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Athens Planning Commission - September 7, 2023
A
Good
afternoon
and
welcome
to
the
Athens
Planning
Commission
meeting,
it
is
September
7th
at
12
p.m.
Looking
up
and
down
the
dice
I
see
that
we
do
have
a
quorum
with
all
members
present
and
we
don't
have
anybody
here
in
the
council
chambers
today
for
the
public
hearing
on
the
University
Estates
planned
unit
development,
PUD,
stead,
court
and
Broadmoor,
but
it
is
a
public
hearing
so
that
we
meet
the
guidelines
for
discussing
the
Pud.
The
someday
we'll
be
up
there
on
Homestead
Court.
A
B
B
B
D
A
Person
who
just
showed
up
Mr,
Rob
delac
all
right,
then
I'm
going
to
call
the
public
hearing
closed
and
go
straight
into
the
regular
meeting
again
establishing
the
Quorum.
We
do
have
a
quorum
disposition
of
the
minutes
from
August
3rd
of
2023.
Hopefully
everybody
everyone
has
had
a
chance
to
read
through
those
minutes.
C
C
A
E
So
I
I'm
I
kind
of
stepping
in
for
for
director
Riggs,
since
he
is
sick
today,
but
the
reason
that
we
had
this
meeting
and
it
has
come
back
before
Planning
Commission-
is
because
we
didn't
definitively
say
that
the
previous
exercise
of
of
the
communication
and
then
subsequently
the
case
was
a
public
hearing
and
a
public
hearing
is
was
necessary
in
order
for
a
PUD
and
a
subdivision
to
go
before
city
council,
and
so
that
now
is
being
done.
We
technically
already
approved
this
case.
E
If
you
know
we
in
the
minutes
we
just
approved,
we
noted
in
those
minutes
that
the
last
time
we
met
we
approved
this
case
so
I,
don't
know,
sir,
that
we
need
to
to
do
another
step
to
approve
this
case.
We
can,
if
we
need
to
if
anyone
has
any
further
further
discussion
on
that,
just
to
just
to
kind
of
have
a
belt
and
suspenders
approach,
but
the
other
thing
that
I
wanted
to
share
with
commission
members
is
since
this
case
came
before
the
commission.
E
The
developers
have
come
to
the
city
and
indicated
that
it
is
no
longer
financially
viable
to
build
this
project.
Even
with
the
arrangement
that
the
city
struck
with
them
to
utilize,
a
tiff
mechanism,
tax
incremental
financing
to
help
offset
the
cost
of
infrastructure,
basically
the
the
plans
that
we
approved,
the
estimate
on
the
infrastructure
construction
for
this
site
came
back
more
than
double
what
the
contractors
were
expecting
to
be
able
to
make.
E
E
The
interest
would
actually
cost
more
than
they
would.
They
wouldn't
be
able
to
pay
down
the
debt,
because
the
the
interest
costs
associated
with
today's
financing-
and
so
you
know
this
is
something
that
is
a
city
I
think
you
know
we
want
to
have
happen
because
we
have
a
shortage
of
housing
in
the
city,
especially
housing,
where
people
can
build
equity.
You
know
and
and
actually
buy
a
place
and
then
build
equity.
E
We
just
don't
have
enough,
and-
and
this
is
this
is
a
you
know-
while
it's
not
a
perfect
development,
it's
a
it's,
a
pretty
good
one
that
that
would
happen,
and
so
I
think
this
is
something
that,
as
a
city,
we
want,
but
right
now
with
a
with
a
mechanism
that
that
we
we
put
in
place
with
the
Tiff
in
order
to
get
this
across
the
the
Finish
Line,
it's
just
not
financially
viable.
So
the
mayor
and
I
are
going
to
look
at.
E
There
other
ways
that
this
could
be
done,
but
you
know
that's
not
for
this
body
to
to
sort
out.
Obviously
that's
a
that's
a
council
decision,
but
but
that's
the
situation
related
to
to
this,
it's
very
very
hard
to
build
housing
and
make
it
make
it
go
in
today's
economy,
with
both
construction
costs
as
high
as
they
are
and
interest
rates
as
high
as
they
are.
E
Right
so
I
would
like
to
you
know,
and
I
and
I
I
asked
that
we
had
this
public
hearing
so
that
if,
in
the
future
their
you
know,
interest
rates
come
down.
There's
another
source
of
funding
to
offset
Capital
costs
that
they're
able
to
find.
Maybe
we
can
find
some
state
or
federal
money
that
can
help
offset
some
of
those
Capital
costs
that
this
body
has
already
approved
it,
and
then
it
can
just
move
forward
to
city
council
without
having
to
go
back
through
Planning
Commission.
A
Let
me
let
me
share
and
I
I
would
like
to
hear
from
the
other
Commissioners
on
this
particular
topic.
As
commissioner
Stone
has
mentioned
this,
you
know
this
is
extremely
disappointing
to
me.
You
know
it.
We.
We
are
very
cognizant
of
the
fact
that
we
are
lacking
in
affordable
housing
here
in
the
city
of
Athens,
we're
we're
lacking
in
housing
period
in
the
city
of
Athens.
A
So
before
I
open
this
up
for
further
discussion,
I
do
want
to
say
that
I
believe
that
we
should
go
ahead
and
vote
on
this
case
and
move
it
forward.
That
way.
Things
are
in
place
in
the
fortunate
event
that
the
developers
worked
or
for
my
administration
were
to
find
a
path
forward
for
helping
with
the
infrastructure
portion
of
this
particular
project,
but
to
kind
of
put
an
exclamation
point
on
what
commissioner
Stone
was
saying.
A
You
know
the
other
issue
was
you
know
that
there
was
a
potential,
a
low-income
housing
tax
credit
project
that
could
have
been
you
know,
deployed
somewhere
in
the
city
of
Athens
again
the
housing
project
that
would
fill
a
need-
and
it
just
seems,
like
you
know,
there's
so
many
gaps
out
there.
Financial
gaps
that
were
unanticipated,
I
believe
that
there
could
be
a
path
forward.
A
A
C
Case
what
I'm
supportive
of
going
ahead
and
voting
on
it
and
approving
it
today
and
setting
it
in
place?
I
fear
that
if
we
do
that
and
there's
a
probably
a
high
probability
that
the
way
the
project
would
develop
out
in
the
future,
if
it
were
able
to
move
forward,
maybe
different
than
what
it
you
know
what
we're
approving
and
they
may
have
to
come
back
anyway.
But
that
said,
I
still
think
it's
probably
a
good
idea
to
approve
it.
C
D
I
agree,
it'd
be
a
great
project.
It's
my
only
ask
would
be
that
and
I
know
director
Stone
you've
been
working
on.
This
is
just
like
a
traffic
light
or
something
to
address
all
the
traffic
that
would
come
from
this
and
the
new
apartments
at
the
bottom
of
the
hill
and
I
know.
That's
that's
in
the
works,
but
I
think
that'd
be
awesome
to
have
that
done
ahead
of
the
this.
If
that
ends
up
working
out
that
way.
D
E
E
D
E
The
way
back,
University
Estates
all
four
phases
intended
to
have
multiple
access
points
into
that
development
and
with
phase
three
and
phase
four
basically
halted
in
for
the
foreseeable
future.
That's
where
those
access
points
to
another
another
way
to
get
in
would
come
from
development
of
those
phase
and
certainly
the
same
doesn't
have
the
resources
to
go
and
build
a
road
just
to
just
to
be
able
to
access
the
back
side
of
the
facility.
So
you.
E
The
egg
thing
right,
you
know
like
we
need
phase
three
or
phase
four
to
develop
in
order
for
us
to
get
a
back
access
to
University,
Estates
or
or
any
of
these
kind
of
peripheral
developments
in
the
city.
But
at
the
same
time
the
the
one
of
the
barriers
to
developing
phase
three
and
phase
four
is:
is
the
opposition
to
more
traffic
associated
with
phase
three
and
phase
four?
But
you
need
them
to
build
in
order
to
get
that
access
right
in
the
back.
E
So
you
know
which
which
development
is
the
one
that
triggers
the
building
of
that
access
road?
You
know,
certainly
it's
not
Homestead
court,
but
maybe
sometime
in
the
future,
you
know
face
three
or
phase
four
could
include.
You
know
allow
for
a
road
to
go
all
the
way
out
to
682,
so
you
don't
have
all
traffic
at
689.
She
said
boy.
C
C
as
as
well
as
not
not
not
in
this
location,
not
where
not
where
University
Estates
discharges
but
near
near
there.
So
I
think
that'll
help,
but
I
also
I
feel
like.
There
also
needs
to
be
slowed
down.
Lanes
there
needs
to
be
more
than
just
really
two
lanes
through
that
area
as
well.
In
addition
to
maybe
a
traffic
light,
I
I
mean
the
engineers
need
to
look
at
that
I
think,
but
but
I
I
just
think
to
be
able
to
to
turn
into
University
Estates.
C
It
would
be
nice
to
have
a
lane
where
you
can
slow
down
to
make
that
right
hand
turn
and
when
you're
coming
out,
maybe
a
center
lane
or
something
I,
don't
know
anyway.
I
just
think
this
that
that
whole
intersection
needs
to
be
looked
at
it
I,
don't
know
that
it's
entirely
a
traffic
signal
issue,
but
it
may
be
a
and
maybe
some
some
other
pieces
anyway.
A
A
E
You
know
merging
things
in
in
you
know:
city
government,
state
government,
things
really
the
housing
and
Trends.
You
know
we
already
talked
about
our
shortage
of
Housing
and
how
hard
it
is
to
build
houses.
You
know
there
are
places
around
the
country
where,
where
tiny
houses
are
getting
built
pretty
regularly
for
things
right
now,
our
code
doesn't
really
make
a
it's
kind
of
hard
to
do
and
make
those
work,
and
if
that's
something
we
want
to
have
you
know
we
need
to
have
some
changes
to
his
running
career
subdivision
regulations.
E
We
probably
need
to
talk
about
what
particular
types
of
buildings
and
what
I'm
getting
at
is
the
Conex
houses
or
the
shipping
container
houses.
Where
you
take
shipping
containers,
you
can
burn
them
to
houses.
Do
we
want
those
in
the
city
at
all?
If
we
do,
you
know
what
zones,
what
configuration
you
know
would
they
have
to
be
modified
to
a
certain
extent,
as
opposed
to
just
popping
down
the
Conex
box
and
having
people
live
in
it
and
you
know
I,
don't
think
we
want
that,
but
I
do
think.
E
The
example
of
subdivision
regulations
right
now,
our
subdivision
regulations,
say
single
family
home
lots
need
to
be
8
000
square
feet
and
if
you
look
at
the
center
part
of
the
city
and
there's
not
a
lot
in
the
center
part
of
the
city,
that's
8
000
square
feet.
Most
of
them
are
about
4
500
square
feet.
If
you
look
at
your
traditional
City
Lots,
but
for
whatever
reason,
we've
got
subdivision
regulations
to
say
the
new
you.
F
E
C
Yeah
I
think
I
think
that
I
agree
with
that.
I
I
think
that
it's
important
to
build
where
the
infrastructure
already
is.
When
we
can,
you
know
to
keep
things
more,
Compact
and
but
I
think
if
you've
got
to
have
that
big,
a
lot
or
or
other
things
that
are
probably
there
in
the
code
that
prohibited
from
really
happening,
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
those
I
agree.
C
I
I
have
a
a
related
about
two
months
ago,
or
so
we
were
presented
with
some
drawing
and
information
about
the
Stimson,
Corridor
and
I.
Just
wonder
if
there's
anything
new
with
regard
to
that
I
I
think
there
was
some
discussion
at
the
time
that
this
may
roll
into
zoning
or
yeah
zoning
changes.
And
is
there
any
update
on
that.
E
Sure,
thank
you
for
the
question.
So
American
structure
point
is
the
is
the
planning
firm
that
we've
been
using
to
look
at
that
they're,
the
ones
who
generated
those
drawings
that
that
we
shared
their
task
is
basically,
by
the
end
of
October,
to
provide
a
series
of
recommendations
out
of
the
study
of
the
Simpson,
Avenue,
Corridor
and
I.
E
Think
one
of
those
recommendations
is
going
to
be
not
necessarily
specific,
partial
zoning
changes,
although
there
may
be,
but
more
an
overlay
Zone
that
would
need
to
come
through
Planning,
Commission
to
review
and
so
they're
getting
close
I
think
to
providing
something
that
is,
is
that
you
know
we
can
discuss
and
obviously
we'll
want
to
do
it
over
a
couple.
A
couple
meetings,
so
I'll
reach
back
out
to
them
and
see
where
they
are.
My
gut
field
would
be
near
the
end
of
the
month.
C
Good
I
had
one
more
thing
so
talking
about
this
housing
and
and
the
difficulty
the
developer
is
having
I
also
been
aware
of.
You
know
what
the
universities
talking
about,
or
the
community
is
talking
about
with
regard
to
the
ridges.
Are
there
things
that
are
different
there?
That
will
allow
that
housing
that
you
know
they
won't
be?
A
A
They
all
fall
under
the
new
community
Authority
and
with
the
new
community
Authority
Things,
Are
I,
don't
want
to
say
they
are
easier,
but
it
affords
a
lot
different
opportunities
for
developers
to
come
in
and
develop
new
or
redevelop
The
Ridges
into
what
could
be
up
to
700
units
housing
units.
Now,
that's
everything
from
a
small
condo
to
a
freestanding
duplex
or
some
some
form
of
housing.
That
would
be
a
newer,
build
on
the
site
or
repurposing
some
of
the
former
Cottages
that
are
on
the
back
side
of
The
Ridges.
E
I
think
Additionally,
you
know
right
now.
The
city
is
putting
in
a
brand
new
12-inch
water
main
on
Dairy
Lane,
as
well
as
a
new
sewer
on
Dairy,
Lane
and
part
of
that
is
to
accept
the
you
know
the
limited
amount
of
sewage
that
we're
going
to
accept
from
the
county
that
area,
so
those
two
infrastructure
costs
would
not
be
included
for
anything
built
along
Dairy
Lane.
Certainly,
there's
already
infrastructure
in
the
ground
up
on
the
kirkbride
campus.
That
could
support
the
Redevelopment
and
then
and
then
we're
building
the
Fairly.
E
Line
across
the
the
southern
land,
the
land
south
of
Dairyland,
but
then
would
be
in
place
that
a
developer
wouldn't
have
to
build,
so
those
are
costs
that
would
be
avoided
and
then
land
costs.
You
know
and
that's
the
other
benefit
of
the
new
community
or
you're,
not
you're,
not
paying
to
buy
that
raw
land
on
the
front
end,
and
you
know
so
subsequently
that
that
savings
is
to
be
had.
Hopefully,
you
could
extend
on
to
to
a
prospective
buyer
of
a
house.
A
C
Well,
I
just
think:
I
I
think
this.
This
community
needs
more
varied
housing.
You
know
not
they're
they're,
I
I
think
there's
a
at
all
levels.
There's
a
lack
of
housing
in
this
community
and-
and
it
seems
as
though
things
aren't
you
know,
the
university
seems
like
their
enrollment
is
pretty
good.
Things
are
growing
a
bit
and
I
I
just
think
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
that
maybe
there
are
other
other
methods
in
place.
Other
ways
that
things
can
go.
C
C
Your
Administration
has
been
working
hard
to
try
to
make
things
better
for
developers,
and
you
know
for
good
good
development
projects,
and
so
I
appreciate
that,
but
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
that
the
what
what's
going
on
with
potentially
The
Ridges
development
portions
that
will
be
developed
may
not
fall
into
the
same.
You
may
not
stumble
the
same
way
or
something
here:
Rising
costs
and
all
that
I
know,
that's
all
a
factor
anyway.
F
You're
representing
it
not
representing
anyone,
other
myself,
I
live
here
in
Athens
on
Morris
Avenue,
so
I
agree
with
this
discussion
is
great
and
would
like
to
see
ways
to
enhance
our
housing
stock
in
the
city.
One
thing
I
haven't
heard
mentioned
is
accessory
dueling
units
and
allowing
those.
So
there
would
be
some
opposition
to
that.
Clearly
in
our
one
neighborhoods,
that's
just
going
to
happen,
but
I
think
that
freezing
R1
neighborhoods
in
time
to
never
change
is
absolutely
the
wrong
approach
and
that's
what
the
people
who
don't
want
to
change
in
those
neighborhoods?
F
That's
what
they
want.
They
want
to
always
stay
the
same,
but
we
need
higher
density.
We
need
some
infill
and
assessor
dwellings
is
one
of
those
things
that
could
be
allowed.
If
you
have
tiny
homes,
for
example,
modular
Modular
Buildings
could
be
brought
in
at
low
cost
to
create
additional
housing
where
it
makes
sense.
But
again,
if
we're
infilling,
our
regulations
currently
are
built
for
those
large
Lots.
F
You
were
talking
about,
commissioner
Stone
and
in
filling
in
the
near
East,
Side
neighborhood,
for
example,
you
have
setbacks,
you
can't
meet,
and
so
there's
variances
every
single
time.
Somebody
wants
to
build
something
and
that's
a
painful
process
to
have
to
go
through
so
loosening
those
regulations,
I
think,
is
key,
but
also
I
would
like
to
see
considerations
about
other
ways.
We
could
leverage
and
infill
in
our
one's
own
city,
which
would
be
critical
to
us.
F
I
think
increasing
our
housing
stock
and
adding
options
for
for
people
so
just
want
to
make
sure
we're
looking
at
the
full
spectrum
of
possibilities.
I
think
is
the
key
and
and
if
you
look
across
the
country,
you've
probably
been
hearing
stories
about
whole
cities
and
whole
states
even
adopting
changes
to
R1
zoning
to
loosen
those
restrictions,
it's
really
key
to
helping
address
our
housing
issues.
F
A
Okay,
I
will
qualify
that
under
opportunity
for
citizens
to
speak
on
anything,
even
though
it
says
it's
not
covered
by
the
agenda
unless
Mr
delac.
If
you
have
anything,
that's
not
on
the
agenda
that
you'd
like
to
speak
to
okay
announcement's,
another
business,
our
next
meeting
will
be
September
21st
at
noon.
12
o'clock,
P.M
here
in
council
chambers.