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A
C
A
And
I'm
here,
thank
you.
We
do
not
have
any
recognitions
or
appointments,
and
so
the
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
a
public
comment.
Madam
clear,
do
we
have
anybody
for
public
comment.
C
We
do,
we
have
10
individuals
registered
for
public
comment.
We
can
start
with
thomas
larry.
A
Okay,
before
you
start,
let
me
read
my
statement.
Public
comment
is
an
opportunity
for
speakers
to
provide
their
views
and
feedback
to
the
city
council.
It
is
also
an
opportunity
for
the
city
council
to
listen
and
hear
diverse
points
of
view
to
maximize
the
impact
of
public
comment
and
show
respect
for
the
expression
of
all
views.
A
A
C
D
Good
evening
and
thank
you
for
this
opportunity
to
add
comment
to
the
meeting
I've
been
coming
to
these
council
meetings
since
july.
The
12th
I
recognize
some
of
your
faces,
so
allow
me
to
ask
this
simple,
rhetorical
question:
by
a
show
of
hands
in
the
past
24
hours
have
any
of
you
run,
the
dishwasher
ran
a
load
of
laundry,
took
a
bath
or
shower
or
flushed
a
toilet.
You
just
please
hold
that
thought
for
a
second.
D
A
lot
of
talk
has
transpired
in
a
lot
of
technical
engineering
and
legal
language
in
the
past
several
weeks,
and
it
pretty
much
is
all
dancing
around
the
fact
that
the
city
has
a
sewage
system
that
includes
82
miles
of
combined
sewers
in
which
rainfall
deluges
are
combined
with
poop
a
couple
of
weeks
ago,
scott
miller
live
on
wjbc
brought
this
up
to
city
manager,
tim
gleason
and
live
in
public.
He
dodged
the
question
and
refused
to
discuss
why
citizens
are
getting
poop
in
their
homes
because
of
these
combined
sewers.
D
So
far,
almost
every
pathway
to
granting
any
insurance
claim
from
our
private
carriers
or
from
the
city
of
bloomington
illinois
has
been
declined
because
they
are
all
hanging
their
decisions
on
the
catch
phrase
coined
by
tim,
gleason,
active
god
100
year
rainstorm,
but
no
mention
of
the
p
word
some
call
this
meeting
the
storm
agenda.
This
discussion
needs
to
move
forward.
D
To
answering
the
question
about
the
p
word
that
tim
gleason
hasn't
addressed.
We
need
to
ask
council
another
question,
even
though
none
of
you
were
here
in
2014
in
your
current
role
representing
today's
citizens,
isn't
it
okay
for
you
to
vote
now
in
2021
to
at
least
reimburse
citizens
today
for
failures
by
your
predecessors
to
keep
the
p
word
from
backing
up
into
people's
homes,
along
with
the
p
word
residents
of
eastgate
experienced
another
high
dollar
word
anxiety.
D
C
E
Good
evening
my
name
is
coretta
jackson.
I
am
a
president
of
ward
7.,
so
I
am
not
in
the
eastgate
neighborhood.
I
am
in
the
section
of
bloomington
that
got
hit
the
hardest.
I'm
not
going
to
tell
you
a
story.
What
I'm
going
to
do
is
give
you
a
few
numbers
which
most
of
you
on
council
may
know
these
figures,
but
the
public
does
not.
E
So
I'm
going
to
run
these
numbers
off
to
you
because
numbers
stick
in
people's
heads,
and
I
want
this
to
be
something
that
you
all
go
home
and
think
about
seriously.
The
first
number
is
19..
That's
the
number
of
years
I've
been
a
resident
in
bloomington.
That's
also
the
number
of
years
that
I
have
noticed
that
classism
reigns
supreme
in
bloomington,
particularly
in
the
public
works
department.
I
do
personally
know
individuals
that
have
worked
for
the
department
and
currently
do,
and
the
running
theme
is:
oh,
you
guys
live
on
the
west
side.
E
E
E
E
That
is
the
number
of
days
that
we
have
feces
soaked
trash
stacked,
four
plus
feet
high
on
our
streets,
not
on
the
curb
that's
where
it
started.
It
wound
up
in
the
streets.
My
neighbors
and
I
were
dodging
trash
just
to
get
to
work
in
the
morning
now
the
numbers
that
I'm
about
to
give
you
are
bigger
ones
and
I'm
sure
you
guys
know
about
the
first
one
is
three
million
one
hundred
sixty
thousand
three
hundred
ninety
four
dollars.
You
guys
know
what
that
is.
E
That
is
the
number
of
dollars
that
the
city
of
bloomington
received
from
the
cares
act.
I
think
that
amount
probably
offset
the
loss
of
tax
revenue
from
businesses
being
closed
or
recovered.
E
26.5
million
dollars
in
the
reserve
fund,
3.1
of
those
you
all
are
voting
on
to
spend
tonight
which
will
save
the
city
what
200
000
in
finance
charges,
the
biggest
number
of
all
is
zero.
That
is
the
number
of
responses
we
received
from
our
mayor
on
west
monroe.
The
number
of
visits
we
received
from
him
to
assess
the
situation.
E
A
Thank
you
coretta
next.
G
G
It's
a
nice
street,
nice
neighborhood,
it's
mixed
most
people
on
that
street
are
homeowners.
They
take
care
of
their
stuff.
I'm
used
to
being
treated
in
a
second-class
manner
in
that
snow
removal
used
to
be
the
last
to
get
our
snow
removed.
That
has
gotten
much
better
when
we
got
the
trash
on
the
24th
and
the
25th
the
flooding
and
go
back
to
to
say
that
we
never
got
flooding
before
we
got
flooded
friday
night.
We
got
flooded
saturday
night
and
I
know
we've
had
500
year
reigns
quote
unquote.
G
G
G
I
have
to
check
my
furnace.
Someone
just
reminded
me
of
that,
and
one
more
thing
is
this
gentleman
said
we
never
had
this
problem
before
now.
I
got
hit
twice
my
whole
basement
family
room
bedroom.
All
of
that's
just
completely
destroyed
carpeting.
I
had
people
come
over
and
help
me
get
stuff
up
off
the
floor,
but
a
lot
of
things
got
destroyed.
No
one
has
been
there
to
check
out
anything.
G
G
H
H
H
I
J
J
J
J
I
believe
I
heard
the
city
finance
person
that
spoke
a
few
weeks
ago
suggested
a
financial
planner
be
hired
to
find
the
best
way
to
use
the
14
plus
million
dollars.
The
city
was
given
through
the
covid
relief
fund,
the
cities
of
bloomington,
the
citizens
of
bloomington
have
elected
you,
the
council,
to
make
this
decision.
J
J
Know:
okay,
that's
fine
I'll
do
it!
Then
we
have
two
petitions.
Well
one
petition
here:
two
separate
people
circulated
them
in
our
neighborhood
that
I
would
like
to
present
to
my
alderman
mr
crabill,
asking
him
to
consider
our
issues
and
why
we
want
to
have
the
sewer
separated.
Is
that
may.
A
K
Hello,
I
live
in
the
eastgate
subdivision.
I
live
in
this
house
up
in
the
northeast
corner
and
when
you
look
at
this,
you
can
see
all
these
green
pipes
and
I
have
questions
for
the
city
engineer,
but
I
can't
ask
them
so
some
of
you,
I
hope,
will
ask
him
one.
I
did
not
get
water
this
time.
I've
had
water
before
I
could
go
into
why
I
didn't
get
water
this
time,
but
it'd
be
too
long
and
I
have
other
things.
K
I
have
to
talk
about
questions
people
look
at
these
green
lines
and
they
think
okay,
I'm
safe,
but
these
green
lines
connect
the
purple
lines,
and
if
these
green
lines
connect
to
purple
lines,
then
you
can
get
that
purple
stuff
in
your
green
line.
Unless
the
city's
got
checked
valves
between
the
green
lines
and
the
purple
lines
at
least
that'll
tell
mine
my
mind,
works
and
I'd
like
the
city
engineer,
to
address
that
so
potentially
it
seems
that
everybody
could
get
sewage
backed
up
and
another
point.
K
If
you
had
water
come
into
your
house
through
a
drain,
it
was
not
clean
water
that
came
off
your
roof.
It
was
there's
only
one
way
that
sewage
can
get
into
your
house
from
somewhere
else.
It's
through
the
line
that
you
own
on
your
property
that
connects
to
the
city
line
and
if
your
line
breaks
the
city's
not
going
to
pay
for
it
if
their
line
breaks,
they
might
not
do
anything
about
it
right,
and
so
this
is
a
problem
for
homeowners.
K
Another
thing
I
want
to
show
you
on
this
map
in
this
horseshoe
right
here
is
a
purple
line,
and
many
of
my
neighbors
got
water
there
and
if
you
look
at
it
the
lines
all
go
to
the
back
the
backyards.
K
K
If
you
do
that,
the
engineer,
if
the
engineer
recommends
that
who's
going
to
pay
the
homeowners
to
put
in
a
new
fresh
water
line
from
that
street
and
a
new
sewer
line
that
taps
into
the
street
when
their
existing
lines
are
in
the
back,
if
you
do
the
right
thing
and
provide
these
people
with
relief,
you're
going
to
need
to
put
it
here
or
somebody's
going
to
have
to
work
out
a
deal
with
them
on
where
to
connect
the
fresh
water
lines
and
the
sewer
lines.
K
Another
question
for
the
engineer:
when
people
when
the
city
comes
out
and
they
roto-rooter
the
city
lines
when
I've
had
them
come
out,
they
go
through
a
manhole
cover
but
they're.
Why?
If
the
manhole
covers
are
on
green
lines,
are
they
putting
a
roto-rooter
machine
in
there
to
clean
them
out
if
they're
separated
from
the
sewage
right?
It
doesn't
make
sense
to
me?
Lastly,
you
guys
have
the
in
the
past.
They've
kicked
it
down
the
road
that
can
you're
now
in
their
position,
and
you
need
to.
A
L
Cramp
hi
there
I
have
my
glasses
on,
but
they
fog
with
the
mask,
but
I
I
went
around
with
the
petition
in
eastgate
with
kathy
and
another
neighbor,
and
I'd
like
to
read
this
petition
to
you.
It
is
to
alderman
jeff
craybill,
but
we'd
also
like
to
circulate
this
in
our
nearby
areas
that
are
included
in
the
local
locus
colton,
combined,
sewer
overflow
area
and
the
we.
We
are
asking
that
the
city
accelerate
the
the
locus
colton
plan
using
american
rescue
plan
money.
L
L
The
use
of
arpa
funds
for
this
project
can
wipe
out
a
major
portion
of
the
city's
infrastructure
backlog
using
the
windfall
of
federal
recovery
aid.
Other
benefits
to
the
entire
city
include
laying
the
groundwork
for
economic
development,
preventing
decline
in
property,
values
that
reduce
the
tax
base.
Overall,
mitigating
city,
liability
for
property
damage
and
the
health
of
residents
due
to
sewage
overflows
and
the
use
of
arpa
funding,
to
singularly
address
this
issue
rather
than
for
multiple
projects
which
will
simplify
and
lower
the
cost
of
administrative
reporting
requirements
to
the
federal
government.
L
J
M
I'm
escape
I'm
going
to
start
off
with
the
teacher
good
news.
Thank
you
for
listening.
I've
enjoyed
seeing
kitty
city
council
work,
it's
been
interesting
and
I
appreciate
your
guys
questioning
things.
I'd
like
to
express
gratitude.
First
for
the
meeting
that
was
held
at
bloomington
junior
high
school.
M
M
M
My
question
comes
now:
what
can
I
invest
any
money
in
my
basement,
putting
it
back,
that's
going
to
depend
on
how
you
guys
do
because
my
husband
says
why
put
money
down
there
if
the
problem's
not
fixed,
we've
done
many
things
in
our
home
to
repair
things
to
guard
against
this
sump
pump
dry.
Well
wet
drainage
around,
but
I
also
have
to
say
that
I've
been
blessed.
M
M
I
hope
that
you
will
take
the
opportunity
to
find
ways
to
finance
this
in
an
accelerated
fashion
to
help
not
just
eastgate,
but
the
whole
city's
got
this
problem,
and
after
hearing
one
of
the
other
speakers,
I'm
grateful.
I
guess
I
came
out
more
blessed
than
she
did
and
I've
seen
pictures
of
basement
walls
that
have
fallen
in
it's
very
alarming
in
a
city
in
2021
that
we
still
haven't
fixed
this
problem.
Please
expedia
your
timeline.
C
C
I
I
A
A
Okay,
if
no
one
else
wants
to
remove
anything,
so
is
there
a
motion
to
approve
the.
A
Okay,
is
there
a
second
one?
Yes
sorry,
I
saw
councilman
becker
first,
okay,
madam.
P
Q
Q
A
Yes,
okay.
The
item
passes
no
nays
to
announce
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
item
7d,
councilmember,
krabill.
N
Thank
you.
Mayor
exchange,
some
emails
today
with
scott,
our
finance
director
with
regard
to
this,
and
so
basically,
as
I
understand
it,
we're
gonna
pay
3
million
this
year
out
of
our
reserve
fund
to
save
maybe
a
little
over
200
000
over
the
life
of
what
the
lease
would
have
been,
and
I
guess
my
question
is
with
some
of
the
things
that
we're
hearing
from
our
constituents
with
regard
to
the
storms
other
things
as
to
what
we're
going
to
do
with
past
due
amounts
over
the
city.
N
R
There
we
go,
I
think
the
simple
answer
to
your
question,
alderman
crable
is:
it
would
depend
on
the
the
kep
capacity.
The
amount
of
any
future
conversations
you
know
of
3.1
million
dollars
is
going
to
make
a
difference
on
what
council
might
be
considering
in
the
future.
R
A
A
A
Go
ahead,
council
member
lord.
S
It's
okay
can
someone
and
perhaps
city
manager,
police-
and
you
could
speak
to
this.
I'm
I'm
wondering,
can
you
confirm.
S
Yeah,
I'm
sorry,
can
you
confirm
the
amount
that
we've
been
talking
about
with
regard
to
how
much
I'm
not
saying
damages,
but
damage
has
been
done.
The
cost
of
the
storm
to
residences
and
businesses.
I'm
hearing
the
numbers
anywhere
from
four
to
five
million
dollars
being
tossed
around
is
that
an
accurate
range.
R
S
Okay,
and
would
it
be
possible
if,
if
this
were
approved,
would
it
be
possible
to
or
what
would
it
take
anyway?
I
know
anything's
possible.
What
would
it
take
to
set
aside
the
200
dollars
immediately
to
provide
assistance
to
people
within
the
community.
S
R
As
far
as
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
that
we
would
realize
as
a
savings
through
this,
you
know
through
this
consent
item
if
it
becomes
in
this
larger
discussion,
and
I
know
that
we
have
a
continuation
of
trying
to
present
the
facts
of
our
system
of
the
storm
event.
Tonight.
The
much
larger
conversation
is
going
to
occur
as
promised
next
monday.
R
S
So
one
other
question
and
then
a
comment
if
this
were
tabled
for
this.
B
S
Sorry,
I
just
pressed
it
down
if
we,
if
we
tabled
this
and
then
came
back
to
this
item
at
a
future
date,
would
there
be
a
substantive
cost
to
us
to
hold
off
on
making
a
decision
on
this.
R
S
We've
been
hearing
for
weeks
and
weeks
at
this
point
well
over
a
month
that
we
will
get
more
answers,
we'll
get
more
answers
in
august,
and
I
would
like
to
see
what
those
answers
are
before
we
go:
spending
millions
of
dollars
from
our
reserves
and
committing
ourselves
to
something
like
this
I'd
like
to
see
us
wait,
have
everything
out
on
the
table
and
then
make
a
decision
based
on
having
all
those
facts
in
front
of
us.
A
B
So
I
would
say
I'm
fine
if
we
want
to
table
that.
I
have
no
problem
with
that.
I
just
wanted
to
provide
some
clarity,
because
I
am
the
one
who
has
been
pushing
for
us
to
stop
financing
capital
equipment
purchases.
So
just
so
everybody
who's
watching
understands
what
we're
talking
about
is.
Every
year
the
city
has
to
purchase
some
basic
equipment
as
part
of
a
rotation
in
order
to
function
and
operate
so
some
years
that
might
be
a
new
fire
truck
some
years.
It
could
be
an
ambulance
some
years.
B
It
could
be
a
squad
car
or
a
new
backhoe
for
public
works
or
things
of
that
nature,
and
since
the
financial
crisis
of
2008-2009,
when
we
did
not
have
the
money
to
pay
for
those
we've
been
financing
those
and
so
every
year,
there's
a
new
financing
that
goes
forward
in
some
years,
it's
more
than
others,
but
every
year
we
finance
there
is
interest
associated
with
that
financing.
That
goes
forward.
So
I've
been
pushing
for
us
to
stop
financing
things
because
one
year
it
might
be
two
hundred
thousand
that
we
have
potential
savings.
B
If
we
don't
finance
another
year,
it
might
be
a
hundred
fifty
thousand.
It
could
be
three
hundred
thousand
that
amount
of
money
and
savings
that
we
have
could
keep
fluctuating
depending
on
what
interest
rates
are
you
know,
because
we
don't
have
we
don't
always
have
fixed
interest
rates.
A
lot
of
them
are
variable
interest
rates
and
the
economy
does
what
the
economy
is
going
to
do.
B
So,
I'm
fine
if
we,
if
we
push
this
one
off,
but
we
do
have
to
get
out
of
the
habit
of
financing
these
equipments
and
we
should
be
paying
for
things
as
we
go.
So
that's
why
I
would
support
this.
However,
if
donna
made
the
original
motion,
if
she
wants
to
withdraw
that
and
just
table
it
until
two
weeks
time
certain
or
something
like
that,
I
would
follow
that
as
a
seconder
as
well.
A
O
Half
a
staff
had
to
be:
let
go
that's
how
bad
our
finances
were,
and
thank
you
to
our
current
finance
department.
We
have
built
our
finances
to
assist,
to
a
place
where
we
can't
afford
to
pay
cash
for
our
required
equipment
and
we
have
I.t
stuff
on
on
credit.
We
have
fleet
on
credit,
we
have
all
sorts
of
stuff
on
credit,
and
the
best
way
to
have
solid
financial
footing
is
to
get
out
of
debt,
and
that's
I
support
this
100
percent.
O
So
if
people
want
to
vote
in
town,
that's
fine,
but
I
support
what
scott
rathman
brought
forward.
There
is
still
money
left
in
the
reserves
over
and
above
what
is
required
or
the
policy
states.
So
I
say
we
move
forward.
A
O
F
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
the
conversation
about
this.
I
I
don't
think
it's
mutually
exclusive
to
table.
I
think
it's
important
to
understand
the
principle
of
wanting
to
reduce
our
debt
by
purchasing
equipment.
F
However,
I
don't
given
city
manager,
gleason's
response
to
the
first
question,
which
is
it
depends
on
the
size
and
scope
of
what
you
want
to
do
as
council
and
we'll
have
more
information
to
make
that
decision
this
evening.
So
I
think
it's
it.
It
doesn't
mean
that
we
don't
value
that
approach.
It
means
that
we're
willing
to
table
a
decision
about
spending
that
money
right
now
in
this
way
until
we
have
better
and
more
information,
so
I
I
would
support
tabling
it
for
now.
Q
So
I'm
a
hundred
percent
for
accelerating
and
expending
more
money
on
the
infrastructure
in
in
both
ways,
whether
it
be
roads
or
sewers.
This,
I
think,
is
a
different
issue.
I
think
they're
due
to
how
long
it
takes
to
do
things.
There
is
plenty
of
money
to
take
care
of
being
good
and
sound
fiscally
responsible
decision
right
now
and
let
this
go
through,
as
is
it
will
not,
in
my
opinion,
in
any
way
affect
our
ability
to
accelerate
things.
Q
Q
This
tabling
this
to
me
is
just
putting
one
more
thing
down
the
road
and
continuing,
maybe
a
pattern
of
delaying
when
we
can
make
a
good,
sound
decision
today.
I'd
rather
make
the
decision
on
this,
and
let
this
go
today
and
focus
all
our
energy
on
using
the
the
remaining
time
and
money
that
we
have
on
moving
forward
with
those
decisions
separately.
T
I'd
just
like
to
affirm
that
I
agree
these
two
things
are
not
related
and
I'm
a
very
strong
supporter
of
investing
the
relief
money
that
we
have
coming
our
way
to
support
our
infrastructure
improvements.
S
With
respect
we,
we
haven't
made
a
commitment
yet
that
we've
followed
through
on
to
infrastructure.
That's
the
problem:
we've
we've!
Actually
we've
made
commitments,
but
we
haven't
followed
through
on
them
and
that's
why
I'm
calling
for
us
to
hold
off
on
doing
something
that
can't
be
undone
with
this.
I'm
not
saying
I
think
it's
a
great
idea
to
to
always
lease
and
and
never
to
pay
cash.
I
think
it's
a
wonderful
thing
to
pay
cash
and
avoid
interest.
F
U
U
C
A
So
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
open
the
public
hearing
and
who
do?
We
have
kevin
good
to
the
presentation
software.
Thank.
V
You
and
council,
we
have
a
slide
if
I
could
have
that
up.
V
This
is
in
your
council
packet,
but
this
is
the
location
map
of
the
alley
in
question.
It's
hatched
in
red
and
it's
a
t
alley.
There's
an
east
west
alley.
Then
this
is
just
the
north
south
portion
that
comes
into
the
t.
The
property
on
both
sides
of
the
alley
is
with
the
same
owner
and
they're
just
requesting
that
be
vacated.
It
does
not
affect
the
other
alley
or
the
other
residences,
and
so
public
works
is
supportive
of
it.
V
One
question
you'll
want
to
consider
is
whether
to
waive
the
compensation
amount,
our
street
and
alley.
The
vacation
policy
says
that
there
should
be
compensation
to
the
city
for
vacating
the
alley
and
that
would
have
to
be
part
of
the
you
know,
motion
in
a
future
meeting
to
consider
the
vacation,
but
would
be
interested
in
your
feedback
on
whether
you
think
compensation
is
needed
there.
The
petitioner
is
really
not
interested
if
he
has
to
pay
for
the
alley
right
away.
V
The
benefit
to
the
public
is
that
we
have
one
less
section
of
alley
to
maintain,
which
we
struggle,
with
keeping
all
the
alleys
in
good
shape.
The
way
it
is
so
if
you
have
any
questions
more
than
happy
answer,
but
we'll
continue.
A
Okay,
before
we
have
any
questions
from
the
council
members,
I
is
there
anybody
who
would
like
to
speak
to
members
of
the
public
who
wants
to
speak
to
this
going
up
gary.
H
B
Yeah,
I
was
just
going
to
say
that
mr
gray
purchased
all
three
of
those
properties.
They
were
in
pretty
significant
state
of
deterioration
to
the
point
where
there
was
consideration
at
one
point
of
actually
tearing
all
three
buildings
down
and
has
restored
all
three
of
the
houses
in
that
section,
with
508,
510
and
514.
B
V
S
N
V
A
V
Ali,
I'm
sorry,
I
I
don't
know
off
the
top
of
my
head
on
that
one,
but
there
is,
there
is
a
cost.
I
mean
if,
if
we
need
to
go
out
there
and
grade
it
put
more,
you
know
rock
and
so
forth
in
there
there's
certainly
a
cost.
To
that.
A
U
Thank
you,
mayor
kevin.
Is
there
a
precedent
for
waving?
You
know
the
the
person
purchasing
the
property
from
the
city
requesting
this
waiver
is
this?
Has
that
been
done
previously,
or
is
this
the
first
time.
V
The
right-of-way
and
alley
vacation
policy
is
fairly
new
with
the
city.
There
has
not
been
a
lot
of
instances
that
have
come
forward
since
it
was
adopted
prior
to
that
it
was
fairly
common
that
in
a
residential
application,
the
alley
would
just
be
vacated
without
receiving
compensation
to
the
city.
Knowing
that
the
you
know,
receiver
of
that
property
would
have
to
maintain
it
from
here
on
out.
V
So
as
far
as
under
the
the
new
policy,
which
was
implemented
a
few
years
ago,
and-
and
you
know,
jeff
could
advise
too,
if
I'm
saying
anything
incorrectly,
but
we
have
just
haven't,
had
a
lot
come
forth.
There
was
one
on
the
northwest
side
of
bloomington
so
probably
a
year
ago,
thereabouts
where
east
view
was
expanding,
a
parking
lot
and,
of
course
that
was
a
non-for-profit
and
that
that
was
done
without
compensation.
V
U
Then
I
guess
I'm
wondering
is
my
understanding
that
if
we
don't
waive
this,
this,
the
cost
he's
not
interested
in
maintaining
the
alley.
Is
that
correct.
V
Right
because,
if
if
my
understanding
is,
is
he
has
to
pay
for
it,
he's
not
interested
in
in
paying
for
it
to
acquire
it,
and
then
it's
just
on
the
city
to
continue
to
maintain
it.
Okay,
thank
you.
T
From
reading
the
packet,
it
looked
like
that
this
was
mutually
beneficial
and
desirable
by
the
city
because
it
would
offset
the
maintenance
cost.
I
know
in
response
to
the
mayor's
question
you
weren't
sure
of
the
amount
there,
but
do
you
have
an
estimate
generally
in
how
much
labor
is
associated
with
maintaining
an
alleyway
just
in
general
and
over
what
horizon?
Would
the
value
actually
be
returned
to
the
city
for
its
lack
of
need
to
devote
labor
to
serving
that
alleyway?
As
a
service
item.
V
Yeah
and-
and
you
know
we
can
make
some
numbers-
or
you
know,
put
some
numbers
together
with
some
assumptions
and
so
forth,
but
you
know
anybody
that
lives
on
an
alley
in
bloomington.
V
V
V
Gonna
yeah,
I
want
to
say
in
the
last
three
years,
but.
P
Yeah,
I
want
to
say
in
the
last
three
years
as
well,
and
it
was
put
into
place
simply
because
I
think
staff
was
getting
requests
from
from
different
entities
and
the
administration
at
the
time
decided
that
they
wanted
a
just
a
policy
to
govern
that.
So
everybody
was
was
treated
equally
and
the
policy
does
say
that
the
council
can
waive,
for
governmental
reasons,
intergovernmental
reasons.
That
kind
of
thing
we've
waved
in
the
past,
for
the
non-profit
and
as
director
kothi
was
saying.
If
you
want
to
add
an
exception
for
residential
use.
P
Where
you
know,
maybe
there
is
a
benefit
to
the
city.
We
would
just
need
to
add
that
into
the
policy
as
well,
and
we
can
certainly
do
that.
If
that's
the
desire
of
the
council
and
you
can
take
that
on
a
case-by-case
basis
and
determine
whether
or
not
there
is
good
value
there
for
the
city
or
not
or
whether
it's
truly
a
private
benefit,
and
somebody
should
pay
for
that.
Additional
property
that
they're
receiving.
O
O
We
should
not
waive
the
their
request
or
abide
by
their
request
and
not
waive.
F
F
The
right-of-way
must
be
determined
to
be
of
no
value
to
the
city,
will
not
have
a
significant
adverse
effect
and
right
of
way
she'll
be
made
on
a
kind
of
a
case-by-case
basis
park,
open
space
view
natural
area,
so
it
it
perhaps
there
there
could
be
some
more
tightening
of
the
policy
to
include
this.
But
I
I
don't
see
it
as
I
don't.
I
don't
see
this
crea
creating
any
problems
if
we're
reducing
costs-
and
I
don't.
F
Well,
maybe
maybe
you're
right
can't
counsel
memorable,
and
maybe
it
is
about
whether
or
not
it
is
necessary
for
the
public
good.
But
at
the
same
time
I
I
think
that
it's
it's
flexible
enough.
The
vacation
requirements
are
flexible
enough
that
that
this
particular
request
could
be
vacated,
especially
if
it
means
that
we
would
no
longer
be
maintaining
the
that
part
of
the
alley
and
the
owner
claims
that
he
can
do
a
better
job.
T
You
know,
I
think,
for
the
future.
It
would
be
very
helpful
to
know
what
we're
comparing
this
to,
because
we
have
this
unknown
in
terms
of
the
labor
cost
savings
to
the
city
that
would
be
considered
in
that
equation
of
the
benefits
as
it's
compared
to
the
potential
value
of
this
property,
which
I
think
has
been
just
directionally
placed
out
there.
So,
as
we
consider
situations
like
this
in
the
future,
it
would
just
be
very
helpful
to
see
that
cost
benefit
laid
out.
T
So
we
would
have
a
comparison
as
looking
out
for
the
cost
structure
of
the
city
and
the
benefits
to
the
city,
because
your
labor
could
exceed
this
this
value.
At
this
point,
we
just
don't.
B
I
was
just
gonna,
you
know:
we've
got
kind
of
a
circular
argument
going
right
now,
we're
not
gonna
fix
it
and
he
says:
well,
fine
I'll
fix
it.
Well,
you
can't
fix
it
because
it's
ours.
Well,
then,
you
fix
it.
Well,
we
don't
we're
not
going
to
fix
it
now.
So
if
we're
in
this
stuck
in
a
circular
loop
right
now
of
if
we're
not
willing
to
fix
it
and
he
is
willing
to
fix
it,
but
he
can't
fix
it
because
we
own
it
it's
it's.
B
It's
like
we're
in
a
a
spiral
pattern
here
and
it
seems
like
long
term
it's
in
our
benefit
to
make
this
as
an
an
alley
and
a
lot
of
similar
alleys
like
this.
If
somebody's
willing
to
fix
them
and
abide
by
city
code
and
property
maintenance
schedules
on
their
diamond
set
of
hours,
I
I
see
it
as
a
long-term
win.
S
Yeah
I
feel
like
I'm
operating
in
the
dark
here,
because
I
I
don't
know
what,
how
long
it's
going
to
cost
us
or
how
long
it's
going
to
take
us
to
to
get
to
a
place
where
we've
we've
reached
the
ten
thousand
dollars
that
we're
going
to
be
out
with
this.
And
so
I
I
can't
support
a
waiver.
S
If
I,
if
I
can't,
if
I
don't
know
what
the
cost
is
going
to
be
to
us,
I
used
to
have
a
gravel
driveway
and
every
few
years
we
would
re
it's
a
long
driveway
and
we
would
have
to
you
know,
have
it
graded
and
have
a
load
of
gravel
brought
in
and
that
cost
us
around
500
bucks.
It's
going
to
take
a
long
time
to
to
work
our
way
to
ten
thousand
dollars
on
that,
and
I
can
think
of
a
few
people
who
could
use
ten
thousand
dollars
right
now
to
do
some
stuff.
L
A
Q
Very,
very
quick
to
me:
I
I
have
no
problem
with
waving
it
just
being
candid,
but
to
me
there's
one
cost
that
hasn't
been
mentioned
and
that's
opportunity
cost.
I
don't
want
our
workers
maintaining
an
alley
that
someone
else
would
maintain
when
they
can
be
spending
their
energy
fixing
the
roads
or
fixing
the
sewers.
Let
the
workers
go.
Do
that.
Let
the
citizen
maintain
the
alley.
A
Thank
you,
city
manager,
gleason,.
R
Thank
you,
mayor
and
council,
really
what
we
were
looking
for.
A
staff
before
this
comes
becomes.
An
agenda
item
in
this
public
hearing
was
just
a
fact
gathering
and
some
of
the
questions
that
have
been
asked.
R
A
I
don't
see
any
other
questions,
so
I'm
just
going
to
go
ahead
and
close
the
public
hearing
and
thank
you,
kevin
move
on
to
the
next
item
on
the
agenda.
Regular
agenda,
which
is
a
presentation
and
discussion
of
topics
related
to
city
infrastructure
and
recent
storm
events,
as
requested
by
the
public
works
department
and
the
administration
department,
and
I
I
wanted
to
to
make
just
a
few
comments
just
to
kind
of
take
a
moment.
I
know
kevin
is
back
up
to
the
podium.
A
I
just
want
to
take
a
moment
to
thank
staff
for
their
commitment
and
professionalism
during
a
very
difficult
time,
working
long
hours
at
all
levels,
responding
to
issues
on
the
ground,
but
also
answering
numerous
questions
from
residents
and
elected
officials
alike.
Even
though
sometimes
you
know
the
answers
you
know
were
not
always
what
people
wanted
to
hear.
A
We
all
know
that
it's
it's
your
job
and
and
that's
what
she
signed
up
for,
but
you
know
you,
I
think
you've
done
it
with
grace
and
professionalism,
and
I
believe
it
is
important
that
we
recognize
that.
I
also
believe
that
it's
it's
important
to
recognize
that
you,
you
bring
a
certain
level
of
expertise.
A
A
Our
discussions
and
with
the
fourth
coming
next
week
at
the
committee
of
the
whole,
the
committee
of
the
whole
discussion,
is
surely
not
going
to
be
the
last
and,
as
you
will
kick
off
a
number
of
conversations
about
how
to
budget
for
all
the
improvements
we
want
to
make
to
our
sewer
system-
and
I
I
think
you
know
overall,
I
can
say
that
there
is
a
strong
commitment
on
the
council
to
to
make
those
improvements.
A
The
question
is
just
going
to
be
how
we're
going
to
do
it,
and-
and
I
again
I
you
know-
I
want
to
say
that
we're
going
to
do
it
all
together.
You
know
it's
it's.
It's
not
gonna
be
easy.
I
know
these
budgeting
questions
and
and
financing
are,
are
very
difficult.
I've
I've
been
part
of
many
of
them.
It's
it's.
It's
a
question
of
trade-offs
as
you've
heard
tonight,
but
you
know,
I
think,
ultimately
we're
we're
going
to
get
there.
R
Thank
you,
mayor
and
council,
and
to
the
community.
This
is
the
third.
If
you
will
installment
of
our
storm
discussion
next
week
will
be
the
larger
discussion
at
the
committee
of
the
whole.
Actually
that
agenda
is
shaping
up
where
we're
gonna,
have
a
single
agenda
item
and
that's
going
to
be
this
presentation
and
we
have
taken
all
four
of
these
presentations
or
these
past
meetings
to
truly
try
to
collect
all
the
data
and
the
facts.
R
I'm
responsible
to
10
elected
officials
that
are
responsible
to
a
community
of
80
000
and
the
decisions
that
come
before
them
after
the
fourth
presentation,
where
we
really
start
talking
about
what
are
we
going
to
do?
Next,
I
have
got
to
make
sure
that
they
are
on
the
firmness
ground
with
the
facts
and
the
data
for
the
decisions
that
is
going
to
come
before
them.
R
You
know,
after
that
august
16th
committee
of
the
whole
meeting
tonight
this
installment
we're
going
to
share
some
facts
about
the
storm
but,
as
I
have
shared
in
the
past
and
promised
tonight
is
the
conversation
about
infrastructure
pro
process.
So
there
are
different
steps
involved
in
any
given
infrastructure
process.
Specifically
the
sewer
projects
that
we're
talking
about-
and
I
want
the
council
to
understand
that
these
different
phases
in
any
given
project
takes
a
certain
amount
of
time.
R
So
when
we
talk
about
possibly
advancing
or
the
locus
colton
project
in
in
particular,
I
want
everyone
to
understand
that
a
2029
scheduled
end
date
doesn't
necessarily
mean
a
2022
project,
but
we
do
have
some
ability
to
combine
some
of
those
and
shorten
this
project
if
that
becomes
the
desire
of
counsel,
there's
also
a
financing
component
here,
the
iepa
which
is
who
we
typically
get
extremely
good
interest
rates
far
from
they
only
appropriate
so
much
money
every
single
year
towards
the
project.
R
R
I
have
been
reaching
out
to
some
of
the
contacts
at
the
state
and
while
we
are
a
long
way
from
yes
on
any
of
the
possibilities
that
they
are
considering,
we
are
having
those
discussions
and
it's
something
that
we
definitely
hear
the
concerns
of
the
community.
R
One
thing
that
you'll
see
in
this
presentation
tonight
in
elaborated
on
next
week
is
honestly
in
in
you
know.
This
might
not
be
something
that
you
know
some
agree
with,
but
the
past
councils,
this
current
council
there's
actually
a
major
credit-
needs
to
go
to
them
in
terms
of
the
infrastructure
projects.
Specifically,
the
sewer
locus
colton
is
a
successful
project,
which
does
not
mean
that
we
can't
reprioritize
and
shorten
the
length
of
this
project.
R
It
just
might
mean
that
we're
using
funding
outside
of
the
very
low
interest
rate
that
the
iepa
offers.
So
I
just
wanted
to
share
that
before
I
turn
the
floor
over
to
kevin.
I
think
he's
got
25
minutes
for
this
presentation
and
I
just
ask
everybody
to
listen.
Maybe
go
back
and
look
at
some
of
the
past
council
meetings
definitely
tune
in
to
committee
of
the
whole
on
august
16th
and
honestly
support
our
council
members
in
terms
of
what
their
next
decisions
are.
So
with
that
said,
kevin
you're
up.
V
Thank
you,
city
manager,
gleason,
mayor
and
council.
Thank
you
for
having
me
again
and
tonight
our
presentation
will
focus
on
the
aspect
of
the
city
infrastructure
related
to
the
recent
storm
events
combined
sewers
and
csos.
I
know
that
when
I
was
before
you
a
few
weeks
ago,
there
were
some
questions
for
clarity
on
combined
sewers
and
combined
sewer
overflows,
so
we'll
be
addressing
some
of
that
tonight
with
some
illustrations,
for
you
next
slide
next
slide.
Please
thank
you
just
some
quick
facts.
V
I
mean
this
really
was
an
extraordinary
two
days
for
the
storm
and
you
know
we're
talking
that
areas
of
bloomington
up
to
14
inches
in
two
days,
with
an
average
annual
rainfall
of
39
inches,
that's
over
a
third
of
our
rainfall,
just
in
in
two
days
I
mean
that
doesn't
happen
infrastructure.
V
You
know
the
improvements
we've
done
in
the
past
along
sugar
creek,
for
instance,
with
bridges,
replacing
the
fell,
avenue
bridge
the
clinton
bridge
and
some
others,
along
with
the
code
required
detention
on
the
east
side
and
other
areas
and,
of
course,
it's
code
required
across
the
city.
But
that's
something
that's
been
in
place
since
the
80s-
and
you
know
there
are
stories
of
success
here,
even
though
that
you
know
it
was
a
disaster.
V
You
know
the
advocate
roman
hospital
area
and
along
iwu
the
athletic
area.
There
would
have
been
flooded
a
lot
more
if
this
was
in
the
in
the
70s
or
early
80s,
and
so
there
is
a
lot
of
things
to
be
said
and
we'll
get
into
that
a
little
bit
more
next
week
with
some
of
the
things
that
we've
seen
with
the
high
water
levels
and
stuff
that
we
observed
so
just
want
to.
V
V
Okay,
I'm
sorry
I'll!
Just
get
closer
six
inches
of
rain
across
the
corporate
limits,
the
27.3
square
miles
that
generate
enough
a
runoff
that
night
we
could
have
filled
lake
bloomington
from
empty.
I
mean
that's
an
incredible
amount
of
water
and
then,
when
you
look
at
the
two
days
with
roughly
11
inches
of
rain,
actually,
like
I
said
up
to
14,
just
just
11
inches
of
rain
would
fill
evergreen
lake,
which
is
a
much
larger
lake
than
bloomington.
V
So,
if
you
can
picture,
we
had
to
get
rid
of
that
much
water
that
that
weekend
I
mean
that's
incredible
and
just
next
slide,
please
the
the
size
of
these
lakes.
I
mean
here's
some
pictures.
That
kind
of
give
you
an
illustration
these.
This
isn't
even
the
whole
lake.
I
mean
this
is
just
a
portion
of
the
lake
you're,
seeing
there,
but
just
an
incredible
amount
of
water
that
fell
that
weekend.
So
just
wanted
to
share
that
with
you
next
slide,
combined
sewers
is
something
that's
been
talked
about
a
lot.
It's
not
something!
V
That's
unique
to
bloomington!
You
can
see
in
this
map
of
the
united
states.
There
is
mostly
a
focus
of
them
in
the
midwest
and
the
northeast,
but
they
go
all
the
way
out
to
the
west
coast.
V
There's
over
100
communities
in
illinois
with
combined
sewers-
and
you
know
over
9
000,
combined
sewer
outfalls
regulated
by
over
800
permits
through
the
epa.
So
not
a
thing.
That's
unique
to
bloomington,
so
just
wanted
to
share
that
that
they
are
things
that
have
existed
in
other
communities.
They
are
things
that
are
allowed
and
permitted
by
the
epa
and
so
not
unique
to
us
next
slide.
V
This
is
one
you've
seen
before
this
is
the
overview
of
bloomington
and
the
purple
is
the
combined
sewers
and
they're
generally
in
the
older
parts
of
the
community,
basically
inside
the
belt
buckle
of
or
inside
veterans,
parkway
loop
and
the
interstate
and
there's
85
miles
to
combine
sewers.
So
we
have.
We
have
a
lot
of
them
still
next
slide.
Please
combine
sewer
overflow.
V
This
is
from
the
report
for
the
locus
colton
study
and
this
is
actually
a
picture
of
the
locust
street
overflow
and
what
you're
seeing
there
in
the
background,
labeled
combined
sewer
that
combined
sewer
is
66
inches
in
diameter.
So
I'm
a
little
bit
over
six
foot.
I
would
hit
my
head
in
there,
but
you
know
somebody.
That's
five
foot
six
could
stand
in
there
without
hitting
their
head.
That's
a
big
pipe
coming
at
us
and
then
in
the
foreground
is
is
what
we
call
a
weir
and
that's
just
a
knee
wall.
V
If
you
will
and
when
the
you
can
see
that
there's
wetness
in
there
there's
flow,
there's
some
the
sewers
flowing
at
the
time
the
picture's
taken,
but
it's
the
sanitary
flow,
the
low
flow,
not
during
a
storm
event,
and
you
can
see
it-
it's
it's
not
going
over
the
weir,
it's
going
into
another
pipe
at
the
lower
right
corner
of
that
image
and
and
that
flow
goes
on
to
the
treatment
plant.
V
But
then,
when
it
rains,
what
happens
is
that
pipe
starts
to
fill
up
when
it
gets
higher
than
the
depth
of
the
weir,
then
that
water
that
combines
sewage
starts
to
flow
over
the
weir,
and
you
say
well:
where
does
that
go?
Well,
you
can
see
in
the
foreground.
There
are
the
picture.
There's
some
leaves
there
years
ago
that
used
to
go
straight
into
the
country,
club
branch
of
sugar
creek.
Now
that
goes
into
a
box
culvert
and
that
box
culvert
daylights
down
by
empire
and
colton.
V
V
So
the
locust
cso
is
what
we're
kind
of
looking
at
here.
This
is
a
picture
from
that
original
plan
and
the
original
study
you
know,
was
not
the
engineer
drawing
so
there's
some
changes
that
were
made
to
this,
but
just
gives
you
this
set
general
overview
where
the
dark
green
line
or
on
the
screen
it's
light,
green,
but
that
green
line
is
a
box
culvert
by
the
athletic
fields.
It's
a
5x7
when
it
gets
further
to
the
north.
V
The
line
that
was
added
is
that
red
dash
line
it
didn't
get
added.
In
that
exact
configuration,
we
ended
up
having
to
go
and
work
with
vhs
to
get
weave
it
through
the
athletic
field
and
stuff,
but
that
ended
up
being
a
30
inch,
sanitary
sewer
that
was
added
in
phase
one
to
receive
the
separated
flows
as
we
work
our
way
from
downstream.
This
is
downstream
to
upstream,
which
is
you
know,
headed
back
towards
oakland
avenue
along
mercer.
V
V
This
is
a
map
of
the
locust
colton
cso
area,
the
different
blocks
that
are
to
be
done.
The
dashed
red
lines
are
the
area
of
phase
one
six
and
seven
that
have
already
been
done.
The
area
by
washington
mercer,
that's
kind
of
orange.
That
is
an
area
that's
being
worked
on
right
now.
As
many
of
you
know,
washington
was
just
opened
up
to
traffic
again
last
week.
V
Work
is
going
to
proceed
on
on
grove
street
now,
but
that
phase
two
is
under
construction,
and
you
know
the
the
vast
majority
of
construction
to
be
completed
before
winter
and
then
punch
list
items
in
the
spring
phase.
V
Three
is
the
yellow
and
that's
been
designed
already
and
we're
pleased
to
say
to
you
tonight
that
the
loan
we
applied
for
or
loans,
I
should
say
with
the
epa
have
received-
have
been
published
in
their
book
as
far
as
being
intended
to
be
funded
for
next
construction
season,
so
we're
able
to
move
that
one
forward
with
the
bidding
during
this
winter
and
construction
starting
in
the
spring.
So
we're
thankful
that
we,
we
did
get
approved
for
the
funding
for
the
water
and
the
sewer
loans.
For
that
one.
V
The
other
phases
phase
four,
five,
eight
nine
we
will
be
talking
about
shortly,
but
the
the
four
five
and
eight
are
south
of
the
phase.
Two
and
three
phase:
nine
is
up
back
near
elmwood
and
colton
that
area
up
there
and
so
that
this
kind
of
gives
you
that
overview
of
what
the
project
entails.
V
This
is
a
bar
chart
that
shows
how
much
pipe
was
installed
with
each
of
the
different
will
be
was
and
will
be
installed
with
each
of
the
different
phases
so
phases,
one
six
and
seven
you
can
see
we
had
over
two
miles
of
sanitary
sewer,
two
miles
of
water
main
and
about
a
quarter
mile
of
storm
sewer
installed
with
that
project.
V
V
So
these
larger
projects
that
take
multi-years
to
deliver
are
a
little
bit
trickier
to
deliver
successfully
without
the
complaints
phase.
Two,
you
can
see
you
know
we're
just
over
half
a
mile
of
most
of
the
pipes
phase
three
is
even
less
the
point
of
showing
these
graphs
is
what
is
achievable
as
far
as
potentially
combining
phases
which
we'll
get
to
and
you'll
look
at
phase
four,
which
is
in
design
now
and
phase
five
and
they're
adjacent
to
each
other
and
realistically,
that
is
something
that
could
potentially
be
combined
and
delivered
in
one
construction
season.
V
We
think
phase
eight
and
nine
are
not
adjacent
to
each
other,
so,
but
we'll
we'll
get
to
that
on
another
slide
here
as
we
move
forward.
So
next
slide,
please
funding
wise.
This
is
where
we're
at
today,
phase
two
is
4.67
million
dollars
awarded
phase
three
coming
up
construction
estimate
at
4.2
million
phases,
four
and
five
you
can
see
2.4
and
4.5.
V
V
As
far
as
completing
a
single
phase,
the
bar
up
on
top
is
a
schedule
showing,
if
you
know,
we
use
epa
loan
funding
and
the
pre-design
at
three
months.
That
pre-design
includes
things
such
as
you
know,
selecting
the
consultant
getting
that
design
contract
approved
and
some
things
that
go
with
that
a
year,
12
months,
basically
for
design
that
includes
surveying
the
area,
getting
information,
detailed
information
about
the
sewers
and
the
water
mains
and
so
forth,
and
and
putting
the
plans
together
and
then
we
have.
V
Then
we
get
into
the
loan
process
where
we
have
to
have
approved
plans
in
order
to
move
into
that
which
can
take
six
months
to
get
through
the
loan
process
and
then
bidding
another
six
months
showing
construction
at
one
season,
basically
11
months
to
get
the
majority
of
it
done.
Sometimes
there's
some
close
out
stuff
after
that,
but
the
majority
of
construction
in
one
season
and
then
they
close
out
with
five
months
for
finishing
out
that
section
of
with
the
cso.
V
Now.
What
does
that
look
like
if
we
look
to
other
sources
of
funding?
Potentially
we
can
compress
that
time
frame
and
save
nine
months
if
we
don't
have
to
go
through
the
epa
loan
approval
process
and
the
state
bidding
requirements.
So
this
kind
of
gives
you
that
overview
of
the
difference
in
the
timelines
for
those
two
processes
next
slide,
please.
V
So
what?
If
our
current
schedule's
up
on
the
top,
showing
you
know,
completion
by
2030?
But
what?
If
we
were
able
to
accelerate
and
a
more
aggressive
schedule
for
delivering
these
projects?
Phase
three
is
already
in
the
pipeline.
As
you
know,
I
said
we
are
in
they've,
been
they've,
said
we're
intended
to
get
loan
funding
for
that
for
next
construction
season.
So
that's
wonderful
phase,
four,
the
design
just
started
this
this
year.
It
just
got
under
contract.
V
At
this
point,
it
would
still
be
possible
if
you
were
interested,
that
we
would
do
perhaps
a
contract
amendment
to
the
design
contract
and
and
add
in
the
design
for
phase
five
with
phase
four
right
now
and
then
that
could
accelerate
the
delivery
so
that
we
can
complete
phases
four
and
five
where
we
would
have
just
completed
phase
four
before
and
then,
if
we
get
more
aggressive
with
our
schedules
for
phase
eight
and
nine,
you
can
see
we
can,
we
can
potentially
deliver
the
completed
project.
V
You
know
several
years
ahead
of
the
planned
schedule
right
now,
so
just
wanted
to
lay
this
all
out
on
the
table
that
you
could
see
what
some
options
are,
and
you
know
obviously
there's
some
implications
too,
with
disruption
in
neighborhoods
and
constructability
time
frames
for
the
contractor
get
the
work,
work
done
and
all
that
stuff,
but
we
think
this
is
doable.
So
next
slide
is
questions
and
discussion.
So
turn
it
back
to
you,
mayor.
A
Okay,
thank
you
so
much
kevin.
This
definitely
clarifies
a
lot
of
things
for
for
us
and
the
rest
of
the
council.
Do
I
see
any
questions
here?
Okay,
council,
member
matthew,
I'll.
B
Give
you
this
because
it's
gonna
be
a
long
time
so
kevin.
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
this.
I
sent
the
mayor
and
tim
earlier
one
of
the
things
that
I
would
have
liked
to
see
in
this
presentation.
Maybe
we
talked
about
a
little
bit
more
next
week
is
also
a
topographical
map
of
bloomington.
B
B
However,
that
also
means
that
there
are
high
spots
and
low
spots
of
stretching
across
the
town
and
everybody
who
has
been
sitting
in
this
room,
who
has
been
saying
we're
having
problems,
are
on
the
low
spots
around
the
hills.
So
I
think
that
contributes
to
part
of
this.
I
I
it's.
We
still
have
to
fix
it.
I'm
not
making
excuses,
but
all
the
way
around
the
hill
downtown
sits
on
one
of
the
hills.
B
Wjbc's
tower
sits
on
one
of
the
hills
and
the
east
side
of
bloomington
sits
on
a
hill
too,
so
everything
is
going
downhill
towards
the
eastgate
community.
The
oakland
avenue
corridor,
where
home
sweet
home
is
the
west
side
of
bloomington
and
all
the
issues
they've
had
south
hill
neighborhood.
All
those
are
the
low
ground
all
the
way
around
us.
So
I
would
be
fully
on
board
with
the
idea
of
combining
phases
four
and
five
together.
B
B
At
some
point,
so
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
for
people
who
might
be
watching
from
home
that
won,
25
million
dollars
is
a
heck
of
a
lot
of
money
and
it's
actually
only
a
tip
of
the
iceberg
compared
to
what
we're
gonna
have
to
spend
to
solve
the
rest
of
the
edges
around
that
hill.
To
keep
things
going.
That
being
said,
one
of
the
questions
that
I've
gotten
I've
gotten
some
snarky
comments,
which
is
fine.
I
get
it.
B
So
as
we
get
storm
water
out
of
that
system,
starting
from
east
going
west,
we
are
moving
storm
water
out
of
that
system.
That
will
never
be
in
the
pipes
as
they
go
from
an
east
gate.
Community
area
around
through
oakland
avenue
down
past
south
hill
neighborhood,
you
know
and
where
it's
a
domino
effect
right
now
and
as
we
eliminate
each
piece
of
the
problem
as
we're
moving
around
the
hill,
it
will
slowly
get
better
over
time.
B
So
I
just
wanted
to
bring
that
up
that
some
of
this
is
straight
up:
topography
that
you
may
not
realize
that
there's
an
altitude
or
a
topography
change
at
an
above
sea
level
of
75
to
100
feet
from
one
side
of
bloomington
to
the
other,
and
all
that
goes
downhill
right.
I
think
it
was
referred
to
as
the
p
word
earlier.
So
the
one
question
I
had-
and
I
wish,
if
you
would
talk
about
a
little
bit-
is
for
each
individual
property.
B
What
has
to
happen
as
we
move
past
a
property
from
one
house
to
the
next
house,
because
I
don't
know
that
everybody
appreciates
how
complicated
what
what
has
to
happen
and
why
this
takes
so
long
as
we're
going
from
property
to
property
and
extending
this
out,
could
you
hit
on
that
a
little
bit?
Please.
V
As
part
of
the
design
process,
you
know
collecting
the
field
data.
Some
of
you
may
know
that
you
know
from
the
original
study.
V
That's
just
done
with
our
basic
data
from
our
mapping
our
gis
type
of
thing,
but
when
you
actually
get
into
the
details
of
collecting
the
design
data,
you
sometimes
find
out
that
one
sewer
doesn't
go,
go
the
way
it
was
thought
as
far
as
how
it
ties
in
with
the
system.
V
So
as
they
work
through
the
design
data,
they
they
address
all
the
issues,
whether
it's
you
know
sewers
in
the
backyard
or
water
mains
in
the
backyard.
V
Typically,
the
sanitary
is
an
eight
inch.
Now
sometimes
it
gets
bigger
than
that
when
more
than
you
know,
a
few
blocks
come
together,
but
the
basic
size
of
an
eight
inch
in
a
lot
of
the
combined
sewer
areas,
they're
12,
15
18
inch,
sewers,
they're,
much
bigger
because
they're
not
just
taking
the
sanitary
flow
they're
taking
the
storm
flow
as
well.
V
V
So
what
we're
doing
is
we're
trying
to
leverage
the
assets
that
are
already
in
the
ground
you
know
and
if
they're,
if
they're
in
good
shape,
they
might
not
need
anything
worst
cases.
We
need
to
line
it,
but
you
know
with
a
liner
and
a
pipe.
We
can
get
many
decades
of
service
out
of
that,
so
we're
trying
to
leverage
the
assets
that
are
there
to
make
the
most
cost
effective
decisions
for
the
community.
So
that's
kind
of
the
quick
overview.
V
It
is
complex
and
it
involves.
I
was
just
mentioning
what
the
what
the
storm
and
sanitary
aspect
is.
A
lot
of
blocks
were
also
doing
water
main
projects
while
we're
there.
When
we
got
you
know,
get
into
a
neighborhood
and
rip
it
up.
Why
not
get
everything
in
better
shape
so
that
we
don't
have
to
come
back
for
20
30
40
years
or
whatever.
B
Oh
I'm
a
big
fan
of
that,
so
I
will
never
question
that
part
of
it.
The
other
thing
I
wanted
to
address
real
quick,
too,
is
there's
been
a
lot
of
questions
about
funding
about.
How
did
we
get
to
this
point
here
too,
and
right
after
I
got
elected
to
council,
it
was,
I
think
it
was
actually
early.
B
2018
public
works
came
to
us
and
said
we
need
to
talk
about
doing
a
sewer
rate
study
because
there's
no
money
for
capital
projects
in
sewers
anymore
right,
because
at
the
time
we
had
a
sewer
rate
that
stayed
fixed
and
what
had
happened
over
the
years
is
the
sewer
rate
would
get
raised.
B
Then,
over
a
few
years
as
the
cost
of
living
went
up
and
the
cost
of
operating
the
city
went
up,
the
operational
car
portion
of
the
sewers
of
the
sewer
fund
consumed
all
the
entire
rate,
so
there
was
no
money
left
to
do
capital
projects
again
and
so
we'd
get
to
a
point
where
we
had
no
money
for
capital
projects.
Nothing
was
getting
fixed
in
the
capital
side
and
then
it
would
get
bad
enough
that
a
council
would
raise
the
sewer
rate
again
and
we
would
start
the
same
process
over
and
over
again.
B
So
in
2018.
One
of
the
things
that
I
insisted
on
is
that
we
put
a
cost
of
living
inflation
rate
on
there
and
I
actually
raised
it
above
the
cost
of
living
to
make
sure
that
we
had
enough
money
in
the
capital
fund
for
sewers.
Just
because
I
knew
all
these
problems
were
coming,
so
that
was
done
purposefully
and
intentionally
to
start
putting
money
into
a
sewer
capital
fund.
B
So
knowing
that
millions
and
millions
of
dollars
were
going
to
have
to
be
spent-
and
I
just
wanted
to
address
that
real
quick
because
I
know
there's
been
a
lot
of
funding
questions,
and
that
was
something
we
did
purposely
and
intentionally
to
put
more
money
into
that
capital
fund,
because
we
knew
we
were
going
to
have
to
start
fixing
all
this
stuff.
Sooner
than
later,
thanks.
S
I've
been
hearing
that
I've
been
people
are
having
a
hard
time
hearing
me
and
since
I
have
never
been
accused
of
being
soft-spoken
about
anything,
I
think
it
might
be
the
microphone.
So
I'm
using
this
other
one.
A
couple
of
questions:
does
the
iepa
provide
loans
for
anything
other
than
csos
I
mean,
would
they
be
a
source
of
funding
for
the
combined
sewers
that
are
not
csos.
V
The
epa
has
money
available
for
different
community
projects.
Obviously
certain
ones
that
are
you
know
coming
up
in
a
compliance
issue
like
the
combined
sewer
to
eliminate
that
would
probably
get
priority
over
others,
but
potentially
there's
funding
for
other
sewer
separation
projects
and
that
type
of
thing,
but
priority,
wise
and
and
how
how
you
know.
I
can't
speak
to
that
right
now,
but
there
is
a
lot
of
communities
that
seek
these
funds.
V
The
maze
field
cso,
we
will
we'll
get
into
some
other
things
next
week,
but
the
magefield
cso,
if,
if
you
know
where
mays
field
is
between
croxton
and
oakland,
there's
like
three
three
different
locations
along
florence,
kreitzer
mcgregor,
where
that
is
but
we'll
have
a
more
in-depth
slideshow
of
other
things
in
the
community
next
week,.
S
And
what
what
percentage
just
ballpark
of
of
the
cs's
do?
Csos
represent.
V
What
they
do
is
they
they
require
us
to
self-monitor,
so
we
have
to
every
time
there's
a
storm
we're
checking
and
now
now
we
can
do
it
with
no
more
modern
electronic
equipment,
but
back
in
the
day
we
actually
had
to
have
people
go
out
there
and
look
physically
look.
V
They
want
to
know
when
did
it
cso
for
how
long
and
how
many
gallons
estimated
went
over
that
cso
and
the
epa
rule
is
that
if,
if
it's
less
than
four
a
year,
they
will
allow
you
to
continue
to
operate
the
cso,
but
if
it's
more
than
four
a
year,
they
want
you
to
get
rid
of
it,
and
so
we
were
being
pushed
to
do
something
about
the
locus
colton,
which
is
why
that
was
the
next
project
mazefield.
We
just
in
the
last
year
have
more
modern
electronic
monitoring
equipment
in
there.
V
V
You
know
kind
of
its
ad
hoc
projects
right
now
to
see
what
we
can
do
to
maybe
mitigate
that
that
cso
without
having
to
go
to
as
much
effort
as
the
locus
colton
one
is,
but
I
just
wanted
to
be
up
front
with
everybody
that
those
are
the
two
csos
that
are
remaining
locus
colton
and
then
maysville.
S
So
just
two
more
questions:
one
can:
can
you
just
clarify?
Is
there
or
isn't
there
a
plan,
because
I'm
hearing
I've
heard
mixed
things,
but
is
there
or
isn't
there
a
plan
to
begin
addressing
css
that
are
not
csos.
V
Yeah,
the
the
remainder
of
the
combined
sewer
issues,
we're
going
to
talk
about
that
more
next
week
with
some
things,
but
the
you
know
the
sewer
and
stormwater
master
plan
from
2014
talks
about
a
lot
of
different
items
and
we'll
get
into
that
a
little
bit
more
next
week
there
there
is
no
set
schedule
for
for
separating
the
remaining
combined
sewers
or
even
necessarily
how
to
address
them,
because,
as
we'll
see
next
week,
just
you
know,
eliminating
combined
sewers
by
separating
them
doesn't
necessarily
fix
all
the
flooding
problems.
V
S
Thank
you
and
then
just
one
request
for
next
week.
It
I
found
it
very
helpful
again
to
see
the
the
map
where
all
the
combined
sewers
are
and
as
alderman
matthew
requested
for
a
topographical.
You
know
like
overlay
to
that.
I
would
also
really
love
to
have
a
third
overlay,
and
that
is
one
where
the
claims
that
were
called
in
to
pma
came
from
and
have
that
all
in
front
of
us.
V
Please
and-
and
that's
all
part
of
that
we're
trying
to
be
a
step
ahead
of
you,
but
I
appreciate
those
comments,
the
feedback
to
me
because
we'll
make
sure
to
have
those
slides,
but
that
is
the
plan,
not
only
the
pma
claims,
but
you
know
the
mclean
county
ema
did
that
flood
damage
survey.
So
we
have
those
plot.
Those
points
plotted
as
well,
because
that
the
pma
claims
a
lot
of
those
were
related
to
combined
sewer,
backups
and
basements.
V
S
And
if
we
could
get
some
numbers
dollar
figures
as
to
what
those
things
represent
in
terms
of
both
the
damage
to
people's
homes
and
property
and
some
dollar
figures
as
to
what
it
would
cost
to
correct
the
combined
sewers
throughout
the
city,
not
just
the
overflow
ones,
that
would
be
great.
Thank
you.
T
Thank
you,
hey
kevin
thanks
for
all
of
us.
Looking
at
your
diagrams
on
completing
a
single
phase.
Is
that
just
for
illustration,
or
does
that
reflect
the
actual
time
it
took
you
for
the
face
that
you're,
just
in
the
middle
of
right
now.
V
V
V
Right
administration
or
engineering-
or
you
know
all
all
that
stuff,
because
there
there's
a
lot
that
goes
into
you
know,
collecting
the
survey
data
preparing
the
plans,
doing
all
the
administrative
paperwork
before
and
after
and
so
forth.
So
yeah
there's
it's
a
lot
more
than
just
the
11
months
of
construction.
That's
the
part
that
people
see
because
it's
disrupting
their
lives,
as
you
know,
the
contractors
working
on
the
street
and
so
forth,
but
there's
a
lot
more
to
the
overall
process.
Yes,.
T
So,
just
looking
at
those
ratios,
I
mean
you've
got
basically
even
in
the
local
funding
state.
You've
got
twice
as
much
time,
23
months
on
the
design,
planning
and
then
the
after
work,
as
opposed
to
that
hands-on
time
of
11
months,
and
then,
of
course,
it's
just
exaggerating
even
more
when
you're,
using
the
iepa
funding.
The
reason
I'm
asking
that
is
what
has
to
happen
in
terms
of
process
improvements
to
compress
all
of
that
administrative
work,
pre-design
search
for
consulting,
etc
and
and
I'll
put
a
part
b
on
that.
T
As
we
talk
about
you
know,
you've
mentioned
the
ability
to
accelerate
four
and
five
they're
adjacent
they
could
be
designed
and
delivered
together
and
with
all
of
these
other
faces,
they're
adding
up
to
you
know
not
really
almost
what
you
did
in
that
first
phase,
when
you
combine
those
three
so
by
accelerating
all
of
that
and
putting
them
all
together,
we're
just
taking
out
taking
out
really
the
funding
to
save
that
nine
months.
Primarily.
V
Those
are
just
all
part
of
that
process.
So
you
know
when
you
start
adding
that
up.
That's
where
this
all
comes
into
play,
so
it's
not
as
simple
as
just
saying
you
know,
let's
just
say
that
the
engineer
has
to
get
it
done
in
a
month,
less
time
or
the
survey
takes
a
month,
less
we're
trying
to
share
stuff,
that's
fairly
realistic.
V
Could
we
compress
it
some
more
possibly
but
the
more
you
try
to
compress
it?
Usually,
then
your
costs
are
going
up
as
well,
because
just
like,
if
we
say
to
a
contractor,
get
this
project
built
in
six
months,
not
eleven
they'll,
say:
okay,
here's
your
unit
prices,
which
are
you
know,
fifty
percent
higher
than
it
would
have
been
if
we
didn't
ask
for
that,
so
those
are
all
factors
that
go
into
how
that
timeline
works
out.
T
If
we
all
are
in
alignment
in
terms
of
investing
in
correcting
this
issue,
would
it
be
possible
for
us
to
look
at
alternative
means
other
than
waiting
for
the
batch
and
queue
of
a
meeting
sequence,
adding
months
of
approvals,
and
things
like
that,
I
guess
I'm
just
challenging
the
innovation
of
the
opportunity
to
be
innovative
with
respect
to
how
we
work
around
the
23
months.
T
V
You
know
a
lot
a
lot
of
what
we
have
to
you
know.
Take
back
to
you
in
that
process
is
just
fix.
It's
not
something
I
can
necessarily
change,
but
certainly
we
can,
you
know,
talk
about
it
as
staff
to
how
that
would
get
get
done
quicker
and
the
engineering
like
I
say
I
mean
if
we
accelerate
it
for
our
consultant,
we're
potentially
paying
more
as
well,
because
there's
only
you
know
so
many
people
that
are
working
on
this
this
project.
V
That's
working
out
the
plans
but
they're
waiting
on
information
from
the
survey
crew
that
has
to
collect
stuff
in
the
field
and
then
they're
also
having
other
contractors
come
in
televise
all
the
sewers
get
information
about
those
assets
and
then
pulling
all
that
together
so
and
then,
in
the
end
of
that
is
also
the
plan
submitted
to
the
epa
for
their
approval
for
construction
permits
and
also
to
move
forward
with
the
loan.
So
there
might
be
a
little
bit
to
trim
there,
but
the
other.
V
You
know
before
christmas
type
of
thing,
ideally
even
sooner
than
that,
so
the
11
month
period
we're
always
wanting
to
hit
that
window,
because
if
we
hit
construction
start
in
september,
that
just
makes
a
mess,
because
having
roads
tore
up
through
the
winter
season
is
not
a
good
thing,
as
we
saw
with
phase
one.
V
Yeah,
so
with
phase
five
combined
into
phase
four,
with
the
contract
amendment.
For
the
engineer
we've
already
reached
out
to
the
engineer,
they
think
that
it's
very
feasible
to
do
that.
So
we
see
that
as
an
easy
win.
If
that
is
the
direction
that
you
want
staff
to
head,
you
know
we
should
be
able
to
bring
that
back
to
you
for
council
approval
very
quickly,
and
then
you
know
by
delivering
phase
four
and
five
together
right
there
alone,
we
saved
that
time
frame
that
we
would
have
waited
to
get
phase
five
going.
T
V
V
You'll
see
when
I
show
you
some
exhibits
next
week:
the
collection
system.
How,
because
that's
what
we
call
it
is
the
sewer
collection
system,
how
it
gets
bigger
kind
of
like
you
know,
you
see
with
rivers,
you
see
the
mississippi
is
huge,
but
as
it
branches
out
into
the
different
watersheds,
it
gets
smaller.
The
sewers
kind
of
do
the
same
thing,
so
anything
that
you
separate
upstream,
affects
downstream,
and
so
by
taking
out
this
area
and
separating
the
sewer
from
the
storm.
V
The
storm
water
now
just
goes
to
sugar
creek
directly
and
doesn't
flow
through
the
pipes
to
the
to
the
plant
on
the
west
side
any
longer.
So
the
more
that
that
happens,
then
the
more
benefit
there
is
to
the
downstream
properties
as
well,
because
now
they're
not
getting
that
storm
flow
and
it
combines
sewer,
that's
overflowing
on
them
downstream.
C
V
You
know
so
so
eight
is
flowing
through
that
whole
system
and,
as
was
mentioned,
we're
working
from
in
generally
from
downstream
to
upstream,
and
we
have
to
have
the
pipes
to
connect
the
separated
sewers
into
as
we
work
our
way
up.
So
eight
is
really
important
because
it
affects
everything
that
is
is
being
separated
all
the
way
up
to
it
and
allows
us
to
actually
finally
close
off
down
there
at
locust
street
and
separate
the
the
sanitary
and
the
combo
sewer,
which
becomes
a
storm
sewer
now
phase.
V
Nine
is
a
little
bit
different
phase:
nine
ties
into
a
colton
and
a
sewer
along
colton
and
also
some
storm
water.
Through
there
so
phase
nine
has
an
effect
on
the
whole
watershed
or
sewer
shed
there.
But
it's
not
it's
not
in
the
same
way
that
it's
tied
together
with
all
the
other
phases.
One
through
eight,
are
all
connected
in
a
big
long
string.
V
If
you
will
phase
nine
is
kind
of
off
to
the
side,
and
that's
why
it
can
be
kind
of
done
last,
but
they're
all
important
to
be
able
to
reduce.
You
know
the
amount
of
combined
sewer
in
that
area,
so
that
more
is
separated
and
then
we're
just
left
with
separated
sanitary
flow.
V
V
V
Yeah
I
mean
there's
economies
of
scales
was
mentioned
before,
whether
you
know
it's
doing
the
design,
work
or
the
approvals
or
you
know
even
the
contractor,
there's
potentially
economies
of
scale
and
then
there's
a
scale
where
it
gets
too
big.
Where
all
of
a
sudden
now
we
can't
deliver
the
project
in
a
timely
fashion
or
that
type
of
thing.
So
there's
some
happy
media
and
that's
why
I
wanted
to
share
with
you.
V
You
know
when
we
combined
one
six
and
seven
together
how
massive
a
project
that
was
and
how
it
actually
took
two
construction
seasons
to
deliver
and
some
of
the
negative
impacts
for
you
know
the
people
that
live
in
those
streets
and
so
forth,
but
just
wanted
to
give
idea
of
the
scales
and
and
stuff
of
the
different
projects,
and
we
think
that
four
and
five
together
is
doable
and
workable.
For
you
know,
delivering
in
that
time
frame.
A
Okay,
thank
you,
council,
member
emig,
and
it
looks
like
we
have
only
about
a
minute
left
for
for
this.
So
is
there
a
motion
to
extend
time
I'll
make
that
motion?
Okay,
a
second
okay,
second,
by
councilmember
ward,
but
I'm
curious
to
please
call
the
roll.
How
much
time
oh.
C
F
Thank
you
for
this
presentation
and
your
responses
earlier
helped
me
understand
some
of
this
a
little
bit
better,
but
I'm
going
to
ask
just
for
clarity
so
to
make
sure
absolutely
sure
I
understand
so
the
the
locus
colton
combined
sewer
project
and
considering
all
of
these
phases
are
you
telling
us
that
there
are
ways
to
accelerate
it
good
and
second,
that,
if
we're
able
to
complete
this
on
the
network
of
combined
sewers
that
we
have
in
much
of
our
older
neighborhoods,
the
the
sewage
will
no
longer
be
kind
of
mixed
in
with
the
storm
water.
F
V
And
really
that
that's
going
to
be
something
I'm
going
to
cover
more
in
depth
next
next
week,
just
a
short
answer
to
that
is
that
you
know
we
had
so
much
rain
that
we
in
some
areas
had
basement
backups
from
the
combined
sewer,
but
in
other
areas
we
had
surface
flooding
too.
So,
in
other
words,
some
people
got
a
double
whammy.
If
you
will
they
got
it
up
through
their
basement,
but
they
also
got
it
in
through
the
basement
windows,
for
instance,.
V
V
Is
this
just
sewage
that
came
up
through
a
floor
grain
or
a
toilet
in
the
basement?
Or
is
it
also
flooding
that
came
from
the
surface
you
know,
and
and
so,
if
it's
surface
flooding
in
addition
to
it
now,
just
separating
the
sewer
doesn't
fix
it
because
you're
still
not
taking
care
of
this
great
amount
of
runoff
that
occurred,
and
so
there's
going
to
be
other
aspects
that
we'll
talk
about
next
week
and
and
approaches
of
how
we
might
consider
that.
But
let
me
just
leave
you
with
that
for
not
every
neighborhood.
V
F
Want
we
want
to
prevent
all
flooding,
but
especially
flooding
with
the
word
pee
in
it
right,
so
the
the
long
the
master
plan
from
2014
is:
is
that
in
essence,
the
the
plan
that
we
submit
to
the
epa
and
the
iepa
to
demonstrate
that
we
have
we
have.
We
are
committed
to
making
progress
right,
that
we're
monitoring
and
working
to
redress.
This
problem.
V
Yeah,
the
the
2014
master
plan
was
was
more
of
that
overall
sewer
and
stormwater
for
the
whole
community.
There's
other
aspects
that
that
plan
addresses
or
talks
about
the
actual
plan
for
like
the
locus
colton
area,
was
done
before
that,
and
that
was
the
plan
that
was
discussed
with
the
epa
for
that
particular
area.
V
So
the
other
master
plan
is
not
necessarily
approved
by
the
epa
or
anything.
It
doesn't
necessarily
line
out
to
separate
all
the
sewers
but
talks
about
general.
You
know
flooding
issues
across
the
community
and
suggest
some
ideas
that
might
be
used
that
need
to
be
engineered
further
or
studied
further,
but
give
some
suggestions
there,
but
also
talks
about
some
other
issues
like
I
and
I
influence
infiltration
and
I'd
like
to
leave
some
of
that
for
next
week,
because
I
don't
want
to
make
it
go
too
long
tonight,
but
right
all
good
questions.
F
Well,
my
so,
my
final
question
is
just
considering
that
and
I
do
understand
there
are
lots
of
levers
to
push
for
the
flooding
of
all
kinds
that
that
there
are
a
lot
of
green
solutions.
F
If
you
will
right,
like
even
in
the
last
couple
of
years
in
communities
that
are
having
similar
problems,
the
green
storm
water
system
or
how
to
accelerate
the
or
ways
to
remedy
the
storm
water
from
even
infiltrating
the
combined
system
like
whether
it's
constructing
some
additional
mechanism
or
a
sponge,
if
you
will
the
reservoirs
or
the
basins
that
we've
we've
created
already
creating
wetlands,
even
like,
like
that,
just
systemically
there
might
be
other
other
levers
to
consider
that
would
not
only
speed
up
the
process
might
be
more
affordable,
certainly
more
environmentally
sound,
but
could
just
worthy
of
consideration.
A
Thank
you,
okay,
thank
you.
Councilmember
crabill
and
councilmember
crumpler,
and
we
have
nine
minutes
left
so
you're
gonna
have
to
move
fast.
N
Thank
you
mayor
and
thanks
kevin
for
the
presentation.
I
really
thought
this
this
was,
you
know,
really
got
us
somewhere
and
got
us
to
where
you
know,
potential
possibilities
right
that
we
may
have
a
couple
of
questions
that
one
of
the
public
commenters
asked
about.
V
Well,
I
I
think
it's
a
map
that
he
got.
You
know
from
engineering,
and
you
know
the
the
green
is
you
know
the
what
we
would
consider
a
a
separate
sanitary
sewer
in
the
sense
that
it
has
no
storm
water
inlet
tied
to
it,
and
then
the
purple
is,
is
the
combined
sewer
and
so
green
naturally
runs
into
purple,
because
most
of
the
old
parts
of
bloomington
are
combined
sewers.
V
So
as
as
we
go
through
and
separate,
those
neighborhoods
we'll
turn
turn
that
into
storm
sewer
and
sanitary
sewers
that
are
dedicated
and
run
down
to
a
certain
point
where,
eventually,
the
sanitary
sewer
does
go
back
into
a
combo
sewer
at
some
point
until
the
whole
whole
city
is
potentially
separated
someday.
Maybe.
N
V
Yeah
well,
as
I
understand
part
of
this
question,
was
that
some
of
the
eastgate
neighborhood
actually
has
an
alleyway.
If
you
will
an
easement
in
the
backyards
that
contains,
in
some
cases
the
sewer
and
the
water
lines,
the
public,
sewer
and
water
lines.
So
I
think
part
of
the
question
was
well.
How
do
you
accomplish
building
new
lines
and
if
all
the
lines
go
to
the
back
and
stuff
and
honestly
that
that
engineering
hasn't
been
done
by
the
consultant
yet
on
that
aspect?
N
Gotcha
gotcha-
and
I
know
next
next
week
we're
going
to
talk
about
some.
I
guess
non
right,
you're
saying
non,
you
know:
separation,
type
of
work,
detention,
ponds,
things
like
that,
and
I'm
just
also
wondering
have
we
looked
at.
Maybe
in
the
slide
you
talked
about
all
the
different
cities
that
are
dealing
with
this.
What
are
other
cities
doing
right?
That
could
be
helpful
enough
making
making
decisions
and
then
I'll
just
kind
of
finish
with.
N
I
know
that
you
know
you
showed
the
cost
of
about
25
million
to
for
the
entire
project
right
and
we've
talked
about.
Well,
is
this
something
we
want
to
use
the
federal
money
for
which
will
ultimately
total
around
14
million
and
and
this
this
will
take
care
of
probably
not
very
many
miles
of
the
85
miles
right.
L
N
And
I
know
it'll
help
with
what's
going
on
in
other
parts
of
the
city,
but
I
I
do
think,
even
though
I
represent
eastgate's
residents
for
sure
that
we're
not
spending
all
this
money
just
to
fix
a
problem
on.
You
know
in
the
eastgate
area,
on
the
east
side
that
we're
also
looking
at
how
we
can
start
solving
the
problem.
You
know
in
the
rest
of
the
city.
I
know
that's
what
we're
talking
about
next
week,
but
I
just
that
kind
of
thought
came
to
me.
As
you
know,
what
can
we
can?
N
U
U
You
know
that
that
you're
involved
in
and
and
appreciate
it
I'm
in
ways
that
I
hadn't
before
I
just
have
one
question,
and
you
know
I've
listened
the
last
few
weeks
to
you,
know
our
neighbors
from
east
gate
and
tonight
tonight
our
neighbors
from
the
west
side
and
one
of
the
things
that's
really
stood
out
for
me
is-
and
I've
heard
this
from
other
council
members
is
the
need
to
try
to
accelerate
things
that
this
amount
of
rainfall
has
created
a
crisis.
That's
unprecedented
and
I
think
about
my
own
home.
U
If
I
had
experienced
the
kinds
of
damage
that
I've
heard
described,
I
would
just
I
would
be
horrified,
so
I
want
to
come
back
to
something
that
councilmember
motni
brought
up
and
just
completing
a
single
phase,
and
I
understand
that
you
know
there
are
seasonal
issues
and
loan
issues
if
we're
working
with
ipa,
but
in
the
in
the
second
sort
of
a
bar
graph,
we
have
scheduling
with
local
funding.
U
You
know,
I'm
wondering
you
know
if,
if
they're,
without
sacrificing
integrity-
or
you
know
the
quality
of
any
project,
would
there
be
ways
to
try
to
reduce
the
time
for
pre-design
and
design
because
we're
talking
about
15
months,
right
and-
and
I
understand
that
you
know
you're
working
with
engineering
firms
and
there
are
a
lot
of
unknowns.
U
But,
for
example,
if
we
were
working
with
local
funding,
would
there
be
financial
incentives
to
try
to
make
that
process
move
more
quickly
or
you
know
to
work
with
someone
who
could
help
that
process
move
more
quickly?
Would
that
be
a
possibility.
V
There
there's
always
the
possibility
that
if
you
want
to
pay
more,
you
can
get
something
done
quicker
right,
because
I
mean
right.
The
the
reality
is
that,
whether
it's
a
contract
or
a
consultant,
if
they're
going
to
pay
their
people
to
work
overtime,
whether
it
be
a
longer
day
or
you
know
the
weekend
on
a
saturday,
you'll
get
something
quicker,
but
we
just
with
those
bar
graphs,
are
just
showing
in
generalities
the
typical
amount
of
time
that
it
takes.
I.
U
Understand
that
so
what
I
hear
you
saying
is
it's
theoretically
or
potentially
would
be
possible
to
reduce
that
with
the
right
amount
of
with
with
the
proper
kinds
of
incentives
or.
V
A
Okay,
thank
you,
kevin
and
just
one
one
last
question
before
we
let
you
go,
I'm
sure
you're
eager
to
go
back
to
your
city.
You've
been
standing
for
a
long
time
and
thank
you
so
much
would
there
be
any
benefit
to
since
we're
gonna,
be
you
know
we're
thinking
about
doing
this.
Much
extensive
work
to
to
do
have
some
of
this
work
done
in-house
for
a
period
of
time
like
to
design,
and
you
know,
hire
the
people
who
can
do
it.
V
V
As
we
look
at
the
staff
resources
we
have
today,
we'll
probably
even
have
to
hire
some
consultants
to
help
us
with
construction
inspection.
So
if,
if
we
had
better
staffing,
yes,
we
could
do
some
of
this
work
in-house
the
way
we
are
right.
Now
we
can
just
with
the
engineers
and
everybody
we
have
just
manage
the
consultant
resources
and
you
know
manage
these
projects
to
get
them
delivered.
Now
we
do.
P
V
Smaller
projects
in-house
that
that
don't
involve
as
much
complexity,
we
would
love
to
take
some
of
these
on
in-house.
Just
don't
have
the
staff
resources
to
do
that
right
now,.
R
I
do
mayor
older
woman
matany's
comments
about
process
that
were
followed
up
by
alderman
crumpler
and
please
don't
hold
me
to
this,
but
you
know
there
might
be
a
way
to
shave
some
time
off
of
the
process
and
I
don't
know
exactly
what
this
looks
like,
but
we
just
did
this
recently,
where
more
authority
was
granted
to
me
and
right
away
acquisition,
so
project
specific,
different
things
that
diff
typically
come
before
council
for
approval.
R
That
might
be
something
to
consider,
but
kevin
sharing.
You
know
the
the
cause
for
efficiency
or
the
cost
for
expediency
in
this
there's
a
price
for
that.
But
setting
here
was
thinking,
maybe
some
project
specific
approvals.
It
could
be
something
that's
granted.
A
R
Thank
you
mayor
and
council.
I
I
do
have
a
couple
of
comments.
One
one
to
share
just
an
update
related
to
the
covid
pandemic.
R
The
health
department
will
be
standing
down
the
mass
vaccination
model
at
our
arena
after
the
two
mobile
clinics
also
they're,
paying
very
close
attention
to
the
call
or
a
need
for
vaccination,
and
everything
related
to
you
know
the
numbers
that
we're
currently
seeing
that
we
fully
expect
to
trim
trend
upward
with
the
return
of
students
this
week
at
isu
and
both
westland.
R
So
that's
one
item
more
to
come
on
that
also
wanted
to
share
a
press
release
that
was
put
out
today
at
five
o'clock
and
that
is
the
police
chief
selection
update
the
selection
team.
That's
helping
me
with
this
process.
R
We
have
we've
reduced
down
to
two
finalists
and
in
this
very
room
next
week,
prior
to
the
committee
of
the
hole
somewhere
around
4
30
to
5,
30
or
even
four
o'clock
to
5
45-ish,
there's
going
to
be
a
meet
and
greet
with
the
two
finalists
and
the
two
finalists
are
colonel
jamal
simmington
with
state
police
currently
holds
a
deputy
director
position
with
state
police
20
20-25
year
veteran
of
the
illinois
state
police
prior
to
going
to
the
state.
R
The
other
candidate
is
police
chief
kenny
winslow
and
he
is
a
career
employee
of
the
city
of
springfield
and
holds
that
position
has
held
that
position
since
2013..
So
down
the
home
stretch
on
this
selection.
I'm
going
to
do
a
meet
and
greet
here
as
promised
to
the
community
mass
will
probably
be
required.
R
We'll
have
some
social
distancing,
but
very
much
wanted
this
to
be
a
public
setting
for
this
selection
and
then
also
going
to
create
a
portal
for
a
public
input
prior
to
the
offer
being
extended
to
the
selected
candidate.
But
both
men
are
excellent
candidates
and
going
to
take
an
already
great
department,
I
believe,
to
the
next
level
so
very
excited.
Thank
you.
R
I
forgot
my
slides
here.
E
R
Saturdays
on
the
square
august
14th
north,
mississippi,
all-stars-
this
is
something
that's
been
well
attended,
quite
the
buzz
downtown
and
all
the
different
events
next
slide.
Please,
I
think
I've
got
two
more
ohani
first
friday
september
3rd
is
our
next
one.
We
just
did
have
our
first
friday
this
past
friday.
That
was
well
attended,
but
this
one's
the
next
one
and
then
the
final
slide,
a
tour
to
chocolate.
This
was
postponed
and
is
going
to
be
september
17th.
R
So,
while
this
is
a
rescheduled
event,
we're
also
going
to
do
this
in
the
memory
in
honor
of
two
of
the
former
bloomington
mayors
that
have
recently
passed,
and
that's
mayor,
markowitz
and
also
mayor
buchanan,
so
we're
combining
that
with
the
tour
de
chocolate
that
will
occur
september
17th.
Thank
you,
mayor.
A
Thank
you
and
I
only
have
a
just
one
thing
in
terms
of
mayor's
comments.
The
application
process
is
ongoing
for
ward
6
vacancy
for
full
considerations.
Applicants
were
asked
to
turn
in
their
application
by
august
13th,
which
is
friday,
after
which
you
know
the
names
will
be
shared
with
the
public,
so
that's
kind
of
where
we
are,
and
I
believe
applications
are
in
the
single
digits
at
the
moment.
O
Yeah
I
just
I
met
with
representatives
from
ferrero
this
week
last
week.
Very
gracious.
They
want
to
be
very
involved
in
the
community,
which
is
great
and
I
believe,
they're
going
to
do
groundbreaking
in
september,
and
I
was
told
that
the
whole
southwest
side
is
going
to
smell
like
chocolate.
F
Thank
you
mayor.
I
just
want
to
shout
out
to
the
naacp
youth
council
that
was
created
and
celebrated.
Last
saturday
it
was
an
incredible
ceremony.
I
was
really
proud
to
be
there.
S
Yes,
I
would
like
to
formally
request
and
I'll
put
this
forward
as
a
council
member
initiative,
if
I
need
to,
but
I'd
like
to
formally
request
that
we
look
into
the
possibility
of
returning
to
having
some
virtual
public
comments.
S
I've
asked
around
informally
among
some
council
members,
and
it
seems
like
there's
some
support
for
that,
and
I
really
would
like
to
see
that
happen
again.
There
were
a
number
of
people
from
ward
7
anyway,
who
weren't
able
to
to
speak
tonight
because
they
they
they're
immune,
compromised
and
they're,
not
able
to
come
in
person
or
they
have
other
other
health
concerns.
S
And
while
we
do
accept
public
comments
in
the
form
of
emails
to
council
members,
unfortunately,
those
aren't
read
to
the
public,
and
so
it
it
prevents.
I
think
that
us
from
benefiting
from
the
the
interchange
in
the
conversation
so
I'd
like
to
formally
request
that,
and
I
want
to
share
with
you
just
a
paragraph
from
from
amy
scott
who's,
a
resident
of
ward
7,
who
spoke
on
the
or
who
wrote
and
I'll
share
the
entire
email
with
the
council.
S
She
said
I've
lived
in
this
house
61
years
and
I've
seen
it
get
worse
and
worse,
it
isn't
about
the
rainstorm
of
the
century.
It's
about
antiquated,
combined
sewer
systems
in
the
older
areas
that
need
upgraded.
S
When
my
great
great
grandfather,
william
sprague,
installed
many
of
these
sewers,
they
did
a
fine
job,
but
it's
almost
100
years
later
and
we
need
to
modernize
our
sewer
systems
here
in
the
older
parts
of
the
city.
This
is
now
causing
health
risks
to
so
many
citizens
in
our
community.
It
breaks
my
heart
to
see
how
the
city
has
turned
its
backs
on
the
people,
your
citizens,
the
people
who
need
you
most,
who
have
trusted
you
to
do
the
right
thing.