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A
Hi,
I'm
pittsburgh
city
councilman,
daniel
lavelle
and
I'm
councilman,
reverend
ricky
burgess
and
welcome
to
black
pittsburgh
matters.
Black
pittsburgh
matters
is
a
series
of
virtual
town
hall
meetings,
affirming
a
city-wide
agenda
that
black
pittsburgh
does
indeed
matter,
and
what
does
it
mean?
It
means
that
black
pittsburgh
matters
means
black
lives
matter,
which
is
the
protecting
the
health
and
safety
of
black
people.
It
means
that
black
communities
matters
that
means
rebuilding
and
investing
in
black
communities,
and
it
means
that
black
wealth
matters,
which
means
we
must
increase
black
employment
and
entrepreneurial.
B
Now
the
black
community
has
been
disproportionately
affected
by
the
current
concurrent
crises,
the
economic
crisis
and
kovic
19
pandemic
and,
of
course,
race.
Relations
in
a
public
health
crisis,
normally
in
times
of
crisis
and
great
change,
we'll
be
coming
to
you
as
the
black
elected
officials
of
pittsburgh
and
having
means
across
our
city
with
our
constituents
partners
in
our
lives.
B
Since
we
cannot
do
that
safely
in
the
current
pandemic,
we
are
using
this
media
and
platform
to
come
to
you
in
ways
that
we
can
to
talk
about
what
we're
doing,
discuss
policy
and
legislation
concerning
black
pittsburgh.
These
meetings
will
be
available
via
zoom
facebook,
youtube
and
the
city's
cable
channel.
You
can
contact
or
ask
questions
via
the
pittsburgh.
B
A
Both
rev
and
myself
are
indeed
legislators,
so
we
wanted
to
make
sure
the
public
was
aware
of
recently
passed
legislation
recently,
working
together,
both
rev
and
I
recently
sponsored
a
number
of
police
reform
bills
that
recently
passed
city
council
when
signed
into
law
by
the
mayor.
The
six
pieces
of
legislation
include
one
establishing
a
hiring
freeze
in
the
bureau
of
police,
this
legislation,
which
will
defund
the
police,
recruitment
class
and
first
year
police
officer
line
item
in
the
bureau's
2020
budget.
The
second
bill
requires
the
demilitarization
of
the
police.
A
A
This
legislation
requires
all
police
officers
to
step
in
and
stop
other
police
officers
from
using
illegal
or
unnecessary
force
in
any
other
in
any
other
violation
of
a
person's
constitutional
rights.
The
fifth
piece
is
establishing
stop
the
violence
fund.
This
legislation
requires
the
city
to
dedicate
dollars
equal
to
ten
percent
of
the
police
budget
annually
for
funding,
evidence-based
violence,
prevention,
social
service
programs
and
then,
sixth
and
last
one
is
placing
a
question
on
the
fall
ballot,
which
is
this
legislation
will
amend
the
homeroom
charter
to
strengthen
the
citizen
police
review
board.
A
However,
although
those
were
recently
passed,
this
work
is
not
new
to
myself
or
reverend
burgess.
I
can
tell
you
reverend
bird
just
began
working
on
police
reform
matters
prior
to
my
even
coming
to
city
council,
and
so
rather
you
would
also
be
willing
to
take
a
moment
and
talk
about
some
of
the
work
that
has
occurred
prior
to
these
most
recent
pieces
of
legislation.
B
Yeah
we
worked
hard
to
pass
back
then
what
was
called
the
jordan
miles
reform
agenda,
which
was
increased
training,
increased
technology
and
increased
transparency,
and
those
and
continuing.
Today
we
passed
a
number
of
police
reform
initiatives,
including
what
was
called
the
pittsburgh
initiative
to
reduce
crime,
which
is
now
called
the
group
violence
initiative
that
has
reduced
violent
crime
in
black
communities.
We've
increased
the
use
of
cameras,
cameras
in
police
cars,
cameras
on
officers
and
cameras
in
the
community.
B
The
maryland
lethality
assessment
model,
which
they
say
is
the
single
biggest
determinant
way
of
of
reducing
a
domestic
rate
of
homicide.
We
relate,
we
stopped
the
domestic
related
homicide
by
50
in
the
first
couple
years
we
implemented
the
model.
Every
police
officer
is
trained
by
it.
We
were
fortunate
enough
to
have
become
one
of
the
first
cities
and
we
helped
to
lead
that
to
bring.
B
We
are
the
first
cities
to
do
the
national
initiative
to
build
community
trust
which
led
to
a
number
of
reforms
like
putting
the
standard
operating
procedures
online
and
to
give
training
in
intentional
bias
and
procedural
justice
and
racial
reconciliation.
And
then,
as
you
know,
together
we've
been
working
on
the
stop
the
violence
initiative.
B
That's
a
steering
committee
based
on
a
variety
of
city
stakeholders
to
work
together
to
provide
community
input
and
community
programming
to
stop
violent
crime
in
the
city
of
pittsburgh,
and
so
we've
really,
I
believe,
let
the
process
combining
effective
social
services
with
smart
community
based
policing
and
that's
why
we've
had
the
lowest
of
incidence
of
violence
over
the
last
in
the
last
five
years
recently,
I
think
it's
been
a
good
conversation,
I'm
a
good
partnership
rather,
but
I
I
guess
I
was
just
thinking
daniel.
You
know,
we've
had
so
much.
B
What's
your
take
on
just
all
the
vi
on
the
national
protest
of
defending
the
police,
what
what's
your
take
on
on
the
impact
of
all
of
that
protesting.
A
So
I
think
it's
having
a
a
very
a
positive
impact.
Actually,
I've
been
encouraged
by
the
people
that
have
been
willing
to
protest
over
the
last
month
and,
if
not
more
at
this
point,
I've
been
really
encouraged
to
see
our
white
brothers
and
sisters
actually
coming
out
and
protesting
even
here
locally
in
pittsburgh,
I've
been
encouraged
by
the
amount
of
young
people
that
have
been
coming
out
and
sort
of
leading
this
charge
because
it
forces
conversations
and
it
forces
us
to
take
action.
A
A
Why
are
black
men
dying
and
it's
just
been
a
very
sort
of
interesting,
tough
at
times
conversation
to
have
even
here
locally,
I
was
asked
to
go
to
freedom
corner
to
speak
at
a
a
rally
that
was
being
held
for
black
men,
and
I
took
my
son
with
me
because
my
wife
was
doing
other
things
with
my
daughter.
A
So
I
took
my
son
and
you
know
it
was
interesting
for
him
to
hear
all
the
different
speakers
and
and
sort
of
try
to
in
his
own
way
understand
it
and
at
some
point
he
after
about
an
hour
of
just
standing
there.
After
one
of
the
speakers,
he
said:
okay,
daddy,
I
get
it,
I
get
it.
We
we
have
to
do
better
and
we
have
to
stop
the
police
from
hurting
us
right
and
that
was
sort
of
his
boiled
down
snippet
of
all
of
what
is
transpiring,
but
it's.
A
But
it's
been
interesting
and
I
think
for
us
and
you
started
when
you
started
talking
about
the
work
prior.
I
think
the
national
protests
have
actually
put
us
in
a
place
in
time
where
we
can
really
really
focus
in
razor
sharp
on
the
work
that
we've
already
been
planning
to
do
anyway.
It's
a
hard
conversation
to
have-
and
many
won't
want
to
hear
it,
but
the
fact
of
the
matter
is
post
jordan,
miles
and
post
other
tragic
incidents
here
within
the
city
over
the
last
10
years.
A
Our
police
force
in
many
respects
has
fundamentally
changed
into
a
more
modern
police
force
until
one
that
does
try
to
understand
implicit
bias.
They
have
they
go
through
that
training,
they've,
adopted
obama's,
modern
day
policing
strategies,
and
so
we
are
a
different
police
force.
But
now
we
really
have
an
opportunity
to
even
go
even
deeper
into
our
police
force
and
do
more
on
the
preventive
side.
A
You
mentioned
that
we're
at
a
five-year
low
for
violent
crime
within
our
city
of
pittsburgh,
and
that's
due
to
the
work
of
the
guests
that
we'll
have
coming
up
shortly,
but
it
it's
to
be
commended-
and
I
think
this
will
this
moment
in
time-
will
now
allow
us
to
really
take
resources
and
put
it
all
towards
preventive
measures
that
really
have
nothing
to
do
with
policing.
B
Yeah,
I
think
I
think
we
have
to
do.
We
have
to
do
preventative
measures.
You
know
such
as
the
group
violence
initiative
and
such
as
putting
social
workers,
but
I'm
really-
and
as
you
know,
we've
talked
personally
about
this.
A
I
couldn't
agree
more
you'll
have
to
forgive
me,
but
when
you
started
speaking,
I
thought
of
a
rap
line,
and
I
am
one
who
grew
up
listening
to
rap,
but
a
rapper
talent,
quality
and
I'll
paraphrase
them
said:
blacks,
don't
smell,
sell
cracks.
They
like
to
see
black
smoke
black
cell
crack
because
they're
broke
that's
sort
of
the
reality
of
what
we're.
A
What
we're
dealing
with
police
are
called
into
our
communities
because
of
the
things
that
poverty
allows,
then
to
happen
because
of
how
people
are
responding
to
despair
and
the
activities
that
flourish.
Because
of
that,
and
so
I
agree
that
investing
in
business
development,
investing
and
rebuilding
our
black
commercial
corridors
investing
in
affordable
housing
all
just
becomes
ever
so
critical,
because
all
of
that
then
provides
a
more
wholesome
environment
to
raise
a
child
in
and
thus
the
not
needing
the
police
to
to
come
as
much.
B
And
I'll
resist
I'll
resist
the
urge
to
talk
to
you
about
my
my
dj
dick
my
dj
days
and
grand
master
flash
and
the
furious
5.
well
anyway,
to
give
us
a
clear
perspective
on
police
reform
and
the
black
community.
We
are
to
have
three
experts
with
us
to
tonight:
reverend
glenn,
grayson,
pastor
of
wesley
center
ame
church
and
ceo
of
the
grayson
center
or
the
center.
That
cares.
We
have
chatera
murphy
assistant,
director
of
pittsburgh,
public
safety
department
and
richard
garland
lecturer
in
the
public
health
department
at
the
university
of
pittsburgh.
A
So
only
because
I'm
looking
at
reverend
grayson
on
one
of
his
fly
rooftops
outside.
A
I'll
ask
him
a
question,
but
it's
really
for
everyone
to
respond
to.
However,
they
so
feel,
but
I
am
curious
of
you
all
and
or
opinions
of
the
defund,
the
police
movement.
D
Well,
first,
I'm
glad
to
be
on
with
y'all.
Today
I
am
not
a
rapper
or
dj
and
I'm
not
an
expert,
so
nevertheless,
I'm
glad
to
join
you
just
the
same.
There's
no
question
that
I
think.
D
Reducing
that
budget,
in
terms
of
realizing
that
there's
plight
and
in
our
in
our
communities
and
how
we
reassess
that.
So
I
think,
if
you
look
at
the
areas
of
where
we're
looking
at
how
to
better
analyze
and
say
how
do
we
fix
this?
I
think
that's
why
the
directions
going
in
and
I'm
ecstatic
to
be
a
part
of
it,
because
it's
such
a
needed
endeavor
in
so
many
ways.
E
I
think
it
would
be
difficult
to
defund
the
police
in
the
in
the
general
term
that
everybody
is
saying,
but
when
we
talk
about
the
way
that
we
are
pleasing
in
the
21st
century
and
then
the
the
public
health
approach
that
we're
taking
to
to
crime
prevention
into
making
things
better
in
our
communities.
E
People
look
back
at
the
bureau
and
they
say
you
know
we
need
a
better
education
in
our
communities.
We
need
access
to
wrecks
and
facilities,
and
things
like
that
and
so
they're
automatically
looking
at
the
biggest
budget,
which
is
our
police
budget
and
saying.
How
can
we
take
some
of
this
money?
Put
it
into
our
communities
to
make
sure
that
we
have
a
safer
and
healthier
communities
for
our
residents
to
live
in
and
that
money
people
are
trying
to
take
from
the
police
budget.
C
No,
I
think
I
work
with
a
segment
of
the
population
in
our
communities,
that
we
need
assistance
and
and
just
the
programs
that
I've
been
able
to
run.
I
went
you
know,
and
I
was
part
of
the
problem
at
one
time.
I
went
to
the
problem
for
the
solution
and
it
helped
uplift.
Many
of
the
men
and
women
that
that
worked
with
me
worked
in
the
community.
C
C
If
we
build
them
up
right,
we
won't
need
policing
as
much
as
we
do
now,
so
I'm
courting
I'm
according
to
conjunction
to
a
degree,
even
when
I'm
sitting
on
this
task
force
when
we
talk
about
use
of
force
and
accountability,
those
things
that
we
have
to
hold
the
police
account
before,
because
they
have
to
be
at
a
higher
level
if
they
gonna
help
us
move
this
agenda.
C
But
I
believe
that
there
are
people
in
the
community
that
we
can.
B
20
years
doing
this
work
together
right
from
back
in
you
know
the
times
I
was
working
at
the
jail
and
you
were
doing
one
vision,
one
life,
I
I
guess
you're
you
and
I
are
you-
know
some
of
the
old-time
workers
in
trying
to
stop
violence,
but
I
just
I'm
curious:
do
you
think
one
vision,
one
life?
I
think
it
was
successful.
I
think
what
do
we
learn?
Do
you
think?
What
do
we
learn
and
does
that?
A
C
When
I
first
came
to
him-
and
I
said
man
I'm
going
to
these
dudes-
I
think
we
can
change,
we
can
change
the
world.
We
can
change
the
world
if
we
give,
if
we
give
them
give
them
some
inspiration,
realizing
that
they
could
change
the
community
because
we
looked
up
to
them.
I
mean
we
went
to
the
dudes
that
was
was
was
hardcore
and
they
said
they
they
signed
on.
You
know,
and
even
now
you
know
we
have
men
and
women.
That's
coming
out
of
these
penitentiary
that
want
to
help
change
the
community.
C
You
know
they
want
to
give
back
and
what
you've
been
fortunate
enough
with
you,
reverend
burgess.
You
know
you
always
believed
in
us.
You
believed
in
in
the
whole
aspect
of
us
changing
community
norms.
I
mean-
and
I
really
didn't
realize,
that
we
were
taking
a
public
health
approach
20
years
ago
when
we
started
one
vision.
One
life,
you
know
when
we
look
at,
we
was
trying
to
change.
Community
norms
was
changing
identities,
one
vision,
one
vision,
one
life
actually
changed
the
identities
of
people
who
used
to
be
part
of
the
problem.
C
C
You
know
one
thing
that
I
I
realized
that
we
we
didn't
do
enough
of
was
training.
You
know
I
should
have
had
more
training
more.
You
know
helping
these
guys,
men
and
women
through
the
fires
that
we
came
through.
I've
been
able
to
build
a
lot
of
relationships
over
the
years.
What's
important
is
sustaining
those
relationships
and
that's
something
that
that
that
actually,
I
learned
some
of
that
from
reverend
grayson
of
you
know
realizing
how
important
relationships
are
and
keeping
those
relationships
enable
us
to
do
a
lot
of
the
different
things
that
we
do.
C
A
Wow,
that's
interesting.
I
I
didn't
know
that
you
actually
were
started
in
grayson
center.
That's
that's
that's
interesting,
given
that
that's
the
case,
if
we
could
at
reverend
grayson,
if
you
could
talk
about
the
work
you're
doing
now
with
group
balance
intervention,
because
some
of
that
one
vision,
one
life,
that
idea
sort
of
now
lives
on
in
a
slightly
new
model,
and
I
also
think
at
some
point.
We
probably
need
to
talk
about
rebranding
that
as
well,
because
you're
doing
more
than
just
group
violence,
intervention.
A
There's
a
lot
of
social
service
work
component
of
this
there's
a
public
health
piece
of
this.
But
if
you
could
talk
about
the
work
that
you're
doing
one
so
that
people
could
understand
in
part
why
we
are
at
a
five-time
look
five-time
year
low
with
violence,
but
also
how
you're
reaching
people,
the
brothers
and
sisters
in
need
of
help.
D
Thank
you.
So,
first
of
all,
thank
you
richard
for
just
kind
of
shaping
the
history,
and
I
appreciate
that
in
a
wonderful
deep
way.
Really
I
didn't
know
richard,
but
mark
turner
brought
the
two
of
us
together.
He
said:
do
you
think
this
marriage
can
work
which
it
has
you
know
the
relationships
and
the
dreams
and
the
hopes
for
transform
for
trans
to
transform
a
community
of
of
of
some
guys
and
ladies
who've
been
out
in
the
street
who's
ready
for
a
change,
and
I
partnered
with
him.
D
I
was
really
just
in
many
ways
the
producer,
but
yet
I
learned
a
lot
from
him
and
part
of
him.
The
biggest
thing
was
like
he
indicated,
relationship,
relationship
relationship
richard
and
his
core
guys
and
young
ladies
had
the
relationships
that
the
police
department
and
the
city
officials
did
not
have
and
20
years
later,
that's
the
sustainability
of
gbi
chaos,
reach
program,
some
of
the
same
relationships
and
some
of
those
same
guys
like
antoine
bailey,
who
leads
our
partnership.
D
He
he
came
out
of
the
relationship
from
richard,
so
the
work
continues,
like
he
birthed
the
truth,
be
told
people
who
transform
their
lives,
who
now
have
relationships
and
connections
to
transform
other
lives
and
right
now
we
now
have
because
of
funding
from
from
both
of
y'all.
We
now
in
in
the
whole
city
council
who
bought
into
the
the
narrative
we
now
have
at
least
seven.
D
You
know
outreach
workers
in
those
various
areas
that
are
hot
spots,
doing
the
work
on
the
ground,
and
now
it's
so
much
that
it
is
now
even
it
overlapped
into
county.
So
that's
a
whole
other
conversation,
but
the
impact
is
relationships
and
connections
and
those
that's
also
those
are
the
transformative
pieces.
The
things
that
police
department
know
they
can't
do.
They
can't
connect
you,
but
they
look
to
us
to
make
those
connections
to
to
defuse.
D
We
have
interrupters,
who
may
still
be
a
little
out
there,
a
bit
but
they're
able
to
get
to
some
of
these
dudes
and
people
and
squash.
Something
and
our
statistics
are
on
homicides
actually
lower.
Because
of
that
impact,
and
so
tara
who
partners
with
us
can
tell
you
best.
D
You
know
every
day
how
we
try
to
impact
and
make
a
difference
and
change
the
narrative
which
leads
into
why
you
know,
cares
work
so
hard
on
a
being
proactive
trying
to
diffuse
on
a
younger
age,
those
some
same
young
people
by
giving
again
opportunities
and
jobs
and
and
a
chance
today,
when
our
five
young
people
that
we
literally
took
to
the
community
kitchen
went
for
their
their
training
to
learn
a
a
skill
that
would
that
will
feed
them
for
life.
It
just
warmed
my
heart,
because
it's
the
that's
the
change
we
have.
D
They
become
stronger,
productive
citizens
with
a
living
wage
to
support
themselves
and
their
families,
and
so
hopefully,
when
they
graduate,
they
will
become
part
of
maybe
my
team
of
the
first
crew
that
will
work
in
the
kids
community
care
cafe,
and
so
that's
the
continued
connecting
of
all
these
pieces
and
that's
kind
of
what
richard
has
been
trying
to
do.
Not
trying
has
been
doing
from
inception
of
making
those
relationships,
connections
and
opportunities.
And
so
when
we
talk
about
you
know,
shifting
funds.
D
B
And,
as
you
know,
I've
been
we've
done
this
on
a
shoestring
budget
right.
We
have
guys
that
are
doing
this
part
time.
I'm
a
big
fan
advocate
that
we
need
full-time
outreach
workers
because
the
work
is
24
hours
and
they
need
to
be
freed
up
to
be
able
to
go
to
a
place
when
something
is
wrong
or
even
doing
the
preventative
work,
and
so
I
will
be
advocating
and
pushing
that
we,
you
know,
we
know
this
works,
let's
invest
in
it.
B
Our
money
is
in
the
city,
our
our
budgets
and
our
spending
is
a
sign
of
our
our
priority,
and
if
saving
black
lives
is
a
priority,
then
we
will
fully
fund
this
summative
initiative
a
share.
What
do
you
think
you're
from
from
public
safety
perspective,
having
these
programs
having
these
social
service
programs
like
social
workers
embedded
with
police
officers,
group
violence,
initiative,
diversion
programs?
E
Do
you
think
that
they
are
going
to
be
effective?
I
meant
that
especially
gvi
has
already
proven
itself
to
be
affected.
You
all
touched
upon
the
stats
several
times
since
we've
been
together
this
evening.
Are
we
again
tapping
into
that
public
approach
to
gun
violence,
violence,
prevention?
E
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
changing
behaviors
in
the
community
without
the
impact
and
without
the
threat
of
law
enforcement.
So,
as
reverend
grayson
was
talking
about
making
sure
that
there's
access
to
food,
making
sure
that
there's
access
to
resources
making
sure
that
there's
access
to
employment,
the
list
goes
on.
All
of
these
things
need
to
be
embedded
and
incorporated
and
brought
into
our
communities
so
that
we
reduce
that
risk
of
contact
with
law
enforcement,
and
so
that's
what
this
is
all
about.
E
We
do
need
to
expand
this
city-wide
we've
had
those
conversations
internally
now
we're
having
them
publicly
just
about
how
effective
we
could
be
if
we
were
to
expand
this
and
then
especially
looking
into
our
diversion
program.
So
we
have
a
behavioral
health
program
that
we're
now
working
on
we're
having
social
workers
out
with
our
officers.
We
do
a
lot
of
things
in
the
space
of
of
overdose
and
making
sure
that
you
know
we're
just
taking
care
of
things
in
that
area.
E
So
we
do
a
lot
of
behavioral
behavioral
health
and
public
health
things
within
public
safety.
Our
officers
are
not
equipped
to
do
that,
that's
not
in
their
training,
and
nor
did
they
sign
up
to
be
police
officers.
To
do
that.
So
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
equip
them
with
the
resources
and
the
people
and
whatever
programs
that
are
associated
with
that,
so
that
they
can
do
their
jobs
better
and
take
care
of
some
of
these
situations
that
they
encounter
that
are
not
necessarily
crime
related.
A
So
then
shatira,
I
have
two
questions
for
you.
Then
I
guess
one
is
from
a
budgetary
standpoint,
because
I
agree
with
reverend
burgess.
This
has
been
a
shoestring
budget
and
we
need
to
fund
it
at
full
scale
and
capacity
to
do
citywide.
So
I'm
just
curious
your
thoughts
on
what
that
would
look
like
from
a
citywide
budgetary
impact.
As
you
know,
we
will
soon
be
going
into
our
budget
session
this
year
for
city
council,
and
I
believe
this
should
be
a
prioritized
priority.
E
If
we
are
going
to
expand
this
and
I'll
talk
about
just
people
first
and
then
program
cost
second
to
expand
a
gbi
and
that's
to
have
social
workers
or
social
or
crisis
intervention
specialists,
social
service
coordinators,
elite
program
coordinator
enough
outreach
workers
enough
and
enough
interrupters
to
expand
that
citywide,
meaning
that
we
have
bodies
in
every
single
police
zone.
There
are
six
zones,
that's
about
1.7
million
dollars
now
to
get
into
programming
costs
for
all
six
zones,
we're
looking
at
anywhere
between
100
to
150,
000
and
additional.
A
C
Question
so
and
I'd
be
remiss
if
I
didn't,
if
I
didn't
say
anything,
you
know
since
now,
I'm
at
the
graduate
school
of
public
health.
You
know
I
pay
attention
to
the
numbers.
You
know.
In
the
last
couple
years
the
county
has
led
in
homicides,
so
we've
been
really
doing
good
work
and
I
know
reverend
burgess
and
actually
you
you
as
well
councilman
lavelle.
That
you've
heard
me
talk
about
that.
We
have
to
do
this
county-wide.
C
It
can't
be
done
because
now
we
have
more
homicides
in
allegheny
county
right
now,
and
even
though
that
they're
trying
to
start
different
things
there
and
we
have
to
look
at
allegheny
and
pittsburgh
the
same
and
those
resources
are
needed.
That
was
one
of
the
the
the
things
that
always
hampered
me
at
one
vision.
One
life
was
that
I
couldn't.
I
couldn't
pay
a
guy,
the
type
of
money
that
he
needed
to
really
live
on.
C
You
know,
because
you
know
I
was
giving
dudes
only
a
thousand
dollars
a
month,
some
of
them
when
they
when
I
first
started
one
vision
and
they
was
doing
it
out
of
their
heart,
but
you
know
that
they
needed.
You
know
they
wanted
to
do
this
full-time,
but
they
had
to
go
and
get
other
people
had
to
go,
get
other
jobs,
and
things
like
that.
So
I
really
appreciate
hearing
you:
should
tear
and
and
councilman
lavelle
talk
about
paying
people
for
this.
C
You
know
because
it
is
a
full-time
job
being
on
call
for
24
7.
That
is
something
that
outreach
workers
are
and
and
the
interrupters
even
I'm
watching.
My
gunshot
wound
victims
that
I
see
in
in
the
trauma
units
more
and
more
gunshot
wound.
Victims
are
happening
in
the
county
in
the
county
community.
So
you
you
need
to
pay
attention
to
some
of
those
things,
but
I
appreciate
y'all
too
doing
this,
but
I
I
will
be
remiss
if
I
didn't
bring
that
up.
E
So
the
county
does
have
the
office
of
violence
prevention
and
we've
been
partnering
with
them
resource
wise,
so
anything
that
we
have
trainings
and
things
like
that.
We
offer
that
to
the
office
of
violence
prevention
at
the
county
house.
That
office
is
run
by
ross
watson.
I
know
that
they
are
doing
pure
violence,
but
only
in
wilkinsburg
and
that's.
E
Budget
restrictions
they
were
able
to
get
some
grant
money
to
start
that.
But
I
do
agree
with
you,
professor
garland.
We
do
need
to
focus
on
some
things
that
are
on
the
county
and
I
hope
that
the
county
will
join
us
at
some
point
in
this
conversation
and
how
we
can
be
more
collaborative
because
we've
seen
you
know
the
influx
of
violence,
how
it
flows
through
you
know
the
mckees
rocks
into
the
west
end
weaves
in
and
out
of
wilkinsburg
and
penn
hills
rankin
in
switzerland
area.
So.
E
Connected
it's
just
we're
working
at
a
two
different
resource
pots.
If
you
will
right.
A
So
if
I
could
make
one
follow
a
question
to
that
chatera
you
mentioned
the
county
has
an
office
of
violence
prevention.
The
city
does
not.
However,
we
have
a
lot.
We
have
a
number
of
violence
prevention
initiatives
would
make
sense
within
our
public
safety
department
to
actually
create
one
singular
office
of
violence
prevention
that
could
then
coordinate
all
these
various
initiatives.
E
I
think
that
would
be
an
excellent
idea.
I
think
it's
needed
and
it's
necessary
because
we
have
so
many
violence,
prevention,
violence
reduction,
all
of
those
related
initiatives
and
they're
all
housed
in
different
places.
So
we
have
some
within
the
bureau
of
police.
We
have
some
on
the
public
safety
admin
side
some
pieces
in
the
mayor's
office,
you
all
in
council.
E
You
know
you
have
your
parts
in
this
piece
as
well,
and
so,
if
we
could
nestle
that
all
into
one
office,
I
think
we
could
do
a
better
job
of
actually
tracking
the
initiatives
seeing
how
effective
they
are.
We
do
a
better
job
at
evaluating
ourselves
and
reassessing
strategies
when
needed.
If
we
had
everything
in
one
place,.
B
Yeah
when
we
first
brought
this
initiative
to
the
city,
I
think
the
first
funding
was
something
like
three
hundred
thousand
dollars,
and
you
know
the
police
budget
is,
you
know
150
million
dollars
a
year
or
something
like
that,
and
when
we
first
started
having
this
conversation,
other
council
people
would
drill
down
to
really
be.
I
thought
petty
about
this
little
bit
of
money.
B
I
have
never
seen
I've
been
on
council
now,
I'm
in
my
13th
year
I
have
not
seen
one
budget
request
by
public
safety
or
the
pittsburgh
public
pittsburgh
police
department
ever
refused.
In
fact,
we
have
council
people
who
will
argue
that
what
we
need
is
more
officers
which
actually
means
more
white
officers,
because
we
disproportionately
hire
white
people
and
and
that's
a
whole
different
conversation.
B
But
in
my
mind-
and
I
said
that,
then
what
is
the
value
of
a
black
life
right?
We
know
this
program
will
stop
black
lives
from
being
lost,
but
in
many
people
those
lives
are
not
worth
the
money
right.
They'll
spend
hundreds
of
millions
of
dollars
to
add
more
police
officers
or
give
them
more
equipment,
but
they
won't.
They
don't
want
to
spend
the
money
on
preventative
programs
that
keep
black
lives
alive,
and
so
that's
I
don't
get
on
my
soapbox,
but
that's
that's
something
I've.
You
know.
B
I've
argued
over
the
years
that
we
have
to
put
money
in
into
in
prevention
and
I'm
grateful
for
the
activists
and
their
work
in
pittsburgh
across
the
country,
because
I
think
now
we're
really
having
that
serious
conversation,
reverend
grayson.
You
were
part
of
a
group
of
pastors
who
sent
a
letter
to
the
mayor
into
the
to
the
city
asking
for
various
reforms.
Talk
about
those
requests
that
they've
been
made.
D
So
I
believe
that
the
mayor
and
the
county
executive
received
several
proposals
and
from
faith-based
from
other
organizations-
and
I
think
overall,
give
or
take
they
all
mirror
each
other.
So
if
you
all
call,
I
think
we
all
see
the
same
for
some.
We
all
see
the
same
issues
that
are
real
in
terms
of
how
we
can
take
funds
and
and
reallocate
in
a
way
that
will
indeed,
we
believe,
save
black
lives
and
that's
the
bottom
line.
D
I
think
the
death
of
george
floyd,
where
we
were
all
kind
of
quarantined
and
forced
to
watch
a
black
man
die
for
nine
minutes
in
front
of
our
faces,
gave
birth
to
another
level
of
this
movement
that
black
lives
matter,
which
caused
a
lot
of
hearts
to
finally
melt
for
the
first
time
for
people
to
see
some
level
of
yeah.
This
is
crazy.
I
it
is
real,
it
is
different.
I
know,
we've
been
singing
a
scenario
all
lives
matter,
but
this
is,
I
can
unders.
D
I
can
finally
understand
what
african-americans
and
people
ron
brown
and
black
have
been
talking
about,
because
I
I
can.
I
can
for
the
first
time,
feel
it
I'm
saying
all
to
say
that
if
we
look
at
the
list
of
demands
that
were
sent
in
probably
from
a
number
of
entities
from
folks
in
the
movement
to
the
faith
base,
they
all
list
education.
They
all
list
support
of
after
school
program.
D
They
all
list
better,
just
opportunities,
and
so
I
think
that,
because
you
have
such
and
you
like
history
or
you
like
to
be
able
to
analyze,
you
have
such
a
con,
a
concise
list
of
give
or
take
consistent
demands
or
requests.
It's
a
better
word.
D
It
shouldn't
be
hard
to
figure
out
how
we,
as
we
have
on
behalf
of
us,
the
most
livable
city
for
not
all
and
and
it's
it's
crazy-
that
we
can
still
make
a
list
as
the
most
livable
city
in
terms
of
of
coming
here
in
terms
of
of
home
values
in
terms
of.
But
yet
you
know,
we
still
struggle
so
much
as
the
african-american
community,
and
so
we
really
need
to
dig
into
those
requests
or
collectively
the
panel.
E
We
talk
about
taking
those
funds
and
you
know
those
dollars
and
reinvesting
them
in
the
community.
I
agree
with
professor
garland.
In
some
sense
you
know
I
am
kind
of
torn
because
I
know
how
much
it
costs
to
effectively
run
the
bureau.
The
cost
of
training
is
ridiculous,
and
it's
only
because
we
go
above
and
beyond
the
state
minimum,
so
you
can't
become
a
pittsburgh
police
officer
in
a
week
like
you
can
go
to
some
other
departments
within
the
county.
You
can
train
for
a
week
and
now
you're
a
police
officer.
E
The
expectations
are
different.
Their
training,
the
training
requirements,
are
different.
We
are
well
above
the
state
minimum
on
what
we
require
of
our
officers
technology.
We
all
know
how
much
technology
cost
from
our
body-worn
cameras
to
the
shot,
spotter
technology
to
making
sure
that
we
enhance
and
improve
that
technology.
E
You
know
when
we
have
the
opportunity
to
do
so,
and
I
believe
that
everyone
will
agree
that
we
need
those
body-worn
cameras,
and
so
when
we
are
talking
about
you
know
looking
at
the
police
budget,
what
things
specifically
are
we
looking
at?
There
is
the
office
of
community
engagement
where
we
need
staff.
You
know
in
that
office.
They
do
a
lot
of
work
in
our
community
a
lot
of
good
work
in
our
community.
E
I
feel
like
we
don't
do
a
good
enough
job
of
telling
the
story
of
our
officers,
who
are
out
there
actually
doing
the
good
work
and
our
admin
staff
that
support
them.
But
there
are
some
pieces
of
that
police
budget
that
need
to
remain
in
order
for
us
to
stay
above
that
state
minimum,
because
then
we
will
be
evaluated
and
assessed
similar
to
some
of
the
other
police
departments
and
the
municipal
municipalities
in
townships
around
here.
D
One
first
shift
going
off
and
coming
back
in
second
shift
coming
on,
and
I
don't
want
to
really
deal
right
now.
It's
diversity
as
an
issue,
but
on
first
shift
there
was
one
african-american
male
who
was
part
of
first
ship
at
a
predominantly
black
zone
and
and
one
female,
and
on
second
shift
there
were
two
hispanics
and
two
females
on
second
shift
and
we
have
to
deal
with
diversity
because
diversity
plays
a
major.
D
So
I'm
not
saying
we
don't
need
the
most
trained
police
officers
as
as
ever,
but
we
have
to
just
in
diversity
a
balance
of
diversity.
That's
that's
a
training,
that's
not
on
paper.
That's
a
training
that
you
can't
learn
in
in
school.
It's
a
it's
a
when
you
ride
with
a.
I
believe
I
believe,
if
you
ride
with
an
officer
of
a
different
color,
different
sex,
a
different
background,
you
both
of
you
grow,
and
that
has
to
happen
without
a
sense
of
decree
that
needs
to
happen.
The
diversity
is
it's.
D
You
know
because
we
talk
we,
we
our
language,
is
sometime
different,
we're
not
sometimes
we
move
with
our
hands
and
we're
not.
That
means
I
don't
have
a
gun.
It
means
that
I'm
very
you
know
I'm
I'm.
I
speak
with
my
hands
at
the
same
time,
that's
kind
of
my
culture
who
I
am,
and
so
it's
just
little
things
that
pile
up,
and
I
just
think
you
know
if,
if
not
not,
I
think
we
can
find
a
way
to
divert
enough
to
build
some
other
areas,
as
well
as
being
intentional
about
the
next
class.
E
I
do
want
to
put
something
out
there.
I
don't
know
if
I'll
get
in
trouble
for
this.
I
guess
we'll
we'll
figure
that
out
tomorrow
or
tonight,
but
we
have
a
lot
of
most
of
our
black
officers
will
be
retiring
soon
I
mean
they're
eligible.
Let
me
correct.
E
I'm
eligible
for
retirement
soon,
and
so
with
us
stopping
some
training
classes.
You
know,
obviously
we
won't
be
having
any
more
diverse
candidates
coming
in
for
some
time,
and
so
you
know
to
my
director
director
historic's
credit.
He
has
been
working
on
ways
to
get
rid
of
some
of
those
barriers
that
may
have
stopped
some
diverse
candidates
from
being
able
to
come
and
be
a
part
of
be
a
police
officer
with
the
pittsburgh
bureau
of
police.
E
But
we
do
need
to
look
at
diversity
and
we
need
to
look
at
how
everything
that
we
are
putting
on
the
table
today
saying
we
need
to
change
this
about
the
bureau
and
that
about
the
bureau.
What
are
the
long-term
and
the
short-term
effects
of
that
and
then
making
sure
that
we
have
some
strategies
in
place
so
that
we
don't
go
backwards.
B
Let
me
first
of
all,
as
you
know
I
am
I
am-
I
work
closely
with
chief
schubert
and
director
his
rich,
and
they
are
great
men
of
integrity
and
honor.
I
have
the
highest
amount
of
confidence
in
them
and
their
leadership.
They
have
transformed
the
pittsburgh
borough
police
since
I've
been
on
council,
and
this
is
the
best
police
force
that
we've
had
since
I've
been
in
office.
However,
the
truth
of
it
is
90
of
the
money
in
public
safety
goes
to
salaries.
B
If
we're
serious
about
reallocating
money,
there's
only
one
way
to
do
it,
and
that
is
by
not
hiring
new
officers.
I
don't
believe.
I
believe
that
the
pittsburgh
officer
should
be
higher
paid.
I've
said
that
before
I
think,
if
you
put
your
life
on
the
line,
you
need
to
be
compensated,
and
so
I'm
I'm
in
favor
of
even
higher
salaries,
but
I
think
simply
having
more
officers
does
not
make
us
safe
the
only
way,
and
we
can't
fire
officers
because
of
state
law
and
because
of
the
collective
boarding
agreement.
B
The
only
way
that
we
can
seriously
reduce
the
budget
of
police
there
is
no
other
way
is
to
stop
hiring
new
officers
and
because
we
know
officers
retire,
we
will
over
just
a
few
years
to
a
right
sizing,
and
so
I
think
we
need
to
think
think
about
re
resizing
the
police,
which
means
less
officers,
certainly
highly
trained,
hopefully
even
better
paid,
but
we
need
less
officers
and
more
social
service
programming
and
the
only
way
we
can
do
that
is
by
not
once
you
hire
a
new
officer,
you're
committing
a
hundred
hundred
and
twenty
thousand
dollars
a
year
when
you
take
in
training
and
benefits,
and
so
I
am
I'm
a
fan
of
reducing
the
the
total
number
of
police
officers.
D
D
If
we
again,
I
just
talked
about
a
shift
where
now
at
that
that
particular
shift
those
who
aren't
leaving
one
african-american
male
and
one
one
female
second
shift
was
two
hispanic
or
asian
officers
and
two
females
we
gotta,
diversify
the
before
we
stop
hiring.
We
have
to
do
some,
and
I
know
it's
not.
We
have
to
do
some
diversity
balance,
or
else
it's
gonna.
It
does
play
a
role
in
the
bigger
picture.
That's
just
mine.
C
C
You
know
today
we
asked
the
middle
school
kid
about
being.
You
know
what
do
they
want
to
do
when
they
grow
up
they're,
not
saying
to
be
a
police
officer?
You
know
how
many,
how
many
african-americans
are
really
applying
to
go
into
the
police
force
right
now.
You
know-
and
I
know
over
the
years
that
I've
been
working,
that
they
even
came
to
us
with
applications
for
people.
C
They
were
looking
to
try
to
hire
more
african-americans
on
the
on
the
police
force.
Many
african-americans
are
not
coming
to
take
that
job
as
a
police
officer.
Now,
that's
an
issue,
that's
a
true
issue,
you
know!
So
what
do
we
do?
What
do
we
do
about
it?
You
know
we.
We
still
have
to
do
a
lot
of
you
know,
opening
you
have
events
where
you
know
people
come
to
the
become
police
officers.
C
Things
like
that.
I
agree
with
judo,
also
reverend
burgess.
When
you
talk
about
scaling
it
down
since
people
are
retiring,
I
would
love
to
see
more
african-american
and
latino
police
officers
on
the
force,
both
men
and
women.
C
You
know
who
can
you
know
who
can
go
into
the
community
when
we
talk
about
this
de-escalation,
just
because
of
the
color
of
their
skin
ethnicity,
you
know
they
can
they
can
de-escalate
some
situations,
that
a
white
officer
can
you
know
so
diversity
is,
is
a
huge
issue
when
it
comes
to
this
police
force
and
even
some
of
the
outline
in
the
outlining
communities,
but
there's
not
a
whole
lot
of
folks
african-american.
B
Thank
you
very
much.
It
seems
that
we've
had
we
have
some
questions
from
our
viewers
who
are
in
our
town,
hall
participants
and
so
we're
going
to
go
to.
We
have
micah
campbell
smith,
who
is
the
person
who
is
coordinating
this
town
hall
meeting
and
the
all
the
ones
we've
been
doing
and
micah?
Is
there
some
questions
that
have
come
from
the
facebook
live
page
or
from
our
email.
F
Yes,
we've
had
a
few
questions.
This
session,
the
first
benita
asked
how
is
pittsburgh
allocating
and
welcoming
criminal
justice
opportunities
to
young
black
males
and
females
to
become
the
president,
politicians,
judges,
lawyers,
police
officers,
corrections
and
medical
service
workers
instead
of
being
the
victims?
If
white
males
can
become
police
officers,
so
can
blackmail?
E
We
do
have
the
cte
training
program
in
westinghouse,
where
you
can
get
trained
on
different
things:
fire,
police
and
ems
related.
So
we
are
incorporating
that
in
curriculum
within
pittsburgh,
public
schools,
so
that
we
can
make
sure
that
that
exposure
is
there.
B
That
does
a
lot
of
things
to
welcome
diversity,
but,
to
be
honest
with
you,
it's
going
to
take
change
all
across
our
city
right,
the
institutions,
the
city
we're
all
going
to
have
to
make
young
black
people
feel
that
they
count
and
again
the
way
you
do
that
is
by
investing
in
them.
So
the
communities
they
live
in.
Don't
look
like
you
know,
third
world
countries
that
the
amenities
you
know
it's.
It's
a
shame
that
in
many
of
our
black
communities
there
are
no
drug
stores.
There
are
no
grocery
stores.
B
There
are
no
real
food
stores,
there's
no
shoe
stores,
you
know
it.
It
we've
allowed
because
of
institutional
racism.
We've
allowed
these
communities
to
become
you,
know,
isolated
communities
of
of
of
of
poverty,
of
crime
and
of
hopelessness
and-
and
I
I
really
believe,
if
we're
serious
about
making
young
people
feel
that
they
count,
then
let's
go
and
change
their
communities,
their
schools,
let's
give
them
recreation
all
the
services,
amenities
that
they
and
their
families
deserve.
E
There's
also
a
lack
of
civic
education,
people
don't
know
what
it
takes
to
become
elected
official.
They
don't
even
know
what
elected
officials
do,
and
you
know
there
are
some
community
groups
that
pride
themselves
on
you
know
educating
the
community
on
their
civic
rights,
what
their
elected
officials
do.
What
does
it
mean
to
vote?
How
do
you
become
an
elected
official
things
of
that
nature,
but
that
is
missing
from
the
curriculum,
so
our
kids
don't
even
know
what
they
can
become
because
they're
not
exposed
to
that
information
anymore.
E
The
career
days
have
been
removed.
So
it's
not
even
like
you
know
you
all
or
our
police
fire
ems
folks,
our
mayors
or
other
elected
officials
can
come
back
into
the
schools
like
they
used
to
and
give
these
kids
an
idea
of
what
they
can
become
we've
in
a
sense
and
the
education
system
has
has
failed
our
kids
and
I'm
not
going
to
go
on
my
tangent
about
that.
E
But
you
know
when
the
question
is
stated:
how
do
these
these
kids
know
that
they
can
become
these
things
and
how
do
they
become
these
things
we
have
to?
Let
them
know.
D
And
that's
why
after
school
programs
are
important,
so
if
it's
missing
in
the
school
system
it's
missing
and
a
and
the
system
is
a
city,
it's
our
responsibility
like
they
did
in
the
old
days.
In
the
basement
of
churches,
we
became
the
educator
of
our
people
and
we
learned-
and
so
not
just
mine,
but
there's
so
many
who
are
doing
just
that
that
exposure,
because
they
don't
see
it
firsthand
and
that's
one
reason
why
you
know
they
have
a
distaste
for
cops
because
they've
had
such
bad
experiences.
D
So
it's
hard
again
sometime
to
to
sell
that,
but
I
think
we
still
can
tell
a
story
because
we
have
a
young
lady
from
my
program.
Who's
finished
for
60
hours,
at
least
at
lincoln
she's
wanted
she
wants
to
be
a
police
officer,
and
so
I
went
online.
We
grabbed
the
book
for
her,
so
she's
studying.
D
So,
if
the,
if
the
object
opens
again,
she
can
jump
right
into
it,
and
so
those
are
examples
of
we
try
to
find
find
you
where
you
are
and
encourage
you
to
get
to
your
next
level
and
whatever
it
takes.
So
if
you
say
I
want
to
be
an
engineer,
I
just
don't
hold
a
word.
I
will
help
you
do
the
research
to
say.
Okay,
this
is
what
it
takes
a
four-year
degree.
Then
it
takes
a
massive
graduate
degree
and
so
forth.
So
it's
more
than
the
talk.
D
B
F
B
C
I
actually
starting
a
re-entry
project
for
men
and
women
coming
out
of
the
state
penitentiaries
we
doing
an
apprenticeship
readiness
training
with
it's
gonna,
be
a
six-week
course,
but
we
also
have
other
partners.
We
have
big
well
who
people
who
are
interested
in
culinary,
and
we
have
upmc
folks
who
are
interested
in
culinary
and
environmental
stuff.
We
have
max
that's
a
manufacturing
assistance
center
out
in
7,
800
susquehanna,
that's
green
construction,
and
then
I
have
operation
better
block
which
is
helping
with
housing.
C
So
there
are
opportunities,
there's
a
there's,
a
couple,
other
programs
that
that
I
know
the
foundation
of
hope.
That's
a
diversion
program
where
they're
working
with
juveniles
right
now
trying
to
divert
them
out
of
the
criminal
justice
system.
I
know
kathy
elliott,
who's,
doing
gwen's
girls,
she's
working
with
young.
Ladies
and,
of
course,
what
reverend
grayson
is
doing
and
the
group
there's
that
you
know
many
guys,
many
guys
coming
out
of
the
penitentiary
they
they
have
to
be
kind
of
patient.
C
You
know
this
instant
gratification,
nothing's
going
to
come
overnight.
They
had
to
they
had
to
work
at
this.
You
know
I've
been
fortunate
since
I've
been
here
in
pittsburgh
that
I
came
out
of
the
penitentiary
and
and
was
able
to
get
in
the
positions
that
I've
been
in
and
me
even
being
at
the
university
right
now.
It's
it's
been
a
long
road,
but
this
is
something
this
reentry
project
is
something
that
I've
been
wanting
to
do,
since
I
stepped
out
of
the
penitentiary,
was
always
to
reach
back
into
the
penitentiary.
For
guys.
C
I
believe
that
we
can
change
the
narrative
we
can.
We
can
change
society
and
the
way
they
look
at
formerly
incarcerated.
Folks,
and
I
I
think
that
there's
a
lot
of
opportunities,
there's
a
lot
of
different
groups,
a
car,
united
states
and
these
officers
trying
to
do
some
things,
goodwill.
C
So
there's
there's
quite
a
few
different
organizations
out
here.
That's
doing
some
some
good
stuff,
but
we
have
to
we
have
to.
We
have
to
go,
look
for
it
and
we
have
to
you
know,
embed
ourselves
in
the
process.
Be
part
of
the
be
part
of
the
solution.
C
F
Professor
garland,
there
is
a
follow-up
question,
a
few
follow-up
questions:
how
do
people
with
criminal
convictions
get
this
information?
Are
they
given
this
info,
just
as
they
are
released,
and
just
some
follow-ups
a
little
bit
more
information
about
the
housing
place
and
yeah
yeah?
That
was
all
for
professor
garland.
C
So
we
have
been
going
into
the
we
just
did
a
presentation
over
at
renewable
and
gateway
bridal
we're
looking
to
do
some
more
in
other
renewal
centers
to
talk
to
the
men
that
are
already
home.
We
originally
wanted
to
start
in
the
penitentiary
before
guys
came
home,
but
we
are
in
contact
with
the
doc
right
now
hoping
to
go
into
the
other
renewals
and
I'm
also
in
contact
with
parole.
C
Hopefully
their
parole
officers
will
get
them
the
information
we
just
sent
them
packets
and
your
second
question
was.
F
Sister,
they
were
asking
for
more
about
the
housing.
C
The
housing
is,
obb
has
invested
in
some
houses
in
homewood
that
we
can
hopefully
help
men
and
women
who
are
coming
home
if
they
don't,
if
they
can't,
especially
if
they
can't
go
into
a
housing
community,
because
if
you
have
a
felony,
you
can't
go
back
into
the
housing
community,
although
they
have
light
in
that.
But
you
have
to
go
through
the
appeal
process
and
it
depends
on
how
long
ago
the
event
happened
that
people
can't
get
into
a
housing
community
if
that's
where
their
loved
ones
are.
C
But
there
are
different
housing
programs
actually
through
the
department
of
human
services.
I
can
give
you
my
information
or
you
can
give
them
my
information.
C
C
I
I
will
we
are
actually
developing
a
website
at
pic.
My
my
the
program
is
called
reimagining,
reentry,
okay
and
it's
and
I
I
will
get
you
know
what
I
will
get
it
to
you
and
others
yeah,
we'll.
B
Play
we'll
post
it
on
our
face,
we'll
put
it
up,
we'll
put
it
on
the
on
the
black
pittsburgh
matters.
Facebook
page
great.
F
Okay,
got
it
and
reverend
grayson.
There
was
another
question
asking:
how
can
we
get
information
to
the
school
and
which
church
is
offering
these
sorts
of
programs
that
you
were
discussing
earlier.
D
So
I
speak
mostly
of
wesley
center,
which
has
been
on
the
forefront
for
for
decades
way
before
reverend
grayson.
But
again
we
have
the
senate
case
program.
That's
been
active
for
over
21
years
again
and
just
meeting
our
young
people
where
they
are
and
trying
to
take
them
to
the
next
level.
We've
got,
we
do
college
tours.
We
do
college
track,
we've
taken
them
to
six
five
different
countries
in
terms
of
exposure.
D
We
during
covert
19.
We
are
a
hands-on
organization.
We
had
five
young
for
three
schools,
we
had
african-american
kids,
we
had
to
go
back
and
pick
up
because
they
didn't
have
funds
to
get
back.
Get
them
back
here,
wanted
to
a
homeless,
find
homes
for
them.
So
those
are
kind
of
things.
We
do
we're
ecstatic
now
about
the
proposal
that
will
be
official
tomorrow
of
opening
up
a
coffee
shop
for
social
entrepreneurship,
and
so
we're
excited
about
that
and
again
we
look
at
some
of
the
voids.
D
D
Coming
online
by
next
year,
and
so
we're
conscious
on
because
we're
on
the
ground
of
how
we
make
a
difference,
we
had
a
phenomenal
a
safe
summer
with
a
summer
program.
We
did
two
different,
unique
things.
We
had
a
group
of
kids
on
entrepreneurship,
where
they
started
a
business
while
their
six-week
training
and
they
sold
their
business
and
their
ideas
for
the
last
week
and
they
sold
out
of
their
different
businesses
established
as
well
as
the
most
exciting
piece.
D
Is
we
trained
a
group
of
15
young
people
as
gen
tech
technicians,
so
they
were
trained
with
technology
to
slow
down
and
help
mom,
grandma,
auntie
and
lady
next
down
the
block,
navigate
just
some
level
of
technology
to
survive
right
now,
in
order
to
get
a
haircut
even
at
my
local
barber
shop,
you
have
to
go
online
and
if
you
don't
have
to
go
online
to
register
to
to
log
in
for
a
hiccup,
you
can't
get
a
haircut
and
so
simple.
D
It
seems
it
may
sound
simple,
but
it's
the
way
it
is
the
world,
and
so
we
we
try
to
be
conscious
of
that
at
the
senator
cares,
and
so
we're
excited
that.
We
hope
that
gen
tech
mobile
will
actually
go
throughout
the
community
and
so
we're
not
the
only
one
doing
those
things,
but
we're
proud
that
we're
conscious
of
some
of
the
needs.
We,
we
do
good
assessment
of
what's
needed.
We're
really
partnering
with
the
back
to
relationship
with
little
league
football
teams
with
gvi
with
some
on
the
ground.
D
F
Thank
you,
and
I
think
there
were
there-
are
a
few
more
questions.
They're
pouring
in
we
have
a
few
questions
about
people
coming
home
with
colorful
backgrounds.
Someone
has
said
that
there
are
four
places.
Women
with
colorful
backgrounds
can
go
to
get
job
interview
clothing.
How
can
funding
go
into
places
for
men
with
colorful
backgrounds
to
get
assistance
for
job
interview
pro
clothing
and
they
were
also
wondering
what
happens
to
the
fees
and
fines
for
people
coming
home
with
colorful
backgrounds?
C
Communities
you
know,
I
think,
that
there's
a
there's,
a
fund
that
might
be
at
the
pittsburgh
foundation
or
through
travelers
aid
that
that
might
have
something
to
do
with
helping
with
fines.
I
know
representative
gainey
and
jake
wheatley.
They
were
doing
something
with
penndot,
helping
with
penndot
helping
get
something
those
fines.
C
What's
the
word,
I'm
looking
for
the
expungement
workshop
yeah,
they
did
fundamental
workshops
and
they
also
did
where
that
they
released
some
of
the
fines
that
some
people
might
have
that
might
be
holding
them
up.
You
know
none
of
this
stuff
that
I'm
talking
about,
happens
overnight
and
see
that's
one
of
the
things
that
a
lot
of
men
and
women
don't
realize.
They
think
that
it
has
to
happen
just
like
that.
It's
not
they
have
to
put
in
work
in
order
to
to
get
this
done.
C
There's
bread
and
butter
licenses
for
people
that
they
can
get
a
better
butter
license
that
they
can
go
back
and
forth
to
work.
There's
traversing
helps
out
with
getting
a
a
hoop
deep.
You
know
if
you
need
a
hoodie
to
get
to
work,
but
it's
something
that
you
have
to
apply
for.
You
have
to
apply
yourself
and
go
to
these
these
programs.
C
You
know
a
lot
of
people
when
they
get
out
as
soon
as
one
door
shut
in
their
face.
You
know
they
give
up.
You
know,
and
I
always
use
used
references
that
when
he
was
in
the
game,
when
you
either
went
over
top
of
it
around
it
or
threw
it
to
get
something
done,
they
have
to
have
the
same
kind
of
initiative
going
into
a
job
going
after
getting
getting
things
so
that
they
can
get
on
the
right
track.
You
know,
and
I
understand,
there's
a
lot
of
thoughts.
C
That's
been
shut,
my
face
when
I
first
came
home
you
know,
but
I
was
fortunate
enough
that
that
people
believed
in
me-
and
I
came
during
the
time
that
I
kept
at
it
and
that's
what
they
had
to
do-
they
had
to
they
had
to
go
at
it
with
that
same
tenacity,
nobody's
gonna,
give
them
anything
you
know,
and
that
you
know
I'm
just
being.
I
know
that's
being
kind
of
blunt,
but
that's
what
that's
what
the
world
that
we
live.
C
A
One
of
the
other
places
I
would
recommend
one
of
our
colleagues
dewitt
walton
one
runs
the
a
phillip
randolph
institute
and
they
will
often
work
with
a
lot
of
ex-offenders,
a
lot
of
individuals
who
have
colorful
backgrounds
and
they
will
provide
those
stipends
to
provide
them
training
and
they
will
help
with
food
and
and
also
access
the
resources
that
mr
garland
is
speaking
towards.
So
I
would
also
recommend
looking
into
that
program.
Yep.
D
Again,
the
grayson
foundation
does
a
tie
for
every
guy
each
year,
but
we
also
throughout
the
year,
have
ties
and
shirts
and
suits
that
we,
you
know
during
that
event
and
throughout
the
year
that
we
try
to
keep
in
stock.
And
so
there
are,
you
know,
not
every
door,
a
lot
of
doors
again
like
richard
said.
If
you
keep
on
knocking
one
will
open
and-
and
you
have
to
be
persistent
and
insistent,
and
but
we
there
are
a
lot
of
entities
who
are
you
know
on
a
low
string?
String
budget
tries
to
do
their
part.
D
A
lot
of
churches
again
go
second
miles.
The
second
mile
don't
get
credit
a
lot
of
times,
but
there
are
a
lot
of
ways
of
of
entities
who
are
out
there
throughout
all
of
pittsburgh,
making
a
difference
and
trying
to
make
lives
better
for
people
of
color,
with
especially
with
colorful
backgrounds.
It
does
exist.
F
Thank
you.
The
next
question
was:
how
are
we
dealing
with
men
and
women
with
mental
health?
What
are
we
doing
to
address
mental
health
in
the
black
community
and
how?
F
How
is
the
information
that
you're
talking
about
getting
out
to
elderly
people
or
people
without
internet
access
as
you've
spoken
about
yeah
I'll,
we'll
start
with
that
one?
We
we
have
a
lot
coming
through
I'll
start
with
that
one.
B
Mental
health
is
a
major
issue
in
the
black
community.
Before
I
was
a
council
person,
I
spent
a
lot
of
my
time
in
social
services,
providing
after-school
programming,
doing
reintegration
programs
being
in
the
jails,
doing
educational
programs
and
running
outpatient
clinics
for
mental
health,
and
so
there
are
mental
health
opportunities.
B
Counseling
such
as
the
crisis
center
on
braddock
avenue
in
in
in
the
point
breeze
area
which
actually
supports
the
whole
county.
But
we
we
need
a
lot
more
community-based
mental
health
services
right
and
we
need
to
integrate
where
we
need.
B
But
again,
all
those
are
symptoms
of
the
real
problem.
The
real
problem
is
because
of
institutional
racism,
money
and
resources
are
not
directed
inside
our
communities
and
so
we've
allowed,
because
again,
we've
not
put
money
into
prevention
programs,
we've
not
put
money
into
job
training
programs,
we've
not
put
money
into
a
variety
of
the
social
service,
mental
health
programming
to
traumatize
people
so
that
they
act
out,
and
so
the
real
solution
is
to
put
these
comprehensive
services.
D
D
D
That's
not
how
I
want
us
to
be
referenced
in
terms
of
the
worst
city
for
african-americans
to
live
in
that
that
will
tie
into
mental
health
that
will
tie
into
the
budget
from
the
police
department
that
will
tie
in
the
budget
of
education
that
would
tie
into
access
to
technology
and
other
resources
and
again
we're
about
to
go
about
not
to
go
back
into
the
school
system.
Our
children
were
already
behind.
D
It's
a
whole
nother
can
of
worms
how
we,
the
teachers,
have
voted
through
the
unions
not
to
teach
to
not
to
teach
physically,
and
I
know
they
need
to
be
safe.
But
yet
the
energy
is
now
poured
on
to
after-school
programs
and
other
entities
to
try
to
to
bridge
the
gap
and
we're
the
same
people.
We're
not
no
we're
we're
no
safer
than
you
are,
but
why
should
we
go
out
there?
But
in
spite
of
that,
the
senator
cares
is
one
organization,
like
others,
would
who's
trying
to
strategize.
D
How
can
we
still
educate
our
children
who
need
basic
education
that
they
won't
get
online?
They
won't
get
it
home
because
their
parents
and
grandparents
and
aunties
don't
understand
it
and
they'll
fall
further
and
further
into
the
gap,
and
who
knows
what
will
happen
to
them,
and
so
the
bigger
picture
is
that
again
we
have
to
not
just
address
these
real
issues.
If,
if
we're
smack
with
the
face,
we
can't
say
we're
the
most
livable.
If
the
same
token,
the
same
breath
is
the
worst
place
for
african-americans.
A
Which
which
to
that
point,
reverend
grayson,
which
is
why
we're
here
today,
which
is
why
we've
been
working
on
the
various
pieces
of
legislation,
which
is
why
we
declared
racism,
a
public
health
crisis.
We've
created
a
commission
on
racial
equity
in
this
city.
I
hope
we're
going
to
be
convening
a
task
force
soon
to
work
on
that
commission,
and
I
certainly
hope
you
will
to
the
extent
you
can.
I
know
you're
very
busy.
You
lend
yourself
to
that
effort
as
well.
A
What
I
would
like
to
do,
because
at
7
15-
and
we
did
promise
our
guests-
that
we
would
only
have
them
for
about
an
hour,
and
so
we
do
need
to
let
them
go
micah.
If
there
are
one
or
two
final
questions
that
sort
of
wrap
up
a
number
of
people's
questions.
If
we
would
do
that
and
then
we
can
yes.
F
F
You
also
got
a
few
comments
saying
that
they
appreciated
not
calling
men
and
women
inmates,
but
acknowledging
them
with
love
and
for
for
making
a
way
for
for
accountability
and
accessibility
during
coronavirus.
D
But
you
know
there's
no
sign
saying
you
know
this
is
what
we
do,
so
we
just
simply
do
it.
But
every
week
for
the
last,
I
guess
five
months
we
have
not
missed
a
week,
giving
out
180
boxes
of
food
to
the
people
in
the
community
and
within
an
hour
and
20
minutes.
There's
nothing
left,
but
we're
not
the
only
church
doing
the
same
thing.
D
Calvary's
doing
that
I
mean
every
I
mean
every
so
many
churches,
amy
zion,
methodist
baptist
pentecost,
we're
all
out
there
in
the
work
and
sometimes
it
gets
missed
and
sometimes
we
get
beat
up
so
again.
The
work
is
great
and
I
would
love
to
find
a
way
that
we
can
look
at
what
some
of
our
individual
gifts
and
talents
are
in
terms
of
ministry
and
tie
that
into
some
type
of
document
that
people
can
know
who
to
reach
out
to.
E
And
reverend
grayson,
I
want
to
add
to
something
that
you
said
about
how
we
just
do
the
work.
That's
just
the
black
community
in
general.
That's
just
black
people.
We
just
do
the
work,
we
do
what
we're
supposed
to
do.
We
make
a
way
and
we
keep
moving
and
we're
not
stopping
to
think
about
who
are
we
reporting
the
goat
works
that
we're
going
to
are
that
we
are
doing?
Who?
Where
does
that?
E
Go
we're
not
stopping
to
think
about
how
large
our
network
is
and
how
far
we
need
to
share
this
information
into
who
we
just
see
a
need
and
we
try
to
help
to
the
best
of
our
abilities,
so
you're
not
alone
in
that
your
church
is
not
alone.
I
think
it's
just
it's
a
community
problem.
If
we
want
to
say
that
it's
a
problem,
people
say
we
don't
share
information
enough.
We
don't
share
resources
enough,
but
we
just
help
where
we
can
and
whoever
comes
they
come
and
there's
usually
not
enough
resources
to
go
around.
D
A
So
I'm
gonna
ask
one
last
question,
then
I'll.
Let
us
go
about
our
way:
reverend
grayson!
Earlier
in
this
discussion,
you
mentioned
a
letter
that
you
and
many
other
pastors
sent
to
the
mayor
and
richard
garland
feel
free
to
respond
to
this
as
well,
but
before
you
right
now
are
two
legislators,
as
well
as
the
assistant
director
of
public
safety,
in
addition
to
what
we're
already
working
on
and
what
we're
attempting
to
accomplish,
as
it
relates
to
violence
that
relates
to
police,
interacting
with
our
communities.
D
I
don't
know
how
to
narrow
it
down
to
one,
but
we
do
want
us
black
lives
do
matter,
so
we
need
to
save
lives
on
so
many
levels
on
blue
on
black,
but
also
on
black
on
black,
which
we
didn't
touch
at
all,
and
so
I
think,
and
that
ties
into
a
lot
of
other
dysfunctions
that
we
just
have
to
deal
with,
but
the
work
is
great,
and
so
that's
where
my
passion
is
personally
with
the
loss
of
my
son
and
just
as
you
know,
a
trail
blazer
in
this
work.
D
That's
very
that's
my
passion
in
terms
of
how
do
we
only
save
lives
but
make
lives,
give
people
the
hope
that
everyone
deserves
for
this
american
dream.
I'm
excited
about
the
I'll,
say
publicly,
the
biden
harris
ticket
and
so
let's
vote.
Let's
get
our
senses
done.
Let's
do
our
part
and
let's
help
change
the
narrative.
A
Okay,
fair
enough
with
that,
we
are
out
of
the
time
for
today's
show.
I
do
want
to
thank
our
guest,
reverend
glenn,
grayson,
pastor
of
wesley
center
amy,
church
and
amy.
A
B
I
want
to
thank
all
of
you
for
watching
and
participating
in
this
town
hall
meeting.
Remember
you
can
watch
this
show
on
facebook,
the
city's
youtube
channel
or
the
city's
cable
channel.
A
new
meeting
will
occur
every
wednesday
in
august
next
week.
Meek's
next
week's
meeting
will
focus
on
the
forum
for
housing
and
economic
development
in
the
black
community
by
working
together,
united
purpose,
we
can
transform
our
city
strengthen
it
for
all
of
its
residents.