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A
Which
is
federal
land
access
program?
It's
a
great
program,
we've
been
really
really
successful
with
it
and
it's
western
federal
lands.
So
it's
the
western
states
and
they
usually
have
a
good
pot
of
money
and
they
want
to
get
people
out
into
the
woods
into
the
forest.
So
century
drive
is
a
really
great
project
for
that
and
that
might
allow
us
to
pull
this
up
one
year
or
so
we're
really
working
on
that.
A
We
could
get
it
designed
in
2026,
2025,
possibly
and
then
we'll
see
if
we
get
that
flap
grant,
but
otherwise
it's
it
would
be
go
bond
funding.
Do
you
guys
have
any
questions?
I
know
that
was
a
ton
of
information
to
throw
at
you
at
once.
B
Robin
shorter
questions,
let
me
let
me
just
say
that
if
there's
some
takeaways
here
for
our
nla
reps,
one
should
be
that
the
priorities
can
change.
Sometimes
they
need
to
change,
there's
an
opportunity
for
I'm
going
to
say
streets
and
operations.
I
think
it's
transportation
and
mobility
now,
but
there's
opportunities
that
can
be
expedited
and
I
think
we
want
the
department
to
have
that
latitude.
B
They
will
certainly
try
to
respect
our
original
priorities,
but
combined
with
additional
funds
and
combined
with
the
good
news
that
we
do
have
a
transportation
bond
which
brings
with
it
oversight.
B
I
I
think,
if
there's
a
message
at
least
a
message
I
needed
to
convey
to
my
n
a
is
that
every
intent
is
being
made
to
follow
the
original
priorities,
but
sometimes
some
opportunities
come
up
or
there's
some
design
delays.
So
we
need
to
be
sure
not
to
say
that
this
project
is
absolute
in
terms
of
1
through
25..
B
You
know
we're
going
to
try
or
the
department's
going
to
try
to
do
everything
they
can
to
do
deliver
it
in
that
order,
but
sometimes
opportunities
present
themselves
like
polar
star
and
that's
a
good
thing.
So
that's
my
comment
and
if
there
are
questions
for
robin,
let's
get
to
them.
C
Will
these
slides
be
attached
to
the
minutes.
A
Yeah
the
slides
well,
this
spreadsheet
is
still
draft.
I'm
not
sure
I
can
share
it
yet,
so
let
me
get
it
approved
by
david
avis.
First,
we
were
working
on
it
just
this
morning
and
and
pulling
in
finance
and
things
like
that,
and
so
it's
close
just
don't
think
it's
perfect
yeah.
E
Lisa
hi
robin
thanks
for
your
presentation.
I
had
a
quick
question.
I've
got
two
questions:
the
first
one
on
broster
house
with
that
extension
of
the
sidewalk.
Can
you
you
probably
said
it
I
may
have
missed
it.
Can
you
clarify
the
additional
funds
for
that
sidewalk?
Is
that
coming
out
of
nssp,
or
is
that
coming
out
of
something
else.
A
It
would
come
out
of
the
go
bond.
Is
our
proposal?
Okay?
So
that's
that's
one
of
the
things
that
we
will
run
past
the
oversight
committee,
because
you
know,
as
originally
estimated
it
was
a
little
bit
less
than
the
237
for
that
project,
but
adding
the
200
feet
of
sidewalk.
This
seems
like
an
opportunity,
cost
there's
8
million
in
that
budget.
A
That's
for
kind
of
safe
routes
to
school
safety
projects
and
I'm
not
sure
what
all
else
is
in
that
in
that
pile,
maybe
key
routes.
So
this
uses
up
about
four
four
and
a
half
million.
If
I
were
to
add
these
up
key
wrestling.
A
Thank
you
karen,
so
I
I
think
it
would
be.
You
know
that
ask
for
them
that
that
this
would
be
an
opportunity
cost
to
pull
it
in
in
a
way
that's
really
efficient,
because
we've
already
got
the
designer
we've
already
got
the
contractor
right.
There.
So
sounds
great.
My
second
yeah
that's
a.
E
Great
question
lisa.
My
second
question
kind
of
goes
back
to
campbell
drive.
I
still
feel
like
we.
We
haven't
completely
closed
the
loop
on
that.
I
think
that
we
were
supposed
to
have
another
conversation,
perhaps
with
you
and
david
avis,
just
to
talk
about
how
that
decision
came
about
to
completely
cancel
the
project
and
I'm
not
sure
that
there's
necessarily
any
more
work
that
we
want
on
campbell.
But
it's
a
process
issue,
so
I
just
want
to
bring
that
up
that
we
still
need
to
do
that
circle
back.
A
Okay,
I'm
sorry,
I
thought
you
and
david
had
talked.
I
went
on
vacation
and
I
thought
you
guys
were
meeting
and
then
I
got
back
into
it
and
I
didn't
didn't
ask
him
what
was
the
outcome?
H
Yeah,
I
have
one
question:
is
there
any
kind
of
evaluation
done
on
the
completed
projects
to
see
if
they
are
doing
what
we
thought
they
would
do.
A
A
lot
of
people
have
called
and
said
it's
definitely
less
volume
and
they're
slower
I've,
gotten
quantitative
data
on
harmon
and
we
cut
the
speeding
on
that
street
in
half
so
before
the
project
67
of
the
folks
driving
on
that
road
were
exceeding
25
and
now
just
over
30
percent
of
folks
on
that
road
are
exceeding
20.,
and
so
we've
really
locked
the
fast
folks
off
for
sure
I
don't
know
about
volumes,
we
just
did
a
speed
trailer
out
there,
so
I
don't
have
the
volumes
yet
it
seems
about
the
same,
but
there's
so
much
construction
in
that
area
that
it's
really
hard
to
judge.
A
If
folks
are
just
trying
to
get
around
because
skyliners
was
closed
and
newport
is
closed
and
you
know.
A
A
D
B
Robin
we
are
going
to
move
on
to
a
discussion
about
primarily
hb
2001
vice
chair,
lisa
muscle,
and
I
will
be
attending
the
council
work
session
on
april
21st.
B
I
think
that's
at
4
30,
if
I
recall,
took
us
a
while
to
firm
up
that
time
but
and
the
discussion
one
of
the
discussions
in
that
work
session
will
be
parking
minimum.
B
And
then
we
also
asked-
and
thank
you
karen
sworsky
for
being
here,
because
the
tsp
and
karen's
experience
with
that
also
has
done
a
lot
of
parking
studies
in
the
core
area
which
could
be
useful
to
us.
So
with
that,
I
will
turn
it
over
to
lisa.
E
I
also
want
to
invite
dave
johnson
to
pipe
in
wherever
you
feel
appropriate
dave,
but
based
on
our
conversation
earlier
dave,
I'm
just
going
to
push
forward
until
you
raise
your
hand
so
just
quickly
it
quickly
the
overview
of
hb
2001.
E
E
Middle
housing
is
defined,
as
you
can
see:
duplexes
triplexes
quads,
it's
anything
that
is
multi-family
housing
and
the
makeup
of
the
stakeholder
group.
I
think
pauline.
If
you're
on,
you
can
correct
me,
but
I
believe
there
are
12
individuals
or
so,
and
the
makeup
or
the
vote
so
far.
The
majority
of
the
stakeholder
group
has
voted
to
eliminate
some
or
all
of
the
minimum
parking
requirements
for
these
types
of
properties.
E
So
with
the
hb
2001,
the
code
amendments
that
are
being
proposed,
off-street
parking
is
not
going
to
be
required.
It's
going
to
eliminate
some
of
the
standards
for
density,
so
as
part
of
the
review
of
code
we're
looking
at
lot
coverage.
E
Florida
area
standards
lots
of
lots
of
variables
here,
so
this
is
going
to
look
a
lot
different
than
today's
climate,
we're
looking
at
reducing
the
minimum
watt
size
for
the
multiplexes,
and
this
is
not
finalized,
but
this
is
kind
of
where
we're
at
so
far
and
you'll
you'll
see
a
summary
of
this
here
soon.
When
we
finalize
the
the
information
before
it
goes
to
planning
commission
or
to
the
council,
the
only
remaining
standards
will
be
the
setbacks
and
the
30-foot
height
limit.
Everything
else
is
probably
going
to
change
the
consequences
of
the
decisions.
E
E
We
had
a
whole
lot
of
community
complaints
that
they
weren't
involved
in
the
decision-making
process,
and
the
stakeholder
group
is
one
avenue
by
which
people
get
involved,
and
I
think
it's
really
important
that
the
stakeholder
group
and
the
nla
subsequently
that
we're
pushing
information
out
to
our
neighbors
to
help
them
understand
what's
coming
around
the
corner.
Otherwise
this
is
going
to
get
adopted
and
people
are
going
to
be
up
in
arms,
saying.
Why
didn't
you
tell
me
so
that's
the
whole
gist
of
this.
The
the
no
standards
approach.
E
This
is
something
that
that
is
happening
in
a
lot
of
other
areas
of
the
country.
You
know,
if
we're
going
to
have
the
densification,
then
you're,
basically
going
to
look
at
some
single-family
or
previously
single-family
residence
lots
that
now
have
become
mcmansions
because
of
the
changes.
So
how
does
that
fit
with
your
neighborhood?
How
does
that
work
with
with
the
members
of
your
neighborhood
association
and
does
it
work
in
some
cases
it
will
in
some
cases,
it'll
be
appropriate.
Maybe
in
some
cases
it
won't.
E
The
general
feeling
from
the
the
five
neighborhood
association
related
members
of
the
stakeholder
group
that
I've
been
in
touch
with
is
that
the
code
amendments
are
going
way
beyond
unreasonable
cost
or
time
delays
in
terms
of
implementing
this,
and
the
changes
are
basically
going
to
let
the
developer
determine
the
needs,
let
the
builder
let
the
developer,
determine
the
needs
of
the
the
community.
E
E
E
We
have
not
seen
any
evidence
we
haven't
found
anything
out
there.
Nothing
has
been
presented
during
the
stakeholder
group
that
really
points
to
this
being
a
cost
barrier,
the
with
related
to
parking
requirements.
E
So
I
think
that
there's
anecdotal
evidence
that
that
people
are
saying
well,
you
know
if
you
create
a
garage
and
you
create
parking
space
that
could
have
been
living
quarters,
but
we
haven't
seen
truly
any
evidence
in
any
other
jurisdiction
and
we
haven't
really
talked
about
it
at
the
stakeholder
group
level.
It's
been
pushed
aside
the
parking
concern
when
we
say
you
know
this
is
a
frequent
point
of
contention
and
this
kind
of
relates
to
the
does
parking
matter
efforts.
E
The
the
state
has
had
a
particular
direction
that
they
wanted
to
go
to
and
we're
going
past
what
the
state
recommended
we
feel
like.
There
needs
to
be
a
little
bit
more
debate,
a
little
bit
more
discussion,
and
that
was
the
whole
purpose
of
creating
does
parking
matter
by
that
sub
subgroup.
The
the
process
concerns
that
we're
making
or
that
we're
raising
is
around
the
makeup
of
the
group
there
it.
E
It
feels
a
little
bit
like
it's
stacked,
and
I've
talked
about
that
before
I
don't
mean
to
point
fingers
or
be
you
know,
adversarial
in
any
way.
I
just
think
that
when
we
look
at
these
stakeholder
groups
or
these
community
sounding
boards,
that
we
need
to
take
a
look
and
make
sure
that
they
are
even
in
their
approach,
most
of
the
majority
positions
have
been
adopted
with
little
or
no
evidence
next
slide.
Please.
E
This
is
a
little
bit
of
a
picture
of
where
we're
headed,
so
you've
got
a
picture
of
a
3000
square
foot
duplex
there
on
the
left.
It's
got
a
total
of
eight
bedrooms,
which
I
was
a
little
surprised
at.
That
means
four
bedrooms
per
duplex
and
with
that
it
has
as
many
as
seven
vehicles
parked
out
front.
So
that's
probably
a
roommate
situation
is
probably
you
know.
Each
individual
is
is
renting
out
a
room
and
I
guess
we
should
be
impressed
that
they
don't
have
eight
vehicles,
but
seven
vehicles
parked
out
front.
E
There's
no
real
parking
provided
what
you
see
in
the
middle
with
that
yellow
box,
the
yellow
box
that
represents
a
40
by
100
square
foot,
lot
of
4
000
square
foot
lot
and
then
the
gray
that
shows
you
what
could
go
in
there.
So
that
shows
you
a
little
bit
of
where
the
setbacks
would
occur
and
how
much
area
could
be
available
for
for
anything
other
than
the
actual
structure,
the
actual
living
quarters.
E
So
with
the
com,
the
current
projection
of
this
committee,
the
current
the
feeling
of
this
committee,
there's
gonna,
be
no
standards
really
it'll,
be
a
three-story
building.
It'll
have
two
times
the
square
footage
then
currently
allowed
two
times
the
number
of
bedrooms
and
two
times
the
number
of
parking.
So
we
just
want
to
raise
the
question:
is
that
compatible
with
your
neighborhood?
It's
going
to
fit
in
some
places?
It's
certainly
going
to
fit.
Maybe
in
the
the
areas
where
transit
is
available,
it's
not
necessarily
going
to
fit
in
other
places.
C
Let
me
jump
in
here.
Let
me
give
you
an
example.
Most
people
that
have
been
concerned
with
with
this
development
approach
have
said
that
it
only
applies
to
new
development,
and
most
people
think
that
new
development
has
to
do
with
with
new
master
plans
or
new
development
areas.
But
what
is
not
being
explained
is
that
new
development
could
be.
C
For
example,
I
sell
my
house
to
a
developer,
I'm
on
four
seven
acres,
which
turns
out
to
be
twenty
thousand
four
hundred
and
seven
seventy
three
square
feet
which
potentially
could
be
divided
into
five
of
these
lots.
C
This
would
allow
a
developer
to
build
five
of
this
example
of
this
example
of
buildings.
At
the
end
of
my
cul-de-sac,
imagine
five
buildings
like
this
in
a
cul-de-sac.
C
That
is
new
development,
it's
not
part
of
a
master
plan,
but
if
I
sold
my
house
today
to
a
developer
that
would
be
possible
right
now,
there's
just
my
three
bedroom
three
and
a
half
bath
house
on
it
and
a
fish
pond,
but
it
could
be
five
condos
or
five
three-story
buildings
on
the
end
of
my
cul-de-sac.
C
E
Thanks
dave,
those
are
those
are
good
points.
I
do
want
to
make
sure
that
everybody
understands
that
the
members
of
that
are
attending
as
part
of
the
stakeholder
group.
We
are
absolutely
not
not
against
affordable
housing
and
we
recognize
that
there's
a
terrific
need
here
in
bend
and
that
we
do
need
to
find
some
solutions,
but
we
also
feel
like
it
needs
to
be
a
balanced
equation
between
what
exists
today
and
what
the
needs
are,
so
that
we
don't
take
too
much
away
from
current
residents.
E
So
many
people
moved
here
to
bend
because
they
wanted
more
of
a
rural
lifestyle
and
this
densification.
This
is
a
little
bit
of
a
different
approach.
Remember
where
it
came
from
and
remember
you
know,
a
lot
of
the
goals
were
we're
looking
at
major
metropolitan
areas
outside
of
portland
and
and
that
may
not
necessarily
fit
in
bed.
So
we
just
have
to
ask
those
questions
next
slide
yeah,
and
this
was
the
whole
just
of
of.
Why
did
we
push
out
a
survey?
E
We
have
to
remember
why
we
have
neighborhood
associations.
Remember
that
we're
trying
to
increase
citizen
participation
in
local
decision
making.
That
means
it
goes
beyond
just
the
council
making
making
recommendations
or
making
changes.
If
the
council
doesn't
have
citizen
input,
then
the
council's
just
operating
in
a
vacuum,
so
we
felt
it
was
very
important
for
citizens
to
understand
what
was
being
proposed,
what
was
being
discussed
and
push
it
out
so
that
they
could
start
to
have
that
conversation
and
hopefully,
hopefully
send
a
few
messages
to
the
council
and
participate
in
some
of
the
meetings.
E
You
know
our
our
council
has
the
goal
that
they
are
trying
to
promote
civic
engagement
and
I,
I
sure
hope
that
they
take
a
listen
and
look
at
the
survey
results.
The
survey
results
were
sent
out
by
michaela
earlier.
I
am
very
impressed
that
we
had
more
than
a
thousand
people
that
responded
to
the
survey
and
overwhelmingly.
E
You
know
this
is
a
topic
that
people
absolutely
want
to
talk
about
and
that
does
parking
matter
group
has
been.
If
you
want
to
call
it
criticized
that
the
the
survey
maybe
wasn't
worded
appropriately
or
something
like
that,
you
know
that's
fine.
We
just
wanted
to
start
the
conversation
we,
the
the
group,
just
wanted
everybody
to
take
part
in
the
conversation,
and
we
hope
the
council
will
take
them.
Take
a
listen.
C
Let
me
butt
in
again
lisa
we
are,
we
are
charged
with
land
use
education
and
we
are
putting
together
a
whole
process
of
education
about
land
use.
However,
these
decisions
about
how
the
bdc
is
going
to
be
updated
to
comply
with
hb
2001
is
going
to
happen
before
we
are
able
to
get
our
land
use
education
package
in
front
of
city
council
and
the
planning
commission,
so
that
they
can
release
it
to
the
public
and
that's
why
that
we
are
reaching
out
under.
J
C
E
Thanks
dave,
I
I
do
want
to
clarify
that
does
parking
matter
activities
that
was
not
an
nla
activity,
it
really
wasn't
any
particular
neighborhood
association
activity.
E
It
was
made
up
of
several
people
that
were
participating
in
the
stakeholder
group
and
a
few
other
concerned
citizens
saying
what
can
we
do
here,
but
we
hope
that
the
the
results
are
are
interesting
to
the
council.
We
hope
that
they'll
take
a
look.
I
mean
again
to
have
more
than
a
thousand
people
respond
to
a
survey.
This
is
one
of
the
the
most
comprehensive
or
rather
voluminous
reports.
E
So
I
do
want
to
say:
wow,
that's
a
great
opportunity
for
us
and
for
all
of
the
neighborhoods
that
the
the
remaining
people
that
were
not
a
part
of
neighborhood
associations
now
have
some
inkling.
That
of
what
neighborhood
associations
are
about.
We're
about,
educating
we're
about
informing
we're
about
representation,
and
this
was
a
great
activity
in
that
regard.
E
B
Yeah
a
couple
of
points
before
we
move
on
to
ian
and
pauline
and
karen,
if
we
need
to,
I
think
the
number
was
42
so
more
than
four
out
of
10
people
that
responded
to
this
survey
were
not
n
a
affiliated
that
is,
and
they
may
not
even
know
exactly.
There
was
a
question
which
any
do
you
belong
to.
It
was
provocative,
but
I
do
see
that
as
an
important
statement
about
the
value
of
social
media
to
rnas,
but
also
it's
an
opportunity-
and
you
know.
B
Obviously
this
is
a
hot
topic
and
just
getting
some
dialogue
going.
The
hope
would
be
that
getting
the
dialogue
going
takes
us
in
a
direction
where
we
have
opportunities
to
try
and
reach
compromise
and
consensus,
and
I
will
reiterate
that
lisa
made
the
point
and
I'll
reiterate
this
was
a.
This
was
not
an
nla
subgroup.
So
when
she
says
subgroup,
it's
not
an
nla
subgroup.
It's
a
group
of
concerned
people
that
felt
this
was
an
issue
to
be
studied
and
in
addition
I
should
say
no
city
resources
were
used
on
this
survey.
B
It
was
an
independent
survey
done
by
a
group
of
concerned
citizens.
So
if
anyone
wants
to
know
about
a
city
affiliation
on
this,
there
is
none
so
put
that
to
bed
in
case.
That's
a
question
and
with
that
I'd
like
to
move
on
to
ian,
to
help
us
frame
or
speak
to
some
of
the
stakeholder
issues
or
lisa,
I'm
sorry.
G
Yeah
no
no
problem.
I
just
had
a
quick
comment
about
this,
as
you,
as
you
mentioned,
we'll
be
discussing
this
at
the
april.
21St
meeting
not
only
we'll
be
hearing
presentations
from
the
nla,
but
also
from
bdab
from
the
affordable
housing
committee
and
the
planning
commission.
All
on
you
know,
hb
2001.,
so
encourage
you
to
to
listen
into
the
work
session
at
five
o'clock
on
the
21st.
G
4
30
is
executive
session,
so
we'll
be
we'll
be
back
in
to
to
the
to
the
regular
work
session
at
five.
E
Okay,
that
thank
you
for
clarifying.
We
have
been
going
back
and
forth
with
several
people
and
yeah.
It's
been
changing
a
lot.
Okay,
good
and
before
we
move
on
does
is.
Are
there
any
other
comments
from
any
other
nla
members?
Chris
looks,
like
you
hand
your
hand
up,
and
then
I'm
wondering
if
nla
wants
to
take
any
kind
of
action
here,
go
ahead.
K
Chris,
you
said
this
hb
2001
would
lead
to
mcmansions
and
I
don't
really
know
what
a
mcmansion
is.
So
just
for
clarification.
What
are
you
talking?
What's
a
mcmansion.
E
Basically,
chris,
what
we're
saying
is
that
on
any
lot
that
was
previously
a
single
family
residence
we're
looking
at
much
greater
densification
of
that
lot.
So
there's
going
to
be
a
higher
level
of
development
that
will
be
allowed
on
that
particular
lot,
whether
it
is
a
single
family,
larger
home
or
if
it
is
a
multi-unit
development,
you're
not
going
to
have
as
much
green
space
you're
not
going
to
have
as
many
trees
you're
not
going
to
have
any
as
much
open
space.
K
I
get
that,
but
all
the
conversation
here
has
been
about
multi.
You
know
little
homes
to
improve
density,
not
not
a
castle.
E
It
kind
of
goes
back
to
what
what
dave
was
talking
about.
You
know
he's
living
in
the
single
family,
residence
community
or
this
area,
and
now,
all
of
a
sudden,
what
could
happen
is
somebody
could
buy
his
house,
he
he
decides
to
sell,
so
a
developer
could
decide
to
buy
his
house
and
all
of
a
sudden,
a
three-story
structure
with
much
greater
lot
coverage
could
go
in
there,
so
you
could
have
you
know,
single-family
homes
on
either
side
and
then
all
of
a
sudden
something
really
huge
in
the
middle.
L
C
M
K
Know
why
you
use
that
term?
You
know
a
large
eyesore
hotel
is
what
you're
opposed
to
not
mansions.
E
Thanks
chris,
any
other
comments,
any
other
jim
cristo
looks
like
your
hands
up.
I
Yes,
it
is
thank
you
and
lisa.
I
know
you
covered
the
fact
that
the
vote
was
always
a
majority
vote.
I
I
would
suggest
that
when
you
go
to
the
council
that
you
kind
of
give
some
backup
to
that
like
if
these
there's
seven
members
of
you
know
real
estate
developers,
architects,
real
estate
agents
always
out
voting
other
members,
you
know
that
gives
a
quite
a
better
view
of
just
the
the
problem
that
we're
up
against
with
the
process
here
and,
as
you
said,
it's
not
very
not
balanced.
Thank
you.
B
I
was
just
going
to
say
I
I
think
we
need
to
hear
kathy's
comments
and
then
let's
remember
that
this
is
a
work
session
yet
to
be
held.
So
your
input's
valuable,
but
I'd
like
to
give
ian
and
pauline
and
karen
some
time
as
well
so
kathy.
F
Yeah
real
quickly,
I
think
that
there's
a
safety
issue
here,
because
if
you
put
all
those
cars
from
those
larger
units
onto
many
streets,
there
will
not
be
passage
for
fire
via
or
police
vehicles,
mostly
fire
and
rescue
vehicles,
and
I've
seen
many
towns
and
cities
limit
parking
to
one
side
of
the
street
or
put
up
no
parking
signs.
F
F
Wouldn't
I
just
want
to
maximize
things
and
just
the
mcmansion
stuff
means
that
instead
of
a
single
family
home
with
regular
setbacks
going
in
next
to
you,
you
could
have
a
house,
that's
twice
the
size
of
anything
else
on
your
in
your
little
neighborhood
on
your
street
and
you
that
you
would
be
very
close
to
this
other
house
rather
than
having
space
between
you
and
the
other
house.
That's
what
I
got
out
of
it.
Thank
you
very
much.
E
Okay,
that's
great!
Thank
you,
chairman
I'll
turn
it
over
to
you
to
call
on
our
other
guests.
B
N
Folks,
yeah,
I
am
happy
to
answer.
Maybe
questions
primarily
because
I
I
think
I
know
what
some
of
them
have
been,
but
maybe
not
all
of
them.
So
let
me
start
with
with
the
ones
I've
heard.
I
I
understand
that
there
have
been
some
ongoing
questions,
not
necessarily
about
the
composition
of
that
advisory
group.
Although
I
know
there
are
questions
there,
but
particularly
with
regard
to
whether
some
members
of
that
advisory
group
have
conflicts
that
somehow
need
to
be
declared
or
disclosed
and
I'll
I'll
say
to
that.
N
The
short
answer
is
no,
and
the
reason
is
because
I
I
think,
as
we've
talked
about
before
this
stakeholder
group
is
an
advisory
group
to
staff.
This
group
itself
is
not
making
recommendations
to
a
governing
body,
either
the
planning,
commission
or
city
council.
It's
simply
helping
staff
put
together
proposed
code
changes
that
will
get
then
go
through
the
regular
process,
with
public
input
at
both
the
planning,
commission
and
council
levels.
N
It
is,
it
is
a
stakeholder
group
which,
by
definition,
depending
on
how
one
looks
at
it,
includes
people
that
have
various
stakes,
expertise,
involvement
with
the
issues
and
outcomes.
So
while
I
do
understand
that
there
are
ongoing
questions
about
the
composition
and
maybe
balance
of
this
group-
and
I
think
those
are
obviously
fine
to
keep
discussing-
I
do
think
it
is
important
to
at
least
try
to
put
this
conflicts
issue
to
bed
from
a
legal
perspective.
N
C
Since
I'm
the
one
that
brought
up
the
the
conflict
of
interest,
I
I
appreciate
your
input
and
I
can
I
thoroughly
understand
the
the
the
fact
that
we
are.
We
are
not
going
to
be
required
to
disclose
any
potential
conflicts.
So
thank
you
for
that
explanation.
N
Okay,
thanks
other
other
issues,
I
mean
I
I
I
I
frankly
don't
know
that
I
have
much
to
say
on
some
of
the
ongoing
concerns
about
the
balance
of
the
group.
I
understand
the
concerns,
but
I
think
we've
talked
about
that
happy
to
try
to
answer
questions
about
that.
If
there
are
any,
I
heard
what
you
said
lisa
I
I
appreciated
it.
N
So
because
of
what
I
just
alluded
to
that
this
group
is
not
constructed
to
as
a
group
provide
recommendations
to
the
planning,
commission
or
council,
but
instead
to
provide
input
to
staff.
If
members
of
this
group
want
to
participate
in
the
upcoming
public
hearings,
they
should
do
that
as
individuals.
N
There's
obviously,
nothing
preventing
much
or
even
discouraging
a
member
of
this
stakeholder
group
from
testifying
in
an
individual
capacity
at
one
of
the
public
hearings
on
this,
but
I
do
think
we
need
to
be
a
little
bit
mindful
because
this
advisory,
the
stakeholder
group,
contains
representatives
from
the
nla
it
contains.
Members
of
the
planning
commission,
I
believe,
there's
a
member
of
the
affordable
housing
advisory
committee
on
the
is
there
a
bdab
member
in
the
group.
I
can't
recall
if
oh
michaela
might
be
saving
me.
N
She
is
saving
me
great,
so
here's
the
here's,
the
roster
so
to
the
extent
we
have
members
of
this
group
that
want
to
participate
in
the
upcoming
hearings
at
the
planning
commission
in
city
or
the
work
session
or
the
hearings
of
planning.
Commissioner
city
council,
we
all
need
to
be
very
mindful
of
what
capacity
they're
participating.
N
I
mean
that's
what
hans
and
lisa
are
that's
what
you're
going
to
do
when
you
participate
you're,
going
to
be
participating
as
representatives
from
the
nla
in
that
capacity
to
the
extent
you're
providing
input?
It's
going
to
be
what
the
nla
as
a
whole
decided
in
terms
of
the
input
that
was
going
to
be
provided.
N
I
would
expect
the
members
of
our
other
appointed
committees
to
be
doing
the
same
if
they're
participating
as
a
member
of
that
committee
and
representing
the
views
of
that
committee,
if
another
member,
if
another
member
of
this
group
wants
to
participate
as
an
individual,
they
can
certainly
do
that.
They
can
certainly
do
that
through
the
public
testimony
components
of
the
proceedings,
but
they
just
need
to
be
clear
that
they're
participating
and
testifying
as
an
individual
that
doesn't
mean
they
can't
say
yeah.
N
I
was
on
the
stakeholder
group
and
participated
in
a
lot
of
the
work
to
put
these
recommendations
together,
but
they
need
to
be
very
clear
when,
if
they're
testifying
that
they're
testifying
as
an
individual,
not
as
a
representative
of
this
group,
because,
as
I
said
earlier
again
harping
a
little
bit,
this
group
wasn't
built
to
provide
recommendations
to
the
planning,
commission
or
the
council.
It
was
built
to
help
staff
put
together
proposals
for
the
planning,
commission
and
the
council
to
consider
with
public
input.
N
So
for
those
who
are
interested
in
this
and
have
participated,
you
all
just
need
to
be
very
careful
how
you
frame
your
participation
going
forward.
I'm
really
not
I'm
kind
of
preaching
to
the
choir
here.
N
I
think
nla
folks
on
this
call
understand
this,
but
for
for
those
who
are
concerned
about
this
advisory
group,
its
composition
or
the
roles
that
that
its
members
may
play
going
forward
as
we
move
towards
hearings
at
the
planning
commission
city
council,
I
can
tell
you-
and
I
hope
this
will
be
reassuring-
that
I
think
staff,
including
myself
and
the
city
attorney's
office-
will
try
to
be.
I
think,
mindful
and
watchful
of
how
people
are
framing
their
participation,
so
that
the
decision
makers,
planning
commissioning
council
can
can
be
clear
about
who's.
N
Speaking
and
in
what
capacity
I
can't.
I
can't
promise
you
that
we
are
going
to
be
see
it
necessary
to
to
sort
of
burst
in
and
clarify
on
the
spot
during
hearings,
but
I
think
I
think
it's
something
that
we
probably
need
to
figure
out
how
to
communicate
in
an
advisory
capacity.
Two
members
of
this
group
going
forward,
who
may
be
participating
in
the
planning,
commission
and
council
proceedings
just
to
make
sure
that
they're
clear
about
in
what
capacity,
they're,
they're,
testifying
or
participating.
E
B
I
think
I
think
pauline
has
had
her
hand
up
for
a
while.
I
think
she
may
want
to
dovetail
on
something
you
discussed
pauline.
M
Thank
you
chair.
I
was
just
going
to
highlight:
michaela
put
up
the
composition
of
the
stakeholder
advisory
group
and
I've
heard
many
times
that
there's
about
12
people
on
there.
So
I
think
it's
just
good
just
to
let
everyone
know
who's
on
there.
There's
15
members
on
the
advisory
group.
M
The
nla
has
two
people
representing
the
nla:
there's
only
one
planning,
commissioner
and
one
member
from
the
affordable
housing
advisory
committee.
We
do
have
audrey
allen
who
does
affordable
housing
developments
as
in
a
designer
jesse
russell's
on
the
committee.
He
has
been
developing
on
the
small
side,
so
he
does
the
cottage
housing
and
small
dwelling
units
like
around
900
square
feet
or
smaller.
Typically,
we
have
two
larger
developers
with
polish
and
hidden
hubs
on
the
committee,
and
then
we
have
some
organizations
on
the
committee
as
well
karna's
with
the
central
oregon
builders
association.
M
We
have
mowi
who's
with
central
oregon
land
watch
and,
I
believe,
is
also
a
neighborhood
association
board.
Member
alexis
vital
is
with
a
thousand
friends
and
then
we
have-
and
I
believe
sarah
santa
is
no
longer
part
of
the
southern
crossing
neighborhood
association
board
member.
So
I
need
to
update
this
table,
but
we'll
just
consider
a
resident
and
then
bill
bernardi
and
mike
walker.
Two
additional
neighborhood
association
members.
B
Okay,
thank
you.
Pauline
I'm
going
to
point
out
that
we've
gone
beyond
our
time
frame.
So
let's
try
to
be
succinct.
If
we
have
other
questions
or
comments
and
did
we
give
you
fair
time
to
discuss
your
bullet
points,
I
think
so,
yep,
okay,
are
there
any
pressing
questions
in
terms
of
anything?
Ian
spoke
to
or
pauline
jim
cristo.
N
I
no
good
question
and
I
I
think
I
heard
myself
use
recommendation
in
a
couple
of
different
contexts.
The
the
key
issue
is
not
it's
not
really
the
product
I.e
a
recommendation.
It's
it's!
Where
it's
directed
this
group
is
making,
we
can
say,
recommendations
to
city
staff.
I
mean
you
could
also
characterize
it
differently,
but
what?
N
So
it's
really
the
the
recipient
of
the
work,
whether
it's
a
recommendation
or
something
else
versus
the
work
product,
and
if,
if
that
answers
the
question,
sorry
jones,
I
I
think
pauline
may
want
a
chance
to
cover
some
things
that
I
missed
or
didn't
get
to.
If
we
can
do
it
fairly.
M
You
know
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
a
couple
things
on
the
presentation
that
was
given.
One
of
the
items
that
said
that
was
going
to
be
struck
from
the
code
is
lot
coverage
that
is
not
being
struck
from
the
draft.
We
are
keeping
the
lock
coverages
that
we
have
today,
except
a
little
bit
of
cleanup,
removing
a
date
of
1998
and
we'll
go
into
details
about
that.
The
height
said
30
feet.
There
are
zones
that
allow
35
feet
and
so
we're
not
changing
any
of
the
height
requirements.
M
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
not
just
30
that
there
are
areas
that
allow
35..
The
density
is
going
away,
the
maximums
that
is
required
by
the
house
bill.
So
it
really
wasn't
up
for
too
much
discussion
with
the
stakeholder
advisory
group,
because
the
house
bill
clearly
states
that
we
have
to
do
away
with
the
maximum
densities
and
then
for
parking.
We
are
in
compliance
with
what
is
being
required
of
us
for
the
house
bill
and
or
model
code
for
the
duplexes,
quads,
townhouses
and
cottage
clusters.
M
M
Oh
and
then
one
last
thing
just
for
clarification,
I
thought
I
heard
dave
say
that
he
could
possibly
take
his
large
lot.
Make
four
new
lots.
I
believe
his
zoning
is
the
low
density
residential,
so
it
would
not
be
4
000
square
foot
lots,
it
would
be
10
000
square
foot,
lots
so
just
details
and
as
we
get
the
draft
together,
it'll
hopefully
come
together
a
little
bit
better
for
everybody.
Thank
you.
E
Yeah,
I
think
that
maybe
pauline
and
and
maybe
mike
walker
are
working
on
some
kind
of
grid.
To
summarize
all
of
these
things,
that
would
be
incredibly
helpful
to
all
of
the
land
use
chairs
and
that's
something
that
we've
been
asking
for
for
a
little
while
and
we
just
haven't
been
able
to
get
it.
So
if
there's
something
available
we'd
like
to
see
that
sooner
than
later-
and
I
I
do
appreciate
the
attention
to
detail-
so
thank
you
pauline
for
bringing
it.
M
Now,
just
for
claire,
I'm
not
working
on
a
chart,
maybe
mike
walker
is
he's
sent
me
one
and
I've
provided
some
clarifications
to
his
work.
But
I
am
not
currently
preparing
a
comparison
chart.
E
Okay,
I
think
I
also
sent
an
email
some
time
ago
asking
if
it
would
be
possible
to
have
something
like
that.
It's
desperately
needed
in
order
for
us
to
understand
all
of
the
details.
E
I
think
we
had
one
more
slide,
but
if
not,
then
before
we
move
into
the
land
use
working
group
update,
I
I
just
want
to
ask
if
there's
any
other
questions,
is
there
any
anything
that
the
nla
members
feel
like?
We
need
to
do
prior
to
the
work
session
for
next
week.
E
Great,
thank
you.
So
this
outlines
the
next
steps.
The
draft
code
is
supposed
to
be
completed.
I
think
pauline
you
communicated
that
it'll
be
done
by
next
friday.
For
the
committee
review.
There
is
another
meeting
of
hb
2001
stakeholder
group
as
of
april
28th.
That
means
from
one
to
three
and
anybody
can
listen
in
on
the
conversation.
So
I
encourage
those
of
you
who
are
interested
to
do
so,
then
my
understanding
is
that
there
will
be
a
presentation
of
the
code.
E
B
Lisa,
I'm
going
to
volunteer
that.
I
think
there
is
a
collective
understanding
that
there
are
concerns.
I
don't
know.
I
think
it's
probably
premature
for
us
to
have
a
motion
to
take
a
position
on
this,
but
I
think,
as
representatives
to
council,
we
have
an
opportunity
to
share
this
information.
I
appreciate
pauline
clarifying
a
couple
of
technicalities.
E
G
Sorry
I
know
you're
trying
to
move
on.
I
just
so
I
just
wanted
to
to
also
you
know
mention
that
after
we
have
this
hb
2001
update.
As
you
all
know,
we
will
also
be
having
the
parking
minimums
discussion
and
that,
hopefully,
if
you
have
a
chance
to
to
view
that
there'll,
be
you
know,
a
lot
of
really
informative.
Hopefully,
will
help
clear
up
some
of
these,
these
these
lines
of
confusion
that
are
happening
right
now,
because
it
will
be.
I
mean
this
is
just.
G
It
is
just
a
work
session,
there's
no
specific
action,
it
it's
about
just
learning
more
about
parking
minimums,
so
just
wanted
to
encourage
you
all
again
to
to
listen
to
that.
E
Thank
you
and
I
think,
you're
going
to
have
quite
a
few
people
attending
and
listening
and
adding
to
the
conversation.
But
also
everyone
should
be
aware
that
during
the
work
session,
council
can
make
a
recommendation
or
can
direct
staff
to
take
additional
steps.
E
So
just
be
mindful
of
that
michaela
I
think
I'm
ready
to
talk
land
use,
working
group
update
and
yeah
you're
going
to
skip
ahead.
Terrific,
I
I
know
you
guys
have
seen
this
slide,
we're
still
working
on
the
documents.
I
I
got
to
tell
you
it's
a
tough
slog,
but
with
how
many
people
are
reviewing
the
documents
each
time
michaela.
Is
it
something
like
nine
people.
K
D
E
Seven
people
in
our
group
yeah
and
then
I
gotta
also
mention
with
great
respect
that
we've
got
attorneys
involved
and
engineers
involved
and
grammar
nazis.
E
I'm
teasing,
but
you
know
it's
a
it's
a
little
bit
of
a
slog
to
get
through
these
documents,
and
I
am
very
happy
that
we
at
least
have
three
more
documents
in
front
of
you
this
evening.
We
continue
to
work
mostly
on
the
community
guide.
The
rest
of
the
documents
really
are
focused
under
the
the
community
guide
resources
and
the
three
documents
you
have
in
front
of
you
this
evening
are
all
frequently
asked
questions.
E
These
were
prioritized
and
we
felt
like
this
information
was
going
to
be
a
good
service
to
the
community,
with
someone's
approval
motion
this
evening.
We
can
adopt
these
and
get
them
out
on
websites
and
start
to
use
them.
So
do
I
have
any
questions
from
among
the
nla
you
were
given.
These
frequently
asked
question
documents
with
the
agenda.
E
I
I
I
I'm
sorry
it's
into
the
land
use
notifications
frequently
asked
questions
and
it's
in
the
land.
Use
applications
frequently
asked
questions.
If
you
want
to
put
that
up
on
the
screen,
I
can
show
you
what
sentence
I'm
talking
about.
E
I
E
B
I
would
say
that
I
moved
to
approve
the
faaqs
subject
to
the
addition
of
the
sentence
that
jim
proposed
and
I
would
ask
that
these
resources
be
made
available
to
the
city
as
soon
as
the
community
education
portion
of
the
land
use
education
plan
is
complete.
That
is
the
motion.
Is
there
a
second
to
that.
E
I
want
to
clarify
that
I
think
these
frequently
asked
questions
can
be
made
available,
not
at
completion,
but
in
the
interim
michaela.
Can
you
clarify
that
for
us.
D
Yeah,
we
can
definitely
send
them
back
to
the
neighborhood
associations
and
land
use
chairs.
That's
awesome,
I
think
there's
just
not
a
place
quite
yet
for
it
to
live
on
the
city's
website,
and
so
once
we
have
that
drafted
and
ready
to
go.
It'll
also
be
on
the
website.
Thank.
E
B
E
Thanks
everybody,
the
last
slide.
Michaela,
is
just
a
reminder
of
where
we're
at
in
the
process,
and
we
still
have
a
bit
of
time.
E
So
I
guess
maybe
we
are
getting
close.
I
would.
C
I
would
like
to
thank
everybody
that
has
participated
in
this
discussion
today.
A
lot
of
things
that
were
not
clear
have
been
cleared
up
and-
and
I
just
want
to
pass
on
my
appreciation
to
to
both
the.
E
B
We
would
get
to
provide
as
many
documents
as
possible
and
you
know
we'll
find
out
over
time
the
effectiveness
of
this
education
plan,
but
it
certainly
has
expanded,
and
I
appreciate
that
staff
has
been
patient
with
us
as
we
continue
to
add
more
and
more
resources,
and
I'm
going
to
be
speaking
to
council
through
councillor
perkins
that
we're
going
to
look
for
continued
support,
because
we've
identified
work
product
that
we
probably
can't
complete
by
june
30.
But
we
think
it
is
really
important.
B
We
think
it's
a
value
and
we
think
that
continued
support
by
staff
obviously
has
to
come
from
council
because
we're
going
to
ask
for
some
support
going
into
the
new
fiscal
year.
But
it
is
important
and
we're
trying
to
expedite
as
much
as
we
can.
So.
I
kind
of
need
to
put
that
out
there
that
we're
going
to
be
looking
for
just
a
little
more
support,
because
we
did
expand
the
scope
and
I
think
the
work
product
is
going
to
show
it
over
time.
B
Next
topic
up
is
boundaries
working
group.
We
are
still
in
the
process
of
looking
for
a
little
more
clarification
on
direction
and
such
I
don't
want
to
avoid
giving
karen
an
opportunity.
I
know
there's
no
april
meeting
scheduled
at
the
moment,
but
karen.
If
there's
anything,
you
need
to
share
on
behalf
of
the
boundaries
working
group.
It's
all
yours.
H
D
D
Many
of
you
have
worked
with,
who
will
be
helping
us
do
a
strategic
planning
workshop
which
we're
hoping
to
be
able
to
do
in
may,
and
so
I
think
that
that
will
really
outline
what
this
working
group
will
be
able
to
do
and
what
they're
going
to
be
focused
on
as
well
as
some
more
clarification
with
council
goals
in
the
work
plan.
That's
going
into
what
what
the
nla
might
be
supporting.
D
So
I
think
right
now,
just
today
was
the
due
date
for
those
surveys
from
the
nla.
D
If
your
neighborhood
association
has
not
yet
taken
the
survey,
I
would
encourage
you
to
do
that,
and
we
have,
I
think,
eight
or
nine
that
have
submitted,
but
there's
still
a
few
more
that
we
need
and
in
order
to
have
a
successful
strategic
planning,
we
want
to
know
where
everybody
else
is
at.
So
you
have
a
little
bit
of
time,
but
not
much
so.
I'd
appreciate
final
responses
soon,.
H
And
one
of
those
questions
was,
if
you
think
boundaries
should
be
a
priority
of
the
nla,
and
so
we
were
waiting
to
see
what
the
other
neighborhood
associations,
what
said
to
kind
of
reassess
what
our
direction
might
be
so
holding
sorry.
So
no.
B
Good
point
guarantee
that,
to
that
point
I
think
if
we
find
from
the
input
the
survey
input
from
the
nas
that
they
prioritize
boundaries,
I
think
that's
the
sort
of
information
that
council
would
want
to
take
into
consideration
as
they
you
know,
develop
goals
or
what
level
of
support
to
give
it
and
we'll
see.
Hopefully,
we
get
the
last
few
stragglers
coming
in
pretty
soon.
B
Okay,
wildfire
resiliency
planned
steering
committee
long
name
for
something
that's
on
hold
and
on
hold
for
good
reason,
because
the
state
is
doing
some
important
information
and
work,
and
I
know
it's
on
hold
we'll
get
to
that
in
time.
Sean
mcfadden
is
there
anything
you
need
to
tell
us
on
that
other
than
it's
on
hold,
which
you
already
reported
last
month.
B
C
I've
been
asked
by
my
board
to
to
mention
to
to
the
the
wildfire
committee
that
the
southeast
butts
the
forest
and
we
could.
We
could
be
in
danger
of
the
same
destruction
as
the
as
the
northwest,
so
old
farm
would
like
to
be,
and
southeast
would
like
to
be
included
in
all
of
the
discussions
about
the
wildfire
committee.
B
B
Regarding
her
event
on
april
22nd,
when
we
do
reports-
and
I
would
say-
we've
talked
about
this
before-
and
we
use
paradise
california
as
an
example
much
of
the
destruction
there
was
caused
by
homes
that
weren't
defensible,
embers
that
were
carried
from
miles
away
to
so
to
your
point,
dave
just
because
the
west
side
may
feel
a
little
more
exposed
and
vulnerable,
because
the
forest,
it
doesn't
mean
that
any
other
part
of
the
city
isn't
vulnerable.
B
So
good
point
totally
support
everyone
getting
involved
in
this
okay.
Thank
you.
Okay,
I'm
going
to
close
out
it
before
reports,
I'm
going
to
close
out
with.
I
guess
a
thank
you
to
the
city.
You
know
the
nla
has
been
pretty
vocal
about
saying
we
want
to
be
included.
We
want
to
be
a
resource.
We
want
to
be
a
part
of
the
discussion,
the
dialogue,
and
we
certainly
want
to
promote
the
idea
that
there's
more
and
more
community
and
citizen
involvement.
B
To
that
end,
I
want
to
say
thank
you
to
council
and
staff
for
the
creation
of
a
sounding
board.
Saudi
board
is
addressing
two
particular
points
when
it
comes
to
solutions
for
homelessness,
and
this
will.
Ultimately,
this
is
an
expedited
program,
meaning
that
there
is
an
intent
within
the
next
six
months
to
make
recommendations
and
strategies
to
counsel
for
implementation,
on
homelessness
solutions,
and
I
want
to
I
asked
michaela
to
bring
up
this
slide,
because
this
is
really
critical
and
I
want
to.
B
So
I
I'm
hoping
to
get
out
in
front
of
this
by
saying
that
when
you
look
at
this
slide
again,
it's
a
compressed
program,
the
first
two
months,
meaning
the
second
and
fourth
wednesdays
of
april
and
may
there
will
be
important
dialogue
and
note
that
in
may
pure
communities
what
is
needed?
What
would
work
for
bend?
I
really
want
to
encourage
you
to
promote
this
sounding
board
to
your
nas,
try
and
get
people
if
they
have
the
time.
Please
get
them
to
attend
and
hear
the
dialogue.
B
Because
again,
this
is
a
situation
where
we're
going
to
start
talking
about
really
important
potential
code,
changes
and
recommendations
to
counsel,
and
I
would
hate
for
us
to
be
doing
that
and
then
after
we
draft
language
and
consideration
a
la.
If
you
look
at
the
june
time
frame,
bdc
draft
language,
consideration
of
public
input.
B
Okay,
I'm
gonna,
I'm
putting
on
my
nla
hat
here.
Clearly,
I
think
we
ought
to
ask
first,
what
does
the
community
think
about
these
things
and
then
think
about
how
we
draft
code
changes?
But
at
the
same
time
I
understand
the
point
of
view
that
you
have
nothing
for
direction
to
say
to
the
community,
so
I
get
that,
but
I
want
to
encourage
you
all.
I
am
the
representative.
B
I
am
the
nla
representative
and
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
I
asked
for
it
and
I
appreciate
this
opportunity,
but
I
am
not
alone
in
this,
so
please
encourage
your
members
if
they
can
to
attend,
especially
the
april
and
especially
the
may
meetings.
So
they
will
understand
that
this
is
an
expedited
effort,
but
expedited
doesn't
mean
trying
to
avoid
community
input
and
citizen
input,
but
we
just
don't
have
the
time
to
do
the
kind
of
outreach
we'd
like
to
do
before
we
start
getting
into
the
meat
of
the
work.
So
enough
said
on
that.
G
I
just
wanted
to
button
and
say
that
I'm
really
excited
about
tomorrow's
first
meeting
for
the
sounding
board.
I'm
the
liaison
to
this
group
as
well,
and
I
totally
agree
with
you
hans.
It's
so
important
that
we,
we
don't
have
a
situation
where
the
process
moves
moves
along
to
the
finish
and
then
and
then
the
public
gets
involved
when
it's
you
know
when
we,
when
we're
already
basically
done
with
the
process,
so
I
would
just
want
to
just
reiterate:
please
please
stay
involved
in
this
as
we
go
through
it.
G
Please
give
us
your
thoughts
and
opinions
as
as
we
move
forward,
we
are
trying
to
meet
a
need
and
meet
a
need
very
quickly,
but
that
does
not
mean
that
we
should
not
have
public
input
as
we
go
forward.
B
Thank
you,
counselor
and
I'll
point
out.
I
think
it
was
today
that
the
ben
bulletin,
I
think
it
was
today
if
it
wasn't
today
it
was
yesterday.
The
ben
bulletin
announced
the
sounding
board
group
and
again
it'd
be
wonderful
if
we
could
take
lots
of
time
and
get
great
deals
of
input,
and
we
certainly
want
to
do
that.
But
this
is
a.
This
is
a
fast
schedule,
it's
in
the
fast
lane,
and
so
we
just
really
need
to
do
our
part
to
encourage
people.
Let
them
know
what's
happening,
ask
for
input.
B
H
I
just
have
a
question:
how
how
can
we
get
notice
about
when
the
meetings
are?
If
you
want
us
to
yeah
the.
B
There's
one
tomorrow
morning,
it's
a
little
late
to
tell
you
about
that
one,
but
there's
certainly
plenty
of
time
to
get
everyone
on
board
for
the
next
meeting
and
tomorrow
tomorrow
is
just
a
it's,
not
necessarily
a
meet
and
greet
we'll
get
some
work
done,
but
it
is,
it
is
a
kickoff
meeting,
so
tomorrow
might
not
be
as
critical
as.
C
Can
we
get
the
credentials
michaela.
D
Yeah-
and
we
have
susannah
on,
she
has
her
hand
raised,
so
I
just
wanted
to
give
her
a
chance.
Maybe
she
can
respond
better
than
I
there.
She.
B
K
L
Okay,
hi
everyone,
let's
see
so
I
don't
know
how
I
can
show
my
video,
but
anyway
yeah
you
can
sign
up
on
the
soundingboard
website.
I
can
michaela
can
get
the
link
to
you
for
e-updates
of
the
meetings
but
yeah
they're
going
to
be
the
second
and
fourth
wednesdays
in
april
and
may
and
then
we'll
probably
start
meeting
once
a
month
after
that,
so
yeah
so
go
ahead
and
attend.
If
you
want
to
and
going
to
be
good
quick.
L
Oh,
no,
it's
okay
and
tomorrow
will
be
kind
of
introductory
we'll
spend
some
time
on
committee
rules
and
stuff
like
that.
So
tomorrow's,
not
probably
like
you,
know,
super
critical
to
attend,
but
the
next
one,
I
think,
will
be
more
informative
and
focused
on
the
topic
of
transitional
housing
and
shelter
types.
So.
L
B
B
We
have
had
excellent
results
from
mailers
in
terms
of
membership
increase.
Our
last
one
took
us
from,
I
think,
600
members
to
800
members
that
was
significant
and
we're
expecting
hoping
for
good
things.
B
B
B
B
E
Thanks
hans,
I
kind
of
just
want
to
hit
ditto
on
your
presentation,
but
century
west
is
meeting
this
week
for
our
board
meeting
and
we're
finalizing
our
plans
for
our
annual
meeting
next
week
april.
22Nd.
E
The
way
that
that's
working
is
it
for
the
first
I
think,
half
hour
century
west
will
be
meeting
and
talking
about
some
bylaw
changes
and
board
nominations,
so
that
part
has
not
been
published
out
to
the
community.
But
then
the
second
part
is
what
we
are
publishing
out
to
the
community,
and
that
is
the
fire
ready
ben
program,
and
that
is
something
that
we
created
about
three
years
ago.
E
E
Let's
see
trying
to
think
if
I
have
anything
else
to
report,
I'm
excited
to
hear
about
working
with
hans
and
and
maybe
sean
on
an
evacuation
plan.
I
think
that's
something
that
would
be
very
important
to
our
members
and
gosh
I'm
not
coming
up
with
anything
else.
That's
it
I'll
pass.
H
Thanks,
I
just
had
a
question
we're
supposed
to
identify
locations
for
the
radar
signs,
and
last
year
we
used
the
sites
where
we
put
in
applications
for
the
nsp
projects,
because
we
had
a
lot
of
applications
regarding
speeding
in
those
three
areas
in
our
neighborhood.
How
are
other
neighborhoods
deciding
where
the
radar
signs
are
going
to
go
and
is
there
any
city,
data
or
information
that
could
help
us
with
that
decision?
B
Yeah,
karen,
let
me
let
me
just
say
I
will
tell
you
briefly
that
abna
is
basing
a
lot
of
this
on
both
member
input.
We
get
a
lot
of
calls.
Frankly,
most
of
them
are
for
speeding
on
mount
washington,
we're
also
looking
at
topography
some
of
the
steeper
streets
where
we
know
speeding
happens,
and
I
have
to
confess
that
I
don't
recall
the
city
site.
Michaela
can
help
us
with
this,
but
there
is
a
city
site
where
we
can
look
at
radar
data
that
includes
speeds
and
volume,
and
you
can
do
that.
B
E
I'm
not
sure
if
I
have
the
exact
answer,
but
to
echo
what
hans
is
saying,
we
kind
of
know
what
our
trouble
sparks
are,
but
we
also
have
had
specific
hoas
reach
out
to
us
to
say:
hey.
We
need
some
help.
We
have
an
issue
that
is
happening
in
our
in
our
neighborhood
or
our
our
community
and
they
are
now
becoming
aware
of
the
radar
signs
and
so
they're
now
making
specific
requests,
but
in
century
west
we
know
what
our
trouble
spots
are.
E
So
it's
just
knowing
your
trouble
spots
and
you
you
kind
of
what
I've
learned
is
that
you
have
to
rotate,
because
you
don't
get
the
sign
for
very
long
and
you
certainly
don't
get
the
sign
that
is
gonna
help.
You
cover
canvas
your
entire
neighborhood
for
the
duration
of
the
the
season,
so
you
just
have
to
kind
of
pick
and
choose
and
rotate,
and
as
part
of
that,
I
do
want
to
bring
up
that.
E
We
had
chief
krantz
attend
a
special
meeting
last
month,
and
this
was
a
combination,
effort
of
aubry
and
summit
and
century,
and
one
of
the
items
that
chief
krantz
said
that
he
would
advocate
for
is
the
ability
of
each
individual
neighborhood
association
to
have
a
speed
radar
sign
that
could
be
utilized
just
for
that
particular
neighborhood.
So
it
would
be
an
enhancement
to
the
current
program.
H
Okay,
well,
that
gives
me
some
ideas
and
I
anyway
we'll
continue
to
work
on
that.
We're
continuing
to
work
with
century
west
and
southwest
bend,
neighborhood
association
on
the
coid
property,
so
the
three
nas
are
working
together
and
we
did
a
tour
of
the
property
with
a
city
council,
member
and
a
men's
park,
and
rec
person
did
a
walking
tour.
That
was
very
educational
and
jointly
did
an
update
that
went
out
today.
I
Oh,
thank
you.
Let's
see,
our
board
is
going
to
be
meeting
this
thursday
and
the
mayor
has
indicated
she
will
be
in
attendance.
I
I
Let's
see,
we
still
have
two
board
vacancies.
We've
been
asking
a
couple
people
to
fill,
but
so
far
no
success
there.
I
just
got
a
report
today
that
the
murphy
road
between
country,
club,
drive
and
apparel
road
is
open.
One
way,
although
our
vice
chair
says
last
night,
it
was
not
so
I
don't
know
how
accurate
that
that
report
is.
This
is
apparently
a
weekly
report
that
was
sent
out
by
the
by
the
city
and
also
they
have
removed
any
kind
of
potential
completion
date.
I
Although
talking
to
some
of
the
workers,
it
may
be
as
early
as
june.
1St
so-
and
I
know
people
around
our
community
are
really
anxious
to
get
that
road
open
because
it's
a
major
through
affair-
and
you
know
the
detours-
we
have
to
take
go
through
some
neighborhoods
and
that's
not
the
best,
so
we're
very
looking
forward
to
it.
I
K
Two
issues:
the
deschutes
river
trail
along
riverfront,
it's
a
very
narrow
street
with
poor
sidewalks,
and
it
has
a
lot
of
foot
traffic
come
summer
and
we
really
think
the
city
and
parks
should
be
able
to
get
together
and
either
much
improve
the
sidewalks
to
trail
standards,
which
is
10
feet
wide,
which
is,
of
course,
a
large
sidewalk,
or
allow
only
local
traffic
on
on
the
street,
which
would
leave
much
more
room
for
all
the
bicycles,
pedestrians
and
everybody
else
that
quite
frankly,
use
the
street,
because
the
sidewalks
are
so
terrible.
K
So
we're
thinking
we're
gonna
have
progress
there.
The
other
issue
is
a
final.
We
have
a
lot
of
cut
through
traffic
into
neighborhoods
again
to
get
between
franklin
and
colorado
and
it
seems
like
the
city
can't
decide
whether
it
likes.
K
Ears
at
the
corners
or
speed
bumps
or
little
circles
in
the
middle
of
the
street
they're,
but
rather
than
measuring
it,
we
already
know
it's
it's
an
unsafe
situation
and
it
makes
it
the
neighborhood
somewhat
unwalkable,
because
of
so
much
cut
through
traffic
that
the
arterials
aren't
handling
all
the
traffic.
I
C
We're
planning
our
general
meeting
and
now
what
we're
what
we
are
requesting
is
that
someone
from
the
city
put
together
a
briefing
on
navigating
the
the
new
land
use
online
system,
and
so
I
guess
this
is
this-
is
kind
of
an
outreach
to
the
city
to
to
step
up
and
put
together
some
kind
of
of
briefing
that
that
gives
us
some
navigation
ideas
about
using
city
views.
C
C
We
would
include
southeast
and
luxembourg
in
our
general
meeting
and
try
to
try
to
have
at
least
you
know
the
east
side,
southeast
side
covered
with
that
one
briefing,
and
I
guess
it
would
be
useful
for
for
other
nas
as
well.
B
Dave
to
that
point
originally
actually
michaela
and
lisa,
and
I
had
hoped
to
have
exactly
that
for
this
nla
meeting
we
weren't
able
to
pull
that
off,
but
yeah.
I
think
that's
a
great
idea,
and
I
would
I
would
take
the
opportunity
to
to
speak
to
councillor
perkins
by
saying
that
one
of
the
reasons
the
land
use
working
group
needs
a
little
extra
time
is.
B
Our
entire
schedule
was
greatly
affected
by
the
long
delays
of
city
view
and
that's
no
one's
fault,
but
it
really
didn't
didn't
facilitate
the
work
we
were
trying
to
do
so
to
the
extent
that
there's
a
reason
that
we
didn't
really
get
closure
on
our
action
items.
Part
of
it
is,
is
city
view
and
again
no
one's
fault.
It's
just
a
fact
of
life.
Dave,
I'm
sorry
didn't
mean
to
cut
you
off,
though,.
C
No,
that's,
okay!
I'm
I'm
just
asking
for
someone
from
the
city
to
step
up
and
and
put
together
that
that
navigation
briefing
so
that
we
can
present
that
at
our
general
meeting.
C
B
D
Michaela
I
just
wanted
to
pop
in
here
because
there's
some
stuff
going
on
behind
the
scenes
that
you
might
not
be
aware
of
with
the
cityview
trainings,
since
we
were
trying
to
get
that
on
this
month's
agenda
we
weren't
able
to,
but
we
are
hoping
to
be
able
to
do
a
training
at
the
end
of
the
month.
D
The
tentative
date
right
now
is
on
thursday
april
29th
from
11
to
12.,
and
the
hope
is
that
we
can
tailor
the
information
specific
to
neighborhood
associations
and
land
use
chairs
so
that
it's
helping
you
navigate
and
we're
going
to
record
that.
So,
if
you're
not
able
to
attend
the
meeting,
you
will
have
it
afterwards
to
take
a
look
at
and
then
dave.
If
you
guys
are
wanting
someone
to
come
to
your
meeting
and
do
a
review
at
that
time.
D
You
just
need
to
reach
out
to
me
and
let
me
know
and
I'll
see
what
I
can
do
too.
Okay.
C
B
O
We
haven't
met
in
a
while,
but
we
have
managed
to
fill
up
our
full
board,
so
we're
meeting
tomorrow
should
be
able
to
start
taking
on
action
items.
One
thing
we
have
been
able
to
do
is
get
a
lot
of
interest
from
local
or
the
smaller
homeowners
associations
in
being
firewise
certified.
So
we've
got
a
couple
of
those
in
process
right
now,
hopefully,
by
the
summer
we'll
get
those
through
and
that's
about
it.
B
All
good
stuff,
hopefully
get
some
of
that
done
before
the
summer.
Yeah,
oh,
and
by
the
way,
just
just
a
reminder
folks,
next
month,
opportunity
for
free
debris.
So
if
that's
not
on
your
radar,
be
sure
it
is
starts.
May
1st
and
it's
an
opportunity
to
clean
up
your
you
know
clean
up
your
yard
and
make
things
a
little
fire
safe
and
there's
no
charge
just
haul
it
off,
and
it's
free,
steve,
pine.
P
Yo,
thank
you
hi
before
I
start
on
this
thing,
mckayla
when
you
send,
in
those
the
city
view
trainings
on
april
29th,
to
dates
or
the
wherewithal
to
get
in
the
credit
credentials,
and
all
that
will
you
include
that
the
meeting
of
the
hb
2001
update
it's
april
28th,
I
think
from
one
to
three.
I
wasn't
sure
where
that
was
going
to
be.
P
You
know
what
the
conventions
are
for
that
and
then
there's
the
public
input
april
may
meetings
so
whatever
we
have
to
know
in
order
to
let
the
board
know
please
thank
you
so
yeah
we
we
discuss
all
the
time
the
boundaries
anxiously
awaiting
the
next
of
those
meetings
coming
up,
because
we've
got
1500,
plus
payless
homes
coming
online
with
the
petrosa
development
here
and
its
impact
on
our
neighborhood
and
it's
character,
and
so
on
we're
already
the
biggest,
and
so
we
don't
really
know.
P
What's
going
to
happen,
a
lot
of
conversation
about
that,
I
got
increased
traffic
like
everybody
does,
and
this
infill
housing
thing
is
happening
pretty
continuously
here
in
our
northeast
area.
So
those
are
issues
we're
always
talking
about.
We
did
have
we
spent
the
last
meeting
almost
the
entirety
of
the
last
meeting.
P
We
had
mike
krantz
there
and
some
crime
and
safety
folks
came
because
we
had
housing
works.
Was
there
ben
police
was
there?
We
had
a
drug
bust
over
there
by
the
endsworth
elementary
school,
which
I'm
sure
was
all
over
the
papers
and
everybody
knew
about
it.
So
that
was
kind.
It
was
a
interesting
and
significant
kind
of
input
on
the
part
of
everyone
concerned.
P
With
regards
to
how
hard
it
is
to
actually
get
into
somebody's
place
when
the
neighbors
are
making
all
kinds
of
complaints
continuously.
So
it
was
enlightening
to
see
how
complex
that
is
and
and
what
it
took
to
make
make
that
happen
happy
to
provide
more
information
for
anybody
who
wants
to
know
about
it.
But
fireworks
is
another
big
deal
for
us.
You
know
we're
right
here,
albute
all
that
stuff.
P
The
chief
continues
to
say
that
he
doesn't
have
the
resources
to
enforce
the
existing
laws.
So
you
know
I
don't
know
we
keep
bumping
up
against
that
same
thing
parking.
We
didn't
take
an
official
position
on
that
matter,
but
all
the
board
members
feel
that
the
requirements
for
off
street
parking
should
remain
as
they
are,
and
I
know
that's
a
big
issue
for
everybody
and
and
we're
certainly
on
board
with
that
and
looking
forward
to
that.
P
That's
why
I
want
to
make
sure
we
can
attend
those
those
next
meetings
on
them
on
the
28th
and
so
on.
In
any
event,
I
think
that's
about
it
yeah.
Thank
you.
J
Yeah,
so
our
general
meeting
is
this
thursday,
the
15th
and
as
of
last
weekend,
we
had
70
people
registered
to
attend
and
that's
record-breaking.
As
far
as
I
know,
and
that's
without
a
reminder
email
to
folks,
so
we
could
end
up
considerably
higher.
We
will
we've
got
a
guest
speaker.
J
Odot
is
going
to
be
talking
to
us
about
the
highway
97
south
project,
and
so
that
could
be
a
pretty
big
issue
facing
our
neighborhood
as
that's
moving
on,
we
have
been
very
focused
on
two
pretty
major
land
use
issues
in
our
neighborhood.
J
One
is
the
coid
property
and
we're
continuing
to
work
with
southern
crossing
and
now
century
west
is
involved,
which
we're
very
glad
about,
and
let's
see,
we
are
also
concerned
about
the
illegal
fireworks
we
have.
The
the
spot
in
the
neighborhood
called
the
pit,
where
some
very
large
fireworks
displays
have
been
ignited
by
groups
over
the
years
and
and
those
fireworks
illegal.
Fireworks
have
started
a
couple
of
fires
in
in
nearby
houses
and
down
in
the
canyon.
J
So
that's
definitely
a
big
concern
of
ours
and
our
neighborhood
green
team
will
begin
our
very
first
cleanup
along
brookswood
on
the
last
friday
of
this
month,
which
is
the
30th
and
typically
they're
anywhere
from
four
to
seven
folks
that
come
out
and
walk
from
the
powers,
roundabout,
all
the
way
to
the
brookswood
plaza
and
also
out
on
murphy
from
the
roundabout
there
and
pick
up
trash.
F
Hi
boyd
acres,
neighborhood
association,
our
last
meeting
we
had
megan
perkins
there
and
we
had
some
lively
discussions
with
her.
F
We
have
a
survey
out
right
now
to
figure
out
if
we're
doing
a
good
job
or
not.
We
have
a
tree
planting
scheduled
at
ponderosa
elementary
on
april
22nd.
F
We
plan
to
have
our
next
meeting
jointly
with
the
folks
who
are
presenting
on
fire
ready,
firewise
information,
and
I
don't
know
if
we've
responded
to
where
we
want
our
side.
Our
speed
signs-
and
I
don't
know
if
we've
responded
to
if
anybody
from
boyd
acres
took
the
survey
michaela.
If
we
haven't,
I
can
get
on
cindy
or
we
can
do
it
as
a
board.
I
kind
of
lost
track
of
that
one.
That's
all.
I
got.
B
Okay,
you
know
regarding
fireworks,
a
couple
of
people
have
mentioned
it
and
lisa,
and
I
participate
in
the
art
meeting
I
as
the
liaison
tonight
for
nla
and
lisa
in
regards
to
her
role
as
cwna
chair.
B
It
was
a
discussion,
and
certainly
there
was
a
very
graphic
video
shared
in
art
with
the
pit
that
was
an
historic
episode.
That
was
alarming.
I
guess,
depending
on
how
you
look
at
it,
but
that
being
said,
I
do
recall
too,
that
the
the
collaborative
meeting
of
cwna
summit
and
abna,
when
chief
krantz
presented
to
us
he
was
very
frank
about
his
resources
in
terms
of
a
city.
This
size,
bpd,
is
very
lean,
and
I
will
tell
you
that,
notwithstanding
every
effort
to
become
more
efficient,
more
effective
use
technology,
the
reality
is
law
enforcement.
B
I
know
for
a
fact
is
a
challenging
endeavor.
I
know
it's
challenging
to
recruit
in
these
days
and
times,
and
I
know
that
recruiting
law
enforcement
officers
and
training
them
to
the
point
that
they
become
proficient
and
useful
takes
a
lot
of
time.
So
I
think,
to
the
extent
that
we
have
concerns
like
fireworks
or
other
things
like
traffic
and
chief
crafts
was
very
very
candid:
he
has
to
make
tough
sort
of
law
enforcement.
Treehouse
decisions
you
know,
do
I
send
people
to
a
dui
or
a
domestic
violence
situation,
or
do
I
write
a
ticket?
B
Those
are
tough
choices.
That's
his
job
he's
paid
to
make
tough
choices.
I
get
that,
but
I
am
very
sympathetic
I
personally
and
I'm
speaking
for
myself,
not
from
my
board.
I
personally
am
very
sympathetic
to
his
situation
and
his
resources
and
demand.
I
know
that
historically,
chief
porter
and
now
chief
krantz
have
done
a
great
job
with
the
resources
they
have,
but
every
year
our
biannual
survey
tells
us
without
question.
Public
safety
has
always
been
number
one.
B
We
kind
of
forget
about
it
when
everything
is
working
well
and
then
we
can
dwell
on
other
things
like
affordable
housing
and
homelessness
and
other
social
issues,
but
by
the
time
we
start
to
see
a
real
challenge
in
public
safety.
It's
almost
too
late
to
make
a
good
course
correction,
so
I
mean
that's
my
voter
support
for
bpd
and
just
an
explanation
that
there
are
some
real
limitations
for
what
we
can
expect
from
bpd,
and
we
all
can
do
things
on
our
own.
B
That
is
be
more
vigilant,
be
more
observant,
not
be
victims
of
opportunities
of
crime,
which
are
happening
more
and
more
closing
garage
doors,
locking
doors.
I
I
know
it's
a
place
we
like
to
think
we
can
trust
anybody
all
the
time,
but
the
reality
is
we
can
protect
ourselves
from
some
of
the
crimes
that
are
happening
and-
and
so
we
we
have
a
role
in
this.
The
same
thing
same
thing
as
putting
down
slow
down
signs.
B
You
know
it's
not
going
to
solve
the
speeding,
but
it
might
have
an
effect,
it's
something
that
was
in
it
within
our
power.
So
I
think
that
we
can
promote
to
rnas
that
every
member
every
resident
has
some
action
items.
They
can
do
to
help
the
situation
out
so
I'll
get
off
my
soapbox
and
say.
Thank
you
all.
Thank
you,
councilor
perkins
staff.
Any
other
comments
before
we
close.
B
Thank
you,
michaela
well
done:
boyd
acres,
okay,
hey,
listen!
Great
meeting
a
lot
of
information
covered,
make
notes
of
all
those
important
dates
that
we
talked
about,
make
sure
to
get
the
word
out.
Council
council
can't
respond
to
citizen
input
if
they
don't
get
it
right.
So
thank
you
all
appreciate
it
good
night
good
evening.