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Don't
want
to
call
you
out
on
on
the
unbe
on
the
video
you
know,
if
you
did,
it
did
not
complete
and
submit
it.
We
need
you
to
as
soon
after
the
meeting
is
over
to
go
on
to
the
link
and
click
on
the
three
top
things
you
like
to
be
on,
and
we
will
respond
we'll
make
some
assignments
at
the
end
of
today's
meeting,
so
that
we
can
keep
the
progress
going
forward
next
week.
A
We
will
talk
about,
we
will
have
representatives
from
Pittsburgh
Bureau
of
police
and
we'll
talk
details
on
that
after
our
speaker
today,
you
should
have
also
received
the
task
force
scope
of
work.
Draft
number:
three:
that's
the
document
that
we're
going
to
be
working
off
until
further
notice.
Any
added
changes
that
come
forth
from
the
task
force,
never
leave
that
draft
three
I
should
say
is
in
it
is
there
anyone
who
did
not
receive.
C
D
We
not
in
a
whole
lot
of
time
in
conversations
with
folks
outside
of
the
group.
I
think
this
is
just
me
I
think
we
have
enough
materials.
I've
certainly
sent
enough
myself
and
others
have
that
I
think
we
need
to
look
go
through
these
materials
and
identify
what
we
think
most
people
can
agree
with,
so
weave
them
actually
the
beginning
of
a
document
of
actions
that
we
all
agree
with
and.
A
D
A
D
I
wanted
to
finish.
My
point
is
this:
is
my
preference
that
we
go
through
the
materials
that
we
have
and
identify
action
steps,
including
legislative
proposals
that
we've
gotten
from
across
the
country
across
the
nation,
some
of
which
have
already
been
passed
that
hopefully
most
of
us
can
agree
on?
Even
if
the
staff
took
all
of
these
points
and
put
them
into
a
Google
document
where
we
can
check
off
what
we
all
agree
with,
then,
if
we
have
questions,
nothing
would
be
possible
or
impossible
or
what
might
have
to
be
altered.
A
E
Implement
or
see
what
it's
implementable
opposed
to
going
through
this
entire
process,
as
if
it
was
never
done
before
we
can
take
data
that
we
already
have
from
the
same
process.
We
are
about
to
do
right
now
and
look
at
that
to
see
what's
implementable,
we
can
look
at
what
is
being
implemented
right
now
and
what
has
already
been
implemented
in
other
cities
to
see
if
that
is
implementable,
but
I,
don't
think
that
is
what
we
are
going
to
do.
C
Math
but
math
leaves
time
in
brandy.
Thank
you
for
that
and
again
you
you've
basically
indicated
a
very
pragmatic,
expeditious
approach
to
you
know:
let's
get
something
done
here
and
I
and
we
totally
agree.
I
personally,
I
think
I
speak
for
both
of
us
as
co-chairs.
This
is
not
going
to
be
a
process
or
exercise
in
futility.
We've
had
a
lot
of
those.
C
However,
we,
the
mayor,
is
very
much
so
wanting
some
specific
recommendations
and
outcomes.
You're
correct.
We
need
I
said
that
last
week
is
that
we
have
to
establish.
The
baseline
baselines
will
probably
be
more
so
established
next
Monday
after
we
hear
from
Public
Safety
and
police
officials
to
see
where
we're
at
we're
going
to
have
an
open
dialogue
but
walls,
but
for
the
most
part,
it'll
be
questions
that
will
be
sent
and
dr.
Bullock
will
talk
about
that
later.
E
C
Brandy,
it's
because
we
have
to
understand
what
is
we
have
to
understand
procedures
or
what
have
you
that
we're
not
privy
to
and
they're
going
to
discuss
that?
What
I
want
to
emphasize
is
that
we
have
to
have
informed
decisions,
inform
recommendations,
not
just
you
know.
What's
what
sounds
good,
but
we
have
to
be
not
only
just
educated
informed.
We
have
to
know,
and
the
only
way
to
know
to
know
what
you're
talking
about
is
to
get
the
angles
to
get
the
information
from
all
sides.
So
I
agree
with
you.
C
E
I
think
it
makes
sense,
but
all
I'm
saying
is
that
we
have
that
already
I'm,
not
talking
about
being
uninformed
I've
heard
from
the
police
a
gazillion
times
that
we
could
do
tim
has
been
a
days
tables
as
well.
We
have
the
deck
we
haven't
already
done.
That's
all
I'm,
saying
and
I'm
not
going
to
say
it
over
and
over
again,
when
I
can't
be
more
clear
as
to
how
we
already
had
the
results
of
these
conversations
in
hand
and
can.
C
I
just
speak
for
the
task
force
you
have
been
in
the
trenches,
but
you
really
have
been
in
the
trenches
for
a
while.
Now
you
and
temper
for
years
and
years,
you
all
have
an
information,
but
there
are
other
task
force
members
that
have
not
been
in
the
same
spaces
that
you
have
been
in
you've
been
in
protests
on
the
front
line
talking
to
the
chief,
the
mayor,
etc,
etc.
C
Just
please
just
please
allow
a
collective
effort
to
include
the
others
that
comes
up
aspects
of
the
community
so
to
speak,
and
they
may
have
a
little
bit
of
occurred
for
them
to
absorb
all
the
information
that
you
all
have
just
if
you
could
just
be
patient
and
work
with
this
task
force,
we'll
get
it
done
and
it'll
come
from
this
task
force.
I'm.
G
D
Items
of
recommendations
that
have
already
been
made
both
locally
and
nationally,
including
legislation,
has
been
passed
across
the
nation.
What
we
think
are
some
of
us
think
should
be
implemented
and
then
talk
to
the
police
chief
in
the
Safety
Director.
Do
you
think
these
things
that
we're
recommending
are
workable
or
what
is
what
are
the
obstacles?
We
can't
say
that
next
Monday,
because
we
haven't
done
it,
I
can
say
it
because
I've
been
dealing
with
it.
Your
feedback
and
I
have
all
kinds
of
document
Brandi's
been
dealing
with
for
you.
D
H
H
We
have
what
we
need
to
make
progress
we
need
to
do
it
I
think
it's
very
important
that
we
do
meet
with
the
Chief
of
Police
and
we
do
talk
with
absolutely
cuz.
That's
that's
why
we're
here
for
sure,
but
we
must
make
it
a
point
to
streamline
the
conversations
that
we're
having
and
actually
brings
something
to
the
table
and
say
here
are
our
solutions
to
the
problems
that
we
know
at
hand.
If
you
have,
if
you
don't
know
what
the
problems
are
right
now,
it
is
not
for
a
lack
of
seeing
it
happen.
H
Everybody
knows
it's
everywhere.
We
have
what
we
need
to
move
forward.
We
need
to
formulate
our
plan
and
have
something
we're
going
to
bring
to
the
table
with
the
police,
because
I
also
don't
want
to
hear
from
the
police
what
they
may
have
in
place,
because
whatever
it
is,
that
doesn't
involve
brutality,
they're
not
doing
it
with
all
due
respect,
you're.
Not
so
do
we
need
to
have
a
conversation
with
them
absolutely,
but
we
need
to
start
bringing
in
some
here
those.
What
we
see
is
immediate
and
needs
to
happen
now.
H
There
is
no
reason
why
people
are
still
being
hit
with
tear
gas
and
rubber
bullets
today.
Yesterday,
fourth
of
July
there's
no
reason
and
we
need
to
make
things
happen
sooner
than
later,
and
it
can't
happen
after
several
meetings
and
several
speakers
and
I
think
that's
where
the
frustration
is
coming
from.
If
I'm
wrong
by
all
means.
Let
me
know,
but
that's
what
I
feel
and
I
think
that
that's
echoed
by
Tim
and
Brandi
and
I'm
sure
other
people.
I
C
F
F
My
good
excuse
me
I,
definitely
understand
where
Brandi,
Patricia
and
Tim
are
coming
from
I've
been
in
protests
and
all
them
places
all
around
this
country
come
across.
Police
I
definitely
understand
what
they're
saying,
but
as
a
member
of
the
task
force,
I
think
that
it's
good
for
everybody
on
the
task
force
to
be
operating
from
the
same
foundation,
because
only
with
that
same
level
of
understanding
do
I
think
that
we
can
all
then
have
productive
conversations
about
what
needs
to
happen
next
and
I.
F
Now,
when
it
comes
to
some
of
the
more
heightened
things
that
Patricia
is
talking
about,
we
may
want
to
go
ahead
and
start
making
recommendations
about
the
use
of
chemical
weapons
against
people.
Some
of
those
more
heightened,
emergent
things
yeah.
We
may
want
to
take
a
look
at
and
respond
sooner
rather
than
later,
but
for
some
long-term
policy
kinds
of
things,
I
think
it's
good
to
have
the
foundation
come
up
with
the
solutions
and
then
maybe
have
additional
discussion
to
make
sure
we
understand
correct.
Thank
you.
A
I
I
K
Thank
you,
I
I
understand
the
the
feeling
that
there
is
a
lot
that
we
already
know.
I
certainly
agree
with
that,
but
I
think
having
a
conversation
with
the
chief
and
the
Public
Safety
Director
can
serve
us
very
well,
even
if
all
they
do
is
tell
us
what
they
can't
do
and
I
don't
actually
anticipate
that
that
that
that's
what
they
will
do.
K
Would
you
not
like
to
have
they
might
come
out
with
two
or
three
or
four
things
or
nothing
they
might
have
to
say?
No,
no,
we
got
it.
We
got
it,
don't
worry,
which
wouldn't
be
very
satisfactory
to
me,
but
based
on
what
I've
heard,
in
other
conversations,
it
does
seem
to
me
there's
a
chance.
We
could
find
points
of
agreement
right
off.
K
The
top
I
would
always
give
ourselves
the
opportunity
to
do
that
and
to
make
our
jobs
easier
to
find
the
low-hanging
fruit
with
them,
because
if
there
are
things
that
we
can
present,
as
we
agree
with
the
police
on
this,
that
we'll
have
made
the
exercise
worthwhile.
Even
if
for
many
of
the
points
that
they
might
get
asked
about,
they
don't
give
us
anything
satisfactory.
There
still
may
be
fish
in
the
water
to
be
caught
and
I
wouldn't
want
to
walk
away
from
that
opportunity.
I.
C
L
This
whole
conversation
is
that
I
don't
want
to
be
lulled
to
sleep
by
what
they
were
saying
over
and
over
again.
Here's
a
prime
example
exactly
what
happened
yesterday
or
the
day
before
yesterday
when
they
had
the
Trump
rally
right,
they
receive
better
protection
than
the
protesters
that
have
protested
every
day,
I'm
talking
about
how
how
how
the
police
were
totally
different,
we're
exactly
not
people
and
they're,
not
they're,
not
the
same
with
the
peaceful
protesters
that
have
been
going
on
in
in
Pittsburgh.
L
They
will
try
to
love
us
to
sleep
by
giving
us
some
some
information
that
really
doesn't
go
across
the
board,
so
I
really
agree
with
with
brandy,
timin
and
Patricia,
and
everybody
else
that
you
know
this
is
something
I
don't
want
to
be
low
to
sleeping
and
and-
and
this
is
something
that
goes
on
on
time
and
time
again
when,
when
we
freeze
up
when
people
raise
up
against,
you
know,
injustice,
that's
being
put
on
them.
I
just
want
us
to
be
big
Meyer
for
their.
D
Let
me
say
this:
let
me
say
this.
Let
me
just
say
this:
the
reason
why
I
think
it's
backward-
this
is
Tim
again,
I'm,
sorry,
but
I'm
not
beeps
happened.
Some
of
our
community
partners
are
meeting
with
the
mayor,
the
chief
and
the
safety
director
11
o'clock
on
Wednesday
to
follow
up
a
February
24th
to
an
hour
and
15
minute
conversation,
some
of
which
has
been
updated
by
assistant
chief
Bickerstaff.
We
have
ten
and
a
half
pages
of
minutes.
From
that
meeting
of
recommendations,
questions
and
on
June
26
2016.
D
We
had
20
recommendations
from
V
Pepin.
Our
partners,
which
I've
sent
that
letter
and
our
request
on
Wednesday,
is
that
we
get
answers
to
all
that
that
we've
already
asked
for
and
after
those
answers
that
can
be
provided
to
the
task
force.
So
we
can
save
some
time,
and
hopefully
they
will
have
committed
to
simple
things
that
we've
been
advocating
for
years.
We
don't
need
to.
D
We
then
present
what
we
think
we
should
be
to
at
least
beginning
of
several
action
steps
and
policy
changes,
and
then
the
chief
and
the
Safety
Director
can
respond
to
those
right
now,
they're
just
saying
whatever,
whatever
they
want
to
say,
and
then
we're
going
back
and
having
to
go
to
the
process
that
I
just
defined.
We
must
do
it's
not
I'm.
Sorry
thank.
M
Yeah
and
sorry
I
keep
raising
and
lowering
my
hand
I
I'm,
just
a
concern
that
we
are.
You
know
after
five
o'clock
and
haven't
really
made
any
progress.
So
if
we
could
come
to
a
decision
either
we're
going
to
speaker
speak
or
we're
going
to
ask
the
speaker
to
come
back
at
a
later
time
when,
when
some
of
us
are
more
prepared
with
the
questions
or
this
gets
taken
to
a
committee,
just
just
try
to
see
if
we
can
move
forward.
What.
B
It
is
my
pleasure,
so
Roy
Austin
is
joining
us
and
to
give
you
all
some
sense,
I
apologize
that
this
wasn't
sent
out
in
advance.
But
Roy
is
an
expert
in
criminal
justice
reform
and
he
has
a
presentation
on
police
violence
in
America.
That
is
an
overview
of
criminal
justice
reform
efforts
from
the
Rodney
King
beating
until
today,
and
why
now
with
George
Floyd's
killing,
why?
This
may
be
the
moment
that
we
all
hope
that
it
will
be
that
real
change
can
actually
be
enacted.
B
So,
just
to
give
you
a
quick
background
on
Roy,
he
has
spent
much
of
his
25-year
career
working
on
criminal
justice
issues
and,
in
particular,
police
reform
issues.
B
B
N
N
N
N
In
fact,
we
have
very
good
idea
what
to
do
about
police
violence
in
America.
We've
done
it
in
the
past
and
a
lot
based
on
that
past
that
we
can
move
to
now,
so
I
want
to
start
in
1991
I
want
to
start
in
1991,
because
this
was
pretty
much
the
first
huge
viewing
of
police
brutality
that
we
saw
as
a
nation.
Now,
police
brutality
goes
back
back
to
the
slave
patrols.
It
goes
to
what
we
saw
during
Reconstruction.
It
goes
to
what
we
saw
in
the
civil
rights
movement,
but
the
key.
N
So
I
present
that
to
you
not
because
any
of
us
needed
to
see
that
beating
again,
but
because
the
effort
was
concentrated
on
those
four
officers
and
what
they
did.
But
I
would
offer
to
you
that
really
who
we
need
to
talk
about
as
those
mob.
What
happened
there?
We
know
for
a
fact
that
if
a
police
officer
were
to
see
a
civilian
beating,
someone
the
way
those
it
expected
to
act
and
their
failure
act
would
result
in
them
being
dismissed
as
police
officers.
N
Well,
the
fact
that
was
police
officers
that
were
the
lead
of
this
violence
should
have
absolutely
no
bearing
whatsoever
on
whether
or
not
they
should
continue
to
be
police
officers
and,
in
fact,
I
would
argue
that
they
should
not
be
police
options.
If
you
sit
there
and
you
watch,
another
officer
beat
someone
in
case.
You
know
1991
the
day
after
the
video
gets
released
and
very
quickly
those
officers
it
was
announced,
those
officers
would
be
prosecuted
for
their
conduct.
Four
officers
ended
up
going
to
trial
in
the
case.
N
The
federal
government
then
stepped
in
and
it
prosecuted,
the
officers
to
those
officers
were
convicted.
They
each
received
thirty
years
thirty
months.
Sorry
thirty
months
of
incarceration,
they
served
26
of
them.
But
again
or
let
me
talk
about
the
statute,
so
the
statute
they
were
prosecuted
under
is
the
United
States
Code
242,
and
it's
it's
a
lot
of
words
here
on
this
screen.
Most
importantly,
though,
it
is
that
anybody
who
commits
a
crime
under
color
of
law
who
violates
the
Constitution
here
the
Fourth
Amendment
rights
of
someone,
and
they
do
so
willfully
now.
N
But
for
that
high
standard
that
willfully
creates
those
case
very
well
could
have
been
prosecuted
by
the
federal
government.
If
you
look
at
the
justice
and
policing
Act
that
the
House
of
Representative
just
passed,
they've
removed
that
term
willfully
and
they
replaced
it
with
recklessly
or
knowingly
a
lower
standard
which
I
think
again,
cases
like
damaged
jordan
miles
cases
like
Lando
Castile
could
probably
have
been
prosecuted
by
the
federal
government.
Had
this
willful
language
not
been
present,
hey.
N
O
N
N
To
try
to
do
is
I'm
going
to
try
to
go
on
audio.
If
that
helps
go
on
my
phone
and
sorry,
let
me
take
your.
N
O
J
C
C
J
N
What
is
very
important
was
at
the
time
this
consent
decree
was
put
into
place,
as
you
had
Chief
Robert
McNeely,
and
what
was
important
about
that
is
that
leadership
matters
and
you
had
a
chief
actually
wanted
to
see
this
consent
decree
succeed.
He
worked
hard
at
making
sure
that
it
succeeded
and
you
were,
it
was
terminated
about
five
years
after
it
was
entered,
it
lasted
a
little
bit
longer
under
a
just
to
clear
the
backlog
of
complaints,
and
so
why
do
I
say
it
worked?
N
Let's
say
it
worked
because
you
started
with
the
state-of-the-art
early
warning
system.
You
collected
more
data
than
was
being
collected
in
other
departments
during
the
time
of
the
decree.
What
a
lot
of
people
complain
about
is
what
crimes
going
to
go
up
when
you
start
actually
looking
at
policing
and
police
officers.
In
fact,
crime
did
not
go
up.
N
In
fact,
homicides
went
down
over
the
period
over
the
time
period,
either
the
decree
was
in
place,
you
showed
no
D
policing
and
in
fact
it
had
a
positive
effect
in
not
increasing
the
number
of
African
Americans
and
blacks
that
were
being
arrested
by
the
Bureau
of
police.
But,
as
david
harris
said,
david
harrison
is
on
your
task
force
is
that
it
did
not
stick
and
that
there's
something
that
has
to
happen
after
a
consent.
Decree
goes
in
place
in
it
and
is
effective
for
it
to
last.
N
Let's
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
about
this.
This.
Why
they,
the
bad
apples
theory
of
policing,
is
wrong.
The
person
pictured
here
is
a
woman
by
the
name
of
Kim
Kim
groans
Kim
groans
watched
as
two
New
Orleans
Police
Department
officers
pistol-whipped
her
nephew,
and
she
did
exactly
what
one
would
want
you
to
do
and
that
is
she
recorded
it
to
the
police.
She
filed
a
complaint.
Well,
it
turned
out
that
the
police
learned
about
the
complaint.
N
One
of
those
officers,
a
person
by
the
name
of
Glen
Davis,
contacted
a
drug
dealer
who
he
was
providing
security
for
he
contacted
that
drug
dealer
told
that
drug
dealer
to
get
rid
of
Kim
gross
the
drug
dealer
drove
up
to
Kim
groves.
She
stood
on
the
street
corner
and
shot
her
in
the
face
and
killed
her
so
that
case
under
the
United
States
Code
242
was
prosecuted
by
the
federal
government.
The
officers,
the
two
officers
in
the
drug
dealer
who
were
involved
were
all
prosecuted
and
officer.
N
Len
Davis
remains
the
lone
pletely
local
african-american,
actually
the
first
person
the
Civil
Rights
Division
and
were
put
on
death
row
who
happens
to
be
an
African
American
man.
So
again,
you
would
see
something
like
this
happened
in
New
Orleans
and
you
would
think
that
the
other
officers
would
change
their
behavior,
but
instead
they
fall
into
this
bad-apple
statement
or
rhetoric
and
they
dismissed
the
actions
that
one
officer
and
don't
realize
that
it's
a
problem
with
the
entire
police
department.
N
J
N
Conversation
between
Len
Davis
and
the
drug
dealer
was
the
FBI
was
investigating
the
drug
trade
in
New
Orleans
and
some
of
the
some
of
the
police
officers
as
a
result
of
their
investigation.
Even
though
50
officers
were
arrested,
okay,
the
vast
majority
of
those
officers
ended
up
not
being
prosecuted
and
the
investigation
into
the
police
department
was
shut
down.
Nonetheless,
because
of
such
a
large
number
of
officers
who
were
involved,
there
was
a
decision
made
to
open
a
pattern
or
practice
investigation
into
New
Orleans.
N
The
problem
was
that
the
Department
of
Justice
and
this
one's
under
then
President
Bill,
Clinton
I,
believe
the
Department
of
Justice
decided
to
let
the
New
Orleans
Police
Department
fix
itself.
So
it
told
it
everything
that
was
wrong
in
a
findings
letter
to
did
everything
that
it
needed
to
fix
and
it
said,
go
ahead
and
fix
it
yourself
under
an
MOU
and
history
tells
us
whether
or
not
that
was
effective.
N
Now,
in
the
same
time,
we
have
the
Los
Angeles
Police
Department
and
the
Los
Angeles
Police
Department
is
going
through
some
very
similar
things
where
we
have
this
crash
unit.
Community
resources
against
street
hoodlums
unit,
it
was
a
gang
unit.
This
gang
unit
was
involved
in
every
single
crime
imaginable,
from
murder
to
perjury,
to
falsifying
paperwork,
to
protecting
drug
dealers.
Everything
you
can
imagine.
N
70
officers
were
implicated
in
misconduct.
So
again
some
people
will
say
well
just
a
few
bad
apples
when
you
go
to
sit
with
the
officers
when
you
get
to
50
officers
like
there
was
in
New
Orleans
you're
beyond
the
bad
apple
you're,
on
to
systemic
problems,
with
your
Police
Department,
and
so
what
happens
here.
Unfortunately,
only
eight
officers
were
convicted
of
their
crimes.
Three
of
those
officers.
Those
convictions
were
overturned,
only
five
officers
ended
up
being
terminated
and
12
officers
were
suspended
again.
N
If
you
are
a
police
officer
and
you
have
knowledge
of
art
or
involved
in
any
kind
of
misconduct.
At
this
level,
you
no
longer
need
to
be
a
police
officer.
Nonetheless,
a
number
of
them
just
received
some
suspensions
so
because
of
the
problems
in
Los
Angeles,
they
also
were
investigated
by
the
Department
of
Justice
under
a
pattern
and
practice
theory.
N
For
years
after
the
investigation
started,
the
Department
of
Justice
finally
issued
a
findings
letter.
It
was
a
five
page
findings,
letter
relatively
short
about
the
same
size
at
Pittsburgh's,
we're
now
up
to
187
paragraphs
when
I
say
underneath
seven
paragraphs.
These
are
what
the
police
department
needs
to
do
to
get
itself
acting
and
operating
in
a
constitutional
way.
It
covered
many
of
the
same
things
that
we
saw
in
Pittsburgh
everything
from
use
of
force
to
stops
and
searches
to
how
they
handled
complaints
to
how
it's
gang
unit
was
operating
to
how
you
involve
the
community.
N
Now
for
the
first
two
years
of
that
consent,
decree
and
I
talked
about
how
chief
McNeely
took
on
the
consent
decree
for
the
first
two
years
of
the
LA
consent
decree.
Basically,
time
was
just
being
wasted.
The
chief
had
no
interest
in
trying
to
move
the
city
forward.
Chief
Bill
Bratton
from
New
York
City
becomes
chief
of
LAPD.
He
takes
on
the
consent.
Decree
wants
to
see
it
work
2009,
it
is,
it
is
terminated,
but
the
judge
again
says
we're
not
ready
for
a
complete
termination.
Let's
see
how
the
civilian
review
group
is
doing.
N
Give
them
some
years
to
to
work
on
how
they
are
going
to
keep
the
actions
of
the
consent
decree
going
and
it's
2013
when
it
is
finally
terminated
now
this
timetable
tells
you
how
hard
it
is
to
reform
policing
we've
done
by
1996
when
it
opens.
When
DOJ
opens
the
investigation,
it's
not
until
2013
till
it
is
finally
terminated
completely.
That
is
an
incredible
length
of
time,
and
that
is
the
problem
with
the
culture
of
policing.
N
N
In
fact,
the
policing
got
better
you'll
know,
you'll,
learn
the
terms
but
already
over
hit
rate,
and
that
is
how
often
clinics
departments
when
they
stop
and
search
someone
actually
buying
contraband
instead
of
just
stopping
and
searching
and
spreading
a
wide
net
in
which
they
captured
lots
and
lots
of
innocent
people.
So
the
policing
got
better
serious
crime
went
down
during
that
time
and
public
satisfaction
in
the
police
went
significantly
up
even
in
your
black
and
Latino
communities.
N
Nonetheless,
I'm
not
going
to
say
it
was
perfect,
because
10%
of
your
black
residents
said:
there's
not
a
single
police
officer
at
LAPD
who
treated
them
with
respect
and
that's
a
problem
when
you
have
a
community
saying
that
its
police
department
is
not
treating
them
with
respect.
So
now,
let's
move
to
2005,
so
we
have
New
Orleans
New
Orleans
that
was
allowed
to
supposedly
fix
itself,
and
then
we
have
Hurricane
Katrina
come
in
Hurricane
Katrina
uncovered.
N
Basically
so
many
of
the
problems
that
existed
in
the
New
Orleans
Police
Department
in
the
Danziger
bridge
case
in
2005,
you
had
a
bunch
of
officers
who
were
on
a
bridge
that
was
adjacent
to
the
Danziger
bridge.
Those
officers
claimed
that
they
heard
gunfire
and
they
commandeered
a
Ryder
truck
and
they
drove
that
Ryder
truck
over
to
the
Danziger
bridge
jumped
out
of
that
truck
and
just
started.
Shooting
the
pictures
you
see
in
you're
in
the
upper
corner.
N
There
are
of
an
18
year
old,
young
man
and
a
40
year
old
man
who
was
severely
mentally
disabled.
The
officers
killed
those
two
men,
and
not
only
did
they
kill
those
men,
the
disabled
man,
as
he
was
running
down
the
bridge.
They
shot
him
in
his
back,
but
after
they
killed
him,
they
created
they
threw
down
a
weapon
of
a
weapon
that
had
nothing
to
do
with
this.
To
say
that
the
family
was
shooting
at
the
officers
or
at
least
were
armed,
they
created
fake
witnesses,
and
then
they
created
fake
police
reports.
N
So
those
officers
under
the
statute
242,
were
prosecuted
by
the
US
Department
of
Justice.
They
were
convicted,
received
very
heavy
sentences
of
38
to
65
years.
Nonetheless,
there
was
an
issue
with
one
of
the
aus-8
who
was
not
involved
with
this
prosecution,
making
comments
in
the
local
newspapers
online
comment
section
and
the
judge
who
did
not
like
this
case
to
begin
with,
use
that
as
an
excuse
to
vacate
all
the
sentences.
N
The
officers
were
about
to
be
retried,
five
of
them
pled
guilty
and
they
received
significantly
lowere
sentences
of
seven
to
twelve
years
again.
This
was
an
apartment
that
had
a
police
officer
who
placed
on
death
row
didn't
still
have
police
officers
behaving
badly,
so
2010
a
decision
was
made
by
then
assistant
attorney,
general
Tom,
Perez
and
then
AG
Eric
Holder
to
conduct
an
investigation
of
the
New
Orleans
Police
Department
of
Parador
practice
investigation.
N
J
N
So
you
have
the
timing
here
of
the
Parana
practice
investigation
the
findings,
letters
issued
about
less
than
a
year
later
consent
decree
signed
about
a
year
later.
We
are
now
from
what
was
around
80
paragraphs
in
Pittsburgh
287
paragraphs
at
LA.
We
are
now
at
490
paragraphs
in
New,
Orleans
of
what
New
Orleans
needs
to
do.
These
are
just
some
of
the
areas
that
the
New
Orleans
consent
decree
addressed.
Okay,
it
goes
top
to
bottom
its
how
their
policies
are
written.
It
is
how
officers
are
trained
both
in
Academy
and
AD
in
service
trainings.
N
It
is
how
they
use
lethal
and
non-lethal
first
force
are
less
than
lethal
force.
Its.
How
there
are
SWAT
teams
operate
is
how
they
deal
with
people
in
mental
health
crisis.
It's
how
they
collect
data
and
where
that
data
is
published
transparently,
is
whether
or
not
people
can
videotape
officers
as
they
are
in
action
in
public.
It's
biased,
race,
gender,
LGBT,
X,
LGBTQ
status.
It
is
how
they
recruit,
how
they
promote
officers.
N
It
is
making
sure
that
officers
in
New
Orleans
we
had
a
problem
with
officers
working
second
jobs,
so
they
work
at
the
local
CVS
or
they
work
at
the
local
bank.
Those
officers
then
were
requiring
people
to
pay
them
in
cash.
We
had
to
tell
them.
You
cannot
have
police
officers
paid
in
cash;
it
had
to
do
how
they
took
in
complaints.
It
had
to
do
also
with
how
the
officers
themselves
how
the
officers
themselves
are
dealing
with
their
own
stresses,
because
at.
J
N
N
You
have
dog
bites
falling
from
56
to
from
12
sorry
to
zero.
You
have
few
hurt
high-speed
pursuits
in
your
city,
which
are
extremely
dangerous.
You
have
sexual
assaults
now.
This
is
something
that
you
actually
a
number
that
you
want
to
go
up,
because
you
want
your
population
to
trust
its
police
department.
It
goes
up
from
344
to
1100.
At
the
same
time,
while
you've
made
a
better
way
to
file
complaints,
the
number
of
complaints
goes
down
so
you're,
seeing
significant
changes
across
the
board
and
then
again
what
people
complain
about
all
the
time.
N
Is
that
while
you're
going
to
do
this
and
you're
going
to
end
up
with
poor
crime?
Well
2019
in
the
midst
of
this
consent,
decree
a
lowest
the
lowest
homicide
numbers
in
New
Orleans
in
almost
50
years,
and
those
numbers
were
going
down
for
three
straight
years,
so
you
have
been
policing
constitutional,
policing
and.
O
N
Crime,
this
can
be
done
now.
Here
is
one
of
the
problems
that
we
have
just
in
general.
One
of
the
problems
that
we
have
is
that
we
have
about
a
thousand
people
were
killed
by
the
police
each
and
every
year
a
thousand
people
killed
by
the
police
each
and
every
year,
and
this
has
become
kind
of
our
normal.
We
just
accept
that
this
number
is
visible,
are
going
to
be
killed
by
the
place
each
year.
N
N
N
So
after
the
death
of
Michael
Brown,
President
Obama
sets
up
a
task
force
on
21st
century
cliche,
an
incredibly
diverse
task,
force
of
individuals,
professional
lives,
diverse
in
races,
gender
everything
imaginable.
So
this
is
Cedric
Alexander
achieved
from
Georgia.
This
is
Lori
Robinson,
the
former
head
of
the
office
of
Justice
programs,
the
grant
making
program
for
the
Department
of
Justice.
This
is
Chuck
Ramsay,
former
chief
of
Philadelphia
of
DC
high
ranking
official
in
Chicago.
This
is
Britney
Patrick
from
black
lives
matter.
N
This
is
she
VSN,
Hill
Tucson
Arizona,
not
pictured
here
at
Tracy
beer
as
a
professor
from
Yale
Brian
Stevenson
of
just
Murphy
in
the
equal
justice,
Institute
11
people
brought
together,
who
held
under
Ron
Davis
who's,
the
head
of
a
cop's
office
for
the
Department
of
Justice,
held
hearings
across
the
country
talking
to
everyone
from
the
police
to
the
community,
to
the
business
leaders.
Taking
testimony
from
anybody
who
wanted
to
provide
testimony,
they
came
up
with
six
pillars
and
if
you
read
this,
this
document
it's
about
60
different
recommendations.
N
This
is
not
asked
for
physics.
This
is
not
rocket
science,
it
is
common
sense.
First
of
all,
police
officers
have
to
be
guardians
of
their
communities,
not
warriors.
Turning
in
to
everything
that
happens,
you
have
to
have
clear
policies
that
the
officers
understand
you
have
to
use
for
technology,
social
media.
You
have
to
know
how
great
body
care,
but
you
have
to
use
that
we
have
to
use
them
in
the
right
way.
You
use
the
latest
technology
with
them.
J
N
If
you
have
to
train
officers-
and
you
have
to
train
to
what
are
that-
are
the
top
ways
to
train
people
not
just
sitting
in
a
classroom
and
again
you
have
to
look
at
officer,
wellness
and
safety.
How
do
you
provide
for
the
officers
of
themselves
go
to
2017
and
there's
an
election
in
2017
and
when
the
first
things
that
happened
after
Donald
Trump
was
elected
as
the
Fraternal
Order
of
Police
sent
Donald
Trump's
campaign
in
wish
list
a
wish
list
of
the
things
they
wanted
to
see
and
I
have
to
tell
you.
J
N
Offensive
lists
that
a
police
department
that
a
set
of
police
officers
can
send
an
administration,
then
the
list
of
the
paternal
order
police
sent
to
the
Trump
administration,
but
what
you've
seen
as
the
Trump
administration?
Basically
ticked
down
this
list.
So
it's
everything
from
we
had
limited
the
military
equipment
that
police
officers
that
police
departments
could
get.
They
reverse
that
order.
For
some
reason,
infertile
police
found
that
they
should
weigh
in
on
daca.
Thankfully,
the
Supreme
Court
decided.
Otherwise
they
need,
for
at
least
the
rank
and
file.
N
Police
union
is
talking
about
increasing
the
use
of
private
prisons,
again,
not
clear.
Why?
But
it
tells
you
something
about
the
attitude
of
the
Fraternal
Order
of
Police
to
change
and
how
policing
should
be
done,
but
almost
more
offensively.
They
took
those
common-sense
recommendations
and
they
told
the
Trump
administration
that
we
should
get
rid
of
those
recommendations
and
really
offensively
is
they
even
went
so
far
as
to
say
that
the
ban
on
racial
profiling
should
be
lifted?
N
A
ban
on
profiling
should
be
should
be
lifted,
not
clear
why
any
police
officer
should
be
advocating
against
or
advocating
for
a
form
of
racial
profiling.
But
that's
besides
the
Fraternal
Fraternal
Order
Police
took
I
would
note
the
Fraternal
Order
of
Police
was
started
in
Pittsburgh
I
understand
so
talk
about
where
the
culture
starts,
and
then
you
have
a
president
that
is
an
opening
bad
behavior
by
police.
N
N
J
N
Nothing
out
the
life
of
a
man
who
is
telling
him
telling
him
cambree,
who
has
cried
out
for
his
dead
mother
there
for
at
least
eight
minutes,
and
you
have
any
officers
who
hear
this
that
are
free
to
give
anything
and
just
allow
this
to
happen
and
stand
there
watching
the
guard
as
this
is
happening.
That
is
a
problem.
N
So
we
talked
about
a
few
bad
apples
and
I
told
you
at
the
beginning
that
that
used
a
misnomer.
That
is.
It
is
a
problem
that
we
use
that
language
when
we're
dealing
with
policing
we're
talking
about.
Eighty
five
thousand
cops
investigated
for
misconduct,
and
that
number
is
not
even
capturing
only
bad
behavior
because
misconduct,
you
can't
get
misconduct
reports
publicly
in
numerous
departments
they
are
not
properly
investigated.
There
are
simply
no
accountability
in
most
instances
for
bad
behavior
on
the
part
of
law
enforcement
enforcement,
and
that
has
to
change.
N
J
N
To
you
that
they
should
not
be
police
officers
if
they
feel
that
way
about
the
communities
where
they
are
supposed
to
be
protecting
and
serving.
You
have
unbelievable
amounts
of
sexual
misconduct
on
the
part
of
law
enforcement
officers
close
to
four
hundred
officers
in
a
three-year
period
who
were
arrested
for
sexual
misconduct.
Arrests
in
particular,
stunning.
That's
not
even
saying
how
many
instances
their
work,
that
is,
a
problem
with
someone
who's.
N
Given
the
power
and
the
authority
of
a
police
officer,
you
have
a
police
officer,
Jesse
on
in
New,
York
reporting
police
officers
talk
about
how
the
framing
innocent
people
and
when
this
happens,
you
end
up
getting
these
convictions
reversal.
People
were
spending
time
in
jail
based
on
the
testimony
of
corrupt
police
officers,
which
means.
N
In
jail
in
the
first
place,
and
why
should
go
to
jail
once
you
go
to
prison,
your
chances
of
succeeding
in
life
decreased
substantially
and
so
lives
are
being
ruined
on
the
backs
of
corrupt
police
and
even
at
the
federal
level.
If
you
have
the
head
of
the
Park
Police,
the
current
head
of
the
Park
Police,
where
there
are
credible
complaints
about
an
illegal
body,
cavity
search
in
public
and
a
perjured
testimony
and.
N
Of
law
enforcement
for
the
u.s.
Park
Police.
So
where
do
we
go
from
here?
What
do
we
do
from
here?
Well,
first
of
all,
we
need
to
talk
a
little
bit
just
about
crime
in
this
country,
and
so
the
question
is
is
what
we
will
try
and
go
up
if
we
actually
try
to
do
something
and
make
police
more
accountable
when
I
say
to
you
that
we
have
a
crime
problem
here,
that
is
not
being
solved
by
all
the
money
that
we
are
pouring
into
policing.
N
N
N
At
the
numbers
below
that
those
are
the
numbers
of
violent
crime
numbers
and
again
they
barely
move
over
time
and
we
keep
pouring
money
into
policing.
So
we
need
to
come
up
with
a
different
solution
if
we're
going
to
have
a
different
result
with
respect
to
crime
in
this
country
and
to
be
more
specific
here
in
Pittsburgh,
okay,
you
have
amazing
drop
an
amazing
drop
in
homicides
in
Pittsburgh.
That's
your
second
row
right
there,
but
where
is
I
going?
N
If
you
look
at
Allegheny
County,
you
have
it
pretty
flat,
so
we
have
a
border
and
we
have
fewer
Knutson
in
one
part
of
that
border.
But
it's
just
ending
up
right
across
the
street.
That's
a
problem!
We
are
not
having
an
appreciable
difference
in
filing
crime
in
this
country,
we're
not
having
a
regional
difference
or
violent
crime
in
Pittsburgh.
And
if
you
look
at
that
percentage,
they're
on
the
third
row,
that's
the
clearance
rate
of
homicides.
N
N
So,
where
do
we
go
from
here?
That's
why
we
are
seeing
what
the
New
York
Times
has
noted
are
the
greatest
protest
movement
in
the
history
of
this
country,
like
people
are
demanding
change
or
their
rights
to
ban
change,
because
police
departments
cannot
fix
themselves
it's
more
than
a
few
bad
apples.
There's
news
that
we
have
to
do
in
this
country
if
we
are
in
fact
going
to
live
up
to
our
promise
a
fair
and
equitable
and
safe
lives
for
everyone.
A
C
A
H
H
That's
good,
so
it's
not
really
a
question
as
much
as
it
as
a
statement.
First,
thank
you
very
much
for
your
presentation
for
the
honesty
in
it
and
all
the
data
that
you
presented.
It
is
very
important
fantastic
of
you
to
do
that.
So.
Thank
you.
My
comment
and
kinda
in
the
question
is:
where
is
the
data
regarding
sexual
misconduct?
You
know
in
35
states,
including
Pennsylvania.
There
is
a
bill
currently
waiting
to
be
passed
in
Harrisburg.
H
Hopefully
it
will
where
that
it
is
completely
legal
for
police
to
have
non-consensual
sex
really
with
someone
who
is
in
their
custody.
I
know
that
we're
talking
a
lot
about
police
brutality,
but
I
think
that
would
fall
along
the
lines
of
police
brutality
in
its
own
wave.
If
that
is
included
in
your
data,
then
fantastic.
If
not,
would
you
see
something
like
that,
including
the
numbers
increasing
it?
Is
there
anything
that
you've
seen
where
any
type
of
a
misconduct
like
that
has
been?
H
You
know,
there's
been
things
implemented
by
the
police
in
those
different
states
to
bring
it
into
that?
Is
it
as
simple
as
changing
the
law
I
apologize.
If
I
don't
have
like
a
clear
spot
for
my
st.
Anne's
I'm,
just
taking
her
back
by
the
knowledge
that
that's
not
illegal
here,
yeah.
N
J
N
It
is
one
of
the
most
obvious.
Oh
sorry,
yeah.
It
is
one
of
the
most
obvious
changes
that
we
have
to
make
in
laws
across
this
country.
There
is
no
reason
why
a
police
officers
should
be
able
to
have
sexual
contact
with
someone
who
they
have
in
custody.
There's
no
reason,
and
so
yes,
changing
the
law
is
a
start
as
to
what
needs
to
happen
so,
but
we
have
to
change
the
culture
because
I'm
telling
you
when
you
have
you,
know
four
officers
watching,
but
when
you
have
seventeen
officers
watching
four
officers
beat
someone.
N
Not
only
do
you
want
them
to
stop
that's
happening,
you
want
them
to
intervene.
You
want
them
to
report
their
fellow
officers
and
it
just
doesn't
happen
in
policing
and
I
know.
New
Orleans
has
what
is
right
now
considered
a
model
program
for
police
officers
to
intervene
when
they
see
bad
conduct
on
the
part
of
fellow
officers.
This
doesn't
happen
in
secret
officers.
Know
when
other
officers
are
bad
officers,
there's
just
no
way
for
them
to
step
in
and
step
to
step
in
to
make
sure
that
that
this
conduct
doesn't
continue.
L
So
so,
if
I
may,
thank
you
miss
Austin
for
your
presentation.
The
one
thing
that
stood
out
to
me
through
your
whole
presentation
was
how
we
did
had
a
consent
decree.
We
had
two
friends
that
were
watching
over
all
the
police
activity
that
was
going
on
so
when
I
gather
from
this
whole
thing
that
you
present,
it
is
really
that
that
we
really
had
to
have
a
whole
better
oversight
on
the
police.
Now.
L
The
second
thing
that
that
that
isn't
known
could
be
known
by
some
folks
on
this
call
is
that
the
police
have
their
own
web
private
website.
You
know
blue
nights,
you
know,
and
so
I
stayed
on
and
it's
a
private
website.
You
know
you
know
it's
a
meat-eater
that
only
a
select
part
of
the
police
force
has
and
I'm
gonna
say
it
that
it's
mostly
all
all
white
folks
who
are
on
this
website.
It's
about
the
culture
if
we're
really
gonna
change.
This
is
what
I
want
us
to
really
be
about.
L
N
Yeah,
so
thank
you
for
your
question.
Richard
a
couple
things
that
to
unpackage
there
number
one
is
you've
got
to
do
the
deep
dive.
You
need
to
understand
how
the
police
are
currently
policing
and
you
got
to
look
at
all
aspects
of
it
from
from
the
very
basic
policies
to
how
they're
training
operates
and
I
know
that
this
takes
a
long
time
and
I
heard
your
conversation
beforehand,
there's
frustration
and
going
in
there
and
spending
the
time
to
do
that.
N
But
at
some
point
someone,
some
experts
have
to
go
in
there
and
look
and
see
how
they're
doing
every
aspect
of
policing
and
then
the
second
part
of
it
is.
How
do
you
make
sure
that
there
is
oversight
oversight
with
teeth?
I
mean
there
are
lots
of
civilian
review
panels?
Do
they
have
subpoena
power?
Are
they
able
to
institute
discipline
on
officers?
Are
they
able
to
change
policies
when
they
see
something
going
wrong
in
real
time?
N
N
It's
for
Pittsburgh
to
decide
that,
and
so
you
have
to
find
ways
to
make
sure
that
that
happens,
but
there
have
to
be
repercussions
for
bad
conduct
and
that
simply
doesn't
happen
in
policing
right
now
in
part,
because
you
know
a
union
that
is
willing
to
put
out
a
document
saying
that
we
should
end
the
ban
on
racial
profiling
is
an
organization
that
clearly
does
not
want
any
officers
to
be
held
accountable
for
bad
behavior
and
that's
a
real
problem.
Thank
you
very
question.
Richard
Nathan.
A
R
Thank
you
as
well.
Mr.
Ellison
field.
Presentations
really
could
I.
Ask
you
when
you
look
at
the
consent?
Decrees
from
New,
Orleans
and
Pittsburgh
and
other
situations
that
you
assess
in
the
dado,
we're,
of
course,
with
your
career.
What
prevented
the
consent?
Decrees
from
sticking
and
I'd
be
curious
to
know
specifically
for
Pittsburgh
and
what
needs
to
happen
to
prevent
these
from
being
lifted
going
forward.
Where
were
the
shortfalls.
N
So
with
Pittsburgh
you
have
with
Pittsburgh,
you
have
the
foremost
expert
in
professor
Harris
to
talk
to
you
about
kind
of
what
has
happened,
but
but
the
bottom
line
is:
is
political
leadership
changed
in
Pittsburgh
political
leadership
changed
in
Pittsburgh,
which
no
longer
felt
the
need
to
ensure
that
the
police
bureau
there
was
acting
aboveboard?
In
all
cases,
it
was
more
interested
in
looking
tough
at
crime.
N
It
was
more
interested
in
currying
favor
with
the
police
union
than
it
was
and
making
sure
there
was
fair
and
equitable
policing,
and
then
you
bring
in
a
chief
who
is
not
as
strong.
That
is
not
as
committed
to
this,
and
then
the
culture
just
falls
back
into
place.
Where
you
have
a
bunch
of
people
and
look.
Police
officers
are
again
human
beings
who
want
to
when
they
use
when
they
joined
the
force
sort
of
the
most
part.
N
N
Going
to
fall
right
back
into
the
culture
of
over
policing,
certain
neighborhoods
under
policing,
other
neighborhoods,
using
excessive
force,
the
same
problems
and
so
I
believe
that's
what
happened
in
Pittsburgh.
There
was
a
change
in
leadership,
a
change
in
political
leadership
and
a
loss
of
accountability,
discipline
and
ton
of
the
regular
order.
K
Yeah,
thank
you
I'm.
Sorry,
thank
you
for
being
patient.
I
really
appreciate
you
coming
to
speak
to
us
Roy.
It
was
very,
very
helpful
and
I
would
agree
with
the
last
thing
you
said
there
was
simply
a
change
in
administration's.
In
fact,
there
were
two
and
you
went
through
a
couple
of
police
chiefs
and
we
ended
up
with
chief
Harper,
who
was
not
empowered,
even
if
he
had
been
interested
in
keeping
the
consent
decree
vital
and
it
just
fell
apart.
K
Just
like
you
described
yeah,
there
has
to
be
a
commitment
from
the
top
to
make
those
things
work
that
is
sustained
over
a
long
period
of
time
and
that
simply
disappeared.
What
I
was
gonna
ask
is
in
a
way
to
reinforce
Richards
comment
about
culture,
because
that
is.
That
is
the
key
to
all
of
this.
You,
you
mentioned
a
New
Orleans
program
that
I'd
like
you
to
enlarge
upon
just
a
little
bit.
I
think
you
were
referring
to
the
epic
program.
K
N
I
am
NOT
an
expert
on
the
program
that
the
program
actually
started
happening
after
I
was
no
longer
part
of
the
consent
decree
it's
something
which
I
would.
Actually.
It
is
the
the
judge.
In
the
case,
a
federal
judge,
independent
of
the
Department
of
Justice
and
have
been
independent
of
the
police
department,
loves
this
program.
N
They
will
be
destroyed
if
they
are
found
to
have
reported
a
foe
officer
for
any
level
of
misconduct
by
both
the
Union
and
by
even
non-union
fellow
officers.
But
you
have
to
create
a
program
for
the
police
to
be
able
to
do
that,
and
so
that
is
the
epic
program
in
very
very
brief.
But
I
think
it's
something
that
you
and
Pittsburgh
should
certainly
study
and
see
if
it
is
something
that
could
work
or
something
like
that,
I
mean
the
epic
program
is
kind
of
first
of
its
kind
and
at
that
level.
F
No
thank
you
just
hitting
the
phone
and
I
apologize
and
thank
you
for
the
presentation,
more
of
an
observation
and
maybe
a
question
in
it
as
well.
But
when
your
presentations
in
the
beginning
had
the
Rodney
King
beating
and
the
results
of
that
it,
we
talk,
but
not
talking
about
the
rate
racism
right.
The
racism
at
the
root
of
all
of
this
and
for
whatever
programs
for
whatever
trainings
there
are.
N
J
N
The
word
racism
in
my
presentation,
but
I
definitely
talked
about
the
impact
that
bad
policing
has
on
African
Americans,
and
it
is
enormous-
and
you
know
part
of
that
is
who
the
police
officers
are
I.
Don't
know
how
diverse
the
police
department
is
in
Pittsburgh.
That
is
not
in
itself
a
solution,
given
the
cliche
blue
before
black
that
some
people
often
say,
but
it
is
part
of
it-
is
having
having
a
diverse
police
force.
Having
people
who
grew
up
and
understand
the
city
understand
the
community
to
be
a
part
of
that
community.
N
We
want
to
be
guardians
of
that.
Community
is
a
part
of
it,
but
there's
no
question,
but
police
officers
are
just
that.
There's
race
involved
in
this
decision
making,
but
police
officers
are
just
doing
the
same
thing
that
everybody
else
does,
but
they
have
more
power.
Okay,
so
it's
the
same
thing
we
see
in
our
educational
system.
It's
the
same
thing
we
see
in
our
employment
system.
It's
the
same
thing.
N
We
see
when
a
when
a
person
clutches
their
purse
when
a
young
black
man
walks
by
them
is
the
same
thing
that
we
see
everywhere
else,
but
the
police
actually
have
the
power
to
do
something
and
do
something
meaning
to
be
over
aggressive
when
they're
arresting
them
to
follow
innocent
people.
I
mean
this
is
a
problem
with
the
hit
rate.
N
This
is
a
problem,
it's
kind
of
how
police
operated
in
the
world
of
drugs
if
they
are
supposed
to
be
able
to
figure
out
who
is
suspicious
and
then
act
very,
very
quickly
and
aggressively
toward
that
person.
Well,
the
problem
is
probably
a
good
90
percent
of
the
time,
they're
wrong
and
then
you're
destroying
a
community
and
you're,
basing
that
on.
Well,
that
looks
like
a
young
black
man.
His
pants
are
down
he's
wearing
a
hoodie
he's
doing
whatever
he's
going
to
be
aggressive,
he's
probably
a
drug
dealer,
if
he's
not
a
drug
dealer.
N
So
what?
If
I
arrest
him?
What
if
I
search
him
I'll,
let
him
go
at
the
end
of
that
so,
but
these
are
all
the
same
problems
that
we
see
in
society
writ
large
across.
All
of
our
systems
and
again
the
problem
it
with
policing,
is
that
they
have
a
gun.
They
have
a
right
to
use
that
gun
and
they
have
less
accountability
when
they
do
so.
D
Brandy
and
I
worked
on
a
police
reform
package
out
of
the
Jordan
miles
situation
good
miles,
please
reform
legislation.
Four
things
happen
out
of
that.
We
got
the
commitment
from
the
city,
but
have
videos
in
the
cars
we
have
the
commitment
to
have
body
cams.
It
took
a
little
while
to
get
that
they
started
the
bike
police
and
now
it's
system-wide.
D
We
got
a
commitment
for
a
extensive
annual
report,
which
is
much
more
extensive
than
in
the
past.
The
fourth
piece,
though,
is
something
I
personally
advocated
strongly
for
consent.
Decree
was
Austin
ended
on
Friday,
the
13th
2002
in
federal
court
out
of
there
it
was
started
with
the
NACP,
which
I
was
president
at
the
time
and
big
ball
check
from
the
ACLU
parents
against
violence
of
the
five-year
plan
that
ended
on
the
13th
2002.
D
One
of
the
things
that
we
pushed
for
was
the
codification
of
the
consent
decree
and
we
got
City
Council
to
agree
to
do
so.
Nate
Hartford
first
resisted.
Then
he
later
said.
Well,
maybe
that's
what
we
should
do
my
request
of
mr.
Austin
and
David
Harris.
Would
you
review.
We
have
a
4-pete
legislation
package
and
our
citizen
police
review
police
director
mentioned
that
we
had
21
meetings.
Just
to
finish
that
package.
It
took
at
least
a
year
and
a
half,
maybe
two
and
a
half
or
a
year
and
a
half
to
complete
the
package.
D
I
believe
it
was
2013,
because
we
were
the
first
consent
decree
in
the
nation
and
we
want
to
make
sure
what
was
committed
was
in
fact
cata
codified,
because
when
I
said
what
we
don't
want
to
depend
on
who
the
mayor
is
or
who
the
police
chief
is
that
these
policies
and
procedures
being
pursued
and
implemented
ongoingly.
Is
there
an
answer
between
mr.
austin
and
david
has.
N
So
let
me
just
answer,
and-
and
that
is
that
as
good
as
I
think
the
Pittsburgh
police
consent
decree
was
we're
in
a
different
world
right
now.
The
rural
host
George
Floyd
allows
you
to
do
more
about
policing
that
many
of
us
who've
been
working
on
this
for
decades
and
I'm
not
going
to
I'm
not
going
to
age.
David
David
was
probably
about
20-25,
but
older
people
like
myself,
have
been
working
on.
N
We
are
in
a
whole
different
world
right
now
and
I
think,
first
and
foremost,
instead
of
looking
at
what
was
done
in
Pittsburgh
I
would
look
at
the
most
recent
consent.
Decree
which
is
Baltimore
and
I
would
see
whether
or
not
you're
doing
those
things
and
then
I
would
take
a
step
further
and
look
at
what
is
in
the
justice
and
policing
Act,
because
that
is
the
furthest
reaching
piece
of
legislation
that
I
have
ever
seen
on.
Dealing
with
policing.
N
K
R
Yes,
thank
you
just
and
Tim
actually
alluded
to
this.
My
question
was
gonna,
be
you
know
what
steps
in
your
opinion,
mr.
Austin,
can
or
should
be
taken
so
that
you
know
our
city
and
our
sue.
The
citizens
of
our
city
are
protected
when
there
is
a
change
in
administration
absent
either
state
legislative
or
federal
legislative
action
being
taken
laws
being
passed
in
order
to
you
know,
prevent
you
know
every
administration,
there's
a
change,
consent
review
gets
lifted
or
what
have
you?
What
steps
would
you
would
you
suggest
you.
N
Have
to
do
it
in
the
form
of
whatever
the
civilian
review
panel
is
and
whoever
you
put
on
that
and
give
them
terms
that
outlast
the
politics
of
this,
but
it
has
to
have
teeth.
It
has
to
be
able
to
dig
in
and
look
at
the
investigations
that
are
done
on
how
you
know
it's
got.
It's
got
to
be
able
to
discipline
officers,
it's
got,
it's
got
to
have
real
authority
and
that
body
will
outlast
any
kind
of
political
winds,
but
that's
the
only
that's
that's
the
only
thing
I
can
think
of.
N
In
addition
to
kind
of
codifying
some
of
the
changes
and
making
them
part
of
law,
and
that
the
only
way
you
can
change
them
is
by
some
very
transparent
vote,
but
even
so
it
is
the
day-to-day
activities
of
police
that
have
to
be
looked
at
by
a
by
a
body
that
has
full-time
authority
to
look
at
those
things
and
to
insist
on
changes,
because
the
other
thing
is
policing
is
just
changing.
I
mean
we
weren't
talking
about
body
cameras
in
95
and
97
that
wasn't
even
that
wasn't
even
a
thought.
N
H
What
question
that
I
have
for
you
is:
how
would
you
go
about
forming
a
conversation
with
the
Fraternal
Order
of
Police,
because
and
based
on
what
I
saw
in
your
presentation?
That
is
really
a
huge
issue.
Is
the
FOP
a
number
so
and
it
was
started
here
in
Pittsburgh,
we
will
meet
with
them
next
Monday.
And
how
would
you
go
about
that
conversation
and
also
may
we
please
have
a
copy
of
your
presentation
to
keep
on
our
Drive,
so.
N
N
So
there
are
officers
out
there
who
want
to
do
the
right
thing
and
they
they
can't
in
this
current
environment.
So
you
have
to
provide
space
and
room
for
them
to
come
in
and
have
honest
conversations
with
you.
We've
seen
in
a
new
number
of
cities.
I
don't
know,
Pittsburgh
has
this,
but
your
black
officers
often
don't
join
your
FOP.
They
create
their
own
organization.
I
have
to
tell
you
across
the
nation.
Only
12%
of
officers
are
women.
N
You
need
to
have
a
serious
sit-down
with
female
officers
and
hear
how
they
are
oftentimes
much
better
at
policing
than
are
the
male
officers,
because
they
realize
that
they
don't
want
to
get
into
a
fistfight
with
somebody
across
across
from
them.
Okay,
they
want
to
figure
out
a
way
to
de-escalate
the
situation,
to
handle
the
situation,
because
there's
no
reason
to
get
into
a
fistfight
over
where
you
have
a
lot
of
male
officers.
N
You
feel
like
you
know
what,
if
I
don't
get
into
a
fight
today,
I
haven't
done
my
job,
but
you
have
to
get
past
the
leadership
you
have
to
get
in
some
ways
and
I
know
that
this
is
an
open
and
transparent,
Task
Force.
But
you
need
to
find
ways
to
have
those
private
conversations
with
officers
to
hear
what
it
is
that
they
want,
because
they
know
what's
wrong
with
their
police
departments.
They
know
the
officers
who
are
racist
and
sexist,
who
are
using
force
to
optics.
N
N
Big
progressive
of
a
big
liberal,
I
love
ujin's,
but
the
police
union
has
been
given
too
much
power
because
they
have
too
much
money
and
too
many
members
and
they
are
protecting
their
own
they're
doing
what
anybody
would
do
if
they
were
given
that
kind
of
power
and
authority.
Well,
that
needs
to
be
taken
from
them.
The
ability
to
to
form
agreements
on
how
a
misconduct
investigation
is
run.
They
deserve
due
process.
N
They
deserve
the
same
rights
as
anybody
else
who's
being
investigated,
but
they
don't
deserve
more
rights
than
everybody
else,
but
have
them
get
in
front
of
the
people
of
Pittsburgh?
Explain
to
them
why
they
need
to
have
more
rights
than
everybody
else,
I,
don't
think
they
have
I,
don't
think
they
can
explain
that
and
then
you
start
working
at
it
from
there.
Q
Great,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr.
Ellison,
for
your
presentation.
You
know
kind
of
building
on
the
last
comment
about
you
know
some
of
the
accountability
and
transparency
have
you
seen
where
the
conversation
and
the
expectations
is
clearly
articulated
to
the
communities
so
that
they're
able
to
hold
that
level
of
accountability
towards
elected
officials
who
will
then
hold
it
towards
law
enforcement,
but
it
also
seems
like
it
might
be.
A
good
way
to
put
you
know,
change
the
culture,
because
officers
will
feel
a
little
bit
more
protected
that
the
community
has
these
expectations.
Q
N
And
it's
look:
it's
not
easy,
and
every
everybody
in
the
community
has
you
know
they
have
their
own
financial
worries.
Their
own
family
worries
they're,
just
trying
to
get
to
the
to
the
next
ball
game.
They're,
just
try
to
you
know,
feed
folks
in
their
families
and
so
getting
people
to
pay
attention
to.
N
You
need
to
bring
the
faith
community
to
the
table
and
have
one
of
these
sessions
with
the
faith
community
and
let
them
testify
and
let
them
tell
you
what's
happening-
you
could
do
with
it
shooting
with
a
business
community.
You
need
to
do
it
with
the
disability
community,
with
the
LGBT
community,
with
the
black
community
with
the
Latino
community.
You
need
to
you
need
to
create
space
for
open
and
honest
conversation
with
different
parts
of
your
community
and
you
have
to
go
to
them.
N
You
have
to
make
it
as
easy
as
possible
in
you
have
to
go
to
that,
and
you
have
to
be
prepared
with
facts
and,
at
the
same
time,
listen
to
that.
Listen
to
what
they're
saying!
Look!
You
have
to
go
to
your
wealthy
communities
and
your
less
wealthy
communities
ask
the
wealthy
communities
what
it
is
that
they
want
what
they
need,
what
they
expect
from
their
police
say:
that's
the
less
wealthy
community,
what
they
want,
what
they
need,
what
they
see
from
their
police
say
it's
a
it's
a
long,
difficult,
thoughtful
process.
N
They
want
to
see
fairness,
they
want
to
see
less
racial
strife.
They
all
want
to
see
this,
and
so,
if
you,
if
you
go
to
them,
if
you
put
in
the
time,
you
may
have
to
brace
yourselves
up
into
different
groups
because
I
know
all
of
you
have
other
jobs,
but
you've
got
to
bring
them
to
the
table.
You
got
to
hear
them
out.
You
got
to
provide
them
with.
You
know,
a
presentation
that
tells
them
honestly
what
what
is
happening
in
policing
in
Pittsburgh.
N
N
B
N
This
is
a
hard
one
and
in
many
ways
a
new
one,
because
I
think
the
feeling
has
always
been
give
the
police
more
resources
to
do
things.
I
would
use
Sharon
I
would
use
our
example
from
justice
reinvestment
from
DOJ.
So
the
idea
that
if
we
save
money
on
incarceration
and
we
incarcerate
fewer
people,
where
do
we
transfer
that
money
to
and
I
think
jri
was
something
that
we
did
at
the
Ogier
share.
That
could
be
a
useful
starting
point
for
this,
though,
in
policing.
This
is
a
different
conversation.
N
N
If
you
send,
in
you
know
four
police
officers
I,
don't
think
your
social
workers
necessarily
all
want
to
go
into
these
situations
right
now
without
some
kind
of
cover,
but
someone
there
to
both
talk
down
and
deescalate
the
situation,
someone
to
provide
protection
you're
going
to
start
to
see
ways
that
you
can
reduce
the
heavy
hand
of
policing.
If
you,
if
you
start
a
program
like
that
I
think
Portland
is
the
first
place
that
we
did
kind
of
an
exclusive
crisis
intervention
program.
N
The
other
place
is
your
schools
what
to
do
with
school
resource
officers?
It's
a
place
to
lower
the
temperature,
maybe
lower
the
footprint
of
police,
while
at
the
same
time
you
know,
we
have
to
recognize
that
that
many
of
our
urban
schools
need
some
kind
of
protection
from
drugs
and
guns
and
weapons.
But
what
does
that
look
like
if
it's
someone
other
than
an
armed
officer
and
tends
someone
other
than
an
armed
officer,
be
there
you're
your
primary
person,
who's
involved
with
that
in
your
schools?
So
I
think
you
have
to
pick
this.
N
You
have
to
look
at
different
places
where
police
operates.
I
think
there's
a
huge
question
as
to
what
do
you
do
is
about
drug
interdiction,
because
so
much
of
policing
is
around
how
they
do
drug
interdiction
and
I.
Think
communities
have
to
decide
what
they
want
to
do
with
that.
It
I
don't
have
an
answer,
but
that's
huge
resources
expended
on
jump-out
squads
and
opera.
N
You
know
by
bus
and
all
these
different
things
with
with
really
pretty
low
get
rates
and
a
decision
ignore
your
majority-white
or
your
wealthier
neighborhoods,
because
we
know
that
the
statistics
show
that
black
people
do
not
need
drugs
any
more
than
white
people,
but
your
police
operations
always
happen.
Your
high
crime
areas,
which
always
seem
to
be
your
black
neighborhoods.
N
K
K
There
are
commentators,
Chuck,
Wexler
and
others
who
talk
about
shootings
that
are
awful
but
lawful,
and
we
have
seen
we've
begun
to
see
use
of
force
law
change
at
the
state
level.
Even
if
the
Supreme
Court
will
never
change
it.
We've
got
the
first
few
state-level
jurisdictions.
Making
these
kinds
of
changes
our
legislature
has
had
a
pending
bill
for
over
a
year
now
introduced
by
a
representative
or
two
from
our
very
County.
K
That
has
just
sit
it's
just
sitting
and
my
I
guess
my
question
is:
do
you
see
any
reason
that
a
city
cannot
make
a
by
its
own
law
dictate
policy
to
its
Police
Department?
That
sets
its
own
use
of
force
standard?
Is
there
any
reason
that
we
Pittsburgh
could
not
pass
a
bill
just
like
summerlee's
she's,
the
representative?
If
we
decided
that
was
good
for
us,
you.
N
Know
I,
David
I
actually
don't
know
the
answer
to
that
question
as
far
as
because
because
statutes
the
statute
that
officers
would
be
prosecuted
under
are
state
statutes.
I
know
there
are
municipal
codes,
I,
don't
know
that
I've
ever
seen
a
municipal
code
that
deals
with
deadly
force,
but
I'm
not
sure
that
there
there
couldn't
be
one
and.
K
N
Okay,
well
without
question
I
mean
Pittsburgh
could
set
a
policy
that
requires
that
deadly
force
can
only
be
used
as
a
last
resort
and
start
training
their
officers
on
that.
That
requires
that
you
take
steps
toward
the
escalation
first.
That
requires
that
you
that
you
intervene.
If
you
see
a
fellow
officer
doing
something
that
is
improper,
you
can
certainly
do
that
by
way
of
policy,
and
you
can
certainly
do
that
by
way
of
training
and
by
the
way
you
have
to
get
rid
of
all
of
these
side.
Training
programs
that
police
officers
go
to.
N
But
you
know
you
can
you
can
get
rid
of,
and
this
is
what
all
the
early
warning
systems
do.
Is
they
tell
you
when
an
officer
that
can
badly?
If
you
change
the
discipline
system,
you
can
terminate
those
officers
more
quickly
and
that's
something
that
you
can
do
at
the
municipal
at
the
city
level,
and
that
may
be
something
that
that
needs
to
be
done
while
waiting
for
the
state
to
catch
up.
Thank
you,
but
I
can
tell
you
Center,
County,
being
the
best
County
in
Pennsylvania.
H
Just
circling
back
for
what
you
said
about
trainings
and
I,
appreciate
you
bringing
that
up
because
a
lot
of
Pittsburgh,
police
and
I
don't
know
exact
numbers
train
with
the
Israeli
Defense
Force
for
counterterrorism,
and
it's
something
that
is
probably
not
publicly
known.
I
know
it
because
I'm
Jewish
and
it's
our
community
takes
pride
in
that
for
some
reason
and
I
know
that
a
lot
of
outside
trainings
happen,
but
how
the
police
are
trained.
N
Well,
let
me
tell
you:
I
mean
the
one
thing:
you
can't
do
your
jobs
unless
you
have
complete
access
to
everything
that
the
police
department
is
doing,
but
you
cannot
be
keeping
things
secret
from
from
this
task
force.
With
this
task
force
to
do
its
job,
so
I
would
say
you
should
be
able
to
ask
that
question
and
get
an
answer
from
them
and
if
they
don't
know
where
their
officers
are
going
and
receiving
training,
and
there
you
have
a
very
clear
and
obvious
problem.
N
N
Then
that
officer
is
receiving
paid
vacation
time
for
being
disciplined
and
that's
a
real
problem,
and
so
these
are
things
that
questions
that
need
to
be
asked
for
you
to
is
to
get
answers
for,
but
yeah
you
can't
do
your
job
unless
the
police
department
I,
heard
a
discussion
over
whether
or
not
you
talked
to
the
Chiefs,
not
not
to
weigh
in
too
much
on
your
private
discussions
but
yeah.
You
should
bring
the
chief
in
next
week
and
you
should
bring
him
in
the
week
after
that
and
the
week
after
that.
H
N
N
They
seem
to
be
involved
in
in
kind
of
the
not
creating
a
true
list
of
officers
who
have
been
disciplined
so
that
officers
have
freedom
to
leave
and
join
other
forces.
Other
departments
I,
don't
know
how
much
they
weigh
in
on
an
individual
case,
but
the
general
policy
of
us
not
having
a
national
database
of
officers
who
have
been
disciplined
is
certainly
the
work
of
the
FOP.
H
G
D
You
very
much
talk
about
Tim
seems
to
have
a
quick
one
for
mr.
Austin
if
he
would
not
mind
sending
us
in
his
opinion.
The
key
summary
points
of
his
presentation.
I
know
you
agree.
I
know
you
agreed
to
share
the
entire
presentation,
but
if
you
could
summarize
the
key
points
that
you
think
this
illustrious
past
for
a
pizza
pie.
A
N
Happy
to
have
I'm
happy
to
have
future
conversations
with
you,
I'm,
probably
not
to
take
on
another
written
assignment
right
now
and
I
I
apologize
for
that.
But
I
do
have
a
have
a
group
of
colleagues
who
wonder
why
I'm
even
doing
this
stuff,
all
the
time
so
I
do
want
to
I
apologize
it,
but
I
will
send
you
the
presentation,
I'm
happy
to
have
conversation.
A
A
So
I
want
to
extend
my
thanks
and
appreciation
for
you
taking
the
time
and
also
thank
our
Task
Force
member
Sharon
Lerner,
for
mentioning
your
name
and
the
value
that
you
would
bring
to
the
group
helping
us
to
look
at
a
national
picture
as
weeds
on
in
under
work
we're
going
to
do
in
Pittsburgh.
Thank
you
very
much
and.
E
N
N
A
A
So
I
appreciate
your
patience
and
allowing
the
speaker
I
pologize,
also
for
not
getting
this
out.
I
left
on
probably
doing
my
vacation.
In
fact,
I'm
on
vacation
now
and
I
didn't
get
online
until
today.
So
I
didn't
get
the
time
to
go
on
and
do
the
formal
agenda
like
I
normally
do,
but
I
would
make
it
great
effort
to
get
them
out
in
the
future.
Before
our
leading.
C
There
was
a
lot
that
he
had
and
Sharon
the
one
thing
he
couldn't
touch
upon,
because
it's
probably
the
hottest
topic
and
me
and
Brandi
had
a
convo,
its
arbitration.
How
cops
get
you
know,
cops
get
back
on
and
a
couple
of
things
I
wanted
to
just
mention
to
the
group
as
thoughts
is
that
two
things
one
is
to
possibly
get
an
update
from
our
state
legislators
or
somebody
from
the
state
as
to
the
status
of
things
and
state.
What
changes
can
we
advocate
for
that
would
impact
our
recommendations.
C
It
may
enhance
it.
I,
don't
know
the
other
thing
is
in
talking
with
the
mayor.
He
acknowledges
the
oversight
of
having
anyone
from
the
faith-based
community
on
board.
We
just
not
too
many
years
ago.
We
had
a
tragedy
at
the
Tree
of
Life,
so
we've
got
and
then
there's
people
that
have
been
in
the
trip
that
are
from
the
faith-based
community
that
are
doing
great
things
in
the
community,
working
with
police
holding
them
accountable,
etc.
C
So
those
are
two
things
doctor
bullet
I'd
like
to
bring
up
as
far
as
it
engaging
that
constituency,
either
separately
or
in
fuse
with
other
committees
that
you
have,
but
whether
this
those
are
just
some
on
them
on
the
ground
presentations.
As
we
kick
off
with
a
national
expert,
maybe
we
can
start
drilling
down
into
where
we're
at
good.
M
I
just
raised
my
hand
just
I
know.
Our
time
is
short,
so
just
wanted
to
get
a
sense
of
next
steps.
I
know
we
have
the
subcommittees.
Is
there
I
would
like
to
propose
that
we
get
those
finalized,
so
those
committees
can
start
to
to
meet
I'm,
also
I'm
willing
to
volunteer
to
being
the
unbundling
committee.
I
know
we
had
talked
about
the
fact
that
there
are
more
subcommittees
than
you
probably
have
enough
people
to
put
them
on,
and
we
are
talked
about.
M
O
A
Regards
to
the
subcommittee's,
my
goal
was
to
have
finalized
it
last
Thursday
on
Thursday.
When
we
received
the
report,
we
had
only
eight
responders
on
of
those
eight
respondents.
It
covers
all
of
the
subcommittee's
and
I
would
like
to
have
everyone
respond.
The
goal
was
to
have
been
empower
each
subcommittee
to
begin
to
review
the
Dana
research
invite
speakers
to
their
various
committees
to
begin
the
work,
and
then
we
will
report
back
to
the
larger
and
committee.
A
A
A
D
A
The
legislation,
let
your
breakfast
and
falls
across
each
one
of
these
subcommittees,
there's
a
great
value
for
the
subcommittees
to
approach
the
legislation
specific
to
the
errors
that
they're
working
in
then
it
has
the
meat
and
the
content
that
you're
bringing
forth
with
the
report
to
help,
explain
and
justify
reaction
that
you
are
wanting
to
bring
forth.
I'm
misunderstanding
that
I
would
like
to
hear
other
committee
members
to
speak
up.
P
A
B
K
Dr.
Bullock
I
think
your
approach
makes
sense
because
there's
going
to
be
legislation
in
a
lot
of
different
areas
and,
for
instance,
there's
a
whole
raft
of
use-of-force
legislation.
That's
out
there.
That
committee
should
look
for
that.
Every
committee
should
be
tasked
with,
among
other
things,
looking
for
a
legislation
that
might
apply
to
their
area.
I.
Just
think
that
makes
that
sufficient.
P
A
K
A
A
Next
week,
I
know
there's
that
was
mixed
views
on
inviting
senators
from
Pittsburgh
Bureau
of
police,
but
to
assure
it
is
a
worth
while
preliminary
discussion.
It
would
be
helpful
if
we
could
get
the
questions
in
advance
so
that
we
could
present
them
to
the
bureau
and
they
can
ensure
they
have
the
right
individuals
specific
to
those
areas
focused
participate
in
the
conversation
because
to
but
not
experts
and
everything,
but
they
would
ensure
that
persons
who
are
responsible
or
have
a
knowledge
foundation
will
participate
in
that
conversation.
A
So
if
you
will
all
identify
any
questions
that
you
want
to
present,
send
them
to
Valerie
and
I,
we
will
compile
them
and
we'll
get
them
to
them
in
advance
so
that
they
can
adequately
prepare
and
and
respond.
In
addition
to
any
follow-up
questions
and
that
you
can
get
those
questions
to
us
by
five
o'clock
when's,
the
event
will
be
very
helpful.
Andrew
the
do
you
have
a
handle.
Is
it
still
up
I.
H
A
I'm
so
I
believe
this
gives
us
quite
a
bit
of
action
next
next
steps
that
we
can
begin
to
work
on
next,
our
three
committees
led
by
Angela
on
the
unbundling
David
on
the
use
of
force
and
Bobby
and
accountability
each
task
force.
Member
is
also
asked
to
send
any
questions
that
you
would
like
us
to
Valerie
and
I
by
five
o'clock
on
Wednesday.
We
will
in
turn,
send
those
questions
to
Barrow
police
and
they
would
have
identified
individuals
who
are
responsible,
and
that
includes
school
policing.
A
That's
a
point
of
that
same
conversation,
because
it's
it's
begins
that
conversation
and
then
we'll
know
where
to
go
from
there
and
then
the
other
is
we're
asking
all
task
force
members
to
please
identify
which
subcommittee
you
would
like
to
serve
on
once
we
get
that
above
the
ones
that
have
signed.
We
will
respond
to
you
individually
to
discuss
your
assignments
based
on
the
registry.
C
In
addition,
if
you
all
have
questions
that
that
the
police
chief
and/or,
the
police
bureau,
cannot
answer
or
the
Department
of
Public
Safety,
it
may
be
a
legal
question.
I
was
told
that,
particularly
with
arbitration
honestly,
you
talk
about
accountability
and
discipline.
It's
the
biggest
problem
that
we
have
and
it's
state
I
asked,
can
anything
be
done
and
there
is
a
person
in
the
law,
department,
she's,
an
assistant
solicitor
and
she
got
a
handle
set,
and
she
said
she
I
was
told
she's
the
kind
of
person
that
will
very
much
so
educate.
C
You
can
give
you
real
situations.
You
will
appreciate
her
presentation,
it's
just
something
to
consider
as
well,
since
a
lot
of
these
things
are
dictated
by
law
dictated
by
whatever.
Recently
litigation
is
an
issue.
Recent
litigation
is
why
a
lot
of
things
cannot
be
discussed
that
you
guys
want
to
discuss,
but
it's
you
can't
now,
because
it's
been
filed
in
court
announced
and
see
hold
on
one
second
I
believe
that's
it.
Oh
I
will
be
making
sure
that
there's
other
information
posts,
the
ACLU
2015
lawsuit.
C
That
dictates
here
not
a
consent
decree
we're
under
court
order
for
certain
things
that
impact
some
of
the
conversation
that
we
have
as
well
as
something
with
the
police.
Oh
it'll
come
to
me.
I
got
too
many
notes
all
over
the
place,
but
dr.
Bullock
and
I
are
speaking
with
people
to
make
sure
that
we
have
a
robust
and
a
broad
discussion
so
again,
very
informed
thinking
outside
the
box.
Talking
to
a
myriad
of
people,
but
so
I'll
be
so
look
for
more
postings
under
the
Google
Docs.
A
G
C
The
chief
chief
Schubert
and
a
director
history
had
offered
they
will
meet.
However,
many
times
are
necessary
to
finalize
and
get
a
great
report
of
recommendations.
So
don't
consider
next
week,
the
only
time
and,
if
necessary,
under
committee
structures,
there
can
be
more
meetings
with
personnel
that
directly
are
involved
in
the
issues
at
hand
that
you
are
discussing
so
next
Monday,
it's
not
all
all
be
all
it's
just
one
gets
the
party
started.
That's.
R
Yeah
sorry,
just
one
last
thing:
I
just
requested
in
the
chat,
just
an
administrative
request.
Could
we
have
the
committee
memberships
and,
along
with
the
committee,
leaves
perhaps
listed
in
the
file
by
the
directory
filed
by
the
staff
may
be.
The
direct
contact
list
could
give
you
a
good
file
to
put
place
that
information
hi.