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A
A
B
Burrell
here
sandberg
here
and
throckmorton
here
great,
we
have
tonight
three
sets
of.
A
A
Morrell,
yes,
sandberg;
yes,
rockmorton,
yes,
clapper,
yes,
okay,
we've
already
approved
the
november.
A
A
vote
sandberg
yes,
rock
morton,
yes,
clapper,
yes,
morel,
yes,
okay
and
we
were
not
in
session
in.
A
April
so
may
20th
2021
is
the
last
set
of
meeting
notes
to
approve
move
approval
of
those
minutes.
A
Okay,
we
do
have
a
resolution
this
evening
under
reports,
resolutions
and
communications.
D
Thank
you.
Everybody
michael
rooker
city
attorney
for
the
city
of
bloomington,
all
of
the
city's.
D
D
D
D
To
get
used
to
having
in-person
meetings
again
starting
in
july,
but
there
is
a
new
provision
that.
D
D
D
D
Of
zoning
appeals
remotely,
so
you
have
to
attend
at
least
half
in
person.
Those
are
sort
of.
D
The
basic
limitations
here
you
know
the
policy
also
contains
a
provision
that
says
if
any
member.
D
A
A
A
Be
a
zoom
component,
I
think
there's
been
yeah,
so
it
does
legally.
So
there's
been
some
confusion.
D
Let
the
public
know
as
soon
as
possible
by
putting
that
up
on
the
website,
just
just
the
way
that.
D
We've
done
it
throughout
the
pandemic,
but
we
don't
have
to
worry
about
blowing
some
legal.
D
A
D
It
myself
as
well
to
a
certain
extent
it
has
been
working
on
that
and
and
council
chambers.
D
Is
particularly
well
set
up
for
both
both
in-person
and
remote
participation,
just
given.
D
D
From
the
diocese,
so
I
I
don't
expect
that
it
will
be
a
problem
at
all.
I
I
have
not
had.
D
C
Actually,
no,
I
think,
we're
all
kind
of
waiting
for
mr
deets
and
its
to
kind
of
work
through.
C
C
I'm
sure
we
can
yeah
and
I
I
think
at
the
very
beginning
of
work
from
home
and
pandemic.
We
did.
B
Event
that
it's
kind
of
not
all
buttoned
up
by
next
month,
there
is
already
a
process
for
it
to
be.
D
D
D
A
D
A
A
We
are
on
to
petitions.
There
is
one
petition
that
has
been
withdrawn,
that
was
v-06-21
david.
A
Kerber
two
petitions
continued
to
the
july
22nd
meeting
c:
u
slash
v
dash
19-20
robert
antarola
and.
A
Starbucks
coffee
company
staff
report
please
great
just
a
minute
and
share
my
screen:
okay,.
B
Okay,
so
this
petition
tonight,
as
ms
clapper
said,
is
v0821.
It
is
a
petition.
B
Request
by
starbucks
coffee
company,
the
request
is
located
on
south
liberty
drive.
B
In
from
that
intersection
at
the
southwest
part
of
the
city.
B
Area
is
employment
center,
which
does
allow
some
supportive
commercial,
and,
as
I
mentioned,
it's.
B
Retail
restaurant
financial
institution,
so
largely
commercial
in
this
area,.
B
Minute
on
the
parking
based
on
the
restaurant,
the
parking
allowance
for
our
used
restaurant
is.
B
For
this
building,
that
is
a
combined
total
of
about
1
150
square
feet
and
the
parking
allowance.
B
Is
11
spaces?
The
proposal
before
you
tonight
is
requesting
33
parking
spaces
and
nine
of
those.
B
The
far
right,
so
those
located
kind
of
on
the
way
out
of
the
of
the
facility.
So
even
if.
B
All
of
the
spaces
were
done
in
we're
done
with
concrete
or
normal
asphalt.
The
this
property.
B
Would
still
be
meeting
its
impervious
surface
coverage
requirement,
so
it
is
not
bumping.
B
Up
against
any
of
our
other
regulations,
some
that
are
some
that
are
dictated
by
the
pud
and
then.
B
Some
dictated
by
the
udo-
it
is
only
the
number
of
parking
spaces
that
they
have
an
issue
with.
B
B
Variants
will
not
be
affected
in
a
substantially
adverse
manner.
We
there
are
findings
in
your.
B
Packet
that
indicate
that
staff
thinks
that
they,
the
petition,
can
meet
both.
B
And
having
parking,
that's
not
over
the
impervious
surface.
Maximum
does
seem
to
meet
these.
B
It
is
that
the
strict
application
of
the
udo
will
result
in
practical,
difficult
difficulty
of.
B
The
use
of
the
property
and
that
those
practical
difficulties
are
peculiar
to
the
property
in.
B
Question
and
that
the
variants
can
offer
relief,
so
we
are
familiar
with
the
use
there.
Obviously.
B
Are
starbucks
that
we're
all
familiar
with
in
town
and
and
many
other
places
that
we
go.
B
Requested
that
they
indicate
through
car
counts
that
that,
because
of
the
situation.
B
Use
to
be
able
to
function
properly,
so
we've
done
that
with
other
restaurants.
We've
done
that.
B
Starbucks,
but
we
haven't
gotten
it
yet
we
do
think
you
know
that
there
are
characteristics
of.
B
This
site
that
that
it
will
be
likely
that
we
will
be
able
to
write
a
positive
finding
for.
B
The
for
number
three,
but
we
would
feel
more
comfortable
looking
at
numbers
for
comparable.
B
Starbuckses
to
be
able
to
say
that
they
have,
you
know
in
fact
demonstrated
that
there
are.
B
Practical
difficulties
here
in
order
to
be
able
to
operate
the
way
that
this
store
is
intended.
B
To
operate,
for
example,
you
know
there
is
no
street
parking,
there
aren't
really
shared
parking.
B
B
B
We
would
consider
kind
of
pop-in
traffic
than
maybe
we
would
even
have
seen
two
years
ago.
B
To
this
body,
if
we
had
actual
data
from
similarly
located,
starbucks
restaurants
indicating.
B
That,
yes,
they
cannot
really
operate
under
under
the
11
because
of
all
of
the
details,
I've.
B
Mentioned
so
for
that
reason
the
department
recommends
to
the
board
of
zoning
appeals.
B
B
And
let
the
petitioner
basically
have
the
opportunity
to
make
that
argument
to
you.
B
And
since
it
was
already
on
the
agenda
and
otherwise
will
ask
you
to
continue
it,
so
I.
B
E
E
Temko
with
kimberly
horn
associates
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
starbucks.
Do
you
swear
to
tell
the
truth.
A
E
A
lot
of
the
reasons
of
why
we're
asking
it
so
I
think
everybody
is
probably
pretty
familiar.
E
With
starbucks
in
general,
I
know
that
there's
at
least
one
in
the
bloomington
area
already.
E
I-69
coming
through,
where
it
is
now
so,
like
jackie
jackie
already
had
mentioned.
E
E
E
And
that's
for
a
couple
reasons:
one
a
lot
of
people
that
are
coming
to
starbucks
are
coming
as.
E
The
other
thing
is
that,
because
of
how
small,
the
interior
space
is
compared
to
the
amount.
E
Of
traffic
that's
coming
through
when
we
have
when
we
come
up
against
the
code
like
this.
E
E
Be
using
10
of
the
11
spaces
just
for
employees,
a
new
thing,
that's
becoming
more
popular
and.
E
E
E
Know
the
implementations
that
it
could
have
to
the
surrounding
area.
So
we
hear
that
and
we
think.
E
E
E
More
than
happy
to
discuss,
but
again
thank
you
for
your
time
and
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
A
C
C
C
It
will
be
wi-fi,
and,
and
for
people
to
come
in
and
do
work
in
inside
is
that
is
that
true,
yes,.
E
C
A
Okay
but
jackie,
I
just
have
a
general
question
about
parking
counts
for
restaurants,.
A
The
way,
the
way
it's
laid
out,
it's
the
number
of
parking
spots
per
square
feet.
B
The
code,
not
in
the
strict,
no,
so
it's
based
on
seating
area,
the
our
new
code
does
allow.
B
Some
leeway
for
the
director
to
to
allow
some
allow
some
greater
parking
and
I'm
just.
B
I'm
sorry
I'm
blanking
on
the
exact
term,
but
allow
allow
you
to
have
more
parking.
So
if
you
could.
B
B
B
Of
other
stores
to
show,
but
there
is
some
flexibility,
but
not
in
the
strict
table,
but
code.
B
Have
before
okay?
Okay,
any
if
there
are
no
other
questions
at
this
time,
we'll
go
to
the
public.
A
Is
there
anyone
from
the
public
who
would
like
to
speak
to
this
petition.
A
B
Speak
during
the
edition
or
time
yeah,
he
would
not
qualify
as
a
member
of
the
public.
F
A
Have
reserved
how
much
time
about
14
minutes,
I
believe
okay
check
here,
16
minutes.
Excuse
me.
G
But
from
the
point
of
view
that
that
they
need
parking,
I
think
it's
so
obvious.
It's
like.
G
The
elephant
in
the
room,
you
know
so
I'm
hoping
that
we
don't
continue
it
for
some
more.
G
F
The
code
states
it's
it's
just
the
traffic,
especially
in
the
morning
during
the
rush
hour.
F
F
A
C
Could
I
just
ask
a
clarifying
question
with
respect
to
a
study
who
was
to
do
that
study
was.
C
That
just
the
the
the
city,
where
were
we
going
to
look
at
other
starbucks
in
the
area.
B
B
Numbers
about,
I
think
they
did
three
days
in
a
week
and
provided
hourly
counts,
and
so
that
is
not.
B
B
B
B
B
They're
in
the
high
20s,
and
then
they
you
know
max
out
daily,
is
what
we've
seen
in
the
past.
C
C
C
C
Likely
to
park
and
go
in
and
take
advantage
of
the
inside,
so
I
I
tend
to
be
somewhat.
B
I
think
we
would
feel
more
comfortable
with
with
hard
numbers,
but
that
we
kind
of
want
to.
H
Do
you
want
comments
you
can
we
can
discuss
yeah
yeah
well,
I
just
had
a
couple
of
items
which
is.
H
I'm
not
really
inclined
to
to
grant
relief
on
this
three
times.
The
size
and
parking
is
a.
H
Is
a
huge
jump?
It
seems
to
me
that
there
are
also
some
other
issues
in
terms
of
public.
H
Safety
and
also
the
safety
of
those
that
use
the
facility-
you
know
all
you
got
to
do-
is
look.
H
To
the
south,
and
then
when
you
come
in,
if
they
have
a
backup
cars
aren't
going
to
be
able
to
use.
H
H
Leave
there's
just
not
there's
really
just
not
enough
space
there
and
it's
not
from
specifically.
H
The
design,
but
it's
going
to
be
how
people
use
it
they're
they're
not
going
to
to
be
cognizant
of.
H
I
understand
that
we
may
have
some
leeway,
but
you
know
if
it
was.
If
someone
was
coming
in
saying.
H
Can
we
have,
you
know
a
few
more
spaces
for
our
customers?
I
could
certainly
understand
that,
but.
H
To
try
to
jam
ten
employees
at
peak
hours
on
top
of
22
other
spaces,
three
of
which
they.
H
They
have
chosen
to
designate
as
pickup
with
a
curbside
pickup
that,
where
they
run
in.
H
And
get
it
mobile
pickup,
you
know:
that's
now
we're
just
playing
with
numbers
of
10
here.
H
Out
you
already
have
a
restaurant
to
the
north
and
then
a
bank
to
the
south.
That
intersect
is.
H
My
comment
on
on
looking
at
this
is
it's
going
to
be
kind
of
ugly
to
get
in
and
out
of
there
and.
H
H
30
33
spaces
and
the
amount
of
drive-through
traffic
you're
going
to
have
on
the
property.
A
So
joe,
are
you
asking
the
petitioner
for
some
more
information?
Is
this
this.
H
They
came
back
to
me
and
said:
here's
what
we
found
at
three
other
restaurants,
this
plan.
A
Well,
as
a
follow-up
to
your
some
of
your
thoughts
joe,
I
would
like
to
ask
the
petitioner
to.
A
A
Lot
so
that
you
have
to
have
the
the
the
order
you
know
the
lane
to
pick
the
lane.
You
have
to.
A
Go
through
it
essentially
in
order
to
to
go
to
the
window
to
place
an
order
sort
of,
I
know,
having.
A
E
So
what
I'd
say
for
starters
is
that
this
site
is
dramatically
different
from
the
bloomington.
E
Site,
that's
that's
there
currently
and
the
reason
that
we
have
things
set
up
the
way
we
do.
E
E
E
E
E
E
An
escape
route
to
keep
going
and
to
keep
the
flow
of
traffic
moving.
If
this
were
two-way,
it
would.
A
Thank
you
very.
Oh
sorry,
if
I
may
add,
and
actually.
B
Where
this
entry
drive
will
have
to
be
striped
to
designate
where
the
driveway
excuse
me.
B
B
Work
with
whoever
is
around
you,
but
to
kind
of
delineate
that
space
more
so
than
in
this
existing.
B
That
will
have
to
be
on
site
painted
in
some
way
so
that
it's
clearer
sooner
when
you
get
on.
B
H
H
B
Mr
timka
would
have
to
speak
to
that,
but
I
don't
believe
so.
I
don't
believe
so
either
jackie.
E
Okay-
and
I
saw
that
mr
cayman
would
like
to
comment-
I
think
that's
fine,
mr
came
in
if
you'd.
A
Like
to
add
yeah
to
kind
of
to
kind
of
buffer,
I
don't
know,
can
everybody
here?
Can
everybody.
G
A
So
I'm
just
gonna
comment.
I
think
that
this
is
part
of
the
reason
why
some
more
information
was.
A
Being
requested
so
that
you
can
help
kind
of
frame,
our
discussion,
you've
heard
our
concerns
and.
A
Some
of
the
thoughts
in
our
initial
thoughts
about
the
petition.
So
if
you
could
kind
of
help.
A
Us
understand
how
other
other
starbucks
operate
is
this?
Is
this
a
large
site
versus
a
lot
of
other.
A
Sites
you
know
I'm
personally
very
familiar
with
the
south
walnut
street
starbucks.
I
know
that.
A
This
site
will
operate
as
opposed
to
that
site,
because
that
is
a
major.
You
know,
location.
A
Here
in
bloomington,
I
think
for
me
personally.
I
think
it
would
very
much
be
helpful
to
get
a.
A
Better
understanding
of
what
the
expectations
for
the
performance
of
the
site
would
be.
A
And
to
know
whether
you,
whether
the
petitioner,
would
be
open
to
looking
for
some
off-site
shared.
A
A
Right
across
the
street,
so
whether
that
allows
for
more
possible
parking
on
the
site
which.
A
Might
even
be
better,
you
know.
I
just
think
that
this
is
something
personally,
I
think,
should.
A
Be
looked
at
and
I
would
be
interested
in
hearing
more
about
barry
also.
I
think
that
your
comment.
H
H
H
So
I
appreciate
you
stating
that
one,
because
I
think
that's
something
that
we
that's.
Where.
H
Some
information
could
come
from
my
question
to
jackie.
Is
this:
what's
the
normal
width
of.
H
B
H
What
we,
I
think,
actually
we
just
changed
it
to
eight
by
eighteen
and
I
can
let
you
know.
B
H
B
Meet
so
when
mr
roblin
did
the
site
plan
review,
there
were
not
issues
with
the
design.
It's.
B
Just
number
so
I
think,
there's
like
one
parking
space
there
on
the
maybe
northwest
corner
that.
H
Space,
that's
cut
as
well
right
that
those
may
not
right
that
those
two,
those
two
corner
ones.
B
B
Up
quickly,
but
I
think
if
they
were
to
get
the
variance,
it
would
basically
be
a
maximum.
A
Any
other
questions
or
or
thoughts
before
we
entertain
a
motion,
and
can
I
make
just.
E
One
more
statement:
actually,
let's
hear
first
from
susan
sanders,
sure.
C
The
site
I
think
we're
allowed
to-
I
mean
the
petitioner
barry.
I
may
be
wrong,
but
I
think
the.
H
H
B
Has
received
a
site
plan
review
by
the
plan
commission
this
drawing
may
be.
B
It's
not
quite
exactly
right
because
it
hasn't
it
hasn't
been.
It
was
filed
before
that.
B
Final
revision,
one
was
so
I'll
make
sure
if
we
do
continue
to
give
you
the
very
most.
B
Updated
it
hasn't
changed
significantly,
but
a
little
bit
and
yes,
I
mean,
I
think,
to.
B
B
So
you
know,
okay
to
kind
of
discuss
the
wider
plan
and
the
effect
of
what
that
variance.
B
Would
mean
you
know
if
they're
asking
for
60
parking
spaces
versus
33,
that's
still
the
same.
B
Variance
but
the
details
are
different
so
and
mr
worker
can
of
course
chime
in
if
we
go.
C
C
C
H
H
H
H
H
Kind
of
concerns
me
about
this
is:
there's
a
lot
of
cars,
a
lot
and
a
little
space
and.
H
You
know,
but
I
think
susan's
question
also
about
what
our
purview
is,
is
important,
because.
A
You
know
we
don't
have
all
that
information
or
background,
but
in
in
thinking
about.
A
Is
well
within
our
understanding
of
granting
a
variance
and,
and
so.
A
I
Thank
you,
I
enjoy
the
discussion
and
I
think
we
bring
up
a
lot
of
different
questions.
The.
I
I
I
Work
through
peak
hours
and
times,
but
I
do
believe
that
in
order
for
the
starbucks
to
work.
I
I
deal
with
real
estate
and
sometimes
neighbors
do
not
want
to
help
neighbors.
I
I
And
then
the
purview
and
the
questions
that
we've
been
asked
tonight
and
the.
I
I
For
a
specific
purpose,
so
I
I
am
sympathetic
with
their
with
their
request.
I
think.
I
Will
be
helpful,
you
know
I
I
can't
it's
not
my
purview
to
talk
about
traffic.
I
I
would
think
that
if
I
was
using
the
drive
through,
I
would,
as
I'm
exiting
the
site.
I
We
are
able
to
give
a
variance
or
not
so
that's
where
I
stand.
Thank
you.
H
I
I
happen
to
think
that,
after
years
of
watching
the
nearly
identical
layout
on
south
walnut.
H
And
it's
dangerous,
but
I
I
would
I
would
support
a
continuance.
C
To
their
need
for
more
parking,
and
so
I
would
you
know
if,
if
a
continuance
is
the
will
of
this.
C
A
Timko,
did
you
have
some
comments?
You
would
like
to
make
yeah
and
I'll
keep
it
short
just
to.
E
Be
respectful
of
people's
time,
it's
really
more
of
a
question
for
jackie.
I
just
want
to
make
sure.
E
E
B
Yeah
I
mean
so
you
have
a
grading
permit
review
in
review
right
now.
It
shows
33
spaces.
B
Grading
permit
for
that
you
can,
and
then
you
know
if,
if
you
get
a
positive
outcome
from
this.
B
And
have
it
re-reviewed
I
mean
it's
basically,
we've
already
reviewed
it.
Of
course,
in
this.
B
But
yes,
I
mean
there
would
be
a
way
to
keep
moving.
I
think
because
the
stage
where
you're
at
now.
B
Is
just
would
just
be
earth
moving
right,
not
not
actual
construction,
probably
within
the
next.
B
E
B
Make
the
point
that
it
is
your
right
and
if
you
want
to
go
forward
with
11,
this
body
doesn't.
B
Have
to
weigh
in
on
it
and
you
can.
But
if,
if
you're
insisting
that
you
cannot
with
11,
then
they.
B
So
I
mean
it
is
entirely
within
the
purview
to
have
these
discussions
sometimes
uses
just.
B
H
H
With
the
planning
meaning
the
the
udl,
the
udo
is
there
for
a
reason
to
make
sure
that
there's.
H
H
A
A
Or
the
previous
surface
of
the
nine,
why
was
that
being
done?
Specifically,
I
think
mr
timko.
B
Can
speak
to
it,
but
I
think
just
as
a
just
as
a
way
of
not
increasing
the
the
impermeable.
B
Not
because
it's
required
okay,
I
wasn't
sure
if
it
was
coming
out
of
a
specific,
so
it
was.
B
B
Which
has
quick
wear
on
permeables,
but
in
these
that
are
probably
mostly
going
to
be
kind
of.
B
Used
the
least
that
that
they
thought
they
were
appropriate
there.
Okay
and
I
have
a
question.
A
For
mr
tempo,
how
how
much,
how
many,
how
many
vehicles
is
their
stacking
room
planned.
A
A
And
I
guess
whether
it's
15
or
16-
I
guess
I'm
the
specific
number
isn't
that
important
is
is.
A
I
guess
I
want
to
understand:
if
that's
the
typical
number
is
that,
in
terms
of
starbucks
and.
B
B
That
from
here,
where
the
ordering
takes
place
to
the
window
is
six
so
and
mr
tim
comey
can.
B
Correct
me,
if
I'm
wrong,
but
I'm
pretty
sure
you
said
that
so
then
you
know
you
can
imagine
the.
B
Probably
right
right,
so
if
we
do
continue
the
case,
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
just.
A
To
understand
again
a
starbucks
in
this
kind
of
scenario,
what
are
what
are
the
typical.
A
You
know
stacking
numbers
that
you're
likely
to
see
during
peak
times,
because
I
think
there.
A
Have
been
some
concerns
voiced
about
the
location
and
it
just
the
that
there
would
be.
A
A
lot
of
demand
and
that
it
could
have
some
implication
for
this,
for
the
adjacent
street.
H
A
Motion:
okay,
would
somebody
like
to
make
motion.
A
H
I'll
support
a
continuance,
but
I
won't
make
a
motion
to
one
way
or
the
other
in
terms
of.
A
B
Things
that
you
could
consider,
but
we
won't
want
to
forget
to
do
that
if
it
goes
that
way.
B
Well,
we
didn't
include
a
finding
in
the
packet
indicating
that
we
thought
they
had
established.
B
B
Surrounding
employer
data
that
would
be
likely
to
use
this
location
numbers
for
similar
starbucks.
B
With
stacking
and
parking
and
whether
or
not
there
are
off-site
opportunities
in
this
area,.
I
Well,
so
we
don't
have,
I
mean
the
only
option
here
is
to
continue
that.
B
Well,
yeah:
well,
our
suggestion
was
that
that
comparable
number
numbers
would
be.
B
B
H
Deny
the
variance
you're
doing
that
by
just
simply
saying
that
we
think
that
the
site.
B
B
H
B
Kind
of
don't
think
it's
clear
enough
either
way,
which
is
why
we
would
prefer
more
information.
A
Motion
sure
I
would
move
that
we
continue
v-08-21
to
another
meeting.
While
we
are.