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June 19, 2017 - Committee of the Whole City Council Meeting
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A
B
Wonder
if
everyone
could
take
their
seats,
please
thank
you.
Well,
we
can
open
up
those
doors
and
you
can
sit
in
the
back.
We
don't
have
to
stand
up
chief
more,
would
you
Steve
if
I
could
get
you
could
open
those
doors,
so
people
could
sit
from
the
very
back?
No,
it's
nice
to
have
standing
room
only,
but
not
standing.
If
you
don't
have
to
stand.
Thank
you
so
much.
B
C
B
Thank
you.
We're
going
to
start
out
with
a
proclamation
and
just
to
present
this
condemning
the
recent
violent
acts
in
Alexandria
Virginia
on
June,
14th,
2017
and
I
will
read
the
proclamation
and
as
whereas
the
city
of
Bloomington
City
Council
joins
the
nation
in
supporting
those
impacted
by
the
violent
acts
of
Virginia.
Excuse
me,
Alexandria
Virginia,
that
occurred
the
morning
of
Wednesday,
June,
14,
2017
and
worse.
B
Violence
is
not
an
acceptable
solution
to
political
disputes
and
now,
therefore,
we
condemn
the
recent
violent
actions
in
Alexandria
Virginia
and
extend
our
thoughts
and
prayers
to
those
who
are
impacted
by
them
signed
the
state.
Terri
Renner,
mayor
of
the
city
of
Wilmington,
want
to
move
on
to
the
next
whoops.
Excuse
me
item,
and
that
is
we
have
minutes
of
the
previous
committee
of
the
whole
may
15,
2017
and
I
believe
all
the
woman
Burgas
had
a
correction.
Yes,.
B
B
Actually,
we
should
should
have
done
the
point
of
order
myself
public
comment
beforehand.
This
is
a
business,
so
we
have.
You
have
up
to
three
minutes
and
again
public
comment:
you
can
come
if
you've
got
specific
issues
and
need
to
be
solved.
You
can
come
to
the
mayor's
open
house
on
every
Friday
before
regular,
Monday,
City
Council
meeting
from
4:30
to
5:30.
Don't
need
an
appointment.
You
can
just
come
on
by
so
I'm
going
to
read
these
in
groups
of
three,
so
you
can
come
forward.
F
We
want
to
thank
you
for
the
work
that
you've
done
on
this
issue
for
the
time
that
you've
taken
to
meet
with
community
members
on
this
and
for
the
ordinance
included
in
this
week's
packet.
We
think
this
is
a
great
proposal
that
embodies
the
recommendations
that
we
put
forward
to
you
last
month.
We
believe
that
all
of
us
are
here
today,
because
we
want
to
make
Bloomington
a
better
community
for
everyone.
F
B
My
name
is
Lenny
Garcia
and
I'm,
a
board
member
of
Illinois
People's
Action
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
organization,
to
express
our
support
for
the
proposed
Public
Safety
and
Community
Relations
Board
I'm,
also
speaking
today,
because
I
have
a
serious
issue
with
the
exclusion
of
certain
members
of
our
community
from
serving
on
this
board.
I
want
to
start
off
by
saying
that
I
encouraged
by
the
work
of
the
City
Council
to
drafting
an
ordinance
that
provides
the
people
with
the
opportunity
to
have
a
stronger
voice
when
it
comes
to
community
and
police
relations
will
create.
B
We
will
create
a
greater
sense
of
trust
and
accountability
by
providing
a
civilian-led
alternative
that
receives
and
reviews
complaints.
This
is
a
big
step
in
the
right
direction.
However,
I'm
concerned,
as
we
take
this
step,
we
are
leaving
many
people.
People
like
me
behind
you
due
to
the
pervasive
narrative
that
cuts
out
people
with
pastel
any
convictions
from
positive
growth
in
our
community.
Many
of
you
know
me
or
know
of
me
because
of
my
years
of
work,
I've
engaged
in
the
community
and
efforts
to
make
our
city
and
state
a
better
place
to
live.
B
My
commitment
to
this
effort
moved
me
to
run
for
City
Council
during
this
past
election.
As
many
of
you
are
aware,
I
was
forced
to
drop
by
campaign
due
to
a
statute
that
excludes
people
with
past
felony
convictions
from
serving
and
local
elected
office.
Several
of
you,
including
my
opponent,
during
this
election,
mr.
black
graciously
voiced
concerns
about
that
statute.
Well,
now
you
have
the
power
to
make
sure
that
this
is
justice
does
not
make
its
way
into
the
public
safety
and
Community
Relations
Board.
B
You
have
the
power
to
hold
true
to
your
values
and
make
space
for
everyone
to
do
good
for
our
community.
We
are
fortunate
to
live
in
an
active
community
and
many
of
the
people
who
keep
this
community
moving.
Are
people
with
backgrounds
like
mine.
People
like
myself,
who
have
made
mistakes
in
the
past
but
have
turned
their
lives
around
and
serve
their
community
should
not
be
punished
for
the
rest
of
their
lives
for
mistakes
that
were
made
years
ago.
B
G
Thank
you
all
for
your
time,
Michael
Herzog
on
the
second
vice
president,
here
of
the
Bloomington
Normal
branch,
the
n-double-a-cp
I'm
speaking
on
behalf
of
the
Alliance
in
general,
and
we
just
want
to
again
affirm
the
idea
that
we
support
the
ordinance
as
presented
to
you
all
this
evening.
I
appreciate
the
work
you've
done
thus
far
moving
us
along.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
Thank.
H
Hello,
my
name
is
Candace
and
I
am
a
resident
born
and
raised
in
bloomington-normal
I'm,
a
member
of
black
lives
matter
and
I
have
been
a
part
of
the
creation
of
this
PSC
RB.
From
the
beginning.
Many
of
you
on
the
committee
today
recognized
me,
because
I
have
sat
down
with
several
of
you
and
had
meetings.
H
We
have
with
you
in
several
meetings
over
the
last
few
months
as
well
as
she's
have
chief
Heppner
and
the
mayor
with
the
persistent
help
of
our
allies.
Together,
we
have
come
a
long
way
to
get
to
this
point,
even
though
you
have
seen
my
face
I,
don't
believe
that
all
of
you
really
know
me.
I
have
poured
my
heart
into
several
causes
in
my
lifetime,
starting
with
Illinois
people,
action
working
hard
to
protect
my
neighbors
and
my
country
from
predatory
lenders.
I
was
also
in
full
acting
support
in
the
keep
our
families
together.
H
Campaign
I
am
also
an
advisor
on
the
Jefferson
Street
Community
House
Board
I
dedicate
my
time
and
my
money
to
help
those
with
no
voice
better.
The
lives
of
those
who
have
lost
hope
and
I
will
continue
to
do
so.
However,
within
this
ordinance,
I
feel
this
may
be
the
end
of
the
line
for
me,
I,
like
many
others,
hard-working
folks,
fall
under
this
category
of
having
no
felonies
of
having
no
felon
being
on
this
board.
H
H
We
can
just
add
this
to
a
list
of
things
that
I
cannot
be
a
part
of
as
per
study
in
2014,
25
%
of
black
Americans
are
charged
as
felons
as
26.5
percent
of
non
blacks,
black
Americans,
one
of
the
many
things
that
just
go
to
show
the
disproportionality
that
results
from
system
and
systemic
racism
in
policing
and
the
criminal
justice
system.
This
ordinance
was
created
to
improve
our
current
situation.
Let
us
not
allow
racial
disparities
to
dictate
such
a
positive
change
in
our
community,
regardless
of
what
is
on
paper.
H
My
past
does
not
dictate
my
future.
My
past
does
not
dictate
my
ability,
it
does
not
dictate
my
education
or
the
hard
work
that
I
put
into
making
a
better
society
a
chain.
A
charge
does
not
dictate
who
I
am
or
what
I
am
about.
I
am
in
full
support
of
this
PSCR
bean
and
I
also
support
community
oversight
of
the
police,
but
I
challenge
each
and
every
one
of
you
today
to
think
about
who
you
are
leaving
out
and
to
amend
the
ordinance,
so
it
allows
others
like
myself
to
continue
the
fight
for
equality.
B
I
Wasn't
planning
on
speaking
here,
but
I
saw
you
hearing
me
so
I
thought
I
had
a
sip,
you
put
together
a
few
items
of
question.
You
want
to
have
people
on
this
board
that
have
a
reputation
for
fairness,
integrity,
impartiality
in
a
sense
of
public
service,
so
I'm
wondering
if
you
want
to
make
that
appointment
by
the
board
to
require
a
unanimous
decision
on
the
appointment
of
that
person,
so
that
person's
integrity
is
clearly
seen
as
someone
impartial
having
come
from
a
place
where
certain
people
were
untouchable
because
they
were
friends
of
certain
connected
people.
I
I
want
to
make
sure
that
there
is
no
idea
that
there
is
connection
between
there.
Also
in
opening
up
the
complaint
board,
could
it
be
made
online
so
that
anybody
with
a
notarized
copy,
conveying
complaint
and
not
have
to
go
either
to
the
police
department
or
the
new
review
board
to
file
those
complaints?
Those
complaints
would
go
to
the
review
board,
but
doing
that
and
I
also
have
another
last
question
on
here.
I
Sorry,
but
it
mentions
the
staffing
assistance
and
do
we
have
at
this
point,
what
that's
going
to
entail,
because
from
the
information
in
this
document
that
you
have
the
civilian
oversight
and
review
enforcement
item,
there
is
going
to
be
a
lot
of
assistance
that
this
board
may
be
meeting
and
just
wanting
to
make
sure
that
we
understand
what
we
are
talking
about
as
far
as
the
cost
of
these
items.
Thank
you
very
much
and
good
luck
with
your
deliberations
again.
B
B
J
B
Okay,
good,
it
just
does
a
little
bit
of
background
information.
I
think
that
probably
most
everyone
knows
that
the
I
did
a
little
bit
of
homework
in
talking
to
other
name
other
mayors
throughout
the
United
States.
Certainly
the
mayor
of
st.
Petersburg
Florida
that
I
know
as
well
as
the
mayor
of
Indianapolis,
have
had
police
review
boards
again,
one
underscore
review
as
opposed
oversight,
but
review
boards
have
their
perspective
on
it
is
that
it
has
very
often
been
very
helpful,
even
if
there
aren't
actually
a
large
number
of
conformal
complaints
that
are
necessarily
filed.
B
Sometimes
and
I
was
surprised
at
this.
A
large
chunk
of
cases
are
handled
where
they
just
recommend
an
apology,
and
that
again,
that's
not
everything,
but
there
is
apparently
in
some
cases
about
20
25
percent
were
the
figures
that
were
cited
to
me
in
st.
Petersburg,
where
that
wound
up
being
part
of
what
was
suggested
again.
It
also
can
mean
that
this
is
a
board
that
would
basically
report
its
findings
back
conclusions
to
the
police
chief,
who
can
take
them
under
advisement
and
respond
in
whatever
way
the
the
police
chief
thinks
is
appropriate.
B
Certainly,
there
are
varying
models
of
citizen
review
boards
that
are
in
our
packet
that
were
discussed.
Lots
of
information
has
been
presented
and
just
to
make
it
clear.
This
is
a
discussion
tonight.
We
are
not
acting
on
this.
We
any-any
if
there
seems
to
be
some
amendments,
are
in
order
or
whatever
we
can
certainly
have.
The
staff
make
those
changes.
The
action
on
this
is
scheduled
is
correct.
Mr.
Hales,
for
one
week
from
this
evening,
the
26th
certainly.
B
K
I'll
kick
it
off
Thank
You
mr.
mayor
and
thanks
to
staff
and
everybody
participated
in
this
process.
Thus
far,
I
had
sent
an
email
out
believe
was
this
morning
and
to
the
council.
I
think
Jeff
took
a
look
at
with
some
questions
and
some
clarifications,
and
it
got
sent
back
out
this
afternoon.
So
I
would
encourage
everybody.
Take
a
look
at
that.
Just
a
couple
of
pieces
that
I
would
want
to
talk
about
at
least
touch
on
and
really
in
no
particular
order.
K
B
K
J
K
One
there's
there's
there's
a
couple
ones
here,
but
and
again
in
no
particular
order.
You
know
I
was
inquiring,
why
we
call
it
citizen
complaints,
you
know
why
can't
we
just
call
it
resident
complaints
and
I.
Think
one
of
the
answers
is
and
is
that
we
don't
want
just
limited
to
people
who
live
in
Bloomington
budget
and
I'd
like
to
see
maybe
something
that's
more
general
I
I,
don't
know
what
the
best
way
the
best
legal
verbage
for
that
would
be.
K
K
The
the
piece
about
the
felonies
I
know
that
a
lot
of
folks
have
said
this
email
is
talking
about
that
sort
of
thing
and
I
agree
that
it's
really
very
unfortunate
that
having
a
felony
precludes
people
from
getting
involved.
I
mean
you
have
now
a
new
congressman
who
you
know
bodyslam
someone
I
got
elected
the
next
day.
I
mean
it's
crazy.
What's
allowed
and
it's
unfortunate
that
our
state
statute
really
prohibits
people
from
getting
involved
in
local
office.
K
Maybe
we
can
make
tweaks
and
adjustments
at
that
point
in
time,
because
this
want
to
make
sure
that
we
do
this
right.
This
is
a
very
important
thing.
I
think
this
represents
a
lot
of
different
groups,
as
we've
heard
come
forward.
Expressing
support
so
I'm
excited
I
hope
that
we
can
take
some
reflection
on
that
email
and
put
those
in
the
final
proposal.
B
L
Mathy
I
was
just
going
to
jump
in
on
that
and
say.
You
know,
I
think
that
in
that
section
item,
3a
says
that
the
people
who
are
appointed
there
have
to
be
found
of
solid
ethical
nature
and
I
think
that
that
pretty
much
should
take
care
of
what
we
need
to
unless
there's
a
legal
reason
prohibiting
us
just
because,
just
because
that's
the
way
we've
always
done,
it
doesn't
mean
that's
the
way
we
have
to
continue
to
do
it.
L
So
you
know
if
I,
like
the
idea
that
the
you
know
we
have
a
process
right
now,
where
appointees
are
vetted,
and
you
know
almost
of
a
with
references
almost
to
su
their
character
and
what
they've
done
in
the
community
and
and
I
would
like
that.
That
should
be
sufficient
for
that
particular
section
of
it.
I.
Also
one
of
the
things
I
wanted
to
talk
about
on
this
was
how
people
were
appointed.
You
know
we
have
some
of
our
boards,
for
instance
the
Planning
Commission.
L
Is
we
tried
to
divide
the
city
up
into
quadrants
and
but
one
person
from
each
quadrant
and
make
sure
what
resident
that
lives
in
each
of
those
areas
is
on
this
board
and
for
the
Planning
Commission
I?
Don't
want
to
see
us
do
something
like
that
for
this
board
I
think
it's
more
important.
We
look
at
a
new
way
to
do
this
and
one
of
the
ideas
that
struck
me
was.
L
B
I
understand
its
structure
so
yeah,
regardless
of
the
people,
but
how,
as
a
political
scientist,
how
does
that
work?
How
would
that
work,
larger
legislators
form
committees,
because
that's
what
they
usually
do
in
order
to
try
to
create
appointments
like
for
the
Congressional
Budget
Office,
a
Congressional
Budget
Office
is
a
legislative
appointment,
but
it's
done
through
a
committee.
L
You
know,
for
instance,
I'm
on
the
board
of
the
community
health
care
clinic
and
we
have
a
drop
in
the
name
of
it
right
now,
but
it's
basically
a
a
recruitment
committee
who
goes
out
and
solicits
and
tries
to
find
the
appropriate
people
who
would
be
best
serving
on
that
particular
board.
So
I
know
that
the
council
has
kind
of
gone
away
from
the
committee
structure,
but
and
that's
that's
just
one
option
of
a
way
to
do
that.
We'd
have
a
council.
B
M
You
I
tagged
on
to
to
Jamie
I,
also
felt
that
the
appointment
should
include
more
than
than
your
recommendation
that
it
should
be
come
from
the
council
as
a
whole.
Again,
as
Jamie
said,
nothing
against
your,
how
you
make
appointments,
but
this
is
a
no
offense
to
the
citizen,
Beautification
Committee,
but
this
is
a
little
different
than
the
citizen
Beautification
Committee,
in
terms
of
how
it
shapes
our
city-
and
the
other
thing
I
would
like
to
suggest
is
that
we
look
at
this
on
an
18-month.
M
Give
this
18
months
six
months
to
identify
the
people,
get
the
board
up
and
run
the
folks
train
the
board
up
and
running
and
then
a
year
of
actual
work
and
then
come
back
and
evaluate
the
the
work
is
being
done
and
the
value
of
it
to
us
as
a
city
right
and
I,
I'm,
sorry,
I'm,
jumping
back
and
forth
here
a
little
bit!
Sorry.
D
Had
a
question
based
on
those
comments
about
mayoral,
appointment,
etc
and
council
involvement,
because
section
2a
states
that
is,
that
they're
appointed
by
the
mayor
with
approval
of
the
City
Council,
so
I'm
kind
of
curious.
What
is
it?
What
process
you
envision
being
different,
because,
right
now,
we,
as
counsel
with
any
boarding
commission,
have
the
ability
to
review
the
qualifications
of
people
who
have
been
suggested
by
the
mayor
and
to
vote
yes
or
no
on
that
and
I
assume.
D
D
M
I
respond
mayor,
yeah,
usually
the
but
well
we
don't
have
a
when
they
come
to
us.
When
the
appointments
come
to
us
what's
on
the
agenda
or
we
may
have,
we
may
have
gotten
them.
The
appointment
forwarded
to
us
a
little
bit
earlier
than
that
from
Beth
right,
but
in
my
time
on
council
we've
only
not
approved
one
person
that
was
recommended
for
appointment,
so
I
feel
like
by
the
by
the
time
the
person
is
is
brought
before
us.
It's
it's
not
too
late,
but
it's
awkward
to
let
it
go
that
long.
N
Also
had
a
similar
question
about
that.
You
know
especially
having
gone
through
the
appointment
process
myself,
which
was
a
joy,
I
loved
it
and
I
would
do
it
again
and
I
if
I
remember
correctly,
I
I
think
we
all
of
the
other
council
members
and
I
think
Jamie
went
through
this
as
well
when
he
was
appointed
all
of
the
the
nominees
or
potential
nominees
were.
N
You
know,
put
forward
for
everyone
to
see.
So
we
knew
who
was
involved
in
the
process
and
you
know
had
the
opportunity
to
turn
them
down.
I
was
turned
down
the
first
time.
I
didn't
take
it
personally,
you
know
we
still
did
it
so
I
think
you
know
to
me
I
envisioned
something
similar.
You
know
that
we
could
do
something
similar
and
you
know
I
know.
B
K
B
N
N
E
E
Yes,
section:
five
rules
and
procedures
is
a
single
sentence,
and
this
is
kind
of
the
devil
in
the
details
sexy.
So
it
says
that
this
review
board
in
consultation
with
legal
and
police
will
establish
rules
and
procedures
for
the
transaction
of
business
and
I.
Wonder
if
we
could
just
flesh
that
out
a
little
bit.
Is
it
do
rules
and
procedures?
Are
they
going
to
be
reviewed
by
the
council,
or
is
it
just
completely
and
internal
to
the
review
board?
I'm.
O
Council
members
gave
me
above
all
here
to
kind
of
answer
your
question
there's
a
lot
of
ways
that
this
could
be
structured
in
terms
of
the
rules
and
procedure.
So
we
didn't
want
to
put
a
very
onerous
set
in
already
and
I
think
the
board,
with
the
guidance
of
the
legal
department
in
any
other,
our
participants
would
be
able
to
establish
them.
Some
of
the
other
cities
that
we
looked
at
or
bana
being
one
of
the
chief
ones,
has
a
very
structured
set
of
procedures
in
the
actual
ordinance
itself.
O
We
could
implement
those
same
types
of
procedures
via
rules
just
as
easily
as
as
if
they
were
any
ordinance
so
there.
If
you're,
looking
for
specifics
as
to
you
know
how
that
would
happen,
I
can
go
through,
but
it
is
very
detailed.
The
way
that
Ravana
has
done
it
so
that
might
be
technical
without
having
the
document
funny
and.
E
O
They
ala
see
is
they
are
that
the
rules
in
or
Banias,
for
instance,
are
embedded
in
the
actual
code?
They
have
the
voting
requirements.
The
different
types
of
findings
that
can
be
issued
a
lot
of
the
structure
is
in
place
in
the
code
itself.
Here
it
could
be
done
via
rule
or
it
could
be
done
via
code,
but
I
think
to
kind
of
simplify
the
document
it
was
it
was.
You
know
decided
that
we
put
this
one
for
it
and
see.
What's
council
thought
I
and.
E
O
E
E
B
B
Things
there
I
don't
see
why
it
couldn't
be
included
in
bed.
You
know
and
I
think
some
of
it
if
I'm,
not
I,
think
it
can
I'm
not
gave
it.
Wasn't
you
and
I
who
chatted
but
I
believe
it
was
mr
Boyle
and
mr.
Jergens
and
I,
and
the
city
manager
thought
maybe
especially
since
this
is
our
first
attempt.
I
we
keep
general
I
think
is
that
a
fair
statement
I
think
what
they
said
that
wasn't
correct.
O
And
I
think
that
part
of
the
issue
here
from
my
perspective
is
the
the
board
itself
is
going
to
have
a
lot
of
good
insight
as
to
how
many
types
of
avenues
of
complaint
filing
the
date
by
which
things
need
to
be
filed.
The
timeline
that
goes
from
the
complaint
being
filed
to
getting
to
the
chief
to
getting
an
internal
investigation
and
then
coming
back
to
the
board.
All
of
those
have
specific
dates,
for
instance
in
Havana.
J
Mayor,
if
I
could
just
one
other
explanation,
I
think
the
question
is
many
of
our
committees
may
be
those
that
are
maybe
quasi-judicial
I'm
thinking,
Planning,
Commission,
board
of
and
others
do
have
bylaws
you
know.
Even
the
council
has
rules
or
procedures.
So
it's
it's
not
unusual.
Sometimes
for
these
committees
to
to
prepare
and
to
follow.
You
know
some
internal
rules
of
procedure.
The
council
can
always
to
ordinance.
You
know
mandate
that
all
those
come
to
the
council,
or
maybe
just
some
of
those
or
you
may
just
say
in
this
particular
case
by
ordinance.
J
Those
rules
and
procedures
will
come
back
to
the
council
for
review
and
approval.
The
only
thing
I
have
found
in
in
many
of
these
boards.
Sometimes
they
will
need
some
flexibility,
the
chain,
those
year-to-year.
As
things
come
up
and
they
say
you
know
we
ought
to
really
put
that
in
our
procedures.
So
keep
that
in
mind.
But,
as
you
know,
you
may
want
to
very
well
start
out
with
those
being
established
by
ordinance.
J
But
then,
when
you
do
that,
you
know,
any
changes
will
also
need
to
come
back,
but
it's
not
necessarily
what
has
happened
with
some
of
the
others,
including
the
Fire
and
Police
Commission,
and
unfortunately,
we
found
out
there
a
few
years
back
that
had
been
so
long.
Since
any
rules
of
procedure
by
laws
had
been
adopted.
There
was
kind
of
a
major
modernizing
and
update
to
those
that
took
place
with
the
help
of
Angela,
Phi
and
Jimena,
so
just
thought
that
might
help
okay.
P
Well,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
visit
about
this.
I
know
each
of
us
have
taken
the
opportunity
meet
with
individuals
in
the
community
staff
and
various
stakeholders,
and
I
think
what
what
we
hear
is
that,
while
we
have
no
numbers
that
support
the
outcry
that
we
hear,
we
hear
the
outcry.
I
think
everyone
is
pretty
well
acknowledged
that
and-
and
it
goes
like
this
relationship,
so
I'm
encouraged
when
I
see
that
the
name
of
this
proposed
board
is
the
public
safety
and
community
relations
board.
P
This
is
provide
another
means
by
which
to
achieve
continuous
improvement,
I
would
say,
provide
another
means
by
which
to
build
relationships
and
achieve
continuous
improvement.
There
I'd
like
to
focus
the
very
first
charge
of
this
board
to
be
building
relationships,
because
we
need
to
be
about
being
good
to
one
another
and
developing
the
kind
of
community
where
we
show
respect
and
we
honor
one
another
and
I
think
that's
this
board
could
take
the
lead
in
doing
that.
If
that's
the
desire
of
this
council
and
the
mayor
just.
P
P
P
Let's
talk
about
building
bridges
and
building
relationships,
so
with
that
said,
section
B
to
me
would
I
don't
know
what
our
needs
would
be
for
a
section
B
in
an
initial
launching
of
a
board
of
this
sort
and
so
I,
don't
know
I
hear
from
some
this
idea
of
kind
of
staging
this
or
let's
take
a
breath
and
come
back
and
reevaluate.
So
if
we
go
forward
with
something
like
that,
maybe
something
like
that
could
come
later.
P
Finally,
a
third
spot
I
had
for
relationships
was
in
section,
8
G,
and
that
just
has
to
do
with
some
the
board
in
the
last
line,
having
a
holding
periodic
meetings
with
the
neighborhood
groups
and
having
advanced
and
with
community
leaders
and
working
on
building
relationships
to
discuss
community
concerns
relating
Public
Safety.
So
I
guess
that's
I'll.
Leave
it
at
that.
For
now
there
had
several
other
things.
I
don't
know
should
defer
to
others
to
speak
up
to
their
their
ideas
or
mayor.
If
you
want.
B
So
just
just
two
three,
some
fairly
concrete
suggestions
and
then
we
need
to
see
if
there's
any
concerns
about
those
would
be
under
Section,
one
a
which
to
build
relationships
and
achieve
that's
correct
and
then
eight
a
the
C.
The
Commission
shall
work
with
the
police
department,
legal
department,
Human
Relations
Commission,
to
build
community
outreach
and
anticipate.
Is
that
correct,
I.
P
P
B
We
go
forward,
so
one
of
the
other
issues
was
the
nature
of
the
appointment.
Is
it
a
City?
Council
Commission
is
a
mayoral
appointment.
Is
there
a
pool
of
candidates?
A
the
nature
of
the
appointment
was
a
question.
I.
Don't
know
we
have
consensus
on
and
then
your
amendment
seem
stylistic
I
can't
speak
for
the
rest
of
Council,
so
they
may
not
be
as
complicated
as
the
others,
so
all
them
in
black
and
then
Helmand.
Thank
you.
K
And
we've
done
a
couple
of
these
now,
where
we've
had
these
community
the
whole
meetings
and
talked
about
ordinances.
Before
we
get
to
the
final
meeting,
which
I
think
is
open
to
give
more
clarification
to
staff,
and
so
we
don't,
we
can
take
some
these
adjustments
before
the
final
product
and
I
think
that's
the
right
approach,
especially
here,
and
what
I
like
about
is
reflecting
on
some
of
my
colleagues
perspectives
and
a
couple
of
things
right
now.
I
don't
know
if
you
know
this
offhand,
I
think
it
requires
a
simple
majority
for
a
mayoral
appointment.
K
Is
that
correct?
Just
perhaps
we
can
by
ordinance
turn
into
2/3
in,
and
that
may
speak
to
some
of
the
concerns
about
the
community.
When
I
hear
committees
and
I
hear
complicate,
I
mean
that
just
sounds
overwhelming
and
it
sounds
like
it
would
be
a
hindrance
to
people
wanting
to
get
involved
where,
if
it's
a
mayoral
appointment
you
can
send
it
forward,
requires
a
2/3
and
then
go
from
there.
J
An
alderman
if
I
can
I,
we
certainly
will
look
into
there.
I
think
we'll
probably
have
some
statutory
requirements
that
really
vest
the
appointment
power
in
the
mayor.
So
the
discussion
about
an
alternative
to
that
will
get
you
a
legal
opinion
where
they're,
not
that's
even
feasible.
Sometimes
even
the
process
appointment
can
be
changed.
You
know
they
give
council
more
opportunities
instead
of
this
appointment,
you
see
it
on
the
same
council
agenda.
Some
cities
have
a
staged
approach
and-
and
we
can
kind
of
come
back
with
some
options
there.
J
K
Then
then,
piece
number
two
Karen's
point
about
the
rule
is
an
operating
procedure.
I
think
perhaps
at
least
for
that
that
initial
time
frame,
maybe
all
bylaws
operational
processes
to
come
through
the
council
for
approval.
Just
so,
we
can
take
a
look
at
it
and
make
sure
that
there's
some
some
sign-off
and
perhaps,
as
we
circle
back,
say,
18
months
after
December
2018,
but
on
the
calendar
that
may
become
one
of
those
questions
that
we
take
a
look
to
see
how
it's
working
it's
cumbersome
and
go
from
there.
K
But
at
that
point
is
very
well
taken
that
we
you
know,
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
in
sync,
with
what's
going
on
at
the
board
and
and
Kim
suggestions,
I'm
on
board
with
I,
don't
know
what
the
suns
that
cause
peace,
but
maybe
just
to
revisit
at
some
point
in
time
down.
The
road
I
think
would
would
would
suffice,
but
I
like
the
idea
of
community
building,
and
maybe
we
throw
in
there
too.
M
And
I
also
appreciate
alderman
Bray's
positive,
looking
at
some
positive
language
in
this,
can
we
talk
about
the
elephant
in
the
room
section
three
items
see
a
person
with
a
criminal
felony
conviction
shall
be
eligible
to
serve
on
the
board
that
was
brought
up
by
several
people.
They
take
public
comments
and
I
think
we
should
talk
about
that
as
a
as
a
council
before
we
go
here.
B
M
M
M
Part
of
me
says:
you
know
the
when
a
person
has
served
their
their
time
that
they're
brought
back
into
the
into
the
community.
So
again
do
I
want
to
know
somebody.
That's
that's
with
the
violent
past.
Probably
not,
but
somebody
I
mean
you
write.
Three
bad
checks
and
you
can
be
you've
got
a
felony,
so
I
mean
is
that
is
that
a
reason
for
keeping
somebody
off
off
the
board?
So
I
just
think
we
should
talk
about
that.
A
little
bit
and
I'd
like
to
get
a
sense
of
other
other
people,
I
think.
M
B
Q
You
so
this
is
our
second
public
conversation
about
this.
I've
listened
now
to
two
different
sessions
of
public
comment.
I've
considered
the
comments
that
the
chief
made
during
our
first
public
conversation
about
this
and
and
I
will
look
to
some
of
my
older
men.
My
fellow
aldermen,
to
help
me
understand
the
one
specific
issue
that
I've
heard
raised
and
achieved.
Q
It
I
thought
an
excellent
job
of
outlining
exactly
how
the
process
works
as
it
exists
today,
including
the
the
appeal
process
to
the
city
manager
to
to
the
mayor
and
on
to
the
council,
if
needed
and
and
so
I
need
to
circle
back
because
to
the
question
and
I
asked
last
time,
and
that
is
the
one.
The
one
question
I've
heard
raised
during
now.
Q
During
our
last
public
conversation,
I
heard
I
heard
the
the
Chief
of
Police
outlined
that
that
including
many
of
the
public
organizations
that
were
highlighted
in
one
of
the
public
comments
here
tonight
that
the
chief
would
be
open
to
having
those
groups
work
with
folks
who
wanted
to
file
complaints,
who
perhaps
were
uncomfortable
dealing
directly
with
the
police
department
and
and
so
the
the
one
again,
the
one
problem,
I've
heard,
articulated
publicly
and
I
understand.
There
are
perceptions.
Q
I've
heard
no
other
I've
heard
no
other
negative
comments,
but
made
publicly
about
any
other
part
of
the
process
that
the
chief
outlined
during
our
first
conversation,
and
so
the
I
guess
the
question
I
would
ask
is
if,
if
the,
if
the
problem
is,
is
this
idea
of
accessing
the
process
and
a
chief
has
said,
I'm
glad
that
let
upwards
of
a
half
a
dozen
community
groups
kind
of
be
involved
and
advocate
and
and
participate
in
that
process
of
submitting
a
complaint?
Then
then,
what
other?
Q
I
guess
I'm
asking
that
that's
that's
not
meant
to
be
a
rhetorical
question.
It's
a
question
to
you.
I'd
appreciate
some
conversation
because
again
what
I've
heard
articulated
publicly
is
concerned
about
about
initiating
the
complaint
and
and
and
feeling
some
measure
of
being
either
intimidated
or
overwhelmed
by
that,
at
which
point
the
chief
has
said,
look
I'll,
be
glad
to
work
with
multiple
community
organizations
to
help
to
help
alleviate,
and
in
fact
you
know,
perhaps
eliminate
that
concern
so
that
somebody
doesn't
have
to
feel
like
they're
doing
that
on
their
own
sure.
Okay,.
B
So
that's
one
thing
so,
there's
a
structure,
the
other
is
I,
think
at
a
thousand
feet.
Generally
speaking,
the
logic
for
police
review
boards
is
that
there's
civilian
additional
set
of
eyes
on
a
military,
paramilitary
organization
and
I
think
that's
the
history
of
American
democracy
and
what
tends
to
separate
modern
democracies
from
third-world
countries.
You
know,
and
that
doesn't
mean
that
every
city
has
to
have
it
I'm,
just
not
staying
at
a
thousand
feet,
so
I
think
that's
the
the
overall
rationale.
B
There
admit
some
specific
things
when
we
had
many
mayoral
open
houses
were
specifically
people
brought
up
specific
stuff.
I
have
no
idea
the
veracity
of
any
of
those
I
have
encouraged
people
to
figure
out
a
way
to
file
those
complaints.
I,
don't
know
whether
they
had
been
so
other
than
getting
into
the
weeds.
I.
Think
that's
what
the
structural
rationale
would
be.
In
other
words,
onerous
so
and.
Q
And
again
so
I
would
say:
I
would
reiterate,
I
haven't
heard
any
actual
problems
articulated
and
if,
if
we're
not
articulating
actual
problems,
and
that
I
would
suggest
that
at
some
level
we
have
a
solution.
Looking
for
a
problem
here
and
and
I
get
concerned
about
that,
I
get
concerned
about
the
unintended
consequences
when
we
have
a
solution.
Looking
for
a
problem
and
again
I've
waited
here
now
through
at
least
two
two
rounds
of
public
comment,
and
perhaps
some
some
additional
comments
that
happen
and
and
I.
Q
Our
chief
has
said
he
would
wholeheartedly.
You
know,
be
more
than
than
happy
about
working
with
some
community
groups
to
allow
folks
to
to
access
that
the
existing
process
that
we
have
then
again
I'm
interested
in
what
if
I've
not
heard,
another
problem
articulated
I've
heard
a
solution
articulated,
but
no
prob
articulated
beyond
the
issue
of
accessing
the
system.
Thank
you.
B
Again,
just
to
clarify
think
you
did
say
eight
if
achieve
and
I
think
that's
the
point,
a
chief,
maybe
not
necessarily
all
Chiefs
and
I
think
the
again,
even
if
there's
just
a
perception
problem,
I
think
the
fact
that
this
room
is
packed
tonight
suggests
that
there's
at
least
a
perception
problem
of
what
we
need
to
be
doing.
But
Haldeman
excuse
me:
Mattie
I,.
L
L
So
I'm,
not
even
I,
mean
I'm,
not
even
sure,
because
it's
a
personnel
issue
that
it
could
even
be
released
via
Freedom
of
Information,
Act,
I,
don't
and
I'm,
not
on
percent
sure
that
we
can
see
those
at
City
Council.
Maybe
I
could
be
wrong
on
that
one,
but
so
this
is
the
the
citizen.
Review
board
puts
another
set
of
eyes
and
another
layer
from
the
public
that
can
look
at
that,
and
you
know
they
don't
they
all
they
have
is.
L
Is
the
authority
right
now
as
an
advisory
to
say
you
know
that
maybe
there's
a
different
way
that
we
would
approach
this
and
we
would
have
looked
at
this
in
the
future.
But
it's
we're
just
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
we're
trying
to
repair.
What
right
now
feels
to
me
as
a
significant
lack
of
trust
and
and
the
perception
right
now.
Q
L
That
conversation
and
the
chief
working
with
community
groups
doesn't
that
art
exists,
doesn't
isn't
what
a
man
with
map
was,
that
the
name
of
it
or
that
the
correct
name
of
it
but
I
thought
that
that
already
existed
and
was
I,
don't
know
that
it's
being
used
I,
don't
know
that
it.
You
know
it's
I,
don't
know
that
it's
working,
nobody
seems
to
know
who's
appointed
on
that
nobody
didn't
seem
to
know
which
community
groups
are
representative
on
there
and
who
should
be
talking
at
conversation.
L
B
E
I
appreciate
what
kim
was
talking
about
with
community
relations
building
I
heard
that
articulated
very
very
clearly
not
just
how
do
you
turn
in
a
complaint?
But
what
happens
if
you
don't
like
the
outcome
of
it,
and-
and
this
is
a
to
me
of
a
powerful
part
of
that
community
conversation
and
some
shared
understanding.
B
K
Don't
know
if
all
the
other
particular
as
my
colleagues
here
I
appreciate
your
concerns,
and
these
are
these
are
good
to
think
about.
As
we
start
doing,
some
more
of
these
types
of
boards
and
commissions
and
I
couldn't
help,
as
you
were,
asking
these
questions
to
be
drawn
to
the
back
up
material
and
the
report
that
we
were
given.
This
is
a
civilian
oversight
of
law
enforcement
and
on
page
10,
it
goes
through
the
potential
strength
of
strengths,
of
a
review,
focused
model
and
one
of
that
parts
that
I
want
to
highlight.
K
It's
all
pretty
interesting
stuff,
and
they
cite
the
Urbana
model
is
one
that
can
be
used
as
an
example.
Beyond
public
perception,
review,
focused
agencies
have
a
benefit
of
allowing
community
representatives
to
bring
an
outsider's
perspective
to
the
complete
investigation
process,
which
may
help
jurisdictions
jurisdictions,
identifying
correct
deficiencies
within
individual
complaint
investigations.
K
So
from
from
where
I
said,
this
is
one
piece
of
a
larger
puzzle
and
we
talk
about
community
policing,
isn't
always
going
to
be
a
negative
I
think
that
this
board
has
the
opportunity
to
not
only
bring
a
perspective
and
that
that
engagement
like
like
Karen
was
talking
about.
But
it
also
has
the
opportunity
to
build
those
relationships
with
the
community.
K
So
we
don't
see
some
of
the
issues
that
we
see
in
other
municipalities
and
the
sense
that
I've
gotten
from
the
community
is
that
there
are
people
who
feel
as
though
their
voice
won't
be
heard
systematically
and
as
a
as
an
elected
official
I
have
to
take
pause.
When
I
hear
that
and
while
you
know
we
hear
anecdotes
and
we
look
at
data
and
you
can
take
data
and
look
in
a
lot
of
different
ways.
K
What
I'm
seeing
here
is
a
proposal
that
that
creates
an
avenue
creates
institution
that
has
the
ability
to
address
concerns,
but
also
turn
positive
things
into
reality.
And
that's
why
I'm
going
to
encounter
when
Kim
brought
up
the
the
points
about
adding
in
some
of
that
more
community
relationship,
verbage
I,
think
that's.
R
I
haven't
spoken
yet,
and
it's
because
this
I
am
more
conflicted
about
than
I
have
been
any
other
decision.
I've
made
on
council
I
in
the
beginning
thought
this
was
a
great
idea.
I
was
all
for
it
and
I
realized
that
there
is
a
national
problem
with
people
trusting
the
police.
There
have
been
horrible
things
that
have
happened
and
I
think
that
it's
really
good
for
us
to
tackle
those
things
on
the
local
level.
R
I
was
with
you
right
up
until
the
deal
where
you
want
people
who've
been
convicted
criminals
to
serve
on
this
board,
and
you
are
so
adamant
about
it,
and
I
mean
that
just
makes
no
sense
to
me
at
all.
I
think
that
there
are
many
places
where
people
can
serve
their
community
after
they
have
served
their
time.
I
think
that
any
other
board
and
Commission
in
Bloomington
would
be
fine,
except
for
this
one
I.
Don't
think
police
should
be
allowed
to
serve
on
this
commission
either.
R
I
think
that
you
need
to
really
look
for
impartiality,
and
you
know
I've
talked
this
over
with
representatives
from
many
different
organizations.
My
own
faith
community
is
totally
on
board
with
this,
but
I
just
I.
Just
can't
go
for
that,
because
the
police
are
very
resistant
to
that
idea
and
I
think
for
good
reason,
and
if
your
main
goal
is
to
build
relationships,
I
think
that
that
would
be
a
killer
right
out
of
the
box
and
I
want
for
this
to
work.
R
R
B
N
What's
undeniable,
though,
to
me
is
that
there
is
a
a
perception
issue:
that's
there
whether
real
or
not
I,
you
know
I,
do
not
like
you
know,
painting
people
with
a
broad
brush,
so
I
would
say
that
I
I
know
that
we,
you
know
we
do
have
police
officers
who
do
a
really
good
job.
We
have
just
like
any
other
organization.
N
So
I,
you
know,
rather
than
you
know,
of
fighting
the
idea
of
the
board
and
and
and
I
use
the
word
fighting,
because
I
I
can
think
of
another
one,
but
you
know
I
think
we
should
just
let's
just
move
forward
because
I
think,
if,
if
we,
if
we
stand
in
front
the
process
and
try
stop
it,
it
will
make
it
seem
as
though
there
is
something
to
hide
and
I
think
it.
You
know
it
helps
everyone
for
all
of
us
to
to
do
the
best.
N
N
It's
very
sensitive,
it's
a
very
sensitive
issue
and
if
we
and
I
and
I
think
everyone
is
going
to
be,
you
know,
I
mean
we've
talked
about
the
mayor,
making
his
appointment
earlier,
so
everyone
involved
in
this
process
is
going
to
be
scrutinized
for
whatever
decision
that
they
make
so
I.
Think
in
my
opinion,
you
know
if
this
is
something
we
can
think
about
over
the
next
couple
of
weeks.
N
You
know
who
we
put
on
the
board
is
going
to
be
scrutinized,
you
know,
and
if
we
want
this
to
work,
I
think
it
has
to
be.
We
have
to
be
in
a
situation
where
I
mean
anyone
you
know
can
pass.
You
know
whatever
level
of
scrutiny
and
and
I
think
so
I,
you
know
I
would
say
we.
We
do
need
to
think
about
that
over
the
next
couple
of
weeks,
because
if
we
want
this
to
work,
you
know
it
has
to
be
something
that
all
of
us
are.
N
B
P
I
had
to
two
things:
one
relates
to
financial
impacts
and
we
have
a
provision
at
the
end
section,
9
staff
assistance.
That
seems
to
me
to
be
rather
broad
to
give
access
to
staff,
and
this
could
get
expensive
so
I'm,
thinking
that
we
need
a
financial
impact,
perhaps
of
that
or
maybe
some
restraining
language,
that
the
city
manager
shall
review
and
consider
request
for
assistance
and
possibly
to
bring
it
to
the
City
Council
before
our
staff
is
kind
of
taken
into
the
various
areas
to
do
different
tasks
and
different
work
for
this
particular
board.
P
Because,
again,
I
would
see
this
board
as
awarded
there
to
build
relationship
and
to
fill
this
gap.
Karen's
talked
about,
but
I
don't
want
to
see
this
board,
create
polarizing
our
community
or
taking
our
staff
and
into
expensive
studies
and
endeavors
that
that
I,
don't
think
that
would
benefit
us
at
this
juncture.
B
I
think
the
one
thing
that
mr.
Hills
can
kind
of
weigh
in
is
that
I
think
mostly.
If
this
there
would
be
a
staff
liaison
to
the
board
for
current
staff
would
be
a
new
staff
position
and
if
they
wanted
to
do
their
own
research,
they
can
certainly
do
it.
Maybe
get
partners
at
Illinois,
Wesleyan
Illinois
State
to
help,
but
if
they
wanted
to
spend
any
money
they
have
to
go
through
the
city
manager.
Is
that
their
first
statement,
mr.
Hills.
J
First,
let
me
say
that
trying
to
put
together
some
sort
of
cost-
or
you
know,
impact
is
going
to
be
very
difficult.
I
think,
as
the
mayor
said,
you
know,
and
in
the
research
some
of
these
committees
or
commissions
have
very
few
or
a
very
low
workload.
On
the
other
hand,
you
know
they're
very
reactive.
On
the
other
hand,
if,
if
this
is
going
to
be
a
commission,
that's
more
proactive
really
gets
into
a
lot
of
time
and
issues
studies
things
like
that.
P
And
then
the
second
piece
up,
perhaps
maybe
for
Gabe-
and
it
relates
to
just
potentially
adding
a
section
that
relates
to
the
S
scoping
this
ordinance
overall,
to
say
that
no
civil
action
may
accrue
from
the
material
generated
by
the
ward.
Nor
may
any
board
materials
be
used
as
evidence
in
any
civil
action,
in
other
words,
we're
not
trying
to
create
any
causes
of
action
here,
we're
not
trying
to
support
anything
of
that
nature
again.
This
is
about
relationships
and
about
trying
to
build
up
our
community
through
creation
of
this
voice.
B
P
Idea
would
be
that
none
of
the
material
that
comes
from
the
board
could
be
used
in
civil
litigation.
So,
for
instance,
if
someone
had
an
allegation
against
a
particular
police
officer
and
then
they
wanted
to
file
suit
in
regards
to
that,
and
then
perhaps
you
know,
they
wanted
to
point
to
some
trends
that
they
had
the
board
had
published
on
or
study.
The
word
had
done.
That's
that's
really
not
the
function
of
this
particular
board,
as
created
by.
P
O
B
D
A
criminal
I
think
it's
human
eyes
and
I
think
it
marginalizes
people
and
contributes
to
our
recidivism
rates
and
I,
find
that
very.
Concerning
that
being
said,
we're
not
going
to
fix
that
through
this
commission
and
and
when
we
talk
about
trust
and
building
relationships.
I
think
we
also
have
to
be
concerned
about
the
fact
that
the
police
officers
who
work
very
hard
in
our
community
are
very
concerned
about
whether
or
not
they
will
have
a
fair
playing
field.
When
it
comes
to
this
commission,
I
have
yet
to
hear
anyone
ask
for
special
treatment.
D
What
I'm
asking
is
that
they
want
to
make
sure
that
everyone
who
comes
to
the
table
has
an
open
mind,
and
this
is
a
provision
they
feel
strongly
about,
because
they
believe
it
will
help
ensure
that
those
open
minds
are
there.
So
I
don't
like
to
be
indecisive,
but
I
have
these
conflicting
values
here
that
I'm
struggling
with
so
I
would
simply
I
personally
am
going
to
need
some
more
time
to
think
about
it,
and
I
would
love
to
hear
additional
feedback
from
all
people
involved.
D
B
You
and
just
to
be
clear,
you
know
if
we
go
around
and
the
council's
divided
on
this,
we
probably
would
go
with
whatever
if
it's
five,
four
or
so
we'd
probably
go
with
whatever
the
five
said.
If
somebody
changes
their
mind,
that's
a
pretty
surgical,
quick
thing.
You
know
either
way,
whichever
one
it
might
be.
But
at
this
point
let
me
start
out
with
Oh
Altamont,
say
and.
Q
Q
Is
and
I
understand,
but
but
I
I
guess
I'd
also
want
to
know.
I
want
to
make
sure
staff
has
the
opportunity
to
make
sure
that
they've
looked
over
everything.
That's
that's
illegal
or
statutory
related
to
to
to
the
board
membership.
So
that's
why
I
know.
There's
I
know,
there's
a
great
haste
seemingly
to
me
to
get
this
done
sooner
rather
than
later,
but
but
as
some
have
suggested.
If,
if
in
fact
we
want
to
do
this
right,
this
may
not
be
ready
to
go
on
the
agenda
next
Monday,
but
I.
B
Think
we
have
been
spending
about
six
months
on
it,
at
least
more
than
that,
but
anyway,
let
me
I
think
many
in
the
council
spent
more
than
six
months
on
it.
Well,
we
have
our
first
meeting
in
February,
pretty
close
yeah
yeah,
okay
right.
Okay,
at
this
point,
we've
got
several
issues
and
I'm
going
to
start
with
the
one
that
I
think
that
are
probably
the
easiest
go
from
the
all.
B
B
B
B
We
years
old
and
then
we
can
also
assuming
this
passes
and
everything
we
can.
If
we
decide
it's
been
alluded
to
in
this
discussion,
change
this
tweak
this
we're.
You
know
we're
we're
not
reinventing
the
wheel,
but
we
also
know
that
they're
going
to
be
changes
in
our
community,
and
sometimes
we
don't
do
things
right,
the
first
time
right
so,
okay,
so
that
can
we
work
it
gave
you
got
someone
some
language
there
that
left
be
okay
and
then
you
did
well
for
the
record.
We
have
all
the
one
Bray's.
B
Now
we
have
the
mayoral
appointment,
stuff
and
I
think
you're
going
to
need
to
do
some
as
a
city
manager.
Hale
suggests
that
there
are
some
things
that
councils
can
inhibit
mayoral
appointments,
regardless
of
form
of
government
and
obviously
got
about
fifteen
different
forms
of
government
in
the
city
or
in
the
state
of
Illinois.
But
would
you
know
in
our
particular
one?
B
Can
we
have
a
supermajority
that
might
do
one
of
them
or,
as
all
of
the
millah
wombly
suggested,
having
a
pool
of
of
applicants
that
the
council
can
see
I
would
I
would
assume
that
the
very
least
we
could
do
that
sure
and
probably
I
mean
I.
Could
just
hey
come
on
in
my
office?
Look
at
them,
you
know,
so
it
could
be
as
long
as
I
went.
B
There's
I
mean
not
more
than
two
at
a
time,
but
so
there's
certainly
got
to
be
some
way
that
we
can
get
more
Council
inputs
that
the
council
feels
more
involved
in
this,
even
if
there's
no
supermajority
or
if
we
can't
do
some
of
the
other
things,
but
can
you
you
got
direction
on
that
I?
Don't
think
anybody
opposed
that?
What.
B
B
Do
we
have
the
option
of
doing
this
separate
committee
of
the
City
Council
to
come
up
with
nominees,
so
I
would
think
those
are
the
three
things
and
they
those
could
be
presented
as
three
items
assuming
the
council
decides
that
this
is
okay
and
we're
ripe
for
this
you're.
Okay,
with
the
direction
you
have
there.
P
I
think
another
option
might
be
to
timeframe
this
thing,
so
no
person
with
the
criminal
Selak
conviction
within
the
past
seven
years
or
that
you
limit
Asia
or
something
like
that.
You
know
if
you
move
you
added
something
like
that,
so
that
indiscretions
of
youth
are
not
counted
against.
Mature
adult
is
now
well
past
that
we
perhaps
that
might
be
an
option.
I,
okay,.
B
P
P
B
O
Of
whatever
the
council
wants
to
do
on
this
issue,
like
I,
said
most
of
what
I've
reviewed
have
something
similar.
We
actually,
in
this
case,
went
with
a
less
onerous
language
than
in
Urbana.
Urbana
actually
has
the
next
extra,
where
their
conviction
or
plea,
so
we've
actually
paired
it
back
a
little
bit
to
allow
for
other
circumstances.
The
just
resulted
in
the
conviction,
but
as
far
as
legal
things
that
constrain
the
council's
decision.
O
M
B
You
have
equal
pursue,
mewed,
have
equal
protection
issues,
so
in
other
words,
if
there
was
somebody
who
has
an
and
again
the
interns
can
weigh
in
on
that.
But
let's
say:
you've
got
one
per
issue,
saying
no
more
than
one
person
has
a
felony,
let's
say:
okay
per
class
per
class.
Then
if
there's
something
with
a
felony
on,
then
not
the
probability
of
that
person
being
able
to
be
appointed
is
zero,
whereas
other,
similarly
situated
people
if
they
had
a
felony
and
nobody
on
the
board
had
a
felony
that
would
have
really
talked.
B
I'm,
just
a
gauge
understand
where
I'm
going
with
that
I
mean
I'm,
just
I'm
wondering
if
there's
an
equal
protection
issue
there,
because
you're
any
individuals
probability
of
being
able
to
be
appointed
this
board,
we
dependent
upon
other
people
who
have
constituted
the
board.
It's
better,
not
if
it
super
close.
M
K
M
B
B
K
That
got
really
confusing
and
I
would
say
to
least
get
the
ball
rolling
I'd
like
to
see
I
mean
I'm,
okay
with
it
as
presented.
If
there
was
a
time
box
on
it,
I
think
seven
years
is
a
reasonable
number,
but
I
think
this
is
why
we
need
to
put
something
on
the
calendar
in
the
future
to
circle
back
to
figure
out
if
this
is
working.
The
way
that
we
wanted
to
so
I
guess
to
your
question:
I'm,
okay,
with
it
as
presented,
but
I
would
move
to.
You
know
it's
within
the
last
seven
years.
E
I'm
pretty
conflicted
about
this
one
to
at
the
concept
of
redemption
is
a
very
important
principle.
I
I
think
I'm
leaning
towards
leaving
it
as
is,
but
I
would
like
to
see
this
language
of
compromise
because
you
know,
as
Diana
said,
you
know
there,
but
for
the
grace
of
God
go
I
and-
and
you
know,
I'm
I
certainly
know
lots
of
people
and
I
love
lots
of
people
who
have
made
mistakes
that
took
them
down
one
path
and
not
the
other.
So
we
could
figure
out
some
way
around
this
I
right.
You.
E
R
Like
I
said,
I'm
real,
real
conflicted
about
this
whole
thing
and
I
would
like
to
see
us
try
and
work
things
out
as
is,
and
if
things
are
going
well,
then
maybe
we
could
revisit
this
issue.
I
do
believe
in
Redemption.
I
do
believe
that
there
are
many
boards
and
commissions
in
our
city
that
they
could
serve
on
I.
Don't
understand
why
they
feel
so
strongly
about
this
one.
R
You
know
it
on
the
other
side
of
it,
I
mean
if
it
would
make
the
police
feel
more
comfortable.
Maybe
if
we
let
people
that
have
prior
felony
convictions
beyond
this
board,
how
would
everybody
feel
about
having
police
officers
be
on
this
board?
No
I,
don't
think
you
like
it
and
and
I
just
I
want
everybody
to
consider
the
other
side
feelings
in
this,
because
we
want
to
foster
better
relationships.
We
don't
want
to
make
things
worse,
so
I'm
open
to
hearing
what
a
compromise
might
be,
but
right
now
I'm
real
skeptical,
okay,.
N
Yes,
I'm
still
very
conflicted.
You
know
about
this
because
I
think
the
like
I
said:
the
ultimate
goal
is
to
be
able
to
achieve
better
relations
and
if,
from
the
beginning
we
start
with
I
mean
it's,
it's
bad
enough
already.
The
reason
why
we
here
is
because
they're
you
know
we're
saying
this
perception
or
trust
issues,
and
if
we
start
from
the
get-go
with
something
where
one
side
is
not
feeling
very
good
about
this,
it
might
be
a
little
bit
difficult,
I
think
so.
N
I
think
you
know,
in
my
opinion,
may
not
sound
like
the
most
popular
thing
to
say,
but
I
think
we
need
to
start.
You
know
with
baby
cells
so
slowly
and
build
confidence
in
each
other
and
so
that
we
become
better
partners
with
each
other,
and
eventually
we
can
revisit
this
issue
in
1820
months
and
and
I
also,
would
would
add
that
you
know
it
sounds
like
just
from
the
conversation
up
here.
You
know,
there's
different
understandings
of
you
know.
N
N
Q
In
so
again,
I'm
going
to
have
some
additional
conversations
with
with
some
folks
on
both
sides
of
the
issue
this
coming
week,
and
so,
while
I'm
not
prepared
to
you,
know
kind
of
publicly
declare
support
for
this.
This
concept,
for
this
particular
question
I,
would
support
support
it
as
presented
and
again
for
a
number
of
reasons
that
I
think
in
Bocca
has
suggested
all.
L
So
I
would
prefer
that
3c
be
removed,
because
to
me
a
lot
of
the
folks
that
we
we've
had
conversations
of,
for
instance,
around
violent
felons
are
going
to
be
eliminated
in
3a
to
start
with,
with
the
reputation
for
fairness
and
integrity
and
stuff.
That's
all
those
folks
are
going
to
be
out
of
the
pool
immediately
when
we
hit
3a
before
we
even
keep
going
down
the
list
of
requirements.
B
Okay,
well
on
that,
by
my
count,
we
definitely
will
have
lots
of
older
men
and
women
with
misgivings.
Some
want
to
keep
it
as
is
but
I
have.
By
my
count,
six
two
thirds
of
the
ultimen
are
in
or
at
least
open
to
some
sort
of
compromise,
as
suggested
by
all
the
woman
Brae,
so
as
you're
putting
that
together
and,
of
course,
if
there
are
changes
in
mind
now,
we
can
visit
that
next
week
or
whenever
this
this
is,
we
have
felony
conviction.
B
K
K
K
Yeah
so
I
got
it
here,
so
just
be
taking
out
the
it's
under
Section
six,
it's
not
saying
he
or
she
would
be
saying
that
the
complaint,
whoever
is
filing
the
complaint
if
they
want
to
take
them
to
PSA,
then
the
complaint
again
I
think
you're
missing
it
here.
All
okay,
I'm
sorry
sure,
was
trying
to
put
this
in
writing.
So
we'd
avoid
this.
This
situation
I'm
sick,
Section,
six,
six!
K
M
B
K
B
B
E
B
And
I
think
that
that
that,
in
spite
of
your
obligation
on
Friday,
we
should
be
able
to
get
this
into
people's
hands
and
plenty
of
time
for
them
to
think
about
it.
I
don't
mean
just
the
council,
but
obviously
also
citizen
side.
At
this
point,
I'll
entertain
a
motion
to
adjourn
by
several
people
move
by
alderman
black
second
by
all
the
woman
Schmidt,
all
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye
we're
German.
Thank
you.