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00:00:00 Call to Order
00:01:20 33 South Washington Street
00:09:45 72 Court Street
00:52:11 Riverfront Projects—Sandy Beach
01:01:30 Other Business
A
B
A
A
B
Okay,
so
we
have
an
application
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
33
south
washington
street.
Now,
if
the
commission
remembers,
this
has
come
up
a
few
times.
33
south
washington
street
is
a
single
parcel
that
encapsulates
two
or
originally
two
buildings.
It
is
now
incorporates
a
series
of
buildings
of
new
construction,
but
one
of
the
buildings
on
the
parcel
has
the
street
address
of
41
south
washington
street
and
that's
the
property
we're
going
to
be
discussing
today.
B
B
B
B
C
B
It
should
have
been
yes,
it's
you
know,
I'm
not
quite
sure
what
happened
here.
To
be
honest,
I
think
there
might
have
been
it's
a
little
strange,
because
this
parcel
is
designated
as
a
local
landmark
and
in
the
city
of
binghamton.
Parcels
are
designated
as
local
landmarks,
not
the
buildings
themselves.
B
B
C
A
A
B
Yep
there
there
seemed
there
was
an
existing
sign
bracket
and
I
don't
know
if
it
if
you
can
see
it
in
this
image
because
it
might
be
blocked,
but
there
is
an
existing
bracket
here.
We
go
right
here,
yeah,
so
the
my
recommendation
would
be
because
the
image
shows
it
in
a
different
location
to
just
utilize
the
where
the
existing
bracket
is.
A
G
G
I
G
A
G
C
B
C
B
B
You
may
recall
a
few
years
ago
that
this
site
came
before
the
commission
and
since
that
time,
and
since
the
commission's
prior
approval,
the
plans
and
development
for
the
site
have
changed
quite
a
bit,
and
so
it's
back
before
the
commission
for
full
approval.
Once
again,
the
application
in
this
case
is
now
for
the
construction
of
a
two-story
mixed-use
building,
which
will
have
commercial,
slash,
retail
space
on
the
ground
floor
and
proposed
luxury
apartments.
B
On
the
second
floor,
I
submitted
to
the
commission
a
full
set
of
construction
plans
on
friday
afternoon,
and
you
know,
although
the
commission
isn't
particularly
concerned
with
the
interior
configuration
of
the
space,
I
thought
that
the
construction
documents
would
be
helpful
for
your
review,
as
it
relates
to
the
exterior
jumping
ahead
to
sean.
Can
you.
E
B
B
B
J
K
B
J
Okay,
so
for
starters,
john
I'll
kind
of
work
in
reverse,
but
I
believe
that
the
elevator
that's
proposed
doesn't
require
anything
on
the
roof,
so
it'll
be
subject
to
just
a
pit,
so
you
it
will
not.
There
will
be
nothing
above
the
roof
line
and
if
I'm
correct,
I
think,
were
you
on
the
email
where
brian
referenced
that.
J
J
Okay,
with
respect
to
the
storefront,
what
you
see
on
the
lower
level
is
basically,
you
know
we're
looking
for
a
blue
stone,
not
really
a
veneer,
but
I
guess
the
veneer
won't
be
very
thick
but
it'll
be
of
a
blue
stat,
a
blue
stone
material
on
the
ground
level.
Probably
from
you
know
this
region,
speaking
with
a
guy
from
a
stone
quarry
down
to
montrose,
and
that's
really
the
what
you
see
on
the
gray
shaded
areas.
J
J
J
I
want
to
say
eight
feet
long,
but
depending
on
the
company,
we
can
we'll
kind
of
determine
that,
where
you
see
the
blue
shaded
area,
we
just
pop
that
in
there
right
now
we're
hoping
that
visions
is
going
to
be
our
anchor
tenant,
and
I
want
to
share
this
with
them
as
well.
So
we
try
to
get
about
as
close
of
blue
as
to
the
vision
sign
that
we
put
on
and
we're
hoping
that
they
they
I'm
in
negotiations
with
them
right
now
to
take
the
entire
ground
floor.
J
B
J
Yeah,
that's
fine,
where
you
see
that
triangular
part
up
on
the
top.
That's
really
you
can
almost
ignore
that
that's
going
to
be
a
v
like
a
varsity
letter,
type
of
signage,
for
the
corner
of
the
building,
and
that's
shown
in
the
illustration.
If
you
were
to
drive
by
the
lot
where
the
rendering
is
it
shows
basically
a
varsity
letter
type
v
for
visions,
so
that
doesn't
that
it's
really
doesn't
illustrate
very
well.
F
E
E
J
I
mean
I
think
that
simply
the
you
know
that
still
in
that
design
is
the
bluestone
storefront,
the
canopy
is
simply
black
in
in
the
new
rendering.
I
wish
I
could
see
side
by
side
on
my
ipad,
I'm
not
in
town,
so
I'm
not
in
my
office
but
other
than
that.
All
we
did
was
we
added
the
you
know
some
wood
that
probably
gives
it
a
completely
different.
Look
that
top
area
is
basically
wood.
I
don't
think
that
much
has
changed
with
the
design,
except
maybe
the
exterior
finishes.
E
E
E
E
E
E
B
J
J
You
know
to
add
a
little
warmth,
be
that
there's
residential
upstairs
to
try
to
distinguish
residential
from
you
know
the
commercial
space,
but
it's
really
you
know
I
can
certainly
talk
to
brian
about
it,
we're
working
with
the
same
unless
some
of
the
shadowing
from
the
sockets
that
are
recessed
back
where
the
residential
units
are
and
the
terraces
has
created,
maybe
a
darker
look.
I
feel
that
we're
still
dealing
with
the
same.
B
A
J
I
mean
we're
everything's,
we
have
a
deadline
of
april
12th
as
far
as
all
of
our
pricing
to
come
in
and
then
I
think
we're
looking
to
kind
of
push
forward
a
little
bit
on
this.
Obviously
we're
not
through
our
negotiations
with
visions
and
being
that
there
will
be
an
anchor
tenant
who
simply
want
to
basically
have
their
buy-in
and
approval
on
the
design
a
little
this
mimics,
what
they
did
in
vessel
latest.
F
A
J
Well,
I
I
would
answer
this
probably
sounds
pretty
harsh
I
mean
you
know.
We
have
a
vision
for
this
corner.
If
it's
subject
to
the
city
of
decision
of
binghamton,
they
don't
like
it.
Then
I
just
pick
up
my
toys
and
I
go
home
and
there
isn't
a
project
that
we
have
I'm
just
not
going
to
get
into
this
anymore,
with
everyone's.
F
J
Or
your
organization
or
board
should
be
committed
to
looking
at
other
areas
where
people
haven't
really
taken
care
of
really
maintain
the
exterior
of
their
buildings
or
done
things
with
taste
in
our
downtown
district.
You
know
no
matter
how
you
slice
it
with
any
of
these
designs.
I
think
they're
all
great
designs.
It's
a
forward!
Thinking
design,
it's
a
nice
addition
or
compliment
to
the
to
the
intersection.
J
A
Okay,
well,
this
is
the
first
time
we're
seeing
this
this
design
since
the
last
one
we
were
in
so
we'll
just
keep
working
through
this
but
mick.
If
you
want
to
it's
clear
now
what
the
differences
are
and
maybe
mark-
maybe
you
intended
this
to
be
the
same,
but
the
windows
are
different.
The
roof
line
is
different.
J
I
don't
know
why
he
made
some
changes
in
the
windows,
because
that
that
second
floor
should
be
the
glass
and
the
second
floor
should
be
consistent
with
what
it
was
in
your
first
design,
and
I
do
not.
I
do
notice
that
so
my
apologies
and
I
prefer
to
have
it
the
glass
as
it
was
in
the
first
illustration
from
you
know
the
first
of
the
two
drones.
A
E
No
yeah,
so
my
I
guess
my
point
was
it's:
it's
kind
of
two
different
designs,
the
first
one
that
was
submitted.
I
mean
I
really
like
it.
I
think
it
fits
well
within
that
corner.
I
think
it'll
be
kind
of
a
staple
piece
for
for
for
decades.
I,
like
the
overhang
on
the
top
with
kind
of
that
glass
that
sort
of
wraps
around
in
the
terrace.
I
mean
it
just
it
looks
good.
It
fits,
and
I
think
it'll.
K
E
A
A
Well,
not,
I
was
trying
to
tie
that
in
so
I
I
didn't.
I
didn't
want
mark
to
get
into
a
situation
where
he
had
to
go
back
to
to
shippo
if
he
changed
his
design,
because
you
know
we've
all
had
that
experience
and
it's
not
pleasant.
So
I
I'm
trying
to
move
him.
You
know
in
the
right
direction
here.
So
if.
J
B
B
J
F
D
D
E
Hey
mark,
I
can
maybe
give
you
some
insight.
I
don't
think
that
we're
opposed
to
kind
of
some
sort
of
wood
accent
pieces
on
the
building.
I
think
you
know
designed
correctly.
It
still
will
look
appropriate
still
have
that
kind
of
modern
touch
and
flare
that
you're
going
for,
and
I
still
think
it
would
be
a
staple
for
that
corner.
So
the
answer
the
question
is:
no.
I
don't
think
that
we're
opposed
to
it.
J
I
mean
I
I
like
this.
We
really
kind
of
added
the
wood
we've.
I
have
to
be
honest
with
you.
I
thought
for
sure
that
you
guys
would
push
back
on
on
this
first
design.
I
thought
you
were
going
to
say
it
was
going
to
look
very
contemporary
based
on
our
pre-planning
or
pre-construction
meeting
a
few
weeks
ago,
and
I
know
that
sean
raised
was
concerned
about
a
very
contemporary
building
in
a
historical
district.
J
A
B
Mark
sorry,
ken,
I
just
want
to
clarify
a
couple
things
here.
So
when
we
met
for
pre-development
my
my
general
comments
were
actually
it's.
It's
fine
to
have
a
contemporary
building
in
a
historic
district,
but
from
the
original
renderings
that
were
provided
for
that
pre-development
meeting,
it
was
difficult
to
see
the
deciding
choices
right,
besiding
material
choices
so
mark.
When
you
clarified
to
me
that
you
were
intending
to
use
stone
along
the
you
know
the
commercial
front
of
the
building,
you
know
I
again.
I
think
that
that's
that's
fine!
B
You
can
go
in
a
more
contemporary
route
and
the
guidelines
permit
that.
There's!
No
there's
no
question
about
that.
The
decision
to
warm
the
building
with
a
synthetic
wood
like
or
wood
appearing
material,
whether
that
be
aluminum
with
some
sort
of
like
vinyl
applied
to
it
to
make
it
look
like
wood,
is
certainly
a
design
choice.
I
don't
know
how
the
commission
would
interpret
that,
but
a
contemporary
building
on
this
site
is
fine.
It's
just
like
I
said
from
the
beginning.
B
C
D
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C
B
B
Yeah,
I
think
that
all
that
all
makes
sense,
the
the
thing
is
is
that,
with
with
the
design,
if
you're
proceeding
with
the
you
know
with
this
interpretation
of
the
design,
I
think
this,
the
final
materials
still
need
to
be
presented
and
whatever
decision
is
is
made
should
be
based
on
the
the
final
materials.
So.
J
You
know
the
blue
stone's,
the
blue
stone,
but
with
respect
to
the
the
the
the
proposed
panels
that
we're
looking
for
on
the
second
floor
is
there's
a
lot
of
it
comes
down
to
what's
available
or
not,
obviously,
there's
tremendous
lead
times
on
some
of
this
stuff.
So
you
know
I
don't
know
how
that's
gonna
we
may
have
to
make
some
different.
I
could
I
can
present
you
a
sample
of
something
that
we
wanna.
J
B
A
And
it
doesn't
hold
up
the
process.
I
mean
mark's
going
to
continue
on
with
his
construction
and-
and
hopefully
you
know,
secure
his
tenants
and
exactly
so
so
that
mark
that
that's
not
going
to
stop
you
in
the
process.
It's
just
going
to
set
the
record
straight
as
to
what
your
final
materials
are,
which
is
understandable
in
today's
climate.
A
J
B
B
Okay
backlit.
The
commission
has
generally
been
in
favor
of
with
previous
applications.
You
know
similarly
to
or
similar
to
some
of
the
buildings
across
the
street,
so
I
don't
think
the
commission
would
have
an
issue
with
that,
but
that
would
need
we
need.
You
know
the
commission
would
need
again
dimensions.
A
A
So
so
again
the
motion,
I
guess
we
can
entertain
a
motion
and
I'm
trying
to
be
procedurally
correct
here
as
well.
If
all
of
us
are
behind
this
rendering
knowing
full
well
mark's,
headed
towards
blue
stone
and
maybe
some
wood
accent
or
whatever
that
he
would
bring
that
back
at
a
later
date,
I
think
we
can
move
forward
right.
Anybody
have
any
objections.
B
Yeah,
I
think
that
that's
fine
procedurally,
the
only
other
thing
I
would
mention
about
it,
and
just
so
that
you
know
you're
not
putting
mark
in
a
position
where
he
has
to
return
to
shippo.
You
might
want
to
condition
your
approval
based
on
shippo's
condition,
and
you
know
it
may
not
be
an
issue.
It
may
not
be
an
issue
if
that
elevator
bulkhead
is
removed
right,
but
just
be
careful
and
make
sure
you're
consistent
with
chippo's
conditions
as
well.
Yeah.
B
J
Thing
I
mean
sean.
What
you
received
friday
was
basically
done
within
two
days,
so
I'm
I'm
assuming
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna
go
out
on
a
limb
and
say
I'm
99
and
a
half
percent
sure
that
that,
but
this,
what
we're
looking
at
right
now
would
have
been
submitted
to
chippo,
because
that
other
rendering
wasn't
done
until
this
past.
You
know
few
days
before
the
cod
beaten,
but.
J
F
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B
C
A
A
J
Thank
you.
I
I
just
have
one
more
quick
question
for
you.
While
it's
on
my
mind,
the
storefront
and
again,
I
I
have
to
what
what
are
the?
What
are
the
boundaries
or
or
or
your
grounds
as
far
as
color
selection,
on
the
framing
for
the
glass
like
the
the
aluminum
storefront
framing,
it
was
to
be
black
or
just
regular.
Aluminum
I
mean
is.
C
C
E
Yeah
so
mark
this
is
meg.
I
can
make
a
suggestion.
I
think
I
think
black
storefront
on
the
top
portion
where
the
residents
are.
I
think
that
would
look
sharp
and
I
also
do
think
like
a
clear
anodized
on
the
lower
portion.
What
the
visions
are
will
look
sharp
too,
but
that
would
just
be
a
suggestion:
okay
kind
of
a
two-tone
right
kind
of
two
separate
things
and
I
think
of
kind
of
keep
in
line
with
that
sort
of
contemporary
line
and
plus
the
the
storefront
glass.
F
B
J
B
J
E
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A
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F
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K
B
K
A
A
B
F
L
Yep,
so
the
city
got
a
grant
to
improve
or
create
amenities
along
our
riverfronts,
and
so
we
have
projects
at
four
locations
that
do
that.
It
was
a
much
bigger
scope
initially,
but
but
it
got
watered
down
due
to
environmental
issues,
and
things
like
that.
So
what
we
have
left
is
at
sandy
beach
park,
we're
proposing
constructing
a
concrete
overlook
if
you're
familiar
with
sandy
beach,
it's
just
to
the
left
of
where
the
but,
where
the
ramp
goes
down
to
the
boat
launch.
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So
there
would
be
an
overlook
there
with
two
pergolas.
We
would
be
reconstructing
the
boat
launch.
There's
an
existing
boat
launch
there,
but
it's
not
usable
and
then
we'd
be
constructing
a
nature.
Nature
trail
through
the
the
wooded
area
in
the
park
and
then
the
other
part
of
that
is
we'd,
be
purchasing
boats
and
kayaks,
and
things
to
rent
at
that
location
over
behind
two
court
street.
L
Then,
over
on
peacemaker
stage,
we
would
be
putting
programmable
led
lighting
on
the
ceiling
sort
of
underneath
the
canopy
of
the
existing
stage.
There's
an
existing
electrical
box
there
that
we
would
be
using
and
then
further
north
of
the
stage
we'd
be
installing
string
lights
across
the
promenade
and
then
lastly,
a
rock
bottom
dam.
We
would
be
installing
floating
warning
signage
across
the
river
it'd
be
lit
at
night,
solar
powered
and
that's.
L
That
I
don't
know
the
last
picture,
I've
seen
or
evidence
I've
seen
of
that
fountain
was
dated
in
the
mid
70s
sean
could
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong.
I
don't
know
how
long
after
that
it
was
removed,
but
I
think
it
was
just
deferred
maintenance
and
then
the
cost
to
it
to
sort
of
refurbish.
It
was
too
high
at
the
time
it
kind
of
moved.
K
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F
E
A
D
D
C
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F
A
D
The
proposed
action
cause
an
increase
in
the
use
of
energy
and
it
fails
to
incorporate
reasonably
available
energy
conservation
or
renewable
energy
opportunities.
No
will
the
proposed
action
impact
existing
public
private
water
supplies,
public
private
waste,
water
treatment
utilities?
No,
will
the
proposed
action
impair
the
character
or
quality
of
important
historic,
archaeological,
architectural
or
aesthetic
resources?
No,
will
the
proposed
action
result
in
an
adverse
change
to
natural
resources,
wetlands,
water
bodies,
groundwater,
air
quality,
flora
and
fauna?
No
will
the
proposed
action
result
in
an
increase
in
the
potential
for
erosion,
flooding
or
drainage
problems?
D
C
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C
L
C
B
A
C
C
D
D
C
D
C
D
C
C
My
other
question
with
regard
to
the
new
power
lines
they're
running
from
these
extended
height
poles,
where
the
previous
power
lines
always
had
a
a
dip
in
the
center,
so
that
water
would
would
run
off
and
drip
and
drop.
Now
they're
going
at
such
an
angle
to
the
houses.
The
water
is
continuing
up
against
the
buildings
and
will
be
gathering
on
the
facade
of
the
different
houses,
probably
forming
ice
and
suction
about
that.
K
C
K
F
B
D
C
H
C
K
C
Yeah,
I
would
presume
they
do
they
just
had
the
rfq
or
rfp
went
out
and
they
awarded
to
the
company.
So
I
would
imagine
that
they're
gonna
have
to
come
before
us,
because
they're
gonna
disassemble
the
pre-existing
carousel
ross
park,
restore
horses
mechanism,
facade
and
relocate
it
up
on
the
hill.
I
think
approximately,
where
the
old
train
used
to
be
to
get
a
lot
of
flood.