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On this episode of CityTalk, John interviews Tyler Trainor from City Council District Four Office and Sarah Kinter from the Department of Permits, Licenses, & Inspections.
A
Having
me
are
you
among
the
many
of
us
working
from
home
at
this
moment.
B
Yes,
we're
getting
there
we're
closing
in
on
going
back.
I
can't
wait.
You
know
I
haven't
been
able
to
go
down
the
city
city
county
boating
in
some
time,
so
it'll
be
nice
to
get
back
eventually.
B
Yeah,
my
chief
of
staff,
blake,
would
was
taking
me
down.
Occasionally
you
know
here
and
there
just
to
you
know
kind
of
see
the
office
a
little
bit
but
yeah
it's
it's!
It's
pretty.
It's
pretty
good
down.
There.
A
Of
communicating
about
the
office
through,
I
don't
know
facebook
and
twitter,
social
networking
or
whatever
you're,
using.
B
Yeah
just
kind
of
getting
you
know,
information
out
there
on
our
facebook
page,
along
with,
like
you
know,
writing
proclamations,
doing
flyers,
helping
with
you
know,
newsletters,
and
you
know
his
his
weekly
newsletter
and
yeah
things
like
that.
It's
just
about
getting
information
out
to
the
public,
along
with
you
know,
just
helping
our
residents
and
constituents
with
day-to-day
stuff.
A
I
know,
coincidentally,
and
we
talked
about
this
on
the
phone
prior
to
the
interview-
you
were
helping
my
girlfriend
deal
with
an
issue
of
dog
poop
in
a
neighbor's
backyard,
and
you
did
the
best
you
could
with
you
know
as
much
as
you
had.
B
A
A
It'd
be
more
like
there's
an
abandoned
car
in
the
backyard,
or,
I
would
think,
would
be
more
typical.
B
Right
right,
yeah
yeah,
so
it's
a
unique
unique
thing
is
your
background.
B
Yeah
I
graduated
with
my
undergrad
from
point
park
with
a
with
a
communications
and
marketing
degree.
A
B
Yeah,
you
know
my
first
couple:
jobs
out
of
college,
you
know
really
didn't
have
anything
to
do
with
you
know,
didn't
really
have
anything
to
do
with
my
background
or
communications
or
anything
like
that.
So
it's
it's
very
nice
to
kind
of
finally
get
that
you
know
start
doing
that
again.
B
Yeah
I've
been
working
for
major
league
baseball
since
I
was
in
college
since
I
was
21.
one
of
my
one,
a
guy
who
used
to
coach
against
me
in
little
league
baseball
in
brookline.
Just
happened
to
post
on
facebook:
hey
if
you
like,
baseball
and
need
a
part-time
job
for
the
summer.
You
know,
let
me
know-
and
I
I
was
the
first
one
to
get
to
him
and
at
first
I
was
doing
a
lot
of
you
know,
pitch
tracking
and
things
like
that.
B
So
when
you
would
see
on
the
tv
on
route
sports
on
18th
esports,
now
that
you
know
where
the
pitch
exactly
was
and
how
fast
it
was
yeah.
I
was
originally
doing
that
and
now
I'm
kind
of
making
sure
the
teams
aren't
cheating
and
no
banging
on
trash
cans,
and
things
like
that.
B
No,
we
had
like
a
couple
different
cameras
set
up
and
computers
and
from
a
different
couple
angles,
and
it
was
getting
like
you
know,
spin
rate
and
things
like
that,
and
you
know
where
the
pitch
was
coming
and
how
fast
it
was
coming
in.
Along
with
you
know,
tracking
players
and
how
fast
they
were
running
the
bases
and
how
far
they
were
leading
off
the
off
the
first
base.
B
A
little
bit
of
both
you
know
even
umpires
would
take
a
copy
of
the
game.
What
we
tracked
to
see,
you
know
see
what
they
could
work
on
themselves
if
they
missed
a
pitch
here
or
there
things
like
that.
Also,
if
you
you
know,
you
couldn't
watch
the
game
from
your
tv.
If
you
wanted
to
go
on
mlb.com,
that's
you
know.
That's
how
that
we
would,
you
know,
give
information
out.
A
B
I'm
just
kind
of
patrolling
like
like
almost
like
a
like
a
a
major
league
police
officer,
major
league
baseball
police
officer,
I'm
just
kind
of
making
sure
players
aren't
on
their
phones.
There's
nothing
suspicious
going
on.
You
know,
delayed
feeds
for
the
games
inside
the
clubhouse,
and
things
like
that.
A
B
A
B
Yeah,
I
don't
know
if
there
was
ever
any
instances
of
that.
I
guess
that's
just
kind
of
you
know
a
worry
of
them,
but
yeah.
I
don't
know
if
that's
ever
happened.
B
Yeah
yeah,
it's
mostly
in
the
clubhouse,
they
would
never
bring
it
out.
I
don't
think
they
were
ever
allowed
to
bring
an
outdoor
in
the
game
like
on
the
on
the
you
know,
the
dugout,
or
anything
like
that.
A
All
right
so
back
to
your
government
job.
Have
you
learned
anything
that
surprised
you
about
just
working
in
city
government.
B
Yeah
because
originally
like
you
know
just
growing
up
and
seeing
you
know,
I
never
really
contacted
any.
My
city
council
person
growing
up
and
I
don't
think
my
parents
usually
did.
But
you
know
I
just
you
know
you
look
around
you
go
day
to
day
and
just
see
how
things
you
know
see
things
get
done
and
you're
really,
I'm
not
really.
You
know
I
ever
really
question
how
they
got
done
or
what
you
know,
what
avenues
and
channels
they
had
to
go
through
to
get
done.
B
You
know
I
just
like
you
know
when
the
street
got
paved
or
when
a
building
got
demolished
or
something
like
that.
I
just
never
really
thought
about
it
and
yeah
definitely
learning
how
what
all
what
goes
into
it
and
what
kind
of
channels
you
have
to
go
through
is
pretty
interesting.
A
And
if
you're
handing
some
community
liaison
what
other
kinds
of
comments
or
complaints
or
requests
you're
getting
other
than
dog
poop.
B
Yeah,
like
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
paving
requests,
you
know
that's
it's
always
a
thing.
You
know,
especially
with
how
bad
the
winners
are
here.
You
know
those
kind
of
things
snow,
removal
it
was.
That
was
a
big
concern
this
this
year
and
yeah.
Just
a
lot
of
you
know
it
really
changes
day
to
day.
There's
nothing.
That's
ever
like
you
know,
seems
too
consistent
and
it's
it's
pretty
nice.
A
I
don't
know
how
we
can
you're
freezing
up
a
little
bit
there,
but
there's
probably
nothing.
You
can
do
either
that
or
you're
one
hell
of
a
ventriloquist.
That
was
that
would
be
really
impressive.
So
would
you
recommend
a
career
in
government
service.
B
Yeah,
if
you
like,
helping
the
community
and
want
to
see
your
community
become
a
better
place,
absolutely,
I
think
a
lot
of
the
time
you
know
the
constituents
are
very
respectful
and
you
know
they
do
a
good
job
at
you
know
seeing
date
you
know
they're
out
on
the
streets
day
to
day
seeing
what
needs
done
and
you
know
yeah.
Definitely
it's
it's
a
very,
very
rewarding.
You
know
job.
A
B
Yeah,
it's
it's
honestly
great
he's
the
best
boss
I
ever
had
for
sure
you
know
his
hard
work.
You
know
when
he,
like
you
said,
he's
a
very
energetic
guy.
You
know
he's
doing
roofing.
If
he's
not
doing
you
know,
hubby
doing
public
servant
stuff
and
but
you
know,
he's
really
hands
on
and
seeing
the
community
and
it's
it's
very
contagious,
like
a
very
contagious
work
ethic.
B
You
know
down
to
you
know
from
our
chief
of
staff
blake
to
katie
and
then
to
me
you
know
they
just
kind
of
you
know,
instilled
that
in
me
to
you
know,
working
hard
and
getting
back
to
the
you
know
the
constituents
and
and
kind
of
giving
them
the
best
they
can.
I
can.
B
From
originally
I'm
from
beach
view
born
and
raised,
I
grew
up
on
realty
avenue,
right
off
broadway
and
I
just
recently
moved
to
mount
washington
in
maybe
like
a
year
and
a
half
ago,
but
for
the
first
27
years
of
my
life,
I
was
living
in
beach
view.
A
Is
there
something
you
a
friend
of
mine
was
complaining
that
she
thought
they
could
use
a
good
coffee
shop?
Is
there
anything
you
think
they
beachview
could
use
that
it
doesn't
have
now.
B
Yes,
definitely
definitely
the
food,
the
food
in
the
the
business
district's
really
growing
fast,
even
since
I've
been
in
you
know,
there's
been
you
know,
quite
a
few
changes
and
things
like
that
and
growing
up.
You
know
the
you
know:
broadway
was
pretty
lively
and
then
it
kind
of
died
down
a
little
bit
and
now
it's
you
know
kind
of
back
on
its
way
up.
So
there's
always,
I
think,
there's
room
for
a
lot
of
different
businesses
there
and
definitely
a
lot
of
different
businesses
could
be
successful.
There.
B
Yeah,
I
just
kind
of
I
don't
really
try
to
look
too
far
to
the
future.
I
just
want
to
the
other
day.
I
just
want
to
be
happy
and
keep
moving
forward.
You
know
whatever.
A
All
right,
well
dude
I'll,
be
willing
to
let
you
go.
Do
you
have
any
parting
thoughts.
B
No
thanks
for
having
me
and
yeah.
You
knows,
you
know,
I'm
sorry.
I
kept
freezing
up
a
little
bit
but
well,
I
didn't
think
he
did.
B
Right,
I
hope
I
hope
I
got
you
know
as
good
as
interviews
you.
You
thought
you
hoped
for.
A
B
Thank
you
and
have
a
good
one.
A
All
right,
you
too,
that's
tyler,
traynor,
we'll
be
back
and
you
will
meet
the
director
of
the
department
of
permits,
licenses
and
inspections,
assuming
I
can
actually
get
that
out
of
my
mouth
stay
with
us.
C
A
Welcome
back
to
city
talk,
we
are
pleased
as
pigs
and
excrement
to
have
the
director
of
the
department
of
permits,
licenses
and
inspections,
all
three
of
them.
Sarah
kinter,
on
the
program.
Sarah
welcome
to
city
talk
thanks.
A
D
Yeah
sure
the
department
of
permits
licenses
and
inspections
is
the
city
department,
that's
charged
with
ensuring
safety
of
the
built
environment.
So
we
have
a
construction
division
that
ensures
that
construction
is
occurring
per
code.
We
have
a
code
enforcement
division
that
goes
out
in
sites
where
there's
violations
and
issues
notices
of
violations
to
bring
folks
into
compliance.
And
then
we
have
a
customer
service
team
and
a
support
team
that
supports
both
of
those
units
and
in
our
work.
A
Do
you
happen
to
know
if
these
all
these
items
were
once
spread
out
over
different
agencies,
and
then
somebody
got
the
bright
idea
to
consolidate,
or
has
it
always
been
like
it
is.
D
So,
prior
to
2014,
there
was
the
bureau
of
building
inspection,
which
was
housed
under
public
safety,
and
so
when
mayor
peduto
came
in
in
2014,
he
really
split
out
this
as
a
its
own
department
and
took
some
of
the
licensing
provisions
and
some
of
the
provisions
under
title
10
of
the
pittsburgh
city
code.
And
really
it's
been
operating.
A
D
Yeah,
so
luckily,
there
are
international
and
national
organizations
that
provide
guidance
on
best
practices
for
building
codes.
So
one
is
the
international
code
council,
that's
the
international
group
that
actually
creates
the
model,
building
codes
that
jurisdictions
adopt
and
then
locally
in
the
state
of
pennsylvania.
There
is
a
pennsylvania,
construction
codes
act
and
dedicated
resources
for
teaching
folks
how
to
be
a
building
code
official,
so
everyone
in
our
office
takes
examinations
to
be
qualified
for
their
jobs
and
get
through
the
probationary
period,
myself
included.
D
So
I
did
have
to
take
pass
a
test,
a
building
code,
official
test
under
the
state
of
pennsylvania
and
our
plans,
examiners,
our
inspectors,
both
in
operations
and
in
construction.
Our
application
technicians
all
take
examinations
to
be
qualified
for
their
jobs.
A
D
A
D
So
after
you
take
the
exam,
you
have
the
certification,
but
then
you're
required
to
obtain
continuing
education
units
annually
so
that
you
can
keep
up
with
changes
to
the
code.
And
you
know
the
code
books
are
pretty
thick.
There's
a
lot
to
learn
and
a
lot
to
know
so.
Continuing
education
fosters
that
knowledge.
A
All
right,
so
what
kinds
of
things
might
you
issue
permits
for.
D
So
we
issue
permits
for
construction,
so
that
would
include
building
and
residential
commercial
units,
fire
alarms,
fire
suppression
systems,
mechanical
systems.
D
Yes,
you
would
if
the
deck
was
30
inches
or
less,
you
would
be
getting
a
zoning
and
development
review
application
and
they're
they're
going
to
review,
and
if
it's
higher
than
that,
you
would
do
that
zoning
review.
You
would
also
get
a
building
permit.
D
So
we
license
contractors
and
trade
license
professionals
who
are
qualified
to
get
those
permits
issued
for
commercial
structures
and
some
residential
structures
where
folks
aren't
working
on
their
own
home.
You
can
work
on
your
own
home
and
then
we
also
issue
a
smattering
of
business
licenses
that
are
under
title
vii
of
the
pittsburgh
city
code,
which
would
include
towing
licenses
parking
lot
licenses
and
a
you
know,
different
variety
of
vendors,
things
of
that
nature.
D
Yeah
so
we're
inspecting
buildings
to
ensure
that
they
conform
with
the
construction
that
was
approved
and
the
work
scope
that
was
approved
as
part
of
that
administrative
permitting
process.
And
then
we
also
have
a
group
of
inspectors
in
our
operations,
side
that
inspect
towards
the
property
maintenance
code
and
zoning
codes
and
to
ensure
that
those
buildings
are
upkept.
D
I'm
from
the
wilkes-barre
area
in
northeastern.
A
All
pennsylvania,
have
you
seen
that
hbo
mayor
show
it's
a
drama
about
a
never
mind.
It's
just
set
in
that
neck
of
the
woods,
and
I
was
gonna.
Ask
you
if
they
all
really
talk
like
that.
But
if
you
haven't
seen
it
it's
not
worth
it.
A
A
D
So
now,
ten
years
ago,
I
drug
my
husband
across
the
state
so
that
I
could
pursue
my
masters
and
went
to
university
of
pittsburgh,
got
my
masters
and
stayed.
D
No,
we
love
it
here
and
you
know
just
recently
bought
a
home,
we're
always
like
inviting
our
family
and
friends
to
live
out
here
too.
So
yeah
we're
pittsburgh
advocates.
A
Oh
cool,
how
have
you
been
coping
with
covet.
D
A
D
So
it
was,
you
know,
super
exciting
button
covered
times
was
a
little
tough,
you
know
being
away
from
family
and
you
know
having
a
newborn
in
the
house.
Luckily,
my
husband
and
I
are
homebodies,
so
we're
accustomed
to
just
being
happy
in
each
other's
space,
but
you
know
wanted
to
share
those
new
moments.
You
know
with
our
in-laws
and
parents,
but
we
all
were
very
vigilant.
A
A
D
All
sorts
we
there's
a
lot
of
strange
new
ones
that
have
come
out
these
days,
but
we
like
like
puzzle,
games
and
what
they
call
like
engine
games
where
you
sort
of
like
build
up
resources
and
then
see
who's
like
done
better
over
a
period
of
time.
So
this
kind
of
like
slow
burn,
strategic
games.
A
D
A
There
any
other
job
you
were
seeking
and
you
ended
up
in
permits,
licenses
and
inspections.
Well,.
D
I
actually
started
with
the
city
in
the
civil
rights
agency.
The
commission,
which
I
really
loved
and
saw
this
opening
for
administrative
work
in
permits,
had
a
really
strong
interest
in
housing
and
fair
housing
and
sort
of
wanted
to.
You
know
view
it
from
a
different
lens
in
a
different
nexus
and
moved
over
and
and
really
love
it
permit.
The
permit
world
is
a
fast-paced
high
volume
like
large
workflow
environment
and
for
a
lot
of
us.
We
really
like
that.
D
Yeah
in
june
of
2020
was
formally
promoted.
D
I
really
do
like
my
job.
I
think
you'll
find
you
know
most
folks
in
pli,
really
like
our
jobs.
We
were
really
busy
through
the
the
pandemic,
but
it's
very
interesting
work
and
I
feel,
as
though
people
don't
really
know
what's
going
on
with
permits
until
they
have
to
get
one
and
then
they
sort
of
have
to
dive
in
and
it's
an
interesting
code
enforcement.
You
know
lens.
A
Did
it
surprise
you,
when
you
first
became
involved
in
government
that
there
weren't
a
bunch
of
people
smoking
cigarettes
with
their
feet
up
on
the
desk
and
scratching
their
bellies?
The
caricatures
some
people
have
of
you
know
government
in
general,.
D
Yeah
people
have
that
character,
but
you
know
I
found
that
you
know
when
I
was
at
the
commission
on
human
relations.
When
I
moved
over
to
pli,
everyone
was
really
hard-working
really
interested
in
improving
processes,
which
is
another
thing
that
we
really
love
about.
The
permits
department,
we're
always
looking
at
you
know.
How
are
we
doing
things?
Can
we
do
them
better?
Why
are
we
doing
them
in
a
certain
way?
D
A
D
That's
a
good
question.
You
know
I
haven't
been
on
a
roller
coaster
in
a
really
long
time.
I
really
love
roller
coasters,
so
maybe
something
like
roller
coaster
related,
but
I'm
not
sure.
A
I
admire
your
intestinal
fortitude,
the
la
I
went
on
a
roller
coaster.
I
don't
know
seven
or
eight
years
ago
in
new
york
city,
because
my
girlfriend
loves
woody
allen.
She
always
wanted
to
go
to
coney
island
because
annie
hall
was
partly
coney
island
and
after
getting
off
the
roller
coaster,
I
vowed.
I
will
never
ever
again
get
a
roller
coaster
and
I
was
wondering
why
I
ever
did
in
the
first
place.
A
D
A
A
D
D
Absolutely
yes,
it's
very
rewarding
it's
a
very
unique
perspective
and
it's
great
to
be
involved
with
you
know
something
really
meaningful.
A
Would
you
ever
consider
running
for
any
political
office?
You
don't
have
to
answer
that
by
the
way.
D
Yeah,
absolutely
I
like
the
the
operations
piece
of
the
work
the
most,
I
think.
A
A
Yeah
most
people
turned
me
down,
so
I
thank
you
you're,
the
one
I
should
be
thanking
and
thanks
for
putting
up
with
the
silly
questions
and
and
have
you
read
all
those
books
behind
you.