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From YouTube: City Council meeting, Nov. 27, 2018
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Here is the full, unedited video of the City Council meeting recorded Tuesday, Nov. 27, 2018, beginning at 1:30 p.m. The meeting ran for an hour and 55 minutes. To see the published agenda for the meeting, visit www.biloxi.ms.us/agendas/citycouncil/2018/112718/112718agenda.pdf
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Our
consent
agenda
or
substituting
item
5b
resolution
authorizing
expenditures
to
the
Gulf
Coast
Symphony
in
the
amount
of
$1,000
we're
substituting
item.
5J
exhibit
8
only
concerning
change
order
for
Guthrie's
landscaping
and
we're
also
adding
excuse
me
adding
item
5y
resolution
amending
resolution,
644
18
and
approving
the
mo
you
between
Biloxi
lodging
in
the
city
of
Biloxi
Mississippi
I
could.
A
B
G
Authorized
us
to
request
and
then
accept
additional
millage
from
the
county
for
the
port
enterprise
fund,
that
the
additional
additional
millage
that
they
were
to
pay
us
this
year
up
to
one
full
mil.
We
assumed
that
that
at
the
time
would
be
about
a
million
a
half
dollars
in
addition
to
the
debt
service
for
the
old
port
bond,
the
county
has
verbally
told
us
that
they
would
like
to
pay
us
that
money
quarterly,
as
opposed
to
all
at
once,
now
we're
at
the
end,
and
we
have
then
sent
an
invoice
for
one-fourth
of
that
million.
G
A
half
dollars
over
three
hundred
and
seventy
five
thousand
dollars
to
the
county,
and
they
their
Board
of
Supervisors,
will
be
dealing
with
that
at
their
next
meeting.
So
if
that
is
approved,
if
that
process
is
approved
and
that
invoice
is
approved,
what
that
means
is
that
we
will
draw
the
1.5
million
in
for
increments,
the
fourth
being
a
true
up
at
the
end,
based
on
the
actual
taxes.
G
G
H
H
H
A
little
better,
okay,
all
right
so
like
I
said.
Hopefully
we
didn't
inconvenience
too
many
people
Bob
by
shutting
down
highway
90,
but
it
was
something
that
had
to
be
done.
A
Beaubois
road
had
also
had
to
be
shut
down,
also
heard
national
security
requirements.
There
were
several
agencies
that
jumped
in
and
helped
us
a
Gil
Bailey
Commission's
in
the
back
Gil
put
together
in
operations
communications
network
planned
for
us,
so
we
could
all
communicate
with
the
various
law
enforcement
agencies
that
were
here.
So
we
appreciate
that
very
much.
H
That
was
a
lot
of
work
for
him.
We
had
passed,
Google
PD
sent
us
quite
a
few
officers.
Wiggins
PD
sent
us
some
some
officers,
as
did
DMR
and
the
Harrison
County
Sheriff's
Department.
So
totally
we
had.
We
had
about
96
98
officers
that
it
took
on
our
part
just
to
pull
this
off,
but
everything
seemed
to
go
smoothly.
Secret
Service
was
extremely
security
minded.
There
were
some
officers
that
showed
up
that
were
not
on
the
roster
to
work
from
various
locations
and
they
were
not
allowed
in.
H
They
had
to
take
their
weapons
off
and
lock
them
in
the
trunks
of
their
cars
before
they
come
in,
so
they
really
had
their
mind
on
security
and
making
sure
that
there
was
no
way
for
anybody
to
to
slip
in
protesters.
We
had
talked
with
protesters
early
on
the
ones
that
wanted
to
come
out
and
protest.
We
they
asked
us
for
some
ground
rules.
We
gave
them
to
them,
they
abided
by
those
very
very
well.
H
We
had
no
no
issues
with
them
whatsoever,
I
guess
it
was
probably
I'm
at
the
height
there
may
have
been
30
35
of
them
and
they
were
very
orderly
and
did
exactly
what
we
asked
him
to
do.
The
ACLU
sent
representatives
down
had
no
complaints
from
them
whatsoever,
but
they
were
usually
out
with
the
protesters
watching
what
was
going
on
so
I'll
answer.
Any
questions
that
you
have
about
in.
H
Yeah,
the
fire
department
did
a
great
job.
They
were
right
there
with
us
the
whole
time.
Oh,
it
was
glad
to
have
him
there
just
in
case
something
went
wrong
if
something
had
gone
wrong.
There
was
a
contingency
plan
in
place
for
just
about
anything
you
could
think
of,
but
appreciate
everybody's
support.
H
G
G
Moment
during
the
event
last
evening,
when
I
turned
to
the
somebody
sitting
next
to
me
and
said,
based
on
the
time
that
motorcade
is
probably
just
coming
off
down
the
B's
Road
and
they're
handing
off
between
Gulfport
Police
Department
and
our
Police
Department,
and
we
should
be
picking
them
up
just
about
now,
and
that
was
kind
of
a
proud
moment.
When
you
think
about
it.
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C
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B
A
I
So
I'll
just
start
at
the
west
end
of
the
project
and
move
my
way
east
we're
on
Porter
right
now
finishing
up
the
sewer
on
south
of
Division.
We
should
be
finished
with
that
by
the
end
of
the
week.
At
that
areas
really
really
wet
and
anyways.
We
should
be
starting
with
the
storm
drain
at
the
beginning
of
next
week
to
finish
that
up.
I
I
The
storm
drain-
currently,
we
are
finished
with
all
the
utilities
on
cuarón's
and
we
are
will
be
finished
by
the
end
of
the
week.
Install
and
road
based
on
cuarón's,
the
curb
and
crew
will
move
there
next
week,
I
believe
to
install
the
curbing
and
then
base
course
of
asphalt
by
the
third
week
of
December
long
cuarón's.
I
I
B
I
20
27
feet,
as
you
can
see,
I
mean
it's
really.
It
was
very
wet.
We
had
to
spend
a
lot
of
time
dewatering
and
it's
not
only
is
it
27
feet,
but
that
particular
area,
of
course
we're
15
foot
below
sea
level.
So
I
just
you
know
it's
a
lot
of
hard
work.
Our
guys
work
really
hard.
I.
Just
thought
you'd
like
to
see
that
that's
a
lot
of
work,
those
involved
in
making
it
look
like
that
operating
safely,
and
so
just
real,
proud
of
our
guys.
For
that.
I
There's
there's
a
8
inch
running
24/7
that
you
can't
see,
there's
well
points
all
around
and
well
points
suck
the
water
up
and
get
it
out
of
there,
and
so
there's
there's
just
a
lot
involved
in
all
that
and
everything
has
to
work
all
together
at
the
same
time
and
for
some
reason
somebody
turns
off.
The
pump
like
they
did
on
Porter
is
really
wet
over
the
holiday
weekend.
B
I
I
We
completed
the
installation
of
the
base
course
of
asphalt
on
the
Muse
from
esters
all
the
way
to
elder
we're.
Now
in
that
area,
working
on
sidewalks
to
the
south
of
lamu
and
then
we'll
be
working
to
the
north
of
the
Meuse,
we're
installing
sidewalks
on
Hayes
and
then
completing
the
side,
work
sidewalks,
all
the
way
down
division
and
over
the
next
few
weeks,
till
the
end
of
the
year,
we'll
just
be
bouncing
off
a
division
and
catching
all
the
streets
that
are
paved.
I
I
J
I
We
installed
surf
the
final
surface
course
of
asphalt
in
the
area
of
the
project
known
as
SX
SN.
That's
all
the
streets
to
the
east
of
Oak
Street,
all
of
those
streets
there
might
be
portion
of
one-
that's
not
done,
but
those
streets
have
surface
course
of
asphalt
now
the
final
course
so
we're
punching
things
out
getting
street
signs.
I
We
have
crews,
Collier
and
Galatz
streets
that
are
in
that
area
that
we
did
a
walk
through
today,
we'll
be
putting
surface
course
of
asphalt
down
on
those
streets
and
then
we'll
be
striping
and
hopefully
beginning
being
out
of
that
area
altogether
and
beginning
our
warranty
period
for
that
particular
section.
In
addition,
we
also
did
a
walkthrough
on
Dunbar,
toon
and
Laurel
court,
we're
just
working
our
way
west
to
try
and
punch
things
out
to
where
we
can
get
the
surface
course
of
asphalt
and
installed
on
those
streets.
I
We've
been
over
there,
the
last
couple
of
weeks.
There's,
if
there's
a
curb
cracked,
a
particular
kind
of
way,
we
have
to
Jack
it
out
and
put
it
back
if
there's
a
sidewalk
cracked,
if
there's
a
sidewalk
that
doesn't
fall
within
the
88
code
or
standard,
we
have
to
pull
that
out
in
and
replace
that.
So
there's
been
some
odds
and
ends
that
we've
gone
through
ourselves
and
punch
darts
punched
ourselves
out
and
with
anticipation
of
doing
the
walkthrough
with
the
city
today
which
we
did
and
it.
I
All
of
the
streets,
and
since
now
that
the
meetings
are
recorded
and
we're
Facebook
live,
and
hopefully
if
people
are
watching,
we
just
still
want
to
remind
the
residents
that
the
speed
limit
throughout
the
construction
area
is
15
miles
per
hour.
It's
really
easy
to
go
fast
on
the
newly
paved
streets.
It
was
easy
for
them
to
go
for
everybody
to
go
fast
on.
You
know
rock
streets
and
in
streets
that
weren't
paved,
so
our
guys
are
still
working
in
the
area
installing
sidewalks
and
stand
that's
working
right
next
to
the
street.
I
So
we
just
ask
people
to
please
take
caution,
and
you
know
if
your
family
was
out
there
working.
You
know
just
just
try
and
keep
that
in
mind.
I
drive
15
miles
an
hour
and
all
day
long
every
day
and
I'm,
not
exaggerating
everybody
speeds
past
me
and
passes
me
up
so
it
just
and
then,
when
they
do,
that
it
makes
it
even
more
dangerous
for
our
guys.
So
I
just
ask
that
people
just
be
respectful
of
that
and
then
as
well.
We
have
a
lot
of
orange
filter
rock
bags
around
the
storm
drain
inlets.
I
This
is
to
protect
the
local
waterways
and
to
filter
the
water
to
where
the
sand
doesn't
get
into
the
drainage
system
and
then
go
to
the
local
waterways.
So
we
have
residents
all
the
time
every
day
that
move
the
bags.
That
think
that
it's
blocking
the
drainage.
But
it's
really
not
it's.
It's
just
preventing
the
silt
from
going
into
the
storm
drain.
I
So
we
ask
people
to
please
be
respectful
of
that
and,
let's
you
know
if
we
could
leave
the
rock
bags
the
more
we
get
done,
the
more
areas
that
are
done,
we're
able
to
remove
them
when
there's
established
vegetation,
the
area
and
on
Porter.
Now
that
the
grass
is
coming
up,
we'll
be
able
to
take
those
rock
bags
out
but
they're
there,
because
it's
a
it's
a
requirement
of
the
contract.
K
I
K
You're
not
Dylan's
like
to
have
that
many
people
working
we're
not
being
built
enough.
So
that's
why
you
know
if
you
try
and
such
you
getting
finished
in
closer
to
get
it
done
so
there's
people
like
an
aquarium
that
made
it'd
be
nice
for
them
for
Merry
Christmas
and
insert
able
to
a
blacktop
on
the
road,
hey
people
in
something
with
two
three
years.
A
lot
you.
B
K
I
I
On
that
particular
work,
that's
in
the
CSX
right
away
will
be
done
after
after
we
finish
with
the
bore
we
have.
We
have
some
drainage
work
to
do
around
Santini
in
that
area,
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
but
it
requires
CSX
to
be
there
so
we're
finishing
with
the
bores
first
then
that
crew
that's
tied
into
the
storm
drainage
on
Binaca.
That
I
was
talking
about,
have.
K
K
K
B
A
More
at
all,
yeah
you
mentioned
about
the
the
speed
and
and
and
I
have
a
concern
about
that
too.
Is
there
any
way
we
can
get
any
temporary
striping
because,
like
you
said
there
are
people
that
are
going
pretty
fast
and
I
have
family
on
that
Street
Thanksgiving.
Of
course
you
know
today,
after
Thanksgiving
we
had
a
pretty
bad
accident
in
that
area,
but
even
Thanksgiving.
There
are
a
lot
of
people
going
around
cars.
I
A
I
A
A
I
Well,
we
have
I
think
we
had
to
finish
up
some
storm
drainage
and
some
structures
on
that
Street.
But
if
I'm
not
mistaken
that,
if
it
I
think
that
they
were
still
out
there
this
morning
today
over
there,
but
that's
one
of
the
next
streets
that
we're
going
to
probably
once
we
finish
Magnolia
will
hop
over
to
Nixon.
Okay,.
A
A
And,
of
course,
they've
called
me
about
Fayard
Street,
the
north
side
of
Fay
art.
It
keeps
there's
a
area,
that's
course
north.
They
are
not
really
done,
but
there's
the
area
that
keeps
flooding
out
whenever
we
get
rain
and
toward
the
I
guess.
What's
the
street
back
there,
it's
a
strawberry
strawberry
right
on
side
of
strawberry,
yeah.
I
A
I
L
Be
referring
to
a
few
notes.
Mr.
Kirkland
asked
me
to
come
back
and
give
you
an
update.
It's
timely.
We
were
fortunate
enough
to
become
engaged
with
the
city
of
Biloxi,
the
middle
of
April
of
this
year.
We
spent
the
first
couple
of
months,
putting
together
all
of
our
market
analysis
and
preparing
to
start
pro
actively
recruiting
retail,
do
our
developer
and
tenant
reps
so
we're
at
about
that
six-month.
Just
past
the
six-month
time
line
I'll
hit
on
a
few
things.
Most
of
my
comments
will
be
generic.
L
We
like
to
keep
our
targets
confidential
and
clearly,
with
developers
and
tenant
reps
looking
at
sites
in
the
Black
Sea
area.
They
don't
like
their
competition
to
know
where
they
may
be
considering
putting
a
location
from
a
research
standpoint.
We
start
all
of
our
research
efforts
by
being
able
to
track
people's
mobile
devices.
So
we
are
not
collecting
that
information
as
a
primary
data
vendor.
We
are
licensing
it
from
third
parties,
it
is
anonymized,
but
it
allows
us
to
identify
consumer
travel
patterns
to
different
assets
within
the
market.
So
we
have
looked
at
downtown.
L
We've
looked
at
several
of
the
retail
trade
quarters
and
we've
also
analyzed
the
Edgewater
mall,
and
it
allows
us
through
tracking
those
cellphones
for
the
most
part,
the
ability
to
know
where
consumers
are
located
primarily
in
the
evening,
primarily
during
the
daytime
and
where
they
are
two
hours
before
they
go
to
a
location,
to
make
a
purchase,
and
so
it
becomes
very
in-depth
data
that
we
can
use
to
create
custom
trade
areas
and
go
beyond
simple
radius
and
drive
time
analysis.
Once
we've
identified
those
trade
areas,
we
are
putting
together
all
of
the
demographic
research.
L
We
have
done
traffic,
countless
maps
so
that
we
know
where
the
majority
of
the
higher
traffic
counts
are
located
within
the
market.
We
have
done
a
peer
analysis,
so
we
have
identified
throughout
the
southeast
communities
that
look
like
Biloxi
from
a
demographic
standpoint.
This
allows
us
to
then
look
at
retailers
that
have
shown
a
propensity
to
locate
in
similar
type
communities
from
an
income,
population,
race
and
ethnicity
standpoint.
L
We
have
worked
with
mr.
Kirkland
and
city
staff
and
created
a
list
of
focused
properties.
For
the
most
part,
there
are
a
large
number
of
properties
available.
We
tend
to
keep
it
to
10,
to
12
we're
primarily
trying
to
generate
interest
with
our
developer
and
tenant
Rett
relationships
to
get
them
to
come
to
Biloxi
and
drive
the
market.
L
We
have
also
done
segmentation
data
analysis
for
the
entire
market
in
each
of
the
trade
areas.
Basically,
this
is
broken
down
into
65
different
segmentation
groups.
We
know
how
many
Millennials
live
in
the
more
different
trade
areas,
how
many
retirees,
how
many
couples
with
young
children
and
how
many
people
are
empty-nesters.
What
this
allows
us
to
do
is
understand
consumer
behaviors
and
attitudes
about
spending
money
at
each
of
those
different
segmentation
status
points
your
purchasing
behaviors
are
going
to
change.
L
We've
also
looked
very
closely
at
all
of
the
consumer
expenditure
data,
so
we
know
across
several
thousand
variables
what
the
consumer
in
the
biloxi
area
is
purchasing
on
both
a
weekly
and
annual
basis.
We
have
mapped
all
of
the
existing
retail
within
the
market
and
made
that
available
to
all
of
our
contacts,
and
we
use
that
as
part
of
our
marketing
effort.
We
have
put
together
marketing
materials
as
part
of
our
representation
of
biloxi
that
we
use
at
icsc
conferences.
Icsc
is
the
International
Council
of
shopping
centers,
which
is
70,000
members.
L
It's
every
broker,
developer
tenant,
rep
people
like
myself,
cities
are
members
of
that
organization.
We
have
represented
you
in
the
first
six
months
at
six
of
those
conferences,
so
we
got
engaged
middle
of
April
middle
of
May.
We
were
ready
in
representing
you
in
the
Recon
conference
in
Las
Vegas,
which
is
the
largest
conference
annually.
We've
also
represented
Biloxi
at
the
Tennessee
Kentucky
idea
exchange
the
West
Florida
ID
exchange
the
Chicago
deal
making
conference
the
Florida
deal
making
conference
in
two
weeks
ago,
the
southeast
deal-making
conference,
which
was
in
Atlanta.
L
We
have
also
supported
several
specific
projects
prior
to
even
being
engaged
with
the
city
Biloxi.
We
had
been
contacted
regarding
the
district
on
Howard
project,
so
we
had
started
doing
some
market
analysis
and
have
continued
to
support
that.
We've
also
started
analyzing
and
doing
some
market
analysis
related
to
the
potential
Broadwater
project.
I,
probably
should
have
said
at
the
beginning.
One
of
the
reasons
we're
here
is:
we
were
fortunate
enough
to
partner
with
Mississippi
power,
who
helped
subsidize
our
standard
cost
so
that
we
could
provide
a
more
cost-effective
solution
to
the
city.
L
We
also
work
very
closely
with
Jim
Wilson
and
associates
on
several
projects
throughout
the
southeast.
They
are
the
owner
of
the
Edgewater
mall,
so
we
have
provided
the
Jim
Wilson
and
associates
with
Market
Analysis
the
market
analysis
to
assist
their
redevelopment
efforts
and
leasing
efforts
at
the
mall.
L
We
in
turn
had
about
three
dozen
developer
and
tenant
rep
meetings
where
we
specifically
talked
about
the
opportunities
in
Biloxi.
In
addition
to
the
peer
analysis,
we
have
software
tools
that
have
allowed
us
to
go
in,
and
we've
taken,
approximately
150
of
the
most
aggressively
expanding
retailers
and
restaurants
in
the
market,
and
particularly
the
southeast,
and
we
have
vetted
them
for
Biloxi.
Do
they
have
a
location
if
not
where's
the
next
nearest
location
and
do
the
demographics
of
the
Biloxi
market
or
the
Biloxi
trade
areas?
L
Trade
corridors
match
the
parameters
that
they
set
for
a
new
location.
In
some
instances,
these
retailers
already
have
a
location
in
Biloxi,
but
the
market
is
large
enough
and
in
certain
areas
warrants
a
second
or
third
location,
so
we
are
aggressively
reaching
out
to
developers
and
tenet.
Reps
developers
and
tenant
reps
drive
the
entire
retail
process
without
a
developer
without
a
tenant
rep
involved.
In
that
conversation.
L
Typically,
you
have
very
few
concepts
they're
going
to
come
to
a
market,
so
we
have
reached
out
to
every
tenant
rep
firm
in
the
southeast,
that
represents
retailers
who
would
be
interested
in
the
Biloxi
market.
We
have
at
last
count
81
different
developers
that
we
work
with
our
go
with
those
developers
is
to
get
them
to
drive.
The
market
when
they
drive
the
market
they're
identifying
sites
that
we
may
have
provided
to
them,
they're
looking
for
additional
sites
and,
in
some
cases,
sites
that
might
have
a
higher
and
best
use.
L
Since
the
Atlanta
conference,
two
and
a
half
weeks
ago,
we've
had
a
half
dozen
I
think
five
or
six
at
least
five
and
I.
Think
the
sixth
one
either
has
come
or
is
coming,
but
those
developers
are
coming
to
Biloxi
and
driving
the
highway
90
driving
out
to
and
driving
the
different
trade
areas
within
the
market.
L
Looking
for
opportunities
to
come
in
and
do
either
single
tenant
development
multi
tenant
strips,
which
could
be
as
few
as
two
tenants
to
as
many
as
three
or
four
so
your
smaller
seven
to
ten
thousand
square
foot
strips
and
in
some
cases,
some
large
big-box
junior
box
opportunities.
The
other
thing
that
we've
done
because
of
the
uniqueness
of
the
tourist
component
to
Biloxi
is
we've
had
conversations
with
two
specific
entertainment
concepts,
both
of
which
have
indicated
some
preliminary
interest
in
the
market.
L
Currently,
we
have
developers
from
North
Carolina,
Indiana,
Texas,
Louisiana,
Alabama,
Georgia,
Tennessee,
Mississippi
and
Florida,
who
have
received
market
analysis
and
have
also
received
a
list
of
retailers
and
restaurants
that
we
believe
fit
the
market
as
an
example
of
some
of
the
market.
Analysis
I
want
to
dig
into
all
of
the
details,
but
I
think
you
might
find
it
interesting
that
by
taking
the
Edgewater,
mall
and
understanding
the
consumer
travel
patterns
through
the
mobile
mapping
data,
the
trade
area
ends
up
being
approximately
400,000
people
with
an
average
household
income
of
60,000.
L
L
L
K
L
As
I
mentioned,
we've
also
analyzed
downtown
and
we've
analyzed
it.
What
I
would
call
the
traditional
retail
corridors
your
grocery
store,
primarily
the
grocery
stores
within
the
market,
we're
proactively
a
recruiting
a
couple
of
grocery
operators
to
the
Biloxi
area,
but
we
have
looked
at
the
entire
city,
the
different
trade
quarters,
where
those
shopping
centers
are
located
where
the
mall
is
located,
and
then
we've
also
done
downtown.
That's.
K
L
I
understand,
but
I
would
rather
that
come
from
mr.
Kirkland.
He
asked
me
to
give
you
a
verbal
report
and
we
both
agreed
if
I
were
to
tell
you
which
retailers
were
looking
at
the
market.
I
would
violate
the
confidence
of
the
developers
and
tenant
reps,
who
we
work
with,
who
have
indicated
their
interest
in
coming
tear.
If,
if
developer
a
is
working
with
concept,
a
and
I
were
to
tell
you
who
that
concept
was.
That
means
I
got
three
more
developers.
We're
now
going
to
show
up
trying
to
steal
that
prospect.
A
C
Zell
just
a
couple
of
questions
thanks
for
traveling
here
today,
mr.
branch,
oh
I'm
thinking
one
of
the
biggest
issues,
I
think
and
I'm
no
expert
in
this
field,
like
yourself,
is
just
the
the
lack
of
people
in
East,
Velux,
II
and
the
downtown
area.
Is
that
a
relatively
speaking
is
that
a
huge
hurdle?
Is
it
a
manageable
hurdle
and
and
how
does
that
relate
to
maybe
housing
or
housing?
Accessibility
in
East,
Biloxi
right.
L
L
Here,
population
density,
clearly,
as
always
the
more
you
have,
the
better
couple
things
answering
a
roundabout
way,
one
is,
while
retail
is
our
focus.
One
of
the
things
that
we've
some
of
our
development
partners
is
an
interest
in
possibly
doing
additional
multifamily
in
the
downtown
area
or
mixed-use
development.
So
we've
introduced
them
to
the
opportunity.
L
The
positive
side
of
lack
of
residential
population
in
downtown
is
that
we're
leveraging
the
tourist
component,
which
is
right
across
the
street
and
so
there's
as
much
interest
in
downtown
from
some
of
the
traditional
quick
service
and
full-service
restaurants
as
there
were
bee,
would
be
if
you
had
a
large
population
density
in
downtown
from
a
boutique
standpoint.
Our
focus
has
typically
been
regional
and
national
retailers
from
a
boutique
standpoint,
one
of
my
partner's
refers
to
it
as
our
indie
ripoff
and
duplicate.
L
So
we
are
looking
at
other
and
we're
not
talking
about
stealing
retailers
from
other
markets,
but
we're
talking
about
going
to
boutique
fashion
type
concepts
or
retailers
that
would
be
interested
in
the
downtown
area.
Mobile
Fairhope,
Panama
City
other
areas
along
the
Gulf
Coast
and
suggesting
that,
if
they're
looking
to
expand
and
open
a
second
third
or
fourth
location,
Biloxi
is
a
prime
opportunity
in
the
downtown
area
again
to
leverage
the
tourist
traffic.
G
You
councilman,
let's
collab
I,
was
going
to
say
from
your
award
and
Dex
is
my
word.
The
most
curious
piece
of
property
in
the
city.
For
me
and
for
this
development
discussion
is
the
intersection.
The
very
busy
intersection
may
be
one
of
the
busiest
in
the
city,
the
intersection
of
Popp's
Ferry
and
Pass
Road,
an
area
where
the
traffic
count
and
the
population
ought
to
be
driving
more
than
it
is,
and
I'm
just
really
curious
to
figure
out
what
is
the
and
hopefully
they
can
help
us
with
what?
What
is
the
problem
with
that
area?.
L
L
L
F
L
F
L
We
end
up
talking
to
a
lot
of
people
when
we
go
to
a
conference.
We
may
have
retailers
that
are
coming
behind
picking
up
information
from
us
and
we
never
have
a
conversation
with
them
or
we
may
go
by
and
drop
off
information
at
different.
So
when
you
go
to
a
conference,
retailers
have
their
booths,
we
have
our
booze.
You've
got
hundreds,
if
not
thousands,
of
people
moving
around.
Let
me
walk
you
through
a
little
bit
of
the
development
process.
L
L
K
L
B
F
L
This
is
off
the
record
if
the
media's
here,
let's
say,
let's,
say
that
that
announcement
in
the
newspaper
was
premature.
Okay,
fair
enough
I
will
tell
you
that,
in
our
conversations
with
that
particular
concept,
they
don't
even
have
a
distribution
facility
in
the
state
of
Alabama
or
Mississippi.
So
let.
L
F
Well,
we've
seen
similar
occurrences
with,
say,
an
aquarium
that
was
going
to
go
on
one
city
and
then
they
were
gonna
come
to
another
city
and
today
they
end
up
in
a
third
city.
But
that's
good.
That's
all
right!
A
couple
more
questions,
so
you've
been
counted
through
the
process
for
almost
six
months.
You've
already
mentioned
hundreds
of
potential
suitors
for
the
city.
So
in
your
opinion,
going
forward
in
the
next
three
months
four
months.
How
many
do
you
think
are
really
going
to
start
pursuing
relocating
to
Biloxi
I.
L
That's
just
the
timing
of
the
process.
We've
talked
to
a
couple
of
other
grocery
operators
that
have
indicated
they're
not
ready
to
come
into
Mississippi.
They
will
at
some
point
the
future
I
think
a
large
part
of
our
effort
will
be
in
supporting
the
continued
redevelopment
of
the
mall
and
trying
to
backfill
some
of
the
Jr
boxes
that
are
some
of
the
tree.
Okay,
mr.
F
F
So
I'd
like
to
request
from
the
administration,
if
the
council
can
have
a
copy
of
the
market
analysis
I'd
also
like
to
recommend
whether
it's
monthly
or
Bob
or
every
other
month
that
we
potentially,
if
it's
that
confidential.
At
least
this
council
go
go
into
executive
session
and
maybe
discuss
exactly
what
you
were
doing
sure.
This
is
a
major
deal
or
undertaking
if
we
definitely
have
an
interest
in.
L
F
Know
I
think
it's
in
the
public
best
interest
to
hear
the
general
discussion
we're
having
now
periodically
and
I.
Don't
know.
If
that's
you
know,
our
president
will
determine
that,
but
I
think
the
council
definitely
has
some
keen
interest
with
what's
going
on
in
and
around
Biloxi
to
kind
of
hear
those
you
know
what
kind
of
activity
and
are
we
just
spinning
our
wheels?
Are
we
gaining
some
traction
and
actually
pursuing
what
all
our
goals
are
not.
M
Only
comment
I
have
is,
in
addition
to
the
market
analysis.
That's
been
requested
by
Kenny.
I
was
wondering
without
mentioning
names.
Could
we
get
a
report?
Sort
of
excuse
me.
I've,
had
a
sinus
issues
today
get
a
full
report,
basically
without
mentioning
any
names
sort
of
like
what
you
gave
us
today,
but
get
this
I'm
in,
because
you
covered
a
lot
of
information
I'm
sitting
here,
trying
to
write,
there's
no
way.
M
B
L
L
G
L
Going
on
itself
now
to
every
one
of
those
that
we've
reached
out
to
every
developer,
that
we
connect
is
only
coming
from
our
standpoint.
They
are
looking
specifically
when
they
come
to
the
market.
So
we're
not
we're
not
randomly
saying
just
go.
Look
at
the
Gulf
Coast
I'm
referencing,
the
Gulf
Coast
is
when
they
come
down
here:
they're
driving
the
coastal
area
of
Biloxi,
but
we
are
specifically
focused
on
bringing
new
retail
and
development
to
the
city
of
Biloxi.
K
A
And
I
just
have
you
know
more
of
an
observation
you
know,
and
most
of
these
guys
hit
the
nail
on
the
head.
Dr.
Tisdale
talked
about
Reese
Biloxi,
which
I'm
really
more
concerned
about.
Kenny
talked
about
a
grocery
store
and
you
you
brought
up
their
grocery
stores
that
you're
trying
to
get
interest
from,
and,
of
course
you
know.
If
we
knew
a
little
bit
more
about
it,
we
can
have
an
opportunity
to
sweeten
the
pot
so
to
speak.
You
know
there
are
a
lot
of
opportunity
that
we
have.
A
There
are
some
things
that
we've
been
working
on
as
far
as
the
grocer's
grocery
store
ourselves.
So
if
we
can
compare
and
contrast,
so
that's
where
the
communication
process
needs
to
come
together
a
little
bit
more
because
we
I
feel
like
we're
missing
an
opportunity,
if
you're
seeing
them
and
you're
talking
to
them,
such
as
one
of
the
companies
that
we
mentioned
before,
which
we
were
also
actively
pursuing.
If
we
can
put
some
things
together
and
right
now,
you
know
we're
not
we're.
L
And
again
not
to
be
redundant
a
lot
of
what
you're
talking
about.
As
far
as
communication
from
us
in
the
six
months,
we've
provided
six
plus
updates
and
I
think
mr.
Kirkland
has
access
to
those
and
okay
but
I'm
more
than
happy
to
come
back
on
a
quarterly
basis,
or
we
can
do
conference
calls
or
whatever
yeah.
A
A
Have
a
great
week:
okay,
have
a
great
holiday
all
right,
we're
gonna
move
on
to
the
council's
report
and
before
I
do
to
council
report.
I
want
to
recognize
two
individuals
from
Mississippi
Gulf
Coast
junior
college
sports
update.
Well,
let
me
recognize
these
people
anyway.
Oh
recognize
miss
Kiera
she's,
a
student
at
Mississippi,
Gulf,
Coast,
Junior,
College
wave
your
hand
with
her
mother
Kelly
from
Mississippi
Gulf
Coast
during
college.
Thank
you
guys
for
attending.
Oh,
let's
see
I'm
gonna
go
back
tennis
courts
update
Oh.
N
Christie
to
chime
in
if
I
give
misinformation
I
didn't
realize
they
were
still
having
problems
out
there,
because
we
were
just
at
the
lights.
Last
year,
I
met
with
the
electrical
engineer
our
electrical
engineer
and
Tammy
Bowman.
The
problem
is,
there
was
four
light
poles
that
were
left
off
cutting
costs
for
us
to
do
all
the
LED
lights
out
there,
plus
an
additional
20
lights,
can
be
hundred
thousand
dollars.
Yes,
but
or
we
can
install
three
new
poles
with
the
same
metal,
hey
lights,
that
are
out
there
and
hope
that
that
will
solve
the
problem.
N
N
What
they've
done
that
with
the
tennis
courts?
They
don't
play
out
there
at
night,
I,
don't
know
if
they
would.
You
know
want
to
do
that
and
as
far
as
the
county
I
was
always
told,
I
can't
talk
to
the
county.
It
has
to
go.
You
know
you
have
to
approach
Connie
or
the
administration
and
I
just
follow
up,
but
what
I
can
do
right
now
is
get
places
on
poles
with
the
metal
headlights
just
to
get
an
idea
of
what
it's
gonna
cost.
N
F
N
If
we
yeah
I
mean
I
can
use
them,
trust
me
at
any
of
our
other
ballparks
and
all
so
I
mean
we're
being
you
know,
repairing
all
these
courts.
We
need
to
try
to
you
know,
do,
but
let's
go
ahead
and
try
to
get
the
dark
courts
lit
up
and
see
what
that's
gonna,
cost
and
I'll.
Let
you
know
what
this
stuff
cost
on
another
now,
please
let
Lucy
know
if
y'all
can
write
in
if
y'all
gonna
be
part
of
that
Christmas
children
parade
told
me.
Yes,.
C
N
A
K
Yeah
Cherie
Belden
parks
and
recreation.
We
had
Thanksgiving
dinner
for
the
special-needs
children
at
a
packed
house.
A
lot
of
people
came,
there's
a
lot
of
people
getting
involved
in
that
you
know
between
the
city
of
Biloxi,
that's
called
the
hammers.
They
all
these
people
get
involved,
help
wait,
take
care
about
it,
provide
the
food
and
edit
that
a
big
crowd
might
maybe
250
people
that
it
was.
There
turned
out
really
nice
and
Sunday.
K
A
K
K
Bunch
of
and
I
mean
I'll
bring
him
down
to
the
nice
clothes
they
didn't.
They
fill
up
that
semi
and
the
police
naturally
directs
the
traffic
and
it's
the
same
group
is
the
Knights
of
Columbus
and
it's
Asgard
I'll
come
with
their
bikes
and
load
up
the
stuff.
So
a
lot
of
good
things
happened
just
for
that.
One
group
that
was
today's
Thanksgiving
and
then
Sunday
that
as
God's
grouped
it
what
they
did
and
the
nice
Columbus
in
Alhambra.
So
that's
good
things
and
they
probably
need
a
hundred
bikes.
They.
K
Know
yeah
y'all
do
that
many
at
least
and
he'll.
They
come
and
help
load
the
vans
and
that
semi
truck
and
they
thought
up
the
bad
weather
and
a
little
accidental
road,
but
I
mean
it
still
pulled
it
off
pretty
good.
Then
I
was
a
lot
of
Tory,
so
that
turned
out
great
and
I
had
a
jogger
that
walks
the
beach
and
he's
Biloxi
and
they
would
just
keep
their
calm.
K
So
just
tell
them
the
good
things
how
nice
everything
looked
had
a
piece
of
clean
the
sidewalks
of
cleansed
always
so
they
said
somebody
needs
to
tell
us
soon
when
they
actually
do
something.
Good
I
know
it's
kind
of
rare,
but
anyway
I
just
kidding,
but
they
did
call
so
I
want
to
pass
it
on.
I
said
a
beach
and
this
I
walked
in
and
they
were
look
great
for
the
Christmas
holiday.
So
that's
a
good
thing.
You
got
last
week
we
cut
the
ribbon
at
the
destitute,
Vaughn
Jay.
K
The
lady
grew
up
there
pretty
much
on
Gil.
She
come
from
I
think
New
Jersey
somewhere
that
lived
on
Gill
and
she's
a
lot
of
painting.
So
they
put
all
the
paintings
in
the
Creole
house,
which
is
another
thing
sit
there
right
by
old.
Keith
is
over
100
years
old.
So
he
got
these
old
pictures
in
an
old
house.
So
that
was
a
pretty
big
crowd.
That
night
so
came
out
good
and
then
the
morrow
at
4
o'clock.
K
K
C
G
C
G
Said
early
next
year,
okay,
we've
we've
given
them.
You
know
a
little
bit
of
weather,
more
weather
time.
I
think
you
probably
saw
that
we
had
a
parking
party
last
week
where
we
took
about
30
vehicles
and
parked
them
all
over
Howard
Avenue
and
measured
the
distances
between
the
backs
of
the
vehicles.
Measured,
the
where
the
parallel
parking
was
just
ran,
a
fire
truck
up
and
down
the
road
ran
some
big
trucks
in
and
out
just
trying
to
see
them.
The
just
the
the
spacing
of
the
thing
we're
gonna
be
striping.
C
Okay
next
thing,
I
noticed
that
there
were
no
responses
to
the
RFP
that
was
advertised
for
City
events
at
MGM
Park,
as
I
recall,
thanks
for
taking
the
time
to
do
that,
I
think
the
the
deadline
for
that
was
extended
as
well
so
I'm
thinking,
if
somebody
were
to
have
a
terrific
I
say
mr.
Glavine
has
a
terrific
idea
for
an
event
at
MGM
partner.
Who
would
he
see
about
that?
Well,.
C
C
You,
the
only
other
thing,
is
I
just
want
to
make
the
councilmembers
aware
just
as
a
reminder
that
short
in
coincidentally
we've
received
an
email
of
your
chair
today
attended
trying
to
attend
Planning
Commission
meetings
when
I
can
and
short-term
rentals
that
issues
really
heating
up,
particularly
in
apartments
apartment,
complex
complexes
and
and
condominiums
and
I
know
that
a
charge
has
been
issued
to
the
Planning
Commission
I
know,
they're,
studying
short-term
rentals
and,
first
of
all,
just
my
observation
is
the
Planning.
Commission
does
a
good
job
on
this.
C
The
second
thing
is
some
of
the
issues
they're
grappling
with
are
the
same
issues
that
we
grappled
with
when
this
first
came
up
and
and
some
of
these
issues,
I,
don't
know
if
they're
going
to
be
difficult
to
resolve,
but
I
suspect
that
we
kind
of
all
need
to
get
on
the
same
page.
At
some
point
in
time
and
and
mr.
C
If
folks
want
to
have
things
rezone,
because
really,
if
we
all
live
in
the
same
apartment,
complex
and
Kenny
sells
his
apartment
to
Peter
and
Peter
decides
he
wants
to
flip
it
use
it
as
a
short-term
rental,
it's
off
the
radar
until
we
find,
although
the
residents
here
know
what's
going
on
so
anyway.
It's
just
it's
just
a
very
thorny
issue
that
that
we
should
think
through
carefully
and
just
you
may
want
to
stay
attuned
just
to
hear
what
constituents
have
to
say
in
your
wards
about
that.
Thank
you.
That's.
F
Speaking
of
terrific
ideas
about
a
week
ago,
a
gentleman
by
the
name
of
Andy
cost
per,
he
called
me
and
he
said,
listen
I've
been
dating.
This
girl
and
I
want
to
propose
to
her
I
want
to
make
it
special
and
I'm
thinking
about
doing
it
at
the
Biloxi
lighthouse,
so
I
called
bill
Raymond,
and
he
made
all
the
arrangements
this
past
weekend.
They
showed
up
at
the
Visitor
Center.
They
took
some
wonderful
pictures
and
I'm
proud
to
report
that
she
accepted
her
name
is
Rochelle.
F
And
he
wanted
me
to
convey
to
the
city
about
creating
that
memory
for
his
guests
quest
in
life,
to
be
a
good
husband
in
the
future.
Also
I'd
like
to
I'd
like
to
recognize
our
firefighters,
our
Police
Department
I,
know
you've
recently
had
a
apartment,
fire
or
house
are
down
the
street
that
y'all
had
a
fight
a
few
weeks
a
couple
weeks
ago
and
again,
y'all
I'll
do
a
great
job
in
responding
and
and
taking
care
of
that
and
making
sure
our
citizens
are
safe.
Chief
Miller,
you
know
the
event
we
had
last
night.
F
I
know
it
was
kind
of
stressful
and
all
the
traffic
and
everything,
and
you
had
10,000
people
converge
on
the
Mississippi,
Coast,
AM
impromptu
and
and
again
you
always
do
a
terrific
job
as
well
and
sherry
Bell,
yes,
we'll
be
there
at
the
children's
parade.
I
haven't
missed
one
of
those.
Those
are
those
are
great
and
it's
great
to
see
the
citizens
of
Biloxi
come
out
and
support
that
event
and
I'm
sure
the
well.
The
mayor
be
back
to
light.
O
F
Moment,
what's
that
he'll
chop
up
get
some
okay
there's
a
couple
of
things
on
the
agenda
today
it
will
delve
into
it
in
a
minute,
but
it
it
has
to
deal
with
some
more
developers
wanting
to
do
some
single-family
homes
and
some
multi-family
homes.
I
would
ask
the
council
to
consider
it
there's
a
growing
need,
as
our
population
continues
to
increase.
F
F
So
again,
I
would
tell
next
site
they
better
bring
me
they
better
start
recruiting,
because
we're
gonna
have
a
lot
of
needs
for
these
new
residents
that
are
moving
in
when
they
they
certainly
going
to
have
a
need
to
shop
and
that
that
grocery
store,
that
we
sorely
need
a
nice,
Paluxy
and
and
also
on
Pass
Road,
so
keep
up
the
great
great
work.
Thank
you.
A
P
I
can
give
you
get
you
some
more
information,
but
I
do
happen
to
know
either
tonight
or
tomorrow
night.
They
are
going
to
put
the
bridge
in
place.
They
have
scheduled
how
I
know
need
to
be
closed
between
midnight
and
5:00
a.m.
so.
If
anybody
wants
to
see
them
fly
that
big
thing
across
the
highway
and.
P
P
K
K
A
Thank
You
Christie
I
appreciate
that
and
I
just
wanted
to
catch
up
with
Sheri
later
on
about
Miss
Travis
and
the
program
we
got
set
for
February
just
want
to
tie
it
with
y'all
an
ant
late
on.
Ok,
ok.
That
concludes
my
report.
Okay,
that
we
want
to
go
into
citizen
comments.
We
got
45
minutes
three
minutes
per
person
with
anyone
to
my
left
would
like
to
come
up
and
speak,
and
it
went
to
my
left.
D
A
C
K
F
E
Own,
the
original
only
original
drawing
the
the
flow
of
traffic
was
not
correct.
The
first
phase-
and
this
is
just
the
first
phase-
it's
going
to
be
seven
lines
and
it's
actually
going
to
face
the
subdivision
that
is
already
there.
When
you
go
in
on
waters,
View
Drive
there
was
a
connector
that
was
put
off
of
Waters
View
Drive,
that
came
to
the
west
and
then
turned
south,
and
there
was
no
reason
for
that.
Connector.
It
just
introduced
more
traffic
into
the
existing
subdivision.
So
what's
happened,
is
they
remove
that
connector?
It
wasn't
necessary
phase.
E
K
E
A
F
K
J
K
J
K
K
We
just
taken
the
chance,
and
we
agree
that
this
woman
did
the
budget
workshop
to
take
a
chance
to
see
if
this
to
work
we'll
find
out.
If
they
don't
work,
they
will
adjust
it
next
year,
but
we're
just
hoping
that
this
will
drive
down
the
cost.
So
when
you
get
to
the
generic
and
everything
it's
way
cheaper,
when
you
talk
to
that's,
couldn't
it
some
of
the
prices
on
the
tier
three
and
forty
three
four
dollars
prescription.
K
J
K
Q
K
K
G
G
You
know
the
council's
got
to
make
that
up
at
the
end
of
the
year
or
we
take
it
out
of
the
employees
pocket.
Last
year,
this
council
for
fiscal
18
approved
an
increase
to
the
employee
contribution
to
the
medical
insurer,
self
insurance
form
plan.
As
a
result
of
that,
we
finished
with
a
two
hundred
and
forty
thousand
dollar
residual.
G
At
the
end
of
the
last
fiscal
year,
two
hundred
forty
thousand
out
of
seven
millions,
not
much
it's
a
very
small
percentage,
but
we
did
finish
positive
right
now,
as
we
sit
two
months
into
the
year,
where
17,000
to
the
good
only
takes
one
claim
to
put
us
in
the
negative
we
get
in
the
negative
at
the
end
of
the
year.
If
this
hope
doesn't
work
out.
G
If
this
take
a
chance,
doesn't
work
out,
we've
got
two
choices:
either
we
got
to
pony
up
some
more
from
the
city
or
we've
got
to
raise
the
employee
contribution
again.
I,
just
don't
think
it's
worth
the
chance
and
and
I'm
not
an
expert,
clearly
not
as
much
as
the
business.
You
grew
up
in
so
you
know
more
than
I
do
about
this,
but
the
guys
that
we
do
business
with
have
told
us
this
going
to
cost
us
more.
Q
Let
me
just
die
in
if
I
may,
I,
don't
disagree
with
anything.
You
said,
I
think
you
know
I,
think
you
make
good
points
trying
to
drive
people
from
tier
3
and
tier
4
down
to
tier
2
and
tier
1.
One
of
the
ways
you
do
that
is
to
lower
the
cost
of
the
lower
cost.
Drugs
drive
them
down
there.
But
to
me,
in
my
opinion,
to
make
anything
free
does
not
encourage
the
right
kind
of
behavior
right
now.
It's
a
five
dollar
copay.
The
next
two
years.
Here
too,
is
a
$50
copay.
Q
So
if
somebody's
not
making
that
behavioural
change
right
now,
when
something
could
cost
fifty
dollars
or
five
dollars,
I
don't
see
them
making
that
same
change
when
it
could
be
40
dollars
for
free.
You
know:
you're,
looking
at
a
forty
five
dollar
difference
today
the
spread
from
tier
1
to
tier
two.
If
we
make
these
changes
you're
looking
at
a
forty
dollar
difference,
so
it's
the
same
money,
the
same
principle
of
some
numbers
for
you.
Q
Those
are
people
that
are
already
getting
their
category
one
medications.
Those
are
co-pays
that
the
city
essentially
will
say:
hey
we're
funding
that
now
in
hopes
that
we're
driving
more
people
down
into
these
categorical
and
co-pays.
So
if
you,
if
you
made
category
one
free
based
on
the
last
12
months,
data
you'd
be
absorbing
an
additional
seventy
thousand
dollars.
If
you
reduce
the
category
two
copay,
there
were
four
thousand
two
hundred
prescriptions
category
two
in
the
past
12
months.
Q
So
if
you
reduce
that
by
ten
dollars,
looking
at
$42,000
so
you're
looking
at
a
six-figure
change
in
hopes
of
encouraging
behavior-
and
that
is
the
right
thing
to
do-
is
to
make
the
behavior
go
down.
But
in
this
case
I
know,
budgets
are
tight.
You
know,
if
you
want
to
do
that,
my
suggestion
is,
if
you
have
that
money
available
to
pay
the
claims,
if
you
want
to
do
it,
but
don't
do
it,
thinking
that
and
when
I
come
back
here
twelve
months
from
now,
we
will
have
saved
money
based
on
this.
Q
K
K
J
Q
Don't
think
mr.
Lawrence
has
ever
been
in
favor
of
it.
We
did
have
Blue
Cross
come
in,
we
did
have
their
team
of
pharmacists
and
we
did
have
their
analytics
team
look
at
it
and
they,
you
know,
agree
with
the
position
I'm
presenting
today.
Is
that
if
you
don't
have
skin
in
the
game
and
you
want
to
go,
get
a
prescription
filled
the
city's
paying
for
one
hundred
percent
that
boys
not
paying
for
it
at
all.
What's
to
tell
the
employee?
Well,
you
know
it's
been
30
days.
C
Q
C
B
C
C
Than
I
would
hi.
Ok,
the
figure
but
I
want
to
be
sure.
The
the
other
thing
is
I'm
all
and
I
kind
of
agree
with
you
on
the
the
zero
copay
and
the
reason
is
with
zero
copay.
My
first
thought
is:
if
I'm
getting
medication
and
they
cost
me,
nothing
and
I
have
a
prescription
for
to
have
it
refilled
three
times
and
I'm
better
after
one
I
can
keep
showing
up
and
getting
free
meds,
it's
a
stockpile
or
sell
or
share,
or
whatever
I
don't
know.
If
that
happens,
I
suspect
it
does.
Okay,.
B
C
C
Part
of
this
is
educating
our
employees
on
what
we're
trying
to
achieve
how
best
to
achieve
that,
and
it
would
be
really
good
if
we
had
some
sort
of
barometer
to
inform
staff
that
hey
we're
we're
trying
to
move
everybody
to
generics,
and
it
appears
to
be
working,
that's
good,
because
if
it's
not
good,
then
we
either
have
to
increase
the
copay
or
reduce
some
of
the
benefits
and
move
from
a
non-standard
to
more
of
a
standardized
plan.
So
they
I
mean
there
are
a
lot
of
things
to
consider
here.
C
The
other
thing
is
that
concerns
me
a
little
bit
is
we
know
that
we
were
eating
into
the
residuals
over
the
past
few
years
and
finally,
we
stopped
that
which
is
a
good
thing,
but
we
really
don't
know
with
this
past
year
with
these
new
co-pays.
We
really
don't
know
if
one
year's
worth
the
data
doesn't
comprise
a
trend,
so
it
might
have
been
a
extremely
good
year.
F
Have
a
couple
comments:
you
know
our
plan
is
our
plan.
It's
a
self-insured
plan.
We
don't
have
the
standardized
Blue,
Cross,
Blue
Shield
plan
and
there's
a
lot
of
advantages
to
that
and
there's
some
expenses
related
to
it
as
well.
I
know,
for
the
past
five
years
that
I've
been
on
the
insurance
committee,
we've
worked
very
very
hard.
F
The
information
you
provide,
you
know,
I
can't
tell
you
how
critical
it
is
that
we
look
at
that,
because
we
can't
attract
the
use
of
these
schedule
drugs
to
be
able
to
determine
you
know
why
are
people
going
to
a
certain
schedule
versus
not
going
to
another
schedule
and
we've
worked
hard
trying
to
do
it
and
dr.
Tisdale
touched
on
it.
F
A
big
part
of
it
is
there's
a
missing
piece
that
they
just
that's
what
they're
used
to
doing,
and
so
that's
where
they
went,
and
so
I
totally
agree
to
educate
our
employees
on
where
those
options
are
and
how
it
affects
us
in
the
future,
because
we
got
will
be
sitting
here.
You
know
next
year
making
insurance
decisions
on
co-pays.
F
What
the
premium
is
where
the
scheduled
drugs
are
going
to
be,
we've
even
talked
about
the
higher
drugs
good
to
a
percentage
and
not
necessarily
$80,
as
it
stands
right
now,
just
to
try
to
get
a
hold
of
those
expenses
and
keep
a
very
good
self-insured
plan.
So
I
don't
know
how
big
of
a
difference
I
know
if
it's
successful
we're
going
to
give
councilman
Lawrence
all
the
credit,
and
if
it
isn't
we're
going
to
come,
look
at
saw
Easterling.
A
Q
Can
like
dr.
Tisdale
said,
though
you
know
it's
at
what
point?
Do
you
have
enough
data
that
you
can
determine
the
trend
and
decide
it's
not
working
to
pull
the
plug?
You
know,
I,
think
you
need
at
least
a
year
to
try
it
out
and
give
it
a
full
year
if
we
were
to
make
the
change.
That
would
be
my
recommendation,
but
to
answer
your
question
with
the
right
amount
of
notice,
given
BlueCross
30
days,
I'd
recommend
at
least
60
days
to
get
it
updated
in
the
system.
Q
A
Q
Would
be
an
initial
expense
to
it
and
then
what
mr.
Laurence
is
trying
to
do
is
change
the
behavior.
That's
what
we're
all
trying
to
do
is
change
behavior,
educate
employees,
educate
members
to
not
use
the
expense
of
drugs.
There's
an
app
you
know.
Blue
Cross
has
an
app
you
can
type
in
your
drug,
while
you're
in
the
doctor's
office
say:
okay,
wow,
that's
a
tier
4
drug!
It's
gonna
cost
me
$80
doctor
is
there
a
better
drug.
I
can
take
her
there
an
equivalent.
They
can
do
that.
Q
We
need
to
educate
the
people
to
do
something
like
that
and
make
that
change
and
what
I'm
afraid
of
is,
if
they're
not
doing
that
now
$5.00
is
not
going
to
encourage
them
to
make
that
change
to
make.
You
know
that
proactive
decision
based
on
their
health
care,
so
while
there
would
be
an
initial
expense,
while
people
learn
the
behavior,
the
ultimate
goal
is
to
teach
them
that
behavior,
and
my
hope
is
that
we
could
do
that.
A
Right
as
of
right
now,
you
don't
think
that
behavior
change.
Of
course,
no
one
has
any
notice
that
this
is
getting
ready
to
go
into
effect.
So
most
of
the
people
are
just
gonna,
keep
on
going
and
keep
getting
what
they
get
and
we'll
probably
end
up
losing.
As
you
say,
the
73
I
think
you
save
$1,000
and
it'd.
A
Q
G
G
G
Q
Not
many
so
that
the
when
you're,
looking
at
any
drug
that
blue
cross
and
paid
for
and
Blue
Cross
is
the
administrator
for
your
plan.
They
have
a
team
of
pharmacists
that
will
look
at
what
drugs
are
available
for
specific
disease
states.
What
drugs
are
coming
off
a
patent?
What
drugs
are
going,
generic?
What
drugs
are
coming
to
market?
Q
What
the
prices
of
these
drugs
are
and
make
determinations
based
on
what
is
available
for
that
disease
state
where
to
place
certain
drugs
based
on
outcomes
and
the
data
I
just
said
before
so
to
answer
that
with
a
specific
type
of
drug
type,
4
is
good.
Category
4
is
gonna,
be
your
most
expensive
drugs,
but
it
could
also
be
drugs
that
perhaps
there's
a
generic
equivalent
that
has
just
come
off
a
patent
that
has
the
same
outcomes.
Q
They
may
place
that
generic
equivalent
at
category
1
a
category
2
and
move
that
other
drug
that
may
be
was
it
to
category
4
because
they're
doing
the
same
thing
we're
trying
to
do
they're
trying
to
discourage
behavior.
They
don't
want
you
taking
that
expensive
drug
when
there's
a
less
expensive
drug.
With
the
same
outcome
available,
so
category
4
is
going
to
be
anything
from
those
type
drugs
to
your
hepatitis,
C
medications
that
cost
sixty
thousand
dollars
a
month
or
anything
to
that
effect.
K
Declare
faultless,
if
you
know
like
a
seventh
doing
it
for
58
years,
solid
medicine,
those
ones
and
threes
and
fours
are
so
far
the
line
price-wise
the
city's
paying
sometimes
twelve
to
fifteen
dollars
of
prescription
but
other
drugs
there,
and
yet
they
could
be
in
the
law
to
where
the
cost
of
the
city
and
that's.
Why
I
had
this
problem
with
y'all
before
to
Blue
Cross,
you
don't
take
the
stuff
out
of
that.
K
You
leave
it
in
there,
okay,
but
those
things
can
be
handled
with
the
and
the
reason
for
their
no
copay
is
to
help
the
people
on
the
bottom
that
make
the
least
amount
of
money.
I
know
four
or
five
prescriptions
to
somebody.
Don't
sound
like
oh,
but
somebody
that
has
three
or
four
kids
make
a
$25.
That's
$25,
that's
big!
We
don't
have
to
pay
anything.
They'll
go
get
the
prescription
filled
and
stay
in
the
lower
end,
the
biggest
prioritize,
the
expensive
ones.
K
E
K
Lose
the
70,000,
which
is
fourteen
thousand
five
island
time
5070
time
dollars,
but
the
idea
is
to
drive
them
down
to
the
zero
and
you
have
to
give
a
real
anything.
Freeze,
free
I,
don't
care
if
I'll
attend
down
with
this
zero
is
zero
that
makes
it
different
and
their
help
the
lower-income
people
in
the
city
and
all
we
do
that
I
said
to
do
it
to
fool
what
you
and
try-
and
you
know
pretty
much.
Was
it
gonna
work
or
not?
K
I
mean
sorry,
it's
a
chance
to
take
for
the
city,
I
think
it
could
help
people
in
the
low
end,
not
making
a
high
end
money.
You
know
and
then,
if
you
can
drive
them
out
it
at
three
and
four,
you
look
the
average
price
of
them
through
you
didn't,
say
anything
about
token
scription.
These
are
when
the
generics
run
for
five
dollars.
Then
things
up
to
twelve
fifteen
dollars,
eight
hundred
dollars
a
ton
of
money
up
there.
So
did
you
educate
if
we
get
him
out
of
there?
K
B
K
K
J
C
Is
I
think
we're
all
trying
to
do
what's
best
for
the
employees?
We
want
to
manage
this
program
as
best
that
we
can.
We've
got
an
expert
we
pay
his
company,
but
for
his
knowledge
and
his
expertise
and
we've
asked
a
few
questions
and
he's
given
us
answers
to
kind
of
guide
us
to
do
what's
best,
understanding
that
we're
free
to
accept
that
advice
or
not
the
again
I
go
back
to
the
folks
who
are
really
gonna,
make
a
difference.
C
K
K
C
G
C
Forty
thousand
to
the
good
in
the
year
before
that
I
did
the
research
at
one
time
we
had
a
couple
of
million
over
there
and
over
the
years
that's
dwindled.
Okay
and-
and
the
thing
is
it's
240,000
that
we
have
now.
If
that
was
a
good
year,
that's
great!
Maybe
we
could
afford
the
70,000
if
it
was
a
or
if
it
was
a
bad
year.
C
If
it's
a
good
year,
we
can
afford
it,
but
if
next
year,
all
things
being
equal,
we
finish
$300,000
in
the
red
and
in
addition
we
have
another
70,000
and
we're
coming
back
to
say.
Well,
we
have
to
dump
another
$400,000
from
the
general
fund
into
the
self-insured
reserve
fund
and
to
help
us
do
that
by
the
way
we're
gonna
have
to
ask
the
employees
to
increase
their
what
what
they're
donating
or
what
they're
contributing
to
their
copay
and
their
insurance.
C
A
A
B
F
K
A
K
A
K
A
F
A
As
a
minute,
so
all
in
favor
on
the
motion
as
amended,
it's
one
its
mr.
Lawrence
mr.
Clavin,
all
against
one,
two,
three,
four
five
one,
two,
three,
four,
four
four:
it's
only
six
people
motion
do
not
carry
I
need
a
motion
on
the
consent.
Agenda
motion
by
dr.
Tisdale
need
a
second
second
by
mr.
Barrett
any
questions.
Mr.
Barrett
I'm
gonna
go
with
you.
First,
you
good
miss
clabon.
C
C
This
is
a
result
of
a
lawsuit
in
federal
court
and
typically,
wouldn't
we
have
I
mean
typically,
these
these
recoveries
go
into
a
fund,
I
guess
the
general
fund
for
recoveries
and
then,
if
there's
a
reason
to
move
money
or
whatever
we
have
a
budget
amendment,
that's
typically
what
we
do.
This
seems
to
be
a
bit
unusual.
Is
there
any
reason
in
particular,
that's
being
done
this
way,
yeah.
O
In
October,
we
asked
to
move
money
from
the
general
fund
into
legal
general
to
pay
for
that
expense
for
the
scheduling,
expert
and
basically
the
direction
was
we
don't
have
any
money
in
the
general
fund
to
do
that.
Take
it
out
of
the
legal
fees
instead
of
the
expert
that
was
at
sixty
two
thousand
was
basically
an
eight
percent
reduction
on
that
line
item
the
basically
a
month
of
legal,
legal
fees
and
expenses.
So
now
that
we
have
money
coming
into
the
general
fund,
this
was
not
anticipated.
It's
new
money.
C
G
C
Would
I
continue
what
I
continually
heard
during
the
budgeting
process
was?
This
is
just
a
planning
Diana,
that's
what
a
budget
is
for
planning,
so
all
I'm
doing
is
just
flipping
the
script
a
little
bit
and
saying.
Well,
you
come
back
to
us
in
April.
If
you
need
more
money
and
say
hey
here's
where
we
were
remember,
we
had
this
unanticipated
expense,
blew
a
hole
in
the
budget.
We're
to
the
point
I
mean
we
do
that
all
the
time.
C
C
G
K
That's
about
the
most
sane,
nothing
I've
ever
read
in
one
of
these
things.
Y'all
just
put
some
good
thing
together.
This
one
is
pretty
you
talk
about
circle
village,
but
this
is
first
of
all,
I,
don't
know
what
we
tied
in
wood
got
fourth
floor.
I
know
why
it
takes
three
parties
to
do
anything
and
I.
Don't
know
what
you
actually
given
up
and
why,
five
years,
how
much
is
it
gonna
cost?
You
always
just
planning
for
the
train
to
fly
back
for
cliff
and
the
mayor
go
back
and
forth
to
Columbia.
What
are
you.
B
K
G
This
one,
it
just
seems
like
it
would
be
appropriate.
We
didn't
know
he
was
not
going
to
be
here
when
that
was
put
on
the
agenda.
I
think
him
when
he
comes
back
from
Columbia
doing
this
exchange
with
the
Harrison
County
Development
Commission
that
he
might
be
able
to
shed
some
light
on.
Why
we
need
to
do
this.