we
find,
though,
is
that,
while
we're
trying
to
find
long-term
holistic
systemic
solution
to
policing,
we
have
the
immediacy
of
the
moment.
This
is
happening
here,
that's
happening
there.
You
need
to
address
this.
We
need
to
over.
Here
we
need
you
there.
That's
you
know,
that's
what
really
becomes
becomes
the
challenge.
I,
don't
envy
you
for
anything
at
all:
I,
don't
envy
you
and
and
and
what
we
ask
of
you
to
do
every
day.
I've
said
this
a
couple
times
now
at
the
budget
hearings.
A
It's
why
I've
been
such
a
sob
about
the
training
academy?
It
is
not.
It
is
not
the
brick
and
mortar
that
that
we
can
always
figure
out
the
brick
and
mortar
part
of
it.
It
is
our
our
commitment
to
our
Public
Safety
officials,
whether
it
be
proper
licensing
equipment,
resource
training
in
uniform
radio
body
camera.
Everything
that
that
we
that
our
Public
Safety
officials
need
to
perform
the
very
difficult
tasks
that
we
ask
them
to
do
needs
to
be
provided
the
idea
we
just
need
to
train
classes.
A
There
are
some
things
we
were
able
to
help
out
with,
and
for
that
moment
in
time
we
were
able
to
put
a
Band-Aid
on
it,
but
we're
still
there
right,
and
so,
where
do
we
find
the
the
the
space
to
do
the
training
that
we
need
to
do
to
bring
the
proper
amount
of
of
police
onto
the
force
and
all
those
kinds
of
things
I'm
not
asking
you
for
questions
per
se.
But
those
are
the
challenges
that
we
are
facing.
A
Not
oh
yeah,
if
we
just
did
this
one
thing,
it
would
all
be
okay,
it's
not
it's!
You
know
much
more
than
that.
One
thing
I
would
like
to
ask
you,
though,
in
terms
of
specificity,
I,
guess
about
a
year
or
so
ago,
contract
change,
where
we
went
to
four
ten
hour
shifts,
as
opposed
to
five
eight
hour
shifts.
Where
are
we
in
that?
Are
we?
Is
there
some
interest
and
possibly
reversing
that
in
some
way,
I'm
just
curious?
What
where
we
are
in
that
for.
S
S
S
A
F
A
In
terms
of
personnel
that
affects
third
Council
District
on
a
regular
basis,
we
now
have
Commander
Raglan
command.
Ragland
has
been
a
wonderful
addition
to
the
the
third
Council
district
and,
as
with
has
always
been
my
experience
with
leadership
in
the
department,
fully
accessible
moments,
notice
always
picks
up
calls.
You
know,
you
know
all
those
kinds
of
things
we
all
argue.
You
know
having
accessibility
with
our
Command
Staff,
but
he's
really
been
a
wonderful
addition
to
the
Zone
I
want.
H
A
A
Just
one
of
the
finest
human
beings
I
think
I've
ever
had
the
privilege
to
know
in
my
life
and
what
a
pleasure
it
has
been
to
work
with
Christine
over
the
years
and
they
you
know,
I
went
on
a
call
with
her,
maybe
a
week
or
so
ago,
and
I
watched
her
perform
her
job
and
the
the
level
of
professionalism
by
which
she
percent
presented
herself
I
just
stood
back
in
awe
watching
her.
Like
my
God
this,
this
woman
is
just
like.
A
If
you
know,
if
we
could
clone
I,
don't
know
if
I
want
to
say
that,
but
if
we
could
just
somehow
multiply
that
kind
of
spirit
and
heart
and
mentality
in
our
Force,
what
a
wonderful
force
we
would
have
she's.
Just
absolutely
amazing.
She
does
the
get
stuff
with
love
every
year.
I'm
sure
you
know,
you
know
where
Thanksgiving
dinners
get
delivered
through
the
police
department,
I
I
think
we're
somewhere.
A
Like
the
12
author
14th
year
of
doing
that,
started
in
zone
three
at
a
city-wide,
how
many
3,
400
dinners
went
out
this
year,
I
think
on
Thanksgiving
Day,
something
along
those
lines:
3
400
dinners
delivered
Citywide
by
police
officers
because
of
a
program
that
Christine
started
like
12
years
ago.
Just
because
she
wanted
people
to
have
a
dinner
on
Thanksgiving
I
have
to
get
a
shot
out
to
Brian
and
Andre.
Our
community
resource
officers
like
we
would
be.
We
would
be
lost
without.
E
A
A
C
D
C
The
Night
Court
aspect:
we
have
to
get
the
county
on
board
with
that
as
far
as
US
Staffing.
It
is
also
you
know
when
we
don't
have
similar
to
other
substations.
The
substation
is
very
nice,
but
the
substation
requires
more
staff.
So
would
you
rather
have
officers
in
the
main
station
and
the
substation
and
not
on
the
street,
or
would
you
rather
have
you
know
them
on
the
street,
so
we're
just
looking
through
that,
so
we
kind
of
so.
D
D
A
To
re-up
the
lease
on
the
on
the
substation
downtown
and
it
just
we
can
certainly
talk
further
offline,
but
in
light
of
of
you
know,
budgetary
shortfalls
and
necessities
and
priorities
and
what
we
need
to
spend
money
on
and
what
we
shouldn't
be
spending
money
on
I
would
hate
to
see
us
get
two-thirds
of
the
way
there
and
say
all
of
that
investment.
All
that
funding
was
for
not
and
we're
not
going
to
go
the
other.
A
A
Yeah
these
tend
to
go
offline
and
they
should
yeah
and
they
and
they
should
it's
it's
it's
it's.
You
know
we
do
this
as
much
for
ourselves
as
we
do
for
the
viewing
public
that
likes
to
hear
from
you
as
well
too,
because
it's
not
our
money,
we're
spending.
We
are
spending
constituency,
dollars
and
I.
Think
one
thing
it
I
think
it's
largely
our
our
shortfall
here
for
not
perhaps
educating
the
public.
The
way
that
we
should
our
primary
function
here
is
fiduciary.
This
is
why
we
meet
twice
a
week.
A
We
are
going
to
spend
670
million
dollars
of
the
Public's
money.
You
gave
this
to
us
and
entrusted
us
to
allocate
670
million
dollars
of
your
money
and
they
deserve
to
to
hear
how
we're
you
know
how
we
collectively
plan
to
spend
that
money.
They
have
the
right
to
know
that
so
council,
president
further.
D
E
K
K
I
was
saying
there
was
none
under
police
or
none
Under,
Fire,
there's
976
000
under
other
Public,
Safety
and
I
talked
about
EMS,
but
there's
one
two,
three,
four:
five:
six,
seven,
eight
nine
ten
here
that
are
under
police
and
this
year's
packet
does
not
include
Stop
the
Violence
I'm
gonna
assume.
That's
because
you
don't
actually
get
to
just
allocate
the
funds.
Those
funds
have
to
be
approved
by
Council
for
their
allocations.
K
But
so,
if
that's
true,
then
the
police
secondary
employment
trust
fund,
current
balance,
643
000,
the
public
safety
training
trust
fund,
current
balance
about
a
million
confiscated
narcotics
proceeds
at
nearly
2
million.
Current
balance
confiscated
non-narcotics
at
one
point:
nearly
3
million
Federal
Task
Force
at
14,
000
graffiti
trust,
fund,
83,
000,
Mounted,
Police
trust
funds,
27
20,
almost
28,
000.,
drug
abuse,
resistance,
education,
trust
fund,
dared
at
seven
and
a
half
thousand
District
nine
crime
prevention,
trust
fund
at
seven
thousand
and
then
a
witness
protection
trust
fund
at
three
hundred
dollars.
K
Some
of
our
trust
funds
to
the
Departments
just
get
to
pull
down
and
write
checks
from
I
always
give
the
example
of
the
melon
Park
tennis
bubble.
Trust
fund,
which
is
a
real
thing
right.
It
gets
revenue
from
the
proceeds
and
then,
when
the
bubble
needs
to
be
repaired,
they
can
just
the
Department
of
Public.
Works
can
just
write
those
checks.
We
will
never
see
it
here.
We
might
get
an
accounting
when
we
ask
for
it.
We
get
accountings
of
trust
funds,
but
it's
an
administratively
managed
trust
fund.
K
That
council's
authorized
that
Arrangement
that
the
department
can
just
dip
into
it,
because
we're
not
concerned
about
the
Mellon,
Park
tennis
bubble,
trust
fund,
but
but
quite
a
few
million
dollars
that
I
just
read
off.
So
how
are
these
funds?
Let's?
Maybe
just
start
with
the
biggest
one,
the
the
post-secondary
employment
trust
and
the
current
balance
is
642
000,
but
it's
anticipated
to
2023
revenue
is
identical
to
its
anticipated
2022
Revenue,
which
is
nine
million
196
000
and
8
million
291
000
of
that
is
salary
reimbursement.
C
So
the
the
secondary
employment
trust
fund
is
actually
essentially
it's
a
reimbursement,
trust
fund.
So
what
that's
for?
Is
this
Pirate
game?
Steeler
games
hockey
games
any
event
in
the
city
when
they
someone
hires
our
officers
through
secondary
employment?
Some
folks
call
them
details,
but
a
secondary
employment
detail.
Meeting
I
need
a
police
officer
to
cover
this
event
that
I'm
having
we
pay
the
officers
from
that
trust
fund
and
then,
when
we
get
receive
that
reimbursement
from
the
organizer
event
or
whoever
the
vendor
so
to
speak.
C
C
Yeah,
so
those
are
all
seized
assets.
The
confiscated
narcotics
proceeds.
Trust
fund
is
federally
regulated.
It's
also
known
as
asset
forfeiture,
Equitable
share
program
through
the
doj
and
Department
of
Justice
and
the
way
that
works.
If
the
narcotics
one
specifically
the
way
that
works
when
our
officer
is
working
with
Federal
officers
or
even
County
and
other
entities
are
involved
in
larger
drug
investigations,
and
you
know
when
they
find
significant
sums
of
money
that
sort
of
thing
those
by
federal
law,
those
monies
are
allowed
to
be.
C
You
know
if
there's
a
large
amount
of
cash,
that
sort
of
thing
those
are
forfeited
over
and
then
once
the
case
has
concluded,
meaning
it's
fully
adjudicated.
A
judge
makes
a
final
determination
as
to
how
much
of
those
assets
are
returned
to
the
investigative
agencies,
and
then
they
are
split
based
on
the
the
work
that
those
agencies
put
in.
So
if
it's
mainly
DEA
driven
the
DEA
normally
gets
most
of
that
money.
We
might
get
some
of
it
to
show
hey.
We
participated
in
10
and
vice
versa.
C
So
that's
all
actually
in
a
rather
complex
system,
with
a
rather
thick
manual
as
to
how
that
money
is
brought
in
how
it's
utilized
the
reason
we
have
to
have
it
in
the
trust
fund
versus
just
bringing
it
into
the
the
cities.
Is
it's
prohibited,
so
it
is
not
allowed
to
be
co-mingled
with
City
dollars.
It
is
not
allowed
to
be
utilized
to
supplant
the
budget
in
any
way.
C
So,
essentially,
we
have
to
be
very
selective
when
we
use
this,
that
it
is
towards
investigative
efforts
and
towards
items
that
would
not
normally
be
purchased,
so
we
can't
use
it
for
things
like
wages
and
standard
Vehicles.
It
has
to
be
utilized
for
items
that,
perhaps
you
know,
would
be
really
nice
to
have
or
would
help
move
us
along
technology
wise
or
operationally
that
we
would
not
purchase
otherwise
if
it
was
not
for
those
funds.
C
K
C
K
Going
into
it-
and
we
did
ask
just
the
other
day,
what
was
the
current
balance
and
I
want
to
say
it
was
around
six
or
seven
million
terrible
to
be
that
Lucy,
because
it
was
just
oh,
so
many
Williams
I'm
not
sure
how
many
millions
but
yeah
got
it.
Okay,
so
I
will
I
will
leave
that
there
I
had
just
really
committed
to
myself
that
I
would
go
over
those
trust
funds,
because
it's
something
that
we
we
sometimes
forget
to
talk
about
at
Council,
and
this
is
the.
C
So
if
there
is
a
crime
involved
and
we
there
are
cash
or
money
assets
that
is
stored
in
our
property
room
after
a
certain
period
of
time,
we
no
longer
keep
it
there.
We
deposit
it
into
account
and
then
once
that
person
so
like
if
we
arrest
someone
and
they
have
300
on
them
and
they
end
up
in
jail
for
three
or
four
years
when
they
get
out
of
jail.
That
gets
returned
to
them
again.
That's
what
that
non-narcotics
is
for
Crime.
E
E
Okay,
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
so
she
now
works
for
summerly.
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
people
know
that
that
was
not
Reverend
Burgess,
who
started
that
and
again
the
I'm
just
going
to
wrap
it
up
with
just
saying
that
we
are
I'm
very
concerned
about
the
Stop,
the
Violence
trust
fund
and
and
all
the
trust
funds
in
general,
which
is
why
we've
asked
our
budget
office
controller
Liam's
office
to
work
together
to
reduce
the
number,
because
we
have
how
many
total
87.
E
E
So
that's
a
lot
that
we
need
to
really
be
watching
and
looking
out
for
and
including
the
stop
the
violence
and
if
it
means,
if
we're
going
to
have
nearly
20
million
dollars
in
that
trust,
fund,
I
think
maybe
we
need
to
look
at
the
money
that
we're
putting
into
the
trust
fund.
It's
time
to
review
that.
Thank
you.
L
L
J
L
A
And
we'll
be
that's
fine
cousin
over
here,
so
I
am
going
to
sign
off
here
very
shortly,
but
because
she
actually
took
the
time
to
send
this
in
I
want
to
respectfully
share
this
information.
Councilman
lavelle's
mom
has
actually
texted
in
to
say
that
there
are
fire
companies
that
actually
do
sell
fire
extinguishers.
One
of
them
is
firefighter
sales
yeah.
They
they
will
come
out,
they
will
service,
they
will
recharge.
They
will
not
just
end
up
in
a
landfill
after
a
year,
and
so
it's
something
I,
don't
know.
We
should
figure
talk.
A
Council
yeah,
so
they
may
be
able
one
thing
to
make
certain
that
we
have
fire
extinguish
or
I'm
sorry
smoke,
alarms
distributed
and
that's
a
wonderful
program
and
I'm
so
very
happy.
We
do
that,
but
on
the
other
end,
should
you
experience
Our
God
forbid.
There
could
be
opportunity
to
have
an
extinguisher
as
well
so,
but
with
that,
thank
you
very
much
for
being
here.
I,
truly
appreciate
it.
Director,
you've
been
and.
A
Charles,
you
have
been
quite
accommodating
for
the
day.
We
greatly
appreciate
it:
Peter
our
cable
Bureau,
our
sergeant-at-arms
yeah
and
everyone
who's
who
stuck
it
out
today,
but
it
was
important
that
we
did
that
so
with
that
I
believe
I
offer
up
a
motion
to
recess
so
I'm
going
to
motion
to
recess.
We
will
collect,
am
I
supposed
to
be
reading.
What
we're
going
to
do
tomorrow
do
I
have
to
do
that.
There's
nothing
tomorrow.
Okay,
we're
all
off
tomorrow.
So
with
that
motion
to
recess
okay,
and
with
that,
we
are
recessed.