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December 9, 2013 - City Council Meeting
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A
A
B
B
Here,
thank
you
very
much.
We're
going
to
actually
go
ahead
and
start
with
public
comment.
We
have
three
people
who
have
asked
to
speak
and
our
typical
time
limit
is
three
minutes.
So
if
you
could
keep
your
remarks
for
three
minutes,
we'd
certainly
appreciate
it.
I'm
going
to
start
with
mr
phil
bolds.
I
wonder
if
you
could
come
forward
and
again
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record.
Please.
D
D
D
I
really
do
wish
that
that
statement
were
true,
but
it
is
not
in
reviewing
and
comparing
this
plan
to
the
previously
released
downtown
strategy
february
24th
to
2010,
for
the
public
record,
I'd
like
to
state
that
the
cover
is,
the
cover
is
the
same.
The
pictures
illustrations,
charts
are
the
same.
Many
of
the
pages
are
identical,
although
two
little
words
form
based
have
been
removed.
The
concept
is
the
same
specifically.
D
Let
me
bring
your
attention
to
a
chart
on
page
65
that
states
adopt
a
zoning
code
overlay
that
captures
the
scale
and
character
of
historic,
downtown
bloomington
buildings
and
provides
appropriate
parameters
for
new
development,
a
zoning
code
overlay,
what
zoning
code
overlay
either
this
zoning
code
overlay,
is
indeed
the
form
based
code
or
a
like
product
of
recent
code.
Definition
changes
to
affect
the
same
outcome.
D
B
F
My
name
is
alton
franklin.
I
live
at
508
patterson
drive
here
in
bloomington
illinois,
a
few
things
on
my
mind,
one
of
the
things
that
jumped
out
at
me
and
there
are
very
few
people
that
I
think,
admire
mr
mandela.
As
much
as
I
do,
he
was
a
remarkable
man.
He
did
amazing
things
but
simple
point.
In
fact,
I
don't
believe
that
the
american
flag
should
be
lowered,
even
in
honor
of
somebody
as
great
as
mr
mandela
he's
not
an
american
citizen.
F
That's
an
american
flag,
that's
all
I'll,
say
on
it.
Coming
to
matters
more
immediate,
to
echo
a
certain
portion
of
the
previous
person
who
was
up
here.
If
it
walks
like
a
duck
and
quacks
like
a
duck,
you
can
call
it
a
goose
all.
You
want
to
a
simple
point.
In
fact,
is
there
have
been
a
few
tweaks
and
minor
tweaks
at
that?
F
I
was
stunned
and
I
must
say
gratified
with
alderwoman,
mcdade
and
alderman
sage's
entries
in
the
question
and
answers
for
the
council
meeting.
I
think
they
brought
up
some
very
salient
points
that
I
think
need
to
be
addressed,
and
I
would
concur-
and
I
would
add
my
voice
in
agreement
and
in
recommending
that
this
be
tabled
until
such
time
as
more
thought
can
be
given
to
it,
and
we
can
see
something
that
does
not
change
the
name
and
the
song
still
stays
the
same.
F
One
last
thing
there's
been
a
lot
of
talk
about
changing
the
way
that
we
have
our
representation
set
up,
and
I
will
say
it
was
it
was
somewhat.
I
don't
know
it
was
confusing,
but
at
the
same
time
there
was
a
little
bit
of
light
to
it
in
that
person
mentioned
that
they
stepped
out
the
door,
they
became
a
private
citizen.
Well,
I
got
news
for
you
folks.
If
you
haven't
already
figured
it
out,
you
were
elected
to
represent
the
people
that
makes
you
a
private
citizen.
F
However,
you
are
placed
in
an
area
where
you
have
a
substantial
amount
of
influence
and,
as
such,
it
ill
behooves
you
to
utilize
that
status
for
a
personal
agenda.
I
don't
believe
it's
appropriate
to
say
we're
going
to
add.
50
percent
account
to
a
citizen
to
a
alderman's
50,
more
citizens
to
an
alderman's
representation
and
then
cut
three
loose
on
the
street
to
do
as
a
damn.
Well,
please
and
say
what
they
want
to,
because
it's
in
the
best
city
of
in
the
best
interest
of
the
city
as
a
whole.
F
G
B
H
H
D
H
H
In
the
calendar
were
29.,
the
number
of
meetings
that
did
not
occur
were
five.
That
17
did
not
occur,
means
called
the
order
by
the
city
manager
was
six
and
that's
20
percent
means
called
order
by
the
city
manager
with
both
both
or
either
the
mayor
or
the
mayor.
Pro
tem
present
at
the
meeting
was
four
thirteen
point.
Seven.
H
The
number
of
times
attendance
by
four
members
of
the
council,
five,
seventeen
point,
two
four
percent
number
of
times
the
tens
of
three
members
of
the
council
13
44.83
number
of
times
the
tens
of
two
members
of
the
council,
which
was
not
a
quorum.
Five.
Seventeen
point
four
percent:
the
number
of
meetings
found
in
violation
of
the
open
semeniac
to
date
that
we
know
of
is
one
and
to
me.
H
If
you
violate
the
state
law
of
illinois,
which
is
the
open
means,
act
in
a
literal
translation
of
chapter
2,
section
10
of
the
city
code
of
bloomington
violations
of
the
code,
any
officer
violating
any
provision
of
this
coach
I'll
be
deemed
guilty
of
misconduct
in
office
and
liable
for
the
removal.
Therefore,
that's
how
serious
the
open
meetings
act?
The
city
code
should
be
to
all
of
you.
H
B
B
B
B
B
B
Moving
right
along,
we
have
item
8a
approval
of
the
2013
tax
levy
in
the
amount
of
23
million
thousand
and
sixty
six
dollars,
and
we
have
allocated
approximately
ten
minutes.
I
do
wanna
just
say
as
a
very
brief
comment,
that,
regardless
of
perhaps
some
of
the
difficulties
in
funding
that
the
city
might
face,
we
have,
as
a
council
at
this
point,
unanimously
decided
that
we
want
to
hold
a
line
on
property
taxes
for
all
kinds
of
reasons.
B
We
don't
think
that
they're
a
good
source
of
revenue,
only
14
percent
of
the
city's
budget
comes
from
property
taxes,
but
we
want
to
keep
ourselves
non-reliant
on
them
and
also
approximately
the
same
percentage
about
14
of
what
you
pay
in
property.
Taxes
comes
to
us
just
as
an
informational
point.
Is
there
a
motion
to
to
approve
this
recommendation,
move
by
alderman
fazzini?
Is
there
a
second?
Yes?
Second,
by
all
the
woman
schmidt,
okay
discussion,
I
would
like
to
speak
okay,
seeing
no
discussion.
Madam
clerk,
would
you
please
call
the
role?
B
B
Okay
motion
carries
nine
zero.
Thank
you
moving
right
along
solid
waste
program
and
text
amendment
to
chapter
one
that
is
refuse
is
there?
Obviously,
we've
got
30
minutes
and
I
know
we've
been
dealing
with
this
for
quite
a
while,
but
I
won't
be
terribly
draconian,
but
I'm
going
to
try
to
keep
us
to
close
to
30
minutes
depending
on
who
wants
to
speak
to
this?
First
of
all,
is
there
a
motion
to
approve
this
so
moved,
move
by
alderman
black?
B
G
G
You
know
some
folks,
just
aren't
are
going
to
get
the
kind
of
raises
and
and
and
have
the
type
of
extra
money
to
perhaps
be
able
to
to
jump
from.
You
know
nine
dollars
a
month
in
in
some
situations,
and
so
my
concern
is
to
try
to
give
folks
an
opportunity
to
ease
into
that.
I
mean
I'm
willing
to
support
the
fees
as
presented.
G
B
No,
no,
no,
no
apologies
at
all.
If,
if
I
could
just
clarify
and
then
alderman
black
and
schmidt,
can
it
weigh
in
as
we
were
reconsidering
this
and
then
kind
of
each
touching
base
with
alderman?
We
wanted
to
the
the
principle.
Was
we
wanted
to
have
something
that
frankly,
we
could
all
live
with,
not
necessarily
something
any
of
us
liked,
and
we
wanted
to
try
to
close
that
gap,
and
there
were
several
principles
that
we
were
guided.
B
We
pretty
much
wanted
to
leave
the
service
intact
and
if
you
don't
have
a
copy
of
this,
this
is
kind
of
a
summary
of
it
and
there
are
some
at
the
very
end.
So,
basically,
we
left
bulk
waste
almost
intact
bulk
waste.
Now
it's
every
week,
you'd
pay
25
for
the
second
scoop,
rather
than
the
third
scoop
and
brush
we
didn't
and
leaf.
We
didn't
touch
basically
we're
keeping
the
same
subsidy
or
excuse
me,
the
same
service.
B
The
subsidy
changed
so
the
if
I
can
clarify
the
these
aren't
dollar
amounts
that
are
chosen
out
of
the
air.
The
the
25
came
from
that's
about
what
it
cost,
so
essentially
the
logic
would
be
if
you
have
to
have
a
95
gallon.
Can
the
general
fund
isn't
going
to
subsidize
you
if
you
can
live
with
16,
you
don't
pay
any
more
and
we'll
be
happy
to
give
you
another
recycle
bin.
B
If
that
helps
you
to
live
within
your
you
know,
within
the
16
and
then
in
the
middle
was
the
21.,
so
that
was
where
those
came
from.
I
think
the
reason
why
and
again,
alderman
schmidt
and
black
can
weigh
in
on
this,
that
there
wasn't
a
graduated
schedule
is
because
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
had
a
proposal
that
would
incentivize
recycling,
and
so
we
thought,
if,
oh,
if
you
went
from
16
to
19
to
25,
you
know
three
bucks,
maybe
I'll
go
ahead
and
get
the
larger
can.
B
L
Black,
thank
you,
mr
mayor
yeah.
I
think
that's
a
pretty
fair
assessment
of
where
we're
at
to
be
clear.
When
we
talk
about
the
different
cart
sizes,
we're
definitely
trying
to
incentivize
recycling
and
producing
less
waste
and
the
conversation
that
we
had
had
you
know
we,
I
didn't
see
a
clear
path
of.
How
can
we
charge
you
know
this
one
one
year
this
next
year
to
that
next
year.
I
wanted
to
be
as
clear
as
crystal
for
this
so
looking
forward
over
the
next
three
fiscal
years.
L
B
I
think
if
I
could
clarify
just
to
clarify
for
the
audience
the
the
original
proposal
that
sense
that
we
were
reacting
to
eventually
would
even
increase
the
16
gallons.
So
in
other
words,
we
wanted
to
keep
an
option
so
that
citizens
could
stay
at
16
and
be
reasonably
certain
that
that
wasn't
going
to
to
increase.
K
A
different
subject:
philosophically:
we
have
automated
equipment
and
we
have
one
driver
instead
of
three
drivers
and
yet
we're
putting
stickers
on
bags,
which
means
the
driver
is
going
to
have
to
get
out
of
the
truck,
and
it
isn't
no
longer
going
to
be
automated.
I
don't
philosophically
that
doesn't
match
for
me,
so
I'd
be
against
that.
If
that
were
the
only
problem
in
the
whole
thing,
I
would
vote
for
this,
but
I
am
against
that.
B
Party,
just
just
as
just
to
clarify
the
logic,
if
I
might
initially,
we
did
not
had
not
included
stickers
and
then,
as
we
went
to
kind
of
the
second
and
third
phase
of
drafting
and
re-drafting,
we
we
did
receive
feedback,
particularly
over
thanksgiving.
Many
people
said
hey.
I
can
live
with
35
gallons
throughout
most
of
the
year,
but
there
are
times
if
I've
got
a
family
reunion
or
thanksgiving
or
maybe
christmas.
B
I
may
need
to
throw
out
a
couple
more
bags,
and
so
I'd
like
to
have
that,
and
it
does
incorporate
a
little
bit
more
of
an
over
pay-as-you-throw
concept
to
the
system
so
that
that
was
the
logic
for
it.
But
you're
right,
I'm
sure
you
know
jim
karcz
would
would
agree
that
it
would
it's
going
to
slow
down
some
of
this.
It's
not
probably
we'll
still
have
one
person
per
truck.
It's
just
going
to
slow
down
the
delivery
a
little
bit.
You
know,
okay!
Well,
let
me
see
who
well
alderman
sage.
M
Just
like
just
a
moment
mayor,
I'm
a
bit
troubled
because
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
areas
really
highly
defined
here,
and
I
understand
that
that
you
know
the
intent
may
be
that
we
come
back
and
revisit
this
and
we've
discussed
that.
But
we
don't
really
have
to
my
knowledge,
a
real
good
history
of
coming
back
and
changing
these
ordinances
after
we've
got
a
little
experience
with
it.
So
I
would
just
like
to
go
on
the
record.
M
The
intent
here,
if
I
am
to
to
vote
yes,
is
that
we
need
to
come
back
in
six
months
and
revisit
this,
and
at
least
have
this
discussion
again
and
see
how
our
citizens
are
handling.
What
we
have
done
here,
one
of
the
things
that
that
david
and
I
did
discuss
was
a
phased
in
approach.
I
think
that
probably
is
a
good
idea.
I'm
very
concerned
about
how
we're
going
to
service
our
customers
downtown.
M
M
B
If
I
may
make
a
comment
on
one
of
your
earlier
points,
certainly
there
is
it's
very
difficult
to
have
any
kind
of
recycling
one
downtown,
and
I
had
an
earlier
discussion
and
commitment
to
older
woman
stearns
and
to
all
the
women
schmidt.
I
had
asked
them.
I
said
you
know
after
regardless
of
what
happens
here,
what
version
of
this
we
would
pass
tonight?
B
Have
some
recycling
containers
at
the
coliseum
have
other
deal
with
apartments
and
other
issues,
and
I
think
they
without
speaking
out
of
school,
I
think
they've
both
given
me
an
agreement
and
I've
made
a
commitment
to
all
the
women's
terms
that
we
do
that
alderman
middle
wombway
and
then
alderwoman
schmidt
and
then
alderman
fruin,
and
then,
if
there's
an
alternative
motion,
substitute
motion
I'll
entertain
that
at
that
time,
alderman
one
boy.
Okay,.
N
N
I
think
it
is.
I
would
say
that
it's,
it's
a
very
I'm
losing
my
words
at
the
moment.
Well,
we're
not
going
to
make
everybody
happy
with
this
particular
situation.
Whatever
vote
we
choose
initially,
I
I
had
some
concerns
about
the
95,
gallon
cart
and
jumping
to
such
a
big
increase
more
than
50
percent.
N
As
you
know,
I
have
a
large
family,
but
this
is
not
about
me,
but
I'm
thinking
about
you
know
there
are
a
couple
of
families
around
the
corner
from
me
who
have.
I
know
some
have
four
others.
Five
and
six
so
producing
waste
at
at
some
point
is
not
necessarily
a
function
of
them
being
wasteful,
but
it's
just
a
function
of
having
large
numbers.
So
I
was
a
little
worried
about
penalizing
those
individuals
just
because
they
have
a
large
family.
N
If
you
know
anything
about
europe,
for
example,
you
have
to
be
very
careful
about
policies
that
you
put
in
place
that
make
it
more
expensive
for
folks
to
live
in
a
particular
place,
and
so
to
me
that
that
was
one
of
the
the
initial
concerns
that
I
had
about
that.
So
if
we
were
able
to
phase
that
in
and
you're
open
to
that
amendment,
I
think
that'd
be
great.
N
The
other
thing,
too,
that
I'm
thinking
about
is
the
the
possible
other
increases
that
not
necessarily
bloomington
is
considering,
but
other
entities
are
considering
as
well.
So
when
you
put
all
of
those
together,
it
makes
the
situation
a
little
bit
less
tenable
for
people,
so
I'm
an
advocate
of
people
being
able
to
to
at
least
get
used
to
the
change
and
plan,
and
let
them
know
what's
coming
ahead.
N
I
the
other
thing
about
the
95
gallon
carts.
I
I
think
the
the
number
we're
expecting
you
know.
I
think
it's
to
me
seems
like
it's
speculative.
You
know
15
thousand,
so
I
don't
know
what
would
happen
if
we
don't
get
fifteen
thousand
households
to
choose
that
cart.
You
know
what
is
that
gonna
do
to
the
bottom
line
of
what
we're
trying
to
achieve.
N
So
that's
something
to
consider,
and
the
last
thing
I
I
would
say
also
had
the
same
concern
that
all
the
men
fizzini
had
about
the
the
automation
and
the
the
three
dollar
stickers
to
me
just
feels
like
it's
a
just
an
added
burden
to
to
the
way
staff
would
do
their
work,
but
I
would
say
for
for
the
sake
of
moving
things
forward,
I
think
I'm
willing
to
compromise.
This
is
an,
and
once
we
see
what
our
experience
is
after
a
year,
maybe
we'll
be
able
to
make
some
changes.
B
C
C
I
heard
from
somebody
today
who
read
our
ordinance
very
carefully,
who
thinks
it
says
a
couple
of
things
and
in
one
case
I
know
specifically
why
he
says
that
section
301.7
says
that
you
pay
in
the
amount
of
three
dollars
in
the
amount
of
three
dollars
to
pay
for
overflow
bags
of
refuse
set
out,
and
he
was
asking
me
so
is
this
three
dollars
for.
However
many
bags
I
want
to
put
out,
or
is
it
three
dollars
a
bag?
I
C
B
C
You
know
the
basic
residents.
I
think
we've
received
emails
from
people
saying
how
many
couches
do
we
all
throw
out
every
year,
and
so
our
initial
proposal
was
that
it
was
going
to
be
every
other
week
and
now
we're
going
back
to
every
week.
And
yet
I
hear
that
that's
probably
one
of
our
more
costly
services.
So
I'm
I'm
trying
to
understand
why
we're
back
to
doing
this
every
week
and
and
why
that's
cost
effective
for
us
as
a
city.
If
you
you
could
talk
about
that,
a
little
bit.
I
Well,
as
as
you've
seen
in
the
staff
backup
report,
as
we
went
back
and
especially
talked
with
our
public
works
director
and
our
solid
way
supervisor,
it
was
their
belief
based
upon
actual
experience
and
dealing
with
this
day
in
and
day
out
that
it
really
would
be.
They
just
could
not
foresee
that
there
would
be
cost
savings
or
or
significant
cost
savings
every
other
week,
and
it's
mainly
because
they're
experienced
now.
I
Certainly
there
could
be
some
additional
analysis
done,
but
based
upon
the
volume
of
bulk
waste
that
they
pick
up
on
a
weekly
basis
and
trying
to
speculate
on
what
that
would
mean
if
they
pick
it
up
every
other
week
and
the
increase
in
volume
and
the
need
for
manpower
vehicles
equipment.
They
just
saw
from
an
operational
standpoint.
It
would
not
generate
kind
of
savings.
Maybe
the
council
had
had
maybe
speculated
themselves
so
again
we're
going
back
to
those
people
that
are
dealing
with
it
living
with
it
day.
I
In
and
day
out,
we
haven't
been
able
to
kind
of
analyze
that
with
anything
but
taking
their
opinion
at
that
time,
but
it
was
a
significant
enough
statement
and
opinion.
We
wanted
to
come
back
and
really
say
before
we
change
that
again.
This
is
their
strong
opinion.
If
you
really
want
to
switch
that
we,
we
probably
ought
to
do
some
more
analysis
rather
than
make
the
change
now.
C
I
just
don't
want
to
in
the
long
run.
I
don't
want
to
dismiss
the
opinions
that
we've
heard
from
many
people
that
those
folks
who
are
really
generating
the
bulk
way
should
be
paying
for
it
and-
and
you
know,
instead
of
normalizing
it
across
them
all
citizens,
and
I
I
happen
to
agree
with
them,
and
I
hope
that
we
continue
to
look
at
that.
I
And-
and
I
would
just
say
that's
why
the
staff's
original
recommendation
was
25
per
load,
no
freebie,
because
that
truly,
we
believe
you
know,
gets
more
of
that
philosophy.
Those
who
generate
the
bulk
waste
pays
for
it
and
there's
the
added
incentive.
If
you
have
to
pay
for
every
bulk,
you
don't
just
put
out
small
items
every
week,
every
couple
of
weeks,
adding
to
our
fixed
and
variable
costs.
So
again,
that
was
some
of
our
rationale
for
not
going
with
one.
I
B
And
just
to
clarify,
I
believe,
if
it's
fair,
to
say
that
in
my
discussion
at
least
with
alderwoman
stearns
about
you
know
kind
of
the
things
we
can
take
on
next
in
the
committee
that
I've
kind
of
nudged
you
to
or
informal
group
to
work
with
me
on,
we
would
certainly
be
looking
at
that
too
yeah.
So
I
mean
that.
That's
not
it's
not
like
speaking.
Our
forever
holds
your
peace
okay
alderman
through
and
then
I
would
again
I'll
entertain
a
substitute
motion.
J
Mary
I'll
try
to
keep
my
comments
brief.
I
think
they're
consistent
with
what
I've
said
in
the
past.
There
will
be
some
reputation
what
others
have
said
that
I
think
is
important,
but
if
I
have,
I
hope
this
passes,
we've
all
been
at
this
a
long
time,
staff
and
ourselves.
I
hope
this
passes
in
some
form
tonight,
regardless
of
what
side
I'm
on,
I
think,
if
it
came
down
to
one
thing,
for
me,
is
what
I
am
very
concerned
about:
are
the
differences
we're
creating
in
the
community?
J
J
J
Others
are
a
lot
more
knowledgeable
about
how
this
selection
process
will
work
than
I
am,
but
I
see
people
making
their
decision
based
on
monthly
charge
and
not
by
size.
I
think
when
you
give
people
the
option,
do
you
want
to
pay
16
a
month
or
do
you
wanna
pay
twenty
five
dollars
a
month?
You're
gonna
see
people
cramming
in
as
much
as
they
can
into
a
thirty
five
gallon
cart.
J
B
B
L
Okay,
go
ahead.
Okay,
in
that
case,
thank
you,
mr
mayor,
I'd
like
to
make
an
alternative
motion
with
based
on
the
conversation
that
we're
having
right
now
so
bear
with
me
here
so
for
fiscal
year
15,
which
would
be
the
first
year
that
we
were
talking
about.
This
would
have
a
35.
Gallon
cart
would
be
16.
L
The
65
gallon
car
would
be
18.
The
95
gallon
cart
would
be
20
fiscal
year
16
again
the
35
gallon
cart
would
be
16.
We're
holding
that
steady,
65,
gallon
cart,
would
increase
to
20
and
the
95
gallon
cart
would
go
to
90.
Excuse
me
23
for
17
again,
35,
gallon
cart,
16,
a
65,
gallon
cart,
21
and
ninety
five
gallon
cart.
L
G
G
B
O
O
And
that's
in
that,
I
think,
is
welcome.
Welcome
news
because
one
thing
we
haven't
clarified
for
instance,
and
now,
especially
that
we
have
a
proposed
fee
schedule,
is
the
say
the
duplex.
Would
it
pay
two
times
the
smallest
cart?
You
know
we're
pa
they're
pla
paying
per
unit,
or
would
it
pay
what
if
it
got
a
larger
cart,
would
it
pay
two
times
that
unit
or
would
it
would
there
be
a
basic?
I
mean?
B
O
B
O
L
The
discussion
became
in
a
it's
per
unit,
not
per
dwelling,
so
you
it
would
discourage
the
practice
of
like
let's
say
your
neighbor.
You
know
you
wouldn't
want
to
put
your
garbage
in
your
neighbor's.
Can
is
the
same
kind
of
principle
there
and
there's
an
administrative
burden
on
on
combining
them,
so
the
theory
being
that
each
unit
is
belongs
to
a
specific
can,
so
they
can
conceivably.
They
don't
want
their
fees
to
go
up.
Take
a
35
gallon
cart
for
each
one
of
their
units.
B
And
then
beginning
to
go,
I
think
it's
safe
to
say,
beginning
to
go
down.
That
path
was
something
that
we
thought
would
be
really
complicated,
which
is
why
I,
when
we
talked
earlier,
I
thought
hey.
You
know
there
are
definitely
some
other
issues
out
there
that
we
could
collapse
together.
Recycling
apartments,
recycling,
downtown
et
cetera,
thanks.
Okay,
if
there
aren't
any
other
comments.
B
Okay,
moving
right
along
to
something
else,
we
have
item
eight
c
is
a
downtown
bloomington
strategy
and
that
the
downtown
the
recommendations
of
the
snap
of
the
downtown
building
strategy
be
accepted
and
resolution
adopted
I'll
just
make
a
couple
of
comments,
because
there
were
some
comments
beforehand
and
also
from
the
open
house.
There
was
let's
make
clear
this.
B
This
downtown
plan
started
six
years
ago
and
it
goes
from
well
over
a
year
of
citizen
stakeholders,
others,
investors
work
in
downtown,
bloomington
and
again
a
plan
there's
a
lot
of
stuff
in
a
plan
that
people
would
not
agree
with
there's
a
lot
of
stuff.
Frankly
in
the
pan
plan
that
I
don't
agree
with,
but
this
came
out
of
in
a
sense
the
essence
of
direct
democracy,
the
people
who
were
involved
stakeholders,
the
many
of
them
were
frustrated
that
this
sat
on
the
shelf
for
four
and
a
half
years
and
didn't
was
not
acted
upon.
B
We
have
had
lots
of
public
discussions
about
this,
not
every
mayoral,
open
house,
but
about
just
about
every
other
mayoral
open
house.
This
became
a
subject
of
discussion
over
the
last
seven
months.
I
spoke
to
the
downtown
bloomington
association,
at
least
once
on
this,
the
downtown
bar
owners
a
couple
of
times
the
downtown
business
owners
and
obviously
many
times
to
the
chamber
of
commerce
to
the
kiwanis
to
the
rotary.
B
So
certainly
this
is
something
that
has
been
in
the
public
domain
and
discussion
for
a
very
very
long
time,
and
so
I
think
that's
the
only
preferatory
mark
that
I
would
make
at
this
point.
Oh,
yes,
we
did
have
some
questions.
One
set
of
questions
about
someone
who
came
to
the
open
house,
the
there
are
pictures
that
were
proposed
that
are
pictures
that
were
developed
from
the
gaming
sessions
about
downtown
and
what
it
might
look
like.
The
references
to
forum
form-based
code,
regardless
of
how
people
feel
about
it,
were
overtly
removed.
B
There
is
a
gap
neighborhood
that
decided
on
their
own
to
have
form-based
code,
and
so
it
was
essential
for
our
plan
to
note
that
any
changes
that
we
might
make
in
our
downtown
that
are
adjacent
to
that
gap.
Neighborhood
include
some
reference
to
the
foreign
base
code.
It's
not
the
means
by
which
we'd
achieve
what's
downtown.
B
It
is
a
recognition
that
one
of
the
neighborhoods-
and
there
are
thousands
throughout
the
country
that
have
some
form
of
foreign-based
code-
that
older
neighborhoods
that
decide
that's
what
they
want
if,
but
there
is
one
neighborhood
adjacent
to
downtown.
That
has
that.
So,
if
there
are
any
changes
in
zoning
that
we
have,
that
would
need
to
be
overlaid
upon
what
already
exists
so
just
to
clarify
those
comments.
At
this
point
we
have
budgeted
30
minutes.
I
won't
count
my
time,
my
blabbing
on
that.
B
B
C
Okay,
thank
you.
I
will
probably
just
tag
along
to
many
of
the
things
that
you
said,
mayor
renner.
This
has
been
sitting
here
for
quite
a
long
time.
This
comes
not
from
a
council,
it
came
from
our
citizens
and
all
of
the
key
stakeholders.
People
been
putting
their
own
private
dollars
into
the
downtown.
C
We
have
a
collective
vision
and
we
have
an
opportunity
to
adopt
that
tonight.
It
is
a
vision,
it
is
every
single
element.
That's
in
here
is
something
that
we're
going
to
you
know
if
it
affects
things
like
parking
meters,
for
example.
That's
not
something
that
we're
saying
tonight
we're
having
parking
meters.
That
would
be
a
topic
for
discussion,
but
it
does
provide
a
framework
for
people
who
have
already
made
investments
and
people
that
we
hope
will
continue
to
make
investments
in
the
downtown
and
I'm
I've.
C
We've
approved
an
awful
lot
of
plans
on
at
this
by
city,
council,
I'll
think
of
west
bloomington
revitalization
project
as
one
of
them,
where
we
had
a
unanimous
support
for
that.
There
was
a
lot
of
city
investment
that
that
went
into
what
we
hope
will
become.
You
know
what
west
bloomington
will
become
and
we
didn't
have
any
problems
with
that,
and
I
I
have
to
say
that
I
get
baffled
sometimes
by
what
the
concern
is
about
this.
We
have
a
jewel.
C
M
Okay,
well,
I
know
that
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
disagreement
with
what
I'm
going
to
say,
but
I
have
a
fair
amount
of
experience
with
this.
I
have
beat
this
thing
to
death
and
combed
through
it
and
combed
through
other
documentation
as
well.
I
have
a
fair
amount
of
time
spent
on
this.
I
had
to
prove
it
to
myself
and
I
can.
I
can
honestly
say
that
there
are
a
number
of
things
that
are
in
contention
here.
This
is
in
concept
and
in
application
identical
to
the
2009
downtown
plan.
M
We
have
taken
out
some
phraseology.
We
have
taken
out
some
language
that
would
lead
us
to
believe
that
it
has
been
changed
in
in
application
and
in
a
total
overall
concept,
but
I
I
am
here
to
to
to
say
that
I
do
not
believe
it
has.
It
does
not
eliminate
the
concept
of
the
form
based
code.
It
does
not
eliminate
regulation
of
zoning
and
land
practices
to
affect
and
implement
the
form
based
code
outcomes
here
in
bloomington
I
can.
M
M
Okay,
maybe
if
it
had
been,
I
wouldn't
be
here
talking
like
this,
but
it
leads
us
to
believe
and
be
very
distrustful
of
what
it
does
lead
to.
The
bottom
line
here
is
zoning
code.
Overlays
can
be,
and
have
historically
been
very,
very
restrictive
and
expensive
to
implement.
Okay
from
from
my
experience
with
a
developer
and
with
several
builders,
this
does
investment
in
our
city.
M
We
need
to
step
back
and
take
a
look
at
this
and
resist
changes
just
to
comply
with
national
and
international
trends
and
fads.
Okay-
and
I
think
that's
really
the
impetus
for
where
this
plan
is
rooted.
Okay,
we
are
bloomington
and
we
will
continue
regardless,
whether
we
pass
this
plan
or
not,
we
will
continue
to
be
bloomington
and
we
may
have
to
come
back
and
revise
this.
It
may
happen
15
years
from
now,
and
it
might
happen
next
week.
M
A
shift
from-
and
this
is
this
is
the
the
overall
concept
that
I
take
from
this
app
after
studying
it
for
actually
several
years,
we're
shifting
from
an
independence
and
transport
as
a
as
a
parameter
of
this
to
government
controlled,
mass
transit.
Okay,
the
the
tenet
of
this
is
to
build
the
zone.
Regulations,
push
alternate
forms
of
of
transportation
rather
than
cars.
It's
very
auto,
negative
and
and
mayor
you
and
I
spent
hours
on
this
particular
item.
M
And
minimizing
building
height
requirements,
entrance
locations,
minimum
level
of
transparency
in
terms
of
windows,
roofline
cap
treatments,
master
plan,
master
planning,
communities
and
and
zoning
districts.
This
is
this-
is
tenement
to
to
the
language,
that's
in
form
based
code,
another
one
of
the
publication
that
that
that
goes
in
in
depth
in
this
is
mclean
county,
comprehensive
plan
of
2009.,
encouraging
the
adoption
of
form
based
code,
zoning,
multimodal
transportation
options,
which
again
is
anti-independence
and
anti-auto.
A
B
It
the
only
the
only
couple
of
comments
that
I
make
is
that
for
us.
I
think
this
if
this
comes
from
the
citizens
and
it
comes
in
the
stakeholders,
if
it
just
happens,
to
be
something
that
other
people
in
the
world
are
also
doing.
I
don't
necessarily
think
that
that's
necessarily
a
bad
thing,
but
also
to
make
it
clear.
We
have
to
nothing's
going
to
happen
unless
we
approve
it
in
the
in
the
long
run
anyway.
This
represents
a
year
and
some
worth
of
public
participation.
B
People,
as
karen
had
said,
who've
invested
downtown
and,
frankly,
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
get
people
to
invest
from
outsiders
in
our
downtown.
If
we
don't
have
a
plan-
and
I
think
that's
one
of
the
core
reasons-
that's
the
core
reason
why
I
support
it.
Do
I
like
everything
in
it?
No,
I
don't,
but
I
do
think
that
it
represents
what
people
have
discussed.
So
if,
for
example,
give
you
just
one
quick
example:
the
market
street
garage
is
an
11
million
dollar
noose
around
our
neck
depreciation
news
around
our
neck.
B
Now
the
the
plan
says
something
about
putting
the
y
there.
Well,
the
y
is
probably
not
going
to
go
there,
but
it's
something
like
that,
and
so
that's
part
of
why
again
it's
at
a
thousand
feet.
These
are
the
kinds
of
things
that
you
can
do
anyway.
I
shouldn't
say
anymore
because
we're
already
kind
of
pushing
in
our
time-
and
I
started
by
talking-
I
believe,
sage
you're
next
and
then
all
the
women's
turns.
G
And
probably
two
quick
questions
mayor
the
the
dba
made
up
of
downtown
business
owners,
property
owners-
if
you
will
and-
and
I
think
I
know
the
answer
to
this
question-
but
I
but
I
think
it
it's
worth
saying
it
again-
have
they
endorsed
this
revised
plan.
Has
the
dba
formally
endorsed
this
revised
plan.
B
G
So
so
there
is
some
evidence
right
that
close
to
home
with
the
folks
who
who
have
the
roots,
who
who
have
put
the
the
sweat
equity,
if
you
will
into
their
businesses
and
their
properties
downtown,
have
endorsed
this
plan,
and
so
they
they
certainly
have
a
vested
interest
in
making
sure
that
that
their
property
rights
and
so
forth
are
are
not
restricted.
Okay,
the
other
one
is
just
more
procedural.
G
One
of
the
questions
that
that
that
was
asked
was
when
was
this
put
up
on
the
city
website
for
review,
and
it
was
wednesday
november
27th,
which
was
the
wednesday
before
thanksgiving,
and
I'm
going
to
make
the
assumption
that
that
probably
most
folks
who,
who
look
for
these
kinds
of
things,
probably
didn't
see
it
until
after
the
long
holiday
weekend.
So
that
would
have
been
monday
december
2nd-
and
here
we
are
voting
on
it
december
9th
is.
G
Is
there
any
concern,
maybe
from
other
aldermen
or
or
just
procedurally
or
the
principle
of
putting
something
out
and
just
making
it
available?
Something
of
this
of
the
scope
of
this
magnitude
and
just
having
it
available
for
large-scale
public
review.
For
for
just
a
week
and
again,
that's
that's
honestly
meant
to
be
a
question,
not
sure.
B
I
B
G
B
O
Thanks
mayor,
I
think
that
you
know
having
been
here
when
this
came
up
before
there
was
a
very,
very
serious
and
long
conversation
and
several
aldermen
expressed
that
they
simply
would
not
and
did
not
support
form-based
code
now
the
public,
I
don't
think,
really
knows
what
form-based
code
is,
but
I
assure
you
that
it
is
a
more
restrictive
zoning
overlay
and
it
is
very,
very
important
normal
has
adopted
it.
I
believe,
or
pretty
much
adopted.
O
You
know
you
can
make
a
choice
or
something,
but
if
you
go
north
on
norms
on
main
street
under
the
viaduct
and
start
to
look
to
your
left,
especially
you're,
going
to
see
form-based
code
in
quantity,
do
you
like
it?
I'm
not
I'm
not
really
all
that
fond
of
it.
I
don't
think
it's
all
that
attractive,
necessarily
or
necessarily
something
that
enhances
anything.
O
It
is
very
much
in
it's
very
much
in
vogue.
Downtowns
have
a
lot
of
trends.
They're,
they're
trends.
Actually
form-based
code
is
a
lot
like
what
we
had
some
you
know
80
90
100
years
ago
in
traditional
downtowns.
We
got
rid
of
all
that
we
had
a
better
way.
You
know
now.
We
see
such
things
as
cities
who
have
developed
downtown
malls.
You
know
like
closing
streets,
they're,
they're,
reopening
streets,
lots
of
trends,
and
I
know
this
is
a
popular
plan.
It's
it's
perceived,
I
think
somewhat
anyway.
O
O
So
do
I
think
that
coming
up
a
week
ago
on
the
web
and
all
of
a
sudden,
just
like
that
kind
of
a
very
quick
we're
going
to
support
this?
No,
I
do
not
think
that
it
got
a
second
public
vetting.
I
think
it
got
one
public
vetting
and
I
think
the
council
voted
it
down
because
of
that
public
vetting
and
now
all
of
a
sudden.
Yes
mayor,
you
did
talk
about
it
during
your
election,
but
all
of
a
sudden
here
it
is
again
it's
a
pretty
book.
O
It's
going
on
a
picture,
it's
going
on
a
shelf,
it's
five
years
old,
a
lot
of
the
data.
I
don't
think
at
all
applies
anymore.
I
think
we're
doing
this
to
say
that
we
did
it.
I'm
not
sure
it's
the
right
plan
for
downtown.
It
certainly
is
form
based
code,
no
doubt
about
that,
but
it
doesn't
mean
that
I
don't
support
planning
that
I
don't
support.
Downtown
illinois,
wesleyan,
all
the
wonderful
things
that
we
have.
I
do
support
them,
but
I
don't
think
this
is
the
right
plan.
O
J
You
mayor
another
topic
that
we've
been
at
a
long
time
and
so
another
situation
where
it's
not
a
perfect
world
for
all
of
us
and
we
need
to
find
something
that
we
can
move
forward
with.
I
think
this
downtown
has
been
evolving
for
a
long
time
and
will
continue
to
evolve
for
a
long
time,
I'm
very
supportive
of
downtown
efforts.
J
We've
got
the
energy
downtown
with
our
residents
and
our
business
owners
and
we've
got
such
a
major
investment
with
the
coliseum
and
the
bcpa
and
everything
that
we've
done
in
between,
and
I
think
when
we
talk
about
wards
and
neighborhoods
and
community
at
large,
and
all
that
I
think
downtown
is
so
critical
to
the
community
at
large.
Because
what
downtown
is
it's
it's
to
the
entire
community?
J
I
think
we
can
evolve
with
it
and
I
just
think
that
at
some
point
we've
been
discussing
this
for
many
many
many
months.
I
don't
know
when
we
started,
but
at
some
points
you
have
to
get
on
the
board
and
say:
let's
get
something
in
place.
We
have
to
give
some
confidence
to
those
that
come
downtown,
whether
you're
a
resident
you're,
a
business
owner,
whether
you
want
to
invest
in
downtown,
but
up
until
now,
we
have
not
provided
that
confidence.
J
L
You,
mr
mayor,
I
just
kind
of
want
echo
alderman
fruins
comments
there
about
about
direction,
and
I've
actually
taken
a
couple
phone
calls
about
this
over
the
course
of
being
an
alderman
since
may,
and
all
of
them
100
have
been.
Why
haven't
we
passed
this?
Yet?
What
is
the
hold
up?
What
is
the
delay?
L
What
what
are
we
holding
up
here
for
and
I'm
not
saying
that
we
should
push
things
through,
but
at
least
we
should
have
the
discussion,
and
you
know
we
can
talk
about
how
long
it
should
be
up
on
the
website,
and
I
think
that
you
know
understand
the
holiday
situation.
Perhaps
we
could
have
gone
a
little
bit
longer,
but
at
some
point
we
need
to
have
this
discussion
and
the
feedback
overwhelmingly
for
me
has
been.
L
You
know
I'm
I'm
interested
in
this,
because
I
think
it's
not
just
looking
at
it
on
a
short
term
basis,
looking
at
it
on
a
long
term
basis,
something
that
perhaps
you
know
my
kids
could
look
at
or
even
my
grandkids
or
heck.
Maybe
I
can
even
see
it
and
that's
the
kind
of
thing
that
I'm
looking
for
and
when
we
talk
about
attracting
different
types
of
businesses,
they're
attracting
different
types
of
potential
employees
to
come
down
here
to
live
here.
These
are
the
types
of
things
that
they're
looking
for.
L
This
is
the
types
of
places
that
they're
used
to
seeing,
and
I
think
that
this
is
definitely
a
a
step
in
that
direction,
and
I
think
it's
it
doesn't.
I
don't
think
it
includes
the
forum
based
code
in
the
visceral
sense
that
everybody's
concerned
it,
but
I
think
it
does
provide
us
with
the
direction
what
we
want.
So
I
wholeheartedly
support
it.
B
Just
one
last
comment:
I
can
tell
you
that
when
chris
coos
and
I
were
in
los
angeles-
everybody
that
we
talked
to
said
what
have
you
got
for
millennials,
that's
what
our
clients
want
to
know
and
as
we
move
forward
as
state
farms,
not
growing
anymore,
that's
one
thing:
they
want
to
ask
and
two
people
said
some
version
of
this.
We've
looked
at
what
you
guys
have
done
in
normal.
B
You
know
smiling
chris
cousins,
what's
up
with
you
and
downtown
and
bloomington,
and
they
could
find
this
out
by
looking
on
the
web
right,
and
so
it
is
absolutely
critical
and
I
know
all
the
women
stearns.
I
know
I
know
you
well,
I
know
you
didn't
mean
to
be
insulting,
but
I
can
tell
you
the
the
the
book:
it's
not
just
a
pretty
book,
it's
absolutely
critical
and
it's
why
the
stakeholders
it's
why
the
people
who've
invested
their
sweat
equity
in
downtown.
B
It's
why
this
plan
has
so
many
legs
five
to
seven
years
later,
it
still
is
viable
and
it's
essential
for
us
to
move
forward.
If
we
started
backwards,
we
haven't
just
had
one
two.
Three:
we've
had
dozens
of
public
vetting
of
this
plan
over
many
many
many
years,
and
so
that's
why
I
think
it
is
absolutely
essential.
Okay,.
B
O
To
respond
no
insult
intended,
of
course,
it's
a
beautiful
book
it,
I
think
some
of
the
people
whose
buildings
are
missing
in
some
of
these
pictures
might
might
have
some
opinions
a
little
bit
different.
You
know
they
might
say,
gee,
here's
a
nice
picture
of
what
we're
proposing
and
my
building
isn't
even
there
anymore.
A
lot
of
the
pictures
are
have
complete
and
drastic
changes
in
blocks
and
again
I
don't
want
to
put
my
name
on
something
because,
because
I
do
think
it's
very
significant
that
I
don't
support
the
you
know
pretty
much
moving
forward.
O
We
haven't
even
mentioned
financing
but
of
course
we're
at
the
end.
You
know
we're
not
in
a
financial
position
at
the
moment
either,
so
that
that
concerns
me
as
well,
but
certainly
no
intention.
You
know,
I
think
it's
a
beautiful
book
and
well,
it
is
a
beautiful
book,
a
lot
of
beautiful
pictures,
the
dba
is,
is
great.
O
Many
many
many
downtown
business
owners,
you
know,
frankly,
are
not
members
of
the
dba
and
I've
heard
from
some
of
them
they're
deeply
concerned
and
had
no
idea
because
we've
added
this
before-
and
maybe
I
don't
know
if
you
attended
the
meeting,
but
it
was
strongly
discussed
by
a
lot
of
stakeholders
and
the
council
didn't
pass
it.
Nothing
really
has
changed
except
a
few
of
the
phrase
phrases
in
the
book
so
but
thank
you
very
much.
Okay,.
B
Okay,
moving
right
along
to
item
eight
d
is
a
downtown
hotel
feasibility
study
and
we
have
15
minutes
allocated
to
this
I'll,
try
to
be
a
little
bit
lenient
on
that,
since
there
may
be
more
than
a
few
of
you
who
want
to
speak.
One
thing
I
have
to
say
is:
I
think-
and
I
do
agree
with
many
people
of
concern.
B
We
do
a
lot
of
studies
and
we
do
lots
of
things
and
if
this
one
weren't
essential,
I
certainly
wouldn't
have
worked
with
the
city
manager
on
this
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
we
could
do.
If
we
waited
you
know.
If
we
had
six
months
to
a
year,
we
probably
could
get
illinois
westland
illinois
state
university
to
do
a
decent
job
of
giving
us
some
idea
of
an
economic
feasibility.
B
The
problem
with
that
is,
nobody
will
believe
us,
and
that
is
outside
of
the
emir
out
of
this
area.
Even
if
the
numbers
are
good,
they'll
think
it's
internally,
they're
not
going
to
believe
us.
So
initially
my
thought
was
frankly.
My
initial
reaction
was:
why
do
we
need
a
hotel
feasibility
study
and
then
I
talked
to
mayors
in
other
places
and
other
people
who
basically
gave
me
uniformly
the
same
thought
if
you're
serious
you
want
to
get
a
hotel
across
from
the
coliseum
to
reduce
your
red
ink,
you
want
to
create
more
jobs.
B
You
need
to
have
some
market
analysis
that
demonstrates
the
themes
that
you
that
you
find,
and
so
anyway,
that's
the
only
comment
that
I
will
make
on
this,
and
I
will
see
if
there
is
a
motion
to
approve
the
move
moved
by
all
the
women.
Oh
excuse
me,
alderwoman
mcdade
is
their
second.
Second,
second
by
alderman,
fazzini
and
who'd
like
to
speak
to
this
and
I'll
note
your
names.
M
B
M
I'm
I'm
not
in
favor
of
again
just
using
a
blanket
premise
that
that
we
might
be
able
to
use
a
hotel
down
there.
I
mean
I've
got
a
a
developer.
That's
got
plans
for
one
on
the
south
side
and
he
hasn't
come
to
the
city
and
asked
he
didn't
even
come
to
me
and
ask
for
funding
for
a
study.
He's
got
his
own
plans
for
a
study.
B
B
They
may
want
that
to
check
it,
but
in
order
for
us
to
for
us
to
go
and
really
be
serious
about
it,
we
have
to
that.
Not
all
locations
are
equal
to
a
community
like,
for
example,
if
we
have
lakewood
plaza
or
colonial
plaza.
If
they
are
shaky,
we
can't
let
a
a
plaza
go
under.
We
have
to
do
everything
we
can
because
they're
magnets
for
gang
activity.
Those
are
their
problems,
investment
in
older
neighborhoods.
We
might
value
investment
in
our
downtown.
We
certainly
most
communities
do
value.
So
it's
not
all
locations.
M
Certainly
not
opposed
to
to
spending
money
where
it
needs
to
be
spent
and
spending
it
wisely.
I
just
question
it
seems
like
every
week
we
come
back
to
the
table
and
ask
for
another
study
for
for
the
area
down
there
and
and
I'm
beginning
to
wonder
where
the
end
is
it
it
and,
and
quite
frankly,
I'm
questioned
on
a
daily
basis
by
my
constituents
where
the
end
is
so.
I
I'm
I'm
proceeding
with
the
extreme
caution
here.
Sir
true.
J
J
O
O
I
don't
even
have
to
say
the
name
of
it,
but
there
were
studies
after
studies
and
they
predicted
something
it
would
pay
for
itself.
There
would
be
no
public
money.
Okay-
and
I
didn't
have
the
time
today-
to
get
into
my
file
cabinet,
but
I
have
a
lot
of
the
articles
and
a
lot
of
the
information
about
those
studies.
Today,
the
taxpayers
of
bloomington
are
on
the
hook
now.
Some
feel
that's
a
good
thing,
and
you
know
I
certainly
haven't
advocated
closing
it
or
selling
it.
O
I
mean,
I
don't
think
that's
real
at
all,
but
the
taxpayers
are
on
the
hook
right
now
for
at
least
two
million
dollars
a
year
and
conceivably
quite
a
bit
more
operating
losses
and
such
this
hotel
idea
all
I
need
to
say:
please
look
for
the
wall
street
journal,
article,
downtown
hotels,
boone
or
boondoggle,
and,
let
me
say
milwaukee
is
on
the
hook
for
260
million
in
industrial
bonds
for
their
taxpayers
and
because
their
hotel,
the
renaissance,
downtown
st
louis
on
the
river
foreclosed
in
09..
I
won't
belabor
this.
O
The
sheraton
myrtle
beach,
64
million
in
public
money,
foreclosed
milwaukee's,
one
of
theirs
owensboro
kentucky
st
louis
missouri,
baltimore
myrtle
beach,
there's
a
great
site,
myrtle
beach
on
the
ocean,
foreclosed
foreclosed.
In
fact
they
had
a
sale
where
they
invited
the
public
in
to
buy
the
soap
dishes.
And
what
have
you
so
I
I
did
a
little
bit
of
research
and
no,
I
do
not
support
any
public
money.
In
fact,
when
you,
when
you
mess
with
the
laws
of
supply
and
demand.
In
other
words,
you
create.
We
need
this
because
we
need
it.
O
You
are
embarking
on
a
process
of
interfering
in
the
local
economy.
You
are
definitely
taking
away
from
other
hotels
and
that's
been
seen
in
communities.
Hotels,
other
hotels
have
closed,
so
I
did
a
little
little
homework,
a
little
research
and
that's
just
the
tip
of
the
iceberg.
I
do
not
support
public
money
for
a
hotel,
downtown
or
anywhere
else.
Thank
you.
B
Just
want
to
make
a
clarification.
That
is
it.
If
you
have
a
city
that
is
usually
50,
000
or
above,
but
we
qualify
and
you
do
not
have
a
downtown
hotel.
That
is
not
one
that
exists.
They
you
having
a
downtown
hotel
adjacent
to
something.
A
convention
center
coliseum
usually
helps
the
other.
Well,
then,
I'll
have
to
disagree.
My
maybe
in
the
articles
you've
read
but
at
least
anything
that
I've
I've
heard
that.
O
O
K
B
K
B
B
I
B
They
could
barely
grab
the
candy,
and
I
need
to
thank
normal
because
they
gave
us
the
candy,
because
we,
basically
just
we
just
came
out
there
in
our
golf
cart
we
and
but
we
did
give
chris
coos
and
I
think
alderman
mccarthy
are
a
little
bit
of
a
ride
where
there
was
a
long
stretch,
but
anyway,
thank
you
so
much
david.
Actually,
there
was
a
point
where
I
look.
We
were
kind
of
having
fun
looked
like
we
were
in
a
bad
episode
of
caddyshack
or
something
as
we
were,
driving
it
back
anyway.
B
Thank
you
so
much,
and
I
know
that
there's
definitely
some
there's
been
some
differences,
opinions
on
obviously
solid
waste
and
downtown,
but
to
a
large
degree
the
council
tonight
has
and
we'll
see
you
know
for
better
and
worse,
perhaps
as
we
move
forward,
we've
had
issues
that
have
been
languishing
for
years
and
the
council
deserves
a
lot
of
credit
for
that.
This
evening
we
have
a
solid
waste
plan,
begin
to
close
the
gap.
We
have
a
downtown
plan
and
we
will
move
forward
again.
B
B
Let
me
write
you
down
and
oh
yes,
I'm
sorry
we
do
meet
next
week
and
that
if
I,
if
you
could
just
give
me
30
seconds,
we
are
also
in
the
process-
something
quite
big,
I
suppose,
of
revamping
and
rewriting
the
downtown
liquor
code.
We
had
a
public
hearing
last
week
and
I
think
we
are
very
close
tomorrow.
We
have
a
liquor
commission
meeting
four
o'clock
here.
B
O
Right
now
by
myself,
yeah,
congratulations
on
doing
the
christmas
parade.
I'm
sorry!
I
missed
it,
but
anyway,
speaking
of
christmas,
going
twice,
will
there
be
a
christmas
tree?
I
was
just
at
another
city
lighting
ceremony,
beautiful
ceremony,
lovely
sort
of
for
the
city.
You
know-
and
I
just
wondered
again
because
I
grew
up
here
and
remember
the
beautiful
trees
we
always
had.
Somebody
told
me
we
had
a
nativity.
I
guess
we
didn't.