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A
A
Let's
see
we
have
administer
votes
and
we
have
a
guest
here.
So
if
any
place
plans
to
speak,
will
you
swear
affirm
that
you're
telling
the
truth?
Do
you
plan
to
speak
me?
Okay,
Chuck,
yes,
well,
swine
in
already
I
know:
okay,
just
warning
yes.
Okay
also
present
is
Chuck
Mel,
the
interim
co-director
and
Charlie
Rhodes,
Charlene
who's
being
the
minute
taker
now
and
Paulo
the
city
planner.
A
We
have
no
cases
at
this
time.
We
have
a
communication.
This
is
discussion
of
the
beef,
not
so
much
to
be
three-zone,
but
really
the
noise
ordinance
and
respect
to
the
bee
zones
it
has
altered.
We
had
a
resolution,
Oh
308.
It
should
be
in
your
packet
from
City
Council
to
include
ceasing
operations
of
businesses
at
a
certain
time,
as
times,
of
course,
correlate
was
the
noise
ordinance
of
the
city.
A
We
were
discuss
this
at
the
last
meeting
and
it's
been
amended.
Some,
the
one
member
who's,
not
here
as
Chris
fall,
who
essentially
amended
it
to
read,
not
so
much
B,
threes
or
B,
but
B.
Two
DS
and
I
shall
read
this
section:
section:
2300,
407,
a3
eating
and
drinking
entertainment
establishments.
Principal
building
residing
in
a
B
to
D
zone
has
identified
by
Athens
city
code
and
business
conducting
outside
operations,
so
C
Southside
operations,
11:00
a.m.
on
Friday
and
Saturday
at
10:00
p.m.
each
day,
Sunday
through
Thursday.
He
should
have
copy
this.
You
know
that.
A
A
A
D
A
D
C
A
That's
more
of
a
typo.
What
you're
seeing
here
is
that
the
discussion,
the
way
I
understand
it
was
looking
at
the
resolution
ours
are
308,
was
to
include
all
the
beat
three
zones
or
actually
I,
think
yeah
be
three
zones.
I.
Think
the
discussion
I
was
hearing
from
the
dialogue
I've
heard
from
Chris
Paul
is
that
there
are
more
outside
operations
in
the
v2d
zone
and
they
I
probably
might
impact
the
residential
zones
more.
A
The
main
reason
why
I'm
bringing
this
forward
because
I
want
to
get
public
here
and
go
into
this
just
so
we
can
get
some
into
it.
I,
don't
think
from
my
point
of
view
of
the
resolution
needs
the
resolution
as
submitted
from
council
nor
the
amended
version
of
it.
It
fits
the
bill
exactly
but
I
think
we
need
more
input
on
now.
I'll.
Take
suggestions
on
this
well.
E
I
spoke
to
Christine
private
I,
sort
of
expanding
it
to
actually
create
a
code
that
would
oversee
an
outside
eating
establishments,
sort
of
why,
regardless
what
zone
so
that
it's
very
clear
you
know
what
you
know:
wouldn't
it
hours
of
operation
are
how
you
know
tables
can
be
set
outside
where
they
can
be
said,
you
know,
did
you
have
to
seek
a
permit
to
have
tables
outside
on
the
sidewalk?
And
you
know
the
permit
might
have
a
cost
to
it
might
actually
not
be
a
permit.
A
A
Okay,
one
of
the
weak
points
I
discussed
last
meeting
was
this
definition
of
outside
operations.
There
is
a
section
of
code
where
you
can't
have
outside
businesses
and
things
outside,
so
that
covers
part
of
it.
I
know
they
there's
a
section
in
the
B
to
D,
I
think
concerning
tables
in
the
court
Street
area,
and
that
has
has
some
requirements
as
well
in
terms
I.
A
Think
that's
actually
tied
into
the
width
of
the
sidewalk
I
say
so
then,
if
there's
piecemeal
parts
of
this
stuff
ready
but
again,
I
I
thought
this
was
really
trying
to
address
the
noise
more
than
anything
else
and
again,
I
I
think
personally,
I
look
at
it
and
say
it's
more
of
an
administration
problem
how
to
get
enforcement
as
a
present
noise
or
apparently
right,
but
the
fact
is
I'm
trying
to
address
the
the
resolution
from
Council
and
put
it
out
there.
Everybody.
A
Yeah
I'm,
aware
of
that
too,
we
could
always
amend
this
really.
What
I
want
to
is
I
once
set
something
down
and
then
amend
it
from
there.
You
should
have
also
maps
in
your
packet
color
maps
of
the
B
to
D
right
now.
This
is
a
map
from
the
GIS
as
in
CIS
site
and
actually
says
b2,
but
it's
actually
the
B
to
D
zone.
That's
out
there
and
you'll
notice.
It
goes
from
down
to
president
along
court.
Axis
up
to
state
does
not
cover
all
the
way
to
carpenter.
A
If
you've
noticed,
though,
of
course
it's
right
adjacent
to
the
west
of
it
is
an
aura
zone
and
our
three
zone,
so
it
does
and
I
think
this
is
why
it
evolved
where
it
did,
because
you
look
and
say
it
is
right
next
to
one
of
these
zones.
Just
so
just
a
target
of
these
three
zone
would
not
really
fit
the
bill.
Well,.
E
C
A
A
B
A
E
It's
interesting,
it
doesn't
how
it's
how
city
council
approached
it.
You
know
you
could
have
outside
operations.
It
could
be
that
aren't
sort
of
legislative.
What
time
they
they
close
down
so
long
as
they
weren't
200
feets.
At
least
this
sort
of
revision
kind
of
covers
the
whole
zone,
and
that
at
least
seems
like
there's
a
little
more
fairness
might.
A
A
B
A
C
B
C
A
A
C
A
C
A
D
A
A
Yes
again,
any
loud
noise
will
fall
into
the
affect
of
the
noise
ordinance.
Okay,
you
see,
that's
it
I
think
in
one
sense,
this
is
a
this
particular
legislation,
maybe
consider
redundancy
for
our
noise
ordinance
and
again
that's
why
I
mentioned
it's
really
up
to
administration
myself
to
find
a
way
to
actually
enforce
the
the
noise
ordinance
and
that's
been
an
ongoing
discussion
within
the
administration
but
they're
trying
to
address
you
know
through
legislation,
legislative
processes.
Here,
the.
A
A
A
A
A
This
is
under
the
the
2304.
783
is
b3
general
business
zones,
so
it's
really
specific
to
the
business
b3
business
zones.
That's
if
I
understand
that's
the
way.
The
code
is
actually
crafted
right
now,
so
it
falls
in
that
beats.
Rezone,
not
the
b2
zone,
not
to
d-zone,
not
to
be
one's
own
and
and
again
I.
A
B
B
A
A
No
I
mean
okay,
let
okay,
let's
say
if
we
amended
this
to
just
any
business,
because
when
I
look
at
this
I
look
at
the
b1
zone
is
more
impacting
more
neighborhoods
by
definition,
b1
zones
or
more
neighborhood
zones
in
general
and
I
did
not
bring
a
map
over
to
me
wrong.
There's
about
four
of
them
in
town
I
think
is.
B
A
E
A
E
What
Paul
saying
what
is
nice
about
this?
It's
narrow
enough
that
it's
sort
of
hard
to
mess
up
on
its
it's
so
clear,
it's
your
and
b2!
If
it's
passed
these
hours,
there's
no
measuring
or
anything
like
that.
You're
in
that
zone,
you
have
to
cease
operation
at
this
time.
I
think
that
is
enough
to
get
people
to
start
talking
about
it,
maybe
but
having
the
public
think,
broader,
broader
and
how
it
affects.
You
know
they're
doing
this
here.
E
What
could
the
end
of
doing
these
other
places
and
that's
what
a
feedback
that
might
be
interested
in
the
move
might
help
craft?
You
know
much
larger
sort
of
legislation
that
can
be
adopted
into
the
code
to
help
you
know
check
out
what
he's
hoping
up.
What
can
I
okay,
yeah
I
can
approve
your
plans,
they're
fine
and
things,
but
you
know
you
don't
want
to
get
down
the
road
and
then
new
legislations
passed
that
hurts
that
business
that
what
they
were
thinking
they
are
fine
because
they
weren't
it
than
be
Tuesday.
E
A
A
But
although
I
look
and
say
the
be
ones
to
mind,
not
mine
or
more
neighborhood
oriented
the
be
to
deed,
there's
very
little
be
too,
and
this
is
the
only
B
to
D
and
the
b3.
If
you
look
at
that
map,
it
covers
quite
a
bit
at
this
point
and
it
would
impact
quite
a
bit
and
I
think.
That's
then,
then
we're
into
real
broad,
strokes
and
again
I
think
we
will
get
all
lots
of
feedback
because
it
will
affect
almost
every
business
uptown
once
ever.
A
E
A
B
C
A
C
A
C
B
A
B
A
B
E
A
E
A
Is
that
a
is
that
acceptable
to
everybody
noon?
18Th,
okay
and
I
suspect
we'll
get
input
before
then.
Okay
and
we'll
have
to
put
a
public
notice
out
and
we'll
probably
need
to
print
up
a
couple
extra
copies
of
the
the
ordinance
as
it
stands
right
now,
I
suspect
would
also
get
feedback
from
City
Council
themselves
just
because
it
has
been
modified.
D
A
E
A
A
C
A
B
A
C
A
A
A
D
A
A
B
B
B
A
I
know:
I
have
a
about
half
the
people
earn
their
I
think
I've
got
out,
have
to
response
about
maybe
three
or
three
people
so
I'll
need
more
people,
but
I'll
get
them
pulled
together.
I
did
develop
a
packet
for
that
probably
need
to
amend
that
packet
and
had
things
just
so.
We
have
a
new
part
of
the
sign
origin,
of
course,
coverage
the
political
signs.
A
Was
wine
but
I
didn't
bring
it
up?
Yes,
okay,
so
they're,
really.
What
we're
looking
at
is
not
a
whole
entitled
revamp,
but
more
like
how
does
it
need
to
be
changed
and
I
have
several
members
and
and
I
don't
remember
who
they
are
I
know
chamber,
one
would
be
involved,
Larry
pain,
I,
think
ed,
Baum
expressed
interest
and
anybody
else
who's
willing
to
sit
down
through
this
we're
basically
trying
to
put
a
subcommittee
together.
One
of
the
marching
orders
we
had
earlier
in
the
year
was
to
cover
various
areas.
A
I
think
my
subcommittee,
which
I
have
yet
to
do,
would
be
in
terms
of
contracting
licensing.
Contractors
was
in
a
city
I've
been
approached
by
some
citizens
to
say
we
want
to
get
this
up
and
rolling
again,
but
the
actual
wording
and
where
that
cut
off
is,
as
you
have
to
be
determined-
and
this
was
kicked
around
about
two
years
ago,
because
you
know
we
don't
have
any
way
to
track
contractors
within
the
city
and
then
that's.