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A
And
we
welcome
you
to
another
episode.
I
guess
of
black
pittsburgh
matters.
Black
pittsburgh
matters
is
a
series
of
virtual
town
hall
meetings,
affirming
a
city-wide
agenda
that
black
pittsburgh
does
indeed
matter
at
pittsburgh.
Matters
mean
that
black
lives
matter.
We
must
protect
the
health
and
safety
of
black
people.
It
means
that
black
communities
matter.
We
must
focus
on
rebuilding
black
communities
and
it
means
that
black
wealth
matters.
We
must
increase
black
employment
and
entrepreneurial
ship.
B
Normally
in
times
of
crisis
and
great
change,
we'll
be
coming
to
you
as
the
black
elected
officials
of
pittsburgh
and
having
means
across
the
city
with
our
constituents,
partners
and
allies,
since
we
cannot
do
so
safely
in
the
current
pandemic.
We
are
now
using
this
media
and
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to
come
to
you
in
the
ways
in
which
we
can
to
talk
about
what
we're
doing
and
discuss
policy
and
legislation
concerning
black
pittsburgh.
B
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right
now.
Today's
town
hall
meeting
topic
is
pittsburgh.
Community
police
reform,
police
reform
task
force
report.
A
A
A
Three
banning
chokeholds
forbidding
the
police,
the
pittsburgh
police
from
using
chokeholds
when
subduing
citizens,
four
establishing
a
duty
to
intervene.
This
legislation
requires
all
police
officers
to
step
in
and
stop
other
police
officers
from
using
illegal
or
unnecessary
force
or
any
other
violation
of
a
person's
constitutional
right.
Five
establishing
the
stop
the
violence
fund.
This
association
requires
the
city
to
dedicate
dollars
equal
to
ten
percent
of
the
police
budget
annually
for
funding
evidence-based
violence,
prevention
and
social
service
programs
and,
lastly,
number
six.
A
There
is
a
question
on
this
fall's
ballot.
The
legislation
will
amend
the
home
rule
charter
stripping
the
citizen
police
review
board,
but
what
I
need
to
also
acknowledge
is
that,
while
these
bills
came
on
the
heels
of
social
unrest
that
began
with
the
murder
of
george
floyd,
this
is
not
our
first
time
in
implementing
police
reform
legislation.
B
Yes,
we
have,
over
the
years
passed
a
variety
of
police
reform
initiatives,
including
perk,
which
is
now
called
the
group
violence
initiative,
which
is
bringing
a
former
gang
members.
Former
people
who
have
been
reformed
onto
the
street
to
dissuade
young
people
from
committing
crimes
increased
use
of
cameras.
We
have
cameras
now
installed
in
various
places
in
our
communities,
shot
spotter,
gunshot
detection
system.
That's
now
in
probably
most
black
communities.
If
you
shoot
a
firearm,
they
will
be
able
to
detect,
within
45
seconds,
the
exact
location
and
caliber
of
the
shot.
B
The
maryland
authority
assessment
model,
which
prevents
homicide
domestic
related
homicide
that
judge
spurgeon,
who
used
to
be
over
that
division
for
stephen
zappala
d.a
said,
was
the
single
most
important
tool
in
reducing
domestic
related
homicide.
A
national
initiative
to
build
community
trust
that
david
kennedy,
who
also
designed
perk,
brought
that
to
pittsburgh.
B
We
were
one
of
the
first
cities
to
receive
that
training
in
implicit
violence
and
a
racial
reconciliation
and
procedural
justice,
and,
most
recently,
the
stop
the
violence
initiative,
which
is
a
coordination
program
to
look
at
variety
of
social
service
programming
and
connect
them
with
the
police.
In
order
to
make
our
community
safer
together,
we
have
led
this
process
of
combining
effective
social
services
with
smart,
community-based
policing.
B
A
lot
of
times
when
people
don't
understand
this,
that
is
not
easy.
We
can't
just
snap
our
fingers
and
make
change.
Unfortunately,
government
changed
to
take
thoughtful
thoughtfulness
and
deliberation,
because
we
are
constrained
by
the
state
in
many
ways,
but
we
have
been
listening
to
the
protests
and
to
all
interested
parties,
protesters
and
all
interesting
parties,
and
we've
done
what
we
could
to
reform
our
city
and
and
and
the
idea
is
to,
I
think,
to
move
further.
B
A
Good
evening,
all
thank
you
first
and
foremost
for
joining
us.
What
I
would
like
to
do
just
from
an
educational
perspective,
if
we
could
start
with
our
co-chairs,
if
you
could,
please
give
our
guests
an
overview
of
what
the
pittsburgh
community
police
reform
task
force
is.
Maybe
provide
a
brief
overview
of
the
task
force's
report
for
viewers
who
may
be
unaware
of
it
and
just
give
us
a
little
bit
of
background.
E
E
D
Thank
you,
dr
bullock.
Yes,
we
did
have
a
variety
of
people
as
far
as
their
experiences
as
far
as
their
knowledge
of
government,
policing,
etc.
We
went
from
the
gamut
of
people
who
knew
a
lot
like
tim
stevens,
who
has
been
on
the
forefront
for
many
many
years
as
far
as
police
reform
through
people
who
it
is
their
first
time
dealing
with
government
and
policing.
D
So
mayor
peduto
has
provided
a
broad
spectrum
and
in
terms
of
in
terms
of
experiences
in
terms
of
the
specialties
that
the
task
force
members
came
from
or
had,
and
as
far
as
gender
age,
you
name
it.
We
had
all
the
demographics
and
he
was
very
intentional
on
making
sure
all
the
demographics
were
there.
We.
F
D
Young
people
who
were
involved
in
the
protests
and
the
demonstrations
who
were
our
youth
voices
because,
as
has
been
said,
it
has
been
the
youth,
it
has
been
young
people
who
have
been
the
fodder
who
have
been
the
fire
under
our
feet.
If
this
would
not
have
happened,
had
we
not
been
pushed
nationally
by
our
youth,
so
when
mayor
peduto
called
upon
us,
we
were
very,
we
were
very
excited
and
and
very
pleased
to
be
able
to
serve
in
this
in
this
needed
capacity.
D
D
D
Some
of
the
major
topics
were
de-escalation,
which
is
critical.
De-Escalation
of
what
happens
on
the
street
transparency
needing
more
data
needing
the
public
to
understand
what
is
going
on
accountability,
big
subject,
it's
been
a
subject
forever
and
training.
We've
talked
about
recruitment.
What
type
of
people
are
you
recruiting?
Are
you
going
back
to
retrain
in
implicit
bias?
Are
you
holding
police
officers
accountable?
So
without
saying
much
more?
I
don't
want
to
take
away
the
thunder
of
the
of
the
impending
discussion,
but
we,
the
the
task
force,
also
wants
to.
D
D
As
far
as
people
oriented
we
reached
out
the
task
force
chairs,
as
well
as
the
members
reached,
wanted
to
reach
out
to
a
number
of
organizations
and
people
such
as
the
lgbtqia
community,
the
gender
equity
commission,
youth
advocates,
former
police
officers,
the
cprb,
the
citizens,
police,
review
board,
omi
office
of
municipal
investigations.
We
wanted
to
have
a
very
comprehensive
understanding
so
that
we
could
have
a
very
valid
and
very
pertinent
report
to
submit
to
the
city.
Thank.
B
I
think
you,
the
report,
is
very
comprehensive
and,
and
obviously
has
the
mark
of
scholarship
in
it.
I
I
want
to
ask
a
real
basic
question
both
to
want
to
start
with,
with
professor
harris
and
then
to
amanda,
but
in
in
plain
talk:
is
there
something
wrong
with
our
police
is?
Is
there
you
know
we
have
we've
had
both
nationally
and
locally?
Is
there
something
wrong
with
our
police?
Is
there
something
inherently
wrong
with
our
police
process?
Professor
harris.
G
Well,
I
want
to
thank
everybody
for
inviting
me
to
this
discussion
and
is
there
something
wrong
with
our
police?
I
say
we're
all
aware,
including
members
of
the
police
department,
including
a
command
staff
that
we
can
do
better
than
we
are
doing
now.
We
found
a
number
of
areas
in
which
police
services
and
and
the
routine
activities
of
police
really
attracted
our
attention.
G
We
knew
about
the
various
incidents
over
the
years,
the
names
of
which
I'm
sure
would
come
back
to
you
here
in
pittsburgh,
of
the
use
of
violence
or
force
in
ways
that
seem
to
upset
many
members
of
our
community,
and
there
was
not
sufficient
accountability
for
them.
That,
I
think,
is
something
that
needs
to
be
addressed
and
the
whole
accountability
mechanism
seemed
very
opaque
to
a
number
of
our
of
our
members
and
they
want
better
data
on
all
these
things.
C
But
I
think
first,
I
want
to
mention
something
that
I
learned
about
our
police
in
the
course
of
our
meetings,
and
that
is
that
our
police
department
is
by
many
measures
and
those
can
be
debated
by
many
measures
doing
well
when
it
comes
to
policies
and
practices
and
that
they
tend
to
be
at
the
tend
to
be
ahead
of
other
police
departments
around
the
country
because
of
things
that
have
been
done
in
the
past.
So
I
do
want
to
mention
that
as
far
as
things
that
could
be
done
better.
A
So
you
both
mentioned
a
number
of
things.
I
actually
want
to
talk
about,
so
I'm
going
to
start
with
data.
Mr
harris,
you
spoke
a
lot
about
data.
The
report
speaks
a
lot
about
data.
How
can
we
go
about
one
collecting
the
data
better
but
also
then
making
it
transparent,
because
the
report
talks
about
making
the
data
as
transparent
as
possible?
G
Well,
it's
a
great
question:
councilman
lavelle,
we
are
not
as
a
city
and
a
police
bureau
collecting
nearly
enough
data
on
routine
police
activity.
If
you
go
from
city
to
city
and
we
talk
to
experts
from
outside
pittsburgh,
you
will
see
a
much
richer
collection
of
data
elsewhere
and
how
do
you
collect
it?
There
are
a
whole
variety
of
ways.
Sometimes
it
is
the
officers
themselves
that
are
the
source,
but
it
can
also
be
done
through
technical
technological
solutions
of
various
kinds
and
then,
as
far
as
making
it
transparent.
This
is
key.
G
We
heard
from
some
people
who
have
built
transparent
data
systems
for
other
cities
such
as
the
new
orleans
police
department.
If
there
was
ever
a
troubled
police
department
in
this
country,
deeply
troubled,
it
would
be
that
one
and
it's
much
better
now
for
a
variety
of
reasons,
but
the
thing
that
was
very
striking
about
what
they
told
us
was.
G
They
are
now
looked
at
as
the
most
transparent
police
department,
because
you
build
a
dashboard.
Essentially,
that
gives
almost
real-time
access,
nearly
real-time
access
to
the
data
on
all
kinds
of
routine
activities
by
the
police
department,
numbers
of
arrests,
numbers
of
traffic
stops,
stops
and
frisks.
All
these
things,
it's
easy
to.
I'm
overdoing
it
when
I
say
easy.
Nothing
is
easy.
We
know
that,
but
it
can
be
done
in
ways
that
are
easy
to
systematize
to
put
into
a
system,
and
then
you
share
it
with
the
public
for
too
long.
G
It
should
be
in
real
time
and
broad
and
deep
right
now,
the
citizens
of
pittsburgh
get
data
on
routine
police
activities
once
a
year
after
the
year
is
over
through
the
annual
report,
and
that's
just
not
acceptable,
I
mean
we
have
to
do
better
now.
We've
got
two
great
universities
here
who
do
all
kinds
of
work
like
this.
B
What
are
the
things
that
we
collect
more
data,
as
dr
bullock,
I
think,
began
to
talk
about
and
I'll
come
back
to
him
to
begin.
The
conversation
is
about
racial
disparity
right
that
we
know
that
there
is,
and
this
racial
disparity
in
terms
of
arrest
and
stoppage
has,
I
think,
also
an
impact
on
how
communities
of
color
view
the
police
right.
E
It
was
also
recognized
that
as
relationships
can
be
developed
and
that's
developed
by
getting
to
know
the
individuals
within
the
community,
those
relationships
begin
to
bring
that
level
of
trust.
The
availability
of
data
also
brings
that
level
of
trust,
so,
combining
that
being
open
and
transparent
with
the
community
begins
to
remove
the
racial
disparities
that
perhaps
have
occurred
over
the
years
and
the
police
are
more
fair
in
their
activities
to
really
present
a
very
positive
service
to
the
community
which
we
they
serve.
B
D
Oh
well,
the
implicit
bias
I
mean.
That's
definitely
one
of
the
things
in
the
in
the
training
recruitment
part
of
the
report
is
implicit.
Bias
is
part
of
the
training
module.
We,
the
task
force,
looked
at
the
all
the
what
the
training
looks
like
for
any
cadet,
and
there
are
a
number
of
different
subjects.
Subjects
within
those
within
the
whole
training
and
the
implicit
bias
is
just
one,
but
it
doesn't
have
as
many
hours
or
credits
so
to
speak.
D
As
you
see
other
other
parts
of
the
curriculum
that
are
very
strictly
police
oriented
in
the
report.
In
our
task
force
report,
it
is
highly
recommended
that
implicit
bias
be
prioritized
that
it
not
be
just
the
cadet
level
training
that
it
not
be
one
time
and
you're
done.
It
needs
to
be
annual.
It
needs
to
be
repeated
for
all
of
the
police,
as
well
as
accountability,
to
make
sure
that
there
is
a
review
when
we
talk
about
when
dr
harris
talked
about
data
and
dr
bullet
talked
about
the
data.
D
That's
one
area
of
data
is
the
racial
breakdown.
What's
in
data
it's
black
and
white,
if
it
says
that
you
know
there
are,
there
is
disparity.
It's
going
to
be
quite
evident
from
the
numbers.
So
again
the
implicit
bias
training
is
very,
very,
very
important
in
and
the
data
to
make
sure
that
it
is
reviewed
not
just
annually,
like
dr
harris
said,
but
routinely
to
see
where
we're
at
in
terms
of
racial
disparities
and
to
hold
people
accountable.
For
that.
G
It's
so
true,
and
what
you
have
to
do
is
not
just
get
the
data
but
follow
through
on
it
follow
up
on
it.
You
have
to
say:
okay,
we
see
a
disparity
here
and
by
the
way,
disparity
is
not
the
same
thing
as
saying
there
is
discrimination,
it
means
there's
a
difference,
and
can
you
explain
it
and
you
ask
you
would
ask
this
if
any
police
officer
the
sergeant
or
lieutenant
might
do
that,
and
then
we
ask
the
same
kind
of
questions
of
the
department
itself
at
the
department
level.
G
If
there
is
no
non-racial
explanation
well,
then
we
have
to
get
rid
of
that
disparity.
Now
we
must
ask:
what's
your
plan
for
getting
rid
of
that
disparity?
Why
are
there
so
many
traffic
stops
in
this
area
for
these
kinds
of
things
when
they're
not
happening
over
there
in
this
other
community,
it
really
does
get
down
to
that
kind
of
granular
follow-through.
That's
so
important.
C
And
when
we're
talking
about
data,
I
think
it's
also
important
to
mention
not
only
what
the
police
officers
are
doing
and
getting
data
from
that.
But
we
also
have
to
look
at
how
are
communities
determined
to
be
underserved
or
to
be
a
place
where
we're
going
to
have
a
greater
police
presence,
and
that's
something
that
we
were
looking
for
data
on
as
well?
How
is
that
determined?
Is
it
because
someone
feels
that
way
or
is
it
because
of
statistics
showing
instances
of
crime
at
certain
periods
of
the
day
or
times,
and
things
like
that?
C
That's
what
we're
looking
looking
for!
Other
than
that
you
know
it's.
It
seems
to
be
arbitrary
as
to
whether
as
to
how
the
community
could
be
targeted
for
a
greater
police
presence,
and
when
you
have
arbitrary
decisions
being
made.
That's
where
you
have
a
you
run
a
greater
risk
of
having
a
lot
of
problems.
A
So
towards
that
end,
then
amanda,
I'm
curious.
Where
are
you
or
how
you
view
predictive
policing
models?
Recently,
city
council,
we
received
a
lot
of
emails
and
a
lot
of
calls
from
concerned
citizens
about
predictive
policing
where
we
essentially
use
data
to
be
able
to
say
well.
We
suspect
that
more
crime
will
occur
there
and
therefore
we
need
to
dispatch
more
police
into
that
community.
C
Well,
I
can
only
say
from
my
time
during
the
the
larger
meetings:
it's
not
anything
that
I
recall
being
discussed
in
my
particular
committee,
but
during
our
larger
meetings
we
talked
about.
I
remember
asking
a
question
specifically
about
how
is
it
determined
that
a
community
is
underserved
and
it
wasn't
quite
clear
to
me
that
there
was
data
available
at
all,
perhaps
or
maybe
at
that
time
to
explain
to
us
how
the
community
would
be
described
as
underserved
and
I
do
understand
predictive
modeling.
C
But
we
still
also
need
to
be
careful
that
that
stereotypes
and
bias
aren't
going
into
that
data
to
then
target
certain
communities
again,
because
we're
hearing
a
lot
about
analysis
of
data
and
how,
when
you
have
humans
dealing
with
the
data,
the
biases
seem
to
come
out
right,
and
so
we
have
to
be.
We
have
to
be
careful,
I
understand
the
need
for
it,
but
at
the
same
time
we
have
to
be
responsible
and
attuned
to
what's
happening
with
the
communities.
G
That
that's
so
correct
with
these
predictive
models,
what
happens
is
the
biases
from
the
past
from
the
data
we
use
from
the
past
gets
baked
into
the
prediction
and
then
we're
no
better
off
than
we
are
now,
except
now,
we've
got
a
sheen
of
numbers
on
it,
so
it
looks
very
objective
and
it's
not
it's.
Just
the
humans,
who've
done
things
in
the
past.
It's
their
biases
coming
up
through
the
predictions.
D
B
B
I
have
said
publicly:
it's
not
secret
that
I've
always
been
in
favor
of
giving
police
raised
because
they're
putting
their
life
on
their
land
and
you
cannot
overestimate
the
value
of
single
life.
So
I
am
I'm
I'm
curious
to
to
hear
more
about
your
thoughts
about
about
officer
welders,
how
important
that
is
and
the
things
we
can
do
to
to
support
the
health
and
mental
well-being
of
our
officers,
who
are
doing
this
essential,
but
also
very,
very
difficult
job.
B
I
think
you
know
in
many
many
ways
if
you
look
at
the
outcomes
of
officers
in
terms
of
suicide,
depression,
alcoholism,
you
know
they'll
rank
high
in
those
kind
of
those
kind
of
fill
those
charts,
because
their
job
is
just
so
stressful.
And
I
I
commend
the
authors
of
the
report
for
making
that
a
priority
so
talk
to
talk
to
us
a
little
bit
about
your
recommendations
for
officer
wilderness
and
do
you
think
that's
as
important
as
I
think
it
is
in
the
report.
D
You
know,
following
up
with
with
dr
bullock-
and
you
would
like
this
rev-
is
that
the
sharon
werner
was
the
subcommittee
chair
for
officer
wellness,
and
she
asked
to
involve
rabbi
ron,
simon
and
minister
darnell
drury
and
through
external
communications.
They
also
had
lydia
barlow,
who
is
christian
associates,
so
to
get
together
to
talk
about
the
faith-based,
the
faith-based
component
to
officer
wellness
at
the
time
that
we
met.
D
You
know
that's
the
whole
mantra
of
I'm
a
police
officer,
and
it
doesn't
do
them
well,
as
you
know
that
they
could
have
problems
that
impact
them
at
home
and
on
the
job,
but
through
a
faith-based
component
working
with
chief
schubert
working
with
public
safety
director,
his
rich,
there
may
be
more
of
a
proclivity
to
be
able
to
bear
your
soul
so
to
speak
and
to
be
able
to
work
out
something.
So
again,
that's
just
one.
D
C
I
also
think
it's
important
to
note
something
that
I
recall
saying
about
people
in
the
healthcare
profession,
particularly
those
who
work
in
emergency
rooms
and
how,
when
they're
under
stress
they're,
more
likely
to
revert
to
bias
in
responding
to
emergencies.
It's
what
they
know
is
what
they're
comfortable
with
they
need
to
make
a
split
second
decision.
C
What
do
we
know
about
people
who
look
like
this
or
people
who
act
like
that
and
when
we're
talking
about
officer
wellness,
I
think
the
same
thing
can
apply
if
we're
dealing
with
officers
who
are
under
a
great
deal
of
stress,
then
we
need
to
look
at
helping
them
become
well
alleviating
some
of
the
stress
dealing
with
some
of
that
stress
so
that
perhaps
they're
not
using
bias
to
make
those
split-second
decisions
in
those
emergency
situations.
So
it's
very
important.
A
So
part
of
which
the
report
talks
about
in
terms
of
bringing
on
sort
of
a
whole
a
wholesome
police
officer
is
the
actual
hiring
process,
the
qualifications
and
the
training
needed
to
become
sort
of
an
effective
police
officer
in
the
city.
Now
I'm
wondering
if
any
of
you
can
speak
a
bit
about
the
guardian
mindset
that
wasn't
something
I
was
very
familiar
with
until
I
read
the
report,
but
speak,
maybe
about
the
guardian
mindset,
community,
policing
and
some
of
the
cultural
changes
that
the
task
force
suggested.
G
Yeah,
I'd
be
glad
to
talk
about
that
too
often
in
too
many
police
departments.
This
is
not
just
pittsburgh,
but
too
many
officers
think
of
themselves
as
warriors.
It's
a
war
on
crime.
It's
a
war
on
drugs,
there's
the
bad
guys
out.
There
are
the
enemies
and,
by
the
way,
they're
pretty
hard
to
tell
from
the
civilians
who
are
not
and
therefore,
in
a
war
you
have
collateral
damage.
You
have
casualties.
These
things
just
happen.
G
That's
the
wrong
mindset,
and
american
policing
in
general
has
been
pervaded
by
that
mindset
through
training
through
police
culture
in
lots
and
lots
of
ways
for
a
couple
of
decades.
Now,
where
we
need
to
move
is
exactly
what
you're
talking
about
towards
a
more
a
guardian
mindset,
and
that
simply
means
the
idea
of
that
you're
there
to
take
care
of
the
community
you're
there
to
protect
the
community.
It's
not
a
war
war
is
not
a
way
to
think
about
domestic
policing.
It's
not
a
way
to
do
domestic
policing.
G
This
goes
far
beyond
the
use
of
military
equipment.
It's
a
mindset,
and
so
the
mindset
of
the
guardian
is
quite
different
and
for
those
who
are
interested
I'd
recommend
looking
at
2015
presidential
task
force
report,
the
president's
task
force
on
21st
century
policing
is
widely
available
on
the
internet.
On
from
the
obama
administration,
describes
guardian
style,
policing
that
caretaking
function
for
the
community.
You
know
just
a
few
of
the
differences,
a
warrior
mindset.
G
You
you
cluster
around
your
own
people
and
you
protect
your
own
people
at
all
costs.
The
guardian
looks
to
protect
the
law
and
the
people
that
he
or
she
is
supposed
to
serve.
The
warrior
reacts
instantaneously
and
uses
violence
whenever
necessary.
The
guardian
stops
thinks
is
careful.
Even
doubts
ask
questions.
G
These
are
big
big
differences
in
approach
and,
more
and
more
still
still
small
numbers,
but
more
police
departments
are
taking
on
this
guardian
approach,
and
I
cannot.
I
cannot
stress
how
important
that
is
to
a
cultural
shift
within
the
police
department.
It
can't
be
a
war
because
any
war
out
here
becomes
a
war
on
the
people
of
this
city,
and
that's
just
not
good.
Never
has
been.
A
Stop
so
I
would
follow
a
question
then,
if
I
could
rev
do
you
believe
that
the
warrior
mindset
in
any
way
affects
how
we
go
about
crowd,
control
or
how
we
choose
to
deploy
crowd
control
measures
which
we
saw
happening,
which
are
being
contested,
would
happen
in
our
city
this
summer.
So
I'm
just
curious:
if
do
you
believe,
there's
any
connection
there,
and
if
so,
how
do
we
move
away
from
that
or
what
do
you
believe
appropriate
crowd?
Control
measures
should
be.
G
I
do
believe,
there's
a
connection.
I
think,
there's
a
there's,
a
definite
connection.
You
I
mean
I
saw
the
film
just
as
many
of
you
have
of
police
officers
in
riot
gear
and
so
forth.
This
becomes
a
paramilitary
force
at
that
point,
anytime,
police
have
what
are
called
less
lethal
munitions.
Things
like
tear
gas,
like
pepper,
pepper,
balls
like
flash
bangs
like
rubber
bullets.
G
The
temptation
is
there
to
use
them
and
without
prejudging
the
legal
actions,
because
I
know
nothing
about
the
internal
things
that
are
going
on
there.
It
did
seem
like
they
were
used
inappropriately
just
from
what
I
could
see
what
the
task
force
recommended
and
what
I
would
stand
behind
is
bringing
in.
As
our
co-chair
mcdonald
roberts
said
a
few
minutes
ago.
G
We
need
an
outside
evaluator
to
tell
us
not
about
those
incidents,
but
whether
pittsburgh
is
properly
trained,
whether
the
policies
are
in
place
and
whether
the
officers
know
how
to
use
those
things
with
restraint
and
use
them
only
when
necessary.
I
think
there's
some
evidence.
That
indicates
that
that
was
not
the
case
and
it
is
that
mentality.
G
D
I
I
have
to
chime
in
also
follow
up
to
to
dr
harris
dave,
you're
right
and
in
participating
in
as
co-chairs.
We
did
participate
on
subcommittee
meetings
and
in
the
recruitment,
the
education
recruitment-
and
I
don't
know
tim
stevens
title
was
like
this
long
as
far
as
the
subcommittee.
It
is
everything
in
there,
but
the
one
thing
that
a
senior
police
official
administrator
said
this.
D
It
was
said
that
they
that
they
are
trained
to
have
guardian
mentality,
but
that
is
the
standard,
but
they
also
must
be
able
to
revert
to
a
warrior
mentality
when
they're,
when
the
when
the
situation
is
called
upon.
What
david's
going
towards
is
this?
There
needs
to
be
proper
training
so
that
they
know
when
the
warrior
mentality
kicks
in.
There
will
be
a
time
where
warrior
mentality
kicks
in
to
protect
the
public.
D
We
understand
that,
but
for
most
of
the
time
overwhelming
majority
of
the
time
it
needs
to
be
guardian,
but
any
police
officer
if
they're
worth
their
brain
assault
has
to
be
both.
They
have
to
be
both.
They
will
hurt,
they
will
hurt
themselves
and
hurt
others
if
they're
not
able
to
refer
to
a
warrior
mentality
and
at
the
same
time
they
will
hurt
the
public
if
they
only
go
in
with
warrior
mentality,
where
it's
too
easy
to
slip
into
that.
D
So
again,
they're
trained
to
be
the
baseline
is
the
guardian
mentality
and
hopefully
that'll
be
their
whole
day
is
a
guardian
mentality,
but
we
do
need
external
trainers.
We
need
people
to
come
in
and
train
properly
how
we
should
disperse
crowds
to
to
make
sure
that
we're
doing
it
right,
I'm
not
saying
they
did
everything
wrong.
For
the
most
part,
things
were
peaceful,
but
there
were
incidents
that
they
weren't
peaceful
and
that
they
did
use
excessive
force
when
they
really
didn't
have
to.
D
So
I
think
we
need
a
second
a
second
set
of
eyes
to
come
in
and
say
well
what
do
we
do
right?
What
we
do
wrong
and,
more
importantly,
I
believe
the
mayor
said
this.
I'm
not
sure
where
I
heard
this
they
are
thinking
about
for,
for
crowd.
Disbursement
for
crowd
is
to
have
more
supervision,
train
supervisors
to
be
there
on
the
spot.
To
make
sure
that
that
warrior
mentality
in
un
basically
unrelatable
it
should
not
be
there.
So
we
need
trained
people
in
situations
where
I
they.
B
The
area
that
I'm
probably
the
most
interested
in
and
I'll
start
with
you
mandom
and
I'd
like
to
actually
hear
all
of
your
thoughts
on
this.
But
this
whole
idea
of
reimagining
police
right
there's
been
this
national
crime
to
defund
the
police
and
some
cities
have
actually
dismailed
the
police
force.
Your
recommendations
certainly
don't
say
that,
but
they
do
talk
about
reimagining
the
police
and
I
have
some
ideas
on
what
that
means.
But
I'm
curious
in
your
minds:
what
does
it
mean?
What
does
reimagining
the
place?
Look
like
amanda!
C
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
we
have
to
think
about
is
what
do
we
want
police
for?
What
do
we
want
to
have
a
line
item
in
the
budget
to
pay
for
police
to
do
what
and
do
we
want
them,
responding
to
mental
health
crises?
Do
we
want
them
responding
to
cats
stuck
in
trees
right
all
of
these
other
ancillary
things
that
they
do,
but
don't
necessarily
come
along
with
true
law
enforcement
purposes?
C
Now
I
do
understand
that
there
are
probably
plenty
of
police
officers
who
would
welcome
the
opportunity
to
help
someone
deliver
a
baby
right.
Those
are
some
of
the
joys
of
the
job
right,
but
when
it
comes
to
other
things
that
take
them
away
from
more
urgent
needs
in
the
community,
I
think
we
need
to
re-evaluate
how
we
can
better
respond
to
other
needs
in
the
community
and
have
our
police
do
the
job
of
law
enforcement.
G
I
agree
with
that.
I
think
that's,
I
think,
that's
right
on
target
when
I
hear
the
words
reimagining
policing
what
I'm
thinking
about
what
is
what
is
the
total
group
of
services
we're
having
police
do
now
and
they,
as
amanda
said,
we're
responding
a
whole
bunch
of
things
that
are
not
about
fighting
crime
and
they're,
also
responding
to
calls
that
arise
from
homelessness
and
drug
addiction
and
mental
health
crises
and
so
forth,
and
those
things
can
lead
to
very,
very
bad
results,
as
we
saw
the
other
night
in
philadelphia
when
the
police
there.
G
G
That's
what
and
which
of
those
do
we
want
them
to
go
to
and
then,
if
we
don't
need
them
for
these
other
things,
we
actually
have
to
create
the
the
other
services,
the
communications
that
will
get
the
other
services
there.
We
had
a
lot
of
discussion
about
9-1-1
and
things
like
that.
We
have
to
fund
the
other
services
and
then
transfer
the
responsibility
for
those
other
things
to
the
other
service
providers.
G
That's
what
reimagining
policing
means
to
me.
I
don't,
I
don't
think
we're
yet
at
a
point
where
we
could
do
without.
Nor
would
we
want
to
do
without
our
law
enforcement
apparatus
when
it's
truly
needed,
but
we
have
to
isolate
what
those
situations
actually
are
and
move
other
things
into
other
categories.
We
can
also
do
that
by
decriminalizing,
a
greater
number
of
things
and
I'm
not
just
talking
about
decriminalizing
cannabis.
G
I
mean
what
we
need
police
for
that
that
should
be
a
crime
traffic
offenses
most
moving
offenses
are
criminal.
I
can
see
dwi,
I
could
see
reckless
driving,
but
failing
to
use
your
signal.
We
need
a
police
officer
to
actually
do
that
and
then
things
go
wrong.
So
I
think
there's
a
lot.
We
can
do
to
reimagine
the
ways
and
the
situations
that
are
ripe
right
for
police
services
and
the
ones
where
we
want
some
other
solution.
A
D
I
can
say
that
the
mayor's
office
I
mean
we
have
gvi
funded,
which
was
very
very
that
was
excellent
piece
of
legislation
as
well
as
stop
the
violence
funding.
You
need
that,
and
the
mayor's
office
is
now
trying
to
implement
it
and
I'll
get
it
so
wrong,
but
I'll
just
say
large
rogowski,
but
the
office
of
whatever
she
was
a
critical
communities
manager
to
be
able
to
bring
in
more
of
these
external
people
to
work
with
the
police,
social
service
workers,
etc.
D
And,
as
as
david
dooley
said,
that
philadelphia
incident
speaks
volumes
of
what
the
the
report
that
we
submitted
addresses,
but
with
with
bringing
in
other
external
people
there,
we
really
do
need
to
have
different
type
of
funding
for
these
social
workers.
I'm
going
to
give
you
an
example.
I
participated
in
the
u.s
conference
of
mayors
forum,
facilitated
by
mayor
lightfoot
in
philadelphia,
chicago
excuse
me,
and
I
just
have
to
say
this-
bear
with
me
for
about
two
minutes.
D
D
D
They
thought
the
male
took
the
female
out
of
the
household
to
outside,
where
it
was
safe
and
she
began
to
talk
with
the
social
worker,
giving
her
resources
that
were
absolutely
needed,
that
the
police
should
not
have
to
do,
but
that
social
worker
is
more
trained,
much
more
trained
for
that.
While
the
two,
the
woman,
the
abused
woman
and
the
social
worker
were
talking,
the
male
that
was
in
the
house
went
in
and
got
a
gun
and
he
proceeded
to
shoot.
D
The
police
officer
was
because
they
had
a
a
bulletproof
vest
and
he
was
armed
managed
to
defuse
that
situation
with
that
old
warrior
mentality
to
make
sure
that
no
one
was
killed.
No
innocent
person
was
killed.
That
is
an
incident
where
you
cannot
say
just
the
police
or
just
a
social
worker
if
it
was
just
a
social
worker.
There'd
have
been
dead
bodies.
D
If
it
was
just
the
police,
it
probably
would
have
been
worse,
but
because
they
were
both
working
together,
they
managed
to
keep
they
managed
to
to
to
be
able
to
keep
the
peace
to
make
sure
no
one
was
killed.
That's
what
that's!
What
we
talk
about
reimagining
and
that's
what
we're
talking
about
is,
do
you
need
one
or
the
other
you
need
both.
You
do
need
both.
So
it's
a
spectrum
it
there
there's
some.
What
what
this
task
force
realized,
there's
so
many
gray
areas,
it's
it's
rarely
black
and
white.
E
So
are
those
components
that
can
be
embraced
to
help
in
areas
of
reimagining
the
work
that
we're
doing
in
our
local
police
force.
If
so,
will
that
also
bring
in
one
way
of
increasing
trust,
presenting
transparency
and
strengthening
the
police
force
to
be
a
greater
service
and
a
positive
service
to
the
community
as
a
whole?.
D
Okay,
what
happened
is
the
mayor
had
put
this
together
and
I
can't
speak
for
him
as
far
as
what
his
rationale
for
certain
people,
but
he
went
the
gamut
from
community
advocates
and
activists
from
young
to
not
so
young,
because
I'm
not
old
right
quitting,
didn't
they
we're
not
old
so
from
a
non-profit
foundation,
community
corporate
community-
and
what
am
I
missing?
Anybody.
E
D
And
and
to
dr
bullock,
he
led
facilitated
the
meetings
to
keep
us
on
target.
Keep
us
on
a
timeline,
make
sure
that
we
have
you
know,
information,
etc.
We,
it
was
a
very
good
partnership.
Thank
you,
dr
bullock,
but
one
thing
I
have
to
be
very
honest:
no,
we
were
not
on
the
same
page
at
all,
we
came
from
different
perspectives
and
there
were
definitely
disagreements
when
people
say
it's
just
a
kumbaya
type
of
task
force,
hex.
No,
we
were
disagreeing,
we
weren't
arguing.
D
Were
we
no,
we
weren't
arguing,
but
we
were
disagreeing.
Sometimes
some
of
us
moved
a
little
bit
and
compromised.
Sometimes
we
didn't
budge,
and
sometimes
we
just
had
to
come
to
a
consensus,
and
this
is
what
makes
this
an
excellent
report.
Is
that
we
act.
What
he
did
is
got
people
together,
that
he
knew
weren't
going
to
be
on
the
same
page
and
he
had
to
sit
at
the
table
and
talk
to
one
another.
That's
what
I
would
say
for
the
pittsburgh
community
absolutely
needs
to
be
done.
We
have
to
talk
to
one
another.
D
F
G
Yeah,
it
was
a
very,
very
good
session.
We
I'm
I'm
very
happy
that
one
of
our
task
force
members,
I
believe
it
was
nate-
was
it
not?
Yes,
yeah
nate
yap.
He
suggested
that
we
do
this
and
the
people
who
came
and
spoke
to
us
really
gave
us
a
lot
of
information,
helped
to
enlighten
our
views
about
what
their
particular
problems
and
issues
with
the
police
department
were.
I'm
very
grateful
that
they
came.
D
It
was
siora,
thomas
and
very
much
so
advocating
for
the
transgender
community
to
make
sure
that
there
was
training
to
be
able
to
have
police
react
accordingly,
that
again
with
the
transgender
community
to
make
sure
they
understand
what
transgender
is
to
refer
to
people.
I'll
tell
you
what
she
came
up.
D
F
G
We
want
to
see
these
things
get
done.
There
are
eight
core
areas
and
over
a
hundred
recommendations
and
they
cover
the
waterfront
as
far
as
every
area
that
we
can
do
to
improve
police
to
augment
our
own
city,
make
it
better
make
it
safe
for
everyone,
and
we
want
to
see
that
these
things
get
done.
So
for
me,
the
biggest
issue
now
is
implementation.
E
And-
and
I
would
approach
it
to
say
that
they're
all
a
priority,
because
each
one
would
have
an
impact
on
the
overall
enhancement
of
the
delivery
of
police,
community
policing.
So
implementing
elements
in
all
of
them
will
have
a
positive
impact
or
transforming
impact
on
community
policing
as
a
whole.
C
That
divide
needs
to
be
bridged
in
some
way,
and
I
say
perception
because
to
note
to
know
someone's
a
racist,
you
have
to
know
their
hearts
and
minds,
and
I
do
not
know
that
for
for
fact,
but
that
perception
is
real
and
because
there's
that
perception
there
is
a
problem
between
the
police
and
the
community.
We
got
to
fix
it.
D
And,
and
also
you
know,
one
task
force
member
repeatedly
said
that
you
know
a
lot
of
people
aren't
going
to
you
know.
Is
this
report
going
to
be
well
received
and,
and
dr
bullock
guy,
if
you
can
chime
in
as
well,
we
met
to
generate
a
very
thoughtful
report
that
would
be
impactful
maximal,
maximum
impact
and
therefore
that's
why
it
took
so
long.
It
took
over
three
months
hours
and
hours
and
hours
of
discussion
reaching
out
to
other
other
community
organizations,
external
partners.
D
We
had
to
embrace
the
passion
and
the
anger
that
was
out
there,
and
we
had
to
temper
that
with
the
facts
with
research,
with
with
data
that
we
had
and
focusing
on
pittsburgh,
we
had
to
balance
it
all
and
to
come
up
with
a
thoughtful
report,
as
dr
hare
said.
Is
that
something
that
is
not
going
to
sit
on
a
shelf?
Therefore,
there
was
a
lot
of
thought
put
in
there
to
make
sure
that
some
some
recommendations
are
maybe
a
little
aspirational.
Some
of
them
are
easily
implementable,
it
runs
the
gamut.
D
So
again,
I
think
it
was
a
very
comprehensive
deliberation
that
the
task
force
performed
and
we're
very
proud
of
the
report
and,
more
than
anything
else
I
was
asked,
will
the
young
people
be
patient?
I
think
young
people
and
people
that
are
out
there
scrutinizing
they.
As
dr
said,
they
want
to
see
something
done.
They
want
to
see
incremental,
progressive
change.
That
is
that's.
What
will
keep
people?
Patient
is
seeing
actual
accomplishment.
A
With
that
being
said,
we
have
come
up
on
our
hour
of
spending
time
together,
and
I
want
to
thank
you
all
for
your
time
and
helping
educate
us
one.
I
want
to
thank
you
first
and
foremost
for
the
three
months
or
three
or
so
months.
You
spent
working
on
the
documents
so
that
we
could
indeed
reimagine
policing
within
our
city.
More
specifically,
I
want
to
thank
our
guests
for
this
evening
task
force
co-chairs
dr
clinton,
bullock,
the
president
of
ccac
and
miss
mcdonald
roberts,
chair
of
the
housing
authority.
A
In
order
to
really
have
a
truly
successful
black
community
is
imperative
that
we
make
ourselves
safe
and
peaceful.
I
believe
this
report
is
going
to
help
us
do
that,
and
you
should
also
note
that
we
are
committed
to
implementing
both
this
report,
but
also
rebuilding
black
communities
in
pittsburgh,
for
black
people
by
black
people
with
our
partners
and
allies.
B
I
also
want
to
thank
our
viewing
audience
for
watching
and
participating
in
this
town
hall
meeting.
Remember
you
can
watch
this
show
on
facebook,
the
city's
youtube
channel
or
the
city's
cable
channel.
A
new
meeting
occurs
every
wednesday
by
working
together,
united
purpose.
We
can
transform
our
city
strengthen
it
for
all
of
its
residents.