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From YouTube: Our Neighbor's Keeper: Health & Wellness
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On this episode of Our Neighbor's Keeper, Josiah Gilliam talks with Sharice Nance from Hand-in-Hand Counseling Services, April Jackson from Open Up Pittsburgh, and Jordan M. Fields from Mayor Peduto's Office.
A
Hello
there
good
afternoon
and
happy
thursday,
my
name
is
josiah
gilliam
and
I
am
the
my
brother's
keeper
coordinator
and
mayor
bill,
peduto's
office
of
equity,
and
we
are
very
excited
today
to
have
the
latest
in
our
series
called
our
neighbors
keeper,
where
we've
tried
to
create
a
platform
to
explore
reality
and
various
intersections
of
work
happening
at
different
levels
within
our
city
within
government
community,
and
today
we
really
want
to
explore
this
theme
of
wellness,
which
is
a
guiding
theme
for
the
my
brother's
keeper
work
this
year
and
acknowledging
that
it's
women's
history
month
and
also
social
work
month.
A
We
thought
we'd,
invite
voices
and
people
active
in
those
spaces
have
a
conversation
around
those
themes
and
to
really
encourage
each
of
us
on
our
own
wellness
journey.
Today
I
have
a
co-facilitator
someone
that
works
in
the
mayor's
office
with
me,
jordan
fields-
and
we
have
some
great
folks
from
the
community
here-
that
we're
very
excited
to
have
a
chance
to
highlight
and
learn
more
about
what
it
is
that
they
do
so
without
further
ado.
B
Good
good
afternoon,
everyone,
I
am
charisse
nance,
I
am
a
licensed
clinical
social
worker.
So
thank
you
for
the
happy
national
social
work
month.
Shout
out,
I'm
also
a
certified
clinical
trauma,
professional,
an
author
and
compassion
fatigue,
specialist,
I'm
the
co-owner
and
founder
of
hand-in-hand
counseling
services.
With
my
partner,
tess
kenny.
We
are
a
group,
outpatient,
mental
health,
private
practice,
we're
located
in
penn
hills
on
duff
road.
A
Thank
you
so
much,
and
thank
you
for
being
here
coach
april.
C
Hi
good
afternoon,
we
hit
hit
it
right
on
the
dot
with
the
afternoon.
Thank
you
for
having
me.
My
name
is
april
jackson
and
I
am
a
transplant
into
pittsburgh,
been
here
for
about
eight
or
nine
years
now.
I
am
in
the
wellness
space
specifically
with
nutrition
and
corporate
wellness
and
holistic
wellness.
So,
in
the
same
vein,
that
shari
spoke
of
you
bring
your
whole
self
to
everything
you
do,
and
so
I
am
a
yoga
teacher
have
been
for
20
plus
years,
and
I
also
help
people
understand
how
to
really
practice.
C
Mindfulness
techniques
that
helps
us
all
gain
capacity
to
be
better
leaders
to
be
better
companies
to
be
better
teams
and
to
really
help
us
gain
a
capacity
to
serve
ourselves
in
a
better
way
and
thereby
being
able
to
serve
the
community.
I
support
people.
I
support
organizations,
I
support
leaders,
I
support
individuals
who
are
suffering
through
trauma
through
microaggressions
and
just
really
trying
to
ground
and
settle
everyone.
So
when
people
are
healed,
we
can
do
the
work.
So
I'm
an
integral
coach.
I've
been
the
general
manager
of
mecca
fitness
and
nutrition
for
five
plus
years.
D
Thor
hi
everyone
good
afternoon.
My
name
is
jordan
m
fields,
I'm
also
a
pittsburgh
transplant,
I'm
originally
from
new
jersey,
but
I
attended
the
university
of
pittsburgh
as
an
undergraduate
student,
and
now
I
serve
in
mayor
peduto's
office
of
equity
as
a
policy
coordinator.
So
I'm
really
excited
to
be
here
and
kind
of
co-manage
with
josiah
and
just
learn
today.
A
Yes,
thank
you
all
so
very
much
very
excited
about
this.
You
know
coach
april,
we
talked
about
what
we
wanted
to
you
know
cover
in
today's
conversation,
we've
been
getting
to
know
each
other
better
and
talking
about
you
know,
work
and-
and
this
present
moment,
and
what
really
came
up
organically
in
our
conversations
around
this
broadcast,
was
why
don't
we
walk
the
walk
a
little
bit
and
ground,
even
in
this
conversation
middle
of
our
day
with
a
mindfulness
practice.
A
So
I'm
going
to
step
out
of
the
way
floor
is
yours.
Why
don't
you
introduce
what
we're
going
to
do
and
explain
what
we're?
What
we're
up
to.
C
Wonderful
because
we're
venturing
into
an
area
where
we're
going
to
discuss
topics
that
can
really
create
energy
in
our
bodies.
Our
bodies
reflect
everything
we
think
and
we
feel
and
when
we
are
in
tune
with
our
bodies,
we
can
better
serve
our
bodies
more
and
we're
going
to
do
that
today.
Through
a
grounding
practice,
we
hear
breathing,
take
a
deep
breath,
breathe
deeply
use
breathing
as
a
tool
of
mindfulness,
and
I
want
to
practice
that
right
now.
C
So
I
offer
this
to
anyone
who
is
ready,
willing
and
able,
and
if
you
would
like
to
listen,
you
can
so
I'm
going
to
offer
that
you
put
your
feet
flat
on
the
ground
and
I
am
sitting
in
a
pretty
sturdy
chair.
So
if
you're
sitting
in
a
chair
put
your
feet
flat
on
the
ground
and
you
can
lean
back,
if
you
like,
you
can
sit
up,
I
offer
a
space
that
you
can
feel
comfortable,
but
definitely
alert
in
your
body.
So
your
bottom
is
in
the
seat.
C
So
if
you
can
imagine
your
bottom
flesh
in
the
seat,
imagine
kind
of
like
it
being
rooted
literally
like
roots
of
a
tree
that
dig
into
the
earth.
If
you
can
imagine
that,
coming
through
your
feet,
those
roots
started
with
your
tailbone
and
your
glutes
and
through
the
roots,
you
feel
a
rise
through
the
crown
of
your
head
and
they
that
might
allow
you
just
the
ability
to
sit
tall.
C
I'm
going
to
take
my
hands
and
put
them
on
my
lap
and
you're
welcome
to
do
that
as
well.
Just
touching
yourself,
little
human
contact
on
our
own
persons
will
help
you
can
keep
your
eyes
open
or
closed
or
half
mass.
The
invitation
is
to
relax
your
eyebrows
to
relax
your
eyelids
to
relax
your
jaws
and
you
can
support
relaxing
your
jaws
by
letting
your
tongue
just
kind
of
fall
back
off
the
roof
of
the
mouth,
away,
from
the
teeth.
C
And
let's
take
four
breaths
and
these
four
breaths
are
going
to
be
in
counts
of
four.
So
if
you
can
imagine
a
square,
the
four
sides
of
a
square,
maybe
visualize-
that
in
your
mind-
and
I
will
count
as
I
offer
the
breath-
the
first
breath
is
an
inhale.
So
let's
inhale
in
for
a
count
of
four
three
two
one
and
hold
that
breath
in
for
four
seconds.
C
C
So
being
rooted
being
anchored
being
settled
can
help
give
freedom.
If
you
can
imagine
a
tree,
that's
rooted
in
the
ground.
The
trunk
is
sturdy,
and
then
you
look
up
to
the
very
top
of
the
tree
and
the
wind
can
blow
the
leaves
and
the
branches
there's
a
freedom
to
move,
and
there
is
just
freedom
in
the
sky
so
give
yourself
some
freedom
by
wiggling,
your
toes
and
fingers.
A
C
Every
day,
within
our
bodies
we
come
against.
Stress
stress
could
be
something
as
simple
as
the
toaster
didn't
work.
The
phone
is
going
off.
It
can
be
as
intense
as
someone
said,
something
that
violated
us.
It
can
be
intense
with
violations
of
our
persons
and
the
body
reacts
so
the
nervous
system.
You
have
your
sympathetic
nervous
system
and
you
think
of
sympathy.
C
You
have
your
parasympathetic
nervous
system,
it
can
activate
you
and,
although
the
stressors
sometimes
don't
outwardly,
create
very
obvious
trauma,
our
bodies
still
internalize
that,
and
so,
when
you're
under
stress
your
heartbeat
increases.
C
Your
digestive
system
slows
down
your
your
jaws,
tighten
your
shoulders
tight
and
your
glutes
tighten
and,
and
then,
when
your
body's
up
tight,
like
that,
your
brain
is
just
activating
in
a
a
space.
That's
not
really
relaxed
and
healthy
breathing
is
that
mind-body
connection?
And
when
you
take
that
inhale
in
you,
you
literally
create
what
we
call
a
mind
gap.
C
You
might
be
thinking
200
different
things
at
one
time
I
have
to
answer
the
phone.
I
have
to
check
this
email.
I
have
a
presentation
to
do.
I
have
a
client
to
meet
the
minute.
You
take
that
inhale
in
your
brain,
doesn't
think
about
that.
It's
an
autonomic
function
that
we
can
take
over
and
so
doing
that
in
little
increments
throughout
the
day
can
help
relax
you
and
help
your
nervous
system
just
find
a
balanced
state.
A
Thank
you.
So
you
mentioned
how
the
different
ways
that
the
body
can
react.
You
mentioned
various
systems
within
the
body
and
in
your
introduction
you
mentioned
this
idea
that
we
bring
our
whole
selves
into
the
work
that
we
do
and
that's
part
of
the
work
that
you
do
in
community.
Can
you
speak
a
little
bit
more
about
that
and
and
the
work
that
you
do
as
well.
C
Yes-
and
you
know,
I
I
work
in
a
few
capacities
as
I
shared.
I
also
am
the
community
learning
director
for
open
up
pittsburgh
and
it's
a
non-profit
where
we
bring
grounding
and
centering
practices,
mindfulness
practices,
the
arts
we
bring
when
you
bring
the
arts
and
and
mindfulness
you
take
care
of
our
soul,
and
our
souls
are
not
so
mystical.
Our
souls
react
to
emotions
and
we
react.
C
We
are
able
to
bring
ourselves
into
whatever
we
do
society
in
human
nature.
You
know,
we've
learned
to
compartmentalize
things
and
compartmentalization
is
sometimes
an
effect
of
pain
and
if
we
cannot
bring
our
whole
selves
into
an
area
of
school,
an
area
of
work,
an
area
of
community
involvement
into
our
families.
C
We
are
denying
a
part
of
ourselves,
and
that
creates
a
stress
that
creates
a
stress
in
the
body
and
in
the
mind,
and
we
aren't
able
to
really
when
we
say
walking
your
truth
and
walk
in
your
purpose.
It
sounds
so
beautiful,
but
there's
truth
to
that
and
mindfulness
grounding
techniques
really
help
us
know
who
we
are,
and
so
that's
what
inclusion
mean?
That's
what
diversity
means.
C
C
They
can
be
successful
by
just
having
people
come
in
and
do
the
work
and
leave.
But
true
success
really
comes
in
in
diversity.
Our
whole
world
is
has
thrived
because
we've
made
connections,
we've
traveled,
we've
we've
met
other
people,
we've
done
other
things,
and
so
I
really
believe
at
the
truth
of
of
everything
is
allowing
people
to
be
their
selves.
A
I
really
appreciate
that
so
much
of
conversation
in
the
city
or
the
non-profit
space
you
hear
you
know
these
terms
of
diversity
and
inclusion.
I
love
this
reminder
and
this
invitation
to
consider
the
different
parts
of
ourselves
and
to
include
those
parts
of
ourselves
in
how
we
approach
our
days,
how
we
approach
our
work
and
and
just
that
that
checking
in
to
support
and
value
ourselves
in
real
time
sharice.
I
wonder
what,
where
your
mind
goes.
A
Having
heard
of
what
coach
april
has
shared,
and
I
wonder
what
you
would
share
with
us
about
the
work
that
you
do
and
and
how
mental
health
understanding
around
trauma
and
community.
You
know
factors
into
that.
B
Well,
now
that
I'm
I'm
all
zen
from
april's
mindfulness
practice,
she
activated
my
relaxation
system
so
everything
that
april
said,
I'm
nodding
my
head,
I'm
like
yes
and
you
know
as
much
as
that.
A
lot
of
the
work
that
I
do
is
in
trauma
and
mental
health,
but
I'm
I'm
always
learning
something
new,
because
we're
still
learning
more
and
more
about
that.
I
just
think
human
behavior
and
a
human
brain.
B
It
just
continues
to
amaze
me
and
in
the
work
that
I
do,
I
am
a
social
worker
by
trade,
so
just
to
a
lot
of
people,
I
think
get
confused
about
this.
I'm
a
social
worker
by
trade.
My
credentials
are
in
social
work.
I
chose
the
track
of
mental
health
because
social
workers
are
everywhere
we
practice
in
hospitals.
We
practice
in
schools,
community
mental
health.
We
practice
in
government
we
we
are
literally
everywhere.
B
So
I
chose
the
mental
health
track
just
because
I
was
always
interested
in
how
the
the
mind
work
and
how
systems
worked
and
the
healing
of
not
only
children
but
families
and
breaking
the
generational
patterns
that
are
or
hurting
us
that
are
hurting
our
communities,
especially
the
black
community.
B
When
thinking
about
trauma,
I
think
it
gets
missed
a
lot,
especially
when
we're
thinking
about
thinking
about
children
we're
thinking
about
in
a
school
setting.
The
first
thing
that
comes
to
my
mind,
diagnosis
such
as
you
know,
attention
deficit,
disorder
and
oppositional
defiant
disorder,
especially
in
young
boys
and
young
black
boys
when
they're
having
a
hard
time,
maybe
focusing
paying
attention
or
they're
seeming
like
they're,
disruptive
or
being
a
distraction.
B
That's
what
that's!
The
first
diagnosis
that
you
know
usually
comes
to
mind,
but
if
we're
truly
being
trauma
informed
we're
encompassing
a
lot
of
what
april
said,
you
know
taking
a
more
holistic
approach,
making
sure
that
we
are
asking
the
right
questions,
making
sure
that
we're
getting
curious
about
what's
going
on
in
their
lives
and
tuning
in
to
their
bodies-
and
you
know
thinking
about
in
my
practice
right
now.
I'm
in
a
practice
I
used
to
do
a
lot
of
work
in
the
community
as
a
social
worker.
B
If
someone's
coming
into
our
practice,
and
even
if
it's
the
first
day,
we
don't
want
to
push
papers
at
them
if
they
are
visibly
tense
and
anxious,
it's
it's
our
duty.
It's
our
responsibility
to
really
tune
into
that
to
be
tuned
in
with
is
what
they
are
struggling
with,
and
that's
you
know
we're
talking
about.
You
know
being
diverse
and
being
trauma-informed.
B
That's
what
we
mean
we
may
need
to
do
some
type
of
grounding,
help
them
bring
awareness
to
the
room
so
that
they
can
get
present
in
the
moment,
help
them
with
some
deep
breathing
activities.
You
know
getting
what
I
like
to
call
respectfully
curious
about
their,
why
they
are
there
and
what
it
is
that
they
are
struggling
with,
but
that
doesn't
come
until
after
we're
able
to
help
them
get
present.
In
a
moment
we
don't
want
to
start
off
with.
B
You
know
just
just
straight
content,
asking
them
a
lot
of
questions,
because
a
lot
of
what
you
know
al
echo
with
april
said,
if
we're,
if
we're
thinking
about
the
brain,
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
access
that
part
of
the
brain
because
they're
not
there,
they
are
not
in
the
the
neocortex
or
the
thinking
part
of
the
brain.
They
are
strictly
in
emotional
brain.
They
are
in
survival.
B
So
they're,
not
hearing
anything
that
you're
saying
so
you
have
to
something
like
mindfulness
or
deep
breathing
or
any
type
of
grounding
will
help
to
to
bring
them
in
a
presence
so
that
at
some
point
you
can
get
that
to
that
conversation
and
do
that
work.
A
Thank
you,
jordan.
I
wonder
hearing
her
talk
about
the
experience
of
young
people
in
various
systems.
I'm
wondering
what
your
reflections
are.
Any
questions
you
might
have
you
know,
building
off
of
that.
D
I
think
we
need
a
lot
more
people
having
these
conversations
and
just
thinking
about
you
know,
we've
mentioned
kind
of
the
whole
self
and
I
think
that
concept
really
intersects
with
kind
of
josiah
the
work
that
you
and
I
do
related
to
equity,
because
when
we're
talking
about
people's
lived
experiences
and
trauma-informed
responses,
whether
that
is
you
know
in
the
school
system,
as
sharice
mentioned,
I
really
have
to
think
is
our
work
valuable
if
it
doesn't
take
into
account
all
that
someone
is
right.
D
And
I'm
I'm
also
thinking
about
how
young
people
across
the
country
are
experiencing
a
lot
of
trauma
right
now
because
of
the
pandemic?
They
can't
see
their
friends
a
lot
of
them,
aren't
in
the
classroom
receiving
the
additional
support
that
they
need,
and
so
I'm
I'm
wondering
how
we
can
bring
these
practices
into
our
our
daily
routines
and
how
we
can,
even
for
those
of
us
at
home,
how
we
can
begin
to
incorporate
this
into
our
daily
lives
so
that
we
don't
become
so
overwhelmed
by
the
trauma
that
we
are
living.
C
Day
I
like
that,
I
it
makes
me
think
of
various
things
I
appreciate
cherise,
bringing
in
you
know,
children
and
and
this
we're
women.
So
thank
you
for
for
representing
and
having
us
on
the
stage
and
women
are
definitely
I
mean
we're
the
cornerstone
of
the
family.
I
have
three
black
boys
ages,
14
to
20,
and
I
also
have
suffered
trauma
because
historically,
we
just
have
trauma.
B
C
C
There
is
value,
obviously
in
learning
techniques
to
ground
ourselves
and
value
needs
to
be
given
to
it
so
paying
people
to
do
the
work,
inviting
people
in
to
do
the
work
and
giving
them
their
value
to
do.
It
can
help
practical
approaches
to
it.
If
I
can
share
a
personal
example
is
when
my
toddlers
would
have
when
they
were
little
and
they
were
just
having
a
temper
tantrum,
I
would
say:
take
a
deep
breath.
Just
take
a
deep
breath.
C
If
we
can
support
social
workers,
if
we
can
support
therapists,
if
we
can
teach
doctors
if
we
can
teach
those
who
connect
with
community
how
to
come
at
it
in
a
compassionate
way
and
to
look
at
someone
and
recognize
their
skin
color
recognize
their
ethnicity
and
and
to
love
it
and
accept
it
and
embody
it.
I
think
that
can
really
help
teach
individuals
like
it's
okay
to
be
myself
and
it's
okay
to
take
these
practices.
You
know
a
lot
of
people
like.
I
don't
have
time
to
breathe.
I
gotta
work.
C
A
Freeze
I'd
like
to
to
ask
you
about
the
work
that
you
do
because
you
know
how
I
understand
social
work
and,
and
especially
when
I
worked
in
nonprofit
space
and
community
and
had
a
chance
to
get
to
know
so
many
social
workers.
The
stakes
are
high
and
you're.
Dealing
with
you
know
the
impacts
of
trauma
and
things
along
those
lines,
but
these
things
are
aren't
unknowable
too
and
when
we
were
doing
the
prep
conversation
you
mentioned
several
terms.
A
A
I
just
wonder
if
you
could
just
share
a
little
bit
about
those
and
then,
and
importantly,
you
know
what
so
then
like
what
then
you
know,
how
can
we
acknowledge
and
understand
and
study
trauma,
but
then
how
do
we
heal
and
just
I'd
wonder
what
your
thoughts
are
there.
B
Well,
I
think,
building
off
of
what
what
april
says
she.
She
said
a
lot
about
bringing
awareness
to
teachers,
social
workers,
doctors,
nurses,
people
who
are
helping
in
health,
healthcare
professionals.
I
do
a
lot
of
work
with
organizations
where
we
are
talking
about
compassion,
fatigue
and
burnout.
So
what
is
the
difference
between
compassion
fatigue
and
burnout
before
I
even
get
enter
into
that
conversation
so
they're
in
the
same
family?
But
the
major
difference
is
compassion.
B
Fatigue
is
reserved
for
those
workers
who
are
helping
other
people
who
have
experienced
trauma,
suffering
and
pain,
so
you're
thinking
your
social
workers,
your
mental
health
therapists,
your
nurses,
your
doctors,
your
police
officers,
your
emt
workers,
your
case
managers,
your
case
workers.
These
are
people
who
are
seeing
people
who
are
at
their
worst
they're
experiencing
a
lot
of
pain,
second
hand,
so
secondary
trauma
and
compassion
fatigue
or
the
same
thing
or
just
mentioned
interchangeably.
B
So
when,
as
as
helping
professionals,
professionals
when
we
are
experiencing
this
pain
second
hand,
and
it
leads
to
compassion
fatigue,
that
is
a
trauma
now
compassion
fatigue
is
not
outlined
as
a
mental
health
disorder
or
condition
in
the
dsm.
The
diagnostic
statistics
manual-
that's
what
we
use
is
as
mental
health
professionals
to
give
someone
a
diagnosis.
Usually
it's
you
know
it's
it's
important
for
just
so.
B
We
know
what
we're
working
with
and
we
can
help
people
relieve
symptoms,
and
you
know
for
insurance
companies,
but
that's
probably
another
conversation
but
compassion
fatigue
is
not
a
mental
health
condition.
So
a
helping
professional
can
be
struggling
with
compassion
fatigue
and
have
depression
and
have
anxiety
and
have
you
know,
bipolar
disorder,
or
you
know
something
else.
However.
Burn
out
is
classified
as
a
condition
by
the
world
health
organization.
B
I've
worked
with
clients,
I've
signed
off
on
family
medical
leave,
act
paperwork
because
people
were
burned
out
like
april
was
saying,
I
think,
a
lot
of
time.
People
were
in
this
we're
in
this
mode
where
people
wear
their
hard
work
and
they're,
pushing
through
things
and
they're
being
strong
like
it's
a
badge
of
honor,
so
we
don't
always
listen
to
our
bodies.
We
just
go:
go,
go,
go,
go
until
we
burn
out,
anyone
can
experience.
Burnout.
B
Burnout
is
just
exhaustion
from
overworking
yourself,
and
so
this
could
be
the
the
entrepreneur,
the
chief
executive
operator,
who's
working
70,
80
hours,
six
seven
days
a
week
without
a
break
and
getting
four
or
five
hours
of
sleep
at
night,
and
that
saying
no
one
ever
died
from
lack
of
sleep
of
sleep
could
be
no
further
from
the
truth.
We
need
sleep
to
function,
you
make
yourself
susceptible
to
a
lot
of
illnesses
and
we're
still
in
the
middle
of
a
pandemic.
B
So
we
want
to
try
to
you
know,
build
healthy
immune
systems,
the
best
way
that
we
can.
So
that's
the
major
difference
between
you
know,
compassion,
fatigue
and
burnout.
What
I
will
say
is
a
lot
of
organizations
that
I've
been
working
with
have
really
when
we
talk
about
value
and
investing
in
their
staff.
B
They've
brought
me
in,
and
I've
done,
presentations
on,
compassion
fatigue
and
raised
awareness
about
it
and
talked
about
strategies
that
we
can
use
to
combat
that
a
lot
of
those
strategies
are
actually
grounded
in
mindfulness
and
and
grounding
because
because
it's
helping
professionals
we're
also
caregivers.
We
need
reminded
that
the
helper
needs
help
too
oftentimes.
You
know
I
hear
a
lot
of
my
colleagues
asking
well
who
helps
the
helper.
C
A
We
coach
april-
and
we
were
talking
yesterday
about
about
this
broadcast
about
this
conversation
about
work.
We
talked
about
this
idea
of
of
how
work
during
this
era
is
oftentimes
in
our
own
homes.
You
know
before
covert,
you
know
we
might
go
somewhere,
but
now
oftentimes
those
lines
have
been
blurred
and
and
we're
dealing
with
a
lot
of
this
stuff.
You
know
in
real
time.
Can
you
just
speak
about
about
those
realities
from
your
perspective
and
and
how
do
we?
How
do
we
help?
A
You
know
the
helpers?
I
think
that's
a
really
a
profound
concept
and,
and
I'm
wondering
how
we
should
think
about
it
and
approach
it.
C
C
That
was
just
so
powerful
yeah.
You
know
we
compartmentalize,
as
I
said
right
and
so
with
our
working
community.
We
have
those
that
go
to
work
and
you're,
able
to
and
you're
taught
to
leave
your
personal
life
at
home
and
come
to
work,
put
on
a
new
face,
put
on
a
new
coat
and
work,
and
in
in
doing
that.
It's
like
we're,
robots,
we're
automated
we're
supposed
to
be
producers
and
that's
pain.
That
can
really
hurt
what,
if
your
child
got
sick
and
you're
worried,
you
had
to
leave
them
at
home.
C
What
if
somebody
has
covet
and
they're
on
a
ventilator,
but
you
have
to
keep
going
to
work
and
you
can't
be
there
to
support
them,
so
their
minds
are
not
fully
there
and
although
they
might
do
the
work
and
they
might
perform
in
a
good
way,
that's
where
that
burnout
begins
to
come
in
that
burnout
is.
It
affects
the
body.
So,
even
though,
in
our
minds
we
can
deny
or
focus
on
another
area
of
the
brain
to
do
the
work.
C
We
are
definitely
not
working
at
full
capacity
and
when
you
get
back
to
that
space,
you
might
have
a
breakdown,
you
you,
you
might
fall
into
an
immobilized
state
depression.
You
might
try
to
escape
by
focusing
on
playing
video
games
all
day
or
on
your
phone
all
day
or
doing
a
behavior.
C
That
is
an
escapist
behavior,
and
so
that
mindset
hasn't
changed
so
much,
even
though
we're
working
from
home
and
so
now
work
has
come
into
our
house.
C
A
benefit
of
it
is,
maybe
you
have
more
autonomy
because
you
are
in
your
own
space,
so
you
don't
have
to
follow
the
rules
of
the
building
or
of
the
company
you
can
you
can
wear
your
work
from
home
clothes,
a
nice
shirt
and
pajama
bottoms.
You
can
eat
what
you
want
to
eat.
I've
I've
seen
clients
where
they
have
lost
20
pounds
because
they
finally
have
time
to
cook.
They
finally
have
time
to
go
for
a
walk.
They
couldn't
do
that
when
they
were
in
the
building
or
you
have
the
opposite
there.
C
They
were
in
such
a
ritual
and
such
a
routine
that
they
lost
their
identity.
They
they
lost,
who
they
were.
They
forgot
that
they
liked
to
to
paint
or
journal
or
or
do
things
that
sparked
their
their
their
love
and
their
passion.
And
so
I
just
read
an
article
today
about
this.
This
invitation
to
work
from
home
has
also
taxed
people
because
now
they're
working
harder,
so
people
managers,
directors,
they're,
like
oh
you're
at
home.
C
I
can
talk
to
you
because
I'm
on
my
computer
and
so
instead
of
working
an
eight-hour
work
day,
they're
now
working
16
hours
or
they're,
working,
24,
7.,
and
so
that's
kind
of
a
violation
they
were
saying
in
yugoslavia.
They
had
eight
eight
eight,
you
work
eight
hours,
you
leisure
for
eight
hours.
You
sleep
for
eight
hours,.
B
C
That
was
a
a
system
that
they
had
in
place.
Culturally,
one
of
the
the
major
financial
companies
in
america
they
have
been
upset
since
covet
has
happened
because
some
of
those
people
are
reporting
they're
working
for
95
hours
a
week
and
there's
just
no,
when
we
think
about
the
concentrated
pain
that
we've
had
with
coved
with
all
the
social
injustices
that
have
been
publicized.
C
C
C
A
Others,
so
I'm
wondering
what
a
new
normal
might
look
like
as
it
relates
to
this
work
and
community
and
our
own
personal,
you
know
journeys.
What
I
hear
you
all
saying,
and
certainly
it's
been
made
clear-
is
that
a
lot
of
the
old
normal
so
to
speak,
just
wasn't
working,
it
wasn't
working
for
a
lot
of
people.
You
know
the
realities
of
trauma.
A
A
What
would
a
new
normal
look
like
if
you,
if
you
could
call
if
you
could
speak
it
into
existence
and
then
in
particular
I'm
also
wondering
you
know
this
blend
of
the
personal
too.
You
know
what
does
this
look
like
professionally,
but
then
how
would
you
counsel
us
as
individuals
to
think
about
it.
B
I
think
the
first
word
that
after
also
hearing
april
speak
more
on,
that
is
the
word
that
comes
to
my
mind
is
integration.
I
know
we
we
all
subscribe
to
the
work
life
balance,
but
when
you
think
it's
hard
to
have
balance,
sometimes
it's
impossible
when
it
comes
to
work
in
life.
Because
really
are
you
going
to
devote
50
of
your
time
at
home
and
in
50
of
your
time
at
work?
And
then
you
feel,
like
you,
have
one
foot
in
here
and
one
foot
out
the
door
here.
B
You
just
feel
like
it's
like
a
tug
of
war,
you're
being
pushed
and
pulled
in
so
many
different
directions,
so
I'm
thinking
more
of
integration
with
this
pandemic.
While
it's
been
horrible,
you
know
personally,
I
suffered
huge
losses
during
this
pandemic,
but
there's
also
been
some
silver
linings
in
some
games
and
and
and
one
of
the
biggest
gains
in
silver
lining
is
you
know,
as
a
mental
health
therapist,
a
social
worker
we've
been
able
to
stay
connected
to
our
clients
via
telehealth.
B
The
insurance
companies
have
been
super
gracious
and
they
just
keep
extending
the
deadline
where
they
are
allowing
this.
These
telehealth
sessions
to
happen
initially
a
lot
of
our
clients
had
a
lot
of
anxiety
and
they're
like
no,
no,
no
way
I'm
getting
on
that
screen.
I
don't
think
I
want
to
do
that
I'll,
wait
till
we
go
back
into
the
office.
So
thinking
about
you
know,
what's
that
going
to
look
like
you
know
strategies
you
know,
how
do
you
help
the
people
that
you're
helping
pivot
and
and
get
used
to
this
new
way
of
life?
B
B
None
of
us
have
ever
lived
through
anything
like
this
before
so
you
know
just
just
helping
them
to
to
really
embrace
that
and
be
okay
with
learning
something
new
making
mistakes,
and
now
more
of
them
are
embracing
these
telehealth
sessions
and
it's
actually
working
out
better,
because
our
our
compliance
rate
is
a
lot
higher,
because
now
people
have
more
access,
they
can
use
their
phones.
They
also
allow
us
to
have
phone
sessions
that
we
can
build
for
if
people
aren't
comfortable
on
screen
and
transportation
is
not
an
issue.
B
Child
care
is
an
issue
because
you
know
it
would
be
an
issue,
especially
now
with
code
that
you
got
to
limit
the
amount
of
people
in
your
office.
We
we
have
a
nice
size
suite,
but
when
you're
thinking
about
you
know
gatherings
and
capacity
there
are,
there
are
only
so
many
people
who
can
be
in
that
office.
So
being
able
to
use
this
as
an
option,
I
think,
is
something
that
we
are
really
hoping
that
we
can
continue
to
integrate
in
our
practice
and
not
only
in
my
sessions,
but
in
my
speaking
engagements.
B
You
know
just
being
able
to
reach
more
people
with
these
services,
because
I
think
you
know
and
I'll
use
that
word
pivot.
I
know,
that's
that's
become
like
a
household
word.
We've
all
been
using
it.
Some
people
are
probably
tired
of
hearing
it,
but
it
really
is
the
word
of
the
year,
because
a
lot
of
us
have
bought
digital
services.
Now
look
at
us,
you
know
we're
we're
on
this.
B
The
zoom
call
and
we're
reaching
a
lot
of
people
we're
talking
about
how
we
can
be
helpful,
how
we
can
help
ourselves
how
we
can
navigate
through
trauma.
So
I
I
think
that
it's
important
that
we
continue
to
embrace
this
and
I'm
sure
at
some
point,
it's
going
to
be
safe
for
us
to
open
up
a
little
bit
more
and
have
larger
gatherings,
but
this
has
been
helpful.
This
has
helped
a
lot
of
people.
This
has
saved
some
lives.
C
Can
I
extend
that
reset
work-life
integration
and
that's
what
I've
been
talking
to
as
well
that
that
that
balance,
that
the
balance
is
a
scale
that
goes
up
and
down
right,
and
so
there
will
be
times
it's
heavier
on
one
side
than
the
other
and
when
you
think
of
integrating
something
taking
ownership
of
that
word
and
understanding
you
can
integrate,
and
you
can
bring
that,
like
your
employer
hired
you,
because
not
only
of
your
your
talents
and
your
skill
level,
there
was
something
in
that
interview
that
stood
out
to
them
above
everyone
else,
and
that
came
from
your
personality
that
came
from
your
person.
C
You
bring
something
to
the
table
and
so
bring
yourself
to
the
table.
Hey,
I
have
responsibilities,
and
I
want
to
I
need
to
take
care
of
my
child.
I
need
to
make
this
meeting.
I
want
to
sit
on
a
board.
I
want
to
do
community
service
and
something
is
simple.
When
we
talk
about
practices,
writing
out
what
your
priorities
are,
writing
out,
what
your
goals
are
journaling
checking
into
yourself,
giving
yourself
affirmations,
so
you
can
build
confidence
to
go
into
your
director's
office,
your
boss's
office
and
say:
hey.
C
Can
I
take
an
hour
off
every
day
to
to
do
whatever
abcd?
They
could
say?
No,
but
your
responsibility
isn't
to
make
them
feel
any
type
of
way.
Your
responsibility
is
to
yourself.
So
I
think
that
we
have
had
a
new
situation
and
a
new
way
of
working
and
now
we're
all
enlightened.
I
I
worked
with
a
vp
and
in
the
middle
of
the
pandemic
he
realized.
Like
my
gosh,
I
was
part
of
the
system
that
wasn't
allowing
the
employees
to
take
care
of
themselves
and
their
families,
and
he
acknowledged
it
he's
like
wow.
C
C
D
I
think
these
are
actually
such
great
points
because,
as
we
kind
of
spoke
about
yesterday
during
our
pre-convening,
I
think
people
are
finally
realizing
just
how
much
time
we
spend
engaging
in
labor
and
how
much
we
center
our
lives
around
our
work
and
so
to
hear
you
know
about.
I
think
you
said
it
was
yugoslavia
that
does
the
888
system
and
just
people
being
more
mindful
of
how
much
work
they
ask
other
people
to
engage
in.
D
I
think,
as
somebody
mentioned
earlier,
that
people
really
do
wear
like
their
fatigue
as
a
badge
of
honor,
and
I
would
love
to
see
people
kind
of
put
that
away
and
embrace
rest
and
wellness
and
kind
of
prioritize
themselves
and
and
just
living
instead
of
working,
because
we
spend
most
of
our
life
working
just
to
live
and
that's
just
to
survive,
as
we
mentioned
yesterday.
D
A
Yeah,
what
do
you?
What
do
you
all
think
about
this
idea
of
of
of
pivoting
I'll
I'll
I'll
say
it?
And
you
know
what
let
me
just
lean
in
very
quickly
and
honor
what's
been
said,
I
learned
the
term
pivot
because
of
basketball
and
that's
why
I
like
it
because
you
maintain
a
pivot
foot,
it's
a
way
to
prevent
yourself
from
traveling,
but
I
like
it
because
I
think
about
mindfulness
here.
In
order
to
successfully
pivot,
you
have
to
maintain
a
sense
of
grounding.
A
You
can't
switch
your
pivot
foot
in
in
basketball
without
it
being
a
violation.
So
what
you're
doing
is
you're
grounding
you're,
maintaining
a
sense
of
security
and
you're,
exploring
new
options,
maybe
you're
looking
for
a
pass
another
way
to
score
another
way
to
move
the
ball.
You
know
what
have
you
but
your
age
it
is.
It
is
a
position
of
agency,
even
though
you,
you
might
in
some
cases
be
limited
because
you
can't
just
dribble
and
take
off.
A
You
have
the
ball
and
so
you're
looking
for
an
option,
a
way
to
move
the
game
forward.
So
I
I
enjoy
the
the
term
pivot.
Because
of
that.
Thank
you
for
indulging
me
there,
but
thinking
about
this
idea
of
moving
from
surviving
the
thriving.
What
are
your
thoughts
there,
and
I
also
would
want
to
hear
we
talk
a
lot
about
work
and
the
realities
for
adults.
What
would
you
say
to
young
people
about
about
this
too,
and
how
would
you
counsel.
C
Them
I
can
start
and
then
I'll,
oh,
I
thought
charisse
is
under
me.
I'm
gonna
screen
a
high
five
so
for
young
people
and
and
I'll
I'll
use
an
example
of
a
an
unnamed
person
who
was
struggling
in
in
college
and
even
in
high
school,
just
struggling
to
like
get
good
grades,
something
as
simple
as
that
highly
intelligent
can
ace.
You
know
test
scores
personable,
but
you
know
had
traumas
that
had
happened.
C
C
Oh,
isn't
such
a
big
deal,
but
those
are
really
big
points
in
our
life
that
shape
us,
but
this
person
was
striving
to
do
what
their
parents
wanted
striving
to
do
what
society
felt
they
should
do
so,
I'm
gonna,
you
know,
study
engineering,
I'm
gonna
study,
you
know
and
take
all
these
science
classes
and
although
capable
and
smart
enough
to
achieve
in
these
classes,
didn't
spark
interest
in
their
soul,
and
so
it
took
a
while.
It
took
a
point
to
kind
of
like
fall
to
see.
C
C
So
maybe
you
just
need
a
job
to
pay
the
bills,
but
in
that
job,
what
part
of
that
job
sparks
that
for
you
is
it
engaging
with
with
people
find
something
in
your
job?
That
creates
that
for
you,
so
you
can
I
like
that
you
have
the
agency
to
create
that
space
for
you.
So
I
think
for
young
people,
that's
really
important,
because
in
finding
your
joy
and
your
happiness,
you're
giving
yourself
value,
and
once
you
know
that
no
one
can
take
that
away
from
you.
So
that's
my
suggestion.
B
Yeah-
and
I'm
just
you
know,
building
on
that,
I
think
I'm
huge
on
values,
whether
it's
with
you
know,
young
people
or
even
I
work
with
a
lot
of
adults
now,
just
really
being
grounded
in
your
values
and
with
with
young
people.
I
think
just
just
giving
them
permission
to
not
have
to
figure
everything
out
today,
not
feeling
like
they
have
to
carry
that
burden.
I've
been
seeing
a
theme
of
of
a
lot
of
over
functioning,
which
is
a
form
of
anxiety.
I
need
to
do.
Do
do
do
do.
B
How
can
I
keep
my
self
busy?
It's
it's
really
a
form
of
avoiding
it's
a
form
of
flighting.
When
we
talk
about
fight
flight
freeze,
so
I've
been
seeing
that
in
a
lot
of
you
know
some
of
the
teams
that
I
am
still
working
with,
where
they
are
over
performing.
They.
They
have
these
lengthy
to-do
lists
and
they
are
just
feeling
like
they
need
to
to
do
these
things
to,
for
whatever
reason,
whether
it's
to
please
their
parents
to
make
sure
that
they
are
getting
ready
for
for
college.
B
They
are,
you
know,
just
satisfying
some
requirement
that
they
are
finding
themselves
over
functioning.
So,
just
really
like,
I
think,
a
lot
of
what
april
said:
honoring
your
values
recognizing
what
they
are,
and
and
also,
most
importantly,
knowing
your
capacity
and
and
honoring.
That
too,
I
think
in
order
to
honor
our
capacity
we
have
to,
we
have
to
know
what
it
is.
A
Yeah
no
know
thy
self
right
to
to
use
these
experiences
and
and
the
traumas
and
these
tools
to
explore
you
and
to
understand
how
you
can
best
show
up.
I
think
that's
so
you
know
so
well
said:
let's
talk
about
resources,
you
know
I
hear
what
you
all
are
saying
around
the
importance
of
our
own
personal
journeys,
the
need
for
systems
change,
to
acknowledge
the
realities
of
trauma
and
to
study
about
it.
A
Where
can
folks
go
to
learn
more,
you
know
we
wanted
to
inspire
this
mindful
city
to
be
mindful
communities
and
mindful
existence
for
our
for
our
neighbors.
What
are
some
places
where
folks
can
go
to
to
learn
and
to
invest
in
their
own
practice
and
explore
and
increase
their
understanding
around
these
topics,
whether
it's
neuroscience
or
physiology
or
breath?
Whatever
the
case
may.
B
B
Well,
I
think
you
know,
as
far
as
you
know,
we
we
are
in
an
information
age.
I
don't.
I
don't
think
we
are
at
a
shortage
of
information,
and
you
know
with
this
pandemic
has
shown
us.
There
are
a
lot
of
great
resources
out
there.
There
are
a
lot
of
organizations
that
are
that
are
offering
complimentary
trainings.
I
know
university
of
pittsburgh.
B
School
of
social
work
is,
is
always
offering
trainings.
They
offer
a
lot
of
continuing
education
credits
to
helping
professionals.
I
know
the
school
of
education,
tied
with
the
university
of
pittsburgh,
is
having
a
mental
and
emotional
wellness
that
I'm
a
part
of
over
the
next
coming
months.
Where
we're
talking
about
different
topics,
trauma
mental
health
anxiety,
you
know
managing
intense
emotions,
those
are
the
first
there.
There
are
a
lot
of.
There
are
a
lot
of
books
that
I
absolutely
love.
B
If
you're
wanting
to
to
learn
about
trauma,
there
are
a
couple
books
that
come
to
mind.
I
think
the
body
keeps
the
score
by
vander
kulk,
it's
it's
like
it's.
It's
almost
like
the
blueprint
of
trauma.
I
think
anyone
who's
interested
in
trauma
would
benefit
from
the
body.
Keeps
the
score,
and
also
dr
nadine
burke
harris
she
does
a
lot
of
work
with
adverse
childhood
experiences
and
adverse
childhood
experiences
or
aces
or
those
those
adverse
childhood.
B
Traumas
that
a
lot
of
people
experience
in
their
childhood
that
often
get
minimized
and
don't
go
recognize,
and
there
are
longitudinal
studies
that
have
showed
that
these
these
unaddressed
and
unresolved
traumas,
they
follow
people
well
into
adulthood,
and
they
can
they
can
cause
chronic
medical
conditions.
You
know,
like
your
chronic
back
pain,
cardiovascular
issues,
the
copd
depression,
you
know
higher
suicide
rate
just
as
a
result
of
those
aces.
B
So
you
know
just
looking
on
looking
up
information,
adverse
childhood
experiences,
anything
that
nadine
burke
harris
has
done
in
the
book
by
vanderkirk,
I
think
or
or
awesome
it's
a
it's
a
great
way
to
to
get
started.
B
C
You
know
we
have
people
who
practice
and
we
are
not
supposed
to
know
everything
at
all
times
and
so
being
able
to
lean
into
support
is
really
really
important
and
yeah.
I
mean
there's
information
all
over
the
internet
now
and
there
seems
to
be
more
access
for
everyone,
and
you
know,
even
if
you
don't
have
a
computer,
go
to
the
library
and
do
research,
community
recreation,
centers
offer
classes
and
sometimes
they're
at
a
discounted
rate,
you
could
go
online
and
really
look
at
what
you
want
to
do.
Do
you
want
to
breathe?
C
Do
you
want
to
start
yoga?
Do
you
want
to
start
a
yoga
for
men's
class?
Do
you
want
you
know
you
want,
might
want
something
specific?
Do
you
want
to
start
playing
the
piano
there?
There
are
different
ways
to
explore
practices
that
can
help.
You
find
your
value.
So
I
would
suggest
doing
that
doing
your
research
and
talking
to
people
about
it.
You
never
know
like
a
co-worker
might
be
taking
a
class.
C
You
know
online
on
painting
and
there's
so
many
universities
and
non-profits
that
are
really
putting
stuff
out
there
and
now
that
it's
getting
warm
it's
warming
up
outside,
and
so
I
would
suggest,
too
that
everyone
invite
themselves
to
not
limit
be
limited
by
resources.
You
don't
have
money
to
do
something
luxurious.
You
know
some
people
think
resting
is
a
luxury.
It's
not
a
luxury,
it
is
a
human
condition.
It's
what
we
have
to
do
and
so
sit
down.
Take
a
nap
go
for
a
walk
in
the
neighborhood.
C
You
know
find
something
to
do
outside
that
doesn't
cost
any
money
exercise
can
be
a
walk,
get
a
jump.
Rope
just
move
your
body,
and
you
know
once
you
start
with
one
thing,
and
it
feels
good
to
you.
You
begin
to
do
it
over
and
over
and
over
again,
and
you
want
to
do
something
that
you
can
sustain
so
paying
a
few
hundred
dollars
to
go.
C
A
Yes,
I
love
that.
Please
go
to
the
parks.
If
you're
in
pittsburgh,
you
know
go
outside.
There
are
amazing
assets.
Very
close.
I
guarantee
you
to
where
you
are.
If
you're
in
the
city,
there's
gonna
be
an
event
outdoors,
a
socially
distanced,
coveted
protocols
in
place
event
riverview
park
this
saturday,
you
look
at
p3r.
Is
the
organization
that's
helping
coordinate
it.
Last
time
we
were
in
hazelwood,
there
was
yoga.
A
There
was
music
and
dancing
free
food,
a
lot
of
resources
for
community
members
and
just
a
nice
time
outside
I'll,
be
there
on
saturday.
If
you
want
to
come
you,
you
can
see
me
there
and
we'll
be
breathing
and
just
spending
time
together,
coach
april.
I
wonder
if
you
would
talk
to
us
about
a
book
that
you
recommended
to
me
called
my
grandmother's
hands.
C
That
book
is
so
wonderful,
I
I
don't
want
to
mess
up
his
name
wrestlima
and
what's
his
last
name.
C
Wrestlemania
and
you
can
follow
him
on
instagram
and
on
his
website,
but
my
grandmother's
hands.
It's
such
a
it's
a
very
beautifully
written
book
because
he
talks
about
how
we
are
all
under
this
white
supremacist
system.
We
all
are,
our
country
is
built
on
white
supremacy
and
the
violence
that
we
see
is
has
come
from
europe.
So
it
doesn't
matter
if
you
are
white
black
brown
asian.
It
doesn't
matter
where
you
are
in
america.
C
We
are
all
under
the
system
and
we've
all
internalized
this
system,
and
we
are
our
bodies
there,
there's
somatic
psychology
there's
just
the
bod.
The
body
tells
us
and
charisse
mentioned
a
few
books
about
that,
and
when
we
look
at
the
high
percentage
of
disease,
especially
in
black
and
brown
communities,
we
we
can't
deny
that
it's
stress,
and
so
he
lays
out
like
practical
information.
C
But
then,
at
the
end
of
every
chapter
he
gives
you
some
mindfulness
practices
that
you
can
engage
in
and
so
cherise
talked
about
compassion
fatigue,
which
is
like
second
hand
trauma
right.
So
he
will
ask
you,
maybe
in
a
chapter
to
recollect
a
story
that
created
trauma
for
you
and
then
in
that
give
you
a
grounding
practice
that
you
can
do
to
help
with
that.
So
that
book
is
a
really
wonderful
way
of
taking
theory,
history,
knowledge
and
building
that
bridge
to
practical
application
of
it.
C
This
is
how
we
can
start
the
healing,
because
I
don't
know
if
you
can
heal
when
you're
still
in
the
midst
of
trauma,
so
that
book
is
a
good
way
to
show
you
practices
that
you
can
use
to
take
care
of
yourself
in
the
midst
of
it
and
okay.
If
I
could
share
a
story
from
there
it's
so
it
was
a
cute
story,
but
like
he
and
his
brother,
you
know
spent
time
with
his
grandmother
and
one
day
she
whooped
them,
because
they
were
just
like
misbehaving.
C
She
spanked,
both
of
them
pretty
pretty
intensely
afterwards.
She
set
them
down,
and
you
know
a
lot
of
people
in
the
black
culture
have
had
this
experience.
She
sat
them
down
it's
like
do.
You
know
why
I
did
that
and
they
were
going
to
hurt
themselves
or
harm
themselves.
You
couldn't
agree
or
disagree
with
with
again
she
and
he
talks
about
that.
C
She
learned
how
to
spank,
because
that's
cultural
history
for
us-
that's
trauma,
that's
relived
over
and
over
again,
but
she
set
them
down
and
loved
on
them
afterwards,
and
so
he
talks
about
that
and
it's
just
a
beautiful
weaving
of
of
so
many
things
so
yeah.
I
suggest
that
book.
I
definitely
raise
a
hand
to
that
book.
A
Thank
you,
yeah,
I'm
looking
forward
to
getting
into
it
all
right,
my
friends,
let's
take
this
conversation
to
a
close.
I
could
spend
a
lot
more
time,
exploring
all
this
with
you
all.
Maybe
we
can
do
another
conversation
later
on
to
do
deeper,
dives.
I'd
really
really
welcome
that.
A
I
do
want
to
make
space
if
jordan
has
any
further
further
questions,
but
I
also
wanted
to
highlight
something
and
what
we've
been
talking
about
recently,
that
I
think
is
really
profound
and
then
I'm
going
to
leave
it
for
some
personal
encouragements
from
you
all
directly
to
those
that
might
be
watching
in
person
with
us
or
after
the
fact,
and
it's
this
idea
that
I
first
encountered
in
high
school
when
I
was
taking
like
coding
classes
and
I
didn't
pursue
that
as
a
career
path
or
anything.
A
So
it's
not
an
area
of
expertise
for
me,
it'll
be
a
liberal
arts,
major,
not
computer
science,
but
there
was
this
this
protocol-
maybe
that's
not
the
right
word
way
to
say
it,
but
like
this.
If
then
thing
that
you
would
set
up
in
coding-
and
it
was
a
way
to
tell
the
program-
you
know
if
you
encounter
this-
then
do
this,
and
and
that's
what
I
hear
when
you're
saying
this-
these
encouragements
for
our
personal
journeys
and
for
and
for
healing
and
community
like
so,
if
trauma,
then
this.
A
If
oppression,
then
this,
if
generational
poverty,
then
that
is
stress
then
that
and
there
the
the
then
you
know
the
the
recipe
for
how
you
go
about.
It
can
vary
based
on
each
person's
individual
interests
and
makeup,
but
we
want
to,
I
think,
encourage
people
that
there
there
is
recourse.
You
know,
even
in
the
midst
of
all
of
these
traumas
and
all
this
unfortunate
history
at
the
end
of
the
day
in
the
present
moment,
there
is
something
that
you
can
do
that
can
improve
something.
Maybe
it's
your
mental
state.
A
Maybe
it's
your
physiology.
Maybe
it's
your
sense
of
calm.
Maybe
maybe
it
is
systems
change.
Maybe
you
have
the
levers
and
the
policy
in
place
to
make.
You
know
massive
change
and
we
hope
that
you
do,
but
we
don't
want
people
to
get
stuck
with
the.
If,
because
I
think
sometimes
with
the
conversation
you
know
we
get
to
the
acknowledgement
of
trauma,
then
the
conversation
ends
and
now
we've
just
all
described
why
people
are
hurt
or
why
people
are
struggling
and
there's
not
a
then
sometimes.
A
So
that's
why
I
appreciate
talking
with
you
all
so
much
because
in
each
time,
even
though
we
talk
about
these
tough
concepts,
it's
a
you
can
then
do
this.
You
know
you
can
you
can
then
reground
yourself?
You
can
then
go
online
and
learn
more
about
it
and
stuff
like
that,
and
I
hope
that
more
folks
kind
of
integrate
that
into
their
rhetoric
around
these
issues,
so
that
folks
aren't
just
left
with
a
with
an
explanation
of
why
they're
in
trouble,
you
know
it'd
be
better
to
talk
about
ways
that
they
can.
A
D
A
Edifying
is
the
term
that
comes
to
my
heart
and
soul.
So
thank
you
all
so
much
but
jordan.
I
am
going
to
include
you
in
this
final
final
round
of
of
questions.
You
know
we.
We
started
this
conversation
with
this
acknowledgement
of
women's
history
month
and
I
just
wondered
if
each
of
you
as
black
women,
would
end
this
conversation
that
we're
having
with
an
encouragement
that
comes
to
your
heart.
A
This
can
be
to
the
an
individual
to
a
young
person
to
a
government
official
or
however
you'd
like
to
do
it,
but
I'll
start
with
coach
april
and
I'll
just
go
across
my
screen
to
charissa,
then
jordan.
Just
final
final
encouragements
that
come
to
your
heart.
C
I'm
thinking
of
two
things
resilience
we
all
are
here
because
we
have
been
resilient
and
we
all
have
that
in
us
and
so
that
that
spirit
of
resiliency
can
carry
you
a
long
way
and
the
dalai
lama
head
has
a
quote,
and
he
said
if
you
don't
believe
that
a
small
thing
has
power.
Think
of
a
mosquito.
What
one
mosquito
can
do
and
so
know
that
you
have
power
and
even
a
small
act
of
doing
something
for
yourself
creates
change.
So
I
I
take
that
into
myself,
and
I
speak
that
into
myself.
C
B
I
guess
I'm
thinking
about
this
theme
of
pain
and
suffering
across
the
board,
whether
it's
with
women
helping
professionals-
you
know
black
people,
people
of
color
and
just
anyone-
who's
lived
through
this.
This
pandemic
we've
been
almost
programmed.
You
know,
speaking
of
you
know,
white
supremacy
to
to
where
this
pain
is
a
badge
of
honor,
and
I
hear
a
lot
of
I
listen
to
a
lot
of
of
personal
professional
development
speakers
and
there's
this
theme
of
wearing
this
pain
again
like
a
badge
of
honor
and
sometimes
turning
it
into
profit.
B
And
how
can
you
make
it
work
for
you,
and
I
think
it's
important
that
we
take
some
time
again
to
honor
that,
because
we're
not
responsible
for
we
may
not
be
responsible
for
past
hurts
pain
and
trauma,
there's
nothing
that
we
can
do
to
change
that
it
happened
it's
in
the
past.
However,
we
are
responsible
for
our
healing
moving
forward
and
just
thinking
about
how
our
past
I
saw
this
quote
somewhere
and
it
just
really
resonates
with
me.
Our
past
is
a
place
to
be
learned
from
not
a
home
to
be
lived
in.
D
D
I
don't
even
know
how
to
follow
that,
but
I
think
for
me
thinking
about
rest
and
also
accountability.
I
think
throughout.
C
D
D
We
have
taken
on
a
lot
of
that
work,
and
so,
when
I
think
about
rest
personally,
I
hope
we
can
reach
a
point
where
we
understand
that
it
is
not
always
our
responsibility
to
save
everyone
else
from
situations
that
they
have
placed
us
in,
and
this
is
something
that
really
became
evident
after
the
last
presidential
election.
People
were
black
women
saved
america,
but,
like
all
of
this
stuff,
about
specific
people
in
our
community
coming
to
the
rescue.
A
D
Us
probably
being
the
most
negatively
affected
by
the
system
that
we're
trying
to
deconstruct,
and
so,
as
we
think
about
rest
and
wellness,
I
hope
that
we
can
center
ourselves
in
a
way
that
allows
us
to
take
a
step
away
from
that
work,
sometimes
because
it
cannot
always
be
on
us,
and
I
think
the
worst
part
of
that
is
that
we
rarely
get
credit
for
doing
that
work
anyway,
and
so
for
me,
it
is
understand
that
it
is
not
always
your
responsibility
to
save
the
day
amen.
Yes,
thank
you.
A
Well,
what
more
can
that
a
lot
quite
frankly,
but
for
today
I
think
that
is
certainly
a
great
note
to
end
our
conversation
on
april
charisse.
Jordan.
Thank
you
so
very
much
for
taking
the
time
to
have
this
conversation
with
us.
Thank
you
to
each
of
you
for
the
work
that
you
do
and
actually
real
quick.
Where
can
folks
find
more
information
about
you,
I'm
sorry?
Where
would
you
direct
them
to
learn
more
about
your
organizations
and
and
the
work
that
you
do
very
quickly.
C
So
I
coach
april
pj
on
social
media
that
would
be
on
instagram
april
coachalpj.com.
It's
a
website
that
I
have-
and
I
do
have
you
know,
with
open
up
pittsburgh
with
mecca
fitness
and
nutrition.
Those
are
resources
that
people
can
go
to
as
well,
but
yeah.
That's
the
ways
that
you
can
connect
with
me.
B
On
all
social
media
handles
facebook,
instagram,
twitter,
nan,
twitter,
charisse,
nance
s,
h
a
or
I
s,
e
n,
a
n
c
e.
Also
under
vitamin
c
healing
you
can
find
me
vitamin
c
healing
dot
com,
cherisence.com
and
also,
if
you're,
interested
in
mental
health,
counseling,
hih,
counseling.com,
oh
and
the
swag
awards
the
social
worker
appreciation
of
greatness
awards,
we're
we're
honoring
local
social
workers
for
their
work
and
for
servicing
the
community.
B
This
is
our
inaugural,
we're
we're
sold
out
and
we're
holding
it
virtually
this
year,
the
first
time
that
we
we
have
this
event.
It
actually
has
to
be
virtual.
We
got
canceled
last
year,
so
we're
doing
it
virtually
this
sunday
march,
28th
social
worker,
appreciation
of
greatness.
Please
look
out
for
that,
we'll
be
beginning
to
promote
for
for
next
year,
so
super
excited
to
honor
social
workers.
That's
awesome.
C
A
Terrific
okay,
so
thank
you
all
again
so
much
for
your
time.
We
also
like
to
say
thank
you
to
robin
for
spending
her
time
with
us
and
providing
additional
accessibility
very
much
appreciate
that
keep
an
eye
out
for
more
broadcasts.
In
fact,
our
next,
our
neighbors
keeper
will
be
tomorrow
we're
going
to
talk
about
trauma
with
folks
that
are
working
at
the
state,
regional
and
local
levels,
some
really
interesting
kind
of
puzzle
pieces
that
have
been
put
in
place.
A
You
know
research
and
tables
convened
with
the
governor
at
the
state
level,
a
bunch
of
local
work,
some
of
which
we've
explored
on
this
series
before
and
then
what
the
ongoing
conversations
are.
So
it's
a
related
conversation,
more
systemic
and
focused
and
the
beginning
of
a
series
there
as
well,
and
then
there
will
be
a
number
of
broadcasts.
A
You
know
in
the
future,
through
our
neighbor's
keeper,
the
office
of
equity
etc,
where
we
will
continue
to
try
to
set
a
table
to
explore
the
intersections
to
to
be
open-eyed
about
the
challenges
that
we're
facing,
but
also
talk
about
healing
talk
about
what
new
normals
can
look
like
talk
about.
You
know
what
society
community
our
city
can
look
like
in
the
coming
days.
You
know
in
weeks
so
very
excited
about
that
and
grateful
for
the
opportunity
to
engage
with
and
learn
from
so
many
amazing
folks.
So
without
with
that
we'll
say.