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From YouTube: The Grant Street Experience: David Finer
Description
On this episode of The Grant Street Experience, Grant Ervin and Rebecca Kiernan talk to David Finer from City Channel Pittsburgh.
A
Hello,
everyone
and
welcome
to
the
Grant
Street
experience.
I,
am
your
host
grant
urban
chief
resilience
officer
for
the
city
of
Pittsburgh,
and
this
is
our
experimental
podcast
about
all
of
the
great
and
cool
and
interesting
things
that
are
happening
along
Grant
Street
I'm
here
with
my
co-host
Rebecca
Kiernan,
as
well
as
a
friend
of
the
show
and
production
magician
David
finer
who
is
our
guest
today
on
the
Grant
Street
experience?
David
welcome.
Thank.
A
A
A
We'll
get
you
we'll
get
you
on
the
memo
list
when
we,
when
we
get
back
back
to
work
here,
David.
You
know
a
lot
to
talk
about
in
these
days
and
times
and
I'm
really
interested
to
hear
your
opinion
on
a
bunch
of
stuff.
But
one
of
the
things
that
I
wanted
to
just
start
with
is
the
transition
that
we
have
been
under
during
this
time
of
Kovan
19
and
moving
to
virtual
platforms
and
what
that
means.
A
B
We
are
the
government
access
television
channel,
Comcast,
13,
Verizon
44.
You
can
also
watch
us
on
a
live
stream
through
the
City
Clerk's
office.
We
also
have
a
YouTube
channel,
see
youtube.com
slash
city
channel
pittsburgh
and
for
thirty
seven
and
a
half
years
we
were
television
based
from
1982.
Until
three
or
four
months
ago
we
were
the
channel
where
you
would
tune
in
and
watch
gavel-to-gavel
coverage
of
city
council
meetings,
mayor's
press
conferences,
budget
forums,
informational
programs.
Interview
shows
like
this
and
March
rolled
around,
and
we
suddenly
had
to
completely
change
our
focus.
B
So
our
department
director
gave
me
this
project
figure
it
out
and
I'll
not
only
figure
it
out,
but
there
is
very
little
time
the
city
needs
to
continue
its
business.
So
if
you,
if
you
think
back
to
the
beginning
of
March
I,
know
it's
only
three
months
ago
and
some
people
might
think
that's
a
lifetime
ago,
but
there
was
a
lot
of
confusion.
B
B
So
their
credit
alex
bill
and
joy.
I
used
every
platform,
you
can
think
of
WebEx
FaceTime
Google
duo,
zoom,
Microsoft
teams
and
we
and
they
researched
all
of
these
various
options
so
that
the
City
Council
could
continue
meeting
in
a
very
short
period
of
time.
We
came
up
with
zoom
and
we
have
been
using
it
since
and
it's
been
I'll
be
honest
and
I.
Don't
I,
don't
say
this
lightly,
but
I
didn't
know
anything
about
internet
broadcasting,
three
and
a
half,
so
I
am
NOT.
A
It's
been
an
awesome
transition
and
I
think
that
the
rate
and
speed
that
you
guys
you
know
worked
with
is
definitely
to
be
commendable.
I
mean
what
are
some
of
the
differences.
I
guess
you
know
from
a
production
standpoint
or
just
going
from
that.
You
know
in
time
in
in
place
kind
of
environment
now
to
the
virtual
environment.
A
B
So
we're
we're
doing
a
completely
different
job,
and
not
only
that,
but
as
if
people
have
been
watching
our
channel
for
the
last
three
months,
zoom
is
audio
based.
So
whoever
makes
a
sound
most
recently
that's
who's
going
to
appear
on
camera.
So,
if
I
clear
my
throat,
if,
if
my
dog
barks
behind
me
my
face
pops
up
whether
I
want
it
to
or
not
and
there's
nothing,
the
production
staff
can
do
to
fix
that.
B
So
when
a
cell
phone
vibrates
their
picture
appears
in
a
meeting
and
it's
usually
them
staring
straight
down
completely,
not
paying
attention
to
what's
happening
so
that
so
in
our
in
our
previous
lives,
we
have
four
robotic
cameras
and
council
chambers,
and
whoever
is
talking
we
try
to
cut
between
the
cameras
to
get
to
that
person
as
quickly
as
possible.
So
it's
only
that
person
and
we
stay
on
that
person
until
they're
done
talking.
A
Do
you
have
a
favorite
Rebecca?
Beware,
you
know
the
zoom
platform
or
just
the
digital
meeting
space
I've
been
kind
of
amazed
at
how
how
quickly
it's
been
adopted
and
adapted
to
kind
of
the
work
that
we
see
like
it's.
It's
been
a
rapid
transition.
I
mean
do
you
have
any
thoughts
and
kind
of
things
that
you
see
through
the
meetings
that
you're
on
every
day
or
favorite,
favorite
backgrounds.
C
I
mean
there's
been
some
good
backgrounds.
It's
interesting
to
see
what
people's
houses
look
like
yesterday,
I
forget
whose
house
it
was,
but
they
had
nice
molding
in
the
back.
That
I
was
like
commenting
on
it's
like
you
have
a
better
icebreaker
in
the
beginning,
because
everybody
comments
on
something
weird,
that's
going
on
and
the
other
person's
frame,
but.
D
C
C
B
I
think
what's
gonna
happen.
Also
is
not
just
the
city
of
Pittsburgh,
but
companies
across
the
country
are
going
to
find
out
just
how
much
they
were
spending
and
travel
and
lodging
now,
instead
of
a
flight
across
the
country,
a
three-hour
meeting
in
another
flight
across
the
country.
You
can
just
be
there
for
the
do
this
and
be
in
a
three-hour
meeting.
That's.
B
C
D
A
I
mean
just
from
both
your
takes
me
and
maybe
David
first
I
mean
what
what
do
you
think
this
means
or
what
are
some
of
the
implications,
just
your
gut
reactions
in
terms
of
the
transition
of
the
media,
environment
and
new
digital
tools
like
this,
like
how
is
it
gonna
kind
of
changes,
both
and
maybe
the
near
term
and
in
the
long
term?
Well,.
B
I
think
what
we
may
not
have
seen
it
immediately
ten
years
ago,
ten
and
a
half
years
ago,
but
what
we're
learning
is
that
people
who
have
information
can
share
it
out
to
the
world
without
the
media
without
the
traditional
form
of
newspaper,
television
and
radio
so
10
and
a
half
years
ago,
this
little
tool
came
along
called
Twitter,
and
it's
this
unfiltered
communication
tool,
whether
you're,
someone
famous
or
someone
not
famous,
you
can
share
your
message
and
you
don't
need
the
media.
So
in
that
respect,
what
this
zoom
tool
has
allowed.
B
Is
anyone
really,
if
you
don't
know
how
to
use
your
iPhone
or
your
Android
or
whatever
kind
of
phone
you
have
most
people
at
this
plant
understand
what
zoom
is
and
can
get
on.
Zoom
be
live
on,
YouTube,
be
live
on
Facebook
and
get
out
a
message
with
one
or
a
thousand
people
and
share
it
without
any,
without
having
a
middleman,
the
media
slanting
it
or
presenting
a
biased
view
of
it.
B
B
B
We
we
couldn't
find
a
way
for
the
cup
for
the
public
so
again
think
back
to
three
months
ago,
zoom
exploded.
So
there
was
this
exponential
growth
in
a
very
short
period
of
time,
and
a
lot
of
the
articles
that
were
coming
out
were
saying
things
about
how
June
was
being
hacked.
So
again
we
did
more
research
and
we
found
ways
to
make
sure
our
meetings,
weren't,
hacked
and
you've
done
a
really
good
job
at
none
of
our
meetings.
B
Up
to
this
point
had
been
hacked,
none
of
them
because
we've
been
following
all
of
the
guidelines
to
make
sure
that
doesn't
happen,
but
there
was
still
the
question
of
how
do
we
invite
the
public
in
so
what
we?
What
we
came
up
with
is
not
perfect,
but
it
works.
So
if
somebody
wants
to
give
public
comment
at
a
city
council
meeting,
they
have
to
call
the
City
Clerk's
office
to
sign
up.
They
give
their
name
email
address
and
telephone
number,
and
at
that
point
the
zoom
meeting
credentials
are
given
to
them.
B
We
set
up
a
zoom
waiting
room,
so
it's
not
like
anybody
who
has
the
information
just
can
jump
into
the
meeting
and
do
whatever
they
want.
So
me
and
my
staff
we're
sitting
waiting
for
the
meeting
to
start.
We
have
the
zoom
waiting
room
off
to
the
side
and
we
can
say
to
the
members
of
council:
does
anybody
know
Rebecca
curated
and
somebody
will
say:
oh
yeah
she's
on
Graner
band
staff?
Okay,
perfect,
let's
bring
her
in.
B
Does
anybody
know
the
phone
number
the
other
option
is
people
can
call
in
as
long
as
they
have
the
meeting
ID
and
the
password?
They
pick
up
the
telephone,
they
call
a
phone
number
and
they
can
also
get
into
the
meeting
so
we'll
say:
does
anybody
know
four
one,
two,
five,
five,
five
one,
two
one
two,
nobody
knows
the
number
or
the
name
we
don't
let
them
enjoy
so.
B
Think
it
has
I
think
it's
about
the
same,
but
it
is
definitely
different
because,
whereas
in
the
past
public
comment
was
sometimes
the
same
four
or
five
people
right
at
a
council
meeting
every
council
meeting
now
there's
a
different
crowd
and
it's
a
it's
a
technologically
adept
crowd.
They
are
aware
of
how
technology
is
used.
They
know
how
to
use
it,
whereas
they
may
not
have
been
able
to
come
down,
for
they
may
not
be
able
to
get
on
a
bus
and
take
a
bus
downtown
for
a
1:30
council
meeting.
B
A
B
It's
another
option,
I
think
so
we
we
were
the
first
one.
The
City
channel
was
the
first
one
to
buy
a
zoom
Pro
license
it's
an
annual
cost,
I
I.
Think
in
the
back
of
my
mind,
I
knew
this
was
gonna
be
at
least
the
summer.
So
why
not
instead
of
going
month-to-month
which
by
the
annual
and
then
if
a
tent?
If
all
of
this
stuff
ends
at
least
we
have
an
option,
we
have
another
option
we
can
use.
B
D
A
You
kind
of
touched
on
this
a
little
bit,
but
I
mean
the
issues
of
technological
literacy
are
really
coming
front
in
the
center.
In
the
crisis,
I
mean
what
are
some
of
the
ways
in
which
we
could
help
bridge
those
divides
amongst,
like
you
said,
you
know
the
person
that
might
be
able
to
be
in
their
office
and
access
a
public
comment
versus
those
that
have
typically
done
it
in
person.
What
are
some
ideas,
maybe
in
which
we
can
start
to
share
it
and
bridge
those
divides.
B
I
think
the
first
thing
has
to
do
with
the
concept
of
the
computer.
I
know
it's
hard
to
believe
in
the
year
2020,
but
not
everyone
has
a
personal
computer
mm-hmm,
oh
and
not,
everybody
has
a
smartphone
until
he
passed
away
last
year
my
dad
was
still
toting
around
a
flip
phone
I
mean
he
was
78
years
old
and
he
had
a
flip
phone,
so
he
would
not
have
been
able
to
do
this.
B
B
B
Maybe
in
a
how-to
video
we've
made,
we've
been
making
how-to
guides
PDFs
for
zoom
for
people
in
the
city
who
are
logging
on
for
the
first
time,
but
maybe
a
how-to
video
looking
at
a
computer
looking
at
a
keyboard
how
to
how
to
get
into
a
zoom
meeting.
What
is
this
icon?
Why
does
it
look
like
a
camera?
I
mean
Joe
Joey
on
my
staff.
She
wrote
one
of
the
how-to
guides
and
she
I
wrote
it
for
my
mother.
A
B
A
That's
interesting,
you
know,
maybe
it's
a
little
quick
transition.
I
mean
the
same
thing
with
this
interested
for
your
you're,
a
student
of
the
media,
and
what
are
some
of
the
things
that
that
you're,
seeing
in
the
broader
space
or
different,
you
know
books,
movies,
podcasts,
like
things
that
you're
consuming
right
now
and
this
in
this
period,
both
from
a
entertainment
standpoint,
but
also
from
an
educational
standpoint.
Well,.
B
No
one
knows
what
they're
doing
even
a
multi-billion
dollar
corporation
I'm,
not
going
to
name
names,
but
multibillion-dollar
media
corporations
are
doing
their
multimillion-dollar
productions.
Looking
like
this
I
mean
people
are
I'll.
Give
you
an
example.
So
there's
a
show
on
a
cable
network
that
I
like
watching
and
it's
a
pretty
famous
host
and
as
long
as
I've
watched
the
show
for
many
many
years
the
host
is
wearing
a.
We
call
it
a
lav
mic
or
a
clip-on
mic,
and
it's
not
tucked
under
his
tie.
B
B
Yeah,
it
just
makes
me
laugh
like
it
sounds
awful,
but
I
mean
zoom
doesn't
have
a
great
audio
component
and
most
computers
don't
have
a
great
audio
component.
It
just
it
makes
me
laugh
each
time
what
am
I
saying,
I
think
people
are
realizing.
You
don't
need
a
$50,000
camera
to
get
your
point
across.
You
don't
need
the
most
expensive
thing.
B
B
Said
to
you,
things
are
changing,
we
don't
know
if
we're
gonna
be
shooting
in
the
studio.
Let's,
let's
reassess
in
a
month
and
I,
think
that's
it's
good
can't
we
started
with
three
episodes
and
you
in
gained.
You
started
some
momentum
and
if
we
had
stopped
production
on
your
show
at
that
point
and
picked
it
up
again
in
six
months,
you
may
have
lost
interest.
Rebecca
definitely
would
have
lost
interest.
I
think
it
is.
B
A
D
B
C
Really
don't
understand,
I,
don't
want
I,
don't
watch
TV
that
often
but
I
turned
on
the
news.
The
other
day
cuz,
you
know,
like
things
were
going
down
and
the
weather
report
came
on
and
it
spans
to
somebody
who's
sitting
in
her
house.
You
could
see
the
background
and
then
she's
got
a
TV
with
the
weather
on
it.
Don't
the
weather
people
stand
in
front
of
a
green
screen
anyway,
yeah.
B
B
Turned
on
your
virtual
background
right
now,
your
eyes
would
probably
wash
out
my
shirt
would
definitely
wash
out
yeah.
It's
not
going
to
be
perfect.
The
the
TV
I
know
what
I
don't
know
the
exact
one
you
were
talking
about,
but
I
have
seen
it
or
they
sit
next
to
a
TV,
monitor
they're
doing
the
best
they
can
I
think
they're
just
trying
to
figure
out
a
way
to
delay
to
deliver
the
same
information
but
in
ways
they
never
had
to
think
about
before
how.
A
B
A
C
C
It's
super
interesting,
so
it
follows
the
whole
thing,
but
listen
to
most
of
it,
but
basically
it
starts
at
kind
of
like
the
beginning
of
how
we
all
got
so
bifurcated
and
it
goes
through.
You
know
somebody
who
gets
addicted
to
the
Internet
and
is
watching
it's
on
YouTube
videos
and
then
kind
of
stops
watching
television,
which
seems
to
be
I,
mean
sort
of
unless
you're
watching
cable.
C
But
that
used
to
be
like
a
common
ground
of
information
getting,
and
it
follows
this
person
through
getting
sucked
into
the
internet
and
YouTube
videos
and
then
all
of
a
sudden
they
release
all
these
new
algorithms,
which
then
give
you
more
of
the
same
thing
that
you've
been
watching.
So
it
explains
through
this
lens
of
people
who
are
going
through
going
down
like
the
YouTube
rabbit
hole.
C
How
really
the
algorithms
are
eating
that
bifurcation
and
you're
getting
reinforced
with
what
you
already
think
is
true,
and
you
think
that
the
only
videos
that
are
out
there
are
you
know
whatever
information
from
whatever
side
you
might
be
getting
super
fascinating
and
then
it
starts
to
get
into.
You
know
some
of
the
current
events
of
what's
going
on
right
now.
C
C
But
it
really
sets
up
like
then
you
start
to
understand.
You
know,
what's
going
on
right
now
with
these
protests
and
riots
and
how
everything
is
getting
so
confused
because
you
have
all
these
different
entities
and
all
these
different
groups
that
are
getting
information
from
different
places.
So
they
don't-
and
you
know
they
don't
necessarily
always
cross
pollinate.
So
if
you're
watching
you
know
one
set
of
YouTube
videos,
you
don't
know
what
the
other
person
is
watching
and
in
terms
of
YouTube
videos
and
there's.
You
know
four
different
storylines
that
are
happening
right
now.
D
A
That
is
kind
of
interesting,
though
I
mean
yeah
like
if
you,
the
rabbit-hole,
is
like
an
app
name
right,
because
you
know
the
way
the
content
is
designed.
You
could
just
follow
hockey
fights
you
know
back
to
the
early
days
of
the
NHL
or
a
gel
or
whatever
kind
of
league
that
you're
into
and
you're
stuck
in,
that
rabbit,
hole
and
might
not
know.
What's
going
on
and
another
sports
league
right,
I
love,
what's
happening
out
in
the
world
right
right.
B
A
I
mean
it
it's
kind
of
wild
like
how
the
media
is
shaping
and
I
don't
mean
that
in
just
a
traditional
sense,
but
the
different
you
know
like
you're
saying
anybody
can
be
a
poster
of
content
as
apropos
here,
but
like
that
there
is
so
much
choice
out
there.
What
we're,
not
necessarily
like
you're,
saying
Rebecca
able
to
access
it
yeah.
C
And
there's
no,
how
do
you
know
what
the
universe
of
videos
is
like
there's
no
overall
menu
list
when
you
go
on
to
you,
know
Google
or
YouTube,
or
any
or
Facebook
any
of
it.
So
you
can't
just
try
to
search
what
the
whole
universe
is.
It's
all
being
filtered
to
your
particular
profile
of
what
they
think
that
you've
already
liked
before
and
you're
not
getting
you're,
not
getting
all
sides
of
what's
happening,
you're
getting
what
they
think
you
you're
gonna
want
to
hear
we're.
A
C
B
B
Even
last
summer,
like
the
morning
after
the
all-star
game,
going
oh
another
day
without
baseball
and
now
I
mean
the
baseball
seasons
should
have
started
three
nine
months
ago,
and
it's
it's
it's
for
someone
who
grew
up
watching
sports
staring
at
box
scores
walking
the
Red
Sox,
the
Bruins,
the
Celtics
every
single
day.
This
has
been
tough.
This
has
really
been
tough.
B
B
B
So
it's
not
like
I'm
watching
a
game
every
day,
but
we
got
a
kid.
We
got
to
entertain
him.
We
got
a
dog
that
needs
to
run
around.
We
so
yeah
as
much
as
I'd
like
to
be
watching
sports
might
might
much
like
anything
else
in
life
right
now.
Attention
is
just
shifted
right
to
something
else.
If
I
were
if
there
were
a
Red
Sox
game
on
tonight,
yeah
I'd
probably
sit
in
this
chair
and
turn
on
the
TV
and
watch
the
Red
Sox
game.
B
B
A
B
B
There
is
no
such
thing
as
a
die-hard
Patriots
fan.
When
I
was
a
kid.
The
Patriots
were
terrible
one
in
15
and
14.
They
were
very
rarely
on
TV
because
they
never
sold
out
games
at
home.
Wow
I
got
more
Jets
and
Giants
games
as
a
kid
than
Patriots
I
dated
a
girl
a
long
time
ago.
Her
dad
was
a
an
original
1960
Boston
Patriots
season
ticket
holder.
B
That
guy
was
a
die-hard
fan
so
when,
when
Brady
came
even
when
they
went
to
the
Super
Bowl
and
got
killed
by
the
Bears,
even
when
they
went
to
the
Super
Bowl
and
got
people
on
the
Packers,
those
were
one
in
Dunn
years.
People
didn't
care
about
them
the
year
after
and
so
when
Brady
came
around
and
they
won
the
championship.
I
jumped
on
the
bandwagon.
I
did
the
family
that-
and
this
is
gonna
anchor
a
lot
of
people
that
I
grew
up
with
and
I'm
totally
okay
with
it.
B
But
the
Kraft
family
made
a
lot
of
personnel
decisions,
signing
players
that
I
just
didn't
think
needed
to
be
on
the
team.
They
had
checkered
backgrounds
and
they
they
just
made
a
lot
of
decisions
that
I
didn't
feel
like.
As
a
father,
I
could
tell
my
son
yeah
I
cheer
for
this
team,
and
this
is
the
jerk
that's
playing
for
them.
They,
the
Patriots,
were
more
I,
don't
know
the
word,
but
they
were
more.
It's
almost
like
they
were
just
daring
people
not
to
cheer
for
them.
B
C
B
But
I
think
that,
as
a
sports
fan,
we
vary
the
the
athletes
that
play
for
the
teams
we
cheer,
for
they
have
no
connection
to
these
towns.
They
are
going
to
their
job.
Just
like
we
go
to
our
jobs
right
and
we
get
angry.
We
burn
jerseys
when
our
favorite
players,
another
team.
That
makes
no
sense
to
me
like
if,
if
our
competitor
does
the
government's
have
competitors,
but
if
our.
A
C
Sleepin
he's
15,
so
he's
pretty
happy,
I'm
home
I'm
concerned
that,
if
I
leave,
though
he's
gonna
tear
the
house
up
but
I,
what
did
it?
I
saw
something
recently
where
they
were
talking
about
mediation
or
stress
relief
for
pets,
for
when
people
go
back
to
work,
apparently
that
serious
issue-
and
it
was
some
kind
of
advertisement
for
I-
don't
know-
maybe
you
could
put
them
on
a
webinar
or
something.
C
A
Know,
there's
actually
one
of
the
things
we
got
a
dog
back
in
January
and
one
of
the
things
that
my
daughter
found
was
there's
a
this
is
all
integrated.
Our
conversation
there's
a
YouTube
channel
for
dogs,
and
it's
like
like
what
you're
saying
it's
calming
music.
You
know
it's.
It's
peaceful
sounds
like
birds,
chirping,
and
things
like
that.
That
apparently
makes
makes
doggies
feel
good.
I
thought
how
about
you
with
with
it's
Potter?
Is
that
right?
We.
B
Have
a
year
and
a
half
old,
Golden
Retriever
named
Potter,
he
is
90
pounds
of
drool,
but
he
is
the
happiest.
Being
I
have
ever
been
near
ready
to
play
ready
to
jump
around.
He
has
no
idea
how
big
or
how
strong
he
is.
So
he
has
knocked
me
over
a
couple
of
times.
You
can
follow
Potter
on
the
Twitter
machine
P
at
PGH
Potter.
There.
B
B
B
A
Awesome
well,
it
looks
like
we're
up
against
time
here.
David
I
want
to
thank
you
Rebecca.
Thank
you
too.
We
appreciate
you
know
the
work
that
the
cable
team
does
not
just
in
producing
kind
of
the
Grant
Street
experience,
but
just
the
heroic
work
that
you
guys
have
done
and
creating
access
for
people
and
and
the
connection
to
their
local
government
is
an
important
part
of
our
democracy,
and
thank
you
for
the
work
that
you
guys
do
well.
B
A
We
couldn't
do
it
without
you
guys,
the
team.
We
appreciate
that
and
we'll
have
some
next.
Our
next
guests
are
gonna,
be
just
as
exciting,
so
stick
with
us
on
the
Grant
Street
experience.
Thank
you.
David
finer
Rebecca
Kiernan,
thanks
to
you
guys
for
being
with
us
today,
I'm
Grant
urban
I'm,
your
home
here
on
the
grand
Street
Experience.
Thank
you
so
much
for
listening
in
and
we'll
check
you
out
soon
have
a
great
day.