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May 12, 2014 - City Council Meeting
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A
A
A
B
B
I
think
I
think
we're
losing.
We
have
two
aldermen
who
are
in
the
the
restroom.
I
hear
them
thudding
up
here.
For
there
we
go
cool.
B
C
B
F
Technical
details,
position
or
the
programmatic
administrative
things,
there's
there's
a
lot
of
personal
development
that
goes
in,
and
I
was
fortunate
enough
blessed,
you
might
say,
to
attend
a
class
lately
on
stephen
covey's,
seven
habits
of
highly
effective
people
and
it
really
kind
of
keyed
in
with
a
lot
of
things
that
have
been
going
on
here.
F
The
basic
premise
of
it
is
really
about
being
proactive
about
looking
for
the
win-win
is
the
part
that
really
came
out
in
my
mind
and
over
the
years
that
I've
been
coming
here,
there's
been
a
lot
of
contention
and
it
always
seems
like
there
has
to
be
somebody
wins
and
somebody
loses-
and
I
would
hope
that
maybe
this
is
a
trigger
that
other
folks
might
take
a
look
at
the
seven
habits,
highly
effective
people,
because
there's
some
good
material
there.
F
That
I
think,
would
be
well
worth
the
council's
time
not
only
to
read,
study
and
learn
but
to
apply,
especially
with
regards
to
the
win-win
from
the
get-go.
I
am
very
much
mission
and
solution,
oriented
I'm
about
getting
the
job
done
and
getting
it
done
right
and
right
doesn't
mean
alton's
way.
I've
grown
enough
that
I
no
longer
admire
myself
and
all
those
idiots
if
they
just
do
like
I'd,
want
them
to
do.
Everything
would
be
great.
F
I
tend
to
get
a
little
bit
more
introspective.
Take
a
look
at
why
something
that's
going
on
bothers
me.
What
what
can
I
do
to
make
it
better,
and
how
can
I
improve
the
situation
for
others
such
that,
and
this
was
almost
subliminal
in
nature?
I
didn't
really
see
it
as
a
conscious
thought.
I
saw
it
more
as
as
just
the
results
that
came
out
all
of
a
sudden,
it
seemed
like
people
were
more
receptive
to
what
I
had
to
say.
F
B
Thank
you
elton
we're
going
to
move
right
along
to
our
recognition
and
appointments,
we're
going
to
start
with
the
introduction
of
sue,
mclaughlin
interim
assistant
city
manager.
I'm
going
to
turn
this
over
to
our
city
manager,
mr
hales.
G
Thank
you
mayor,
we're
very
fortunate
to
have
sue,
mclaughlin
and
sue
if
you
would
stand
and
come
forward,
I'm
gonna
have
her
come
up
to
the
diaz
sue
comes
to
us
recently
from
lincoln.
Here
in
illinois.
She
was
serving
as
a
contract
city
manager
down
there
has
had
other
services,
she
has
a
master's
degree
in
public
administration,
started
her
city
manager
career
up
around
the
greater
chicago
area.
G
I'll
have
her
share
that
with
you
in
just
a
minute,
but
sue
is
working
with
us
as
a
contract
employee
during
the
process
of
recruiting
and
appointing
a
permanent
assistant
city
manager.
So
with
that,
so
just
have
you
kind
of
share
with
them
a
little
your
background
where
you've
worked
during
your
career
and
just
the
purpose
here
tonight,
just
introduce
sue
to
the
council
and
the
public
and
see
if
you
have
any
questions
for
sue.
H
Thank
you
david.
It's
a
pleasure
to
meet
all
of
you.
I
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
it's
exciting
to
work
again
in
such
a
large
full
service
community.
As
david
said,
I
actually
got
my
bachelor's
degree
here
at
isu
years
ago,
then
I
went
back
and
got
my
master's
in
public
administration
from
niu.
I
am
a
credentialed
manager
through
icma
and
I
know
you're
very
active
with
icma
as
well.
H
I've
served
just
over
10
years
as
a
city
manager
in
different
communities.
I
started
up
in
the
rockford
area
and
then
went
as
david
said
in
north
aurora,
which
is
right
next
to
aurora,
which
is
the
currently
the
second
largest
city
in
illinois.
So
I
was
there
for
five
years
and
then
came
down
to
the
central
illinois
area
for
a
couple
of
years,
so
I've
enjoyed
local
government
and
city
management
and
I'm
very
happy
to
be
here,
and
I
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
I
am
married.
G
If
I
can
just
add
one
other
thing,
I've
asked
who
to
kind
of
oversee,
as
barb
recently
did
the
departments
of
water
public
works,
planning,
code
enforcement
as
well
as
parks
and
recreation
and
cultural
arts,
as
well
as
some
other
miscellaneous,
so
having
her
kind
of
help
in
overseeing
those
particular
departments.
So
turn
it
back
to
you
mayor,
thank.
B
We're
gonna
continue
our
introductions
on
item
6b
as
amended
nora
dukkowitz,
and
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
city
manager,
david
hills,.
G
Mayor
and
council
we're
very
fortunate
to
have
a
professional
communications
individual
in
the
of
nora
dukawitz
serve
as
our
first
communications
manager.
I've
worked
with
many
communication
manager
specialists
over
the
years.
In
fact,
you
know
it's.
It's
been
a
critical
position
or
comes
to
us,
as
you
may
have
seen
in
the
press,
release
not
only
working
with
the
town
of
normal
and
here
in
the
city,
but
we
just
have
very
high
aspirations
and
hope
to
have
nora
assist
us
as
we
continue
to
improve
upon
our
communication
engagement
with
the
public
at
large.
I
Absolutely
thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
speak
to
you
this
evening.
I'm
really
excited
to
begin
this
new
position.
I
came
to
the
bloomington
normal
community
a
little
under
a
decade
ago.
Thinking
I
would
stay
here
for
a
couple
years.
I
came
here.
I
relocated
with
a
a
private,
real
estate,
investment
trust
and
I
absolutely
fell
in
love
with
this
community.
As
david
mentioned,
I
served
as
the
town
of
normal's
first
uptown
marketing
manager
from
2006
to
2010,
and
I'm
actually
celebrating
my
three
year
anniversary
with
the
city.
J
You
thank
you
not
not
not
for
you,
nor
of
it
great
to
have
you
david.
I
was
just
curious.
Obviously,
this
lady
is
coming
from
another
department
check
correct.
So
will
we
be
replacing
her
position
in
the
other
department
and
will
we
continue
to
have
the
other
spokes
people
in
various
other
departments
for
the
city.
G
When
we're
always
looking,
you
know
for
greater
staff
efficiency,
so
it's
an
ongoing
discussion
with
john
kennedy,
the
department
director
how
we
can
better,
you
know
either
backfill
or
look
at
making
sure
that
those
needs
and
parks,
recreation,
cultural
arts
are
addressed.
You
know
appropriately,
so
it's
still
kind
of
a
work
in
progress
at
this
point
in
time.
B
B
I'm
sorry,
whereas
emergency
medical
services
are
a
vital
public
service
and
whereas
the
members
of
emergency
medical
service
teams
are
ready
to
provide
life-saving
care
to
those
in
need,
24
hours
a
day,
seven
days
a
week
and
whereas
access
to
quality
emergency
care
dramatically
improves
the
survival
and
recovery
rate
of
those
who
experience
sudden
illness
or
injury,
and
whereas
emergency
medical
services
teams
consist
of
emergency
physicians,
emergency
nurses,
emergency
medical
technicians,
paramedics,
firefighters,
educators,
administrators
and
others,
and
whereas
the
members
of
the
emergency
of
emergency
medical
service
teams,
whether
career
or
volunteer,
engage
in
thousands
of
hours
of
specialized
training
and
continuing
education
to
enhance
their
life
saving
skills
and
whereas
it
is
appropriate
to
recognize
the
value
and
the
accomplishments
of
emergency
medical
services
providers
by
designating
emergency
medical
services
week
and
now.
B
Therefore,
I
chair
renter
mayor
of
the
city
of
bloomington,
in
recognition
of
this
event
to
hereby
proclaim,
may
18th
to
24th
2014
as
emergency
medical
services
week
and
encourage
the
community
to
observe
this
week
with
appropriate
programs,
ceremonies
and
activities.
Thank
you,
mr
cameron.
Let
me
present
this
to
you.
B
I
wonder
if
I
could,
if,
if
you're
one
of
the
appointees,
with
the
exception
of
all
the
woman
karen
schmidt,
who
will
pull
off
the
consent
agenda
for
just
a
minute,
I
wonder
if
paulette
heard,
if
you're
here,
if
you
could
stand
robin
vandermae
and
patricia
martin
and
bill
wilson,
if
you
would
stand
please
and
be
recognized,
okay,
thank
you
very
much
and
under
the
consent
agenda
I
would
like
to
go
ahead
and
pull
item
7c
3,
and
that
is
a
cultural
district.
B
Commissioner
appointee,
karen
schmidt,
a
reappointment,
and
it's
only
for
the
purposes
that
all
the
woman
schmidt
can
vote
on
the
rest
of
the
consent
agenda,
except
her
own
appointment.
B
J
I'd
like
to
pull
7e
and.
B
Okay,
7h
e
and
h
all
the
woman
sterns
okay,
so
that
was
seven
g,
although
alderman
middlewomboy
and
seven
e
and
h
all
the
women's
terms,
that's
correct!
Okay!
All
right!
I
wonder
if
I
could
have
a
motion
to
approve
the
consent
agenda
as
presented
minus
the
items
that
were
mentioned
so
moved
moved
by
alderman
fizzini's,
their
second
second,
second,
by
alderman,
fruin
and
mayor
with
regard.
B
Metal
clerk
the
motion
carries
nine
to
zero.
There
are
no
nays
to
announce.
Thank
you.
Now
we
can
move
right
along
if
we
could
move
to
item
seven
c.
Three
cultural
district,
commission
and
all
the
women
schmidt
will
leave
the
room.
Is
there
a
motion
to
approve
this
appointment
so
moved
moved
by
alderman
black?
Is
there
a
second
second?
Second
by
several
people,
all
the
woman
painter
any
discussion
all
right.
I
wonder
if
you
would
go
ahead
and
vote.
Please,
oh
excuse
me.
I
have
to
clear
the
results.
Terribly
sorry.
B
B
B
Oh,
no.
I've
got
you
yeah,
I'm
fine.
Okay,
the
the
motion
carries
in
spite
of
technological
difficulties
from
eight
to
zero.
There
are
no
nays
to
announce
and
I
will
clear
the
results
and
I'll
stop
all
right.
I
wonder
if
we
could
get
automotive
while
we
have
come
back
in
and
I
will
turn
to
alderwoman
stearns
in
a
second
here.
B
Welcome
back,
okay,
all
the
woman's
turns.
You
had
pulled
two
items
if
we
could
start
with
7e,
please
thank
you.
J
Right
and
thank
you
thank
you,
and
this
applies
to,
I
believe,
the
director
of
parks
and
forestry
and
all
all
things
green.
J
If
I
could
ask
john
a
couple
of
things-
and
I
apologize
your
answers
earlier
on
the
other
things,
but
I
think
I
I
just
want
to
understand
is
this
primarily
about
emerald
ash
borer.
L
J
L
Based
on
based
on
the
parameters
of
the
intergovernmental
agreement,
our
approach
from
a
staff
level
is
going
to
recommend
that
our
our
problem
trees
be
emerald,
emerald
ash,
borer,
trees,
they're
the
most
critical
to
health
to
health
safety
reasons.
Also,
the
it'll
just
it'll
work
out
a
lot
better
in
our
system.
The
way
the
trees
are
removed,
if
those
are
the
ones
that
are
approached
by
contractors,
it'll
be
easier
for
other
outside
contractors
to
have
access
to
those
trees.
J
J
And
that's
that's
good
to
know
now
and
one
last
thing
these
trees
have
to
be
on
city
property
on
the
parkway.
Is
that
correct.
J
M
L
L
L
J
B
D
B
By
alderman,
all
the
woman,
schmidt
and
one,
if
you
could
go
ahead
and
vote.
B
Motion
carries
nine
to
zero.
There
are
no
nays
to
announce
madam
clerk
and
the
next
item.
I
believe
it
was
seven
h.
Older
woman
turns.
J
Right
and
this
this
would
involve
a
couple
of
questions,
probably
for
public
works
director
regarding
these
these
containers-
and
I
guess
I'm
a
little
bit
confused,
probably
about
how
we're
going
to
make
our
citizens
responsible
for
the
containers
you
know.
Actually
there
was
a
gentleman
out
on
my
property,
much
to
my
shocking
surprise,
the
other
day
who
was
taking
a
small
label
off
one
of
my
city
containers
and
putting
another
small
label
on
it,
and
I
had
no
idea
that
this
individual
was
supposed
to
be
there.
J
Of
course,
I
you
know,
I
have
people
come
and
go
anyway,
but
I
went
out-
and
I
said
to
him:
what
are
you
doing
and
he
was
replacing
my
sticker?
You
know
that
thing
and
he
said
well.
I've
been
contracted
by
the
city
to
replace
all
these
stickers
and
I
was
like
okay
yeah.
J
I
didn't
know
that,
so
maybe
you
could
help
me
out
a
little
bit
with
what
that
was
about,
and
then
maybe
you
could
help
me
with
the
concern
I
have
of
if
the
citizens-
and
I
understand
the
city
owns
them,
the
citizen
gets
them,
we
know
who's
got
which
container.
I
think-
and
I
think
that's
part
of
the
sticker
thing,
but
if
someone
steals
my
container,
you
know
if
some
truck
runs
over
it
on
and
on
the
possibilities
could
really
do
concern
me
then
excuse
me
then
who
is
who
is
responsible?
J
N
Ultimate
concerns.
The
first
question
you
had
asked
is
about
the
35
gallon
container.
Specifically,
they
were
all
the
only
affected
item
from
the
manufacturer
rarig.
They
had
delivered
them
to
us
without
some
of
the
rfid
tags,
and
so
there
was
a
handful
of
delivery
they
made,
and
so
we
said
well,
you
need
to
make
it
whole
for
us,
so
they
actually
refunded
us
the
money
that
it
cost
us
for
the
rfid
tags
and
they
were
responsible
for
going
out
in
the
field
and
making
the
city
whole
for
those.
N
So
what
you
saw
with
those
handful
they
had
to
go
out
because
they
knew
where
they
were
at,
as
you
indicated,
so
we
were,
they
were
making
the
city
whole
with
those.
That
was
a
positive
positive
thing.
So
the
other
component
of
what
you
were
mentioning
was
who's
responsible
city
code
ultimately
says
that
they
are
city
owned
containers.
All
of
the
wheeled
containers
are
city
owned.
If
the
if
the
damage
the
container
is,
you
know
malicious
in
nature,
we
you
know
we,
we
can
then
actually
find
the
resident
and
we
can
have
them.
N
You
know
repair
that
and
make
that,
because
it's
a
city-owned
container
that
isn't
rare,
that's
it's
a
rare
thing.
Excuse
me
rephrase
that
it
is
a
rare
thing
for
that
to
happen.
We've
just
gotten
going.
We've
only
had
they
had
to
use
that
for
one
person
who
put
in
ashes
hot
ashes
into
their
container
and
they
had
to
replace
it
because
it
you
know
just
was
one
of
those
that
melted
the
container
it
had
to
be
replaced,
and
so
it
yeah
that
actually
did
happen,
but
past
that
we
have
had
carts
that
were
taken.
N
We
do
our
best
to
look
for
them
on
that
day,
amazing,
how
like
the
35
gallon
containers
can
blow
as
we
we
knew
could
happen,
those
those
are
blow
around,
and
so,
if
we
find
them,
we
can
use
the
serial
number
to
identify
them
and
get
them
back
to
their
property
owner.
We
actually
encourage
the
property
owner
to
to
look
themselves.
That's
about
all
we
can.
We
can
do
for
those.
So
hopefully
that
answers
your
question,
but.
N
Not
quite
oh
you're
right,
the
last
part
of
it
you
asked
was
if,
after
doing
all
that,
you
don't
find
them,
we've
replaced
the
container
for
the
resident
and
that's
what
was
in
the
council,
questions
that
you
would
ask.
That's
also
what
we'd
put
in
writing.
So,
as
a
council
you're
aware,
we
have
been
replacing
those
we
understand.
The
council
expects
a
very
high
level
of
customer
service,
so
we
tried
to
meet
that
in
this
case.
J
N
Always
times
and
there
can
be
a
conflict,
but
this
is
one
of
those
that
you
know
we,
like
you
know
with
the
hot
ash
that
can
be
one
of
those
where
somebody
else
poured
hot
ash
into
my
they're.
J
N
J
Okay,
well,
I
would
suggest
that
there
be
a
process,
because
I'm
just
I
guess,
maybe
living
in
the
older
neighborhoods
and
such,
but
I'm
so
well
aware
of
those
you
know
times
when
I
just
had
one
when
the
city
feels
that
a
contractor
put
something
out
in
this
and
the
residence,
oh,
no,
no,
no,
I
put
it
out
and
it's
back
and
forth,
and
then
it
comes
to
the
aldermen
with
which
is
fine,
but
I
just
think
there
should
be
a
process
to
deal
with.
G
And
let
me
just
make
a
comment,
you
know
and
I
I
think
that's
a
good
idea.
However,
we
have
to
allow
some
discretion.
We
look
to
jim
karch
and
the
superintendents
to
manage
this
program.
Our
principles
are
to
maintain
you
know
excellent
customer
service,
but
also
protect
the
assets
of
the
city
and
our
financial
resources.
So
I
think,
as
time
goes
along,
we
certainly
can
identify
those
areas
where
it
does
make
sense
to
have
a
written
process,
but
certainly
even
right.
Now.
G
You
know
these
superintendents,
I
think,
resolve
a
lot
of
things
at
their
level
once
in
a
while
things
get
up
to
jim's
level,
he
makes
a
judgment
call
and
once
in
a
rare
moon,
you
know
we'll
all
I
get
involved.
So
I
think
we
do
have
a
good
practice
already
underway
with
our
solid
waste
program,
but
we
can
also
see
how
things
develop
and
where
necessary,
we
could
implement.
You
know
additional
processes
or
policies
if
needed.
B
B
All
right
moving
right
along,
we
go
to
item
8a
on
our
regular
agenda:
presentation
by
illinois,
wesleyan
university
action,
research
center
regarding
tax,
increment
finance,
tif
analysis
for
west
bloomington,
and
for
the
presentation
and
council
discussion.
We
have
allowed
approximately
30
minutes
and
so
I'll
turn
it
over
to
you.
Mr
hales.
G
Thank
you
mayor.
I
I
know
we
have
several
of
the
council
members
that
were
here
when
steve
combs
came
up
from
springfield
to
talk
about
the
so-called
enos
park,
neighborhood
improvement
association
and
how
they
used
in
a
very
creative
way,
a
tax
increment
financing
district
to
assist
with
improving
that
historic
residential
district.
G
That
put
in
motion
a
number
of
ongoing
discussions,
and-
and
what
I'd
like
to
do
at
this
point
in
time
is
have
justine
robinson
just
share
with
what
happened
following
that
meeting
and
to
introduce
representatives
from
illinois
wesleyan
university,
who
are
going
to
present
this
report
for
your
consideration
and
information
tonight.
Justine
thank.
O
You
city
manager
and
good
evening,
mayor
and
city
council,
as
city
manager,
hills
indicated
upon
steve
combs,
leaving
the
city
of
bloomington
and
returning
to
springfield
the
there
were
certain
resident
groups
within
west
bloomington
that
were
very
intrigued
by
the
concept
of
a
tif
district
as
a
means
to
stimulate
neighborhood,
revitalization,
the
wbrp
association
being
one
of
them
and,
of
course,
midcentral
community
action
being
another.
On
the
heels
of
the
announcement
of
their
receiving
the
1.5
million
dollar
grant.
O
They
have
you,
know
high-speed
internet
that
could
be
taken
out
to
the
west
side
and
made
available
through
serbian.
There
are
a
variety
of
needs
that
have
been
identified
through
the
wbrp
strategic
plan
and
staff
is
working
to
research
opportunities
to
enhance
development
on
that
side
of
our
community.
As
such,
we
were
approached
by
the
action
research
center
at
illinois,
wesleyan
university,
who
graciously
offered
some
interns
to
help
us
dig
in
a
little
deeper
to
what
tax
increment
finance
has
mean.
Has
meant.
O
P
See
you
good
to
see
you
thank
you
justine
and
to
the
council.
Thank
you
for
allowing
us
to
speak
to
you
tonight.
P
I'd
like
to
apologize
before
I
begin,
I'm
coming
off
the
cold,
so
I'm
probably
going
to
clear
my
throat
a
lot
I'd,
also
like
to
just
sort
of
clarify
before
we
begin,
since
we
only
have
half
an
hour,
we're
sort
of
giving
you
the
cliffs
notes,
version
that
we
also,
you
know,
included
a
report
and
originally
had
a
longer
presentation,
but
at
any
rate,
hopefully
we
can
get
the
the
general
points
across
in
the
next
half
an
hour.
So
I'm
jamal
smith.
P
This
is
my
fellow
intern
jake,
jonathan
bates
and
let's
get
started.
Our
topic
was,
as
justine
was
talking
about
a
tax
increment
financing
in
west
bloomington.
Basically,
our
research
question
is:
should
the
city
create
a
west
bloomington
tif
district
as
a
means
to
stimulate
economic
development
and
in
the
process
of
trying
to
answer
this
question
we
would
be
remiss
if
we
didn't
mention
that
we
have
had.
P
You
know
great
working
relationship
with
a
number
of
people
from
within
city
government,
especially
justine,
but
also
including
aldermen,
black
and
schmidt.
P
So
this
question
this
one
research
question
actually
sort
of
consists
of
several
sub-questions.
Some
of
them
are
general
to
tiff
districts,
and
some
of
them
are
specific
to
central
illinois
and
west
bloomington.
So,
generally
speaking,
we
wanted
to
try
and
find
out
whether
tif
districts
are,
you
know,
sort
of
generally
a
good
tool.
Do
they
generally
succeed
or
fail,
or
is
there
sort
of
a
mixed
bag?
We
also
wanted
to
try
and
figure
out
whether
there
were
any
particular
factors
that
determine
whether
a
tiff
is
successful
or
not.
P
Specifically,
we
try
to
determine
whether
west
bloomington
is
itself
a
good
place
for
a
tiff,
an
appropriate
location
for
a
tif
district,
and
we
did
that
in
part
by
comparing
it
to
various
other
central
illinois
cities
that
have
used
tiff
districts
in
the
past.
We
looked
at
you
know
neighborhoods
that
had
similar
demographics
and
had
tiff
districts
and
looked
at
the
outcomes
there,
and
so
given
all
that,
what
did
we
learn?
Well,
the
it's
the
the
answer
to
that
is
somewhat
complicated.
P
Basically,
what
we
found
through
looking
at
academic
studies,
as
well
as
central
illinois
tiffs,
is
that
there
is
no
sort
of
clear
universal
model
for
how
tif
districts
work
out.
Sometimes
they
are,
you
know
wildly
successful
and
you
know
you
can
create.
You
know
these
excellent
economic
development
opportunities
and
create
you
know
massive
property
value
growth
and
occasionally
they
don't
work
out,
and
we
do
think
that
we've
isolated
a
few
factors
that
may
that
may
help
determine
whether
it's
successful
or
not.
P
So,
first
before
we
begin,
I
think
all
of
you
are
familiar
with
tiff
districts,
but
for
anyone
in
in
the
audience
whether
here
at
home,
who's,
not
here's
just
a
really
brief
overview
of
how
tiff
districts
work.
Basically,
when
a
tip
district
is
created
you
what
you
have
to
do
is
you
have
to
measure
the
equalized
assessed
value
of
all
of
the
property
equalize
assessed
value
is
a
way
of
measuring
property
values
you,
so
you
determine
the
base
equalized
assessed
value
or
eav,
and
over
the
course
of
the
tiff,
which
is
usually
23
years.
P
Excuse
me,
the
all.
The
taxing
bodies
within
that
tif
district
collect
revenue
based
on
the
base
eav
at
the
end
of
the
tif,
any
growth
that
and
basically,
while
while
that's
happening,
any
additional
revenues
that
accrue
as
a
result
of
property
value
growth
within
the
tif
district,
go
to
a
special
tiff
fund.
That's
used
to
finance
development
when
there's
an
initial
inject
at
the
end
of
23
years
or,
however
long
it's
been
set
for
any.
P
You
know,
additional
sort
of
the
growth
in
eav
over
that
time
leads
to
greater
property
revenues,
property
tax
revenues
for
all
the
tax
and
bodies
in
that
area.
P
So
that's
the
theory
of
how
tips
work
in
our
in
the
course
of
our
studies.
As
I
said,
we
we
looked
at
some
academic
academic
research
on
the
subject,
since
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
time.
We're
not
gonna
go
through
that
in
too
much
detail,
but
just
quickly
scholarly
efforts
to
determine
whether
tis
are
generally
successful
have
been
inclusive.
Some
studies
have
said
that
they
generally
do
raise
property
values
or
lead
to
other
sorts
of
economic
growth
within
the
designated
area.
P
Others
suggest
that
they
don't
or
that
they
do
create
growth,
but
at
the
expense
of
neighboring
areas
and
basically
our
what
we
got
from
that
was
not
that
tif
districts
are
inherently
a
good
idea
or
inherently
a
bad
idea,
basically
that
they
have
to
be
managed
in
an
intelligent
way
and
and
that
they
need
to
be.
Basically,
they
need
to
be.
You
need
to
pick
the
right
sort
of
project
and
need
to
manage
the
funds
from
the
tif
district
in
a
way
that
that
you
know
you
ensure
that
none
of
that
is
wasted.
P
Basically
excuse
me
so
moving
past
that
we
looked
at
several
central
illinois
cities,
specifically
springfield
peoria,
normal
urbana
champaign,
and
we
also
added
one
from
rock
island
just
as
sort
of
a
special
case.
Basically,
we
looked
at
tiff
districts
that
have
been
used
in
these
other
central
illinois,
cities
of
comparable
size
to
bloomington.
P
We
wanted
to
look
at
cities
with
a
similar
amount
of
resources
to
bloomington.
Basically
also
decatur,
although
decatur
turns
out,
has
not
is
not
up
to
date
on
its
tiff
reports,
so
they
ended
up
not
being
included
in
our
results,
but
in
any
case
we
looked
at
at
similar
cities
in
an
effort
to
see
what
has
happened
there
and
basically
the
results
have
been
mixed.
There
have
been
some
serious
success
stories
in
particular,
I'd
like
to
highlight.
P
There
are
a
few
here
that
I've
listed
in
the
interest
of
time,
I'll
just
talk
about
the
fiat
alice
tiff
in
springfield,
which,
at
the
beginning
of
of
its
life
cycle,
which
was
in
1989,
that
was
basically
an
abandoned
area
that
was
a
former
fiat
alice
plant
and
was
worth
practically
nothing
and
was
turned
into
a
thriving
commercial
district
and
saw
a
an
increase
in
property
values
in
that
area
of
something
like
700
percent
or
600.
I
believe
it
was
so.
P
This
is
really
the
sort
of
the
sort
of
project
you
want
to
go
for
with
with
tiff
districts.
You
want
to
find
an
area
that
is
really
severely
underdeveloped
and
then
make
smart
investments
in
sort
of
a
targeted
way
that
allow
you
to
turn
that
area
into
really
a
positive
contributor
of
the
26
tip
districts
that
we
ended
up.
Looking
at
that
had,
you
know,
updated
their
that
had
up-to-date
records.
P
15
of
them
saw
positive
growth
and
equalizer
test
value
over
the
course
of
the
tif,
considering
that
these
are
all
areas
that,
were,
you,
know,
stagnant
or
declining
when
they
started.
That
is
a
good
thing,
but
that
does
leave
11
that
saw
either
that
saw
a
negative
growth
over
that
time.
So
basically,
what
this
shows
is
that
there's
a
certain
amount
of
risk
involved
in
tip
districts.
P
First
of
all,
as
I
mentioned
before,
you
need
to
make
sure
that
whatever
investments,
you're
you're
making
are
actually
you
know
really
smartly
targeted.
Basically,
you
want
to
find
you
want
to
find
some
sort
of
of
area.
P
You
can
see
that
planners
didn't
really
take
all
those
things
into
account.
Basically,
they
either
finance
projects
that
were
not
totally
necessary
or
that
didn't
or
that
actually
took
took
a
valley
away
from
other
neighborhoods,
and
so
you
know,
when
we
talk
about
cautionary
tales,
that's
really
what
we're!
What
we're
referring
to
that
that,
basically,
like
any
tool
tiff
districts
can
be
used,
can
be
misused,
and
it's
very
very
important
that
you
that
you
know
careful
management
be
followed.
Q
Thanks
jeremiah
thanks
council,
so
for
the
last
few
minutes
of
our
presentation,
we'll
make
this
sort
of
specific
to
west
bloomington.
The
map
that
you're
looking
at
here
is
the
west
bloomington
revitalization
project
boundaries.
A
tif
does
not
necessarily
have
to
be
drawn
to
these
boundaries.
It
could
be
drawn
by
census,
tract
or
by
school,
district
or
uniquely,
but
one
of
the
things
we
note
in
this
map
is
you
see
a
high
percentage
of
rental
occupancy
compared
to
the
rest
of
the
city
of
bloomington.
Q
The
people
that
live
on
the
west
side
have
high
school
graduation
rates,
seven
percent
lower
than
that
of
mclean
county
at
large.
As
you
can
see,
those
who
have
a
bachelor's
degree,
30
percent
less
also
compared
to
mclean
county.
There
are
fewer
members
of
the
labor
force,
fewer
people
who
own
their
homes
and
the
median
household
income
is
about
20
thousand
dollars
less,
which
makes
west
bloomington
an
area
in
need
of
revitalization.
Q
Q
Q
As
justine
mentioned,
the
west
bloomington
housing
collaborative
received
the
1.5
million
dollar
a.g
grant
and
with
that
they're
also
working
on
housing
issues
attempting
to
revitalize
the
area
mid-central
community
action
alone
is
rehabbing
and
selling
13
homes.
Habitat
for
humanity
is
building
three
new
homes
for
families
on
the
west
side
and
the
west
bloomington
revitalization
project
is
repairing
and
rehabbing
20
owner
occupied
homes.
Q
Let's
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
enis
park,
neighborhood,
which
we
thought
was
the
most
similar,
perhaps
in
our
case
study
to
west
bloomington,
it's
located
in
springfield
and
during
the
life
of
their
tif
district.
There.
They
built
30
new
blocks
of
sidewalks,
12
blocks
of
historic
street
and
sidewalk
lighting
and
planted
trees
as
well
greatly
improving
the
look
of
the
community
and
the
value
of
the
area
as
a
whole.
Q
Q
So
what
our
research
this
semester
has
sort
of
told
us
about
the
success
of
a
tax
increment
finance
district
in
west
bloomington
is
that
it
would
almost
certainly
have
to
be
a
mixed
district.
We
found
no
solely
residential
tif
districts,
so
we
would
like
to
see
commercial
development
brought
to
the
area
and
have
growth
incentivized
in
that
way.
Q
There's
a
healthy
mix
in
almost
every
tif
of
both
public
and
private
investment.
So
the
city
funds
things
typically
like
infrastructure,
removing
environmental
contaminants
and
things
that
the
city
funds
on
a
regular
basis,
whereas
some
commercial
developers
are
interested
in
privately
investing
their
funds
in
improving
value.
Otherwise,.
Q
We
found
that
west
bloomington
specifically
is
as
a
population.
Demographic
is
a
great
area
for
revitalization
compared
to
the
other
communities
we
looked
at
where
tiffs
were
established.
They
have
a
step
ahead
in
many
regards
they're
working
in
higher
numbers,
they're
more
educated
in
general.
Q
They
have
a
higher
median
income
than
many
tif
communities.
However,
as
we
highlighted
they're
behind
the
city
of
bloomington
and
mclean
county
at
large
in
many
of
these
areas
as
well,
so
we
find
that
the
success
of
a
tif
in
general
is
most
largely
dependent
on
careful
management,
strategic
planning
and
depending
on
management.
A
mixed
tif
in
central
illinois
has
lost
as
much
as
30
percent
in
property
values
or
gained
as
much
as
80
percent.
Before
the
end
of
a
tif.
Q
So
the
next
step
is
talking
with
the
stakeholders,
west
bloomington
and
the
not-for-profits
there
that
we've
met
with
talking
with
the
school
districts
who
would
have
to
be
involved
in
the
discussion.
We
found
that
many
tiffs
in
central
illinois
were
able
to
work
closely
with
the
school
districts
specifically
so
that
they
were
not
losing
out
on
property
taxes
during
the
whole
23
years
of
the
tif,
for
example.
D
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
work
you
put
in
on
this.
I
I
know
you've
really
done
a
lot
of
research
on
it
and
it
shows-
and
I
appreciate
that
you've
looked
at
both
the
pros
and
the
cons.
One
thing
when
we
think
about
our
last
tiff,
which
was
the
downtown
tiff:
it
had
a
very
specific
map
to
it
and
you
had
one
that
was
like
lee
and
taylor,
and
I
don't
remember
the
other,
the
north
and
west,
but
I
think
we've
also
talked
from
time
to
time
about
having
project-based
tiffs.
D
C
P
The
basically,
I
think,
the
way
to
answer
that
is
that
you
have
to
draw
some
sort
of
boundaries.
That's
one
of
the
requirements
of
the
tiff
you
can,
if
you
want,
draw
them
to
be
just
you
know,
a
part
of
one
block,
for
instance
like
if
you
really
wanted
to
improve
one
building,
you
could
draw
the
boundaries
of
the
tiff
to
only
encompass
that,
so
that
is
possible.
B
All
the
woman
stearns-
and
we
got
several
people
stearns,
painter
and
black.
J
J
You
didn't
specifically
look
at
the
tiff
in
relating
a
little
bit
to
alderweireld
schmitz.
You
didn't
specifically
look
at
the
tiff
in
bloomington
to
see
how
it
fared
or
you
or
you
were
only
looking
at
tips
that
were
current,
because
this
the
downtown
tiff
only
closed
out
a
couple
of
years
ago.
I
mean
recently,
so
did
you
think
about
looking
at
that?
One.
P
J
And
I
I
appreciate
that
I
very
much
do
and
I
I'm
and
thank
you
for
explaining
that
personally,
I've
never
seen
any
numbers
in
here
in
bloomington
and
you
know
maybe
it's
because
there's
a
lot
of
data
but
on
specific
eav
and
I
totally
agree
with
your
parameter
of
measuring
eav
in
terms
of
success.
I
mean
you've
got
other
things
that
are
fine,
but
to
me
it
really
is
about.
You
know
eav,
and
I
never
saw
any
numbers
here
in
bloomington
specific
to
that
in
the
tiff
district
are
do
those
numbers
even
exist?
J
J
But
I'll
share
it
again.
Well
that
that'd
be
good,
but
it
would,
I
think,
that's
you
know
good
numbers
to
have
to
look
at
here
here
in
bloomington
and
other
than
that.
You
know
I
just
thought
it
was
well
very
well
done.
I
guess
your
points
I
think
about
pros
and
cons
throughout
are
really
really
well
taken.
J
When
I
did
some
research
few
years
ago,
I
looked
at
chicago
frankly
a
lot
and
all
of
the
controversy
up
there
and
all
of
the
reasons
for
it,
because
there
are
so
many
many
tips
for
one
thing
now
we're
a
totally
different
area,
but
I
noticed
that
you
do
wholeheartedly
kind
of
endorse
in
in
the
stuff.
I
read
kind
of
wholeheartedly
endorse
the
tiff
in
west
bloomington
is
that
am
I
reading
that
correctly.
P
I
would
say
that
that
we
wholeheartedly
endorse
consideration
of
a
tip
there
would,
in
order
to
before
the
tiff
would
ever
get
started.
You
would
want
to
do
a
feasibility
study
of
something.
P
Yeah,
so
it's,
but
we
do
think
I
mean,
based
on
on
the
the
characteristics
of
west
bloomington,
that
there
are
certain
you
know
blighted
areas,
but
there's
also
that
you
know
compared
to
other
sort
of
other
other
neighborhoods
that
we
looked
at
in
central
illinois
that
in
some
ways
it's
got
an
infrastructure
already.
In
terms
of
you
know,
non-profit
organization.
P
J
J
M
Thank
you,
for
you
did
a
really
great
job
with
that,
and
I
appreciate
all
your
hard
work.
I
I
really
liked
when
you
said
that
you
were
going
to
engage
the
public
and
get
their
ideas.
I
was
just
curious.
How
are
you
going
to
engage
them
because
I
think
that's
one
of
the
most
important
things
for
whether
this
will
succeed
or
fail.
O
I
may
rose
between
two
thorns.
No,
I
think
that's
one
of
the
questions
that
that
we
do
want
to
put
forth
to
the
council
is
whether
you
want
us
to
spend
more
time
moving
forward
on
this
type
of
a
concept
and
potential
tool
for
for
economic
development
or
not.
If
you
do,
we've
already
engaged
the
action
research
center
at
illinois,
wesleyan
for
next
semester
for
another
set
of
marketing
interns,
whereby
a
communication
strategy
and,
of
course,
working
with
nora.
R
Thank
you,
mr
mayor,
and
thank
you
for
all
the
hard
work
you've
done
and
I
really
appreciate
you
engaging
with
the
with
me
and
the
other
members
of
stakeholders
in
the
community.
That's
really
important
as
we
move
forward
through
this
process.
I
guess
I'm
kind
of
looking
more
at
a
high
level.
I
read
through
the
paper
and
thinking
about
what
would
you
think
and
there's
going
to
be
a
converse
to
this?
R
Did
you
find
in
the
research
any
kind
of
specific
trend
of
in
all
the
different
tips
that
you
looked
at
because
there's
a
on
your
eav
graph
of
success
and
over
the
the
course
of
their
life
that
you
see
ones
that
are,
you
know,
200
600
percent
and
sometimes
they're?
Just
barely,
you
know,
20
loss.
Was
there
a
specific?
I
don't
know
trait
characteristic
that
you
saw
kind
of
that
wove
through
all
of
them
that
led
to
some
success.
P
Sure,
well,
I
I
think
that
in
at
least
in
in
we
couldn't
study
every
single
one
of
them,
there
were
too
many,
but
we
did
take
a
look
at
the
most
successful
tips
and
we
did
see
that
in
the
case
of
the
most
successful
tiffs,
they
really
started
from
very
little
and
and
they
you
know
they
managed
to
to
put
a
commercial
development
in
place.
That
was
not,
you
know,
duplicating
other
other
developments
throughout
the
city.
So.
R
P
Yeah,
I
mean
in
some
ways
it's
sort
of
hard
to
tell
with
some
of
them.
I
mean
it
basically
in
all
in
almost
all
those
cases,
just
generally
speaking,
what
you're
looking
at
is
that,
for
whatever
reason
the
investments
they
made
didn't
actually
either
either
they
spent
too
much
on
them
and
couldn't
possibly
make
them
back
or
for
whatever
reason
they
just
didn't.
P
You
know
didn't
end
up
being
as
successful
as
as
they
were
supposed
to
be
and,
and
why
that
is.
Is
there
are
any
number
of
reasons
for
that?
Basically,.
P
Yeah
I
mean
if
basically,
if
you
know,
we
looked
at
one
case,
for
instance
in
in
springfield
where
there
was
a
development
of
what
was
already
sort
of
a
high-end
office
building,
and
basically
somebody
knew
somebody
in
in
the
economic
development
office.
I
think
and
managed
to
get
it.
P
Managed
to
get
approval
for
a
project
that
really
they
had
no
business
getting
approval
for,
and
so
it
was
basically
kind
of
a
boondoggle,
and
so
that
thing
can
happen
certainly
sure,
but
I
I
think
in
bloomington
that
stuff
is
going
to
be
a
bit
rarer
than
in
some
of
your
other,
certainly
than
in
some
somewhere
like
chicago,
but
even
absolutely,
even
some
other
central
illinois
cities.
I
think
well.
R
B
Alderman
fazzini
lauer
and
milo
one
boy.
K
Let
me
share
just
a
little
bit.
I
attended
a
seminar
on
financing
in
illinois
and
it
was
on
tiffs
in
particular
in
chicago
last
week,
and
I
think
we
also
studied
four
other
states
and
how
the
tif
districts
worked
in
each
state.
Everyone
I'm
different,
but
the
success
and
tiffs
got
down
to
two
things:
number
one
management
of
the
tiff
once
it
was
established
and
number
two
a
solid
business
plan
for
why
I
was
going
to
be
successful,
so
it
really
just
sort
of
like
applying
for
a
loan.
K
If
your
business
plan
is
solid
and
you
have
good
people
managing
it,
it'll
succeed
and
if
it
has
little
quirks
like
it,
was
somebody's
relative
or
it's
one
building,
and
if
that
doesn't
work,
we're
done
even
the
ones
where
it
was
one
building.
They
suggested
you
have
a
much
broader
one
so
that
you
don't
have
to
reapply
for
another
tiff
and
you
could
do
something
else
within
that
broader
district.
If
that
particular
one
building
doesn't
work
so
business
plan
management
after
it
gets
started
fairly.
Simple.
P
B
Have
run
out
of
time,
but
I'm
going
to
use
our
discretion
to
keep
going,
because
we
have
two
more
aldermen
that
one
questions
ultimate
lauer
and
then
the
middle
one
boy.
S
Okay,
well
just
real
quick
again,
thanks
and
and
great
great
great
job
here.
Did
you
do
any
analysis
in
terms
of
crime
data
prior
to
a
tiff
and
and
then
after
the
tiff
got
going
or
after
it
was
completed.
S
S
One
of
the
big
things
that
I've
you
know
am
troubled
with
with
one
of
these
types
of
projects
is
that
we're
raising
property
values
which
raises
taxes?
Okay,
revenue
is
what
we're
concerned
with,
but
from
a
personal
standpoint,
how
do
those
folks
continue
to
pay
the
additional
taxes
without
any
real
relevant
addition
to
their
income
as
a
demographic
and,
and
so
that's,
that's
the
area
that
I'm
concerned
with.
S
If
we're
requiring
more
by
raising
their
property
values
artificially,
then
how
do
we
in
effect,
allow
them
to
increase
their
income
to
cover
that
additional
expense?
So
just
a
thought.
C
Okay,
thank
you.
I
agree.
You
guys
did
a
fantastic
job.
Thank
you
very
much.
I
guess
I
have
a
couple
questions.
The
first
one
would
be
if
you
got
a
sense
from
the
different
taxing
bodies
about
their
reaction.
You
know
whether
it
was
enthusiastic,
say,
go
forth
and
conquer
or
or
not.
C
P
Order
to
get
a
more
detailed
answer
on
that,
I
might
want
to
talk
to
deborah
who
has
had
conversations
with
the
superintendent
for
district
87,
who
I
I
believe
was
not.
You
know
totally
opposed
to
the
idea.
So,
but
beyond
that,
I'm
afraid
I
can't
really
give
you
a
lot
of
specifics,
but
certainly
that's
an
important
consideration.
Just
as
a.
B
It
seemed
like
district
87
was
potentially
okay
as
long
as
we
were
careful
and
surgical,
but
you
had
other
questions.
Sure.
C
Okay,
thank
you.
That's
a
good
answer.
The
the
other
question
I
had
was
about
gentrification.
You
know.
Did
you.
C
You
know
in
your
research:
did
you
find
people?
Did
you
find
a
way
for
people
to
stop
that
process?
If
it
were
to
happen,
because
I
know
that's
typically
the
concern
with
tiffs,
you
know
in
many
of
the
areas
that
I've
seen.
P
Yeah,
that
was,
we
certainly
were
thinking
about
that.
Excuse
me.
I
think
that
actually
sort
of
goes
hand
in
hand
with
what
alderman
lauer
was
saying.
You
know
if
you're
raising
taxes,
you
know,
how
do
you
make
sure
that
doesn't
hurt
the
people
there,
and
certainly
you
know
the
tif
district
could
not
be
the
be
all
and
end
all
of
projects
in
west
bloomington,
where
we
would
certainly
suggest
that,
in
addition
to
this,
that
other
projects
that
that
you
know
more
sort
of
directly.
P
That
you
know
help
raise
you
know,
incomes
and
so
forth
in
the
west
side
would
be
great.
Also.
We
were
mostly
looking
at
most
of
the
tif
districts
that
we
looked
at
were
commercial,
primarily
commercial,
which
would
not
have
as
much
of
an
effect
in
terms
of
gentrification
because
you're
not
dealing
with
housing.
So
we
would.
We
do
like
the
idea
of
dealing
something
somewhat
with
housing.
You
know
sort
of
rehabbing
old
houses
and
doing
you
know
streetscaping
in
neighborhoods
and
stuff,
like
that.
P
Those
are
some
possible
projects,
but
certainly
that
would
be
an
important
concern
in
any
sort
of
housing.
Even
partial,
partial,
partially
residential
tif
you'd
have
to
make
sure
that
you're
not
driving
people
out
of
the
neighborhood.
Thank
you.
Okay,.
B
B
And
obviously
this
is
a
discussion
we're
going
to
continue
with,
but
moving
right
along
from
tiffs
to
sewers
item
7b
locust
street
combined
sewer,
overflow
elimination
and
water,
main
replacement,
phase,
2
construction
budget,
and
I
will
we
have
a
10-minute
presentation
and
then
a
20-minute
discussion.
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
our
city
manager,
and
I
guess
mr
carter
she's
already
up
here.
B
G
You
mayor
they're,
the
so-called
phase
two
of
the
locust
colton
cso
elimination
project
is
something
that
has
been
discussed
at
the
staff
level,
even
during
the
budget
process,
for
a
number
of
reasons
it
didn't
make
it
into
the
budget.
I
want
to
come
back
to
some
of
those
here
shortly,
but
first,
what
I'd
like
to
do
has
have
jim
just
give
an
overview
of
this
proposed
phase
two,
what's
included
in
the
project,
what
did
we
learn
from
phase
one?
G
What
do
we
see
is
some
of
the
improvements
that
would
be
included
that
maybe
weren't
in
phase
one?
How
are
we
continuing
trying
to
learn
from
the
first
10
million
dollar
phase?
One
project
as
jim
finishes
I'll,
come
back
to
some
of
the
ongoing
issues
we're
still
looking
at
so
on
and
so
forth,
but
first
mayor
and
council,
let's
turn
to
jim
for
an
overview
of
this
project,
which
is
a
continuation
of
a
very
expensive
and
a
large
geographic
area
that
is
needing
to
have
separation
of
these
combined
sewers.
So
jim
carts.
N
Thank
you,
city
manager,
hales,
mayor
and
city
council
tonight
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
phase
two
of
the
locus
colton
cso
elimination
phase.
One
was
completed
in
august
of
2013..
This
one
is
going
to
be
smaller.
The
first
one
was
10
million
dollars
in
nature.
The
largest
project
the
city
of
bloomington,
has
undertaken
up
until
we
get
into
this
bond
work.
It's
going
to
be
matching
that,
but
until
then
this
was
one
of
the
largest
pieces.
We've
done
really
quick,
just
a
a
quick
highlight
for
you
with
the
combined
sewers.
N
We've
talked
a
lot
about
them
in
the
past,
but
it's
always
good
to
keep
on
your
radar
as
a
council.
If
you
look
up
on
the
screen,
you
can
see
the
the
purple
or
bright,
pink
and
hue
depending
upon
how
you
see
colors
for
myself
the
center
part
of
town
there's
a
lot
of
combined
sewers
out
there.
Let's
briefly
talk
about
the
separated
sewer
system
compared
to
a
regular,
combined
sewer
systems,
you
have
a
separated
sewer
system
which
you
see
up
on
the
screen,
the
house
whenever
it
takes
a
shower
flushes,
the
toilet.
N
It
goes
into
a
sanitary
sewer
whenever
the
rain
comes.
You
have
the
runoff
that
goes
into
the
creek
sugar
creek.
Very
nice.
Visual
combined
sewers
are
a
little
bit
different.
Whenever
you
take
a
shower
flush,
the
toilet,
it
goes
into
a
pipe
that,
in
turn
takes
the
same.
It
is
the
same
pipe
that
carries
the
runoff
from
the
rains
whenever
they
come.
What
the
problem
is
the
combined
sewer
overflow,
you
can
see
up
on
the
screen.
The
lighter
orange
is
whenever
there
gets
to
be
too
much
water
in
those
combined
sewers.
N
They
were
not
originally
designed
to
take
some
of
the
flows
that
they
get
now
they
they.
You
get
10-year
100-year
storm
events
and
those
combined
sewers
get
filled
more
than
they
can
handle.
It
exceeds
their
capacity,
and
that's
where
you
have
this
this
overflow
pipe
and
that's
where
you
get
that
goes
into
a
creek.
The
epa
regulates
those
the
epa
regulates.
Those
in
the
city
of
bloomington
has
a
permit
with
on
an
annual
basis.
N
We
spend
twenty
thousand
dollars
a
year
a
year
on
that
permit
again,
as
a
reminder,
we
have
82
miles
of
combined
sewer
in
the
city
of
bloomington,
that's
out
of
a
total
of
about
700
miles
for
our
sanitary
storm
drain
sanitary
force,
main
out
of
about
420
centerline
miles.
We
have
about
800
lane
miles
it's
a
lot
of
pipe
that
we
have
in
the
ground.
N
So
we're
not
alone.
It's
good
for
me
to
remind
you
of
that.
Bloomington
is
one
of
about
750
communities
in
the
united
states,
about
100
in
illinois
that
struggle
with
combined
sewers.
So
we
talk
a
little
bit
about
specifically
for
us.
We
talked
about
that.
We
are
regulated
by
an
epa
permit.
That's
why
we're
doing
this?
That's
why
we're
working
toward
this?
We
are
not
like
peoria
that
is
regulated.
They
have
a
mandate
that
they
have
to
move
forward
with
this.
N
We
have
a
total
of
seven
in
the
city
of
bloomington.
Most
of
them
have
been
eliminated.
We
are
now
down
to
the
final
two
locust
combined
sewer
overflow
and
then
also
a
maze
field
which
comprises
of
about
three
of
them,
which
is
under
this
budget
year
to
be
designed
to
be
eliminated.
It's
good
to
keep
all
of
that
in
context.
So,
as
the
city
manager
said,
what
lessons
did
we
learn
from
phase
one?
It
was
a
10
million
10
million
dollar
job
with
a
lot
of
work
that
went
into
the
ground
it
was.
N
It
was
a
substantial
project
that
we
undertook
some
things
we're
going
to
be
doing
differently
this
time
than
we
did
last
time
for
one
we
weren't
able
to
get
all
of
the
resurfacing
done.
As
you
recall,
washington,
street,
from
tuwanda
to
moore
it
was
chopped
up.
You
know
you
went
there.
You
went
through
washington
street
a
major
arterial
road
of
11
000
vehicles
a
day
and
you
had
to
put
pipe
down,
and
we
didn't
have
the
money
to
be
able
to
overlay
that
and
to
put
a
proper
surface
on
that.
We're
doing
that.
N
What
is
the
practice
that
public
works
will
do
moving
forward
with
curb
and
gutter,
and
we
we
let
you
know
that
whenever
that
serviceable
curb
was
gone,
we'll
be
having
to
redo
that
we'll
be
doing
point
replacement.
But
whenever
there's
no
curb
left
it's
not
serving
the
purpose.
We
have
to
remove
and
replace
that
curb,
and
that's
again,
that's
out
on
the
website.
We
did
that
presentation
that
the
cost
difference
was
a
75
to
175
difference
to
do
all
of
the
curb
and
gutter
differently.
N
So
in
this
case
for
two
of
those
smaller
streets,
we're
actually
going
to
be
redoing,
the
curb
and
gutter,
and
so
that's
another
benefit
that
we're
trying
to
do
differently
because
of
where,
where
that
curb
is
is
just
not,
it
is
there's
so
much
of
it
that
is
gone,
we're
not
able
to
salvage
that
so
we're
going
back
and
replacing
that,
but
on
washington,
mercer
and
grove,
we're
doing
point
repairs
on
the
curb,
as
we've
done
in
a
lot
of
the
places.
So
those
are
some
lessons
learned.
N
Another
lesson
learned
is
over
this
over
the
winter.
You
know
over
the
winter,
whenever
we
do
winter
shutdown,
the
intention
you
know
the
weather,
permitting,
we
always
say
weather
permitting,
because
you
cannot
control
weather,
but
whether
permitting
the
intention
with
the
schedule
is
to
to
have
a
good,
strong,
hard
shutdown
to
be
able
to
have
a
surface
that
residents
are
able
to
more
easily
get
around
on
over
the
winter
period.
So
the
work
on
washington
will
be
done
up
until
the
end
of
this
construction
season.
N
Assuming
we
had
continued
to
have
success
and
approval
with
the
council
and
then
starting
back
up
in
the
spring
of
2015,
with
the
project
being
completed
at
the
end
of
2015..
So
up
on
the
screen,
you
have
the
the
schedule
we
are
looking
to
advertise
this
project.
Should
the
council,
you
know
kind
of
continue
to
give
their
blessing
to
this
and
then
we'd
be
looking
for
substantial
completion
december
of
2015..
N
N
Should
we
go
through
when
we
go
through
this
process,
we
award,
we
we
open
the
bids
and
if
we
get
good
pricing,
we
say
this
is
what
we
we
want
to
do
we'll
take
it
back
to
you
as
a
council
to
say:
do
you
approve
us
continuing
to
get
that
iepa
loan?
What
this
project
does
is.
This
is
a
good
thing
for
you
to
know.
This
is
that
low
interest
loan
that
we
had
as
part
of
the
first
phase.
N
This
is
another
low-interest
loan
that
would
be
a
20-year
loan
for
a
2
percent
a
twenty
year
loan
at
two
percent
that
we
don't
have
to
start
paying
back
until
after
the
project
is
completed,
so
it
wouldn't
begin
payment
back
to
the
epa
until
the
fiscal
year
after
may.
First
of
2016
is
the
anticipated
time
if
these
hold
up.
So
with
these
time,
schedules
hold
up.
So
that's
kind
of
that
anticipated
time
frame
to
start
making
payments
back
to
the
epa,
but
it
is
good
to
know
that
the
city
makes
the
upfront
payments.
G
Let
me
just
go
through
a
few
other
things
that
we've
been
talking
about
staff
and
why
this
has
still
been
kind
of
a
work
in
progress.
First
off,
there's
still
concern
about
the
the
fiscal
health
of
our
sanitary
sewer
fund
and
storm
water
fund.
As
you've
seen
in
the
back
up
report,
the
sanitary
sewer
fund
is
in
a
positive
balance
of
2.5
million
the
storm
water
fund,
only
0.7
million.
G
G
Second,
we
are
dealing
with
two
funds-
sanitary
sewer
and
storm
water
fund.
Where
we
do,
we
are
going
to
be
looking
at
the
large
operating
budgets
that
are
part
of
these
funds.
You
know
these
funds
are
asked
to
cover
both
operating
expenses
and
capital
expenses,
but
it
is
something
where
we
on
an
administrative
level.
We
do
want
to
audit
what
the
operating
portion
of
those
funds
make
sure
they're
appropriate
defendable
things
of
that
nature.
So
that's
something
we're
looking
at.
G
Third,
as
you
know,
we
now
have
in
our
possession
and
part
of
city
manager's
action
plan
for
this
year
is
to
bring
back
recommendations
for
a
five
to
twenty
year.
Capital
improvement
plan,
one
portion
of
which
will
be
sewer
and
stormwater,
and
I
think
the
total
cost
of
deferred
or
total
cost
of
projects
included
in
those
master
plans
was
what
189
139.
N
G
139
million
there
is
some
other
pressing
priorities
in
that
master
plan:
the
east
side,
concerns
of
midward
and
even
ours
of
of
how,
in
rain
events,
there's
a
lot
of
water
that
gets
into
the
east
side.
Sanitary
sewer
that
at
times,
overcharges
you
know,
is
more
than
what
the
new
randolph
waste
treatment
plant
can
absorb.
That
is
still
a
very
much
a
big
concern
to
the
city
and
so
far
as
we're
looking
at
the
cost
to
resolve
that
they
are
not
small
in
dollar
terms.
G
Another
thing
we're
looking
at
is
the
reimbursement
from
the
state
for
these
types
of
loans.
As
jim
said,
these
are
reimbursement
projects
we
pay
up
front
and
then
get
reimbursed,
and
I,
where
are
we
jim
on?
How
much
have
we
been
reimbursed
by
the
state
on
phase
one
so
far,.
N
Yeah
that
one
is
again
it
was
completed
in
august
of
2013,
but
there
are
still
outstanding
payments
where
we
went
back
work
with
the
finance
department.
It
still
is
in
the
I
think,
around
two
million
dollars
to
where
that
we're
we
are
now
pushing
the
state
to.
You
know
again
do
that
reimbursement,
because
the
city
pays
for
that
up
front.
G
And
again,
that's
we're
moving
forward.
We
found
over
many
many
years.
G
G
You
know
so
this
is,
has
been
a
work
in
process.
As
you
see
this,
we
have
a
time
frame.
We
have
performance
standards
that
would
be
incorporated
in
this
contract
to
help
ensure
that
we
avoid
those
kind
of
problems
like
we've
had
in
the
past,
because
I
think
the
last
thing
we
want
to
do
you
know
our
goal
here
is
to
minimize
customer
complaints
both
to
you
as
well
as
to
us.
So
those
are
some
things
that
have
caused
because
of
those
it
didn't.
I
wasn't
comfortable
recommending
it
to
the
council.
G
On
the
other
hand,
as
jim
said,
yes,
we
still
have
to
ultimately
work
with
the
iepa
to
ensure
that
these
cso
overflows
are
eliminated.
On
the
other
hand,
I
think
jim
and
his
crews
have
done
a
great
job,
maintaining
good
positive
working
relationships
with
the
staff
up
there.
They
are
ready
to
loan
us
another
batch
of
money,
and
so
what
I've
been
asking-
and
what
I
would
ask
tonight
is
at
least
you
give
conceptual
approval
to
have
us
continue
to
move
on
this
timeline.
G
K
Probably
more
of
a
comment
rather
than
a
question,
and
I
want
to
echo
david
something
that
you
said
because
over
the
years
what
I've
observed
is
is
precisely
that
kind
of
that
proactive
relationship
building
that
our
staff
has
done
with
it
with
the
epa,
and
why
is
that
important?
Right
I
mean
relationship
building
is
good.
K
What
we
don't
want
to
have
happen
is
what
we've
seen
with
some
other
central
illinois
communities,
where
they
lose
control
of
cso
efforts
and
and
where
then
the
epa
simply
comes
in
and
goes
you
know
what
you're
gonna
need
to
spend.
You
know
50
million
dollars
next
year
and
get
that
done
next
year
now.
Those
figures
aren't
are
quite
that
accurate,
but
that's
the
reality
right.
K
S
David,
as
I
recall,
the
the
rate
at
for
phase
one,
the
the
interest
rate
was
close
to
four
percent.
Is
that
correct-
and
this
is
this-
is
much
less.
I.
S
And
do
we
have
some
backup
financing
options
available,
going
down
the
road
in
cases
the
state,
at
least
on
the
short
term,
so
that
we
don't
let
ourselves
get
caught
and
kind
of.
G
Maybe
typically,
on
projects
of
this
nature
with
a
storm
sewer
sanitary
sewer
fund,
you
could
issue
revenue
bonds,
pledge
the
future
fees
that
would
be
generated
from
these
funds
as
the
the
revenue
to
pay
off
the
debt
service.
But,
as
I
mentioned
early
on
these,
the
very
low
fund
balance,
and
especially
with
the
storm
water
master
plans,
130
million
rating
agencies
may
look
at
that
and
say
well.
If
the
council
is
willing
to
raise
fees
by
100
percent,
200
percent,
you
know
very
large
to
ensure
there
would
be.
G
You
know,
revenue
to
pay
that
you
know
those
are
some
issues
we
haven't
fully
vetted,
but
you
know
general
obligation.
Bonds
could
be
another.
You
know
the
full
faith
and
credit,
but
we
haven't
spent
as
much
time
given
how
the
state
is
willing
to
give
us
some
very
low
interest
rates,
work
with
us
on
20-year
financing,
but
if
necessary,
we
could
look
at
the
other
options
too,
but
I
doubt
that
we
would
be
from
an
interest
rate
standpoint
find
anything
as
favorable
plus.
N
S
N
It's
also
important
to
note,
as
a
council,
just
to
tell
you
up
front
when
we
come
back
to
you
for
that
concurrence
on
this
on
this
loan
there
have
to
be,
as
with
phase
one,
those
binding
ordinances
saying
we'll
pay
for
this,
and
that's
something
that
you
know
as
part
of
that
package
with
the
epa
to
get
this
funding.
It's
good
to
know
that,
now
that
those
are
some,
you
know
they
need
to
make
sure
that
the
the
city
has.
N
K
The
city
of
peoria
has
been
mandated
to
spend
a
certain
amount
of
money
because
they
didn't
operate
as
quickly
as
the
epa
wanted
right
correct.
How
close
were
we
to
that
situation?
Had
we
not
taken
the
10
million
dollar
bond
when
we
did
and
keep
in
mind,
this
council
did
not
vote
to
do
that.
The
first
time
it
took
three
months
of
conversations
to
get
that
done.
We
did
get
it
done
and
I
think
it
was
the
right
move.
We
also
when
we
had
the
at
large
whole
committees
of
the
whole.
K
The
finance
and
administration
committee
was
beyond
the
10
million
dollar
bond.
There
were
other
bonds
that
were
going
to
be
recommended.
This
would
be
one
of
them
that
we
could
have
done
a
bond
for,
but
we
wouldn't
have
gotten
two
percent.
K
N
In
our
discussion
with
epa,
we
did
not
have
a
date
certain
or
a
a
specified
time
frame
when
we
had
to
meet
that,
but
they
were
pleased.
I
will
say
that
in
our
discussions
they
were
pleased
that
we
had
moved
forward
with
the
study
of
the
issue
and
we
moved
forward
with
funding
of
it.
You
know
we
have
begun
implementation,
so
what
they
look
for
is.
Do
you
have
a
plan?
N
Are
you
moving
forward
with
the
plan
in
a
timely
fashion,
so
there
have
not
been
indications
or
any
threats
or
innuendos
that
they're
looking
to
do
that
with
us,
because
I
believe
the
city
has
been
proactive
in
that
whenever
we
saw
many
other
communities
start
to
to
kind
of
come
under
that
that
armhole
that
so
to
speak,
we
we
kind
of
we're
proactive
as
a
staff,
so
that
as
a
city,
that
is
a
good
thing.
K
One
question
and
a
couple
comments:
question
is
several
of
us
missed
that
session
a
couple
months
ago
with
the
legislators
did:
did
we
talk
to
them
at
that
time
about
the
two
million
dollars
that
they're
in
air
in
errors.
N
Actually,
and
that
with
the
epa
we
did
not,
but
we
will
be
what
we're
doing
is
we're
reaching
out
through
them
to
try
to
encourage-
and
at
that
point
I
guess,
city
manager,
if
there's
anything
else,
we
will
be
looking
to
do
whatever
we
need
to
do.
I
know
we've
been
taking
whatever
measures
necessary.
G
And
the
first
priority
is
make
sure
we
give
them
everything
that
they
need,
that
they
need
to
review,
to
approve
and
inevitably
they're
always
coming
back.
I
need
this
or
that
or
additional
documentation
once
we
do
all
of
our
part,
then
if
they
drag
their
feet,
then
we'll
use
any
and
all
political
means
to
put
the
pressure
you
know
to
to
get
those
reimbursements
made
to
the
city.
K
Thank
you
a
couple
quick
comments.
You
had
some
excellent
screenshots
there
that
are
gonna,
be
perfect
material
for
budget
discussions
going
forward
to,
I
think,
that's
our
a
real
objective
for
us
all
going
forward
is
to
make
sure
the
public
understands
was
it
139.
K
J
Just
just
a
couple
things
obviously
phase
one
phase,
two,
it's
all
been
in
an
extremely
long
term.
Planning
stage
would
would
you
not
agree.
N
J
Right
indeed,
you
know
a
lot
of
the
considerations
of
improvements
along
country
club
were
held
back
waiting
for
this,
and
that's
one
of
the
things
that
I
worked
on
my
whole.
You
know
first
term
is
waiting
and
understanding
why
and
finally
getting
there.
So
it's
it's
really
great
to
be
you
know,
phase
one
did
have
its
concerns
sounds
like
some
of
that
will
be
addressed.
J
We
won't
have
another
fairview
avenue,
which
is
good,
we're
already
starting
to
get
some
comments
from
the
neighbors,
as
you
saw
the
one
come
through
today
about
warner
street.
So
when
I
have
two
other
things,
but
when
is
the
first
public
meeting
do
we
know.
J
N
S
J
N
We
had
been
talking
about
that
rate
and
fee
study
since
the
beginning
of
that
master
plan
right.
That
is
something
that's
good
to
note
now
that
the
epa
has
got
their
eye
on
whenever
that
says
that
that
rate
we're
actually
as
a
staff.
Looking
for
how
can
we
bring
that
recommendation
to
the
council
to
make
sure
that
it
will
work?
It's
good
for
you
to
know
that
we're
trying
to
work
through
that
now
so.
N
Actually,
that's
important
to
note
risk
on
a
short
snippet.
It's
been
since
2004
since
that
that
fee
was
first
put
into
place,
and
that
was
the
first
time
the
fee
had
ever
been
put
into
place,
and
so
it
doesn't
pay
for
all
the
things
that
we
need
now
many
different
aldermans
have
aldermen
have
issues
with
the
either
drainage
issues
that
we
can't
address,
or
creek
restoration
or
other
issues
that
we've
said
we're
sorry
as
a
staff.
We
don't
have
the
funding
to
address
that.
J
B
J
I'll
make
the
motion
that
we
accept
this
item
as
presented
a.
B
B
K
Yes,
and
and
and
thanks
mayor
because
when
we
say
process,
this
would
be
somewhat
like
the
journey
of
a
thousand
miles,
starting
with
one
step
right
again,
maybe
take
a
minute
to
summarize,
where
we've
come
from
a
little
bit
and
talk
about
some
next
steps
that
we
can
can
look
at
over
the
next.
You
know
a
few
weeks
and
months
back
in
the
fall,
I
I
sent
some
information
to
the
to
to
the
council
some
articles
about
priority-based
budgeting.
K
One
of
those
articles
was
in
fact
from
the
government
finance
office
agency
and
and
specifically
entitled
priority
based
budgeting,
and
I'm
going
to
suggest
that
that
again,
as
we
start
to
kind
of
acclimate
and
and
talk
about
identifying
the
scope
of
this
work,
I'm
going
to
suggest
that
that
I've
started
at
least
looking
at
that
article,
specifically
the
framework
for
the
process
that
it
lays
out.
It's
it's
very
practical.
K
I
think
more
applied
in
nature
talks
about
some
some
intermittent
results
and
deliverables
along
the
way
stresses
the
importance
that
the
governing
body
has
in
this
process.
I
mean
we
really
do
own
and
control
the
priority-based
budgeting
effort.
K
There's
a
fair
amount
of
of
water
that
we
have
to
carry
as
a
part
of
that,
and
and
so
again
I
would
just
encourage
you
to
go
back
and
familiarize
yourself
with
that
article.
I
believe
our
admin
office
has
made
hard
copies.
Yes,.
B
I
thought
we
were
going
to
have
them
this
evening.
I
mentioned
them
to
laura
on
friday,
but
I
believe
that
was
her
last
day,
so
I
was
hoping
that
we'd
have
them
for
us.
K
Because
I
I
thought,
as
you
did,
that
those
would
be
available,
but
but
again
we
can
put
those
in
in
boxes.
So
so
again
that
provides
just
a
conceptual
framework
that
I
think
will
will
help
us
move
forward.
K
The
second
item,
the
next
two
items,
are
actually
our
strategic
plan
and
our
citizen-based
summit
and
both
of
those
are
available
on
our
city
website.
If
you
go
and
do
a
search
on
strategic
plan
that
will
pop
up,
if
you
go
and
do
a
search
on
citizen
summit,
we
actually
had
two
of
them,
the
second
one
being
the
last
one
that
we
had
was
in
2011..
K
The
strategic
plan
lays
out
some
of
the
principles,
values
and
priorities
that
that
we've
kind
of
settled
on
and
started
to
focus
on
as
a
consul.
Why
is
that
important?
Because
part
of
that
water,
that
we
have
to
carry
is
in
fact
laying
out
some
of
those
principles,
values
and
plans
that
we
want
to
take
forward
in
a
priority-based
budgeting
effort,
and
so
again
I
would
encourage
you
to
look
at
that.
I
will
share
with
you
and
and
and
david
I
apologize,
because
I
actually
hadn't
looked
at
that
for
a
while.
K
The
great
amount
of
work
that's
been
completed
related
to
our
2015
strategic
plan
goals
is
reflected
in
there.
There's
there's
a
there's,
a
fair
amount
of
work.
That's
already
been
completed
by
staff,
and-
and
I
guess
I
I
apologize
because
I
I
hadn't
created
that
that
awareness
for
myself,
as
I
probably
should
have
over
the
years
again,
staff
has
done
a
good
job.
K
If
you
look
at
all
of
our
staff
reports
that
come
to
us
on
on
agenda
items,
you'll
find
that
as
part
of
the
backup
report,
you'll
always
see
a
linkage
to
our
strategic
plan
and
the
strategic
objectives
that
are
associated
with
that.
I
was
reminded
again
just
looking
at
the
the
staff
back
up
for
the
the
combined
sewer
effort
that
we
have
links
in
there
that
are
related
to
to
our
strategic
plan
and
one
of
those
objectives
being
a
well-maintained
and
functioning
sewer
system.
K
So
so
again,
we
we
maybe
have
lost
sight
a
little
bit
as
a
console
of
the
strategic
plan,
but
our
staff
has
continued
to
look
at
that
and
link
the
the
day-to-day
operational
proposals
that
they
bring
to
us
back
to
our
strategic
plan.
Then,
finally,
is
our
citizen
summit
and
and
and
again
I
will
just
kind
of
summarize
what
that
was
for
folks
who
weren't
here
what
we
did
was
down
at
the
bcpa
basement.
We
invited
approximately
100
residents
from
across
the
city.
There
were
actually
ten
invited
from
each
ward.
K
I
know
in
my
award,
I
identified
10
neighborhoods
in
my
ward
and
invited
a
person
from
each
one
of
those
neighborhoods.
So
we
we
really
had
a
very
reliable
and
valid
kind
of
randomly
selected
cross
section
across
dark
community,
and
that
was
important.
I
thought
because
it
it
it
kept
us
intellectually
honest
in
in
in
the
information
that
was
covered,
that
night
there
were
10
at
large.
I
think
the
mayor
mayor
stockton
also
invited
an
additional
kind
of
10
at
large.
K
What
from
from
you
know
what
are
some
services
that
that
citizens
would
be
willing
to
either
look
at
being
downsized
or
eliminated,
and
then
what
are
some
services
that
citizens
would
be
willing
to
pay
more
for
so
again,
we've
we've
done
some
priority,
some
some
outlining
of
principles
and
values
within
our
strategic
plan,
but
we
also
then
took
the
initial
step
to
ask
for
some
citizen
feedback
on
that
which
again
is
part
of
the
water
that
we'll
have
to
carry.
You
know,
I
think
johnny.
K
You
mentioned
that
a
little
while
ago
on
another.
You
know,
item
was
the
importance
of
citizen
feedback.
How
do
we
do
that?
So
so
these
these
are
going
to
kind
of
be
the
the
three
three
items,
at
least
at
this
point
that
will
kind
of
provide
our
framework
going
forward
for
priority-based
budgeting.
K
You
know,
I
think
the
fourth
and
final
piece
is,
is
something
that
I
know
that
that
I've
been
really
enthusiastically
waiting
for-
and
I
know
david
and
staff
have
been
busy
on
this,
and
that
is
that
capital
improvement
program
that
will
very
much
help
with
our
prioritization
going
forward.
You
know,
as
we
look
at
different
needs
across
the
city,
rather
whether
they're
their
infrastructure
enforcement,
economic
development,
capital
equipment
replacement.
Whatever
that
might
be
mayor,
you-
and
I
have
had
a
couple
of
conversations
about
how
we
might
move
forward
with
that.
K
I
think
there
are
some
resources
that
that
we'll
try
to
tap
resources
that
won't
cost
the
city,
any
money
and
and
so
there'll
be
more
information
and
more
details
to
follow
up
with
that
I'll
look
to
have
a
conversation,
you
know
with
you
next
week
about
maybe
what
some
next
steps
are
and
so
again
this
is
kind
of
a
high
level
summary
and
a
framework
and
and
and
maybe
not
so
much
a
a
a
complete
next
step
for
our
process
going
forward,
but
a
conceptual
framework
and
some
of
the
information
that
we're
going
to
use
that
we
already
have
in
our
possession
that
I
think,
are
still
relatively
current
and
valid.
B
Thank
you
actually
and
there
I'm
sure
some
place
might
even
be
in
my
office.
We
had
the
the
hard
copies
that
were
supposed
to
be
distributed
tonight,
but
we'll
make
sure
that
they're
in
the
council
package.
Yes
summarizing
the
citizen
summit
of
the
past
and
the
framework,
the
icma
article
that
you
had
and
just
in
terms
of
how
you
identify
priorities
and
there's
a
remarkable
amount
of
consistency.
Actually
in
that
the
citizen
summit
between
many
of
the
different
work
groups.
B
Yes,
sir,
I
think
it's
it's
at
the
very
least,
an
important
start
and,
as
I
believe,
city
manager,
david
hales
and
I
are
gonna,
be
meeting
with
bernie
saraki.
I
believe
his
name
is
from
illinois
technology
institute
who
they're
looking
for
non-chicago
cities,
metro
cities,
so
50
000
and
above
there
aren't
that
many
of
us
and
they're
looking
to
help
six
to
nine
month
projects
a
variety
of
things
they
tap
into
engineering
school
and
they
do
this
for
free.
K
B
J
J
B
Have
just
mentioned
illinois
illinois
technology
institute
that
basically
they're
offering
to
work
with
municipalities
in
the
50
to
whatever
aurora
is
150
range,
those
of
us,
the
non-chicago
metros,
on
a
variety
of
different
kinds
of
policy
problems.
One
of
them
we
suggested
was
budgets
and
budgetary
priorities
that
doesn't
mean
that
they
won't
work
with
us
on
other
things,
but
that
that
they've
offered
to
do
that.
B
I
think
what
alderman
sage
is
talking
about
is
the
framework
that
he
presented
to
us
in
the
past,
and
I
think,
if
we
had
the
hard
copy
of
that,
it
would
probably
and.
J
K
Quick
comments:
we
could
all
benefit
from
some
additional
organization
this
time
around,
so
I
think
we're
all
looking
forward
to
that.
A
couple,
quick
things
that
come
to
my
mind
as
I
think
we
have
some
unfinished
business
with
regard
to
the
scorecards
we
were
working
on
in
the
last
month
with
regard
to
potential
service
or
expense
reductions.
K
I
think
there's
some
real
potential
on
there,
where
we
had
some
close
5-4
opinions.
I
think
that
has
some
value
and
then
I
do
share
the
opinion
with
the
citizen
summit
being
dated
and
things
have
changed
with
regard
to
pensions,
condition
of
our
roads,
a
sentiment
of
being
careful
for
new
taxes
which
we've
just
created
some
revenue
sources.
K
So,
thank
you
and
I
agree
jim
and
I
mean
I
think
you're
spot
on,
and
I
think
that's
part
of
the
framework
that
we'll
have
coming
out
of
this
conversation
is:
is
that
it
and
I'm,
and
I'm
hopeful
to
be
able
to
leverage
the
skill
of
our
new
communications
manager
as
well
to
help
with
some
of
those
very
efforts
that
you
just
mentioned
spot
on
with
your
comment.
B
And
I
think
just
to
clarify
again
with
what
almond
sage
has
suggested
when
we
chatted
last
week
and
looked
at
some
of
those
documents,
it
was
certainly
not
that
oh
well,
we
did.
We
did
it
in
2011
right.
We
don't
need
to
do
it
again.
It's
just
that.
That
could
be
a
baseline.
You
know.
Where
are
we
now
in
2014,
and
I
think
there
may
be
some
changes,
but
I
think
there'll
be
some
remarkable
consistencies.
B
B
R
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
I
appreciate
it
so
I
re-forwarded
that
email
that
that
dave
sent
to
the
whole
council
just
now,
so
you
it's
all
in
in
the
soft
copy
for
everybody,
and
I
just
took
a
moment
as
as
was
going
through
this
discussion.
Looking,
I
was
part
of
the
citizen
summit
in
2009.
I
was
still
in
college
at
the
time
and
I
remember
david
had
just
started
and
yeah
it
was
telling
for
me.
Is.
R
I
remember
that
citizen
summit
very,
I
remember
very
well
because
a
lot
of
the
themes
that
we
hear
here
are
very
similar
to
the
ones
we
talked
about
in
2009
and
I
think
that
another
one
would
be
a
smart
move,
but
in
the
budget
discussion
there's
a
couple
things
here.
R
It
might
be
helpful
for
two
reasons,
because
I
think
that
we
one
of
the
the
overall
takeaways
I
had
from
the
budget
cycle
was
the
education
is
a
two-way
street
on
this
right.
So
I
think
we
need
to
do
a
better
job
of
educating
the
public
on
some
of
the
trade-offs.
Some
of
the
choices
that
we
have,
some
of
the
you
want
to
see
cuts.
What
does
that
look
like
you
want
to
see
service
enhancements?
What
does
that
look
like
and
then
us
listening
more
to
them?
R
B
Okay,
well,
thank
you
very
much.
I
think
what
we
can
do
related
to
that.
If
I'm
not
mistaken,
we
move
to
well.
No,
actually,
we
do
city
manager's
discussion
and
then
mayor's
discussion.
We
do
have
something
related
to
that
that
david
and
I
have
talked
about
that
we'll
be
announcing
in
a
minute
david.
Your
update.
G
One
thing
I
just
wanted
to
say
is:
I
appreciate
the
council's
patience,
consideration,
understanding
I
was
out
in
utah
for
two
weeks
during
the
the
last
two
budget.
Discussions
of
the
council
took
some
funeral
leave,
but
really
appreciate
your
understanding.
During
my
absence.
I
do
want
to
apprec
acknowledge
my
appreciation
to
mike
kimmerlin,
the
interim
city
manager,
for
all
he
did
together
with
all
the
directors
patti
lyn
silva,
carla,
morello,
paulette
and
many
others.
So
it's
a
great
team.
G
Everyone
stood
up
and
assisted
so
appreciate
you,
your
consideration
for
my
absence
during
that
death
and
in
our
family
so,
but
appreciate
that
been
back
here
and
look
forward
to
continue
to
to.
You
know,
move
on
with
the
priorities
we're
working
on
some
things,
so
I
think
other
than
that.
I,
unless
you
want
me
to
kind
of
mention
again
it
this
is
still
a
concept,
but
I
I
did
have
some
chance
to
talk
to
the
staff
members
today.
G
What
I
have
indicated
to
them
that
this
fall
we're
going
to
try
a
pilot
project,
that's
going
to
be
called
the
citizens
or
the
bloomington
citizens.
Academy
citizens
academy
have
been
used
in
many
many
cities
throughout
the
nation
for
decades,
basically
they're
kind
of
a
a
training
and
learning
opportunity
for
citizens.
Typically,
they
run
for
six
to
nine
months.
G
Meetings
might
be
held,
you
know
one
night
a
month,
you
know,
and
the
purpose
is
to
help
a
selected
group
of
citizens.
People
would
apply
then
they'd
be
selected,
maybe
be
a
a
class
of
20
to
30
people,
but
basically,
during
those
six
to
nine
months,
these
20
to
30
people
would
become
much
more
educated
on
informed
on
and
have
some
great
interaction
with
many
of
the
senior
managers,
as
well
as
rank
and
file
employees.
To
learn
about
all
the
many
services
the
city
provides
as
an
example.
G
There
would
be
one
night,
maybe
for
two
two
and
a
half
hours
where
it'd
be
nothing
but
the
fire
department,
fire
suppression,
ems,
fire
investigation,
fire
prevention,
etc,
etc,
so
that
the
fire
chief
and
anyone
he
might
bring
on
would
help
these
individuals,
for
that
particular
segment
really
become
much
more
informed
of
that
very
you
know
important
service
being
provided
the
next
month.
It
could
be
the
police
chief
next
month.
G
G
We
are
trying
to
going
to
try
and
do
this
to
and
minimize
staff
time
staff
commitment,
but
many
of
the
presentations
which
you've
seen
from
our
department,
heads
and
other
staff
members
really
could
serve
as
the
framework
for
much
of
that
written
material
and
other
things
to
be
presented
to
those
individuals
in
those
classes.
G
I
think
one
of
the
great
value
that
other
communities
have
seen
in
citizens
academies
is
for
people
to
be
informed
and
I
think,
as
that
was
brought
out,
they're
being
educated.
They
really
rather
than
trying
to
ask
for
an
opinion.
You
know
on
a
particular
service.
They
would
first
off
become
much
more
informed
of
these
services,
how
costly
they
are.
What
are
the
federal
and
state
mandates
you
know
on
and
on
what
performance
metrics
do
we
use?
G
How
do
we
determine
how
we
how
our
customers
feel
about
the
services
being
provided
and
each
year
you
continue
to
graduate
you
know
more
and
more
people,
then
they
can
in
turn
as
they
talk
to
their
neighbors.
They
talk
to
others
and
service
groups,
and
that
can
very
much
have
a
very
informed
conversation
and
share
those
experiences.
They've
heard
they've
had
when
they've
learned
about
their
city
of
bloomington
the
services,
our
vision
for
the
future.
How
are
we
trying
to
improve
upon?
G
G
Nora
dukowitz
is
going
to
be
assisting
me
is
but
again
ultimately
we'll
come
out
with
further
information
on
for
those
who
would
like
to
apply
to
be
considered
for
this
first
pilot
program
class.
How
we'd
go
about
that
and
then
we
would
see
that
class
starting
sometime
in
the
fall.
So
look
for
more
information
on
that.
I
think
this
city
of
its
size,
its
complexity,
many
of
the
challenges
opportunities
we
have
going
forward.
G
B
B
Later
well,
I
want
to
thank
you,
you
know
david
and
I
have
kind
of
talked
about
this
in
pieces
and
then
it's
kind
of
last
week
where
we
we.
Finally,
I
said:
well,
okay,
you
think
we
could
really
possibly
do
this
this
coming
year,
and
so
we
did
announce
that
I
announced
it
at
our
open
house
this
past
friday
and
got
a
little
bit
of
citizen
feedback
on
it
and
just
to
make
it
clear.
It's
also
we'll
learn
something
too.
B
The
more
the
better
engaged
citizens
are,
the
more
we'll
learn
and
also
they'll,
be
better
prepared
to
run
for
city
council
to
be
involved
in
boards
and
commissions
or
just
be
informed
citizens.
So
I
mean
it's
a
multiple,
multiple
reasons
for
why
this
is
the
case,
and
I
do
my
my
knowledge
of
this
is
was
really
stale
from
from
the
icma.
This
is
the
late
80s.
They
were
really
kind
of
an
infancy
phase,
and
I
hadn't
heard
much
about
it
since,
but
I'm
glad
that
david's
been
very
supportive
of
this.
B
B
You
know
progress
on
that
and
again
keeping
in
mind
we're
we
may
go
to
the
aldermen.
I
think
that
might
be
a
kind
of
a
men
and
women,
the
a
search
committee.
If
you
will
okay,
we've
got,
we
got
50
people
for
25
slots.
You
know.
Maybe
having
people
ask
us,
have
a
personal
statement.
We
haven't
worked
out
all
the
kinks
in
this,
but
clearly
we
want
to
be
able
to
do
that.
It's
modeled
after,
in
a
sense,
the
multicultural
leadership
program
or
mclean
count
leadership,
mclean
county.
B
We
might
at
some
point
have
specific
projects,
perhaps
even
for
people
to
work
on
or
something
related
to
each
so
that
they're
not
just
a
a
passive
recipient
of
of
the
information
that
we
might
give
them.
So
again,
this
is
all
kind
of
a
a
work
in
progress
and
I'll
just
go
right
into
there.
Speaking
of
the
open
house,
I
want
to
thank
alderman
scott
black
for
managing
part
of
the
open
house
on
friday.
So
that
I
could
go
to
a
ribbon
cutting
in
which
was
the
old
morris
tick
plant.
B
B
So
I
would
highly
recommend
that,
but
in
order
for
me
to
go
that
at
four
o'clock,
alderman
black
handled
the
open
house-
and
we
do
have
one
announcement
not
unrelated
to
the
citizens
academy-
and
that
was
a
suggestion
by
alton
franklin-
that
at
our
open
houses
we
maybe
have
a
department
head,
come
in
to
talk
with
citizens
and
answer
questions,
and
I
have
to
say
thank
you,
john
kennedy
for
stepping
up
to
the
plate.
We
will
have
john
kennedy
on
june
6th
at
our
open
house.
B
I
am
going
to
run
this
by
the
next
couple:
open
houses.
There
was
a
suggestion
that
we
maybe
re,
alter
recalibrate
the
time
it's
four
to
five.
Thirty.
Some
have
suggested
that
they
have
to
take
off
work
early
to
get
there
at
four,
and
I
said
something
like
well.
You
know
we
can
continue
our
discussion.
You
know
you
can
maybe
pick
up,
you
don't
have
to
take
off
work
and-
and
they
appropriately
pointed
out
well,
there's
a
lot
of
stuff.
You
talk
about
up
front
and
we
want
to
hear
it.
B
So
what
I'm
thinking
of
doing
and
and
again
I
want
to
float
this
by
the
aldermen
and
women
and
the
citizens
who
come
to
the
next
open
house
of
maybe
changing
it
to
from
4
30
to
5
45.
B
So
I
I
kind
of
want
to
to
calibrate
this,
so
we
can
have
maximum
participation
and
not
have
to
have
people
mike
gorman
who's
in
the
audience
here
have
to
take
off
a
little
early
in
order
to
come
to
our
open
house.
So
I'm
not
going
to
do
that
yet,
but
think
about
it.
If
you
got
strong
feelings
or
other
suggestions,
then
I'd
appreciate
it.
There
were
some
other
suggestions
that
maybe
we
have
it
immediately
before
the
council
meeting.
The
problem
with
that
is.
B
We
have
a
lot
of
other
different
meetings
before
the
council
meeting.
I'm
I'm
certainly
open
to
whatever,
but
I've
certainly
been
impressed
with
the
people.
Who've
come
many
people
with
very,
very
different
opinions
and
they've
shared
them
and
they've
been,
I
think,
extremely
productive,
and
it's
always
something
that
I
can
invite
people
to,
and
they
don't
have
to
make
an
appointment.
They
can
just
show
up
so
again.
Thank
you,
though,
alderman
black,
for
that
and
thank
you,
mr
kennedy,
for
willing
your
willingness
to
do
that.
B
We
just
a
quick
update
mayor
coos
and
I
and
the
mayors
of
champaign,
urbana
and
decatur
did
go
and
meet
with
the
governor
last
wednesday
to
express
our
severe
displeasure
with
the
illinois
epa,
considering
having
pcbs
in
a
clinton
landfill
immediately
above
the
muhammad
aquifer,
and
he
basically
got
a
new
referral
from
all
of
us.
B
His
staff
did
iepa
did,
but,
of
course,
we
walked
away
with
primarily
a
promise
to
look
into
this
and
form
an
investigative
inquiry
and
they'll
get
back
to
us,
but
we,
I
I'm
pretty
sure,
given
the
the
loud
voice
we
spoke
and
mine
was
particularly
loud
that
hopefully
we'll
get
some
kind
of
answer
from
them
shortly.
That's
just
as
an
update.
Also
as
since
we
last
met,
we
have
our
application
for
the
route.
66
visitors
center
did
go
out
on
time.
Well,
the
latest
date
that
it
possibly
could
on
may
1st.
B
We
are
still
hoping
for
that
quarter
of
a
million
dollars
to
bridge
our
funding
gap.
That's
one
thing
I
did.
I
didn't
want
to
push
too
many
things
on
the
governor's
staff.
We
we
hear
good
signs,
they're,
not
saying
we're
getting
it,
but
it
sounds
like
you
know.
B
Things
are
at
least
looking
very
positive,
but
again
obviously
it's
springfield,
so
we
can
hardly
expect
logic
just
also
we
had
the
constitution
trail
25th
anniversary
and
thank
you,
john
kennedy
for
providing
me
with
great
talking
points,
and
I
did
want
to
take
issue
jim
carter.
You
know,
I
thought
he
said
we
couldn't
control
the
weather
well,
chris
goose
and
I
tried
to
take
credit
for
for
the
weather
last
saturday
yeah.
We
we
thought
that
that
was
the
case.
We
can't
deliver
on
much,
but
one
of
those
things
we
were.
B
K
Yeah
two
areas:
the
citizens
academy,
really
liked
the
idea-
and
I
think
there
are
seven
thousand
people
of
india
descent
who
in
their
not
the
last
meeting
but
the
one
before
said.
One
of
the
primary
goals
of
that
association
is
to
get
more
people
from
india
involved
in
the
community
to
take
leadership
roles.
So
I
I
think
you
might
want
to
contact
those
folks.
They
would
probably
like
to
have
somebody
involved.
K
Good,
the
mclp
and
the
chamber
leadership
both
good
organizations
that
probably
are
gonna
not
mirror
but
sort
of
be
in
coordination
with
these,
and
as
a
past,
chair
of
leadership,
mclean
county
and
a
current
chair
of
the
multicultural
leadership
I'd
be
happy
to
help
coordinate
any
efforts
there.
This
coming
week,
we're
going
to
be
interviewing
people
for
multicultural
leadership.
So
if
you
get
50,
applicants
you're
going
to
need
to
do
some
sort
of
interviewing
process
and
we
are
in
our
fifth
year
of
interviewing
and
every
year
we
made
it
better.
K
Of
of
the
city
of
bloomington
on
the
serbian
board,
I
will
volunteer
that
serbian
would
like
to
make
a
presentation
to
this
group
to
explain
how
important
serbian
is
to
bringing
in
businesses
and
people
to
our
community
so
put
them
down
as
a
presenter
or
potential
presenter.
K
That's
one!
The
second
thing:
teamwork.
We
had
passed
ward,
8,
alderman,
john
hanson,
and
current
department
head
jim
karch
and
myself
had
a
breakfast
on
saturday
morning.
Everybody
rearranged
schedules.
John
called
me
to
give
me
an
update
and
say
rob.
There
are
a
lot
of
very
unhappy
people
in
brook
ridge
2.
K
So
those
kind
of
meetings
are
really
good
for
us
to
be
involved
in,
and
it's
great
that
we
have
department
heads
who,
just
at
the
drop
of
a
hat,
show
up
at
meetings
like
that
with
a
lot
of
good
information,
so
appreciate
what
you
did.
I
know
the
group
did
I've
gotten
two
emails
since
then
expressing
appreciation
for
how
much
effort
went
into
what
we
did
and
what
we're
doing
to
correct
it.
So
thank
you.
Thanks.
R
Thank
you,
mr
mayor,
just
a
couple
quick
comments
here.
I
wanted
to
point
out
that
I
was
on
facebook,
though
this
weekend
and
I
liked
the
bloomington
police
department,
facebook
page.
I
also
shared
it
on
my
facebook
page.
I
think
it's
a
great
tool
to
help
continue
to
engage
citizens
and
what
law
enforcement's
up
to
and
keep
the
public
informed
as
to
what's
going
on,
as
we
start
to
do
the
work
with
the
communication
manager
moving
forward.
R
I
think
this
is
a
a
tool
that
we
can
use
to
help
educate
the
public
help
hear
from
the
public,
and
I
think
that
the
expectation
moving
forward
is
that
it's
more
of
a
two-way
communication
street.
I
think
social
media
is
one
way
to
do
that
along
the
same
vein,
some
of
you
may
have
seen
it.
I
posted
to
my
facebook
staff
was
very
helpful
in
having
having
us
host
the
pepper
ridge,
fifth
graders
through
the
promise
council.
R
They
came
to
the
city,
council
chambers
and
they
sat
in
our
chairs
up
here
and
we
had
a
couple
of
them
play
mayor
and
aldermen.
While
we
passed
some
ordinances,
just
a
fun
fact
for
you,
if
you're
gonna
be
spitting
any
gum
near
pepper
ridge,
the
students
will
be
very
displeased
and
you'll
be
charged
five
dollars.
R
That
was
a
lot
of
fun
and
it
was.
It
was
a
good
learning
opportunity
for
them.
Yes,
we
had
a
lot
of
fun
and
they
I
hope
they
learned
something
about
how
you
know.
City
government
can
work
and
I
think
they
all
left
with
a
better
understanding
and
they
seem
to
have
an
enjoyable
time
and
we
gave
them
free,
backpacks
and
pencils,
and
they
were
pumped
about
the
pencils.
R
So
I
I
I
thank
staff
for
that
contribution
to
that
that
event-
and
finally,
I
had
alluded
to
it
a
couple
months
back
and
I
think
it
bears
repeating
at
this
point
now
that
the
weather
is
getting
a
little
bit
nicer.
I
was
over
in
the
uptown
station
over
the
last
weekend
and
they
had
a
picture
of
their
city
council
together
displayed
in
the
the
exits.
R
I
think
it'd
be
worthwhile
for
us
to
plan
for
a
city
council
picture
out
by
the
fountain
as
the
as
weather
permits
and
if
we
can
put
you
know
a
10-minute
meeting
prior
to
a
council
meeting
of
us
doing
that,
I
think
that's
a
top
priority.
I
think
it
looks
good
for
the
community
that
we're
all
together
standing
together
as
one
one
organization,
one
team
for
bloomington.
B
B
Okay,
we
won't
go
down
that
path,
but
in
this
case
yes
alderman
stearns
and
then
milo
wamboy
and
painter.
J
On
the
citizen
classes,
yeah
I've
heard
of
that
sort
of
thing,
and
it
does
sound
like
an
interesting
concept.
I
do
hope
that
council
will
be
engaged
about
the
process
about
the
the
the
way
it
will
be
set
up
about
the
attendees
and
about
the
applicants.
I
really
do
hope
that
that
will
happen,
because
I
think
that
you
know
we
could
certainly
get
some
input
about
citizens
in
our
wards
and
such
and
is
there
a
chance
for
that
david
before
this?
Is.
J
And
I
wanted
to
announce
tonight
it's
something
I've
been
talking
about
for
about
two
years
now
and
that
would
be
the
korea
vietnam
memorial
at
miller
park,
which
I
want
to
thank
john
kennedy,
david
hales
and
all
of
the
staff
that
have
has
worked
together
with
with
me,
and
now
we
have
kevin
lower
and
karen
schmidt
on
the
committee
to
recognize
the
fact
that
the
city
has
completed
restoration
of
the
memorial,
which
was
a
citizen
effort.
J
It
was
a
actually
a
volunteer
effort
and
a
wonderful
volunteer,
incredible,
volunteer
effort
to
recognize
from
several
counties,
including
mclean,
of
course,
the
vietnam
and
korean
veterans,
who
made
the
ultimate
sacrifice.
So
to
me
it's
a
very
kind
of
a
sacred
spot,
and
yet
the
names
were
fading
badly
and
in
fact
some
of
them
were
illegible.
I
did
it.
I
did
do
a
facebook
post
with
some
of
the
pre
pictures
and
so,
if
you're
curious
to
see
how
they
looked
so
we
did
some
research
and
john
kennedy
engaged
pontiac
granite.
J
I
wasn't
sure
I
don't
think
john
was
sure,
but
once
we
looked
at
some
examples
once
we
saw
how
well
and
how
legible
these
names
would
be,
we
decided
that
that
would
be
a
proper
path
to
go
down,
so
the
names
are
highlighted,
they
are
clearly
visible
and
then
the
flame
that
had
been
installed
in
the
original
monument
had
was
missing.
So
I
began
to
notice
this
on
my
various
jaunts
through
miller
park
and
thought
you
know
what
a
shame.
J
I
thought
it
would
have
been,
perhaps
an
immortal
flame,
but
it
was
actually
a
bronze
flame
replica,
so
the
flame
has
been
constructed
by
pontiac
granite
and
will
be
restored.
And,
finally,
on
memorial
day
we
will
have
a
very
short
low-key
recognition
ceremony,
because
it
is
not
you
know,
it's
not
really.
A
dedication
as
such,
nothing
has
changed.
J
All
it
is
is
a
restoration
to
what
it
was
intended
and
what
it
was
in
1988
and
what
it
will
be
again,
so
that
will
happen
at
miller
park
this
the
the
recognition
of
this
after
the
bandstand
program
that
is
always
done
by
the
various
veterans
groups
every
year.
It's
the
parade,
the
ceremony
at
the
bandstand,
and
then
they
are
going
to
announce
that
there
will
be
this
short
recognition
of
these
efforts
to
restore
the
memorial.
J
So
anyone
obviously
is
everyone,
obviously
is
welcome
kevin
and
karen
schmidt,
and
I
will
be
sort
of
you
know,
helping
orchestrate
this
event
and
we're
meeting
in
advance
about
it.
Any
ideas
or
thoughts
or
suggestions
or
questions
can
be
directed
to
me
and
that
that's
about
it.
J
I
appreciate
all
of
the
efforts
and
again
I'll
be
announcing
it
to
the
various
organizations
again
that
need
to
be
reminded-
and
I
think
we'll
have
a
wonderful
turnout,
terry
edmonds,
by
the
way,
a
vietnam
vet
himself
and
someone
who
was
intimately
involved
with
the
original
memorial
has
been
a
huge
part
of
this
and
he'll,
be
there
as
well.
Thank
you.
Okay,.
C
Thank
you
just
wanted
to
comment
on
the
citizens
academy.
I
you
know,
as
you
know,
david,
I
was
kind
of
a
big
fan
of
that,
and
I
thank
you
for
putting
that
together.
C
C
We
have
77
000
individuals
in
in
the
community,
so
I
I
don't
know
what
we
can
do
to
make
it,
maybe
to
add
more
numbers
to
that,
but
also
the
length
of
time.
You
know
nine
months
seems
to
be
a
long
period
of
time
over
which
we
might
lose
some
people
or
lose
some
interest.
C
I
did
something
similar
with
tanonormal,
but
it
was
over
eight
weeks
and
and
that
actually
jeff
freund
was
responsible
for
the
oversight
of
the
program
and
it
was
over
eight
weeks
once
a
week,
so
eight
wednesdays
over
the
course
of
two
months,
and-
and
I
thought
you
know
it-
provided
better
turnover
of
citizens.
You
know
who
would
be
better
informed
about
our
services,
so
so
just
those
are
just
a
couple
suggestions
that
I
have
and
the
other
thing
I
wanted
to
say
mayor.
I
I
appreciate
the.
C
I
guess
the
effort
to
provide
more
structure
into
our
budget
discussions.
You
know
with
priority-based
budgeting
and
and
things
like
that-
thank
all
them
sage.
For
that.
B
C
Thank
him
too,
thank
him
too,
because
I
I
think
you
know
in
in
looking
at
how
the
the
process
went
over
the
you
know
the
past
month
or
so.
When
we
discussed
the
budget,
I
I
think
at
times
it
seemed
like
we
we
got
a
little
bit
scattered
or
I
should
say
maybe
distracted,
and
I
don't
mean
that
in
a
in
a
bad
way,
but
I
I
think
when
we,
when
people
get
passionate
about,
you,
know
the
the
issues.
Sometimes
we
we
have
a
tendency
to
forget.
C
What's
the
really
the
the
big
thing
on
the
horizon
that
we're
we're
going
for
so
what
I
I
try
to
do,
especially
looking
at
the
next
budget
cycle,
is
to
go
back
to
our
strategic
plan
and
look
at
what's
really
important
to
us
and
what
what
do
we
want
to
preserve?
What
do
the
citizens
want
to
preserve?
E
C
Putting
together
this
process
will
be
very
helpful
in
in
the
future,
as
we
have
I'm
sure
you
know
it's
it's
okay
to
for
the
discussions
to
be
contentious,
but
you
know,
but
yet
I
think
it's
gonna
be
very
important
that
we
pick.
We
keep
our
eyes
on
the
prize.
B
Okay,
alderman
painter
and
lauer
and
fruit
in
that
order.
M
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
I
think
the
idea
of
a
citizens
academy
is
really
exciting
and
thank
you
for
suggesting
it.
I
also
think
alderman
milawambe
did
have
some
good
points
but,
as
as
was
said
earlier,
I
think
it'll
be
a
win-win
for
everybody
and
if
there's
any
way
that
we
could
assist
you
with
this,
just
let
me
know.
M
S
Okay,
real
quickly,
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
we're
actually
starting
to
have
a
civilized
discussion
on
the
budget,
and
I
hope
that
we
can
get
into
specifics
much
more
early
than
we
did
and
I'm
sure
we
will
and-
and
thank
you
david
again
for
bringing
that
up.
I
think
that's
a
good
place
to
start
with
the
citizens
academy,
I'm
all
for
that.
S
I
actually
am
a
recipient
of
something
much
like
that
many
many
years
ago,
probably
over
40
and
as
was
my
predecessor,
bernie
anderson,
I
believe-
and
probably
our
current
county
board
chairman
as
well
in
the
boy
scouts
and
some
folks
like
the
town
of
hayward's
current
mayor
40
years
ago,
that
volunteer
fire
department,
as
well
as
the
local
police
chief
spent
many
many
hours
with
me
and-
and
I
think
it's
important
to
probably
include
that
demographic
as
well
either
eagle
scouts
or
eagle
scouts
to
be
it
would
be
a
great
project
to
include
them
as
well.
S
K
Mayor,
I
was
not
going
to
comment
on
it,
but
everybody
else
seems
to
be
chiming
in
on
the
academy,
so
I'll
add
my
two
cents
and
experiences,
and
that
is,
I
am
assuming
that
we
have
or
will
be
talking
to
the
town
of
normal,
because
they
have
had
a
very
successful
citizen
academy
for
many
years,
and
I
can't
remember
when
I
went
through
it,
but
I
went
through
it
myself.
It
might
have
been
when
I
was
on
sabbatical
from
the
city
council
here
about
10
years
ago,
but
they've
been
successful
at
it.
K
Late
work,
that's
been
done
so
I'll
defer
to
another
discussion,
but
that's
one
more
of
those
ingredients-
and
I
know
we've
all
worked
hard
on
getting
the
public
more
engaged,
so
see
another
good
step.
Thank
you.
B
Yeah
actually
I'll
be
talking
with
chris
by
the
end
of
the
week
about
it
as
well
great
idea,
thanks
and
mr
hales
did
you
have
a
last
word
there
or
is
your
light
just
on
okay?
Do.