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May 19, 2014 - Committee of the Whole City Council Meeting
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C
C
C
C
C
You
should
look
at
the
township
and
not
normal.
Township
has
a
beautiful
public
comment
card
the
moment
when
dave
skillrood
came
into
being
into
her
job.
She
put
out
a
new
public
public
comment
card.
I
didn't
see
that
from
the
four
of
you
that
got
a
mandate
that
we
wanted
open
and
transparent
government.
C
You
didn't
walk
in
here
with
a
plan
of
action,
any
thoughts
of
what
you're
going
to
do.
It's
been
turned
over
to
an
intern.
Where
are
the
citizens
involved
in
this
input
process?
For
the
last
year
sure
we
have
open
houses
with
the
mayor,
but
that's
not
the
whole
council
and
that's
not
the
whole
city.
C
You
have
forgotten
the
board
and
the
commission.
You
have
another
section
of
the
code
that
is
different
than
the
one
you're
going
to
be
looking
at
tonight.
I
asked
to
be
pulled
last
week
and
luckily
it
was,
but
I
see
no
solution
to
boards
and
commissions
where
you
actually
will
chastise
somebody.
If
they're
they
can
only
talk.
I
think
it's
once
a
month
or
some
verbage
that
standpoint.
C
C
Oh,
I
realize
this
is
considered
procedural
and
all
that,
but
it's
not
it's
violation
of
the
city
code
that
you're
supposed
to
have
taken
of
oath
for
to
uphold.
If
you
can't
uphold
doing
the
agenda
right,
then
no
wonder
the
citizens
have
a
lack
of
confidence
when
you
vote
on
other
matters.
Thank
you.
B
Okay,
thank
you
just
as
so
that
everyone
understands
we
don't
there's
no
practice
of
us
responding
to
public
comments
if
we
move
right
along
we're,
gonna
go
to
the
committee
of
the
whole
minutes
from
january
21st
and
march
17
2014,
and
is
there
a
motion
to
that?
The
reading
of
the
minutes
of
the
committee
of
the
whole
be
dispensed
with
and
that
the
minutes
be
approved
as
printed?
Is
there
a
motion
to
that
effect?.
B
By
older
woman,
schmidt
is
there
a
second
a
second
second
by
alderman
black
any
discussion
changes,
and
these
we
can
do
by
voice
vote.
Is
that
right?
Okay,
all
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye
aye
opposed.
Let
the
record
show
that
the
approval
was
unanimous
and
we
move
on
to
four
item
four,
a
which
is
the
public
comment,
ordinance
discussion,
and
so
we
can
begin
that
process
is
city
manager,
david
hales.
Would
you
like
to
chat
about
this,
or
are
we
going
to
turn
it
over
to
mr
jurgensen
mayor.
F
This
is
part
of
addendum
one
to
the
committee
of
the
whole
agenda,
and
essentially,
what
we're
trying
to
do
here
is
in
conversations
with
several
trying
to
make
the
public
comment
policy
a
little
bit
more
liberal,
a
little
bit
more
open
within
the
city.
So
what
this
change
would
do
currently
for
city
council
meetings.
We
only
have
public
comment
at
the
first
meeting
of
the
month.
This
would
open
it
up
to
every
single
city
council
meeting
so
to
two
twice
a
month,
as
well
as
special
city
council
meetings,
where
there's
an
action
item.
F
Now,
typically,
you
have
maybe
special
city
council
meetings
before
a
regular
city
council
meeting
for
purposes
of
executive
session.
You
would
not
necessarily
have
an
additional
public
comment
period
for
that.
That
would
then
turn
over
to
the
regular
city
council
meeting.
We
keep
it
limited
to
15
minutes,
because
you
do
have
a
lot
of
other
business
to
take
care
of
at
the
council
meetings.
We
also
keep
it
limited
to
three
minutes
per
speaker,
but
we
have
struck
the
requirement
that
we're
only
limited
to
five
speakers,
as
I
believe,
was
the
practice.
F
This
does
not
track
the
other
provisions
for
public
comment
in
the
boards
and
commission
rules,
which
is
a
separate
place
in
the
city
code
that,
as
was
just
pointed
out,
there
are
separate
rules
for
that
under
those
rules
are
a
little
bit
more
stringent
public
comment
comes
at
the
end
of
the
meeting,
there's
a
a
limitation
on
five
speakers
and
there's
a
limitation
on
the
on.
How
often
you
can
speak.
I
think,
if
you
speak
once,
then
you
have
to
wait
a
couple
of
months
before
you
can
speak
again.
F
We
can
certainly
look
at
revising
those
procedures,
but
right
now,
we've
been
focused
on
making
sure
that
the
public
comment
in
front
of
the
city
council
is
is
the
best
it
can
be
and
what
you
want
it
to
be.
There
are
no
hard
and
fast
rules
with
how
you
set
up
your
public
comment,
so
we
can.
We
can
do
it.
However,
you
would
like
we
have
changed
a
little
bit
the
process
in
terms
of
the
selection
process
to
clarify
we've
got
a
public
card
process
where
people
sign
up
on
a
public
comment
card.
F
Those
are,
if
there's
more
than
five
people,
we
will
have
the
clerk
shuffle
those
and
determine
the
order
and
determine
the
order
that
people
speak
so
that
we
kind
of
keep
that
as
an
independent
process.
But
we
can
set
that
process
up
any
way
you'd
like
sometimes
people
will
use
a
process
where
it's
first
come.
First
serve
they'll
sign
in
and
those
will
be
the
names
that
you
choose,
but
we've
kind
of
used
a
modified
version
of
the
card
process
in
this
ordinance.
G
That
order,
thank
you,
mr
mayor,
and
thanks
jeff,
for
for
your
insight.
So
what
you're
looking
for
us
is
some
direction
as
to
how
to
come
back
with
a
revised
ordinance
this
evening.
Yes,
so,
okay,
I
will
share
my
thoughts,
one
of
which
would
be
that
I
think
we
should
have
a
public
comment
in
every
meeting
that
we
have
kind
of
what
you're
talking
about
I'm
on
board
with
that
I'd
also
like
to
see
some
sort
of
a
lottery
shuffle.
G
I
think
when
someone
takes
time
out
of
their
day
to
come
to
one
of
these
meetings,
we
should
accommodate
them
as
much
as
possible.
The
other
one
that
I'd
really
like
to
see
entered
in
here
is
that
any
email
that
is
sent
from
a
citizen
or
an
entity
to
the
city
council
at
citybloom.org
get
entered
into
the
record
reason.
G
B
A
A
A
You
wait
two
months
to
speak
again,
also
under
5
c.
The
last
sentence
is
a
speaker
cannot
give
his
or
her
allotted
minutes
to
another
speaker
to
increase
that
person's
a
lot
of
time
I
would
add,
or
seed
his
or
her
time
in
its
entirety.
So
we
don't
have
people
signing
up
to
make
sure
they
get
their
time
and
then
they
just
give
it
to
the
next
person
who
didn't
happen
to
get
chosen.
It
just
clarifies
what
I
think
our
intent
was
here.
H
I'm
really
concerned
about
the
legalities
here,
not
so
much
the
preferences
that
we
may
or
may
not
have,
but
if,
if
I'm
not
mistaken
city,
the
the
in
the
municipal
code,
state
constitution
is
extremely
kind
of
liberal
and
doesn't
really
define
too
much
of
anything
is.
Can
you
help
me
with
how
well
this
this
aligns
with
what
the
state
municipal
code
actually
says?
Yeah.
F
So
you
could
ask
you,
know
several
different
people
and
get
several
different
answers
to
that.
I
actually
and
and
there's
an
opinion-
that's
been
issued,
it's
it's
not
a
binding
opinion,
but
a
an
informal
opinion.
That's
been
issued
to
the
city
saying
that
we
need
to
have
public
comment
on
all
committee
meetings
and
I
called
the
public
access
counselor's
office.
Looking
for
that
opinion
and
asking
them
if
they
had
anything,
you
know
kind
of
explaining
these
rules
and
the
person
said
no.
I
later
found
that
opinion.
F
You
know
which
they
did
have,
but
I
asked
you
know
is:
is
there
a
requirement,
or
has
it
been
your
interpretation
that
you
have
to
have
public
comment
on
every
single
at
every
single
meeting?
And
I
got
the
answer
back
well,
I
think
it's
just
that
you
have
to
have
rules
in
place
as
to
how
to
address
the
public
body.
I
think
most
people
interpret
it
kind
of
like
you.
F
H
H
H
But
what
really
concerns
me
is
when
we
get
into
sort
of
judging
speakers
and
who's
going
to
do
that
and
I'll
give
you
one
example
just
as
an
example
we're
already
so
people
are
saying:
well,
let's
let
those
people
who
haven't
spoken
be
first,
but
to
me
that's
just
taking
one
person
and
somehow
giving
them
more
value
because
they
haven't
spoken.
Is
there
value
in
not
speaking
and
rarely
ever
coming
or
is
there
value
in
these
people
and
we
know
who
they
are?
Who
come
often
to
me?
There's
a
tremendous
amount
of
value.
H
In
that
frankly,
I
wouldn't
make
a
value
judgment
period
about
someone
who
comes
often
or
someone
who
doesn't
come.
Often.
No,
I
didn't
no,
I
said,
is
there
no?
I
asked
a
question
and
besides,
I
think,
scott.
If
you'd,
let
me
finish,
I
appreciate
it.
No,
I
didn't.
I
didn't
make
a
judgment.
I
just
said:
is
there.
B
H
No,
I
I
said
is
that
what
I'm
asking
is
a
question:
I'm
not
making
any
I'm,
not
I'm
not
giving
the
answer.
I'm
just
asking
the
question
and
I'm
saying
that
we
avoid
you
know,
saying:
there's
more
value
in
speaking
more
often
or
not
speaking
more
by
just
simply,
in
my
opinion,
not
doing
that,
and
because
I
don't
think
I
can't
say
if
there's
more
value.
Nor
do
I
think
anyone
else
should
you
know
my
opinion.
Is
they
just
shouldn't
be
judged?
H
They
should
all
be
allowed
to
speak,
and
I
also
think
that
and
I'll
just
say
this,
because
I
don't
know
how
much
time
we're
limited
that
when
it
gets
into
what
is
threatening
behavior,
I
I
think
we
have
to
really
ask
the
question
who
is
going
to
make
that
decision,
because
I
think
that
clearly
threatening
you
know,
statements
have
been
judged
differently
by
different
people.
So
it
really
concerns
me
that
we're
judging,
I
do
think
freedom
of
speech
is
an
issue
here.
H
It
comes
in,
and
I've
seen
lawsuits
where,
for
instance,
says
citizen
wanted
to
come
in
and
say
that,
for
instance,
city
council
is
a
quote,
unquote
joke
and
the
city
council
didn't
like
that.
I'm
not
using
anything
just
saying
they
didn't
like
it.
They
said.
No,
you
can't
say
that,
and
the
person
won
a
a
freedom
of
speech.
You
know
suit
and
I
think
we
have
you
know
lots
of
examples
of
things
like
that.
I'd
be
curious
to
see
how
what
other
cities
are
doing
and
for
my
own
feeling
of
fairness.
H
I
would
I
wouldn't
make
any
judgments
about
anyone.
Nor
would
I
make
a
judgment
about
their
comment.
I
think
it's
clear
certain
things
are
against
the
law.
Disorderly
conduct
is
against
the
law.
I
think
even
threatening
quote
unquote
can
be
against
the
law,
but
I
really
don't
want
to
see
a
member
of
the
public
body.
Judging
that
I
want
to
see.
Maybe
maybe
we
could
have
a
public.
You
know
three
or
four
people
from
the
citizens
judge.
H
I
don't
know,
but
I
think
we're
on
shaky
ground
when
we
start
judging
whether
somebody
speaks
a
lot,
whether
they
don't,
which
is
better.
I
don't
know.
I
just
think
that
I
don't
want
to
make
judgments
about
that.
I
want
to
let
everyone
have
kind
of
their
free.
Freedom
of
you
know
take
the
cards
whatever
we
do
draw
them
at
random.
However,
we
do
it
frankly,
I'd
like
to
see
20
minutes,
you
know
just
in
case,
but
I
I'm
okay
with
15..
B
F
A
couple
of
things
one,
you
know,
obviously
we
do
not
want
to
you
know,
and
I
don't
think
this
council
is
at
least
from
what
I've
seen
that
the
meetings
I've
been
have
a
practice
of
engaging
in
content
restrictions
and
those
kinds
of
things.
That's
why
we've
tried
to
develop
the
system
of
the
random,
drawing
and-
and
you
guys
have
have
been
good
about.
Not
you
know,
cutting
people
off,
you
know
letting
them
go
their
three
minutes,
letting
them
say
their
piece
and
that's
really
what
public
comment
is
all
about?
F
So
no,
we
don't
want
to
get
into
a
content
debate
with
anybody
as
far
as
threatening
or
disorderly
that
the
issues
that
I've
seen
that
come
up
is
you
know
not.
You
know,
I
would
agree
coming
up
here
and
saying
you're
a
joke
or
you
know
you
guys
are
really
doing
a
bad
job,
those
kinds
of
things.
Unfortunately,
you
have
to
sit
and
take
that.
But
if
somebody.
J
F
Unfortunately,
if
somebody
comes
up
here,
though
yelling
and
screaming,
and
you
know
actually
threatening
you,
then
typically,
you
know
those
types
of
situations
are
going
to
be
very
clear.
You
give
them
a
warning,
you
say
they're
out
of
order,
you
know
you
give
them.
You
know
let
them
recompose
themselves,
but
if
they
don't,
then
you
call
them
out
of
order
and
tell
them
their
time
is
up,
and
I.
F
Be
typically
the
chair
does
that
right,
but
but
you're
right,
you,
you
do
have
to
be
weary
of
that,
and
you
know
that's
something
that
you
know
as
as
the
attorney
sitting
here
in
a
situation
like
that,
I
would
would
certainly
help
advise
on
those
types
of
situations,
but
but
you're
right
on
those
points.
Okay,.
K
Thank
you,
so
I
wanted
to
speak
about
the
shuffling
of
the
cards.
I
I
know
I
mean
I
have
a
different
take
I
on
on
speakers.
I
mean
I
as
unpleasant
as
it
might
be,
sometimes,
and
actually
sometimes
it's
not
that
unpleasant.
It's
interesting,
I
should
say
as
interesting
as
it
might
be.
I
you
know
I'm
not
inclined
to
limit
people
who
have
spoken.
You
know
the
the
you
know
the
the
previous
time
or
within
the
last
two
months
or
whatever
I
I
mean.
K
A
I
K
And
then,
to
see
that
they're
going
to
be
will
not
have
an
opportunity
to
speak
just
because
we
shuffled
randomly
to
me,
I
I
think
might
not
be
as
as
fair
and
as
exciting
to
them.
So
the
the
other
thing
that
I
I
wanted
to
to
mention.
I
I
seem
to
remember
comments
in
the
past
about
having
to
people
needing
to
talk
about
things
that
are
on
the
agenda,
maybe
not
here
but
in
you
know
with
other
cities.
So
I
I'm
curious
about
that,
because
I
don't
see
that
connection
in
this
document.
K
F
Some
communities
they
do
have
provisions
on
that
that
you've
got
to
speak
on
an
agenda
item,
there's
nothing
that
we've
provided
in
here.
So
if
you
know
there
might
be
an
issue
with
the
city
about
you
know
some
street
or
some
subdivision
that
some
citizen
wants
to
come
and
address
all
of
the
council
on.
So
you
know
this
allows
that
kind
of
open
openness
that
it
doesn't
have
to
be
an
agenda
item.
I
would
say
you
probably
could
make
a
rule
like
that,
and
that
would
be
your
discretion
if
you
wanted
to
do
that.
F
I've
seen
some
communities
try
and
make
a
rule
that
you
can
speak
on
anything
other
than
an
agenda
item
to
me.
I
think
that
is
very
suspect
and
doesn't
make
a
lot
of
sense
because
most
of
the
time
you're
going
to
get
people
here
that
want
to
give
you
their
opinion
on
an
agenda
item
and
how
to
vote
or
not
vote
on
something,
but
but
that
again
is
is
kind
of
up
to
your
discretion
is
how
we
craft
these
rules
right.
B
You
know
and
the
the
county
board,
for
example
you
have
to
file
for
a
tuesday
morning,
meaning
you
have
to
do
it
by
third.
Is
it
thursday
yeah
the
previous
thursday?
And
it
has
to
have
to
deal
with
the
amendment,
but
you
can
do
it
in
the
committees
because
there's
a
different
structure
there,
so
their
business
meeting
is
very
tightly
regulated.
You
know
in
terms
of
access.
I
don't
know
that
we
want
to
follow
that
necessarily
alderman
sage
and
then
black.
A
Yeah
jeff
thanks
first
of
all,
for
further
work
into
this
and
I
think,
probably
the
recommendations
about
every
council
meeting
and
yeah,
I'm
in
agreement
with
that.
I
think
I'm
probably
agreeing
with
a
couple
of
other
colleagues
and
in
terms
of
of
this
restriction
of
people
speaking
based
on
on
whether
they
spoke
the
meeting
before
and
and
I
guess
I'll,
maybe
I'll
ask
a
question-
maybe
more
rhetorical.
I
mean,
as
I
sit
here.
A
My
perception
is,
is
we
don't
have
a
number
of
situations
where
people
have
come
to
speak
and
they
didn't
have
the
opportunity
to
speak
within.
So
it
sounds
to
me
like
maybe
we're
trying
to
solve
a
problem
that
may
not
exist
that
that's
one
thing,
so
that's
why
I
wouldn't
be
in
favor
of
that
of
that
shuffling
or
the
the
the
limitations.
A
I
guess
I
I
know
one
other
thing
that
one
part
of
the
conversation
we
had
when
we
first
adopted
these
was
and-
and
I
know
it
rang
pretty
true
for
me-
was
I
I
didn't
want
us
to
be
perceived
again
perception
versus
reality-
that
you
know
someone
could
could
come
down
and
say.
Well,
you
know
I
went
down
to
city
hall
to
speak
last
night
and
they
wouldn't.
Let
me
you
know
the
other
half
of
the
story
being
well.
A
There's
there's
provisions
to
make
sure
that
everybody
gets
a
chance
to
speak,
and
you
know
that
type
of
thing
so
I'd
be
concerned
about
about
the
the
the
sense
that
that
somehow
we're
prohibiting
people
from
speaking,
you
know
in
a
timely,
timely
manner.
So
the
the
whole
this
provision
about
limiting
people
from
from
one
meeting
to
the
next
I
wouldn't
be
in
favor
of
that.
F
And
just
real
quick
in
in
reviewing
this
and
and
speaking
with
the
city
manager
and
the
city
clerk,
it
was
clear.
You
don't
have
a
lot
of
instances
where
there
are
more
than
five
people
wanting
to
speak,
so
it
probably
is
going
to
be
a
rarity
when
you
have
that.
I
think
the
one
meeting
you
know
last
month
was
one
of
those
situations,
and
it
might
be
that
in
those
situations
where
you
have
a
lot
of
people,
you
know
if
you've
got
a
really
tight
agenda.
You
try
to
keep
to
the
15
minutes.
G
B
G
L
The
way
we
are
so
I
want
to
try
to
keep
in
mind,
though,
that
we
are
writing
this
into
the
city
code
and
that
you
know
future
councils
will
be
looking
at
this
and
trying
to
abide
by
it.
So
it's
not
just
about
what
we're
doing
and
what
we
currently
experience,
but
what's
going
on
into
the
future,
thanks.
B
Okay,
so
I
think
if,
if
I
can
summarize,
I
think
we
want
to
air
as
much
as
possible
on
the
side
of
openness
as
we're
going
through
this.
I
think
we,
if
I'm
not
mistaken
and
hear
any
contrary,
voices
that
we
we
didn't
maybe
want
to
have
preferences,
but
we
might
do
a
random
assignment
if
we
have
more
than
five
and
maybe
suspend
the
rules
if
we
have
six
or
seven,
of
course,
that
wouldn't
we
wouldn't
necessarily
put
that
in
the
code.
B
Yeah,
that's
what
I
tried
to
do.
In
fact,
and
mr
jurgen
told
me
we
I
couldn't
do
that
back
a
few
meetings
ago.
When
it
looked
like
we
had
more
people
than
we
could.
Let
speak
so
and
it
turned
out
in
the
end
that
not
everybody
took
the
three
minutes
and
I
I
think
only
one
person
was
one
person
turned.
B
I
think
so
that's
correct.
Already
and
again,
there
are
many
other
opportunities
for
people
to
to
contact
us
in
a
variety
of
different
ways,
and
certainly
whether
it's
a
mayoral
open
house,
even
if,
if,
if
somebody
wants
to
bring
something,
even
if
the
council
members
are
not
there,
I'm
very
happy
to
contact
the
council
members
and
then
make
the
comments.
You
know
in
the
in
the
city
council
meeting.
If
we
had
a
consensus
or
we
had
certain
voices
at
a
at
a
mayoral
open
house
where
we
can
keep
going
anyway,.
B
I
think
we
were
we
wanted
to
go
with
the
cards
and
but
not
not
penalize
anyone
in
terms
of
whether
they've
spoken
before.
If
I'm
not
right
all
right,
I
think
that's
what
we're
doing
and
again.
If
we
get
the
unusual
time
we
might
have
six
or
seven,
we
could
suspend
the
rules
and
just
say
hey,
let's
give
a
little
slack
here:
okay,
alrighty!
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
E
This
is
certainly
an
area
of
the
law
where
I
think
cities
are
continuing
to
evolve
on
the
rules,
so
we'll
try
and
find
a
few
just
especially
in
central
illinois,
to
show
the
council
what
what
has
been
adopted
in
some
of
these
others,
as
we
bring
that
back.
So
our
intent
then
will
be
to
revise
this
ordinance
and
to
bring
that
put
that
on
a
future
city
council.
Regular
meeting
for
final
consideration
and
adoption,
as
well
as
amendments,
so
just
wanted
to
make
sure
is
you
know,
there's
no
objections
to
that.
That's.
B
E
Let
me
first
speak
for
a
few
minutes.
What
we
wanted
to
do
is,
as
even
was
was
mentioned
by
mr
heisner.
There
has
been
a
couple
of
public
meetings
over
on
the
west
side.
Certainly
alderman
black
alderman
alderman
schmidt
are
very
familiar
with
these
meetings
at
the
request,
especially
of
our
police
and
fire
department,
staff
has
been
looking
at
what
other
options
may
there
be,
including
reopening
west
jefferson,
and
some
of
these
meetings
have
been
to
talk
about.
You
know
why
is
from
a
public
safety
concern
and
emergency
access?
E
So
again,
the
emphasis
here
is-
and
I
think
especially
for
these
two
aldermen-
they
may
want
to
start
out
some
of
the
comments.
We're
just
trying
to
make
sure
is.
Have
we
completed
to
your
satisfaction
or
others
enough
community
outreach
or
do
we
do
need
to
do
a
little
more
of
that,
and
maybe
vary
that
a
little
before
coming
back
to
the
council
for
a
final
recommendation
of
staff?
E
D
I've
appreciated
the
fact
that
we
have
had
these
two
public
input
sessions
and
they've
been
fairly
well
attended.
I
think
the
second
one
was
I
I
personally
was
disappointed
by
the
number
of
people
who
showed
up
what
I've
observed
is
a
dichotomy
between
the
people
who
live
in
the
700
block
of
west
jefferson,
so
that
would
be
on
the
east
side
of
this
barricade
and
other
neighbors
who
live
on
the
other
side
of
the
barricade.
D
D
I
think
scott,
and
I
have
have
heard
that
other
people,
you
know,
have
heard
what
police
and
public
works
and
fire
and
others
have
said
about
access,
but
it
does
concern
me
that
there
are
a
number
of
of
residents
who
have
walked
away
from
these
meetings,
feeling
like
they
were
not
heard,
and
I
don't
I'm
not
sure
what
to
do
with
that.
I
think
you
know.
We've
invited
them
to
meetings.
We
have,
I
believe,
we've
mailed
things
to
everybody.
D
G
Alderman,
thank
you,
mr
mayor.
Thank
you
karen
for,
for
that.
I
think
that
that's
well
founded
and
while
I'm
speaking
jim,
is
it
possible,
but
like
a
google
map
on
here,
so
we
can
show
the
council
and
the
public
specifically
where
we're
talking
about.
Maybe
scott
would
be
able
to
weigh
in
sometimes
I'm
a
visual
person,
and
it
helps
to
see
the
map
to
see
specifically
what
we're
talking
about
and
kind
of,
the
issues
that
we
we
have
here.
G
And
so
I
asked
jim
for
some
feedback
and
he
had
mentioned
that
the
the
guys
in
the
trucks
were
having
some
with
the
new
equipment
getting
in
and
out
of
there
and
then,
of
course,
the
chief
weighed
in
saying
it
was
challenging
for
some
of
the
police
officers
to
get
up
and
around
that
area
to
address
some
of
the
crime
challenges.
So
it
was
definitely
worth
looking
into
it
and
that
conversation
then
turned
into
a
public
meeting
both
when
we
had
a
first
christian
church.
G
That
was,
I
would
say,
at
the
first
public
meeting,
we
had
about
two-thirds
kind
of
hesitant
supported
and
you
think
that's
a
fair
one,
maybe
a
little
bit
closer
to
50
50
between
we
asked
for
a
show
of
hands,
it's
very
unscientific,
but
it
was
not
overwhelming
support
for
opening
it
up.
But
there's
still,
I
think
there
was
a
consensus
that
at
least
looking
into
opening
it
up
was
was
something
that
the
citizens
wanted
to
do.
G
Yeah,
that's,
probably
a
fair
approach.
So
then
we
had
a
second
meeting
at
the
end
of
april
and
we
invited
the
the
neighbors
around
to
kind
of
get
some
more
feedback
specifically
about
this
project
and
some
of
the
the
other
issues
in
that
neighborhood
and
that
meeting
was
again
not
as
well
attended
as
we
would
have
hoped.
G
But
I
don't
think
we
asked
for
a
consensus
and
if
there
was,
I
don't
think
there
was
one
at
all,
and
I
think
that
from
the
feedback
that
I've
gotten-
and
I
would
say
it's
overwhelmingly
in
favor
of
opening
up
the
street-
I
mean
I
take
all
the
phone
calls
that
I
get
and
I
think
that
there
are
two
sides
to
this
issue.
But
I
think,
as
a
council,
we
should
give
staff
some
direction
as
to
to
what
it
is.
We
want
to
do
in
terms
of
further
public
comment.
G
Where
we're
going
to
ask
for
specific
feedback,
that
would
be,
I
guess
my
choice,
and
I
know
that
vasu
has
been
doing
a
lot
of
work
with
mind,
mixer
and
some
other
kind
of
social
media
and
one
of
the
questions
one
of
the
mayoral
open
houses
I
went
to
was
that
when
we
talk
about
water
bill
inserts
people
who
get
to
build
electronically,
how
do
they
get
those
that
feedback
and
provide
their
perspective?
So
perhaps
mind?
D
G
Yeah
it'd
be
nice
to
kind
of
map
out
some
of
the
responses
that
you
know
we
have
to
put
somebody's
address
on.
You
know
public
record,
but
kind
of
just
a
high
level
of
what
we're
kind
of
seeing
if
you
live
on
the
700
block
or
other
places
right.
So
what
we're
talking
about
here,
just
that
the
council
can
visualize
it
and
karen
you
want
to
yeah
perfect
thanks.
Google
yeah.
M
G
B
Is
it
fair
to
say
that
if
I'm
understanding
your
correctly
and
at
least
my
impressions,
maybe
karen
and
scott
both
can
weigh
in
on
us
the
primarily
the
people
who
are
against
opening?
This
up
are
those
who
live
east
of
the
current
barricade,
correct
and
other
than
that
it
seems
to
be
pretty.
I
think
that's
a
strong.
D
A
L
A
Coming
forward,
so
he
can
as
you're
talking
yeah.
My
inclination
is
just
to
kind
of
you
know,
get
more
deferred
because
it's
such
a
ward,
specific
thing,
location,
specific
that
sounds
like
you
guys
have
done
everything
right.
You
know
in
terms
of
reaching
out
to
the
public
and
trying
to
engage
citizens
so
appreciate
your
efforts.
B
J
So
it
does
affect
us
in
how
we
respond.
Tactically,
you
know
I
mean
where
it
opened
back
up
again.
You
know
we
can
come
from
any
direction
more
so
with
vehicles
as
opposed
to
what
we're
doing
now
and
as
the
fire
chief
had
told
me,
it's
very
tight
here,
getting
his
equipment
down
here
and
their
trucks,
and
often
they
have
to
back
up.
I
guess
the
same
as
public
works,
but
technically
for
us,
it
is
challenging.
H
J
Not
so
much
patrol,
but
once
you
drive
down
there
it's
hard
to
get
through.
So
if
you're
doing
a
drive-by
going
west
you're
pretty
much
stopped
as
I
understand
that
there
were
actually
even
blockades
up
there
initially
and
then
it
was
made
to
look
like
that.
So
aesthetically,
it
looks
nicer,
but
you
know,
if
you
can't
drive
through
then
it
makes
it
harder
to
affect
the
drive
by
and
also
it
affected,
our
responses.
J
J
G
H
So,
what's
the
what
is
the
thinking
in
in
academic
police
circles,
about
cul-de-sacs
and
about
crime
in
general,
I
mean
obviously
they're
used
strategically
in
a
lot
of
urban
areas.
What
is
what
what
does
most
of
the
literature
say
about
cul-de-sacs
and
closing
off
in
your?
You
know
your
knowledge,
your
vast
knowledge
of.
J
E
E
I
think
the
other
thing
we'll
we'll
do
too
is
make
sure
that
we
get
information
from
the
police
chief
and
fire
chief,
so
that
we're
really
putting
together
some
of
that
kind
of
staff
analysis
that
would
help
everyone
to
see
that
and
and
why
it
is
that
really
police
and
fire,
the
ones
who
really
brought
this
up
to
our
attention
and
felt
that
for
public
safety
reasons,
they
would
like
to
see
discussion
go
on
and
on
this,
so
we'll
be
happy
to
go
one
more
attempt.
One.
B
With
the
10
million
dollar
bond,
we
actually
were
down
to
zero,
but
then
there
was
another
million
dollars
put
in
with
the
four
cent
a
gallon
gas
tax
for
street
resurfacing.
Consider
the
question
is
now:
where
do
we
put
that
million
dollars?
And
so
I
guess
I'll
turn
it
over
to
you.
First,
mr
hales
origin.
Mr
karch,
thank.
E
E
E
E
We
have
a
lot
of
smaller
sections
of
streets
throughout
the
city
that
especially
have
kind
of
erupted.
You
know
or
bad,
and
one
thought
is
yes,
we
can
always
add
just
a
street
or
two,
but
the
biggest
bang
from
the
buck
could
be
having
the
engineers,
jim
and
his
crew.
Even
if
we
have
too
little
outsourcing
the
more
we
can
take
care
of
some
of
these
30
to
50
foot
sections
throughout
the
city
near
intersections.
E
You
know
before
intersections,
I
think,
the
greater
impact
and
the
appreciation
the
public
would
have,
especially
on
some
of
these
collector
roads,
arterial,
roads,
etc,
etc.
So
those
are
two
two
options
before
engineers
move
ahead.
We
wanted
to
see
if
the
council
wanted
to
weigh
in
and
give
us
some
feedback
now
with
that,
you
want
to
go
ahead
and
especially
talk
about
some
of
the
engineering
work
associated
with
those
two
options
and
the
timeline
to
react
to
those
depending
upon
the
direction
of
the
council.
M
Thank
you,
city
manager,
hales,
mayor
and
city
council
city
manager
is
correct.
We
really
tried
to
whenever
we
got
this
this
budget
through.
We
saw
two
different
potential
opportunities
that
were
feasible
really
for
staff
to
move
forward
in
a
timely
way,
one
as
you
recall.
Originally
we
looked
at
a
very
significantly
larger
amount
of
streets
than
what
we
ended
up
doing
so
one
of
the
options
as
a
city
or
city
manager
pointed
out
maybe
option
a
I'll
call.
It
is
take
some
of
those
streets
that
we
had
originally
looked
at.
In
that
original
list.
M
We
were
able
to
do
some
television.
We
were
able
to
already
identify
some
of
the
areas
and
and
do
those
maybe
10
to
15
smaller
residential,
smaller
volume
streets.
That's
one
possibility,
or
the
other
possibility
that
could
be
done,
is
something
that
we
had
done
in
the
past
two
fiscal
years,
but
this
year
there
wasn't
the
funding
for
it.
A
street
and
alley
maintenance
contract
you've
seen
that
before
a
couple
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
the
past
few
years,
house
staff.
M
Excuse
me
how
staff
has
utilized
that
in
the
past
are
those
issues
that
do
come
up
those
issues
that
are
more
of
those
30
50
foot,
smaller
sections
to
you
know
as
as
complaints
and
concerns
and
we're
not
able
to
address
them
because
of
a
resource
level.
It
gives
staff
that
flexibility
to
to
to
go
in
this
would
be
more
money
than
we
have
had
in
the
past,
but
it
gives
staff
some
flexibility.
M
The
downside
to
that
is,
we
might
have
to
bring
on
at
different
times
different
consulting
services
to
be
able
to
help
us
with
that
this
year.
As
you
know,
with
the
bond
work
and
a
lot
of
the
other
work,
we're
doing,
our
staff
is
very
much
our
con.
Our
inspection
staff
is
very
much
stressed,
so
that
would
have
to
be
part
of
that
million
dollars
to
be
able
to
do
that,
whereas
the
other
work
we
already
do
have
assessed,
and
it
can
be
locked
on
to
what
we're
doing
so.
M
What
we
would
do
for
both
is
one
let's
say:
option
a
as
I
talked
about
that
would
be
more
of
a
change
order
mechanism.
We
would
bring
to
you
option
b.
We
would
go
out
and
bid
that
work
under
a
street
and
alley
maintenance
contract
that
you've
seen
in
the
past,
so
we
would
then
be
bringing
it
to
you
at
a
later
date.
I
think
that
now
covers
what
the
two
different
options.
B
M
Our
existing
crews
are
doing
a
great
job,
as
I
said
before,
they
have
the
list
we've
already
given
them.
Here's
where
you're
going
so
they
know
they
have
they've
they've
already
are
dedicated
there
if
they
can
get
that
work
done.
That
is
amazing
because
we
have
given
them
a
substantial
amount
of
areas
to
hit
what
we'd
be
talking
about
is
areas
beyond
what
they
can
hit
during
this
current
fiscal
during
this
current
construction
year
and
even
into
the
very
beginning
of
the
next
construction
season,
depending
upon
what
we
have
left
so
very
fair
point.
A
Do
we
have
some
level
of
certainty
that
we're
not
going
to
have
some
underlying
infrastructure
issues
that
will
come
back
to
bite
us
in
those
areas,
because,
again
what
what
we've
tried
to
get
away
from
the
last
few
years
right
is
pave
the
street
and
then
come
back
and
tear
it
up.
So
craig
can
fix
a
water
line
or
you
can
fix
this.
You
know
that
type
of
thing.
A
M
Alderman
sage,
I'll
start
with
that
first
part,
because
that
that
was
just
the
last
thing.
You'd
said
that
was
really
that
scott
brown
is
an
employee
in
our
streets
and
sewers
division
and
and
scott
has
taken
ownership.
You
know
he
has
taken
ownership
of
the
grinding
operation
and
to
the
point
that
whenever
we
looked
at
some
of
this
new
equipment,
you
know
we
didn't
just
we
sent
him
out
to
look
at
it.
What
works?
What
doesn't
you
know
so
he
said
yeah.
M
Is
it
really
is
a
concern
that
we
should
be
thinking
about
for
underground,
it's
important
for
us
to
say
whenever
we
have
an
issue
that
could
potentially
be
a
concern?
It's
good
for
you
to
know
that
when
we
look
at
some
of
the
streets
around
town
on
the
issues,
we'll
do
everything
we
can
to
keep
up
with.
You
know
the
sewer,
but
you
recall,
we've
told
you
before
we
don't
have
all
the
santa
sewer
in
this
community
rated
televised.
Yet
we
started
making
movement
in
that
direction,
and
my
thanks
to
you
for
that
support.
M
But
we
are
not
there
yet
so
that
it
very
much
on
these
areas
could
be
a
realistic
concern.
That
being
said,
we'll
do
what
we
can
to
a
lot,
our
televising
crews,
internal,
to
look
at
those
areas.
We
can
but
there's
quite
a
few
areas
where
you
see
a
problem,
it's
because
of
something
underneath
the
road
and
that's
just
unfortunate.
Our
infrastructure
is
to
that
state
that
we
so
many
times
we're
pointing
the
fire
extinguisher
at
the
biggest
fire
and
trying
the
best
we
can
to
keep
up.
D
I
think
my
question
comment
is
very
closely
aligned
to
what
alderman
sage
was
talking
about.
I
know
that
we
have.
We
have
to
use
emergency
funds
when
we
have
failing
sewer
and
water
infrastructure
and
then
obviously,
then
we
have
to
repair
the
street.
So
if
we
go
with
the
second
plan,
where
we're
looking
at
streets
throughout
the
community
that
have
needs
how
much
of
this
money
might
end
up
going
towards
emergency
repairs
or
is
that
a
separate
budget
line
ultimate.
M
Schmidt,
that's
a
great
question.
One
of
the
one
of
the
things
we
looked
at
is
what
would
that
realistically
look
like
if
we
had
a
list
you
know
and
and
my
my
staff
was
really
hesitant,
because
you
know
you
don't
want
to
you
know.
Well,
we
we
don't
know
for
you
know
we
want
to
be
protective
of
that
if
you
release
that
it
becomes
a
big
deal.
M
But
you
know
you
you
look
at
that
and
we
were
looking
at
about
10
to
15
different
streets
yeah,
that
you
can
try
to
identify
and
say
well,
we've
already
done
some
sewer
work,
we've
already
looked
at
some
of
the
sewers
and
some
of
them
we've
identified.
There's
a
couple
dig
locations
that
we
would
need
to
do
as
part
of
our
utility
maintenance
contract.
But
again
these
are
areas
that
we
have
had
some
of
that
sewer
looked
at
so
to
kind
of
go
back
to
aldermen,
sages
point.
A
And
when
finance
committee
recommended
the
10
million
dollar
bond,
one
of
the
advantages
out
of
the
seven
or
eight
was
your
staff?
Couldn't
do
it
all
and
we
knew
that
and
then
we
would
have
to
outsource
some
of
it,
and
that
was
a
positive
thing.
It
wasn't
the
managed
competition
where
our
people
were
going
to
lose
their
jobs
because
we
wanted
to
outsource.
It
was
we're
going
to
be
at
capacity
and
we're
going
to
outsource
and
get
the
job
done
in
a
timely
manner,
and
it
wasn't
outsourcing
to
the
bad
word
consultants.
A
It
was
outsourcing
to
other
people
who
did
this
kind
of
work
from
out
of
town,
perhaps
or
in
town,
but
not,
I
don't
think
the
word
consultant's
the
right
word
it's
to
another
company
that
does
the
same
kinds
of
things
or
maybe
even
has
more
expertise
in
curbs
or
something
of
that
sort.
So
that
helps
clarify
it.
I
think
and-
and
we're
not
really
talking
about
how
do
we
accommodate
a
one
million
edition
to
me?
It's?
How
do
we
accommodate
a
three
million
dollar
deficit?
A
We
had
a
ten
million
dollar
bond
and
four
million
dollars
to
work
with
and
we
eliminated
the
four
million
dollars
so
effectively.
Now,
instead
of
14,
we
had
10,
but
now
we're
going
to
go
from
14
to
11..
So
we
had
the
original
plan
for
how
we're
going
to
do
14.
now
we're
going
down
to
11.
So
it's.
What
are
we
subtracting?
Not
what
are
we
adding
to
me
and
as
far
as
our
role
as
policymakers,
I
don't
think
it's
our
role
to
decide
what
you
do.
A
M
Just
so
we're
on
the
same
page,
because
I
think
there
was
some
confusion
with
option
a
do.
You
mean
that
the
street
and
alley
maintenance
contract
would
that
tie
up
more
arterial
arterials?
Or
do
you
mean?
Okay?
Yes,
because
some
of
the
more
we
do.
The
specific
blocks
that
have
already
been
looked
at.
Those
are
the
smaller
volume.
The
intention
was
for
those
we
had
a
lot
of
smaller
volume
roads
that
we
were
looking
at.
M
Hitting
that
that
again,
you
know,
as
you
look
at
that
list,
you
know
the
the
overall
volume
of
these
roads
are
in
the
hundreds
of
adt.
You
know
so
that's
where
it's
again
just
a
much
lower
volume
street
as
opposed
to
more
the
art,
the
higher
arterials,
but
those
are
the
ones
as
city
manager
pointed
out
that
you
know
you
can
have
10
15
20
000
people
on
a
day
that
a
lot
of
folks
really
it's
it
just
from
a
staff
perspective.
M
Let
me
tell
you
it's
it's
difficult
for
our
employees
to
be
able
to
keep
up
with
the
permanent
pot.
You
know
the
pothole
hotline,
it's
a
wonderful
thing,
it's
a
demanding
thing,
and
so
it
takes
a
lot
of
effort
because
there
the
our
streets
are
in
a
condition
our
staff
is
trying
to
keep
up
and
it
is.
It
is
a
demanding,
a
task,
keeping
up
with
our
infrastructure
right
now,.
K
E
K
M
Good
question,
unfortunately,
it
takes
time
and-
and
I
I
wish
it
wish-
it
was
one
of
those
things
that
we
could
snap
our
fingers
and
have
the
bids.
We
have
to
go
through
a
bidding
process
which
now
it
is
the
you
know
getting
to
where
shortly
to
the
last
council
in
may
will
with
the
council's
approval.
That's
I'm
getting
a
sense.
Let's
say
it
was
a
street
and
alley
maintenance
contract
that
you're
familiar.
Let's
say:
that's
the
direction
the
council
went,
we
would
have
to
go
through
the
bidding
process.
M
We
already
have
the
bid
documents
put
together
from
previous
years,
so
we
just
you,
know,
work
with
finance
through
the
the
procurement
office
get
that
kicked
out
as
soon
as
possible,
but
even
then
that
still
will
take
a
30
45
day
time
frame
and
then
additional,
probably
15
days
beyond
that.
So
you're
looking
in
that
two
to
three
month
time
frame
to
get
the
you
know
to
get
people
back
on
the
ground
to
get
them
working,
and
that's
that
does
get
you
you
know
pushing
out
into
closer
to
that
end
of
that
construction
season.
M
H
M
H
M
Very
quick
thing
for
our
pavement
preservation
that
we've
looked
at
and
we've
really
advocated
as
a
staff
to
the
council
is
our
pavements
are
not
in
the
condition
we
want
them.
So
we
have
to
stretch
the
life
of
what
we
have
reclaimed
is
a
pavement
preservation
used
on
new
streets
on
streets
that
are
just
resurfaced.
M
H
Them
from
each
warrior,
I
get
them
from
the
whole.
The
fact
that
you
went
out
and
and
dropped
off
door
hangers,
I
think,
to
all
of
in
my
instant
state,
elmwood
monroe.
I
really
appreciate
the
fact
that
you
did
that,
and
I
will
say
I
haven't
heard
too
much
more
I'd
like
to
be
informed
as
well.
If
it's
not
over
one
of
the
comments,
I
did
here
and
again,
forgive
me
if
I'm
really
off
I'm
way
off.
Maybe
I
am
were
potholes
repaired
before
the
crf.
M
Yeah
before
that,
crf
is
done,
a
lot
of
the
potholes
were
done.
It
came
to
my
attention
that
not
all
of
them
were
taken
care
of,
so
that
was
brought
up
that.
Yes,
there
were
some
afterwards
that
were
not
addressed,
but
there
was
a
list
of
where
they
were
going
with
that
crf
and
our
staff
tried
to
take
care
of
everyone
that
they
could,
because
it
was
intelligent
before
you
do
that
treatment
before
you
do
kind
of
a
seal
to
have
that
done
and
just
with
the
crf
just
just
it's
good
to
address
it.
M
We've
addressed
it
with
before
the
media
and
different
groups.
It
was,
unfortunately,
just
it
was
not
successful
as
it
had
been
in
the
past
or
a
few
factors
that
went
into
that
staff
is
still
trying
everything
we
can
to
think
outside
of
the
box.
We
really
are
because
we
think
that
we
can't
continue
to
do
what
we've
done
in
the
past
and
expect
different
results,
so
we
have
to
try
to
find
new
and
innovative
ways
to
stretch
the
life
of
our
pavement.
This
was
not
successful
this
year
under
anybody's
criteria.
M
B
E
Thank
you
mayor.
First,
I
did
want
to
give
you
just
an
update.
We
think
we're
getting
very
close
to
those
final
cost
figures
of
two
projects
over
in
the
coliseum,
which
were
emergency
in
nature.
One
was
the
smoke
exhaust
system
repairs
that,
as
you
know,
you
were
involved
in
some
decision
making
back
in
december
and
january
for
the
smoke
exhaust
system.
E
It
appears
that
what
we
think
is
getting
close
to
the
final
cost
of
that
just
for
materials
and
labor
is
about
a
hundred
and
twenty
thousand
dollars
for
the
general
exhaust
repairs
that
were
necessary
as
well.
We're
looking
at
about
a
hundred
and
eleven
thousand
dollars.
Both
of
these.
There
was
a
critical
need
to
move
ahead
quickly.
E
The
second
thing
I
do
want
to
bring
to
your
attention
to
new
emergency
facility
repair
projects
that
are
necessary.
If
you
look
in
the
packet
of
material
in
front
of
you,
you
have
some
pictures
there.
First
off
the
the
much
more
significant
cost
is,
unfortunately,
the
police
building
chiller
is
reaching
the
end
of
its
life.
E
This
particular
chiller
was
identified
by
faithful
and
gold
as
being
in
fair
condition,
but
also
one
that
was
reaching
near
the
end
of
their
lives.
We
thought
we
might
be
able
to
pick
up
another
year
or
two
so
again
we're
dealing
with
something
that
we,
it
wasn't
apparent
that
we
would
have
to
include
in
the
fiscal
year
2015
budget.
E
E
However,
to
get
this
picture
we
actually
had
to
saw
into
the
pipe
to
really
get
it.
You
know
an
idea.
What's
going
on
inside
that
wasn't
part
of
the
scope
of
work
when
faithful
and
gold
put
these
two
together,
what
I'd
like
derek,
if
you
could
help
me
as
I
let's
first
take
the
chiller,
I
think
our
estimated
cost
and
again
we
just
arrange
for
the
replacement
materials
and
labor
for
that
project
is
again
approximately
how
much
between.
E
I
So
in
your
parking
garage,
you
have
a
dry
system,
essentially
there's
no
water
in
the
pipe.
It's
all
air
there's
a
compressor
that
keeps
that
air
at
a
certain
pressure
range
so
that
water
doesn't
infiltrate
that
system.
When
the
compressor
went
down
two
weeks
ago
system
filled
up
with
water
and
leaks
became
apparent.
There's
water
busted,
you
have
pictures,
there
shoot
water
shooting
everywhere.
So
when
they
came
in
cut
the
pipes
open,
we
saw
that
large
amount
of
rust
in
the
pipes,
so
they
are
corroding.
I
E
Okay,
once
again
by
ordinance,
you
have
authorized
the
city
manager
to
proceed
on
emergency
type
projects
when
time
is
of
the
essence.
Neither
project
allows
us
the
latitude
of
going
out,
putting
together
plans
and
specs
putting
it
out,
but
we
are
doing
everything
we
can
to
get
good.
You
know
reasonable
prices,
in
fact,
just
to
let
you
know
we
are
also
exploring
with
the
state
of
illinois
as
to
whether
or
not
on
one
or
the
other.
E
I
think
it's
more
the
chiller
we
can
still
be
eligible
for
some
state
grant
money
for
part
of
that
replacement,
cost
we're
exploring
that
it's
a
time
sensitive,
we're
doing
everything
we
can
to
help
make
sure
that
we
get.
You
know
not
only
a
good
value
system,
but
if
we
can
take
advantage
of
some
state
grant
money
if
we're
part
of
the
chiller
we're
pursuing
that.
But
again,
this
is
going
on
a
day-to-day
basis
at
a
very
high
priority
level
to
help
because
the
biggest
concern
is
on
the
chiller.
E
I
Chiller,
there's
there's
not
very
much
we're
going
to
try
and
go
with
the
train
unit
again,
because
we
do
have
a
cooperative
networking
agreement
or
purchasing
agreement
with
them.
So
we're
going
with
another
high
efficiency
with
a
high
efficiency
model
that
I've
worked
through
with
the
train
representative
that
we
did
get
pricing
on
and
I'm
working
on
getting
the
cut
sheets.
For
that.
L
I
I
I
G
G
E
Yeah,
let
me
just
mention,
because
you
brought
up
alderman
lauer
this
facilities
management.
There's,
no
doubt
that
over
the
past
history,
city
of
bloomington
has
been
like
many
many
cities,
and
that
is,
there
has
been
minimal
funding
for
facilities,
maintenance
and
again
it's
it's
not
necessarily,
I
mean
across
the
nation.
You
know,
time
and
time
again
we're
seeing
that
there
just
hasn't
been
enough
money.
However,
what
we
are
working
on
is
to
ultimately
bring
back
to
you
a
recommendation
of
what
needs
to
be
our
future
facilities
management
program.
E
E
E
We
are
in
a
situation
where
again
we're
trying
to
come
back
to
you
with
some
good,
solid
recommendations
going
forward.
How
do
we
address
those
8.4
million
dollars
in
critical
and
life
safety
issues?
But,
furthermore,
what
needs
to
be
the
modern
day?
You
know
highly
confident
facilities
management
irregardless,
whether
it's
in-house
contract
hybrid
approach,
but
we
will
bring
back
to
you
both
a
operating
and
a
capital
recommendation
as
to
what
we
need
to
do
to
go
forward.
E
The
second
thing
is,
we
just
all
have
to
understand
that,
with
this
amount
of
deferred
maintenance
facilities
in
that
we
will
beginning
to
see
additional
emergency
needs
of
this
nature
and
again
sometimes
it's
going
to
be
difficult,
but
it
just
so
happens
that
in
the
first
month
of
the
new
fiscal
year
here
we
are
with
these
two
that
easily
could
be
around
200
000.
Now
we
will
also,
on
our
end
from
a
financial
management,
be
looking
at.
How
do
we
finance
it?
How
do
we,
how
do
we
adjust
the
budget
so
on
and
so
forth?
E
But
again
tonight
is
to
let
you
know.
These
are
two.
You
know
very
solid
emergencies
and
we
want
to
make
sure,
as
you
indicated,
alderman
black,
that
we
want
to
get
good
value,
so
we're
looking
at
making
replacements
so
that
we
get
another
20
25
30
years.
You
know
good
solid
life
and
we
take
advantage
of
any
and
all
energy
cost
savings
features
you
know
in
these
systems
as
well.
So
that
is
what
I
had
on
that
item
right,
I'm
ready
to
move
on
to
one
other
facility.
Oh,
oh
all,
right!
E
E
Secondly,
in
talking
with
greg
meader,
our
attorney
by
having
detailed
plans
and
specs,
we
see
added
value,
because
this
also
allows
mr
beater
as
he
talks
to
the
various
defendants.
You
know
that
are
out
there
that
have
been
notified,
that
they
may
have
some
liability
to
also
discuss
these
repairs
with
them.
E
Some
of
those
that
have
technical
expertise
and,
like
greg,
told
me
even
today,
on
the
phone
who
knows
if
they
have
any
other
thoughts
and
ideas,
how
we
can
from
a
very
cost,
efficient,
effective
manner,
make
the
repairs
we
certainly
that
could
be
part
of
some
of
those
discussions
but
and
then
last,
if
we
don't
proceed
with
moving,
at
least
in
the
direction
of
getting
the
plans
and
specs
ready.
What
we
all
want
to
avoid
is
to
have
the
repairs
not
made
and
that
we
go
through
another
winner
now.
E
E
What's
the
result
of
the
mediation
you
know
and
arbitration,
if
I'm
recommending
that
we
not
wait
to
see
the
finality
of
those
and
how
much
money
we're
going
to
receive
in
the
way
of
settlement,
you
know,
I
think
we
have
a
good
strong
case
to
get
some
reimbursement,
but
if
we
wait
that
could
be
the
end
of
summer
early
part
of
fall
and
by
then
we've
lost
the
opportunity
to
make
the
repairs
this
year.
So
again,
from
a
from
a
time
situation
from
being
able
to
get
the
pepsi
ice
center
garage
repaired.
E
You
saw
some
of
the
artists
renderings
of
how
I
think
aesthetically.
I
think
it
could
look
very
good,
but
what
I
want
to
do
is
bring
to
your
attention
tonight.
We
are
trying
to
get
a
price
quote,
and
I
may
even
be
back
here
next
week
with
a
very
specific
recommendation
to
proceed
with
the
engineering
work
so
that
we
can
be
a
little
closer
to
putting
the
repairs
out
for
bid,
which
I
believe
that
the
council
needs
to
consider
moving
ahead
with
such
contract
sooner
rather
than
later.
B
L
L
E
B
A
Correct
me,
if
I'm
wrong,
but
I
mean
we
have
some
contractual
obligations
with
people
who
own
the
the
sky
boxes
right
in
the
coliseum
to
provide,
and
certainly
we
want
to
preserve
those.
You
know
those
relationships
as
much
as
possible
right
exactly
plus
we
have
some
additional
cost
with
the
with
the
the
auxiliary
parking
as
well
right.
So
so
I
mean
there's,
there's
also
some,
maybe
not
quite
so
clear
cost
associated
with
it.
If
we
continue
to
wait
so
I'm
in
favor
of
going
forward
and.
E
B
E
E
E
Third,
we
have
tried
to
give
it
and
make
it
very
clear
that
two
projects
that
will
be
multi-year
is
street
master
plan
and
water
master
plan.
We
do
hope
to
achieve
maybe
fifty
percent
completion
on
those
two
in
the
current
fiscal
year,
but
we
don't
see
that
we
would
get
to
a
hundred
percent.
However,
you
know,
hopefully
we
can
provide
some
of
that
information.
E
What
are
we
projecting
that
revenue
to
be
over
the
next
five
years?
Consequently,
we
would
then
show
based
on
that
revenue.
What
could
we
do
within
those
revenue
parameters
in
the
way
of
projects
that
are
coming
from
those
master
plans
and
what
would
be
so-called
unfunded
projects
just
because
we
don't
have
projected
revenue?
That
would
be
sufficient.
E
As
far
as
future
capital
improvements,
we
didn't
have
master
plans,
we
didn't
have
prioritized
projects,
we
didn't
have
good
cost
analysis
or
even
cost-effective
analysis
we're
trying
to
do
more
of
that
in
this
and,
frankly,
I
think
once
we
even
bring
to
you
that
draft
five-year
capital
improvement
program,
we
should
really
broaden
and
look
at
ways
to
engage
the
community
so
that
they
can
see
what
would
existing
revenues
help
cover.
But
what
will
they
not
cover
in
the
way
of
addressing
much
of
this
deferred
capital
maintenance
and
deferred
capital
projects?
E
So
I
I
just
wanted
to
emphasize.
Hence
some
of
that
sharing
that
when
you
see
this,
this
will
be
kind
of
a
realistic
here's.
What
we
can
afford
based
on
revenue
projections,
but
here
will
be
the
unfunded
projects
and
as
best
we
can
also
what
the
priorities
will
be.
That
to
me
is,
I
think,
a
great,
a
better
starting
point
to
bring
to
you-
and
I
see
that
happening
later.
This
fall,
so
I
just
wanted
to
show
you
the
the
modifications
and
if
there
was
any
feedback,
be
willing
to
receive.
G
Then,
with
alderman
thank
you
yeah,
I'm
on
board
with
the
modifications
that
you've
made,
but
I
made
a
comment
about
this
last
time
about
the
status
column.
I
I
wonder
in
progress
could
mean
a
lot
of
things.
It
could
be
five
percent,
it
could
be
ten
percent,
it
could
be
ninety
percent
if
we
can
translate
that
to
more.