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Athens City Council - April 12, 2021
A
B
Smedley
great,
thank
you.
Well.
Our
first
agenda
item
tonight
is
brought
by
council
members
medley,
so
I'd
like
for
her
to
take
it.
Thank
you.
C
Thank
you,
member
phone.
Thank
you
president
nicely
so
yeah
tonight
we
are
going
to
be
talking
about
an
opportunity
to
amend
one
of
our
current
ordinances
I'll
just
back
up
a
minute.
C
Just
tell
you
a
little
story
of
how
we
got
here
so
a
resident
on
the
west
side
reached
out
to
me
asking
if
the
city
of
athens
would
be
in
position
to
adopt
a
an
ordinance
that
would
discriminate,
or
that
would
ban
discrimination
on
source
of
income
and
included
in
the
in
the
communication,
was
a
link
to
a
news
article
about
how
bexley
had
done
this.
C
Especially,
ohio
had
done
this
similar
change
about
a
year
ago,
and
so
I
reached
out
to
law
director
lisa
liason
for
her
to
take
a
look-
and
my
ask
was
this:
it
was
simply
is
this
something
we
can
look
at
or
tarly's
talk
about,
and
after
some
communications
she
discovered
and
recommended
that
if
this
was
something
of
interest
for
for
athens,
that
we
could
simply
amend
our
current
ordinance,
that's
called
unlawful,
discriminatory
practices
by
adding
the
language
source
of
income,
and
so
what
we
have
presented
to
us
tonight
is
an
amended
version
of
that
of
athens
city
code,
title
three.
C
That
does
two
things:
it
adds
the
definition
of
source
of
income
and
then
it
also
includes
that
verbiage
sources,
source
of
income
in
the
in
different
parts
within
the
ordinance-
and
you
can
see
it
highlighted
in
our
drive.
C
So
in
addition
to
that
president
nicely
kindly
reached
reached
out
to
southeast
ohio,
legal
services
for
some
additional
context
and
professional
opinion
and
experience,
and
so
I'm
I'm
happy
to
say,
we
are
actually
joined
here
tonight
by
peggy
lee,
who
is
the
senior
staff
attorney
and
program
coordinator
for
the
appalachian
ohio?
Fair
housing
project,
which
is
all
part
of
southeast
ohio,
legal
services,
and
so
at
this
point,
I'd
like
to
just
kick
it
over
to
peggy.
C
D
D
D
This
is
a
program
that
was
designed
by
hud.
That
would
allow
people
of
you
know,
modest
means
to
be
able
to
go
into
areas
of
opportunity
and
rent
from
the
private
rental
market.
So
long
as
the
rent
was
not
above
a
certain
amount
because
there's
a
maximum
that
they
will
pay
depending
on
the
household
size.
D
This
is
often
an
area
where,
right
now
there
are
ads
that
say
no
hud,
so
well,
that's
the
sort
of
the
colloquial
reference
to
section
8,
meaning
if
you
have
a
section
8
voucher,
don't
even
bother
coming
here
to
see
if
there's
availability
and
it
could
be
pretext
for
something
else,
because
you
know
people
who
are
receiving
section
8
vouchers
may
not
only
be
of
limited
income,
but
quite
often
those
populations
are
also
disabled
on
social
security,
disability,
ssi
and,
and
so
not
only
is
there.
This
need
to
help
folks
get
housing.
D
I
don't
know
if
you
recall,
but
in
october
of
last
year
there
was
a
press
release,
or
I
shouldn't
say
personally,
there
was
an
article
in
the
athens
messenger
about
the
loss
of
procos
as
a
major
section,
8
housing
provider
about
60
families
were
displaced
in
the
athens
county
area
alone.
As
a
result
that
took
off
you
know
countless
numbers
of
units
from
the
market
available
to
people
with
vouchers
people
wait
years
in
some
cases
to
get
a
housing
choice,
voucher
where
they
can
use
this
basically
certificate
and
get
subsidized
at
a
private
rental.
D
C
Thank
you
peggy
and
a
couple
other
things
I
wanted
to
share
and
then
and
then
I'll
hand
it
back
over
to
you.
Member
fall
the
current
ordinance.
I
didn't
really
describe
what
is
in
there
right
now,
but
it's
includes
a
long
list
of
things.
People
can't
be
discriminated
against.
You
know
they're
the
race,
their
religion,
their
living
situation,
marital
status,
ancestry,
national
origin
and
that
sort
of
thing,
and
so
this
is
a
fairly
simple
change
and
that
we're,
including
this
source
of
income
as
another.
C
Another
thing
we
want
to
protect
people
for
and
seem
like
a
relatively
simple
ad
and
that's
yeah
that
I'll
kick
it
back
over
to
you
member
fall.
Thank
you.
D
If
I
may
say
something,
I
think
this
would
definitely
make
athens
county
one
of
the
most
kind
counties
in
letting
people
who
are
of
modest
means.
You
know,
low-income
folks
know
that
you
know
being
low.
Income
is
not
something
to
discriminate
against.
C
B
Yeah,
I
got
one.
Thank
you,
mr
reisner.
E
If
we
amend
the
ordinance
and
a
landlord
says,
I
don't
care
what
the
ordinance
says.
I'm
gonna
take
him.
What's
our
what's
our
next
step,
does
this.
E
E
What
I'm
asking
is
well
at
the
different
sections
that
are
there:
what
teeth
do
we
have
in
this
unamended
ordinance
as
it
stands
right
now
that
allows
us
to
say
landlord?
What
you're
doing
is
against
our
law?
You
can't
do
that
and
if
you
continue
to
do
well,
not
you
will
stop,
you
will
cease
and
desist
doing
it.
E
D
Well,
you
are
talking
to
the
senior
staff
attorney,
who
mainly
does
a
lot
of
housing
work
and
fair
housing
work
and
right
now,
if
somebody
is
facing
discrimination
in
violation
of
the
city,
ordinances
or
the
federal
law
or
the
state
law
regarding
discrimination,
they
can
certainly
come
to
apply
for
services
so
long
as
they're
eligible
otherwise,
and-
and
in
fact,
I
think
in
our
fair
housing
range
realm,
we
don't
have
income
and
asset
limits
per
se
due
to
the
nature
of
our
grant,
but
they
can
certainly
come
to
our
office,
and
we
would
have
to
evaluate
I'm
also
the
testing
coordinator
for
the
fair
housing
project,
and
we
would
definitely
want
to
investigate
and
do
tests
to
see
if,
in
fact,
that
is
a
true
representation
of
a
discrimination
so
that
we
have
good
evidence
that
could
be
used
in
court
and
have
our
testers
testify
as
to
what
they
were
told
when
they
did
their
test
of
that
particular
landlord.
B
Right,
I
think
what
jeff
is
actually
asking
is:
what
are
the
penalty
sections
of
the
ordinance
right
as
it
stands
right
now,
and
what
kind
of
penalties
and
processes
the
city
has
to
go
through
when
saying
to
a
landlord
that
they're
not
fulfilling
the
ordinance?
That's
what
he's
asking
about,
and
so
I
don't
have
the
ordinance
in
front
of
me.
Aaron
looks
like
you
do,
maybe,
but
if
there's
no
penalty
sections
in
that
ordinance,
then
that's
something
that
we
may
have
to
look
at.
Also,
because
is
that
kind
of
true
jeff?
E
You're
coming
that's
what
I
was
getting
at.
That's
what
I
meant
by
the
burdens
on
the
city.
I
mean
we
passed
laws.
We
have
to
enforce
them,
so
it's
pointless
to
enforce
an
ordinance
that
has
no
penalty
behind
it,
see
the
point
so.
Consequently,
we
have
to
be
sure
that
we
do
have
something
there.
That
says
all
right:
the
fine
is
a
thousand
dollars
a
day
as
an
example
right.
F
B
To
make
sure
it's
updated
at
the
same
time,
you
know
what
I
mean
look
at
it
and
then
make
sure
that
it
does
what
it
needs
to
do
if
this
is
a.
This
is
an
important
ordinance
that
has
a
lot
of
the
language
that
we
really
care
about
in
the
city,
so
we
need
to
look
at
that
penalty.
At
the
same
time,
if
we're
going
to
be
doing
some
updating
and
stuff,
would
that
be
fair.
G
A
H
Thank
you,
president
nicely.
I
I
I
like
what
I'm
hearing
I've
not
seen
the
section
in
code
so
for
the
sake
of
hopefully
not
being
correct,
so
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
please
councilmember
smedley,
I'm
currently
looking
at
3.07.62-
and
I
believe,
is
that
section
c
of
that
which
is
discrimination
in
housing.
H
Yeah,
I'd,
like
I,
I
haven't
seen
the
language
yet
I'd
like
to
see
the
language
as
we
move
forward
and
to
see
where
to
see
where
penalties
could
could
fit
into
this
I
mean:
could
it
be
the
loss
of
your
ability
to
hold
a
rental
permit
or
something
along
those
lines?
I
mean
I
I'd,
be
interested
to
see
how
this
is
going
to
come
together,
and
maybe
we
can
continue
to
have
some
input
from
peggy
lee
on
this
as
we
move
forward,
as
well
as
the
city's
law
director.
Of
course,.
I
Best,
I
think
this
is
a
a
good,
compassionate
idea.
I
think
it
would
be
really
helpful
for
a
lot
of
low-income
people,
but
I
just
wonder
if
anybody
has
gotten
feedback
from
landlords.
Do
we
know
what
the
landlords
are
thinking
about
this?
Hopefully
they
would
accept
this
because
I
think
it
would
help
a
lot
of
people,
but
I
just
don't
know
how
they
would
think
about
this.
C
Thank
you,
remember
cloudfelter.
I
I
have
not
re
sought
feedback
on
whether
or
not
it's
okay
to
not
discriminate
against
a
certain
person.
This
isn't.
This
is
a
situation
where
people
are
being
discriminated
against
and
we're
trying
to
prevent
that.
I
don't
know.
If
is
it
something
you
want
to
ask
them
if
they're,
okay,
with.
I
That's
that's
fair.
I
guess
I
should
have
been
a
little
more
specific,
I'm
wondering
if
any
landlords
would
say
well
when
I've
had.
You
know
people
with
a
certain
incomes
in
the
past,
they've
moved
more
often
or
they've.
You
know
like
who
knows
what
they
would
say
but
are?
Are
they
protesting
this?
I
just
am
curious.
I
think
it's
a
great
idea.
I
think,
as
I
said,
I
think
it's
compassionate,
but
I
just
wonder
you
know:
would
there
be
a
lot
of
of
negative
feedback
about
this,
just
to
know
in
advance.
C
And
there
might
be
a
distinction
that
maybe
peggy
could
elaborate
on
discrimination
happening
in
other
situations,
where
I
assume
there's
a
process
that
needs
to
happen
in
order
to
become
a
hud
certified
property.
And
you,
if
you
are
that
you
are,
if
you're
not
you're,
not
so,
maybe
you
can
educate
us
a
little
bit.
Peggy.
D
Well,
in
order
to
get
a
section,
a
voucher,
it's
not
just
you
get
in
line,
I
mean
that
is
part
of
it,
but
there
is
a
screening
process
and
people
could
be
denied
from
being
eligible
for
the
section
8
voucher
for
various
myriad
of
reasons,
including
you
know,
they
look
at
background
and
you
know,
but
our
our
athens
metropolitan
housing
authority
who
administers
the
section
8
voucher
program,
has
been
lauded
as
one
of
the
best
in
the
nation
and
actually
the
former
executive
director.
D
Keith
andrews
has
spoken
at
national
events
because
of
his.
You
know
the
amha's
policy
on
you
know
how
far
to
look
back
at
somebody's
history
in
order
to
be
eligible
for
affordable
housing.
You
know
in
today's
world,
with
the
pandemic,
it's
very
important
that
the
community
be
protected
from
people
who
you
know
could
be
at
risk
of,
not
just
you
know
getting
sick,
but
also,
possibly
if
they're
homeless,
and
you
know
stuck
in
close
quarters.
D
B
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
miss
cloudfilter
is
trying
to
what
I
heard
was
also
if
we
do
get
landlords
on
board,
because
there
will
be
a
a
process
of
education
and
a
process
of
of
you
know
getting
people
up
to
speed
with
this
language
and
such
and
having
landlords
part
of
that
process
would
probably
help
a
lot
and
stuff.
So
I
think
that's
kind
of
what
I
heard
from
from
that.
So
is
there
somebody
from
the
audience
I
I
don't
know
how
to
do
the
people
from
the
audience.
J
Hi,
my
name
is
laurie
burgeshausen
and
I
just
wanted
to
just
say
that
I'm
so
thankful
that
source
of
income
discrimination
is
being
mentioned
tonight.
As
we
know,
there
is
a
president
in
athens
for
adding
protected
classes.
Lgbtq
protections
were
added
a
few
years
ago,
which
is
not
in
the
federal,
fair
housing
act,
and
this
is
a
really
important
issue.
Recipients
of
housing
choice
vouchers
in
athens
are
experiencing
extreme
rates
of
poverty
with
an
average
income
of
10
421
per
year.
J
Women
people
with
disabilities
and
people
of
color
utilize
vouchers
to
pay
rent
at
disproportionate
rates
in
ohio,
80
percent
of
people
receiving
assistance
are
women
and
in
athens,
82
of
people
living
in
households
using
housing,
voice
vouchers
have
disabilities.
J
One
thing:
that's
great
about
the
housing
choice,
voucher
program,
rent
payments
are
reliable.
A
large
portion
of
the
payment,
typically
about
70,
comes
directly
from
the
voucher
provider
to
the
rental
owner.
This
reliably
arrives
on
the
first
business
day
of
the
month,
and
the
program
rules
also
provide
incentives
for
voucher
holders
to
make
timely
rent
payments.
J
Voucher
tenants
have
incentives
to
maintain
their
unit
and
pay
rent
on
time.
Some
landlords
believe
that
voucher
holders
are
not
good.
Tenants
will
damage
the
unit
and
not
pay
rent
reliably,
but
voucher
tenants
have
strong
incentives
built
into
the
program
to
be
good
tenants.
Many
waited
as
peggy
mentioned
years
to
receive
rental
assistance.
They
know
that
they
can
lose
their
subsidy
if
they
damage
the
unit.
Do
not
pay
rent
on
time
or
evicted
for
similar
reasons
and
research
shows
that
housing,
voucher
programs
participants
are
no
more
likely
to
cause
problems
than
market
rent
tenants.
A
D
Yeah,
I
think
that's
a
common
misconception
that
people
could
just
move
on
and
take
their
voucher
with
them
and
cause
further
havoc.
But
that's
not
true
if
you
owe
money
to
a
pro
a
prior
landlord,
even
if
you're
able
to
move
successfully
with
your
voucher
to
a
new
place
that,
owing
a
past
damage
amount
or
rent
amount
to
a
prior
landlord,
even
if
they
didn't
take
you
to
court,
that
could
cause
you
in
violation
of
the
rules,
to
lose
your
voucher.
D
So
there
is
incentive,
as
laurie
mentioned,
not
to
violate
the
rules,
because
this
is
a
badly
needed
commodity.
It's
in
short
supply.
There
may
be
emergency
vouchers
coming
with
the
new
legislation,
but
right
now
the
number
of
housing
section,
8
housing
choice
vouchers
are
in
short
supply
and
people
can
move
out
of
county
with
them.
So
the
number
of
athens
county
vouchers
may
be
even
less
than
you
know
a
year
or
two
ago,
especially
for
those
folks
who
lost
their
housing
with
pro.
B
A
It
looks
like
we
have
one
more
public
comment:
a
catherine
king
who
is
with
united
athens
county
tenants
and
lives
at
one
seven,
one,
three,
three,
two
town
road
in.
K
Hello
yeah,
my
name
is
catherine
king,
I'm
from
united
athens
county
tenants.
I
just
wanted
to
share
on
behalf
of
you
act
that
we've
worked
with
quite
a
few
tenants
who
receive
vouchers
and
have
struggled
to
find
housing
because
of
source
of
income
discrimination.
K
Our
organization
helps
people
call
around
and
try
to
find
new
units
and
beyond
the
many
units
that
have
no
hud
written
in
the
descriptions,
most
landlords
that
we've
called
within
city
limits
have
refused
to
accept
vouchers,
even
the
the
landlords
whose
rent
is
below
the
fair
market
value.
So
we're
really
thrilled
that
this
is
being
discussed
by
city
council
and
we
really
encourage
you
all
to
add
this.
So
thanks
so
much
council
persons
medley
for
bringing
this
thank.
D
L
Hi,
so
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
that
I
have
been
I've
been
studying
this
issue.
It's
a
it's
something
that
really
concerns
me.
I
can't
say
that
I'm
ready
to
to
propose
a
specific
model,
and-
and
I
think
this
change-
the
ordinance
is
an
excellent
first
start.
L
That
being
said,
as
has
been
been
pointed
out,
it
is,
it
has
been
increasing
as
a
strategy
to
prevent
discrimination
around
the
country,
so
there
have
become
models
that
have
been
more
effective
than
others
in
part
to
address
member
reisner's
concerns
about.
How
do
we
enforce
this
because
I'm
afraid
some
landlords
are
not
going
to
be
welcoming
this
change.
L
So
I
think
that
if
we
can
make
this
as
appealing
as
possible,
with
some
teeth
that
might
need
to
have
an
additional
portion
to
this
ordinance
or
a
separate
ordinance
altogether,
I
think
that
would
be
beneficial
for
making
this
really
work.
Thank
you.
L
B
So
it
looks
like
we
have
some
questions
that
we'll
need
to
look
at
with,
especially
with
the
law
director
on
this,
and
so
when
some
of
those
questions
get
answered
and
such
we
can
move
on
from
there.
Does
that
sound
like
a
good
timeline.
C
Sorry,
I'm
distracted
by
the
music,
but
yes
I
I
appreciate
the
feedback.
I
appreciate
the
questions.
The
comments
appreciate
peggy
lee
being
here,
providing
us
some
additional
expertise,
first
step
in
in
what
I
hope
we
we
can
discuss
again
at
a
future
meeting,
so
yeah
you'll
hear
you
hear
more
soon.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
everybody
coming
great
well,
the
next
on
the
agenda
for
for
planning
and
development
is
the
title:
37
landscape
ordinance.
This
is
the
like.
The
final
it's
been
looked
at
by
everybody
and
and
their
uncle
literally,
and
this
is
ready
to
go,
and
I
decided
since
it's
spring
and
there's
so
many
flowers
out
that
we
could
do
a
really
quick
slide,
show
about
what
it's
trying
the
aim
of
it
and
kind
of
the
programs
out
of
it.
B
Okay,
so
this
is
the
landscape,
ordinance
and
title
nine,
which
is
part
of
it.
So
the
problems
with
the
current
landscape
planning,
the
current
landscape
ordinance,
was
brought
forward
by
a
group
group
of
citizens.
B
Part
of
them
were
in
the
western
doll
garden
program,
and
so
we
did
an
analysis
of
the
landscape
ordinance
language
and
there
were
several
things
that
really
stuck
out
of
what
a
good
ordinance
says:
there's
no
language
about
invasives
or
noxious
plants,
no
native
species,
language,
there's
no
tree
bank,
which
I'll
talk
about
no
memorial
tree
program
and
no
pollinator
program.
The
three
last
programs
are
considered
best
management
practices
for
ordinances
and
there
you
can
find
examples
across
the
country.
B
Well,
the
first
one
that
we
all
know
about
is
exotic
and
and
invasive
species
and
noxious
species.
This
is
kind
of
a
rogues
gallery.
You
have
kudzu,
you
have
iv,
which
we
see
all
over
the
city
taking
over
trees,
the
alley
campus,
which
is
the
tree
of
heaven,
everybody's
favorite,
garlic,
mustard,
bradford,
pear,
which,
if
you
drive
down
50
they're
all
over
the
fields
behind.
B
Dollars
annually
is,
is
the
cost
of
the
impact
on
agricultural
recreation
and
commercial
lands
from
these
invasive
and
hazardous,
not
hazardous
noxious
species.
B
The
the
first
new
program
that
comes
out
of
this
is
a
tree
bank
and
a
tree
bank,
sometimes
when
I'll
I'll
use
my
nards
again
because
of
the
stormwater
runoff
that
they
had
to
plan
for
and
and
manage
for
and
other
reasons,
they
could
not
put
as
many
trees
on
their
property
that
the
landscape
ordinance
required.
B
So
they
have
like
what
are
they?
What
do
you
do
when
you
have
a
situation
like
that?
You
use
off-site
mitigation,
and
so
that
means
some
towns
have
a
a
park
that
they
put
all
the
the
trees
into
that
maynards
would
pay
for
this.
One
is
that
the
in-lieu
fee
that
would
be
charged
against
those
trees
that
they
couldn't
put
in
would
be
put
into
a
special
account
and
can
be
only
used
for
certain
reasons
regarding
trees
and
the
off-site
mitigation
for
that
development.
B
So
that's
plant
trees
in
the
city,
including
for
street
tree
replacement
and
expansion,
and
to
also
protect
forested
land
in
the
city
like
through
conservation
easements
and
such
there's
gonna
be
a
celebration
tree
program,
and
this
is
you
know
you
hear
about
memorial
trees.
Well,
this
is
a
tree
that
you
can
have
planted
in
in
honor
of
any
type
of
celebration.
B
We
supply
the
tree
and
plant
it
and
maintain
it
and
guarantee
it
for
like
three
years,
which
is
about
the
time
that
we
that
a
tree
will
really
establish
itself
and
they'll,
be
native
species
and
we'll
pick
the
areas
that
can
be
placed
the
tree
can
be
placed,
but
the
the
donator
can,
you
know,
say
what
kind
of
species
and
some
other
things,
and
we
can
make
a
a
ceremony
out
of
it.
B
B
Two
out
of
three
species
of
plant
food
that
we
rely
on
across
the
globe
is
pollinated
by
pollinator
species
such
as
ants
bees,
wasps
certain
types
of
birds,
those
sort
of
and
pollinators,
are
being
lost
at
an
astounding
rate.
The
other
thing
that
this
program
looks
at
and
and
tries
to
educate
about
is
the
cost
of
lawns
between
the
the
water,
fertilizer
herbicides
and
the
loss
of
biodiversity.
B
So
when
you
want
to
be
a
pollinator-friendly
garden,
there
are
certain
things
that
you
have
to
do
and
certain
requirements
that
you
have
to
fulfill
in
order
to
be
registered
with
the
program.
B
The
other
thing
we
ask
you
to
do
is
reduce
all
pesticide
and
herbicide
use
in
gardens.
This
is
a
hive
that
had
pesticide
overspray
and
it's
sad
we'd
like
to
see
one
native
species
pollinator-friendly
species
that
could
be.
B
You
know
our
beautiful
little
wildflowers,
such
as
the
trillium
sneeze
weed
the
red
plant
that
looks
kind
of
spider,
like
that's
a
california,
that's
a
florida
allspice,
and
then
we
have
treats
that
provide
a
lot
of
species
with
really
important
nesting
and
those
sort
of
things
and
then
have
something
special
water
or
shelter
or
nesting
habitat,
and
that
could
be
as
simple
as
plate
of
water
could
be
these.
You
know
the
mason
bee
holes
or
it
could
be
a
big
tree
that
provides
nothing
here.
B
Now,
what
does
this
plan
not
allow
you
to
do?
Well,
you
can't
let
your
grass
species
your
lawn
species
grow
to
higher
than
a
standing
cat
that
is
not
allowed,
because
under
ordinance
under
title
ix,
the
lawn
species
has
not
been
exempt
from
cutting
to
eight
inches.
So
you
can't
have
the
middle
thing
where
there
may
be
pollinator
species,
but
because
the
lawn
lawn
species
are
over
eight
inches,
they
would
be
in
in
not
up
to
the
standards
of
the
land
of
the
pollinator
requirements
and
same
with
the
last
one.
B
So
it's
not
a
way
of
somebody
being
able
to
come
in
and
say
I
don't
have
to
mow
my
lawn
now.
It's
all
pollinator
habitat,
because
that's
not
true,
also
because
it's
for
pride
for
homeowner
occupied
units
and
business
units.
B
B
Many
places
find
that
they
have
much
higher
amount
of
flowers
and
bugs
when
there's
just
two
or
three
pollinator
gardens
just
think
of
what
we
can
provide
across
the
city,
which
could
be
a
great
pollinator
trail
through
the
city
and
that
will
have
houses
and
everything
that
we
know
that
people
really
appreciate
because
they've
gone
that
extra
mile
to
go
and
make
habitat
for
all
our
pollinators.
B
I
I
have
one
chris,
I
don't
know.
If
you
can
see
me,
could
you
explain
to
the
public
to
the
people
who
may
be
watching
what
exactly
how
someone
could
register
for
this
program
and
what
they
would
get
if
they
do
register
to
have
a
pollinator
garden
great?
It.
B
Will
be
through
the
the
code
enforcement
office,
there
will
be
an
online
we're
looking
at
an
online
application
and
they'll
be
lists
that
are
put
together
for
people
to
choose
the
plants
off
of
or
to
say.
I
have
this
this
and
this.
B
There
are
a
lot
of
on
online
programs
like
the
the
lady
bird
johnson,
wildflower
programs.
They
have
lists
ready
for
cities,
one
of
the
best
series
of
lists
that
I've
seen
was
from
the
cincinnati
cincinnati
zoo.
They
have
a
whole
program
where
they've
done
tests
and
everything
so
questions.
Other
questions.
M
Thank
you,
member
fall
for
working
on
this
I'm
curious
about.
I
know
that
some
programs
provide
a
preferred
plier
list
for
many
of
the
plants
that
are
necessary
in
pollinator
gardens.
Will
we
be
doing
anything
like
that.
B
B
There
are
more
native
plant
species
nurseries
around
than
there
used
to
be,
but
I'm
not
sure
if
the
code
enforcement
has
looked
at
whether
they
want
to
identify
those
or
not
so
they're
not
identified
in
the
ordinance.
But
there
might
be
a
list
in
the
application
or
something.
So
if.
M
I
Maybe
you
said
this,
but
do
I
remember
correctly
that
if
people
do
register
to
to
have
a
pollinator
garden
that
they'll
get
a,
they
can
get
a
sign
for
their
yard
to
indicate
that.
B
We
hope
so,
okay,
yes,
hopefully
it
will
be
a
nicely
locally
designed
sign.
So
thank
you.
Other
questions.
M
N
Oh,
yes,
am
I
unmuted
yep,
okay,
alan
swank,
40
towns
in
place
here
in
athens.
Several
questions
not
really
comments,
but
several
questions
when
one
considers
we're
currently
down
one
officer
in
the
code
office.
I'd
like
to
know.
First
of
all,
this
is
the
first
question:
what
will
be
the
logistics
of
verifying
compliance
in
the
initial
year?
In
other
words,
what
will
be
the
process
where
one
is
designated
a
pollinator
pollinator-friendly
property.
B
It's
not
I
I
would
expect
the
first
year,
especially
because
we're
already
in
planting
season
and
everything
the
people
who
already
have
gardens
that
could
qualify,
are
going
to
be
the
first
people
who
come
in
and
yeah
they'll
be
a
little
guinea
pigs
on
on
the
application
process,
because
there
may
be
hiccups.
You
know
whether
so
those
sort
of
things
will
kind
of
be
ironed
out,
as
the
process
goes
through.
B
Most
cities
that
have
this
this
program
is
relatively
easy.
It's
a
one-page
application
and,
if
you
are
to
where,
if
and
here
it
will
be
a
complaint
based
citation
process.
N
Well,
greg
you
answered
the
second
question
that
was
going
to
be
in
subsequent
years
and
I'll
be
complaining
based,
although
I'm
sure
you've
found
the
so
have
I
that
most
people
who
have
these
types
of
gardens
maintain
them
fairly.
Well.
Third:
question:
the
initial
regulations
you
talked
about
for
commercial
development
and
the
like:
will
that
apply
to
the
new
proposed
housing
units
that
are
going
in
up
at
university
estates.
B
Yeah,
it's
a
majority
of
the
landscape.
Ordinance
will
act
exactly
like
it
does
today.
It's
that
it's
been
expanded
to
include
the
idea
of
natives,
exotics,
invasives
and
noxious
plants.
Pretty
much
for
that.
The
shade
tree
commission
is
still
in
charge.
They
still
have
a
majority
of
the
ordinance
with
all
the
setbacks
and
tree
formulas
that
they
have
in.
There
has
not
been
touched.
N
Okay,
great,
I
guess
the
last
thing
is
a
comment.
I'm
really
glad
and
I'm
again
I'm
not
speaking
on
behalf
of
anyone,
but
I
am
glad
that
what
the
fina
executive
board
put
forth
three
or
four
months
ago,
with
the
eight
inch
grass
height
has
been
been
put
in
here
instead
of
the
ten
inch
proposed
grass
site
and
certainly
glad
that
the
eight
inch
exemption
is
not
going
to
be
extended,
it
could
have
been
quite
a
prairie.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
answering
those
questions.
E
I
mean
we,
we've
completely
lost
the
the
ash
tree
population,
of
course,
that
wasn't
a
tree
coming
in.
That
was
a
the
ash
borer,
but
those
type
of
disasters
that
happened,
reduce
the
stock
available
of
native
species.
E
You
could
have
unscrupulous
vendors
out
there
who
says?
Oh
well,
you
need
50
native
species.
B
Right,
the
or
the
ordinary
yeah,
the
ordinance
language
includes
requirements
to
buy
from
a
certified
nurse
nursery
person
organization,
and
there
are
a
whole
list
and
there
are
more
coming
online.
But
like
mason
chambers
is
at
five
springs.
I
think
he's
certified
and
some
other
people
who
I've
been
working
with
actually
working
on
the
the
invasive
and
and
obnoxious
part
of
the
ordinance
together.
So.
B
I
don't
know
you
know
I
bet
in
florida
they
have
because
florida
this
is,
you
know,
state
mandated
they
don't
let
commercial
landscape
put
like
lawn
in
now.
It's
all.
This
sort
of
you
know
xeriscaping
low
maintenance,
native
species,
and
you
know
when
you
look
at
a
whole
state
who's
doing
it.
California,
oregon
and
ashland
they're
paying
three
thousand
dollars
for
each
person's
house.
If
they
remove
their
lawn
as
a
tax
cut
and
as
a
tax
rebate
a
year,
they
move
it.
So
I
mean
this
is
we're
late
to
the
game
here.
G
Can
you
can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
okay,
yeah,
my
name
is
chad,
pister
and
I
I
do
represent
a
lot
of
environmental
groups,
including
hawking
boys,
with
more
than
two
decades
here
in
the
hawking
bio
region,
and
I
do
want
to
applaud
these
efforts.
I
think
is
absolutely
wonderful
and
I
also
think
you
should
look
into
rebates
for
growing,
raising
honey
bees
and
also,
if
there
are
any
invasive
killer
bees
to
aggressively
go
after
and
get
rid
of
them.
But
thank
you.
G
B
Thank
you,
so
I
I
want
to
like
say
thank
you
to
the
the
people
who
came
forward
through
this
process.
You
know
all
the
the
original
people
who
came
forward
and
everybody
else
who
put
time
and
energy
in
it.
So
thank
you.
B
So
the
next
two
next
three
of
the
ordinances
all
have
to
do
with
the
landscaping
title
ix
is
about
exemptions
and
heights
title
one
is
the
fees
that
will
have
the
fees
for
the
the
in
lieu
tree
bank
trees,
the
celebration
trees
and
how
much
it
costs
to
do
a
pollinator
garden
and
the
last
one
title
13
is
where
we
decided
to
put
the
litter
section
that
was
in
title
ix.
B
B
What
is
that
revocable
license?
Thank
you
for
43.
Hudson
avenue
is
that
right,
and
this
is
for
a
fence
that
will
be
in
the
right
of
way
a
four
and
a
half
foot
fence
on
the
property.
B
63,
okay,
thank
you,
so
this
has
been
all
signed
off
by
all
the
different
departments
and
it's
ready
to
go
through.
A
M
M
There
is
a
request
for
19
000
to
the
general
fund
for
fire
or
for
some
vehicle
repairs.
M
They
had
to
replace
some
pumpkin
gears
in
one
truck
and
they
had
to
replace
a
transmission
and
a
backup
truck.
So
this
would
be
nineteen
thousand
dollars
appropriated
to
the
general
fund
for
the
fire
department.
There.
Any
questions.
M
Okay,
moving
on
the
next
item
is
an
appropriation
of
4
800
to
the
community
development
block,
grant
fund
cdbg
fund
to
pay
three
invoices
received
with
the
community
housing
impact
and
preservation
program.
The
chip
program.
M
The
weed
the
money
was
not
appropriated
originally
in
the
beginning
of
the
year
budget,
because
the
city
was
unaware
that
the
that
our
earned
income
for
this
grant
cycle
was
going
to
become
due
this
year.
So
we
need
an
additional
appropriation
of
4
800
into
248
so
that
these
invoices
can
be
processed.
M
The
specific
amount
of
four
thousand
eight
hundred
dollars
was
a
mortgage
payoff
from
2017,
which
was
reported
in
the
current
grant
cycle
application,
and
the
state
is
now
requiring
that
program.
Income
be
paid
down
every
grant
cycle.
M
M
Seeing
none
we'll
move
on
to
the
next
item
on
our
agenda,
and
this
is
an
appropriation
of
twenty
two
thousand
six
hundred
dollars
to
the
sewer
debt
fund.
This
is
to
cover
our
upcoming
sewer
loan
payments.
M
B
With
a
lot
of
our
loans
that
we've
done
before
you
know
like
our
fire
truck
and
those
loans,
we
can
pay
those
off
early
many
times.
We
do
pay
them
off
early,
so
we
save
money
on
like
interest.
Is
that
that's
not
necessarily
true
for
the
so
the
sewer
loans
that
we
have,
that
we
have
them
for
20
years?
So
thank
you.
M
P
Just
to
add
that
member
fall
is
absolutely
correct.
We
have
over
a
million
and
a
half
dollars
in
loans
out
there
and
the
majority
of
owda
loans,
which
is
what
member
fall
is
talking
about
and
they
set
up
those
payments
they're
on
an
a
schedule
and
we
can't
adjust
or
pay
off
or
anything
like
that,
and
so
we
do
have
one
smaller
about
300
000
loan
at
hockey,
valley
bank
and
that's
the
only
one
that
we
can
can
do
pay
off
early
if
we
wanted
to
yes.
M
Excellent
thanks
for
the
information
any
other
questions.
Okay,
moving
on
to
the
next
appropriation
would
be
for
250
000
appropriated
to
the
sewer
fund.
P
Sorry
I
just
wanted
to
let
council
know
in
particular
that
last
year
we
put
money
automatically
we
directed
into
the
sewer
debt
fund,
so
that
we
have
money
in
that
fund
to
pay
our
our
debt
sewer
debts,
and
last
year
we
council
probably
had
our
request
transferred
250
000
from
the
sewer
debt
fund
into
the
sewer
fund
for
a
project.
P
So
now
that
the
sewer
debt
fund
is
healthier,
we
are
just
moving
that
money
back
into
the
sewer
fund
where
sewer
debt
fund,
where
it
was
taken
from
last
year.
M
M
Thanks
for
that
clarification,
seeing
no
other
comments.
The
next
appropriation
is
one
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
the
arts,
parks
and
recreation
income
tax
fund.
Again
this
will.
This
is
an
amount
that
will
go
into
the
income
tax
fund
and
then
be
transferred
to
the
community
center
fund.
M
And
city
administration
councils
working
closely
with
arts
parks
and
recreation
to
get
a
handle
of
their
budget
and
their
issues
over
the
past
pandemic
years
and
then
moving
forward
into
a
five-year
period.
So
we
hope
to
have
some
good
numbers
to
to
know
our
way
forward.
P
Sorry
one
more
comment
on
this
one.
This
is
in
particular
for
use
to
help
out
the
community
center
fund
and,
as
we
all
know,
it's
been
pretty
difficult
and
hit
hard
as
far
as
any
kind
of
operations
and
activities
that
could
go
on
there.
So
this
money
coming
from
that
tax
levy
fund
is
an
allowable
expense
for
that
fund,
and
so
hopefully
we
won't
have
to
do
this
too
much
longer
when
the
pandemic
settles
down.
Thank.
M
You
excellent
thank
you,
editor
hecht.
Moving
on
the
next
two
items
are
appropriations
to
be
decreased
and
this
is
to
correct
some
over-appropriation
done
in
the
2021
budget.
The
first
of
these
is
to
decrease
130
000
from
the
cdbg
fund
for
the
times
reservoir
project.
M
M
Scene,
none
we
will
move
down
to
the
transfer
portion
of
the
appropriations
and
transfers,
and
these
are
interfund
transfers
that
were
already
mentioned
in
the
previous
part
of
the
committee
meeting
on
appropriations.
M
M
M
Seeing
no
comments
on
those
items
we
will
move
to
the
last
item
on
our
agenda,
which
is
the
aep
master
energy
agreement,
and
I
am
very
pleased
that
we
have
a
guest
with
us
tonight
that
I
will
turn
over
for
the
the
expert
explanation
of
what
I'm
going
to
try
to
explain
here.
The
the
the
sopex
city
government.
Electric
rates
is
what
the
real
the
topic
here
is.
M
M
I
believe
that
the
sopex
recommendation
is
for
a
24-month
term
with
a
two-dollar
carbon
fee.
Now
remember,
all
this
money
comes
right
back
to
the
city,
the
city.
If
we
do
choose
the
24
months
with
the
two
dollar
carbon
fee,
then
the
city
would
pay
the
same
as
residents
and
the
same
as
small
commercial
accounts.
M
It
also
should
be
noted
that
the
county
is
choosing
this
rate,
I'm
told
for
their
buildings
within
the
city
of
athens
or
there
excuse
me
they're
electric
accounts
within
the
city
of
athens,
and
I
believe,
we'll
hear
from
mr
roberts
here.
In
a
moment,
opec
also,
you
know
requested
offers
from
other
electric
suppliers
competitive
suppliers,
but
to
date
no
other
offers
except
aep
energy
were
received.
M
Q
Sure,
thanks
for
having
me,
it's
been
nice
listening
to
all
the
city
matters,
so
yeah,
the
the
offer
on
the
table
from
aap
energy
is
a
24
month
or
25
month.
I
can
explain
that
a
little
bit
a
supply
offer
for
all
of
the
city's
electricity
accounts,
and
as
mentioned,
the
recommendation
was
to
also
add
a
self-induced
carbon
fee
that
would
just
come
back
to
the
city
as
a
check
every
month
or
every
quarter,
and
that's
just
to
kind
of
be
in
solidarity.
Q
With
the
residential
and
small
commercial
accounts
being
served
by
the
general
electric
aggregation
program.
They
are
also
paying
a
two
dollar
per
megawatt
hour
carbon
fee
and
so
wanted
to
provide
that
offer
to
the
city
to
kind
of
share
that
that
burden
a
little
bit
with
their
residents.
Q
Q
Q
It
includes
a
sopac
administrative
fee
of
a
dollar
per
megawatt
hour
to
kind
of
handle
this
brokering,
and
it
also
is
all
inclusive
and
fixed
for
all
of
the
other
energy
related
components,
and
it
is
useful
to
note
that
the
capacity
charges
across
the
whole
region
have
increased
by
82
percent
and
that
the
capacity
charges
for
those
that
aren't
familiar
is
just
the
cost
to
keep
electric
power
generators
online.
In
case
there
is
a
need
for
reserves,
so
that
is
kind
of
built
into
the
final
pricing
structure.
Q
If
I
don't
have
it
in
front
of
me,
but
the
previous
supply
contract
for
all
of
these
accounts
was
also
a
two
year.
It
was.
Q
So
adjusting
for
the
administrative
fee
and
the
pretty
large
increase
in
capacity
price.
This
is
roughly
kind
of
the
same
deal
as
what
you've
got
over
the
last
two
years
and
it
is
also
going
to
be
an
over
two
year
program.
So
that's
what's
on
the
table
to
approve
here
and
I
can
answer
any
questions.
M
Thank
you,
matt
and
before
I
take
additional
questions,
I
want
to
make
council
aware
of
something
we
have
been
doing
due
diligence
on
council
to
try
to
get
our
business
done
with
the
three
readings
presenting
to
to
committee
and
then
having
three
readings
before
voting
in
this
case,
and
this
is
somewhat
unique
in
that
the
suppliers
don't
want
to
guarantee
their
rate
for
a
very
long
period
of
time.
M
So
we
believe
that
this
rate
may
be
good
until
mid-may,
but
we're
not
entirely
sure
about
that
and
the
recommendation
is
to
speed
this
along.
I
know
that
we
are
hesitant
to
pass
things
under
suspension,
but
the
recommendation
at
the
committee
today
is
to
present
this
under
suspension
of
rules
next
week
for
approval,
so
we
can
discuss
that
as
well.
If
you'd
like
mayor,
would
you
like
to
speak
to
this
today?.
H
I
would
be
more
than
happy
to
thank
you,
councilmember
crawl,
you're,
absolutely
right.
You
know
that
that
there
is
a
timeline
in
which
to
get
this
through.
Otherwise,
we'll
have
to
go
our
sopek
we'll
have
to
go
back
to
aep
and
renegotiate
a
price,
and
it
could
actually
go
up
to
where
this
could
increase.
H
I
want
to
point
out
if
you
look
at
what
was
provided
to
you
by
mr
roberts
through
sopak,
that
the
12
month,
you
know,
is
.047
yada
yada
24
months
is.
H
0.0455
36
months
it
goes
down
slightly
to
45
10
and
then
increases
yet
again
slightly
under
the
48
months.
H
The
the
reason,
as
mr
roberts
was
explaining
you
know
the
the
reason
for
the
two
months
is
that
what
we
have
seen
with
sopek
as
well
is
within
nopec,
which
is
the
northeast
public
energy
council.
Is
that
once
you
start
getting
outside
that
two-year
window,
there's
a
lot
of
there's.
There
is
the
potential
for
there
to
be
a
significant
drop
in
pricing,
and
now
you
find
yourself
higher
than
the
price
to
compare.
H
The
other
could
hold
true
as
well,
so
that
two-year
window
gives
the
city
enough
time
to
to
go
and
have
sope
renegotiate
or
get
reprice
what
happens
in
that
24
month
window.
So
it
allows
for
a
lot
more
flexibility
in
case.
There
are
large
swings
over
time
in
that
pricing
to
where
we're
not
locked
in
without
the
ability
within
that
two-year
sp
span
of
time
or
within
that
two-year
contract
to
to
be
able
to
adapt
and
re-uh
re-price
our
energy
costs.
H
So
it's
a
a
pretty
well
established
practice
within
the
aggregation
world,
whether
it's
electric
or
gas,
and
would
encourage
council
to
go
with
the
recommended.
Sopek
pricing
of
the
24
month
rate
and
again,
I'm
highly
in
support
of
the
the
two
dollar
match
that
way
when
it
comes
to
the
carbon
fee,
we're
we're
matching
what
the
citizens
have
agreed
to
pay
into
the
solar
projects.
I
believe
that
there
I
won't
speak
for
the
county
I'll.
Let
matthew
roberts
speak
that
if
he
chooses
to
for
their
within
city
accounts,.
M
Thank
you
mayor.
Yes,
member
fall.
B
Thank
you.
We've
we've
been
doing
business
with
snowpack
sopak,
sorry
for
a
number
of
years,
and
people
of
I
have
not
gotten
any
complaints
about
it
and
people
love
the
fact
that
we're
walking
the
walk
with
our
feet
and
now
this
the
city's
walking
the
walk,
and
you
know
a
lot
of
people
like
at
conferences
and
stuff.
They
know
about
us
because
of
the
fee
and
that's
cool,
that's
leadership
from
our
from
the
city
and
we're
we're
seen
for
it.
B
H
M
I
will
reiterate
that
the
plan
is
to
bring
this
forward
next
week
under
suspension,
so
at
the
first
reading
comments
now.
Okay,
thank
you
very
much,
mr
roberts.
We
appreciate
your
time.
We
appreciate
sopak
and
president
nicely
that
closes
finance
and
personnel.
Thank
you.
Q
O
O
And
that
that
was
thirty,
six
thousand
two
hundred
eight
dollars
for
purchase
of
these
extrication
tools
and
they
have
had
the
opportunity
to
trade,
those
extrication
tools
for
better
extrication
tools
and
so
at
no
additional
cost
to
the
city
they're,
getting
tools
that,
according
to
our
fire
chief
rimer,
he
he
said
they
are
faster,
more
durable
and
cheaper
maintenance,
better
tools.
So
it
seems
like
a
great
deal
for
the
city
and
we
just
will
need
to
actually
approve
the
disposition
of
the
tools
that
were
traded
in
for
the
faster
better
tools.
O
P
O
O
You
I
said:
okay,
that
works
out
well
for
the
city.
So
yes,
mayor,
patterson,.
H
H
They
were
having
problems
with
some
of
those
tools
to
where
they
weren't
functioning
optimally,
and
so
that's
probably
part
of
this
as
well-
to
to
trade
these
in
at
no
extra
cost
for
better
chance.
E
I'm
trying
to
for
some
reason
it's
just
not
coming
up
on
the
camera.
Have
the
tools
already
been
traded.
O
I'm
not
sure
about
the
timeline.
I
just
know
the
timeline
of
when
the
the
originals
were
purchased
but
but
I
don't
know.
E
E
O
Yes
and
chief
reimer
must
be
watching,
because
I
just
got
a
text
that
says
yes,
so,
okay.