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A
Sun
City
Planning
Commission
for
January
5th.
This
says
six
five
on
it,
but
it's
six
206
and
it's
232
and
we
have
a
quorum
present.
There
are
four
of
us.
Wanky
is
not
here.
Today
we
take
sworn
testimony.
So
if
you
are
going
to
same
thing,
we
did
please
sit
down
and
write
down.
Do
you
affirm
that
whatever
you
say
will
be
the
truth?
You
can
swear
it
to
if
you
want
to
okay,
so
okay
and
they're
passing
a
paper
around
here.
Have
you
marked
it?
If
you
want
to
speak
well,
I
didn't
I
was.
A
C
Good
afternoon,
thank
you
for
seeing
us
again.
I'm
Rick
Kirk
with
Edwards
communities
in
Columbus
Bryan
Pearson,
is
here
with
me-
is
our
land
planner
from
the
education
Columbus.
We
are
here
for
a
preliminary
development
plan.
Today
we
have
been
before
you
a
couple
of
times
and
have
had
numerous
meetings
with
staff
in
an
effort
to
make
a
presentation
today
and
I'd
like
to
go
through.
If
I
could
some
of
the
details
of
our
proposal,
we
have
a
project
that
here
all
along
Stimson
and
in
Palmer.
C
C
We
will
have
community
facilities
that
will
be
for
our
residents
that
will
include
a
fitness
center,
a
theater,
a
business
center,
a
social
room
and
landscaping
that
has
outdoor
spaces,
including
grills.
We
are
for
our
residents.
Our
units
are
fully
furnished
include
furnishings
for
a
living
room,
dining
room,
kitchen
appliances
for
a
size,
washer/dryer,
high-speed
Internet
access,
private
bedrooms,
private
baths,
individual
heating
units
and
thermostats.
C
We
have
done
a
little
formula
where
we
believe
that
every
one
hundred
student
increase
in
enrollment
that
university
has
would
equate
to
about
25
single-family
conversions.
That's
based
upon
four
students
per
house,
an
average
enrollment
increase
of
three
hundred
students
would
equate
to
75
conversions
per
year
if
options
aren't
provided
to
keep
up
with
this
demand.
We
think
this
is
a
very
important
component
for
you
folks
here,
and
we
have
focused
upon
that.
C
We
think
this
is
a
logical
site
for
this
type
of
development.
The
comprehensive
plan
is
recommended,
a
a
new
high
for
high-density
district
area
density.
We
believe,
is
a
good
thing
if
it's
done
properly,
it
would
maximize,
in
this
particular
case,
the
utilization
of
the
area
and
containments
of
residents.
It's
essential
for
urban
design
and
pedestrian
oriented
Street
scapes,
which
is
our
focus
to
try
and
create
a
pedestrian
link
to
not
the
university
with
the
activities
that
are
nearby.
C
It
is
necessary
for
a
successful
development,
and
it
allows
a
group
like
us
to
come
in
and
provide
an
extra
level
of
quality
and
detail
that
that
will
be
a
good
addition
to
this
community.
The
North
Street
neighborhood
will
continue
to
act
as
a
buffer
and
transition
between
high
University
and
the
Near
East
Side
in
Mill
Street
neighborhood
is
almost
if
not
all
student
rentals
now
will
not
likely
change.
C
C
Redevelopment
along
the
Stimson
corridor,
which
will
be
a
continuation
of
something
that
you
folks
have
discussed
and
would
like
to
get
going
here
in
town,
we
are
going
to
revitalize
the
neglected
site.
The
site
is
obviously
there
with
her
former
IgA
the
demand
for
a
neighborhood
grocer
like
that
is
not
not
there
anymore.
You
have
the
old,
landmark
site
and,
and
the
site
of
our
parking
garage
was
an
old
gas
facility
and
our
ability
to
come
in
here
and
develop
this
site
will
renovate
those
areas
you
have
vacant
retail.
C
Currently
you
have
covered
edge
to
edge
with
impervious
service.
You
either
have
asphalt
or
buildings.
We
will
actually
come
in
and
provide
more
green
space
than
you
have.
It's
currently
surrounded
with
it.
Six
foot
one
parcel
is
with
a
6-foot
chain
link
fence,
which
is
not
typically
one
you
want
to
do
to
keep
pedestrian
access
among
your
neighbors
will,
we
believe,
will
drastically
improve
the
Stimson
Avenue
streetscape.
Well,
this
will
act
as
a
gateway
to
and
from
the
Stimson
corridor
will
orient
our
architecture
and
pedestrian
walks
towards
Stimson,
Avenue
and.
C
We
will
solve
environmental
concerns,
satisfied
to
the
satisfaction
of
the
EPA.
We
have
had
extensive
service
experience
in
brownfield
and
soil
remediation
Xand.
We
will
eliminate
an
existing
list
that
is
on
the
site.
Currently
we're
going
to
you
to
utilize
urban
design
or
pedestrian
bike.
Around
designs,
90%
of
the
residents
destinations,
are
lifted
in
a
three
to
ten
minute.
Walk
the
site
of
design
is
campus-like
with
walking
bike
paths
and
bike.
Racks,
automobile
automobile
use
and
convenience
is
limited
to
public
streets
surrounding
the
project
and
associated
on
all
street
parking
spaces.
C
C
The
garage
parking
is
in
the
location
will
promote
walking
rather
than
driving.
The
building
is
addressed.
The
speech
buildings
are
pulled
up
to
the
street
with
zero
setbacks,
which
is
similar
to
the
streetscape.
You
have
long
so
Court
Street
will
have
a
storefront
look
into
our
facade
along
the
Stimson.
C
This
portion
of
the
building
will
house
similar
uses
to
nearby
retail
emphasis,
is
placed
on
the
architectural
massing
and
proportion
will
minimize
our
monotonous
views
of
long
flat
facade
with
projections
of
our
buildings
and
those
things
the
safety
benefits.
We
we
believe
that
will
minimize
the
need
for
police
and
fire
department
intervention
because
of
our
on-site
management.
C
We
have
resident
and
full-service
maintenance.
We
have
resident
off-duty
police
officers,
we
will
have
hired
surveillance
residents
that
act
as
a
first
level
of
community
policing.
We
have
modern
alarm
monitoring
service
systems,
sprinkler
systems
that
assist
the
fire
department.
We
have
met
several
times
with
the
fire
chief
and
gone
over
our
design
and
made
modifications
which
we'll
show
you
today
that
reflect
his
needs.
C
We
have
creative
leaf
structures
and
penalties
that
keep
individuals
responsible
for
their
lifestyles.
We
enforce
a
code
of
conduct
that
is
agreed
to
in
the
lease
and
when
we
have
folks
that
are
not
responsible,
we
evict.
We
have
a
lot
of
problems,
site
lighting
escort
service
to
and
from
campus,
when
needed.
Our
steps
that
are
taken
in
our
management
of
this
facility
to
ensure
a
safe
learning
environment.
C
C
Efforts
had
been
made
to
minimize
the
odds
of
on-site
vandalism.
We
have
one
contact
our
location
for
our
dumpsters.
Someone
had
mentioned
to
me
in
a
meeting
about
dumpster
fires.
We
have
a
compactor,
we
have
very
few
porches
or
you
could
have
couches
or
things
like
that.
We
will
have
ample
site
lighting,
we'll
have
some
limited
use
of
security
cameras
and
automobiles
will
be
consolidated
in
the
safe
and
lit
garage.
C
This
is
the
site
plan
that
we've
shown
you
before.
We
modified
it.
Some
based
upon
our
previous
leaders,
most
of
the
modifications
in
discussions
with
the
fire
department,
where
we
now
have
eliminated
a
piece
of
suggestion
and
now
have
the
ability
for
a
fire
truck
to
go
all
the
way
through
the
site
here,
access
here
and
then
also
instant.
C
This
is
a
plan
that
shows
the
street
level
view
of
a
couple
of
views
here
that
show
our
our
parking
structure.
It
is
six
levels
above
ground.
This
is
almost
dim
Sun
Avenue,
and
this
is
what
we
would
see
if
we're
in
a
car
or
actually
standing
out
on
Stimpson.
We
think
that
you
know
the
concern
has
been
an
obvious
concern
is
about
how
the
parking
structure
will
work
within
the
community
and
I
think
because
of
its
location
set
back
off.
It
actually
seems
to
this
presentation,
be,
we
think,
very
reasonable.
C
C
C
These
are
since
our
last
meeting
we
have
begun
to
had
civil
engineering
and
grading
women
area
grading
issues
that
start
to
look
at
how
our
courtyards
might
look
I've
shown,
you
know,
passed
some
review
of
the
visual
amenities
very
important
for
a
successful
community.
We
we
see
that
this
Stimpson
Avenue
will
have
hard
escape,
and
this
will
be
our
community
facility
and
leasing
an
office,
but
the
pedestrian
traffic,
and
these
courtyards
will
be
friendly
focal
points
that
make
it
garden
lighter.
C
This
is
another
of
another
of
you
will
have
a
bit
of
a
drop-off
area
here
through
there,
so
that
doesn't
affect
the
traffic.
Here
and
again,
we
have
this
very
pedestrian
look
along
here
that
it
will
have
street
lights
or
home
lights,
so
this
will
be
review
would
be
like
you're
walking
through
both
houses
and
in
this
area.
D
D
B
C
C
B
C
C
D
C
D
Question
because
there
are
three
different
interlining
zones
on
the
site
right
now
we
have
the
manufacturing
yeah
the
b3,
and
we
also
have
our
three.
So
we
have
some
height
variances
that
we're
gonna
need
I.
Think
with
that
for
story,
I
think
the
are
three
limited:
that
height
to
a
three
and
a
half
story
or
something
35
feet
are
three
stories,
but
then
the
b3
and
the
M
Steve
might
be
able
to
help
with
that
seems
like
they
might
have
less
limitations
on
height
and
in
building
footprints
to
site
square
footage.
B
As
in
maybe
to
clean
it
up,
some
I
mean
one
of
the
things
that
the
preliminary
thing
is.
Is
there
any
proposed
variances
well
variances,
but
has
also
have
changes
in
zoning
district.
There's
also
one
of
the
questions
there,
because
we
do
have
three
different
zones
here.
It
makes
it
cumbersome
for
understanding
and
in
design
to
say,
okay.
D
I
do
think
it
could
have
a
rezoning
that
goes
along
with
this
process.
I
I
have
a
hard
time
understanding
the
PUD
designation
in
itself,
because
it
is
in
the
subdivision
regulations
and
it's
not
a
zoning
district
by
itself
which
we've
seen
in
the
past,
but
if
we
did
rezone
it
with
an
r3
underlying
district,
really
the
only
variances.
We
have
some
height
issues.
D
D
B
Depends
upon
how
to
calculate
your
parking
because,
to
a
certain
extent,
your
parking
also
yeah
you've
got
the
bedrooms
which
go
into
it,
but
from
a
practicality
standpoint
you
have
people
that
work
there.
I'll
certain
run
the
office
maintenance
people.
You
can't
have
165
units
without
probably
having
on-site
maintenance
pretty
much
every
day.
So
there's
going
to
be
a
some
number
of
employees
and
you
say:
there's
a
club
facility
there.
B
So
how
do
you
count
that
he's
over
in
DC
managers
and
I
just
want
to
get
an
idea
of
what
variance
has
been
and
at
least
raised
the
specter
with
the
Commission
at
least
that
we
may
want
to
consider
a
zoning
designation
change
may
be
contingent.
I
really
need
to
get
rid
of
the
manufacturing
zones.
I
mean
quite
honestly,
it's
and.
D
B
A
A
A
C
C
A
I
have
a
problem
with
it,
because
parking
is
very
difficult
in
Stimpson
and
you
keep
talking
about
a
streetscape
and
I,
don't
know
where
the
streetscape
is
coming
from,
but
Simpson
Avenue
does
not
does
not
lend
itself
to
streetscape.
In
my
feeling
of
all
this
little
pedestrian,
walkway
and
bike
paths
of
little
tables
and
things
out,
it's
an
actual
feeder
to
a
major
bypass
and
of
the
city
into
highways
and
parking
has
never
really
on
that
upper
end.
They've,
never
really
parked
on
that
upper
end
of
Stimson.
A
H
H
So
that's
that's
one
of
my
concerns
about
it.
Another
concern
is,
you
will
have
some
handicap
accessible
apartments
right
who
says
last
time
we
talked
about
this
yes
and
they
need
to
have
accessible
parking.
They
can't
you
can't
rely
on
somebody
who
is
handicapped
and
has
an
accessible
apartment,
carrying
the
groceries
over
from
the.
F
H
Garage
or
even
parking
in
the
parking
garage
and
being
able
to
walk
over
because
presumably
they
could
be
in
a
wheelchair
or
on
crutches
or
whatever.
Oh,
so,
it
seems
to
me
that
if
you
haven't
already
decided
where
the
handicapped
apartments
will
be,
you
need
to
do
that
and
you
need
to
provide
basically
front
door
parking
for
them.
Would.
H
C
C
It
may
not
illustrate
that,
but
in
fact
what
you'll
be
able
to
do
is
to
go
from
the
from
the
public
space
and
you'll
be
able
to
go
on
a
wheelchair
into
your
first
floor
unit.
Without
any
steps
or
those
kinds
of
things,
that's
a
requirement,
and
we
have
been
investigating
that
design
and
Ryan's
been
part
of
our
grading.
Analysis
has
been
to
deal
with
those
kinds
of
things
because
up
at
the
corner
of
Stimson.
C
H
C
A
few
technical
things,
what
it
means
is
that,
for
example,
if
you
were
in
a
wheelchair,
you
would
be
able
to
have
access
into
our
unit
to
have
2
foot
10
wide
doors.
You'll
have
5
foot
turning
radiuses,
and
so
your
ability
one's
ability
to
get
in
and
out
of
the
unit
light
switches
that
are
a
certain
height
from
the
floor
and
those
kind
of
things.
What
you
don't
have
our
fully
handicapped
countertops,
where
you
have
no
cabinets,
for
example,
and
can
wheel
underneath
those
those
are
not
required
by
federal
law
and
it's.
C
It
is
what
we
call
adaptable,
which
means
that
if
a
resident
were
to
come
in
and
to
want
that
kind
of
counter
topic
arrangement,
for
example,
then
federal
law
provides
that
the
property
owner
could
do
that
at
the
expense
of
the
resident.
And
then,
when
the
resident
would
leave.
They
would
have
to
then
reimburse
us
for
those
costs.
So
handicap
adapter
was
meaning
that
certain
things
exist
that
are
structural,
allow,
the
spaces
and
the
sizes
and
the
ramps
and
those
kind
of
things.
H
C
Bathrooms
will
have
five-foot
turning
radiuses
but,
for
example,
a
fully
handicapped
shower
would
have
a
grade
level
when
wheelchair
would
have
a
grade
level
stoop
so
that
your
your
shower
base
actually
meets
the
the
floor.
So
that's
that's
not
a
requirement.
The
other
thing
that
we
commonly
go
over
is
we
we
all
think
of.
C
Well,
sometimes
we
think
of
handicapped
folks
as
people
in
wheelchairs,
but
there
really
are
many
different
kinds:
there's
a
visual
handicap,
so
the
stairs
that
we
have
have
a
certain
type
of
riser
design
that
allows
someone
if
they're
visually
impaired,
to
have
be
able
to
walk
up
the
stairs
and
they
have
toe
kicks
and
things
like
that,
so
levered
doors
and
door
handles.
So
those
are
a
handful
of
things,
but
we
are
I'm
somewhat
versed
in
it,
but
our
architect
and
Ryan
is
well
versed
in
it
and
we'll
meet
all
those
requirements
we've
had.
C
We
I
think
I
mentioned
before
we
we
managed
and
on
several
thousand
apartments
in
and
in
student
housing
residents
in
different
communities,
and
we
have
had
residents
that
had
special
assistance
and
in
the
past
we've
been,
we
haven't
torn
out
any
cabinets.
We
wrote
special
facilities
that
folks
might
want,
and
it
really
hasn't
been
a
huge
demand,
and
so
we
we
try
and
help
bar
our
residents
out
so
that
they're
comfortable
and
so
we've
been
successful.
That
way
well,.
H
F
H
C
H
F
H
I
H
D
Think
the
thought
was
the
head
of
a
certainly
for
the
a
DA,
the
federal
requirements.
We
have
a
certain
percentage
of
our
parking
spaces
need
to
be
a
VA
accessible,
anyways,
a
certain
percentage
would
be
in
the
garage
and
there
would
be
some
located
around
the
site.
The
plan
was
available
in
street
parallel
type
parking
spaces
that
you
could
use
as
a
banner.
D
F
D
H
A
A
C
A
B
D
B
Units
I
guess
they
will
have
to
go
out
for
for
some
groceries.
Some
different
things
I
mean
there's
going
to
be
a
flow
of
traffic
in.
To
put
it
all
on
the
hawking.
Street
is
a
concern
to
me
because
it
was
never
designed
for
that
many
vehicles
and
I
think.
That's
probably
why
part
of
the
gate
is.
There
is
to
keep
people
from
the
post
office
and
their
employees
from
going
out
that
way
as
much
as
any
as
much
as
people
cutting
through
their
parking
lot
to
get
get
to
somewhere
else
and
I.
B
Don't
have
a
solution
for
that,
but
I
mean
I
would
like
to
see
at
least
some
attempts
be
made
with
adjacent
property
owners
or
whomever
to
try
to
figure
an
alternative
way.
There's
one
vehicle
or
accident
on
Hocking,
Street
and
500.
Plus
cars
are
trapped
until
it
gets
cleared
up
and
let
alone
move
in
week
for
a
few
days.
It's
it's
problematic
in
my
mind,
I,
don't
you
know,
I
think
that
you're
at
preliminary
approval,
but
I
think
that
we
need
to
really
look
at
what
are
our
options
there?
We.
H
J
H
K
C
So
that
we
can
then
monitor
that
the
people
who
are
purchasing
the
renting
the
unit's
then
and
then
have
the
the
parking
space
with
them
will
then
be
using
it.
I
was
asked.
It
was
a
good
question
a
few
weeks
ago
about
how
we
monitor
that
we
actually
had
hang
tags.
Have
we
used
properties,
several
properties,
this
past
fall
and
found
that,
in
short
order,
some
hang
tags
were
going
into
different
vehicles.
C
The
Stimson
Avenue
parking
by
the
way-
that's
that's
something
he
can
also
investigate
week.
We
thought
it
was
and
still
believe
that
it's
a
good
design,
it's
consistent
with
what
what
we
see
on
Court,
Street
and
I
think
that
what
I
would
offer
to
do
is
to
actually
go
out
there
and
get
some
dimensions
and
and
look
at
the
space
we
have
and
also
investigate
the
the
traffic
there
and
try
and
present
that
to
you
in
terms
of
whether
it's
you
know
risk
or
not.
H
One
of
the
other
things
that's
in
the
comprehensive
plan
is
a
strong
encouragement
day
of
sidewalks
on
both
sides
of
streets,
and
this
with
a
one
as
busy
as
this
one
is.
We
need
to
include
the
width
of
the
sidewalk
there
to
be
sure
that,
even
if
you
had
parking
along
here
that
you'd
have
a
sidewalk.
D
Really
we're
using
the
parallel
parking
we
were
hoping
using
for
a
parking
party
development,
but
also
the
parallel
parking
right.
Now
we
have
businesses
at
Plaza
I'm
from
the
building,
so
it'd
be
hard
to
scape
from
the
building
to
the
curb,
then
there's
a
sidewalk.
You
know
parallel
parking,
sidewalk
green
space
building.
D
The
parallel
parking
actually
connects
as
a
traffic
calming
device.
I,
don't
know
when
you're
driving
down
a
road
with
parallel
parking,
you're
a
little
bit
more
cautious,
because
you're
looking
for
people
are
pulling
it
out,
you're
looking
for
a
door
to
swing
else,
but
it
also
provides
a
little
bit
of
a
buffer
to
you,
people
walking
on
the
sidewalk.
D
D
D
E
B
Concern
I
know
that
we've
brought
up
staff-level
was
there's
a
storm
drainage
through
that
area
coming
down
through
that
alley
from
come
across
from
firm,
Street
and
then
comes
down
and
goes
through
there,
and
we
just
have
to
be
aware
of
that.
As
this,
the
planning
goes
on
to
make
sure
we
have
adequate
access
or,
if
there's
weak
in
certain
areas,
we
need
to
strengthen
it
because
that's
an
old
storm
drain.
Why
I
think
parts
of
it
are
still
brick.
C
Right,
we
have
had
our
engineer.
Burton
bull
is
not
here,
but
we've
had
several
discussions
with
their
staff.
We've
actually
been
out
and
surveyed
the
section
of
the
storm
and
have
had
discussions
about
designs,
and
so
we
are
into
that
process
and
understand
the
existing
situation,
and
we
will
address
it
according
to
your
needs.
J
One
thing
that
I
did
want
to
mention
was
the
discussion
earlier
on
about
zoning
versus
PUD
regulations.
In
times
past,
the
regulations
were
contained
in
the
zoning
code
for
Planned
Unit
development
sand
were
not
included
in
the
subdivision
regulations
a
few
years
ago.
They
were
transferred
and
completely
eliminated
from
the
zoning
code
placed
in
the
subdivision
regulations.
A
PUD
by
definition,
is
something
that's
reviewed
under
more
flexible
standards.
That's
the
definition,
and
so
it
was
a
little
flexibility
in
that
original
change.
J
J
Recent
amendment,
though,
to
the
PUD
regulations,
says
that
if
there
is
a
conflict
between
the
zoning
code
and
the
PUD
regs,
the
more
restrictive
shall
apply.
So
essentially,
then,
what
we've
done
is
thrown
everything
back.
That's
a
review
under
the
zoning
code
and
that's
what
creates
the
complications
with
the
underlying
zoning
districts,
short
of
a
rezoning
of
the
entire
area,
there's
a
laundry
list
of
variances
that
would
be
required
unless
there
was
a
rezoning
if
it
was
rezone
to
r3
that
would
it
wouldn't
eliminate
every
variance
it
was
required,
but
it
wouldn't
reduce
that
number.
J
J
It
does
create
a
problem
with
residential
in
a
manufacturing
zone.
It
creates
problems
with
heights
of
buildings.
Another
associated
issue,
then,
would
be
the
property
that
is
not
contiguous
to
the
project
to
the
landmark
and
Bob's
IgA
site.
How
do
you
handle
the
essentially
the
detached
area
or
non
contiguous
area
where
the
parking
garage
is
located?
J
Would
that
come
under
the
purview
of
the
Board
of
Zoning
Appeals
because
it
is
separate
or
can
it
be
considered
with
the
Planned
Unit
development,
because
the
definition
of
PUD
is
a
tract
of
land
seems
to
be
stated
in
the
singular
or
an
area
of
land?
That's
another
part
of
that
might
be
a
little
more
flexible
way
to
look
at
it.
You
know
as
an
area
several
different
sites,
or
is
it
one
contiguous
site?
J
That's
another
question
that
I
have
posed
to
the
law
director
because
it
could
be
that
he
might
say
if
the
more
restrictive
applies
like
the
language
seems
to
say,
and
you
would
consider
that
not
non-contiguous
property
to
not
be
part
of
the
Planned
Unit
development.
Then
all
the
parking
review
goes
before
design
Appeals.
J
That's
the
question
yet
to
be
answered.
Another
thing
you
talked
about
on
street
parking.
There
has
never
been
an
inclusion
of
parking
on
public
areas
to
be
included
with
a
project
unless
there
was
some
exception.
If
you
remember
Westfield
place,
there
are
some
pocket
parking
areas
on
the
right
away
that
the
Commission
reviewed
and
approved.
J
So
it's
not
something.
That's
not
been
reviewed
before
it's
just
something
that
normally
has
a
little
additional
information
required
and
I
think
it
could
relate
to
miss
Cohen
to
where
you
talked
about
handicapped
parking,
because
you
know
those
those
spaces.
If
you
wanted
something
closer
could
be
accommodated
actually
in
the
public
right-of-way.
There's
always
the
opportunity
for
the
service
Safety
Director
to
attached
handicapped
parking
designation
to
some
spots
on
the
street
course.
Those
are
first-come.
First-Serve.
You
have
a
hang
tag.
J
J
Again,
I
have
that
discussion
with
mr.
with
mr.
Pearson
about
this
and
with
the
law
director.
So
the
answers,
those
questions
are
still
communists.
I
had
made
a
long
list
of
all
the
variances
that
would
be
required
if
you
looked
at
each
zone
underlying
zone
and
the
regulations
that
apply
to
that
so
a
way
to
clean
it
up
and
a
way
to
possibly
to
help
in
the
future,
or
you
can
do
future
planning
even
past
this
project
by
redesignating
that
underlying
zone,
one
that
seems
more
compatible
with
the
area
right
off.
J
The
top
of
my
head
are
three
would
seem
a
little
more
compatible
for
the
majority
of
the
property,
except
that
part
that
faces
on
Stimpson
Avenue.
But
again,
that's
another
issue.
Another
discussion
point
how
you'd
like
to
handle
that
it
could
be
run
through
the
state
process
in
climbing
this
could
all
happened.
A
F
F
J
A
J
F
H
J
J
H
H
F
B
A
L
L
Enough
for
about
half
of
the
people
here,
but
not
for
everyone
in
reviewing
this
project,
I
came
into
the
conference
room
I
looked
through
the
plans
in
advance
in
general.
My
first
comment
here
is
that
I
believe
this
development
should
have
one
parking
space
for
every
bedroom.
This
is
required
the
city
code.
It
is
not
the
case,
for
example,
that
a
property
owner
with
a
duplex
could
propose
five
parking
spaces
for
a
six
bedroom
house,
because
well
maybe
only
five
of
the
people
will
have
cars.
I
feel
this
way
for
several
reasons.
L
L
Visiting
visitors
and
relatives
would
need
a
place
to
park,
and
parking
needs,
of
course,
could
vary
from
year
to
year.
I,
don't
think
in
addition,
that
it
is
a
bad
thing
if
we
ultimately
end
up
with
more
parking
spaces
than
we
have
need
for
with
the
residents.
We
have
a
crying
need
for
parking
in
town.
Anyone
who
lives
here
can
tell
you
that
a
lot
of
the
need
that
we
currently
have
for
parking
has
been
created
by
past
conversion
of
rental
properties
or
family
houses
to
rental
properties.
L
If
it
is
the
case
in
the
future
that
there's
an
extra
50
spaces
that
are
going
on
used,
I,
don't
think
any
reasonable
person
would
say
these
spaces
should
always
have
to
set
idle.
Perhaps
the
the
developer,
the
managers
of
the
property
could
then
rent
out
some
of
the
parking
spaces
to
neighboring
properties.
So
this
would
not
represent
a
deadweight
loss
to
the
developer.
L
In
general,
I
appreciate
many
of
the
things
the
developers
are
attempting
to
do
with
this
project.
I
believe
that
the
net
effect
of
this
development
will
be
to
increase
reliance
on
parking
citywide,
regardless
of
whether
the
former
grocery
store
was
economically
viable
or
not
and
I
believe
it
was
economically
viable.
It
was
part
of
a
chain
of
three
grocery
stores:
three
grocery
stores.
It
was
always
the
busiest
perhaps
that
is
not
the
economically
best
and
highest
use
for
this
site,
but
asthma
as
an
entity
that
store
was
profitable.
As
that
store
goes
away.
L
Students
who,
in
the
past
were
able
to
is
this
without
cars,
will
now
need
cars,
and
so
elsewhere
in
town
and
in
that
same
neighborhood
residents
of
where
residences,
where
perhaps
two
out
of
three
students
had
cars,
will
now
be
going
to
three
out
of
three
students
having
cars.
This
is
already
happening
because
Bob's
IgA
has
not
been
in
business
for
the
last
better
part
of
a
year.
L
L
I
was
looking
at
the
in
in
the
conference.
Room
I
was
looking
at
the
scale
diagrams
of
the
site
and
I
was
taking
a
ruler
and
going
through
and
measuring,
and
between
the
the
different
buildings
on
the
now
I
may
have
been
looking
at
older
copies
of
your
proposal,
but
but
in
the
in
the
drawings,
I
was
looking
at.
L
L
In
general,
I
favor
high-density
projects,
I'm
aware
of
the
developers
argument
that
high
density,
higher
density,
housing
Athens
is
not
getting
any
bigger.
Higher
density
projects
can
lead
to
a
lessening
of
the
demand.
The
current
economic
demand
to
convert
family
occupied
houses
into
student,
rentals,
and-
and
so
there
were
some
things
about
this-
that
I
see
is
very
positive
for
the
city.
L
Should
we
have
300
parking
spaces
and
300
bedrooms
and
as
we
change
the
number
of
bedrooms,
how
would
that
impact
the
overall
proposal?
That
is
unclear
to
mean
it's
sufficiently
unclear
to
me
that
I
believe
that
the
proposal
needs
to
be
reworked
and
resubmitted.
I
appreciate
your
time.
I.
Thank
you
for
listening
to
me.
M
My
name
is
Juncker
Nancy
and
I'm,
a
coach
of
the
Westside
Neighborhood
Association,
although
I'm
not
necessarily
representing
the
Neighborhood
Association
I,
will
say
that
we
do
have
a
large
project
down
in
our
area
and
I
believe
one
bedroom,
one
parking
spot
was
created
because
of
that
very
project
and
the
concerns
that
we
had
with
that.
Since
this
development,
some
of
our
concerns
have
been
neutralized.
All
other
ones
have
surfaced,
so
I
feel
like
I,
have
a
little
experience
with
this
I
have
some
statistics
that
I've
pulled
from
the
plans.
M
M
M
But
what
I'd
like
to
discuss
are
three
issues
that
were
presented
in
the
proposed
plans.
It
but
I
feel
are
not
in
the
best
interest
of
the
Athens
environment
and
its
residence,
and
those
issues
are
density,
parking
and
automobile
usage
number
one
in
comparing
the
density
of
the
proposed
Athens
development.
What
was
referred
to
as
the
landmark
collegiate
residence
with
three
other
student
residency
sites
developed
by
the
same
firm,
becomes
apparent
that
the
Athens
project
has
the
highest
density
factor
from
the
information
provided
in
in
the
age
groups.
M
Proposal
I
drew
a
comparison
table
of
acreage
units
and
units
per
acre,
each
of
the
three
developed
projects
and
and
then
the
edge
Athens
proposed
project.
Okay,
so
that
was
the
project
developed.
The
University
of
Kentucky
won
at
the
University
of
Toledo
won
at
Eastern,
Michigan
University
in
Michigan,
and
then
the
Ohio
project.
So
in
terms
of
acreage
university
in
Kentucky,
they
have
thirteen
hundred
point,
five
acres,
332
units
and
twenty
four
point:
six
units
per
acre
äj--.
If
I
could
read
all
of
this
but
I.
M
Think
if
you
look
at
the
figures,
you
see
that
under
the
circumstances,
what
we
have
here
is
an
incredible
amount
of
density
in
this
project
in
Athens,
as
though
they've
just
like
squeezed
in
as
many
students
as
they
could
squeeze
in
and
I
know
that
they
have
this
plan
to
supervise
and
contain
any
unrolling
activity.
But
you
know
to
approve
that,
in
a
situation
where
you
have
only
twenty
three
point,
eight
units
per
acre,
which
is
in
Eastern
Michigan
as
opposed
what
we're
gonna
have
in
Athens,
which
is
thirty
seven
units
per
acre.
M
The
other
interesting
point
in
terms
of
comparing
the
four
projects
was,
the
Athens
development
will
be
comprised
of
three
and
four-bedroom
units
only,
and
that
is
twenty
four
percent
or
thirty
nine
units
will
contain
three
three
bedrooms,
but
76
percent
or
126
units
are
containing
for
better.
The
other
three
student
residency
projects
includes
one
two
bedroom
units
along
with
three
and
four.
M
You
know
it's
been
an
eyesore
for
a
year
plus,
but
not
with
the
development
that
will
purposely
pack
students
into
an
area
of
the
city
that
is
already
packed
with
students
and
an
area
of
the
city
that
has
in
the
past
few
years
had
several
violent
incidents.
So
I
think
we
really
need
to
consider
that
number
two,
the
parking
garage
I,
am
totally
opposed
to
a
parking
garage
that
is
higher
than
three
point.
M
Five
storey
limit,
I'm
opposed
to
the
prospects
of
such
a
large
structure,
taking
over
the
visual
landscape
of
not
only
Stinson
Avenue,
but
the
surrounding
neighborhoods.
Remember
we're
talking
the
east
side,
which
is
a
flat
plain,
I
love
on
mild
street
wearing
a
hill.
This
is
immaterial
to
me
up
there,
but
in
the
east,
ed
neighborhoods,
it's
not
in
material.
M
Such
a
structure
will
not
provide
for,
and
I
quote
from
the
code,
City
Code,
integrated
and
harmonious
design
of
buildings,
as
required
under
Section
two
3.06
0.03,
which
is
part
of
the
code
that
that
speaks
to
the
HafenCity,
Planning
Commission
and
number
three.
The
developer
claims
that
they
will
minimize
the
use
of
the
importance
of
the
automobile,
but
by
not
reestablishing
a
shopping
area,
particularly
a
Wells.
Well
well-stocked
grocery
store
nearer
adjacent
to
this
residency.
This
claim
is
narrowly
an
empty
claim
because
we
all
know
to
get
give
State
Street.
M
M
I
did
have
a
few
recommendations
and
I
guess
my
first
one
would
be
to
scale
the
development
down
and
I
think
when
you
look
at
the
density
and
the
comparison
and
the
sizes
of
the
other
projects
have
done
and
the
size
of
this
project
that
a
scale
down
project
would
be
more
in
keeping
with
what
the
developer
has
done
in
the
past
incorporate,
possibly
incorporating
parking
into
the
lower
level
of
the
apartment.
Buildings.
I
think
that's
something
that's
been
talking
about
in
the
Athens
community.
M
For
a
long
time,
the
new
condominiums
going
over
on
East
AC
are
going
to
corporate
parking
underneath,
let's
see
who
else
said
that
parking
the
apartment
complex
they
put
up
on
East,
8th
Street
at
the
corner
of
each
state,
Morris
or
East,
State
I,
can't
member
the
new
street
but
anyway
say
did
incorporated
parking
underneath
and
and
so
I
think.
That
was
a
good
idea.
Now
I
did
mention
that
they
should
utilize
the
close
Bob
Supermarket
building
for
purposes
of
consumption.
M
M
I
Hi,
my
name's
milk
Greek
I'm
Westside
resident
I
I'd
like
to
just
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
vision
of
the
next
seven
to
ten
years
with
this
proposed
project
and
how
it
could
easily
affect
the
east
side.
Given
the
progression
of
events
over
the
last
15
years
on
that
on
that
area
of
the
city,
we've
had
an
expansion
of
student
housing
into
the
Mill
Street
area
turned
into
what
is
term
rather,
unfortunately,
a
certain
ghetto.
There's
a
constant
concern
about
by
long-term
residents
about
noise,
trash.
I
Traffic
and
the
occasional
and
growing
frequently
riot
or
couch
burning,
this
is
being
caused
because
young
kids
like
to
drink,
get
together
in
crowds
and
they
rebel,
just
as
I
did
and
just
as
most
of
us
in
this
room
probably
did
I
love.
Young
kids.
I
am
I'm
a
stepfather
and
I'm
very
close
to
them.
I've
got
no
problem
with
young
kids
I'm
glad
they're
in
our
community
I'm
concerned
that
if
we
go
ahead
with
this
project
and
let's
let's
talk
about
the
next
seven
to
ten
years,
we
go
ahead
with
this
project.
I
I
You're
being
asked
the
Planning,
Commission
and
Design
Board
and
so
forth
are
being
asked
to
bend
over
backwards
for
a
very
important
project.
That's
going
to
impact
us
for
decades
to
come
and
I
would
advise
you
if
I
could,
with
this
one
statement,
if
you're
willing
to
purchase
a
home
next
to
this
project
and
live
there
and
pass
that
home
run
to
your
children,
then
improve
this
preliminary
Apple
application,
but
if
you're
not
willing
to
purchase
and
live
in
a
home,
consider
how
many
advence
residents
would
be
willing
to
do
that.
N
I'm
Edward
bomb
20
Sunnyside
drive
for
two
weeks
in
December
I
had
the
honor
of
for
the
privilege
of
staying
at
a
housing
estate
in
Hong
Kong.
What
is
sometimes
referred
to
as
the
New
Territories.
If
you
know
anything
about
the
New
Territories
in
Hong,
Kong
is
very
mountainous.
This
very
little
buildable
land
and
as
population
pressures
have
built
up.
The
result
has
been
basically
to
go
up
since
they
cannot
go
out.
Most
of
the
residential
buildings
in
the
area
I
was
staying,
were
35
to
40
stories,
so
rather
rather
large,
rather
thin
rather
tall.
N
The
first
speaker
of
the
public
commenters
commented
that
there
is
no
more
there's
no
growing
of
land
in
Athens
short
of
filling
in
the
river
somehow
and
building
on
that,
which
means
that
one
of
the
population
pressures
in
Athens
has
resulted
in
the
student
population
from
going
out.
The
only
alternative
to
that,
of
course,
is
going
up.
Four
or
five
years
ago,
City
Council
had
suggested
to
the
Planning
Commission.
They
consider
the
Milla
Street
areas,
a
high-density
area,
Planning
Commission
at
that
time
did
not
decide
to
move
on
that
and
we
kept
the
present
one.
N
Two
three
residential
areas:
the
Comprehensive
Plan
now
again
talks
about
a
high
rest,
I
density
area,
and
it
seems
appropriate
that
if
we
are
to
protect
our
neighborhoods
in
any
way,
we'll
have
to
eventually
go
to
a
high
density
area
in
Mill
Street
area.
If
you
do
not
want
to
do
that,
then
this
particular
project
does
not
fit
because
it
requires
high
density,
particularly
the
parking
garage
which
is
six
or
seven
storeys
I'm,
not
too
exactly
how
tall
it
is.
N
But
a
parking
garage
requires
a
high-density
area
which
allows
the
height
of
all
buildings
to
go
up.
Otherwise,
no
matter
where
you
are
it's
going
to
be
sitting
there.
So
if
the
Planning
Commission
begins
to
think
that
maybe
a
high-density
area
and
this
comprehensive
plan
projection
make
sense,
then
this
project
makes
sense.
If
you
decide
that
the
high-density
area
does
not
make
sense
for
Athens,
then
the
project
itself
does
not
make
sense,
and
that
requires
an
leap,
at
least
in
my
thinking.
N
Your
consideration
of
your
long-term
views
over
the
concept
of
a
high-density
area,
one
other
comment-
I-
was
going
to
make
having
been
involved
with
parking
in
the
past.
Is
that
I
think
if
you
allow
parking
on
the
street
to
be
counted
toward
the
parking
requirement,
it
sets
a
very
bad
precedent
or.
N
A
I
think
that
we
were
going
to
have
to
move
on
now.
So
we
should
settle
this
folks
before
I
go
on
everybody
in
the
comments
and
developer,
and
everybody
keeps
talking
about
the
Athens,
comprehensive
plan
and
I.
Don't
know
what
comprehensive
plan
they're
talking
about,
because
the
comprehensive
plan
on
which
we
are
now
operating
is
the
one
that
was
revised
and
what
91
the
comprehensive
plan
that
is
in
the
works.
A
B
O
Good
afternoon
my
name
is
Thomas
Doughty
I
represent
milestone.
Development
certainly
would
like
to
thank
mr.
personally,
the
Planning
Commission,
because
y'all
had
a
nice
holidays.
I'm
here
today
asking
for
lemon
area
plan
approval
on
December
1st.
We
came
before
the
Planning
Commission
with
a
pre-application
meeting
in
at
that
point.
In
time
we
expressed
what
we
had
a
Belleville
and
had
made
available
to
the
Planning
Commission.
The
plan
that
we
are
asking
to
be
approved
at
one
time
was
approved
in
April
of
2004.
O
We
did
have
changes
upon
that
plan
into
the
changes
was
merely
to
take
the
clubhouse
from
Derry
lane
and
move
it
up
to
the
top
of
the
interest
coming
in
from
Richland
Avenue
and
moved
to
residential
buildings,
to
the
dairy
lane
section
where
the
tennis
courts
and
the
clubhouse
was
located
other
than
that
were
I,
think
we'll
about
95
percent
of
ours
on
the
same
quality
house
buying
diagrams
and
plant
development.
Please.
O
The
fans
have
been
fully
engineered
and
it
is
my
understanding
that
is
is
in
compliance
with
all
safety
engineering,
water
runoff
for
the
pre
and
after
construction
periods
for
the
water
retention
engineers
for
the
density,
hillside,
ordinance
and
all
other
codes
and
Athens.
It's
also
my
understanding
that
property
has
been
has
shown
its
ability
be
engineered
under
these
circumstances
and
has
been
basically
a
Greek
leader.
The
person
life
was
with
the
engineering
that,
hence
they
have
received
from
us.
O
We
have
furnished
you
on
November
the
18th,
with
a
complete
set
of
plans
for
the
site
plans,
will
utility
plans,
building,
layouts
the
grading
plans
and
Road
layouts
landscape
plans,
and
let
me
talk
about
the
landscape
plan.
I
was
asked
about
this
at
the
Southside
meetings
and
the
landscape
plans
for
at
one
time,
I,
don't
know
that
they
required
approval
at
the
time,
but
they
were
responded
to
by
mrs.
O
O
O
Since
these
agreement
was
written,
there
were
several
things
happen
with
the
city,
one
being
on
reference
to
the
copper
beech
that
has
been
presented
to
the
city
for
non
construction
and
at
that
time,
that
City
showed
a
desire,
maybe
to
run
a
road
across
the
university
property,
with
a
connector
coming
to
what
we
were
going
to
supply
the
university
with
is
a
road
access
road
onto
their
property.
Gated
access
from
own
the
property
from
Barry
Lyndon
I
have
been
in
meetings.
The
last
one
was
yesterday
afternoon
with
the
University.
Mr.
O
They
want
to
make
sure
that
they
are
in
greement
with
the
city
in
their
intention
is
to
they've
taken
great
pains,
minister,
and
their
intention
is
to
develop
a
win-win-win
such
for
everyone
concern
and
not
waste
time,
money
and
effort
of
placing
the
dirt
or
roadways
where
they
are
not
needed,
and
so
we're
going
through
that
as
we
speak
and
the
it's,
it's
we're
still
reviewing
everything.
But
what
we
understand
is
that
it's
more
concerned
of
meeting
the
needs
of
the
city
foresees
for
the
future.
O
We've
also
hadn't
had
an
agreement
which
is
I've
received
to
be
under
review
right
now
with
the
city,
where
we
would
do
a
TIF
participate
in
a
tiff
with
the
city.
We
also,
that
was
a
B
would
be
to
run
a
water
line
from
Blackbird
tower,
where
we
would
pay
the
first
two
hundred
fifty
thousand
dollars
of
expenses
on
the
construction
of
the
water
line,
the
balance
of
which
would
be
absorbed
through
hook
up.
O
These
are
at
the
end,
if
there
was
a
balance
for
us
or
the
city
won't
pay,
the
other
that
just
they're
just
balanced.
That
was
new.
We
have
also
in
the
agreement.
We
also
have
offered
$150,000
for
for
any
purpose
that
the
city
might
use
it
for
at
one
time
not
having
what
you
would
really
call
off-site
impacts.
They
were
talking
about.
You
know
maybe
needing
the
streetlight,
and
maybe
it
needs
some
expansion
of
dirt
lane
and
stuff
like
this.
O
We
have
provided
a
density
schedule
and
a
comparison
of
density
schedules
for
your
review
because
we
realize
that
is
very
a
hot
button
for
several
people
and
I
can
understand
that
in
that
schedule,
the
density,
our
density
is
won't
be
5th
on
the
chart
of
13.
If
we
were
to
take
the
new
construction,
it
will
probably
be
5th
on
chart
of
park
14
or
15.
We
averaged
one
building
per
acre
with
maximum
of
48
people
per
acre
in
an
average
of
42
point,
60
67
people
per
acre.
O
O
The
reports
that
we
have
also
in
the
file
that
we
have
given
to
the
city
well
November
18th.
We
also
have
all
slope
stability
reports
there,
several
of
those,
so
the
soil
conditions
and
such
has
been
gone
through
fairly
well
real
thoroughly.
We
have
Foundation
recommendations
as
part
of
it
boring
all
foundations
of
buildings,
retaining
walls,
water
lines,
roadways,
path
of
the
water
lines
and
such
we
have
provided
environmental.
O
We
have
provided
hydraulic
studies,
we
have
provided
a
calculation
of
critical
storm,
we
have
provided
calculations
of
culvert
sizing,
we
have
provided
traffic
impact
studies
of
which
there's
one
additional
impact
study
that
we
do
not
have
in
there.
That
I
was
informed
at
the
city
that
state
of
Ohio
has
done
since
33
has
opened
up
and
shows
effect
of
33
on
Richmond
Avenue.
O
O
We
have
a
letter
stating
that
it
would
be
a
positive
effect
from
the
cut
enforcement
office
here
in
in
Athens
the
fire
protection.
We
have
all
the
needed
fire
protection
that
that
is
that
we
need
plus
some
the
safety
protection
and
we
meet
all
parking
codes,
don't
like
to
kind
of
dress
these
safety
protection
on
that.
O
Project,
certainly,
they
have
taken
safety
in
consideration.
We
have
as
well
taken
every
step
of
safety
into
consideration
as
they
have
in
addition
to,
we
haven't
provided
a
gated
community
here
and
the
gated
community.
We
feel
like
it's
a
bonus
to
people,
to
give
us
a
better
opportunity
to
gear
the
comings
and
goings
of
anyone
to
the
property,
and,
at
that
point
in
time
it
also
it
kind
of
puts
a
bite
in
our
policy
of
making
residents
responsible.
O
If
somebody
comes
in
to
visit
whether
it
be
the
party
or
anything
and
there's
destruction,
we
have
a
record
record
of
it
through
the
gate
with
pictures,
the
resident
themselves
will
have
to
pay
for
it
or
make
their
counterpart
pay
for
any
damages
or
any
destruction.
We
can
trace
things
back
as
who
is
there
and
who
may
have
been
the
problem
and
so
being
a
gated
community.
That's
just
a
small
part
of
being
the
gated
community,
but
it
gives
us
such
control.
You
don't
have
the
traffic
back
forth
across
the
parking
lot.
O
Some
people
wandering
through
and
things
like
this,
a
gated
community
in
our
opinion,
is
just
there's
a
great
thing.
Our
club
houses
are
in
the
large
Clubhouse.
We
provide
what
I
hope
to
be
alternatives
to
going
downtown
and
participating
in
a
lot
of
our
activities.
On
this
ISM
I
said
we
have
a
clubhouse
there
that
is
around
the
large
Clubhouse.
It's
a
as
an
indoor
pool
with
it.
It
has
so
I
guess
my
son's
will
call
it
a
sovereign
room
where
they
go
in
when
and
do
what
they
do
with
their
community
fire
computers.
O
We
supply
study
halls,
we
have
theaters
in
there
we
can
show
the
latest
of
movies
for
the
people
we
can
rent
them
and
show
them
to
them
as
a
relaxation
form,
basketball
courts,
tennis
courts,
volleyball
courts.
We
are
right,
now
have
40%
of
green
space
on
this.
This
development
parking,
pawl
and
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
were
well
over
the
world
over
there
by
the
parking
nation
and
something
we
designed
the
post
of
what
was
said
before.
Did
you
do
have
visitors,
I,
know,
I.
O
O
I'm
speaking
with,
and
have
great
hopes
of
using
wallet
construction
now
to
Columbus
to
do
the
construction,
they
would
like
very
much
to
do
the
construction
of
this
project.
I
would
like
very
much
for
them
to
do
this.
Construction
wallet.
Construction
is
the
owner
of
carriage
hills
and
in
saying
that
they
also
have
a
reputation.
They
also
have
something
at
stake
of
doing
the
best
job
available
and
using
local
residents
as
much
as
possible
to
come
in
and
to
build
in
to
inject
funds
into
the
into
the
community
here.
O
So
I
think
this
is
you
know
if
I
had
to
hand
pick
somebody-
and
maybe
I
shouldn't,
say
this
publicly,
but
if
I
was
to
pay
extra
to
anybody
to
come
in
to
construct
this
development,
it
would
be
wallet,
construction
company.
They
are,
in
my
opinion,
our
top
notch
organization
and
I
say
this,
because
I
have
been
on
and
off
for
four
years
now,
meeting
with
the
people
and
I
have
seen
their
projects
and
I
do
feel
comfortable
with
what
they
do
and
I
also
feel
comfortable
in
mr.
keys.
O
Not
here,
I
wish
USS
I
see
a
shadow
over
there.
The
pre-construction
worries
that
has
gone
only
before
the
the
problems
with
mudslides.
The
problems
with
roads
were
messed
up
problems
with
things
not
being
done
properly.
I
just
don't
see
this
happening
with
Wallace
construction
and
if
we
are
given
commissioned
and
permitting
to
do
this
project,
additionally,
I
will
be
on
the
site
three
days
and
two
nights
and
mr.
Pearson
over
there.
O
Somebody
has
all
my
phone
number
cell
number,
some
numbers
and
everything
else
and
I've
never
known
he
repeatedly
vast
when
something's
asked
for
so,
we
are
out
to
make
herself
readily
available
to
make
sure
if
things
do
not
happen
and
when
they
do
and
I'm
not
gonna
be
foolish
enough
to
say
they
won't
happen.
But
when
they
do
happen,
we
hope
they're
small,
but
they
would
be
tended
to
immediately.
They
will
be
tentative,
immediate.
O
So
insane
this
Oh
also,
there
was
a
concern
I
think
about
that
was
brought
to
my
attention
in
one
of
the
meetings
about
the
underground
retention
system
and
at
one
time
we
were
asked
to
furnish
locations
that
have
underground
retention
system
that
is
put
in
pretty
much
the
same.
Falls
is
what
we
were
dealing
with
here
and
I
have
a
list
of
8
here
that
was
put
in
by
the
one
firm
that
we
have
been
talking
to
and
we
would
like
to
use
advanced
drainage
system.
Mr.
O
Clevenger
has
provided
this
with
this,
which
will
make
part
of
the
package
as
well
and
I
noticed
that
it
did
not
give
telephone
numbers.
We
will
have
telephone
numbers
and
contact
numbers
as
well
for
people
to
call
and
ask
and
inquire.
Also,
along
with
that,
we
are
arranging
for
mr.
Clevenger
to
meet
with
us
at
Ohio
University
in
and
kind
of
have
an
open
house
for
anyone
that
is
interested
in
understanding
about
underground
retainage.
O
So
at
this
point,
I
would
ask
to
have
a
preliminary
approval
of
this
at
this
meeting
with
associ
v.
I
have
the
engineer
here.
Anybody
that's
has
questions.
I
certainly
have
the
engineer
here:
people
who
are
invited
to
ask
him
any
questions
they
might
have,
so
you
can
hear
it
from
mr.
Martin.
Thank
you.
I.
N
A
Sent
me
a
copy
of
the
letter
that
they
had
submitted
before
and
she
said
that
they,
it
was
concerned
her
that
she
worked
on
the
trees,
and
that
was
the
that
was
really
not
part
of
the
tree
Commission's
area,
but
they
were
concerned
about
removing
so
much
of
the
hilltop
and
cutting
down
the
hillsides
and
I.
Don't
know
see
this,
so
this
is
a
letter.
This
is
a
letter
she
wanted
to
submit
to
us
that
we
asked
that
question
because
I,
don't
I,
haven't
heard
from
her
that
she
had
any
reply
back.
K
A
Was
a
December
she
sent
it
to
me.
She
included
the
copy
of
the
original
letter
from
before
about
the
trees,
and
she
said
that
the
trees
problem
had
been.
They
had
reviewed
the
plan
and
they
had
worked
that
out,
but
this
thing
that
they
were
concerned
about
there
was
really
not
they're,
not
the
ones
who
are
to
worry
about
that,
but
they
were
concerned
about
taking
the
hills
down
and
that
when
you
take
it
down,
you
also
take
all
the
vegetation
all
the
trees
down,
so
they
actually
yeah
it.
O
Landscape
plan,
we
want
our
plan
approved
under
this,
but
we
open
our
doors
really
to
anybody.
Would
I
want
to
expand
it
myself
and
and
the
expansion
is
to
continue
as
far
as
I'm
concerned
from
here
to
here.
Until
we
get
it
get
it
right,
but
in
saying
that
when
you
go
to
move
soils
top
the
part
of
the
soils
or
that
you
have
to
remove
to
get
rid
of
the
spoilage
of
the
soils,
there's
no
way
to
do
it
without
leaving
the
trees
I
wish.
A
I
understand
that,
but
I
think
the
point
is
that
they
don't
want
the
truth.
Hillsides
cut
down,
I
have
one
other
question,
though
this
has
been
so
many
times
it
have
you
up
this
number
of
the
number
of
beds
from
since
the
last
12
senseless,
maybe
not
the
first
time,
but
one
of
the
last
times
the
last
time
before
this
time
we.
O
We
have
it's
the
same
thing
that
y'all
proved
in
April
of
2004
and
is
896.
When
we
went
to
City
Council,
they
asked
us
to
go
back
and
look
at
it,
considering
the
hillside
audience.
So
that's
what
we
did,
and
so
we
designed
a
plan
and
that's
what
brought
about
all
the
retaining
walls
that
everybody
saw
and,
and
it
cut
the
residents
to
600
well
financially,
that
just
did
not
work
out
and
but
then,
when
we
go
to
the
engineering
in
the
city's
engineers,
come
back
and
recommend
you
to
bring
those
soils.
O
But
that
leaves
us
exactly
where
we
were
with
896
and
it's
the
same
thing
that
people
have
a
green
phone
from
engineers
from
more
engineering
to
psi2
the
group
we
had
in
here
a
nominee
out
of
Philadelphia
with
the
gmh
group.
This
is
same
load
that
has
existed
through
even
the
one
in
Atlanta
there's.
You
know
four
or
five
different
people
that
have
engineered
and
everything
migrates
itself
back
down
to
this
level
and
the
reason
being
that
I
feel
comfortable,
saying
the
reason
being
is
the
pole
conditions.
A
O
F
O
At
the
top
of
the
hill,
you
have
the
clubhouse
in
the
parking
for
the
clubhouse,
then
you
go
aways
and
then
the
residential
housing
and
parking
starts
well
between
the
clubhouse,
with
residential
houses
for
residential
housing
starts
is
the
gate
for
the
community.
The
clubhouse
is
not
gated
with
the
community
is
gated,
and
then
the
stub
to
the
backside
of
carriage
hills
is
for
the
University.
K
F
F
K
B
B
I
realize
that
it
was
the
Planning
Commission
suggestion
and
perception,
with
the
administration's
that
we
didn't
want
all
this
filter
coming
down
on
area
and
Alba
Richland
Avenue,
because
we
went
through
that
across
across
the
street
and
try
to
at
least
negotiate
with
your
neighbor.
The
University.
K
O
I
think
what
they're
looking
for
is
some
leadership
from
either
yourself
or
wanky,
or
someone
saying
look.
This
is
maybe
what
we
foresee
and
I
think
the
situation,
that's
at
hand
now
with
the
people
that
we
both
talk
to
over
there
he's
not
being
he's
not
available
to
us
right
now,
once
his
availability
is
there
I
think
the
situation
would
be
resolved
rather
quickly.
B
Well,
my
main
point
of
it
is
is
not
exactly
as
you've
got
a
plan
that
was
in
essence
approved
a
year
and
a
half
or
two
years
ago
by
this
Planning
Commission.
The
council
asked
you
to
relook
at
it
and
determine
if
he
can
make
it
smaller
and
you
basically
come
back
and
said
he
can.
Obviously
you
can't
do
it
so
you're
back
to
the
original,
which
I
assume
has
some
degree
of
underground
storage
of
retention
of
water.
B
K
K
K
F
K
K
O
Road
on
the
university
property
was
a
afterthought
for
the
university
officials
and
they
said
if
we
go
in
there
and
we
make
this
land
be
usable
that
at
one
time
or
one
day,
they
may
want
to
move
their
landscaping
department
over
there.
And
so,
therefore,
we
have
an
opportunity
to
get
a
road,
but
remember
that
this
road
also
was
to
be
a
gated.
Road
went
from
the
the
point
of
the
university.
Now
the
last
I
spoke
with
mr.
Kotowski.
There
I
sensed
if
he
had
his
preference.
O
F
O
Could
happen
in
his
point,
then
was
not
do
it
well
all,
but
if
he
was
then
to
giveth
city
and
taking
consideration
with
the
city's
desire
is
which
was
stemmed
from
comprar
Beach
I
was
also
been
rumors
about
cutting
through
the
prompting
and
cutting
over
to
682,
and
there's
been
rumors
like
that
and,
like
I
say
they
have
taken
great
pains
to
take
into
consideration.
What
does
the
city
want
to
do?
So?
O
We
can
do
the
right
and
smart
thing
with
this
dirt
that
we
move
over,
and
that
was
the
the
consideration
that
they're
trying
to
find
in
this
degree
mer
and
if
necessary,
then
we
would
address
those
concerns
in
that
agreement.
As
this
agreement
is
signed,
they
don't
have
problems
with
the
agreement
matter
of
fact,
we're
pretty
well
have
rewritten
agreement,
as
it
is
other
than
the
concerns
of
how
do
we
accommodate
the
table?
What
the
my.
B
No
fountain
all
we
had
said
that,
probably
as
a
condition
of
the
approval,
at
least
that's
what
we
talked
about
the
last
time
or
did
was
that
we
would
like
all
of
the
dirt,
whatever
that
you're
removing
from
the
site
to
be
removed
in
such
a
way
that
you
don't
use
city
streets,
it's
to
remove
it
and
that's
all
this
rest
of
it
just
pulls
around
everything
else.
That's
right,
but
it
really
from
the
looks
of
your
site
plan,
egress,
accesses,
etc.
H
K
O
Extra
50
foot
buffer
me
between
the
homes
and
our
property,
we
have
the
retaining
walls,
are
exactly
the
way
they
were
drawn
in
2004.
They
still
have
the
weed
fence
there
as
a
not
only
a
visual
buffer,
but
it's
an
offer
as
well,
and
we
have
talked
to
the
South
Side
community
and
we
have
promised
to
double
line
that
with
trees
in
order
to
help
prevent
any
glare
from
lighting
and
such
as
and.
F
O
Q
Yes,
my
name
is
Mark
Spezza
I'm
with
century
21,
classic
golden
Athens
and
mr.
dowdy
has
contracted
me
to
contact
a
number
of
the
homeowners
up
on
Greenbrier.
We
have
done
a
market
analysis
on,
let's
say:
1
2,
3
4
of
the
homes
up
on
Greenbrier
and
mr.
dowdy
has
I
think
kind
of
kept
true
to
his
word.
Q
He
had
indicated
to
the
homeowners
up
there
that
he
would
be
willing
to
purchase
those
homes
and
the
fact
the
matter
is
I-
think
we've
done
market
analysis
above
market
value,
that
being,
if
any
of
the
homeowners
up
on
Greenbrier
desire
to
sell
their
home,
they
can
sell
their
home
to
mr.
Dowdy's
group
and
do
that
with
no
Commission
involved.
Q
I
think
our
market
analysis
will
show
that
the
properties
are
being
evaluated
above
market
value.
We
have
also
put
an
additional
protection
in
there
and
that
we've
indicated
that
any
of
the
homeowners
that
want
to
sell
their
property
may
also
get
a
appraisal,
and
mr.
dowdy
will
purchase
the
property
either
at
our
market
value
or
the
appraised
value,
and
in
addition,
he
has
indicated
that
he
will
provide
each
of
those
homeowners
with
a
$10,000
moving
expense.
So
again,
the
value
for
those
homes
is
up
any
questions.
H
F
O
In
the
future,
it's
we
need
to
invest
the
money
like
that
in
a
piece
of
property.
We
have
to
look
at
as
to
what
we
can
do
with
it
again.
O
We
approach
this
thing
is
we
want
to
the
residents?
We
want
them
to
get,
have
an
opportunity
to
sell
if
they
wish
to
sell
and
we've
also
approached
this.
They
do
not
need
to
take
a
beating
to
get
out,
and
but
nor
do
we
need
to
let
them
win
lottery
tickets
as
well,
and
so
we
have
tried
to
go
in
and
do
an
evaluation
with
it.
The
mark
said,
if
there's
no
Commission
paid,
although
that
we
have
an
agreement
that
I
would
pay.
Commission,
maybe
he's
changed
his
mind,
but
we
do.
I
O
F
O
O
Is
not
polish
that
you
can
remove?
No,
it
is
not
I
mean
we
could
go
there
years
and
just
rewrite
the
homes
we
just
it's
one
of
those
things
that
we
have
to
decide
what
we
want
to
do
with
them.
We
feel
like
that.
It's
very
uncomfortable
for
these
residents
on
green
burner
to
be
sitting
there
for
the
period
of
time
that
I've
been
trying
to
get
this
through
the
city.
They
have
a
life.
O
You
know
as
well
to
plan
and
I
didn't
want
to
approach
them
until
I
was
very
confident
that
the
deal
can
be
done.
That's
my
reason
for
approaching
them
at
this
this
time
the
decision
nobody
has
agreed
to
anything.
The
agreements
are
there
they're
in
place.
Everybody
seems
to
be
waiting
to
see
what
happens
with
the
Planning
Commission
and
you
know,
get
a
foot
in
the
door
to
City
Council.
But
at
that
point
we
feel
like
that.
There's
there's
an
interest
on
their
part
to
it.
It
makes
a
complete
commercial
area.
O
When
you
look
at
the
property
and
go
from
there
all
the
way
to
50
33
or
the
ramp,
there
are
next
to
carriage
hills.
That's
commercial
and
from
the
city
from
the
school,
the
ridges
you've
got
a
community
they're
green
brown
residents
and
they're
kind
of
unfortunately
years
ago.
I
guess
it
ended
up
being
a
trap,
form
that
they're
in
the
middle
of
a
lot
of
commercial,
and
maybe
some
of
the
bright
lights
that
they
don't
really
want
to
see,
and
so
I
certainly
sympathize
with
them.
O
H
K
K
F
H
K
O
That's
often
engineered
not
so
would
not
run.
We
have
control
over
all
that
we
have
the
engineering
in
sediment
ponds
and
stuff
set
up
to
control
the
bay,
and
what
we've
done
is
we
engineered
it
to
what
we
don't
disturb
the
trees
that
are
there
next
to
the
roadway?
So,
basically,
we're
hoping
this
out
of
sight
out
of
mind.
R
R
We
would
request
that
before
granting
any
approval
for
this
project,
you
address
the
conditions
required
by
title
20,
3.0
6.03,
a
B
and
C
of
the
Atma
city
code
regarding
title
2,
3.0,
603,
a
that
the
the
pro
the
proposed
project
is
consonant
with
the
comprehensive
city
plan.
Although
you
have
expressed
a
need
to
change
some
small
sections
of
Athens
2020
comprehensive
plan,
we
assumed
the
plan
will
be
accepted
virtually,
as
is
therefore,
the
campus
edge
project
should
be
in
agreement
with
the
goals
of
the
new
plan
rather
than
the
outdated
one.
R
The
comp
this
comprehensive
plan
Maps
the
area
around
Richland
Avenue,
its
high
density,
residential
and
also
the
plan,
strongly
urges
preserving
the
hills
and
River
and
existing
and
increasing
the
tree.
Canopy.
These
two
goals
are
not
mutually
exclusive.
High-Density
housing
can
be
built
on
the
hills.
It
requires
a
small
number
of
high-density
units
with
large
areas
of
undeveloped
land.
This
issue
is
not
density.
It
is
whether
the
hills
and
the
tree
canopy
are
being
preserved.
R
The
total
number
of
beds
proposed
by
campus
edge
is
too
large
to
allow
the
project
to
be
compatible
with
the
environmental
requirements
of
the
Comprehensive
Plan.
So
it
is
not
consonant
with
the
comprehensive
plan
regarding
title
23
point
o
603
B.
That
is
not
advert
that
it
will
not
adversely
affect
neighbor
neighboring
property
that
a
nice
may
not
say
their
name
right.
The
tanaya's
will
be
affected
by
this
proposed
project.
Their
view
will
be
destroyed,
they
will
experience
an
increased
noise
level
in
a
20-foot
drop
off.
R
J
That
I
want
to
downplay
any
of
the
concerns
of
the
South
Side
residents
enormous
rap,
but
she
gave
you
references
as
I
alluded
to
earlier
sections
of
the
code
that
were
eliminated
several
years
ago.
The
Planning
Commission
excuse
me
has
some
impact
findings.
They
have
to
go
through
that's
contained
in
the
new
PUD
regulations,
not
in
the
old
zoning
code.
J
Exacerbation
possibly
of
existing
problems
in
an
area,
stormwater
control,
traffic
congestion,
but
those
are
all
outlined
in
the
new
regulations
if
they
exist
at
all
I'm,
not
sure
that
there
is
even
an
illusion
in
the
new
in
the
current
PUD
regs
to
a
comprehensive
plan
right
off
the
top
of
my
head,
I,
don't
know,
but
I
think
the
mayor
has
a
copy
of
it
right.
There.
B
J
Things
going
back
to
previous
case,
because
this
underlining
zoning
district
is
r3,
we're
looking
at
building
heights,
not
to
exceed
45,
Peter,
three
and
a
half
stories,
certain
setback
requirements,
certain
lot
coverage
requirements
and
to
the
best
of
my
knowledge,
no
variances
are
required
again.
That
will
still
continue
to
be
reviewed
by
its.
J
There
is
a
portion
of
the
property-
that's
zoned
in
the
B
three
district
on
Richland
Avenue,
but
that
portion
of
the
property
is
not
being
developed.
Yeah
I
started
this
Kozol.
One
of
the
oddities
also
of
the
area
is
that
the
Greenbrier
residential
neighborhood
is
zoned
our
three
multi-family
residential.
So
somewhere
in
the
past,
there
was
a
thought
that
that
entire
area
would
probably
be
multi-family
residential.
J
Original
plan
was
reviewed
by
Burgess
and
knife,
which
had
underground
storm
water
detention,
waters,
detained
and
put
an
appropriated
type
pipe.
They
expressed
some
concerns
over
perforated
pipe.
A
subsequent
plan
was
approved
that
had
on
grade
or
on
ground
level.
Pond
water
retention-
they
were
just
you
know,
within
a
meeting
or
two
of
reconciling
all
the
differences
with
the
developer.
J
My
understanding
now
is
we're
back
to
an
underground
storage
of
storm
water,
as
opposed
on
surface
storage,
but
in
a
pipe
that
is
non
perforated
or
solid,
so
Burgess
and
Nile
hasn't
as
far
as
I
know
now
had
not
has
not
looked
at
solid
pipe,
but
I
believe
it
will
overcome
some
of
the
concerns
that
they
had
about
that
infiltration
and
outflow
right.
What
happened
with
perforated
pipe
so
I
think
to
be
honest
with
you
in
the
oil
you
don't
have
the
attractive
nuisance
of
ponds
on
grade.
F
J
A
O
Will
be,
as
I
said,
before,
bringing
the
events,
you
know,
Chris
invent
systems
and
everybody
will
get
an
invitation
to
come
and
speak
to
the
gentleman
about
what
the
system
actually
is
and
how
it
controls
and
I
think
everybody
get
better
comfortable.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
we
have
a
won't,
have
an
opportunity
to
probably
the
advertising,
in
fact,
and
not
only
the
Planning,
Commission
City,
Council
Commission
or
anybody
any
engineer
that
would
like
to
come
or
individual
I
can
look
at
it.
F
A
F
J
He
said:
well,
we
just
give
you
a
little
background.
Hopefully,
I
had
about
the
Senate
II
map
and
location
map
sufficient
for
you
to
be
able
to
identify
where
you're
at
this
is
not
within
the
city
of
Athens.
It's
within
a
3-mile
planning,
jurisdiction
of
the
city
because
it
has
to
do
with
the
subdivision
of
land.
Therefore,
the
Planning
Commission
has
to
consider
it
very.
These
are
three
Lots
just
up
the
street
from
the
post
office
in
the
plains.
J
If
you
know
where
the
post
office
is
on
680,
this
is
just
back
the
street
that
goes
back
to
a
residential
subdivision
back
there.
Mr.
Heenan
currently
owns
three
Lots
that
were
platted,
probably
at
the
time
that
the
plains
was
known
as
barity.
That
was
its
former
name
I,
don't
know
when
it
was
changed
to
the
plains,
but
a
lot
of
the
original
planning
in
the
area
was
the
village
of
Verity.
J
J
J
The
whole
idea
is
to
split
the
property,
to
essentially
reduce
the
number
of
potential
building
sites
from
three
down
to
two
and
to
accommodate
sale,
and/or
refinancing
of
the
property.
So
what
it,
what
it
would
do
is
because
the
plains
has
a
sewer
district
and
because
three
or
more
trailers
are
a
trailer-park
one
or
two
or
not
that's,
and
there
are
no
zoning
or
development
regulations.
That's
why
you
see
a
lot
of
development,
not
typical
to
the
city
of
Athens,
been
possibly
typical
to
those
areas
outside
the
city.
J
J
J
Mr.
mr.
Hanning
can
probably
clarify
this
a
little
more
smiting
that,
right
now
there
is
a
a
single-family
home
and
a
trailer,
and
in
will
do
is
it
will
accommodate
the
separation,
the
property
of
the
split
of
the
property,
to
allow
the
house
to
be
on
one
parcel
and
the
trailer
to
be
on
another
person
now
I'm,
not
sure
what
the
future
idea
is,
if
one
or
the
other
or
both
will
be
transferred
and
sold
if
they'll
remain
mister.
Hennings
ownership
he's
here
to
to
answer
those
questions.
J
B
J
The
larger
lot
proposed
has
the
least
amount
of
road
frontage
right,
the
poor.
The
thing
about
a
lot
area
is,
we
don't
have
the
8,000
square
feet
or
around
that
number.
A
minimum
requirement
now
for
lots,
because
in
the
rewrite
of
the
subdivision,
regs
I
was
asked
to
come
up
with
a
new
table
of
essentially
ball
controls.
That
was
consistent
with
the
subdivision,
regs
and
the
zoning
code.
What
was
included
in
that
in
that
document
was
an
increased
lot
size
requirement
where
there
was
no
stormwater
control,
no
curb
and
gutter.
J
That
kind
of
thing
this
is
just
open,
ditch
drainage
and
therefore,
that
area
requirement
went
from
8,000
square
feet
up
to
20,000
square
feet.
The
lot
that
needs
the
road
frontage
variance,
has
16,000
square
feet
or
there
abouts
I,
believe
a
lot
that
doesn't
need.
The
frontage
variance
is
right.
Around
8,000
I
think
it's
7,000,
so
this
is
I
mean
we
up
the
requirements
just
based
on
and
because
to
this,
what
I
was
trying
to
describe
was
an
existing
condition
to
in
the
potential
for
future
development.
J
F
B
And-
and
that
would
be
you
know
the
motion
to
to
grant
that
I
think
that
women,
but
then
our
code
says
I'll,
just
guess,
probably
read
it:
we're
due
to
exceptional
topography
or
other
physical
conditions.
The
Planning
Commission
finds
that
extraordinary
and
unnecessary
hardship
may
result
from
strict
application
of
these
regulations,
or
the
purpose
of
these
regulations
may
be
served
to
a
greater
extent
by
an
alternative
proposal.
It
may
recommend.
B
To
the
approval
of
variances
exceptions
and
waivers
and
conditions
provided
that
they
will
not
be
detrimental
to
the
public
health,
safety
or
welfare
or
interest
to
other
properties,
and
they
can't
nullify
the
comprehensive
plan
of
the
zoning.
Coast
don't
exist
in
the
plans,
but
we
have
to
basically
find
those
conditions
are.
J
B
F
A
J
You
remember
mr.
Hoisington
dave
washington,
the
owner
of
the
property
came
to
pre-application
meeting
several
months
ago.
In
my
mind.
Essentially,
this
property
is
in
the
corner
of
the
big
curve
at
682
South
Plains
Road,
where
you
head
up
you're
in
the
flat
as
you
head
off
of
route
56,
there's
a
big
curve.
You
up
the
hill.
This
is
a
this
is
up
on
the
ridge
on
your
right-hand
side,
bang.
J
Now
originally
mr.
Hoisington
I
believe
the
pre-application
meeting
had
suggested
that
he
he
could
split
this
up
into
ten
eleven
twelve
Lots
as
I
always
do
because
I
even
for
the
Commission
review
minor
lot.
Splits
I
know
that
sewage
disposal
is
the
big
issue
and,
to
be
honest
with
you
outside
the
city,
the
biggest
land
use
control
available.
I
J
A
J
Therefore,
I
recommend
that
when
you
look
at
these
things,
you
have
the
developer,
go
to
those
entities
that
will
have
control
and
jurisdiction.
What's
the
sheriff,
what's
the
county
sheriff
think
about
the
ingress
egress
point,
what
spleens
fire
and
Sewer
District
think
about
the
water
service
or
lack
thereof?
J
Well,
Lee
acts
provide
water
to
the
site.
Will
the
trustees
will
it
probably
end
up
being
a
township
Rose
yeah?
Well,
what
will
the
bull
the
Township
Trustees
take
over
a
street?
That's
not
to
city
standards
but
possibly
to
their
standards,
has
ODOT
been
approached,
since
this
is
a
an
enhancement
of
a
drive.
Access
off
of
a
State
Route
State
around
680
to
those
entities
are
the
ones
that
you
know
will
have
jurisdiction,
control
and
responsibility
for
these
areas.
That's
why
I
don't
see
variances
as
a
big
problem
for
these
things
outside
the
city.
Now.
A
A
F
B
P
Appreciate
your
patience
this
afternoon,
I'm
Cheri
gall
I
represent
sjb
Development
Inc,
and
that
is
the
company
that
is
developing
the
Hampton
Inn
on
a
stay
on
East
8th
Street
at
986
East,
8th
Street,
and
this
is
actually
like
a
15
acres
site.
The
total
amount
of
acreage
that
sjb
development
owns
a
part
of
that
is
currently
in
the
city.
A
part
of
it
will
be
subject
to
an
annexation
procedures
procedure
coming
down
the
pike.
P
But
what
we're
seeking
today
is
a
variance
from
the
land
development
ordinance
with
relation
to
just
one
item
which
really
has
to
do
with
the
storm
water,
runoff
rates
and
volumes
in
the
development
area.
As
the
code
stands
at
this
point,
a
literal
interpretation
would
require
that
there
be
specific
changes
made
to
the
site,
including
detention,
ponds,
etc,
which
may
not
be
in
the
best
interest
of
all
the
parties
involved
here
as
including
the
city
currently,
because
the
development
area
is
designed
so
that
stormwater
runoff
will
be
discharged
in
the
recently
installed.
P
24
inch
stormwater
storm
sewer,
it
will
discharge
into
the
Hocking
River
and
it
will
not
discharge
above-ground.
So
there
is
actually
infrastructure
there
that
would
handle
the
additional
increase
in
volume
and
run
off.
So
there
are
stormwater
conveyance
structures
sufficient
to
handle
the
increased
rate
of
runoff
without
causing
detriment
to
the
downstream
properties.
There
is
no
area
on
grade
that
would
really
be
appropriate
to
construct
a
detention
structure
or
detention.
Part
of
the
development
side.
I
have
submitted
a
petition
for
variance
and
I
hope
that
everyone
had
a
copy
of
that.
P
Well,
I
just
wanted
to
go
through
the
points
that
we
did
address
there
then
I
will
review
those
with
you
if
you'll
bear
with
me.
There
are
six
points
that
need
to
be
addressed
in
a
petition
for
variance
from
the
land
development,
ordinance
first
of
the
practical
difficulty
or
undue
hardship
and
because
of
exceptional
circumstances,
which
I
described
here.
There
really
are
sufficient
storm
sewer
system
there.
That
will
that
we
could
discharge
into
the
Hocking
River
and
will
not
have
to
discharge
above-ground.
P
There
are
exceptional
circumstances:
storm
water,
conveyance
structures
sufficient
to
handle
the
increase
rate
of
runoff
without
causing
detriment
to
downstream
properties.
This
will
not
the
equal
rights
issue.
This
won't
grant.
The
granting
of
the
requested
variance
will
not
confer
on
the
petitioner
any
special
privilege
that
is
denied
to
other
properties.
Number
four
is
important.
The
minimum
variance
the
variance
granted
is
the
minimum
variance
required
to
make
possible
the
reasonable
development
of
the
land.
The
calculated
rate
of
runoff
redevelopment
and
I
get
this
from
the
engineers
is
in
these.
P
In
the
event
of
a
25-year
storm,
is
29
cubic
feet
per
second,
that's
pre
development.
The
calculated
rate
of
runoff
for
the
same
storm
event
post
development
is
only
39
cubic
feet
per
second
and
although
I'm
not
an
engineer,
I'm
an
attorney
I
can
the
difference.
Apparently,
this
is
a
modest
increase
in
rate
of
runoff.
P
In
light
of
the
fact
that
the
Hocking
River
recorded
a
peak
discharge
of
20,000
cubic
feet
per
second
in
February
2005,
so
we
will
not
be
putting
a
huge
strain
by
any
means
or
additional
strain
on
the
hawk
River
there's
an
absence
of
detriment
authorizing
such
variants
will
not
result
in
substantial
detriment
to
development
area
or
to
other
adjacent
properties.
We
will
not
adversely
impact
them
in
any
way
and
it's
not
of
a
general
nature.
The
special
condition
of
the
property
that
creates
the
hardship
of
difficulty
is
specific
to
the
development
area.
P
I'm,
sorry
that
Mr
Key
is
not
here
today
for
many
reasons
and
I'm,
sorry
that
he
was
unable
to
join
us.
He
also
has
viewed
the
site.
I
discussed
this
with
him
in
advance
and
with
the
mayor
and
with
code
enforcement
director
and
we've
gone
over
some
of
the
specifics.
The
engineers
are
here
to
answer
questions.
If
you
should
have
any
doubts,
it
will
do
my
best
if
you
would
like
to
ask
any
questions
with
regard
to
the
request
for
variance
it's
actually
from
staff
in
city
code,
section
27,
Oh,
204,.
G
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River
and
also
to
this
site
here
to
have
a
storm
pond
in
here.
The
popular
word
today
is
attractive
nuisance.
To
have
a
you
know,
a
dry
pond
here
with
a
fence
around.
It
seems
kind
of
used
pointless
when
you're
you're
discharging
a
small
amount
of
water
during
the
same
form
of
is
39
CFS
coming
out
here,
you
have,
you
know,
does
the
two
thousand?
Actually
we
looked
at
the
rob
book
with
video.
Yes,.
K
F
K
B
B
We
see
the
pods
to
conform
to
the
thing
they
put
in
Walmart
and
we
see
that
when
the
water
runoff
comes
of
any
storm
event,
they're
parking
lots,
flood
and
then
they're
shuttin
essence
shut
down
and
they're
right
next
to
the
same
storm
drains
only
at
different
locations
that
they
could
be
putting
that
water
into
there
and
going
directly
to
the
river,
and
so
from
our
standpoint
of
Australia
of
lis.
It
seems
to
make
more
sense
to
just
you
got
the
storm
brand
right
there,
any
State
Street
few
little
storm
lines
to
it.
It's
gone.
B
From
the
land
development
ordinance-
and
this
is
in
this
variance-
is
one
that
the
Planning
Commission
can
grant.
It
doesn't
go
anywhere
else,
I,
don't
know
why
they
couldn't
but
I,
think
part
of
it.
Is
it
they're
trying
to
come
in
and
comply
with?
All
of
us
think
so.
I
see
the
frost
away
and
the
streets
wide
open
the
parking
lots
flooded
at
Walmart
and
Lowe's
other
places
where
we
have
the
storm
sewers
not
being
used
to
its
full
capacity.
B
F
B
P
K
B
F
G
A
G
B
K
K
K
B
J
I'm
gonna
leave
the
application.
I
went
over
to
the
Department
of
Water
and
Sewer
and
reviewed
it
with
Scot
Lambert,
the
sewer
supervisor
and
Nick
Carr,
the
director
of
the
water
and
sewer
department
in
East,
8th,
Street,
running
on
the
north
side,
associated
with
the
reconstruction
redevelopment
of
East
State
Street,
the
improvement
project.
There's
a
15
inch
storm
line
that
runs
on
the
north
side,
the
water
that
runs
off
the
University
Mall
goes
into
piping.
J
That
goes
under
East
State
Street,
but
goes
into
essentially
a
covered
now
covered
channel
that
heads
down
behind
the
motel
that's
right
there.
All
of
this
stormwater,
however,
will
be
collected
in
the
in
that
15
inch
will
run
to
it's
either
a
21
or
a
24
headed
back
toward
town
or
back
up
toward
Walmart.
Let's
say
that
very
quickly
goes
underneath
a
street
to
the
south
and
ties
into
a
43
inch.
Pipe
42
or
43
eventually
goes
to
a
48.
J
J
They
had
to
convey
existing
stormwater
at
its
current
rate
from
those
properties
already
developed
on
the
north
side,
plus
convey
their
own
and
meet
that
detention
requirement
so
designed
into
that
system
on
the
south
side
of
the
road
is
the
accommodation
for
all
the
runoff
on
the
other
side
of
the
street,
because
you
have
to
convey
everybody
else's
water,
you
don't
have
to
detain
their
water.
You
have
to
detain
your
own.
You
have
to
at
least
have
capacity
convey
theirs
so
that
48
inch
pipe
I'm,
not
an
engineer,
but
that's
a
lot
of
water
and.
F
J
During
the
January
flood,
which
is
the
worst
flood
event
since
the
Hocking
river
was
reach
annulled,
we
did,
as
the
mayor
mentioned,
experienced
issues
related
to
storm
water
and
to
flood
water,
and
what
we
found
was
the
the
system.
That's
there
now
as
its
engineered
and
installed.
I
guess,
for
lack
of
a
better
term
works
like
a
siphon
or
pulling
water
through
a
straw.
The
levels
of
storm,
water
or
/,
backup
water
from
the
flooded
river
stayed
pretty
consistent
in
the
catch
basins
on
East
State
Street,
as
the
detention
ponds
filled
on
the
adjacent
properties.
J
At
a
certain
point
in
time.
My
understanding
is
that
there
that
what
the
I'm
sure
there's
a
physics
name
for
the
effect,
that's
at
the
hydrology,
that's
going
on
at
a
certain
point
that
broke
loose
and
just
the
weight
and
volume
of
that
water
overcame
the
suction
created
by
the
velocity
of
water
it
broke
down,
and
then
the
street
flooded
pretty
quick.
J
But
up
in
to
that
point,
we
didn't
have
any
problems.
First,
flooding,
though,
however,
occurred
when
the
storm,
our
detention
ponds,
overflowed
Walmart's
detention
pond
filled
completely
up
and
turned
into
a
river
that
went
down
at
East,
State
Street,
and
then
everything
just
started
to
go
downhill
because
you
know
the
hydraulics
just
completely
changed
them.
In
this
case,
the
development
site
is
owned
as
less
than
five
acres.
J
J
There
are
three
Lots
only
involved,
those
we're
done
as
minor
lot
splits
or
two
essentially
two
outlets
in
the
front,
and
then
a
part
of
the
property
that
this
is
on
is
a
50-foot
wide
strip,
which
is
the
minimum
required
for
sites
over
five
acres
in
area
that
goes
back
to
the
to
the
hosed
hotel
site.
So
from
what
I
understand
from
talking
to
people,
water
and
sewer,
and
talking
with
mr.
key
mr.
Haslett
haven't
experienced
a
flood
of
that
I.
Think,
as
the
mayor
said,
we
have.
J
We
have
the
best
stormwater
disposal
system
that
you
could
have
right
now
for
that
part
of
town.
That's
a
part
of
town.
That's
not
part
of
the
flood
control
project
system
that
has
pumps
that
rush
the
water
by
those
those
three
I
believe
it's
three
pump
stations
only
protect
the
Ohio
University.
When,
once
you
get
past
Jensen
Avenue,
there
are
no
more
pumps.
J
O
J
Because
this
is
the
first
time
you've
ever
considered
anything
like
this
I
did.
The
mayor
has
a
copy
of
the
regulations
and
the
applicable
sections.
The
way
the
law
is
set
up,
it's
essentially
you're
you're,
going
through
a
process
just
like
the
Board
of
Zoning
Appeals.
You
have
six
findings
of
facts
that
you're
required
to
go
through.
A
J
And
that's
exactly
what
this
girl
did.
She
went
point
by
point.
Almost
exactly
the
same
presentation
somewhat,
wouldn't
make
it
to
board
his
eyen
appeals
so
the
way
the
Zoning
Board
does
it
is
they
actually
have
a
discussion.
They
make
a
motion
and
then
have
a
discussion
making
sure
they
address
each
one
of
those
tourists
because
there's
the
ability
for
a
legal
challenge
later
on
down
the
line.
B
H
F
F
F
H
I
hear
any
objections
are
point:
five
absence
of
detriment.
It
will
not
result
in
substantial
detriment
to
our
area,
where
other
properties
will
be
in
harmony
with
the
general
purpose
of
the
regulations
yo
and
point
six,
not
of
a
general
nature.
A
special
condition
of
the
property
creates
the
hardship
with
specific
area,
and
it's.
A
A
J
Question
was
what
city
regulations
apply
to
development
currently
in
progress
at
university
estates,
which
will
soon
hopefully
come
to
you
for
annexation
and
or
zoning
designation
right
now
there
are
no
city
regulations
that
apply
to
development
in
that
area
and
I.
Think
that
was
John's
question.
Does
the
zoning
code
apply
to
setback
requirements,
earth
do
they
apply
maximum
Heights
pavement
and
essentially
what
I'm
telling
him
is?
No,
it's
not
in
the
city,
it's
still
in
the
three-mile
area,
until
that
area's
annexed
subdivision
regulations
only
apply
so
that
that's
what
that
was
about.
A
J
So
you
know
what
it
was
was
their
application
for.
Mr.
Mara
was
involved
in
that
too,
to
rewrap
or
disturb
areas
of
natural
drainage
in
excess
of
the
maximum
footage
at
which
a
permit
is
required.
So
that
was
a
hearing
required
when
they
applied
to
move
an
excessive
amount
of
natural
drain.
Internals
hillside,
ditch
area
and
that's
the
Corps
of
Engineers
does
that
that's
just
part
of
their
policies
and
procedures.
I
think
we
had
discussion
about
Corps
of
Engineers
input
on
disturbance
of
natural
drainage
areas,
as
we've
been
going
through.