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A
A
Today
is
our
second
task
force
meeting
chip
chair,
Roberts
and
myself
are
glad
to
join
you
again
today
to
continue
this
important
topic
on
police
reform.
Prior
to
the
meeting,
you
should
have
received
several
documents
and
communications
to
give
you
an
update
on
where
we
are
just
some
housekeeping
initiatives
so
that
you
will
know
on
your
computer,
I
will
assume
in
the
lower
right
hand
side.
You
may
see
a
word
that
says:
reactions
under
reactions.
You
will
see
it
a
hand
and
a
thumb.
A
So
if
you
want
to
speak,
if
you
could
just
raise
your
hand
so
that
we
are
not
all
talking
at
the
same
time
and
you
will
be
acknowledged
and
provided
a
chance
to
respond,
the
meeting
is
being
recorded
and
minutes
will
be
taken
for
the
meeting
and
will
be
reviewed
and
posted
for
public
review
co-chair
Roberts.
Do
you
have
any
opening
remarks,
not.
B
D
D
A
B
B
F
G
A
Alright,
before
you,
you
have
bylaws,
we
go
through
them
quickly.
Our
primary
meeting
place
will
be
at
the
City
County
Building
for
one
for
grant
office
or
the
online
video
conferencing,
which
is
the
mode
in
which
we
are
meeting
today.
We
want
to
try
this
mode
out
to
see
how
efficient
and
efficient
it
is
for
the
group
to
talk
and
to
interact
under
a
local
number.
A
Two,
the
police
reform
task
force
may
be
comprised
of
volunteers
members
appointed
by
Mayor
Peduto,
although
no
specific
experience
requirements
shall
be
necessary
as
a
prerequisite
for
other
members,
special
consideration
would
be
given
to
Valerie
McDonald,
Roberts
and
Quentin
Bullock,
who
will
co-chair
the
police
reform
task
force.
Our
task
force
is
made
up
of
17
participants
from
various
background.
The
original
appointees
shall
be
appointed
until
the
conclusion
of
the
task
force.
A
Any
member
may
resign
at
any
time
by
giving
written
notice
of
such
resignation
to
the
police,
reform
task
force
and
mayor,
a
new
member
can
be
appointed
to
fill
any
vacancy
if
approved
by
the
mayor.
Our
regular
meeting
times
would
be
on
Mondays
from
4:30
to
6:30.
It
is
our
goal
to
meet
over
the
next
several
weeks
on
Monday.
A
All
other
meetings
shall
be
held
at
such
time
in
place,
as
shall
be
fixed
by
the
police
task
force,
which
we
will
talk
about
today
for
any
subcommittee
work
that
we'll
be
doing
in
between
our
regular
scheduled
meetings.
No
notice
shall
be
required
for
regular
meetings
of
the
police
reform
task
force,
for
which
the
time
and
place
have
been
fixed.
Special
meetings
may
be
called
by
or
at
the
direction
of
the
co-chairs
of
the
task
force,
written
or
other
method
of
notice
of
the
time
in
place
should
be
given
for
special
meetings.
A
Task
force
may
elect
an
appointed
vice
chairperson,
the
secretary
one
or
more
assistant
secretaries
and
other
officers
as
they
deem
necessary.
We
do
have
staff
that
is
working
with
us
that
will
be
taking
notes
in
minutes.
There
are
two
care
to
chairs
myself,
along
with
Valerie
Roberts
and
between
other
support
of
the
staff
in
the
co-chairs.
We
will
do
our
very
best
to
maintain
all
the
required
records.
I
number
four
miscellaneous,
the
members
and
officers
of
the
police
reform
tasks.
A
They
call
special
meetings
that
are
not
open
to
the
public
minutes
from
those
meetings
and
documents
requested
shall
be
long
but
do
not
need
to
be
publicly
recorded.
The
co-chairs
have
the
power
to
decide
which
meetings
can
be
closed
to
the
public
and
how
to
store
private
files.
Neither
members
nor
officers
shall
receive
any
salary
for
their
services.
The
police
reform
task
force
may
appoint
such
agents
and
staff
members
of
the
city
to
perform
such
acts
as
duties
on
behalf
for
the
police
task
force.
A
E
H
Can
I
just
ask
number
three
that
we
have
up
on
the
screen
there
under
article
4
I
understand
that
to
mean,
for
instance,
as
you
mentioned,
staff
members
of
the
mayor's
office,
who
are
helping
to
take
notes
and
such
that.
H
A
B
Sarah,
that's
going
to
be
important
because
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
information
that,
of
course
not
as
police
officers
are
in
public
safety,
we're
not
privy
to
we're
not
aware
of
so.
This
is
not
a
only
just
presentation.
This
is
discussion,
question
answer
and
a
chief
yeoman
had
committed,
as
well
as
the
mayor,
to
basically
any
person
that
we
need,
as
part
of
the
of
the
administrative
staff,
to
be
able
to
work
with
us
to
regenerate
this
report
of
recommendations.
Okay
with
that.
I
Angela
I
do
have
a
question
in
my
hand,
Valerie
had
mentioned
in
the
last
meeting
that
there
were
no
substitutions
permitted
at
meetings.
I
didn't
see
that
reflected
in
the
bylaws
and
then
a
quick
question
on
the
minutes
where
it
says
it,
they
don't
need
to
be
publicly
recorded.
Would
that
still
mean
that
minutes
are
publicly
available
if
requested
I
believe.
A
The
point
that
states
then
I
believe
that's
minutes
for
meetings
for
the
subcommittee
for
special
meeting
like
if
you
are
meeting
in
subgroups,
you
would
not
have
to
make
those
minutes
public.
Only
the
main
meeting
discussions
are
public
in
regards
to
a
substitute
that
is
correct.
Only
the
members
that
have
been
appointed
are
the
members
that
should
report
to
regular
meetings.
If
you
are
unable
to
meet,
will
update
you
prior
to
the
meeting,
to
keep
your
breasts
the
work
that's
being
done.
A
This
will
help
keep
everyone
engaged
and
I'm
going
to
call
it
other
questions
comments
and
please
raise
your
hand
any
time.
I
have
a
one
of
the
most
unique
accents.
I
sound
fine
to
myself,
but
I
know
I
have
a
Southern
drawl.
So
if
there's
anything
you're,
not
clearly
understanding.
Just
ask
me
to
repeat
myself
all
right.
Thank
you.
A
No
questions
on
the
bylaws.
Let's
move
to
our
Google
folder,
we've
received
lots
of
resources,
documents,
comments,
responses
from
all
team
members
and
to
ensure
you
have
a
chance
to
review
at
your
leisure
staff,
prepared
a
Google,
folder
and
I
sent
the
link
out
to
everyone,
and
we
will
update
that
folder
with
all
of
those
details
on
an
ongoing
basis.
A
So
at
any
time
you
can
refer
to
that
it
has
sub
sub
groups
which
are
support,
documents
for
other
documents
or
take
some
time
to
go
through
click
on
them,
and
you
will
be
able
to
see
those
documents.
That's
where
we
will
ensure
all
of
the
support
resources
are
made
available
for
the
entire
team
at
all
times.
A
A
A
A
A
There
will
be
a
website,
it
is
in
progress,
I
understand
that
it
will
be
set
up
and
post
it
later
this
week
and
as
soon
as
it's
as
soon
as
it
is
completed.
We'll
send
a
note
out
to
you
and
the
other
thing
that
I
didn't
mention.
We
did
receive
the
task
force
directory.
Did
everyone
get
a
chance
to
go
in
and
update
the
information?
So
the
information
that
you
provided
in
the
update
is
the
information
that
is
posted
for
our
viewers
to
also
see,
if
there's
anything
different.
B
Notice,
the
basically
I
do
want
to
emphasize
that
the
sooner
that
and
I'm
not
saying
do
it
too
quickly,
I'm
saying,
let's
not
stretch
for
a
year.
I
won't
be
here
for
another
year
doing
this,
but
the
sooner
that
more
expeditiously
that
the
forward
a
recommendation
report,
the
sooner
it
can
be
deliberated
upon
within
generating
the
if
there
is
any
cost
where
line
items,
switches
or
whatever
associated
with
this.
It
can
be
done
doing
the
budget.
The
liberation
process,
which
first
starts
in
the
mayor's
office
and
generating
the
proposed
budget.
B
Then
it
goes
to
City
Council.
It's
presented
formally
in
November
of
a
round
of
Veterans
Day,
and
then
it
goes
City
Council
for
debate
and
they
voted
it
vote
it
at
the
end
of
the
summer.
So
again,
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
a
report
of
recommendations
in
time
or
timely
enough
to
be
part
of
the
discussion
within
the
budget
process.
B
I
don't
know
October
around
October,
but
I
know
it's
presented
to
City
Council,
officially
in
November
in
November,
so
we're
looking
at
the
end
of
October,
beginning
of
November,
but
again
there's
a
lot
of
work
that
is
involved
in
generating
the
budget
within
the
office
of
the
mayor.
So
that
starts
actually.
That
starts
in
August
with
some
discussion
and
it's
intense
in
September
October.
A
A
A
A
A
A
Read
all
of
your
comments
should
say
we
read
all
of
your
comments
and
integrated
the
comments
into
into
the
document.
That's
labeled!
As
draft
there
were
several
questions
that
came
out
and
I
just
want
to
put
this
out
now.
I
know
there
is
an
express
interest
to
do
work
beyond
the
city
of
Pittsburgh.
A
It's
important
that
we
acknowledge
that
the
charge
came
from
Mayor
Peduto.
He
specifically
charged
us
to
look
at
police
reform
specific
to
the
city
of
Pittsburgh.
That
is
not
stating
that
there
are
not
similar
needs.
That
may
really
benefit
from
the
same
type
of
work,
but
that
is
not
our
choice.
However,
there
are
some
options
that
perhaps
can
follow.
That
is
number
one.
The
report
that
we
prepare
for
mayor
Peduto.
He
can
share
that
with
the
various
municipalities
for
their
review
and
to
see
are
there
elements
that
they
may
want
to
explore?
A
And,
yes,
he
does
have
many
relationships,
but
it
is
not
his
authority
to
guide
what
the
other
number
of
municipalities
or
engaging
in
with
policing.
So
all
focus
will
be
primarily
on
the
city
of
Pittsburgh.
The
other
request
came
in
on
school
public
schools,
police.
That,
too,
is
a
separate
governing
body
that
the
city
cannot
govern.
A
similar
option
could
be
that
we
share
many
of
the
ideas
that
are
coming
out,
that
they
may
see
or
beneficial
that
they
may
also
want
to
integrate.
A
C
K
Even
we
cool
down
in
this
process
because
every
time
we
talk
about
the
city
of
this
barrier
every
time
something
is
done
it
we
just
talk
about
the
city
of
Pittsburgh
and
we
don't
talk
about
the
outline
and
communities
that
are
affected
by
some
of
the
things
that's
going
on
in
the
city
of
Pittsburgh,
as
well
as
in
the
county.
You
know
we
we
will
be
following
really
sure
if
we
don't,
if
you
know
I
agree
with
you
know,
I
understand
it's
the
city
of
Pittsburgh
thing,
but
we
cannot
keep
doing
that.
K
We
keep
leaving
these
communities
out
of
it,
and
all
of
this
is
an
overflow
of
issues
that
have
one
morning
so
I.
You
know
I
hope
that
we
can
put
it
in
a
subcommittee.
At
least
you
know
so
that
we
can
share
with
those
outlying
communities
so
that
we
can
keep
them
abreast
of
what
we're
doing
so
that
they
can
hopefully
adopt
some
of
the
things
that
we
come
out
of
this
task
force.
You
know,
I,
really,
you
know
I
really
don't
want
them
left
out.
K
This
is
what
this
has
been
done
in
the
past,
since
I've
been
in
Pittsburgh,
we
keep
leaving
amount
and
then
then
you
know
we
get
this
overflow
thing.
You
know
with
violence,
and
that's
where
my
that's,
where
my
wheelhouse
is
dealing
with
the
violence
in
all
these
different
communities
and
I,
you
know
I,
just
don't
want
us
to
you
know
there
are
people,
that's
looking
at
us
that
want
us
to
help
and
I
think
that
we
we
got
a.
We
got
an
opportunity
here
to
address
this
issue.
L
A
hundred
percent
I
feel
like
it
needs
to
be
adopted
to
the
communities
outside
of
Pittsburgh,
because
it
there
is
such
an
outflow,
but
I
think
that
once
we
start
with
the
city
of
Pittsburgh,
once
we
start
putting
all
of
these
cops
in
our
city
accountable
that
it
that
will
out
flow
into
the
communities
also
because
the
police
are
feeling
it
right
now,
I
mean
everyone
feeling
it
right.
Now
this
isn't
a
joke.
We're
not
kidding
we're
not
stopping.
L
M
I'm
gonna
echo
that
and
I
understand
completely
Richard
your
concerns
and
I
agree.
Gentrification
has
really
changed
the
the
suburbs
and,
and
they
are
large
pockets
of
people
of
color,
some
of
the
suburbs
and
newly
others.
They've
long
been
that
way,
but
I
would
say
for
now
that
working
within
the
confines
of
the
city
of
Pittsburgh
is
probably
the
smart
thing
and
that
the
good
work
that's
done
through
this
committee
will
eventually
will
fan
out
and
we'll
find
a
way
to
these
communities,
be
it
that
they
want
they're
interested
in
the
information
that
is
available.
I
I
N
N
It's
completely
fine,
it's
a
hard
name,
and
so
I
I
agree.
That's
what
everyone's
saying
and
if
I
may
I
just
want
to
speak
some
life
and
what
we're
doing
right
now,
an
encouragement
that
the
actions
that
we
are
focusing
on
in
city
of
Pittsburgh
are
not
going
to
remain
stagnant
and
concentrating
on
outlying
cities
within
Allegheny
County
and
starting
with
Pittsburgh.
First,
these
actions
are
not
mutually
exclusive.
N
If
we
look
at
the
starting
the
foundation
of
freedom
house,
ambulance
services,
they
were
started
in
1967
on
the
hill
district,
the
historical
district
aka,
the
black
and
core
Hill
district.
Here
prior
to
them
being
started.
The
city
of
Pittsburgh
police
were
who
you
called.
If
you
had
a
medical
emergency,
they
were
not
trained.
They
were
just
the
people
that
you
call.
There
were
no
such
thing
as
the
ambulance
service.
N
It
wasn't
until
dis,
ambulance
service
was
started
by
black
Pittsburghers,
with
a
doctor
safer
from
University
of
Pittsburgh
that
the
entire
EMS
service
was
started
and
I
ricocheted
everywhere
it
became
how
we
handle
emergency
medical
services
all
over
the
country.
So
what
we're
doing
today
does
have
large-scale
potential
and
really
the
charge
on
us
is
to
make
sure
that
we
have
a
well-formulated,
strong
plan
that
can
be
executed
and
I.
I
really
do
believe
that,
once
we
do
that
here,
it's
gonna
create
change
all
around
and
hopefully
in
different
states
as
well.
O
Yes,
thank
you,
I'm
sympathetic
with
what
Richard
wants
it's
very
clear
that
our
social
problems
are
problems
with
police,
don't
respect
the
boundaries
that
were
drawn.
However,
many
years
ago
we
do
have
a
jurisdictional
limit
on
what
we
can
actually
recommend
for
our
mayor
to
do,
but
I
thought
Bobby
watt
geared
in
her
reply
and
email
to
Richards
comment
when
it
came
I
think
the
end
of
last
week
was
really
instructive.
O
O
I
wish
there
were
a
way
at
this
point
to
include
more
of
the
outlying
jurisdictions,
but
we're
gonna
have
our
hands
full
with
what
we
have
be
it
artificial
boundaries
or
not,
and
I
think
we
should
use
the
report
to
point
the
direction
for
those
other
jurisdictions
that
we
can't
order
to
do
anything
or
recommend
to
do
anything.
That
would
be
a
good
use
of
what
what
of
the
platform
we
have.
Thank.
L
With
that
one
last
thing
I
just
want
to
let
you
guys
know
too.
There
has
been
mayor.
I
mean
the
mayor
of
Dormont,
the
mayor
of
Mount
Lebanon
have
both
reached
out
to
me
to
pull
in
their
community.
The
residents
in
those
communities
have
actually
created
their
own
task
force
on
not
only
police
reform
but
ways
that
they
can
educate
people
in
their
community
about
black
culture.
A
J
J
I
would
echo
the
sentiments
and
hope
that
the
mayor
would
commit
to
advocating
for
anything
that
he
sees
fit
to
change
here
in
the
city
of
Pittsburgh
beyond
those
lines
and
I
would
challenge
the
task
force
to
also
think
outside
of
the
confinements
that
currently
exists
and
I'm,
hoping
that's
what
we
are
doing
in
this
work
period
as
we're
moving
forward
that
we're
thinking
outside
the
confinements
that
currently
exists
in
creating
a
world
that
we
think
is
best
and
a
part
of
that
is
just.
For
instance,
there's
been
talks
about
Universal
training.
J
J
So
we
somehow
can
get
to
having
universal
policies
in
Allegheny
County,
and
so
that
is
something
that
crosses
the
line
of
the
city
into
the
county
and
as
far
as
this
school
different
for
the
school
district
is
concerned,
the
state
requires
that
every
school
district
have
a
member
under
Memorandum
of
Understanding,
with
the
local
police
department.
Right
now
coming
up,
I've
been
in
the
school
board.
J
Meetings
is
the
current
Memorandum
of
Understanding
between
the
Pittsburgh
Public
School
in
Pittsburgh
police
and
it's
problematic,
and
so
that
is
where
they
intertwine
when
it
comes
to
policing
and
so
there's
really
not
this
complete
long.
There's
a
line
drawn
that
everybody
is
I'm
talking
about.
There
really
is
a
lot
of
intertwining
between
the
two
entities
when
it
comes
to
the
way
they
police,
the
children
in
school,
and
so
I
would
like
us
to.
You
know
think
about
that.
B
Like
to
say
that
for
the
staff
and
staff,
please
understand,
if
there's
an
issue
that
is
technical
or
part
of
City
process,
just
chime
in
particularly
if
I'm
talking
about
the
budget
and
I
have
the
wrong
base
just
just
I'm
on
in
there.
But
as
far
as
that
memorandum
understanding,
if
that
is
indeed
part
of
our
relationship,
we
need
to
have
that.
We
need
to
be
able
to
review
that
I'm
sure
it's
a
public
document,
so
it
can
be
put
on
we'll
drive
for
everyone
to
see,
and
we
can
have
that
as
soon
as
possible.
D
Just
chiming
in
very
quickly
the
MOU
that
miss
Fisher's
rep
is
referencing
is
still
under
review
and
in
revision.
There
is
a
document
that
the
PPS
Board
had
was
going
to
look
at
at
their
next
meeting,
but
has
pulled
it,
but
we
can
absolutely
give
the
staff
excuse
me,
give
them.
Members
of
this
task
force
an
opportunity
to
look
at
that
MOU
and
it's
still
being
drafted
and
has
to
be
accepted
by
both
lawyers
on
our
side
and
PPS
aside.
But
we
can
absolutely
make
that
available
to
to
this
group
for
an
internal
document.
B
A
B
B
However,
I
agree
totally
with
many
that
have
said
that,
whatever
doctor
we
have
is
going
to
probably
be
a
template,
it's
going
to
be
in
an
obvious
and
automatic
template
for
any
and
all
other
municipalities
with
police
forces.
It
doesn't
shove
it
down
their
throat,
but
they
will
be
taking
a
look
anything
that
the
city
puts
out.
Believe
me,
129
other
municipalities
and
attention
it's
automatic,
so
the
mayor
doesn't
have
to
do,
but
so
much
except
put
it
out
there.
B
The
other
thing,
the
other
thing
is
as
far
as
the
other
municipalities
I
would
want
to
urge
committees.
Let
me
just
be
clear:
Pittsburgh
the
pittsburgh
police
force
is
probably
one
of
the
finest
in
the
region.
It
has
had
a
lot
of
tweaks
a
lot
of
scrutiny,
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
changes
over
the
years
we,
the
pittsburgh
police,
probably
are
further
ahead
than
some
other
municipalities.
So
I
don't
want
our
deliberations
and
committees
to
get
bogged
down
with
everybody
else's
problems
that
really
don't
impact
the
city
well,
we'd
be
wasting
time.
B
I
want
to
em
I
want
to
focus
on
the
city
where
we're
at
and
where
we
need
to
go
what
we
need
to
fix,
what's
wrong,
what's
right
and
use
that
as
our
base.
If
we
inject
too
much
of
a
hundred
and
twenty-nine
other
municipalities,
we're
gonna
get
bogged
down
and
we're
not
gonna
be
able
to
clean
up
our
own
house.
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
we're
clear
on
committee
deliberations.
N
I
I
lowered
my
hand,
but
I
can
I'll
come
back
to
that
when
we
get
further
down
the
line
items
all
right.
Thank
you.
Yeah.
A
A
A
Police
now
respond
to
persons
in
mental
health
crisis
reallocate
to
specialized
squads
or
civilian
skilled
in
Social
Work
and
mental
health
issues.
Example,
in
practice,
similar
to
what's
going
on
in
Oregon
Portland
Oregon,
there
kahoots
program
commit
to
moving
police
responsibilities
away
from
police,
along
with
police
funding,
commit
to
funding
new
or
existing
units
to
take
up
these
responsibilities.
A
Some
other
social
services
could
be
hounded
by
existing
entities
like
operations,
safety,
net
mercy.
Behavior
then
acknowledge
difficulties
in
times
needed
for
the
transition.
So
let's
discuss
this
first
portion
on
the
re-examining
how
current
practices
or
being
related
in
police
does
this
area
cover
all
of
the
key
components
that
we
think
are
important
and.
E
A
H
So
I
think
that
this
is
really
key.
It's
a
it's!
The
discussion
that's
been
happening.
I
know
in
like
a
lot
of
communities
across
the
nation.
At
this
point
is
what
are
we
putting
on
our
police
officers?
What
are
we
expecting
of
them
and
what
are
we
training
them
to
do
and
then
what
are
they
actually
doing
when
they're
out
on
the
streets,
and
so
I
think
this
is
critically
critically
important,
I?
Think
right
now
we
have
a
good
sort
of
general
sense.
A
And,
what's
the
thought
of
to
ensure
everyone
gets
a
well-rounded
understanding
of
what
those
responsibilities
are
by
inviting
police
chief
in
to
talk
to
the
group
to
give
an
overview
or
to
you
mention
a
name
for
another
national
renown
speaker
this
morning?
Would
he
be
appropriate
for
that
or
whether
it'd
be
best
for
local.
H
Well,
I
think
we
need
to
know
how
we
I
think
if
we
brought
in
someone
nationally,
who
could
speak
to
how
other
cities
have
done
this
and
are
looking
at
this.
It
would
be
super
helpful,
but
I
think
we
of
course
need
someone
from
either
the
chief
of
police
or
someone
else
in
the
city
who
can
say
here
are
all
of
the
different
resources.
We
have
all
the
different
offices
we
have.
H
A
That's
very
clearly
not
my
opinion.
Yeah
and
one
of
the
items
on
the
action
steps
is
to
identify
speakers
to
come
in
for
future
meetings
and
we
can
incorporate
them
in
the
order
that
that
we
want
and
I
think
hearing
firsthand
from
our
police
department
would
be
very
helpful.
We
did
provide
on
the
in
the
Google
folder
the
organizational
chart
for
Pittsburgh
Bureau
police,
so
you
can
also
look
at
that
breakdown
to
get
a
feel
of
the
complexity
of
the
system
in
preparation
for
when
the
representative
speak
other
I'm.
Sorry,
mr.
P
Yap
yeah
sorry,
dr.
Bullock
I,
agree
with
everything
that
Sharon
was
saying
on
this
topic.
This
is
sort
of
a
big
piece
of
reimagining
and
rethinking
how
our
police
force
serves
the
people
as
it
pertains
to
you
know.
One
of
the
things
I
wanted
to
raise
was:
how
do
we
get
more
informed
around
this
particular
subject
beyond?
P
Some
of
the
services
that
are,
you
know
had
been
done
in
recent
years
more
recent
years
by
police
and
have
redirected
those
towards
more
Social
Services,
whether
it
be
homelessness,
whether
a
drug
addiction
or
mental
illness.
What
have
you?
The
other
thing
that
I
wanted
to
raise
too
is
I,
mean
as
I
understand
it.
There
are
some
services
here
locally
that
do
a
little
bit
of
this
resolve
is
one
that
I'm
aware
of
in
the
kits
run
by
the
county.
P
Having
said
that,
I'm
also
I've
also
heard
that
they
are
underfunded
and
so
I
think
our
ability
to
consider
you
know
funding
and
what-have-you.
P
You
know
how
much
can
be
redirected
and
what-have-you
should
be
considered,
is
mobile
hearing
from
folks
where
there's
been
successes
and
hearing
from
folks
who
maybe
do
some
some
of
this
to
a
degree
locally
and
hearing
the
challenges
that
they
have
I
think
might
be
helpful
to
us
figuring
this
out
and
just
understanding
also
how
9-1-1
calls
our
kiost
and
what-have-you
some
of
the
hurdles
that
the
and
what's
been
done
well
and
some
of
the
learning
lessons
they
had
when
they
were
implementing
this
okay.
A
A
O
Yes,
I'm
glad
to
speak
after
Nathaniel,
particularly
because
he
hits
on
a
very
important
idea.
We
have
to
as
part
of
our
work,
make
sure
that
we
look
at
the
funding
piece
and
speak
very
strongly
about
that,
because
one
of
the
things
that
I've
seen
as
I've
looked
at
programs
like
that
over
the
country,
even
the
successful
ones,
often
are
the
first
place
that
a
city
will
want
to
cut
when
budgets
are
lean.
I
also
wanted
to
throw
in
at
this
point
that
there
are
all
kinds
of
models
for
this
there
are
hybrids.
O
O
You'd
have
them
going
out
with
a
Social
Work
team
I
mean
I'm,
not
endorsing
one
approach
over
the
other
I'm
just
saying
there
are
all
kinds
of
ways
to
do
this,
but
looking
at
the
full
scope
of
what
police
do
and
deciding
where
are
our
opportunities
to
get
better
service
for
our
communities
that
really
does
protect
and
serve
and
reserving
police
for
when
we
really
need
it?
That's
the
the
grand
point.
I
think
this
is
a
real
opportunity
to
do
that.
Thank
you.
Thank.
K
A
K
So
I
mean
I
agree
with
everything
that
everybody's
saying
again.
We
have
some
very
strong
people
here
in
the
city
of
Pittsburgh
that
we
overlook
all
the
time
about
different
things
that
they're
doing
not
only
in
in
the
city
of
Pittsburgh
in
County
and
the
first
thing
that
we
always
talk
about
that
I
see
that
people
do
is:
let's
go
to
this
person
a
million
miles
away
from
Pittsburgh
to
give
us
an
idea
on
some
of
the
things
that's
needed
to
be
done.
K
We
forget
about
the
people
that
are
right
here
in
Pittsburgh
in
Allegheny
County
that
are
doing
good
work
and
we
overlook
them
all
the
time
and
I'm
not
trying
to
be
combative
or
anything
like
that.
I
just
see
us
keep
doing
that
and
all
the
years
that
I've
been
here
that
we
always
overlook
a
lot
of
the
good
work
that
people
are
doing
here
Pittsburgh
and
they
are
the
experts.
They
know
they
know
Pittsburgh
like
the
back
of
their
hand,
and
they
are
doing
some
great
things
in
the
community.
A
Mr.
Garland,
you
will
help
us
identify
those
individuals
to
bring
forth
recommendations
for
them
to
speak
to
the
group.
I'm
just
I'm
sure
it's
not
the
intent
of
members
to
overlook
any
of
our
experts
of
you,
aware
of
persons
that
we
should
invite.
Please
bring
forth
their
name
and
we
will
follow
up
with
them
accordingly,.
M
There
are
police
work
in
cities
across
this
country
and
I
think
we
should
be
open
to
speak
into
them,
finding
out
who's
doing
what,
where
you
bring
it
here,
if
you
like
it
and
you
customize
it
and
you
make
it
your
own,
because
Richard
is
right,
this
is
Pittsburgh,
it
has
to
suit
who
we
are
and
what
we
do
here,
but
the
framework
can
come
from
can
come
from
across
the
ocean.
If
that's,
if
that's
what
works
and
in.
L
Tibet,
what
Richard
is
saying
also
there
are
a
lot
of
I
mean
a
lot
of
trained
mental
health
professionals
in
the
city
of
Pittsburgh.
My
full-time
job
is
assisting
individuals
who
have
high-functioning
autism,
so
I
mean
there
are
people
here.
I
mean
look
at
this
task
group
that
the
mayor
forum
that
he
threw
together
towards
police
reform.
L
You
know,
maybe
that's
something
that
we
need
to
try
to
add
on
the
work
that
the
police
is
a
group
of
people
who
are
trained
in
mental
health
and
are
trained
in
all
these
other
areas
in
see
how
that
does
put
them
along
with
the
police.
Do
ride-alongs
do
things
like
that
create
some
form
of
training
for
them
along
with
police,
so
that
they
know
how
to
work
together.
I
mean
this
I
agree
with
Richard.
There's
things
that
we
can
do.
L
We
could
reach
up
to
social
workers
in
all
different
kinds
of
people
in
the
city
of
Pittsburgh.
I
mean
young
people
like
me
who
a
lot
of
my
friends
are
social
workers,
and
they
said
the
same
thing.
You
know
I'd
love
to
volunteer,
along
with
the
police
force,
to
be
able
to
educate
them
about.
You,
know
mental
health
and
all
the
different
avenues
of
how
to
deal
with
it
and
how
to
de-escalate
situations.
M
I
think
it's
both.
You
know.
We
have
folks
here
who,
for
years,
have
been
in
the
business
of
domestic
violence.
We
have
right
on
this
committee,
the
YWCA
and
also
the
Women's
Center
and
shelter,
and
it
would
be
great
to
have
representatives
from
those
organizations
perhaps
talk
to
talk
to
the
committee
about
their
particular
areas
and
and
what
perhaps
they
know
is
going
on
in
different
parts
of
the
country
or
maybe
right
here
under
our
own
nose.
And
we
don't
know
about
the.
B
Dr.
clean
having
dr.
doors,
not
swim,
not
win,
bullet
and
cetera
and
Lindsay,
because
I
know
the
city
has
a
number
of
contracts
with
a
lot
of
nonprofits
and
social
service
agencies.
I,
don't
know
how
they're
structured
within
the
police
or
whether
it's
separate
how
they're
working,
but
would
you
be
able
to
generate
a
listing
of
who
already
works
with
the
city
so
that
we
can
layer
on
according
to
what
the
task
force
is
recommending?
B
Maybe
there
are
some
entities
that
need
to
also
be
at
the
table
to
be
could
present
but
I'd
like
to
see
again
I
hate
to
keep
going
back
to
the
same
thing,
but
we
have
to
know
we
have
to
pay
where
a
baseline
is.
We
have
to
establish
our
baseline
before
we
can
move
forward.
Otherwise
we
waste
time
so
I,
don't
know
what
the
baseline
is.
Can
you
all?
Oh
yeah,.
D
So
Valerie
this
is
Lindsay
I'm
happy
to
put
that
list
together.
I
did
want
to
remind
the
task
force
that
the
city
is
in
the
process.
Myself
and
other
members
of
the
policy
team
in
the
office
of
equity
are
in
the
process
of
building
the
Office
of
Community,
Health
and
Safety,
which
looks
like
model
is
very
similar
to
cahoots,
as
well
as
Camden
New
Jersey,
but
as
we
have
something
more
formal
to
bring
to
bear
and
happy
to
do,
maybe
a
internal
meeting
with
the
task
force
to
get
their
initial
thoughts
and
reactions.
D
A
Good
point:
let's,
as
a
immediate
first
step,
let's
just
use
this
as
one
of
our
first
assignments
committees
that
we
assign
to
a
subgroup
I
begin
to
work,
details
specific
to
unbundling,
reexamining
reallocating
police
services,
which
members
would
like
to
to
serve
I
would,
as
I
see,
Patricia's
left,
which
hand
is
up
I,
see
two
hands
who's
the
other
hand,
Camille
Redmond
and
I.
Ask.
A
H
A
E
N
N
I
A
I
A
A
Uspa
uses
use
of
force
should
change,
but
even
if
they
don't
police
use
of
force
can
change
their
someone's,
putting
a
document,
accountability
and
transparency,
the
bit
rocks
for
better
or
worse,
which
is
focusing
on
the
culture,
change
personnel
components
and
then
eliminate
racial
profiling
and
racial
injustice
in
policing,
routine
enforcement
has
been,
has
been
and
continues
to
be.
Disproportional
requires
data
collection
data
over
six
months
or
a
year
to
independent
analysis.
The
partners
analysis
to
include
examine
examination
for
racial
disparities
and
if
they
appear
explanations
that
can
be
reported
to
the
council.
A
N
Training
with
Israeli
Special
Forces
would
that
go
under
use
of
force
or
because
I
see
that
some
of
what
we're
talking
about
could
probably
integrate
well
into
each
other.
But
if
no
one
didn't
know
that
Pittsburgh
police-
that's
trained
with
Israeli
Special
Forces
for
tactics
using
counterterrorism
and
I,
definitely
think
that
that
is
part
of
the
reason.
Why
they're
such
really
harsh
things
that
are
done
to
protesters
like
the
cattle,
the
catching
cattle
method,
which
is
a
standard
Israeli
practice?
And
it's
something
that
needs
to
be
addressed?
It's
dangerous.
N
A
N
I
mean
I
think
it
would,
but
at
the
same
token,
I
think
it's
a
separate
relationship.
I'm,
not
certain
I
know
that
Mayor
Peduto
did
speak
about
that
relationship
being
reviewed,
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
enough
about
their
training
policies
to
know
if
that's
a
standard
practice
or
if
it's
a
new
addition.
A
N
O
Lot
of
the
items
that
are
listed
under
policy
actually
could
go
under
one
or
the
other
of
the
other
topics
they
pertain
to,
for
instance,
whistleblower
projection
or
speaking
out
against
police
brutality.
Fellow
officers,
those
might
go
under
accountability,
so
I
think
one
useful
thing
might
be
to
go
through
these
at
some
point
now
and
decide
where
they
fit.
N
Q
I
do
agree
that
the
policies
that
relate
to
the
subset
should
be
aligned,
those
subs
the
topical
subsets,
because
those
folks
will
be
diving
most
deeply
into
those
issues,
whether
it's
use
of
force
or
whether
it's
training,
and
so
those
policies
should
be
aligned
with
that.
Plus
there
are
so
many
different
sections
of
this
I.
Don't
think
we
have
enough
committee
members
to
work
in
subcommittees
if
we
keep
them
all
separate,
separated.
B
Suggestion
also
because
this
is
quite
expensive
and
again
the
policies
as
far
as
review
and
reform
and
accountability.
Those
really
are
a
lot
of
the
crux
of
the
problems
in
any
police
force
and
we
do
need
a
preparation
and
a
dialogue
to
see
where
we're
at
and
what
we
need
to
recommend
to
fix
things
again.
That's
what
this
about!
Do
you
mind
if
we,
as
code
and
staff
kind
of
this,
is
kind
of
like
everyone's
ideas
just
put
in
here
at
one
time,
but
as
far
as
structuring
it?
B
A
Like
to
hear
any
task
force
members
recommendation
on
their
first
observation
and
then
whatever
is
not
done,
we
can
do
some
further
work,
so
it
acts,
but
it
expedites
our
our
efforts,
I'm
not
able
to
see
the
notes
as
they
pop
up.
So
if
you
could
just
respond,
I
see
dr.
Reynolds
your
hand
raised
up
yeah.
A
O
O
H
And
then
separately,
I
feel,
like
I,
saw
this
on
here
somewhere,
but
now
I,
don't
see
it
as
officer
wellness,
so
I
think
we.
We
need
to
be
looking
at
what
we're
doing
for
mental
health
and
other
wellness
issues
for
our
police
officers
and
making
sure
they
have
the
support
that
they
need
and
I
actually
think
that's
a
very
big
issue.
We
should
be
looking
at
so
I.
N
H
B
Think
we
need
to
separate
out
the
recruitment
we
we
do
need
diversity
in
our
workforce
and
it
seems
like
the
education
and
workforce
training
component
is
involves
a
lot
of
history.
Public
schools
and
outreach.
We're
gonna
have
to
re-identify
that,
because
we're
talking
about
existing
police
versus
recruitment,
so
the
education
and
workforce
training
right
now
is
becoming
a
bit
muddled.
B
A
The
intent
of
how
it's
how
it
is
written
is
just
given
some
examples
of
programs
in
preparing
awareness
and
education
foundation
for
persons
who
may
be
interested
in
pursuing
a
career
in
policing
or
related
field.
That's
the
work
force
education
that
it's
its
reach,
someone
early
or
someone
who
wants
to
transition
into
a
field
of
study
to
offer
that
as
an
option
early
on
so
I
think
as
its
described
it
does
have
its
appropriateness
there.
Others
can
disagree
if
you
think
I'm
off
track
on
that.
We.
A
That's
different:
this
is
talking
about
high
school
students
is
talking
about
special
programs
where
they're
exposed
to
careers
in
preparation
to
get
into
the
training
cuz.
You
can't
get
into
the
training
unless
you've
earned
some
college
credits
and
there's
a
few
other
things
that
they
have
to
do.
It's.
A
B
That's
your
we're
on
the
same
page.
It's
just
that.
I
know
that
the
bullet
points
public
safety
training
program
for
Western
Isles
high
school.
He
is
not
workforce
training
for
established
city
of
Pittsburgh
police.
So
that's
why
I'm
saying
that
people
are
saying
put
something
under
education,
workforce
training,
but
that
particular
those
three
bullets
are
really
connected
to
recruitment
and
schools.
It's
not
related
to
exist,
I'm!
Sorry,
okay,
so
that's
one
I
think
those
three
points
outreach.
L
B
A
B
B
A
B
A
A
E
A
N
It
Christina
second
point
and
bottom
line
that
support
yeah,
I
stink
tag
for
unbundling
and
re-examining
police
services.
We
would
be
an
actual
list
of
what
exactly
it
is
that
the
police
are
expected
to
do.
I
think
we
know
some
of
it,
but
there
are
other
jobs
that
they're
called
for
that.
We,
as
the
public
may
not
know
that
need
to
be
addressed.
A
Right
and
and
that's
that's
can
be
further
discussed
with
the
subcommittee
to
add
any
elements
to
that.
This
was
just
trying
to
help
us
get
some
categories,
so
we
can
break
out
here.
I
did
hear
earlier
that
we
are
going
to
put
the
policy
on
the
use
of
tear
gas
and
the
policy
on
the
band
of
I'm.
Sorry,
the.
M
O
B
O
N
I
just
want
to
say,
though,
that
where
the
money
goes,
everything
else
follows
I
think
we
all
know
that,
and
so
there's
gonna
be
some
overlap,
regardless
with
use
of
force
and
accountability
and
transparency
and
everything
else.
Would
they
come
son?
Bundling
I
mean
not
that
I'm
saying
we
should
combine
them,
god,
no,
we'll
never
leave,
but
there
is
going
to
be
some
overlap.
I
heard
that
a
separate
committee,
you
mean
a
separate
subcommittee
that
only
focuses
on
these
things.
A
H
H
A
Has-
and
it
also
has
policy
on
vacation
so
I
feel.
A
E
B
Believe
me
that's
the
crux
of
a
lot
of
stuff
this,
but
can
we
make
sure
that,
as
we
deliberate
on
the
other
committee,
racism
is
always
going
to
be
infused
in
that
discussion?
I
think
that
we
also
need
to
make
sure
that
what
comes
out
of
the
committee
about
racial
profiling
and
racial
injustice
is
also
a
part
of
another
committee.
I'm
not
saying
that
committee
structure
should
be
at
every
other
committee
meeting,
but
there
needs
to
be
a
way
that
it's
always
brought
it
to
the
fore.
O
I
agree:
I
think
it
should
be
separate
and
I
would
just
call
your
attention
to
the
fact
that
it's
more
than
a
training
issue,
the
Pittsburgh
Police,
have
had
some
of
the
best
existing
training
in
implicit
bias.
Over
the
last
three
to
four
years,
I
I
witnessed
some
of
it.
I
sat
in
I
took
notes,
I
reported
back,
and-
and
it's
got
to
be
more
than
that,
because
there
are
still
data
that
indicates
it
is
still
going
on
at
some
level
and
the
the
the
material.
O
That's
in
this
particular
piece
of
draft
number
two
calls
for
gathering
data
so
that
there
can
be
some
accounting
for
this,
so
that
there
can
be
some
decisions
about
whether
progress
is
being
made
or
what
is
really
happening.
So
I
think
it's
a
separate
thing
and
I
think
it's
more
than
just
training.
Thank
you.
A
B
E
A
A
N
P
L
L
Is
that
I
feel,
like
you
know,
when
a
police
officer
does
something
wrong?
You
don't
hear
much
about
it.
You
don't
hear
you
know
with
there's
officers
that
get
fired
all
the
time
that
we
never
know
about
under
misconduct
and
I
feel
like
there
should
be
a
little
bit
more
transparency
between
you
know:
they're
disciplined
in
the
community
that.
A
A
K
You
know
the
Fraternal
Order
of
Police.
We
know
the
FOP
has
a
whole
lot
of
power
when
it
comes
to
disciplining
officers
and
stuff,
like
that,
you
know
which
to
me
they
have
too
much
power
when
it
comes
to
whether
gets
fired
or
whether
offer
gives
some
kind
of
discipline
or
whatnot,
because
that's
what
that's
the
Union
and
a
lot
of
these
officers
go
back
to
them
and
that's
how
some
of
them
officers
get
hired
back.
They
don't
get.
K
A
K
B
This
is
Valerie.
I
would
also
suggest
that-
and
I've
said
this
before-
is
that
we
are
going
to
have
to
have
a
pretty
substantial
dialogue
with
personnel
and
in
within
the
public
safety
girl,
Bureau
police
as
well
as
we
have
I,
don't
know
am
I,
but
we
do
have
the
citizens
Police
Review
Board,
that
was
the
structure
that
was
legislatively
and
executive
Lea
acted
upon
to
undertake
police
complaints,
however,
there's
always
been
it
has
there's
not
been
the
political
will
to
have
enough
teeth
put
in
it.
So
this
is
a
complicated
issue.
B
I
think
that
we
need
to
find
out
where
we're
at
what
the
problems
are
again.
This
task
force
is
try
to
solve
these
problems
and
move
more
forward
into
to
having
betterment
in
the
city
and
our
police,
I
would
say.
In
addition
to
speakers,
we
need
to
have
our
own
in
the
city
to
take
where
we're
at
with
everything
Beth
dr.
N
O
We
go
yeah
I,
just
wanted
to
to
say,
there's
a
great
piece
that
just
appeared
in
public
source,
in
which
every
element
of
the
collective
bargaining
agreement
between
the
city
and
the
FOP
is
pulled
apart,
specified
it's
a
very
short
pithy
read:
I
will
give
it
to
staff
and
we'll
have
it
in
the
sub
folder.
Okay,.
G
D
A
Q
H
E
O
Thank
you.
The
when
I
hear
culture,
visa,
V,
Police
Department's,
what
it
usually
refers
to
is
the
the
ways
that
police
think
of
themselves
in
their
job
the
ways
that
they
perceive
their
position.
Visa
V
the
public
and
the
old,
saying
honestly
in
in
police
supervision
circles,
is
that
culture
eats
policy
for
lunch,
and
that
gives
you
an
idea
of
what
people
are
talking
about.
O
If
you
don't
transform
the
culture,
your
policies
don't
stand
a
chance,
so
we
can
have,
for
instance,
a
body
camera
program
or
a
dash
cam
program,
and
it
can
say
this
is
a
great
piece
of
equipment
turn
it
on.
But
if
the
culture
is,
we
don't
have
to
do
stuff
like
that,
and
people
get
away
with
it.
Then
it
amounts
to
nothing.
So
I
think
this
is
really
is
kind
of
a
separate
issue.
It's
in
a
way
the
biggest
thing
there
is,
though,
we're
dealing
with
a
lot
of
big
stuff.
O
It's
possible
to
think
of
them
both
together,
I
think
of
officer.
Wellness
is
kind
of
its
own
separate
thing.
You
know
that
they
really
need
help
they're
under
a
lot
of
pressure.
They
need
counseling
that
kind
of
stuff
when
I
think
of
police
culture
and
the
issues
with
that
people
are
generally
referring
to
the
resistance
of
police
to
change
on
one
level
or
another.
O
P
P
N
M
C
N
Gonna
say
just
to
piggyback
off
of
what
you
were
saying:
I
said
it
once
I'll
say
it
again
that
you
know
some
officers
by
the
end
of
this.
We're
gonna
ask
themselves:
what
can
they
do
to
end
police
brutality
or
stop
racism
and
for
a
number
of
them
the
answer
is
going
to
be
retire
or
get
another
job.
So.
N
I
So
I
I
hear
you
David
in
terms
of
this
being
its
own
thing:
the
challenge
that
I'm
having
right
now.
What
is
the
recommendation
that
comes
out
of
it,
and
so
yes
I
believe
we
all
understand
that
a
culture
change
needs
to
happen,
but
at
the
same
time
we
also
need
a
list
recommendations
and
so
I
mean
bringing
it
into
accountability,
and
transparency
is
one
way
to
actually
then
operationalize
culture,
so
I
spent
to
make
sure
they
were
operationalizing
it.
At
the
end
of
the
day,.
B
Yeah,
this
is
Valerie.
I
actually
tried
to
be
a
good
run,
raise
my
hand,
yes
to
dr.
Reynolds
point
and
from
what
my
experience
has
been.
Culture
is
one
thing,
but
oftentimes
you
need
policy.
You
procedure
you
need
could
have
come
up.
That's
what
dictates
what
officers
are
allowed
to
do?
They
may
have
that
the
culture
is
developed
based
upon
what
the
allowance
is
in
terms
of
what
they're
allowed
to
do
and
that
culture
can
be
quite
quite
a
malignant
if
you
let
it
happen.
B
So
again,
it
goes
back
to
where
do
we
want
to
make
sure
that
the
sticks
are
created
to
make
sure
that
we
get
a
hold
of
the
inherent
racism
and
possible
combative,
warrior-type
culture?
That's
not
good
for
the
community,
it
has
to
emanate
out
into
actionable
items,
and
that
was
my
only
point
is
that
it
has
to
be
actionable.
B
Oftentimes
officers
go
in
to
be
very
honest
with
you
and
I
know,
officers
that
went
in
great
with
a
great
cop
mindset
and
they
eventually
get
into
the
us-versus-them
culture
that
we're
talking
about
it's
easy
to
happen.
It
oftentimes
happens
so
I'm
just
trying
to
make
sure
that
what
we
do
is
actionable
I
mean
does.
M
M
B
K
P
Can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
maybe
I
mean
I
understand
what
angela
is
saying
and
chair
Roberts
in
terms
of
making
sure
things
are
actionable,
I
mean
maybe
what
we're
finding
is?
Culture
really
does
fade
into
each
of
all
the
different
subtopics
and
then
really
that
it's
just
an
overarching
issue.
I
mean
unbundling
services
from
the
police
department
that
that
kind
of
was
part
and
parcel
to
changing
the
culture,
transforming
the
culture,
recruitment,
training.
All
these
things
and
maybe
I,
don't
know.
E
N
C
On
the
phone
look
left
of
me
very
frustrating
today,
one
of
the
things
it's
all
post
persons
on
the
line
member.
There
was
a
time
when
black
people
could
not
sit
beside
white
people
and
lunch
counters
in
the
south
and
even
in
Pittsburgh
at
some
point
they
couldn't
sit
beside
white
people
on
the
toilet,
laws,
changed
and
habits
changed
afterward.
So
sometimes
we
want
to
obviously
be
sensitive
for
how
we
deal
with
the
culture,
but
part
of
the
culture
will
be
altered
by
regulations
and
rules
and
policies
that
begin
to
alter
conduct
such
as.
C
C
N
In
terms
of
changing
the
culture
or
transforming
the
culture,
wouldn't
recruitment
also
fall.
What's
that
because
you
know
like
minds:
go
together,
so
perhaps
the
recruiting
process
and
who's
being
chosen
to
graduate
from
the
police
academy
of
something
that
we
need
to
look
for
and
and
who
is
signing
up,
who
were
they
going
out
tonight?
I've,
never
seen
a
job
posting
for
Pittsburgh
police.
So
what
is
a
recruiting
process?
That's.
A
M
Also,
testing
involved
in
that
is
there
not
and
I'm
told
to
that
it
can
be
tricky
because
sometimes
you
have
father
and
son
or
friends,
and
they
thought
about
what
the
test
was
like.
So
it
makes
that
it
makes
it
easier
for
that
particular
trainee
to
pass
the
test
because
they
kind
of
know
what
to
study.
What's
on
there
and
other
folks
are
coming
in
cold,
and
so
maybe
there's
work
to
be
done
in
in
that
area.
M
A
M
A
E
L
A
you
know,
like
I,
think
he
said
he
slaps
on
the
wrist
for
things
that
civilians
are
getting
thrown
in
jail
for
years,
for,
like
the
crime,
ask
them
out
of
the
consequence
and
I
feel
like
a
lot
of
the
time
it
doesn't
when
it
comes
to
police
officers.
So
I
feel
like
the
strong
push
needs
to
be
for
consequences,
because
we
can
do
all
this
work
behind
the
scenes.
But
if
it's
going
to
court
and
they're
not
getting
the
correct
outcome,
it's
falling
on
deaf
ears,
all.
L
Personally,
I
think
they
should
be
held
to
a
higher
standard
because
they've
studied
the
law
they
train
for
it.
You
know
they've
opted
to
go
into
this
position
of
power.
You
know
exactly
the
type
of
job
that
you're
supposed
to
be
doing
and
anything
outside
of
that
it
should
be
eligible
by
law
to
the
extreme.
N
N
My
my
question
is
just
getting
back
to
the
Fraternal
Order
of
Police.
If
we
can
add
it
in
and
I
apologize,
I
do
not
know
this,
but
the
Fraternal
Order
of
Police
is
it
all
encompassing.
So
it's
not
just
our
state.
Is
it
everywhere
and
the
reason
I
ask
that
is
because
a
lot
of
the
times
an
officer
will
be
fired
from
the
spawn
blog
fire
for
beating
or
abusing
or
whatever
the
case
may
be,
including
up
to
murder,
and
they
just
go
to
a
different
creasing
and
get
hired
there.
N
A
N
As
someone
who's
in
the
medical
field,
I
can
tell
you
right
now
that
if
that
is
definitely
an
area,
it's
only
poles
you
can.
You
can
absolutely
get
another
job
in
a
different
state
having
been
fired
for
all
types
of
misconduct
in
a
different
state.
As
a
physician,
it's
something
that
the
governing
body,
the
man
is
trying
to
change.
A
All
of
that
is
from
licensing,
because
the
licensing
process
is
different.
Unless
it's,
you
have
jurisprudence
to
be
able
to
transfer
a
license
from
state
to
state,
but
you
will
apply
for
a
license
in
another
state
and
they
base
that,
based
on
the
criteria
that
they
licensed-
nurses,
doctors,
dentists,
etc.
A
B
You
I'll
try
to
be
quick.
The
I
would
like
to
recommend
that
not
only
that
we
speak
with
our
current
police
to
get
some
questions
answered,
but
also
I'd
like
to
hear
or
get
a
brief,
maybe
through
the
maybe
through
staff
or
directly
from
state
representatives,
some
early
Austin
Davis,
Jake
Wheatley,
they
have
been.
They
have
introduced
legislation
to
address
state
issues.
We
also
have
federal
issues
that
that
have
come
through
Congress
yeah
they'll
get
to
the
Senate
and
god
bless
them.
B
But
if
this
the
bath
could
please
get
us
up
to
date
as
to
what
is
in
the
pipeline
statewide,
and
what
federal
wide
to
address
some
of
these
very
questions
that
the
task
members
are
asking
and
where
we're
at
with
it
I
know
we're
lobbying.
But
where
is
everything
I
think?
That's
it?
There
was
something
else.
What
about
the.
O
I'll
be
quick
as
well.
I
just
wanted
to
say.
The
issue
of
licensing
of
police
officers
is
an
issue
here
in
Pennsylvania,
a
piece
of
legislation
passed
the
state
Senate
on
this
very
topic
last
week,
I'd
be
very
pleased
to
talk
with
anybody
who's
interested
about
this
whole
set
of
issues
because
there's
a
state
level
and
then
there's
a
federal
overlay
and
it's
badly
in
need
of
of
addressing
we're.
Getting
some
action
on
it.
Right
now
and
I'd
be
glad
to
talk
to
anybody.
Who's
interested
I
live.
N
L
J
J
C
J
I
own
experience
or
my
own
opinion
from
being
informed
by
police
officers
themselves
that
our
focus
really
needs
to
be
on
promotion
and
hiring
and
why
people
are
promoted,
how
they
are
promoted
and
the
record
of
the
people
who
are
promoted
because
it
speaks
volumes
to
the
culture
and
you
know,
I
can
just
give
you
an
example.
The
case
that
brought
me
into
this
work
Jordan
miles.
Those
officers
are
still
in
here.
J
What's
the
work
and
currently
have
been
transferred
to
other
departments,
some
of
them
in
very
high
positions,
the
officer
in
Port
Authority
that
killed
Bruce
Kelley
jr.
was
promoted.
It's
currently
a
sergeant
and
so
they're
rewarded
for
this
behavior,
which
speaks
to
the
country
and
so
we're
learning.
E
E
J
About
how
the
system
currently
works
and
what
is
happening,
and
so
we
can
give
you
names,
we
can
look
them
up.
We
can
see
how
they
were
accused
and
promoted.
I'm
not
making
this
up,
but
I
wish.
It
would
be
to
look
at
the
reality
of
policing
and
not
just
what
police
say
about
policing,
but
also
on
our
organization.
C
A
C
K
We
actually
I,
you
know
it
used
to
be
that
American
kids
would
say
they
would
want
to
lease
officer.
I,
don't
hear
young
people
saying
that
anymore,
that
they
want
to
be
a
police
officer
that
they
really
want
to
give
back.
So
we
know
I,
don't
know
how
we
do
it,
but
we
really
need
increase
the
diversity
on
this
and
I.
E
K
Put
out
a
number
of
saying,
75%
of
its
Caucasian
and
they
from
out
of
the
area
that
have
moved
back
in
or
in
the
Pittsburgh
so
that
they
could
get
hired
by
Pittsburgh
there.
There
has
to
be
I'm,
hoping
that
we
can
do
something
that
can
get
more
african-american
people
more
involved
in
the
police
force.
Here.
That's.
A
M
Just
going
to
say,
Richard
I
think
that
is
one
of
the
most
important
things
that
we
can
do
and
it
will
not
be
easy
work
because
a
lot
of
young
men
and
women,
if
you
would
ask
them
about
that,
there
look
at
you
like
you're
nuts,
but
there
are
people
who
are
first,
second
grade
kids
that
that's
what
they
want
to
do
and
they
draw
pictures
of
themselves
as
firemen
and
police
officers.
That
is
what
they
do.
M
So
we
need
to
our
pipeline
needs
to
start,
perhaps
in
middle
school,
with
activities
that
kind
of
bring
them
up,
so
that
becomes
unnatural
for
them
and
I
think
those
would
be
some
of
our
best
officers.
It's
it's
not
gonna,
be
a
fast
thing,
but
I
think
we
can
get
what
we
want
and
that's
very
important
to
me
personally.
Male.
A
L
Think
it's
important
for
us
to
you
know
we're
sitting
here,
asking
why
why
not
go
directly
to
the
source,
get
in
tune
with
these
young
kids
ask
them!
Why
don't
you
want
to
be
a
part
of
the
police
force?
Why
are
you
looking
at
me
the
way
you're
looking
at
me
when
I
ask
you
if
you
want
to
be
a
cop,
you
know
find
these
underlying
issues,
because
these
younger
people
are
the
people
who
are
going
to
be
in
all
of
our
positions
as
they
get
older
and
I
mean
I'm.
L
Only
25
and
I
do
try
and
have
these
conversations
with
young
people
I
do
try
and
educate
them.
You
know
of
why
we
need
people
of
color
in
these
positions
of
power,
but
I
just
don't
think
that
they
understand
how
how
bad
they're
needed
so
I
think
more
education
with
younger
people
is
also
needed
in
this
area.
We
need
to
come
to
the
core
of
why
don't
people
were
to
join
the
police
force
all.
N
And
just
to
piggyback
off
away
chemo,
and
so
they
were
saying
people
I'm
actually
ordered
in
Camille.
Is
that
one
of
the
area,
one
of
the
issues
and
I
don't
want
to
take
away
from
the
romanticizing
about
the
police,
but
a
reason
why
a
lot
of
young
people
don't
want
to
be
police
officers
is
because
of
the
culture
of
being
a
police
officer.
You
don't
let
it
be
part
of
the
system
that
is
oppressing
the
community
that
you
live
in,
and
so,
unless
the
job
changes
in
the
action,
it's
change
behind
becoming
a
police
officer.
N
It
makes
pretty
logical
sense.
Why
are
young
people
particularly
Generation
Z,
and
whatever
we're
calling
a
generation
afterwards,
would
not
want
to
be
part
of
that
system
of
structure?
We
have
to
look
at
this
objectively
and
realized
that
we
all
grew
up
with
a
very
romanticized
version
of
police
that
we're
trying
to
get
back
to
you,
those
who
uphold
the
law
and
keep
us
safe,
but
that's
not
accurate,
and
so,
unless
we
are
going
to
look
at
this
from
a
history
that
younger
generations
are
seeing
it
as
that's.
Why
they're
out
here
protesting
against
it?
N
We
cannot
promote
the
job
that
doesn't
exist.
You
can't
promote
a
diversity
in
a
different
culture,
a
diversity
of
thought
that
doesn't
exist
within
the
police
department
now,
so
it
would
be
nice
to
have
cops,
go
and
talk
to
these
high
school
students
and
etc,
but
that
same
officer
that
they're
gonna
see
our
career
day,
they're,
also
going
to
run
into
when
they're
walking
down
the
street
and
they're
going
to
be
terrified.
So
until
the
culture
changes,
this
has
to
be
more
than
just
job
promotion,
hey.
A
B
Okay,
the
what
I
experienced
many
years
ago
is
the
basically
where
you're
from
it's
like.
Let's
start,
you
know
get
to
the
head,
not
always
be
a
detail
and
oftentimes.
That's
where
we're
at
we
have
to
come
back
up
to
the
head.
The
head
is
hiring
the
head
is
bedding
venting
interviewing
to
make
sure
we
have
good
people
coming
on.
That's
a
easier
way
to
get
our
help
on.
E
B
But
I
would
say
that
we
need
an
analysis.
We
need
an
assessment
of
where
we
are
currently
with
the
interview
process
with
the
type
of
candidates
that
actually
applied.
I
would
like
to
see
how
many
african-americans
apply,
how
many
of
them
don't
make
the
cut,
because
there
are
several
layers
of
testing
and
interviewing
betting
that
go
on.
Why?
B
B
So
years
ago,
I
asked
what
were
the
interview
questions,
because
that's
how
you
can
get
into
do
we
and
we
really
have
an
erase
I
mean
there
are
people
that
are
racist
everywhere
everywhere,
no
matter
in
schools
and
industry
police,
you
name
it.
How
do
we
capture
them?
How
do
we
catch
them
before
they
get
on
that's
part
of
the
interview
process,
but
at
that
time
I
was
prevented
from
getting
those
questions.
I
would
like
to
know.
Are
we
in
a
place
right
now,
government
elite?
Where
that
can
be
shared?
B
B
That
we
can
do,
but
that's
a
specific
thing.
He
is
to
be
able
to
get
what
kind
of
questions
are
asked.
We
can
talk
about
it,
but
until
we
know
the
details
we
would
have
to
have
staff
to
see
if
that
can
be
obtained.
To
what
degree
can
we
obtain
information
of
the
entire
application
process,
not
just
what's
on
the
website,
but
really
what
goes
on
and.
A
O
Yes,
I
will
try
to
be
brief,
because
I'm
standing
between
everybody
and
dinner
I
just
want
to
come
back
to
to
the
point
of
diversity.
There
are
very
important
reasons
to
have
a
diverse
force.
There
are
very
important
reasons
to
look
at
how
the
hiring
works,
but
I
want
to
I.
Think
it's
important
to
say
this
there,
the
data
we
have
does
not
indicate
that
making
the
force
more
diverse,
make
it
better.
O
What
we
know
is
that
when
we
bring
in
new
people,
diverse
or
not,
they
get
eaten
by
the
bad
culture
and
the
force
remains
the
same,
and
you
don't
change
this
without
grappling
with
the
existing
culture.
People
keep
saying
you
know,
you've
heard
it
a
million
times
bad
apples,
it's
not
bad
apples,
it's
a
bad
barrel
until
we
fixed
that
bringing
in
new
people
no
matter
how
diverse
they
are,
will
not
address
the
systemic
problems.
A
Points
so
perhaps
a
next
step
and
I
like
to
ask
the
group:
would
you
be
amenable
to
meeting
a
subgroup,
the
entire
group
as
a
subgroup,
either
sometime
Tuesday
Wednesdays?
So
we
can
review
and
reassign
subcommittees.
It
would
be
short,
it
would
not
be
a
public
meeting.
It
would
just
be
an
informational
meeting
that
we
can
review
the
rearrangement
of
the
committee's
and
then
assign
committees
to
each
of
those
categories.
Would
you
be
amenable?
We
can
find
30
minutes
or
an
hour
to
do
that.
A
H
A
A
Don't
think
that's
reasonable,
send
me
and
send
it
raise
your
hand
and
say
absolutely
not
all
right
so,
our
next
step,
then
we
will
go
through
the
notes.
Rearrange
the
committee's,
send
them
out
and
ask
you
to
identify
the
one
that
you
feel
you
can
wanted
to
if
necessary,
that
you
can
support
and
if
nothing
else,
we
can
do
them
one
at
a
time
too.
We
get
them
all
complete
it.