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From YouTube: Pittsburgh City Council Post-Agenda - 9/27/23
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Discussion on Child Care Funding Programs in Pittsburgh
A
A
We
know
that
that
families
are
struggling
to
find
child
care
to
put
their
kids
in,
and
we
know
that
other
families
are
struggling
to
pay
for
it,
and
so
we
can
do
a
lot
better.
We
know
that
there
are
parts
of
the
city
that
are
dramatically
underserved
by
Child
Care
and
we
should
invest
to
create
new
child
care
seats
in
those
neighborhoods.
There's
been
a
long
history
of
now
than
the
10
years
that
I've
been
here
of
city
council
investing
in
child
care.
A
We
also
Al
moved
aside
about
$250,000
and
spent
$15,000
to
do
one
of
the
first
studies
that
I
I'm,
aware
of
of
where
are
child
care
centers
and
we
hired
pacc
at
the
time
it's
trying
together
now
to
do
that
work
and
to
kind
of
brief
Council
on
kind
of
what
was
needed.
What
were
were
assets
and
where
do
we
have
deficiencies
and
we've
continued
to
do
that
work.
A
Several
years
later,
the
council
moved
$2
million
to
invest
in
child
care
centers,
and
we,
you
know,
are,
are
eager
to
see
the
outcomes
of
that
today.
Unfortunately,
those
monies,
those
first
monies
that
250,000
and
the
2
million
didn't
move
for
quite
a
number
of
years,
but
luckily
we
kept
pushing
and
they
did
move
luckily
right
before
Co,
hit
and
I
think.
A
We
did
launch
a
class
with
our
sbdc
on
how
to
create
and
expand
a
child
care
center,
including
this
3
and
1/2
in
floppy
disc,
which
taught
you
how
to
do
a
cash
flow
analysis.
So
you
could
keep
track
of
your
revenue
and
expenditures
and
you
know
make
sure
you
were
in
the
black
and
not
the
red
and
I
spent
a
lot
of
time
on
the
phone
with
childcare
operators
as
they
called
in
for
our
micr
lending
program.
So
that's
nearly
30
years
so
without
much
delay.
A
I'll
say
that
our
invited
guests
today
are
Katherine
Murray
from
the
UR
Emily
nef
from
trying
together
Caris.
We
don't
have
Cara
at
the
table,
so
we
missing
Cara
but
Cara
sanella
has
been
critical
in
this
work
from
trying
to
together
Leslie
Crawford,
ABK,
Learning
and
Development
Center.
We're
really
happy
to
have
you
and
then
an
flit,
schlick
and
Mitra
Salita
did
I,
say
those
names:
okay,
sity,
yes
from
the
chadam
University
Center
for
Women's
entrepreneurship.
So
with
that
are
we
all?
Is
everybody
all
set
with
their
presentations?
B
You
thank
you
so
much
good
afternoon.
My
name
is
Katherine
Murray
and
I'm,
the
director
of
commercial
lending
at
the
UR,
as
well
as
the
Director
of
of
program
director
at
invest,
Pittsburgh,
our
affiliate
community
development,
financial
institution.
Let
me
just
pause
and
make
sure
I'm
getting
this
in
presentation
mode.
One
moment,
please,
let
me
see
here,
I
think
we're
just
going
to
keep
moving.
C
B
So
I'm
grateful
for
the
opportunity
to
highlight
our
efforts
to
support
child
care
businesses
in
the
city
and
nonprofits.
Two
years
ago
we
launched
the
childcare
reinvestment
in
business,
otherwise
known
as
crib
forgivable
Loan
program.
This
financing
tool
provides
up
to
$25,000
for
childcare
provider
ERS
in
the
city.
The
primary
use
of
these
funds
is
for
working
capital
and
minor
facility
improvements.
B
We
designed
this
program
to
be
flexible
financing
for
pressing
needs
facing
child
care
facilities,
including
hiring
and
retaining
staff
providing
enrollment
subsidies
for
families
facing
financial
hardship,
especially
due
to
the
pandemic
and
ever
pressing
maintenance
and
facility
improvements.
So,
since
launching
crib,
which
is
our
forgivable
Loan
program,
we
have
assisted
28
businesses
and
deployed
over
$791,000
to
childcare
providers,
the
bulk
of
which
are
women
and
minority-owned
businesses.
This
capital
is
making
a
difference.
B
B
73%
have
increased
their
enrollment
64%,
have
hired
additional
staff
and
I'm
especially
proud
to
report
that
six
of
our
crib
borrowers
have
increased
their
Pennsylvania
star
rate
rating
since
receiving
crib
funds.
This
increase
in
quality
of
care
allows
businesses
to
receive
a
higher
subsidy
rate
from
the
state,
and
since
we
have
launched
this,
we
have
also
allowed
now
businesses
to
come
back
for
a
second
award
once
they
have
their
first
award
forgiven.
12
of
those
28
businesses
have
applied
for
and
received
a
second
award,
which
is
a
total
of
40
Awards.
B
Pictured
here
on
this
slide
is
one
of
our
crib
borrowers
located
in
Garfield
called
Each
one
teach
one
run
by
Dr
Dominique
Thornhill.
She
originally
started
as
a
child
care
home
provider
in
belts
that
the
UR
supported
with
a
micro
loan
she's
now
closed
that
facility,
but
has
grown
to
two
new
facilities,
one
just
outside
the
city
in
Edgewood
and
pictured
here
as
her
new
location
on
pen
AV
in
Garfield,
which
was
supported
both
by
a
UR
minority
business
loan
and
our
crib
program.
B
In
addition
to
that,
one
of
our
other
borrowers
I
want
to
highlight
is
Davis
family
child
care
located
in
homood.
This
homebased
facility
is
led
by
Miss
tamama
Davis,
an
experienced
professional
dedicated
to
improving
quality
of
care
in
her
community
Miss
David
used
her
F
Miss
Davis
used
her
first
award
for
working
capital
and
improvements,
and
after
her
first
crib
award
was
forgiven.
She
applied
for
a
second
award
in
order
to
hire
additional
staff
and
grow
her
enrollment
I'm,
proud
to
say
that
Davis
family
child
care
is
now
a
fourstar
center.
B
When
they
originally
started
with
us,
they
were
a
two
Star
Center
so
to
complement
the
crib
forgivable
Loan
program
the
summer
of
2021.
We
started
talking
to
our
our
colleagues
at
chadam
about
developing
an
industry
specific
course
for
child
care
providers.
Much
like
you
talked
about
in
your
days
in
North
Carolina,
so
we
partner
with
Britney
Wright
an
experienced
childcare
business
owner
to
develop
this
course
curriculum
Britney
and
her
team
at
WR
childcare.
Solutions
thought
designed
a
course
that
prepares
entrepreneurs
to
launch
new
child
care.
B
Businesses
in
the
city
this
course
is
delivered
by
The
Talented
staff
at
chadam,
University
Center
for
Women's
entrepreneurship
over
the
past
two
years,
over
85
current
and
buding
business
owners
have
completed
this
course,
the
bulk
of
whom
are
minority
women.
Throughout
the
course.
We
assist
participants
in
developing
business
plans
and
inform
them
about
the
crib
program,
in
addition
to
other
lowest
financing
available
at
the
Ur
for
to
help
with
their
business.
B
Additionally,
we've
partnered
with
trying,
together
to
Pilot
a
shared
services
Alliance
in
which
child
care
providers
can
access
services
at
a
lower
rate
for
marketing
legal
and
Financial
Resources
I
want
to
touch
on
a
few
challenges
that
we
continue
to
hear
from
to
hear
about
from
our
crib
borrowers
and
I
know
that
my
my
colleagues
are
didn't
get
into
this
in
a
lot
more
detail
than
I.
One
of
the
first
things
that
we
noticed
is
there's
a
lot
of
reluctance
to
apply
for
anything
called
a
loan.
B
We
know
that
these
businesses
are
operating
on
such
slim
margins,
even
with
the
term
forgivable
loan
I
think,
has
been
a
barrier
to
getting
crib
financing
out
there,
and
we
have.
You
know
worked
with
a
lot
of
external
Partners
on
this,
to
try
to
make
sure
that
we
are
are
teaching
folks
about
what
this
means
and
making
sure
that
they
know
that
they
can
access
this
financing.
We
also
want
to
ensure
that
people
know
about
our
low
interest
interest
financing
that
can
help
outside
of
the
crib
program.
B
The
UR
has
financing
well
below
market
rate
as
low
as
3%,
which
is
really
unheard
of
right
now,
and
so
we
are
really
trying
to
work
with
new
entrepreneurs
to
stack
some
of
our
resources
when
they're
trying
to
open
their
businesses.
We
limit
crib
to
licensed
centers,
because
we
don't
want
to
give
money
out
the
door
and
then
have
a
center,
never
open.
So
if
they
need
additional
Capital
to
open
to
their
doors,
then
we
really
try
to
to
match
them
with
one
of
our
low
interest
financing
term
loans.
B
Instead,
one
of
the
other
challenges
that
I
I
know
my
colleagues
are
going
to
highlight
as
well
is
identifying
a
affordable,
brick
and
mortar
space
in
the
city
and
navigating
permitting
issues
as
well,
so
in
closing
I.
Just
really
want
to
thank
you
for
the
all
for
this
opportunity.
I
want
to
thank
council
member
gross
for
her
leadership
and
support
on
these
efforts.
You're
a
true
champion
of
the
childcare
industry,
and
you
understand
firsthand
the
challenges
faced
by
families
and
business
owners
alike.
Thank.
A
You
thank
you.
Catherine
I
am
going
to
just
hand
it
over
next
to
Emily
nef
from
from
trying
together
and
just
as
a
reminder
that
I
think
You
probably
have
covered
in
your
presentation,
but
that
was
a
two
million
award.
That
was
the
money
that
I
referred
to,
that
city
council
set
aside
in
I,
think
20,
late
2017
and
the
2018
budget.
Thank.
D
D
This
is
just
a
quick
overview
of
the
early
childhood
education
landscape,
and
so
when
we
think
about
the
landscape,
it's
a
mixed
delivery
system.
That's
really
meant
to
meet
meant
to
meet
the
needs
of
par
Working
Families,
and
this
can
occur
in
a
commercial
space
like
a
larger
Child,
Care
Center
or
in
homebased
spaces
like
a
group,
child
care,
home
or
family
child
care
home
in
the
city
of
Pittsburgh.
There.
E
D
176
licensed
programs
and
these
programs
can
serve
children
anywhere
from
6
weeks
to
about
12
years
of
age,
and
so
when
we,
when
we
talk
about
funding
and
financing
the
system,
it
is
a
complex
funding
system.
It
is
largely
private
pay
based
on
what
you
know,
parents
and
what
they
can
afford.
There
are
Public
Funding,
and
so
just
here
are
some
some
examples
of
the
options
in
Pennsylvania
available
to
programs
and
to
families.
D
So
we
have
you
know
the
public
prek
counts
program
as
well
as
state
and
federal
Head
Start
funds,
as
well
as
the
child
care,
Works
subsidy
and
we're
here
today
to
talk
about
the
childcare
quality
fund.
So
just
to
think
about
quality
for
for
a
moment
is
we
really
think
this
is
the
Pennsylvania's
quality
rating
Improvement
system
is,
is
Keystone
Stars,
we
think
of
the
you
know,
high
quality
as
star
and
star
4,
or
a
n
accredited
or
considered
high
quality.
D
These
are
really
standards
that
are
based
in
research
practices
that
improve
the
outcomes
of
young
children,
and
we
like
to
say
the
key
ingredient
is
a
well-trained
and
qualified
Workforce
and
to
think
about,
then,
in
terms
in
what
it
looks
like
in
Pennsylvania
and
with
the
high
quality.
The
percentage
of
high
quality
capacity
I
wanted
to
pull
just
a
few
stats
of
looking
at
Pennsylvania
across
the
state.
It's
46%
of
programs
have
have
capacity
that
is
considered.
High
quality
in
the
county
is
41%
in
City
of
Pittsburgh.
D
It
is
57%
of
program,
so
I
do
want
to
note
that
strength
within
the
city
that
we
still
have
a
long
way
to
go,
but
also
so
I
think.
It's
really
important
to
to
note
that
you
know
we
have.
We
do
have
a
higher
rate
in
the
you
know
than
in
the
state
and
in
the
county,
and
we
know
that
you
know
the
city
is
committed
to
really
working
towards
that
to
make
the
best
for
for
the
children
in
the
city
and
so
before.
We
we
dive
into
the
the
Child
Care
Quality
fund.
D
I
just
want
to
highlight:
what's
really
what's
happening
right
now,
with
with
with
policy
issues
I'm
sure
many
of
you
have
seen
that
the
child,
some
of
the
child
care
funding,
is
about
to
expire
in
about
a
few
days
and
there's
a
potential
government
shutdown
at
the
federal
level,
and
we
have,
we
will
still
have
discretionary
Child,
Care
development
block
gr
funds
that
will
expire
next
September
in
the
PA
budget.
This
year
we
did
receive
an
increase
of
104
million,
which
maintains
the
the
current
subsidy
reimbursement
rate
at
the
60th
percentile.
D
Unfortunately,
prek
was
level
funded
for
the
first
time
in
10
years,
and
so
I
think
what
I
want
to
highlight
is
is
coming
really
back
to
that.
The
key
ingredient
is
the
workforce
is
that
there
was
no
State
investment
in
the
childcare
Workforce
or
supports
from
the
state
to
invest
in
quality.
Low
compensation
leads
to
a
a
staffing
crisis
that
we
we've
been
hearing
about,
which
leads
to
decreased
access
for
families
and
what
that
can
look
like
on
a
program
level
that
we're
hearing
from
so
many.
D
So
many
programs
is
that
that
is
a
growing
weight
list,
yet
empty
classrooms,
and
just
to
give
you
a
quick,
stat,
I,
don't
didn't
have
anything
for
for
the
city,
but
in
alagan
County
there
are
58
8,
open
positions
in
child
care
programs
leading
to
5,851
children
on
weight
list.
I
also
want
to
point
out
that
this
is
only
about
a
six
of
the
programs
that
took
this
survey,
so
I
think
think
about
what
that
number
could
be
if,
if
all
programs
had
participated,
and
so
where
does
the
childcare
quality
fund
fit
in?
D
As
you
know,
it
has
really
provided
a
much
needed
boost
to
improve
and
help
providers
maintain
quality
efforts.
It's
not
just
it's
hard
to
move
up
and
it
can
be
often
a
barrier
at
times,
but
it's
also
very
costly,
as
I'm
sure
sure
you
Lesley
talk
about
to
maintain
a
star
three
and
star
four,
and
so
in
looking
at
the
childcare
quality
fund.
80
child
care
providers
in
the
city
of
Pittsburgh
have
received
more
than
$1.72
million
in
reward
in
Awards
to
approve
quality.
D
That
funding
has
prioritized
providers
that
serve
over
50%
of
families,
utilizing
Child,
Care
Works,
the
Child
Care
Subsidy,
and
it
has
funded
supported
funding
for
child
care
programs
across
all
star
levels
and
provider
type,
and
so
again
it
it's
it's
really
about.
Not
just
you
know
it's
supporting
providers
in
moving
up,
but
that
maintaining
that
cost
to
maintaining
high
quality
that
also
went
into
to
really
supporting
providers
to
help
maintain
quality
and
I
do
have
a
few
testimonies
that
I
wanted
to
share
before
I
pass
it
along
to
Leslie.
D
But
we
talked
with
many
of
the
providers
who
received
the
CC
qf
funds.
Britney
W
Burley
was
also
one
of
the
providers
we
spoke
with
and,
and
she
talked
about
how
important
it
was
to
have
this
funding
for
programs
like
hers,
that
they
can't
pass
on
cost
to
their
families
and
that
the
city
investing
in
something
like
a
quality
fund.
That
really
helps
them
to
maintain,
maintain
that
make
sure
that
they
can
use,
have
other
Financial
Freedom
to
invest
in
their
staff
and
retaining
their
staff,
which
is
again
really
the
crisis.
D
The
field
is
facing
and
they
didn't
have
to
choose
between
paying
a
w
Fair
wage
and
making
sure
their
staff
could
afford
to
live
and
have
Renovations
done,
and
then
they
also
did
not
have
to
pass
the
that
cost
on
to
families,
and
it
really
was
able
to
enhance
their
programming
and
make
the
much
needed
Renovations
and
then
from
a
couple
of
homebased
providers.
I
wanted
to
highlight
as
well
one
Dana
Jones
in
simply
Kids
Zone,
Early
Learning
child
care.
D
She
spoke
about
how
it
can
be
really
difficult
to
apply
for
funding,
especially
when
there's
not
is
for
smaller
programs
who
don't
have
that
administrative
support
and
that
this
process
was
not
hard
for
her
and
she
was
really
able
to
understand
what
she
was.
You
know
the
process
get
her
paperwork
in
and
was
really
grateful
to
know
that
there
was
there.
There
was
funding
to
really
support
a
safe
environment
for
her
children
and
families,
and
then
also
that
again
it's
it's
really
about
small
businesses.
Many
Child
Care
programs
are
small
businesses.
D
Tamama
Davis,
you
know
shared
that
it
really
helped
her
to
keep
operating
her
business.
She
was
in
the
process
of
moving
up
in
her
stars
and
because
of
this
funding
and
and
some
in
the
crib
funding
that
she
was
able
to
get,
she
was
able
to
reach
that
star
four.
When
many
homebased
providers
struggle
to
get
to
overcome
some
of
those
barriers-
and
so
you
know,
I
have
some
I
have
more
leave
behind
information.
A
Us
thank
you,
Emily,
I'm,
really
glad
that
you
gave
us
some
of
that
background.
Information
about
the
landscape
of
child
care
and
I
wrote
down
the
number
176
licensed
programs
in
the
city
and
that
the
city
of
Pittsburgh
has
a
higher
percentage
of
the
programs
that
are
high
quality,
yes,
higher
capacity
quity.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
very
good
information,
and
we
we'll
get
back
to
that
I
assume
in
a
few
minutes,
because
we
know
that,
since
the
beginning
of
the
pandemic,
childcare
is
really
struggling
and
that
Statewide
we've
it's
really
the
industry
has
really
taken
a
hit,
and
and
parents
have
fewer
and
fewer
options.
All
the
time
great.
So
next
we
get
to
hear
from
our
Child
Care
an
actual
childcare
operator,
firsthand
firsthand
M
Crawford
go
ahead
and
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
your
program.
F
F
It
used
to
be
seven
prior
to
the
pandemic,
but
the
pandemic
sort
of
changed
things
for
us,
and
so
now
we're
just
doing
it
six
days
a
week
and
part
of
that
has
to
do
with
Staffing
and
our
inability
to
hire
staff
number
one,
because
we
don't
have
the
finances
or
the
resources
to
do
it.
But
what
we
were
able
to
do
from
us
receiving
the
grant
or
the
funding
was
to
filter
monies
elsewhere.
F
So
I
was
able
to
take
some
of
the
monies
that
I
have
in
my
own
budget,
to
sort
of
increase
salaries
or
wages
for
my
staff
and
then
free
up
the
money
from
the
from
the
funding
to
actually
purchase
materials
and
items
to
enhance
our
program
so
that
we
still
remained
in
that
quality.
You
have
to
look
at
the
standards
and
there
are
a
lot
of
them
and
the
quality
speaks
to
every
level
that
they
have
there.
F
In
addition
to
that,
providing
professional
development,
which
is
a
requirement
in
order
for
us
to
maintain
a
high
quality
that
we
do
have.
So
those
things
have
been
critical
for
us
and
and
I
think
I
thank
the
city
of
Pittsburgh
and
everybody
for
allowing
us
to
have
access
to
that
money.
It
gave
me
as
as
a
director
in
an
owner
a
space
where
I
didn't
have
to
stress
as
much,
because
I
knew
that
I
had
something
that
I
could
fall
back
on
or
I
didn't
have
to
tell.
F
My
employees
know
that
we
couldn't
do
something
just
based
on
the
fact
that
we
didn't
have
the
financial
stability
in
order
for
us
to
do
it.
So
I
appreciate
all
of
you
here
and
and
and
what
you
do
and
and
how
much
work
you
provide
for
us
to
be
able
to
do
what
we
do.
My
family's
greatly
appreciated
I,
don't
know
what
they
would
do
without
us
being
there
I've
been
with
my
families,
have
been
with
me
a
lot
of
them
since
I
open.
F
That's
like
seven
years
going
into
eight
years,
I've
raised
their
children
from
babies
and
transitioned
them
to
school
facilities,
and
then
I
have
them
back
in
the
evenings
when
their
parents
are
working.
These
12-hour
shifts
that
that
they
need
me
to
get
them
and
provide
care
for
them
until
they
get
home
in
the
evening.
So
I
thank
you
guys
and
the
money,
because
it
was
it
offered
me
the
opportunity
and
ability
to
be
able
to
do
that.
A
Us
thank
you,
I
appreciate
it.
We
have
one
last
presentation
which
will
allow
us
a
a
substantial
amount
of
time,
I
and
and
just
for
the
record
I
asked
the
speakers
to
keep
it
really
tight
so
that
we
could
have
enough
time
for
questions
and
answers.
So
you
know
get
your
questions
ready,
because
I
think
well,
there's
a
lot
more,
that
they
know
that
we
haven't
heard
from
so.
Our
final
presentation
is
chadam
university,
centers
women,
women's
entrepreneurship.
E
Thank
you.
Thank
you
good
afternoon,
everyone.
My
name
is
Anne
Flyn
schlick
I'm,
the
director
for
the
Center
for
Women's
entrepreneurship
at
chadam,
University
and
I.
Have
my
colleague
Metra
here
with
me
today,
and
we're
going
to
be
talking
today,
specifically
about
a
program
we
launched
in
2021,
which
is
called
the
business
of
child
care
and
as
congresswoman
G
mentioned
earlier,
she
had
a
binder.
We
have
a
binder
too.
E
E
Slide
so
on
the
screen,
you
will
see
the
syllabus
for
the
business
of
chare.
This
is
a
startup
program,
so
the
the
goal
of
putting
this
program
together,
as
my
colleague
Katherine
at
the
UR
mentioned,
was
really
to
support
women
who
and
Men
we've
had
men
participate
in
this
program
in
looking
at
starting
a
child
care
business
in
the
city
of
pit
Pittsburgh.
E
The
program
is
covers
for
all
child
care
providers,
both
family
group
and
Center
based,
and
it
covers
both
the
permission
and
the
licensing
and
the
whole
process
in
getting
licensed
as
a
child
care
provider,
but
also
the
business
of
childcare.
So
we
really
go
into
want
to
making
sure
these
providers
understand
that
this
is
a
business
and
that's
kind
of
our
core
compes
is
what
we
do.
Is
we
educate
people
in
terms
of
running
profitable
businesses?
E
So
we
cover
topics
in
terms
of
just
you
know:
what
is
your
goals
and
missions
for
starting
out
this
business?
Registrating
your
business
with
the
state
and
with
the
city
of
Pittsburgh,
and
also
putting
a
budget
together
for
what
proposed
business
is
going
to
be,
in
this
case
childcare?
We
also
cover
as
well.
This
is
our
fall
schedule,
so
we
are
taking
a
break
for
Halloween,
but
you
will
also
see
there.
We
cover
Staffing
and
onboarding
and
as
Miss
Crawford
mentioned
while
ago,
that
is
one
of
the
biggest
challenges.
E
All
businesses,
but
especially
in
the
childcare
industry,
is
facing
right
now,
so
we
go
through
different
areas
in
terms
of
looking
at
Staffing
and
on
boarding
and
where
we
can
recruit
employees.
We
bring
in
our
colleagues
from
TR
together
to
talk
about
their
organization
and
what
their
role
is
and
how
they
can
support
you.
When
you
go
to
launch
your
childcare
business
and
then
we
also
look
at
funding
because
every
business
needs
funding.
So
we
talk
about
the
different
funding
options,
that's
available
for
your
business.
E
So
this
program
is
an
8-week
program.
We
have
we've
launched
the
program
in
Fall
2021,
and
this
is
just
a
quick
breakdown
here.
So
the
startup
cohort
we've
had
four
cohorts
of
that
and
we've
you
can
see
kind
of
the
breakdown
15
21,
14
and
16
is
the
average
in
each
in
each
class
and
again,
a
lot
are
African
identify
as
African-American
Native,
American
or
Asian-American
participants
in
the
class,
and
then
we
ran
two
cohorts
as
well
of
the
existing
programs.
E
So
the
existing
course
we
ran
was
really
to
support
and
identify
the
needs
that
existing
providers
had
Miss
Crawford
was
in
that
program,
and
you
know
one
of
the
things
we
heard
from
participants.
There
was
a
staffing,
but
also
about
productivity
operations,
use
of
software.
We
talked
a
lot
about
that
in
terms
of
operating
and
keeping
your
reports
in
line
for
the
station
and
for
reimbursement
how
to
be
a
smarter
business
owner
right
and
those
areas.
E
So
we
had
lots
and
it
was
a
great
opportunity
as
well,
for
existing
providers
all
throughout
the
city
to
meet
come
together.
Some
were
families,
some
were
Center
Bears
to
to
share
shared
practices
as
well
and
see
how
they
could
resource
so
great
program.
Thank
you.
Next
slide.
One
of
the
other
areas
we
offer,
in
addition
to
the
business
of
childcare
training,
is
our
Center,
provides
entrepreneur
with
free
business,
counseling
and
technical
assistance.
E
One
area
that
has
has
been
used
a
lot
I
will
say,
is
the
legal
support
that
we
can
offer
just
being
able
to
sit
with
an
attorney
for
an
hour
to
go
through
legal
aspects,
I'm
looking
to
lease
a
building,
maybe
in
the
Hill
district
or
on
E
Liberty.
You
know
I'm
I.
Most
of
these
people
have
never
signed
a
lease
agreement
before
so
help
me
understand
what
this
lease
agreement
means.
So
these
are
areas
that
we,
our
counselors,
can
help
the
business
owners
with
next
slide.
E
E
That's
Dr,
Wallace,
with
their
program
there
in
Homewood
to
support
their
Community
she's
going
through
the
licensing
process
right
now,
she'll
be
open
soon
at
giving
heart
is
a
child
care
facility
that
was
running
summer
programs
who
very
very
differently
actually
in
order
to
find
a
space,
purchased
an
old
school
up
on
Arlington
old
Arlington
school
and
is
now
renovating
it
to
open
as
a
child
care
facility,
so
again
being
a
bit
creative
in
finding
a
space.
We
have
another
at
duglas
Academy,
which
is
in
Homestead
with
they.
E
Looking
here,
London
Bridges,
which
is
a
Child
Care
Center
in
East
Liberty,
has
has
very
long
waiting
list
and
is
doing
very
well
but
would
like
to
expand.
And
then
we
have
some
as
well.
You
can
see
in
Brookline
pen,
Avenue
I
believe
Katherine
from
Ur
mentioned
about
Each.
One
teach
one
participated
in
our
existing
program
to
help
open
her
facility
on
Penn
Avenue
and
on
the
North
side
there,
and
then
we
have
family
providers
as
well.
So
a
lot
of
people.
You
know
a
lot
of
people
when
they're
starting
out.
E
G
E
E
I'll
share
with
you
but,
like
I,
said,
there's
a
lot
of
progress
being
made
in
supporting
high
quality
programs
in
the
city
Emily
from
trying
to
trying
to
get
her
mentioned
that
in
the
percentage
and
our
goal
is
really
to
support
the
providers
with
business
education.
So
they
can
operate
businesses
and
both
for
their
families,
but
also
for
their
staff
as
well.
Next.
E
Slide
so
here's
some
of
the
comments
that
we
heard
back
both
from
new
and
existing
providers,
reiterating
what
you
heard
before
is
finding
staff.
This
is
something
that
this
industry
is
really
really
finding.
Difficulties
is
finding
staff
and,
if
you're
a
center
based,
you
have
to
have
a
director
right.
So
that
mean
it
requires
individuals
that
have
a
certain
educational
background
and
also
then
you,
you
know
in
terms
of
higher
salary
base.
E
So
that
is
if,
if
we're
looking
at
one
of
the
top
challenges
is
finding
staff,
the
second
area
is
access
to
funding
to
afford
rent.
You
probably
all
know
this,
but
rent
price
rent
has
gone
up
dramatically
right
so
and
again,
this
is
an
industry
that
is
struggling
to
find
affordable,
rent
to
pay
for
renovations.
A
lot
of
providers
have
found
spaces,
but
again
the
cost
of
supplies,
and
if
any
Of
You'
have
done
Renovations,
the
cost
of
Renovations
has
dramatically
increased,
mostly
30
to
40%.
E
So
that's
another
area
some
of
them
got
quotes
last
year,
12
months
ago
now
they've
started
to
raise
some
money
and
gone
back
to
the
same
contractors,
and
their
prices
have
gone
up
30
to
40%.
Another
area
is
when
they're
starting
out
a
childcare
facility.
They
need
inventory
right
to
educate
the
children
again
Staffing
and
then
often
as
well,
because
there's
a
lot
of
regulations
in
this
are
area.
E
You
need
to
have
good
software
to
make
sure
that
you're,
keeping
all
your
reports
on
your
family
and
your
children
and
and
recording
that
cash
flow
again
margins
are
very,
very
tight
in
childcare.
You
have
to
watch
every
penny
and
I'm
sure
Leslie
will
confirm
that
she
will
about
where
you're,
putting
your
money
and
and
some
of
it
as
well,
is
and
still
provide
an
affordable
service
to
your
families.
E
H
again,
I
think
more
value
needs
to
be
placed
in
this
industry
and
the
service
they're,
providing
finding
spaces
that
meet
all
the
child
care
requirements.
This
is
an
area
we
hear
a
lot.
You
know
we
hear
from
people
there's
plenty
of
office
spaces
that
are
available
in
the
city.
Why
can't
you
open
your
childcare
there?
Well
it
they
don't
meet
the
requirements,
they
won't
meet.
The
requirements
and
one
of
the
requirements
is
outdoor
space
right.
E
So
I
was
reading
up
on
this
yesterday
and
I'm
sure
my
colleague
from
trying
to
get
her
can
cover
this
more.
But
you
know
children
from
all
ages
are
required
to
have
minim
anywhere
between
15
to
1
hour
outside
every
day
weather
permitting
right.
So
that
can
be
very
hard.
You
know
finding
a
play
area
outside,
but
also
just
being
outside
with
children
up
for
one
hour
of
a
day.
So
that's
an
area,
that's
a
challenge,
and
then,
in
terms
of
for
those
that
are
starting
out
is
the
occupancy
permit
and
Zoning.
E
E
Slide
so
just
to
cover
this
a
bit
better,
getting
an
up
up
and
feate
permit
is
required
in
order
to
get
licensed
and
it's
kind
of
a
two-part
process
both
deeming
that
the
structure
is
safe
for
the
children
to
enter
and
exit,
and
that
falls
under
the
uniform
code.
Uniform
construction
code,
but
also
the
second
part,
is
zoning.
So
this
is
in
order
to
get
licensed
to
move
forward,
to
get
access
to
the
and
all
the
other
resources.
E
This
is
a
permit
that
all
the
providers
need
next
slide
and
here's
some
feedback
that
we
got
from
individuals
and
again
these
are
in
people
who
are
looking
to
open
a
business.
Is
there
is
a
lot
of
confusion
on
the
side
of
the
approval
process
when
it
comes
to
zoning
there's
also,
zoning
has
rules,
and
then
DHS
has
a
different
set
of
rules,
and
there
is
no
Common
Ground
between
the
two.
This
is
just
feedback.
E
I
have
received
finding
spaces
that
are
accessible
for
parents
and
staff
as
well
as
affordable
to
operate
a
child
care
and
comply
with
City,
Zoning
and
ordinance
is
a
big
hurdle.
So
there's
a
lot
of
criteria,
as
you
can
see,
coming
into
place
there
so
and
again,
having
a
clear
understanding
of
the
process
and
I
have
one
last
slide
and
we're
done
so.
Some
just
suggestions
that
were
given
to
us
from
our
our
clients
was
a
checklist
of
all
the
items
needed
for
an
application.
Aacy
application.
E
You
know
when
we
work
with
DHS
and
there
is
checklists-
are
always
good
getting
people
down
to
and
also
they
know
where
they're
working
on
through
the
process,
a
flowchart
of
a
timeline
and
fees.
Again,
that's
really
important
because
sometimes
there's
a
lot
of
fees
that
comes
up
that
they
haven't
put
into
their
budget
when
they're
trying
to
open
their
operations
and
then
a
list
of
any
other
kinds
of
additional
information
or
documentation
that
might
be
needed
once
you
or
requested
once
your
application
is
provided.
A
Questions
wonderful
I,
appreciate
that
we
are
joined
by
councilman
Teresa,
kale,
Smith,
councilman,
cogill
and
councilman
Wilson.
Sometimes
we
take
the
council
people
in
the
order
that
they
came
into
Chambers.
First
come
first
serve
councilwoman
work
was
first,
but
if
you
don't
mind,
councilwoman
I'm
going
to
defer
to
council
president
who
has
worked
on
this
issue
as
long
as
I
have
it
city
council
and
also
is
ready
with
her
questions.
If
you
don't
mind,
yeah.
G
I
hope
I'll
be
first
I
to
say
my
mic's,
not
first
I
do
want
to
say
thank
you
to
councilwoman
gross
and
to
my
colleagues
on
Council
for
making
sure
that
we
allocate
funding
for
these
for
these
efforts,
and
we
did
start
this
kind
of
stuff.
When
how
long
has
it
been
2014
2014?
So
it's
slow
wheels
of
government
I
guess
but
I
want
to
say
that
part
of
what
I've
heard
here
is
a
lot
about
businesses,
brick
and
mortar
fronts,
or
places
like
that.
Is
there
any
help
for
homebased?
E
G
Because
I
think
that
there's
a
lot
of
obviously
there's
a
lot
of
need
in
help
across
the
city,
you
we
definitely
need
I,
actually
think
the
city
of
Pittsburgh
should
start
a
program
here
and
I.
Think
we,
the
UR,
should
start
an
incentive
program
to
help
businesses
put
Child
Care
programs
with
so
people
can
get
back
to
work,
so
people
can
get
downtown
or
wherever
it
is
that
they
need
to
get
a
job.
My
I
watched
my
grandkids,
sometimes
because
my
kids
have
the
same.
G
So
somebody
families
are
like
really
I
mean
it's
really
in
a
difficult
time.
I'm
sure
you
all
know
that
so
I'm
not
going
to
you
know
preach
to
the
choir,
but
I.
Just
my
concern
was
one
that
we
did
also
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
bought
up,
and
we
did
counc
gross,
actually
did
a
lot
of
work
in
this
area
with
child
outdoor
facilities
and
the
need
for
child
care
and
outdoor
play,
and
that
kind
of
stuff,
so
I'm
glad
to
hear
continuing.
G
They
have
to
worry
about
the
kids,
while
they're
trying
to
take
care
of
everybody
else's
kids
and
trying
to
do
some
of
the
great
things
that
we
do
in
the
city.
So
I
would
love
to
see
our
staff
and
our
our
colleagues
have
have
those
options,
but
I
would
really
love
to
see
some
incentive
program
through
the
UR
to
incentivize
businesses,
to
open
child
care
facilities
and
I'd
like
to
make
sure
we're
not
forgetting
the
homebased
child
care,
because
they're,
probably
the
ones
with
the
least
amount
of
resources.
So
that's
it.
Thank
you.
B
G
G
D
So,
thank
you.
Thank
you
and
I
want
to
just
add
that
you
thank
you
and
I
very
much
wholeheartedly
agree
and
as
well
with
the
crib
loans.
Just
about
half
half
the
programs
that
receive
CC
qf
funds
also
were
homebased.
So
we
do
know
that
that
can
be
a
huge
barrier.
Stars
is
very,
can
be
difficult
for
homebased
providers
so
that
that
was.
That
was
a
very
important
to
make
sure
that
you
know.
Ccq
of
funds
were
getting
out
to
homebased.
G
H
C
I'd
like
to
hear
a
little
bit
about
the
the
benefits
for
parents.
So
you
know
because
Child
Care
is
so
expensive
and
I
would
say:
I
mean
anywhere
from
probably
900
to
1,500
a
month
per
kid
right.
Just
you
know
without
any
without
any
assistance.
So
so
what
is
out
there
in
terms
of
Head
Start
and
that
that
type
of
thing.
I
B
E
I
J
G
C
D
Yeah
so
anyway,
so
just
to
think
about
the
the
Public
Funding
and
the
programs
available
to
families.
So
we
have
the
public
Pennsylvania
specific
prek
counts
program
that
families
are
that
are
eligible
for
that
are
up
to
300%
of
the
poverty
line.
So
for
a
family
of
four
that's
about
112,000
a
little
over
112,000
a
year
for
a
family
of
four.
D
That
is
a
you
know:
high
quality
that
Pro
program
that
typically
can
occur
in
a
star
three
or
four
Center
or
group
home
center
based
or
group
home.
It
could
also
is
a
many
School
District,
so
Pittsburgh
Public
is,
you
know,
does
have
pre
prek
counts,
Grant
as
well,
and
they
partner
with
a
lot
of
the
childcare
programs
in
the
city
to
make
sure
that
there
is
that
mixed
delivery
system.
I
think
the
important
thing
with
that
is
it
techn.
D
D
You
know,
flows
through
the
state
and
then
the
state
that
goes
to
you
know
the
Early
Learning
Resource
Center
that
works
with
families
to
determine,
if
they're
eligible,
that
that
then
that
then
helps
set
that
family
up
with
a
program
that
either
is
convenient
for
them
in
terms
of
work,
location,
home
location
and
then
that
subsidy
follows
the
family
to
the
program
and
usually
families
have
a
small
co-pay.
It
can
be
anything
as
Leslie.
You
might
want
to.
D
D
What
they're,
making
from
families
who
are
paying
out
of
pocket,
it
can
often
take,
can
often
be
difficult
to
with
with
your
with
a
budget
and
families
who
are
eligible
for
the
child
care
Works
program,
that's
up
to
200%
of
poverty
and
for
a
family
of
four
that's
about
$75,000
a
year.
So
those
are
those
are
really
the
public
s.
The
public
programs
that
support
families
making
like
making
sure
and
as
we're
serving
as
many
fames
as
possible
and
I.
C
Yeah
yeah
I
mean
I'm,
just
I'm
I'm
kind
of
wondering
how
many
people
are
just
sort
of
paying
cash
to
someone
in
the
neighborhood.
You
know
when
they
could
be
actually
paying
less
if
they,
if
they
were
going
to
a
a
licensed
provider
and
accessing
these
subsidies,
yeah
and
then
I,
guess
I'm
also
curious.
I
mean
this
would
maybe
just
be
for
the
UR.
But
you
know
in
terms
of
the
location,
I
mean
I
understand
how
hard
that
can
be
right
to
find
a
location.
B
That's
a
great
suggestion.
We
haven't
pursued
something
that,
like
that
in
terms
of
a
co-working
space,
but
we
continue
to
figure
out
how
we
can
be
helpful
in
this
realm
of
identifying,
affordable,
brick
and
mortar
space
for
participants.
We
talked
to
you
know
several
different
providers
over
the
course
of
a
year
to
see
you
know
what
was
really
needed
and
ultimately,
unfortunately,
the
doesn't
have
the
ability
to
basically
like
be
your
broker
in.
B
To
you
know
providing
your
loan
as
well
like
I
wish.
We
could
do
it
all,
but
unfortunately
we
can't,
but
we
did
create,
create
a
rental
read
Readiness
checklist
and
a
toolkit
that
we
have
given
to
entrepreneurs
to
say
here's
the
things
you
need,
as
you're
approaching
a
landlord
just
to
make
sure
that
they're
going
in
armed
with
all
the
knowledge
that
they
should
have
in
order
to
negotiate
a
lease,
but
I
love
that
suggestion
and
it's
certainly
something
I
think
we
should
consider
in
terms
of
it.
G
C
B
C
Yeah
or
maybe
like
potential
providers
coming
together
and
work,
you
know
sort
of
teaming
up
resources
and
whatnot,
and
then
you
know,
if
you
have
four
people
interested
in
opening
a
child
care
business,
then
maybe
they
wouldn't
need
sta.
If
all
four
of
them
work
together,
right,
I,
don't
know
just
an
idea,
absolutely
so,
at
any
rate,
I
I
don't
really
have
any
other
questions.
Besides
that
you
know,
this
is
I'm
very
familiar
with
this
myself.
I
have
four
kids
and
you
know
paid
a
lot
of
money
for
child
care.
E
K
Thank
you.
First
of
all,
thank
you,
madam
chair,
for
calling
this
post
agenda
hearing.
These
are
conversations
I
think
a
lot
of
us
have
been
having
as
one-offs
for
the
last
several
years
and
so
I'm
really
glad
we're
all
coming
together
to
discuss
this.
Just
to
council
woman,
War
Warwick's
point
I
mean
I,
think
of
the
the
Whitman
School,
which
is
now
carage
child's
Child
Care
Child
Center,
and
that
was
a
school.
K
K
And
trying
together
and
then
top
floor,
Community
Auditorium
space
I
mean
like.
Can
we
replicate
that
model
in
Greenfield?
Can
we
replicate
that
model
with
some
of
the
schools
that
are
school
buildings
that
are
no
longer
just
posing
it
as
a
question?
It
was
a
really
interesting
feat
that
was
accomplished
40
years
ago
and
could
be
today
so
before
I
zoom
in
I
wanted
to
zoom
out
a
little
bit
and
just
share
my
my
thoughts
more
broadly
on
this
issue,
and
that
is
one
that
I
was
heartened
by
sort
of
this.
K
This
sort
of
I
don't
know
this
Eureka
moment
that
a
lot
of
people
had
during
the
shutdown
portion
of
the
pandemic
of
child
care,
not
just
being
a.
It,
was
discussed
a
lot
that
child
care
wasn't
just
a
woman's
issue
or
a
family
issue.
It
is
an
economic
issue
and
we
should
treat
it
as
such
and
and
make
it
an
economic
policy
issue
Nationwide
and
not
just
something
that
families
have
to
sort
of
like
scr
around
to
figure
out
I'm
a
little
bit
worried,
I,
have
to
admit
Nationwide.
K
The
rhetoric
is
changing
and
we're
sort
of
losing
that
momentum
we
had
for
making
bold
policy
changes.
I
was
sort
of
hopeful
that
maybe
there'd
be
some
federal
policy
that
would
establish
like
Universal,
pre,
Universal
preschool
funding,
for
you
know,
but
I
guess
just
to
kind
of
take
that
vein.
Real
quickly,
I've
heard
of
more
States
going
that
direction
and
funding,
essentially
Universal
prek
or
Universal,
preschool
I'm
curious,
like
Emily
or
others.
What
would
that
mean
like
what
would
that?
K
What
what
would
that
mean
kind
of
on
the
micro
level
or
here
in
Pittsburgh?
Would
there
be
challenges?
Would
there
be
pain,
points
or
like
what
would
that
mean
for
kind
of?
How
would
that
compare
to
sort
of
the
piecing
together
of
programs
and
funding
that
we
currently
operate
with
from
the
UR
from
from
the
state
from
the
county
from
the
city.
D
I'm
I'm
happy
to
start
and
others
please
chime
in
I
mean
when
I
think
about
that
I
do
I
I.
We
do
have
to
realized
too
at
the
state
level.
This
year
we
didn't
have
funding
a
level
of
increased
funding
in
child
in
prek
for
the
first
time
in
a
decade
and
I
know
that
there
there's
about
100
101,000
children
eligible
for
prek
that
still
don't
have
access.
We
do
have
a
long
way
to
go
and
I
when
I
think
about
some
of
those
challenges.
D
D
So
thinking
about
you
know,
it's
not
just
occurring
in
a
school,
a
school
building,
it's
also
occurring
in
the
home
base
or
in
the
center
base,
where
there
could
be
those
wraparound
services
that
are
outside
of
those
school
hours.
So
I
think
that's
one
of
the
really
important
pieces
when
I
think
about
the
equity
of
of
expansion
is
really
making
sure
we're
offering
supports
that.
D
K
K
And
we
have
like
so
many.
We
have
you
right,
obviously
so
many
different,
but
to
the
extent
that
there
are
opportunities
for
the
city
to
play
a
role.
I'm
really
I'm,
just
going
to
throw
out
some
ideas
that
came
out
of
some
research.
Our
wonderful
former
intern
did
earlier
this
year
that
other
cities
were
able
to
Implement
and
just
like
get
your
thoughts
cuz
like
if
we
could
come
up
with
a
package
of
bills
from
Council
this
year
early
next
year.
K
I
think
it
would
be
fabulous
to
to
to
you
know,
replicate
the
work
that
the
women's
caucus
did
in
the
past,
but
maybe
even
expand
it
and
think.
More
broadly.
So,
like
I
hear
what
you're
saying
about
I
know
that
some
of
the
state
funding
is
whether
it's
directed
towards
child
care
workers
or
you
know,
employed
in
the
childcare
industry.
If
they're
not
in
the
brick
and
mortar
Childcare
Center,
they
are
missed.
If
they're
like
a
place.
K
That
is
an
after
school
learning
place,
but
also
considers
like
they're,
not
getting
the
benefits
as
in
the
same
way
that
I
guess
other
workers
might
be
in
the
brick
and
mortar
locations,
etc,
etc.
Okay,
so
I'll
start
with
Phoenix
Phoenix
built
a
child
child
care
center
at
their
airport,
I'm
pleased
that
our
airport
also
just
replicated
that
so
thanks
to
Christina
codas
and
their
leadership
and
County
leadership,
Richmond
distributed
500,000
to
support
private
businesses
that
that
offer
childcare
services,
but
are
ineligible
for
Grants
from
the
city.
K
So
there's
that
I
mean
I,
don't
know
I'll
I'll
skip
over
that
one
for
now,
because
it
seems
like
it's
a
slightly
different
model.
There
Boise
reduce
barriers
to
working
in
the
industry
by
allowing
temporary
licenses
for
workers
who
have
completed
state
and
local
background
checks,
but
not
yet
Federal
and
cover
the
cost
of
license
applications
and
CPR
and
first
aid
classes
for
new
workers.
Is
that
a
barrier
you're?
Seeing?
Would
that
be
like
a
pretty
easy
barrier
to
remove
on
our
end?
Or
is
that.
F
The
one
thing
about
DHS
there're,
just
some
things
that
there's
no
wiggle
room
or
bending
and
in
terms
of
those
clearances
and
different
things
like
that,
and
there
are
things
throughout.
You
know
time
that
have
have
changed
their
reasoning
for
that
some
incidents
that
have
occurred
that
changed
the
landscape.
F
In
terms
of
why
we
need
to
have
those
clearances
like
right
up
front
and
to
assure
that
we
do
have
quality
people
in
place,
and
so
there
is
monies
for
that
in
terms
of
I
know,
Emily
was
talking
about
before
this
whole
prek
and
and
I
would
love
to
have
Universal
prek,
but
I
know
for
me
that
wouldn't
benefit
half
of
my
families
and
and
here's
why
Universal
prek
would
limit
itself
to
an
a
certain
time
right
now,
kids
get
out
of
school.
It's
2:30.
J
F
Parents
are
still
at
work
at
2,
30
who's,
picking
those
kids
up.
Where
are
they
going
once
they
get
picked
up,
and
so
that
then
causes
my
my
families
to
be
put
in
positions
where
they're
not
able
to
work
the
type
of
jobs
that
they
could
work.
A
lot
of
them
work
in
the
hospitals,
a
lot
of
them
work,
12-hour
shifts
or
they
work
overnight,
or
they
work,
weekends
and
so
Universal.
F
Prek
is
only
a
means
of
satisfying
a
small
population,
not
a
not
not
a
big
enough
one
that
it
would
be
something
maybe
realistically
that
we
could
probably
pursue.
So
we
we
have
to
look
at
this
whole
mixed
delivery
system.
Where
we're
we're
able
to
accommodate
everybody
within
that.
You
know
what
I
mean
so
I
would
love
to
have
it,
but
there's
some
limitations
with
having
that
in
terms
of
some
of
the
families
that
we
definitely
would
not
be
able
to
meet.
F
Portion
of
the
child
care
or
whatever
it
is
right
and
even
them
they're
only
open
until
6,
right,
they're
open
until
six,
and
if
you
work
till
midnight
right.
What
do
you
do
right?
You
know
what
I
mean
or
if
you
work
till
3:
in
the
morning
right.
What
do
you
do
and
if
you
have
to
be
to
work
at
4
in
the
morning,
what
do
you
do
so
so
there's
there's
a
lot.
F
You
know
there's
a
lot
of
parameters
or
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
we
definitely
need
to
consider
when
we're
talking
about
this
I'm
different,
because
I
do
have
a
non-traditional
facility,
and
so
my
people
work
all
kinds
of
shift
throughout
the
day
evening.
Whatever
and
so
I
can
speak
to
to
this
whole
Child
Care
thing
from
a
different
from
a
different
place,
because
I
see
a
whole
lot
that
other
childcare
facilities
don't
see
because
they
close
traditionally
at
6:00,
I'm
still
at
work
at
6.
F
A
K
K
Now
we
we
have,
you
know
some
of
that
in
in
certain
ways,
or
we
have
a
lot
of
sort
of
out
of
school
time
providers
around
the
city
around
the
county,
but
you
know
I
do
think
it
would
be
interesting
to
sort
of
map
out
where
the
gaps
are
both
location
and
timing-
and
you
know
say
out
of
school
time
goes
in
some
cases
until
4:
like
are,
there
needs
until
8:00
p.m.
or.
Where
is
that?
And
what
are
the
needs?
K
And
you
know,
can
we
take
the
centers,
both
City
and
partners
that
are
and
operation
like
the
boys
and
girls
cup
or,
like
the
you
know,
kind
of
Family
Resource
Center
bottle
and
ensure
that
there's
child
care
there?
The
other
thing
that
I'm
that's
sort
of
related
to
this
I'm
just
going
to
ask
us
a
question,
is:
is
the
idea
of
empty
ground
floors
or
residential
buildings,
and
sometimes
they
just
stay
empty
for
years
and
years,
because
they
can't
find
like
the
Dunkin'
Donuts
is
going
to
go
in
there.
K
A
child
care
center
are
there.
You
know
I
recognize
that
sometimes
s,
the
big
tall
residential
buildings
are
not
being
built
in
the
places
where
there's
a
child
care
desert.
But
you
know
how
can
we
be
creative
about
the
space
that
we're
using
from
schools
to
buildings,
ground
floor
buildings
to
you
know
wherever
to
to
make
sure
that
there's
there's
just
there's
enough
for
everybody
to
not
be
on
these
weight
lists
anymore
and
in
the
places
where
we
need
them.
B
There's
so
many
great
ideas,
so
I
can't
tell
you
how
much
I
appreciate
that
the
research
your
intern
did
so
kudos
to
to
them.
I
really
hear
you
on
that
empty
space
on
on
the
ground
floor,
the
empty
commercial
space
where
I
think
landlords
are
waiting
for,
like
you
said
a
national
chain
or
a
bank,
you
know
ATM
Bank
to
basically
go
in
there.
B
If
I
would
like
to
you
know,
be
creative
with
you
in
terms
of
how
we
could
incentivize
landlords
to
activate
that
space,
and
you
know
the
U
can
certainly
be
a
partner
in
considering
that
and
how
we
can
talk
about
that
more
I,
don't
know
what
it
would
look
like
and
I'm
sure
we
would
need
your
help.
You
know,
but
I
I
I'll
definitely
take
a
look
into
it,
especially.
E
And
I
can
just
add
to
that
from
working
with
people
who
are
trying
to
find
spaces.
Sometimes
when
landlords
hear
that
it's
a
child
care
facility,
that's
the
end
of
the
conversation,
so
they
just
see
liability.
Some
are
holding
off
on
better
times
H.
So
that
is
a
challenge
we
have.
Ironically,
we've
had
a
few
who
have
looked
at
schools.
E
You
mentioned
schools
in
the
areas
and
one
is
working
right
now
in
Arlington
at
Old,
Pittsburgh
School,
the
zoning
there
has
been
challenging
and
from
what
I've
heard
from
other
people,
who've
looked
at
property.
Second
floors
are
really
hard
to
get
zoned.
So
that's
just
another
area
as
well,
maybe
trying
to
get
and
talk
more
about
that,
but
that
is
some
feedback.
E
K
Yeah
well,
those
are
all
the
questions.
I
have
I
want
to
leave
room
for.
For
my
colleagues.
Thank
you
so
much
for
like
entertaining
my
wacky
ideas
and
just
like
helping
to
respond
to
them.
So
I
could
get
a
full
picture
and,
and
you
know,
I'm,
not
the
only
one
who's
had
these
ideas
clearly,
but
like
I
I,
think
that
we
I'm
optimistic
about
working
creatively
with
colleagues
mayor's
office.
Ur
ETA,
all
of
you
to
make
sure
that
at
the
county
to
make
sure
that
we
can
put
some
of
these
into
action.
F
H
Thank
you,
Council
BR
I
want
to
thank
you
for
you
know
pursuing
and
keeping
on
this.
She
knows
where
to
hit
me
and
what's
what's
personal
to
me,
which
this
subject
is
I
will
tell
you
so
We've
engaged
over
the
last
couple
of
years,
I'm
glad
to
finally
see
we're
sitting
at
the
table,
so
it's
a
great
great
achievement
just
being
here
at
the
table.
So,
as
I
said,
it's
very
personal
to
me,
my
mother
was
a
single
mom.
Had
three
boys
I
was
the
youngest.
H
We
shared
a
bedroom
about
as
big
as
this
table
here
and
we
had
no
means
we
had
nothing.
We
had
no
income,
she
was
you
know
her,
my
father
kind
of
split
the
scene,
and
what
did
she
do?
She
started
babysitting
kids,
okay
and
she
was
really
really
good
at
it.
You
know
the
people
kids
loved
her,
the
parents
loved
her
and
Miss
Crawford
I,
you
run
a
facility.
Do
you
not?
Okay
yeah.
Did
you
start
out
out
of
your
home.
F
I
F
H
J
F
F
F
H
So
how
would
you-
and
it
sounds
to
me
like
what
you're,
really
your
and
I'm
sorry
I
missed
the
first
part
of
the
meeting
and
some
of
the
presentation.
But
it
sounds
to
me
what
your
real
goal
is
to
help
people
like
my
mother,
who
are
taking
on
kids,
and
you
know,
people
are
paying
them.
They
watch
them
all
day,
while
they're
at
work
to
try
to
set
up
where
they're
a
legal,
legitimate
business
is
that
the.
E
Goal?
Yes,
yes,
so
it's
spee
for
family
child
providers.
Yes,
you
know
to
make
sure
that
they
get
licensed.
So
they
get
access
to
the
resources
that
are
out
there
and
also
to
to
think
more
as
a
business
owner,
because
if
they
do
want
to
move
their
business
or
grow
from
the
home
to
a
center,
then
they're
starting
off
on
the
right
track.
They
have
things
in
place.
In
order
to
do
that,.
H
H
Not
going
to
get
a
refrigerator
from
somebody,
because
if
you,
you
know,
if
you're
not
paying
taxes
and
you're
on
a
books,
forget
about
it
right
so
so
so
is
what's
the
biggest
challenge
from
taking.
Somebody,
like
my
mother,
has
say
four
or
five
children
they're
watching
at
home,
who
knew
nothing
about
business
of
course,
or
how
to
operate
one?
What's
the
biggest
challenge
from
getting
them
from
there
to
where
they
operate
and
can
apply
for
such
services
and
be
on
the
books
like
they.
G
E
So
and
some
people
will
choose
to
do
that,
that's
what
they're
comfortable
with
you
know
and
again
you
want
to
make
sure
that
they're
licensed
to
do
that.
So
when
opportunities
come
about,
whether
it's
to
the
city
or
to
the
state
or
to
the
federal
government
and
resources,
they
can
tap
into
those
resources,
because,
if
they're,
if
they're
not
licensed-
and
they
don't
people,
don't
know
they
can't
access
those.
So
that's
a
really
important
thing.
E
The
Hurdle,
from
going
from
what
I've
seen
from
family
based
to
a
out
of
the
home
right
is,
is
a
lot
of
its
money.
Okay.
So
if
the
margins
are
pretty
tight
in
what
you're
doing
it's
going
to
take
a
long
time
to
save
that
money
in
order
to
make
a
deposit
on
a
property
right
and
then
you're
get
Into
the
Wild
Wild
West,
because
if
you've
never
purchased
a
property
before
it's
different
from
mortgage
for
your
home,
you
know
you're
dealing
with
legal
documents
that
you
haven't
seen
before.
E
You're
dealing
with
the
probability
of
you
know
a
lot
of
other
criteria.
That's
out
there
to
meet
those
needs,
so
I
mean
part.
That's
part
of
our
goal
is
to
help
them
feel
more
comfortable
in
understanding
those
legal
and
financial
situations
that
may
come
about,
but
also
taking
a
route
that
is
feas
able
for
them.
D
E
So
that
includes
their
space.
You
know
we're
looking
at
a
space
and
I'm
like
okay,
but
in
order
to
renovate
that
space
and
then
open
it
up,
it's
going
to
cost
you
x
amount
of
money,
and
given
the
code
and
regulations
you
the
maximum
you
can
have
is
46
kits.
So
if
we
do
46
kits
by
x
that
you
can
bring
in
every
week
which
is
X
every
month
that
won't
pay
your
rent.
So
then
we
go
back
to
the
board
and
we
have
to
start
all
over
again.
B
I
also
just
want
to
thank
an
and
her
team
at
chadam
for
the
technical
assistance
and
business
education
that
they
they
give
homebased
providers,
and
you
know
startup
providers
as
well.
We
get
a
lot
of
folks
that
want
to
open
a
business
at
the
UR
and
they
might
not
even
have
a
business
bank
account
yet
so,
in
order
to
be
you,
you
know
to
receive
different
grant
opportunities
to
receive
loans.
Like
you
have
to
be
a
legitimate
business,
you
have
to
register
with
the
city.
J
E
Yeah
and
again
you
know
some
bits
just
the
unknown,
you
know
so,
for
instance,
we
helped
a
lot
of
people
who
did
go
through
the
program
or
in
operation
fill
out
the
program.
That
cat
was
talking
about
the
application
first
and
they
were
like
okay.
So
what's
what's
forgivable
loan?
Is
it
a
grant
or
what
like?
E
How
do
I
get
forgiven
like
what
do
I
have
to
do
H,
so
those
kind
of
things
you
know
it's
something
just
something
new:
it's
different:
it's
a
loan
or
it's
a
grant
or
it's
a
forgiven
or
how
does
it
work?
And
you
know
I,
try
and
explain
to
people
you
have
to
use
for
funds
for
the
purpose
that
they
were
provided.
So
let's
talk
about
what
you're
going
to
do
and
then
they'll
tell
me
and
I'm
like
no,
no,
no,
no,
not
that
one
so
we'll
move
along
and
so
yeah.
E
So
it's
just
you
know
just
sitting
down
and
talking
with
people,
but
you
know
going
into
a
center
and
and
Miss
Crawford,
you
I'm
sure,
can
explain
as
well.
There's
cost
involved
responsibility
when
you're
hiring
people.
That's
a
lot
of
people
decide
to
stay
in
the
home
because
then
you
have
responsibility
of
employees.
H
G
D
Take
up
to
12
children,
they
are
licensed
12
to
15,
thank
they.
They
are
licensed
by
DHS,
just
like
a
center
and
I
think
you
know
something
that
you
know
we've
seen
is
it
can
be,
and
you
know
why
the
you
know
this
funding
is
so
helpful,
for
them
is
the
barriers
to
overcome
that
can
often
be
more
challenging
because
there's
there
could
sometimes
only
be
one
of
them
or
there's
another
one.
Other
staff
person,
depending
on
how
many
children
they're
serving
and
I,
think
the
other.
H
E
D
Yes,
so
relative
childcare
provider
in
there
are
relative
childcare
providers.
That's
typically
there's
you
know
not
caring
for
more
than
three
children
that
are
related
to
them,
so
that
could
be
a
grandmother
caring
for
three
grandchildren
and
they
could.
They
could
also
be
eligible
for
subsidy
depending
on
pieces,
so
they
could
also
make
be
making
sure
that
that
they
could
be
being
paid
for
Care
by
the
public
dollars
in
the
state.
H
E
And
you
teach
that
yes
exactly
exactly
you
know
and
the
individuals
when
they
start
the
program.
You
know
we,
we
start.
Why
are
you
doing
this?
What
what
is
motivating
you
to
do
this?
So
nearly
every
single
one
will
talk
about
the
love
of
taking
care
of
children.
All
right,
I
have
will
say.
I
have
heard
a
lot
from
you
know.
The
last
class
we
had
meet
you're
correct.
There
was
a
lot
of
individuals
were
saying:
I
want
to
open
a
facility
or
do
it
in
my
home
for
kids
that
have
special
needs.
E
Cuz
I
can't
find
a
place
for
my
kid
to
go.
One
of
our
clients,
actually,
who
was
in
the
last
class
you
know,
went
to
grad
school
and
is
opening
a
a
facility
for
children
who
are
deaf
so
that
that's
you
know
another
area
as
well:
childcare,
cuz
parents
can't
find
facilities.
So
there
is,
you
know
some
specialized
there,
but
it's
just
in
terms
of
seeking
opportunities
and
that
are
out
there
and
and
teaching
them
in
that
area
as
well.
E
In
terms
of
keeping
records,
you
know,
and
and
again
it's
a
very
regulated
industry.
So
you
have
to
keep
good
records
and
you
know
I
talk
to
people.
You
know
you
balance
your
household
income
every
month.
You
know
what
you
what
you
can
buy
at
the
store,
and
you
can
so
it's
the
same
thing
here
just
needs
to
kind
of
relate
it
to
things
that
they're
doing.
H
H
H
A
A
We
didn't
lose
those
centers
and
in
fact
they
grew
right,
so
they
they
raised
wages,
they
added
workers
and
they
added
kids
that
they
were
serving
right,
and
so
we
have
really
with
great
timing.
We
were
really
lucky
that
we
launched
and
expanded
these
programs
throughout
2021
and
if,
if,
if
you
don't
mind,
I'm
going
to
invite,
we've
had
the
deputy
mayor
in
the
room
so
I'm
going
to
invite
the
deputy
mayor
to
the
table,
because
maybe
he
has
a
handle
on
like.
A
Are
these
dollars
all
expended
and
I
just
wanted
to
recap
that
CU
I'm
not
sure
we
articulated
that
super
clearly
either
it
was
$2
million.
That
I
think
my
staff
put
the
nose
in
front
of
me.
It
was
$2
million
that
city
council
moved
first,
it
was
$250,000
that
City
Council
moved
in
December
of
2014
for
Community
facilities
into
the
2015
City
budget,
as
well
as
creating
the
position
for
Early,
Child
Care
and
some
other
things
doing.
A
study
of
where
Child
Care
Centers
were
which
it
sounds
like.
A
We
need
updating
and
there
have
been
studies
in
between
independent
studies
and
then
it
was
in
20
I
think
was
December
2018,
the
2
million.
No.
It
was
earlier
than
that
$2
million
moved
into
the
city
budget
to
to
increase
that,
and
then
they
kind
of
stayed
separate
pots
and
then
so
it
was
December
2019
that
I
moved
the
$250,000.
That
was
still
left
over
to
the
UR
to
do
the
micr
lending,
especially
for
the
small
centers,
but
then
that
grew
and
changed
because
PNC
matched
it
with
1.5
million.
J
Sure
Jake
Paul
Deputy
Mayor,
director
of
The
Office
management
and
budget.
Thank
you,
councilwoman
gross
for
the
opportunity
just
to
chime
in
here
a
bit
at
the
end
and
thank
you
to
all
the
panelists
both
for
your
your
thoughts
and
and
the
contributions
you've
made
to
today's
discussion,
but
also
the
really
important
work
you're
doing
around
this
issue.
Councilwoman.
To
answer
your
question
at
this
point:
it's
my
understanding
and
there
there
there's-
probably
some.
J
You
know
U
fine,
finer
detail
here
to
to
get
to
the
final
accounting,
but
in
essence
all
of
the
funding
that
was
has
been
made
available
in
the
way
you
just
very
accurately
described
has
been
at
this
point
committed.
Some
of
that
funding
has
not
yet
you
know,
moved
into
programming,
and
so
there
are
there.
There
remain
to
be.
J
You
know,
funds
that
have
been
awarded
to
folks
that
are
not
yet
being
spent,
and
so
we
will
continue
to
see
an
impact
on
an
increasing
number
of
spots
as
that
funding
is
fully
realized
in
the
market
or
in
in
in
this
space
right.
But,
but
we
we
have
since
2019,
which,
as
you
rightly
point
out,
is,
is
5
years
after
the
funding
was
originally
debt.
J
They
can
serve
as
that
initial
allocation
sort
of
winds
down
we're
committed
at
least
to
continuing
that
work
moving
forward,
while
at
the
same
time,
looking
for
you
taking
these
learnings
that
have
been
discussed
today
and
determining
what
the
long-term
best
way
to
preserve
that
into
the
future
might
be,
which
might
also
involve
other
levels
of
government.
But
we're
we're
working
presently
to
identify
funds
with
existing
funds,
largely
within
the
city's
Federal
support,
like
the
cdpg.
A
A
A
D
A
It's
flying
out
the
door,
we
know
there's
demands,
and
so
we
we
had
the
opportunity
to
keep
it
going,
so
it
took
a
long
time
to
get
from
allocation
until
actually
going
out
the
door.
I
want
to
thank
you,
deputy
mayor
for
helping
to
make
that
happen
and
for
your
commitment
to
keeping
it
going
sure
so,
I
appreciate
that.
Are
there
any
other
final
questions
from
Members
great
well,
we'll
have
a
lot
more
conversation,
but
today
we're
going
to
wrap
it
up
so
I'm
going
to
call
this
post
agenda
adjourned.