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May 29, 2018 - City Council Meeting
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A
C
A
Rights
of
law-abiding
citizens
goes
hand
in
hand
with
keeping
guns
away
from
dangerous
people,
and
whereas
mayors
and
law
enforcement
officers
know
their
communities
best
and
are
most
familiar
with
local
criminal
activity
and
how
to
address
it
and
our
best
position
to
understand
how
to
keep
their
citizens
safe
and
whereas
in
January
2013
Hadiya
Pendleton,
a
teenager
who
marched
in
President
Obama's.
Second
inaugural
parade
was
tragically
shot
and
killed.
A
Just
weeks
later
should
now
be
celebrating
her
21st
birthday
and
whereas
to
help
honor
Hadiya
and
the
96
Americans,
whose
lives
are
cut
short
and
the
countless
survivors
who
are
injured
by
these
shootings
every
day.
A
national
coalition
of
organizations
has
it
designated
June
1st
2018,
the
first
Friday
in
June
as
the
4th
national
gun,
violence,
Awareness
Day,
and
whereas
the
idea
was
inspired
by
a
group
of
hadiya's
friends
who
asked
their
classmates
to
commemorate
her
life
by
wearing
orange.
A
And
whereas
we
renew
our
commitment
to
reduce
gun
violence
and
pledge
to
do
all,
we
can
to
keep
firearms
out
of
the
wrong
hands
and
encourage
responsible
gun
ownership
to
help
keep
our
children
safe.
Now,
therefore,
I
Terry
Renner,
mayor
of
Bloomington
Illinois,
declare
to
gently
tune
first
2018
to
be
national
gun.
Violence,
Awareness,
Day
and
I
encourage
all
citizens
to
support
their
local
community's
efforts
to
prevent
the
tragic
events
of
gun
violence
and
to
honor
and
value
human
lives.
A
B
A
A
A
A
At
this
point,
we
move
to
public
comment
and
I
just
want
to
note
that
oh
I
do
have
a
mayor's
open
house,
and
that
is
Friday
before
every
regular,
City
Council
meeting
on
usually
the
following
Monday,
except
for
tonight
because
of
the
holiday,
and
you
can
go
just
by
the
the
back
in
the
fishbowl
and
talk
about
anything.
That's
on
the
agenda
or
anything,
that's
not
on
the
agenda
or
get
questions
answered.
The
city
manager
was
dutifully
there
the
other
day
and
is
usually
there.
A
We
had
all
the
woman
howlman
there
and
sometimes
other
city
officials
will
show.
So
if
you
want
answers-
or
you
want
to
engage
in
dialogue
with
fellow
citizens,
that's
definitely
the
place
to
do
it
under
a
public
comment.
You
have
up
to
three
minutes
to
talk
about
anything
that
you
want,
but
our
policy
and
practice
is
to
not
respond.
So
at
this
point
we
start
out
with.
We
have
three
people
who
have
signed
up.
You
have
up
to
three
minutes:
apiece
Bruce,
minx,
Scott,
Steiner,
Elaine
and
Mike
Latika.
D
Good
evening,
like
that
officials,
let
me
introduce
myself
in
case
you
forgotten:
Who
I
am
I'm
Bruce
mix,
I'm
a
citizen
going
in
all
my
life
I'm
here
as
a
nonpartisan
I
didn't
come
here
as
a
Democrat.
I,
don't
come
here
as
a
Republican.
Never
have
I
never
been
paid
to
be
here.
I
don't
were
presenting
any
organization,
but
the
citizens
of
this
community
in
the
heart
of
Bloomington
and
I
cannot
support
any
future.
Tif
districts.
D
I've
said
that
before
and
I
stand
by
that,
I
think
there's
an
expectation
that
the
TIF
districts
are
somehow
an
economic
growth
to
create
jobs
and
grow
the
economy.
It's
an
old
tool.
We
need
new
tools.
What's
next
for
Bloomington,
do
you
know
the
comprehensive
plan
is
no
longer
valid.
There's
some
valid
things
in
it
that
we
need
to
revisit
that
as
soon
as
possible.
We
have
a
lot
changes
of
going
on
here
and
we
need
to
be
prepared
or
not,
but
the
only
way
the
TIF
districts
push
the
cost
across
the
entire
public
spectrum.
D
What
is
missing
here
is
the
cost
of
developing
a
private
business.
Has
some
public
costs
the
updating
of
the
road
which
we
which
we
did
for
the
green
grocery
store?
We
did
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
updates
over
there.
A
lot
of
money
was
spent
for
that
little
area
in
the
schools
and
the
public
costs
that
come
with
that
growth.
Unless
spending
is
cut
and
if
a
TIF
really
does
generate
economic
growth
spending
is
likely
to
rise
as
the
local
population
grows.
D
Well,
our
population
is
not
going
to
grow
right
now,
it
doesn't
look
like
does
it
the
burden
of
paying
these
services
will
be
shifted
to
other
taxpayers.
They
always
have
been,
and
I'd
still
are,
with
the
TIF
districts.
So
I
hope
you
do
not
vote
for
the
proposals
tonight
for
you
and
look
back
and
try
to
change
this
to
not
have
any
TIF
districts.
Tif
districts
encourage
businesses
with
their
hand
out.
D
They
have
any
financial
shortcomings,
we're
not
bringing
in
businesses
that
don't
need
handouts.
The
quality
of
businesses
we
could
be
bringing
if
we
would
get
rid
of
the
TIF
districts
I
think
would
go
up
once
the
word
got
out
that
you
guys
aren't
politically
influenced
by
like
companies
and
you're
more
more
important
to
your
other
small
businesses,
instead
of
the
well-connected
chains
that
enjoy
the
chief
related
tax
rates,
in
effect,
the
TIF
subsides,
the
big
business
that's
expensive,
so
less
publicly
influential
competitors
and
ordinary
citizens.
D
The
original
concept
was
for
blighted
areas,
I,
don't
think
I've.
Seen
too
many
of
our
TIF
districts
who
create
recently
we're
really
earlier
for
the
blighted
areas
of
the
Westside
I'd
like
to
see,
spend
some
time
and
things
you
haven't
done.
Reviews
of
the
Ono's
ordinance
there's
a
whole
list
of
things
that
have
not
been
done
that
you
all
said.
Well,
we
want
this
to
come
back
to
the
council.
Are
you?
Is
anybody
being
track
of
that
list?
Besides
me
and
the
welcoming
ordinance
I
hope
it
never
ever
comes
back
to
this
council.
Thank
you.
D
E
Scott's
timely
one
five
I
would
like
one
thing
to
address,
be
addressed
that
that
is
why
the
streets
in
this
town
keep
crumbling.
We
always
have
money
for
the
fireworks
and
other
perks
that
you
want,
but
yet
there
is
no
money
for
the
roads,
the
people-
you
know
you
get
tired
of
hearing
me
say
this,
but
it's
true
I
feel
that
the
roads
need
to
be
addressed.
E
If
you
don't,
the
people
are
going
to
leave
the
city
which
they've
already
started
doing
the
taxes
in
this
town
are
getting
way
too
high
and
the
city
cannot
control
their
spending
and
we
go
further
and
further
and
further
and
further
in
debt,
take
the
lousy
money
for
the
fireworks
and
cancel
those
fireworks
and
put
that
right
in
the
roads,
or
does
that
make
too
much
common
sense?
The
other
thing
you
know
we
have
a
noise
ordinance
in
this
town,
but
yet
it
does
not
apply
to
the
fireworks
and
noises
noise.
E
I,
don't
care
where
it
comes
from.
If
it
comes
from
the
fireworks
that
comes
from
barking
dogs
and
a
boarding
kennel
I,
don't
care
where
it
comes
from.
Noise
is
noise
even
screaming
students
at
Westland
the
thing
that
we've
got
a
well-qualified
individual
right
in
house
white
well
and
weighs
$20,000
on
a
nationwide
search
on
the
city
manager.
When
we've
got
something
well
qualified
right
in
house,
maybe
we
need
an
interim
mayor,
you
think
Terry,
you
are
absolutely!
E
E
E
E
E
I'm,
all
for
the
alderwoman
being
elected
by
wart,
but
I'm,
also
for
than
being
elected
at-large,
is
that
or
elect
all
aldermen
at-large,
one
or
the
other,
because
what
right
now
what
they're
doing
they're
playing
you
know,
they're
protected
by
their
award?
Also,
they
swore
an
oath
to
uphold
the
ordinances
of
the
city
of
Bloomington
to
the
best
of
their
ability
and
I've,
never
seen
you
do
it
and
I
haven't
seen
any
the
aldermen
do
it.
Thank
you.
F
How
do
we
maximize
that
economic
return,
and
one
way
to
do
that
is
to
ensure
that
the
people
who
work
on
new
construction
within
a
TIF
district
are
local
and
one
way
to
ensure
that
is
with
a
project
labor
agreement,
where
anybody
who
comes
to
you
seeking
funds
at
the
same
time
signs
an
agreement
that
they
will
hire
local
in
their
process
with
the
local
trades.
I
think
a
second
thing
to
think
about
with
this.
It's
probably
the
untold
secret
of
the
construction
industry
is
the
apprenticeship
programs
that
the
union
trades
and
the
contractors
produce.
F
If
we
took
all
the
higher
education
institutions
in
the
state
of
Illinois
and
included
the
construction
trades
apprenticeship,
it
would
be
the
seventh
largest
post-secondary
school
program
in
the
state
of
Illinois.
This
is
no
taxpayer
money
involved.
It
is
totally
industry
funded
and
it
gives
a
high
school
graduate
an
opportunity
to
enter
into
a
trade
with
a
pension,
with
benefits
and
with
a
decent
standard
of
living,
and
by
signing
the
project,
labor
labor
agreement
as
part
of
TIF.
F
You
would
then
be
ensuring
that
young
people
in
the
community
then
have
access
to
those
jobs
and
those
jobs
are
not
going
to
out
of
state
out
of
area
contractors.
It's
a
big
decision,
you're
taking
on
a
big
task
to
reexamine
how
you
handle
the
TIF
districts,
but
I
encourage
you,
as
you
have
that
discussion,
to
consider
how
the
labor
cost
is
included
and
to
give
a
serious
look
at
project
labor
agreements.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
A
A
Sorry,
yes
with
the
addendum.
Thank
you
thanks
for
some
reason.
I
was
sure
it
was
speaking.
Okay,
thank
you.
Is
that
acceptable
to
thee
like
let's
get
I'm
sorry
I'm
looking
at
you
can,
because
you
usually
make
maker
in
the
second
of
the
motion.
Okay,
at
this
point,
if
everyone
will
go
ahead
and
vote
on
the
item
as
amended.
A
A
Next,
we
move
on
to
item
8a
or
our
regular
agenda
considerations
resolution
approving
the
rules
of
the
bloomington
safety
in
commission
relations
of
the
city,
as
well
as
the
board's
brochure
and
posters,
as
requested
by
the
board
in
consultation
with
the
police
department
and
the
legal
department
and
I,
do
want
to
say
that,
since
this
was
passed,
I
guess
it's
not
quite
a
year
ago.
That's
the
number
one
thing
that
I've
had
mayor's
from
other
cities.
Contact
me
about
how?
How
did
you
get
this
passed?
How
does
it
work?
A
What
does
it
look
like
and
I
said?
Well,
I
can
tell
you
how
we
got
it
passed.
We
were
in
the
process
of
trying
to
make
it
work,
and
so
anyway,
I
do
want
to
thank
the
council.
It
were
clearly
innovative
and
on
to
cutting
edge
of
trying
to
link
neighborhoods
and
communities
with
our
police
and
law
enforcement
and
and
it's
not
gone
unnoticed.
So
I
will
go
ahead
and
turn
this
over
to
mr.
Jorgensen
Thank.
G
You
mayor
and
it
was
actually
on
July
24th
of
2017,
that
this
board
was
created.
They
had
their
first
meeting
on
December
13,
2017
and
they've
been
working
diligently
to
come
up
with
some
of
the
to
fulfill
some
of
the
directives
that
this
council
gave
them,
including
creating
rules,
procedures
or
bylaws
for
the
transaction
of
business
by
the
board,
developing
a
brochure
explaining
the
board's
procedures
and
the
resources
available
to
complainants
and
developing
a
poster
highlighting
the
resources
available
to
complainants.
G
When
you
adopted
this
ordinance,
you
provided
that
all
of
these
were
to
be
developed
by
the
board,
but
then
to
come
back.
We
presented
to
the
council
for
final
approval
by
this
council
so
tonight.
Although
city
staff
has
been
available
as
a
resource
to
assist
and
review
what
has
been
prepared.
The
true
driving
driving
force
behind
this
has
been
the
board.
A
A
H
H
To
add
a
residents
perspective
to
the
evaluation
of
civilian
complaints,
including
timely
and
fair
and
objective
reviews
of
those
complaints
to
identify
perceived
deficiencies
in
police
and
community
interactions
that
that
may
address
and
result
in
improved
interactions
and
shared
understanding
and
to
provide
fair
treatment
to
and
to
protect
the
rights
of
citizens
and
the
police
I
serve
on
the
board
with
and
if
at
least
one
of
those
board
members
that
are
here.
Syrena
fish.
You
consent
also
served
with
William
Bennett
Robert
Vasquez
Sally
Rudolph
Jan,
Janet,
Lancaster
and
Jeffery
Woodard
I
was
elected.
H
The
board
chair
at
our
first
official
meeting
in
January
and
I've
been
I,
can't
say
enough
positive
things
about
the
board
and
its
professionalism
and
it's
its
dedication
to
the
to
the
ground
rules
that
were
laid
out
by
the
council
for
the
establishment
of
the
PSCR
bee
and
I'm
so
pleased
that
I'm
able
to
to
to
serve
with
them
and
to
be
their
chairman.
We've
held
several
meetings
sense
of
the
inception
of
the
board.
H
We
have
not
had
a
single
complaint
that
has
come
before
the
board
and
to
me,
that's
a
good
thing,
but
the
board
is
there
to
serve
both
the
citizens
and
the
police
and
to
be
that
vehicle
to
help
inoculate
the
community
in
the
event
of
any
such
event,
that
could
could
turn
pretty
ugly.
No
one
wants
that
and
the
PSCR
bee
was
put
in
place
to
make
sure
that
that
that
does
not
happen.
H
We've
had
excellent
relationships
with
formally
chief
with
Hefner
before
he
left
and
now
with
chief
wheeler,
as
he
steps
in
and
the
board
has
had
excellent
relationships
with
the
staff,
as
well
as
the
community,
as
as
was
determined
by
our
first
quarterly
meeting
that
we
had
on
March,
the
21st
of
which
we
asked
for
assistance
in
providing
information.
For
the
brochure
that
you
see
in
front
of
you.
So
I'm
here
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
may
have
about.
H
The
PSC
RB
any
particular
questions
about
the
board
rules
and
any
questions
about
the
posters
that
we've
that
we
have
worked
diligently
on
to
make
sure
that
they
represent
the
community
as
well
as
any
language
that
that
I
would
want
to
make
sure
it
was
fed
the
that
it
fit
the
guidelines
that
set
forth
in
the
ordinance.
Thank.
I
H
Our
first
quarterly
meeting,
which
was
on
March
21st,
we
had
about
oh
I've,
said
about
20
members
of
the
community
that
showed
up
at
our
location.
That
was
the
church
over
here
on
East
Jefferson,
and
we
had
quite
a
bit
of
commentary
quite
a
bit
of
interaction
with
those
folks
in
the
community.
We
answered
as
many
questions
as
we
could,
but
we
were
there
more
to
get
their
input
and
their
feedback
on
language
that
you
see
in
the
and
the
brochure
that
you
have
in
front
of
you.
H
I
I
assume
that
that
feedback
was
incorporated
into
the
phenols
rabokki
waves
and
I
can't
member
who's
in
the
Executive
packet
or
something
I've
seen
in
the
past.
This
will
be
available
in
Spanish
as
well.
Yes,
okay,
great
I,
just
for
my
own,
my
own
thoughts
here,
I
I,
like
the
rules
I,
think
they
look
great
and
I
appreciate
the
work.
That's
been
done.
Brochure
looks
good.
My
only
small
note
would
be
that.
Maybe
we
have
a
different
picture
on
the
front.
You
know
maybe
the
board
standing
together.
I
You
know
so
we
can
see
faces
because
people,
you
know
if
they
see
the
face
of
someone
that
they
might
be
able
to
reach
out
to
that
might
connote
a
beer
connection,
but
I
know
these
are
probably
already
well
done.
The
process
not
be
something
for
version
two
at
some
point
down
the
road.
So
thank
you
for
your
service.
I,
appreciate
it
and
keep
up
the
good
work.
Thank
you.
Other.
J
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
for
your
service
as
well
I.
You
know
one
of
the
reasons
why
I
supported
this
I
I
thought
it
would
be
good
to
have
a
in
Avenue.
You
know
for
for
people
to
be
able
to
to
discuss
whatever
concerns
they
have.
I
am
one
who
likes
to
live
in
harmony
as
much
as
possible
and
and
I
think.
By
having
such
an
Avenue,
you
know
we
have
a
chance
at
the
harmony,
so
I'm
very
excited
to
what
to
see
everybody
come
together.
J
You
know
not
only
members
of
the
police
force,
but
as
well
as
citizens
and
and
volunteers.
Like
you,
one
of
the
things
that
I
wanted
to
to
to
know
from
you
is:
how
is
this
going
to
be
publicized?
You
know
other
than
just
the
brochures
you
know.
Are
we
having
social
media
or
different
things
like
that?
First.
H
Of
all,
our
meetings
are
on
the
second
Wednesday
of
every
month.
That
meeting
is
open
to
the
public,
it's
advertised
on
the
city
website
and
it's
available
throughout
them
for
in
the
media.
Our
quarterly
meetings
are
the
first
one
was
on
March
21st.
The
next
one
is
going
to
be
on
June
20th,
and
that
meeting
will
also
be
publicized.
H
We
communicate
with
those
with
the
leadership
of
those
organizations
to
let
it
be
known
to
their
members
and
the
folks
that
support
them
that
that
the
quarterly
meeting
is
open
to
them,
as
well
as
our
regularly
monthly
meetings
that
are
always
open
to
the
public,
and
unless
you
have
some
suggestions
as
to
how
we
can
better
communicate
that
that's
those
are
primarily
the
avenues
that
we
use.
Okay,.
K
You
probably
covered
this
in
your
review,
but
when
we
think
about
section
2a
confidentiality
of
sensitive
information,
it
if
you
could
just
kind
of
walk
us
through
what
that
might
look
like,
because
some
of
these
complaints
could
be
very
I
guess
has
have
information
that
even
the
complaintant
would
not
want
out
in
the
public
as
to
things
that
occurred
or
if
it
involves
the
performance
review
or
some
of
the
performance
of
the
police.
How
will
that
confidentiality
be
handled
as
the
request.
G
Yes,
that's
my
understanding
as
to
how
they're
they're
gonna
approach
it
as
well.
We've
got
another
attorney.
Who's
actually
been
working
with
the
board
on
this,
so
I'm,
not
as
intimately
familiar
with
the
details
of
it.
But
if
you
look
at
subsection
a
it
does
talk
about
the
confidentiality
of
sensitive
information
and
I
believe
in
the
actual
ordinance
that
was
approved.
G
The
information
that's
going
to
be
provided
to
the
board
is
information
that
would
be
subject
to
release
under
FOIA,
so
they're
going
to
have
they're,
not
the
board's
not
necessarily
going
to
have.
You
know
something:
that's
in
one
of
the
police
officers,
personnel
files
per
se,
or
something
like
that.
So
it's
going
to
be
information,
that's
related
to
FOIA
and
I.
Believe.
G
It's
also
then,
provided
that
it's
it's
more
of
a
review
of
the
process
that
was
followed
to
make
sure
the
correct
process
was
followed
and
then
finally,
you
know
to
give
recommendations
back
to
it's,
not
a
review
of
whether
or
not
the
complaint
was
was
founded
or
unfounded,
or
decided
correctly
or
incorrect
incorrectly
by
the
police
department.
It's
rather
a
review
of
the
overall
process
and
whether
or
not
there
need
to
be
other
implementational
changes
as
part
of
that
review.
I
speak
correctly.
Mr.
Taylor,
yes,.
K
H
Again,
that
was
that
was
broadly
discussed
in
our
in
our
deliberations.
With
reference
to
the
rules,
a
complaint
may
file
a
complaint
either
with
the
Bloomington
City
Police
Department
through
the
city
legal
department
or
at
a
PSE
our
be
public
meeting.
There
is
a
box
located
in
our
meetings
for
anyone
to
drop
off
a
written
complaint.
H
That
process
is
then
reviewed
by
the
city
legal
department,
where
they
will
then
begin
the
redaction
process
to
make
sure
that
the
that
the
complainant
and/or
the
police
officer
in
question
those
identities
are
kept
confidential,
so
that,
at
the
time
that
the
police
are
that
the
PSCR
be
reviews
the
complaint.
Then
we
don't
have
the
identity
of
the
individual,
who
filed
a
complaint
nor
the
identities
of
the
police
department.
The
police
officers
that
the
complaint
may
be
directed
to
thank.
K
A
A
Okay
approved
by
all
the
woman
Schmidt
and
seconded
by
all
the
woman
painter
any
further
discussion.
Okay,
if
you
go
ahead
and
vote
votes
already
recorded
8
to
0,
there
are
no
nays
to
announce
madam
clerk.
Thank
you
very
much
and
again,
thanks
to
the
entire
board
for
all
their
hard
work
and
I
turn
this
over
to
mr.
Clark
who's.
Already
here
to
the
exciting
world
of
corrective
asphalt
materials.
A
M
We
can
make
it
more
exciting,
mayor
and
city
council
when
we
say
we
all
care
about
streets
and
we
hear
about
it
regularly
early
and
often,
and
so,
if
we
keep
doing
what
we've
always
done,
we
can't
expect
any
different
results.
So
one
of
the
things
that
our
staff
and
Public
Works
has
done
is
trying
to
find
innovative
ways
to
continue
to
stretch
the
life
of
what
we
do
have,
and
so
we
talked
a
lot
about
resurfacing
program.
Our
thanks
to
you
for
passing
that
we
have
that
underway.
M
It's
been
bid,
we're
actively
working
on
that
as
we
speak.
City
manager
asks
the
interim
city
manager
Rasmus
and
wanted
to
take
this
to
you,
so
you
could
really
see
and
get
a
sense
of
what
efforts
we
are
trying
to
to
move
forward
on.
You
can
see
how
we
break
down
the
budget.
What
we're
really
trying
to
do
is
really
have
a
very
cost-effective
way
to
stretch
the
life
of
the
pavement.
M
This
pavement
preservation
isn't
resurfacing,
but
it
does
stretch
the
life
of
what's
there,
and
so,
whenever
we
approve
that
we
know
four
million
dollars
we
got
out
of
that.
You
know
about
25
streets,
three
alleys,
now
now
this
type
of
work
that
was
for
four
million
for
resurfacing-
that
cost
us
about
$35,
a
square
yard.
Now
in
comparison
when
you
look
at
pavement
preservation
for
the
reclamators,
about
88
cents,
a
square
yard
and
and
for
the
C
85,
that's
just
over
$2
a
square
yard.
M
Now
the
the
you
know,
whenever
you
look
at
paid
the
length
of
life
of
the
streets
on
the
arterial
road,
they
last
not
nearly
as
long
as
the
residential
roads,
but
what
this
does
is
the
REC
LaMotte
stretches
the
line
four
to
seven
years,
every
application
and
we're
trying
to
just
take
this
this
life
cycle.
What
you
see
on
the
screen,
the
if
you
just
resurface
the
street.
We
know
that,
depending
upon
whether
it's
an
arterial,
a
collector
residential
every
year,
the
pavement
quality
goes
down.
M
It's
a
no-brainer,
the
biggest
detriment
to
roads
are
the
heavy
trucks
and
Sun
and
water.
Those
of
you
know
those
are
this:
the
killer's
the
pavement,
and
so
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
the
right
treatment
at
the
right
time,
and
so
what
you're
approving
is
when
the
the
street
right-of-way
is
done.
We
are
coming
in
that
year
or
within
that
first
year,
to
do
a
rec,
lanai
treatment
and
I'll
show
you
some
pictures
in
just,
but
then
about
four
to
five
years.
After
that
we
come
again
with
another
wreck
lament
and
with
the
curve.
M
What
that
does
is
that
takes
the
curve
and
it
pushes
it
back
up
it
stretches
and
lengthens
the
life
of
that
curve
out.
So
it
allows
the
road
to
to
last,
instead
of
18
to
20
to
25
years,
we're
looking
for
3035
years
of
length
for
that
that
pavement
life,
and
so,
whenever
you
talk
about
dollars
that
we
spend
we're
going
for
the
long
game
here,
we're
trying
for
the
knot
this
isn't
and
next
year,
we're
gonna
start
seeing
this
payoff
we're
looking
at
you
know
the
ten
to
twenty
year
mark.
M
We
want
to
start
seeing
that
curve
tip
with
our
infrastructure
and
that's
why
we're
spending
this
money
now.
So
we
appreciate
your
continued
support.
We've
been
doing
this
since
2011
we've
started,
and
we
did
this
because
of
a
pilot
project.
We
did
in
2007
and
we
tried
some
things.
We
started
looking
at
as
a
staff,
and
we
saw
this
really
has
some
positive
benefits,
and
so
we
really
really
jumped
into
this
now.
M
What
you're
gonna
see
is
two
different
types
of
work:
you'll
see
rejuvenator
the
reclamation,
then
you'll
see
more
of
the
cat5,
the
restorative
seal,
the
rejuvenator
that
reclamators,
what
you
see
when
we
come
in
right
at
the
resurfacing
put
the
oil
down,
put
the
sand
down.
Then
some
people
wow
it's
a
brand
new
street.
Why
are
you
putting
sand
on
our
street?
We're
doing
that
because
well
I'm,
just
gonna
jump
right
to
a
picture
here
to
show
you
so
that
you
can
see
that
top
portion
is
the
treated
section
of
a
pavement.
M
If
it
doesn't
allow
the
water,
the
water
will
even
bead
on
the
pavement
and
so
the
watersheds
right
off
the
street.
It
fills
in
the
voids
it
seals
it.
That
is
the
benefit
when
it's
untreated.
The
water
sits
in
the
pavement
that
that's
where
it
starts
to
do
more
of
the
damage
gets
into
that
underneath
of
the
pavement.
It
causes
more
issues
and
so
we're
trying
to
again
help
one
of
the
failure
mechanisms
for
our
street
infrastructure
and
so
again
tonight
we're
just
more
of
a
quick
education
section
as
a
session.
M
A
M
N
A
O
M
The
long
term
that
the
long
game
is
this
you
do
within
that
first
year
you
do
one
recomment
after
four
or
five
years,
you
come
back
and
do
another
wreck
lament.
The
cat5
is
that's
debatable
because
it
depends
upon
you
know
when
it
reaches
that
rating,
a
for
just
before
the
potholes
start.
That's
when
you
really
want
to
do
the
cat5
we've
done
it
on
a
wide
range,
we're
still
testing
out
when
it's
effective,
but
that
cat5
is
what
again
you'll
see
those
limestone
chips
that
come
in.
M
That's
when
it's
the
thicker
more
the
thicker
material,
the
limestone
chips,
we've
improved,
even
our
own
application.
A
few
years
ago
we
had
the
the
dust
storm
that
that
happened
in
Bloomington
thanks
to
Public
Works.
We
were
trying
through
the
new
treatments
and
so
the
the
dime
stone
chips
that
we've
been
able
to
refine
and
get
better
material,
and
so
that's
more
of
that
type
of
treatment.
So
the
goal
is
to
stretch
that
curve
out
to
where
you
go
to
more
of
the
you
know,
thirty
to
forty
year
mark.
That's
really
the
goal
so.
M
Treatments
of
recomment
of
cat5,
we
have
actually
considered
once
we
get
to
that
pavement
life.
Looking
at
whether
we
can
do
a
second
second
cat5
treatment
can.
Is
it
worth
it
because
again,
a
cat5
is
two
dollars
and
ten
cents
and
and
resurfacing
mill
and
fill
is
thirty-five
dollars.
Those
two
comparisons.
It.
You
know
you
really
just
want
to
try
this
Treach
the
life
as
much
as
you
can.
Okay,.
O
M
We
actually
are
about
to
burn
out
our
one
engineering
technician
who
Jeff
Cole
is
his
name.
He
actually
was
one
of
the
unawarded
you're
going
to
be
seen
on
june
11th.
He
won
a
statewide
award
for
the
efforts
that
he
has,
so
we
have
one
individual
that
does
our
puts
together.
All
of
our
contracts
for
paving
I
does
all
the
inspection
he
does
all
the
inspection
for
the
reclamation.
All
the
pavement
preservations.
He
Abbe
dates
at
all
in
GIS.
M
So
this
is
one
person
and
he
this
is
about
the
capacity
of
what
he
can
handle
and
so
we're
actually
trying
to
find
other
ways
for
us
to
expand
it
because
actually
I'm
a
big
fan
of
even
expanding
this
program,
but
we
wanted
to
do
it
in
the
right
way
as
we
saw
success,
do
it
more
okay!
Thank
you.
Other.
A
P
You
very
much
mayor
I
just
wanted
to
introduce
this
by
putting
in
perspective
a
little
when
we
had
talked
about
the
tax
increment
financing
three
or
four
weeks
ago.
One
of
the
things
that
the
council
asked
is
that
before
we
move
forward
on
any
other
TIF
actions,
if
we
could
somehow
have
some
sort
of
a
policy
or
guidelines
about
how
we
would
handle
TIF
in
the
future,
so
that
then
the
council
could
act
on
that
and
then,
as
we
move
forward,
we
would
have
some
guidelines
to
operate
mine.
P
And
so
what
we're
proposing
here
is
to
bring
this
back
to
you
today.
And
so,
when
you
see
this
this
resolution,
for
it,
it
says
for
possible
action.
So
if,
at
the
end
of
the
day
you
like
what
this
one
is,
you
could
act
on
it
or
if
you
do
not
want
to
act
on
it,
you
could
put
it
off
or
you
could
modify
it
and
we
could
bring
it
back
to
you
later.
But
I
did
want
to
acknowledge.
P
First
of
all
that
the
TIF
in
some
cities
in
the
past
has
been
abused
and
we
acknowledge
that,
but
we're
a
dedicate
as
the
staff
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
let
that
happen
in
this
city,
because
it
is
a
powerful
tool
that
can
be
used
in
economic
development
and,
as
we
know,
we
have
some
economic
development
challenges
ahead
of
us,
but
we're
working
to
put
together
a
policy
here
that
would
work
for
everyone
concerned
and
I
know.
I've
been
talking
to
a
dr.,
Riley
and
I
hope.
P
And
to
that
end,
I
wanted
to
ask
Bob
martyr,
Director
of
Community
Development,
to
give
us
a
little
bit
of
background
on
where
we
are
on
tax,
increment
financing
and
help.
People
understand
that
and
then
invite
some
of
the
other
people
here
to
speak
and
I.
I
hope
that
dr.
Riley
and
some
other
people
come
up
and
give
their
views
on
it
as
well.
Okay,.
A
Thank
thank
you
Stephen,
as
long
as
we're
500
feet
just
want
to
say
also
in
obviously
in
our
community.
The
great
partnership
that
unit
5
and
normal
has
in
you
know,
has
certainly
helped
take
an
EPA,
Superfund
waste
site
and
abandoned
buildings
and
vacant
lots
and
turned
into
an
engine
of
economic
growth
that
said
great
spill,
overs
for
unit
5
and
the
whole
community,
but
so
we'll
go
below
500
feet
or
whatever
metaphor
you
want
to
use
Bob
well,.
Q
Thank
you
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
have
a
conversation
tonight
on
significant
economic
development
tool
that
could
be
used
for
the
city
of
Bloomington
I
kind
of
wanted
to
just
do
a
quick
overview
of
the
prior
tips
within
the
community.
Some
of
the
existing
tips
that
we
have
in
place
and
then
an
overview
of
some
of
the
potential
tips
that
we
might
have
in
the
future.
A
bit.
A
Q
In
the
late
80s,
three
tips
were
generated
by
the
community,
that
was
the
Veterans
Parkway
redevelopment
project
from
1986
to
1993,
the
Market
Square
redevelopment
project
area
from
1986
to
2009
and
the
downtown
Bloomington
redevelop
in
project
area
from
1986
to
2009.
That
was
a
very
significant
one
that
encompass
of
roughly
54
blocks
in
our
downtown
area
very
large
in
comparison
to
the
other
tips
that
we've
had
within
our
community.
Q
More
recently,
we've
had
the
Empire
Street
corridor
redevelopment
project,
starting
in
2016,
the
downtown
south
redevelopment
project
area,
also
in
2016,
and
some
of
the
ones
that
are
in
play
right
now
and
for
further
discussion
is
the
proposed
Downtown,
East
Washington
redevelopment
project
area
and
then
the
potential
North
Main
Chestnut
Street
redevelopment
project
area.
So
you
have
a
general
overview
of
that
where
we
were
in
the
past,
we're
where
we
are
currently
and
where
we
might
go
in
the
future.
Q
Q
The
next
one
is
the
Market
Square
redevelopment
project
that
also
went
from
1986
to
2009
in
qualified,
as
both
a
conference,
conservation
area
and
a
blighted
area,
and
some
of
the
notable
projects
in
that
are
the
pilot
truck.
Stop
the
market
square
shopping
center
and
I
will
say
that
many
of
those
businesses
are
still
in
place.
Q
I
think
some
of
them
are
getting
a
little
tired
right
now,
but
you
can
see
from
the
infrastructure
in
that
area
that
that
infrastructure
is
still
in
place
and
those
businesses
and
the
vacancy
rates
in
that
immediate
Shopping
Center
are
still
current.
So
the
next
one
is
the
downtown
Bloomington
redevelopment
project
area
and
that
went
from
1986
to
2009.
Q
There
was
some
carryover
for
some
legal
issues
that
were
dealing
with
there,
but
that
area
the
entire
54
blocks
was
designated
at
a
blighted
area
and
that's
significant
because
the
the
blighting
factors
criteria
has
to
be
met
and
there's
they're
very
high
standards
in
the
TIF
acts
to
meet
those
criteria
and
to
have
that
entire
boundary
as
a
blighted
area
back
in
99
in
1986.
It
was
significant
at
that
time.
So
through
that
process
we
had
roughly
49
redevelopment
agreements,
some
actually
created
projects,
some
were
laid
laid
to
rest.
Q
They
didn't
they
didn't
fulfill
their
obligations.
But
what's
the
biggest
thing
that
I'd
like
to
a
stress
here,
is
that
the
equalizer
assessed
value
in
that
TIF
area
increased
a
hundred
and
forty
five
percent
over
that
twenty
three
year
period,
and
we
can
kind
of
go
into
that
detail
here.
So
the
equalizer
assessed
value
when
they
started
the
TIF
in
nineteen
nineteen.
Eighty
six
was
twelve,
roughly
thirteen
million
dollars
and
at
the
end
of
the
TIF
it
was
roughly
thirty
two
million
dollars.
Q
So
there
was
a
significant
increase
in
the
equalized
assessed
value
and
just
playing
some
quick
math.
If
we
took
a
general
figure
of
two
percent
a
year,
let's
just
say,
that's
a
standard
increase
in
equalized
assessed
value.
If
we,
if
we
looked
at
that
number
of
two
percent
for
that
three
years,
we'd
have
roughly
20
million
dollars
of
every
increment,
so
you're
you,
you
saw
some
significant
increase
in
the
equalized
assessed
value
on
this
on
this
project
area.
So
I
think
that's
something
that
does
kind
of
show.
Q
Some
success
for
Tiff's
in
our
downtown
area,
some
of
the
specific
projects
I'd
like
to
kind
of
go
over,
so
you
can
kind
of
see
what
TIF
eligible
projects
can
be
done
in
in
our
in
our
community.
So
this
was
the
Russell
France
Francois
offices,
roughly
72,000,
in
public,
in
incentives
that
were
provided
to
it
for
historic
rehabilitation,
exterior
wall,
repair,
waterproofing
and
storefront
restoration,
and
that
building
still
stands.
Q
The
coffee,
hound
and
Ivy
Lane
bakery
again,
roughly
leveraging
private
of
one
hundred
eighty
two
thousand,
with
publican
incentives
of
80
thousand
to
bring
that
project
together
the
castle
theater,
which
is
still
still
a
vibrant
business.
In
our
downtown
area,
the
castle
theater
itself.
We
had
public
costs
of
385,000,
total
project,
investment
of
100
1.2
million
and
also
the
condo
build-out
on
the
upper
story.
Q
We
had
a
investment
of
1.7
million
in
our
downtown
area,
of
which
four
hundred
sixty
six
thousand
was
public
incentives
for
the
restoration
of
that
historic
building
and
the
last
one
I'll
call
the
Corn
Belt
Bank,
building
a
two
million
two
point:
1
million
dollar
project
in
our
downtown
for
the
historic
rehabilitation,
the
elevator
system
and
the
office
build-out,
and
that
was
undertaken
in
2001.
So
you
can
kind
of
see
how
how
TIF
money
can
be
used
to
leverage
some
private
investment
to
really
maintain
and
enhance
our
downtown
area
or
any
TIF
area.
Q
So
these
are
the
new
TIF
areas
that
we
have
within
our
community
and
adopted
in
2016.
It's
a
relatively
large
TIF
area,
going
from
basically
a
Veterans
Parkway
along
Empire,
the
Empire
Street
corridor,
all
the
way
to
Colton
Avenue,
where
the
high
school
project
is
or
high
school
is
right.
Now,
roughly
65
parcels,
the
area
was
identified
as
blight,
but
what
the
biggest
thing
here
is
that
the
equalized
assessed
value
had
been
declining
over
a
period
of
time,
and
so
how
do
we
stop
that,
through
through
economic
development
efforts?
Q
And
in
this
case
the
TIF
is
working
towards
that
effort.
You
can
kind
of
see
here
from
the
map.
It's
a
very
rarely
extensive
area,
starting
with
the
area
along
Veterans,
Parkway
and
Empire.
That's
the
area
of
the
Colonial
Plaza
and
we're
seeing
some
redevelopment
activity
there.
We
also
see,
from
the
far
west
side,
you'll
see
the
the
high
school
project
so
you'll
see
some
areas
that
are
developed
commercially
you'll
see
some
areas
within
this
TIF
corridor
that
are
that
are
publicly
owned
buildings.
Q
A
A
Q
The
thing
about
the
the
Colonial
Plaza
and
what
you'll
see
is,
as
example
here
is,
is
we're
not
just
fully
incentivizing
with
the
use
of
TIF
we're
also
using
the
hybrid
of
some
sales
tax
rebates
there.
So
in
the
colonial
Plaza
redevelopment
project
we
had
roughly
75%
of
the
increment
goes
back
to
the
developer
up
to
a
point
and
then
roughly
a
third
of
the
sales
tax
rebates.
So
the
entire
incentives
for
that
11
million
dollar
improvement
is
roughly
a
maxed
out
at
four
million
dollars
for
incentives
and.
Q
I
would
probably
say:
I'm
not
completely
familiar
with
the
redevelopment
agreement,
but
basically
what
they
had
was.
My
understanding
was
on
the
sales
tax
rebate.
It
was
valid
for
10
years
up
to
2
million
thereabouts,
and
then
the
remainder
was
the
increment
up
to
the
75%
of
the
increment,
so
that
that
remainder
of
the
increment
can
be
used
in
other
areas
of
that
Empire
Street
corridor
plan
for
new
streets,
sidewalks
and
I
will
give
you
an
example
of.
Q
Within
the
last
month
you
approved
the
eligibility
of
the
fairway
Drive
intersection
improvement
as
a
TIF
eligible
project
in
this
district,
and
what
you've
done
is
established
that,
as
a
TIF
eligible
an
increment
come
back
into
that
project
area
will
be
able
to
transfer
those
funds
from
I,
believe
we
get
it
as
MFT
from
MFT
back
into
from
the
TIF
monies
to
pay
off
that
to
that
MFT
monies.
So
it's
an
opportunity
to
leverage
that
increment
for
other
purposes,
aside
from
commercial
redevelopment,
so
you're
seeing
those
infrastructure
investments
as
well.
Q
The
Downtown
Southwest
redevelopment
project
area
was
adopted
in
2016
six
point:
four
acres,
13
parcels
is
there
about
what
you're
seeing
there
is
the
area
qualified
for
both
blight
and
cons,
conservation
areas
and
I?
Think
what
you're
seeing
here
is
a
realization
and
an
attempt
to
meet
the
the
taxing
districts
requirements
on
targeted
tips.
Q
So
we
go
from
some
of
our
earlier
tips
were
rather
large,
the
54
blocks
of
the
downtown
area
to
starting
going
to
these
targeted
TIF
areas
which
in
this
case
the
downtown
Southwest
TIF,
which
is
the
Elks
building
the
front
and
center
building
at
roughly
two
and
a
half
blocks.
So
we're
not
doing
these
expected
of
the
taxing
districts
to
keep
these,
not
only
the
terms
identify
the
terms
of
the
Tift
timeline,
but
also
to
look
at
the
tips
that
meet
the
minimum
standards
in
order
to
bring
about
that
redevelopment.
Q
The
pending
TIF
in
front
of
the
the
City
Council
in
the
coming
weeks
is
the
downtown
Southwest
redevelopment
project
area
actually
I'm,
sorry
that
should
have
been
the
ethos,
downtown
East,
Washington
redevelopment
project
area
and
that
that
encompasses
about
four
and
a
half
blocks,
bordered
on
basically
centered
on
Washington
Street,
but
bordered
on
the
north
by
Jefferson
and
on
the
south
on
front.
It
includes
the
former
junior
high
school
project
or
property.
You
had
previously
signed
a
redevelopment
agreement
for
that
for
that
proposal
pending
the
TIF
approvals.
Q
That
area
did
not
qualify
as
blight
and
therefore
it
was
blanked
out
of
the
TIF
area,
so
that
would
not
receive
incentives,
if
requested
through
the
TIF
district
and
then
the
last
one
that
we
need
to
chat
about
is
the
city
council
did
approve
a
feasibility
study
for
the
north
main
slash
chestnut.
Read
it
Street
redevelopment
project
area,
I,
guess
some
folks
would
call
this
the
Broman
hospital
or
the.
Q
Not
familiar
with
the
terms,
but
I
think
we
all
know
which
one
we're
talking
about
we're
looking
there
at
about
eight
and
a
half
acres,
five
parcels.
You
know
this
is
one
of
those
ones
where,
even
though
we've
done
the
feasibility
study,
it
really
depends
on
the
development
that
likely
would
occur
here.
So
if
it
were
to
be
a
sales
tax
generator,
then
you
may
not
need
to
use
if,
if
as
opposed
to
a
residential
kind
of
component
or
something
or
a
mixed-use,
that
may
have
a
mix
of
both
TIF
and
and
sales
tax.
Q
So
so
I
I
understand
where
the
school
districts
coming
from.
Does
everything
have
to
be
test?
The
answer
is
no.
Can
we
can
we
evaluate
the
terms
of
our
agreements
or
the
terms
of
the
TIF?
Yes,
can
we
make
them
target
it
and
shrink
them
in
size
so
that
they're
they're
not
abusing
the
standards
that
we
want
to
create
for
TIF
I?
Think
we
can?
You
know
and
those
those
are
some
of
the
things
we
need
to
have
in
this
conversation
tonight.
I'm
open,
I'm,
open
minded
about
this.
Q
We
want
to
work
with
our
taxing
district
partners
on
on
moving
forward
on
this.
The
economic
development
guidelines
I
think
when
you
approve
the
former
City
Council's,
approved
the
economic
development
guidelines
in
2012
I,
don't
know
that
TIF
was
really
on
the
radar,
and
so
what
we're
asking
tonight
or
in
the
future
meeting
is
to
look
at
these
guidelines
as
a
supplement
to
our
existing
economic
development
guidelines
and
that
way
staff
knows
where
to
come
from
and
where,
when
we're
negotiating
or
we're
considering
areas
for
redevelopment.
A
K
I'm
sitting
here,
listening
to
Bob
and
I'm
very
concerned,
because
maybe
I
have
more
history
than
most
of
our
staff.
I
was
called
in
in
2009,
so
I've
been
working
for
you
all
this
time
to
close
out
the
test
and
I
can't
tell
you
how
Bob
is
so
correct,
because
those
initial
tips
were
massive
and
for
several
years
I
was
working
for
you
advising
you
representing
you
in
conjunction
with
other
negotiated
agreements,
and
they
were
not
TIF
agreements.
We
did
Ashley
Furniture,
we
did
green
top.
We
did
I'm
trying
to
think
of
the
sales
tax.
K
We
tried
to
seriously
focus
on
sales
tax
and
using
your
revenue
sales
tax
as
incentives,
but
it
just
isn't
always
enough,
as
shown
by
the
TIF
project
that
is
currently
before
you,
which
does
not
appear
to
have
any
retail
sales
with
regard
to
the
Empire
Street.
If
we
have
committed
sales
tax
in
each
and
every
instance
where
it
in
fact
happened
so
that
I'm
very,
very
proud
to
be
working
with
the
city
of
Bloomington,
because,
as
the
mayor
mentioned,
I
cannot
tell
you
I
have
observed,
please
that
I
haven't
been
a
part
of
many.
K
Many
TIF
districts
that
have
been
abused,
and
so,
as
a
result
of
the
experience
and
working
with
our
interim
manager
and
his
predecessor,
we
have
taken
on
a
policy
of
the
smaller,
the
better,
the
smaller
the
better
and
the
only
thing
reason
there
should
be
a
project.
The
original
downtown,
as
you
well
know,
and
gives
an
example
of
why
I
am
proud
to
support
this
city
is
that
that
was
a
project
that
was
proposed
to
us.
We
established
the
TIF,
however,
with
the
scrutiny
of
staff
Consulting's
and
the
concurrence
of
this
City
Council.
K
There
were
no
one
just
given,
because,
even
though
we
had
established
the
TIF,
the
project
that
was
presented
to
us
did
not
seem
to
be
economically
viable,
so
we
as
a
city
and
I
being
proud
to
represent,
you
have
said
no,
where
the
project
did
not
demonstrate
economic
viability,
and
so
that
makes
it
a
very,
very
easy
job.
So,
with
regard
to
expanding
the
your
your
positions
in
terms
of
policies,
I
think
you
are
implementing
and
should
be
put
in
writing
to
reconcile
with
the
schools.
Two
very
important
aspects,
number
one.
K
You
never
TIF
more
inch,
not
an
inch
more,
then
you
absolutely
need-
and
you
never
incentivize
without
an
absolute
demonstration,
that
there
is
a
gap
in
financing
and
but
for
your
assistance.
The
project
could
not
would
not
go
forward
and
those
two
principles,
I
think,
will
keep
you
on
track
and
continue
and
provide
a
continuation
of
the
record
that
you
have
provided.
Let
me
give
you
an
example
and
I.
Look
this
up,
because
working
with
the
school
districts
is
paramount.
K
It
would
appear,
however,
if
if
we
succeed
in
those
tips,
our
projections
that
if
we
were
able
to
develop
those
properties,
would
in
fact
result
in
an
increase
in
the
eav
from
0.5
for
to
over
2%,
and
so
our
goal
is
our
goal
is
to
redevelop
well
what?
If
we
don't
do
it?
The
reality
is
in
this.
Bob
went
through
the
history
of
what
we
are
currently
undertaking
as
her
and
the
current
policy.
You
have
not
considered
it
if,
unless
it
has
been
demonstrated
to
you
that
the
eav
of
the
proposed
area
has
continually
declined.
K
So
if
we
didn't
do
it
because
the
ones
we're
talking
about
there
weren't
ability,
there
isn't
any
ability
to
come
up
with
retail
sales,
tax
rebates,
abatements
or
whatever.
We
do
not
have
that
opportunity.
We
we
can
only
look
to
the
TIF
district
and,
if
we
maintain
I
mean
if,
if
it
continues
to
go
down-
and
we
maintain
what
we've
been
doing,
nothing
we're
not
providing
a
benefit
to
any
taxing
district
or
to
the
community.
So
the
fact
of
the
matter
is
your
policy
that
you
have
demonstrated
and
to
put
it
in.
K
Writing
sounds
like
a
good
idea
to
me.
It's
the
only
TIF
areas,
as
you
have
with
these
last
three
instances
where
it
has
been
demonstrated
to
you
that
the
EAB
is
declining,
which
means
do
something
please,
because
you're
not
helping
anyone
not
doing
anything
number
one
number
two
and
don't
incentivize,
and
there
was
a
suggestion
here
that
we
have
incentivized
big
businesses,
yet
hasn't
been
my
experience.
In
fact,
we've
tried
to
keep
it
with
local
developers
as
an
example
in
the
downtown
and
I,
don't
know
where
we
have
incentivizing
Ashley,
Furniture
or
a
larger
group.
K
K
If
you're
done,
it's
demonstrated,
the
eav
has
been
declining
so
that
you
should
be
doing
something
and
number
two
do
not
incentivize
any
business
unless
it
can
be
proven
to
you,
as
you
have
reviewed,
with
the
original
proposals
of
downtown,
unless
it
can
be
recommended
to
you
that
the
project
would
be
economically
viable
and
the
request
for
incentive
is
the
minimum
out
need
to
make
the
project
economically
viable.
I,
hope
that
helps
I
hope
it
has.
It's
bit
of
pot
can't
believe.
A
L
Thank
you
very
much.
Could
you
speak
a
little
bit
about
I
was
interested
to
have
Bob
Mart
talk
about
the
Veterans
Parkway
redevelopment
project
and
the
fact
that
it
ended
in
seven
years
and
I
think
some
of
the
conversations
we've
had
with
the
school
district
has
to
do
with
the
23
years,
and
you
know
the
fact
that
you
could
have
a
child
who
would
never
who
could
go
through
our
public
schools
and
never
actually
see
the
benefit
of
that
TIF,
which
I
think
is
a
pretty
striking
example.
L
K
You
shorten
the
length
of
the
tip
before
you
adopt
it.
You've
just
shot
yourself
in
the
foot,
because
how
can
you
then
determine
what
is
the
minimal
economic
incentive
for
a
particular
project?
And
you
should
review
this
as
an
absolute
project
by
project
basis?
So
you
don't
know
those.
So
it
happens.
Number
two:
the
veterans
TIF
there
weren't
any
projects
in
the
veterans
tip
as
I
recall,
yeah.
Any
of
you
know,
because
that
was
the
world
jhummer
hotel.
It.
N
K
L
K
G
F
Q
Okay,
so
so
the
project
that
did
that
did
generate
an
increment
would
have
been
the
jhummer
hotel
and
conference
center,
regardless
of
its
name
change
in
the
future
or
the
past.
The
Lakewood
Plaza
shopping
center
and
then
the
the
dealerships
that
surrounded
veterans
and
I
believe
that's
General
Electric,
except.
N
Q
Will
be
honest
with
you:
I,
don't
know
the
incentives,
the
redevelopment
agreements
that
were
signed
within
that,
but
the
increment
generated
by
those
commercial
redevelopments,
because
the
road
went
went
through
and
and
the
detent
regional
detention
basins
went
in
some
of
these.
This
one
was
more
infrastructure
based
that
then
spurred
though
I'm.
K
When
each
agreement
specifies
a
termination
date,
because
you
have
to
look
at
each
agreement,
decide
the
minimal
amount
of
set
incentive
that
should
be
awarded
and
then
do
a
projection
on
how
long
it
would
take
to
achieve
that
amount,
and
so,
if
it's
sooner
or
later
now,
here's
the
other
issue,
which
is
why
I'm
totally
confused
about
this.
But
none
of
us
were
here,
is
if
you
approve
a
redevelopment
project
today,
okay,
it's
built
over
the
next
year.
K
It's
then
taxed
and
then
the
receipt
of
the
Texas,
because
we're
you're
behind
isn't
until
the
following
year.
So
before
you
even
get
out
of
the
box,
you
incentivize
a
project,
yes,
but
you
don't
even
begin
to
reap
the
incentive,
the
actual
increment
for
prop
approximately
three
years.
So
that's
why
I'm
confused
about
this?
It
would
take
legally
because
of
our
taxing
system,
three
years
to
produce
the
increment,
how
they
were
ever
able
to
get
it
done
in
four.
Has
me
stymied.
A
K
Before
you
got
increment
so
only
four
years
of
increment,
so
that's
what
it
is,
but
that
is
history.
The
reality
is
now
an
answer
to
your
question:
that's
why
it
is
so
difficult
to
decide
an
end
date
at
unless
it's
on
a
project-by-project
basis
and
not
to
decide
an
end
date
for
your
tip.
You
never
know
when
the
developer,
the
developer
may
walk
in
the
door
today
that
doesn't
mean
he's
going
to
begin
today.
K
I
K
I
Not
gonna
be
that
much
longer
I'm
sure,
I,
guess
I'm
mostly
curious
at
a
higher
level.
Part
of
this
resolution
came
out
of
conversations
that
we've
been
having
with
the
school
district
about
how
to
fairly
deal
with
some
of
these
issues
when
it
comes
to
tips,
how
do
other
communities
in
Illinois
kind
of
sort,
these
sorts
of
challenges
out
so
in
terms
of
making
sure
that
schools
are
treated
fairly
when
it
comes
to
TIF
districts
and
and
how
to
municipalities
interact
with
that?
What's
the
best
practice
in
other
areas
is.
K
In
fact,
in
this
own
City
I'm
not
only
done
TIF
work,
we've
done
code
enforcement,
work
and
ordinances
together,
but
anyhow,
so
the
the
point
of
the
story
is
those
are
the
two
best
best
Maxim's
that
you
could
is
utilize
TIF
to
the
minimum
amount
necessary
to
provide
an
incentive.
The
what
the
baddest
news
if
there
were
such
a
word
is
baddest.
K
The
worst
possible
thing
that
I've
experienced
is
that,
if
you
don't
have
a
TIF
you're
out
of
the
ballgame,
we
have
demonstrated
as
a
city
in
the
instances
I've
talked
about
that
where
we
had
a
retail
development
and
we
can
incentivize
a
retailer,
we
have
used
real
estate
sales,
tax
rebates
solely,
and
only
that's
to
your
credit.
However
other
than
that
I,
don't
know
how
to
express
to
you
the
frustration,
the
city
of
Bloomington
feels,
as
do
most
other
municipalities.
K
The
problem
is,
is
that
the
schools
represented
the
largest
part
of
the
real
estate
and
tax,
our
real
estate
tax,
and
so
the
incentive
is
somehow
to
induce
a
developer
by
giving
them
some
break
on
the
task.
Tax
tip
does
not
give
them
a
break
on
the
tax
tax,
but
it
reimburses
the
for
some
of
the
costs,
so
they
can
pay
their
tax.
It's
kind
of
you,
you
understand
tips,
so
you
understand
how
frustrating
it
is
absolutely
right.
K
K
We
don't
do
it.
We've
demonstrated
you've
spent
a
lot
of
time,
effort
and
money
investigating
proposed
projects
to
make
sure
that
you
don't
do
this
I
mean
I
was
here
well
for
the
I
was
here
with
you
trying
to
work
it
through
and
it
didn't
work
out
so
that
I
do
know,
and
there
are
other
instances
where
the
city
has
said
no
and.
A
K
A
K
A
H
O
A
I
K
Are
more
structured,
the
policies
that
I
have
seen
have
not
been
as
tightly
structured.
Is
you
our
as
your
staff
is
willing
to
recommend
to
you?
It's
not
to
say
other
municipalities,
don't
follow
those
policies,
but
here
you're
ready
to
put
it
I
mean
your
staff
is
recommending
put
it
in
writing
so
that
the
schools
understand
you
are
committed
to
those
principles.
Thank
you.
All.
A
J
J
K
Is
a
way
to
the
extent
that
we
do
not
have
a
project
to
incentivize
or
an
immediate
used,
it
improves
the
area
and
especially
the
one
that's
presented
to
you
now
I
mean
it's
such
a
small
area,
there's
very
little
infrastructure
that
can
be
done.
That
surplus
should
be
declared
as
often
as
humanly
possible.
K
There
is
always
a
way
to
if
a
TIF
district
impacts
a
taxing
district
in
any
way
and
I'll
give
you
an
example,
one
of
the
first
examples.
I
had
it
was
in
a
shopping
center
and
because
of
the
way
the
redevelopment
of
the
shopping
center
would
occur.
The
bus
barn
for
the
school
had
to
be
moved
that
had
to
be
paid
for
out
of
TIF
any
impact
that
a
development
has
on
a
school.
K
You
know
the
law
protects
schools
that
if
there
is
a
residential
development
and
the
residential
development
has
children
that
result
in
an
increase
of
the
population
of
the
school
district,
the
TIF
Act
has
a
formula
for
how
you
must
pay
that
we
have
not
dealt
with
Residential's
tips.
We
kind
of
stay
away
from
them
and
try
to
utilize
it
more.
K
For
the
commercial
areas,
which
is
again
a
very
good
policy,
so
yes
to
the
extent
the
taxing
district
has
an
impact
in
dollars
and
cents
because
of
some
development,
they
should
be
reimbursed
number
one
and
the
law
provides
for
that
number
two.
If
there
are
funds
that
are
not
committed
and
not
to
be
utilized
for
development
or
improvement
in
the
TIF
districts,
those
should
be
declared
a
surplus.
K
K
You
mayor
and
thank
you
so
much
for
your
thoughtful
responses
and
for
explaining
a
little
landscape
of
TIF
to
us.
So
as
we
take
up
this
ordinance
we're
looking
to
establish
a
philosophy
that
will
increase
revenues
overall
for
our
taxing
districts
and
and
and
and
achieve
some
objectives
in
revitalizing,
our
our
city
and
our
blighted
areas.
When
we
think
about
adding
additional
philosophy.
K
To
the
suggestion
we
do
not
have
a
mandate
on
project
labor
agreements
with
regard
to
using
local
contractors.
If
that's
what
you're
saying,
because
you
run
into
snags
in
terms
of
discrimination
and
in
terms
of
our
city,
collective
bargaining
agreements,
so
that
we
have
not
made
a
mandate,
but
we
have
mandated
prevailing
wage.
So
that's
where
I
defer
to
job
yeah.
G
G
That
the
prevailing
wage
should
apply
to
private
commercial
economic
development
projects
directly
supported
by
public
funds,
including
projects
supported
by
tax,
increment
findings,
financing
or
tax
incentives
of
any
kind.
And
then
there
are
some
other
provisions
about
that
as
well.
So
you
do
already
require
in
your
prevailing
wage
ordinance.
It's
a
it
actually
is
approved
every
June,
the
new
one
will
be
coming
up
in
the
next
couple
of
meetings,
so
you
do
have
language
on
requiring
prevailing
wage
for
tipped
projects.
Now
that
said,
we
do
not
have
as
Kathy
or
said.
G
K
Difficult
to
work
that
type
of
a
commitment
with
prevailing
wage
which
in
collective
bargaining
agreements
and
utilization
of
the
services
of
unions,
because
it's
not
often
that
the
base
may
be
here,
but
the
individuals.
How
do
you
judge
it?
How
do
you
review
it?
Why
would
you
want
to
get
into
laborers,
so
it
gets
to
be
very,
very
touchy
as
to
where
a
laborer
lives,
as
opposed
to
using
local
businesses
to
the
greatest
extent
possible
that
doesn't
guarantee
residency
or
that
we're
using
local
laborers
see.
Thank
you
very
much.
K
A
I
So
I
guess
that's
a
topic
that,
if
we're
talking
about
philosophies
and
how
we
structure
these
misses
this
isn't
to
me
an
urgent
document
that
needs
to
be
approved
for
it.
Some
conversation
about
the
school
districts
I'd
be
interested
in
exploring
more
about
what
the
implications
of
a
PLA
would
be,
and
maybe
it's
a
we
encouraged
through
TIF
districts.
You
know
a
higher
local
by
local.
We
already
have
one
of
that.
We
have
another
ordinance
out
there
in.
I
We're
gonna
go
back
and
talk
about
our
philosophy.
That's
going
to
impact
us,
because
what
in
twenty
twelve
mean
that
six
years
I'd
like
to
get
some
more
information
about
what
that
looks
like,
because
that's
important
to
me
as
much
as
it's
important
to
making
sure
that
the
school's
voices
is
being
heard.
So
I'm
not
ready
to
vote
on
this.
At
this
point
in
time
and
I'd
like
to
get
more
information
on
those
two
pieces
prior
to
a
final
vote.
Q
E
R
E
To
go
back
to
a
couple
of
comments
that
have
been
made
here
tonight,
all
during
black.
You
asked
the
question
of
what
are
some
communities
doing
relative
to
dealing
with
this
I
can't
speak
to
all
of
them,
but
I
can
tell
you
that
nearly
half
of
the
counties
in
the
state
of
Illinois
now
have
the
countywide
sales
tax.
Some
of
those
counties.
You
can
attribute
that
directly
to
school
districts
being
impacted
by
tests,
we're
not
one
of
those
counties.
E
E
I
can
tell
you
that
as
school
districts
and
I
can't
speak
for
everyone
in
the
county,
but
I
can
certainly
tell
you
my
colleagues
that
I
talked
to
do
not
feel
really
good
about
trying
to
go
back
to
the
ballot
to
try
to
use
that
as
a
means
to
address
some
of
our
needs
and
that
only
carries
with
it
facility
needs.
It
does
not
allow
us
to
pay
for
things
that
really
matter
in
the
classrooms,
not
the
facilities,
don't
matter,
because
they
very
much
do.
E
I
also
want
to
mention
that
one
of
the
comments
that
mr.
Martin
made-
and
this
is
just
a
clarification-
it's
not
a
big
deal,
but
when
we
talk
about
the
Empire
Street
corridor,
that
area
that
runs
from
basically
Veterans
Parkway,
all
the
way
to
200
Plaza
captures
Bloomington
high
school
and
the
junior
high
school.
Within
that
we
qualify
as
a
conservation
area.
It
was
kind
of
described
as
a
blighted
area
in
totality
I.
Do
not
want
people
walking
out
of
here.
E
Thinking
that
Bloomington
high
school
and
Bloomington
junior
high
are
blighted
areas
it's
anything,
but
that
when
you
drive
down
that
corridor
today
and
I
think
that,
hopefully,
that
signals
to
you
that
we
see
our
role
in
economic
development
as
a
true
partner,
and
we
the
vital
need
for
that.
We
really
do
think.
That's
important
I
also
want
to
talk
just
briefly
about
the
downtown
TIF
that
ended
in
2009
that
23
year,
TIF,
where
you
saw
that
chart
where
we
had
some
growth
I
encourage
you
to
go.
E
Do
some
research
and
look
at
the
cost
of
living
and
how
that
went
up
over
that
same
time
and
see
if
that
growth
was
right
in
line
with
that
I'm.
Not
so
sure
it
was
regardless
of
that.
I
can
tell
you
that,
as
it
grew
from
roughly
12
million
dollars
to
over
30
million
dollars,
there
was
nothing
that
rolled
back
to
the
school
district.
That
increment
for
the
school
district
stayed
at
that
amount
during
that
time.
So
it's
not
like.
E
We
had
additional
dollars
that
were
coming
to
us
on
the
basis
of
that
tip
and
now
we're
at
a
time
where
that
has
rolled
off.
Basically,
we
started
to
see
some
additional
dollars
come
to
us
I
believe
it
was
in
2010
1112
somewhat
in
that
realm,
but
we're
now
at
a
point
in
time
where
all
of
us
know
that
economic
development
is
tough
to
come
by.
That's
why
you're
talking
about
tests
and
we
get
that
we
see
that
we're
a
vital
partner.
E
We
understand
that
you
play
a
vital
role,
and
so
do
we
all
of
the
City
Council
members.
Here,
our
elected
officials,
you
see
the
people
in
the
purple
shirts.
Those
are
elected
officials
as
well.
They
answer
to
the
taxpayers
of
Bloomington
district
87,
which
is
about
ten
and
a
half
square
miles
within
the
city
limits
Bloomington.
So
we
completely
understand
the
importance
of
that.
So
if
I
get
a
little
pointed
in
my
comments,
it's
not
because
we
haven't
had
good
communication
with
mr.
Rasmussen,
more
recently
with
mr.
E
Jergens
conversations
with
you
as
individuals,
it's
just
simply
to
impart
on
you
collectively
how
we
not
only
feel,
but
with
what
we
believe
in
relative
to
Tiff's.
For
many
years,
this
school
district
has
requested
that
test
be
structured
so
that
we
receive
some
direct
benefit
before
the
end
of
the
typical
23
year.
Life
and
I
appreciate
that
there's
been
some
conversation
about
that
and,
as
you
look
at
the
resolution,
that's
been
put
in
your
packet
tonight.
There's
been
some
dialogue
and
back
and
for
discussion.
E
That's
happening
about
that,
but
know
that
we
do
not
agree
to
what
is
in
there
currently
we'd
like
to
see
more
teeth
into
that
properties
can
be
removed
from
the
TIF
when
they
are
fully
developed
like
the
one
that
they
recently
did
normal
mayor.
You
mentioned
that
there
are
things
that
could
be
really
good
for
us.
That's
one
example
of
that
districts.
Eighty-Seven
share
of
the
increment
can
be
less
than
one
hundred
percent
of
the
tax
rate
are
phased
out
over
the
life
of
the
TIF.
E
There
was
some
talk
about
the
Veterans
Parkway
one,
but
I
would
caution
you
on
that
until
you
get
the
facts
because
it
doesn't
sound
like
we
have
that
tonight,
the
city
could
simply
compensate
district
87
for
the
loss
of
its
increment
I
doubt
that
that's
going
to
happen,
but
I
appreciate
your
comments
about.
Can
we
get
it
less
than
23
years
we've
been
asking
for
that
for
a
long
time
at
the
February
12th
council
meeting,
several
council
members
expressed
concerns
regarding
TIF.
We
thank
you
for
that.
E
It
was
well
stated
at
a
joint
resolution
or
a
Memorandum
of
Understanding
should
be
agreed
upon
between
the
city
and
the
school
district
as
to
TIF
project
projects,
as
it
was
also
stated
by
several
council
members
that
district
87
is
looking
for
relief
from
the
standard
all
in
for
23
year
TIF.
We
appreciate
that
you've
talked
about
that
tonight.
E
There's
been
a
great
deal
of
debate
about
the
effectiveness
of
TIF
you've
heard
tonight
how
important
they
are
their
role
in
economic
development,
but
you
should
also
do
your
research
that
they're
not
always
the
answer.
Some
examples
were
given
tonight:
the
green
top
grocery
area,
that
was
an
abatement
of
five
year
tax
abatement
short
term,
did
the
job
I
think
everyone
was
happy
with
that.
We
were
on
board
with
that
that,
by
the
way
is
a
tax
incentive
that
you
have
to
get
approved
by
the
taxing
bodies.
E
A
year
district
87
levies
an
amount
it
needs
to
educate
its
students.
We
keep
talking
about
the
TIF
area.
The
money
goes
to
development.
We've
talked
about
roads
intersections
I've
heard
not
once
have
I
heard
money
going
to
the
education
of
the
kids
in
the
public
school
district,
that
was
within
those
TIF
boundaries,
and
that
ought
to
be
a
priority
to
the
extent
that
the
district's
87's
levy
goes
to
the
developer.
It's
not
going
to
educate
students.
E
So
what
I
think
we're
asking
of
you
is
if
you
believe
that
public
public
public
education
is
important
and
I
know
you
do
I'm,
not
suggesting
you
don't.
We
would
simply
say
stated
in
the
resolution
and
that
doesn't
just
hold
for
district
87.
You've
got
a
you've
got
a
Unified
School
District
out
there.
E
We
thank
you
for
your
consideration,
we're
certainly
more
than
willing
to
continue
that
dialogue
and
we
want
to
be
good
partners
when
it
comes
to
economic
development,
because
we
know
we
all
benefit
from
that.
We
do
as
a
school
district.
We
know
you
do
as
a
city
and
when
I
talk
to
you
individually,
I
know
you
care,
so
do
we
it's
not
that
we
believe
that
Tiff's
are
not
the
answer.
E
You
know
on
select
occasions,
but
more
and
more
we're
feeling
that
there
isn't
an
appetite
to
go
less
for
the
largest
taxing
body,
especially
at
a
time
when
State
dollars
are
tough
to
come
by
our
assessed
values
are
flat,
sometimes
go
down,
or
if
they
go
up,
it's
very,
very
small.
Look
at
your
own
tax
bills.
You
can
probably
tell
that
yourself
and
we're
really
working
hard
to
do
right
by
what
we
have
just
like.
You
are
with
your
money,
so
I.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
O
Just
want
to
say
thank
you
for
presenting
that
I
mean
I,
think
that
you're
right
that
all
of
us
up
here
appreciate
the
position
that
the
state
has
put
the
school
districts
in
everywhere.
Well
in
every
educational
institution,
not
just
our
school,
our
high
schools,
but
you
know,
I,
think
that
I
appreciate
the
fact
that
we've
had
a
lot
of
open
conversations
in
order
to
keep
the
dialogue
going.
It's
very
easy
to
stop
that
and
start
pointing
fingers
at
each
other.
O
O
Yeah
I
just
a
couple
of
thoughts,
so
I
was
actually
the
president
of
the
downtown
Bloomington
Association
at
the
time
where
that
tip
was
shutting
down
and
I
have
random
numbers
that
are
forever
lodged
in
my
head.
So
I
know
that
the
the
the
downtown
area
I
figured
it
out
outpaced
inflation
by
5%
inside
of
that
tip
district
and
there,
and
we
also
had
calculated
out
at
the
time
that
the
increment,
once
the
increment
got
released
back
to
both
the
city
and
to
the
school
district.
O
There
was
a
23-year
buildup
period
for
that
that
sales
tax
increment,
but
we
figured
out
it,
was
going
to
be
completely
repaid
in
seven,
so
I'm
just
curious.
You
said
that
you
know
when
we
were
talking
about
you
in
your
comments.
You
said
that,
when
the
phrase
that
the
school
districts
not
hurt
when
we
lock
and
eav
in
on
a
property
in
an
area,
if
that
evap
has
been
going
down,
how
is
the
school
district
hurt
if
we
can
actually
stop
the
going
down
and
go
back
up?
E
O
I
think
that
that's
one
of
our
major
considerations
will
be
been
using
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
is
that
the
EI
V's
got
to
be
going
down
for
it
to
be
considered
a
blighted
area
and
pretty
much
every
tip
that
we've
looked
at
that
I'm
aware
of
has
had
that
qualification
of
the
blighted
area
in
there,
with
the
exception
of
the
school
district,
not
being
blighted
right,
the
high
school
in
the
junior
high,
not
being
blighted
conservation
area
I
think
it
was
a
good
phrase
right.
It's.
O
Believe,
yes,
you
know
I'm
just
I
I
appreciate
where
you
guys
are
at
and
I,
and
we
want
to
do
right
for
the
school
district,
so
I
think
we've
got
a
lot
of
things
we've
been
talking
about,
but
you
know
is
I.
Just
don't
want
to
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
on
the
straight
that
there
are
times
where
we
don't
have
opportunities
to
do
anything
other
than
the
TIF
okay,
but
I
can
think
of
a
bunch
of
other
projects
that
we've
done.
O
You
know
where
we've
just
done
property
tax
abatement,
so
the
five
year
ones
like
you're
talking
about
I,
think
of
Ruth
and
Joe
Haney
with
the
Salvation
Army
former
building
literally
had
a
wall
fall
into
the
road,
and
now
it's
eight
beautiful
apartments
and
condos
in
there
and
I
think
that
was
a
five
year.
Tech
property
tax
abatement.
So
you
know
there
are
I,
think
I
can
think
of
multiple
examples
where
we
have
used
other
things.
E
I
think
you're
you're
actually
giving
the
answer
that
I
would
give
you
that,
when
you
look
at
the
assessed
values
that
could
be
going
down
in
a
particular
area
and
you're
considering
development,
we
would
ask
that
you,
you
look
at
those
other
ways
to
incentivize.
If
incentivizing
is
the
way
that
we
have
to
go,
and
we
recognize
that
that
you're
in
competition
we're
all
in
competition
for
other
communities.
We
know
that
what
we're
trying
to
impart
on
you
is
look
at
other
ways
to
incentivize,
but
not
only
look
at
that.
E
If
you
determine
that
a
TIF
is
your
one
and
only
best
option,
then
look
at
ways
you
can
work
with
the
taxing
bodies,
in
particular
the
school
district,
to
lessen
the
impact
of
it
on
the
school
district.
So
I
would
tell
you
to
start
by
looking
at
other
ways
that
are
shorter
term,
as
opposed
to
the
23
year.
Tiff,
okay,
I.
A
C
Don't
have
any
questions
just
a
couple
of
comments
based
on
the
conversation
this
evening,
which
I
think
it's
been
very,
very
helpful
across
the
board
and
understanding
tips
better
and
and
getting
to
an
idea
of
what
it
is
we're
here
to
do,
and
I'm
really
pleased
I
think,
there's
a
theme
that
that's
developing.
It
says
that
notion
that
we
are
here
to
collaborate
and
that
economic
development
is
about
partnership
and
working
together
for
the
benefit
of
the
city
and
everyone
who
lives
here
and
all
the
taxing
bodies
and
I
think
very
clearly
to
me.
C
The
message
tonight
is
that
the
way
to
have
a
very
effective
and
trusting
partnership
is
to
have
a
written
document
that
clearly
sets
forth
our
goals
and
how
we're
going
to
about
go
about
doing
our
business
and
so
I'm
excited
about
this
policy.
I
think
it'll
go
a
long
way
in
helping
all
of
us
make
sure
that
our
collaborations
are
successful,
but
I
did
want
to
echo
Scott's
thoughts
for
this
evening.
C
That
I
think
is
too
soon
to
vote
right,
I,
think
and
for
two
reasons
very
similar
to
what
Scott
said
number
one
I
think
we
should
give
this
more
time
to
work
with
the
school
district
and
also
any
other
any
other
taxing
bodies
who
want
to
provide
comments
to
us
so
that
we
can
continue
to
move
towards
consensus.
We're
getting
pretty
close,
I
think
I,
think
you've.
We've
come
a
long
way
into
getting
a
document
that
everyone
agrees,
States
our
shared
values
and
that's
very
exciting
and
I.
C
Think
that's
a
good
goal
to
continue
working
towards
the
other
one
is
the
bringing
up
a
new
potential
value,
which
is
not
a
new
one
to
the
community,
which
is
this
notion
of
prevailing
wage
and
potentially
project
labor
agreements.
I
think
that
conversation
has
value
as
well
to
make
sure,
at
the
very
least
that
this
document,
whatever
we
end
up
voting
on,
reflects
those
policies
that
are
already
in
place.
C
So
you
know
I
think
that
a
little
more
time
to
have
this
conversation,
I,
don't
know
if
anyone
else
has
the
thought
process
on
how
long
that
might
take,
but
certainly
I'm
excited
the
progress
we've
made
and
hope
that
we
can
get
to
a
point
where
we'll
be
ready
to
vote
on
something
in
the
near
future.
Thank
you.
K
A
A
K
No
one
and
in
the
Plus
about
that
is
that,
because
every
nickel
would
be
increment,
the
first
penny
would
run
increment.
Those
are
the
types
of
developments
that
give
you
better
opportunity
to
collaborate
with
the
taxing
districts,
because
the
increment
will
be
immediate
and
it
will
be
sufficient
if
we
keep
Part
B
of
our
policy,
which
is
to
incentivize
as
minimally
as
necessary
to
get
the
development
underway
and.
A
If
I
could
related
to
that,
because
she
said
something
else
that
at
least
at
500
feet
without
digging
deeper
might
be
viewed
as
contradictory
and
I
think
I
know
what
the
answer
is,
but
I'm
asking
that
question
anyway,
you
had
said
you
would
shoot
yourself
in
the
foot
if
you
did
not
do
something
like
a
23
year.
Tough
to
start
because
you
don't
know
how
long,
because.
K
Doesn't
negate
the
fact
that
you
could
still
collaborate
and
utilize
the
percentage
that
you
don't
require
for
an
incentive?
I
think
that
that
is
more
important.
If
I
may.
In
my
opinion,
that
may
be
more
important
because
you
may
need
a
percentage
of
the
tip
or
one
project
in
the
TIF
generates
increase
in
values
of
the
immediately
surrounding
buildings.
So
you
do
have
increment.
A
K
E
E
And
the
other
thing
I
would
add,
is
that
remember
you
can
you
can
choose
to
do
less
than
100%
of
the
increment
from
district
87?
You
don't
have
to
do
that.
Those
things
can
be
worked
in.
So
those
are
the
kinds
of
things
we
would
encourage
you
to
think
about,
because
it
just
seems
as
though
it's
all
in
and
we're
saying
that
let's
look
at
ways
to
lessen
the
impact
on
the
school
district.
I
understand
it.
E
K
Thank
you,
mayor
I'm,
so
just
for
a
quick
clarification,
you're
talking
about
ways
to
minimize
impact
on
the
school
and
the
operation
of
the
school
and
you'd
made
mention
of
limiting
use
of
residential
projects
in
TIF.
Can
you
speak
a
little
bit
about
that,
because,
obviously,
that
has
an
impact
when
you.
K
J
K
It
doesn't
impact
the
school
districts.
What
we
have
what
we
have
proposed,
the
the
only
other
problem
is
that
we
can't
declare
a
surplus
or
we
work
with
one
taxing
district.
If
you
have
surplus,
that's
all
or
none,
and
you
can't
make
a
payment
in
lieu
of
taxes
without
distributing
equally
to
all
of
the
taxing
districts,
so
that
if
you
took
a
proportionate
share
of
the
school
district,
unfortunately
the
way
the
law
is
written,
we
couldn't
give
it
back
directly
to
the
school
district.
E
And
just
because
there's
no
residential
doesn't
mean
there
isn't
an
impact
on
the
school
district.
You
take
that
Empire
Street
corridor
TIF,
the
sales
tax
is
a
ten
year
sales
tax.
This
city
receives
that
benefit
after
ten
years
that
as
that
increment
grows,
and
it's
growing
because
the
area's
doing
fairly
well.
As
my
understanding,
the
school
district
does
not
receive
a
dime
of
that.
If
that's
incorrect,
please
let
us
know
of
the.
E
Q
A
Q
Q
K
The
way
the
agreement
was
structured
was
a
maximum
amount
for
ten
years
we
put
in
sales
tax.
After
that,
the
balance
due
would
be
would
be
with
the
real
estate
taxes.
We
were
a
maximum
of
a
20-year
term,
however,
as
mr.
Mart
says,
only
seventy
five
percent
of
the
real
estate
taxes
are
committed
to
the
project,
so
there's
a
25
percent
play
even
with
the
sales
tax,
even
with
the
real
estate
for
20
20
years,
so
that
there
may
be
when
it's
at
its
full
value.
K
So
there
will
always
be
in
a
potential.
We
pray
that
there
might
be
surplus,
but
there
are
other
items
that
we
want
to
fill
in
in
the
Empire
Street
project
and
as
we
overcome
those
infrastructure.
Yes,
hopefully
before
23
years,
there
will
be
declarations
of
surplus.
But
right
now
the
projections
are
just
to
get
the
show
on
the
road
with
the
development
we're
trying
to
incentivize,
but
you're,
absolutely
correct
with
that.
C
C
Want
to
make
sure
I
understand
what
was
just
said,
so,
even
once
that
development
meets
the
goals
of
this
development
agreement.
When
that
development
agreement
is
no
longer
in
play,
it
goes
away,
they
don't
that
property
doesn't
drop
out
of
the
chip.
It
always
does.
Okay,
all
right,
thank
you,
but
could
we
could
choose
to
prove
it
out
the
test?
Various.
K
Ways
that
we
either
do
we
keep
most
will
different
in
my
experience
prefers
to
keep
it
in
and
declare
surplus.
You
would
have
to
look
at
the
dollars
and
cents
at
that
time.
The
tax
rate
at
the
time
when
you
get
there,
you
sit
down
and
you
look
at
and
you
work
collaboratively
as
to
what
would
be
a
better
action
on
the
part
of
the
City
Council
to
benefit
the
school
district
and
that's
what
we
generally
to
get
there
as
a
wonderful
thing,
it's
a
wonderful
problem
to
have
I
hope.
We
have
it
soon.
Okay,.
I
O
K
K
K
O
Q
Thought
I
had
my
draft
copy
of
the
of
that,
but
we
can
provide
that
it's
actually
online.
The
redevelopment
agreements
is
online
when
you
go
into
our
Economic
Development
website,
you'll
see
the
redevelopment
agreements
that
are
already
in
place
and
those
are
easily
available
to
take
a
quick
reading
as.
Q
I
Q
This
is
the
reason
we're
here
tonight
on
recessing
kissed
and
it
wasn't
to
elaborate
on
individual
Tiff's
project
areas
so
you'll
see
within
the
resolution
there
is
there,
isn't
an
understanding
that
there
are
economic
development
incentives
that
we
that
the
city
can
use
in
certain
instances
and
in
this
case
we're
talking
about
TIF,
specifically
so
under
Section
three
of
the
proposed
resolution.
This
is
the
city's
wording.
The
school
district
has
an
alternate
wording
that
you
can
compare
and
contrast
against
where
we're
at,
but
the
colors.
Q
There
are
some
common
themes
here
that
we're
in
general
agreement
with
and
and
they
can
offer
their
their
perspectives
on
this,
but
the
first
one
under
section
3a,
the
city
manager,
shall
thoroughly
consider
the
available
alternatives
to
TIF
and
review
the
benefits
of
the
alternatives
to
tiff
with
the
private
developers
and
the
taxing
district
I.
Think
communication
is
key
to
us
and
I
think
we're
learning
about
that
tonight.
We've
had
some
meetings
with
the
school
district
and
I
think
you
know
you
we're
taking
that
to
heart.
Q
So
I
think
that
communication
is
available
to
us,
be
the
city
manager
shall
file
a
written
report
with
the
City
Council
listing
the
alternatives
to
TIF
and
detailing
the
communications
held
with
the
private
developers
and
the
taxing
districts
regarding
the
alternative,
statists
and
their
use.
So
I
think
again,
this
is
another
communication
tool
that
the
city
manager,
with
input
from
staff
can
get
that
information.
You
know
to
the
to
the
City,
Council
I.
Think,
there's
a
question
here
as
to
at
what
point
do
we,
our
our
negotiations,
open
to
the
public
and
I?
Q
Think
there's
a
certain
point
here
where
some
of
our
draft
works
probably
wouldn't
be
directly
communicated,
but
it's
something
that
we
would
in
part
to
it
to
our
people.
Their
numbers
see
the
city
manager
shall
provide
an
opportunity
for
the
appointed
leaders
of
the
taxing
district
to
review
prior
to
adoption
by
the
City
Council,
the
City,
Council's
purpose
and
basis
for
creation
of
a
new
redevelopment
project
area,
which
is
a
TIF
district,
and/or
consideration
of
a
read
new
development
or
redevelopment
agreement
that
utilizes
the
TIF
Act.
Q
The
city
manager
shall
also
maintain
communication
between
the
city
and
the
taxing
districts
in
regards
to
the
city's
implementation
of
the
redevelop
plans
for
each
of
these
city
city's
designated
redevelopment
project
areas.
I
think
this
is
a
something
that
we
could
when
we
have
a
joint
review
board
meeting.
F
Q
Taxing
district
number
two
limits:
the
term
of
the
designation
of
a
redevelopment
project
area
to
the
time
required
to
achieve
the
completion
of
the
redevelopment
project
plan
and
payment
of
the
city's
obligations
to
any
project.
So
we've
talked
before
about
how
do
we?
If
the
plan
objectives
have
been
achieved,
can
we
dissolve
the
TIF
early?
Can
we
reduce
the
term
of
the
TIF
and
I?
Think
that's
possible
I!
Think
once
we
had,
you
know
I
think.
Q
Number
three
take
care
to
ensure
that
only
those
parcels
of
real
estate
which
are
not
liked
as
you
have
developed
or
redeveloped
without
the
benefit
of
TIF
tax,
are
included
within
the
boundary
of
the
redevelop
project
area.
I.
Think
we've
learned
our
lesson.
You're,
seeing
these
targeted
tips
we're
in
these
blocks
that
are
two
and
a
half
four
and
a
half
block
areas.
Q
We
had
a
good
discussion
about
that
this
evening
about
appropriately
incentivizing
the
developer
and
then,
if
there
is
some
surplus
that
that
surplus
can
be
directed
to
back
to
the
in
districts
and
I,
think
that's
an
appropriate
communication
review
each
redevelopment
project
annually
and
report
to
the
taxing
districts
in
writing
as
the
availability
of
surplus
funds
and
the
intended
use
of
surplus
funds.
I
think
that's
something
we
would
do
as
part
of
our
annual
joint
review
board
meetings
and-
and
this
is
a
specific
request
and
I-
think
we
can
meet
this
request.
Q
Number
six
limit
the
term
of
the
redevelopment
agreements
and
otherwise
ensure
that
the
amount
of
any
incentive
to
a
private
developer
be
limited
to
the
minimal
amount
necessary
to
fund
the
shortfall
of
the
redevelop
project,
as
demonstrated
by
the
developer.
In
order
to
proceed
with
the
redevelopment
project.
I
don't
have
a
problem
as
a
staff.
Q
Member
recommending
this
wording
I
think
what
I
have
problem
a
concern
is
that
the
wording
proposed
by
the
school
district
basically
negates
that
the
use
of
tiffith
at
all,
and
so
the
request
for
a
to
be
essentially
made
whole
through
a
TIF
project,
doesn't
allow
us
any
extra
monies
to
fund
these
private
developments.
So
you
you
all,
have
copies
of
the
school
districts
points.
What
I
did
want
to
do
is
just
touch
base
on
this,
so
we
can
continue
our
conversation.
A
Okay,
but
before
we
do
that,
there's
a
couple
things
first
of
all:
are
there
any
other
school
district
school,
any
other
taxing
districts
here
or
unit
5,
which
I
guess
is
the
physical
majority
of
our
city?
I
learned
that
tonight,
I
thought
was
about
50/50.
What's
wrong,
ms
or
I,
wonder
if
you
would
come
up?
Is
there
any
other
in
commenting
with
mr.
Mart's
comment
as
quickly
as
possible
and
we'll
go
to
a
motion?
Are
there?
Is
there
any
downside
to
that
or
to
this
particular
policy
or
the
school
district
amendment.
K
I
think
what
has
been
recommended
by
the
Community
Development
Department
seriously
narrows
the
scope
and
your
focus
in
utilizing
tests
and
that
to
commit
to
the
taxing
districts,
not
only
the
school,
a
proportionate
share
of
revenues
or
a
time
limit
at
the
beginning
really
would
limit
your
ability
to
incentivize
any
project.
Your
commitment
in
this
to
try
to
use
any
incentive
other
than
TIF
I
think
is
crucial
to
the
taxing
districts,
and
if
you
follow
that
in
and
of
itself
I
think
we
will
be
doing
a
service
to
the
community
that
that
they
deserve.
Okay,.
I
Q
I
Was
giving
the
staff
direction
the
following
items?
Number
one
review
a
component
to
the
policy
that
is
for
shop
local
by
local
hire
local
pla
s.
What
are
the
implications
in
that
conversation
with
this
policy
and
also
circling
back
and
perhaps
the
three-on-one
meetings
or
individually,
where
each
councilmember
stands
and
some
of
the
nuances
of
their
their
comfort
level
and
what
we
want
to
see?
Basically,
staff
recommendations,
yeah
I
think
that
captures
our
conversation
really
related
to
the
conversation
with
the
school
district.
Specifically.
Thank
you.
Okay,.
A
O
Will
obey
if
they
are
they
have
been
at
this
point,
they've
been
linked,
we're
right.
We've
said
we
did
not
want
to
pass
that
to
for
talk
about
that
TIFF
without
in
tonight's
discussion,
correct
they
continue
to
be
linked.
We
have
a
90
days
from
the
public
hearing
of
that
TIF
I
thought,
that's
true,
so
those
two
are
going
to
remain
linked.
We
have
a
specified
window
that
we
have
to
have
that
discussion
then
did
well.
P
They
are
I,
think
they're
linked
to
only
because
you
chose
to
LinkedIn
if
you
chose
to
continue
to
link
them.
We
continue
to
do
that,
but
this
discussion
on
the
policy
could
go
forward
and
you
could,
if
you
wanted
to
go
ahead
and
act
on
the
East
Washington
Street
TIF
or
we
could
let
that
one
go
and
take
it
up
later,
depending
on
the
council's
preference.
All.
A
P
F
K
F
I
P
A
N
A
A
A
The
motion
carries
8
to
0.
There
are
no
nays
to
announce
madam
clerk.
Thank
you
very
much
and
thank
you
for
a
productive
conversation.
Thank
you
to
our
district
87
partners
for
coming
and
joining
us
for
the
beginning
of
what
will
inevitably
be
a
long
conversation.
Thank
you
so
much
at
this
point.
Mr.
Rasmussen.
P
Thank
you
very
much.
We
have
actually
have
two
slides
for
you
today
as
part
of
the
city
manner.
Discussion.
One
is
the
one
that
I
want
a
list
of
the
upcoming
events
in
the
next
month
and
we've
included
here
both
the
public,
the
parks
and
recreation
grossing
arena,
the
Ice
Center,
the
library
in
the
Bloomington
Center
for
the
Performing
Arts,
and
so
there's
lots
going
on
in
the
next
month.
But
I
did
want
to
point
out
down.
P
If
you
the
last
first
item
we
have
this
weekend,
which
is
cogs
and
corset
which
is
Friday,
Saturday
and
Sunday.
We've
listed
the
events
there,
they're
still
tickets
available
and
I'd
suggest
anyone
who
is
not
going
to
join
us
in
this
second
annual
event
can
get
tickets
now
and
they're
available
from
the
Downtown
Development
Division.
A
And
you
made
my
job
a
little
easier
because
I
was
going
to
talk
about
cogs
and
corsets
as
well,
although
being
as
low
tech
as
I
am
I
did
not
have
a
slide
so
anyway,
the
thing
I
wanted
also
to
thank
was
we
had
a
great
turnout
yesterday
for
the
Memorial
Day
Parade
I
want
to
thank
Steve
Rasmussen
and
all
the
woman
helman
for
holding
the
city
sign
as
I
ran
back
and
forth.
At
least
you
did
not
have
to
drive
for
me
in
cold
weather,
but
thank
you
very
much.
Mr.
P
A
N
A
That
might
have
been
a
shameful
plug,
I
have
to
say
they.
The
two
happiest
days
of
my
life
were
the
day
I
bought
in
and
the
day
I
sold
it
at
this
point,
is
there
a
motion
to
dismiss
she's.
We
had
to
adjourn
a
move
by
the
all
them
in
black
is
our
second,
so
I
can
buy
all
the
woman
Hammond
all
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye
those
words.