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From YouTube: City Council Work Session October 12, 2020
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City Council Work Session
October 12, 2020
A
A
Number
one
we
have
discussion
of
suburban
fire
fees
and,
let
me
just
say
we
asked
for
this
as
soon
as
we
saw
the
first
number
that
went
out,
because
I
realized
people
got
bills
that
were
400
times
and
we've
been
speaking
with
one
resident
who
had
sent
some
really
good
information.
Also
on
that
as
they
went
out,
I
don't
think
it's
the
intention
of
this
council
to
charge
anybody
300
400
increase
on
their
fire
fees.
A
We
want
to
do
something
equitable,
so
we're
asking
staff
to
put
this
on
this
work
session
so
that
we
can
talk.
We
can
get
information
to
give
them
to
give
them
a
guideline
to
come
back
to
us
to
change
those.
It's
going
to
take
two
readings,
there'll
be
an
amendment
to
our
budget.
So
at
that
time,
when
they
do
it
we'll
have
two
readings.
It
will
be
two
public
inputs
and
two
public
hearings
on
that
as
well.
A
Today
we
just
really
wanted
to
make
the
statement
first
of
all
and
we're
going
to
talk
to
staff
that
the
bills
that
went
out
we'd
like
to
see
first
of
all,
there'd
be
no
penalty
for
a
late
late
fee
on
it,
and
if
someone
has
paid
it
already
that
we're
we're
asking
that
that
would
just
be
credited
to
to
whatever
we
come
up
with.
But
it's
not
our
intention
to
to
build
that
it.
It
was
just
an
over
I'm,
not
gonna,
say
oversight.
I
think
staff
actually
talked
about
it.
A
I
just
maybe
didn't
realize
that
I
didn't.
I
can't
speak
for
anyone
else,
but
I
certainly
take
responsibility
for
not
asking
the
right
questions
and
finding
out
exactly
what
that
increase
would
would
look
like.
So
the
only
thing
I
know
is
to
go
back
and
say:
let's,
let's
get
it
right
so
with
that
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
for
discussion
from
staff,
our
city
manager,
mr
biedenbach.
Thank
you.
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B
C
B
The
new
rate,
which
went
into
effect
july
1st,
a
lot
of
them
didn't
go
out
in
bills
until
october,
increased
that
quarterly
figure
to
135,
which
is
an
annual
amount
of
540
540
for
the
service
we
based
on.
I
think
the
comments
from
council
as
well
as
conversations
both
email
and
telephone
with
with
the
property
owners.
I
think,
if
council
that's
what
council
kind
of
wishes,
we
can
go
back
and
look
to
make
some
modifications
downward
to
the
rates.
B
I
guess
from
a
timing
standpoint
we
would
be
looking
at.
I
think
we
can
have
this
resolved
next
month,
meaning
it
would
give
staff
time
to
look
at
some
options
for
council
and
for
public
input
and,
as
you
said,
it
would
require
an
ordinance
because
this
was
passed
as
an
ordinance
first
reading.
In
may
second
reading
in
june
and
that's
sort
of
the
how
the
process
would
work.
B
A
I'll
start
and
thank
you
for
staff
for
as
we've
sent
questions
over
this
last
week
as
these
have
gone
out,
I
want
to
talk
about.
I
know
there
are
homes
that
are
on
city
water,
that
get
billed
monthly
and
what
what
rate
are
they
currently
paying
sure
it's
a
higher
and,
and
so
what
I?
What
I
would
hope
we
can
accomplish
out
of
this
is
get
it
equitable
for
everyone.
A
So,
if
you're
outside
of
the
incorporated
area,
but
still
in
the
fire
district
that
that
everyone
is
paying
the
it
would
average
out
to
be
obviously
a
lower
lower
rate.
But
I
don't.
I
don't
know
that
it's
fair
to
charge
folks
who,
just
because
they're
paying
monthly,
we
have
the
the
ability
to
do
that.
I
mean
right
now.
What
are
they
getting
charged?
Sure.
B
This
currently
they
are
the
average
residential
owner
that
you're
speaking
of
that's
and
and
that
those
are
folks
that
are
on
city
water,
but
not
in
the
city
pay
45
a
month
maximum
but
correct.
It
is
based
on
the
value,
but
that's
kind
of
the
the
max.
That
is
the
maximum
amount.
And
again
this
billing
structure
has
been
in
effect
since
about
1994.
B
A
B
E
Mr
beatenbeau,
when
we
talked
about
this-
and
I
echo
what
the
mayor
has
said-
we
certainly
for
the
citizens
we
apologize,
because
this
was
not
our
intent
at
all.
We
were
looking
at,
as
you
said,
41
dollars
a
month
and
that
was
going
to
go
to
45
a
month
for
those
people
receiving
that.
So
that
was
not
a
huge
jump,
so
I
guess
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
how
we
got
to
this
place
of
these
300
400
percent
increases.
B
B
B
B
H
H
H
B
A
B
A
I
know
I
know
you're
still
and
staff
is
still
trying
to
to
come
up
with
with
the
number,
but
if
you
take
into
that,
there's
a
thousand
properties,
but
473
of
them
have
have
structures
built
on
it,
and
I
I
realize,
there's
a
16
collection,
but
I
think
those
with
structures
usually
are
probably
a
little
higher
than
that.
I
think
I
think
a
lot
of
the
ones
without
structures
are
the
ones
who
aren't
fan.
D
A
A
But
what
percentage
are
we
trying
to
capture
from
from
the
suburban
area
and
maybe
back
into
it
that
way,
because
I
I
think
we
could
get
there
without
without
it
being
such
a
such
a
gross
jump
and
again
I
I'm
not
putting
fault
on
on
staff.
You
presented
this
to
us
and
we
just
didn't
ask
the
right
questions,
but
when
we
saw
it
clearly
it
was
it's
an
issue
and
we
want
to
do
it
and
and
I'll
say.
A
The
right
thing
and
the
city
wants
to
do
business
the
right
way
and
that's.
I
appreciate
people
giving
us
the
opportunity
to
when
you
make
a
mistake,
you
own
it
and
you
fix
it.
So
I
do
appreciate
that
too
from
our
fire
customers,
but
I
think
the
way
I
would
suggest
is:
let's:
let's
look
at
the
number
that
we
feel
we
need.
A
I
mean
it
needs
to
be
an
equitable
number
but
yeah
it.
I
I'll
just
say.
I
think
I
think
we
all
realize
that
that's
that's
the
number.
That's
not
acceptable,
it's
not
the
way
the
city's
going
to
do
business
and
we
appreciate
the
opportunity
that
and
we're
giving
staff
this
opportunity
too,
because
this
is
our
first
conversation
in
public.
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C
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A
H
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J
J
J
J
J
A
A
C
J
C
J
So
many
discrepancies
in
this
that
it
is
disgusting.
It
is
plainly
disgusting
people,
don't
my
social
security
check.
I
haven't
worked
since
november
of
1982..
My
social
security
check
is
just
a
little
over
a
thousand
dollars
a
month.
I've
heard
of
other
people
in
this
room
say
the
same
thing.
Yes,.
A
J
Is
this
did
just
didn't?
Go
up
some?
This
went
up.
This
went
up
on
my
house.
This
went
up
to
540
dollars
a
year.
This
is
a
425
dollar
rate
increase
at
one
clip,
but
let
me
back
up
and
state
something
I
have
been
talked
to
my
insurance
company,
so
go
ahead.
Turn
me
in
I
talked
to
them
years
ago,
when
somebody
else
was
running
this
and
I
went
to
my
insurance
company.
I've
been
back
to
my
insurance
company
and
by
law.
You
cannot
make
us
pay
this.
J
A
I
paid
it
on.
Can
I
ask
you
a
question
and
on
my
side
I
ask
you
a
question
when
we
started
this
didn't
we
say
we
agreed
with
that
and
just
stated
I
mean
we
agree.
What
you're
saying
is
right,
so
I
I'm
not
trying
to
force
you
to
pay
that
I'm
telling
you
that
don't
pay
it
until
you
get
something
that
is
more
in
line
with
what
you
were
paying.
A
D
J
C
E
K
K
On
sparkleberry
lane
outside
the
limits
I
don't
get
city,
water
or
anything,
but
for
years
I
didn't
pay
anything
to
the
fire
district,
never
even
thought
about
it
and
then
all
of
a
sudden
I
started
getting
the
28.75
every
quarter.
I
thought!
Well,
that's
reasonable!
No
problem!
So
I'm
like
everybody
else,
that's
400
percent
jump.
A
K
A
I
D
I
just
want
to
be
clear
on
this,
so
thank
you
for
realizing
that
there's
a
problem.
You
know
I
am
newly
retired,
I
just
retired
from
doing
my
job
for
26
years,
I'm
a
retired
engineer,
and
so
of
course,
I'm
on
the
budget
every
month.
So
I
just
want
to
be
clear
on
this,
so
I
know
you
guys
are
going
to
make
a
decision
on
loan
it.
When
do
you
think
all
this
is
going
to
be
resolved?
I
know
you
guys
said
that
something
about
next
month.
He
did.
A
B
D
D
A
F
F
F
A
O
Got
us
here
so
thank
you.
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
guys
for
coming
to
the
table
and
asking
people
to
speak.
It's
kind
of
strange
that
I
have
to
come
to
the
city
because
you
know
y'all,
we
don't
vote
for
you
guys
or
anything
like
that,
but
just
to
kind
of
clarify
her
question
any
home
over
a
hundred
and
thirty
thousand
dollars
is
getting
hit
with
that
540.
K
O
So
it's
it's
a
it's
a
large
sum
of
money
for
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
residents.
You
know
my
situation
is,
I
got
hit
with
this
two
months
ago,
three
months
ago
in
july,
and
so
I
have
some
various
concerns
as
well
as
far
as
who
is
doing
the
billing
and
that
the
nature
of
that
and
also
the
excessive
cost.
So
those
are
my
concerns,
but
I've
been
in
touch
with
all
y'all,
so
y'all
are
well
aware,
though,.
G
G
A
I
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A
A
I
wouldn't
be
much
of
a
mayor
if
I
didn't
offer
that
to
you,
mr
collins,
thank
you
for
being
here
today.
I'm
sorry,
you
had
to
take
time
of
your
afternoon
to
be
here
and
all
this
to
those
of
you
here
for
it
I
get
it,
but
I
think
you
have
a
council
and
a
staff.
That's
going
to
make
it
right
so
and
we'll
have
again
we'll
have
public
meetings
when
we
make
the
change
the
ordinance
and
we
come
forward
with
that.
A
We'll
certainly
be
very
public
with
that,
so
that
it's
no
surprise
and
you'll
know
when
it's
going
to
be
so.
Thank
you
for
being
here
with
us
and
and
as
it
became
very
clear
with
this,
my
number's,
pretty
my
cell
number
is
pretty
easy
to
access
up
from
the
from
the
webpage,
so
feel
free
to
call
me
if
you
have
any
questions,
if
I
can
help
so.
D
A
A
B
A
A
A
A
G
E
B
D
B
We,
since
we
were
meeting
online
virtually
for
several
months,
we
were
ready
to
go,
but
we
we
felt
like
this
is
an
issue
of
public
interest,
so
we
delayed
having
the
the
presentation
until
after
the
after
we
started
begin
meeting
again
and
move
through
some
other
unrelated
issues
we
are
ready
to.
I
guess
have
that
discussion.
B
B
We
would
bring
an
ordinance
where
appropriate
if
we
want
to
go
in
that
direction,
but
I
know
one
of
the
things
that
have
been
that
has
been
talked
about
before
is
increasing
the
cost,
but
again
the
there
is.
I
don't
believe
a
recommendation
to
do
that,
because
we
there
are
certain
properties
where
demolition
is
the
best
option
by
far,
and
we
want
the
property
owners
to
we
we
want
to
we,
we
don't
want
to
price
them
out
to
where
the
property
owners
are
disincentivized
by
cost
to
address
it.
B
P
It
allows
the
city
to
help
them
to
clean
up
the
neighborhood
and
put
a
green
space
back
there,
and
in
the
time
that
we
haven't
me
haven't
been
meeting.
Staff
did
go
back
to
about
12
year,
12
years
worth
of
history
and
did
not
find
that
there
had
been
any
cases
of
what
people
get
perceived
as
abuse
or
people,
taking
advantage
of
the
residential
demo
200
program.
L
L
L
That
may
be
an
issue
that
would
conflict
with
our
property
maintenance
standards
as
well
and
maybe
bring
about
some
other
form
of
remedy.
You
know
before
that
two
years
is
up,
so
you
kind
of
have
to
keep
that
in
mind.
There
was
some
thought
about
the
back
end
like
if
I
use
it
to
demolish
the
property
and
then
try
to
sell
that
property.
L
Often
it's
it
would
be
rarely
the
case
where
the
it's
this
at
least
looking
at
assessors
records
of
residential
properties,
that
a
property
would
escalate
in
value
significantly
by
tearing
down
a
structure
on
site.
Now,
it's
possible,
but
it's
probably
at
that
case
you're
looking
at
the
value
of
the
land,
is
going
to
be
the
value
of
the
land.
L
Whether
it's
you
know
like
like
a
loan,
that's
forgiven
at
twenty
percent
a
year
like
you
have
to
hang
on
to
it
for
five
years,
but
twenty
percent
goes
away
or
whether
it's
two
years
and
fifty
percent
goes
away.
You
know,
but
it's
got
a
higher
administrative
cost.
It's
got
a
higher,
but
I
mean,
if
that's
a
real
concern,
that's
that's
something
that
you
can
put
in
there.
L
There
were
some
concerns.
It
was
mentioned
looking
at
the
potential
of
a
committee
to
kind
of
oversee
this,
but
the
way
it
is
written
in
the
ordinance.
Currently,
it's
a
technical
assessment
by
the
building
official
and
appealing
to
a
committee
kind
of
opens
up.
I
guess
maybe
a
little
bit
of
uncertainty
in
that
process
and
in
the
potential
for
inconsistency
so,
above
and
beyond.
We
want
to
treat
everybody
fairly
and
equitably
under
the
program.
L
So
while
that
is
a
possibility,
it's
something
that
that
probably
opens
up
a
little
bit
of
scrutiny,
maybe
legally
about
treating
everybody
in
the
same
situation.
The
same
way,
the
same
goes
about
whether
the
property
is
say,
potentially
historic,
or,
I
guess
maybe
pseudo-historic,
which
isn't
which
isn't
a
category.
I
guess
so
it's
either
we
need
to.
If
we
are
concerned
about
that,
we
need
to
think
about
protecting
those
properties,
putting
them
on
the
local
register
or,
for
instance,
so
in
our
historic
district.
L
The
design
review
board
does
oversee
and
has
to
issue
a
certificate
on
demolition
same
way,
if
it's
in
our
our
downtown
business,
our
old
aiken
overlay,
those
already
have
some
oversight
to
them
so
to
treat
something
I
guess
similarly,
but
are
outside
of
that
also
kind
of
opens
up
the
possibility
of
not
necessarily
treating
equal
properties
and
equal
property
owners
consistently
and
fairly,
but
those
do
have
if
those
are
concerns.
Those
do
have
avenues
like
expanding
the
old
ache
and
overlay
district,
or
things
like
that.
So
something
to
keep
in
mind.
L
We
have
had
questions
about
commercial
properties
pop
up
now.
Okay,
the
demo
200
too
interesting
currently
is
residential
yeah,
specifically,
it's
residential,
non-profit,
owned
properties
are
kind
of
a
big
question.
Mark
commercial
properties.
It
definitely
doesn't
mention
commercial
properties.
So
that's
something
that
could
be
addressed.
It
would
be
likely
a
higher
cost.
You'd
want
to
put
some
caps
on
it,
for
instance,
so
that
and
you'd
probably
also
want
to
assess
a
higher
contribution
for
doing
so.
L
The
I
guess
the
last
thing
is
is
there
was
a
discussion
of
a
means
test
about
looking
at
the
actual
owner
and
whether
they
have
income
or
of
worth
that
it
that
you
make
the
assessment
based
on.
I
guess
the
person
rather
than
the
property
and
again
that
starts
to
raise
some
legal
concerns
when
you
start
looking
at
the
person
rather
than
the
property.
Also,
I
will
say
a
lot
of
these
are
hud
assisted
funds,
the
cbg
funds
they
have
to
meet
a
national
objective.
L
I
think
that
covers
that
I
was.
I
was
kind
of
more
the
scribe
and
the
person
used
to
taking
notes
and
writing
memos.
I
think,
in
this
case
to
be
able
to
kind
of
mike
jordan
and
his
crew
do
the
heavy
lifting
on
this.
Obviously,
lee
stags
worked
with
us
throughout
this
process
again
to
try
to
make
sure
we
kind
of
knew
the
the
concerns
legally
in
and
out
of
each
of
these
individual
decisions
as
it
applies
to
the
program.
So
it's
ultimately
kind
of
what
you
want
your
program
to
be.
L
Is
it
still
a
program
where
you
know
you
might
be
able
to
get
rid
of
that
remedy,
remediate
that
issue
of
of
a
slum
or
blight
to
a
neighborhood
and
allow
the
property
owners,
maybe
heirs
a
lot
of
case
a
lot
of
times.
It's
heirs
sometime,
buy
them
some
time
to
still
figure
out
what
they
want
to
do
with
that
property.
L
That's
kind
of
been
the
virtue
of
the
of
this
program
throughout
the
years
that
doesn't
always
have
to
be
the
purpose
of
it.
So
just
I
guess
a
few
things
that
we
discussed
and
and
tried
to
enumerate
for
you.
I
know
it's
not
all-inclusive,
but
and
yeah
and
mr
councilman
jarrod
may
have
some
additional
thoughts
that
I'm
skipping
over.
H
You
know.
So
it's
just
not
hey.
I
want
to
tear
my
house
down
okay
and
they
tear
down
a
really
nice
house.
That's
that's
not
gonna
happen.
They
have
a
pretty
stringent
test
that
they
go
through
and
they've
turned
people
down,
because
the
house
really
wasn't
to
a
point
where
it
needed
to
be
torn
down,
and
so
from
that
perspective
and
we
were
concerned
that
maybe
somebody
was
taking
advantage
of
the
situation.
H
I
I
don't
see
that
as
being
the
case,
the
commercial
properties
are
a
little
bit
different.
There's
some
commercial
properties
that
maybe
the
people
do
need
some
help
and
tearing
them
down,
but
the
land
value
is
going
to
be
worth
a
whole
lot
more
than
what
the
land
value
of
some
of
these
houses
and
the
county
doesn't
help
the
people
with
the
houses,
because
the
county's
got
every
house
over
here
on
the
northeast
side,
the
lots
assessed
for
twenty
five
thousand
dollars
and
the
vacant
lottery
worth
twenty
five
thousand
dollars.
H
H
Those
some
of
these
properties
do
need
to
be
torn
down,
but
the
value
of
the
lot
will
be
worth
a
lot
more,
so
we
even
bounced
around
ideas
of
instead
of
demo
200,
making
it
demo
2000
or
something
like
that
where
they've
got
to
pay
that
much
into
it
to
get
them
torn
down.
So
I
thought
it
was
great
discussion
amongst
all
of
us.
In
terms
of
going
from
there.
H
B
E
C
E
E
To
me,
these
two
things,
which
I
think
would
be
very
beneficial
as
handling
that
to
have
the
program
expense
limit
the
minimum
ownership
period
requirements.
That
would
give
you
some
protection
for
those
commercial
or
non-residential
properties
and
still
be
able
to
help
them
because,
like
gail
says
those
are,
the
residential
is
a
different
whole
different
game
and
it's
doing
pretty
well
and
we
don't
want
to
jump
in
there
and
do
too
much
it's
going
to
change
that
since
you've
all
seen
that
there's
not
really
been
any
issues
with
the
you
know,
abuses
of
it.
L
L
I
think
at
that
level
may
be
at
least
worth
or,
like
you
said,
the
cooling
off
period
after
purchasing
a
property
given
give
somebody
opportunity
at
least
try
to
do
something
with
what's
there
first
before
coming
and
saying
hey
city,
can
you
help
me
tear
this
down?
It
kind
of
it
kind
of
depends
on
how
you
want
to
view
the
way
that
program,
what
its
intent.
M
L
H
And
one
of
the
things-
and
this
has
brought
my
attention
today
now
that
we've
zoned
all
of
this
area
here
to
the
east
and
the
db,
just
because
it's
zone
db
doesn't
mean
it's
commercial
right,
and
we
need
to
recognize
that
too,
that
you
have
the
if
it's
an
old
residence
and
it
needs
to
go
down,
it
needs
to
go
down
and
that's
that's
a
whole
nother
ball
game.
Then
some
of
the
commercial
buildings,
so
we're
trying
to
distinguish
between
all
of
that
in
terms
of
going
forward.
H
H
They
buy
properties
that
are
sold
on
the
courthouse
steps
for
taxes
and
they
bought
these
things
sight
unseen
and
did
not
know
what
they
were
getting,
and
I
was
horrified
when
I
saw
it,
but
I
sold
one
of
them
this
week
with
the
house
all
intact.
So
I
I
thought
that
was
pretty
good.
Now
we
cleaned
it
up
and
it
looked
a
lot
better
and
now
I've
got
a
second
one
to
test
that
over
here,
that'll
be
interesting
to
see.
M
L
G
I
A
A
C
A
M
A
G
L
It's
it's
the
it's,
the
building
codes
division,
so
it's
primarily
teddy
umstead
and
carl
odenthal
at
this
point,
but
mike
as
well,
he
wears
a
lot
of
hats
for
his
department.
So
it's
a
you
know:
it's
not
a
big
department,
but
those
are,
I
think,
so
it's
for
some
period
of
time.
It's
kind
of
consistently
been
the
same
folks,
but
I
think
I
think
that
list
is
kind
of
monitored
by
anybody
in
the
building
inspections,
division
that
goes
out
in
the
field
on
a
daily
basis.
G
G
M
M
And
then
that
I
want
to
follow
up
with
so
are
there
two
groups?
You
know,
I
guess
people
that
have
completely
abandoned
the
property
and
you
can't
find
them.
They
there's
no
contact
whatever
and
people
that
maybe
have
abandoned
the
property,
but
they're
still
communication
and
contact.
Maybe
they
just
can't
afford
to
do
anything
with
that
property.
Are
those
two
separate.
L
Yeah
there's
some
there's
some
folks
that
yeah
maybe
heirs
they
can't
get
organized
amongst
themselves
or
don't
have
the
means
to
do
something
with
it
and
then
the
other
folks
that
are
just
absentee,
maybe
purchase
a
property
at
a
tax
sale
or
something
and
have
not
done
anything
with
it
and
have
kind
of
just.
You
know
the
financials
don't
work.
It
was
a
gamble
on
their
part
and
they're
somewhere
in
florida
or
virginia,
and
everybody.
L
C
L
G
G
G
There
are
too
many
of
these
properties
that
are
so
close
to
our
downtown
area
that
we
need
to
be
concerned
about,
and
I'm
just
not.
I
just
don't
want
to
say
just
downtown.
It's
just
the
abandoned
property
period
that
we
need
to
focus
on,
and
we
may
have
to
create
a
program
where
we
go
after
grants
to
help
those
families,
especially
those
seniors
who've,
been
left
with
property.
G
Don't
know
how
they're
going
to
maintain
it
and
they're
living
in
those
structures
too,
but
some
of
them
are
not
it's
next
door
to
them
that
they've
been
left
properly
either
you
have
a
demolish.
You
have
the
open
land
there
or
whatever,
and
the
dim
200
comes
into
play
there.
But
if
you've
got
someone
that
is
devaluing
other
properties-
and
I
we
hear
those
comments
all
the
time
my
neighbor
across
the
street
won't
cut
their
grass.
H
And
you're
you're
absolutely
right
what
you're
saying
about
the
house
sitting
there,
and
this
is
a
waze
of
a
means
to
an
end,
try
to
get
this
ball
going
and
there
ought
to
be
some
other
ways
of
looking
at
it,
because
I'm
going
to
tell
you
the
potential
for
development
for
having
this
vibrant
downtown
is
right
here
in
y'all's
district
and
if
we
can
get
some
of
these
houses
that
are
blighted
exactly
that
are
doing
exactly
what
you're
saying
if
we
can
get
them
out
of
the
way
people
are
going
to
come.
Yeah.
H
It
will
happen,
I
mean-
and
I
see
it
in
in
my
day-to-day
of
working
through
this
there's
some
people
interested
in
houses
that
you'd
think
they
wouldn't
be
interested,
but
now
they
are
and
bill.
Mcgee
has
a
lot
to
do
with
that.
Bill's
done
a
great
job
and
I
really
have
enjoyed
getting
to
know
bill
and
talk
to
him
about
some
of
this
stuff
in
his
house
that
he
moved
down
there.
I
forgot.
H
B
We
would
bring
to
councils
and
or
it
sounds
like
councils
intrigued-
are
giving
us
some
approval
to
bring
an
ordinance
for
consideration
for
commercial
and
non-profit
property
and
an
ordinance
to
make
some
slight
amendments
to
the
existing
demo
200
program,
and
we
would
bring
that
to
you
if
not
the
next
meeting,
the
one
november
9th
within
two
meetings
from
now.
Does
that
have
to
go
through
planning
or
no?
It
would
not
have
to
go
through
planning.
B
M
B
A
N
N
I
look
at
all
the
historic
districts
that
are
under
design
review
board
that
seem
to
be
thriving
but
are,
and
you
know
I
always
wonder
how
northside
didn't
get
included
in
that,
because
it's
historic,
it's
part
of
the
story
of
aiken
very
much,
so
I
think
it's
kind
of
been
lost,
but
of
rebranding
north
side.
It
has
amazing
potential.
N
I
I've
traveled
with
graduate
school
many
places,
arts
and
crafts
movement
communities
what
what
it
meant,
what
does
entail.
They
are
thriving
because
they
they
they
draw
upon
their
history
and
then
they
use
it.
I'm
right
now,
working
with
framata
and
we're
right
now.
You
know
we
talk
about
the
experience
economy
and
how
there's
two
parts
of
that
there's
the
brand
story
and
which
is
this
moral
narrative
of
of
of
whatever
the
product
is
in
this
case.
N
I'm
looking
at
all
the
north
side
and
then
also
the
that
one-of-a-kind
experience
that
you
can't
get
anywhere
else
and
that's
where
you
know
with
historic
preservation
comes
in
or
or
that
bring
to
light
the
history
of
those
unique
buildings
that
you
can't
get
anywhere
else.
I
I
it's
just
something
that
to
work
on.
You
know,
as
far
as
giving
a
new
brand
to
northside
and
having
maybe
that
go
hand
in
hand
with
the
demo
500,
but
right
now,
it's
the
north
side
has
this
this
bad
brand
and
it
just
and
for
mata.
N
There's,
there's
some
negative
connotations
that
too,
but
we're
trying
to
look
at
rebranding
it
in
the
way.
What
kind
of
it
meant
what
it
was
its
purpose
and
to
do
that
with
with
the
north
side
brand,
I
think
it's
got
a
fantastic
story,
a
unique
one-of-a-kind
story
that,
if
it
was,
you
know,
I
don't
know
where
it
got
lost,
how
it
got
lost
when
all
the
other
stories
got
said.
Why
isn't
our
story
being
told,
and
also
this
also
inclusive
movement
in
in
historic
preservation?
N
That's
huge
right
now
and
you
know
I
feel
like.
Sometimes
we
just
look
in
our
own
inner
circle
of
aiken,
but
if
you
look
at
what's
going
on,
you
know
historically
on
a
national
level,
we
are,
we
have
a
lot
of
potential,
but
just
something
that
I'm
not
against,
but
just
something
a
different
approach
to
bring
up
the
area.
N
G
G
G
So
we
should
have
something
in
the
budget.
Have
a
review
committee.
I
don't
know
how
we
structure
it.
The
demolition
team
can
do
that,
but
we
can
change
things.
It
doesn't
take
a
lot
of
money,
but
it
does
take
resources
to
help
to
make
some
changes
and
to
make
the
approved
to
improve
the
appearance
and
make
these
areas
safer
to
live.
E
Could
that
be
tied
in
with
what,
unless
he's
saying,
with
the
community
development
brock
grants?
I
know
that
they
I
mean
it's
sort
of
the
same
kind
of
thing
like
you
said:
people
want
their
house
to
be
better,
they
just
don't
have
the
means
or
the
money
to
do
it,
and
then
I
think
your
idea
is
wonderful
to
have
a
story
or
rebranding
not
just
say
the
north
side
use
some
of
the
that
history
that
we
know
was
there.
N
J
N
G
A
And
I
think
I
think,
there's
probably
a
lot
of
interest
for
a
task
force
to
take
on
maybe
a
rebranding,
and
I
think
we've
actually
had
some
companies
that
have
done
some
marking
for
us
that
have
a
great
place
to
start.
I
remember
when
randy
wilson
was
here
with
his
company.
He
talked
a
lot
about
those
same
measures,
so
I've
written
your
name
down
as
person
number
one
on
that
task
force.
I
hope.
M
May
be
honored
to
do
something
like
that.
I
am.
First
of
all,
I
want
to
thank
you
for
coming
and
I
can't
move
on
without
mentioning
how
I
personally
appreciate
your
passion
in
the
whole
restoring
keeping
the
history
the
buildings.
We
need
people
like
you
in
this
city.
I've
had
this
conversation
with
you
now
do.
I
believe
every
building
falls
under
that
realm.
M
No,
but
I
love
that
you
feel
that
way
and-
and
I
could
not
agree
with
you
more
in
what
you're
saying
about
the
the
sentiment
of
the
north
side
and
its
history
and
what
it
used
to
be
and
and
and
the
rebranding
approach,
and
we
have
spoken
as
mayor
just
mentioned,
with
marketing
firms.
What's
what's
that
marketing
from
we
hired
bannon.
N
M
M
H
C
H
N
N
N
N
H
N
H
I
don't
think
merrill
you
know,
meryl
come
on
that
spoke
to
us
before
he's
who
I'm
working
with
on
the
other
house.
He
he
restored
the
house
next
door
down
on
park,
avenue
southeast
down
on
the
railroad
track,
and
he
he
bought
that
house
for
five
thousand
dollars
and
is
it's
nice
I
went
in
and
looked
at.
It
was
just
sort
of
amazed
at
where
it
is
now
compared.
No,
this
is
a
one
story.
H
E
B
Is
correct,
we'll
have
that
to
counsel
in
the
next
meeting
or
two
sure,
and
it
will
be
a
two
reading
ordinance.
I
also
want
to
acknowledge
the
work
of
our
staff
attorney
lee
staggs,
who
helped-
and
I
see
she's
here
too
ms
status
good
afternoon-
all
right.
That's
all
we
have
for
work
session
topics
at
this
time
very.