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April 21, 2014 - City Council Special Meeting
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C
Just
to
be
sure,
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
start
with
public
comment
and
then
we're
going
to
move
right
to
the
budget.
We're
going
to
go
ahead
and
start
out
with
a
familiar
face.
Mr
bruce
makes
please
come
forward
and
then
make
sure
that
you,
you
all
have
three
minutes,
and
we
for
those
of
you
who
are
new
and
I
think,
there's
at
least
one
person
who's
new.
Make
sure
that
you
please
state
your
address
as
well.
E
C
C
G
G
C
C
B
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G
C
G
B
C
Thank
you,
mr
john
protzman.
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G
D
G
G
D
G
G
And
you
have
a
choice
between
keeping
the
leg
but
killing
yourself
or
chopping
the
leg
off
and
sewing
it
up
and
moving
on.
I
think
it's
time
that
we
cut
the
coliseum
off
and
let
somebody
else
have
it
yeah
we're
going
to
have
a
huge
loss
and
we're
going
to
have
money
that
we
have
to
pay
out.
That's
going
to
nowhere.
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C
C
B
C
I
was
living
on
the
wire's
edge
and
it
really
doesn't
hurt
the
ones
who
don't
care
and
that's
the
sad
part
of
it.
It's
the
ones
who
care
the
ones
who
contribute
the
ones
who
are
working,
who
are
busting
their
hump
and
trying
to
get
by
day
to
day,
and
it
reaches
a
point
to
where
it's
just
it.
You
just
don't
know
what
the
hell
is
going
to
happen.
C
They
could
have
gone
for
something
else.
Another
shirt
for
my
son,
another
pair
of
shoes,
for
my
little
girl.
Those
are
the
kinds
of
things
I
think
about.
I
love
the
people
of
this
town.
Quite
frankly,
the
government
is
a
different
story
because,
like
I
said,
I'm
getting
tired
of
the
whipsaw
I'm
getting
tired.
C
C
C
C
One
of
the
best
stories
that
I
ever
saw-
and
I
spoke
to
this
once
before-
is
where
you
had
the
budget
out
there
and
people
defined
what
they
were
going
to
spend
their
money
on.
You
didn't
say
how
much
do
you
need?
You
said:
how
are
you
going
to
spend
the
money
that
we
give
you
and
then
the
determination
was
made
after
priorities
were
set
and
after
all,.
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C
B
If
we
need
to
suspend
the
rules-
or
I
have
one
additional
gentleman
that
was
a
little
bit
late
would
like
to
speak,
doesn't
come
often,
but
it
usually
has
something
very
worthwhile
to
say.
C
And
it's
their
second
second
by
alderwoman
schmidt,
and
do
we
need
to
go
ahead?
Can
we
do
a
voice
vote
on
that?
Madam
clark?
Okay,
so
I
guess
we
need
this
vote.
C
B
1600
south
main
bloomington
illinois
did
that
right.
I
wasn't
listening
earlier.
I'm
sorry,
I'm
late,
because
I
was
out
working
I'm
dirty
and
muddy
because
I
was
out
working.
We've
had
three
bad
years
in
business.
Two
years
in
a
row
we
didn't
already
make
any
money
and
I
borrowed
money
to
pay
my
employees
so
they'd
all
get
paid.
B
Worked
to
pay
people,
I
had
customers
today
that
had
expectations
they
won
their
trees
planted
one
of
my
guys
called
in
sick.
So
I
went
out
and
planted
trees
in
the
mud
today,
I'm
not
real
happy
about
it,
but
it
had
to
be
done.
My
customers
have
expectations.
Citizens
of
bloomington
have
expectations.
They
want
these
budgets
balanced.
B
C
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B
B
D
D
D
B
C
Thank
you
and
now
we
need
to
move
forward
and
we
have
to
we're
verifying
that
we
do
have
a
quorum
and
we
have
to
request
participation
by
telephone
by
alderman
sage
due
to
personal
illness,
and
I
wonder
if
I
could
have
a
motion
to
that
effect.
Some
moved
move
by
alderman
black.
Is
there
a
second
second
with
lots
of
second
by
older
woman,
painter,
okay
and
does
this
have
to
be?
We
can
do
voice,
but,
okay,
all
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye
is
anyone
opposed
motion?
Cares
records
show
unanimously.
C
C
Would
ask
for
the
courtesy
of
whenever
folks
are
talking,
make
sure
they're
as
close
to
the
microphone
as
they
can,
because
a
couple
of
the
public
comments
were
kind
of
cutting
in
and
out.
So
that
would
certainly
help
me
and
would
appreciate
that.
C
Thank
you
very
much
and
we
certainly
wish
you
a
speedy
recovery.
Thank
you
and
I'm
going
to
turn
to
our
we're,
starting
just
in
terms
of
our
agenda,
just
to
clarify.
Excuse
me,
the
fiscal
year
2015
budget
and
I'm
going
to
turn
to
our
interim
city
manager,
mike
kimmerling
who's,
going
to
give
a
little
bit
of
an
update,
and
then
I
will
make
a
couple
of
comments
and
we
will
move
right
to
a
conceptual
approval
of
proposed
cuts
and
restorations
under
item
4b.
Mr
kimberly.
A
Thank
you,
mayor
and
city
council,
I'm
I'm
apologizing
for
city
manager,
hales,
who
had
a
family
emergency
as
most
everyone
knows.
That's.
Why
he's
not
here
today?
Just
a
few
comments
that
I'll
make
in
regards
to
city
budget?
The
first
thing
is
that
you
know
there
is
a
fiduciary
responsibility
by
city
council
through
the
illinois
municipal
code
to
adopt
a
budget
with
before
the
end
of
the
fiscal
year,
which
is
april
30th.
A
While
I
know
there's
a
lot
of
balance
that
needs
to
go
on,
I
would
actually
ask
all
of
you
to
consider
very
much
adoption
of
a
budget
and
remembering
that
it
is
not
an
end,
but
a
start
for
the
next
year.
At
any
point
in
time,
during
our
next
fiscal
year,
we
can
actually
amend
the
budget
is
my
understanding
that
we,
it
can
be
amended
and
changed,
but
we
do
need
to
adopt
one.
So
we
can
operate,
there's
a
lot
of
issues
with
spending
authority
that
that
could
occur.
A
C
With
that
mayor
great,
thank
you
again.
This
has
been
a
about
a
nine
month
process.
It
was
about
was
nine
months
ago
last
summer
in
august
that
we
first
began
to
have
in
public
at
mayoral
town
hall
meetings.
Excuse
me,
mural,
open
houses
and
town
hall
meetings,
a
discussion
about
the
budget
and
about
our
impending
public
safety,
our
police
and
fire
pension
policy.
The
council,
I
think,
did
wisely
in
november,
adopt
a
very
aggressive
pension
policy
that
pension
policy
is
for
our
police
officers
and
firefighters.
C
This
is
something
that
we
ultimately
have
to
pay.
There
have
been
some
misunderstanding
of
people
who
have
emailed
us
and
contacted
us.
We
don't
have
any
choice.
The
state
of
illinois
decides.
We
don't
have
the
authority
to
say
you
have
to
work
till
65
or
you
have
to
work
till
62..
We
don't
have
that
authority
to
alter
the
pensions,
so
it
is
our
obligation
we
have
to
have
to
step
up
to
the
plate.
C
We
may
be
at
the
bottom
of
the
federalism
food
chain,
but
we
have
to
pay
our
bills,
and
I
think
the
council
did
this
in
in
for
the
right
reasons,
we
have
a
fairly
steep
set
of
additional
payments
over
the
next
few
years,
but
it
pretty
much
after
five
years
gets
us
to
the
point
where
we've
done
right
by
our
future
citizens
for
the
next
generation.
C
So
when
we're
running
out
of
of
our
house,
because
it's
on
fire
there's
a
problem
they're
running
in
and
when
some
bad
person
tries
to
get
into
our
house
they're
in
to
make
sure
that
either
they
don't
get
in
or
that
they
get
out.
So
these
are
people
who
are
on
the
front
lines,
and
so
I
think
for
lots
of
reasons
that
we
did
a
an
important
job
there.
The
other
difficulty
is
five
years
ago
we
had
a
fiscal
crisis.
Most
of
us
know
that,
and
we
shed
about
75
full-time
equivalent
positions.
C
Had
we
not
shed
those,
it
would
be
a
lot
easier
for
us
to
find
budget
cuts
today.
Had
we
had
inflationary
increases
over
the
last
four
to
five
fiscal
years
in
our
general
fund,
even
if
they
were
one
point,
two
percent
one
point:
nine,
two
percent:
it
would
be
easier
for
us
today,
but
that's
not.
We
can't
turn
the
clock
back
five
years
ago.
It
would
have
been
a
lot
easier
for
us
to
handle
the
situation.
C
We
have
to
deal
with
what's
in
front
of
us
today
and
we
have
gone
through
nine
months
of
many
mayoral
open
houses,
almost
every
single
one
of
them
over
the
last
nine
months,
so
that
would
be
approximately
18
mayoral
open
houses.
We've
had
most,
everyone
focused
on
the
budget
and
our
trade-offs
and
what's
coming
up,
we've
had
three
town
hall
meetings,
one
back
in
september
and
late
september.
I
believe
it
was,
and
two
fairly
recently
we've
had
a
public
hearing.
C
We've
had
many
discussions
in
public,
whether
it's
the
rotary
or
the
kiwanis
and
month
after
month
after
month.
Frankly,
in
spite
of
what
some
may
have
said,
I
don't
think
I've
ever
seen
a
city
budget
process
that
has
been
more
open
with
more
participation
than
we
have.
Does
that
mean
we
can't
do
better?
Of
course
it
doesn't
mean
what
we
can't
do
better,
but
it
is
certainly
one
that
we've
had
lots
and
lots
of
public
input
in.
C
So
at
this
point,
I
think,
as
many
have
suggested
it's
time
for
us
to
act,
we
could
have
pushed
this
off
until
next
week.
The
problem
is,
is
that's
putting
it
off
even
further,
as
I
believe
alton
franklin
suggested.
We've
already
put
this
off
long
enough.
That
would
be
two
days
from
our
fiscal
cliff,
the
30th
of
april.
So
that's
why
tonight
we
have
this
on
the
agenda
and
hopefully
we
will
act.
We
will
make
the
decisions.
The
proposal
that
is
in
front
of
us
today
is,
I
think,
very
clearly
a
balanced
approach.
C
The
number
of
fee
or
tax
increases
is
almost
identical
dollar
for
dollar,
for
the
tax
for
the
the
spending
cuts
that
were
proposed,
and
it
does
reflect
the
the
diligence
you
know,
diligence
of
I
think
the
council
and
the
city
manager
and
others
and
staff
we
wanted
not
to
just
take
a
medax
approach.
We
were
listening
to
our
citizens,
who
said
we
want
cuts.
C
We
do
we're
willing
to
pay
a
little
bit
more,
but
we
also
want
the
vibrancy
and
vitality
of
our
city
of
our
community
to
be
maintained,
and
so
that's
what
I
I
believe,
what
we
have
in
front
of
us
is
this,
a
budget
that
any
of
us
like.
No,
I
don't
think
there's
anybody
here
who
will
like
this
budget.
Is
it
a
budget
that
we
can
live
with?
That's
a
question
the
council
will
answer
tonight.
Is
it
a
budget
that
works?
C
Yes,
it
is
one
that,
as
presented,
would
not
require
us
to
dip
in
to
our
fund
balance.
That
is
not
require
us
to
dip
into
savings
to
get
through
the
year.
The
budget,
as
currently
presented
will
also
mostly
take
care
of
any
of
our
extra
costs
from
this
past
winter,
where
we
had
nearly
a
million
dollars
of
over
of
cost
overages
in
whether
it's
salt
and
overtime
etc,
and
this
gives
us
a
little
bit
of
a
surplus
of
a
little
over
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
to
mostly
cover
that
so
from
those
metrics.
C
I
think
it's
it's
fiscally
responsible.
Is
it
the
exact
mix
of
what
any
of
us
would
want?
I'm
sure
not
certainly
not
what
I'd
want.
Many
of
us
have
tried
to
swallow
some
pretty
bitter
pills,
as
we've
gone
forward
with
this.
But
again
I
think
it's
a
very
balanced
approach,
and
it's
certainly
one
where
we,
we
have
been
listening,
and
we
it's
now
hopefully
time
for
us
to
act
as
we
move
forward
on
item
4b,
we
have
a
conceptual
approval
of
proposed
cuts
and
restorations.
C
This
is
these
are
the
so-called
boxes
that
all
the
men
and
women
checked
to
decide
what
areas
that
they
wanted
to
have
cut
or
items
that
they
wanted
to
have
restored
or
what
their
tolerance
might
be
for
some
tax
or
fee
increases.
At
this
point,
we're
focusing
on
just
the
proposed
cuts
and
restoration.
C
H
C
The
the
proposed
cuts
and
restorations
that
have
been
put
in
front
of
us
would
do
we
support
those,
in
other
words,
in
concept,
we're
going
to
vote
on
the
pieces
of
this
before
we
vote
on
the
budget
as
a
whole
right
and
the
first
would
we
in
concept
accept
in
a
sense
the
proposed
cuts
and
restorations
that
are
in
our
packet?
Okay,
if
there
would
be
any
amendments
or
changes
to
that,
this
would
be
the
time
to
suggest
them
and
then
we'd
move
forward.
Thank
you.
I
apologize
for
that.
C
C
Okay,
alderman,
fazzini.
C
As
presented
okay,
I
will
second
that
motion
with
some
comments
as
well.
Okay.
Well,
who
would
like
to
speak?
So
I
can
decide
roughly
how
many
minutes
we
have
to
allocate.
So
we
have.
We
have
definitely
the
maker
of
the
motion
in
a
second
who
wants
to
speak
to
this
anyone
else:
alderman,
lauer!
Okay,
oh
judy,
I'm
sorry!
Okay,
four
of
us!
So
let's
do
approximately
two
minutes
and
let's
go
alderman
fazzini,
since
you
made
the
motion,
we'll
start
with
you,
fazzini
black
lauer
and
stearns
for
the
fourth.
G
C
C
C
I
just
want
to
make
the
comment:
okay,
alderman
black!
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
One
of
the
restorations
I
wanted
to
talk
about
very
briefly.
I
like
to
do
this
in
public,
as
opposed
to
just
via
email,
is
number
35.
That's
the
recreation!
Is
it
okay
if
we
called
john
up
here
to
break
down
some
of
the
yes,
given
that
the
ten
minutes
that
we
have
here,
it's
gonna
so.
F
C
Curious
because
I'd
like
to
hear,
because
we
got
a
lot
of
citizen
feedback
about
some
of
the
parks
and
rec
programs
that
were
on
the
table
to
potentially
be
cut
and
I'd
like
to
specifically
discuss
the
ones
that
are
if
we
conceptually
approve
this
on
the
chopping
block.
B
C
C
B
Zumba
would
not
be
affected.
We.
C
Got
a
lot
of
feedback
about
zumba;
okay!
Thank
you
all
right,
ultimate,
lauer.
C
Okay,
so
is
that
a
counter
proposal,
that's
a
kind
of
proposal
and
what's
the
counter
proposal
that
is
to
do.
F
That
we
look
at
page
12
of
the
original
document
that
we
looked
at
originally
12
and
13
and
see
if.
C
Well
again,
if
that's
a
motion,
then
then
you
want
to
prove
all
those
cuts.
Yes,
sir
okay,
is
there
a
second
second
okay,
second,
by
older
woman's
turns
now
we
do
have
a
problem,
though
we
have
a
substitute
motion,
though,
here
right,
yeah,
yeah
you're,
not
withdrawing
emotion,
okay,
but
george
yeah.
C
Okay,
now
george,
in
order
for
them
to
amend,
do
we
have
to
does
the
maker
and
the
seconder
have
to
agree,
or
do
we
vote
on
an
amendment?
First?
C
Okay,
all
right,
I
wonder
if
we
can
go
ahead
and
in
any
comments
quickly.
E
H
H
C
On
the
the
amendment
that
alderman
lauer
has
proposed
to
the
main
motion,
so
we
vote
on
the
amendment
first,
okay,
when
we
go
ahead
and
begin
our
vote.
C
And
alderman
sage,
can
you
hear
us?
Are
you
voting
on
this
as
well?
Yes,
this
is
on
the
lauer
amendment.
Yes,
the
lower
amendment
correct
yes,
I
I
am
prepared
to
vote.
Okay,
go
ahead,
no
okay!
So
the
the
motion
fails
two
eyes
and
then,
madam
clerk,
would
you
announce
the
what
would
be
seven
nays
are
alderman.
C
Okay,
now
we'll
go
back
to
the
main
motion
and
alderman
fruin.
G
Well,
I
chipped
in
here
at
the
last
minute
here
I
guess,
but
I
think
the
way
this
conversation
is
going
is
scott.
Had
a
line
item
that
he
had
questioned
on,
I
think
kevin
and
judy
have
quote
line
items
they
want
to
talk
about
that's
kind
of
where
I'm
from
coming
from.
I
think
all
of
us
kind
of
feel
that
way.
There
might
be
one
two
or
more
items
in
here
that
we
would
like
myself
speaking
a
little
more
discussion
about
whether
they
can
or
or
they
should
or
should
not
be
included.
G
G
C
C
G
C
I'm
going
to
make
this
amendment,
I
mean
this
is
the
time
that
it
would
be
in
order
if
there's
something
you
would
like.
I
mean.
Obviously
it's
always
hazardous
to
go
down
a
a
budget
line
item
by
line
item
at
the
last
hour.
But
at
this
point
I
think
that's
a
pretty
clear
one.
If
there's
a
second
and
if
this
passes,
then
this
is
the
time
to
have
that
discussion.
We
if
we
run
out
of
time,
which
is
quite
possible,
we
can
conceivably
extend
this
discussion.
C
In
the
budget,
okay,
is
there
a
second
to
this
okay?
The
motion
dice
for
lack
of
a
second
okay,
any
other
amendments.
Okay,
I'm
sorry,
older
woman,
schmidt.
C
And
that
would
be,
would
you
clarify
that
so
we
have
this
for
the
record.
So
there's
no
question
about
this
and
mr
karcz,
you
just
you
know
precisely
what
we're
talking
about.
G
C
C
F
G
C
Okay,
all
right
and
okay,
let's
see
all
the
middle
wombway
and
excuse
me
with.
B
G
C
Yeah,
okay,
okay,
alderman
miller,
wombway
and
painter,
and
if
we
go
beyond
that,
then
I'm
gonna
need
to
have
an
emotion
for
us
to
continue
the
discussion.
Yes,
well,
I
guess.
As
far
as
those
traffic
lights
are
concerned,
I
think
this
is
something
that
we
talked
about
last
year
during
the
budget.
C
If
I
remember
correctly,
a
couple
of
the
issues
were
related
to
safety
right
near
stevenson
school
one
of
them
had
to
do
with
economic
development
nearby.
I
think
it's
auto
roll,
I
guess
which
made
it
very
difficult.
It's
also
safety
actually,
because
I
do
remember
us
talking
about
some
of
the
traffic
issues
that
people
had
trying
to
get
out
of
that
area
and
onto
ge
road.
So
I
mean
in
addition
to
that.
I
you
know,
then
I
would
ask
you
know,
which
one
do
you
do
first,
so
where?
F
B
C
Yeah
in
that,
in
that
direction
that
maybe
jim
can
provide
some
some
clarification
about
what.
C
Do
first,
you
know:
okay,
all
the
woman
painter
go
ahead.
I.
H
C
Right,
and
did
you
want
again
we
after
this
we're
really
going
to
have
to
get
a
motion
to
extend
debate
if
we
want
to
yeah,
and
if
I
can
add
one
more
thing,
please
I
I
do
know
the
the
the
one
on
auto
row
is
one
that
has
been
delayed
a
number
of
times.
You
know,
at
least
once
in
the
past,
was
taken
out
of
the
budget.
Okay
in
the
past.
C
C
Very
healthy
dialogue,
each
each
intersection
has
its
merits,
but
very
briefly
for
the
hershey
and
clearwater
and
arrowhead.
It
would
be
our
recommendation
professional
recommendation
not
to
separate
those
out.
It
would
be
intelligent
to
do
those
together
because
of
their
proximity
and
their
their
joint
impact
upon
the
both
intersections.
So
you
know,
auto
row
would
be
a
logical
one
to
do
first,
but
they're
also
very
much
safety
merits
for
arrowhead
as
well.
C
So
just
as
some
brief
comments
for
you,
okay
all
right
now,
we
then
we're
gonna
go
ahead
and
vote
on
this
amendment.
Okay,
okay,.
C
Is
it
I've
got
I'm
not
putting
it
on
there
until
I
alderman
sage?
Yes,
how
do
you
vote
on
this
amendment?
This
is
the
amendment
the
fizzini
amendment
to
in
a
sense,
delay
two
of
the
intersections.
B
Cut
but
with
the
conversation
about
public
safety,
particularly
around
the
school
and
in
that
area,
I
will
vote.
C
Okay,
the
according
to
the
the
amendment,
would
have
five
eyes
and
four
nays
and
madam
clerk,
would
you
announce
the
nays.
C
Other
amendments
to
the
main
motion
at
this
point,
even
if
they're
line
item
by
line
item,
then
we
do
need
to
suspend
the
rules.
Otherwise,
I
will
move
to
vote
on
the
main
motion
as
amended,
so
it
would
be
to
accept
the
cuts
and
restorations
minus
the
the
two
intersections.
Yes,
ms
silva
pen,
sure.
I
I
I'm
not
sure
I'm
trying
I'm
talking
with
george,
essentially
those
lights
were
adopted
in
your
last
budget
and
those
funds
are
in
your
last
budget.
There's
nothing
in
the
15
budget.
For
these
three
lights.
C
F
I
C
G
C
C
C
C
Can
I
have
a
motion
to
I
made
the
motion
I'll
make
the
motion
the
most
moved
by
alderman
zazini?
Is
there
a
second
second?
Second,
by
all
the
woman
schmidt,
okay,
go
ahead
and
alderman
sager?
Would
you
vote?
Are
you
prepared
to
vote
on
rescinding
the
amendment?
This
was
the
700
000
for
the
lights.
Yes,
correct
that
that
turns
out.
It
was
last
year's
budget
yeah,
and
I
would
if
I'm,
if
I'm
understanding
the
motion
correctly,
then
I
would
agree
to
to.
C
Thank
you,
and
so
the
motion
carries
nine
to
zero,
including
alderman
sage,
who
is
of
course
calling
in
okay.
Now
we
will
move
back
to
our
main
motion
and
alderman
sterns.
You
have
a
comment.
I.
E
Do
okay
and
that
so
now
we're
back
to
the
conceptual.
C
Cuts
we
had
several
different
proposals
and
either
none
of
which
passed
or
one
of
which
passed,
which
turned.
H
Out
and
I
have
recurrence,
I
have
a
few
comments
and
one
of
the
first
ones.
C
This
was
actually
there's
several
time
here
limits
here
that
don't
really
add
up
when
we
get
to
the
utility
tax
or
components
that
were
added
in
that.
I
don't
think
we
probably
don't
need
that
much
time,
and
here
we
might
need
a
little
more,
but
if
we're
going
to
go
any
further,
if
you
want
to
suspend
the
rules
for
us
to
discuss
this
more
then
fine.
C
C
E
We
still
have
it.
I
proposed
a
cut
of
not.
C
I
C
E
The
unit
that
investigates.
C
Child
sex
crimes
and
pornography
and
all
kinds
of
online
criminal
activity,
which
I
would
say,
is
extremely
important,
so
that
is
one
of
the
administration.
Administrative
cuts
that
to
me
is
a
direct
hit
on
the
safety
of
our
children
in
bloomington,
and
I
am
not
for
that
cut
and
I'm
not.
As
I
said
in
my
what
I
turned
in
for
really.
C
The
nubs,
so
I'm
not,
for,
I
guess,
we're
cutting
a
janitor
or
something,
and
you
know
frankly,
I
mean
I'm
just
not
in
favor
of
doing
that,
because
I
think
that
we're
adding
administration
and
we're
taking
away
from
the
on
the
street
critical
services
that
contribute
to
safety
and
well-being
of
our
children
and
our
citizens.
So
I
I
cannot
support
this.
E
E
C
Carl
woodward
has
told
us
he
came
here
last
week.
I
guess
and
said
you.
People
are
a
joke
and
I
think
what
he
was
talking.
This
is
an
accountant.
This
is
a
very,
very
successful
businessman
in
bloomington
who
knows
numbers
and
knows
finance
and
looked
at
this
and
came
to
the
town
halls,
and
what
he's
telling
us,
I
think,
is
that
we
are
going
over
a
cliff
in
the
city
of
bloomington.
C
H
Frankly,
I'll
I'll
just
use
carl
woodward's,
this
is
a
joke.
I
I've
noticed
in
the
past
five
years,
we've
gone
from
300.
C
000
in
administrative
salaries
in
our
city,
manager's
office
to
what
was
proposed
was
625
000
in
our
city
manager's
office.
We
spent
250
000
on
food
and
travel.
If
I
take
a
trip
with
the
city,
and-
and
I
have
why
don't
we
all
just
pay
for
our
food
and
pay
for
it?
Why
don't
we
all
just
bring
our
food,
then
we
can
be
taxed
more.
Why
don't
we
take
a
look
at
judy.
A
A
C
And
I
think
you've
made
all
those
points,
many
many
times
in
the
past
and
I'm
going
to
go
on
to
ultimate
lauer
and
if
you
want,
if
the
council
wants
to
continue
to
get
this
discussion,
that's
fine.
But
we
do
we're
going
to
need
to
have
after
alderman
lauer
gets
to
say
a
motion
to
suspend
the
rules
to
continue
this
I'd.
C
Discuss
these
okay,
alderman
lauer
makes
a
motion.
Is
there
a
second
second
by
alderman
stearns,
okay,
go
ahead
and
vote
oops!
Oh
excuse
me
sorry,
I
can't
get
it
off
there.
It
is
sorry,
okay,
alderman
sage,
no,
no
alderman
sage.
C
Can
you
hear
us
alderman
sage,
hello,
dave,
alderman
sage.
Can
you
hear
us
we're
looking
for
a
vote
on
whether
to
continue
the
discussion
or
whether
to
cut
off
debate?
Can?
Can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
we
can
and
I'm
sorry
I
lost
connection.
Are
we
still
voting
on
the
lauer
amendment
correct?
I
vote
no.
Okay,.
C
Okay,
the
the
motion
carries
five
to
four
that
we
will
continue
and
at
this
point
we
didn't
have
a
specified
time,
but
we'll
go
ahead
and
give
another
15.
I'm
sorry,
mr
boyle.
C
C
C
Alderman
sage,
are
you
there?
Yes,
I
am
with
this.
This
again
is
the
the
motion
that
is
item
4b,
that
was
on
our
agenda
to
accept
the
conceptual
approval
of
proposed
cuts
and
restorations.
Do
you
have
a
vote
on
that?
I
vote
yes,
okay,
so
the
motion
carries
seven
to
two.
Madam
clerk,
would
you
announce
the
nays?
The
nays
are
alderman
lauer
and
all
the
new
stern.
C
Thank
you
mayor.
Yes,
mayor.
B
I've
noticed
now
the
two
or
three
times
where
tracy
has
had
some
announcements
to
make.
I
am
not
able
to
hear
her,
except
maybe
a
syllable
here
or.
C
There
so
the
mike's
gonna
have
to
come
closer
or
she's.
Gonna
have
to
speak
more
loudly,
okay,
she
was
just
announcing
the
the
the
two
nays.
The
motion
had
carried
seven
to
two
and
the
two
nays
were
all
the
woman,
stearns
and
alderman
lauer.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
okay,
and
we
move
right
along
to
the
next
item,
which
is
a
text
amendment
to
the
ordinance
on
chapter.
C
I'll
make
that
motion
motion
made
by
alderman
black
is
there
a
second.
C
G
C
I
mean
the
the
initial
one
back
when
they
right
probably.
G
070809
or
somewhere
in
there-
and
I
remember
a
kind
of
lively
discussion
at
the
time
and
I
was
well
it
didn't
matter
what
I
was.
G
C
Okay,
thank
you
other
comments
on
this
motion.
All
the
woman's
turns
indeed,
sunset
clauses
never
come
off
and
there's.
H
No
point,
in
my
opinion,
in
putting
them
in
while
I
do
not
support
tax
increases
because,
as
I've
already
said,
I
believe
there,
the
tax
increases
are
to
fund
frivolities
extra
frills
and
not
not
the
basic
services
at
all.
In
fact,
sadly,
some
of
our
cuts
are
actually
taking
away
from
basic
services
and
they
don't
need
to.
But
anyway
I
will
support
not
sunsetting
this
tax,
because
it's
not
really
increasing
anything.
H
C
F
Go
there,
I
guess
we
do.
I
think.
C
G
Have
some
clarification
because
dr
carol
struck
and
myself
were
the
two
who.
C
Represented
the
bloomington
center
for
performing
arts
when
we
established
this,
we
made
them.
We
made
the
presentation.
The
vote
was
63
at
that
time
to
approve
it,
it
was
supposed
to
be
for
the
bloomington
center
for
performing
arts
only
not
the
coliseum.
C
Then
so,
just
for
clarification
as
to
how
this
came
about
and
what
we're
voting
on.
Okay,
all
righty!
Thank
you!
Oh
I'm!
Sorry
all
the
women.
I.
I
H
C
D
C
Alderman
sage,
can
you
hear
us
alderman
sage
dave?
Have
we
lost
you
up
yeah,
I'm
I'm
somehow
back
online
again,
oh
okay,
yeah!
We
just
want
to
make
sure
that
you
we're
we're
now
voting
on
the
the
sunset
removal
item,
five
and
and
how
do
you
vote
on
that?
I
vote
yes,.
C
Okay,
the
man,
of
course
the
motion
carries
eight
one:
you
would
you
announce
the
names.
C
Okay.
We
move
then,
to
the
text
amendment
to
ordinance
again
similar
theme
here,
30
chapter
39
for
implementation
of
a
four
percent
amusement
tax.
Is
there
a
motion
to
approve
this.
H
C
Moved
moved
by
older
woman
painter
is
there
a
second
a
second
okay,
second,
by
alderman
middleweight
discussion.
C
Okay,
I
guess
we'll
go
ahead
and
start
to
vote.
C
And
ultimate
sage,
I
will
vote
no
on
this
item.
Okay,
then,
the
there
are
three
nays
and
six
eyes
on
the
amusement
tax.
Madam
clerk,
would
you
announce
the
nays
the.
C
C
Second,
second,
by
alderwoman
schmidt,
discussion,
yeah,
okay,
let
me
see
who
these
two
ones
just
hold
them
in
lower
sterns
and
black.
C
Okay,
although
oh
excuse
me
and
all
the
women
painter
so
alderman
lauer,
you
have
the
floor.
First,
sir,.
F
Yes,
sir.
Well,
I
I'm
against
this
fundamentally
because
it's
extremely
hard
on
our
business
community.
C
B
F
B
F
And
he
may
not
be
able
to
make
his
bottom
line
again
this
year
and
and
point
in
fact,
I
I
passed
out
a
little
handout.
That
kind.
B
Of
covers
folks
that
are
much
more
in
tune
to
exactly
what's
going
on
here
in
bloomington
than
I
moody's,
analytic
precipice
report
of
october
2013
talks
about
a
struggling
property
casualty,
insurance
industry
and
the
public
sector
have
been
putting
additional
risk.
F
Of
falling
back
into
a
recession,
okay,
and
they
go
on
to
talk
about
risks
which
are
weighted
to
the
downside,
because
the
trailing
job
creation
due
to
demographics
and
our
low
industrial
diversity,
so
our
financial
sector
doesn't
do
well.
We
typically
don't
do
well
and
folks
we're
not
doing
well
right
now.
We've
got
an
uptick
in
in
unemployment.
Okay,
in
the
recent
months
from.
B
In
the
seven
percent
range
to
about
eight
percent
now.
D
B
That's
highlighted
again
down.
F
At
the
bottom
of
the
page,
there
talks
about
the
milken
institute.
C
Jobs
are
created
and
sustained
lonesome
normal
is
is
now
as
of.
B
2013
ranked
98th
down
from
66th
in
2012,
so
that's
quite
a
drop
and
and
those
components
that
they're
looking
at
are
evaluating
job
wage,
salary
and
and
technology
growth,
and
so
it
just
underlines
what
I'm
I've
been
trying
to
bring.
Thank
you.
H
I
I
agree
with
what
alderman
lauer
said.
There
is
no
question
that
you
increase
costs
and
you
will.
You
will
decrease
your
business
community's
ability
to
to
to
thrive
and
to
add
the
economic
engine
in
this
community
and
mr
nafsiger,
who
has
a
wonderful,
successful
business
here
in
bloomington,
really
a
an
anchor
for
the
south
side,
really
told
us
in
in
in
perfect
language
tonight
he
told
us
how
it
is
a
lot
of
us
work
at
universities.
H
We,
you
know,
we
don't
live
in
the
real
world
and
we
don't
understand
what
this
does
to
the
average
citizen
and
don't
tell
me
I've
heard
it
won't
increase
prices.
You
need
to
go
down
to
st
louis
sometime
and
you
will
watch
the
gas
stations
in
missouri
and
illinois
and
I
will
guarantee
you.
You
will
see
an
exodus,
constant
exodus
and
they
not
only
buy
gas
over
there.
They
buy
everything
else
over
there
too.
The
people
from
illinois
is
what
I'm
talking
about.
H
H
H
Also
going
to
increase
our
costs
at
the
city
of
bloomington,
because
we're
a
pretty
big
gas
consumer,
so
this
is
this
is
just
very
disappointing
it
it
will.
It
will
not
work
and
frankly,
it's
just
going
to
take
money
out
of
our
citizens
pockets
and
take
money
out
of
the
local
economy,
and
it's
a
shame
that
we
can't
lead.
We
have
to
follow.
We
have
to
follow.
Oh
well,
these
other
things
have
so
obviously
we
have
to
do
it.
Shame
it
really
is
I
I
very
much
opposed
to
this.
C
We'll
go
on
to
ultimate
black,
and
just
as
the
clarification
this
is
the
the
tax
is
earmarked.
I
didn't
think
I
mentioned
that
for
streets.
It
has
to
be.
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
I
appreciate
this
and,
if
you'll
indulge
me
so.
H
I
grew
up
in
the
chicagoland
area
and
I
remember
when
I
turned
16
gas
prices
and.
D
The
risk
of
sounding
nostalgic
were
like
a
buck
50.
and
I
remember
saying.
D
C
C
Equivalent
to
their
weight
in
the
in
the
gold
excuse
me
in
their
cars,
so
a
prius
is
putting
wear
and
tear
on
the
roads.
That's
not
paying
their
fair
share
of
motor
fuel
tax
versus
what
they're
paying,
and
you
know
we
cut
out
the
national
league
of
cities
when
we
were
out
there
in
march.
This
was
a
hot
topic
about
how
the
feds
are
looking
to
increase
the
motor
fuel
tax,
22
cents
and
then
tie
it
to
inflation,
so
it
would
go
up.
C
Every
year
the
city
of
illinois
has
had
conversations
about
raising
the
motor
fuel
tax
to
pay
for
for
the
roads,
because
this
is
a
problem
unique
to
bloomington.
So
this
has
made
me
very
leery
all
from
the
get-go
and
I've
said
that
very
very
much
publicly.
C
Said
I've
talked
to
a
lot
of
people
in
ward
7
when
we
had
our
town
hall
meeting
I've
taken
just
a
high
number
of
phone
calls
from
people,
and
at
this
point
the
conversation
is
shifted
to
what
are
you
going
to
do
about
our
streets
and
how
you're
going
to
pay
for
it?
And
this
is
one
idea
that
we
can
do
to
go
directly
to
streets,
create
that
line
of
sight.
C
My
support
of
this
is
very
hesitant
and
the
minutes
that
the
feds
come
through
and
perhaps
pass
all
congress
isn't
known
for
passing
anything.
Nor
is
this
a
springfield,
a
motor
fuel
tax
increase
and
the
drastic
level
that
they've
been
talking
about.
I
will
immediately
put
forward
a
resolution
to
end
a
motor
fuel
tax
like
this,
because
we
can't
that's
too
much
and
it's
not
funding
what
we
needed
to
fund
there's
a
quality.
D
C
Are
expecting
of
us
and
it
does
cost
money
and
people
want
our
streets
to
be
funded
appropriately.
Things
cost
more.
Cars
are
having
more
wear
and
tear.
We
have
to
be
cognizant
of
that.
So
you
know
my
support,
for
this
is
incredibly
hesitant
and
you
know
we'll
keep
an
eye
on
the
feds
and
springfield
to
see
what
they're
going
to
be
up
to
all
the
woman
painter.
H
H
Interestingly,
the
gas
prices
seem
to
go
down
every
monday
night
in
bloomington.
I
wonder
why
same
reason
that
they
might
go
up
before
easter
vacation,
there's
a
lot
of
play
in
gas
prices
and
we've
been
paying
for
this
tax
all
along
without
getting
the
benefit
of
the
revenue
stream.
H
C
Okay,
at
this
point,
we'll
go
ahead
and
I
vote
is
in
favor
of
the
text,
amendment
and
alderman
sage.
Can
you
hear
us
do
we
still
have
you?
Yes,
I'm
here
mayor
okay,
and
I
do
I
wonder
if
you
could
tell
us
how
you
vote
then.
C
C
Okay,
now
we
will
move
on
then
to
excuse
me.
Let
me
clear
the
results
item
eight.
Now
these
I
think
there
there
are
three
components,
but
this
is
a
singular
text,
amendment
which
is
the
public
utility
tax
which
would
be
earmarked
for
police
and
fire
pensions.
C
It
would
go
from
the
current
rate
of
2.5
to
3.75
it's
one
and
a
quarter
percent.
It
is
the
the
town
of
normal
is
approximately
five
depending
on
the
fund.
Again,
as
we've
known
before,
virtually
every
city
within
about
120
miles
of
us.
That's
our
size
is
at
five
percent,
partly
because
communities
have
tried
to
avoid
the
property
tax
increase
anyway.
These
I
will
take
the
the
three
times
and
add
them.
I
don't
know
that
we
will
need
that,
but
if
we
do,
we
will
take
it.
That
would
be
25
35.
C
So
I
don't
know
that
we're
going
to
need
45
minutes
to
discover
to
discuss
this.
This
is
I'm
pretty
sure
it's
a
typo,
because
it's
not
something
that
I
recall
the
city
manager
or
I
thinking
that
we
needed
the
this
these
number
of
pieces.
But
at
this
point
we
will
continue
our
discussion
and
wonder
if
I
could
see
who
would
like
to
speak
to
this.
Let's
see,
I
think,
actually,
mr
boyle,
you
want
to
speak
to
this.
I'm
sure,
then,
if
you
want
to
speak
to
it,
it
must
be
procedural.
B
That's
correct,
it
is,
if
you
wish
to
discuss
them
as
one
item.
Eight
is
fine,
but
they
are
separate
in
terms
of
their
being
text.
Amendments.
C
I
was,
I
was
told-
actually
I
was-
I
did
clear
it
earlier
today
that
these
are
all
voted
as
a
group
that
was,
that
was
the
the
tech
we
can.
Maybe
that
was
the
legal
advice
I
got
as
of
about
an
hour
and
a
half
ago
that
these
can
be
considered
and
should
be
considered
as
a
group,
even
though
they
are
listed
separately.
B
D
Not
to
follow,
but
I
would
say
that
that
was
the
understanding
that
there
was
a
full
consensus
of
department
at
that
time.
C
And
okay,
you.
D
C
Okay,
well,
we
have
conflicting
legal
advice.
Then,
at
this
point,
I'm
not
quite
sure
which,
if
we
have
the
counter,
I
would
entertain
either
motion
either
one
to
begin
the
first
or
one
to
deal
with
them.
As
a
group,
alderman's
ruin.
D
C
C
Okay,
there's
not
a
motion
to
consider
them
as
a
group,
so
I
think
as
default,
then
we
move
on
to
consider
them
as
individuals.
The
first
would
be
item
8a
proposed
gas,
water,
telecommunications
and
is
there
a
motion
to
to
begin
discussion
motion
to
approve.
C
No
motion
for
the
item:
eight,
a
okay.
Then
the
motion
fails
for
lack
of
a
second
item.
Eight
b
proposed
electric
utility
tax.
Is
there
a
motion
to
approve
that
item
eight
b.
C
Okay
I'll
make
that
motion.
Oh
okay,
all
right!
Well,
then,
we,
but
you
have
to
have
a
second
item.
Eight
b,
a
proposed
electric
utility
tax
for
the
texting
them.
Is
there
a
second
right?
Second,
to
put
it
on
the
floor?
Okay,
second,
for
by
alderman
fizzini
discussion.
C
Start
with
alderman
fruin
and
then
schmidt,
stearns
and
lauer
go
ahead.
Jim.
Thank
you,
mayor,
I'll,
try
to
be
clear.
We've
got
a
lot
of
moving
parts
tonight
and
we've
already
gotten
through
most
of
them.
D
B
C
Thank
you,
and
just
also
to
clarify
for
everyone
in
the
audience
and
others
that
this
is
any
of
the
utility
taxes
would
be
earmarked
for
our
police,
fire
pensions
and
all
the
woman
schmidt.
H
Thank
you.
I
have
also
long
been
an
opponent
of
this.
I
think
the
utility
tax
is
about
as
regressive
attacks
as
we
can
possible,
and
I
think
it
was
mr
meeks
this
evening
and
possibly
even
earlier
has
talked
to
us
a
little
bit
about
when
this
tax
actually
kicks
in.
Have
we
missed
a
deadline,
and
I've
heard
from
many
people
about
the
concept
that
we
might
consider
increasing
property
tax
as
a
far
less
regressive
tax
and
more
typically
tied
to
pensions.
So
I
would
appreciate
getting
some
clarification
on
those
two
issues.
Well,.
C
The
first
one,
the
legal
counsel,
there
is
no,
there
are
no
legal
problems
that
I
mean
that
that
obstacle
is
not
there,
but
the
others.
What
was
the
second.
H
The
second
question
has
to
do
with
I
understand
we
talked
to
them
at
our
last
meeting
about
property
taxes
and
the
fact
that
we
missed
that
opportunity
to
have
that
conversation
for
our
our
last.
I
mean
we've
missed
the
calendar
for
that,
and
we
could
not
have
a
conversation
about
that
until
december,
I
believe
was
the
date.
I
remember,
and
I
I'm
I
guess,
I'm
wondering
about
knowing
that
we
just
had
a
conversation
about
how
we
never
sunset
taxes.
H
If
we
pass
this
tax
and
then
we
have
an
opportunity
to
actually
have
a
less
regressive
tax
that
is
tied
to
our
pensions,
then
is
there
value
in
addressing
our
pension
promise
in
that
way,.
E
Thank
you
no
question
about.
H
How
regressive
this
is,
and
it
will
make
people
have
to
decide
between
food.
I
mean
none
of
us
even
here.
Even
in
the
us
can
probably
even
imagine
this,
but
I
promise
you
there
are
people
in
bloomington
are
struggling
to
the
point
where
they
must
decide:
food
medicine.
You
know
rent
what
and
th.
This
is
just
unbelievably
regressive
and
will
punish
those
people.
Furthermore,
it
will
also
punish
businesses.
Every
business
is
a
consumer
of
utilities
and
they
this
is
just
another
nail
in
the
you
know
the
cross,
so
to
speak.
H
It
really
is,
and
I
want
to
thank
alderman
lauer
for
bringing
this
moody's
outlook
from
april
2014..
They
have
lowered
bloomington's
economic
outlook.
That's
moody!
That's
not
me!
That's
not
my
opinion.
H
Working
poor,
the
struggling
single
moms,
the
elderly,
on
fixed
incomes,
more
than
any
other
segment-
and
this
is
just
another
penalty
and
burden
that
is-
is
we
we
should
not,
in
my
opinion,
be
doing
it
all
because
and
again
one
more
thing-
and
I
know
I'm
always
running
into
my
time
because
we
have
not
cut
you
know
things
like
city
administration
or
even
council
traveling
and
buying
food
and
staying
and
airline.
We
haven't
even
looked
at
that,
we
haven't
looked
at
things
that
are
just
unacceptable
and
the
flamingos
at
the
zoo.
H
We
all
love
the
zoo.
You
know
the
golf
cart
on
and
on
the
communications
director,
what
to
communicate
that
we're
now
going
considering
bankrupt
and
we're
going
to
communicate.
We
need
to
take
care
of
the
house
and
we're
not
doing
it,
and
this
is
not
the
way
it
is
not
the
way,
but
there
are
ways
and
we
came
up
with
five
million
in
cuts
that
are
just
basically,
you
know
not
even
not
even
a
consideration,
so
this
kind
of
it's
difficult
when
we're
doing
this
on
the
backs
of
the
least
among
us.
Thank
you.
D
Well,
ditto,
all
of
insurance.
Thank
you
judy,
and
I
certainly
support
everything
that
she
said
there.
If
you
want
mayor
and
others
to
tie
a
revenue
stream.
D
In
the
future,
if
we
don't
continue
to
fund
them
appropriately
to
the
property
taxes
that
we
already
pay,
if
we're
raising
taxes,
we're
not
paying
for
additional
pension
funding
here,
folks
we're
paying
for
all
these
additional
premium
things
that
we
really
don't
need-
and
these
are
unnecessary
programs
they're,
not
fundamental.
C
C
At
the
same
time,
I
I
also,
I
know
we,
we
kind
of
made
a
pledge
last
year
to
fund
our
pensions
when
we
voted
in
the
ordinance.
So
I
guess
what
I'm
I'm
wondering
if
this
were
not
to
pass
at
this
time,
what
would
be
our
options?
C
C
Earlier
the
budget
as
it
was
presented,
that's
on
the
agenda
would
not
dip
into
savings
and
would
actually
have
enough
to
mostly
get
us
to
even
pay
the
amount
that
we
had
an
overage
costs
in
this
test
minute.
So
we'll
be
dipping
into
savings,
and
so
that's
the
bottom
line.
G
Just
a
quick
comment
that
I
don't
want
to
be
misunderstood:
that
I'm
not
for.
C
Okay,
anything
else
we're
going
to
go
ahead.
Then
the
motion
is
on
the
floor.
To
text
amendment
8
excuse
me
item
8b.
We
should
propose
electric
utility
tax
that
would
go
from
two
and
a
half
to
three
point:
seven,
five
percent-
and
this
would
be
earmarked
for
police
fire
pensions.
Would
everybody
please
go
ahead
and
vote
and
alderman
sage?
Are
you
with
us?
C
Yes,
I
am
okay
and
again
we're
voting
on
item
eight
b,
which
is
a
the
proposed
electric
utility
tax
that
would
go
from
2.5
to
3.75
percent
you're
marked
for
pensions.
How
do
you
vote
on
that?
C
Correct,
okay,
all
right:
the
motion
fails
four
to
five
or
five
nays
four
eyes.
Madam
kirk,
would
you
announce
the
nays.
C
C
I
C
Item
eight,
a
and
c
okay-
and
I
don't
know
if
that's
if
people
anybody
was
waiting
for
item
eight,
a
and
c
that's
the
telecommunications
and
water.
Is
there
a
motion
to
approve
items
8
a
and
c
okay
seeing
none?
Then
we
move
right
along
to
our
vote
on
the
final
budget,
adoption
of
the
fiscal
year,
2015
budget
and
appropriation
ordinance
as
presented
and
amended.
So
none
of
the
utility
tax
earmarked
for
public
safety
pensions
passed.
C
A
C
You
want
to
give
us
exact
numbers:
okay,
okay,
I
wonder
if,
if
I
I'm
gonna
need
a
motion
to
recess
correct
15
minutes,
sound
reasonable
20
minutes,
15.
C
7
15.
is
there
a
motion
I'll
make
a
motion
for
a
15
minute
recess,
move
by
alderman
black?
Is
there
a
second
second
by
alderwoman
stearns,
and
can
we
do
this
by
a
voice
vote
all
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye.
A
D
C
F
C
C
Thank
you
very
much.
We
again
I
apologize
for
the
delay
here,
but
we
did
want
to
get
some
updates
on
what
this
would
mean
in
terms
of
the
pieces
that
were
passed,
because
we
will
certainly
have
to
dip
into
our
savings,
and
so
I
want
patti
lynn
if
you
would
come
forward
and
just
clarify
what
this
would
be.
I
Okay,
with
the
things
that
were
adopted
and
not
we'd,
be
we're
utilizing.
We
need
to
adopt
a
budget
with
less
revenue,
the
general
fund
budget,
with
less
revenue
than
we
have
in
expenditures
and
we'll
be
utilizing
1.2
million
dollars
in
fund
balance.
Your
exhibit
a
would
change.
I
don't
know
if
we
did
emotions
before
we
talked
about
the
storage,
but
the
numbers
on
your
exhibit.
A
now
would
change.
I
I
don't
know
I
could
just
shut
them
out
or
but
for
the
exhibit
attached
to
the
budget
ordinance.
Your
revenues
would
now
be
90
million,
028
309
and
the
expenditures
would
be
91.244899
as
as
they
were
delivered
to
you
and
then
the
bottom
line
for
expenditures
at
the
very
bottom
would
be
159.793027.
C
Okay,
yeah,
can
you
say
dave,
can
you
hear
us
dave
or
is
it?
Is
it
a
little
faint
there.
I
Yes,
this,
so
the
the
revenue
would
now
be
on
the
general
fund.
Just
to
repeat,
would
now
be
nine
zero,
zero.
Two
eight
three,
oh
nine
and
your
expenditures
are
nine
one,
two,
four,
four,
eight
nine
nine,
a
difference
of
1.2
million
dollars
which
we'll
be
taking
out
of
the
rainy
day
fund,
and
then
that
would
change
the
bottom
line
of
all
the
funds
to
169
on
the
revenue
side,
169-793-027.
C
Okay,
I
actually
have
a
procedural
question
of
mr
boyle
on
this.
We
have
adopted
the
pieces
to
the
ordinance,
and
now
we
need
to
adopt
the
budget
as
a
budget
ordinance
pursuant
to
that
correct
and
that
budget,
if
I
were
to
veto
the
budget
and
we
bring
it
back
at
a
special
meeting
on
friday,
which
is
one
of
our
options.
We've
talked
about
this
with
legal
counsel
and
the
city
manager
in
the
interim.
B
Less
specified
in
your
veto,
the
ordinances
would
stand
okay
or
unless
well,
I
suppose,
unless
you've
contradicted
it
by
something
you
you're
gonna,
have
to
specify
your
veto.
Okay,
in
no
fewer
than
five
days,
specify
the
nature
of.
H
C
C
Okay
alrighty.
Thank
you.
Now
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
move
toward
the
discussion
of
the
budget
and
I'm
going
to
let
all
the
women
excuse
me.
Alderman
lauer
start.
C
At
this
point,
I
wanted
to
find
out
what
the
story
was.
What
was
the
bottom
line,
what
the
procedures
would
be,
and
so
everybody
would
hear
what
that
was.
If
you
wanted
to
make
a
motion
to
table,
you
would
it'd
be
difficult
to
make
a
motion
to
a
time
certain,
if
we're
not
sure
that
that's
necessarily
going
to
have
to
happen.
C
C
Let's
see
at
this
point
we're
moving
on
we're
discussing
the
the
budget
ordinance
itself,
I'm
just
looking
at
the
the
numbers,
my
it
is
on
number
nine
adoption
of
the
fiscal
year,
2015
budget
and
who'd
like
to
speak
on
that
we've
got
again
approximately
15
minutes,
but
we
will
move
on
first
of
all,
mr
boyle,
you
want
to
speak
procedurally.
G
C
Okay,
move
by
alderman
fizzini.
Is
there
a
second
second,
a
second
by
alderman,
miller,
wombway,
okay,
and
I
wonder
if
I
can
find
out
who
would
like
to
speak
to
the
budget
itself:
okay,
older
woman,
schmidt
and
then
schmidt,
black
and
fazzini,
ann
stearns,
schmidt,
black
fazzini
and
stearns.
Thank
you.
C
H
What
this
process
is,
I
I
have
to
say
I
have
never
been
through
a
budget
process
that
feels
so
fractured,
and
so
I'm
I'm
really
struggling
with
this.
C
Mayor,
if
we
adopt
this
budget.
H
C
C
Close
that
at
first,
of
course,
it's
hypothetical,
because
the
budget
hasn't
passed
right
and
I'm
also
working
through
it
too.
I've
actually
been
through
many
budget
cycles.
I've
never
been
through
one
quite
like
this
either.
So
essentially,
my
concern
is:
is
this
a
budget
that
I
can
in
good
conscience
pass
when
we
passed
above
a
a
public
safety
pension
for
our
police
and
firefighters
policy?
That
was
bold
and
we
didn't
step
up
to
the
plate
to
say
how
we
pa
pay
for
it.
C
We
said
some
version
of
this
during
our
debate
that
we
do
that
during
the
budget
process,
well
we're
months
and
months
and
months
into
the
budget
process
and
we're
at
the
11th
hour,
and
we
haven't
done
it.
The
other
thing
is
we
get
through
it
by
taking
from
our
savings
accounts
now,
rather
than
stepping
up
to
the
plate
and
making
tough
decisions,
and
so
that's
those
are
the
concerns
that
I
would
have,
and
I
those
are
my
concerns,
we'll
see
whether
the
budget
passes
and
that's
otherwise.
It's
new,
yes,
ultimate
blind.
C
D
We
failed
to
pass
the
the
two
taxes
correct
that
okay,
so
I
see
some
nodding,
but
that
does
not
include
the
overtime
costs
that
we
have
for
the
winter.
Is
that
something
that's
separate.
C
I
What
happens
towards
the
end
of
the
year?
Every
year
we
look
and
review
the
budget
for
budget
transfers
in
the
current
year
right
now,
you're
adopting
next
year's
budget
in
the
current
year,
because
of
the
tremendous
winter
that
we've
had
and
some
other
overages
we've
been
bringing
forward
some
budget
transfers
to
the
council.
I
That
was
scheduled
for
the
28th,
the
snow
and
ice
budget,
650
000
over
budget
and
some
of
some
of
our
other
legal
as
we've
had
changes.
There,
we've
had
some
emergency
repairs
at
the
coliseum,
as
you
know,
so
those
things
because
of
our
shrinking
revenue.
As
we
know,
the
sales
tax
isn't
coming
in
a
lot
of
times.
We
can
ride
through
a
lot
of
those
overages,
but
this
year,
not
so
much,
and
so,
as
we
begin
to
bring
that
forward
to.
C
So
then,
I
guess,
procedurally
speaking,
that
we
vote
on
this.
It
fails
then
we're
talking
about
another
meeting
before
monday.
We
would
yeah
the
the
meeting
that
I've
talked
about
with
the
city
manager,
interim
city
manager,
legal
council
would
be
5
30
immediately
after
the
mayoral
open
house
on
friday,
and
we
have
monday
is
our
last
meeting.
Monday's
meeting
would
be
packed
if
we
want
to
have
any
kind
of
discussion
whatsoever.
C
C
Yeah,
okay,
but
but
still
we
haven't
addressed
our
our
structural
problem,
which
is
what
we've
been
kind
of
talking
about
the
beginning,
and
if
we
were
to
go
ahead
and
support
the
budget
as
presented
right
now
or.
D
The
amended
presentation
we
still
would
have
to
come.
C
Back
and
come
up
with
significantly
more
cuts
or
more
tax
increases.
So
right-
and
I
think,
if
I'm
just
to
clarify
that,
because
paddy
lynn
said
if
we
don't
make
progress,
we'll
have
massive
layoffs
for
next
year
and
that's
unfortunate
but
pendulum
just
to
clarify.
C
If
we
don't,
if
we
didn't
pass
the
utility
taxes
we'll
debate
it
in
just
a
second
it's,
I
don't
think
it's
fair,
also
to
open
meetings
act
for
us
to
have
the
chariot
chattering.
Unless
we're
doing
in
public,
we
would
have
if
we
don't
pass
the
public
utility
tag,
any
portion
of
it
as
was
presented,
then
we're
going
to
have
to
dip
into
fund
balance
by
1.7
million
approximately
in
the
coming
year,
correct
if
nothing
changes,
1.2
1.1
no,
but
but
the
the
total
amount.
I
The
amount
that
you
would
bring
in.
C
I
C
All
right
that
answers
my
questions,
thank
you.
Okay
and
then
we
go
to
alderman
fazzini
and
then
stearns
and
miller
won
away.
C
We
appear
to
be
a
council
that,
for
the
last
20
plus
years,
has
not
really
presented.
C
C
C
C
And
we're
not
getting
our
streets
fixed
like
we
need
to
so
don't
delude:
let's
not
dilute
ourselves
into
thinking
that
we're
going
to
solve
this
and
have
a
balanced
budget
even
after
we
present
what
we
say
is
a
balanced
budget.
It
is
not
see
all
the
woman
stearns
in
the
middle
of
one
way
and
now
lower.
H
Thank
you.
It's
inconceivable
to
me
that
we
have
to
talk
about
taking
the
1.2
million
out
of
our
savings
and
on
friday
I
I
will
be
out
of
the
country,
so
I
don't
know
how
many
people
can
be
here
on
friday,
but
it
won't
be
me.
I
want
to
agree
with
alderwoman
schmidt,
about
the
fractured
process
here
and
I
will
also
say
to
me
an
incredible
rush
here
to
make
this
decision.
H
I
I
would
like
to
present
to
the
city
manager
the
mayor
another
list
from
my
already
five
million
list
of
cuts
that
I
I
really
think
the
citizens
of
bloomington
would
be
behind
and
they
would
certainly
total
1.2
million.
They
would
total
more
than
that.
I
mean
I
don't
think
it
would
cut
a
single
essential
service
in
the
city
and
and
the
concept
of
laying
off
to
me
is
almost
almost
funny,
because
I
see
absolutely
no
need
to
do
that-
maybe
not
hiring
some.
H
You
know
communications
people
and
pr
people
and
resume
building
people.
No,
I
I
I
see
that,
but
but
these
are
not
people
here
in
the
city
and
especially
not
our
workers
that
I
value,
probably
as
highly
more
than
than
anyone
here
and
and
have
proven
it.
So
I
I
see
no
need
to
dip
into
savings.
I
see
no
need
to
rush.
H
H
H
H
C
Okay,
just
to
clarify
this
isn't
a
rush.
I
would
disagree.
We've
been
at
it
for
nine
months.
It's
because
we
haven't
made
the
tough
decisions
in
the
past.
We
really
only
have
had
proposals
on
the
table
for
a
few
weeks
from
alderman
and
we've
been
at
it
for
nine
months
actually
longer
than
that,
but
I've
been
at
it.
Most
of
us
have
been
engaged,
I'm
sure
patty,
lynn
and
others
have
been
at
it
for
more
than
that.
Okay.
C
So,
in
the
order
that
we
have,
let's
see,
I
have
different
lists
here:
alderman
miller,
wombly
and
then
lauer.
C
D
About
how
many
years
it's
taken
us
to
get
to
this
point,
so
I
I
do
agree
with
that.
It
didn't.
C
Happen
overnight,
so
I
don't
know
if
we
should
expect
to
solve
it
so
quickly.
You
know
in
in
one
month,
or
you
know
one
year,
so
it's
probably
going
to
take
a
multi-year
approach.
You
know
with
that.
C
I
I
do
think
we've
heard
clearly
in
the
city
of
77
78
000
people
that
there
are
people
on
all
sides,
some
things
that
people
want
and
others
that
don't
want
certain
things
about.
You
know
I'll,
take
the
example
of
flamingos.
You
know
who
seem
to
be
picked
on
quite
a
bit.
C
I
I
actually
think
I
know
the
zoological
society
is
pretty
active
in
terms
of
their
fundraising,
so
I
I
do
think
you
know
at
some
point.
You
know
we.
We've
talked
about
public
private
partnership,
so
we
we
have
to
put
our
money
where
our
mouth
is
and
not
discourage.
Groups
like
that
who
are
have
been
traditionally
very
strong
in
terms
of
their
fundraising.
So
I
think
we
do
need
to
to
support
that.
C
We
have
to
be
careful
with
our
quality
of
life
venues
and
and
how
much
we
spend
on
those
in
terms
of
public
subsidies,
and
I
think
you
know
to
me
this
this
process,
although
it
has
been
difficult,
I
think,
has
it
helps
us
to
kind
of
realign
some
of
our
priorities.
C
Take
a
a
stronger
or
a
closer
look
at
some
of
the
things
that
we
we
might
not
need.
There's
always
debate
about
that.
You
know
the
communications
position.
I
I
happen
to
disagree,
but
that's
what
we
can
do
amongst
friends
right,
but
I
do
disagree.
I
think
it's
very
important.
You
cannot
have
an
organization
that
has
a
budget
of
close
to
200
million
dollars
without
somebody
to
communicate
about
programs
and
services.
To
me,
that's
just
that's
very
critical.
C
Yes,
in
terms
of
infrastructure,
I
I
did
mention
my
support.
C
Great
there's
just
not
enough
money
to
be
able
to
do
that,
and
I
know
scott
has
said
that
eloquently
is
that
you,
you
have
a
number
of
people
who
are
using
cars
that
are
more
fuel
efficient,
but
yet
are
putting
more
wear
and
tear
on
our
roads,
and
our
city
has
grown
quite
a
bit.
I
think
the
fire
chief
can
can.
H
Attest
to
that
having
to
extend
some
of
our
services
so
far,
always
so.
C
C
D
I
think
we
can
solve
this
very
quickly
and
very
easily.
Actually,
we
need
to
look
at
cuts
like
I
said
before.
I
don't
think
we
did
our
due
diligence
and
looking
at
each
one
of
these
items
individually.
I
think
there
probably
would
have
been
some
support
from
other
members
to
look
more
closely
at
these
cuts.
Maybe
take
a
few
of
them
out
if
we
looked
at
them
individually.
I'm
quite.
C
Sure
we
can
find
the
adequate
amount
of
money
thanks:
okay,
ultimate
fruit,.
D
Based
on
our
individual
voting
that
there
is
support
for
this
amended
exhibit,
and
I
also
hear
some
continuing
dialogue
that
we
need
beyond
that
official.
G
C
I
vote
is
to
support
the
budget
as
presented.
Alderman
sage.
Are
you
with
us?
Yes,
I
am
okay
and
the
vote.
A
C
Okay,
the
motion
passes
six
to
three.
Madam
clerk,
would
you
announce
the
nays.
C
I
did
not
hear
the
nays
mayor,
they
were
alderman
stearns,
lower
and
black
were
the
nays.
Thank
you
motion
does
pass
six
to
three
okay,
now
again,
we've
had
this
has
been
a
fairly
long,
difficult
budget
process.
We've
all
got
very
different
perspectives
on
what
should
be
cut
or
not
cut,
and
what
positions
we
value.
C
What
programs
we
value
and
we
also
have
a
budget
that
I
think,
is
very
unfortunate.
It's
about
it's,
not
just
the
1.2
million,
it's
about
another
half
million
that
we
do
not
have
that
we're
going
to
have
to
dip
into
our
reserves.
There
is
nothing
earmarked
for
pensions,
and
I
know
it's
a
continuing
process.
A
C
We
we've
been
at
this
a
while.
It's
certainly
nothing
that,
as
I
think
ultimately
said,
we're
not
solving
it
quickly
and
there's
no
question
we're
not
solving
it
quickly,
but
this
budget
does
very
little
to
get
us
there.
It
means
that
we've
got
a
herculean
effort
next
year
and
frankly,
when
a
lot
of
people
are
going
to
be
up
for
re-election,
I
doubt
that
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
more
political
will
to
make
some
of
the
tougher
choices
and
alderman
older
woman,
stearns
and
and
alderman
lauer.
C
You
know
I
I
do
agree
that
there's
certainly
some
things
that
we
can
cut.
I
just
wish
it
was
as
easy.
I
think
we're
finding
it's
not
quite
so
easy
if
we
want
to
keep
public
safety
if
that's
off
the
table,
if
public
public
works
is
off
the
table,
if
all
many
of
these
things
are
in
a
sense
off
the
table,
we
want
to
keep
our
quality
of
life.
There's
not
that
much
left
I've
seen
your
cuts
duties.
Some
are
good,
but
some
are
just
not
feasible.
You,
we
have
a
central
administration.
C
Let's
make
that
clear.
We
have
five
positions
in
central
administration.
If
we
were
in
a
small
town
that
was
the
size
of
our
wards,
you
would
have
four.
The
person
called
a
city
manager,
an
assistant
somebody
who
is
a
someone
who
is
a
receptionist
who
greets
people,
answers
the
phone
and
an
administrative
assistant
to
run
errands.
We
have
one
more
than
those
four
and
we're
a
city
of
nearly
80,
000
and
growing,
and
I
would
say
what
175
million
a
year
human
operation,
so
business
or
government
has
fewer
than
that
central
administrators.
C
So
I
think
that's
it
it
isn't
there.
I
wish
it
were
nobody
like
central
administrators.
I
mean
in
concept
we
like
making
some
of
ours,
but
we
don't
like
them.
I've
never
heard
of
anybody
running
for
political
office
who
says
you
know,
hey,
I'm
for
central
administrators
right,
there's
not
much
there.
I
wish
this
budget
would
make
some
progress.
It's
not,
though,
that
it
just
doesn't
make
much
progress.
C
C
We
are
here
a
few
days
out
and
we
haven't
done
it
yet
and
we're
borrowing
money,
we're
not
borrowing.
Excuse
me.
We
are
dipping
into
savings
in
order
to
get
us
through
this
year
and
pay
the
overage
from
last
year.
I
can't
sign
this
budget,
so
we'll
put
it
in
writing
I'll
talk
to
the
legal
counsel,
mr
jurgens
and
mr
boyle
and
others,
and
we
will
be
back
friday
at
5
30..
C
If
you
can't
make
it,
you
can't
make
it
but
we're
here
we're
at
the
tail
end,
it's
like
when
I,
if
I
have
students,
who've,
been
studying
all
night
and
they
say:
oh
my
gosh,
you
know
I'm
not
feeling
it
well.
Okay,
we
shouldn't
have
put
it
off.
We've
got
tough
decisions.
I
didn't
run
for
mayor
to
avoid
the
tough
decisions
and
I'm
not
about
to
start
now.
I
can't
sign
this
budget,
I'm
sorry.
So
this
is
my
notification.
This
is
a
veto.
It's
never
been
used
in
the
city's
history.
C
It's
used
now
so,
hopefully
we
can
come
back
to
the
table
and
if
the
council
wants
to
pass
it
over
my
veto,
they
can
but
I'm
not
signing
it
at
this
point,
can
I
have
a
motion
to
adjourn.
Oh.
B
C
Would
certainly
call
in
if
you're
out
on
business,
according
to
illinois
law
right,
you
can
come
in.
We
will
start
immediately
after
open
house
at
5
30
and
we
will
have
on
our
agenda
these
items
or
anything
else.
If
you
want
proposed
cuts,
we
can
come
back
and
we'll
put
I'm
certainly
open
to
how
you
want
to
structure
this,
but
I
would
like
us
to
try
to
structure
it
so
that
we
are
as
productive
as
possible.
C
D
Is
that
if
we
have
less
than
less
than
nine
people
here,.
C
I
think
it
takes
two
thirds
of
the
quorum
or
two
thirds
of
those
present,
mr
boyle
two-thirds
of
those
holding
office,
so
it
does
require
six
votes
to
override.
Okay,
I'm
sorry
we
cannot.
I
I
appreciate
that
you
wanna
weigh
in
mr
brandt,
but
I'm
sure
we
we
can't
do
that
at
this
point.
All
the
women's
turns
the
question
coming.
H
C
H
My
comment
is
just
is
just
I
appreciate
everything
you're
saying
about
central
administration.
H
H
I
made
the
point
about
you
know
another
assistant,
police
chief,
which
again
administration
and
yet
we're
down
a
cyber
crimes.
Detective.
So
administration
goes
a
lot
further
than
just
our
central
administration
here,
but
the
budget
there
has
doubled,
and
that
is
what
I'm
talking
about.
So
maybe
you
know
I
mean-
and
I
do
think
with
all
respect-
we're
paying
our
city
manager
as
much
as
the
governor
of
the
state
of
illinois,
which
is
fine.
I
mean,
I
guess
you
know
we
have
to
because
everybody
else
does.
I
guess
we're.
H
In
any
way,
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
about
the
mystery.
It
goes
all
through
the
city
and
I'm
for
the
guys
on
the
street
doing
the
job,
I'm
sorry,
but
to
me
it
just
makes
sense.
Thank
you.
Yeah.
C
Just
just
as
a
clarification,
our
city
manager,
for
a
city,
our
size
is
actually
not
overpaid.
It's
virtually
the
same.
I
mean
that
doesn't
mean
we
have
to
pay
him
right,
but
it's
just
if
you
just
want
to
look
at
the
empirical
evidence,
we're
at
the
level
of
normal
and
normals
is
about
the
same.
But
anyway,
at
this
point
one
last
point-
and
this
is,
I
beg
everyone's
indulgence,
mr
jim
karts-
you
are
old
as
dirt
you're
40,
please
come
forward.
We
have
something
for
you.
C
C
No,
no
no
budget
cuts
man
that
that's
definitely
a
frill
and
you're,
not
getting
a
cake
from
us
anyway.
Is
there
a
motion
to
adjourn
yes,
move
by
alderman
fazzini,
second,
by
alderman,
black,
all
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye
opposed
motion
carried.
Thank
you.