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Athens Planning Commission - January 19, 2023
A
All
right
welcome
once
again
to
the
Planning
Commission.
It
is
Thursday
January
19th
hard
to
believe
we're
already
halfway
through
January.
It
is
a
little
after
12
o'clock
looking
up
and
down
the
dice.
We
do
have
a
quorum
minus
one,
commissioner
and
there's
I,
don't
think
anybody
who's
going
to
speak
before
us,
no
okay,
so
we
have
the
disposition
of
the
December
1
meeting
minutes.
B
A
B
A
Communications
we
do
you
know.
Last
week
we
were
sitting
there
looking.
What
do
we
have
on
our
agenda,
knowing
that
we
didn't
have
anything
in
terms
of
communications,
for
projects
in
the
city
or
development
and
therefore,
having
looked
through
the
2040
comprehensive
plan,
the
or
visioning,
knowing
that
there's
one
of
the
things
that
needs
to
come
through
the
Planning
Commission?
A
If
this
commission
so
chooses
to
pick
it
up
is
looking
at
the
zoning
changes
that
were
recommended
by
communities,
communities
that
are
surrounding
gateways
into
the
city,
as
well
as
our
neighborhoods,
the
different
neighborhoods
within
the
city
itself,
and
so
I
know
that
director
Stone
you
and
I
both
identified
some
areas
that
I
thought
felt
like.
We
should
start
that
conversation
going.
There
was
some
areas
on
within
the
West
Side
neighborhood,
as
well
as
the
Stimson
Avenue
Corridor,
and
we
can
actually,
you
know,
address
any
others
that
we
may
come
across.
D
You
know
a
widened
sidewalk
on
the
one
side
to
be
able
to
support
bike
and
pedestrians
on
the
one
side
of
the
street
and
then
also
a
lot
of
stuff
under
the
ground.
So
water
sewer
storm
upgrades.
You
know
fiber
optic
conduit
to
be
available
for
future
use,
and
so
you
know
we
really
made
a
lot
of
the
gains
on
that
Simpson,
Avenue,
Corridor
and
now
we're
really
talking
about.
How
can
we
promote
Economic,
Development
and
Redevelopment
in
the
students
Menominee
Corridor?
D
Given
the
goals
in
our
plan,
any
incentives
or
tools
that
the
city
could
use
to
promote
that
Redevelopment
in
that
area
to
include
tiffs
as
a
as
one
mechanism
but
and
then
perhaps
any
other
other
mechanisms,
and
so
so
there's
actually
a
series
of
stakeholder
meetings
that
are
going
to
happen
here
in
the
next
couple
weeks,
driven
by
the
EDC
and
the
consultant
from
American
structure.
Point
where
we're
going
to
meet
with
the
local
business
owners,
Property
Owners
Realtors,
who
have
to
market
the
area
neighborhood.
D
Hope,
yeah
neighborhood
associations
for
sure
to
to
you
know
talk
about
what
Simpson
Avenue
could
and
should
look
like
and
how
we
could
promote
economic
Redevelopment
along
the
Cincinnati
Corridor,
our
comprehensive
plan
in
Stimson.
You
know
before
we
jump
into
the
West
Side
talks
about
and
specifically
on
page
68
and
the
comprehensive
plan
changing
the
zoning
to
b2d
or
something
similar
that
would
reduce
the
need
for
more
surface
parking
and
encourage
pedestrian
scale,
design
and
and
really
what
we're
talking
about
there
is
the
the
p2d
concept
allows
for
business
parking.
D
Not
requirements
on
the
ball.
Control
is
not
to
be
met
for
businesses
that
go
into
a
particular
area.
That's
what
we
do
in
the
in
the
Uptown
area,
where
we
say
b2d
that
that
parking
is
served
by
the
parking
garage.
So
if
you
go
and
put
in
a
new
business
in
an
area,
you
don't
have
to
meet
the
minimum
number
of
parking
spaces
for
the
type
of
business.
Now
it
doesn't
apply
to
residential
I.
Think
it's
also
something
that
we
can
talk
about
when
we
look
at
Stimson
Avenue.
D
Most
specifically,
you
look
at
the
large
surface
parking
lot.
That
was
required
for
Palmer
Place
when
it
went
in
at
the
corner
of
Stimson
East
State,
and
you
know,
even
in
the
height
of
the
you
know,
the
the
school
year
that
sits
about
half
full.
So
is
it
necessary
to
have
that
amount
of
parking
for
the
residential
in
the
particular
area?
So
I
think
that
you
know
in
our
goals
to
increase
density
in
our
near-end
neighborhoods
and
devote
less
viable
land
to
surface
parking.
A
So
let
me
read
this:
this
is
again
page
68
of
the
comprehensive
plan
and
it's
the
Stimson
Avenue
Corridor
and
it
says
basically
moving
forward,
and
you
know
there
was
a
lot
of
community
input
that
went
into
certainly
the
the
neighborhoods
themselves,
but
they
had
the
opportunity
as
well
to
speak
on
our
corridors.
So
in
the
moving
forward
section
of
this,
it
said
this
plan
recommends
a
change
in
zoning.
A
A
b
three
is
three
and
a
half
stories
and
that
that
is
referenced
in
here
as
well
as
you
read
further
through
this
document,
but
again
I'm
jumping
ahead
a
little
bit
within
that
moving
forward.
It
said
states
that
this
plan
recommends
exploring
changes
to
the
intersection
of
carpenter,
stimpson
East,
State
Street
in
order
to
increase
pedestrian
safety
and
ease
of
use.
A
D
As
I
think,
we've
briefed
the
the
commission,
you
know
we're
very
close
to
having
a
funding
in
place,
assuming
success
with
the
Appalachian
communities,
grant
that
we
feel
confident
in
our
application
for
redevelopment
of
the
Armory
into
a
shared
co-work
facility
that
that
is
also
available
for
events.
And
so
you
know,
as
we
look
at
Carpenter
Street
specifically
I,
think
there
are
some
recommended
changes
in
here.
D
Find
it
I'm
hearing
the
plan,
the
single
family
rental
Parcels
on
Carpenter
plant
recommends
changing
the
zoning
of
the
single-family
rental
Parcels
on
Carpenter
to
permit
townhouse
style
development.
This
location
could
be
ideal
for
a
new
market
rate,
senior
housing
or
non-student
housing
for
people
or
who
want
to
live
near
uptown
campus
in
public
transportation.
So
you
know
really
what
we're
talking
about
is
the
area
from
East
State
Street,
really
through
probably
the
Armory
and-
and
you
know,
when
I
look
at
the
zoning
map.
D
A
It
might
worth
as
well
looking
to
look
at
extending
it
up
to
Congress
with
Mount
Zion
Church
is
located.
You
know,
because
there
are
some
I
think
those
homes
that
that
sit
there
between
the
Masonic
temple,
Lodge
and
Mount
Zion
Church,
that
those
are
I
know
that
they
are
they're
they're
rental
units
right
now,
former
single-family
homes
that
are
rentals
and
on
the
other
side
of
the
street
as
well
right.
B
You
know
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
student
housing
there
and,
and
you
know,
we
need
to
meet
the
needs
of
those
students,
but,
on
the
other
hand,
I
I
still
think
that
I
would
like
to
see
businesses
there
that
go
beyond
things
that
are
just
focused
on
students.
You
know,
and
so
I
mean
I,
don't
know
what
how
that
fits
into
the
that
that
overall
concept
but
I
think
that's
important.
In
my
mind,
it
is
anyway
to
be
more
diverse
in
the
Uptown
area,
not
necessarily
find
it
to
just
turn
it.
B
You
know
over
to
students
or
stuff,
and
then
you
know,
maybe
other
people
are
there
during
the
lunch
hour
because
they
work
there
with
the
students.
But
anyway,
that's
just
a
thought.
I
I,
I
I
want
to
spend
a
little
more
time.
Thinking
about
that,
not
that,
what's
being
proposed,
I,
don't
necessarily
agree
with
I
I
do
I
do
think.
We
need
to
look
at
that,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
real
thoughtful
about
you
know
what
does
this
mean
to
the
types
of
businesses
that
can
survive
and
live
there.
E
Foreign,
so
I'd
like
to
start
by
saying
that
we
had
a
Corridor
group
with
previous
mayor
actually
and
I
had
Columbus
Road,
so
I'm
not
sure
I'm
really
up
to
speed
on
this,
but
I
do
think
that
a
lot
of
the
things
went
back
to
even
that
period.
Paul
was
with
us
at
that
point
and
he
encouraged
us
to
go
ahead,
but
I'm
a
little
bit
worried
here
comes
the
hard
part
I'm
a
little
bit
worried
about
intensification
of
land
use
in
a
sporadic
way.
E
I've
had
I
had
my
students
often
do
study
of
what
would
happen
if
they
worked
on
that
area
and
one
of
on
the
south
part
of
this
area,
not
a
carpenter
but
whatever
it
was
still
South
Stimson,
and
it
seemed
to
me
that
there
was
quite
a
bit
of
interest
in
the
next
street.
What
would
happen
if
that
went
on
because
there'd
be
an
intensive
occasion
of
land
use
and
there
would
be
fewer
cars
able
to
park
there?
E
F
C
F
Other
types
of
rental,
housing,
rental
properties,
maybe
a
little
more
in
a
third
somewhere
in
that
range,
it's
still
predominantly
single
family
homes
and
accessory
dwelling
units,
and
things
like
that,
I
think.
The
kind
of
proposal
you're
talking
about
a
b2d
for
Stimson,
with
a
slightly
lowered
height
requirement
for
the
north
side
of
the
street,
would
be
acceptable,
I
think
and
it
wouldn't
have
a
severe
impact
on
the
neighborhood.
One
thing
that
already
is
a
fantastic
benefit
for
the
neighborhood.
F
We
have
about
800
homes
in
the
neighborhood
there
it's
walking
distance
to
go
to
Simpson,
so
none
of
us
have
to
drive
I
walk
all
the
time
to
go
to
the
pharmacy,
the
post
office,
the
busy
day
the
liquor
store
there,
the
bike
shop
when
it
was
there
and
hopefully
there'll-
be
something
replacing
that
there
was
a
proposal
for
something
and
hasn't
happened
yet,
but
Chinese
restaurants,
there.
So
there's
a
number
of
and
more
more
is
coming
in,
like
Jackie
O's
bake
shop
is
now
on
the
street.
There
too.
F
So
there's
there's
a
lot
of
great
things
already
happening
there,
but
some
Redevelopment
to
to
I
think
further
densify
businesses
and
housing
there
I
think
would
be
beneficial
for
the
neighborhood
actually
and
maybe
take
some
of
that
pressure
off
the
student
student
housing
and
maybe
there's
been
a
couple
houses
on
Morris
that
have
been
converted
from
student
housing
to
single-family
rental,
so
completely
remodeled,
and
now
there
are
family.
You
know
living
in
that
building.
F
F
As
far
as
parking
requirements
like
I
said,
the
neighborhood
I,
don't
think
the
neighborhood.
Some
people
will
still
want
to
probably
drive
down
there,
but
but
it
is
walkable
easily
from
the
entire
neighborhood
and
that's
a
lot
of
customers
right
there,
plus
the
student
housing
all
walkable.
To
get
there
too.
The
student,
you
know
Mill
Street,
whole
Mill,
Street
area
is
walkable
to
there
too.
F
Metering,
the
spaces
that
Iran
Stimson
might
make
sense.
Those
are
not
metered
now,
there's
not
a
lot
of
them,
and
it
was
nice
that
the
street
could
be
designed
to
include
bicycle
and
pedestrian
access
on
the
sidewalk.
You
can
think
sure
to
use
path
area
and
keep
some
of
the
parking,
because
the
original
proposal
was
a
bike
lane
that
would
have
really
taken
up.
The
parking
possibilities
in
the
street
would
have
had
almost
no
parking.
So
that's
nice,
there's
some
parking
on
Palmer.
F
F
A
A
I'm
glad
you
you
had
mentioned
Mr
delac,
the
that
parking
that's
on
Palmer.
You
know
that
is
City
parking
right
up
against
the
pro
Coast
building
across
from
the
hockey
Valley
Bank
I
know
that
that
there
have
been
concerns
from
the
commission
on
disabilities
when
it
comes
to
the
Ada
parking
spaces
that
exist
on
stemson
Avenue.
But
the
challenge
becomes
the
angle,
and
then
it
was
just
part
of
how
that
had
to
be
designed
because
of
the
tight
space
in
which
to
to
build
the
wider
sidewalks
and
whatnot.
A
But
there
is
a
curb
cut
right
next
to
the
restaurant
down
the
street
from
the
busy
day
market
across
the
street
from
Hawking
Valley
Bank,
and
so
it's
something
that
I
think
we
could
certainly
look
at
is
putting
the
Ada
parking
over
next
to
the
pro
Coast
Building.
You
know
which
then
they
can
just
access
the
curb
cuts
and
cross
over
to
the
other
side
of
the
street,
as
opposed
to
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
maneuver
in
those
parking
space.
F
A
tool
that,
yes,
you
can
so
yeah.
The
commission
just
discussed
this
very
issue
last
night
and
they
are
building
a
project
list
to
try
and
track
the
things
that
they
would
like
to
see
addressed,
and
this
is
the
first
one
on
the
list.
So
they
definitely
like
to
discuss
it
and
and
continue.
They've
talked
to
the
engineers
a
couple
times
about
it,
but
there's
not
been
any
status
updates
or
they
don't
know,
what's
happening
or
somebody's,
even
thinking
about
it
still
so
FYI.
A
A
D
Of
the
notes
related
to
metered
spaces
versus
unmuted
spaces,
so
just
a
little
history
in
this
area
is,
is
we
used
to
have
meter
spaces
on
Stimson
and
they
were
pretty
severely
underutilized,
and
so
we
pulled
those
meters
and
went
to
two
hour
spaces.
We
kept
two
hour
spaces
during
after
the
Simpson
project.
If
there
was
an
intensification
there's
nothing
to
say
that
we
couldn't
go
back
to
metered
spaces
along
Simpson
Avenue.
D
E
But
it
would
be
a
while.
I
was
also
wondering
about
the
b2d
and
the
first
floor
requirement
for
business,
because
I
was
concerned
about
the
one
that
I
voted
against
Carpenter
and
Grosvenor
and
I
think
it's
turned
into
some
kind
of
vaping
place
now,
and
it
was
I
mean
not
a
great
idea
of
folk
I'm
not
opposed
to
it
or
in
favor
of
it.
But
I
think
that
maybe
we
should
as
you're
talking
about
it.
We
can
reconsider
them
the
requirement
for
a
first
floor
business.
That's
some
locations.
C
E
D
C
D
You
know
I'm
I
would
be
opposed
to
modifications
that
change
any
of
our
zoning.
That
currently
has
a
requirement
for
first
four
business
that
to
to
get
away
from
that,
and
the
reason
is,
as
the
as
the
person
responsible
for
you
know,
running
the
operations
of
the
city
at
Silverlight
on
on
income
tax.
D
D
C
D
You
know
communities
in
you
know
Appalachian
Ohio,
that
had
vibrant
downtowns
at
one
point
because
of
demographic
shifts
and
economic
shifts,
you
know
they
they
got
away
from
it
and
then
you
know
they
got
a
bunch
of
you
know.
You
know
apartment
fronts
in
a
business
Zone,
otherwise,
which
I
think
is
a.
E
B
And
and
we're
really
just
talking
about
very
little
from
what
I've
heard
thus
far
of
our
discussion
very
little
conversion
of
residential
space
to
business
space.
We're
not
talking
about
growing
the
business
component.
Very
much
we're
talking
about
making
some
adjustments
to
the
business
components
going
to
r2d,
but
it
or
I
mean
b2d,
but
it's
already
B
I
think
it's.
D
B3,
in
most
cases,
yeah
yeah,
okay,
so
it's
just
that
that
b,
Zone
the
B3
Zone
has
parking
requirements
tied
to
that
first
floor:
business.
Okay,
you
know
one
of
the
things
that
that
we've
heard
is:
we've
talked
to
a
couple
developers
about
Simpson
Avenues
and
push
pulling
and
or
fortunately,
depending
on
how
you
you
want
to
say
it
is
the
the
rental
residential
units
on
Simpson
Avenue
are
are
nice
in
our
and.
E
Yeah
yeah
and
I'm
not
too
excited
about
the
senior
housing,
even
though
I'm
a
senior
downtown
I
think
it's
not
necessarily
a
good
idea,
because
I
think
they'll
do
better
on
a
side
of
different,
very
where
there
isn't
so
much
congestion
and
so
on.
But
who
am
I
I'm
not
going
to
move
into
it
anymore,
at
least
as
far
as
I
know,.
A
Okay,
well,
that's
the
stimpson
Avenue
slash
Carpenter
Corridor,
the
other
area
that
we
were
going
to
at
least
just
start.
The
conversation
on
is
the
west
side
and
if
I
may,
there's
two
components
to
this
with
the
west
side
that
we've
identified,
one
of
them
is
on
page
26
within
our
Economic
Development
entrepreneurship
and
Tech
area
of
the
comprehensive
plan.
So
this
is
more
looking
at
West
Union.
A
I,
don't
know
if
it's
in
this
section
necessarily
with
State
Street,
but
that's
the
intersection
that
has
Stuart
McDonald
on
it.
It
Washington
Street,
is
the
one
that
has
The
Cider,
House
I,
think
we.
You
could
also
include
the
West
Side
Distillery,
which
is
kind
of
behind
there.
Miller's
chicken
is
within
that
footprint.
There
are
former
frontages
former
business
frontages
that
are
along
Washington
Street
that
have
since
been
turned
into
just
complete
rental
units,
but
I
think
that's
part
of
this
conversation
as
we
look
forward.
A
A
No,
it
doesn't.
It
includes
the
intersection
of
Washington
and
Schaefer,
but
again
as
we're
looking
at
ways
to
improve
the
city
in
a
lot
of
ways,
I
think,
historically,
that
area
of
Schaefer
was
kind
of
the
hub
for
the
west
side,
for
amenities
to
where
it
became
walkable,
where
people
could
get
some
of
the
things
they
need.
A
A
D
D
D
Though
one
other
note
that
I
I
would
kind
of
bring
up
as
we're
thinking
about
this
particular
area,
is
you
know
with
the
new
Russ
Opportunity
Center,
the
area
to
the
to
the
you
know,
the
former
HDL
and
the
rail
yard,
and
parking
lot
to
the
west
of
there?
You
get
the
Ohio
Lottery
building
and
then
you've
got
a
fairly
large
parking
lot.
That
is,
that
is
underutilized
that
actually
has
front
edge
on
Shaver
Street
right
there
kind
of
the
intersection
of
five
well,
it
could
be,
it
could
be
accessed
it.
C
E
D
Right
now,
but
it
could,
it
could
have
access
if
needed,
and
that
is
an
area
that
could
get
redeveloped
depending
on
how
we,
how
we
Zone
I,
think
right
now,
it's
zoned
about
three
of
them
not
mistaken
and
take
a
quick
look
at
that.
But
you
know
there's
been
a
couple
proposals
in
the
past
for
that
little
section
there
they
kind
of
down
below
buyered.
E
A
The
next
steps
would
be
really
to
to
hone
in
on
what
are
the
boundaries
of
what
we're
talking
about
with
the
rezoning
when
we're
talking
b2d
for
Stimson
Avenue.
Is
it
do
we
just
Target
Campbell
to
the
roundabout,
or
do
we
look
at
say
Palmer
to
the
roundabout?
Do
we
look
even
further
and
think
East
State
Street
to
the
roundabout
on
the
south
side?
But
you
know
in
the
comprehensive
plan.
B
C
C
B
D
Changes
can
come
from
a
couple,
different
directions
and
one
of
them
is
is
initiated.
Yeah
owner
scan,
that's
one
way.
Counselors
themselves
can
and
then
the
Planning
Commission
can
and
there's
a
process
and
in
the
code
for
each
of
those,
and
in
this
particular
instance,
the
Planning
Commission,
taking
input
from
the
comprehensive
plan
and
then
making
a
recommendation.
Based
on
that
on
specifics,
you
know,
and
so
I
would
I
would
recommend
that
we
try
to
get
the
American
structure.
D
Point
economic
development
plan
for
stems
and
Avenue
that
we're
paying
for
or
the
city's
not
paying
for
but
jobs
Ohio
is
paying
for
to.
You
know,
provide
us
that
map
basically
and
then,
and
then
you
know
we
as
a
as
a
Planning
Commission.
You
know,
tweak
it
and
then
and
then
put
forward
the
recommendation
council,
at
least
in
the
Stimson
absolutely
well.
B
So
I
would
recommend
that
you've
guys
you
have
spent
time
looking
at
this
and
thinking
about
this
and
I
would
recommend
that
we
put
together.
The
area
we
put
together
is
as
large
as
you.
You
think
it
should
be.
If
it's
beyond
what
the
comprehensive
plan
says,
that's
okay,
I
I
think
we
should
do
that
and
then
we
can
always
tweak
it
back.
But
from
my
perspective
is
that
it
would
be.
It
would
be
a
terrible
thing
if
we
made
it
too
small
and
later
found.
B
A
I
agree,
so
I
think
is
the
structure.
Point
conversation
begins
and
start
going
through
that
process
for
the
Stimson
Avenue
Corridor
that
once
that's
finalized
that
we
can
bring
forward
to
us
again
and
then
we
sit
there
and
make
a
determination
on
that
and
as
as
director
Stone
saying,
then
it
goes
forward
to
council
and
Council
can
take
it
up.
A
I
just
feel
strongly
and
so
and
then
for
the
West,
Side,
Andy
and
I
can
get
together
and
figure
out
what
makes
the
most
sense
and
recognizing
that
there's
actually
three
downtown
Redevelopment
districts
that
are
kind
of
in
that
area
and
figure
out.
Okay,
what's
the
the
makes,
the
most
sense
for
what
the
boundaries
of
of
b2d
looks
like
in
that
area?
A
C
A
D
B
E
E
D
D
Something
we
could
do
is
we
all
kind
of
know
what
b2d
is,
but
something
we
could
do
is
we
could
do
a
zoning
overlay?
That's
specific
to
this
area
that
has
its
own
special
characteristics
and
an
example
for
a
zoning
overlay
is
the
source
water
protection
area
that
that's
one,
that's
overlaid
on
a
particular
area.
It
goes
over
several
different
zones
and
it
modifies.
You
know
what
can
and
can't
be
done
in
that
particular
case.
It's
more
restrictive.
E
D
D
D
E
D
C
A
A
I
guess
we're
looking
for
or
looking
at
this
I
think
you
know,
council,
member
McCary,
you
know
I
know
that
he
really
really
pays
attention
to
the
comprehensive
plan,
as
we
all
should
and
I
think
we
do
by
and
large.
But
you
know
to
see
things
that
are
achievable
things
that
we
can
sit
there
and
begin
to
really
address
when
it
comes
to
the
comprehensive
plan.
D
So
I
did
one
other
item
on
this.
Okay,
so
I
I
think
it's
it's
relevant
to
this
discussion,
even
though
it's
not
in
these
two
areas,
so
I've
been
a
member
of
the
The
Ridges
Advisory
board
for
for
a
number
of
years,
and
just
by
virtue
of
the
position
that
I
mean
and
Ohio
University
is
getting
much
closer
to
moving
forward
with
this
endeavor
called
the
new
community,
Authority
NCAA
and
creating
NCAA,
and
that's
not
just
the
university.
D
That's
the
city
of
Athens,
as
well
as
Athens
County
I'll,
have
to
be
in
favor
to
create
this
new
community
Authority,
but
I
I
don't
have
the
exact
dates,
but
in
the
next
few
months
there
are
going
to
be
at
least
two
public
meetings.
Talking
about
that
and
I
think
that
this
this
body
basically
probably
should
be
one
of
the
receiving
entities
on
one
of
the
presentations.
D
A
All
right,
thank
you.
Sir
I
know
that
we
have
David
Riggs
director
of
of
development
code
enforcement,
I'm
not
going
to
put
you
on
the
spot
because
I
don't,
unless
you
have
anything
burning
that
you
want
to
share
with
this
body.
I
didn't
think
so,
but
David
thanks
for
being
here
and
at
least
listening
in
opportunities
for
citizens
to
speak
on
items
not
covered
by
the
agenda
or
on
the
agenda.
Mr
Black.
Anything.