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Athens Planning Commission - August 3, 2023
A
Good
afternoon
and
welcome
once
again
to
the
Athens
Planning
Commission
meeting,
it
is
Thursday
August
3rd.
It's
hard
to
believe
it's
August
already,
but
it
is.
It
is
about
12
o'clock
P.M
to
begin
with.
We
looking
up
and
down
the
diocese
I
see
that
we
do
have
Quorum
minus
one
individual
who
is
excused
commissioner
Austin
Phillips
would
not
be
here
today
and
for
anyone
who
wishes
to
speak
to
the
commission
on
disabilities.
A
A
B
A
Oppose
same
sign
minutes
have
been
adopted
moving
on
cases,
we
do
have
a
case
before
the
commission
today
and
that
is
case
23
Dash
O2
University
of
States
PUD,
Homestead
Court,
affordable
housing
development
here
in
the
city
of
Athens
up
at
University
of
states
director
Riggs.
Do
you
want
to
give
us
an
update?
We
have
received
documents
on
that
PUD,
but
if
you
would
please
kind
of
walk.
C
C
So
the
purpose
of
a
PUD,
as
you
know,
is
that
if
we
have
a
project
that
that
we
that
we
as
the
city
would
like
to
see
move
forward,
we
can
go.
We
can
go
through
the
planned
unit,
development
process
and
Vary
from
the
strict
interpretation
of
the
code.
That's
that's
set
before
other
types
of
development,
but
there
are
a
lot
of
extra
steps
that
we
have
to
take
here,
so
we'll
go
to
Planning,
Commission
and
we'll
go
to
city
council
for
review
and
approval
as
well.
C
This
this
proposal,
the
proposed
development,
as
you
see
in
my
memo,
has
a
very
non-conformities
from
the
from
the
code
there's
163
non-conformities
to
the
table:
bulk
controls,
ACC
2310.
Those
are
typically
going
to
be
lot
size,
lot,
width,
setbacks,
side,
yard
setbacks
and
lot
coverage.
We
also
have
six
non-conformities
to
the
total,
lock
coverage,
so
we
we
have
impervious
and
then
we
have
total
lock
coverage
as
well.
We
look
at
both
the
six
of
these
Lots.
C
Don't
meet
that
six
Lots
also
require
additional
setback,
deck
setback
non-conformities
and
there
are
three
other
things
we
would
look
at
a
non-conformity
from
the
requirements
of
ACC,
210905
and
06.
That
requires
a
PUD
to
have
at
least
20
percent
common,
open
space
non-conformity
from
ACC
210705
requiring
a
street
to
treat
plan
and
a
non-conformity
from
ACC
270204
requiring
a
stormwater
retention.
Typically,
a
basin
would
be
what
you'd
see
here,
but
we
would
we
would
look
at
waving
those
requirements
from
the
from
the
strict
interpretation
of
the
code.
D
Think
in
this
case
you
know
we're
not
looking
at
a
at
a
major
commercial
use
or
industrial
use,
and
so
I
mean
really
that's
kind
of
a
non-issue,
but
that
is
part
of
our
charge
as
a
commission.
Those
exceptions
from
the
various
requirements
in
the
zoning
code
and
the
and
other
portions
of
the
city
code
that
the
Pud
is
asking
for,
and
you
already
spoke
to
those
and
that
the
existing
and
proposed
Utility
Services
will
serve
the
population
density
that
are
going
in
and
I
think.
D
A
lot
of
this
design
has
to
do
with
the
construction
of
those
utilities
and
I
think
we've
talked
pretty
extensively
about
how
the
the
Tiff
that
was
approved
in
order
to
support
this
is
actually
what's
going
to
offset
the
cost
associated
with
building
building
those
those
utilities.
So
I
think
that,
and
some
of
this
is
a
comment,
but
it
was
there.
C
B
Well,
so
so
there
there
are
two
two
things
that,
as
I've
been
listening
to.
What's
going
on
and
and
and
doing
some
investigation
that
have
me
a
bit
concerned,
one
is
the
side
the
way
the
sidewalks
are
going
to
be
put
in
I.
You
know,
I'm
glad
we're
going
to
get
sidewalks
I.
What
I
do
want
to
make
sure
is
that
those
sidewalks
are
continuous
and
you
know,
and
and
and
so
that
people
can
actually
walk
off.
B
You
know
walk
without
having
to
walk
in
the
street
that
live
in
that
community
and
I.
You
know
so
one
of
my
big
concerns
is
making
sure
we
have
them
and
and
that
they're
continuous
I
don't
know
if
it's
going
to
get
all
the
way
to
the
end
of
the
street
or
exactly
what's
going
to
happen.
But
I
I
have
a
bit
of
a
concern
about
that.
The
other
thing
I'm
concerned
about
is
the
lighting
and
I
and
I
was
wondering
I.
B
B
You
know
it
other
than
that,
as
you
come
into
the
University
of
States,
there's
Lighting
near
the
bottom
near
the
commercial
area
until
you
get
up
to
the
top
and
then
and
then
the
lighting
is
more
sporadic,
there's
lighting
at
each
of
the
street
intersections
and
some
some
and
but
I'm
just
concerned
about
having
enough
light
in
the
community
for
people
to
be
able
to
be
out
and
walk,
and
things
like
that
are
the
I
guess.
One
of
the
questions
I
have
the
the
lights
that
are
a
part
of
the
mailboxes.
B
E
E
B
D
E
It
was
our
hope
that
the
mailbox
lights
would
provide
light
throughout
the
development
and
knew
of
the
fact
that
we
didn't
have
street
lights.
Okay,
they
don't
okay
in
Phase
One.
The
houses
are
too
far
apart.
The
lights
are
pretty
much
worthless
in
phase
two,
which
is
Walnut
Court,
even
though
the
houses
are
closer
together
and
there
are
more
mailboxes
with
lights.
They
don't
that's.
E
Why
we've
actually
been
in
discussions
with
the
city
about
putting
in
additional
street
lights
and
actually
I
just
got
off
the
phone
a
half
an
hour
ago
with
somebody
from
the
AEP
and
that
information
to
the
city
about
10
days
ago,
to
put
in
additional
street
lights
all
the
way
up.
The
boulevard
at
the
same
distance,
pretty
much
on
the
lot
lines,
and-
and
this
has
already
been
approved
by
our
board-
to
sharing
the
cost
with
the
city,
because
we
want
street
lights
and
I
would
share
your
concern.
E
B
E
D
D
I
mean
there's
how
many
units
43
43
I
mean
they
probably
need
to
have
mailboxes
up
by
the
door
that
a
post
postal
carrier
walks
and
and
and
and
puts
mail
like
like
in
a
in
a
denser
Housing
Development,
as
opposed
to
the
the
more
less
dense
rather
less
dense,
Housing
Development,
where
it's
like
a
rural
route.
I,
don't
think
rural
routes
is
what
we
want
here.
Otherwise,
I
mean
you're
going
to
have
a
post
box
every
10
feet.
Well,.
B
It
could
they
could
be
yeah
triaged
together
three
units
in
one
in
one
building
and
then
the
next
three
you
know
have
them,
but
yeah
I
I
understand.
So
what
we're
seeing
here
then,
is
there
probably
won't
be
any
mailbox
lights
right
at
all.
Initially,
as
this
thing
unfolds,
okay
and
and
what
about
the
sidewalks
are
we
you
know
how
are
I,
you
know:
how
long
will
this
development
take?
When
would
we
have
continuous
sidewalks
on
that
street?
Okay,.
F
We
built
probably
80
percent
of
the
homes
on
the
Walnut
Court
and
as
we
built
the
homes
we
filled
in
between
driveway
to
driveway,
with
the
sidewalk
and
in
this
division
of
it
at
Homestead,
the
driveways
are
going
to
be
so
close
together.
You
may
find
that
you
have
very
very
little
sidewalk
at
all
yeah,
because
it's
going
to
be
that
tight.
So
as
we
build
these
out,
we
will
fill
in
the
gaps
with
the
sidewalk,
but.
B
F
B
The
name
of
it,
let
me
look
Walnut
cork
yeah
down
at
the
end,
so
you
know
I
worry
that
we
end
up
with
something
like
that.
Where
you
know
you,
you
know
I
think
Mr
Wharton
had
pointed
out
that
a
lot
of
the
inquiries
so
far
have
been
poor
people
tending
toward
retirement
and
you
know
so
maybe
an
older
clientele.
I,
don't
know
you
know,
hopefully
it'll
be
younger
people
there
too,
but
but
I'm
just
worried
about
being
able
to
walk
up
there
and
and
and
do
it
safely
and
having
the
the
sidewalk.
B
B
B
B
B
You
know
I
look
around
the
community.
We
have
a
lot
of
sidewalks
on
the
near
East
Side,
the
near
East
Side.
You
can
walk.
You
know
from
the
house
to
the
school
you
know
pretty
easily
without
on
sidewalks,
then
you
look
at
the
far
East
Side
and
there's
virtually
no
sidewalks
over
there
and
I
live
up
on
Northwood
and
Briarwood.
There
are
no
sidewalks
there.
It's
you
know
and
I.
Just
think
that
makes
a
community
and
a
development
so
much
better.
B
F
D
Yeah
I
have
a
couple
other
questions.
You
know
number
one.
One
of
the
one
of
the
proposed
subdivision
non-conformities
is
the:
is
the
street
tree
plant
I
recognize
in
front
of
the
in
front
of
the
properties?
There's
not
room
to
plant
Street
trees.
Just
because
you
mentioned
the
driveways
will
be
so
close
together
in
this
townhouse
type
development.
Is
there
an
opportunity
in
the
right-of-way
along
Broadmoor
to
to
attempt
to
you
you're,
not
gonna,
comply
with
the
street
tree
requirements
but
to
at
least
add
some
trees
on
Broadmoor
yeah.
F
Andy
I
don't
see
a
problem
with
that.
The
the
left
side
of
Broadmoor
right
now
has
some
very
mature
white
oak
trees
that
are
very
beautiful.
They
will
stay
in
place,
okay,
but
as
far
as
the
other
side,
if
there's
room
in
the
city's
right-of-way
but
I
couldn't
tell
you
yeah,
we
can
plant
a
tree
on
I
know.
Atlas
Ventures
are.
D
You
know
part
of
the
development
agreement.
When
the
the
city
council
passed,
the
the
Tiff
had
to
do
with
Universal
Design
and
access
to
the
you
know,
people
be
able
to
get
in
without
having
to
make
steps
to.
Commissioner,
their
commissioner's
question,
regarding
you
know
older
people
living
in
in
the
area.
G
Brett
Howard
hi
Brett
they're
a
lot
dependent,
so
the
north
side
of
the
complex
will
be
relatively
flat,
so
it'll
be
probably
be
slab,
so
we'll
just
go
straight
in
as
far
as
the
cul-de-sac
and
the
left
side
that'll
be
trickier.
So
we
will
try
to
make
every
effort
to
get
a
flat,
porch
and
driveway
into
the
house,
but
as
far
as
the
stairs
inside
no.
G
D
Talking
about
front
door
entry
you
know,
being
able
to
get
out
of
a
car,
have
an
older
person
than
a
in
a
that's
Mobility
impaired,
to
be
able
to
get
into
the
front
door
and
I
think
the
goal
with
the
the
city
council
subsidizing.
This
development
was
to
get
housing
stock
added
that
allows
for
that
kind
of
that
kind
of
Resident
I.
G
D
C
So
one
of
the
things
that
we
that
we
looked
at
and
the
plans
for
the
proposed
two
and
three
bedroom
units,
it's
interesting,
that
the
the
Tiff
call
only
talks
about
three
bedroom
units
that
need
to
be
ex
more
accessible.
It's
a
good
saying
for
some
reason,
doesn't
say
anything
about
two
bedroom
units,
but
the
three
bedroom
units
that
they
have
all
have
a
master
bedroom.
B
G
H
40
seconds
you're
11
more
on
that
Court
one
question:
I:
have
we
talk
about
traffic
and
I
still
think
682
is
going
to
be
an
issue
with
all
the
apartments
on
the
other
side
of
the
street
and
we're
going
to
add
60,
more
cars
or
so
in
one
and
a
half
car
a
townhouse
we're
going
to
get
60
more
cars
up
and
down.
University
state
I
think
turning
left
out
of
there
is
going
to
become
a
hassle.
I
My
name
is
Jim
McDonald
and
my
address
until
last
week
was
120
University,
States
Boulevard,
so
I
am
a
I,
am
a
future
resident
of
of.
What's
it
called
forget
what
it's
called,
which
Edge
I've
already
purchased
this,
so
all
I
would
ask
for
is
I
purchased
sold.
My
home
on
I
was
a
resident
of
University
States
for
16
years.
One
of
the
first
houses
built
in
there,
so
I've
been
there
for
a
long
time
renting.
Currently,
so
all
I
would
ask
of
the
city.
I
Is
that
whatever
speed
you
can
push
this
through
would
be
greatly
appreciated
because
I'm
anxious
to
get
to
my
new
home
and
I
have
a
rental
for
a
short
period
of
time.
So
any
speed
you
could
do
would
be
greatly
appreciated.
I'm
happy
with
all
the
plans
that
they've
made
I
will
make
one
comment
about
the
mailboxes.
My
suggestion
would
be
to
have
a
bank
of
mailboxes
for
the
whole
Community,
similar
to
what
they
have
Where
I
Live
Now
up
into
Country
Club
that
you
go
to
to
pick
up
all
your
mail.
I
Then
you
don't
have
to
have
it
on
your
door.
The
post
office
will
be
happy
with
it.
You'll
make
a
bank
at
the
entrance
or
somewhere
there
that
you
can
put
the
that
everybody
can
pick
up
their
mail
and
I
would
greatly
appreciate
if
the,
if
the,
if
the
the
street
light
plan,
would
go
all
the
way
back
into
into
into
that
Community
too,
because
it
is
dark
up
there
and,
as
John
said,
the
street
lights.
The
street
lights
in
the
mailbox
is
a
great
idea.
It
doesn't
work.
I
D
E
E
E
I've
actually
received
an
inquiry
just
in
the
last
couple
weeks,
when
somebody
oh,
can
I
buy
two
or
three
and
run
them
no.
This
is
not
a
rental
project.
Okay,
if
your
name's
under
deed,
you
have
to
live
there,
that's
what
I
told
them
so
I'm
not
worried
about
selling
these
okay.
The
only
reason
why
it's
going
to
take
them
four
or
five
years
is
because
it's
going
to
take
them
four
or
five
years
to
build
them.
Okay,
it's
just
it's
an
HOA.
E
E
The
other
issue
that
was
brought
up
was
of
20
or
30
years.
Now
the
roof
needs
replaced,
and
you
know
one
owner
doesn't
want
to
sharing
the
cost.
I,
don't
think
we
need
to
get
involved
in
that
okay.
I
mean
we're
talking
about
something
30
years
from
now.
That
might
not
ever
be
an
issue
Okay,
so
you
know
that's
something
that
they
can
settle
themselves,
but
I
do
agree
there.
D
D
You
guys
fix
it
and
nobody
ever
wants
to
hear
that,
and
so
my
only
point
in
asking
that
question
is
to
try
to
head
it
off
at
the
front
end
so
that
it's
recorded
in
the
people's
Deeds
as
to
what
the
responsibility
is
to
one
another
versus
you
know
that
that
that
event
eventually
happened
and
and
the
guy
is
after
he
and
I
you
know,
don't
get
the
call
that
says:
hey
my
neighbor
won't
replace
the
roof
and
it's
leaking
into
my
building.
So
thank
you.
I
So
it
was
a
past
resident
and
a
member
of
the
HOA
I
would
and
a
future
resident
of
the
new
thing
I
would
be
against
this
being
in
the
in
the
HOA
I.
Don't
I
don't
want
to
be
a
part
of
the
University
of
States.
There's
no
need
for
us
to
be
part
of
that
HOA
if
it's
because
of
mailboxes,
but
we'll
come
up
with
another
solution,
but
one
of
the
reasons
I
bought
that
lot.
I
A
Would
add
you
know
the
Planning
Commission?
Our
role
is
to
look
at
the
plans
and
look
at
the
development
HOA
or
no
HOA
really
isn't
something
that
this
body
is
going
to
require
of
of
any
development
in
the
city.
I
think,
as
you
indicated
John,
is
that
with
Walnut
Court
it
was
petitioned
by
those
who
lived
there
and
again,
if
you
get
51
or
whatever
it
is
after
it
could
be
60
I,
don't
know
that
that's
the
way
it'll
be
with
being
able
to
enter
into,
but
Jim
this
this
body.
A
You
know
the
commission's
not
worried
about
that.
I
do
want
to
come
back
around
to
the
traffic
issue.
I
want
I,
want
you
to
know
that
that
this
body,
as
well
as
the
city
Administration,
is
not
deaf
to
what
we
will
likely
see
on
682.
So
it
is
again
it's
not
that
we're
being
deaf
to
it
and
knowing
that
with
the
what
a
Cooper
project
off
of
lorig
and
682
with
that
development
is
192
units.
A
This
one
certainly
being
a
much
smaller
development
that
we
will
continue
to
monitor
682,
and
we
can
certainly
have
the
ability
to
make
some
changes.
We
already
have
in
that
682
used
to
be
45
miles
an
hour
all
the
way
up
to
the
intersection
of
682
and
and
56,
but
with
the
annexation
of
that
property
into
the
City
and
the
court
limit
extending
now
out
to
boar
Ridge
that
we
did
lower
it
to
35
miles
an
hour.
So
we
we
have.
A
H
A
We
again,
we
have
some
opportunities
with
little
in
the
not
too
distant
future,
be
the
682,
56
roundabout,
and
so
we'll
certainly
see
what
else
we
can
do
within
that
corridor.
So
again,
I
just
want
to
have
that
on
the
record
that
that
the
city
Administration
is
not
deaf
to
the
concerns
in
not
only
your
own
we've
heard
from
several
other
individuals
who
are
also
concerned
to
include
a
city
council
member
for
the
city
of
Athens
anyway.
A
C
Maybe
if
I
could
just
mentioned
that
we
are
trying
to
get
this
project
moved
through
as
quickly
as
possible,
and
in
that
vein,
the
stat
all
of
our
staff
has
not
had
a
chance
to
adequately
look
at
all
the
details
of
the
plans.
So
I
would
suggest
that
if
we
do
decide
to
move
forward
on
this,
that
we
do
it
contingent
upon
additional
staff
comments
as
we
get
a
chance
to
review
these
plans.
Thank
you.
A
D
A
D
A
A
C
Yeah,
thank
you
mayor.
We
have
a
lot
of
communities
in
in
Ohio
that
do
allow
the
the
keeping
of
a
small
number
of
chickens.
The
city
of
Athens
code
does
not
allow
it
at
this
time.
So,
if
the,
if
the
board
would
be
interested
in
moving
forward
on
allowing
up
to
four
chickens
in
our
in
residential
areas,
no
roosters
I
have
some
proposed
wording
in
the
code
that
would
change
to
allow
up
to
four
hens
to
be
permitted
in
a
secure
structure
in
a
any
basically
any
Zone
in
the
city.
D
To
sure
so
what
we
proposed
working
together
on
this
language
is-
and
this
adds
into
the
permitted
accessory
uses
in
in
our
one
zones-
the
language
that
female
chickens
no
roosters
may
be
kept
for
personal
enjoyment
in
an
outdoor
predator-proof
structure,
no
more
than
four
chickens
may
be
kept
at
any
time.
Any
or
all
other
types
of
foul
shall
be
considered
farm
animals
which
are
which
are
prohibited.
So
this
is
very
specific
to
chickens
and
I.
D
Think
the
issue
right
now
is:
there
are
Provisions
that
allow
for
this
so
long
as
it's
at
least
100
feet
distant
from
any
lot
line,
and
so
few
residential
lots
in
the
city
currently
have
that
space
available
that
it's
very,
very
it's
next
impossible,
basically
for
anyone
to
keep
chicken.
So
this
isn't
to
allow
people
to
have
chickens
that
run
around
in
their
yard
and
get
in
other
people's
yards.
It's
actually
inside
a
coop,
that's
secure
from
predators,
and
it's
only
for
and
no
roosters.
So
that's,
basically
what
the
what
the
change
is.
E
B
B
C
So
that's
animals
at
large
and
so
there's
also
a
nuisance
animal
code
and
Title
IX
animals
at
large.
No,
the
chickens
of
any
type
would
not
be
allowed
at
large.
Okay,
they
have
to
be
enclosed
in
a
predator-proof
structure,
some
type
okay.
So
so
what
I
was
trying
to
get
across
was
that
we
do
have
additional
Avenues
of
control
for
this.
So
if
there
are
chickens
running
loose,
we
have
Title
IX.
That
says
you.
B
A
J
J
A
C
Thank
you,
mayor
I
did
find
this
week
that
I
got
in
contact
with
the
developer
of
the
960
East
State
Street,
the
Chipotle
and
Starbucks
that
had
they
hadn't
moved
forward
and
I
wasn't
sure
why
they
have
some
proposed
changes.
They
didn't
want
to
make
to
the
site
plan
I'm
going
to
look
at
that
and
if
those
are
minor
enough,
that
it
doesn't
really
affect
any
of
the
approvals
that
this
board's
already
done.
We
could
go
ahead
and
move
forward
with
that
without
having
to
come
back
to
the
board.