►
From YouTube: Pittsburgh City Council Public Hearing - 12/5/22
Description
Bill #2022-0592: Zoning, New Base Districts & Changes
A
A
Good
afternoon,
everyone
and
welcome
to
this
reconvened
public
hearing
of
Pittsburgh
city
council
for
today,
Monday
December,
5
2022.
It
is
being
resumed
from
our
initial
beginning
of
the
hearing
on
September
14
of
2022,
as
it
relates
to
Bill
592..
So
with
that
Madam
clerk,
would
you
please
re-read
the
purpose
of
Bill
592.
A
Thank
you,
madam
clerk.
I
am
councilman
Krause
I'll
be
chairing
this
afternoon's
continuation
of
our
public
hearing
I'm
joined
by
council
member
strasberger.
Thank
you
for
being
here
with
me
today.
I
appreciate
it,
and
at
first
we're
going
to
have
a
very
brief
presentation
by
our
deputy
director.
Did
I
say
that
correctly
deputy
director
Dash,
as
it
relates
to
some
of
the
things
we
heard
on
the
first
portion
of
the
public
hearing
some
suggested
changes
that
we
are
are
mauling
about
before.
We
continue,
then,
with
our
regular
registered
speakers.
C
So
enter
Dash
deputy
director
Department
of
City
Planning.
You
know,
as
the
clerk
had
noted,
this
is
a
change
to
a
number
of
sections
of
the
zoning
code.
You
know
to
introduce
three
new
districts:
the
uce
Urban
Center
employment,
the
ucmu
urban
center
mixed
use
and
the
rmu
residential
mixed
use.
This
was
done
in
tandem
with
the
Oakland
plan,
the
plan
for
the
four
Oakland
neighborhoods
that
was
completed
and
adopted
by
the
Planning
Commission,
and
so
this
is
the
first
phase
of
zoning
amendments.
D
C
C
You
know
where
you
know
to
clarify
that
you
know
that,
with
the
minimum
width
of
sidewalk
being
requested
in
the
zoning
code
that
that
can
be
put
on
private
property
and
located
under
building
overhangs,
that
was
a
discussion
that
that
had
been
had.
You
know,
post
the
last
public
hearing
and
requested
for
planning
to
create
an
amendment
to
provide
some
clarification
there
to
make
sure
that
that
certain
certain
circumstance
would
be
permitted
next,
if
we
go
to
the
next
slide,
there
are
a
few.
C
The
building
reuse,
Performance
Point,
which
is
something
that
we
have
in
other
districts,
including
Uptown
public
realm
District,
you
know-
was
only
initially
permitted
in
the
residential
mixed
use.
District
upon
conversation,
you
know
there
was
the
discussion
of
adding
that
Performance
Point
to
the
urban
center
mixed
use
and
the
Urban
Center
employment
District.
So
the
amendment
includes
that
you
know
there
was
a
clarification
relative
to
the
Performance
Point
around
on-site
energy
Generation.
C
You
know
around
just
enforcement
based
on
you
know
when
the
you
know
when,
when
the
inspection
for
that
Performance,
Point
and
kind
of
determination
that
Performance
Point
had
been
satisfied,
you
know
and
provide
some
clarity
there.
The
next
item
that
was
on
here
was
a
change
for
the
Urban
Center
employment
District.
C
That
was
something
that
was
previously
fifty
percent.
Moving
to
the
next
slide.
There
were
a
couple
of
other
amendments
that
were
in
this.
You
know.
First
was
just
a
you
know,
again
kind
of
a
clarification
of
some
amendments
to
building
standards
and
making
sure
that
it
was
that
the
changes
that
we
were
proposing
were
only
for
these
districts.
They
weren't
for
all
of
the
districts
across
the
city
in
the
zoning
code
and
then
previously
as
a
part
of
a.
C
C
You
know-
and
this
was
yeah
I-
think
generally
known,
as
you
know,
as
as
being
relative
to
you
know
the
area
along
haukid
and
Boulevard
of
the
allies,
so
that
was
where
the
the
urban
center
mixed
use.
District,
you
know
was
originally
put
into
place
and
there
was
a
piece
that
was
added
by
city
council
at
the
time
of
allowing
for
a
building
length,
exemption
for
grocery
store,
General
and
that
use
specifically
in
the
code,
and
so
when
we
had,
since
that
was
that
amendment
was
made
by
Council.
C
It
wasn't
in
the
language
that
we
had
initially
put
forth
from
the
Planning
Commission
and
so
making
sure
to
include
that
amendment
that
Council
had
already
approved
in
its
PR
in
a
prior
decision.
You
know
was
what
we
had
made
sure
to
amend
as
well.
So
that
is
the
entirety
of
the
Amendments
that
you
know
again,
you
know
had
you
know,
had
been
proposed
for
or
the
department
had
been
asked
to
write
up.
You
know,
after
the
last
public
hearing.
A
So
one
thing
I
would
like
to
put
on
the
record
before
we
move
into
taking
public
comment.
We
received
communication
from
the
Oak
Cliff
Community
organization
that
registered
two
concerns
that
they
had,
which
we
had
not
had
an
opportunity
to
meet
formally
with
so
I
want
to
make
certain
that
their
their
concerns
are
put
on
the
record,
and
then
we
sent
these
over
to
you,
deputy
director,
Dash
I,
appreciate
that
you
responded
to
both
of
the
concerns
and
after
I
read
these
into
the
record.
A
Perhaps
if
you
just
give
a
brief
explanation
as
to
why
you
chose
to
which
you
did
but
coming
from
the
Oak
Cliff
Community
organization
here,
the
first
concern
was
one
amendment
should
be
aimed
at
retaining
our
for
our
full
r1a
VH
zoning.
It
should
state
that
Parcels
28p,
27,
28,
P,
33,
28,
P,
36
and
28
P9
must
remain
zoned
as
r1a
VH
and
not
be
transferred
to
ucmc.
A
The
second
request
that
came
from
Oak
Cliff
Community
organization
was
a
second
amendment,
should
focus
on
proposed
uce
areas
along
the
boulevard
of
the
Allies
that
is
directly
across
from
our
r1a
VH
neighborhood
and
adjacent
to
areas
slated
to
become
zoned
as
ucmc.
We
suggest
zoning
this,
as
you
see
m:
u,
with
a
maximum
height
with
bonuses
of
85
feet
rather
than
uce.
A
Both
of
these
are
aimed
at
protecting
the
character
of
less
intensive
uses
of
the
current
zoning
from
impacts
of
more
intensive
uses
that
are
being
considered
for
new
zoning
that
will
affect
Oak
Cliff.
So,
director
deputy
director,
we
sent
these
over
to
you.
You
did
respond
so
as
I.
Just
don't
read
what
your
response
was
I'd
like
to
give
you
an
opportunity
as
to
how
you
responded
to
those
two
requests:
yeah.
C
And
if
we
have
a
chance
to
bring
up
the
map,
we
will,
but
if
not
I'll
just
speak
to
it.
The
post,
the
the
questions
that
were
that
were
being
brought
up
were
relative
to
a
series
of
properties
that
were
on
craft
Avenue.
Yes,
you
know
just
to
these.
What
is
that
the
southeast
of
the
boulevard
of
the
Allies
that
were
proposed
to
be
rezoned
from
r1a
to
ucmu
these?
C
These
Parcels
all
include
four
to
five
story:
apartment
buildings,
so
these
these
buildings
were
non-compliant
as
far
as
height
was
concerned,
non-compliant
as
far
as
use
is
concerned,
you
know
in
the
in
the
way
that
they
are
presently
zoned
and
so
and
then
those
blocks
of
craft
Avenue.
When
we
look
at
the
uses
that
are
on
there,
there
are
those
apartment
uses.
The
Children's
Center
is
on
that
the
Sunoco
gas
station
is
on
that
I
mean
it
really
does
serve.
C
As
you
know,
as
as
more
of
a
mixed-use
street
or
mixed
use,
you
know
those
are
mixed-use
blocks
and
so
having
those
rezoned
as
the
ucmu,
so
that
not
only
you
know
relative
to
the
current
uses,
but
thinking
about
the
nature
of
that
block
that
the
zoning
matched
you
know
what
the
intention
was.
You
know
for
that
block.
C
You
know
with
the
buildings
that
are
there,
but
also
moving
forward,
and
you
know,
and
that
you
know
with
things
like
the
green
buffer
and
things
like
the
height
reduction
Zone
and
the
adjacency
to
the
adjoining
r1a
District,
that
there
would
be
protections
for
the
adjacent.
You
know:
single-family
Row,
House
type
districts
that
are
further
to
the
south
in
Oak
Cliff,
so
relative
to
that
one
and
then
the
other.
The
other
item
was
relative.
C
And
that's
relative
to
essentially
two
sites.
One
is
a
former
Enterprise
car
rental
location
that
has
a
parcel
that
both
fronts
on
Forbes
Avenue
and
onto
the
boulevard
of
the
allies
and
then
the
adjacent
parcel
is
the
Hampton
Insight
on
you
know
on
Boulevard
of
the
Allies,
these
are
on
the
north
side
of
the
street.
C
You
know,
and
then
you
know
relative
to
I-
think
some
concerns
relative
to
you
know
to
height
on
the
boulevard
of
the
allies,
and
this
is
something
that
you
know,
City
Planning
had
you
know
had
talked
with
the
community
organizations,
both
at
some
of
their
monthly
meetings,
as
well
as
through
the
plan
process.
When
we're
receiving
comments
that,
with
the
step
back
requirements
that
are
in
the
zoning
code,
it
will
you
know
the
basically
the
frontage.
C
You
know
potential
Shadows
on
residential
neighborhoods
that
you
know
if
there
were
any
Shadows
from
taller
buildings
in
that
area
dependent
on
you
know
where
the
sun
would
be,
it
would
be
potentially
to
you,
know
the
West,
the
east
or
the
North.
You
know,
but
not
to
the
South,
where
you
know
which,
which
those
areas
to
in
those
directions
are
all
areas
that
are
either
zoned
Emi,
uce
or
ucmu.
Okay,.
A
E
A
What
we
find
we
have
here
today
are
some
changes
that
we
wish
to
see
or
wish,
not
to
say,
but
some
that
we
do
wish
to
see.
Based
on
on
comment
that
we've
collected
through
the
first
public
hearing
and
possibly
information
that
we
may
collect
through
the
second
public
hearing
is
I
summarize
that
too,
simply
yes,.
C
That's
well,
no
that's
correct,
so
the
Oakland
plan
was
adopted
by
the
Planning
Commission.
These
zoning
amendments
were
recommended
to
city
council
all
of
the
recommended.
You
know
all
the
things
that
we've
discussed
as
potential
amendments
past.
The
public
hearing
you
know
are
all
amendments
that
do
not
conflict
with
the
Oakland
plan.
You
know
and
and
the
recommendations
of
the
Oakland
plan
in
any
way.
C
A
Appreciate
that
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
was
part
of
the
record
director
you're
welcome
to
stay
here
with
us.
You're
welcome
to
not
stay
here
with
us.
Whatever
you
choose
to
you're
welcome
to
do
I
notice,
difficult
when
speakers
are
coming
in
your
backs
to
them,
so
whatever
you
choose
to
do,
you
can
do
I
would
like
to
move
on
to
our
registered
speakers.
We
have
40.
A
So
if
you,
if
you
find
that
you
come
to
the
microphone-
and
your
comments
have
already
been
stated-
you're
welcome
to
just
simply
say
that
your
comments
have
been
stated
and
you'd
like
to
reinforce
them.
We
are
going
to
begin
with
our
first
registered
speaker
that
is
Elena
zaitsoff
and
she
wishes
to
register
comment
in
opposition
Elena.
Welcome.
Thanks
for
your
patience,
you
have
the
floor.
F
I'm
Elaine
estatesoff
I
live
in
the
Oak
Cliff
neighborhood
today,
I'm
representing
the
Oakland
Community
organization
of
which
I'm
vice
president.
Our
letter
can
details
beyond
what
three
minutes
of
hours
has
been
submitted.
Bill
529,
creating
new
zoning
districts
in
Oakland
is
fraught
with
issues.
Oco
is
asking
the
council
does
not
pass
it
until
more
work
is
done
on
it.
Problems
exist
with
process
boundaries,
Dimensions
uses
and
the
performance
point
system.
Oco
is
not
against
development.
It
needs
to
be
done
in
a
manner
with
consideration
of
existing
residential
areas
and
impacts
on
residents.
F
This
plan
was
developed
without
either
and
the
three
months
since
the
first
hearing,
where
most
comments
were
negative.
There
has
been
no
Outreach
to
Oco
as
an
rco
or
to
its
residents
to
understand
our
issues,
explain
the
changes
since
September
or
work
towards
compromise
I
see.
Today
the
developers
were
given
that
courtesy
and
got
more
of
their
asks.
Oak,
Cliff,
Community
organization
is
not
opposed
to
some
commercial
Enterprise
in
Oakland.
However,
we
feel
we
should
have
a
say
in
it
Case
by
case,
since
we
are
the
ones
most
impacted.
F
Entire
residential
streets
should
not
be
vulnerable
to
demolition.
Boundaries
need
to
be
adjusted
so
residential
Parcels
are
not
blanketly
resumed.
This
calls
for
an
amendment
to
remove
residential
Parcels,
28p,
27,
33,
39
and
9,
as
well
as
Parcels
on
wellsford
board,
halkett
and
McKee
from
being
rezoned.
F
Well,
we
appreciate
the
lanes
being
reduced
from
400
to
250
feet.
It's
still
too
long
as
250
feet
is
the
city
block
Heights
of
210,
185
and
120.
Feet
do
not
belong
adjacent
to
residential
areas.
Cotard
Street
will
become
a
canyon
and
Oak
Cliff
will
become
walled
in
uce.
Zoning
allowing
Heights
of
210
feet
does
not
belong
right
across
from
Oak
Cliff.
That
height
is
not
in
keeping
with
McGee
hospital
or
the
Hampton
Inn
opr
districts
designed
to
protect
the
character
of
less
intensive
uses
from
impacts
of
more
intensive
uses
are
being
eliminated.
F
Gone
are
residential
compatibility
standards,
setbacks
and
other
protections
for
our
neighborhoods.
Our
tax
dollars
are
getting
us
less
protection
than
other
neighborhoods,
while
destroying
our
neighborhood.
The
youth
table
was
developed
by
city
planners
without
public
engagement.
The
performance
point
system
never
discussed
at
meetings
was
developed
by
city
planners.
After
all,
meetings
were
over
a
building
can
reach
maximum
height
through
points
which
don't
benefit
the
community
one-time
fines
for
failure
to
comply
amount
to
the
cost
of
doing
business,
to
get
more
height.
F
A
G
H
I
G
Summary
of
the
latest
amendments
less
than
two
weeks
ago
that
added
more
confusion
to
what
was
presented
by
city
planning
on
the
21st
of
November.
It
used
an
incorrect
legal
term
on
points
one
and
two
unprofessional
at
best
and
contained
a
vague
reference
to
some
restricted
standards
in
point:
seven
that
are
not
clear
to
me,
another
layer
of
fog
for
the
residents
to
Wade
through
the
process
to
build
this
bill
has
gone
through
gone
on
for
two
and
a
half
years.
It
was
wrong
from
the
start
and
continues
to
get
worse.
G
More
neighborhoods
will
be
needing
Community
plans,
it's
time
to
stop
the
current
process
and
create
a
new
one.
Other
neighborhoods
should
not
suffer
the
inefficient
priest,
presentations,
meetings
and
inattention
that
we
have.
The
open
plan
should
be
excused
and
pardoned
from
the
current
process
and
should
start
again
after
a
new
process
has
been
defined
and
put
in
place,
no
matter
how
long
that
takes
the
past
two
and
a
half
years
have
been
wasted.
We
deserve
a
new
start.
G
Did
you
know
that
the
proposed
plan
takes
plan
is
to
take
four
properties
out
of
our
out
of
R1
AVH
and
places
them
in
ucmu
inappropriately
wrong?
For
many
reasons,
the
proposed
plan
allows
many
New
Uses.
Have
they
been
fully
examined?
I
suspect.
Not.
The
proposed
plan
provides
extreme
Heights
and
lengths
that
impact
neighbors.
Has
anybody
examined
that
the
proposed
plan
will
increase
parking
in
nearby
neighborhoods
due
to
reduced
parking
requirements?
The
proposed
plan
will
change
the
character
vote
Click
by
introducing
retail
and
other
uses
with
no
Community
oversight.
G
The
proposed
text
for
revised
Oakland
zoning
wants
all
the
areas
together,
treating
them
as
one
unit
as
it
was
rolled
out
to
the
public.
These
zoning
areas
with
public
information
and
Associated
input,
should
have
been
treated
separately.
Do
you
know
how
many
of
the
original
steering
committee
and
those
who
have
written
the
ridiculous
592
are
still
around
Pittsburgh
I
know
many
who
have
left
Pittsburgh
or
moved
on
to
other
jobs?
Why
must
we
be
left
with
the
mess
that
they
created?
G
Did
you
know
that
many
consultants
about
various
topics
such
as
free
internet
were
a
waste
of
money
and
added
little
or
nothing
to
the
bill?
It
also
is
a
waste
of
Public's
time
and
team
meetings.
Did
you
know
that
most
of
the
steering
committee
had
no
idea
where
Oak
Cliff
was
located
and
I'm
guessing
that
they
had
never
been
on
the
Riverside
of
the
boulevard
of
the
Allies,
a
quick
walk
through
by
a
few
added
little
to
their
understanding
of
the
community?
G
A
D
Hello,
thank
you.
My
name
is
Andrea
boinkowicz
I
live
at
3439
Parkview
Avenue
in
central
Oakland
and
I
currently
serve
as
the
interim
director
of
Oakland
Planning
and
Development
Corporation
I
served
on
the
steering
committee
for
the
open
plan
process
and
my
first
trial,
colleagues
and
I
have
provided
extensive
feedback
to
the
Department
of
City
Planning
regarding
the
proposed
changes
to
Oakland's
residential
and
mixed
neighborhoods.
We
provided
this
input
during
the
planning
process,
hand
in
public
hearings
and
that
input
is
a
matter
of
public
record.
It
is
essential
for
the
Integrity
of
the
public
process.
D
The
conversations
about
zoning
amendments
that
affect
the
public
realm
and
the
future
development
or
Redevelopment
of
our
neighborhoods
happen
in
the
open.
That
said,
I
do
agree
with
deputy
director
Josh
that
the
Amendments
DCP
is
for
suggesting
here
are
not
in
conflict
with
the
spirit
of
the
plan
for
what
it's
worth.
Wanda
Wilson
provided
a
testimony
on
opdc's
behalf
in
September,
when
this
hearing
first
convened.
Among
the
points
that
she
made.
That
I
would
like
to
reiterate
is
our
concern
about
the
impact
of
large-scale
demolitions
in
the
neighborhood.
D
Apart
from
root
shock,
resulting
from
the
obliteration
of
local
landmarks
and
the
transformation
of
the
landscape,
Oakland
residents
are
most
directly
impacted
by
street
closures,
noise,
dust
utility
work
and
the
confusion
that
can
result
from
construction
activity
not
being
properly
coordinated
and
I
can
tell
you
firsthand.
This
is
happening
even
now.
We
recommend
a
demolition
review
overlay
be
put
in
place
to
coordinate
City
departments
to
respond
to
the
many
issues
that
will
surely
arise
from
the
changes
proposed
here
today.
D
I
would
also
like
to
reiterate
my
concerns
that
the
educational
classroom
space
is
still
included
as
a
special
exception
in
the
ucmu
district
classroom.
Space
associated
with
a
College,
Community,
College,
University
or
other
institution
of
Higher
Learning
is
properly
limited
to
the
Emi
District,
most,
especially
in
Oakland,
where
there
is
such
a
district
that
encompasses
the
campuses
and
campus
uses
of
our
institutional
neighbors.
Adding
classroom,
slash
educational
spaces
together
with
Laboratories
and
libraries
to
the
permitted
uses
of
the
ucmu
district
is
effectively
a
blueprint
for
the
backdoor
expansion
of
institutional
uses
beyond
the
Emi
boundaries.
D
A
A
J
Good
afternoon,
thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
testify.
I'm
Rob,
Squires
I
live
at
4301
Bigelow
Boulevard
in
Chile
Farms,
and
we
made
a
presentation
at
the
last
meeting
related
to
establishing
an
exemption
for
historic
neighborhoods
and
buildings,
and
I
would
just
like
to
suggest
to
the
council
that,
having
an
exception
for
established
historic,
neighborhoods
and
and
buildings
gives
an
opportunity
for
adaptive
reuse
to
occur.
J
A
A
K
Good
afternoon
I'm
Karen
Breen
of
brain
Associates,
I
live
in
Point
Breeze
and
my
office
is
in
East
Liberty
I'm
here
today
and
my
role
as
planning
consultant
to
Walnut
Capital.
We
respectfully
request
that
the
legislation
be
tabled
to
allow
further
work
on
both
process
and
substance.
First
I'd
like
to
address
process
much
care
has
been
taken
during
the
Oakland
plan
to
bring
the
public
along
that
same
care
has
not
been
taking
taken
with
the
zoning
change
process.
We've
repeatedly
requested
a
Redline
document
that
identifies
the
zoning
changes.
K
Although
various
documents
have
been
provided,
a
legal
Redline
version
has
not.
This
is
standard
practice
for
changes
to
law
and
the
absence
of
that
places.
The
onus
on
the
average
citizen,
let
alone
council
members
and
stakeholders
to
verify
that
all
changes
have
been
highlighted
and
it
increases
the
probability
that
there
will
be
additional
cleanup
to
the
bill
in
the
future.
Furthermore,
the
only
maps
that
are
referenced
in
the
zoning
text
are
those
that
are
posted
on
the
engage
PGH
website,
they're
confusing
at
best
misleading
at
worst.
K
For
example,
the
interactive
map
on
the
website
has
a
series
of
data
points
associated
with
different
dates,
showing
different
maximum
allowable
Heights.
We
respectfully
request
that,
prior
to
any
action
on
this
legislation,
an
official
dated
map
be
provided
to
accompany
the
text.
Next,
I'd
like
to
speak
to
the
substance,
the
legislation
before
you
restricts
the
recently
enacted
zoning
that
is,
the
basis
for
investments
in
planning
and
real
estate
transactions
for
some
of
the
most
expensive
land
in
Pittsburgh.
These
revisions
were
made
to
the
enacted
legislation
without
discussion
with
stakeholders
and
Property
Owners
further.
K
K
K
Finally,
the
youth
standards
for
educational
classroom
space
has
essentially
removed
classroom
buildings
from
the
ucmu
and
uce
districts,
as
these
points
illustrate
I'd
like
to
reiterate
that
the
draft
legislation
before
you
today
demands
more
time
and
attention
to
make
sure
that
the
spirit,
intention
and
details
of
the
open
plan
will
be
reflected
in
the
legislation.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
perfect
timing,
councilman,
if
you'll
indulge,
which
is
not
the
norm
at
public
hearing
per
se,
but
director
Dash,
our
deputy
director
Dash,
did
you
wish
to
register
a
comment
now
or
wait
till
the
end
of
all
speakers?
Perfect.
Thank
you
very
much
Karen.
Thank
you!
Randy
Sergeant!
You
are
the
next
registered
speaker
and
you
wish
to
register
comment
in
favor
of
and
we
just
lost
our
internet
connection.
Okay,
we'll
be
back
in
a
moment.
I'm
sure
we,
okay,
oh
good,
Randy,
are
you
with
us.
A
No
he's
not
here,
I'm
very
surprised
if
they
should,
if
any
of
the
ones
like
Mark
or
Randy
should
come
in,
we
will
take
them
later
on.
Our
next
registered
speaker,
then,
is
Richard
Kaplan.
He
too
wishes
to
register
comment
in
favor.
There's
no
Richard
Kaplan,
okay,
David
brennigan,
David
Branigan,
is
our
next
registered
speaker
wishing
to
register
common
and
David
is
not
here.
This
does
not
vote.
Well.
Forgive
me.
Eric
Mecca,
dang,
dang,
I,
hope,
I
said
that
correctly,
Eric
is
not
with
us
either
Jody
Lincoln
is
Jody
Lincoln
with
us.
A
A
L
Okay,
okay,
thank
you,
Council
and
thank
you,
members
of
the
planning
staff
I
wanted
to
thank
everybody
for
their
time
and
effort
through
the
last
three
plus
years
of
the
spinning
effort.
This
is
something
that
I
think
will
transform
the
way.
Oakland
will
look
in
the
future
and
something
that
will
be
transformative
for
not
just
the
fifth
and
fourth
Corridor,
but
for
our
Region's
economic
future.
On.
L
A
A
N
N
H
N
N
N
N
I
wholeheartedly
support
the
efforts
of
the
Pittsburgh
Innovation
District,
you
just
heard
from
Mike
Madden
and
also
Sean
Luther,
to
position
Oakland
among
the
top
Innovation
districts
in
the
country,
but
this
will
require
the
new
zoning
code
contain
achievable
height
and
density.
Provisions,
says
you
better
targeted
bonuses
to
create
the
next
generation
of
innovation,
research
and
lab
space,
as
currently
drafted.
The
zoning
proposal
includes
extraordinarily
expensive
costs
for
heightened
density.
It
is
not
competitive
with
other
Innovation
districts
around
the
country.
N
N
One
of
the
challenges
with
open
is
the
lack
of
large,
open,
buildable
Lots,
so
listen
enough
density
can
be
provided
with
this
new
code.
One
of
two
things
will
happen:
either
we'll
spend
the
next
years
in
litigation
seeking
variances
and
otherwise.
Uncertainty
of
developments
or
more
troubling
is
a
lot
of
open.
Will
be
torn
down
in
order
to
get
a
footprint
big
enough
to
accommodate
new
development.
A
Henry,
thank
you.
Your
three
minutes
ran
out
you're.
Welcome,
though,
to
send
your
comment
via
email
into
the
clerk's
office
and
I'll
be
happy
to
make
certain
that
it
is
distributed
to
all
members.
Next
registered
speaker
is
amnesty,
Rico,
sandstrom
and
amnesty
is
not
with
us.
Carol
Hardiman
is
not
with
us.
How
about
Helen
Gerhart
Helen
is
not
with
us.
How
about
Ron
Levick.
A
A
H
H
H
H
But
without
those
development
we'll
have
nothing
here,
I
mean
we
have
to
also,
but
when
toga
hit,
we
had
nothing
so
by
letting
these
big
companies
coming
like
Walnut
capital
and
pick
right
next
door
to
us.
We
had
issues
we
resolved
them.
They've
been
great
neighbors,
any
issue
we
had.
They
took
care
of
us.
No
questions
asked.
I
A
E
Thank
you,
councilman,
and
thanks
for
your
time
and
council's
significant
work
to
keep
these
issues
moving
forward
and
the
city.
Many
speakers
today
have
already
raised
and
will
continue
to
raise
ballot
and
specific
points
that
we
support,
including
limited
sub
districts,
building
Heights
the
ability
to
realistically
utilize.
E
The
bonus
points
is
written
ability
to
include
University
uses
and
building
lines,
so
I'll
not
go
into
detail
and
belabor
those
issues,
but
point
you
back
to
technical
experts
like
Karen,
green
and
Community
leaders
like
Mike
Madden,
who
have
spent
so
much
time
and
effort
things
into
the
building.
The
new
and
now
adopted
neighborhood
plan.
However,
I
do
want
to
reinforce
that
the
issues
being
raised
today
are
not
done
so
in
a
vacuum.
E
The
final
decision,
one
of
the
Oakland's
zoning
code
looks
like,
will
have
very
real
impacts
on
the
development
framework
and
may
work
directly
against
our
goals
to
build
an
inclusive,
Innovation
District
that
creates
jobs
and
Economic
Opportunity
for
as
many
pittsburghers
as
possible.
We
are
particularly
concerned
about
three
items:
the
inability
to
build
lab
and
health
Tech
facilities,
which
are
particularly
valuable
employment
drivers.
E
They
require
the
most
adjacency
to
University,
Research
centers,
the
likelihood
of
developers
using
the
zoning
appeals
process
and
invalidating
the
adopted
neighborhood
plan
and
circumventing
city
council's
land
use,
Authority
and
development
pressure
on
nearby
residential
neighborhoods
not
covered
by
the
Bonus
structure
for
developers
seeking
appropriate
Heights
the
opportunity
to
create
economic
growth
and
opportunity
out
of
an
updated
zoning
plan
for
Oakland
and
The
Innovation
district
is
vast.
We
continue
to
appreciate
the
hard
work
that
staff
Partners
in
Oakland
have
played
in
building
this
next
Generation
code.
E
However,
these
are
complicated
issues
and
we
do
not
believe
the
current
legislation
fully
solves
for
what
we
need
in
the
community.
Therefore,
we
respectfully
request
that
you
table
this
proposal
and
allow
more
time
to
work
with
staff
and
build
a
plan
that
accelerates,
rather
than
in
its
our
translation
of
Pittsburgh's
Innovation
and
academic
athletes
into
jobs
grinders
for
all
of
Western
Pennsylvania.
Thank
you
all
very
much
for
your
time.
Thank.
A
P
Good
afternoon,
and
thank
you
for
your
time
this
afternoon
and
and
to
councilman
and
councilwoman
strasberger.
Thank
you.
Oakland
is
the
third
most
significant
economic
engine
in
Pennsylvania,
it's
home
to
world-class
institutions
like
Pitt,
UPMC
and
Carnegie
Mellon,
it's
home
to
many
companies,
retailers
and
professionals,
most
of
all,
it's
home
to
a
dwindling
number
of
residents.
The
purpose
of
zoning
is
to
create
a
legal
framework
which
governs
the
use
of
land.
P
P
There
are
a
couple
of
areas
I'd
like
to
focus
on
in
my
remarks
and
also
ask,
as
many
of
the
speakers
have
asked
earlier
today,
that
we
table
action
on
this
until
we
get
it
right.
The
first
area
is
on
the
performance
points.
The
performance
points
metrics
as
proposed
are,
in
many
cases,
unattainable
and
impossible
to
achieve,
thereby
defeating
their
purpose,
for
example,
with
respect
to
affordability,
which
is
something
that
I
know
almost
everybody
Embraces.
P
The
code
requires
an
adherence
to
various
metrics
which
are
inconsistent
with
many
of
the
funding
programs
that
are
necessary
to
build
these
developments.
Simply
you
cannot
have
a
framework
that
requires
apples
that
have
the
funding
programs
only
deliver
oranges.
The
result
of
these
inconsistencies
will
be
that
no
units
will
be
built
that
rely
on
these
programs,
also
with
respect
to
energy,
height
and
density.
Many
of
the
requirements
put
in
there
are
again
simply
unattainable
again.
The
purpose
of
the
points
is
to
create
robust
development
into
encourage
developers
to
do
more.
P
The
the
effects
of
these
Point
systems
being
unattainable
and
difficult
to
achieve
is
that
they
will
encourage
the
opposite,
which
is
developers
to
not
develop
at
all
or,
ultimately,
to
do
less.
I
think
that
there
are
also
items
that
we've
highlighted
before,
with
respect
to
bulk
regulations
in
respect
to
operational
considerations
that
need
to
be
addressed.
P
Many
of
the
items
are
contained
in
the
ordinance
are
good
and
worth
discussing,
but
unfortunately
for
a
region
as
important
as
Oakland
and
with
the
stakes
being
so
high
good
in
almost
getting
it
isn't.
Good
enough
I
would
therefore
ask
once
again
that
these
that
the
passage
of
the
legislation
be
tabled
until
the
inconsistencies
in
the
ordinance
can
be
fixed,
because
I
think
this
is
too
important
and
I
think
everybody
agrees
on
this
point
for
us
to
get
it
wrong.
Thank
you.
A
M
Yes,
great,
hey
y'all,
my
name
is
David
Botts
I'm,
the
chapter
lead
of
local,
non-profit
Pro
housing
Pittsburgh,
and
we
strongly
urge
Council
to
make
some
changes
to
the
proposed
rezoning
of
Oakland
prior
to
passage,
and
so
at
this
time
we
strongly
urge
Council
to
table
The
Proposal
until
these
changes
are
made,
I
wanted
to
start
with
one
Guiding
Light
that
we
have
as
an
organization.
Housing
is
too
expensive
and
one
of
the
primary
reasons
it's
too
expensive
is
that
we
simply
do
not
build
enough
of
it.
M
Unfortunately,
the
reason
for
this
is
often
zoning
regulations
like
the
one
before
Council
are
often
far
too
restrictive
and
spend
too
much
time
and
effort
catering
to
local
landowners,
rather
than
the
greater
good
of
the
city.
Additionally,
we
firmly
believe
that
Oakland
is
a
place
of
tremendous
opportunity
and
one
that
more
people
deserve
to
live
and
work
in,
while
we're
happy
to
see
that
the
zoning
plan
will
allow
for
Greater
Heights
to
be
built
in
Oakland
in
theory.
M
The
unfortunate
aspect
is
the
death
by
a
thousand
paper
cuts
of
how
developers
can
actually
reach
those
Heights
an
order.
A
system
of
bonus
points,
restrictions
and
limitations
will
harm
the
economic
viability
of
many
projects
which
will
lead
to
one
result
reducing
the
amount
of
housing
that
gets
built.
We've
seen
this
play
out
in
cities
across
the
country,
so
it's
nothing
unique,
but
the
opportunity
we
have
today
with
the
rezoning
of
Oakland
is
to
write
these
wrongs.
M
We
encourage
the
council
to
amend
the
legislation
to
make
zoning
more
permissive
and
bonus
points
easier
to
hit
in
order
to
encourage
the
building
of
abundant
and
affordable
housing.
We
encourage
them
to
allow
Greater
Heights,
especially
for
residential
uses
as
of
right
and
make
bonus
points
easier
to
hit,
so
we
can
encourage
more
residential
construction,
allow
greater
building
widths,
especially
for
residential
uses,
as
of
right.
M
Allow
zero
lotlines
for
residential
buildings
in
order
to
get
more
housing
housing
built
on
each
lot,
reduce
requirements
for
Upper
Floor
step
backs
which
reduce
the
number
of
units
that
can
be
built,
each
restriction
requirement
or
mandate.
The
council
includes
in
these
zonings
regulations,
will
increase
the
cost
of
construction,
which
directly
hits
the
rents
of
individuals
that
will
pay
to
rent
these
units.
In
some
cases,
the
regulations
will
completely
kill
otherwise
viable
projects.
All
of
these
outcomes
are
bad
for
our
residents
and
bad
for
open.
M
Q
Q
For
being
here,
sorry
about
that
yeah,
thank
you
for
having
me
I
appreciate
it.
Yes,
but
I
am
in
opposition
of
this,
because
I
do
believe.
We
need
to
spend
the
time
and
focus
on.
What's
your
result
and
success
here,
many
I've
got
many
of
these
calls
and
many
times
we
speak
to
the
people
who
want
this
to
happen
and
need
this
to
happen
to
bring
Innovation
to
Pittsburgh.
I
I
am
one
of
those
people
I'm
a
venture
capitalist
early
stage.
Q
Our
new
company
is
inside
outside
bringing
them
to
Pittsburgh
is
my
goal.
This
is
the
place
where
companies
Thrive
the
cost
of
living
here,
the
the
ability
to
work
with
our
University
system,
such
a
tight-knit
Community
like
ours,
it's
so
unique.
It
is
so
unique
and
I've
been
preaching
about
this
for
so
long
and
it's
harder
to
to
get
people
understand
that
that
Innovation
is
a
process
that
takes
place.
Q
The
city
council
team
I'm,
looking
at
right
here
on
my
screen
to
the
developer,
to
launch
the
wars
to
the
capital
Partners
like
myself,
to
the
communities
in
which
we
lean
on
for
advice
and
consultation,
and
we
need
to.
We
need
to
learn
how
to
thread
that
and
how
to
intertwine
that
into
these
processes,
so
that
we
can
mimic
some
of
the
most
successful
Innovation
hubs
out
there,
like
the
Bay
Area,
like
Atlanta,
like
Austin
Texas,
like
Miami
New,
York
Boston.
Q
A
A
O
O
Classroom
space
is
to
be
broadly
defined
to
include
ancillary
utilization
by
Educational
Institute
institutions
based
on
my
experience,
leasing
office
space
in
Oakland
I
expect
that
the
50
percent
cap
on
usage
will
have
a
significant
deleterious
effect
on
occupancy
of
the
buildings
within
the
uce
and
UC
andu
districts.
At.
A
A
R
R
We
are
also
in
opposition
to
some
of
the
density
requirements
along
the
brt
line
in
this
uce
district,
and
we
would
also
like
it
to
be
considered
an
Innovation
Zone.
We
don't
do
a
lot
of
r
d
at
Carlo,
so
it's
important
for
this
area
to
attract
those
types
of
businesses,
life
sciences
and
medical
technology,
businesses,
so
that
our
students
can
have
that
in
their
environment.
Thank
you.
Thank.
S
That's
correct
yep,
so
first
I
just
want
to
say
I
agree
with
most
everything
of
Henry
Schwartz
had
said
about
in
a
Innovation
districts
and
competing
with
other
cities,
and
that
David
said
David
vatz
said
in
connection
to
housing,
so
my
name
is
lud
Kaplan
I'm,
a
new
Pittsburgh
resident
I,
moved
here
a
few
months
ago
from
the
San
Francisco
Bay
area,
which
has
a
totally
unaffordable
and
undersupplied
housing
market.
So
I
like
policies
that
increase
housing
Supply
and
make
it
easier
for
people
to
build
homes.
S
So,
overall,
what
what
you
guys
are
doing
overall
I'm
supportive
of
but
before
the
council
votes
I
want
to
I
would
like
you
guys
to
pause
and
reconsider
the
height
and
length
limits
those
should
be
higher
so
that
we
can
maximize
the
possible
number
of
new
homes
and
encourage
development
in
this
economically
important
part
of
Pittsburgh,
especially
in
the
newly
identified
Urban
centers.
The
two
urban
center
zones.
S
Excuse
me:
there
are
a
lot
of
jobs
in
Oakland
and
I
can
tell
you
from
experience
that
being
able
to
live
near
your
job
is
an
incredible
quality
of
life.
Boost
I
was
fortunate
enough
to
be
able
to
walk
to
my
job
for
many
many
years
and
I
hope
that
we
can
give
that
same
experience
to
Future
residents
of
Oakland.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
Thanks.
I
Jim
welcome
and
councilman
cross
cross
and
women's
strasbarger
director
Dash.
My
name
is
James
Williams
and
I'm.
The
senior
director
for
City
County
government
relations
at
the
University
of
Pittsburgh,
presenting
a
statement
on
behalf
of
the
University.
We
appreciate
the
city's
efforts
in
undertaking
the
important
task
of
rezoning
in
Oakland.
Unfortunately,
even
with
the
most
recent
amendments,
the
ordinance
will
have
the
unintended
consequence
of
stifling
new
development
and
innovation
in
Oakland,
including
University
projects
that
have
been
discussed
at
length
with
the
city
and
the
public.
I
The
current
ordinance
restricts
educational
classroom
space
to
50
percent
of
a
building's
floor
area
in
the
uce.
This
will
directly
impact
the
University's
ability
to
bring
Innovative
development
along
5th
and
Forbes.
We
strongly
encourage
that
at
a
minute,
at
a
minimum,
the
limit
to
be
increased
to
80
percent,
to
provide
flexibility
and
collaboration
consistent
with
the
spirit
of
the
ordinance.
The
maximum
building
length
should
be
amended
to
permit
up
to
300
feet
of
building
length.
I
The
original
ordinance
permitted
a
maximum
building
length
of
400
feet
and
the
Planning
Commission
recommended
this
to
be
reduced
without
specifying
a
number.
The
most
recent
draft
includes
a
250
foot
limit,
which
is
far
too
restrictive
for
the
fifth
Forbes
Avenue
Corridor.
Changing
the
maximum
permitted
length
to
300
feet
is
a
minor
change,
consistent
with
the
commission's
recommendation
and
the
properties
in
Oakland.
Finally,
the
university-owned
properties
along
Oakland
Avenue
should
not
be
rezoned
to
rmu.
I
During
the
2021
institutional
master
plan
process,
the
university
clearly
stated
this
its
intent
to
rezone
these
properties
to
Emi
rezoning
to
rmu
is
inconsistent
with
the
Imp
process
and
prohibit
prohibits
dormitory
uses
directly
contradicting
the
university
and
communities
intentions
for
the
property
at
a
minimum.
The
property
should
be
excluded
from
the
rezoning.
These
are
three
minor
changes
that
could
be
made
without
returning
the
legislation
to
the
Planning
Commission.
However,
the
ordinance
will
have
significant
wide-reaching
impact
and
the
university
urges
the
city
to
consider
sending
the
legislation
back
to
the
Planning
Commission
for
further
Community
review.
A
Thank
you
you're
welcome
to
leave
your
comments
with
the
clerk
Yip.
Thank
you
I'll
make
certain
that
they
are
distributed.
Thank
you
very
much.
Next,
we
have
well
I
have
to
I
think
I
have
to
go
back
to
some
as
well,
we'll
go
to
Georgia.
First
next
we
have
Georgia
petropolis,
Oakland
business,
improvement,
district
or
Georgia.
Welcome.
Thank.
T
You
welcome
good
afternoon
Council
on
behalf
of
obid.
We
thank
you.
Your
offices,
we
Factor
it.
We
thank
director,
Abrams
assistant
director
Dash
and
their
teams
for
taking
the
extra
time
necessary
these
past
few
months
to
revise
the
plan,
so
it
may
have
the
most
positive.
Lasting
impact
planning
for
the
future
of
Oakland
is
planning
for
the
future
of
Pittsburgh,
and
we
ask
for
more
time
to
make
sure
we
get
it
right.
Obid
is
100
aligned
with
the
mission
and
vision
of
the
Oakland
plan.
Like
you,
we
want
a
city
of
opportunity
for
all.
T
We
all
agreed
that
the
current
zoning
code
was
outdated
and
needed
to
be
updated
to
meet
the
ambitious
goals
of
the
plan
in
order
to
create
an
opportunity
for
all
whether
you
live
work
or
study
in
Oakland
now
or
in
the
future.
The
future
will
not
look
like
the
past.
This
future
will
be
built
on
the
successes
of
the
past.
Oakland
will,
of
course,
continue
to
have
the
successful
and
flourishing
low-density
neighborhoods
that
we
experience
today.
We
support
these
neighborhoods
to
continue
to
thrive
and
to
complement
these
successful
communities.
T
We
will
also
have
areas
of
higher
density
needed
to
meet
the
goals
of
the
plan.
Part
of
this
transformation
of
Oakland
must
look
at
what
is
needed
to
create
the
vibrant
and
mixed-cused
neighborhoods
of
the
future,
where
working
professionals
can
build
their
careers
where
families
and
individuals
in
all
stages
of
their
lives
can
access,
affordable
housing
options
and
where
all
pittsburghers
can
start
a
business
and
benefit
from
the
economic
might
of
Oakland,
where
wealth
building
can
be
accessed
by
all.
T
T
Today
we
asked
Council
to
table
the
vote
and
to
send
it
back
to
staff,
to
rework
the
code
to
better
align
with
the
vision
and
goals
of
the
plan
to
meet
the
Equinox
that
also
meets
the
economic
potential
of
the
Innovation
District,
as
you've
heard
from
many
of
my
partners
today.
This
draft
still
has
some
issues
that
need
to
be
addressed
and
I
will
just
highlight.
What's
already
been
heard,
there
is
still
is
confusion
around
the
building
height
maximum
in
the
uce
district.
T
We
support
the
use
of
bonus
points
to
encourage
quality
development,
but
the
current
system
will
discourage
development
use.
It
has
the
potential
to
be
more
effective.
We
need
sub-districts
to
respond
to
Parcels
such
as
the
Oakland
portal
that
require
different
contexts
than
the
fifth
and
Forbes
corridors
building
length
limits
are
Income
incompatible
with
development
plans
underway,
and
we
seek
to
have
building
lengths
to
reach
300
feet
to
be
competitive
in
peer
districts.
T
And
lastly,
as
you
just
heard
from
my
partner
at
the
University
of
Pittsburgh
and
from
Carlow
University,
we
also
ask
increase
the
threshold
in
the
UCA
if
classroom
use.
The
planning
industry
today
recognizes
that
uses
need
to
be
mixed,
especially
if
they're
compatible,
whether
it's
office,
whether
it's
home,
whether
it's
classroom
these
could
work.
Thank.
A
U
Street
in
South
Oakland,
my
testimony
today
expands
on
points
of
opposition,
there's
so
great
concern.
I
strongly
object
a
three-minute
limit,
plus
a
written
statement
with
no
opportunity
to
ask
questions
that
will
actually
be
answered
on
the
very
limited
time
essentially
days
to
review
changes
from
the
last
iteration
of
this
legislation
almost
three
months
ago,
some
of
which
contain
incorrect
legal
phrases
and
reference
with
no
explanations.
U
I
want
to
say
it
again
for
the
record
that
I
am
not
opposed
to
some
changes
in
zoning
or
new
development,
but
I
am
opposed
to
vastly
overreaching
changes
in
massive
development
that
will
permanently
and
detrimental
be
permanently
detrimental
and
one
step
closer
to
eliminating
even
more
residential
area.
In
any
true
sense
of
community,
the
former
Marathon
gas
station
is
being
redeveloped
now
without
a
single
variance
or
this
legislation.
I
continue
to
challenge
council
president
kale
Smith
to
reveal
the
location
of
the
abundance
of
slums.
She
referred
to
that
justify
these
catastrophic
changes.
U
I
do
support
expanding
inclusionary
zoning
in
Oakland,
but
again
the
fact
that
maximum
Heights
can
be
achieved
without
any
affordable
bonus.
Any
affordable
housing
points
requires,
at
least
that
change
in
a
more
thorough
review
overall
over
the
point
system
and
addressing
the
affordable
criteria
and
extend
the
fines
for
failure
to
comply
with
any
bonus.
Point
requirements
should
be
for
the
life
of
the
building.
The
Oakland
inclusionary
zoning
should
be
set
present
presented
separately,
like
it
was
with
every
other
expansion
in
the
city.
Numerous.
D
U
Refer
to
the
very
unique
nature
of
Oakland,
yet
these
UC,
then
our
zones
are
not
a
proper
replacement
for
the
nature
and
content
and
intent
of
the
open
public
realm
or
the
residential
compatibility
standards.
If
you
look
at
the
height
reduction
Zone
code
simply
stripping
away
the
protections
against
large
buildings
adversely
affecting
adjacent
residential
property.
This
change,
combined
with
vast
resulting
of
current
residential
areas
like
wellsford,
Street,
Ward,
Street,
McKee,
Place,
Hawkins,
Street
and
place
significantly
produces
any
real
buffer
in
terms
of
height
of
buildings
next
to
homes.
U
That
is
especially
true
for
the
area
encircle
in
coldheart
Avenue,
where
ground
level
is
an
extra
20
to
30
feet
lower
than
surrounding
zoning
changes.
Nobody
wants
to
live
next
to
such
buildings,
where
we're
sit
behind
them
current
building
as
Forbes
and
coal.
Dart
is
a
perfect
example
that
monstrous
negative
effect
by
removing
these
protections
and
other
increases
and
changes.
The
literal
walls
along
the
long
image
adjacent
to
the
boulevard
of
the
Allies
will
isolate
for
both
South
Oakland
even
further
and
obliterate.
U
The
view
of
the
Cathedral
of
Learning,
the
thousands
of
South
Oakland
residents,
have
enjoyed
and
cherished
a
sense
of
place
in
connection
for
nearly
100
years.
Please
do
not
allow
this
terrible,
inadequate,
substitute
and
necessary
changes
to
irreversibly
destroy
the
Heritage
city
council
to
reject
our
table
to
further
modify
this
legislation
with
more
improper
residential
Community
input.
U
Changes
should
separate
out
inclusionary
zoning,
restore
and
create
a
better
substitute
for
residential
compatibility
standards,
produce
the
maximum
Heights
given
by
points
and
expand
the
process
to
point
to
get
points
for
some
Community
input
on
the
impacts
of
those
Heights
and
massing
similar
to
the
zoning
board
hearings.
I
will
be
sending
a
more
detailed
written
statement
along
with
this.
Thank
you.
A
E
A
That
exhausts
our
list
of
registered
speakers.
If
there's
anyone
here
who
wishes
to
register
comment
that
is
not
registered
now's
the
time
to
do
so.
No
anyone
online
that
we
have
not
got
to
Alex
that
may
wish
to
register
comment.
Okay,
then
I'm
going
to
close
the
public
comment
portion
of
this
public
hearing
councilwoman.
If
you'll
indulge
me
just
for
one
minute,
I
know
deputy
director
Dash
wish
to
to
sort
of
address
some
of
the
comments
that
were
made.
A
V
A
I'm
going
to
just
Echo
your
comment
for
the
sake
of
brevity
councilwoman
and
and
thank
one
and
all
for
a
tremendous
effort,
a
lot
of
work
director.
Let
me
ask
you
just
one
question,
though
there
were
a
number
of
requests
to
table
the
legislation.
The
timeline
in
which
we
are
on
here
to
complete
this
is
a
legal
timeline.
Is
that
correct.
C
What
the
timing
of
what
we
presently
have
approval
for
as
far
as
the
length
of
you
know,
as
far
as
the
timeline
or
Corey
Layman,
zoning
administrator
is
on
as
well,
if
either
one
of
them
might
be
able
to
respond
to.
You
know
what
we
have
requested
to
city
council,
that
you
know
as
to
the
length
of
time
I'm.
A
W
It
would
take
me
probably
30
seconds
to
figure
out
the
exact
date
but
City
the
Planning
Commission
is
acting
as
the
applicant,
and
so
they
have
agreed
to
two
30-day
extensions
for
Council
to
hear
the
legislation
and
complete
the
public
hearing
so
we're
we
are
closing
in
on
the
2nd
of
those
30-day
extensions.
Although
that
does
now
I
guess
that
does
now
close
out
the
time
frame
that
Council
had
to
hear
the
public
hearing
great.
A
A
Comment.
No.
Thank
you
all
very
much
I
appreciate
you
being
here
today.
I
know
this
is
a
a
difficult
topic,
but
we
are
committed
to
to
see
it
through
and
we
will
director
deputy
director.
Thank
you
councilwoman.
Thank
you.
If
there's
nothing
further
I'm
going
to
call
for
a
motion,
then,
to
conclude
this.
A
V
Apologies
one
more
question
didn't
know:
if,
if
Kate,
you
were
able
to
pull
up
that
exact
date,
just
while
we
have
everyone
listening
to
try
to
minimize
the
number
of
individual
Communications
necessary,
don't
mean
to
put
you
in
the
spot,
but
if
you
were
looking
it
up,
I
wanted
to
see.
If
you
had
found
it.