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A
Germán
this
is
the
September
6
2007
regular,
scheduled
meeting
with
Athens
City
Planning
Commission,
it's
233.
We
have
a
full
board
here
everyone's
here
today.
We
take
sworn
testimony
statements.
If
you
plan
to
say
anything,
would
you
please
stand
and
raise
your
right
hand?
Do
you
affirm
and/or,
swear
that
what
you
have
to
say
will
be
the
truth.
A
A
B
I'm
I'm
Dave
voicing
ttan
and
we
were
to
talk
about
the
Tyler
Ridge
subdivision.
We
did
preliminary
approval
before
and
contingent
on
a
multitude
of
things.
The
longest.
The
thing
that
took
the
longest
was
the
Health,
Department
and
I
think
I
know.
Steve
Pearson
was
given
a
copy
of
the
papers
that
I
received
and
I've
got
a
copy
of
the
page
from
from
mr.
hammer.
B
C
A
A
D
B
E
F
F
B
Well,
all
I
have
to
do
is
present
it
back
to
them.
They
approved
it
once,
but
there
again
it
was
good
for
a
year
and
that's
just
a
bore
from
the
other
side
of
the
highway
underneath
they
approved
it
before
nothing's
changed,
there's,
no
reason
why
they
won't.
He
just
said:
they'd
have
to
just
look
at
the
data
again
and
update
it.
B
The
one
I
believe
was
only
a
lot
five
that
he
said
would
be
well
a
lot
five
is,
he
says,
unsuitable
for
a
standard
symptom,
but
apparently
nothing's
suitable
for
a
standard
septic
anymore,
so
we'd
have
to
be
a
mound
system
or
whatever,
and
that
yeah
that's
gonna
have
to
be
taken
into
account
when
somebody
builds
a
house
there
from
what
I
understand.
G
B
G
B
That
there's
two
two
things
I
can
address
that
the
first
is
yeah
Mr
hammer
did
say
he
we
would
have
to
have
something
on
the
plat
on
the
final
plan
stating
that
stating
that
it
might
not
be
suitable
and
the
only
one
seems
to
be
a
problem
and-
and
he
said
based
on
the
information.
Apparently
one
of
the
test
holes
was
not
exactly
where
the
distance
from
the
the
reports
didn't
show
all
the
information
on
it.
B
But
he
said
there
the
law
was
found
to
be
suitable
for
a
septic
system,
so
might
have
the
person
who's
doing
it.
Who
was
building
on
that
law?
It
may
have
to
provide
some
more
information,
but
I
would
tell
them
at
the
beginning
of
when
they
buy
a
lot,
that
they're
gonna
have
to
research
it
and
I
that
law
v.
If
it
comes
to
just
on
that
lot,
I
can
reduce
the
price
enough
to
help.
Somebody
sure
you.
G
D
D
G
B
C
B
G
B
I
B
G
I
B
I
G
G
I
A
A
A
A
A
A
Know
he
came
back
several
times
back,
but
all
I
have
here
is
the
when
it
was
tabled.
That
first
time
you
came
in
oh
six,
when
you'd
cut
the
number
of
Lots
back
and
you
came
to
discuss
it
and
we
didn't
there
was
information
needed,
so
it
was
tabled.
So
I,
don't
know
what
happened
after
January
there's
nothing
else
in
there.
G
A
A
H
I
would
appreciate
it
if
I
could
just
go
through
the
whole
thing
and
then
we'll
open
it
up
to
discussion
at
one
time,
not
because
I
could
answer
some
of
your
questions
as
I
go
on
today,
I've
chosen
to
bring
four
projects
before
you
that
I
will
be
following
up
on
a
final
October
for,
as
you
know,
this
is
a
very
large
project
and
many
of
the
things
we
will
talk
about
are
going
to
be
related
to
these
projects.
We
are
the
things
we've
talked
about
in
the
past
and
you've
approved.
H
You
know,
I
won't
go
through
all
that
stuff.
Each
time
we
talk
about
these
individual
projects
again,
the
reason
I'm,
why
I'm
coming
in
two
steps
for
the
final
is
that
gives
you
30
days
to
review
all
this
and
think
about
all
the
area
things.
So
when
I
come
back
for
the
final
with
all
the
detailed
information
you
know,
some
of
the
questions
and
stuff
that
you
have
I
will
have
already
been
able
to
incorporate
end
of
the
presentation.
H
My
plan
is
to
come
back.
October
4th
for
the
final
I
met,
invited
the
shade
tree
Commission
out
last
week,
and
they
come
out
and
I
showed
him
all
these
projects
and
I
will
meet
with
them
tonight.
Yesterday
I
went
to
the
staff
meeting
of
the
of
the
mayor
and
raised
whole
staff
and
presented
all
this
to
them,
so
they
would
also
have
at
least
30
days
to
begin.
You
know
reviewing
a
lot
of
the
details
on
water
and
sanitary
storm.
I
guess.
H
We're
at
a
point
now,
with
the
scheduling
you
know,
we
have
grand
Vista
approved,
we're
waiting
on
the
land
development
section
to
be
approved
by
Ray
and
that's
nearing
completion.
Part
of
the
reason
we
want
to
get
all
four
of
these
projects
going
is
that
so
we
can
coordinate.
The
earthwork
obviously
makes
it
cost-effective
and
the
use
of
Greenville
Greenview
Lane
is
incorporated
in
that
plan.
So
we
want
to
be
able
to
use
that.
So
then
we
can
pavement
for
the
final
project.
Four
and
five.
H
One
of
the
other
things
too,
is
by
tying
all
this
together.
It's
gonna
be
less
disruptive
on
the
neighbors
that
we
have
up
there
now,
the
residents
we
can
get
all
this
earthmoving
done,
hopefully
over
the
winter
and
through
the
first
part
of
the
spring,
obviously
weather
dependent,
but
that'll
get
a
lot
of
that
stuff
out
of
the
way.
So
we
can
not
inconvenience
in
any
more
than
we
have
to
to
do
this.
We
will
need
a
new
platform.
H
We
have
some
residential
and
additional
lot
for,
and
armed
deer
dredge
will
be
part
of
the
new
Platt
it'll
pass
that
out
in
a
minute
we
will
have
to
vacate
armed
deed
Road.
At
the
same
time,
if
you
look
at
the
timeline
we
need
to
to
make
this
happen.
I
talked
about
September
5th
of
the
city
meeting
with
the
administrative
staff.
H
Today's
meeting
Treme
tree
Commission
tonight
and
then
on
the
19th
I
go
to
the
disabilities
Commission
in
order
to
make
your
October
4th
meeting,
I
have
to
have
all
the
final
packages
in
to
Steve
on
September
26,
which
I
think
is
ten
days.
Wherever's
requirement
is
to
make
the
agenda
for
the
fourth,
so
I've
got
a
lot
of
work
to
do
in
the
next,
not
quite
30
days.
H
One
thing
that
I
would
ask
you
to
consider
thinking
about
now
is
the
way
the
system
works.
If
I
come
to
you
on
the
4th
for
approval,
you
have
the
option
of
a
public
hearing.
Okay.
If
we
choose
to
have
that
public
hearing
that
adds
another
20
to
25
days
on
to
the
process
and
the
reason
I
bring
that
up.
I
H
Because
if
you
approve
without
the
public
hearing
the
very
next
thing,
the
City
Council
does
this
has
a
public
hearing
at
their
committee
meeting.
So
we
wouldn't,
you
know,
obviously
have
a
public
hearing
that
people
could
voice
any
concerns
they
had.
If
that
would
flow
through,
then
council
could
have
their
public
hearing
on
the
22nd
of
October,
then
starting
November
through
December.
Third,
we
could
have
the
readings
the
three
readings.
Then
you
have
a
30-day
waiting
period
for
an
ordinance
to
pass.
H
H
The
plot
for
Phase
two
is
going
to
be
this
area
right
here,
see
the
to
call
the
sacks
and
then
they'd
open
Springs
here,
where
the
water
tower
is,
that
will
be
part
of
the
plat
and
then
this
whole
section
right
here
will
be
carved
out
and
found
a
lot
before
B
for
B,
and
then
the
other
part
of
the
plant
is
the
Armitage
river.
It
has
to
be
planning
and
there's
a
vacating
process
to
council.
This.
H
H
H
One
thing
I
think
that
falls
into
subdivision
regulations
to
that
I
come
through
with
the
plan.
The
second
project
is
the
residential
phase,
two
of
the
single
family-
lots,
which
is
right
here
on
the
big
map.
If
you
look
on
this
map,
we're
coming
up
University
of
States
Boulevard.
This
way
we
propose
putting
a
roundabout
here
within
the
contact
with
a
nice
tone,
exchange
silver
ideas,
visit
of
Ewing
and
Dublin,
and
grant
to
healthy
places
like
that.
We're
working
with
Andy
to
design
and
I
know
you're.
H
H
Probably
our
targeted
price
retail,
for
these
will
be
for
that
home
science
would
be
160
to
225
thousand
roughly
in
that
ballpark
one
of
the
surveys
with
housing
surveys.
We
did
originally
mentioned
us
that
we
should
have
several
different
types
of
product
available.
Unfortunately,
we
were
slow
getting
going.
We
couldn't
do
all
that
at
one
time,
but
now
we're
getting
into
that
that
we
can.
I
E
H
H
Our
broader
picture
of
what
we
can
offer
a
bond
is
being
figured
by
down
the
price
for
the
Rhodes
and
rave.
We
talked
with
Ray
yesterday
at
the
meeting.
We
will
have
that
fairly
quickly
for
him
to
review
at
the
time
the
plat
goes
through.
Bond
has
to
be
posted
for
the
Rhodes,
so
between
Ray
and
I
and
Burgess
Nigel's
and
and
our
engineer
we
will
accomplish
that.
Probably
in
the
next
couple
of
weeks,
all
the
utilities
will
be
underground,
the
landscaping
lighting
we
will.
H
On
both
sides
they
call
the
SAC
streets,
however,
on
this
main
feeder
line,
because
we're
not
sure
what
we're
gonna
do
here
on
this
side
of
the
street,
we're
probably
asked
my
parents,
we
start
off
with
one
side
sidewalk
on
the
residential
side.
Just
make
sure
you
know,
when
we
get
farther
along,
we
can
always
come
back
in.
I
H
H
H
Pretty
well
sold
out,
which
is
six
through
twelve.
We
add
the
clubhouse
open
swimming
pool
in
and
all
that,
so
we're
taking
off
from
right
here
is
the
clubhouse,
and
when
you
show
you,
this
shows
a
cul-de-sac
going
right
up
here
and
then
the
road
coming
on
around
our
current
plan.
After
we
did
the
soil
stability
studies
and
all
that
they're
recommended
to
us
instead
of
coming
out
here
with
a
cul-de-sac,
the
time
we
got
out
of
here
wasn't
sturdy
and
we
have
a
little
blue
spray
and
put
the
buildings
in
this
manner.
H
This
gives
a
little
better
picture
overall,
the
clubhouse
is
right
here.
It's
completed
and
you'll
have
your
turnaround
loop
road
right
there
and
then
it
shows
Altamont
fall
down.
Stone
Ridge
comes
down
to
the
University
of
States
over,
as
with
the
residential
component
of
this,
the
villas
is
also
under
our
architectural
review
committee.
So
we
control
what
the
materials
are
used.
We'll
have
a
homeowner's
association,
which
is
already
has
one
in
place
again.
I
said
the
9
to
12
buildings.
H
I
think
this
picture
shows
nine
that
could
increase
back
up
to
12
with
the
CTL
report
and
Burgess
and
ipols
all
agree
that
that
there
will
work
with
that
number
again.
These
are
state
approved
building
because
of
four
to
a
unit.
The
road
bond
is
in
place
for
this.
All
the
utilities
will
continue
underground
a
landscaping.
C
H
H
H
Be
approximately
the
same
level
as
my
offices
right
now,
we've
done
that
originally.
So
when
you
come
in
University
of
States,
there's,
probably
a
20
to
25
foot
difference
between
the
road
and
the
where
the
pad
is
so
that
you
still
get
a
residential
feel
as
much
as
you
can
coming
in
there
it's
going
to
be
somewhere
around
an
18,000
foot
square
square
foot
building
brick-faced
units
will
be
anywhere
from
thousand
of
2,500
each
probably
six
units,
and
this
picture
shows
two
buildings
outbuildings
you're
still
in
a
bullet
or
a
part
of
that.
H
This
plan
here
is
a
little
more
detailed,
shows
a
storm
and
stuff.
We've
resigned
to
the
fact
that
maybe
two
won't
fit
there.
So
we're
looking
at
a
bank
bank
type
building
on
the
end
here
and
doing
away
with
the
building
over
here.
One
of
the
questions
that
was
raised
that
staff
meeting
yesterday
asked
me
to
take
a
look
at
the
double
entry
over
here
off.
Armored
need
Road.
If
there's
another
possibility,
so
we
will
address
that.
I
H
H
H
H
E
H
Wanted
to
leave
green
view
as
a
easement.
The
way
we're
using
it
now
I
think
it's
imperative
that
you
do
that.
Until
these
get
to
a
point
that
then
it
becomes
obvious
we
have
to
built
it
out.
Rather,
if
we
can
get
as
much
of
the
earth
work
done
for
this
project,
and
you
have
a
three
say,
June
or
July
next
year,
we
will
have
done
most
of
the
heavy
haul
up
on
this
ready.
H
And
that's
just
to
give
us
the
corner
area
there
that
make
room
for
the
detention
basins
and
the
hall
the
edge
of
the
park
or
their
Clubhouse.
The
property
is
already
zoned
r3
when
we
originally
went
through
zoning.
So
that's
been
taken
care
of
phase
1
are
looking
at
completion
date
of
the
fall
of
2008
phase.
2
will
be
the
fall
of
2009
and
phase
3.
H
H
H
Again,
these
are
because
these
are
large
buildings
would
be
state
inspected
and
permitted.
There'll
be
three
storey
buildings,
they'll
be
a
few
of
them.
That
will
be
because
the
terrain
will
have
a
part
of
the
basement
will
be
walkout,
so
there'll
be
two
three
and
four
bedroom
units.
They're
all
have
individual
bathrooms,
plus
the
whole
unit
has
a
kitchen
closets,
washer
and
dryer,
and
a
sprinkler
farms,
fire
alarm
smoke
alarms
will
be
a
minimum
with
one
per
bedroom
parking
and
it's
going
to
be
professionally.
H
I
H
A
full
maintenance
staff
on
board
Fred
seven
days
a
week,
24
hours
a
day
which
includes
snow
removal
and
the
basic
maintenance
of
building
the
basic
code
of
conduct
will
be
signed
by
every
resident,
and
they
will
also
sign
a
thing
that
says
that
there
are
part
of
the
homeowners
association.
So
they
know
our
rules
in
the
subdivision.
H
And
Nick
Carr
has
that
and
he
will
be
reviewing
that
one
of
the
things
we're
still
looking
at
is
the
bus
service.
If
it's
any
way
possible,
we'd
like
to
explore
the
Athens
Transit
System
me
because
you
know,
once
we
get
more
population
out
there,
they're
probably
they're,
going
to
be
coming
out
there
anyways.
So
if
we
can
incorporate
some
kind
of
schedule
with
them
up
there,
ridership,
which
obviously
ups
their
revenue,
that's
the
first
option.
I
think
we
should
take
the
apartment.
Complex
also
will
have
access
to
the
bike
path.
H
Think
this
is
going
to
be
an
attractive
and
well-managed
apartment
complex
it's
in
keeping
with
a
lot
of
the
things
that
we're
in
the
Athens
comprehensive
plan
and
I
think
it's
just
a
great
idea:
dition.
It's
particularly
this
location
for
that
for
the
community
as
I
originally
stayed.
Today's
purpose
was
to
give
you
some
advanced.
H
Information
on
what
we
plan
on
coming
back
on
October
4th
with,
so
that
we
can
meet
this
very
aggressive
schedule.
My
main
goal
is
to
keep
all
my
guys
working
this
winter
and
to
do
that.
I've
got
to
have
these
things
approved
so
that
so
I
don't
have
to
lay
off.
You
know
100
and
some
people,
I
guess
the
best
thing
I,
don't
think
I've
missed
anything.
So
if
you've
got
questions
build
up
through
my
presentation-
yes,
maybe
I
can
have
helped
you
now
or
else
I
can
at
least
get
you
an
answer.
A
Why
do
you
have
a
university
view?
I
thought
just
in
campus
food?
Are
we
getting
a
look
too
many
universities
and
campuses
around
I
would
say.
I
would
think
that
the
emergency
people
would
be
kind
of
balking
and
some
of
them
I
thought
those
are
and-
and
my
other
favorite
thing
I
want
to
ask,
you-
is
who's
going
to
live
in
those
out
of
those
apartments
right
there?
For
what
group
of
people
are
you
building
them.
A
You
know
I
have
always
been
disappointed
at
the
this.
In
the
beginning,
you
had
a
place
there
where
you
were
going
to
have
low-income
people,
house
and
they've
sort
of
fell
by
the
wayside,
and
you
know
that's
one
of
my
favorite
topics
here,
because
I'm
on
the
metropolitan
Housing
Authority
also
and
I
just
came
from
a
meeting
from
there
and
we've
always
need
money
from
housing
for
people
with
low
income,
which
is
not
necessarily
people.
A
G
The
schematic
that
you
had
on
it
still
had
Stone
Ridge
Road
I
thought
only
deep
I
did
that
last
year,
yeah
yeah
and
shows
the
going
past
the
into
the
next
commercial.
Why?
With
the
road?
So
assuming
we
have
to
assume
your
lot
really
ends
or
the
latias
so
right
so
there
for,
because
the
rest
of
that
rope
doesn't
exist
right
all
right,
so
we
would
right,
but
I'm,
saying
and
you're
already
going
to
build
it
to
the
end
of
that
phase.
G
G
G
G
To
the
University
of
States,
that's
all
it
may
just
be
that
by
the
time
you
get
the
phase
done,
it's
gonna
be
eliminated
because
the
next
projects
lost
you
know,
but
technically,
for
my
standpoint,
yeah
we
need
I
like
it
when
the
Livadia,
you
know
vud
ends,
and
it
shows
three
you
want
to
do
one
way
or
the
other.
You
want
to
do
a
call.
The
sacks
if
you
turn
around
or
you're
gonna,
continue
all
the
road.
It's
going
to
move
all
the
way
back
down
the
university
stage.
Bovard,
that's
I,
know.
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G
H
H
H
H
G
G
G
H
H
A
G
A
G
G
G
G
G
G
A
They
did
they
get
approval
to
put
those
ramps
and
things
on
there
a
long
time
ago,
fit
okay.
A
I
That
same
period
of
time
was
when
they
proposed
some
additional
apartment
buildings,
and
so
that
had
to
come
back
through
the
Planning
Commission.
The
station
itself
is
a
little
bit
different
because
it's
privately
held
the
apartments
are
on
lands
leased
from
the
city.
But
mr.
Tremblay
owns
the
station,
and
that
was
part
of
the
agreement,
which
was
part
of
a
that.
Was
a
urban
renewal
project
through
you,
dag
so
that.
I
E
I
I
did
receive
was-
and
you
probably
have
seen
these
before
and
even
as
you
come
in
the
hallway
here,
an
occupancy
permit,
that's
been
approved
by
the
state
of
Ohio
that
the
building
can
be
occupied,
the
way
it
is
or
for
rental
office.
There's
another
little
bit
of
information
in
writing
from
the
state
that
backs
up
the
use
or
the
occupancy
permit,
use
that
occupancy
permit
right
now,
there's
no,
there
are
no
requests
for
any
renovations
to
the
buildings,
simply
just
be
moving
furniture
and
fixtures
in
as
far
as
I
know.
I
That's
what
I
got
with
the
application
didn't
have
anything
to
do
with
building
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that,
because
they'd
heard
quite
a
bit
about
what
the
purpose
of
or
the
use
of
the
station
should
be,
it
was
as
I
read
through
the
record.
It
was
for
commercial
purposes,
and
I
saw
that
there
were
a
group
of
people
represented
by
Tom
s
locker,
who
actually
wanted
to
buy
it
and
put
some
kind
of
commercial
use
in
Pat
sabor
when
to
put
McDonald's
in
there
I
saw
in
the
record.
I
G
A
G
I
A
That
used
to
be
that
was
open
and
wahoo
n
was
open
and
they
closed
it
in
so
that
I
think
when
you
look
at
at
the
left-hand
side,
when
it
was
first
built,
was
where
they
had
just
Express
herbs
or
their
parcels
and
their
trunks
and
stuff,
and
then
they
closed
it
in.
But
it's
never
been
that
big
and
I
would
think
if
they
run
a
rental
place,
they
might
want
a
storage
stuff
still
keep
part
of
it.
Storage.
C
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A
I
think
people
didn't
want
it
to
be
a
bar
or
another
bar
or
whatever
I,
don't
know
or
McDonald's
restaurant.
But
you
know-
and
it
was
small
it
was
too
smart-
was
suggested
that
it
be
a
hall
or
a
meeting
place
that
the
restaurants
in
the
area,
the
Restaurant
Association,
used
it
and
they
could
rent
it
out
for
weddings
and
stuff.
But
it's
really
not.
G
E
G
E
I
A
E
A
I
I
I
I
I
But
the
recent
revisions
to
the
code
added
some
phrase
there
that
if
you
couldn't
strictly
meet
the
requirements,
you
had
to
supply
the
Planning
Commission
in
writing.
Why
you
couldn't
and
so
that's
the
process,
then
I've
been
beacon
school
go
through.
So
that's
what
we're
here
doing
the
written
explanation
why
they
can't
do
have
then
copy
the
landscape
regulations
and
what
I
would
like
to
point
out.
I
2030
708
commercial,
institutional
and
industrial
landscaping,
and
it
talks
about
landscaping
required
for
new
developments.
That's
one
category
payment
replacement
greater
than
25%.
That's
category
2
alterations
to
buildings
which
increase
the
floor
area
by
more
than
25%.
That's
category
3
in
alterations
exceed
50%
of
the
at
the
county's
auditors
valuation.
So
there
are
four
categories
where
landscaping
is
required.
I
It's
my
feeling
that
tree
Commission
looks
at
expansions
of
parking
lots
as
new
parking
lots,
but
this
language
is
not
that
specific.
You
know
you
could
say:
well,
it's
not
a
new
parking
lot.
It's
an
expansion
of
an
old
parking
lot.
So
in
a
way,
I'm
kind
of
looking
for
maybe
some
impression
that
you
might
have
about.
Does
it
even
really
need
to
be
landscaped
as
retrofitting
landscaping
or
landscaping?
At
least
of
this
one
little
section
really
required
I.
E
A
I,
don't
think
it
needs
landscaping.
I
see
I
drove
past
worst
parking,
lots
that
are
supposedly
landscaped
that
we
told
them
that
they
had,
they
were
told
they
had,
and
then
they
really,
if
that's
landscaping,
you
know
mice,
don't
I,
don't
think,
rocks
or
landscaping
quite
frankly,
but
it
just
I,
don't
see
what
they
could
landscape
it.
There's
a
fence
right
up
against
it.
The
other
people
have
their
friends
there's
a
strip
of
grass.
A
Then,
where
the
used
to
be
the
school,
you
know
that
other
school
there's
a
chiropractor,
now
he's
to
be
what
you
know:
river
there
there's
bushes
and
stuff
there
they're
a
lot
they're
green
space
over
here
and
there's
one
house
at
the
frontier
with
the
fence
and
then
there's
but
I
mean
I,
don't
see
where
you
would
do
the
landscaping.
Well.
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Because
if
it
was
less
than
seven
thousand
square
feet-
and
they
add
anything
to
it
and
then
they
have
to
retrofit,
the
entire
parking
lot
can
be
done
through
paragraph
a
parking
lot.
That's
under
7,000
square
feet
is
expanded
by
additional
parking
there
vehicle
use
areas.
The
requirements
for
landscape
parking
lots
over
7,000
square
feet
shall
apply
to
both
the
original
parking
lot
and
to
the
area
that
is
being
added.
Alright,.
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G
A
I
mean
I,
don't
see,
I
mean
I.
Their
parking,
lots
and
I
would
complain
about.
As
I
said,
I
went
past,
one
I
thought
that
looks
terrible,
but
then
it's
right
out
in
the
road
right
in
the
main
street,
and
it's
got
you
know
a
tree
here
and
about
a
mile
down.
There's
another
train.
A
couple
of
rocks
thrown
in
so
I
mention
any
names
but
yeah
I.
Just
look
picky
to
me
when
I
went
in
there.
I
thought
this.
I
I,
don't
think
this
is
all
that
bad
either,
because
the
tree
Commission
meets
tonight
and
I
might
point
that
out
to
them
that,
because
they're
in
the
process
now
and
it
is
on
their
agenda
for
tonight,
they
meet
in
this
room
at
7:00
o'clock
tonight,
they're
going
through
proposed
revisions
to
the
landscape
board.
It's
what.
E
H
I
I
think
we'll
be
good
to
point
it
out,
for
example,
these
that
extended
list
of
when
you
have
to
retrofit.
That
was
a
revision
from
the
original
landscape
borders
that
wasn't
included
in
the
originals
and,
for
example,
when
everyone
saw
the
expansion
of
Athens
Mall,
they
tore
the
front
off
did
away
with
the
interior
corridor.
I
I
G
E
G
Part
of
it
so
well,
if
you
have
to
then
conform
totally
to
the
buffers
and
everything
else
there
already
existed,
you,
probably
even
your
expansion
of
you,
might
lose
parking.
I
I
I
guess,
rather
than
look
for
it
and
try
to
find
it,
it
essentially
says
parking
Trump's
trees.
This
happened
to
Kroger's
right.
It
talks
about
renovations
to
a
building
or,
if
there's,
expansion
of
parking,
because
there's
a
big
addition
going
on
the
side
of
Kroger's
right
now
that
took
away
parking.
Well,
the
ordinance
says:
I'm.
Sorry,
I
can't
go
directly
to
it,
but
what
it
says
is
if
you
expand
a
building
in
you,
diminish
parking
and
then
there's
a
conflict
between
landscaping
and
parking
or
parking
rules.
Well,.
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The
things
we
have
to
watch
for
when
we
talk
about
the
impacts
on
retrofitting
buildings
and
when
people
attempt
to
do
renovation
because
we
don't
want
to
make
it
create
such
a
disincentive
to
renovations
that
they
decide.
Well,
it's
going
to
be
more
effective
for
me
to
go,
build
a
new
building
and.
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C
I
One
of
the
I
guess:
phase
2
landscape
ordinances.
First
revision
included
what
some
things
there
mister
hazel
was
talking
about
because
previously
it
said,
if
you
could
meet
the
requirement
she
had
to
go
to
the
Board
of
Zoning
Appeals,
that's
what
the
original
language
said
and
the
board
was
just
creating
variances
because
they
looked
at
the
Lots
and
said
there
isn't
anything
you
can
do,
there's
no
room
to
do
all
this
variance
granted.
E
I
It
the
ordinance
says
that
the
site
plan,
if
the
site
is
so
confined
that
the
strict
requirements
can't
be
met,
the
planted
the
tree
Commission
grants
consolidation
approvals
and
they
do
that
quite
a
bit.
So
I
think
it's
a
good
balance
between
we're,
not
just
going
to.
Let
you
not
do
anything
but
we're
gonna
try
to
work
with
you
to
get
the
best.
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F
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A
A
Yeah,
well,
that's
well,
that's
well,
I!
Don't
think
we
did
remember.
Melissa
we've
talked
about
it,
but
I
think
everybody
was
gone
and
we
mined
to
get
those
forgot
to
schedule
or
something.
So
we
need
to
do
that
three
things.
Okay
and
then
we
have
consider
a
consideration
of
site
review.
Title
41
changes.
We
never
got
them.
We
were
supposed
to
get
the
when
we
had
the
discussion
at
the
last
meeting
and
some
of
you
who
was
there
through.
A
I
I
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A
A
What
weekend
was
at
last
weekend
or
a
couple
weekends
ago,
there
must
have
been
five
monstrous
animals
on
top
of
buildings,
except
five
monstrous
animals
seems
to
me,
and
one
was
on
the
ground
three
there
or
on
I
thought
we
were
trying
to
get
rid
of
those
animals.
They
can't
happy
having
a
special
celebration
that
often
it
was
done.
Would
I
think
that
thanks
I.
A
I
I
I
A
I
couldn't
see
what
the
special
event
was
other
than
he
wants
to
sell
cars,
but
there
were
good
anybody
up.
Did
you
see
them
there
were?
There
was
one
standing
under
then
each
of
the
buildings
had
a
different
one
of
those
they
repeated
before
up
on
there
and
I
was
on
the
way
after
Kroger's,
and
it
was
a
weekend
I'm
sure.
D
A
I
You
look
in
the
section,
I
showed
it
doesn't.
It
essentially
says
you
can
have
a
permit
to
do
it
so,
but
there
was
no
basis
for
denying.
However,
what
what
mr.
hayslett
has
instructed
me
to
do
is
contact
all
of
the
car
dealerships
and
say
that
no
more
balloons
will
be
permitted
with
or
without
a
permit,
because
they've
exceeded
any
reasonable
number
of
special
events,
including
reasonable
number
of
balloons.
This
is
also
going
to
to
include
the
little
balloons.
A
little
helium
balloons.
It's
going
to
include
streamers,
pennants
banners.
F
I
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C
I
Mean
there
are
a
lot
of
people
in
our
inner
us.
I
know
the
chamber
is
because
they
passed
the
sign
ordinance
pushed
it
through
this
group
before
the
whole
zoning
code.
You
know
three
they've
got
those
revisions
done
in
know,
100
to
almost
a
year
ahead
of
the
entire
zoning
code
and
I'm
sure
the
car
dealerships
after
the
next
few
days
will
be
very
interested
in
the
temporary
section.
Two
well.
A
I
talked
to
who
was
at
Debbie's
committee
and
Debbie
is
at
her
community
and
she
she
was
interested,
but
since
they
have
so
many
other
things
on
the
agenda
that
but
I
think
I
really
truly
think
that
there
are
a
lot
of
things
that
need
to
be
done
about
that.
The
other
thing
I
had
a
question
that
I
see
when
I
go
out
and
drive
around
nice
little
noise,
but
today
I
went
out
and
looked
at
things
and
when
I
do
that,
I
come
back
with
my
listing.
A
I
So
they
were
contacted
today
that
the
big
hay
wagon,
with
the
sign
on
it
yeah,
was
not
permitted,
even
if
it
could
be
permitted.
It
was
too
large
and
very
quickly
looks
like
they
hauled
the
trailer
away
in
contact
with
them.
The
big
banners
offsite
advertising-
that's
not
permitted
either
because
Bob
slot
is
not
joined
to
the
landmark
lot.
Therefore,
that's
advertising
off-site,
so
they
said
that
they
would
I
mean
they've,
been
notified
to
take
the
the
banner
down.
F
I
The
kudos
was
also
today,
I,
had
officers
today
down
to
attractions
and
they
they
said
that
sign
had
to
be
removed
from
the
sidewalk
and
couldn't
even
be
on
the
property
because
was
off-site
real
estate
sign.
We
also
stopped
at
the
pub
and
had
them
take
down
a
sign
three
down
on
Mill
Street,
a
couple
Internet
service
banners
hanging
from
from
residential
properties
where
students
are
either
working
for
these
companies
or
getting
a
little
bit
of
advertising
money.
So
you've.
E
C
C
I
C
I
Can
be
considered
some
it's
more
like
speech
than
it
is
sign
it.
Oh
three,
so.
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A
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I
I
A
I
think
something
a
minute
on
the
whole.
Some
of
them
are
on
the
treasure.
Then
your
Northside
me
when
I
saw
Ana
their
interest
in
other
signs
too
I
think
after
all
that
stuff
here
so
I'm
sure
they
would
be
willing.
Each
of
the
neighborhood
associations
should
give
offer
comment.
I
would
think,
ask
them
to
submit
what
they
think,
recommendations
and.
A
E
A
I
Information
that
I
gave
you
regarding
a
state
Supreme
Court
case
Dworkin
Bernstein
versus
panel
Board
of
Zoning
Appeals
has
a
lot
of
information
on
and
about
how
you
can
regulate
temporary
signage,
including
real
estate
signs.
Basically,
though,
what
you
have
to
do
is
go
back
in
and
treat
all
of
all
temporary
signs.
In
the
same
way,
you.
C
I
It
has
to
be
content-neutral
in
its
application,
and
so
but
then
you
would
do
permitting
for
real
estate
signs
and
you'd
makes
a
political
signs
and
real
estate
signs,
and
all
of
them
have
to
have
a
permit,
basically
be
the
same
size
placed
in
the
same
location
and
so
there's
guidance
from
a
recent
state.
Supreme
Court
case
on
how
your
ordinance
should
be
changed.
I
think
I
gave
you
a
copy
to
Painesville
ordinance,
which.
A
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A
I
I
had
drafted
an
ordinance
and
forwarded
it
on
I,
believe
to
council.
Yeah
I
have
copied
ray
and
Rick
on
it
where
I'm
not
too
long
ago.
City
of
Columbus,
because
they'd
had
fires,
we've
got
some
different
things
also
involving
fatalities.
Unfortunately,
in
the
City
of
Columbus
had
passed
new
ordinance
regarding
us
stuff
furniture
and
that
kind
of
thing
I
took
it.
I
A
previous
recommendation
and
I
hadn't
made
that's
been
years
and
years
ago
now,
in
ordinances
from
a
couple,
other
cities
I
believe
Morgantown
West
Virginia,
because
they
know
it
couch
burning
is
a
tradition
at
Morgantown
and
their
fire
department.
These
things
were
all
regulated
under
their
firefighters.
A
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A
A
Have
a
quote:
I
had
a
question
about
that.
Does
that
apply
to
and
we
ran
they're
all
that
I
didn't
bring
it
up
then,
but
when
we
talking
about
that,
how
does
that
affect
somebody
who
has
a
house
and
they
have
three
people
in
there
and
they
use
the
driveway?
Do
those
people
charge
extra
for
that
two
people
to
park
in
the
driveway?
If
it's
a
house
with
three
you
know
like
a
mine
are
one
they
have
to
have
three
spaces
and
they
use
the
driveway
or
a
garage
I
mean.
A
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A
A
If
those
people
in
those
houses,
don't
have
cars
and
theory,
then
they
could
rent
them
out
to
somebody
else,
which
means
I
would
have
all
kinds
of
people
coming
in
now
into
the
neighborhood
walking
in
with
you
know
a
group
of
people
just
to
get
their
car
or
to
park
their
car
and
that
sort
of
thing,
so
you
know,
and
but
if
the
people
lived
there
may
not
have
a
car,
so
are
they
you're
allowed
to
have
three
more
people
rent
it?
No.
I
C
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R2
of
two
and
minimum
to
peruse,
oh,
that
yeah
a
couple
of
different
situations
here,
one
is
where
you
build
one-bedroom
apartments
like
River,
Park
Towers
did
and
they
have
240
parking
spaces
for
120,
one-bedroom
and
efficiency
units,
and
so
what
they
do.
Is
they
please
addition
to
the
park?
I
G
A
E
D
A
H
A
Can
see
the
bigger
places
that
have
that
a
lot
of
parking
but
I,
you
know
I
I
can
smooth
I
can
see.
If
you
have
this
big
thing
like
the
lady
who
has
a
place
behind
the
shops
there
on
Court
Street,
for
you
ever
sheep,
when
she
bought
the
place,
they
were
people.
The
businesses
were
renting
some
of
those
funds.
E
C
A
I
Then
we'll
have
to
go
up
to
every
we'll
have
to
go
to
every
unit.
Make
contact
and
say
is
this
person
who
lives
here?
Is
that
your
car
yeah
so.
E
A
A
A
G
G
But
what's
happening
is
probably
some
of
the
cases
when
you
gonna
have
to
read
the
newspaper
ads
the
approval
track
of
like
in
the
University
courtyard
says,
in
their
advertising
free
parking
spot.
You
know
included
with
Oh
Lakeview.
On
the
other
hand,
you
virt
your
apartment
in
your
interspace.
Well,.
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G
F
A
F
I
I
Cuz,
you
have
to
have
a
30-day
prior
notice
in
the
newspaper
and
they
need
on
top
230.
They
need,
like
Melissa,
said
three
or
four
days
a
week
like
for
zoning
board,
things
I
have
by
Wednesday
one
o'clock.
That's
my
drop-dead
time
for
a
Friday
publication
in
general
you're
talking
three
days,
council.
G
E
G
To
lay
on
the
table,
what's
the
drop-dead
date
that
the
council
action
has
to
be,
why
to
actually
do
the
final
annexation?
We
need
to
find
that
out
from
the
clerk
because
they
may
have
to
tell
them,
but
because
of
our
not
doing
the
legal
that
we
can
or
cannot,
they
may
have
to
run
their
public
hearing
before
they
could
get
us
out
of
our
nation.
For
us,
yeah.