City of Bloomington, Indiana City Council, 3 Jun 2020

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Okay, well, if there's no objections, we'll call its meeting to order. This is.

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A meeting of the bloomington common council for wednesday june and this.

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Third, with the clerk, please call the roll.

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Yes, councilmember allen here, scam, you larry, she is out of the room. No okay,.

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Good branson barger here tsimmes here here.

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Hey matt smith, here clarity, yeah.

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Smith, here sandra here, thank you all. We have a full house and.

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Thank you for one for being here here is a summation of tonight's agenda.

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We will be approving minutes, we will hear reports from council members, the.

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Mayor and city offices, council committees and the public we will take.

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Up appointments to boards and commissions, we would hear legislation.

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For second reading and resolutions, which include ordinance 2010 to a man, titled.

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15 of the bloomington municipal code, bmc entitled vehicles in traffic regarding.

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Amending bmc chapters, 15.4 8 removal and impoundment of vehicles and 15.5 to.

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Abandoned vehicles to align rules for city initiated toes with non consensual.

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Toes and resolution 2008 approving the city of luminance transportation demand.

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Management plan will take out legislation for first reading.

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Resolutions will have a period for additional public comment on items not.

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On tonight's agenda we will take up matters of council schedule and then we.

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Will adjourn, let us start with approval of men.

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Is there anyone who has minutes to.

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Madame parliamentarian, I move approval of the minutes from august 7th 2019.

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Thank you sort of a motion, a second any discussion.

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If not all in favor well, we have to have a roll call vote on.

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That, madam clerk marilla counselor people on smith, you had a question. I.

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Just wondered if we could add the minutes of the special session on august.

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28Th 2019 and vote on those together, I see no reason not to.

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We need a sec. Oh all, right, there's any discussion on voting on both.

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Minutes at once, if not, will the clerk please call the roll on the motion? Yes,.

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Kinsman burrell: oh yes, skinner larry, yes, rosen, parker, yeah,.

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Simms, yes, roy.

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Yes, few months, man, yes, lady, yes, smith, yes, sandburg! Yes thank you and I will.

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Note that I'm noticing a bit of jitter in my own internet. So I will try to ask.

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Slowly and wait for responses, it looks like internet problems. Are the.

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Order of the day we go now to reports from council members I'll start with councilmember simms.

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Thank you very much. The first thing I'd like to announce to the public and.

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Everyone that's listening on friday june, the 6th there will be a peaceful protest.

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March and rally the title of that protest is enough, is enough.

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um And it'll start at 3 p.m. in dunn meadow. There will be a peaceful march.

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Down 7 street to the courthouse square, and there will be a brief rally with.

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Some with several community activist speakers please attend if you feel safe.

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Please understand that cdc and kovat guidelines will be followed. We ask that.

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You wear a mask and practice social, distancing and masks and water will be.

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Provided friday june, the 5th 3 p.m. at done metal will probably arrive at.

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Courthouse where around 4:10 for 15 or so so I wanted to make that announcement.

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Now my council comment is nida. If I will first thing I would like to do and for.

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Everyone- that's here, that's listening. I would like for you to take a deep take a.

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Deep long breath now I'd like for you to imagine that george floyd was not able.

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To do so because the knee was on his throat and two more sets of knees were.

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On his back now, can you imagine this? My black skin is not a crime.

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Now I've had allies across the city that inquire reach out and jim. How are you.

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Dawn and and other members throughout the town have done the same thing. I will.

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Share with you that I am in pain for this latest police initiated action. I am.

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Angry and I am tired now it asks that you all if you can recall the rodney.

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King video, almost 20 years ago, and if you remember there was excessive police.

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Force or what we consider that to be by lapd officers, and they all, of course,.

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Were acquitted in a court of law abusing excessive force, I entire.

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Because the climate in america hasn't changed much for black and brown people.

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Over all of those years and even further than that, think of all the unarmed black.

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Males that have been killed or otherwise injured by those sworn to protect and to.

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Serve, I am tired, a community activist friend.

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Of mine, I'll use her analogy that, even though you may not get murdered in the.

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Street or something very badly injured, what black and brown people do we're.

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Through a lifetime is what she describes as death by a thousand cuts. What we mean.

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By that, it's mostly race relations, that's how we treat each other. Do we.

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Treat them fairly do we treat them equitably? For example, someone who you.

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Relate with, and they can't read you or understand you when all that is required.

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Is listening cut someone calling the police on you knowing the response.

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They'll get when they say I'm dealing with a black male cut racial inequities.

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And in justices, in our cuts in our courts and in our correction systems, cut.

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And cut inequities and injustice is an education cut, healthcare, cut employment.

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Cut voting rights cut for the sake of brevity, I will not go further. I thought.

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I hope you get the message death by a thousand cuts.

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I am tired, but I am encouraged. I am encouraged because there's a younger.

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Generation that we've been dealing with that are starting to stand up. They are.

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More diverse, they're, more socially and politically engaged, and they have a keen.

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Eye towards fairness, I am encouraged because we have many allies that are.

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Although over the years have always been staunch support,.

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Willing to stand up with black and brown people and ask: how can we help? I am.

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Encouraged because, with this latest round of protests across our country and.

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For some of the reasons that they're protesting, it feels like real change.

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Could possibly happen this time. It was one of the reasons for my time and she.

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Do a lot of work and you don't see a lot of progress. It feels like change. Could.

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Happen now I would also lastly like to say that all these social ills, the.

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Police brutality all these in justices all of the inequities. These are social.

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Ills that are directed toward our minority population- and I want to remind.

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You they are just symptoms of the greater disease and that disease is.

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Ingrained institutionalized racist practices and this disease must be.

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Dismantled for us to make progress, I'm looking so much forward to see what we.

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Can do with the grassroots level at the city level, at the community level at.

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Bloomington and as we move beyond, thank you, mr. president,.

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Thank you, councilmember sims, council members, campbell larry. Thank you very.

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Much I appreciate this and and my colleague councilmember sims thank you.

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For those powerful words, one of the greatest struggles, as I watched some of.

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The social media and, as I watched some discussion, focuses on what we can do if.

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We're not marching what can we do if we are appalled and angry, but are not.

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Marching what else can we do, and I want to point to a very powerful article that.

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I thought that I noticed called 75 things. White people can do and I will.

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Actually, post it in the chat and a reference to it, but I would point it. I.

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Would point to it as an example of all the tools we do have in our toolkit? Even.

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When we feel frustrated and even when we feel powerless, there are still things we.

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Can do there, we can support the southern poverty law center. We can go out of our.

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Way to encourage our children to do the skills needed to function in a.

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Diverse society to thrive there and I think, one of the questions I've heard.

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People struggle with most is: what can I do? I will place that in the chat and.

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Then, if it could be reflected in the minutes as well, I would appreciate that.

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But councilmember since I am grateful for your words and I am still grateful.

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That I live in the city of bloomington. Thank you. Thank you. Constant pierce.

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Campbell area councilmember piedmont's miss yes, thank you.

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And thank you councilmember sims, for that eloquent reflection on what we're.

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Going through well what your community is going through, I can't include myself.

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There first of all a couple disclaimers: I'm not blaming the bloomington police.

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Department for anything I'm not and I'm speaking as a white person, obviously, but.

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I have a few things to get off my chest.

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First of all, what happens so yet another murder of an african-american individual.

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At the hands of police that are the unit of society that are supposed to protect.

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Us people talk about a violation of social contract.

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It's fine to protest peacefully, but as soon as you start throwing things in.

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Windows, you know that that's over the line, you can't do that well, who broke.

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That social contract the police did by they are the ones we trust to enforce.

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The laws that supposedly we all agree on in a democratic society and they have.

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Repeatedly violated that social contract, with almost zero repercussions for any.

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Of them, so don't talk to me about: why are they losing? Why are people throwing.

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Things because they've had it up to here.

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Trevor know that police in america are looting.

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Black bodies, so don't complain about looting because the african-american.

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Community has suffered their own source of looting for 400 years.

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Secondly, the response from our leaders has been shameful, inadequate and.

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Inciting even more pain and violence.

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President trump in his tweet said you know, you start looting, we start shooting.

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He was quoting a racist white leader from the 60s, I mean we need somebody to.

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Bring people together to try to soothe sue this this. This monstrous wound, which.

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Keeps getting bigger and trump is not up to the task.

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Trump is not up to almost any task, except for the president, but then to.

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Stage a photo-op by first of all, peppers using forceful means to remove people.

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From in front of the church in washington dc and then pose for a photo.

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Op with a freaking bible that he probably has never opened in his life.

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It's it's just outrageous, it's just it's it's! What former cia agents have said.

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They see in in totalitarian governments in other countries all the time and then.

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There's trey hollingsworth our congressman. What did he send out today.

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As his weekly constituent poll, the title was censorship, and his polls are always.

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Pointed questions there, he doesn't really care what people actually think and his poll was about twitter, putting a warning label on trump's tweet, with with.

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The the I mean our country is going through and.

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The systemic racism that has been brought to the surface again and again.

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And is exploding and and what does he, what does he communicate to his.

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Constituents about so-called censorship- it's it's outrageous and it's it makes.

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Me angry and it makes me sad as an american, so moving on to the problem, the.

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The problem is of systemic racism in this case and of course it permeates our.

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Society in many many ways, but first of all the police kind of police themselves.

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They have internal affairs bureaus and they say: oh there's, a problem, we'll look.

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Into it, that's no way to control anybody, I mean nobody should be policing.

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Themselves, that's then they have civil service protections. So the union chief, a.

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Union representative, who heads the police union in minneapolis has already.

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Said he's going to appeal the firing of those four officers he thinks they.

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Should be reinstated in minneapolis there's a 46% reinstatement rate after.

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Police officers are fired, so it's incredibly hard to fire police officers.

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Make it stick that needs to change? We do have civilian review boards and we.

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Have one here in the city of bloomington in most communities they have no teeth.

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They can make recommendations, but those recommendations don't have to be.

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Followed, that's something we need to change police unions, I'm all for unions,.

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I think workers do need to be protected, but some of these police unions protect.

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Really bad apples and protect a system in which racism flares into violence at.

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The hands of police and that cannot be tolerated and finally, in court cases.

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Police can always argue that they had a reasonable fear for their life. That is.

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Such a hazy notion that it's almost impossible to convict.

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Police officer that has got to change. We need to pursue these systemic changes.

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And here in bloomington, we need to start by checking our state of indiana and our.

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Local codes and procedures and laws and make sure that we do have accountability.

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For police- and that is something that I pledge to do- and I've already sent an.

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Email to our corporation council to start that process, I am I've been in.

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Tears, I've been yelling, I am I've, I'm fed up and I'm I'm not african-american.

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I you know, I can't. I can't even pretend to understand how set up brown and black.

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People in our country are, and it's it's an outrage. That's all I have thank you.

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Let me point out that normally we set aside 20 minutes for each set of reports.

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We're already 15 minutes into councilmember reports.

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I want to accommodate everyone who wants to speak at this time because it's an.

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Important issue, but I would just ask everyone to be conscious at their time.

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Councillor sandberg, thank you and I will be brief. The strong and words of our.

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Colleague, councilmember simms stand alone. I just stand in empathy and.

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Solidarity with him and to all in this clip we're who have experienced those.

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Cuts. Thank you. Thank you, councilmember rallo. Thank you very good comments. I.

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Would just add that my support is with protesters over the past days was.

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Pulling pulling back, I think we're we're in a variety of institutional crises and.

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I think, as council member simm said refer to that with hope that we might.

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Have real change this time and I share that hope. I think the institutions are.

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That aren't crises are not just police departments throughout the.

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Country but our systems of government, social institutions, economic.

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Institutions- and I noted this week that even as riots were protests and then.

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We're in and riots evolved, the stock market went up and it couldn't help, but.

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Go up because the federal reserve has been printing money which finds its way.

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Into the financial system, so this has resulted in a very curious thing, which.

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Is I noted this week there was an article I think in forbes. It said that.

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The billionaires of the country during this pandemic crisis, and now this social.

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Crisis have increased their wealth by four hundred and fifty billion dollars.

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And I read a similar I've read another headline in a different newspaper that.

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Said that 9 million families throughout the country have trouble buying food.

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Because they're unemployed so clearly this speaks to a real, very deep crisis.

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In our country and it's time for a reset, and I hope that we make that reset soon.

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We have an election coming up in the fall and I'm hoping we take a major step.

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Toward a reese step, a reset for equality and fairness in this country, thank you.

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Thank you, councilmember flaherty. Yes, thank you to my colleagues for.

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Very thoughtful comments and worried so far. um First, I actually have an update.

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By way of the mpo policy committee, I wanted to share with viewers and as well.

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As counsel colleagues, an opportunity for public engagement in the development of.

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The new 2045 metropolitan transportation plan for those who are unfamiliar the.

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Bloomington monroe county metropolitan planning organization or mpo for short.

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Provides transportation planning serve is for bloomington, elet's, ville and.

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Parts of monroe, county and part of these services include the development of.

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Long-Range diet, our transportation projects within the mpo countries, so our.

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Current plan extends through 2040, and this update will extend that time.

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Horizon to 2045, I I'll drop a link, a direct link to the survey in the chat.

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But also to access the survey, you can go to bloomington iein gov, slash, mpo and.

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Then just click on the metropolitan transportation plan. The survey link is.

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On that page, along with some more information about the planning process,.

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Draft chapters to date, it's completely anonymous takes five or ten minutes to.

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Complete and as much outreach as we could get with constituents and anyone.

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In the community to fill that out and help us guide our priorities and the.

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Transportation system would be great, so thanks so much and then additionally.

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Along with my colleagues, I want to say that I stand in solidarity with the black community and that I want to express my grief and anger at the murder.

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Of george floyd and call for justice and of course, as others have noted, george's.

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Death is just one in a tragically long list of black and brown bodies that have.

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Been taken from us by state sanctioned violence, we have to change, we have to do.

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Better, we need to continue to work to address police violence, bias and.

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Militarization, the scourge of mass incarceration driven by racial.

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Inequities and law enforcement and sentencing practices, as well as all.

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Manifestations of systemic racism, I pledge to do more to educate myself and.

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To listen and learn from black brown and indigenous voices in our community. I.

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Think we on the bloomington common council need to redouble our efforts to.

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Change, racist policies, wherever we can, by which I mean any policy that produces.

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Or sustains racial and equity in our community, so I guess that's it for me.

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Thanks, thank you, councilmember smith. Thank you. I'd also like to thank all my.

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Colleagues on the council for such eloquent statements as a city council.

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Member, I thought it was really important to make a statement about the trash.

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The events of the past week I'm saddened that another black person has been.

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Killed during a police action, why does it continue to happen.

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I realize, as a white person, I'm really never gonna get it, but being black in.

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America shouldn't mean living with the fear that every interaction with law.

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Enforcement has the potential for a life or death situation. It's just.

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Unacceptable I've been in social services, my whole life as a white male.

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In this country, I'm painfully aware that people are treated differently because.

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Of the color of their skin, we all have biases because of our cultural.

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Backgrounds how we were raised our life experiences, but we can seek to.

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Understand our biases and learn to be better human beings. That is a way.

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Forward and that's the way it needs to be when barack obama was elected.

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President, I thought we had turned a corner in race relations and her country.

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Was moving into the 21st century in a more enlightened way, like you know,.

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Blooming of spring, but now it seems like it was an illusion one step forward and.

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Two steps back: we are not blind. We all know that racism dissolves, always a big.

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Part of our country over the years, my friends and colleagues with brown skin.

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Have told me their experiences where racism has made them uncomfortable in.

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Southern indiana communities, when people watched them when they drove into their.

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Communities and when people were fearful for their lives during traffic stops.

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Even while they were a soldier serving in the military forces in our community.

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They've told me about having that talk with their sons and daughters, because.

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They feared for their safety. This is just not right.

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Playing field is not equal, it's tilted against people of color and it truly.

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Saddens me: we all have biases. So it's on it's.

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Likely, I'm never gonna, understand the experiences of my friends, no matter how.

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Much I try to comprehend it or how many black friends are brown friends. I have.

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Well, what I can do is remember everyday, how much the color of people's skin.

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Impacts their lives determines where they live, the quality of their.

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Healthcare with schools: they can attend how much they can earn. It determines.

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Access to opportunities and whether those lives matter, what I can do is look.

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To recognize when the playing field is tilted and speak out against it, former.

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President bush, who yeah I'm quoting him, which is definitely unusual, said, raised.

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The question of how do we end the systemic racism in our society? He said.

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The only way to see ourselves in a true light is to listen to the voices of so.

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Many who are hurting and grieving, so let's listen. Let's try to understand.

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Let's be better human beings. That is our way forward. It must be. We have a long.

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Way to go so, let's begin today, thank you.

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Thank you, a councilmember rosenberger. Thank you. Thank you to my colleagues who.

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Have gone before me, I think everyone has said very thoughtful things here. You.

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Know this just this is really made me think about why I ran for council and.

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What I experienced going door to door in this community as I was as I was doing,.

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That, and even before that, on the words campaign going door to door- and you know.

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One thing I said is that it was really clear that everyone doesn't feel.

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Included here right, everyone doesn't feel safe or welcomed or supported in.

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This community and as a white person who was benefited and continues to benefit.

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From the constructs of rice, I think it is up to me to do my part to bring.

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Awareness to the history of cultural and systemic racism in our country and in.

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Our state and even in our in our city- and I think it's up to me and all of us.

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On council to take the steps to repair system, so our laws and our policies and.

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Our practices no longer perpetuate racism, as I learn more and I continue to.

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Read write and have these conversations with people I hope to evolve in in this.

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And I hope to be a support to the black community and I hope the same for.

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Everyone in bloomington, I had a constituent meeting last week and we.

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Talked we had a really good discussion. I think, among strangers about what.

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Structural racism looks like and how we contribute and what we can do to change.

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It- and I think it's up to all of us to continue these conversations and have.

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These hard conversations with our family with our friends with people we know.

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With people we don't know and just really like open up and be honest and.

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Talk about how we can change how we can help how we can make this place better.

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And safer for the black community, I you know we passed the resolution a couple.

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Weeks ago as well- and I think that is a wonderful process, as I say, and I think.

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Looking forward, what we can really do here to make a difference is continuing.

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To vote 9 to zero in places where we can change our policies so that we no longer.

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Have policies that perpetuate racism, councilmember simms talk about the the.

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June 5th protest and I wanted to also post a link to the june 6th protest. It.

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Is a facebook protest so coded safe and and it's I'll put that in the comments.

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But I want to make sure everyone has access to that as well. In case you can't.

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Make the june 5th one or you want to go to both you have those options. Thank you.

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Thank you, my your pieces. I've got out so I hope there's no echo, but I just want.

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To thank my colleagues for their thoughtful remarks in this extraordinary.

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Time this extraordinary year and I have been away from bloomington for almost.

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Three months now quarantined at my parents, house, 200 miles away and I'll be.

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Coming back on saturday, and I am having trouble imagining what city I'm coming.

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Back to and I I'm looking forward to seeing people to get in person we're.

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Gonna be hearing a report from the mayor and other officials about the other.

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Crisis that we've been in during this year, that is much shorter in duration, no.

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Less intense and I appreciate the the patience and the fortitude of everyone.

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Who is going through this this time? I my words are very poor. I want to thank.

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Everyone for their consideration with that we go now to reports the mayor and.

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City officers, mayor hamilton- I see you present. I hope that you can give us an.

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Update on the cobe, 19th response and other matters of the word, yes, thank you.

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Can you hear me all right.

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Yeah, okay, so first thanks for all the comments and.

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Commitment and passion- and it's good to remember- democracy, matters and elections.

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Matter and we just went to an election, so it's good to remind people how important that is glad. We had that. I am going to talk about two viruses tonight.

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First, the virus that we faced for four months with serious local challenges. I.

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Will continue to report that the latest data continued to be good with low hospitalizations low percent of.

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Incidents in the testing that is being done less than 5% of those tested are.

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Testing positive, we have, as you all probably know, moved to stage three in.

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Effect in the in the states protocols, with the exception that we have limited.

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Social gatherings to 50 persons or fewer city hall was open. Last week we had.

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Really only about 10 or so visitors per day for those 10. I know it mattered, but.

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Just to let you know, we've been able to do the vast majority of the work and.

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Continue to do so remotely by phone online and our behaviors in this.

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Community will continue to drive our future activities. That's why masks.

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Distancing all those protocols are so important. The two work groups that you.

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Often hear from are underway active there they're transitioning to longer.

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Term effects you'll hear from both of them at the next council meeting, but not.

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Tonight I'm happy to answer questions about anything they're doing and I have.

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To join with you all to talk about this second virus for a minute or two, this.

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Virus that for 400 years has been in america a social virus of racism and.

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Bigotry, it is a virus that is spread, person-to-person generation to.

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Generation in the past several weeks, we've had horrific examples of police.

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Killings of innocent and unarmed people of color that have outraged our.

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Community and much of the country, it has poured salt in long-standing wounds. We.

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Have had several peaceful gatherings here to protest, this ongoing painful.

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Injustice, people have marched, people have kneeled, people have written and.

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Spoken truth to power, people have cried and grieved.

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And people have been activated, allies are standing up just this evening. I.

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Listened as president obama expressed his grief in a town hall and also his.

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Optimism for the future, his belief that our country and I'd say our community.

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Can indeed follow the lead of young people and improve our justice, make our.

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Union more perfect, if we dig in and do the hard work he also specifically.

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Tonight urged that every mayor in the country embrace the 21st century.

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Policing report review its components and sign a pledge I already signed it.

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Tonight again, as I hope you know, bloomington.

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Went through in detail and embraced and implemented the full 21st century.

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Policing report in 2016, with oversight from our public safety board with the.

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Pledge renewed, I will ask that board to review that report again over the coming.

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Months I know our community feels the pain of racial justice, especially hard.

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Today, I know all of us need to work together to make our community live up.

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To our values to reflect our values in the real world on the ground every day,.

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We face a triple challenge: the continued insidious legacy of centuries of racism.

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And white supremacy layered with this global pandemic, killing our neighbors.

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And a shattered sputtering economy ravaging households of all around us. We.

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Have to do the hard work of recovering forward of making hard choices of.

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Listening really listening to each other to outline our future together.

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All together, I won't go on longer, there's more to be said, but more can say.

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More at other times I'll end, my comments, referencing that major rally, that's.

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Planned at a march for this friday, led by some of those optimistic young.

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Activists, it is right and good to rally and march. Bloomington is strong because.

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We have strong activists and people of hope and dedication demanding a better.

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Tomorrow, as people gather at 3:00 p.m. in dun meadow on friday, for that better.

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Tomorrow, I'll join councilmember sims in encouraging the masks and the physical.

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Distancing that will also protect our community from that four month virus as.

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We move forward toward a more just community and country. I thank you and.

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I'll be happy to take questions if you have any. Are there other reports from.

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The mayor and city offices, before we go to questions no we're gonna move those.

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To the next meeting that you have thanks, unless I'm mistaken, I think we're.

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Planning to go for it, I knew it would be long. It's a hate, that's fine!.

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Are there any questions for the mayor from members seeing.

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We'll go on now, you're too you get over sims hello. Yes, please go ahead. Okay,.

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Thank you, I'm. I really just like to make a comment.

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If that's okay, I've had the pleasure and I'm sure many of my colleagues have as.

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Well, and particularly when the last week, or so with all the community strike or.

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The strife we're dealing with across the country and I've had the pleasure of.

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Discussing this to some degree with the mayor and I'm looking forward to again.

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What systemic type changes we can have an effect on locally that'll make this a.

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Better community and as we move forward and I'm encouraged with some of the.

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Things that I'm hearing from the mayor's office- and these aren't a lot of new.

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Things but I think they're taking more importance from a social standpoint at.

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This point, so I just want to say thank you mayor for the statement that was.

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Made on behalf of the city in support of the black and brown people in our.

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Community and justice and social equity, and look forward to what we can do as a.

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Community as a local government body moving into the future, so thank you very.

D

Much thank you. Thank you. Mr. mayor, we'll go now to thank you. Goodnight.

A

We'll go to reports from council committees. Are there any reports from.

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Council committees items not on the agenda.

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Seeing none we'll go to reports from the public if there's any member of the.

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Public would like to address the council on an item. That's not on the agenda.

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Tonight, here's your opportunity, your first of two, I see it at least one.

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Person already, please use the raised hand, function in zoom or type into the.

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Chat mr. lucas think mr. randy paul is up first.

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Just unmuted him and he should be ready to comment mr. paul, please go ahead.

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You'll have five minutes. Okay, can you hear me all right? Yes, yes, I.

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Want to read, I want to sound like I'm just repeating myself, but I'm sorry, but.

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I'm going to talk again about continuing the xoom meetings once this pandemic is.

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Over and the reason I keep bringing it up is I'm not getting any kind of.

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Commitment from anybody and I'm not sure how the process is gonna work for the.

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City council, I'm not sure how you're gonna make your decision. I would like to.

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See it be done in public, I would love to see a city council members. You know come.

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Up with a resolution encouraging not just your meetings but all city meetings,.

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And county meetings to be held by zoom- and I feel strongly about this- I always.

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Talk about him, I'm representing the interest of people with disabilities, but.

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It also falls for the general public. I think has been shown over time that.

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People are are coming into these meetings. I think, if you look at your.

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Numbers it's gonna show you've got public interest. I went back to the 2010.

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Census and roughly, if I remember the numbers right, it showed a population in.

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The city of roughly 85,000 people with a eighty percent of that being people.

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Having disabilities so you're, looking at roughly six to eight hundred seven.

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Thousand people in the city that say they have a disability, so I think you're.

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Looking at a large number of people and far as their access to government.

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Business in that I've been doing some studying of the ata recently.

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Particularly the most recent 2018 updates, where it talks about government.

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Access and while it doesn't say you know, government city government should have.

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Zoom meetings, there's a lot of emphasis on access and access now is viewed more.

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Than just a building concrete mortar, are your doorways wide enough? If focuses.

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Much more on the public access, do you have access to government services and.

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Government functions and I think you know I certainly think I could make the.

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Argument that says, if someone can't get to the meeting only by remote by zoom.

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That can fall under the ata that can fall under access.

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And I think it's something we ought to talk about, but I but I hope that when.

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You make this decision whether you continue this or not. Let it be done.

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Public, I think I see the city as being a leader in this. I thank you. If the city.

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Would make a decision to continue this that others would fall in line the only.

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Group right now has made a firm commitment as a cca, which is the council for community access, and you would expect them to.

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Support this that's their job, but I think this is important issue and I hope.

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That, when you make your decision, you do it in public and that you consider the.

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Accessibility of the city government to people with disabilities thanks a lot.

A

Thank you, mr. paul. Is there anyone else like to speak on, I'm not on the agenda.

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Mr. lucas, next up we have mr. greg alexander who should be ready to comment.

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Mr. alexander you'll have five minutes. Please go ahead. Thanks, hi, I'm greg.

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Alexander, I can already hear you know some of you guys are surely thinking you.

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Know that I'm going to use social justice as an excuse to talk about.

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Transportation- and I hope you're aware that that actually I along have been.

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Kind of doing that backwards, I've been using sidewalks as an excuse to talk.

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About social forum, you know that's kind of weird. I grew up in the suburbs as a.

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Middle-Class white kid and I hated this disaggregation, you know I hated the.

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Social forum was what really upset me the most about it and that you, you know.

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That's that's petty. You know, I'm super privileged. I when I, when I grew up, I was.

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Able to to live in the neighborhood of my choice, you know I I didn't have any.

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Barriers and now my kids go to fairview. You know I got what I wanted, but.

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Everything I hated about that segregated neighborhood that I grew up in was.

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Enabled by the car and it was defined by the car- I don't hate the car so much. I.

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Hate the community that the neighborhood that the car built.

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And so I'm just going to list a few ways that transportation influences the.

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Segregation that continues in this nation, we obviously we have segregated.

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Neighborhoods we got, we got coldest acts, we can't drive through the neighborhood.

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Because people don't want to have strangers driving through their.

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Neighborhood and if you're wealthy enough or fortunate enough to be able to to have that kind of amenity, you can segregate yourself from you know just.

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Your neighbors we've got, you know, we have. Everybody already knows this phrase.

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Driving while black, you know you you, if black people go into the wrong.

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Neighborhood, obviously there they're gonna face trouble, but we we see that it.

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Happens thanks to the investigations after the ferguson situation, some years.

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Ago, where another young man was killed by police, we know that if you drive.

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While black in the right, neighborhood and in the black neighborhood, you also.

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Face police will just do random, stops and they'll charge. Everybody in the.

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Black neighborhood with speeding whether they were speeding or not. You know that.

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That the fact that transportation is inextricably linked to policing you know.

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Please spend about a third of their time on transportation on cars on you know,.

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Broken-Down cars and wrecks, but also on enforcement, which is a major source of.

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Disparity, you know car stops when people talk about disparity in places where.

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There aren't so many cars, the police, disproportionately approach, people who.

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Use the subway, and obviously mostly black people. We see this in in the.

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Protests in ferguson and now today they often the protesters blocked the freeway.

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Because they live in a neighborhood that was designed that was bypassed by the.

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Freeways that white people and white dollars could just flow right through.

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Their neighborhood, without even stopping and so the only way that they can get.

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The attention of the population that makes all their decisions is by blocking.

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The freeway we see in charlottesville young woman was killed. What three years.

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Ago by somebody drove into a crowd in new york, city and portland, we have seen.

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Videos now of cops driving directly into crowds again.

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You know, sometimes the crowd is able to disperse, and sometimes it isn't, we've.

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Seen that in minneapolis a semi-truck driver broke into a crowd, he was.

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Immediately the governor apologized said: oh, he didn't mean anything by he's, not.

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Racist, you know we, we accept this basic level of vehicular violence and we make.

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Excuses for the drivers before we even find out what the story is and we've had.

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A minute we we've had protests here that have had drivers right into them. One.

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What two nights ago driver drove into a protest and it's it's amazing: how.

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Dehumanizing the car is every kind of week. I differ actually with.

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Councilmember sims, I am not optimistic about youth, actually changing things if.

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They're gonna live in this same built environment, where segregation and.

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Alienation and and dehumanization is just absolutely taken for granted. They.

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Will grow up, they will move into the suburbs and they will adopt the same suburban attitudes as everybody else. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. alexander are.

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There any other members of the public who would like to speak. Please raise your hand and zoom or type into the chat, and mr. lucas will recognize you we'll.

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Go over a few more seconds. Mr. lucas, is there anyone else who would like to.

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Speak, could I see okay, how you said that? Thank you, everyone we will move on now.

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To appointments to boards and commissions: are there any appointments.

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To boards and commissions, or are they I mean appointments in a of any kind? Yes,.

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Mr. president, I move that the council hire stephen lucas, who is currently.

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Serving as deputy administrator attorney of the council to be the administrator.

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Attorney of the council effective no earlier than august 1st 2020. Thank you.

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We have a motion in a second councilmember sims and I were tasked.

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With discussing the position with mr. lucas, we believe we've come to an.

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Understanding and that he will accept the position if it is offered to him and.

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So I'm happy to endorse this this motion. I think he will.

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Be a great replacement for dan sherman, who has served us for 30 years and I'm.

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You know happy to answer questions. If mr. sims would like to comment, I would.

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Welcome his thoughts as well, actually I'll wait until finally, for such a time.

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Okay, are there any questions on the motion, seeing none? If there's no comment.

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So constant member flaherty.

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He's muted, my apologies, I was had a coffer beer and decided to meet myself. I.

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Wanted to ask if if either you councilmember, bolin or counselor bird.

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Simmons could speak in a bit more detail about your deliberations and and what is.

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Expected in terms of how how if this motion were to pass, how the council will.

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Go about exploring appropriate salaries and and other other things like that,.

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Well, you know we did discuss the salary range with mr. lucas. We feel like we.

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Found a number that was appropriate, I you know, I don't know like we talked.

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About other aspects of employment, you know vacation time, you know.

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Understanding of how reporting would work, you know there were no, you know it.

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Was a very genial conversation, there were no disputes, think we all felt.

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Comfortable with it, you know, as far as I don't know, if I heard the entirety of.

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You a question, I guess were those are those details already available that I'm.

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That I somehow missed in a packet addendum or no and in fact I'm afraid.

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That I was elected to send email today, I'm happy to postpone.

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The question: if it's a deer yeah no, I neglected to send an email out.

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Discussing the tenor of our discussions, so that's my bad. I am well. I have a.

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Comment, I guess, but okay yeah. I need questions mr. simms well, I'd like to.

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Respond a little bit with that. First of all, and I think with the council.

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President's meetings with every one of my colleagues and I think it's pretty.

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Obvious that mr. lucas is eminently qualified to replace the an chairman. I.

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Understand my colleagues questions, but the discussion and I don't have notes.

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With me, I thought our chair would do that now be.

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Forthcoming but we had an in-depth conversation, we did talk about salary.

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Salary ranges that sort of thing we talked about operations and what I mean.

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By that is, there will be it's it's very important on how our council attorney an.

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Administrator and their office works with the city clerk's in her office and.

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Some of those responsibilities, and maybe we'll see some some changes as we do and.

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You all will be part of that conversation. It's not anything one or.

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Two people do, but we talked about those sorts of things. We talked about the.

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Hiring process for the assistant administrator, an attorney as we move.

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Forward, I not so sure if that job has been posted. Yes yet, but we've talked.

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About a time schedule, in order to do that, I will say this: I had conversations.

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Earlier once this all came out with with other people in the community, and there.

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Was one was stated that since them we passed the.

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Condemning white supremacy resolution- and I was a sponsor that somehow there.

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Was some sort of connection between those two and I understand that from a.

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Public city standpoint but as I said then I think this was a matter of timing.

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First and foremost well: qualifications, first and then timing. We've got a person.

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Right in houses, ready that knows how we operate understands the council system.

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And that'll be a excellent in pretty easy transition. Now, when we talk about.

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Hiring an assistant that will be much broader much farther reaching. We will be.

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Talking about emphases again, not only in qualifications, but aspects of diversity,.

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To be part of what it is that we're doing, and how we can help facilitate.

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That so that may not have answered everything. Council clarity and I know.

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When president boland comes up with his or does the notes that there may be more.

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Detail, but if there's anything else more specific, I or president bolin can answer.

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Don't hesitate to ask.

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Councillor morello.

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Yes, I wondered, if pose that comes to president postpone the vote on this.

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Appointment, I didn't hear you I'm sorry in my speak of it louder. Okay, I was.

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Offering that perhaps you might consider postponing vote on this and so relevant.

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Questions are are given time to evolve and be answered.

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You know regarding compensation or duties or how this transition will occur.

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Or you know so forth, I don't have any, but I want to make sure everybody here.

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Is comfortable and if this isn't, uh if this isn't a problem, maybe we should.

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Postpone just suggesting I would be reluctant to, but I would have no.

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Objection to postponement if, if majora felt, that was appropriate any other.

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Questions or comments or motions.

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Customer flirty, yeah and point of order first, I guess in are we commenting on.

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Was there an actual motion to to postpone the vote and is that what we're.

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No, not yeah, I was just you know, there's no. I guess I can frame my my thoughts or.

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Comment in the form of a question to to the committee or to council president.

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And council vice president, which is, I guess, I feel more comfortable voting on.

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Something to find out the details of it and- and I don't feel like I have adequate details at this moment and that's why I would support postponing.

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But I guess I'm curious to know from your perspective, what additional details.

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Look at I'll reiterate my support for mr. lucas in the position and also my.

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Trust in the two of you in in negotiating and pursuing this, but I do.

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Feel like I need to know more details before taking a vote on the matter and.

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And I would be curious to hear your plans in terms of what additionally might be shared and what that timeline could look like if the vote was.

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Postponed well, I just want to apologize once again for neglecting to file a.

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Report with you all after our discussion with lucas last week, that should have.

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Something I should have put in writing, but having not done that again, I would I.

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Don't blame anyone for wanting more details comes from barry sandberg thank.

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You I just want to lend my support to the decision. I do have the confidence in.

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The leadership team who bargained or went to the table and discuss this.

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Matter with mr. lucas, I can just say as a long-term member of this council and.

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Expressing my deep regard for dan sherman and the incredible work he has.

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Done on behalf of this councilor for 30 years, and I also want to say that prior.

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To mr. lucas joining the team as the assistants we suffered another great.

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Loss in the staff, with the loss of stacey, jane rhodes,.

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Who also was a remarkable member of this team in terms of working collaboratively.

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Cooperatively with all due confidence with all due competency- and it was truly.

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Exciting for me to see mr. lucas step into her role, because I was having a.

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Hard time thinking who was gonna fill her big shoes and he's done so with such.

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Great efficiency, I appreciated his work in the clerk's office as the deputy and.

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Now that he is serving as the assistant to dan sherman, it makes complete sense.

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To me that he has the opportunity to to get the new post when that does become.

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Big and with mr. sherman's retirement in august, so that issue, regardless of any.

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Details with the salary ranges, I'm sure that's been done equitably with the.

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Years of experience, so he brings to the table as well as who's already serving.

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In the office and that continuity for me, as a council person who depends on the.

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Work of our researchers and our legislative support team and our.

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Attorneys is just so crucial to us being a functioning council, his ability to.

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Cooperate and work well with the with the clerk's off having come from that.

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Office, that is another big big bonus. How the the deputy is hired. That's another.

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Matter that will require more steps and more more deliberations. This one to me.

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Is absolutely without question, and so I would have no problem voting for this.

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Tonight I can understand if newer members of the council, who who maybe.

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Don't have the same history working with a smooth-running team might have.

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Questions I'm happy to defer, but I just want to express my complete confidence.

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In this decision and confidence in the leadership team for having discussions.

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Appropriately, thank you. Thank you. Consumer sandberg. Are there any other.

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Questions or comments or motions with respect to this motion.

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That's when per sentence- oh, this is actually more of a comment on council.

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Member ramos proposal potential proposal and I totally understand that- and I am.

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Willing to support that if we move toward that route, but the first thing I.

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Would like to entertain with my other colleagues and a would note that council.

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Member rallo said- and he brought up a good point, but he said he didn't have.

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Any questions if, in fact, there are any questions from any of our colleagues.

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That can be addressed tonight. Maybe that will alleviate the need to postpone this.

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Until later, even though I'm willing to do that, if those aren't satisfactory so.

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I was just want just posing that as a possibility, if necessary. Thank you. Mr.

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Simms any other discussion on the motion. That's weber, dollar. This is a very.

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Important appointment and I want to make sure everyone is comfortable with it. I.

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Understand that some are willing to make the appointment now and have as much.

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Information as they need, I'm not sure if we would have all the relevant questions.

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This evening, and even if we did if.

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Council leadership would be in a position to answer them at this point, so.

G

My appeal is to have the motion withdrawn and substitute emotion for to.

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Postpone until next regular session with the idea that we would then have.

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Adequate time for questions and answers to to evolve in the answer, I see mr.

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Schurr and raising his hand, but I might jump in just to say I think we don't.

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Need to have a motion withdrawn, we can just simply move to postpone to the next.

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Regular session, so as you'd like to make that mr. sherman, would you like to yes.

O

One of the and reasons for my retirement letter at.

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The time it was given is that in event, you wanted to elevate stephen lucas. You.

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Have time to fill in the vacancy that would create, I would suggest if it's.

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Amenable and the person who makes the motion to postpone make it for a special.

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Session next week, unless you believe there are questions, the questions aren't.

O

Answerable within a week, I think we can despites could make a difference. There's.

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The hiring process could take you six weeks, and that puts you at the beginning.

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Of august, so thank you for listening mr. raleigh to answer your question. Well, I'm.

G

Prepared to make a motion postpone until next week set a special session before.

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Before you do, if we can, I'm sorry that before you do, if there are other.

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Questions that the members want to ask councilmember, piedmont. Smith. I see your.

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Hand raises, I think, councilmember clarity was first and then councilmember.

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Piedmont, smith, I think my screen is very jittery. Yes, I'll defer to councilmembers.

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Piedmont, smith and scambler ii. I think first, since I've already spoken on it.

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Sean smith, yes, I wanted to ask whether this would be the only item that we.

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Would be needing to meet for on june 10th, because I do, I do not see other.

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First readings coming up, so I want to make sure we don't have a meeting only.

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For this we have a, we have a resolution coming forward that will be referred to.

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The sustainable development committee, so there is a meeting scheduled next week.

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But we didn't have a special session scheduled, although because we are still.

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In the pandemic lockdown, you know we have had special sessions in order to to.

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Hear reports updates on on reopening so that's as possibly might.

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Schedule one for that reason: well, normally it would be a committee meeting.

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Evening, that's why I asked, but there are other reasons to call a special session.

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That that answers my question. Thank you. Okay, final questions for you here. Mr.

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Rallos motion constant over ello sue, I'm so nervous game pads, no bruce.

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Campbell larry, I'm sorry, it's terrible council members, boland and sims. I.

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Appreciate the work you've done on this, this is a critical position and I'm.

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Grateful that you've approached this in a thoughtful way. I don't have any.

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Further questions, I would be content to vote on this tonight, but I am entirely.

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Supportive of colleagues who might wish to wait a week and gather some.

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Additional information, I think that's fine,.

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One of the things we've articulated so far is the need for the search for a.

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Successor, if, indeed, stephen, is elevated to this new position, the need for a very.

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Diligent search that ensures we have diversity in our candidate pool and that.

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We reach as many different qualified candidates as we can. That takes time so.

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I would encourage us not to put this off more than a week. We are already kind of.

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Clipping along in june and searches take a while, so I would I would encourage us.

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If we choose to delay just to move forward as quickly as possible, ideally.

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In a week, but no more than two weeks if possible, thank you. Thank you. Counsel.

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Brisk and blurry I now I can't see 380 people on screen contra morello. Well, I.

G

Would move that we postpone the appointment of steven lucas? It's a.

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Position of counsel attorney administrator until june 10th back in a.

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Special session mr. simms well, do we know that we have a motion on table.

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Already, I'm just trying to keep it straight in my head.

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Can can be it's super the moji to postpone supersedes the motion. That's on.

C

The table: okay. Thank you. Any discussion on the motion to postpone.

A

If not, if we can have the clerk call the roll on the motion to postpone to june.

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10Th I'll just um wait one second, mr. flaherty yeah I'll just comments in.

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Support of the motion, and why and why I supported it, would like for it. I just.

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Again will reiterate my general support of both appointing or hiring mr. lucas.

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In this position, as well as my my thanks and and faith in in council president.

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Council vice president, in pursuing this, I just feel like to make a vote as a.

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Matter of due diligence, I need some additional level of rapport in terms of.

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Details and what the salary will be, how the number was arrived at, what we looked.

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At I think I will probably be you know, 99% sure that, based on my working with.

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You all so far that I will be happy with what I learn and, and you know happy to.

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Support this, I just again as a matter of processing, do due diligence would like.

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To hear a little bit more details about that process before we're voting so.

H

Thank you for your consideration. Thank you. Mr. flaherty.

A

Any other comments, clerk bolden, you have something I shouldn't just for.

B

Clarification say again, please. I have a question for clarification on the motion.

B

Did you hear that I barely that's okay, councilmember rallo.

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Is your motion to postpone the hiring until june 10th to me 20? Yes, it is okay.

B

Thank you. Okay, any other comments. Before we take a vote, do it, I can't it council.

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For people on smith, the motion was to postpone the vote on the hiring okay.

A

Thanks if we, but we need to vote on the postponement, I got sober smith. I was.

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Just gonna say I support stephen yeah. I also support the idea. Let's put.

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It off the next week support that postponed to next week. Thank you.

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Any other comments once again, I just want to reiterate my apology for not.

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Filing the report before the meeting so that you would have had a chance to.

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Consider all the details I and comer sims will be happy to answer your.

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Questions between now and next week and I will endeavor to give you as much.

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Inside as possible, with that with a clerk, please call the roll on the motion.

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To postpone to a special session for june, the 10th member skimary, yes yep.

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Sims, yes, rowland; yes, emmitt smith; yes, clarity! Yes, smith! Yes, sandburg, yes, and.

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Roll yes, okay, okay, we will. We will postpone that to a special session on.

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June, the 10th we now are there any other appointments to boards and commissions.

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Seeing none we'll go to legislation for second reading and resolutions. Madam.

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Parliamentarian, mr. president, I moved that ordinance 2010 be introduced, read.

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By the clerk by title and synopsis, only a motion and second will the clerk.

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Please call the roll on the motion to introduce its mover rosenberger yeah.

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Simms, yes rollin. Yes, we once men. Yes, lady, yes, smith! Yes,.

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Bambor? Yes, bravo! Yes, scam! Balloon! Yes, as I.

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Seemed we have a nine zero with a clerk. Please read by title and synopsis.

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Ordinance 2010 to amend title 15 of the bloomington municipal code, entitled.

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Vehicles and traffic regarding amending the mc chapters, 1548 removal and.

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Impoundment of vehicles and 1552 abandoned vehicles to align the rules.

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For city initiated toes with non-consensual totes leah synopsis is, as.

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Follows this romance brings rules governing publicly initiated toes under.

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Title 15 into line with recently adopted rules for non-consensual tows, codified.

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In title 4, by making the rules for maximum charges and for release to towed.

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Vehicles uniform in both title 4 and title 15. This ordinance will result in.

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More clarity for the public and easier administration of towing rules for both.

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Public and private actors, the administration committee recommendation.

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Is do pass for a zero-zero. Thank you. Mr. president,.

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I moved that ordinance 2010 be adopted second of a motion in a second here to.

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Present, who is here to present on this issue.

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Council president, michael rooker is here to present this ordinance very briefly, I.

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Think, mr. rooker, could we see you or where you voice only I am unfortunately.

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Voice only my laptop is not equipped with a webcam, so you will have to endure.

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This hearing me all right: well, we encourage you to go ahead, even though we.

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Can't see your bright shiny face, thank you and thank you. Members of the common.

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Council I come before you tonight with a simple what I would describe as a clean.

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Up ordinance, ordinance 2010, as you recall earlier this year, the council.

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Proposed and adopted an ordinance establishing rules for non-consensual.

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Towing performed within the city during that process, the administration and the.

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Council, I believe, as well express their preference that the rules.

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For both non-consensual or private, toes align with the rules in place for public.

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Toes or toes initiated by the bloomington police department by.

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Updating the rules for public toes ordinance 2010 creates one uniform set.

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Of rules for public and private, toes in bloomington having one uniform set of.

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Rules for both public and private toes number one makes it easier for members.

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Of the public to understand rules related to toeing number two, it makes it.

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Easier for telling companies to comply with the city's rules on toes and number.

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Three, it makes it easier for police officers and other city staff members to.

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Ensure that woman enforcing our towing rules they're doing it correctly.

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So to that end, ordinance 2010 proposes a handful of changes to the rules.

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Governing public toes number one, it increases the total based towing fee.

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That may be charged for public pools from one hundred and twenty five dollars to one hundred and thirty five dollars. Ordinance 2010 requires towing companies.

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To release a vehicle upon 20% of the total fees owed, provided that the owner.

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Of the vehicle signs, an agreement to pay the remaining balance in ordinance, 2010.

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Eyes that storage charges may not be assessed with regard to a towed vehicle.

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Until that vehicle has been in storage for at least 24 hours, those rules should.

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All sound very familiar, I hope, to the council, as they are the same rules that the council earlier this year as part of the non-consensual towing, ordinance and.

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So we ask that the council adopt proposed ordinance, 2010 and I'm happy to.

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Address any questions, thank you. Mr. rooker are other questions for mr.

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Rooker on ordinance 2010 do I see a hands. Anybody have questions about this.

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Ordinance, seeing no questions from my colleagues we'll go to the public for.

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Comment on ordinance 2010, if you are interested in speaking to it, please.

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Raise your hand at zoom or type into the chat. Is there anyone who would like to.

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Speak to ordinance 2010. Mr. lucas, I don't see anyone. Okay back to the.

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Council for debate is there any final comment at ordinance, 2010 only question.

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Some well there's no need to call the question: if there's simply no questions.

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Will I can go to the clerk for a roll call vote on ordinance 2010 as presented.

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Will the clerk please call the roll a.

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Muted, I see that councilmember simms, yes,.

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Don't remember going yes three months me. Yes,.

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Clarity. Yes, yes, sambar, yes, rolla, yes, scam, alert,.

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Yes, rosenberger. Yes, thank you.

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Ordinance 2010 passes 9-0. Mr. president, I moved that resolution 2008 be.

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Introduced in red by the clerk by title and synopsis, only second motion in a.

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Second, with a clerk, please call the roll on introduction of resolution 2008.

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That's memorable: yes, you mac smith; yes, clarity! Yes, man! Yes,.

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Sandburg, yes,.

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Yes, gambler, yes, where's the barber yes, and since yes would a clerk, please read.

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By title and synopsis resolution 2008 approving the city of bloomington's.

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Transportation management planning the synopsis is as follows. This resolution.

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Is sponsored by councilmember piedmont, smith, it cites the city of bloomington.

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Comprehensive plans, references to efficiently manage parking and to.

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Utilize transportation demand management strategies and accepts the 2020.

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Transportation management transportation demand management plan as an advisory.

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Document, thank you. Mr. president, I moved that resolution 2008 be adopted. Second.

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All right who is here to speak to 2008 counselor, p bond smith? Are you.

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Presenting or is staff presenting, I'm hoping that this rosenberger bath.

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Rosenberger, are you also presenting by audio only I am, but I will have images.

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On the screen as well, okay, we need to get some cameras to staff there. Just.

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Kidding go ahead; okay, let's see all right and.

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Everyone's seen my screen as well, yes, we could see her victim, both rosenberger.

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With the planning and transportation department, I am the planning services manager and I am here to predict the transportation.

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Demand management plan and I'm going to do my best to be brief, because I did.

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Receive a lot of really great and detailed questions from council members.

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So I'm confident you all read the plan and I hope you had a chance to to review.

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Those answers, but if not I'm happy to go over any question I can at the end of.

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The presentation as well, so I'm just to do an overview. I will talk generally.

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Just about transportation in terms of supply and demand.

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It feels really basic, but with transportation. Sometimes these are.

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Difficult for us to separate and a little complicated.

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Then transportation demand management. What do we mean when we say that what.

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Types of policies and programs- are we talking about I'll, go over just three.

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Key recommendations in the plan there are a lot of recommendations in the plan.

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I chose to just focus on three I'm happy to do my best to answer questions about.

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Any of them and then of course time for questions. So the first big note about.

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Transportation is that transportation is a derived demand. I think that is.

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Somewhat fancy term to mean what we actually demand is to get places. So we.

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Have to remember that from the beginning, it's quite basic, but we get lost because.

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We are so used to the systems that we have and how we fit within them. So it's.

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Just important to remember that people demand to get places and transportation.

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Is the way we get there? That's the derived demand and what.

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People choose is based on what is available to them, what they know about.

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Maybe what they know is available to them. There might be more things.

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Available, they don't know about what is convenient and what is incentivized in.

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Terms of easier and more so, it's very complicated.

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The way people make these decisions and remember that as well, there's not.

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Just one way that somebody makes a decision about how to get places that.

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Impacts everyone. So when we talk about transportation supply and the supply.

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Side of it we're talking about our streets, we're talking about motor.

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Vehicle lanes on streets, transit routes, transit gets a little trickier because.

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It's less tangible, sometimes if there's greater frequency on a route that is.

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Also, a supply if there are more bus stops, that is also a supply. If we add.

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Routes, even though that's not necessarily adding streets that is.

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Adding to supply sidewalks our supply solution, bicycle lanes or other bicycle.

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Facilities, trails and parking all of those are components of the supply side.

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Of our transportation system and when we look at supply solutions, what we're.

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Looking at is shifting behavior by adding to or removing from or doing.

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Anything with that supply, you could say, with a sidewalk, it could be by building.

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A sidewalk it could also be by adding a tree plot between a sidewalk and the.

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Street and that is still a supply-side solution, so, for example, add in a lane to.

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A streets increases, supply and increases driving.

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That's called induced demand or, for example, adding a trail such as the.

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B-Line increases supply and increases trail use and results in induced demand.

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For fun, we have I like to look at old photos and images of bloomington right.

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Here so this is an example of 10th street at the bypass from 2007 and then.

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From 2018 we can see a lot of supply with added here, so there are a lot more.

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Lanes added to this intersection in 2018 and that clearly they're also sidewalks.

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On both sides there were only sidewalks on one side previously, but this is very.

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Focused on us to play side solution. Similarly, we can look at.

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This image from 2007 we love people to guess for images are, but I won't let you.

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This is at 2nd street looking north and a supply that was pursued here is the.

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Beeline, and so previously you know, is an abandoned previously, with the rail line.

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Then abandoned then converted to a trail that is also a supply solution, so I.

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Think we mostly think of transportation in terms of supply and so the shift to.

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Demand is tricky, so some demand solutions are about shifting behavior.

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With information, education, incentives, programs and pricing- and this uses the.

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Infrastructure that is in place, so from the perspective of this plan, we are.

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Talking about any infrastructure that is, that already exists, it can also include.

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Infrastructure we add in the future, you know, maybe we will do other things to.

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Shift the supply of transportation facilities in our community, but we would.

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Still, couple want to couple that with demand solutions to let people know.

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About those facilities to encourage them to use them and so forth. So when we want.

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To look at examples of demand strategies, I am happy to get to use this that maybe.

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A lot of people have used or not. If you are familiar with uber or lyft, when you.

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Try to call a ride on uber or lyft during this was uber during certain.

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Times where there's a lot of demand, there's a thing called a surcharge or.

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The search sorry so that means uber is responding to this increased demand by.

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Increasing the price which therefore results and usually fewer people taking.

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It, but they also use it as a tool to increase the supply of drivers. So if a.

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Driver fee that they could make nine times the normal amount they might.

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Choose to come out and then it shifts more rapidly than we see in our.

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Transportation system, so pricing is an example of a demand-side solution, so.

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Price changing pricing, impacts, demand and high demand can result in higher.

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Prices another fun example of this. I would ask.

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You to think about, if you have driven yourself ever to the indianapolis.

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Airport or to any airport for a trip that you are taking. So if you traveled.

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To the airport consider how parking pricing the structures at the airport as.

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You drive up to if you want to get to the terminal, the closest parking spaces.

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Cost the most we're actually very used to this. I think, if you are someone who.

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Gets to fly places, you make your choice, I would say: how does the cost of parking.

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At the airport impact your decisions, there, do you ignore these, or do you take.

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Into consideration different prices in the different lots.

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In terms of where you're parking your car, there might be times that you are.

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Making a very short trip there and you are late and you are willing to park in.

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A closer a lot to save the time and pay more money. There are other times that.

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You are planning ahead and do get there earlier and park farther away. There.

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Might even be other times that you know you're going to be gone for a long time.

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And you look into taking into airport shuttle, but this was just for the.

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Pricing at the airport and then additionally, you might be familiar there.

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Are parking lots not even at the airport, so the farther away you get, though,.

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There's usually even cheaper, and I think we could agree that the price of parking.

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And the different lots impacts your choices that you make when you're. If.

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You're parking at the airport so in terms of transportation, demand.

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Management we're looking at using demand based strategies to shift behavior, so I.

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Think that's similar to thinking about the airport parking lot. It does not.

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Include adding infrastructure, adding bus routes or adding bus service.

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It does include reducing or combining trips parking pricing.

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Incentive programs, and more so one example, that's discussed in the plan- is.

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About carpool and vanpool in- and that is because this is focused on getting.

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People to work, so if people are going to the same destination, you can incentivize.

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That trip by or incentivize sharing a ride or carpooling through both the cost.

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Of parking permits as a carpool parking space that permit could cost less than.

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Other permits that parking space can be more attractively located. You can do.

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Different things along those lines to help incentivize that it could be that.

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Your employer will even cover the cost of a carpool parking space, but does not.

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Cover the cost of a single occupancy vehicle parking space or if they chip in.

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The same amount, you will pocket some extra if you're in the carpool spot, so.

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That's one example of the strategy. This also does include educating employees.

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And employers and residents about options that may be available to them.

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Now so there's discussion of what facilities we do have that exist and.

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Sometimes people actually don't know about them, as it turns out. I usually.

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Have a hard time remembering this as I'm very familiar with the streets in.

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Bloomington but not everybody knows necessarily about a neighborhood.

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Greenway option that might be really close to them or a more comfortable way.

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To connect to the b-line or something along those lines- and this does include.

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Understanding that providing parking is providing a fringe benefit to employees.

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As well, so when we think of incentives and shifting demand, of course, we have to.

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Look at our system now and how that's functioning. So if an employer provides a.

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Parking place to employees. Imagine of course there are some employees who.

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Don't own a car or don't are unable to drive to work for some for any reason, if.

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They are not provided something of equal value, then they are missing out on a.

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Benefit a fringe benefit that other employees are receiving. So when we look.

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At parking and parking pricing, we have to remember that there's a value.

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Associated with that and if you're looking to shift a behavior, you need to.

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Find ways to provide that value to to all employees really so shifting two key.

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Recommendations in the plan, the big one is to hire new staff or additional staff.

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The plan recommends 2.5 employees, so 2 full-time staff and one part-time staff.

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Member, it does a great job. There's a detailed budget and information included.

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In the plan, I'm happy to do my best to answer any questions about that and.

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Staff recommend, starting with one employee and building a program so start.

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With one person, one full-time staff and work on building that and continuing to.

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Expand from there and any questions say, I think, there's often just a question.

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And can't can't we do this already. That would be great. I would be happy to.

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Enumerate the things everybody on my team is doing and how challenging it.

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Would be to fully commit to doing this program while adding it on to existing.

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Positions and the final people have very specific expertise and transportation.

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Demand management and so thinking of hiring new staff to take those roles on.

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It would be a great benefit to hire people who specialized in this as well.

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Another key recommendation is implementing car share. If you know there.

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Are many residents of neighborhood parking zones that do not use their.

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Vehicles daily, yet they own and maintain the vehicle and they parked those.

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Vehicles on public streets, we know that because there.

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A neighborhood parking zone pass and car share is a tool to provide vehicles that.

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Serve more people and take up less space, so each car share vehicle different.

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Estimates a reduces 15 to 20 other vehicles. If they're, you know memberships.

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And people subscribe to that program, so this recommendation came specifically.

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From looking at the residential parking survey and that involved a survey that.

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Went out to neighborhood parking zone residents who were purchasing parking.

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Zone permits- and that also involves some follow-up question, so it involved asking.

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Them how they commute on a daily basis and what days they use their car and.

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What are the purposes of the trips for which they're using a car, and it did.

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Find that most were or a lot were errands and most we're not using a car.

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To commute to work, so these are neighborhoods that are close to the.

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Downtown usually close to downtown and campus and really examined what would be.

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Effective strategies there so when we look at car share, it's a nice.

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Infographic I found for every rented car. There are 15 fewer owned cars on the.

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Road when we think specifically about parking and we think of the space that.

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Might mean this is a block on 6th street between lincoln and grant just on the.

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North side of the monroe county, public library, there are actually 14. You can.

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See 14 parking spaces right now on the street, so it's 14 metered spaces and.

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Imagine if one car was doing the work of those 14, that's on the low side, actually.

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So we can also think of one car. There are other estimates that they can.

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Replace 20, that is one side of the square on the courthouse, so I think it's.

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Nice to just put that space into perspective both of these examples, I'm.

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Using were faster for me to find than a neighborhood zone, but this would be.

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More relevant to the neighborhoods, where those parking parking zones are.

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Established but I just wanted to use these as visual since we're familiar.

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With these spaces- and the third recommendation I'm touching on is to.

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Increase parking pricing, so the plan recommended to increase pricing for.

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Parking permits, it also recommends looking at different permit payment.

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Options- and that means how often people pay or what their permit is covering so.

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That means offering different types of permits, such as carpool and vanpool.

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Permits that also means the time period allotment for a permit. So if it's daily.

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Or weekly, or a certain number of days in a month is, if you think about it, right.

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Now, if your only option is to buy a month long permit, and then you choose to.

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Are able to walk bike, take transit carpool one day or once a week you have.

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Already paid for your permit, so you're less likely to make that shift so sunk.

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Cost you might as well drive at that point, but if you are able to pay for.

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Something that gives you some flexibility, then it is helping. You see.

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The financial incentive for shifting that behavior and the plan talks about I.

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Would say you know it's broken down into two groups.

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It focuses on downtown employees and then neighborhood residents with.

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Neighborhood parking zone permits and it focuses based on a stakeholder group.

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About occupancy vehicles you system plan, if the goal is to reduce that we need to.

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Think of how we will measure success, so we know one metric would be reduced.

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Single occupancy vehicle commute rate to the downtown, but in order to measure.

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That, in conjunction with the success of the downtown they recommended looking at.

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Other economic indicators of the downtown, in conjunction with that, so that we would know people are still coming.

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Downtown and people are still doing business and.

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Working downtown they're just getting there differently, and so this graphic is.

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From the national association for transportation, wait.

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Transportation, city, officials and macto- and I think it does a great job because.

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What I think is important to reiterate with transportation demand management.

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And this plan is we're not trying in any way to discourage people from coming.

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Downtown or from getting around town, we are trying as a community, to look at our.

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Goals and find efficient ways for people to do that and ways that meet our goal.

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And so when we look, this graphic shows you the capacity of a single 10-foot.

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Lane and how many people move within that safe. So, even if we reduce single.

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Occupancy vehicle used to the downtown, we can look at how we are shifting and.

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Providing ways for more people to get there, so my only point is just if it.

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Reduces it doesn't mean fewer people are going downtown and the scene of my.

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Presentation- this is a graphic I am borrowing from austin texas, but that's.

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It thank you mr. rosenberger yeah there can we unshared the screen, so we can see.

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People again are there any questions about the city's proposed transportation.

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Demand management plan from councilmembers. My up skiing is up.

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Getting very slowly so it's hard for me to see.

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Some remember rosenberger. Thank you. Mr. simms rosenberger go ahead. Hi thanks.

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Yeah, okay, I have a question this well. I did ask this in the in the 30-something.

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Question list, but I just kind of want to go over it a little more and you touched.

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On it, um thanks very much for your presentation, the idea of measuring.

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Success to me, based on economic development, seems very difficult. I mean.

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Right now, right we're in code bedtimes. We don't know what that's going to look.

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Like so, what would that look? Like I mean: where would we get a baseline for.

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That would it be dollars. Would it be people, I guess to me? It just feels very.

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Disconnected if the goal of tdm is to reduce sov, you then marry that with a.

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With a success that is about economic development, downtown okay, is that the.

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End of the question: sorry, it is yes, okay, so the question about is.

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It, how would that be measured and then is that I guess the best metric. I am not.

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Completely sure how it would be measured, I think first, that is something we would.

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Want to work out with someone that we hire to do this full-time, but that it.

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Doesn't have to be set in stone from this moment, I think we know that a goal.

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Is to reduce single occupancy vehicle trips that one we can measure through.

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Surveys- and we can continue to get that data point and that one let's say even.

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The surveys are difficult and time-consuming, but that is relatively.

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Straightforward what I think the stakeholders wanted to capture by that.

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Other part is to know that, in conjunction with those reduced single.

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Occupancy vehicle trips that downtown continues to be vibrant and I think.

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There could be lots of ways of measuring that. I don't think it has to be just one.

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Like it doesn't need to only be downtown gdp or something, but I think that could.

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Continue to be a conversation, and that would love a kind of vibrant downtown.

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Metrics that could be considered for that as well.

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Okay, yes thanks my follow up question on that is, and.

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Maybe this would, you know, be for like that, for you higher, if we, if we hire.

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Someone could we, if we're looking at economic development, you know, could it.

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Also be tied in somehow like figure out how people are getting downtown like.

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What they're spending their money on so sort of, like I bike to this restaurant.

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Right or like I spent money in a bookstore I walked here so then we would.

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Also get metrics on right who's coming in what ways and like who's spending.

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Money just because I've seen some infographics about how much biking the.

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Bike industry can bring in terms of economic development. I think that would.

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Be neat if we could have that metric too.

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I think I don't personally know how to do that, but I think it's something that.

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Could be explored because the tdm and these strategies are focused actually on.

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Employees, we would maybe also want to think of workforce. Metrics could look at.

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That and could look at other well-being metrics. I basically would say yes, I.

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Think that is something worth looking into, but I don't have more. I guess.

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Expertise on it to contribute at this time hope you thank you.

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Katzman over piedmont, smith had her hand up in trance morello. Yes, I had a.

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Question about the car share program, so in your survey of downtown residents it.

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Was noted that many do not use their car every day and many youth use it.

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Primarily on weekends, so if we have a car share program, I'm wondering if I'm.

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Predicting the problem that everybody will want those few cars at the same.

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Time on a weekend, so could you talk about that a little bit, please.

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Yes, so basically, if there's high demand for the car share, the consultants wells.

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And associate to put the plan together did recommend who- and I forget it- was it.

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20, starting with 20 vehicles, I'm sorry I'd have to look it up really fast. In.

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The plan, but that is based on demand so another way to look at it, would be well.

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How do we deal with all the all the parking for the vehicles as well? If.

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Everybody has one, but I think it's something that has to be tinkered with.

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And figured out over time, but people who run car shares do work on those.

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Equations and figure that out as the system regularly so I think, based on the.

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Demand I mean that similar, it's similar to a bike share.

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Scooter share it's just that it's a car, so I think, looking at the population.

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The target audience for subscriptions and getting managing that would be part.

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Of ensuring it could be successful because I think if people go to the car.

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Share and don't find a car there they're less likely to continue subscribing.

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There and so on, and I think another thing would be even if people are using.

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Their cars on the weekend are, they are using them. At the same time, I don't.

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Think these aren't people based on the survey. The types of trips were talking.

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About our errands in town, so not I'm taking the car away for the weekend to.

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Go visit, my family, so would somebody shift their errands potentially based on.

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The availability of the car and they also have an option to reserve it in.

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Different strategies like that, so I think that's something that would be.

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Considered with the program- and we would just want to make sure there are enough.

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Vehicles to to make it successful for users. Thank you.

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Katzman burello mr. rosenberger and I had a question about methodology and I.

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Noted that the response rate of the downtown employees survey was only 9%.

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And could you speak to that in terms of potential bias because it seems with so.

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Few respondents, you could have you know different demographic groups, represented.

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Or age groups or surface employees versus other employees, and could you.

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Also explain you know with such a low response rate. Why was only 10 days given.

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For the for people to respond, yes, thank you. I'm trying to pull it up quickly as.

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Well, so I think- and I wish I did have the consultant here statistically.

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Speaking, it is a high response rate for this survey. The aim.

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Was 10% and it got really close to that? Oh again, 12.

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Oops, sorry, not that one, so they did statistical analysis to a level that I.

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Am is just actually very good in terms of the survey and look at how.

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Statistically significant the answers were and the amount of potential error.

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In those responses as well, so I think there is potential for bias, but looking.

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At the the error that they included in there is something to keep in mind so.

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The margin of error they have is 2.8, three percent and I'll say the total.

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Number of downtown employees of 13,000 people was based on a number from.

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Downtown bloomington inc, it did actually just look it up in their records and.

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It's slightly under 13,000, twelve thousand two hundred and eighty four.

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Which actually increases that and reduces the margin of error, but it does.

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Not include iu employees, which people do think often or I should say it does not.

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Include iu campus, there are a few iu offices throughout the downtown and.

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Those employees could have been counted and could have responded to this, but it.

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Was based on the geographic location of the employer so use the same boundaries.

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That downtown bloomington inc uses for that. So mainly I might disrespect. I.

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Respectfully say I disagree about how low that response rate is the 10 days.

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Was still based on a recommendation from the consultants and that we were trying.

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To hit a target number of responses and we were really close to it and then the.

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Time of year made it just a little challenging as well, but I think I.

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Answered but kind of roundabout sorry, no! No! It's good.

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So you know I, since the consultants- not here, I don't have the opportunity to ask.

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About like weighting or whether you know certain.

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You know groups were filtered or went, but is that data is that raw data.

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Available to us could could we could we get that the survey response, in' and so.

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Forth and who answered and so forth just so we could also you know, because a.

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Lot is riding on this. Obviously you know the conclusions. Yes, sorry. Yes, we can.

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Of course, the answers were anonymous. Participation in the survey it did ask.

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Questions about income, but it did not ask a lot of demographic questions and.

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Part of that was the trade-off between keeping the survey as short as possible.

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In order for people to take it, the more questions that you ask people bail on a.

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Survey and stop taking it, and also with some personal information people get.

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Weary to share that as well, but I can I'm happy to follow up and find the raw.

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Data and make that available and if you have other detailed questions about it,.

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As well, please feel free. I can, and I can try to get those answers as well, that.

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Would be helpful. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Any further questions on.

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Resolution 2008, council member smith and then scam valerie. There are some.

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Questions that I sent, I don't know if mr. rosenberger is going to address the.

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Questions that we sent her the questions that were answered already, did you.

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Wanted to go over those, though the ones that I sent in about. You worry about the.

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Cost to the city, I know you asked you. Are you asking a follow-up question.

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Based on the written answers that they provided already.

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I don't have any written answers to many questions, so I don't point of.

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Information they were sent out to an email in an email to all council members.

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It looks like this afternoon, along with other a few other supplemental materials.

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From mr. lucas right, that's what I was trying to get it at mr. smith. Did you.

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Want to ask her to go over some of the answers to your questions, or do you have.

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New new questions: yes, okay! Well, just just a point of information: we got those.

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Pretty late in the day and I did send out an email, I didn't have time to issue.

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Another supplement to our meeting packet, but I did send those on to council.

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Members, it was, it was late in the afternoon, so he may not have seen those.

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Today, so go ahead, so if I understand it, the program budget is about $500,000, a.

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Year and so one of the questions that I wanted to ask was, what are the benefits.

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For that expenditure and meaning how many people, if we're gonna use decrease.

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The single ah cubes to use from sixty to something percent to 60 percent, how many.

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People does that mean in in that process.

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Yes, thank you and I can add my apologies. I know you all did receive the answers.

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Pretty late, we tried to answer all of them and I know I received them earlier.

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So my apologies on that and part of the challenge was yesterday. We were closed.

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But let me touch base on that. So what are the benefit? The first thing I would.

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Take, I would note, is that I know we continue to say the goal of reducing.

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Single occupancy vehicle use from 62% to 60%, but what we found from the downtown.

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Employee survey is at 78% of downtown workers drive to work alone, so the 62%.

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Number of commuters comes from the us census, and it is only measuring people.

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Who live within the city of bloomington and, of course, around the city at any.

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Geographic point or destination it could be higher than that or lower than that.

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But part of it is that commuters who come to downtown are also coming from.

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Outside the city, so some live within the city and live you know, art can take a.

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Bus and some live outside of city limits. So when we look at the difference of 78%.

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Single occupancy vehicle use to the downtown compared with 60%. That's.

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Actually, a shift based on 13,000 downtown employees in 2340 single.

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Occupancy vehicle commutes, so I would say a major benefit of the program if we.

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Can achieve that shift would be that reduction in sov, commute and depending.

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On the distances of those commutes and what mode they shift to, that would.

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Represent a significant reduction in greenhouse gas emissions, as well as.

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Reductions in traffic and other forms of air pollution and, additionally, when we.

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Reduce vehicle miles traveled by motor motor vehicle safety improves because.

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The more vehicle miles traveled, the more crashes there are. So I know that's not.

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Quantified, I think somebody would be able to put.

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Numbers to that, if we do an average distance for the commute and then look.

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At the greenhouse gas emissions and that in 2340 commute shifting mode would be.

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Pretty significant, and so that's my that would be my answer, I guess on the what.

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You get out of it it and what is the cost to the city budget per annum? Let me.

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Pull up the page really quickly, I looked at a bunch of numbers. I read the plan.

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Very carefully, we have to have a match and a funding.

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Stream is that 20% of $500,000, so it depends on how the program is funded. The.

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Federal funds are one route, although also not guaranteed local funds. Then.

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Would be the full amount in terms of looking at the program budget? It would.

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Be lower to start with fewer people, of course, and so I'm sorry, the total yeah.

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For year, one where it includes 2.5 staff members with four hundred and ninety.

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Thousand dollars, some of the cost are really parts of the city budget already.

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But in terms of you know, offices and things like that. That would obviously.

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Benefit from being housed with an entity that exists, but in terms of I guess, a.

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Detailed examination of what we would be looking to request in the budget, I think.

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I have to defer to my department, head and kind of see what would be proposed.

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At the budget time that I know, I don't think the we're making a request for.

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That full amount at this time and does it say in the transportation plan that.

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The part of the idea is perhaps the fund that the tdm program and we may increase.

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Parking fees 50% or greater, or is it just the permits that are 50% or greater.

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That's a good question: my understanding is the focus on parking pricing in the.

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Report is parking permits for employees downtown, which are overwhelmingly garage.

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Permits or permits for a lot, and that is where the discussion of 50% is and then.

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The neighborhood parking zone permits were a separate conversation or separate.

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Recommendation that said it you should. The city should look at.

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Increasing it to more than $40 a month where they are currently forty five.

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Dollars a year, in other conversation with the consultants they did say.

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Parking and pricing is complicated, not surprising, and that, looking at how much.

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You would increase and over what time would be something you would do in a.

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Very detailed analysis and their analysis was focused just on shifting.

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Behavior, so it's a bit more blunt and that they would recommend doing a deeper.

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Dive on that, before you just jump in you, wouldn't do a jump in and start with a.

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50% increase and then they have one more question and I'm sorry that I didn't see.

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All the the canet was down all around the city for a while. I read it and I.

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Thought about it for a few days as well. Are the initiatives to adopt a.

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Transportation demand plan and build new parking garages. Does that seem in.

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Opposition- I think so we did answer this and the questions that one would be a.

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Supply-Side, well, I would say the plan is a demand, focused plan and parking falls.

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Under supply the supply side and then the ways that we regulate parking is.

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Falls under the demand side, so I think they.

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Go together, I guess, but but yeah. I think we have to examine the supply. We have.

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And then how we use it to the best of our ability or most efficiently to reach.

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Our goal seems like if we did a great job at the tdm. Maybe we don't need one.

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Of the parking garages- well, that's that was my that's what my head, so thank you.

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Very much for entertaining my questions and I'm sorry I didn't have. I didn't see.

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Him when they came through so thank you.

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That's very fair: they came out late and then apparently the internet has been.

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Off you know, like you, said, in a lot of the city, so thank you yeah. Thank you.

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Thank you. Are there further questions for resolution 2008 from members who.

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Have not yet had a chance to ask questions. Councillor bruce campbell.

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Larry. Thank you. First, a quick question to mr. lucas. Just to confirm: will the.

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Questions and answers that we received this afternoon be available on the.

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Website as well for the public, we can certainly post another supplement to the.

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Packet, we got those answers and a few presentation materials that ended up not.

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Being used tonight during the reports section that we can post to the packet.

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All right, okay, because the questions I think themselves were informative as.

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Were the answers so mr. rosenberger, thank you for your presentation very.

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Helpful and I learned a lot from reading this report, so I'm grateful a couple.

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Things I want to nudge on a little bit. One of the questions I asked focused on.

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The fact that the proposed sources of revenue that are going to pay for all.

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This are kind of unreliable money for the.

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Long term the particularly the federal money seems like good start up, but it's.

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Not typically meant to be sustained over time, and then your response was if the.

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Tdm plan recommends identifying a sustainable revenue stream and that.

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Could mean funding? Can you talk more about what.

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That means, and perhaps what fort collins, colorado and portland maine the two.

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Cities that we were benchmarked against what did they do to do that? Because I.

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Guess I'm still not clear on what local funding means is that property taxes is.

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That something else great question I generally may be too cynically think.

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That no funding source is reliable, but so I think local funding, I'm sorry. I.

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Would have to dig into it a little bit more in terms of the peer community, so.

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Our mainly some have options that we don't have in terms of air quality.

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Funding, so that's off the table for us. Luckily, our air is clean enough that we.

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Don't qualify for that, but it does mean we don't have that money.

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So portland maine it comes from the city's operating budget and then in fort.

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Collins they do a combination of federal state and local. I would have to reach.

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Out a follow-up to find out what that local means, but I tend to assume that.

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Means the city's operating budget so, like you were saying yes, that would be.

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Property taxes there were other recommendations of if, within the plan,.

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You can use parking funding there parking revenue to support a program.

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Like this as well, but mainly those are the predominant local options that I can.

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Think of, but I would also note you know, others in the administration will know.

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More about budget options honestly than I do I'd be interested in knowing more.

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About what that could be, and I'm curious, do you happen to know if.

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You don't know right now, that's fine, but did fort collins or portland or any of.

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The cities mentioned in the report raise taxes, raise property taxes to do this or.

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Do a lip pay for their program.

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I don't know offhand, but it just says the city's operating budget, so I would.

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Think and maybe someone could weigh in on that.

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That'll, it is, I don't know if a litt count outside of the operating budget or.

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Not I would think the operating budget is more similar to just how our.

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Department is funded, but I so did they raise taxes or I'll. Look into that and.

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Circle back, okay, great and one additional question, and I may well be.

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The only one struggling with this, but the report talked about the differences.

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Between carrots and sticks, carrots, as things that will identify people to do.

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Something other than drive alone in a car and sticks as something that that.

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Would, in a sense, almost penalize people who do, and the report talked about the.

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Desire to to to use more carrots than sticks- and I think that's great.

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One of the things I asked about is public transit and I appreciate that.

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That's a supply-side solution. I represent a district for which large.

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Swaths are either unserved or underserved by public transit and so.

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Cars are the option for getting downtown and there are no walkable paths to do.

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That either and so for me, I'm having a really hard time separating out supply-side solutions and demand-side solutions.

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Because they seem so intertwined to me- and I was wondering if you could comment.

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On that and whether we're moving toward a comprehensive list of responses to.

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This or how that's going to play out, that was a really big question. I'm sorry.

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But I'm hopefully you got the gist. Yes, that was really big thanks. So I think.

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The first part is, there are areas that aren't served by transit and so do.

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People have other options who live there so first I would break that down and.

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Just say the the plan is about down in terms of if that area.

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Is not a neighborhood parking zone, so it is focusing on then shifting behavior of.

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Downtown employees, so how many people in that area are downtown employees and.

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Then, if they are, one option is they're going to the same destination. Maybe they.

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Live close together, and so carpool is what we would look at for that, so that.

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It doesn't mean right now that everyone could shift to the bus or everybody.

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Could shift to walking, but we have to look at what ochs existing options are.

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Available to them, and so carpool might be that option it could mean they pay.

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Less than for a parking pass, and it could mean they get a preferred or.

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Better parking spot and that might be the best option for them right now,.

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Another thing to consider is most likely: there are people within that area who.

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Already don't have those facilities and are making other choices, even though.

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They are uncomfortable and those people if their employer is providing a parking.

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Path but they can't afford a car are losing out on that benefit, so they would.

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Benefit from some option that's made available to them or a transit pass.

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Maybe if they can walk to a transit route that is even closer than.

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Compared with nothing, but then I think supply-side solutions are still on the.

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Table and they're very much things we still need to do as a community, so.

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Looking at transportation demand management doesn't mean we should stop.

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Pursuing those things whatsoever, I am, I would say, I specialized in.

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Infrastructure design or walking and bicycling, and we know it's important to.

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Continue to build that infrastructure and make it increase bus and do other.

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Things to make those options available to more people. I think that we just have.

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To think of these as payard and that they will work together, because you know.

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That's how that's how we can have more shifts, but it's just that this plan is.

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Still, you know we can make some shifts based on what.

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Have in place so how do we look at making those shift and it's not about.

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Changing 50% of the population, but it's about changing, 3% or 5%, or something.

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Like that, does that answer your question sort of yeah? It's a hard question to.

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Answer so so no worries there, but just a comment in response to that. I.

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Think again, I I'm at least one of the people who has a hard time sort. You know.

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Dividing up supply-side solutions and demand-side solutions so, as conversation.

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Goes forward on this report I'll be asking okay exactly what are we talking.

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About in each of those categories because, as you've said, they do have to go together. So it's hard for me to separate them out, but I just offer that.

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And with that I'll yield, thank you. Thank you. Any further questions on resolution.

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2008 customer wood, who'd first-round questions. I would like to ask 1 ms.

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Rosenberger, the the price of garage parking has to be set in conjunction.

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With the price of street parking right, because if garage parking goes higher,.

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Than street parking that it might cause people who are partying for employment.

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To park and spots on the street that are for customers and more itinerant.

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Visitors doesn't changing the rate of.

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Austria parking dictate that we also change proportionally the rate of on.

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Street parking.

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Thank you for your question. I would I agree that they have to be examined as a.

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Parking system and that, looking as a that, what what outcomes we want from the.

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Different parking options- and I don't agree necessarily with proportionally.

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Me in your statement, but I do agree that the purpose of metered parking is to.

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Provide a quick most often for visible option to people, and that, if you are.

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Making a shopping trip downtown it. You might more often to a metered convenient.

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Spot compared with the willingness to look for a spot in a garage and block.

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Potentially, walk a little bit farther, so I would say professionally. I agree that.

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They're connected and that they have to be looked at as a system and that the.

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Prices have to have a relationship in that the purpose of a garage is more.

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Often longer term parking and more often less convenient parking, but we also do.

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Have to look at that as a system and decide if that is correct for all of our.

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Garages and for all of our meters, as there is variety among both of those and.

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A lot as well, I didn't I misspoke when I used the word.

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Proportional it's! It's really entirely a matter of the market in a given area, the.

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Demand within a small area I mean that's, I appreciate the distinction. Thank you.

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Further questions on resolution: 2008, councilmember, piedmont, smith. Yes, I.

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Wanted to ask, and mainly for the benefit of the public. Since I know the answer.

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Basically, but I wanted to make sure the public understands to what extent there.

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Was public input and stakeholder input into the development of this plan so.

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Could you please describe that? Yes, I can't thank you so this plan. I would.

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First, explain is different than a comprehensive plan and it is different.

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Than the transportation plan- and it is different because it is not based on.

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Adopting new community goals, or based on, I would say, changing land land use.

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In our community, it is based on programs and policies around what we do already.

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Have in place and developing programs and policies that are in line with the.

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Goals that have been adopted, so this plan was developed by a consulting firm.

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Called wells & associates and they engaged a stakeholder group. That was, I.

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Would say almost predominately focused on the business community as well as.

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Some other groups in the downtown we had a representative from the bloomington.

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Arts, commission, we had representative from the chamber of commerce, the edc.

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Downtown bloomington inc. We also reached out to places that didn't participate.

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But that happened as well as the some from the monroe county, public library.

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I believe participated in several stakeholder meetings, so it was more.

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Based on input with a stakeholder group where each of those stakeholders is.

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Representative of a larger group and then based on statistical analysis of.

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Surveys so the survey of downtown employees, which we discussed and then a.

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Survey of residents who purchased neighborhood parking zone permits and.

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There is an additional follow-up survey of some people who did the neighborhood.

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Parking zone permits so, in terms of I mean I think, it's very open to say this.

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Is less of a public engagement based plan and more of a technical expertise.

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Plan developed based on adopted community goals, so I don't think of this.

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As establishing new goals, but rather providing recommendations that we as a.

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City could choose from more like a buffet in terms of implementation, that.

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Was a long answer, but did I address the question? Yes, you did and I appreciate.

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Putting it into context as well. Thank thank you for their questions on.

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Resolution 2008 customer rosenberger. Thank you. My.

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Question is okay, so thinking about the businesses participating in this, I know.

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So the plan the plan said we have five businesses that are already engaged in.

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Some kind of program or incentive right for their employees not drive their own.

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Vehicles and park, so how likely is it the downtown businesses will participate.

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One way in another or another in this plan.

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I guess just kind of like compared to maybe what the consultant saw other.

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Cities like how successful that was, and then I noticed that the chamber wasn't.

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On that list of five, I don't think they were on that list. So did the the.

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Consultants look at how chambers get involved in these plans because you know.

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Just thinking about how many small businesses there are downtown and if the.

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Chamber can be like a leader in this and like set an example, and maybe you know.

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Potentially, I don't know how you joined the chamber, but it'd be something where.

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Like hey, you can join if you have a few input in one of these plans or you can.

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Get a discount and you're joining see if you implement one of these plan so.

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Basically, my questions are: how likely is it that businesses participate in these.

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Types of plans, because I know a lot of it- has to be implemented as a business level and then do you know anything about how chambers have been involved in.

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Implementing these other cities- okay, thank you. So how likely is it that.

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Businesses participate that, I think, depends on staffing so to a certain.

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Extent, working with the business community and a lot of these.

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Recommendations are employer based, so it takes a significant staff time to the.

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Work individually with different businesses throughout the downtown, so.

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You know there are a lot of different businesses will have different, unique.

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Attributes but let's say a staff member can then develop. Here is what a parking.

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Cash out play and will look like. Let me meet with you and talk about it and let's talk about how you might need some of this to be.

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Changed in order to use it your business or, let's talk about if you would like to.

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Participate in the three transit pass to employees and how you sign up for that.

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And how do you provide this information to employees and, to a certain extent, it.

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Is a staff person creating those materials and providing them to.

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Employers so, instead of every small business doing that on their own and.

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Doing that research, it would really be a you know how, if its house in the city.

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The city person say the city staff member, providing those informational and.

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Marketing materials to employers, so I think they're likeliness of.

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Participating would be based, I think, on the ability to have a successful program.

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And the ability to provide that for them and do that work for employers who are.

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Managing a lot, of course, especially at a time like this and then also in terms of looking at how it benefits them. So not just we want you.

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To do this for the community, but let's talk about how your employees are.

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Getting to work now or let's talk about employee happiness and that we have.

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Shifted, obviously, this during the pandemic to an unprecedented level of.

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Working from home and remote work, so we are in this space where so many.

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Employers never have have not adopted remote work policies and we've been.

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Thrown into it so now some employees might be happier working from home. One.

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Or two days a week, so let's talk with the employers and work with them and.

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Have you know like tear out policies they can take and put in their employee.

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Handbook of like this is what it means to work remote. This is how we develop.

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Expectations of each other, so that that's my answer about how likely is it.

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That businesses will participate. I think it's as likely as the effort we put in.

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And I think it's also hopefully, some positive peer pressure from other.

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Members of the business community, it could.

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Doing some sort of designation businesses can apply to be.

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Bicycle-Friendly businesses, so looking at auctions like.

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That to positively recognize businesses that are really trying to help us meet.

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Our city goals and then the greater bloomington chamber of commerce did.

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Participate, they were a stakeholder in in this process and yeah. I think they're.

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Because they work with so many businesses in the area, there are.

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Opportunities for business organizations like that or business advocacy groups to.

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Try to work with the businesses they represent as well, and definitely answer.

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Yes, thank you. That was good, I'm sorry yeah and what I meant was, I didn't think.

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They were one of the five businesses that offer transit like have a contract.

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With transit, beauty, transit and that's what I meant, I'm sorry yeah it's time to.

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Get to a public comment: are there any second-round questions final? Stick.

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Around questions from members seeing none, let's go to the public. Is there a.

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Member of the public who would like to address resolution 2008. If so, please.

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Raise your hand and zoom or type into the chat. Mr. lucas, we have mr. greg.

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Alexander up first, who should be unmuted and ready to comment. Mr. alexander.

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Please go ahead. Thank you. I'm greg alexander hi. This is.

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Pretty exciting, it's also a little bit frustrating because I'm sure some of you.

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Guys remember: buff brown and b.top: we've been kind of arguing for this. These kind.

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Of policies, you know like parking cash out for 15 years now, and we've been.

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Doing some of this kind of research of counting garages and trying to do.

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Transportation surveys downtown to figure out. You know how do people get to.

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Downtown businesses we've been doing that, I'm all along too. So it's really.

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Exciting that now staff could potentially be doing some of that work.

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Because that, hopefully, will inform supply side decisions.

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One thing I want to draw attention to it's been remarks before, but this is a.

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Verbatim quote from the report most important finding from the follow-up.

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Survey of downtown residents is that most downtown residents are indiana.

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University students who use their cars infrequently and not for commuting.

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Purposes- and you saw that same when they surveyed people who had core.

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Neighborhood parking permits they had that same finding that, even though they.

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Had a car, they mostly did not drive to campus, not drive to work, and I can.

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Really confirm that you know I counted 353 spot garage, that's owned by an.

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Apartment complex at xi and xi and rogers eleventh and morton about and it.

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Has that pattern you know I was counting occupancy which never exceeded 52%, but.

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It also it had, you know you can tell a lot of these cars. Don't move during the.

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Week I counted it intensely on a weekend and yeah. A lot of them did move on the.

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Weekend, but not every car all at once, so I do think that we won't need to replace.

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We won't need to have the same number of rental cars, for example. That's something.

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That we could answer if the city could actually study that problem. You know I I.

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Spent just a few hours, counting it maybe 10 hours getting the garage, but a staff.

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Member could throw a lot more detailed analysis at that and I found the same.

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Thing also at the city-owned garage at morton and 7th, that's largely used by I.

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Think smallwood students and you could really tell that there was the first for.

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The first four floors of that garage were 100% full and the cars were not.

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Moving every car that came in and out of that garage for a you know a daily day.

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To day, trip had to go through four floors of full parking to get to an.

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Empty spot, and so they get the impression that the garage is full, but the top two floors are completely empty. You know, and that's all because of.

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People who have cars that we have subsidized the storage we've given them.

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Incentives that they feel like they have to have a car but they're not actually.

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Using them and so they'll be really receptive, we change the incentive.

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Structure and one more thing to keep in mind, is that.

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This kind of incentive structure when they have a car, they use it for their.

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Errands that encourages them if they need to go shopping, they're gonna go to.

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Target you know they're gonna go to target instead of fig millions literally.

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We're saying that if you have a shopping errand, you should think of it as a car.

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Trip and that discourages stores downtown from being open at all and.

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That's why we don't have anywhere downtown to buy basic staples that we.

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You know if you want this kind stuff, you have to go to the east side. Well, that's.

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Because we make it so that the incentives are set, everybody that lives.

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Downtown has a car, so I'm really excited at the possibility of changing some of.

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Those incentives- and I think it really will be a worthwhile investment, because the city has spent just in last year, what 30 million dollars on parking.

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Garages- and so we really need to be studying that problem before we spend.

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More money on on parking and the city spending on parking itself is actually a.

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Small part of the puzzle, because we we also require parking out of private.

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Developers- and so you know, each one of these changes could potentially have.

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Very long, ranging effect and could save millions of dollars for multiple parties.

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Public and private, at the same time as encouraging more business downtown.

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Thank you very much. Thank you, mr. lucas. Any other members of the public who wish.

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To speak to this issue, yes up next, we've got mary morgan, who.

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Should be unmuted and ready to comment, please go ahead. Thank you.

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So I'm mary morgan, I'm director of advocacy and public policy for the.

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Greater bloomington chamber of commerce- and I heard you all talking about the.

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Chamber so I just wanted to hop on and give our perspective. Yes, we're very.

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Interested we participated in the tdm stakeholder group because transportation.

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Is a big issue for obviously residents, but also businesses and trying to you.

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Know get their employees to where they need to be. It's very tied into the.

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Housing market, as I'm sure most of you know so we're interested. I do think that.

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In terms of some feedback for the city, one of the things that we hear from.

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Employers, when we're talking to them about the options, is that the city.

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Offers its employees highly subsidized parking, so perhaps it's an opportunity.

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For the city to lead by example, in addressing some of its own benefits for.

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Employees regarding parking and transportation needs. Personally, I would.

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Say that having moved here a little over a year ago, the infrastructure is not.

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Quite in place to allow people to go totally car-free, given our lifestyles.

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One example that I think you mentioned during the presentation was the zip car.

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Option or car sharing options. I don't think that they're sufficient at this.

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Point it's kind of chicken and egg question, but I certainly would not be.

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Able to give up my car, given the infrastructure, whether it's the bus or.

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Car sharing at this point so thank you for considering the tdm report and.

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Looking forward to seeing where this goes, thanks, thank you. Is there any other.

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Public comment: please raise your hand and zoom or type into the chat.

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Mr. lucas, do we have any other takers? Yes, we have a sam dove who should be.

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Unmuted we're able to unmute himself rehearsal mr. ramez dove. Would you.

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Please speak hello. Yeah please go ahead. Do you have.

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Something to say to resolution 2008 yeah go ahead.

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I'm not hearing anything, I don't know that there's anything to be gained by.

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This public speaker, for the time being, can you type? Is there someone who can.

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Speak for I, I will send this person to chat over zoom and let them know that.

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They could send a written message if they like I'll, be happy to have it read.

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Okay, okay! Is there any other member of the public who would like to speak? I.

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Don't see, I will try to the two if they can send us a message, while council.

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Members are are speaking to the issue, we'll try and get their their message in.

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But if there are no other members of the public who would like to speak at this.

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Point we'll come back to the council for debate. Is there any final comment on.

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Resolution 2008 or perhaps follow-up questions.

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Consular people on smith yeah, I want to express my appreciation for ms.

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Rosenberger and the other members of the planning and transportation staff for.

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Engaging with the consultant and coming up with a solid plan, I do believe that.

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This is the right thing to do, based on our previous commitments and based on.

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And not only our transportation commitments about our moral commitments.

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To reduce greenhouse gas emissions, that said, the price tag is is hefty and in.

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Today's tobit 19 environment, I am not sure how soon we could actually invest.

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The kind of money that is proposed here so I'm in support of the plan as an.

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Advisory document and I think we need to very carefully analyze how we can get.

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The biggest bang for the buck, knowing that the bucks we have coming in will.

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Probably be decreasing because of the economic downturn so fingers crossed, but.

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I'll be voting in favor today. Thank you. Thank you.

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Council member smith, I'm gonna ask mr. lucas a question and then make a comment.

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If that's okay, please go right ahead. hmm Mr. lucas, in when we vote for a.

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Resolution, what does that mean in terms of our commitment for any further action.

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I believe this particular resolution states that the city is planning to use.

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This document as an advisory document, I don't believe it binds the city to take.

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Any any specific actions contained in the document, I think it's a way to make.

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It known publicly that we're going to refer to this document and consider it.

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When making decisions, but it I don't believe it binds the city to any.

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Particular actions, so it may lend itself to modification down the road as we look.

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Mr. rosenberger may want to comment on whether the staff plans to keep this.

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Plan up-to-date or make modifications- this is a little different than the.

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Comprehensive plan which we hired a consultant to write for us, but we took a.

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Big ownership in that document, I'm not sure if staff has the same plans for.

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This this document to kind of make it that living document like the.

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Comprehensive plan: okay. Well, thank you. I my comment on it. Is it it's just quite a.

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Price tag in the kovat crisis, and that really is a sticking point in my mind.

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And I worry that if we are gonna not have a lot of federal funds to match it.

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And the city is gonna, be unhooked for half a million dollars a year. I worry.

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That that's that's a lot right now, when revenues are going to decrease, as that.

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Wave of that kovat reduction comes through, so I'm not I'm not sure that I.

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Can I can support this resolution? Thank you. Thank you. Councilmember sandburg.

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Thank you and as this is a non-binding resolution, and it is an advisory.

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Document and and largely aspirational and very future focused. I can support.

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Tonight but my colleagues have raised some excellent questions about the.

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Pragmatic realities on the ground, especially as we we're all facing some.

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Pretty serious times ahead with some economic downturns- and I appreciate very.

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Morgan for coming on- and I was kind of wondering if we were going to hear.

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Somebody from the business community from the downtown it may perhaps be a.

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Different nap town than even when the consultant was doing the legwork for.

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This report, and so I think we all need to take a degree of caution, moving.

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Forward here with respect to how much this may cost granted, there are probably.

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Going to be some savings involved as well, but that's kind of difficult for.

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Folks to wrap their heads around when stores may be closing and they the fate.

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Of iu is still a little bit uncertain, with what's going to be happening. Our.

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Own resources are going to be a little bit in flux and the need to be cautious.

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I think is something that we're all very mindful of so I will support it, but in.

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Terms of it being executed, I would certainly advise a staff to be.

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Slow and cautious. Thank you. Thank you for the comment cuts. My murder, celerity.

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Yes, thanks, sorry for being off video, quite a bit, I had a puppy that was.

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Having a fit so he's: okay, now he's asleep yeah, I'm glad the administration.

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Chose to develop this plan and I think it's an important step towards managing.

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Our transportation system in the most cost effective and equitable and low.

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Pollution way that we can goals that, I think, are community broadly shares.

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Across the business community and residents and, of course, in our adopted.

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Plans, I certainly take the point of exercising caution and prudence in our.

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Fiscal decisions, and now more than ever, especially as we wait to see what the.

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Fiscal impact of you know any recession with :. 19 may look like.

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But, of course, we do need to actually implement this if we want to see results, just like our sustainability action plan or the transportation plan, we need to.

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Actually follow through, which means prioritizing our plans in our annual.

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Budget in appropriations, ordinances and in our policy decisions, even if that.

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Means shifting priorities not coming up with new money, but but changing how it's.

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Spent you know, for instance, we've spent nine hundred thousand a year on leaf.

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Collection, for instance, I know that's- being explored as a possible shift, but.

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That's a substantial amount of money when we think about the cost of.

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Implementing a plan, it is important we think about the savings associated with.

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Implementing that plan we are in the process of spending actually fifty.

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Million dollars, including interest to build two parking garages.

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That is to increase the supply of parking before we ever undertook the.

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Efforts to reduce demand and shift behavior through you know, tried-and-true.

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Methods I mentioned in our budget advance. They need for a parking cash out.

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Policy not just at the city but but really in all sorts of places around the.

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Downtown it is very well studied, it's been a mandatory actually for businesses.

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And government alike, in california, for nearly 30 years progressive cities all.

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Over this country have legislated transportation, demand, management and.

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Programs for employers, because because it's the pathway to get to reduce.

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Pollution emissions reductions that we know we have to make in the midst of a climate crisis. You know- and we've had the business community before in in.

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Conversations about this very issue expressing their support, for you know I.

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Think glenn coin: at the time head of the vec said he wasn't asking for a free.

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Lunch you know, was supporting paying the full price of parking and that he.

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Believed in rational solutions to climate change, this is about, as you know,.

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Rational and tried mature as it gets, it's been studied for 30 years in california, emissions reductions averaged 12% per business when they implemented.

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Tdm plans that were required by law. That's a substantial reduction in.

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Emissions certainly agree with mary morgan's comment about the need for the.

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City to lead by example, on some of these things, but I think we really need broad.

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Buy-In across the community- and I guess just a quick note about carrots and.

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Sticks and thinking about this, I remember having this conversation in.

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Council chambers, briefly making a remark about this after we heard the tdm.

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Presentation from the consultant couple months back, which is that when you have.

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A large subsidy for something like like parking, you know current parking permits.

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Are less than 50 percent of the actual cost of maintenance operations and.

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Capital debt-financed. So when you have a very large subsidy and you reduce the.

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Size of that subsidy by increasing the price that is not a stick, it is reducing.

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The size of a carrot and those carrots are fundamentally inequitable, the ones.

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Associated with single occupancy vehicle travel, this is again very well studied.

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Very well accepted in among the professionals who work on this.

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We have taxpayers who cannot afford to drive who are subsidizing. The parking of.

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People who don't need the subsidy frankly, I'm all in support of equitable.

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Subsidies for people who are low wage earners in our downtown who actually.

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Need it, but if you're making 80 k a year and you work downtown the city shouldn't.

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Be subsidizing parking so just wanted that final note on carrots and sticks.

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Because it's important, I think, for the frame and how we think about this to.

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Realize that when you're talking about reducing the subsidy for an activity.

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That all of our goals say we need to reduce, that's, not a stick. It's it's a.

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Reduction in the size of a carrot and a shift in behavior, so I think that's it.

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For me, I will be supporting this resolution. I hope we can see some.

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Movement on it in near future, I think there are portions of it that are actionable very soon and I'll be following up with some of those thank.

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You further comments from members on resolution: 2008, cosmo burrell, oh just a.

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Couple notes one is to agree with councilmember sandberg. This is an.

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Aspirational document, so our acceptance of a directs us that doesn't compel us.

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But that said, I think that we and knowing in a post, kovat world we're.

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Going to have a reduction in revenues likely we're also going to have a change.

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In behavior, I think that you know we're going to have more people telecommuting.

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Than we had in the past and that's going to change things in terms of.

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Transportation and in terms of reducing carrots, I.

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Generally agree, I I would just be cautious that we don't reduce carrots.

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That might harm people of low income was one of my concerns about metering.

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Downtown was the accessibility of downtown for low-income residents in the.

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Community, so I leave supporting this resolution. I hope we can aspire to it.

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And I hope it makes a significant difference in terms of transportation.

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Transportation, behavior and policy.

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Thank you any other debate on resolution. 2008 final comments: councilmember simms.

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Thank you. I also too want to thank mr. rosenberger.

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And the consultant, I think, for this development in this report and I like.

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Some of my colleagues have mentioned hi. I can support this and I will support.

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This, but I think, there's also some gaps within here that weren't, that that could.

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Have been better explained, I think some things like I heard of an incentive.

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Incentivizing something about free transit pass for some businesses for.

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Their employees and we've heard that before.

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But I haven't heard anything from a funding standpoint: who's willing to.

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Participate in that program, what is some of the education and information methods.

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That we could use to make sure that works later, so I'm not so sure about.

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That ad, when I heard the 80k a year analogy and and that made sense to me.

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But I guess all of a sudden I'm thinking what is the average salary of the people.

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In this town- and I don't think it's anywhere near 80 k and I'd like to deal.

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More along with them, medians are averages when dealing with our.

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Constituents and that wasn't clarified within the document and I'm sure it will.

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Be we'll have more conversations as we move forward. We talked about, and I.

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Appreciate mr. rosenberger talking about reduction in greenhouse gases and there.

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Was a lot to say- and I don't remember exactly there, but I do I made a note.

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Here how significant of a reduction? So those are the type of details that I.

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Like that, we need to strive for don't get me wrong.

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But I like more details, as opposed to just say something or say significant.

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What does significant knee and then there's cost associated with it? There.

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Was ober examples or her ride, shares and surges, and you know eight-point some.

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Percent higher rates- and you know those are all good and part of the report- I'm.

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Looking more at a reality, standpoint generally, if the the price for that is.

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Raised then, that automatically would in most cases that I'm aware of generate.

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More drivers in order to transport people so does that equate to having.

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Less single occupancy rides as we're talking, even if that's even possible,.

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Is that a supply thing is that a demand thing is that part of the supply? That's.

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Not part of the demand for this study, so I think overall, in long term, in.

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Particularly with in in conjunction with our comp plan and some of other plans, I.

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Think it's there's a place for it, but as we move forward, I just like to hear much.

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More detail on funding some of these things that were saying that weren't.

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Clear, I think in my mind and but I will plan it last thing I do want to say and.

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Going through the documents, there was a lot of a few months, a lot of shoulds and.

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And things like that, and I think longer term I would prefer to hear- could or may.

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As opposed to should or must in an advisory document so start it was.

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Starting to sound a little bit more, like a actual ordinance to me, as opposed to.

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An advisory document, but all in all, I think it's something we'll deal with on.

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The future I just want to remember to have those conversations as we move.

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Forward because, as some of my colleagues have said many times in the past words.

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Matter- and I don't want this to come back and not do what we intended to do.

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In future conversations, thank you. Thank you. Any other final comments on.

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Resolution 2008 before I take a crack at it.

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Checking, okay, let me say say this: this document just.

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By articulating the idea of demand-side management of our transportation system,.

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Is a significant moment in our city's history.

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This is a fundamental importance were for once we're realizing that there are.

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Two sides of the equation, supply and demand, and for too many years all we.

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Thought about for any kind of transportation has been supply. You know.

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All we're doing with this document is recognizing that we, just we don't just.

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Have to build more supplies of parking, we can also control and make more.

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Flexible the demand for that supply, we should build more supplies for waukee.

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Which we've been doing for many years through the sidewalk committee, we've.

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Been trying to provide more supply and what we used to call alternative.

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Transportation, but it wasn't the alternative before the automobile that.

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Was the way people got around and it's still the way many people get around? Who.

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Can't afford not on the bill or who don't always want to use it for any.

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Number of reasons we should build more supply for safe bike riding. You know we.

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Can we can create baby carrots instead of always handing out bugs bunny sized.

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Carrots, we can maybe give out smaller bags and baby carrots. We can maybe.

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Target bags of baby carrots to those people who need it.

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You can already see demand side management in use at iu if you've ever.

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Tried to park by generally at an iu garage you'll, see if you look at the.

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Sign that the first hour costs you something like three dollars. If you stay.

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For a second hour, it costs you four dollars. You stay for a third hour cost.

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You five dollars. They have escalating prices for parking.

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To try to tamp down the demand for long-term parking there, they.

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Necessarily want if you're gonna park long-term on a regular basis, they want.

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You to buy a permit, but it's already in use here in this city. You can see it but.

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I take customer smith's concern to heart and I want to say that I very strongly.

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Believe that we are not going to need federal funding to fund the initiatives.

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That this plan calls for that. The money to manage transportation demand is.

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Already inherent in the system itself, there's a whole bunch of excess demand.

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Because we underpriced many things but I'll just point out this: the 2016.

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Parking commission report showed that the overall gross revenue of the parking.

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System was on the order of seven million dollars and it had generated a $200,000.

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Surplus in that year now we're you know we're in a very different environment.

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Now, obviously, but demand until the crisis struck, demand has been higher.

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Than supply, since we implemented meters seven years ago,.

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Prices needed to be increased on the street at least two years ago. We.

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Increased prices in garages at the end of 2018 because they had been.

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Insufficient to regulate demand so forget for a minute just the idea that.

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You know we, you know, pricing should be increased because cars have been getting.

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A lot of subsidy- that's true, I believe that, but you should believe that prices.

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Should be adjusted if not necessarily increased, based on simply put on the.

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Demand for the existing supply that we have, even when we build new garages.

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I prefer fewer rather than more, but you're not going to see demand satisfied.

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Even if you add all that supply, unless you price it correctly, the.

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Always going to have made a difference, how you price the supply that you have.

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And I'll also point out that when meters were implemented, when we started.

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Regulating demand for parking through meters seven years ago I like to cite.

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The raw rough numbers and 2013 or 2012 rather the year before the meters were.

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Implemented tickets roughly brought it at about a million dollars in gross.

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Revenue garages brought in about a million dollars in gross revenue after.

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In the first year that we just existed, the amount that came in from garages.

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Went down by one percent, maybe it's about the same, the amount that came in.

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From tickets was about the same about a million dollars each the amount that.

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Came in for meters was 2.2 million. That's how much late demand there was.

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For parking, and even now, at a dollar an hour, we haven't charged enough for.

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Parking and I can show you the blocks of downtown bloomington, where the demand.

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Was greatest if you want a hint, take the corner of kirkwood and done, and we had.

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Could have been charged in two to elder's an hour and there would still have been a demand for that parking. So you know this plan codifies and.

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Formalizes the idea that, yes, we should be thinking about demand, not just supply.

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There are solutions we can implement immediately too, we have to heard people.

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Talk about parking cash out, that's a pretty straightforward one! There's a.

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Neighborhood in my district that is already ready to try the idea of a.

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Parking benefit district, where we allow neighbors to keep paying the same.

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Nominal amount per year save forty five dollars a year for their permit, but.

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Excess supply that neighborhood can be sold to non-residents at a premium. That.

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Would be entirely decided by the neighborhood and every dollar above that.

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At first forty five would go into a fund that would fix infrastructure in that.

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Neighborhood build curbs, add lighting, barry.

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Our cables and the like they're very excited to try it we could be. We could.

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Set a range of meter rates so that the meters can be adjusted every year or.

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Every quarter based on demand and it could be adjusted by by it, doesn't.

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Require an ordinance: these are things we could do right now to manage demand and.

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This plan, I believe, gives us the foundation for exploring those ideas.

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We've come a long way since the year before meters in 2012, we had a special.

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Committee on street design and engineering standards and the city's.

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Engineering manager at the time could not answer council members questions as.

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To what the definition of induced demand was, and now not only can our staff do.

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That we have an entire plan that contemplates that idea since that time.

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Wisely, I think the administration merged the planning for transportation into the.

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Planning department and we've called the department, planning and transportation.

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It was a very important move that recognizes that transportation is as.

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Important to the cost of living locally as housing is and that how you get.

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Around is as important as where you can afford to live so being able to properly.

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Price demand through transportation will enable us to to provide better supply.

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And to manage the demand, I can't say enough good things about this. This plan.

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I want to thank beth rosenberger and terry porter from planning a.

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Transportation, I am wholeheartedly in support of this plan and I'm looking.

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Forward to beginning to explore how we could implement it, and I would urge.

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Everyone not to be afraid of how to fund it that I think that, as we began.

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Lamenting the strategies in it it will fund itself with that. If there's no.

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Other comment: I will ask the clerk to call the roll on resolution 2008. Please.

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Turn on your microphones, councilmember, piemonte smith. Yes, clarity.

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Yes, smith, no sandburg! Yes,.

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Yes, scandal: orion, yes, rosenberger yeah, simms,.

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Yes, yes, with an eight one vote resolution 2008 is adopted. Thank you.

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Again to planning and transportation staff for the presentation we will now.

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Move on to the next item on our agenda, which I have misplaced, additional public.

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Comment, we have we're going to first reading resolutions, but we have none so.

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We'll go to additional public comment. Is there any member of the public who would.

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Like to address the council on an item that is not on the agenda was not.

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Already spoken, if so, please use the raise hand function in zoom or if you.

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Like type into the chat box, also in zoom mr. lucas, do we have any takers for.

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Additional public comment: you're muted, you did myself, I don't see any.

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Commenters- and I don't see that we received any written comments from the.

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Previous public commenter on the on the resolution, I'm sorry about that. Okay,.

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We're done go now to matters of council schedule. I know we have just now created.

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A special session for next week is there a work session on friday.

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We have no more scheduled work sessions between now and council recess. You did.

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Mention the special session, while the president is authorized to schedule.

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Those meetings now might be a good time, if that's the will the council to just.

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Go ahead and make that a formal motion, the only other item is just a reminder.

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That the ps lit committee process is kicking off tomorrow, with that.

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Committees first meeting at noon, but that's the only reminder so if the.

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Council wanted to schedule a special session next week. It could do so now. I.

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Move that we schedule a special use remember would like to motion in a.

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Second, yes, okay, these delays are killing me all right. Any discussion on the.

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Say none can we have a roll call vote on the motion for a special session on june.

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The 10th yes, councilmember, clarity; yes, yes, sambar! Yes,.

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Rolla, yes, scam alert, yes, remson barker, yeah,.

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Yes, pete matt smith. Yes all right, so we will have a special session next.

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Wednesday, I also want to remind the sustainable development committee that.

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There is a resolution coming your way that we will take up next week.

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Immediately after the special session, so I'm expecting it will be 6:45 give or.

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Take when we know earlier than 6:45 so with.

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That, if there are no other announcements or questions I'll, entertain a motion to.

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Adjourn motion a second I'm not gonna, bother with a roll call vote all in.

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Favor, please say: aye.

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We are adjourned. Thank you all and good night.

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