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After
being
called,
please
restate
your
name
and
neighborhood
for
the
record
you'll
be
given
three
minutes
to
speak.
Our
one
registered
speaker
is
Naomi
Mullen.
E
Good
morning,
Davey
trees
not
shady
deals
in
Bonaire.
According
to
the
Pennsylvania
Constitution,
the
purpose
of
government
is
for
the
peace,
safety
and
happiness
of
the
people
they
serve.
The
Bonaire
Memorial
green
state
is
the
solution
for
the
peace,
safety
and
happiness
us
Upon,
Our
Community,
without
that
there
is
no
valid
governance,
join
our
supporters,
mayor,
Gainey,
councilman,
coghill
and
state
representative
phantom
for
the
creation
of
a
green
space
to
get
rid
of
the
detrimental
buildings
that
sits
there.
Now
Pennsylvania
was
one
of
the
13
colonies
that
stood
against
the
tyranny
of
England.
E
I
assure
you
that
they
did
not
think,
but
the
citizens
were
childlike
mentalities
and
could
not
make
their
own
choices.
We
do
not
consent
to
a
detrimental
building
remaining
it's
decaying
in
the
community,
and
we
have
built
and
maintained
this
community
for
her
mayor,
Pete,
peduto,
Was,
Defeated
and
left
in
disgrace.
He
appointed
a
panel
that
claimed
the
bonniere
elementary
building
should
remain.
We,
the
people
of
Bon
Air,
have
driven
past
former
school
buildings
and
heard
the
story
of
defecation
in
the
hallways
and
criminal
acts
around
those
buildings.
E
This
was
read
at
my
husband's
funeral
retired
Mike
Mullen
touched
the
lives
of
many
people,
his
uncompromising
dedication
to
his
sworn
duty,
to
provide
for
the
safety
of
the
citizens
of
Pittsburgh
with
truly
exceptional
and
one
that
should
be
emulated
by
every
firefighter.
He
loves,
sharing
his
knowledge
of
firefighting
in
all
its
many
aspects,
to
make
our
firefighters,
safer,
smarter
and
more
efficient
on
the
play
around
making
most
of
the
firefighters
on
the
entire
fit
for
Bureau
of
fires
by
their
first
name
and
was
always
approachable
regardless
of
Frank.
E
If
you
had
a
question,
he
would
stop
what
he
was
doing
to
answer
it.
He
worked
tirelessly
but
also
energetically,
his
entire
career
and
pursuit
of
more
knowledge.
His
legacy
will
serve
our
citizens
and
firefighters
for
years
to
come.
Michael
J
Mullen
lived
his
whole
life
as
his
obituary,
so
accurately
described.
Michael's,
passionate,
powerless,
dedicated,
highly
conscientious
and
caring
well
done.
Michael
well
done
rest
in
peace.
My
friend
Shady
trees,
not
shady
deals
and
Bon
Air.
A
F
I
live
at
715,
Mercer
Street,
that's
up
in
the
Hill
district
up
of
Bedford
Avenue
today!
Well,
yesterday,
I
came
and
I
started.
Talking
I
forgot
to
tell
you
citizens
that
are
90.5.
Our
president
of
council
spoke
in
the
morning,
but
they
also
come
back
in
the
afternoon.
I
forgot
to
tell
you,
but
you
you
can
call,
and
they
said
that
they
would
replay
it
now.
This
morning
our
mayor
was
on
the
radio.
F
Now
I
listened
to
the
mayor
and
he
was
talking
about
I
think
he
was
tooting
his
own
horn
about
what
he
had
done.
But
what
I
want
you
to
understand
this,
that
when
we
had
that
funeral
and
they
called
the
police,
the
families
called
the
police
and
said
there
may
be
problems
because
of
the
gangs.
They
had
one
policeman
up
there
watching
the
funeral,
but
then
they
called
him
away
as
soon
as
they
caught
him
away.
That's
when
they
bombarded
the
church,
they
were
waiting.
F
F
Say
we
live
up
there
and
Katie
where
others
we
had
a
woman
that
has
beaten
up
three
women
that
has
stolen
and
has
threatened
even
me
that
I
better
keep
my
mouth
shut
or
is
going
to
be
problems,
but
my
daughter
that
came
from
Georgia,
that's
taking
care
of
me,
stepped
to
her
and
told
her
leave
my
mom
alone.
Now
what
I
have
is
a
problem?
We
called
the
police
and
told
them
that
there.
F
F
They
want
all
we
want,
but
it's
the
manager
that
they
pay
attention
to
I
want
you
to
know
that
they
call.
We
call
about
the
woman.
They
send
six
men,
six
men,
they
can't
stop.
They
can't
search
her.
So
to
me
it's
that
they
don't
want
to
do
it.
They
don't
want
to
come
and
follow
through,
because
this
should
be
a
woman.
If
we're
telling
you
that
there's
a
woman,
that's
beating
up
the
people
and
it's
in
the
building.
Why
do
we
send
men
and
they
can't
strip
searching
they
can't
do
it?
F
Do
you
understand
I'm,
coming
down
here
and
I'm
tired,
I'm,
tired
of
coming
and
trying
to
talk
to
you
I've
watched
people
when
they
come
and
say?
Thank
you
for
letting
me
speak
I,
don't
say!
Thank
you
because
I
read
the
rules.
Your
rules
say
that
we
as
Citizens
are
supposed
to
be
able
to
speak.
You
ain't
doing
this.
No
favorite,
because
you
talk
while
we're
talking
you
you
Texas,
especially
Mr
Lavelle
must
have
a
business
he's
trying
to
take
care
of
because
he's
texting,
even
Mr,
Don
Dr
Miller
said.
F
G
Good
morning
my
name
is
Flora
Ella
Williams.
What
I
would
like
to
talk
about
is
getting
something
for
the
young
children
to
do
after
school.
When
I
was
going
to
school.
We
had
a
gay
boys
club
and
well,
we
still
have
the
library,
but
it's
not
as
used
as
much
as
it
should,
but
the
children
don't
have
any
activities
to
do
after
school,
so
they
run
to
trouble
now
if
they
had
someone
to
teach
them
starting.
G
Seven,
eight
and
nine
years
old,
the
danger
of
guns,
the
danger
of
arguments
and
things
that
build
up
that
people
are
getting
too
many
of
our
young
children
are
dying,
you're
killing
one
another.
They
don't
understand
what
life
is
about,
because
no
one
is
teaching
them.
So
if
we
can
get
together
and
get
some
type
of
activity
for
children
after
school
that
they
won't
have
time
enough
to
be
going
around
fighting
each
other
telling
people
what
what
streets
they
can
walk
on.
Everything
belongs
to
everyone,
but
they're
not
being
taught.
G
Now
we
need
like
a
club
or
something
for
the
young
children
to
go
to
someone
to
teach
them.
What
they're
supposed
to
do,
and
not
supposed
to
do?
We
don't
have
anybody
to
eat,
to
help
the
young
children
and
all
they
can
think
about,
is
fighting
in
danger.
Thank
you
very
much
for
letting
me
speak.
Thank.
A
C
H
Motion
tuber
discussion.
Second
councilman.
Thank
you.
Mr,
chair
in
in
the
light
of
working
with
the
procurement
office,
I
want
to
hold
this
a
week,
so
we
get
everything
right
motion.
J
You
I
just
wanted
to
note
that
I
was
previously
listed
as
a
co-sponsor
of
this,
and
I
just
wanted
to
note
that
I
still
am
a
co-sponsor
I'd
like
to
be
added
back
on.
Okay.
Thank
you.
K
G
K
B
1100
resolution
to
authorize
and
direct
the
incurring
of
non-electoral
debt
through
the
issuance
of
a
series
of
General
obligation,
bonds
of
the
city
of
Pittsburgh,
clear,
okay,
excuse
me
resolution
to
authorize
and
direct
the
incurring
of
non-electoral
debt
through
the
issuance
of
a
series
of
General
obligation,
bonds
of
the
city
of
Pittsburgh
in
the
maximum
aggregate
principal
amount
of
67
million.
Six
hundred
and
eighty
thousand
dollars
motion.
L
M
N
O
L
You
I
just
want
to
start
by
saying
that,
thanks
to
Deputy
marpolic
yesterday
to
our
finance
department
OMB
for
us,
our
council
president
for
scheduling
the
briefings
which
were
incredibly
helpful,
I
know
to
members.
Thank
you
and
so
how
about?
If
we
start
with
introductions,
then
I'm
sure
you
have
a
presentation
that
you
would
like
to
make
I
think
every
member
attended
the
briefings
yesterday,
if
I'm
not
mistaken.
L
So
if
we
could
kind
of
try
to
sort
of
put
our
comments
out
there
in
a
way
that
it
educates
the
public
as
to
what
it
is
that
we're
doing
here
that
we're
borrowing
67
million
dollars
to
do
this
and
and
that
I
think
could
be
really
helpful.
Okay,
all.
K
P
If
I
could
continue
on
that
thought
for
the
benefit
of
the
group
which
thank
you
for
attending
yesterday's
briefings,
but
for
the
general
public,
it's
important
to
know
that
the
city
of
Pittsburgh
issues,
debt
in
compliance
with
federal
tax
law,
state
tax
law
and
local
law,
local
law
being
the
debt
policy
that
Council
has
previously
passed
as
it
relates
to
the
structure
and
the
well-cont
the
rules
and
regulations
as
to
how
it
can
issue
debt.
But
of
course
we
also
apply
to
the
Department
of
Community
Economic
Development
to
get
their
approval.
P
So
we
have
our
very
regulated
process
for
the
issuance
of
debt.
We
just
don't
go,
get
to
go
out
and
do
whatever
we
want
as
a
city
and
that's
true
of
every
political
or
public
entity
in
the
state
of
Pennsylvania.
P
We
have
to
keep
in
mind
that
we
are
trying
to
connect
the
dots
between
the
budget
that
was
passed,
the
capital
budget
that
was
passed
in
December
of
2022
and
just
as
as
director
Gola
mentioned.
This
is
the
natural
progression
of
executing
on
that
budget
that
was
passed
in
2022
with
the
issuance
of
bonds.
The
issuance
of
bonds
is
designed
to
accommodate
the
2023
project
list,
which
is
63
million
250
000
worth
of
projects.
P
Council
was
advised
to
what
those
projects
looked
like
yesterday
and
I
think
you
have
those
and
those
have
been
scrutinized
by
Council
over
the
course
of
the
number
of
months
that
they've
been
entertained,
and
we
are
looking
to
issue
debt
and
close
on
a
debt
issuance,
which
is
the
issuance
of
20-year
bonds,
tax-exempt
General
obligation,
bonds
by
about
April
5th
that
accommodates
the
cash
flow
from
the
capital
planning.
P
M
I
would
add
on
to
this
conversation
that
the
connection
between
the
capital
budget
and
the
operating
budget
is
obviously
with
Debt
Service.
The
2023
operating
budget
that
has
been
approved
by
city
council
accommodates
and
incorporates
in
this
anticipated
debt
issuance
and
the
associated
interest
and
principal
payments
over
the
next
five
years.
With
this,
this
Bond
obligation.
O
Maybe
just
from
an
outside
perspective
as
well.
The
other
element
and
process
we'll
go
through
is
updating
the
national
credit
rating
agencies
in
terms
of
the
city's
Financial
standing
and
economic
standing
and
so
from
an
outsider's
perspective,
all
independent
agencies
that
are
rating
local
governments
across
the
country.
The
city
has
very
strong
credit
ratings
that
have
been
on
the
upswing
last
several
years.
L
So
there
are
a
number
of
questions
that
I
haven't:
I'm
sure
all
members
are
going
to
have
questions,
but
perhaps
not
in
the
order
that
I
thought
I
might
ask
them,
but
being
that
you
talked
about
the
the
city's
Bond
rating.
Could
you
talk
about
our
bond
rating
and
how
that
relates
to
our
ability
to
borrow
money
and
how
and
why
our
fiscal
responsibility
has
brought
us
that
kind
of
bond
rating
over
the
years?
Certainly.
O
So
the
city
has
three
outstanding:
Bond
ratings
or
credit
rating
same
same
terminology.
The
the
first
is
Moody's
investors
service
and
they
have
an
a
rating
that
is
very
solid
investment
grade
credit
rating.
We
also
have
a
standard
in
pores
and
a
fish
rating
they're,
even
a
level
higher.
We
call
Notch
higher
and
those
are
both
at
the
low
double
A
Range.
O
And
so,
by
virtue
of
these
discussions,
they're
really
giving
an
outside
independent
review
to
say
yes,
the
city
of
Pittsburgh
is
in
compliance
with
all
the
regulations
that
Matt
mentioned,
but
also
from
a
a
financial
wherewithal
standpoint
is
being
responsible
with
respect
to
the
taxpayer
dollars
and
not
over
leveraging
or
over
borrowing
in
any
way
the
amount
of
the
capital
program
it's
borrowed.
So.
L
I'm
just
curious
are
the
types
of
projects.
I
believe
this
is
correct,
but
I
could
be
wrong.
The
types
of
projects
that
we
wish
to
fund
with
these
dollars
they
come
into
into
relation
with
the
kinds
of
money
that
we
want
to
borrow.
If
I
remember
correctly,
we've
passed
ordinances
several
over
the
years
about
the
kinds
of
projects
we
can
fund
through
these
kinds
of
dollars
and
the
longevity
that
those
projects
must
have
right.
Can
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
how.
C
L
Only
are
we
not
only
we
sound
financially.
Not
only
are
we
fiscally
responsible,
which
is
shows
through
our
credit
rating,
that
we
can
do
this,
but
the
kinds
of
projects
that
we
wish
to
fund
with
these
dollars
are
also
into
compliance
with
legislation
and
and
the
the
way
we
must
invest
those
dollars
to
have
long
life.
K
Right,
so
what
we
consider
to
be
a
capital
project
would
be
large-scale
construction
projects
like
rehabbing
any
of
our
buildings,
building
buildings,
Bridges
Parks
roadways,
those
kinds
of
large
projects
that
actually
have
a
long,
useful
life,
not
something
that's
gonna,
you
know
be
need
to
be
replaced
in
a
year
or
two.
If.
L
K
L
Knew
we
had
done
something
along
those
lines.
Can
you
good
morning
how.
L
Matt,
can
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
totality
of
our
debt?
The
the
yesterday,
the
the
numbers,
were
very
helpful.
The
amount
of
debt
that
we
have
the
amount
of
interest
that
we'll
be
paying.
What
was
what
was
most
helpful
to
me
was
how
they
relate
in
its
totality
to
how
we
will
be
paying
this
debt
off
Through,
The,
Years
and
the
numbers
may
look
high
they're,
not
as
high
as
what
they
look
because
of
the
kinds
of
Investments
we'll
be
making
to
pay
the
debt
off.
So.
P
Can
you
by
all
means,
and
thank
you
for
the
question?
First
and
foremost,
let
me
congratulate
the
city
in
terms
of
its
management
of
debt
and
management
of
capital
projects.
You
all
are
to
be
congratulated
for
just
being
great
stewards
and
I'm,
not
pumping
Sunshine.
Here
you.
P
Having
reduced
the
annual
Debt
Service
and
managing
the
debt
issuance
over
the
course
of
the
last
decade
and
the
rating
agencies
Kyle
mentioned,
have
been
recognized.
The
the
city's
accomplishment
there.
Currently,
the
city
has
about
450
million
dollars
worth
of
outstanding
General
obligation
bonds.
P
The
good
news
is
the
city
went
that
has
been
reduced
dramatically
over
the
number
of
years
and
is
expected
to
be
reduced
Again
by
way
of
a
debt
Cliff
or
a
substantial
reduction
in
Bonds
in
the
next
four
years
that
reduces
that
that
service,
the
amount
of
debt
and
The
Debt
Service
even
further,
we'll
likely
before
the
issuance
of
this
series
of
debt,
the
city
will
pay
approximately
sixty
three
thousand
dollars
worth
of
debt
payments,
60
I'm,
sorry,
63
million
dollars
worth
of
annual
Debt
Service
principal
and
interest
this
year,
63
million
in
2027.
P
That
number
is
substantially
reduced
to
about
30
million
dollars
in
annual
Debt
Service
principle
and
interest.
So
you've
done
a
great
job
in
getting
to
these
debt
Cliffs
and
managing
through
that,
as
it
relates
to
the
overall
profile
of
the
city's
outstanding
debt.
You
know
we
do.
We
do
run
analysis
to
compare
Pittsburgh
to
other
major
league
cities.
P
If
you
will
cities
like
Baltimore
and
Cincinnati
and
Milwaukee
and
Nashville,
and
places
like
that,
to
compare
how
you
look
relative
to
other
comparably
sized
comparably,
structured
communities
and
you're
right
in
the
middle
of
that
you're
at
the
median
of
where
those
communities
lie
as
far
as
their
outstanding
debt.
So
you
really
have
are
well
positioned
as
far
as
your
debt
profile
looks
currently
and
even
improves
in
the
next
six
years.
I
use
this
as
an
example,
because
it's
it's
really
insightful
to
look
at
your
debt
profile.
P
The
city
in
its
current
capital
plan,
anticipates
issuing
about
310
million
dollars
between
now
and
2028.
You'll,
in
fact
pay
off
about
240
million
dollars
of
debt
in
between
that
same
period
of
time,
with
a
net
increase
of
just
about
10
million
dollars
a
year
in
new
debt
and
being
and
that
will
come
and
align
itself
with
the
lowest
annual
Debt
Service
payment
that
the
city's
had
in
over
in
over
a
number
of
decades.
So
it
really
is
well
managed
the
city
is
it
doing
its
bear,
share
and
councilwoman
gross?
P
You
asked
a
great
question
yesterday
about
the
overall
impact
on
residents:
City
County
pwsa.
You
know
the
city
is
well
positioned.
The
city's
done
its
job
to
manage
its
debt
profile,
the
County's
done
a
good
job
in
terms
of
issuing
debt
and
is
comparable
raided
with
the
city.
Pwsa
is
certainly
stable
now
in
terms
of
its
debt
profile.
L
We
we
really
have.
We
have
been
an
incredibly
fiscally
responsible
Council
over
the
years.
We
have
managed
some
very,
very
large
crisis
from
you
know,
being
at
the
brink
of
bankruptcy
to
you
know,
to
going
under
47
doing
everything
that
we
needed
to
do
to
get
our
financial
house
in
order
having
gone
through
the
difficulties
of
pwsa
and
and
everything
that
that
brought
in
the
water
system
and
how
we
were
faced
with
trying
to
to
I.
L
Don't
want
to
use
the
word
Salvage,
but
to
you
know
to
to
to
make
that
a
functioning
organization
again
as
well,
our
pension
which
we
had
almost
lost
and
it
could
possibly
have
been
taken
over
by
the
state
but
through
our
parking
asset,
which
maybe
we
might
talk
a
little
bit
about.
Maybe
if,
if
you
think,
that's
productive,
but
you
know
our
parking
asset
and
how
it
manages
our
or
contributes
to
our
pension
and
and
stabilizing
our
pension
for
our
employees,
and
so
we
we
have
done
some.
You
know.
L
We've
made
some
incredibly
difficult
financial
decisions
over
the
years,
but
it
is
reflective
now
and
as
you're
you're
testifying
here
today.
In
our
credit
rating,
if
you
will
not
to
oversimplify
that
that
we
are,
we
are
in
a
very
good
financial
position
and-
and
we
want
to
stay
there
and
there
are
times
when
it
is
responsible
to
borrow-
and
this
is
a
Time
by
which
it
is
responsible
to
borrow.
There
is
a
good
interest
rate,
which
we
probably
should
talk
a
little
bit
about.
L
P
Perhaps
thank
you
for
the
question.
I
can
put
this
into
context.
Certainly,
interest
rates
are
in
the
news
every
day
and
important
to
everyone.
Is
we
talk
about
inflation
and
supply
chain
issues
and
cost
of
goods.
Interest
rates
have
certainly
climbed
over
the
course
of
the
last
year
from
last
year
to
this
year,
but
not
in
a
degree
courageous
way.
It's
still
on
the
course
of
history,
an
attractive
time
to
borrow
tax
for
issued
debt,
long-term
tax
exempt
debt.
P
I
went
back
just
to
look
at
the
last
five
or
six
years
to
show
for
the
benefit
of
the
we'll
call
it.
The
constituency
in
2018
the
city
issued
debt
at
a
3.68
3.68
in
2019
a
little
bit
lower
at
3.36
percent
in
2020
the
beginning
of
the
pandemic.
Okay,
we
had
two,
we
issued
debt
and
it
was
a
rough
period
of
time.
It
was
very
volatile,
but
we
are
fortunate
to
capture
a
nice
window
in
the
marketplace
and
received
a
borrowing
cost
of
2.78
interest
rates
continue
to
lower
over
the
course
of
2021.
P
Of
course,
these
are
artificially
low
rates
based
upon
a
pandemic
worldwide
pandemic.
In
2021,
we
hit
a
low
water
mark
of
2.54
rates,
started
to
recover
higher
in
2022,
and
we
issued
20-year
debt
at
a
3.24
percent,
which
is
most
important,
is
what's
going
to
happen
this
year
in
2023.
We're
expecting
the
rate
to
be
below
four
percent,
maybe
in
a
range
of
3.75
to
3.95,
not
all
together.
P
Out
of
the
we'll
call
based
upon
what's
happened
in
terms
of
interest
rate
increases
in
the
course
of
the
market,
but
it's
certainly
higher
than
it
has
been
the
last
five
years.
On
the
other
hand,
if
you
went
back
in
time
to
see
a
look
at
some
of
the
Cities
prior
to
that
issuance,
it
could
have
it.
L
O
L
Yeah,
more
than
I
think
I
just
wanted
to
get
the
point
across
to,
as
you
said,
constituency
that
we
are
being
fiscally
responsible
here.
This
is
a
good
time
to
borrow
money.
These
are
good
projects
to
borrow
money
for
we're
getting
a
good
rate,
and
we
have
a
clear
plan
in
place
to
to
pay
back
the
debt
responsibly.
L
M
I
would
all
the
only
thing
I
would
add
is
have
to
give
the
shout
out
to
the
capital
team
assistant
director.
Dave
Hutchinson
is
back
there
and
the
budget
analyst
Brendan
and
Eric.
Have
they
every
year
really
work
very
closely
with
what
director
ghoul
is
to
get
everything
ready
for
the
rating
agency
meetings
of
the
prospectus
and
in
this
process.
L
D
I
mean
I,
so
I
was
just
sort
of
earlier
on.
This
is
maybe
in
general,
but
when
we
have
these
hearings,
these
you
know
that
are
for
the
public,
maybe
just
just
sort
of
the
horses
out
of
the
gate
already,
but
I
was
gonna.
Maybe
ask
director
Gula
just
to
kind
of
explain
for
the
public
like
very
basic
terms.
K
Well,
let's
just
say
in
layman's
terms:
it's
almost
like
taking
out
a
mortgage
or
a
home
equity
loan.
So
we
are
investing
money,
we're
borrowing
money
to
invest
back
into
projects
that
better
our
economy,
our
finances,
our
own
real
estate
and
buildings,
and
that
actually
make
them
accessible
and
usable
to
the
general
public.
So
these
payments
of
Debt
Service
payments
are
just
like
paying
your
mortgage
payment.
You
know
we
pay
a
principal
and
interest.
We
take
this
money,
we
we
fix
things
up
so
they're
usable
and
that's
basically,
the
gist
of
it.
K
P
You
mind
if
I
add
just
one
more
comment
for
the
benefit
of
the
constituency,
so,
rather
than
getting
a
loan
or
going
to
a
loan,
a
bank
for
a
loan.
The
city
has
the
wherewithal
to
issue
municipal
bonds
and
the
issuance
of
bonds
is
selling
tax
exempt
bonds
to
third-party
investors,
and
that
provides
the
city
with
the
lowest
cost
of
carry
or
the
lowest
interest
rate,
as
opposed
to
going
to
a
bank
loan.
Necessarily
because
there
is
a
lot
of.
There
are
a
lot
of
mutual
bond
funds.
P
Money
funds
that
bond
funds
that
buy
these
types
of
tax
exempt
bonds
and
residents
can
buy
these
tax
exempt
bonds
if
they
chose
to
and
they're
sold
in
maturities.
One
through
this
is
a
20-year
bond
issue,
they're
sold
with
annual
principal
retirement,
so
you
can
buy
a
municipal
Bond
anywhere
from
one
to
twenty
years,
and
residents
have
the
wherewithal
to
buy
these
through
their
broker
dealer
and
that
will
be
coming
up
in
the
middle
of
March.
If
I
can
make
a
sales
pitch,
okay,
that
that
will
be
available
to
the
residents
of
the
city.
O
Maybe
2
two
other
points
just
to
to
add
to
what
Matt
just
said:
the
bonds
are
fixed
rates
so,
as
you
think
about
maybe
personal
finance,
all
this
is
a
fixed
rate
like
a
mortgage,
meaning
it's
paid
an
annual
installment,
it's
not
a
variable
rate.
It
doesn't
sort
of
grow
over
time.
It's
very
set
that
way
and
the
other
piece
in
terms
of
director,
Google
and
thinking
about
the
capital
program.
O
The
city
makes
investments
in
its
capital
infrastructure
with
other
monies
too,
and
so
only
about
40
percent,
plus
or
minus
of
the
capital
program
is
borrowed.
The
rest
of
it
comes
from
other
sources
that
are
not
borrowed,
so
there's
a
very
healthy
balance
in
terms
of
how
much
is
being
borrowed
for
longer
term
projects,
they're
going
to
be
here
for
a
very
long
time
period,
but
not
overdoing
the
borrowing
side.
The
city
has
the
cash
flow
and
the
wherewithal
to
be
able
to
pay
cash
for
things.
So
not
overdoing
the
amount
of
borrowing
that's
done.
A
Q
Thank
you,
Mr
chair.
Thank
you,
everybody
for
the
briefing
yesterday
and
for
doing
the
work
to
put
this
together
for
for
the
citizens.
I
did
ask
a
number
of
the
questions
that
you
spoke
to
today,
I
asked
yesterday
about
like
how
do
we
compare
to
other
cities?
That
was
one
of
the
really
critical
things
that
we
did.
While
we
were
on
the
pwsa
board
like
how?
How
much
can
we
borrow
responsibly
and
looking
at
other
cities
who
had
water
systems
of
the
same
size?
Q
So,
while
I
I
think
I'm
conservative
on
the
borrowing
side,
we
also
know
we
voted
on
this
Capital
plan
for
these
projects,
because
in
order
to
be
those
responsible
stewards,
this
Council
and
the
councils
before
I
was
here,
didn't
borrow
and
let
playgrounds
Fall
Apart,
let
roads
crumble
and
we
just
have
a
lot
of
serious
capital
investment
to
do
right.
So
we
don't
let
our
roof
fall
in
so
to
speak.
So
it's
really
really
important
that
we
are
both
responsible,
Financial
stewards,
but
we're
also
responsible
physical
asset
stewards.
Q
We
literally
keep
the
city
running
that
we
keep
these
things
from
falling
down
and-
and
that's
that's
the
balancing
act
that
we're
doing
here
so
I'm
I'm
supportive
for
sure
today,
but
it
is
also
important
that
we
we
have
this
packet
attached
to
the
legislative
record,
just
double
checking
Madam
clerk
that
will
make
sure
we
attach
the
packet
so
that
it's
there.
Of
course
it's
it's
already.
There
attach
the
legislation.
Q
And
I'm
not
sure
I
cut
I'll
just
leave
it
with
one
more
thing,
because
I
did
ask
this
question
and
I'm
happy
to
see
that
it's
in
the
packet,
because
in
previous
years,
I've
had
to
ask
the
question,
because
it
wasn't
included
it's
information
for
the
public
that
the
existing
amount
of
debt
that
the
city
has
in
bonds
is
579
million
dollars,
and
our
annual
revenue
this
year
is
670
million.
Is
that
right
director?
If.
Q
Q
M
R
Q
I
said
670,
but
six
six.
Eighty
six
is
our
projected
Revenue
I,
don't
know
about
you,
but
my
mortgage
is
a
heck
of
a
lot
bigger
than
my
annual
revenue.
So
here
at
least
our
debt
load
in
bond
borrowing
is
actually
lower
than
our
Revenue.
So
it's
just
another
one
kind
of
like
a
trying
to
to
wrap
your
mind
around
these
numbers
and
so
help
me
out
with
the
next
number.
Then
it
says
in
five
years
the
projected
debt,
but
then
also
payments
and
interest
is
716
million.
Q
M
Councilman,
that's
716
million
is
what
is
actually
in
the
2023
to
2026
year,
capital
budget.
N
M
So
of
that,
716
307
is
anticipated
in
new
Bond
for
the
next
year.
M
Yet
we
have
not
borrowed
it
yet.
You
know
we
have
a
council
has
approved
2023
and
then
we
have
the
additional
Five-Year
Plan
beyond
that.
You
know
so.
Each
year
of
this
plan,
23
25
27
28
this
process
will
continue
as
newest
new
issuances
come
up,
but
it's
not
until
the
actual
you
know.
Debt
is
issued
that
it
becomes
part
of
the
obligation
for
us
great.
Q
Okay,
I
think
that
that
kind
of
wraps
it
up
and
and
just
so
because
I
think
you
know
definitely
the
public
wants
to
hear
that
we're
being
responsible
with
dollars,
but
the
public
also
wants
to
hear
that
we're
being
responsible
again
with
their
neighborhood
assets
and
rebuilding
the
things
that
need
to
be
rebuilt.
So
that's
all
I
have
thank
you.
Mr
chair
thank.
J
You
well
just
to
add
on
to
that
is
a
sort
of
a
segue
I,
think
I
would
agree
and
the
bond
funds
that
we
use
the
bond
money
that
we
use
to
fix
up
our
assets
also
frees
up
money
to
then
maintain
what
we
already
have
fixed
up
and
so
that
we're
you
know,
delaying
the
cost
of
completely
rebuilding
a
playground
or
completely
redoing
a
bridge
it
it
delays
that
and
it
kicks
back
down
the
road
a
little
bit
if
we're
maintaining
our
assets
appropriately.
J
So
my
hope
is
that
we
can
continue
to
we've
learned
that
hard
lesson
in
the
past,
not
only
with
the
collapse
of
the
Fern
Hollow
bridge,
but
in
other
ways
that,
like
the
the
cost
of
maintaining,
is
Pennies
on
the
dollar
compared
to
what
we
pay
down
the
road,
if
we
don't
so
I
I
think
that
we're
you
know
we
have
learned
that
lesson
and
and
are
striking
that
balance
as
well
to
both
invest
in
the
reinvest
in
our
neighborhoods
and
take
care
of
what
we
already
have
invested
in
the
past
years.
H
Thank
you,
Mr,
chair,
I,
do
like
I,
do
appreciate
the
you
know,
the
more
simple
terms
that
were
you
know
that
everyone
went
over
here
and
in
that
light,
I
was
wondering
what
you
know.
What
more
can
we
talk
about,
because
I
think
it
is
interesting
if
the
public
does
know
a
little
bit
more
about
how
this
process
takes
place.
So
if
we're
not
borrowing
from
a
bank,
then
who's
giving
us
the
money.
P
So
if
I
can
answer
this,
if
so,
typically
it's
the
larger
bond
funds,
your
templetons,
your
fidelities,
your
vanguards,
the
cities
in
the
last
Bond
sales-
that's
done
over
the
course
of
the
last
three
years,
typically
has
anywhere
from
35
to
50,
large
buyers
of
municipal
bonds
and
they're
funds
that
hold
them
in
their
portfolio
for
the
average
individual
to
then
go
and
buy
a
portion
of
it.
So
those
are
every
bond
fund
you
hear
of,
and
every
commercial
you
hear
about
investing
in
tax
exempt.
P
They
are
likely
a
holder
of
your
bond
because
again,
there's
30
to
50.
institutional
buyers
of
these
type
of
bonds
that
hold
them
in
their
portfolio,
sometimes
for
just
five
years,
sometimes
for
a
midterm
range
of
10
to
12
and
others
may
buy
out
to
the
20-year
duration,
so
they're.
Typically,
it's
a
very
well
executed
and
diversified
portfolio
of
buyers
who
are
purchasing
your
bonds.
H
P
So
they
might
buy
a
million
dollars
worth
of
bonds
in
a
particular
maturity
and
then
they'll.
These
bonds
ultimately
have
to
be
in
a
denomination
of
five
thousand
dollars.
So
the
average
individual
can
in
fact
buy
these
at
a
reasonable
amount
and
purchase
them
and
put
them
in
their
portfolio.
But
a
bond
fund
would
typically
buy
these
in
a
larger
block
size
and
break
it
down,
put
it
in
a
portfolio
to
be
distributed
to
individual
investors.
So.
H
P
Truck
away
yeah,
so
so
so
as
The
Dominoes
fall,
we
look
to
council
to
approve
the
legislation,
we're
not
being
presumptuous,
State
Council
will
but
we'd
ask
for
council's
consideration.
We
then
proceed
with
a
prospectus
document
which
is
called
a
preliminary
official
statement
which
is
no
different
than
any
of
the
other
investment
document.
You
do
you
want
to
do
your
due
diligence
and
there's
a
very
healthy
document,
that's
prepared
that
explains
all
the
city
rules
and
the
city's
finances
and
the
city's
debt
profile
that
goes
out
to
investors.
P
P
We'll
do
that
again
this
year,
once
we
receive
the
rating
we'll
schedule
a
pricing
day
and
typically
there's
a
marketing
period
that
goes
up
that
leads
up
to
that
pricing
day,
usually
about
a
week's
period
of
time
where
we
have
a
solicit
where
we
have
engaged
the
services
without
underwriting
Syndicate
and
they'll
start
to
market.
P
The
bonds
and
then
there'll
be
a
pricing
day
and
on
that
pricing
day
they'll,
hopefully,
all
their
marketing
efforts
have
been
done
in
a
seven
day,
seven
eight
day
period
prior
to
that
pricing
and
in
the
morning
of
the
pricing,
it's
typically
a
two
hour
window
where
they
open
up
an
order
period.
The
desks
stock
talk
to
the
sales
people,
the
sales
people
talk
to
the
investors,
and
then
the
communication
flows
back
and
forth,
and
we're
getting
orders
and
in
that
two-hour
period
to
purchase
those
bonds.
We've
had
great
execution,
I
mean
in
the
past.
P
We've
had
each
of
these
maturities
well
subscribed
for
in
the
multiple
times
anywhere
from
we'll
call
it
five
to
six.
In
some
cases,
we've
had
maturities
of
them.
Eight
to
ten
times
subscribed
for
in
terms
of
there
may
be
two
million
dollars
worth
of
bonds
available,
and
we
end
up
with
six
to
eight
million
dollars
worth
of
orders.
From
these
multiple
firms.
Pittsburgh
doesn't
come
to
Market
that
often
and
Pittsburgh's
a
large
issuer
and
a
large
well-known
name
in
Pennsylvania.
So
it's
a
good
name
to
have
in
their
portfolio
that
helps
attract.
P
They
want
to
attract
the
individual
investors
to
buy
into
their
funds,
so
they
like
having
Pittsburgh
in
their
portfolio.
So
we
do
get
a
lot
of
interest
that
helps
lower
the
interest
rates,
no
different
than
selling
your
home
or
your
car.
If
there's
five
five
buyers
that
show
up
at
the
at
your
doorstep,
you
have
a
better
chance
of
getting
a
better
price
than
if
only
one
person
shows
up
the
doorstep.
P
Right
yeah,
that's
right.
We
established
the
problem,
we
talked
to
Davenport's
desk
and
we
looked
what
what
comps
have
been
out
in
the
marketplace.
We
look
at
what
other
deals
have
been
priced
in
Pennsylvania,
so
we
know
where
the
market
is
generally,
but
things
happen
in
the
course
of
a
couple
days
as
we
well
know,
and
so
we're
trying
to
establish
a
baseline
of
where
the
interest
rates
go
out.
P
We
establish
an
interest
rate
on
the
morning
of
the
sale
and
then
we
go
off
the
pricing
and
during
the
course
of
that
two
hour
period,
we're
getting
feedback
as
to
whether
or
not
the
interest
rates
are
too
aggressive
or
two
are
not
aggressive
enough
and
we're
getting
feedback
on
that
during
the
course
of
that
pricing.
Time.
H
And
and
the
the
money
that
we
put
it,
does
it
come
in
as
a
lump
sum,
or
does
it
come
in
as
like
5
million
increments.
P
So
after
the
order
period
is
done.
Okay,
we
have
signed
a
purchase
agreement
with
the
underwriting
Syndicate
that
again
commits
to
purchasing
those
bonds,
because,
after
that
there
are
a
series
of
documents
that
have
to
be
prepared
and
we
have
to
go
back
to
dced
to
make
sure
that
they're
approving
of
the
final
sale
and
final
structure,
and
so
generally
speaking,
it's
anywhere
from
three
to
it-
can
be
done
in
two
weeks.
P
But
we
give
it
enough
time
so
we're
not
in
a
fire
drill
that
we
generally
look
to
three
to
four
weeks
after
the
pricing
day
to
close
the
bond
issue.
The
interest
rate
is
locked
in
on
the
pricing
day,
though,
and
then
we
have
two
to
three
weeks,
maybe
four
weeks,
if
push
comes
to
shove,
to
finalize
all
closing
certificates,
closing
documents
get
signatures
and
we
fund
on
the
closing
date.
At
the
moment,
we're
scheduled
a
price
right.
Around
March
Middle
March,
close
on
April
5th,
on
April
5th
you'd,
receive
the
lump
sum
so.
H
Director,
when
we
see
that
lump
sum,
when
we
put
in
a
bank
account
that's
whenever
our
you
know
where
we
allocate
the
different
banks
that
fall
within
the
I
can't
remember
the
acronym
or
not
it's
not
the.
K
Act
that
there
are
depositories
yeah
the
depository
act.
So
that's
exactly
what
we
do
and
prior
to
closing,
the
investment
officer
will
actually
send
feelers
out
to
all
of
our
depositories.
S
K
Telling
them
that
we're
going
to
be
in
receipt
of
you
know
this
these
bond
funds
and
to
give
us
good
rates
for
investment.
So
and
then
what
we
do
is
take
the
money
depending
on
how
fast
we're
going
to
need
it.
We
either
keep
it
somewhere
where
we
can
access
it
very
quickly
and
redeem
it,
and
in
order
to
be
able
to
pay
bills
very
quickly
or
we
send
it
out,
for
you
know
a
little
while
a
couple
months,
anything
up
into
365
days.
Sometimes
the
interest
rates
are
a
little
bit
higher.
K
O
And
those
interest
rates
are
going
to
add
just
one
point:
Matt
mentioned
how
borrowing
rates
a
little
bit
higher
than
they've
been
the
last
couple
years,
but
the
reinvestment
rates
are
also
much
much
higher.
So
when
director
Google
is
putting
those
dollars
with
those
depositories,
they're
earning
to
your
benefit
meeting
the
city's
benefit
much
more
than
they
have
been
the
last
couple
years
right.
H
H
You
know,
there's
some
some
speculation
that
it's
going
to
be
higher
than
what
was
currently
reported
and
who,
who
does
this
calculation?
Do
we
hire
someone
to
do
that?
No.
H
K
There's
a
lot
of
factors
that
we
do
in
order
to
project
or
look
at
in
order
to
project
what
revenues
will
be.
All
of
our
revenue
streams
have
different
sources
of
data
that
we
use.
The
pandemic
has
been
a
little
bit
of
an
issue
because
things
are
sort
of
you
know
not
necessarily
as
we
expected
so.
The
last
couple
years
are
not
not
average
so,
and
it's
been
hard
to
predict,
you
know
which,
which
Revenue
sources
will
actually
increase
or
decrease.
K
K
H
O
N
Just
with
all
this
talk
about
the
shape,
the
city's
in
I
just
really
want
to
acknowledge
the
previous
administration,
their
work,
the
previous
directors
and
everyone
who
worked
together
on
those
with
city
council
all
those
years
I
just
want
to
acknowledge
them
and
say
that
I'm
also
confident
that
the
current
Administration
and
Leadership
will
do
the
same.
So
I
just
want
to
acknowledge
the
work.
Thank
you.
O
I
You
for
being
here
just
talk
to
me
about
the
the
bonds
that
we
take
out
right.
So,
if
we're
building
a
bridge
we'll
take
that
probably
over
20
years,
because
the
life
of
that
bridge
is
probably
expected
to
be
5800
years
old,
correct,
hopefully
yeah
are
we
regulated
to
say,
for
instance,
we're
gonna
rehab
one
of
our
rec
centers
okay,
and
we're
going
to
put
this
money
into
there.
And
you
know
a
lot
of
these
Investments
that
we
make
in
there
may
only
last
10
years
or
15
years
or
we
regulated
to
go.
I
P
So
if
we
can,
you
think
about
the
composition
of
the
the
list
of
projects
that
are
being
borrowed
for
and
I
don't
want
to
get
over.
My
skis
with
the
legal
aspects
of
this,
but
they
look
at
it
as
a
blended,
a
blended
rate
of
useful
life.
So
if
you
may
borrow
20
years
for
the
aggregate
amount,
but
we
we
felt
full
well
known
that
a
street
may
not
last
15
years,
even
you
know,
or
12
years,
depending
on
weather
conditions
and
traffic
and
things
of
that
nature.
P
P
Wool
issue
bonds
with
maturities
in
one
through
twenty
years,
so
we're
retiring
principal
every
year,
much
like
a
home
mortgage.
You
retire
less
principal
in
the
early
years
than
you
do
in
the
latter
years,
but
it
is
all
structured
to
be
level
Debt
Service.
So
every
year
the
payment
will
be
virtually
equal
over
a
20-year
period
of
time.
Right
combination.
P
Can
we
shorten
you
know
the
problem
with
it?
Is
that
you
know
we
build
these
cash
flows
in
the
capital
budget
within
a
with
an
understanding
as
to
we'll
call
it
the
balance
between
debt
service
and
the
balance
between
monies
used
for
our
operations
and
so
we're
trying
to
if
you
accelerate
the
debt
payments
you're
just
working
against
yourself
as
to
available
funds
for
operations
and
Patrick
I,
don't
want
to
get
over
into
your
area.
M
R
M
That's
well
within
within
what
we
Council
has
said:
it'll
increase
a
little
bit
up
as
we
get
to
2026
the
debt
Cliff
that
has
been
mentioned
previously
and
then
drop.
You
know.
So
if
we,
if
the
city
wanted
to
make
a
larger
payment,
we
would
have
to
make
sure
that
that
is
not
impacted
by
this
and.
I
O
R
O
J
B
So
1108
ordinance
amending
title
2,
Article
5,
chapter
237
Stop,
the
Violence
fund,
section
23703
uses
and
restrictions
of
the
Stop.
The
Violence
fund
directing
the
mayor's
designee
there
under
the
Office
of
Management
and
budget
and
the
director
of
the
Department
of
Public
Safety
to
utilize
a
reporting
form
approved
by
city
council
to
ensure
proper
and
legal
use
of
said
funds
by
grantees
there,
under
in
accordance
with
ordinance
237
Stop.
The
Violence
fund
of
the
city
of
Pittsburgh
code.
N
J
A
H
Q
Q
Yes,
do
you
mind
if
I
ask
Peter
McDevitt
to
join
us,
even
though
this
isn't
his
bill?
I,
don't
know
if
there's
anyone
from
the
mayor's
off.
Oh
there
is
oh
hello.
Come
on
up,
please
if
you
don't
mind,
I'm
sorry,
I'll,
give
you
a
minute.
I
just
wanted
to
I'll
give
them
I'll
give
a
minute
to
kind
of
catch
his
breath,
and
there
are
quite
a
number
of
line
items.
I
usually
have
my
hard
pack
and
I.
Q
Don't
have
it
with
me,
but
I
see
I,
think
the
city
clerk
might
have
the
legislative
packet,
the
text
file
and
just
to
give
an
overview.
My
staff
caught
that,
while
I
think
each
one
of
these
bills
has
transfers
from
previous
years.
Thank
you,
madam
clerk.
From
previous
years,
Mayors
cdbg
PSG
or
even
when
it
used
to
be
called
ulo.
Q
They
noticed
that
there
was
a
couple
of
small
dollar
amounts
that
had
been
to
district
7
Community
groups
from
six
seven
years
ago.
That
I
didn't
know
about
that.
Hadn't
been
expended
so
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
give
some
minute
to
saying
kind
of
what
are
we
looking
at
and
what
are
we
seeing
here
because
we
didn't,
we
didn't
come
through
everything.
So
if
you
don't
mind
introducing
yourself
for
the
public
now
that
you,
you
feel
put
you
you
get,
are
you
ready,
yeah,
okay,
so.
S
Assistant
director
of
Community
Development,
no
I
was
double
booked
and
just
had
to
run
down
the
hallway.
This
kind
of
happened
a
little
bit
quicker,
but
I
feel
to
answer
your
question
and
then
actually
I'm
going
to
put
the
councilman
Wilson,
because
we
literally
got
an
email
from
one
of
his
staff
members
before
this
meeting
and
kind
of
well
in
a
roundabout
way.
Some
of
these
funds
were
also
city-wide
allocations,
so,
for
instance,
in
the
one
thing
I'm
gonna
I'm
gonna
pick
on
councilman
Wilson,
just
because
once
again
the
email
came
from
your
staff.
S
S
For
instance,
I
can
even
show
you
the
email,
councilman
Wilson
was
worried
about
the
Children's
Museum.
It
was
initially
reprogrammed
by
District
8.
and
that
was
actually
going
to
remains
fundamental
reading.
Its
fundamental
excuse
me,
the
other
question
that
Muhammad
was
asking
was
about
Pat
was
reason,
can't
talk
reallocated
by
your
office
and
going
to
the
north
side
Chronicle.
So
there
is
a
chance
that,
just
because
it
came
for
your
District,
it
wasn't
necessarily
for
your
District.
It
may
have
been
serving
a
city-wide
organization.
Q
First,
one
okay,
so
I
like
I,
said
I
didn't
have
time
to
come
through
each
and
every
one
of
the
line.
There
are
very
many
of
the
cdbg
transfers
kind
of
all
in
the
committee,
and
this
one
is
just
1101,
but
it
on
one
of
the
line,
items
and
I,
don't
remember
which
bill
not
necessarily.
Thank
you,
though,
because
there's
so
many
there's.
So
many
individual
line
item
transfers
in
each
of
the
titles.
Q
So
I'm
just
going
to
say
the
general
principle
is
that
I
know
my
staff
caught
and
they
can
text
me
if
they
want
I'll.
Look
for
my
from
my
phone
that
it
would
think
it
was
two
thousand
five
hundred
dollars
from
2016.,
so
I,
don't
know
which
build
was.
G
Q
Q
Just
you
know
things
happen,
programs
change
at
a
non-profit
or
staff
changes
or
capacity
changes,
and
so
then
we
reallocate
them
to
a
current
need
right.
So
it's
fine,
but
that
I
didn't
no,
because
I
hadn't
been
getting
from
our
budget
office
over
many
years
now,
unexpended
mayor's
office
allocations
to
a
specific
Community,
any
Community
groups.
Q
They
may
have
current
Community
needs,
and
so
that's
a
bummer
and
I.
Don't
know
if
there
are
any
others
like
that
among
other
council
districts,
because
again,
I
didn't
come
through
six
different
bills,
multiple
line
items
looking
for
each
other
members,
Community
organizations,
I,
might
not
even
know
the
name
of
a
community
organization,
your
District,
but
you
know
the
ones
in
district
7
jumped
out
to
us.
So
I
just
wanted
to
see.
If
anybody
knew
why
I'd
say
I'm
getting
that
it
was
five
thousand
dollars
which
is
substantial
for
a
for
an
unstaffed.
Q
You
know
volunteer,
run
Community
organization.
That
has
very
many
needs
and
very
many
certainly
Community
projects
that
are
again
deferred,
Capital
needs,
I
could
go
on
and
on
and
on
so.
Q
It
doesn't
say
what
I'm
getting
notes
that
it
was
five
thousand
oh
bill.
It
is
at
Bill
1101,
which
is
the
bill
in
front
of
us
I'm,
just
getting
updated.
Thank
you
to
my
staff
back
in
my
office,
putting
the
numbers
and
the
bill
numbers
together.
So
do
you
know
what
these
are
being
used
for?
Can
you
explain
to
me
I.
S
Think
the
better
answer
is,
some
of
these
funds
are
went
to
groups
who
didn't
want
to
use.
The
funds
may
have
gave.
S
One
I'm
just
giving
you
kind
of
a
variety
of
answers.
Some
of
the
groups
may
have
not
used
the
funds
or
wanted
to
give
the
funds
back.
Other
things
happen
that
we
have
a
hard
time
getting
in
contact
with
the
group
and
because
of
the
lack
of
effort
by
the
group,
it's
been
decided
that
we're
just
going
to
reprogram
from
funds
to
groups
that
can
use
them
funds,
for
instance,
with
these
2016
funds.
Well,
I'm
sure
you
know
we
have
an
eight
year
timeline
to
use
the
funds,
and
that
comes
up
to
2024.,
okay,.
Q
So
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna
read
because
thank
you,
madam
clerk,
for
getting
me
the
hard
copy,
so
the
bill
that
is
in
front
of
us
1101
has
two
thousand
five
hundred
dollars
from
the
DePaul
School
for
hearing
and
speech
as
five
thousand
from
operation
Better
Block,
two
thousand
five
hundred
from
Sheridan
Community
Council,
ten
thousand
dollars
from
Homewood
Renaissance
Association,
five
thousand
from
polish
Hills
civic
association,
two
thousand
five
hundred
for
stand
up
now
from
stand
up
now,
two
thousand
five
hundred
from
the
Greater
Pittsburgh
Community
Food
Bank,
that
was
Council.
Q
The
other
ones
were
mayor,
I,
think
actually
the
2500
was
a
city
council,
one
to
DePaul
School
for
hearing
and
speech
ten
thousand
dollars.
That
was
a
mayor's
allocation
for
Garfield,
Jubilee
Association,
fifteen
thousand
dollars.
That
was
a
mayor's
allocation
to
the
Hill
district
consensus
group
and
I
believe
I,
guess
section
two
is
what
is
being
distributed
to
so
this
looks
like
it's
actually
spending
the
92
500.
That's
a
City
Council
Greater
Pittsburgh
Community
food
bank.
So
maybe
this
is
the
source
of
funds.
R
The
first
section
is
the
budget
changes.
The
the
groups
from
the
DePaul
School
of
hearing
down
to
stand
up
now
are
the
organizations
that
were
taking
money
away
from
and
then
the
Greater
Pittsburgh
Community
Food
Bank,
our
old
Jubilee
and
Hill
district
consensus
group.
Q
Q
Those
distributions
of
those
funds-
okay,
so
thank
you.
Thank
you.
I'm
just
trying
to
read
the
text
file
on
live,
TV
and
I
didn't
see.
I
didn't
really
think
about
the
color
changes
there.
The
reds
are
the
debits
all
right
so,
and
the
black
ones
are
the
credits,
so
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
kind
of
understood
that
but
I
I
am
a
little
chagrined.
Q
That
I
didn't
know
that
there
was
five
thousand
dollars
cdbg
unexpended
from
2016,
because
it
was
not
on
any
of
this
spreadsheets
that
I
request
every
single
year.
That
I
would
have
requested
in
2017,
2018,
2019
2020
and
on
to
today
that
that
was
never
listed,
because
I
have
reallocated
all
previous
unexpended
years
of
cdbg
allocated
to
my
district
by
city
council,
because
that
was
the
only
information.
I
knew
about
some
little
a
little
bummed
and
I.
Q
Don't
know
if
other
members
are
uncomfortable,
I,
I'm,
very
supportive
of
the
92
500
to
the
Greater
Pittsburgh
Community
Food
Bank,
but
then
I
noticed
that
Garfield
Jubilee
Association
is
District.
9
is
receiving
twelve
thousand
five
hundred
dollars
of
funds
and
that
Hill
district
consensus
group
is
receiving
fifteen
thousand
dollars
of
funds
from
again
groups
that
come
over.
So
that's
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
we
all
understood
what
was
in
front
of
us
because
I
not
really
processed
it
all
myself,
so
I'll.
Let
other
members
make
comment.
L
Krauss,
thank
you.
So
I
just
want
to
reinforce
a
point
that
the
councilwoman
made
I,
we
I'm
sure
all
of
us
collectively
keep
an
eye
on
our
cdbg
allocations
over
the
years.
What
is
expended,
what
is
not
expended
what
we
can
reallocate
what
we
cannot,
but
she
brings
up
a
really
good
point.
I,
never
really
thought
about
mayor's
allocations
that
were
made
that
may
have
not
been
expended
and
need
to
be,
therefore
need
to
be
reallocated.
So
how?
How
can
what?
What
would
be
a
corrective
procedure?
L
Is
there
a
way
that
counsel
can
be
informed
on
a
on
an
annual
basis
as
to
city-wide
allocations
over
the
years
that
had
not
been
expended
so
that
when
these
come
and
I'm
going
to
be
supportive
of
the
allocation?
I
know
how
there's
not
enough
money
in
the
world
to
make
me
do
your
job,
the
the?
What
you
need
to
do
in
The
Balancing
Act,
that
you
do
to
to
make
sure
that
these
federally
issued
fund
ones
are
correctly
allocated
and
spent
and
accounted
for
and
all
those
things,
but
perhaps
there's
a
way.
R
Yeah
I'm
more
than
happy
to
work
with
the
cdbg
office
and
OMB
to
to
make
sure
that
you
get
the
holistic
picture,
not
just
the
ones
for
your
District
but
city-wide,
and
what
the
mayor's
allocation
are
just.
L
Yeah
I'm
kind
of
a
little
embarrassed
that
I've
only
really
paid
attention
to
what
I've
allocated
myself
and
haven't
really
thought
of
the
bigger
picture,
and
that's
a
really
good
point:
the
councilman
Rings
up.
So
if
we
could,
however,
you
need
to
do
that.
Yeah
I,
don't
want
to
legislate
it
in
any
way.
No.
N
Was
actually
just
going
to
ask
a
similar
question
but
I'm
a
little
bit
more
difficult,
I
think
than
you
actually
I'm.
N
Legislative,
if
they're
going
to
give
us
answers,
legislative,
but
I,
think
that
I'm
going
to
say
down
the
road
when
council
members
do
ask
for
information
for
anything.
If
we're,
if
we're
not
receiving
it,
then
we
do
need
to
do
something
that
has
some
punitive
action
to
it,
because
we
can
only
it's
a
common
courtesy
and
it's
it's
not
I
mean
they
know.
We
would
need
information
to
place
our
votes
and
to
do
things
knowing
what
we're
doing
and
a
lot
of
times.
N
P
N
The
numbers
I
would
never
want
to
do,
but
but
I'm
grateful
for
him
for
doing
the
job,
but
I'm
just
I
think
that
when
council
members
ask
for
information
not
just
of
this
department
but
of
every
Department,
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we're
receiving
the
information
we
want.
Otherwise,
we
are
going
to
look
at
more
significant
steps,
measures
to
make
sure
we're
receiving
the
information
we
need.
That's
it.
Thank.
J
You
Mr
chair,
no
I
think
this
is
a
really
valid
conversation
and
just
to
expand
upon
it
a
little
bit
whenever
our
office
is
making
our
cdbg
allocations.
J
I
think
and
I
often
wonder
what
other
council
members
are
allocating
to,
because
we
never
actually
talked
to
one
another
about
it
and
I.
Sometimes
you
know
I
have
my
whole
system.
You
know
if
they've
reached
out,
if
they've
actually
contacted
our
office,
they've
set
up
a
meeting.
They've
made
a
request.
You
know
they
come,
they
rise
to
the
top
of
the
list,
and
then
we
look
at
the
others
in
the
district
and
then
as
we're
reallocating
like,
for
instance,
I.
J
Don't
remember
the
exact
reason
why
depaul's
school
for
hearing
and
speech,
which
is
in
District,
8
and
I,
think
we
had
allocated
money
to
why
we're
now
moving
that
to
another
allocation,
whether
it
was
they
didn't,
fill
out
the
paperwork
or
they
rejected
it
or
whatever.
The
reason
was
can't
quite
remember
it
would
be.
J
Sometimes
we
look
to
to
city-wide
organizations
like
the
food
bank
or
others,
because
it's
just
the
easiest
place
to
reallocate
to
I,
don't
know
what
the
answer
is,
but
it
seems
like
Council
would
benefit
from
talking
to
one
another,
because,
as
I'm
making
my
decision
about
one
group
versus
another
that
might
be
you
know,
might
share
in
multiple
districts
or
might
serve
more
city-wide
I'd
like
to
know
what
others
are
doing
so
that
I
can
help.
J
You
know
we
can
be
as
strategic
as
possible
and
I
really
wanted
to
highlight
what
Reverend,
Burgess
and
District
9
did
with
Patrick
Cornell
a
couple
years
ago,
working
with
a
youth
participatory,
Budget
Group,
and
they
actually
used
data
and
collected
data
and
talked
to
you
know
on
the
ground,
anecdotal,
qualitative
and
quantitative
data
to
decide
where
the
greatest
need
was
in
the
district
and
allocate
funds
there
rather
than
to
one
big,
rather
than
just
all,
to
the
Poise
Foundation
I
thought
that
was
interesting.
J
Great
I'd
love
to
replicate
that
if
we
can
but
again
I,
don't
think
we
need
legislation
for
this,
but
it'd
be
probably
wise
for
us
to
figure
out
a
system,
maybe
with
the
Council
budget
office,
to
be
a
little
bit
more
in
communication
with
one
another
and
be
as
strategic
as
possible
with
the
decreasing
amount
of
funds
we
receive
from
the
federal
government.
Yes,.
R
So
I
think
these
changes
came
from
OMB
reached
out
to
our
office
back
in
October
and
and
my
excellent
deputy
director.
Ria
price
worked
with
each
of
the
council
offices
to
reprogram
the
money
from
from
these
these
entities,
so
these
I
believe
the
the
ones
on
the
list
that
say
city
council.
They
they
weren't
just
moved
unilaterally
by
the
mayor's
office.
That
was
in
right
in
concert
with
city
council.
So
we
can
give
you
the
backup
on
that,
but
going
forward.
That
is
I.
R
L
J
Then
my
last
question
is:
there
is
I,
think
it's
number
863
Bill
863.,
those
are
all
OMB
reprogrammings.
It
looks
like
how
does
that
differ
from
the
Mayors
versus
City
councils?
How
does
OMB
get
to
make
those
reallocations?
The
department
in
the
actual
full
list
says
OMB.
H
Thank
you,
Mr,
chair,
I'm,
I'm,
glad
that
the
council
person
brought
up
the
you
know,
we're
coordinating
with
each
other
and
and
then
also
we're
talking
about
and
also
councilman
cross
brought
up.
You
know
haven't
been
paying
attention
to
what
the
the
Mayors
you
know
this
mayor
previous.
H
Did
you
bring
stuff
I?
Think
a
few
people
brought
up.
You
know
you
were
embarrassed
about
not
following
it,
but
you
know
in
terms
of
don't
be
embarrassed,
you're
all
right.
H
So,
in
terms
of
you
know
what
we're
paying
attention
to
in
terms
of
you
know,
what's
what's
happening
across
the
hall,
I
mean
it's
a
good
conversation.
I
have
a
couple
of
questions
around
it.
One
is
well
actually
I'm
gonna,
make
kinds
of
the
general
statement
that
I
think
we
should
do
first
and
then
as
a
question.
So
the
process
that
we're
going
to
undertake
this
year
is
much
different
because
we're
departing
ways
and
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
what,
in
a
big
way
from
you
all
Council,
voted
to.
H
Well,
it
was
sent
over
you
know
by
the
mayor.
We
we
voted
to.
You
know
do
away
with
receiving
cdbg
funds
in
a
couple
ways.
One
was
CBG
funds
that
we
have
for
individual
offices
allocation
and
then
also
for
the
neighborhood
Economic
Development
funding.
So
this
is
all
now
an
equal
District.
Well,
it's
apparently
it's
going
to
be
an
equal
distribution
and
so
moving
forward.
If
we're
going
to
look
at
ways
to
be
Equitable,
especially
with
the
neighborhood
economic
Economic
Development
funding
funding.
That
was,
that
was
funding
that
you
know.
H
Groups
went
through
a
process
to
try
and
figure
out.
You
know
who
would
qualify
and
where
the
money
should
be
spent
across
the
city.
So
the
people
weren't
left
out
so
we're
going
to
have
to
undertake
that
process
because
we're
going
to
do
a
new
Grant,
we
have
to
design
a
new
Grant
System
since
we're
not
using
cdbg
funds
for
those
two
programs
that
we
have
had
in
the
past.
So
it's
really
just
all
focusing
on
I
mean
unless
we
change
something
during
this
year
or
in
2024.
H
We
come
back
to
the
cdbg
money
allocation
that
we
were
previously
doing.
We're
really
just
focused
on
what's
still
left,
but
I
guess.
The
follow-up
question
to
that
is.
Is
the
main
I
can't
recall
Did
the
mayor's
office?
Are
they
still
receiving
CBG
funds
to
do
cdbg
allocations?
Are
they
going
to
undertake
the
grant
process
that
we
are
going
to
undertake
so.
R
There's
still
I
believe
500
000
in
in
Ned
money
for
cdbg
in
in
2023,
and
there
is
200
000
still
in
public
service
grants
for
city
council,
but
that's
for
Food
Service
grants.
R
The
so
that's
what's
in
the
capital
budget,
but
city
council
won't
be
involved
in
those
grand
giving
processes
this
year.
That's
because
it
was
the
money
was
replaced.
Generally
Council
had
950
000
to
give
out
as
grants
and
cdbg
money.
This
year
you
have
a
million
dollars
to
give
out
out
of
the
operating
budget.
H
R
C
D
Simply
because
you
know
Council
does
change
over
time,
right,
I'm,
new
right
and
maybe
I'm
going
through
here
and
I.
Don't
you
know
there
just
happens
to
be
some
organization
in
my
district
that
I
don't
recognize,
I've,
never
heard
of
and
I
might
miss
that
one.
You
know
as
sort
of
being
able
to
Circle
back
and
say:
hey
wait.
This
is
my
district,
you
know
and
then
also
just
as
a
question
so
for
the
for
the
mayors,
the
ones
that
are
the
as
you.
D
R
No,
that
you're
doing
it
simultaneously
so
Rio
reached
out
to
the
council
offices
before
you
were
on
board
in
October
to
start
getting
an
idea
of
where
the
council
grants
should
be
reallocated
to.
But
at
the
same
time
the
mayor's
office
and
CBG
was.
A
B
Further
amending
resolution
number
647
of
2020,
effective
December,
23
2020,
as
amended
entitled
resolution
adopting
and
approving
the
2021
capital
budget
in
the
2021
Community
Development
block
grant
program
and
the
2021
through
2026
Capital
Improvement
program
by
adjusting
various
line
items
funded
by
the
Community
Development
block
grant
program
in
year.
2021
an
authorized
subsequent
agreements.
D
G
D
What
I'm
sort
of
working
through
this?
So
we
had
talked
about
because
Hazelwood
initiative
did
not
get
any
any
defunding,
which
was
a
big
shock
for
them.
They
were
very
surprised
and
it
left
a
big
hole
in
their
budget
and
then
we
had
talked
about
them
using
like
leftover,
Community
block
grant
funding
and
initially
we
thought
there
would
be
like
20K
or
you
know
something
like
that.
But
then
it
was
the
email,
oh
whoops.
No
it's
only
this
meant
so.
S
S
S
D
Q
For
the
record,
there
are
also
the
transfers
that
I
did
get
from
our
my
in
my
district
that
I
did
get
from
the
budget
office
that
were
my
like
city,
council,
previous
ulo
or
PSG
allocations
to
like
one
of
my
groups
from
2015.
That's
not
able
to
expend
the
funds
and
I've
moved
them
and
to
contrast,
the
first
bill,
and
possibly
other
ones,
had
mayor's
office
allocation
to
a
group
in
my
district.
That
I
was
not
before
today,
aware
of
and
I
wish.
I
had
been
aware
of,
and
I
think
in
the
future.
Q
N
I
just
want
to
say
one
I
agree
with
you.
Councilman
gross,
but
I
want
to
say,
I
hope
that
you'll
work
with
councilwoman
Warwick
to
find
the
additional
funds
that
she
needs,
because
there's
all
sorts
of
funding
and
they
know
how
to
do
that
so
they'll
work
with
her.
Thank
you.
A
Q
Motion
to
appropriate
discussion-
second,
thank
you.
So
I
was
trying
to
also
read
registrar
about
the
liquor
license.
Transfers
Madam
president
and
I
may
and
I
got
your
message.
Madam
clerks
I
appreciate
it,
so
this
may
be
the
way
that
we
had
previously
done
them.
I
just
did
not
remember
them.
This
way.
Q
It
I
agree,
yes,
I
kind
of
started
the
trend
here,
attaching
Community
license
agreements
to
liquor,
license
chancellors,
I
appreciate
you
doing
that
homework,
and
so
I
I'm
I'm,
really
supportive
and
I'm
really
happy
for
you
councilwoman
that
you've
been
able
to
bring
the
community
and
the
liquor
license
applicant
together
on
you
know:
community
supported
conditions.
So
thank
you.
N
I
just
really
first
wanted
there's
a
little
technical,
Amendment
Pittsburgh
doesn't
have
the
H
on
the
end
of
it.
At
the
end.
At
this
one
sentence,
difference
just
add
the
H
and
then
I
want
to
say
it's
just
technical,
a
little
air,
but
I
really
wanted
to
say
that
going
through
this
process
we've,
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
bars
in
our
district
in
Mount
Washington.
We
have
some
and
other
places,
no
I.
N
After
going
through
this,
it's
it's
like
insane,
I
mean
it
is
such
a
crazy
process,
because
you
want
to
encourage
businesses,
you
want
to
help
people,
but
it
depends
like
where
they're,
where
they
are
located
and
when
they're
in
the
middle
of
a
residential
place-
and
you
know
my
family
owned,
a
bar
I'm,
going
to
tell
the
story-
my
family
owned,
a
bar
on
Fifth
Avenue
and
back
in
the
day
my
uncle
was
working
the
bar
and
he
and
he
lost
his
liquor,
license
for
serving
a
blind
man,
and
so
if
the
laws
have
changed
over
the
years,
I'll
just
say
that,
but
they
owned
the
bar
on
Fifth
Avenue
called
known
as
Kenny's
place,
and
it's
close
too
yeah.
N
It's
going
to
be
something
really
amazing
now,
so
my
family
will
be
happy
about
that,
but
I,
but
so
I
do
understand
and
I
do
sympathize
with
people
trying
to
you
know,
run
an
establishment
like
this,
but
it
has
been
such
a
challenge
because
it
is
in
near
a
residential
area.
N
We
have
a
medic
that
lives
on
the
one
side
and
we
have
people
that
have
already
gone
through
a
lot
of
stuff.
You
know
some
responded
to
the
Tree
of
Life
shooting
and
so
they've
gone
through
a
lot
of
stuff
already
this
one,
some
piece
where
they
are
and
so
but
they're
working
with
the
village
and
I.
You
know
Dove,
Village
and
I
want
to
thank
them.
Karen
is
a
social
worker
at
the
Salvation
Army
in
ferrywood,
and
she
just
does
a
lot
of
good
for
people.
N
So
I
want
to
see
her
do
run
a
really
great
business
and
I
think
that
she's
committed
to
that.
But
I
really
have
to
thank
Allison,
acknowledge
Allison,
Harding
Herndon.
She
did
an
amazing
job,
bringing
the
community
together
working
with
everyone,
and
it
was
difficult
because
there
was
a
lot
of
tension.
You
know
for
the
for
the
whole
application
process,
and
you
know
there
was
you
know:
people
came
down,
they
bought.
N
N
Heck
is
this,
but
she.
C
N
Been
really
really
great
at
what
she
does
so
I
want
to
thank
you
for
that
and
she's
helped
other
places.
Now
in
my
district,
even
though
we
don't
have
many
bars,
she's
been
very
helpful,
I
think
a
lot
of
problems
that
we
have
I'm
glad
to
see
them
get
a
liquor
license,
because
the
state
doesn't
have
any
type
of
oversight
for
speakeasies
and
we're
seeing
a
lot
of
that
across
the
city
of
Pittsburgh.
So
I
think
I
encourage
our.
N
You
know
State
representatives
to
to
also
address
that
issue,
because
there's
a
big
gap
there
and
yeah
and
I
think
that
they'll
do
a
great
job,
but
I
just
want
to
thank
Allison
acknowledge
her.
Thank
you
for
bringing
her
to
the
table
and
thank
you.
Councilman
gross
and
councilman
cross
for
working
on
this
previously
and
Dan
friedson
and
the
clerk's
office
have
been
amazing.
As
always.
So
thank
you
as
well.
L
Thank
you.
Thank
you
thanks
Mr
chair
dad.
Would
you
call
just
for
a
minute,
please
I'm,
about
to
have
a
couple
questions
for
you,
so
I,
I,
I
I
really
want
to
acknowledge
Allison
Herndon
and
the
work
that
she
does.
I
was
privileged
to
meet
Allison
almost
20
years
ago
now,
and
it
was
even
before
I
came
into
office
and
thinking
about
running,
but
trying
to
understand
how
to
to
alcohol
licenses
in
and
of
themselves
are
not
inherently
bad
they're,
inherently
good.
L
It
is
the
operation
of
the
license
that
can
make
it
go
south
right,
not
the
like.
So
the
idea
that
you
could
have
over
concentration
of
licenses
really
a
fallacy
as
long
as
they
are
being
properly
managed
and
executed.
There
are
no
problems,
and
so
I
went
to
California
to
learn
about
this
organization
called
the
responsible,
Hospitality
Institute,
and
that
is
where
I
met
Allison
and
so
over
this
20
year.
L
L
There
is
no
one
that
is
more
understanding
or
has
a
more
comprehensive
understanding
of
alcohol
licensing
and
the
impact
it
can
have
both
positive
and
negative
on
on
community,
so
part
of
I
guess
the
sort
is
what
I'd
like
to
talk
to
you
Dan
about
really
is
how
these
agreements
well.
First
of
all-
and
this
is
early
technical
in
nature-
I'm-
not
sure
why
we're
striking
the
word
restaurant
out
of
the
amendment.
There
is
only
one
liquor
license
in
Pennsylvania
and
that's
a
restaurant
liquor
license
they're
all
the
same
I
I.
L
It
doesn't
make
a
hill
of
beans
to
be
honest
with
you,
but
I
just
was
curious
that
there
had
to
be
purposes
to
why
we
decided
to
distract
restaurant
and
I'll
leave
that
to
higher
authority,
but
there
that
a
lot
of
the
problems
that
we
have
in
the
state
in
the
Commonwealth
of
Pennsylvania
is
the
fact
that
we
only
have
one
license.
So
if
you
are
a
six-story
disco,
Tech
with
a
5
000
occupancy
or
you
are-
you
know,
Billy's
side,
you
know
bar
with
three
bar
stools.
L
L
You
know
that
desire
to
strike
that
from
here,
because
I
know
you've
worked
on
this
right
am
I
right,
okay
and
then
number
two
just
to
really
talk
a
little
bit
about
how
we
are
able
to
craft
these
Community
I
don't
want
to
call
it
a
community
benefited
group,
we'll
call
it
Community
concern
and
best
practice
remedy
I
like
that
and
how
we
go
about
being
able
to
craft
these
and
how
sometimes
we
can-
and
sometimes
we
can't
and
that's
to
talk
about
inter
and
intra
transfer
of
alcohol
licensing.
T
I,
don't
want
to
pretend
that
I'm,
an
expert
in
liquor
law
or
a
liquor
licensing
because
I'm
not
and
so
I,
don't
want
to
give
you
all
the
wrong
impression
that
I
know
because
I
don't
I
can
say
in
this
particular
instance.
In
this
particular
case,
the
word
restaurant
was
removed
because
it
was
important
to
the
applicant
and
the
applicant
insisted.
This
is
a
catering
license,
catering
license
catering
license
and
so
to
off-premise.
T
It's
an
on-premise
catering
license,
so
we
struck
a
compromise
and
we
just
got
rid
of
the
word
restaurant
and
we
figured
liquor,
license
fulfills
Our
obligation
to
put
the
public
on
notice
and
for
the
county
purposes
because,
as
you
stated,
there
might
only
be
one
type
of
license:
I,
don't
know
if
that's
true
or
not
I
just
don't
know.
I.
T
I,
don't
want
to
say
the
public
or
not
speaking
for
the
law
department
or
anything
else
like
that.
However,
you
raise
a
very
good
point
because
in
the
county
law
that
talks
about
this,
it
talks
about
a
private
club
license
versus
a
restaurant
license
and
those
Lang
that
language
is
in
this
county
law
and
so
catering
license
we're
like.
T
What's
that,
that's
neither
the
private
I
mean
that's
that
wasn't
talked
about,
so
this
was
just
kind
of
a
in
an
effort
to
make
sure
that
the
applicant
got
what
the
applicant
needed
and
the
community
understood
what
was
going
on
and
so
as
to
not
create
unnecessary
obstacles
once
it
goes
to
the
county,
because
after
it
leaves
here,
it
goes
to
the
county
right.
This
is
the
County's
liquor
license
to
administer
and
enforce,
and
the
county
law
says
it
can
stop
here.
It
should
has
to
stop
here
for
a
vote
of
council.
T
Now
in
the
past,
the
law
stated
that
the
only
reason
council
could
vote
no
was
if
this
was
going
to
be
a
public
nuisance.
The
law
has
changed
and
I'm
not
100
up
to
speed
on
what
the
the
new
laws
say.
I
have
tapped
the
law
department
and
made
them
aware
of
the
situation
and
anticipate
in
the
very
near
future
will
be
fleshing
this
out
more.
So
that's
all
I'm
really
comfortable.
L
Saying
if
we
were
to
deny
it
the
switch,
the
council
is
not
going
to
deny
this
we're
going
to
approve
this
transfer
because
of
the
work
that
the
councilwoman
has
done
and
and
you
and
so.
L
T
L
Understanding-
okay
of
that
as
well,
the
the
reason
I
bring
that
up
is
the
importance
of
crafting
these
kinds
of
agreements
with
councilman
gross's.
Extensive
experience
in
it
as
well
too,
is
is
that
by
doing
this
we
have
some
leverage
now
on
the
operation
and
the
impact
this
license
has.
If
we
did
not,
if
we
denied
this
and
it
would
go
to
Common
Pleas,
it
would
negate
I'm
assuming
any
of
this
kind
of
work.
That
would
be
done
and
there
would
be
no
none
of
these
Provisions
attached
to
the
license.
L
L
And
how
liquor
law
needs
to
be
updated,
because
the
the
council
president
makes
a
a
good
point
and
a
lot
of
what
I'm
wrestling
with
right
now
is
when
a
liquor
license.
I
recently
had
a
liquor
license
that
was
shuttered
by
the
district
attorney.
L
So
because
the
lce
washes
its
hands
of
an
establishment
that
might
be
serving
not
selling
but
serving
alcohol
and
because
they
don't
have
a
license.
There
is
no
enforcement,
so
it
falls
on
our
local
police,
who
are
already
strained
to
capacity
to
manage
these
kinds
of
things
and
I
probably
have
four
or
five
of
these
operating
already
and
under
this,
the
state
law
in
Pennsylvania,
any
retail
establishment
can
be
a
BYOB.
L
It
doesn't
matter
who
you
are,
and
you
can.
You
can
operate
till
7
A.M.
If
you
choose
to
do
so,
so
you
could
be
Sally,
Joe's
dress
shop
on
Main,
Street
USA,
and
if
you
wish
to
operate
in
BYOB
as
an
event
space,
even
though
you
don't
have
occupancy
to
to
operate
as
an
event
space,
which
is
an
entirely
different
conversation
and
there's
negative
impact,
that's
causing
disruption
to
community
lce
LCB
are
not
going
to
engage
in
any
way.
L
It's
going
to
fall
on
local
law
enforcement
to
do
it
and
they're
already
straight
to
the
breaking
point
so
I'm
going
to
get
off
my
soapbox
for
that,
but
I
think
I
will
call
for
a
post
agenda
on
alcohol
licensing
and
we'll
figure
out
what
that
that
means,
but
I'm
fully.
Supportive
of
this
congratulate
you
on
the
work
that
you
you
have
done.
L
I
want
to
thank
you
for
the
work
that
you've
done
and
I
want
to
reinforce
my
comments
around
Allison
and
the
the
work
that
she
does
and
how
important
it
is
that
you
know
she
be
her
and
do
the
work
that
she
does
do
so
when
we,
after
we
vote,
I'll
call
for
the
Post
right.
Okay,.
N
L
Q
So,
just
I'll
just
respond
by
saying
that
yes,
I
I,
do
appreciate
councilman
your
advocacy
for
the
rest,
the
nighttime
Hospitality
that
we
first
had
under
contract
for
three
years.
I,
remember
voting
on
that
when
I
first
got
to
council
and
then
bringing
it
in-house
to
you
know
as
part
of
City
operations,
but
I
also
want
to
give
credit
to
the
Lawrence
civilians.
Who
really
did
do
all
of
the
pioneering
work
on
they
host
Community
meetings
for
every
single
liquor
license
applicant.
Q
Some
of
them
don't
come
to
this
table
because
they're,
not
intermunicipal,
but
they
still
kind
of
hold
operators
feeds
to
the
fire
kind
of
set
neighborhood
expectations
and
and
really
kind
of
crafted
that
first
CLA.
That
I
said
well.
If
this
is
a
intermunicipal
liquor
license,
transfer
I
should
be
able
to
attach
it
to
our
resolution
because
it's
coming
for
City
Council
vote,
but
they
had
done
many
more
on
their
own
already
if
they
had
been
intervening
in
all
of
the
liquor
license.
Q
Applications
before
I
was
ever
elected
so
and
some
of
those
have
writers
on
them
as
well,
so
just
to
throw
that
in.
If
we
do
research
to
figure
out
what
we
need
to
talk
about
in
a
post
agenda
and
who
should
speak
to
what
topics
we
should
pull
those
they're,
not
in
our
legislative
record,
so
I
think
they
have
Community
license
agreements
of
Their
Own
as
interveners
directly
with
the
plcb
just
to
throw
one
more
wrinkle
note:
let's
just
drop
it.
L
I
bet
you
can't
how,
when
they,
when
they
discuss
licenses,
that
don't
require
Council
oversight
and
attach
the
community
benefit
agreement
to
it.
How
does
LCB
do
that?
How
do
they?
How
do.
Q
They,
let's
ask
the
LCB
attorney:
I've,
had
phone
calls
with
them
for,
but
it's
been
quite
a
few
years.
Okay,
so
at
their
board
votes
just
like
city
council
votes
and
their
board
attached.
My
attachments,
which
is
the
only
other
thing
that's
relevant
to
this
discussion
today,
is
whether
or
not
this
needs
to
be
not
only
embedded
in
the
text
but
attached,
as
exhibit
a,
which
is
how
my
memory
is
of
how
we've
done
the
other
one.
Q
So,
aside
from
that
I'm
happy
to
work
with
you,
we
should
regroup
offline
about
kind
of
what
are
all
the
different
various
facets
because,
as
our
solicitors
pointed
out,
liquor
license
have
changed.
I
also
have
some
very
many
venues
in
my
district
that
are
operating
operating
under
Brewery
licenses,
which
is
also
a
new
separate
thing
and
and
as
a
reminder
when
you've
got
one
of
these
businesses
operating
in
you
know
an
1860s
building,
surrounded
by
1860s,
tiny
or
even
1880s
tiny
dwellings.
Q
So
it's
really
important
that
we
make
sure
that
these
businesses
are
well
are
great
Community
spaces,
where
everyone
can
gather
and
feel
comfortable,
but
aren't
also
don't
contribute
to
shifting
our
residential
neighborhoods
into
like
non-residential
neighborhoods,
because
that
is
not
for
the
benefit
of
the
city,
so
just
had
to
throw
that
in
there,
because
we've
lived
through,
and
especially
the
people
of
Lawrenceville
have
lived
through
very
very
many
of
these
discussions
and
invested
a
lot
of
their
own
time
and
energy
and
creative
thinking
to
solving
the
problem.
N
Thank
you,
I
just
want
to
make
a
motion
to
amend
and
I
just
so
the
public
knows
it
is
to
add
a
conditional
use
agreement
that
Allison
and
solicitor
Friesen
had
worked
on
so
motion
to
amend.
Q
Q
N
B
B
A
Opposed
Pharmacy
recommendation
that
exhausts
our
agenda.
We
do
have
meeting
announcements
this
afternoon
with
sessions
at
1,
30
and
2
p.m.
Council
will
hold
a
briefing
with
pwsa
on
their
new
customer
Advantage
portal
on
Monday
January,
16th,
Council
will
and
the
city
clerk's
office
will
be
closed
in
observerance
of
Martin
Luther
King
Jr
day.
Also
next
week,
Council
will
hold
our
regular
and
standing
committee
meetings
on
Wednesday
January
18th
at
10,
A.M
and
1
30
p.m.
L
Oh
so,
motion
to
call
for
post
agenda
to
discuss
relevant
changes
to
Pennsylvania
liquor
law.
Second,
oh.
Q
A
Q
D
Just
wanted
to
quit
so
back
to
this
topic
from
last
week
about
the
the
legal
notices
in
the
Post-Gazette,
and
we
had
talked
with
director
Pollock
about
just
using
the
the
TV
channels
for
various
things,
and
so
it
occurred
to
me.
I
don't
know
Dan.
Would
it
be
possible
to
post
since
the
channel
is
Live
all
the
time
to
post
those
notices
on
the
channel
and
then
make
them
available
on
the
YouTube
page
as
a
video
as
an
alternative.
A
T
T
For
it
to
come
back,
but
I
would
concur
with
councilman
lavelle's
statement.
It's
we
can't
replace
publication
with
posting
on
websites
and
television,
but
we
can
supplement
that
so
the
the
state
law
as
it
is
right
now
requires
publication
of
a
publication
that
publishes
two
times
a
week.
So
it's
still
like
in
this
physical
print,
World
I,
don't
know
what
to
do.
If
your
newspaper
shuts
down
what,
if
our.
D
T
I
T
C
Q
Thank
you.
Two
things.
One
is
minor
when
we
discuss
the
bond
issuance
1100
I,
ask
that
this
packet
be
attached
in
legistar,
I,
see
that
we've
gotten
an
email
popped
up,
Distributing
it
to
members
but
I.
You
know
it
doesn't
say
that
there's
any
attachments
in
the
title
of
the
bonds
bills
of
the
clerk's
office
could
attach
this
really
actually
very
helpful
packet.
This
year,
I
find
it
more
helpful
than
we've
had
in
previous
years.
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that's
in
the
legislative
record
as
well,
and
then.
Q
Secondly,
I
just
wanted
to
share
a
little
bit
of
complaining
about
a
new
PWC
projects
in
Highland
Park.
So
I've
spoken
about
the
water
main
Replacements
that
were
also
you
know,
we're
grateful
to
have
because
we
had
leaking
water
mains
like
a
lot
of
the
city,
but
also
the
lead
line.
Replacements
happened
at
the
same
time,
but
that
it's
taken,
it's
been
a
Full
Construction
Year
and
that
you
know
the
projects
are
supposed
to
be
leveraged,
wrapped
up
and
rebuilt
and
repaved
and
everything
by
last
September
and
they're.
Really,
you
know
we.
Q
We
all
experience
it
daily
in
the
subcontractor,
not
even
giving
notices
of
closed
streets
people
having
warrant
after
warrant
after
warrant
against
pwsa
or
Felina,
some
of
them
against
the
city
because
of
damages
to
their
cars.
Just
you
know,
bottoming
out
wrecking
the
undersides
of
cars,
just
because
there's
huge
sinkholes
that
are
not
labeled.
You
know
excavators,
just
zooming
out,
left
and
right
across
streets
without
any
safety
equipment
or
signage
past
school
bus
stops
it's
so
that's
Nightmare,
and
yet
then
newly
this
weekend
and
I'm
going
to
be
sending
a
letter
to
pwsa
officially.
Q
But
I
just
wanted
to
acknowledge
that
there's
a
whole
corner
of
the
neighborhood
which
most
people
know
when
you
come
come
up
to
the
top
of
Negley
Avenue
and
then
it
hooks
of
sharp
right
over
to
melon
it's
melon
Terrace.
You
know
right
by
Reservoir
too
you
it's
very
important
work
that
was
actually
again
supposed
to
be
done
years
ago
now
and
making
sure
that
the
rising
Mains
are
replaced
to
connect
Reservoir,
the
backup
Reservoir
to
the
main
distribution
Reservoir.
Q
That's
higher
elevation
and
the
pump
house
that
exists
there
to
provide
backup
and
duplication
of
reservoirs
to
a
third
of
the
city.
That's
a
third
of
the
city's
daily
drinking
water.
So
great,
you
know
important
projects,
but
the
the
diesel
generators
that
are
out
and
projected
to
be
lasting
for
months
are
physically
shaking
people's
house
24
7.
and
there's
a
lot
of
kids
in
those
little
babies
in
those
houses
and
the
again
with
the
street
management
so
between
pwsa
subcontractors
and
Domi.
We
have
just
got
to
do
better.
Q
People
are
aggressive,
that's
a
kind
of
commuter
route.
People
coming
up
off
of
28
Butler
Street
commuting
into
the
city
school
bus
stop
times,
people
with
toddlers
trying
to
get
in
their
cars.
People
are
driving
on
the
wrong
way
on
one-way
streets
at
high
speeds,
the
lack
of
enforcement,
lack
of
signage
and
lack
of
just
like
detour
management,
so
we're
currently
drafting
the
email
so
I'll
put
that
all
in
writing,
so
thank
you.
Councilwoman
and
I'll
be
sending
it
to
the
board
and
to
the
executive
director,
because
you
know,
we've
we've
been
living.
Q
Q
You
know
it's
going
to
be
if
it's
not
hasn't
been
on
your
street,
it's
going
to
be
coming
to
your
street
eventually,
either
in
the
gas
lines,
the
pwsa
lines,
they're
all
100
years
old,
most
of
them
and
they're
beyond
their
life
span,
and
so
the
construction
will
be
coming
to
you
if
it
hasn't
so
far,
so
hopefully
we'll
have
figured
it
out
and
it
will
be
a
better
job
when
it
comes
to
your
streets,
so
I
just
had
to
get
that
off.
My
chest,
Mr
chair,
appreciate.
J
Thank
you.
No
I
just
wanted
to
correct
for
the
record
that
I
had
accredited
Petra
Cornell
with
the
District
9
cdbg,
and
he
kindly
reminded
me
very
quickly
reminded
me
that
it
was
actually
Dave
Hutchinson
who
worked
with
Reverend
Burgess,
so
I
wanted
to
give
credit
where
credit
was
due
and
to
councilman
grossa's
point
I
yeah.
You
know
whether
it's
pwsa
or
peoples
or
our
own
Domi.
We,
you
know
whether
it's
making
our
utility
management
coordinator
position
more
robust
or
some
sort
of
change.
You
know
they
do
a
great
job.
J
Brian
Ralston
does
a
great
job,
but
still
within
each
I
think
responsibility
of
the
subcontractors
every
utility,
including
ourselves.
We
can
do
much
better
with
the
spot,
checking
the
what
do
they
call
it.
Quality
assurance
quality
control,
spot
checking
of
the
contractors.
Are
you
doing
exactly
what
the
specs
showed
that
you're
supposed
to
be
doing
and
managing
the
street
in
the
way
that
they're
supposed
to
because
I
think
left
to
their
own
devices
the
utilities?
J
Do
it
well
themselves,
sometimes
as
the
contractors
and
subcontractors
that
don't
so
I
think
that's
where
we
certainly
can
improve
but
yeah
happy
to
to
work
with
you
on
the
pwsa
issues
as
much
as
possible.
D
Since
we're
talking,
pwsa
I
saw
a
pile
on
I.
Just
got
I
just
spoke
with
a
a
building
owner,
I
think
you're
familiar
with
this.
The
this
building
is
on
Murray.
It
has
the
historic
Manor
Theater
this
building
is
their
sewage
goes
into
a
pwsa
line
right,
but
the
there
was
a
private
line
behind
the
building
and
there
are
a
number
of
houses.
D
It's
unclear,
how
many
go
they
go
into
the
price
whatever
that
line
is
backed
up
and
there's
literally
raw
sewage
going
into
the
multiple
businesses
in
this
building
that
this
business
owner
you
know
and
and
she
was
very
kind
on
the
phone
with
me-
but
this
is
a
nightmare
to
say
the
least,
and
she
is
in
one
of
these.
D
N
Unfortunately,
they're
not
allowed
to
come
together
because
they're
in
arbitration,
but
they
are
agreeing
to
come
individually,
so
we'll
set
up
those
meetings.
So
we
can
talk.
Council
members
can
talk
about
it
and
talk
about
the
importance
of
how
what
we
can
do
to
help
end
that
strike
because
they
do
serve.
N
As
you
see
we're
it's
holding
up,
you
know
some
of
the
things
we
do
here
for
the
City
of
Pittsburgh,
so
we
need
to
get
them
back
to
work
and
then
I,
just
a
little
bit
want
to
talk
just
briefly
about
the
issue
with
the
police
in
the
city
of
Pittsburgh,
we're
hearing
so
many
stories.
N
I
know:
councilman
coghill
has
scheduled
a
post
agenda
about
the
state
of
policing
in
the
city
of
Pittsburgh,
but
I
think
that
we're
hearing
so
much
I'm
actually
getting
concerned
to
the
point
where
that
I'm
afraid
I'm
fearful
that
something's
going
to
happen
and
because
we
are
working
officers
over
time
we're
paying
about
twenty
thousand
dollars
a
day
in
overtime.
N
N
The
potential
for
somebody
to
do
something
or
something
to
go
bad
is
giving
somebody
with
a
gun
who's,
exhausted,
giving
somebody
who's,
exhausted
the
gun
and
I'm
just
concerned
about
where
we
are
and
what
we're
doing
and
and
I
do
know
that
the
administration's
in
conversations
and
they're
in
our
I
believe
they're
going
into
arbitration
if
they
haven't
yet
and
I
know
that
it's
a
really
difficult,
Balancing
Act
and
you
know
every
Union
wants
a
lot
and
everything.
N
But
every
Union
wants
to
get
what
they
can
from
the
city
of
Pittsburgh,
which
is
their
responsibility,
as
unions
do.
For
their
membership-
and
we
support
our
unions,
you
know
tremendously.
I
also
know
that
that's
a
difficult
I
know
balancing
act
for
the
any
Administration
and
I'm
glad
and
grateful
the
council
doesn't
have
part
of
the
negotiations
of
any
contract.
N
So
I'm
gonna
say
that
part,
but
I
also
want
to
encourage
us
to
address
this
issue
as
quickly
as
possible
for
the
safety
of
our
public
and
as
I'm
watching
you
know,
violence
escalate,
I'm,
watching
crime
escalate
it's
becoming,
and
then
the
overall
concern
of
officers
working
overtime.
It's
becoming
more
and
more
crucial
that
we
that
we
resolve
this.
You
know
quickly.
That's.
D
Could
I
so
I
was
in
the
briefing
with
the
fop
I
think
it
was
last
week
at
any
rate,
and
one
thing
that
we
talked
about
was
the
the
possibility
of
of
self-service
reporting
for
non-urgent
issues.
D
Please
use
the
it's.
It's
the
the
telephone,
Response
Unit.
It
is
an
option.
You
know
you
at
this
point.
The
public
can
can
request
an
officer
come
to
their
home,
but
really,
please
think
about
our
law
enforcement
officers.
And,
if
you
really,
if
it's
truly
necessary
for
someone
to
drive
to
your
house,
to
take
the
report
about
whatever
you
know,
whatever
the
issue
is
or
if
you
can
just
telephone
in
that
report
and
then
get
the
information
for
your
insurance
or
whatever
that
you
need.
I
Thank
you,
Mr,
chair,
I,
just
wanted
to
say
I
was.
It
was
very
disheartening
for
me
to
hear
that
the
administration
canceled
a
last
chance,
ditch
effort
to
work
something
out
with
the
police
Union
they
have
essentially
decided
to
go
into
arbitration
arbitration
is
not
going
to
be
good
for
the
police.
It's
not
going
to
be
good
for
the
administration
and
it's
not
going
to
be
good
for
the
public,
so
nobody's
really
going
to
get
what
they
want.
I
The
post
agenda,
I'm
really
looking
forward
to
you,
know
discussing
and
really
putting
out
to
the
public
exactly
where
we
are
in
these
really
startling
numbers
I
believe
we
have
lost
12
officers
from
January
1st
this
year.
We're
projecting
I'm
projecting
we're
going
to
lose
over
a
hundred
police
officers
this
year
we're
going
to
put
a
new
class
on
next
year.
They
won't
be
on
the
street
until
25
I
would
say
so.
I
You
know
we
gain
maybe
30
or
40
there,
but,
but
you
know,
something's
got
to
give
and
that's
to
what
you
said:
councilwoman
Warwick
yeah,
you
know
our
police
are
not
going
to
be
able
to
respond
to
Petty
thefts
anymore,
I'm,
not
sure
how
we're
going
to
handle
it.
But
you
know:
I
talked
to
the
administration
last
night
a
little
bit.
You
know,
Madam,
president
and
I
speak
about
these
issues.
I
All
the
time
and
I
look
forward
to
on
the
31st
I
hope
we
can
come
up
with
some
Solutions
in
order
to
keep
the
police
officers
that
we
have
I
will
tell
you
they
are
disgruntled
over
this
latest
decision
to
go
to
arbitration
and
of
the
247
that
are
eligible
to
retire.
You
know
many
are
going
to
take
that
step
now
because
of
the
latest
breakdown
in
talks.
So
so
thank
you
for
bringing
awareness
to
it,
Madam,
president
and
yeah.
We
all
need
to
be
aware
of
this.
I
We,
the
public,
needs
to
be
aware
of
this
when
at
a
time
when
crime
is
on
a
rise
and
our
Police
Department
is
shrinking,
we've
got
serious
problems.
So,
let's,
hopefully
we
can
work
with
the
administration
and
figure
something
out.
That's
it.
Thank
you.
N
I
just
want
to
add
to
that
councilwoman
strasberger
has
been
encouraging
us
to
do
more
of
listening
to
the
public
and
going
to
events
and
hosting
meetings.
So
council
is
going
to
schedule
some
listening
tours
and
we'll
go
into
every
district
and
we'll
start
listening
to
everyone
in
every
neighborhood
and
a
lot
of
people
and
we'll
televise.
Those
a
lot
of
people
want
to
talk
about
things
in
every
neighborhood
and
speak
for
every
neighborhood
and
say
so.
N
This
way,
we'll
hear
directly
from
the
people
and
so
councilwoman
strasburger
I
know
you've
been
encouraged,
encouraging
this
for
a
couple
years,
so
we'll
be
we'll
be
working
on
that
and
scheduling
that.
Thank
you.
I
I
just
wanted
to
add
I'm
going
to
a
funeral
tomorrow
of
a
young
man
who
was
shot
and
killed
in
Carrick.
The
entire
neighborhood
is
saying
we
want
more
police
on
the
street.
We
want
to
make
sure
they're
walking
the
beat
and
I
don't
know
what
to
tell
them
at
this
point
other
than
I.
Don't
know
what
to
tell
you
so
terrible.
I
So
we've
got
to
come
up
with
some
answers
and
I
want
to
thank
the
council
members
who
took
the
time
to
come
to
the
briefing
from
the
fop
to
see
where
the
state
of
it.
You
know
where
we're
at
and
that's
a
good
starting
point.
At
least
you
know,
we
know
the
numbers
and
how
to
figure
them
out
we're
going
to
need
the
administration
to
to
really
take
a
really
proactive
approach
on
this
and
I'm.
Hoping
for
that.
So
thank
you.