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Welcome everyone I'd like to call to order this common bloomington common.

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Council regular session meeting for wednesday december 4 2019.

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Well, the clerk, please call the roll.

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Council member ruff, chopra smith, yeah granger present here here, simms.

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Here, stirrer bomb bamberd here. Thank you here is this: the agenda summation this.

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Evening, if you would like an agenda, you may find them at the clerk's desk.

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We have no approval for meeting minutes this evening. We will go to reports from.

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Council members, then we will go to reports from mayor and city offices.

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Council committee reports and then we reserve 20 minutes for the public at.

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That point and we will reserve five minutes per speaker, given that we have.

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We can fit it into 20 minutes well, if appointments to boards and commissions.

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And then we have four items for legislation for first reading, the first.

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Item is appropriation, ordinance, 19 and 9 to specially appropriate from the food.

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And beverage tax fund expenditure is related to the convention center.

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Expansion, an authorized persons designated by the mayor to relay council.

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Requests for recommendations, we will probably have a motion to postpone that.

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Second item is a resolution 1918 to approve and authorize the execution of a.

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Collective bargaining agreement between the city of bloomington and the fraternal order of police, don owens memorial lodge 88 third item.

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For first reading is ordinance 1927 amending ordinance 1817, which fixes the.

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Salaries of officers of the police and fire departments for 2019 regarding.

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Providing a one-time $1,000 bonus for officers, first class and senior police.

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Officers and adding a fire logistics officer and note.

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That this ordinance is being introduced this evening with the possibility that.

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May be considered for adoption later this evening we have a motion. The last item for legislation for first reading is.

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Ordinance 1928 to amend title 2 of the bloomington municipal code, entitled.

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Administration and personnel regarding amending chapter to point to a.

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Bloomington living wage ordinance to remove exclusion for city, seasonal.

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Employees, we will then go to a legislation for second reading and.

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Resolutions- and we have we have six of those first one is ordinance 1925 to.

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Amend title 8 of the blowing to municipal municipal code entitles.

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Historic preservation and protection to establish a historic district regarding.

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The near west side conservation, district near west side, historic designation.

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Committee petitioner- and we have an anticipated amendment for that and we.

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Had a committee the whole action on the 6th of november 20 19 with an 8 0 0, do.

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Pass recommendation second item for legislation for second reading and.

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Resolutions is ordinance 1923 to amend a planned unit, development, pud district.

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Ordinance and approve the preliminary plan regarding 1201 west allen, street.

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Hilltop meadow llc petitioner. We have an anticipated reasonable condition for.

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That and it was heard by the land use committee on a report filed on the 4th.

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Of december 2019 that committee recommendation there was a committee.

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Recommendation due passed, 3, 0, 0, the land use committee and then a regular session.

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Action, the 30th of october 20 19, referral to the land use committee was.

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Adopted 8 0 third item for second reading is resolution ordinance 1918 to.

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Approve a north authorized, the execution of collective bargaining agreement.

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Between the city of bloomington and the fraternal order of police don owens memorial lodge 88. Fourth item is ordinance 1920, an ordinance fixing.

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The salaries of officers for the police and fire departments for the city of.

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Bloomington indiana the year 2020 the anticipated motions to.

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Take that from the table and amend by substitution, we have. We had a regular.

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Session action of october 10th 2019 motion tabled 9-0, and then we had a.

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Committee of the whole action on the 25th of september to pass 1:07 fifth.

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Item is ordinance, 1927 amending ordinance, nineteen eighteen, seventeen.

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Which fixed the salaries of officer of the officers of the police and fire.

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Departments for twenty nineteen regarding providing a one-time, $1000.

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Bonus for officers, first-class and senior police officers and adding a fire.

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Logistics officer, unanimous consent is necessary if the counselor wants to.

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Consider this this evening for action and then our sixth item is resolution.

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1919, to affirm a request from the common council for the food and beverage tax.

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Advisory commission to make a recommendation for expenditure of food.

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And beverage tax resident revenues towards phase two of the convention.

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Center expansion project it hasn't received a committee recommendation. We.

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Will then have time for additional public comment of maximum of 25 minutes.

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We'll visit our council schedule and then we will adjourn followed by a.

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Committee of the whole chaired by councilmember valen, two items are on.

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That agenda appropriation, ordinance 1908, especially appropriate from the rental.

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Inspection program and parking meter fund expansion, expenditures not.

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Otherwise, appropriated appropriating various transfers of funds within the.

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General fund parks and recreation general fund parking facilities fund.

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Motor vehicle highway fund, alternative transportation fund cumulative capital.

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Development fund and appropriating additional funds for the parking meter.

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Fund and rental inspection fund and then we have our second item, which is.

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Ordinance 1927 amending ordinance 1817, which fixed the salaries of officers of.

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The police and fire departments for 2019 regarding the one-time, $1,000 bonus for.

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Officers first class and senior police officers and adding a fire logistics.

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Officer, so that is our agenda since summation this evening.

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Mr. chair, yes, is there a reason that we're doing first readings before second.

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Readings tonight yes to provide for the opportunity to take action at second.

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Reading on something that would be introduced at first reading, that includes an item. It's which one again resolution 19 18, 19 18, which approves.

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The collective bargaining agreement it doesn't have to be put under first.

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Reading but our practice has been when you have a high big-ticket item like.

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That, and, and that requires unanimous consent to not to a resolution they down.

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The road, it's it's a coordinates 1927, which would provide four thousand dollar.

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Bonus for the police officers after ratifying ratifying their contract, but.

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The ordinance would require unanimous consent, got it all right. Let's move on.

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Then we have no approval four minutes. We have no minutes to approve, so we will go.

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To council member reports and I'll begin on my left with council member sandberg.

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Thank you, councilmember sims, as promised mr. bump burned me yeah yeah. I was late.

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Yesterday and I got two phone calls, dan sherman called me and my mother called.

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Me, and so I just wanted to say, hi mom thanks for taking care of me. Thank you.

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Councilmember sims no comment tonight other than councilmember starbomb made.

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It on time tonight, councilmember voland no report.

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Councilmember ruff: do you have a report council, member tropone.

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uh I just like to comment on my absences from council meetings of late. I'm sure.

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Some of my colleagues have noticed that I haven't been at meetings and I'm sure.

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Some of the public has noticed as well. I do that for both practical and protest.

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Reasons practically when I set my fall calendar with my children and my family.

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I thought we'd have meetings on wednesday nights, and so I could schedule.

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Obligations, which meant that I had to take my kids to sports or other children.

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Of sports or whatever it might be, their total jock sister sports, but I just I.

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Made that decision early in the in the fall not expecting for that to change.

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And it's just too much to change, but really it's not so much practical. It's.

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More than protest, the problem is that this council, it's frequency and length.

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Of meetings is way to that. The no matter hours are way too many. It's way too long.

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It's way too frequent, and I say that, because that prohibits diversity on the.

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Council and you should know that we get paid roughly sixteen thousand dollars a.

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Year to do this so the result of the way that we do business, which is flawed in.

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My opinion is that we do not have diversity on council. We do not have.

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People who have children in the home often we do not have people who have.

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Inflexible jobs, we don't have people who can afford to miss so much work or put. I.

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Mean you could easily easily put 30 to 40 hours of work into into council.

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Business without going overboard- and there are people who cannot afford to do.

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That so I want to let people know that there is a reason why I'm not here, and I.

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Hope that my absence will remind you all when you see my name plate there and I'm.

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You not here or only eight of us or whatever it is consider what we can do.

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Better moving forward to make sure that we make it easier for people who have.

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Families or do not have flexible jobs or do not have the means to work full-time.

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At 1/4 time job, thank you, councilmember, piedmont, smith, no report.

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Councilmember grainger, thank you. I was just going to say that some of us it's.

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Not meant as a slight, but some of us are really really busy with this. You do and.

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So we don't have time for reports, I'm just putting it out there. Thank you.

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Thank you. I have no report this evening, so we went out go to reports from the.

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Mayor and city offices, if there are any saying none we'll go to council.

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Committee reports, seeing no council committee approach we'll go to the.

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Public, if the public would like to comment on items not on our agenda.

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Please step to the microphone state, your name and be sure the sign-in hi, I'm greg.

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Alexander last night, one of y'all suggested that the dream of having.

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Slightly fewer cars in the world was utopian and I want you to know. I'm not.

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An idealist I just grew up in the suburbs and man I resent it.

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So the problem, isn't you know I I tell you again and again and I'm sure you.

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Must understand that one of the reasons we need cars, as the government has so.

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Chronically underfunded, everything that might benefit a pedestrian or a cyclist.

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Or anybody outside of a car and on the other hand, every time there's anything.

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That minorly inconveniences drivers, you treat it like an emergency and just.

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Throw a ton of money at it. Government made this problem, but I don't. I don't.

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Think you really believe, and so I'm gonna give this anecdote. You know I.

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Should have looked up the year like around 2005 indiana outlawed or I don't.

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Even know if it's indiana, it might be just bloomington, outlawed smoking in bars, and I was in my 20s and that seemed pretty nuts to me. Everybody. I knew that.

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Smoked particularly loved to smoke at bars, and even people that didn't smoke.

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Enjoyed smoking at bars, and so I thought it would be something.

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Epic tast rafi, maybe it would be worthwhile, but it would it would harm the bars in some sense. But then it happened and you know it's been studied.

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To death, because it already happened, it's been tried places, it was tried here was tried in new york, tried in california, and it bars actually saw more.

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Business as a result of banning smokers or banning smoking indoors and the.

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Interesting part that, to me is that the people who smoke would prefer not to.

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Hang out with other smokers, it's not just the people who don't smoke. The.

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People who smoke themselves would prefer not to hang out with other smokers and.

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This is the situation we're at with cars. People have tried eliminating cars from.

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Cities incremental e all over the world and everywhere they've done it. They.

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Found exactly the same thing, people who think they need to drive don't want to.

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Go to a place with other drivers, they don't want to go to a place. That's very.

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Friendly to cars, because if it is very friendly to cars, it's going to have a.

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Bunch of traffic we pretend traffic is all those other people somehow they're.

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Different from us, but traffic is just other people in cars. We don't like.

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Traffic people in cars, hate traffic and if you over, build four cars, you will.

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Just get more traffic, and so you know it's it's really hard to believe that.

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You have the power to change things, but you do if you encourage more traffic.

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People will actually travel less if they have to do it in a car anyways. That's.

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Gonna be something to chew on. Thank you very much for showing up tonight. Mr. brown. Thank you for coming.

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Hi, my name is mark burnett and I have a couple of things I wanted to mention.

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Tonight I found some interesting articles that are relative to. I think.

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The things that have been happening at counsel it with the you do in the last.

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Few weeks and there's an article in curbed, which is a an online magazine.

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Called unequal city, and the subtitle of this particular article is how wealthy.

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Tourists have gentrified jackson hole wyoming into a housing crisis. I think we.

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Could take that subtitle and rewrite it for bloomington.

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How wealthy students have gentrified bloomington into a housing crisis? The.

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Word housing crisis was used white and far in our discussion over the last.

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Month or so about the you do specifically the core neighborhoods and.

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I would like to again bring up the fact that the core neighborhoods are in fact.

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The healthiest part of our community they're, the most diverse they're, paying.

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Their own way, in terms of property taxes that pays for city services.

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It's the sprawl component of our community that has led to the decline of.

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Equity in our town, and I would hope that, having been through that difficult.

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Debate about plexes and the core neighborhoods that we could broaden our.

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Scope a little bit and talk about the entire inequity of housing and the price.

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Of our community, the locals are being priced out of our town because of rental pricing in the immediate areas around the university.

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Which is where the debate raged, and I would like to suggest that if we go back.

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To the comp plan and start to make statements like by 2025, let's make sure.

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That we have a density for single-family housing of 10 units per acre across the.

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City and then turn around and ask the neighborhoods that don't meet that.

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Standard currently what they would like to do about that to meet that standard, I.

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Think you would find if we would have asked the core neighborhoods how to.

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Achieve a density of 10 units per acre for single-family housing, they would.

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Have come to the table with some different answers than the ones you got.

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By forcing the duplex concept onto the community, I would like to see a.

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Different strategy approach that could allow for us to come together to discuss.

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These difficult issues in the face of climate change, they've played in the.

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Face of fiscal responsibility, and I think we missed a great chance to do.

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That, in the midst of our you do debate and there's another article by the same.

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Online magazine how small texas city rewrote the rules of.

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Development and they fundamentally recognized that they were making poor.

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Decisions in their planning process there you do process, etc and rewrote the.

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Rules and went back and looked at the successful development patterns of their.

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Community, which every community has a version of that and embrace them, that is.

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Embracing the core neighborhoods, I hope we can reflect positively on what.

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Happened, although it was a difficult time- and I hope that we can move forward.

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And actually achieve some goals that are combination of planet, savvy, climate.

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Change savvy decisions that can be applied to our community and I think we.

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Missed a great opportunity, thank you for your comment. Further public comments or.

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Items not on our agenda. You have another opportunity later. If you choose thank.

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You will now go to appointments boards and commissions, seeing none we'll move.

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On to legislation for first reading, mr. president, I move that appropriation.

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Ordnance 1909 be introduced and read until 4:00 by thadland synopsis. Only mr.

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Chairman, we are anticipating motion to postpone that's correct.

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Should that be made now after introduction, okay, it's been moved and.

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Seconded with the clerk, please.

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Well, it's legislation for first reading, so we don't mean to it's been moved and.

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Seconded that appropriation, ordinance, 1909 be introduced and read by the clerk.

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By title and synopsis only will the clerk please read: preparation, ordinance.

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1909, especially appropriate from the food and beverage tax fund, expenditures.

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Related to the convention center expansion, an authorized persons.

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Designated by the mayor to relay council requests for recommendations, the.

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Synopsis is as follows: this ordinance appropriates funds from the food and.

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Beverage tax for expenditures related to the convention center expansion project, including expenditures for phase two of.

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The project which involves design work for the expansion of the center and a.

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Parking garage appraisals and environmental work related to the.

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Project including a bond issue and such other related services, as may be.

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Identified bless you. This ordinance also authorizes the.

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Deputy mayor or other a designee of the mayor to relay requests of the council.

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To the food and beverage advisory commission for written recommendation to.

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Expend funds. Thank you. Mr. president, point of order. Mr. sherman, the it was.

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Made clear at the food and beverage tax advisory commission meeting yesterday.

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That the county thinks that this is out of order. I acknowledge that we have here.

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Proposed motion to postpone this, but it says to postpone to tonight at 6:30, did.

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You intend to mean the 11th at 6:30, yes, okay, so was because it's an.

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Appropriation ordinance, does it not need need to be discussed? The committee of.

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The whole cannot be discussed at tonight's committee of the whole. It need.

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Not be disgusted nice committee, the whole the rule applies to not acting on.

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An ordinance, oh, I see, so we don't have to have a recommendation. That's fine.

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Okay- and we can have the discussion under the resolution that will come.

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Tonight I want this topic. Okay, thank you. Mr. president, I move that the council.

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Postpone for the consideration of appropriation, ordinance 1909 until a.

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Special session to be held on the 11th of december a week from tonight at 6:30,.

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P.M. I need a second, this is subject to limited debate. Does anyone have a any.

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Question or comment yeah, counselor, voland right so just to.

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Clarify what's happening here in the discussion yesterday, the county both the.

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The legal department of the county and the county commissioners and council insists that the specific amount being requested.

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By the administration be authorized by the city council before the food and.

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Beverage tax advisory commission commission take it up and only then can.

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The city council after the commissioners taken up approve the money. So what we're.

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Doing tonight I have authored resolution 1919 with the capable assistance of mr.

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Sherman that requests that specific amount in the past, the city council.

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Passed a resolution authorizing the administration to place items such as.

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That request on the agenda and what we are doing tonight is making that.

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Specific request, formal in hopes that that will resolve the legal dispute.

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Between city and county, so in case anybody is wondering, what's happening, no.

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No not right now. Thank you, please hold! So that's. What's happy.

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Tonight and any discussion that people would like to have about the convention.

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Center and the food and beverage advisory tax would best be taken up.

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Under resolution, 1919, which has been added to the agenda, was not in the.

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Friday, packet resolutions are the kind of thing that we can do in one night, so.

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It is a late addition, but if anyone is here to talk about the convention center.

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We can have a full discussion of it under that resolution with that I hope.

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My colleagues will will support the postponement to next week. Further.

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Somebody call the question, call the question: questions been called and.

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Seconded on the motion to postpone will occur. Please call the roll sir requires a simple majority.

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Councilmember sandberg, yes, stir bomb sims; yes, boland, yes, rallo, yes, granger.

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Yes, piedmont! Smith! Yes, chopra! Yes, ruff! Yes! Thank you. Thank you. That motion.

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Is adopted unanimously? Mr. president, I move that resolution 1918 be introduced.

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In red by title and synopsis, only it's been moved and seconded. There was a.

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Resolution 1918 be introduced in red by the clerk by talent synopsis only what.

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Will the clerk please read resolution 1918 to approve and authorize the.

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Execution of a collective bargaining agreement between the city of.

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Bloomington and the fraternal order of police don owens memorial lodge 88 the.

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Synopsis is as follows. This resolution approves and authorizes the execution of.

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A four-year collective bargaining agreement between the city of.

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Bloomington and the fraternal order of police don owens memorial lodge 88. Thank.

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You, mr. president, I moved that ordinance, 1927, be introduced and read by title and.

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Synopsis only now it's been moved and seconded that ordinance, 1927 introduced.

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In revit and kirk by title and synopsis only what the clerk please read.

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Ordinance 1927 amending ordinance 1817, which fixed the salaries of officers of.

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The police and fire departments for 2019 regarding providing a one-time, $1,000.

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Bonus for officers, first class and senior police officers, and I thing of.

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Adding a fire logistics officers, the synopsis is as follows: this ordinance.

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Amends ordinance 1817, which fixed the salaries of officers in the police and.

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Fire departments for the year 2019 these changes add a logistics officer to the.

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Fire department administration table and provide a one-time bonus payment to all.

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Senior police officers an officer's first class, who were employed during.

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2019, thank you. Mr. president, I moved that.

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Ordinance 1928 be introduced and read by title and synopsis. Only it's been moved.

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And seconded at ordinance, 1928 be introduced and read by the clerk by.

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Title and synopsis only will the clerk please read ordinance 1928 to amend.

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Title 2 of the bloomington municipal code entitled administration and.

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Personnel regarding and mending chapter 2.28.

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Bloomington living wage ordinance to remove exclusion for city, seasonal.

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Employees the synopsis is as follows. This ordinance is sponsored by.

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Councilmembers granger and piedmont smith: it amends chapter 2.28 of the.

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Bloomington municipal code entitled bloomington living wage ordinance to.

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Broaden the class of employees of the city of bloomington, who receive a living.

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Wage by removing the exclusion for certain seasonal employees in the parks.

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And recreation department. Thank you. We will now move on to legislation for.

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Second reading and resolutions. Mr. president, I moved that ordinance 1925, be.

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Introduced and read by title and synopsis, only it's been moved and.

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Seconded ordinance, 1925 be introduced in red by the clerk by telling synopsis.

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Only on favor say aye any opposed. Please read ordinance 1925.

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To amend title aid of the bloomington municipal code entitled historic.

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Preservation and protection to establish a historic district regarding the near.

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West side conservation, district near west side, historic designation committee.

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Petitioner, your synopsis is as follows. This ordinance amends the list of.

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Designated historic districts located in the city of bloomington and set forth in.

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Chapter 8.20 of the municipal code by establishing the near west side.

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Conservation district in recommending this designation, the bloomington.

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Historic preservation commission conducted a survey held public hearings.

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And submitted a map and accompanying report to the council, the map describes.

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The boundaries of the district classifies a total number of properties.

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Within the district and is approved by the ordinance, the report demonstrates.

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How this district meets the necessary criteria? A conservation district is in.

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Less restrictive than a full historic district and requires only the review of.

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Proposals to demolish or move buildings or construct new principal or accessory.

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Accessory buildings at the end of three years after adoption of this ordinance.

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This conservation district will elevate into a full historic district unless.

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Within 180 and 60 days before that date, a majority of the property owners.

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Provide the commission with written objections to the elevation your.

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Committee of the whole action or do recommendation was to pass eight zero.

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Zero. Thank you. Mr. president, I move that ordinance 1925 be adopted. Thank you. Mr.

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Herr turek welcome salutations good evening council.

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Members before I kind of reiterate some of the points that I made a month ago at.

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The committee of the whole I'd like to characterize the amendment that you see.

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In your packet to this ordinance, the reason for the amendment was that there.

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Were some errors concerning a few of the addresses listed in the district? So what.

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The amendment did was that it removed several addresses that actually did not.

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Exist and it added several addresses that were left out, and these addresses.

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That were left out are on the historic resource survey and are in the.

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Neighborhood, so those needed to be added, I want to point out that the boundaries.

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Did not change that's an important point. There was also an addendum added to the.

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District map to help clarify some of the questions I kept hearing about the map.

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Itself, so that information on the addendum should clarify that, so what we.

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See here the near west side, conservation district, it's a total of 325 properties.

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You see there 67% are contributing, which is a very high number for historic.

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District, if passed, this will be the largest.

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District in the city of bloomington, so there's quite a lot of properties here.

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Every single one, these properties in the proposed district are already part of a.

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National register historic district that was established in 1997, so some of the.

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Changes that you saw, I believe, where some of the numbers of contributing I.

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Believe went up and a non-contributing went down so just make sure to look at.

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Your amendment for that I want to go over the criteria. Stork preservation.

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Commission and staff found that the near west side meets five of the ten criteria.

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Listed for historic, designation in title eight, and just like to remind you that.

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It only needs to meet one to be designated so criteria. 1A has.

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Significant character, interest or value as part of the development of the city.

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That has to do with the the neighborhood developed adjacent to and concurrent.

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With the industry of the west side, so around the turn of the 20th century, the.

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West side neighborhood really really took off, and it grew because that was.

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The worker housing for the industry on the west side, so the neighborhood itself.

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Is important part of kind of tracing the development economic development of.

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Bloomington criteria, one see the neighborhood exemplifies the social.

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Heritage of the community from the very beginning, the neighborhood was a.

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Racially diverse working-class neighborhood how it pertains to black.

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History in bloomington is around the turn of the 20th century. The african.

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Community moved to the west side for a couple reasons: one was the relocation of.

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The showers furniture factory, where they many were employed and the other was de.

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Facto, segregation in bloomington, which made living in other neighborhoods.

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Difficult for african american and you can really see the social.

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Religious and educational legacy with buildings in the west side, like the.

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Banneker center, the ame church and the pollard lodge- and these are important to.

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Preserve to tell the story of black history in bloomington and next wave of.

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Criteria to e contains any architectural style detail or other element in danger.

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Of being lost, I believe this speaks for itself. There.

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Is a large amount of once common architectural styles that are now in.

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Serious danger, the near west side is the largest collection of historic.

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Vernacular housing types left in the city and some of those like you see, have.

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Been demolished are in danger of being demolished through neglect and so.

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Creating a conservation district would help save those that we have left. So we.

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Can preserve that part of our built heritage criteria to f owing to its.

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Physical characteristics represents an established and familiar familiar, visual.

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Pattern of a city, so what you see in the the near west side is very common for.

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Development in the early 20th century of worker class housing, just the the small.

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Parcel sizes, the densely you know, built homes, the alleys that run through the.

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Neighborhood very small setbacks from the street. This is a is identifiable.

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Familiar visual pattern that to any architectural historian is going to say.

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This neighborhood was established between 1890 and 1930, and so you know.

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It's an it is an important, visual and unique characteristic of the city of.

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Bloomington last criteria to g find that the conservation district exemplifies.

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The built environment in an era of history, characterized by distinctive architectural styles, I have returned with more pictures, as requested.

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By councilmember boland last time to show you some more of the examples of.

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The architectural styles I was referring to in my last presentation, so I will.

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Proceed to do that for you, so what we have here is the gable l to me. This is.

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The the bloomington historic house, there is a large amount of these in the near.

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West side, I took a snapshot of west sixth street.

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From google earth and you can kind of notice that the the gable, which is the.

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Triangle part of the house that they all face the street and then a side gable.

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Comes off of that, and so you can see this repeating pattern of these gable.

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Ells from satellite imagery and you can also see the additions and where those.

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Additions grew, which is to the rear, which is best practice and historic.

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Preservation, that's where we like to see additions, so this this is the the.

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Beloved gable, l, and then we have some. What I've spoke about earlier is.

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Vernacular fulk housing forms shapes of houses. We have the I house, which.

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Councilmember piedmont, smith. I remember last year when I present on maple.

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Heights, you looked up a house and you were correct when you said it was named.

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After houses that cultural geographer fred kniffin saw when he drove through.

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Indiana illinois and iowa, and that's why they got the name I house, but the I.

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Houses are two rooms wide two stories tall, and you can see an example of one.

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There and another one at the bottom left. We have the double pen, which is another.

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Folk style, a single pane, is just a single room house, and a double pen was.

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Just an expansion on that to create well two rooms, for you, know, families and so.

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You see the two doors, their entry ways into two different rooms in a double pen.

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House saddlebag is a double pen with the chimney in the middle, so you can think.

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Of the rooms as the saddlebags hanging off the hor.

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Is back, which is the chimney 1005 west 7th is a really unique saddlebag, because.

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It doesn't face the street, so I I think that's a pretty special house and then.

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We have the central passage, which is a variation of an vernacular form called a.

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Holland parlor the central passage where the holland parlor would have one door.

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Off to the side, the central passage put the door in the middle, and this was a.

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Climactic adaptation to warmer climates, you know you could create a breeze.

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Through there, if you left the front and back door, opens in the central passage.

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House, of course, five to three west seventh sure is familiar in our minds.

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But that was a beautiful example of a central passage. We had the pyramidal roof cottages, they they're pretty simple. They kind of look like gables, but you'll.

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Notice that they're the roofs form a pyramid at the top, and we have a.

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Tea plan cottage, if you look at overlooking it from the top.

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Bird's-Eye view you see a tea, also known as a gable front wing. Then we have some.

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California bungalows these came a little later, so the vernacular styles that I.

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Just mentioned were primarily the late 19th century very early 20th century.

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Going into the nineteen teens in 1920s and 30s, we started to see these these.

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Bungalow types- and these are houses that people would pick out of magazines.

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Typically catalog homes that they would, you know very simple, easy to build, but.

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You know unique in their own right and there are several versions of the.

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Bungalow bungalows kind of a generic catch-all term, but the california.

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Bungalow has that front gable and then a porch with a front gable as well. What.

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You see in three of those examples and then we kind of us of assorted mix the.

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Top right picture is actually a two-story gable l and it has some queen.

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And detailing thrown on there with the bay windows and some of the the millwork.

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On the house, of course, the banneker center is a very refined bowes arts.

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There's our shotgun house at the bottom right, which I was told you last time- is.

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Just one room wide in several rooms: deep and then the united methodist is a.

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Gothic revival style, so there are some other styles sprinkled in there with.

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Some of the more predominant styles that I've already mentioned and I believe.

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That's all I have to show you guys. I would love to talk in person further.

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About architectural history, thank you mr. hearn, eric that was a wonderful.

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Presentation so we'll go to council questions, but before we do perhaps we.

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Have a motion to introduce yes requested staff, which I think has been just.

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Discussed the changes here include reconciling properties in section 1 and.

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Section 2 and then providing an addendum clarifying parts of the map, and so with.

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That and defer back to you bring further explanation here: minor clerical errors.

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In the first submission and to clear help clarify the map very good, any.

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Questions from council regarding the amendment, a council member.

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Still on this amendment, your addendum shouldn't that be taken off, because the.

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The parcel is still within the boundary of the sort district we want to make.

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Sure that it stays so that the preservation commission has some kind of.

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Purview over the new construction that goes in its place got it.

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That makes sense. Thank you. Further questions from council. Okay, we'll go to.

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The public this is on the motion that was just introduced, we'll have an.

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Opportunity for the public to talk about the the ordinance. But if you have a.

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Comment on the motion, the amendment, the amendment excuse me.

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I represent the salvation army and I'm assuming that that's correct. We are on.

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Please tell us your name: captain cindy howe and I'm representing.

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The whole salvation army- and I just want you to know this- is all new to me, but I.

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Would like to let you know that the house that they are wanting to pull into.

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The historical preservation was built in proximately 1967.

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It is a simple ranch home and we own about a half a book. Well, this is not is.

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That address in this amendment that they're talking about you know mr. hurt.

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Is it no ma'am? This is a technical amendment to we're just fixing some.

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Addresses and then we're going to come back to the question as a whole. I don't mean to disrupt you. Excuse me, I don't know it's it's. Okay, you're you're new to.

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This too, thank you. Thank you. Any further comment from the public on the amendment.

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Kasing, no we're back to council for comments or further questions or.

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We often saw the amendment and the amendment yes call. The question question.

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Has been called on the amendment amendment one to ordinance 1925 with a.

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Clerk, please call the roll councilmembers sure bob yes, simms.

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Yes, rollin, yes, rallo, yes, granger, yes, whew mount smith. Yes,.

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Chopra, yes, breath yes, sandburg! Yes! Thank you. Thank you. That amendment is adopted.

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Nine zero. Now we return to my questions for the ordinance 1925 as amended.

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Councilman folman: yes, thanks for the presentation, mr. drake and all the.

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Additional illustrations, I think I learned a lot and I think it was.

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Edifying to a lot of people, how diverse the housing stock of this area is, can.

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You go back to the map at the very beginning of your. What I want to know is.

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You know we only see the yeah this is it the boundaries of the district proposed.

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Once again, the big spot of the middle is already historic. It's a what's. It's our.

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View historic, district, historic districts old, but it's like full.

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Elevated full torque, what about to the east and to the south I mean what is the.

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Status of those areas are you referring to outside of the boundaries for east.

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Outside the boundaries of the proposed district that there's that's not a.

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Current historic district, no so I mean the boundary on the east side is rogers.

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There right correct okay, so that it's sort of between the proposed district.

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And the historic courthouse district, yes now to the east would be included in the.

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National register historic district right, because that included not only the.

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Residential portion but the industrial and and and you know, commercial portions.

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As well is there because there are houses that are very similar to what's.

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West of rogers is there a reason that those houses weren't included in the.

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Near aside, are they considered part of a different? There are a few isolated houses that remain, but they're really.

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Not in a collection, you know essentially they're kind of like a fish.

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Out of water, their environment around them has been altered so much that it.

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Would be strange to include them in the district? Well, I was thinking of the.

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Three houses on is a fourth street north side of fourth street on the northeast corner of 4th and rogers. I believe one of those is individually designated.

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Already but you can see why I might be concerned, like even the east side of.

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Roger street might have houses that are eligible, okay,.

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Thank you, councilmember simms. Thank you again, thank you for the presentation. As.

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Well, connor, I'm sorry mr. academic haderach, but I just need to be clarified.

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A little bit when we were talking about social heritage, the portion you were.

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Talking about social heritage.

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Okay, and in particularly with the african-american population, at that time,.

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One of the things that you said in correct me: if I'm wrong, you said that.

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The african-americans move to the west side in order to be close to work at the.

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Showers factory, yes, that's one of the reasons pardon.

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That's one of the reasons they move to the west side. What are what are the.

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Other reasons so showers was kind of ahead of its time and employed.

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African-Americans and the old showers factory was kind of near where the.

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Mcculloch school is today when that burned down showers relocated. You know.

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It made sense for african americans to live close to where they worked, but also.

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At the same time, from my understanding of the history in this town, the.

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Opportunity they were, it was not made available to african americans to live.

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Wherever they wanted to, and I believe the west side was kind of a an.

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Undesirable area at that time and was set aside for for them to live in de.

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Facto means that it wasn't by law, it was just by practice, unofficial rules and.

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Regulations- okay, um okay, I'll save everything else for comments. Thank you.

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Comes member granger, I I thought you said in october whenever we last met.

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That that there were houses on the south side of kirkwood that were part of.

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Another district: that's what went part of that! What is that historic district? A.

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Greater prospect hill, thank you, councilman pete ron smith. Yes, in.

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Anticipation of some public comment, I wonder if you could explain why the.

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Buildings of the salvation army were included sure. So there are many newer.

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Buildings in this district, you know, in fact, we have 89 non-contributing and.

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A lot of those are non-contributing because they're newer infill, so we don't.

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Just not include something because it's its new, you just be picking out pieces.

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All over the district! So when you look at the traditional boundaries of the.

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Neighborhood, when you look at the boundaries of the national register nomination, that's what we're following here, and so that does include the corner.

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Of kirkwood and rogers, which is there's several salvation army buildings there.

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There are some newer ones and there are there's the that residential structure.

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That she said was built in 1967. I believe the one on the corner. There is a.

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Little older than that, though, I believe it was built sometime in the 40s or 50s.

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So yet, just to reiterate my point: these boundaries are following that not only.

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Boundaries of the neighborhood kind of the boundaries of continuity, when it.

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Comes with historic structures, and it wouldn't make sense to pluck out.

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Everything- that's not older than 50 years, because there is newer infill in.

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There and may I ask a follow-up: please so, can you review for us and for the.

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Benefit of the public, what the impact will be if we approve this conservation.

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District on the property owners within the district, absolutely so the.

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Difference is there will be three new restrictions placed on property owners.

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That aren't current, they don't currently exist. Those three restrictions are that.

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If you want to fully demolish your house, I'm talking a full demolition. If you.

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Want to build new construction on a vacant lot or if you want to move your.

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House you need to get a certificate of appropriateness from the historic preservation commission. That's the difference is that this conservation district will mean for property owners.

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And that certificate of appropriateness, what do they look at to determine that.

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So the neighborhood will get together with the commissioners and myself to.

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Write design guidelines if this is approved and they'll work with some federal standards of this with historic.

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Preservation to create a set of design guidelines that the commission will use.

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To? As a lens through which to interpret requests for demolitions and a new.

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Construction, so it's a combination of you, know: neighborhood input and federal.

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Preservation standards and guidelines. Thank you very much.

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Council member ruff.

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So a dramatic change, for example, building a set lifting a building and.

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Building a basement under it that would not be covered by these restrictions.

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Correct okay, thank you. Further questions.

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Yes, if the officer from the salvation army and we'd like to step up and and.

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Then this is on ordinance 1925, as amended. You'll have five minutes per.

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Person by the way, this is a beautiful presentation. One of the reasons your.

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Name, trees. They say your name again. I'm sorry, captain cindy howe and one of the.

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Reasons that we are struggling with being put under this is our building on.

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The corner is already on the historical preservation and it is falling apart.

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Below us and a lot of our money is going into fixing it.

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We're also landlocked in the fact that we just have that half block and so to.

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Put that house on there, which is just a simple ranch house, would create a lot.

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More paperwork for us and a lot more work to get anything done and.

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Accomplished in our area, as you know, we are heavily evolved involved in helping.

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The community and being there and serving we are not staffed.

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Proportionately, to have people to do all of this.

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Work for us, and we would just ask that we would be excluded from the historical.

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Preservation that that house would be off of there. Thank you for your comment.

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Bettye bridgewater's near westside citizens since 1946, with an exception of.

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A few years that has been home when I see the presentation I find so many.

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Things that are not historical, and I don't, I think I don't know if this is.

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Appropriate for me to bring it to your attention, but there are several things.

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The architecture is one when I grew up. Everyone had two front doors on the.

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House in the 50s and 60s as people upgraded the homes he took a door out.

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Back in the old days, people who had space rented property to students so.

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They had student housing in their homes rumors, and it was also a practical thing.

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For cross-ventilation, also, most of the doors had transom glass above them. That.

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Would swing out for air to circulate? It is historical. There was no central air.

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And central heat and all of those things- and you had to think about that all year.

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Round you didn't want to die of carbon monoxide poisoning, so you want to be.

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Sure of fresh air fresh air was flowing through the house back in the 40s and.

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50S, my particular home, the ceilings were lowered in the 50s aluminum siding was.

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Put on the wood porch was taken off, my father said he was sick and tired of.

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Replacing boards- and so he did concrete block porch, it was still existing there.

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Are so many architectural things that are not mentioned in the presentation.

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That would be good to mention the single got a little, the I house and all of that.

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Is fine, but you need to get a little more detail about what those were before.

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They were upgraded and that's one thing I want to bring to your attention the.

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Other thing is around the misstatements around the motivation for black people.

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To live on the west side, I didn't know anyone when I grew up, who moved to be.

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Closer to where they worked, that was just non-existent. You lived.

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Where you worked, I mean where you lived where you could live, you went to where.

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You could work another misnomer. Is that a good many or a majority or a large.

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Percentage of the black males on the west side were employed as showers max.

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There may have been 10 or 12, and the andersons and dubuque has lived down.

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Their new covenant around south high street hello and drake's.

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17Th and madison, and some of these other families, no one- was just walking.

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Distance now I know both of the deals. Mr. james deal and maceo deal lived.

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Within walking distance but they're, probably like 7 8 9 people that could.

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Walk to work and all of the black people that I know of worked in the in the.

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Shipping, where you saw those three men standing, they weren't allowed to be.

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Inside building furniture and what-have-you mr. deal built a model because mr. showers challenged them, and you just.

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Said one day is there anyone here who could make a good model for me about.

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That mr. deal said I can, and he looked at mr. deal, went home and the entire.

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Weekend he had a light on in his garage friday night all day saturday. All these.

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Sunday early monday morning and he finished a fine piece of furniture as a.

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Picture of it and he was received high, compliments and everyone would have.

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Thought that he might have been invited to be in the design section or the.

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Building section of showers, he went right back to the shipping docks and a.

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Lot of the men on the west side had gone to him while he was still working on.

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This piece, as it was a fine craftsman, just say: why are you doing this you're.

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Just going to embarrass yourself, you know they'll, never let you work inside.

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And he did it anyway because he could so. I think you need to understand also away.

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From that, a lot of the people lived on the west side were in business.

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For themselves, there were beauticians and barbers the rest of them pretty much.

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Did servile work, janitors caterers, cooks, what-have-you, they were all hard-working.

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People and most of them did several things over seamstresses. If you go.

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Through the census, you'll see what they did, but to lead you to believe that is.

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Some kind of homogeneous employment or middle-class employment among black.

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People now they work two or three jumps laid make as much money as a.

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Middle-Class person, but typically that was not their base wage and I think that.

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Needs to be made clear, but we were in there and it was a community. It was.

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Black and white together it wasn't a racial divide. We didn't think about that.

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If someone needed something, the community would come together for that.

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The churches were certainly a very strong integral part of the community.

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But the black community was not geographic, there was the black people in.

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Bloomington, wherever they lived, would come in and many of them were on farms.

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And lived out what we consider out now it isn't out, because it was like, like I.

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Said 17th and madison and then the nichols had a farm out all done and 17th.

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And another one was over there in brno pike, so I just want to clarify that the.

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Architecture and some of the how things went is a little skewed. Thank you for.

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Hi I'm olivia dorfman and, along with karen duffy, I was the co-chair of the.

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Near west side, historic designation committee that sponsors this petition.

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There were about a dozen homeowners in the community who were involved over the.

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Past year and a half and developing this initiative since january 2019, we were a.

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Committee of ten, and we would like to note that our members included both.

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Advocates and opponents to designation together, our committee resolved to.

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Remain open to all points of view as we worked to educate, inform gather input.

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And respond to our neighbors questions and concerns. To this end, we use mailings.

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Flyers, emails, facebook, dis and facebook to stimulate a conversation about.

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Historic designation, lyric eight we created a web page and a committee email.

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Address we organized our public meetings to include formal presentations, followed.

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By q&a sessions and spaced, the meetings at two month intervals to give people.

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Time to digest the information we also arranged cats, tv coverage and posted.

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Online links to the videotapes for those who could not attend the meetings. This.

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Process concluded with a community-wide vote by respondents, choice of mail or.

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Online ballot, two-thirds of the votes received were for local historic.

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Designation after all these efforts, we feel confident that the vote represented.

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Our community's wish for designation is a conservation district. Thank you for.

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Considering this petition submitted on behalf of the near west side, neighborhood, thank you for your coming.

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Good evening, council members, thank you for your interest in our proposal and.

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Your name please support of it. My name's karen duffy and I want to take a few.

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Minutes to recall the people who built our neighborhood and lived here in the.

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Past the workers african-american, as well as white, of whom we've spoken.

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Abstract ly before I would feel remiss not to offer a few real examples now.

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Give a few names hint at a couple of stories that olivia and I have uncovered.

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Through historical research, and which no doubt are typical of the near west side,.

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My own house, across from reverend butler park, was built in 1909 by a quarry man.

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Named john mcguire, who lived there with his wife, maude and family eleven years.

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Later he died in a horrific work accident caught and crushed by pulley at.

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The mill the houses longest occupants were lloyd and marie rose, who bought it.

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During the depression with a loan from the showers company, his lifelong.

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Employer among their neighbors, immediate neighbors was reverend thomas tinsley.

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The retired pastor, then retired, pastor of the african-american methodist.

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Episcopal church that had been located on the east side near the first showers.

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Factory, another neighbor bernard johnson worked on the monon railroad his son.

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Raymond later lived across the street from my house, with his wife, patricia a.

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Staple of the second baptist church choir olivia's house on west 8th, the.

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Block from mine was built around 1907 by allen, ferguson, a house painter decades.

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Later it was home to two generations of the hammond family, most notably henry.

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Hammond, who served as bailiff in monroe county court and had.

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Jazz with hoagy carmichael in his youth, the near west side is filled with houses.

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Like ours and stories like these, as you consider the merits of our neighborhoods.

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Proposal to commit ourselves to compatible change that respects the past.

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We hope you agree that it seems fitting to remember a few of the unsung working.

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People who did so much to make bloomington what it is today. Thank you.

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Thank you. My name is alan volkema, I'm the president of the near west side.

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Neighborhood association and I'm here to assure you that the neighborhood.

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Association is firmly behind this effort and has been involved in it from the.

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Beginning, I think it's very important to preserve our neighborhood and I urge you.

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To vote in favor of this amendment, thank you for coming.

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Peter dorfman just wanted to add a little bit of fresh information when I.

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Say fresh, I mean I spent some time recently with professor henry glassie.

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From iu he's, a professor emeritus taught there for more than 40 years he's a.

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World-Renowned folklorist, he also happens to be an expert on vernacular.

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Architecture in bloomington and our conversation became an article that came.

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Out in the blue magazine that appeared on newsstands today, and I just wanted to.

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Share an impression that he shared with me during that conversation he's written.

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And spoken frequently about bloomington architecture, which he characterizes as.

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Distinctly southern small houses in rows with yards around them small yards.

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Around them in a melting pot of immigrant styles and techniques brought.

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North from kentucky and tennessee to bloomington, where it essentially stops.

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He says you really don't see the characteristic bloomington styles north.

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Of here and those comments I heard again a couple of weeks after I interviewed.

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Dr. glass ii had a presentation that he did on bloomington our architecture at.

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The mathers museum- and he repeated that and showed a number of examples and they.

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Were virtually all examples from the near west side? So the point I'm trying.

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To make is that when you characterized, the near west side, is a neighborhood.

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With a characteristic historic look, you can evaluate that in terms of the.

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Individual houses and the styles that they're built in, but also the totality.

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The small houses, small lots in rows of houses all approximate- that's.

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Approximately the same set back from the street, this is very characteristic of.

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Bloomington and it is a unique asset for the near west side, so thank you. Thank.

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As the gentleman I'm randi cassidy and my first home in bloomington, was the 615.

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West fifth: that's when I was brought home from bloomington hospital and I'm.

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Proud to have been from bloomington westside as the gentleman just.

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Demonstrated not only the character of the homes of the westside, but the.

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Characters of the individuals there, our babysitter, was a waitress at ladies.

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Another one worked at joe lambs: the community on the west side not only took.

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Into consideration the characters and the houses and the demonstration, but it.

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Took into consideration the people in the fabric that have helped make this.

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Community, what we all love for it to be! So, as we look at these rules and these.

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Things that we're doing- let's not forget about not just the residents, the houses.

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And the structures which are important for the character, but also the people as.

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We look at this salvation army and such to take into consideration the ability.

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For those individuals to make and grow their residents into what it needs to be.

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To help with that character in that quality, when we, when I was brought there.

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We were in a one-room thought: it was a two-part duplex. Fortunately, we were able.

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To go to the bigger side, you know: bruce's was kind enough at times to.

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Bring us, you know, meet there, the first smoking booth is, you went in, we learned.

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To climb and and work our muscles by climbing up the fire shoot at the.

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Fairview school and sliding down now we were scolded by mrs. covert for not.

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Going on the sidewalk and cutting through the walk through the grass so.

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When we look at these things, it's not just the homes and the structures, but.

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It's that in underlying characteristic that really makes going this and so take.

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It in consideration always write the rules, not just the structure itself, but.

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The individuals that we want there to make this community what it always has.

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Been we want it to be. Thank you. Thank you. Mr.

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Hi, my name is mark burnett and certainly hoped that council consider strongly.

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Approving this opportunity for the near west side, I think it's a great.

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Opportunity- and I also would like to knit together the idea that this is not.

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Just a historic artifact, but it's a living place with diverse housing.

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Diverse population and diverse opportunities- and I think we can learn a.

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Lot from neighborhoods like this as we move forward with growing our community.

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And it's an awesome template for pursuing the future of bloomington. It's.

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Efficient fiscally this responsible, fiscally it's dense. It provides a myriad.

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Of opportunities, its proximate to the core of our community, which is a.

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Desirable condition today- and I hope we don't just think of these things as.

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Artifacts and that we think of them as the real heart beat of our community and.

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It's certainly something for me personally to look to to learn about how.

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To improve our planning and architectural opportunities in.

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Bloomington. Thank you. Thank you for your comments. Any further comment from the.

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Public on ordinance 1925 as amended, okay, so we'll come back to council now for.

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Any further questions or comment: councilmember simms, thank you and again.

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I want to and I'm sorry I keep screwing up his back lastname. Sometimes I hope is.

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Okay, if I say connor, but I think that was a wonderful presentation. Thank you.

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But like one of the comments that we've just heard, there was there, it lacks some.

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Things, I guess the point I want to make is that I want to make sure.

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That we do a better job of being more inclusive. Historically, when we're doing.

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Legislation with some of these things I mean we've got the pictures and all that.

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A lot of the things that we've heard tonight and some of the things that I am.

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Aware of were based on oral histories, these are things that were passed on.

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From folks to folks I'm one of the common commenters today I live next door.

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At 19, 931 west 7 next door to her mom and I used to hear all the stories when.

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She ran for city council, ran for school board. I think one and ran.

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For school board maybe ran for mayor wants. If I'm back, you know, those are the.

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Type of things that I think that add color for lack of a better term to these.

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To these type of legislations, I think it's well known that that and it's I.

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Don't know whose fault it is, but there has been a whitewashing of history of in.

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Particularly black history over time, so you can do your research and you can.

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Come up with a lot of things and you can find a lot of stuff, but there are just.

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Certain things that aren't there, because it's just being socially whitewashed and.

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I think that's why oral histories are so important.

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Black people early on, I came in 1975, and there was folks here way before me. Trust.

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Me I ended up on the west side learned a whole lot of things.

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Reverend ernie butler was the pastor at second baptist church. At the time.

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The n-double-a-cp was formed in 1968 by reverend butler and mr. clarence gilliam.

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They were instrumental in forming the bloomington human rights commission, okay,.

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One of the things earlier question about african-americans and moving there and.

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And that's true in some cases.

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There's a gentleman named mr. robert motley senior bob. He lives out near.

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Dolan and when he bought his house, I want to say nineteen, fifty or two or.

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Something on the deed, it actually said, do not sell to african-american to black.

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People so we say: there's some unwritten laws and some rules. Well, that may be the.

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Case but there were some written laws and covenants on the deeds. That said,.

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Don't sell your house now, of course, the guy who owned it sold it to him. You see.

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That that's just the one instance, the great majority of the rest of them went.

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To the west side and and they did move there, so I don't want to dispute that.

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But there were real estate agents that would not show houses to black people in.

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Other parts of the city, so that that that's the unwritten part, I think they.

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Wouldn't they wouldn't even you want to buy a house, I'm working at the factory.

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I'm working at showers but we're not going to sell you the house, but we got a.

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Nice house, for you all on the west side and that's how a great majority of the.

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Black people got there there, there were elsewhere, I don't cover dinner, drive.

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Some underground railroad history out there so there's some property out there.

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And where the cemetery? No- that is an anderson family, that I had the pleasure.

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Of working with and knowing and I'm not chastise or anything, I just want to make.

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Sure that we could be historically correct- and hopefully this is added to.

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Some of the legislation and some of the things that we are doing on the west.

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Side center and indicates I was blessed to be able to get to live. There live.

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Right across from banneker center and at the time it was called the west side.

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Center, it was a banneker. Mr. banneker was a black mathematician educator and.

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It was renamed later and glad it did that. But you see these are parts of the.

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History, I'm not from bloomington. I've lived here over 40.

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But but this is the history that I know because it was told to be by miss.

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Bridgewater's mother, her brother, the winners, some of these family. These are.

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The things that I know because they've set and told me these things and there.

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Are some white folks of white people that live on that side? I mean.

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Particularly over in waterman area now same thing for poor white people back in.

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The day same thing, in a lot of cases, I just don't want that overlooked. We head.

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To the bg palmer lodge, I don't know of anyone knows about that. It's a black.

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Elk's or an elks club, but we always called ourselves black elk's. I was.

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Fortunate enough back when I was a lot younger to be president of that club and.

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I always wondered: why do we got this? What we called the hole, the hole, a hole.

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In the wall, actually, when I first met or ran into it, I'm saying you know: they've.

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Got some nice limestone buildings downtown? Why aren't we a part of that? If.

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We're all elks, that's why we had the black outs on the west side called the.

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Hole these are just part of the history that I think and feel free anyone to.

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Correct me, if I just if I misspoke on anything, you probably won't be able to.

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Refute it by looking it up in history, it's not there in many cases, but I just.

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Wanted to bring that point up. I do support this. I think it's a good.

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Designation for the near west side, I think, as I've also heard it is a core. Oh.

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I know it's a core neighborhood, but a pattern, a working pattern. I think that.

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Could work well in other areas just based by looking at how it operates and.

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We'll see how that goes too, so I will support this. I just wanted to make those.

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Points because I think in many cases like I said some of the history itself.

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Just just it is it written, it gets whitewashed.

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I've met a lot of folks, I didn't know a whole lot.

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They worked at showers. I knew the barber. I knew the lady that was doing hair down.

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The street I knew people that were what we call domestics that went and cleaned.

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The houses and places of the more wealthier white people you see so I mean.

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I've met some of these folks when I lived there 79 and it was fascinating.

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To me just to hear all these things, I was kind of like my own hometown hearing.

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From my grandmother and my great-grandma some stuff that I didn't know that I.

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Wasn't been taught in school, so I just I just don't want that to gain to be.

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Whitewashed in this legislative process that will be codified in law, so.

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Hopefully we don't have too many more of these conversations moving forward. Thank.

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You very much thank you for coming councilman chopra you're next.

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My question, I believe, is for staff. I just wanted to get your comment on ms.

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Captain's, the captain of the salvation army concerns and and how you would.

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Respond to this, I believe there are multiple property owners in the district.

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That have share similar concerns that believe that this will will be. You know.

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Place a greater burden on the property owners, because it's more restrictions.

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And property owners also believe that their property should be excluded.

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Because it's not historic, I hear that all the time. I think it's it's a very.

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Bad practice to begin to exclude properties just based on individual.

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Petitions, because they don't want to be part of a district that opens up a door.

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For a lot of other things happening, I think that covers that I'll have one.

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Follow-Up, which is, would you say that their property is.

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Unique in any way unique in that it should be excluded. It should be the way.

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I think that she described where the home was on the property. Is that unique.

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I'm not aware of that that parcel history of why and how that's connected.

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To the salvation army, if it even is, I just know that they own.

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It I appreciate that, thank you, councilman smith. I think councilmember.

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Sandberg was first, oh pardon me come summer, sandburg, thank you, and this was a.

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Little bit of a follow up, I I'm in complete support of this I've. So much.

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Appreciated all the wonderful historic contributions to many of the stories.

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We've already heard about this neighborhood, I especially appreciate mrs. bridgewater's for her commentary and I'm hoping that this oral history.

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And this this pass can also be incorporated into the richness that.

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We've already heard about, but my kind of a follow-up to the salvation army issue.

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I understand when things get designated at the conservation level and then maybe.

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Get elevated up to historic that the historic preservation team committee, as.

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It were are very, very helpful in working with people that are having trouble with.

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Paperwork- and I don't even know if the committee itself, though near west side,.

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Neighborhood could reach out and talk to anybody that finds it burdensome if they.

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Do need to petition for alteration to their structure when they find.

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Themselves, you know included in one of these conservation districts or if the.

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Historic commission itself can also be a resource, but my understanding is this is.

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Not meant to be onerous on property owners if, if anything, there's a lot more.

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Help available for if you have a particular issue with your home, you can.

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Reach out and get additional assistance with that, and so again thank you to the.

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Hard work that's gone into this. I completely support it and one appreciate.

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Everyone who's been here tonight to speak. Thank you. Councilman review, matt.

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Smith, well, I was just gonna basically say the.

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Same thing, in the form of a question to mr. hurt orig, if, if a property owner.

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Such as the salvation army wants to make changes to their property and has.

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Questions and needs help with the bureaucratic process. Is your office.

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Willing to sit down with them. Oh that's my job! That's an idea of majority of the.

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Day, I help property owners through the process. Okay, thank you very much further.

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Comments or questions councilmember ruff, mr. hunter, so real quick. Could you.

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Just take us through, let's say that the the main structure or amps, the main.

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Structure, not the salvation army owns, but it's what the captain described as a.

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Ranch, let's say that that became no longer functional at all for their needs.

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And they wanted to completely take it down and and put something else up that.

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More suited their their needs as they over time. Can you talk through that.

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Process quickly kind of take us through that process of how they would do that.

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That that's a little tricky. I would first have to research the connection of.

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That ranch to the site, if that was part of you, know the site and played an.

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Important role in the operation, the salvation army there, I believe it would.

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Present a stronger case to to keep the structure instead of demolishing it, but.

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If we did research when we found out that it was just a residential structure,.

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That was brought into the salvation army at some later date because it was cheap.

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Then perhaps the commission to be a little more understanding, but you know.

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The commission has a really tough job they have they have to. You know that we.

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Hear stories like this all the time where you know my circumstances have.

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Changed this is no longer useful. We want to get rid of this building and the.

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Historic preservation, commission kind of looks at it, like you know, you're a.

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Steward of this historic house right, these houses have had multiple owners.

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Over the years, we hope it has owners in the future, and so usually, they kind of.

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Stick pretty strong with their guns that if you know the structure is, is you know.

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Is historic and it belongs in neighborhood it's contributing or higher.

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Than its a pretty difficult to demolish it get a certificate of appropriateness.

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To demolish okay, thank you comes from granger.

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Thank you. I, I am one of the ones who appreciates the historical designations.

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Because, however faulty it is we, it does speak to the history of the community.

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And it I think, when, when neighborhoods go through this process, it encourages.

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Them to do research and to find out more about where they live and and how that.

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Community developed and I'm I'm very excited about this and I will be.

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Supporting it, thank you for your work comes mercy. Obama said he hopes. This is.

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The last time he has to explain things, but I hope it's not. I think the history.

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Is so much richer when we understand what it really means and what these.

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Neighborhoods are andrew glassy talks about the material culture, but it's the.

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Stories that that the material culture holds and embodies that is so important.

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And so significant, so these these objects that were saving do all have.

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Stories and the more we understand the depth of those stories, the the better it.

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Is for our whole community one thing that marcona didn't say he.

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Likes to say this, and I like it too, because it says these structures are the.

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Dna of the city, you know this is how the city reproduces itself. This is how it.

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Grew there's a sort of organic level to how cities develop and that's the other.

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Fascinating part of people coming from the south with patterns from other.

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Countries from other eras that came here and.

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Almost like, like a like an organism and this, the the memory of these preserving.

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These historic dna structures of our city they'll, be there for other.

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Generations to study and learn, you know we went through a period where we didn't.

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Appreciate this kind of dna and now we've rediscovered it- it was built.

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Before there were automobiles and we're starting to realize, this was built for.

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Walkers this was built for people. These details are not built for driving by at.

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60 miles an hour they're built to enjoy as you walk so there's, there are a lot.

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Of levels to preservation and I'm thrilled that this is coming about- I.

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Hope, fellow councillors, council members will support. Thank you. Mr. herrick, I had.

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A question it occurred to me, so it's fascinating to hear these personal.

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Accounts and from councilmember sims and this bridgewater and miss duffy, is there.

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An opportunity to preserve those is your office, a repository of those of those.

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Accounts and and how would people go about sharing that making sure that.

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Those stories are preserved, you know, you don't need an official office or agency.

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To preserve our oral histories, I know the prospect hill neighborhood had an.

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Oral history project that they took upon themselves to interview and record some.

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Of the residents had been there for a long time, but a long official lines. I.

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Know the monterey county history center would be the place to go. It would be a.

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Repository for that kind of knowledge, I see okay. Thank you. Thank you, for that is.

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Counsel, my rolling do you comment yeah.

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I just finished a degree in geography and one of the things that I learned the.

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Easy way to think about it, as geography is to the where, as history is to the.

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Wind, their their cousins, and you know, I think that that word is missing from the.

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Phrase, historic preservation, we're not just talking about preserving all kinds.

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Of history, we're specifically talking about preserving the history of things.

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Built in a certain place, built things, geographic things, its historic.

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Geographic preservation, what's the point of this preservation, we don't want to.

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Preserve everything about the past, I don't want to preserve diseases that we.

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Got before running water, as clever I mean I don't want to preserve as clever.

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As houses were built before the advent of hvac technology, I don't want to go.

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Back to that, even though I want to keep the forms that made houses cool back.

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Before we had machines to do it, what we're preserving is architecture but.

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More importantly, the scale of an area, the pedestrian scale the house is on.

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Streets, the relatively close distances between the houses and the street and.

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The houses at each other, the modest sizes, the dimensions that encourage.

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Interaction and conversation that create neighbors and neighborhoods the backs of.

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These houses are not as important as the fronts because the public space at the.

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Houses and the streets collectively create are the parts that matter most. I.

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Only wish that as councillor brewster baum said the city, this part of the city.

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Had reproduced itself throughout the rest of the city, but too many parts of.

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Our city and many other american cities are built around the assumption that.

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Automobiles are and should be, primary automobiles, which compress geography and.

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Eliminate the physical need for pedestrianism, but which didn't take into.

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Account the social importance of pedestrian scale, so this is why we're.

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Here, this is why we have historic preservation. It's the preservation of geography, sorc geography, and this.

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Geography is important not primary to the city of bloomington.

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And we should be striving to reproduce it everywhere. We started, you saw it in a.

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Couple of places there's wanted to enlighten developers in town who have.

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Built on this scale on south done street, on where the new hop scotch coffee is by.

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The b-line trail we need more development like that, and it's very hard.

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To develop a whole new neighborhood like this anymore, let alone one that doesn't.

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Assume the car comes first, so absolutely I support this and it's why I support.

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Historic preservation in general, but if we started adding the word geographic to.

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It it might make more sense what specifically we're trying to do with.

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This thank you. Thank you. Any further comment from council. It's a.

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Recommendation questions been calls and seconded on ordinance in 1925, as amended.

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Will the clerk please call the roll councilmember sims? Yes? Yes, yes, granger.

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Yes? Yes, yes, yes sandburg! Yes, mr. baum! Yes, thank you.

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Ordinance 1925 is adopted, 9 0. Thank you all for coming. Who spoke this evening.

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Mr. president, I move that ordinance 1923 be introduced in red by title and.

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Synopsis, only it's been moved and seconded that ordinance 1923 be.

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Introduced and read by the clerk by tunnel schnapps us only own favor, say.

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Aye aye any opposed well. The clerk. Please read.

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Ordinance 1923 to amend a planned unit, development, district, ordinance and.

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Approve a preliminary plan regarding 1201 west allen, street hilltop meadow.

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Llc petitioner, your synopsis as follows: ordinance 1923 would amend an existing.

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Pud and approve a pud district ordinance and preliminary plan to allow a new.

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Multi-Family residential development, your land-use committee recommendation.

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Was due passed, 3 0 0, madam vice president, I moved that ordinance 1923, be.

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Adopted need a second.

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Sorry about that, the ryan roebling zoning planner. We were.

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Good to go sorry, okay, thank you. This petitions for.

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The property located at 1201 west-allen, the property, is currently zoned a pud.

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The property is currently developed with a vacant mobile home park. The.

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Comprehensive plan has identified the property as neighbourhood residential.

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The surrounding properties to the north and west have been developed with a.

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Multi-Family dwelling apartment buildings and the properties to the east.

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And south have been developed with light manufacturing. The petitioner is.

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Proposing to amend the current pud, this amendment would remove mobile homes as.

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An improved use, it would also allow multifamily residences, as I approved use,.

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The petitioners photo proposing to adopt the residential high density.

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Multi-Family district standards with two modifications: the first modification.

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Will allow for a maximum impervious surface coverage of 65% the current rh.

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District has a maximum impervious surface coverage of 50%. The second.

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Modification would be to allow a maximum of 1.15 parking spaces per bedroom. The.

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Rh district has a maximum of one parking space per bedroom. The proposed site plan.

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Includes two three-story buildings containing 48 efficiency units and nine.

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Two-Story buildings containing a total of 24 one-bedroom units, 32 two-bedroom.

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Units and 10 three-bedroom townhouses the two buildings containing the 10.

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Townhouses will be planted for individual sale, the total of the site.

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Will contain 114 units and 166 bedrooms is combined to create a total eight.

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Point seven eight dwelling units per acre the addition. In addition, the asite.

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Will contain two accessory structures, a leasing office and a maintenance.

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Building there were we 172 surface parking spaces and 10 two.

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Car garages proposed, which will put the site at 1.15 parking spaces per bedroom.

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The total site is at 57% impervious surface coverage. Current proposed the.

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Proposed site will host a community garden in the center of the site. The.

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Petitioners also identified bicycle parking spaces shown here in red into.

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Accessory structures, a tool in a pergola shown here in black the.

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Petitioner has also secured an agreement for an easement to allow pedestrians to.

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Enter the properties to the south and west, the petitioner has proposed to.

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Build a bus, shelter at a currently existing transit, stop along west allen.

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Just north of the property, this is the proposed up front elevation for the two.

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Three-Story buildings, which will host the studio units. This is the proposed.

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Front elevation for the two two-story buildings which will host 1-bedroom.

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Units this is it the proposed front elevation for the two two-story.

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Buildings which will host the two-bedroom units- and this is the.

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Proposed elevation for the three-bedroom townhouses, which again will be plotted.

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For individual sale and will feature two car garage parking in the rear, the.

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Comprehensive plan has designated this as both neighborhood residential in.

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Yellow and invite employment center in blue as the lines of the comprehensive.

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Plan are intended to be flexible as this city is developed, the department feels.

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That neighborhood residential is the most appropriate district to analyze.

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This proposal, the comprehensive plan, offers these points in for development.

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Approvals, the development should be composed primarily of densities, ranging.

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Between 2 and 15 units per acre with single hand, family housing being the.

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Dominant land-use activity, with some multi-family housing also being suitable.

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Building should be no more than three and often less than two storeys site.

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Should be optimized for street bicycle and pedestrian connectivity to adjacent.

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In surrounding neighborhoods neighborhood focal points should be.

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Created including gateways, centers pocket parks and other neighborhoods serving land uses sites should ensure appropriate linkages to neighborhood.

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Destinations are provided, large development should be developed with.

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Traditional street grids in short blocks and then just support incentives that.

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Increase owner occupancy and affordability, the proposed pud amendment.

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Will increase density on the property immediately, surrounded by other.

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High-Density developments and local employers, the proposed 15 units per acre.

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Also be in line with the goals of the comprehensive plan. The comprehensive plan supports the creation of the proposed proposed to community garden as.

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It will support the support the creation of urban agricultural uses in the city.

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While the street and parking designs do not directly meet the goals of the.

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Comprehensive plan the department feels that this design is acceptable, given the.

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Size and shape of this site, as well as as well as the surrounding uses, the.

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Proposed inclusion of an affordable housing would also be suit. It also be a.

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Public benefit the petitioner has worked with the city staff in order to come to.

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An agreement which describes the workforce, housing commitment and the.

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Owner occupied housing commitment, the commitments language has been written up.

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By city's legal counsel, the final agreement has yet to be agreed upon the.

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Planning commission heard this case on september 19th meeting and voted eight.

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To zero to send us a comment console with favorable recommendation with the.

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Following conditions that the final plan approval be delegated to planning and.

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Transportation staff all required bicycle parking, meet chapter five of the.

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Unified development ordinance, the petitioner shall continue to work in a.

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Good-Faith effort with the city to provide permanent, affordable housing.

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Options in the development, the petitioner petitioner will provide.

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On-Site recycling for residents the vegetated buffer shall be shown on the.

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Plan and protected by orange fencing the petitioner shall work with the.

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Department, senior environmental planner to identify food sheets that can be used.

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As x6x successful replacement for up to a maximum of fifty percent of the.

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Required interior trees prior to the issuance of the grading permit.

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Landscaping plans shall be approved by the planning and transportation department. All open spaces, including bump-outs and islands, must meet. You do.

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Of requirements and the petitioner will well meet with a commitment to the.

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Satisfaction of city staff that would describe both the workforce, housing.

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Commitment and the owner occupied housing commitment prior to the council.

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Hearing of the petition, thank you. Thank you. Mr. roebling, with the.

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Petitioner, now like to present.

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Mark lochley, my family are the developers of what we're calling the.

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Gardens a more representative, bloomington development, the reason that.

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I did that is that in the previous meeting I had called it a non-student.

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Development, but also in reality, we do, except we do least to students. It wasn't.

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Very clear- and I just wanted to make sure that everyone understood that and we rent to everyone. So again, the site is a five acre site, the near west side on.

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Allen street, behind catalan and schulte: this is a six hundred and thirty.

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Thousand square foot riff- and this is approaching an 800 thousand square foot.

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Roof and best beers is to our east and the site is what you see here in yellow.

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Patterson drive is here: allen crosses east-west another shot of the site on.

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The looking towards the east, just to kind of show you the industrial here.

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That south and east and the existing condos to directly to the west and.

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Residential high-density to the north of us.

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And in an existing development that our family owns and developed from between.

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99 and 2017, so the existing aerial- and this is what we're proposing. So we have.

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Two only two three-story buildings which have 48 efficiencies, which is 42 percent.

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Of the development, the middle section here are one in 2 bedrooms and as.

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Planning said we have 10 three-bedroom two-and-a-half-bath.

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Units here and on the south side, a little maintenance.

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Shed a leasing office here, the leasing office is a net zero building which.

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Means that it will be it'll create all of its own power through photovoltaic.

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That I'll show you here as we go to the model, the 3d model zoom in and out for.

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You again, we are building a transit, stop not on our land.

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It is adjacent to us, but we agreed with the property owner john jacobs, to build.

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A brand new bus shelter that, obviously we will both use he'll maintain it.

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Because it's on his site, but we will build it for him. It's a it's! A bus, stop.

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With a rain garden on the back, it takes all of the rain water and gutters it to.

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A garden which will be on the back side of it another shot of it. This is a.

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Building that is actually under that's under construction right now and will be.

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Finished for next year, this is a shot of our bicycle parking, the garage, the.

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Garbage and recycling and then our maintenance shop here on the back, the.

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Maintenance shop will have a green roof like the one that we just built. It's.

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This one will be just under a thousand square feet, so it'll have under a.

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Thought it'll have bright, add about a thousand square feet of a green roof. We.

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Did again, we did get connectivity on the southeast corner of the development.

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Through best beers, best beers is going to give us an easement to cross their.

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Property and connect to the seaside walk which will directly lead to catalan one.

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Of our target markets actually a main target market, to be honest with you of.

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Of who's going to live here are the people that are working in catalan.

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Catalan is adding 200 jobs within the next 24 months. They're. You know.

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Approaching a thousand employees and we would love to help provide housing for.

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Them which is right next door, so they'd be able to walk directly to work. We have.

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Current residents right now that live in the existing development just nexus and.

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They actually have to hop in their car and drive. What is the equivalent of what.

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Would be 300 feet as the crow flies, but as a quarter mile around.

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To get to to go to work, which is a bit a bit asinine so again, this is a shot that.

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Shows the existing what's existing here, and this is the city sidewalk- that we're.

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Going to be connecting to madeline right here, another shot of the garden area.

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Again, this will be a community garden that the new development, and also the.

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Existing development will be utilizing, there's 16 large garden plots which will.

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Be subdivided in half to thirty-two garden plots so they're they're 20 by 10.

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And the garden plots will end up being 10 by 10 and any excess vegetables are.

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Fruit or really anything that is excess will be donated. Then we'll suggest to.

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The residents that they donated to mothers have recovered, which is across.

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The street directly north of this development, this will also be serviced.

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With three underground tanks and will water using rainwater and a pump system.

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Will be watering the garden with that a shot from the leasing office to the to.

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The development and again this is our fishin c buildings. We have 24 units in.

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Each building 48 total and these units range between 505 to 550 square feet. The.

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Average is about the 535 square feet and here in the leasing office, you'll see.

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The pv that we will be installing with like what we did in the last development.

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We installed a 12 kilowatt hour kvh system, and this will again will will.

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Generate all of the power needed for this leasing office, another shot of the.

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Garden area and then again to the numbers so 48 efficiencies, which is 42.

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Percent of the of the total development 24 one bedrooms so already would be two.

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Ones and efficiencies you're over 63 percent of the total.

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Element 32 two bedrooms at 28% and then three bedroom. Three sorry, ten.

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Three-Bedroom townhomes, that are nine percent of the development you can see.

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There to the far right the average proposed rent, which is.

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Between 150 to 200 dollars cheaper than market anywhere around us and the reason.

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We're able to do that is our family's owned this land since 1994, and so we.

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Paid it we made for it a long time ago and we're trying to sort of pass that on.

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To that savings to the resident, we're also very cognizant of the fact that.

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There was a trailer park there before there were 36 trailers, and that is a.

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Form of low income, affordable housing, and so we wanted to do a development.

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That kept that in mind, we know that we, we are replacing affordable housing with.

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What we think is another affordable component, so 114 units and 15 percent of.

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Of the beds for the development will be workforce. Housing, as planning has.

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Already said, sustainable, you know where the rubber meets the road as far as what.

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Do we do that's sustainable? What's green, we have we build, we are our own gc and.

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So we try and build as green and as efficient as possible. We do that by.

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Putting high-efficiency heat pumps in each unit, energy, star appliances,.

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Low-Flow plumbing fixtures. As an example, we do dual stage toilets one units, a.

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Gallon for one and one point, six, four, two and and that actually that cuts down.

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Significantly on the water, we just did a study at park south to the hillside and.

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Henderson development- and we were, I think, 35 30, 35 percent, lower per unit.

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Than what cb you had quoted us, we would be, and it's because we we really watch.

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Fixtures that that don't use as much water, we do very large windows for.

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Natural light bringing them and bringing it into the unit again a green roof over.

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The shop, a pv system, the community garden, this 4500 underground rain barrel.

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That we're proposing a little orchard that will that will surround the the.

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Garden resident composting, which we do already at a our current development at.

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Park, south and recycling collection we do as a company every development that.

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We have and also the houses that we have, we offer recycling so every every unit.

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That we own has the has the ability to recycle and we encourage it again. We're.

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Going to do a cover, a new covered bus stop and the development is designed to.

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Dark sky design guidelines and that's something actually that I would also.

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Urge as a side note for the new you do, I think that's something. That's very.

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Important we're all talking about pollution. Pollution comes in many different forms and one of them's light pollution. So we designed to this.

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Guideline we've also to that we've included bat houses, and this will also.

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Include a half mile, walking running path and then a small workout facility in the.

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Leasing office and then the public good well there'll, be you know, I'm I'm not.

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Paying my way out of this problem, we are building direct units that will go for.

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Workforce housing immediately and we think that this development is my.

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Family's best foot forward and tackling this affordable housing crisis and our.

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Small in a small way, this development in a real way generates its own power and.

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It cleans and reuses and the stormwater we have an outdoor garden for recreation.

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We have a an agreement with mother hubbard cupboard to donate unused.

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Produce that is generated from this community garden and.

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And we rent to what we call the rio bloomington, which is everyone else.

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Generally but then undergrads we do renta undergrads, but that's not our.

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Target market: it's not our target market, not just for this development, but as a company as a whole. So this is just a quick shot of the pv system that we.

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Installed and the monitoring system at park south we're going to do an.

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Identical system, so this was actually a screenshot from last month, but this one.

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Her already generated 18 point 2 megawatt hours in the little over one.

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Year had been installed so we're you know and had displaced 28,000 pounds of.

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Co2, which is really cool, again dark sky. How does that? What is that, in real terms.

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This is the graduate hotel, which was built very recently, and you can see that.

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There's a lot of up lighting that that goes up into the sky as opposed to the.

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Development we just finished hillside and henderson, where there is a clear.

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Line all the way the development at the first floor downwards, there's no up.

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Lighting there's no light, that's being generated directly up as an example. This.

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Is my shop in behind the the development- and this is another shot of the.

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Courtyard again, lighting that just goes straight down and what do the units are.

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Gonna, look inside I've had some comments that you know, efficiencies can't look cute and I I disagree. This is a unit that we built at park south. That is five.

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Hundred and thirty square feet has its own bedroom super cute. This is a unit that is the true efficiency with a sleeping area, but.

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And you have a small kitchen, but it has everything that you need and we're very.

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Very, very proud of them, and then, who, who are we we're a local company? We use.

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Local subs we've been here since 1992 we're on our second generation already.

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95% of my suppliers are low. A hundred percent of my contractors are.

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Local and I'm not local, like within the state, I'm like local within the.

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Tri-County area, most of them here in monroe county, we have one that's in.

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Lawrence coming from lawrence county, but they are here, their employees are from.

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Here the dollars that we spend our you know stay here as opposed to some others.

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And as a company where we are, we are really committed to local, sustainable.

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Ecologically and responsible housing, so let me take you to the 3d quickly, so.

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Again, best beers to our east. We have the existing development right here. That was.

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Built this, these two buildings were built 2017. We have some buildings that.

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Were built in 99 and then these two buildings were built in 2016. There are.

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47 units 47 units and we have 60 beds and 69 cars, so you'll see.

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Unfortunately, our overflow, because we we can't park on allen- and we are.

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Landlocked completely, we have cars that are parked up and down our private drive.

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Which isn't the greatest, but it you know, we have to park people so, and so we have.

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Our parking area that actually runs through we've tried to do internal.

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Connectivity within the development, because we only have one access here on.

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Allen, as was stated before, and then the the bus stop that we're building is here.

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On the corner, as you probably know, there's no sidewalk on the south side of.

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Allen, I believe, there's one coming at some point, but as of now, there is an.

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Aside, walk on this portion of allen streets, so the my residence right now.

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Have to come and make a and hang a left to go to this bus stop instead of the.

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Bus stop right directly in front of them. Others have recovered.

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We have lots of bicycle parking again covered parking here and here uncovered.

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Parking between buildings and in front of the garden area and again we have our.

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Pv system on the leasing office here and the green roof here on the shop on the.

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South on the southwest corner right here.

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That's really all I have and be more than happy to answer any questions. Thank.

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You, mr. luckily, before we go to questions, let's have the opportunity for.

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Land use committee to and anything there's numbers not much to report the.

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Committee voted it favorably 3-0. I think the individual members may raise their.

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Issues during questions, but mostly we found it as the plan commission did to.

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Be mostly exemplary, pud, nothing else. Okay. Before we go to questions, I think.

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We do we have an amendment, it could be offered.

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Second, reduce the maximum allowable impervious surface from 6065 percent to.

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57, persecute and actually 57 percent is what is reflected in the current plans.

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That the petitioner has brought before us, but for some reason there was an.

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Allowance for up to 65 percent and I would like to eliminate that extra.

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Allowance we're already going over the what the rh district would require, which.

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Is 50 percent, so we can go over 57 percent. I would be favorable to the.

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Proposal but I do not want to allow 65 percent, I think that's excessive, so.

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That's the amendment all right. Thank you. Mr. luckily, would you like to comment on.

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On d, I have no problem. I agree with that. Your favorite, yes, I am in staff. Ok, very.

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Good, are there any questions for the amendment? Okay, we'll go to public if the.

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Public casts any comments on the amendments to ordinance 1923.

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Seeing no public we're back to council comment or a recommendation, call the.

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Question questions been calling second, on the amendment to ordinance. 1923 will.

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The city clerk, please call the roll :. Yes,.

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Rallo, yes, granger. Yes, piedmon smith; yes, chopra! Yes, ruff, yes, sandburg! Yes,.

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Turbo, yes, simms. Yes, it's 9-0 that amendment is adopted, 9 0. Thank you.

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All right now back to the ordinance as amended.

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We run questions, counsel, marveling, what you like again, yes again, mr. lucky, I.

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Want to thank you for an excellent presentation and a very good project.

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You know the issue you and I have always debated, is.

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Parking I'll have comments later, but the one.

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Question I have is if the the parking ratio is very suburban in scale, 0.8 is.

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The limit that we start describing the ratio of parking to bedroom says.

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Suburban, if you had to reduce parking 2.8, how much do you think you would have.

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To lower your rent in order to to get 100% rented, you know honestly, I it's.

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It's not about the rental amount, it's about the reality of this of the.

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Residents that I rent to you know we have professionals that would that work.

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At iu and at at catalan and at cook and a number of them, a crane in indianapolis.

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And they use cars to get to those places. As again like I said, we have 40 in the.

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Existing development, that's next to this, we have 47 units, 60 beds, 68 cars and.

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That is, with one person a retiree, a 93 year old woman who has doesn't have any.

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Cars in a two-bedroom, so we have a lot of couples in one bedrooms that are.

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Saving for a house or not sure that they're going to be here for very long.

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Don't want to buy a house can't afford can't afford a two-bedroom who have two.

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Cars because that's how they get to and from work so if they have, if they have.

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These two cars and they need somewhere to park, and I don't have parking they're.

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Probably not going to rent from me. No, I understood that so when you know it said.

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Would I have what would I have to do to reduce rent to attract them? I don't.

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Honestly, I don't know I that was for this way. If, if you had, I mean this is.

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We're in a housing crisis nationwide, let alone locally.

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Your ideal tenants, the ones that you you prefer would have cars. But if you didn't.

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Have as much park and you couldn't offer as much parking, you would be looking at.

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Tenants who would be riding the bus and that bus stop that you're going to be.

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Right and you know, they're gonna be able to afford less right well, which, which.

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Also in the new transit schedule, my busses are going to be actually cut off.

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On saturday and sunday, at six o'clock, which is the perfect time for my.

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Residents to be going out having a meal enjoying a an iu game, a show, a concert.

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You know, and so that it puts it, puts me at even a greater disadvantage, while I'm.

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Marketing to these people to say: hey, listen while you're, not working and.

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You're on a weekend, you know you're going to you're not going to be able to.

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Use public transportation and I don't have parking for you. Thank you. Yeah.

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Councilmember granger, thank you. The plant commission, I believe asked for.

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Commitment to affordable housing or you seem to have an a commitment to work.

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Force housing, I'm just wondering if there's any movement on that heavy, we.

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Are in agreement on 99% of everything, there is one one sentence in chapter.

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Seven, it's the last sentence that forces meet these these ten condos. We have the.

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Intention of putting them up for sale at- and this is the last phase of the.

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Development when it's done in four or five years- and I have been very sort of.

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Steadfast in the way that I presented it, that is our intention to sell, but if not.

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We will lease those, it all depends on what the market is doing at the time. So.

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Today, we put them up for sale. Obviously, two thousand: this is a 2008.

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Scenario over again, I'm going to want to lease those until the market improves to.

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Be able to sell it and right now the language reads that I have I'm forced to.

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Put them up for sale regardless of market conditions, so that is the only.

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Thing that we are sort of going back and forth on and besides that I'm I agree on.

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Everything else it's agreed to I've stated very publicly that we are that we are. This is there's gonna, be a workforce.

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Housing component we've agreed on the number of beds we've agreed to how it's.

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Going to be treated the percentage of ami, for you know for these units, that's.

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That's all been agreed to it's just that single line so but you're not you're, not.

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Providing affordable housing just work for sal's, I'm providing workforce.

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Housing, that's correct. Okay, thank you. Further questions from council. I had one.

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The garden space there adjacent to those particular residences are they meant for.

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Those or they could they be for anyone there for anyone that that leases from.

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Us and that in in those in in not just the new development but the one. That's.

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Adjacent to it I see, and if they're not in use with we will, my staff will will.

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Tell them and turn them into flat into annual flower beds so that they're not.

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You know just eyesores we're going to turn it into a positive, regardless of.

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But we're really going to encourage people to use them, because I mean to be.

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Able to grow your own food in an urban area. That's that's, really cool and again.

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My market they're out of school they're working to be outside as incredibly.

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Healthy to be able to you know to have a garden that is, you know there aren't.

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Very many multifamily developments that give you that opportunity, and so we're.

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Really going to push that and encourage there's no fee there's a tool if you.

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Uh-Oh who's gonna, ask about that, so you have a facility for it yeah. We have a.

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Facility there, a tool shed that will be that will be accessed for the residents.

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Right here with a punch code key and they can leave their tools there. We also.

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Have a pergola actually the the newest design, and now the pergola is about.

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Twice the size to be able to have people hang out, read a book with it's nice.

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They'll be under they'll, be seating underneath there to kind of hang out.

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And be in the garden space, we really want to be able to it's an urban.

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Development, but we won't be able people to be able to kind of go outside and and.

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Enjoy it and again, there's also a half mile walking trail around the.

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Development, you can kind of see it here and it wraps around right here. It's it.

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It also comes up and connects that the model doesn't show it connects around.

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And it's a half it's exactly a half mile for one revolution and we're just going.

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Encourage people to come outside and use the space is, it are they raised, but yes,.

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Them raised beds and, and my other question was about the storage water.

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Storage, yes from roof, runoff, it's not from pavement runoff! No! No! It's from.

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Roof runoff. We did the same thing at park south, so the two buildings that are.

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Actually on the street fill 3,000 gallons and we have a 4,500 gallons.

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System here and the the runoff from these three buildings will dump into.

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Into that and then with those fill it will go into the detention pond.

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Wonderful: okay! If there's no further questions we'll go to the public.

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Ordinance 1927 as amended. There's any public comment. Oh I'm sorry is it 19 23.

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23 pardon me seeing none we're back to.

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Council, for any other follow-up questions or comment, any questions.

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Seeing none and comments customer service committee, I was trying really.

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Hard to find something not to like about this very good project. Thank you.

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Councilman granger, thank you. It's. I believe that you're, the.

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Petitioner is very committed to making something work and I think this will.

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Work there's a lot that I like about it, the gardening. I think that's really cool.

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The dark sky design.

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I really really appreciate that there is too much light going up and I really.

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Like that, I'm discouraged that there's not affordable housing, the I'm pretty.

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Sure that what was there, what is there, I believe, they've all moved out, that was.

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Affordable a workforce housing is needed, but affordable housing is needed as well.

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But that's not gonna. Stop me from approving this. Thank you. Thank you.

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Customer simms, unlike my colleague I tend to look for everything I can't.

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Alike- and there is a lot to like in this project- I do share some of the concerns.

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I'm with our housing needs, affordable housing is definitely a need, but I think.

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From a reality standpoint, I also understand that not every one of the.

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Projects will be able to contain that, but still add to our housing inventory. I.

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Am impressed and correct me if I'm wrong here, I think you said a compared to.

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Market rate, all the rents will be about a hundred and fifty dollars a month, less.

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Than the market rate which isn't quite affordable, but I still think that's very.

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Attractive as well in including with the workforce housing, so I can support this.

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Maybe at some point we can work on a more robust transit system that we could.

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Help some other things, and I appreciate your attitude dealing with with our.

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Traffic concerns as well the reality versus where we're headed in a future.

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Sometimes though, there seem to be in conflict, so thank you for that. I can.

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Support this, thank you. Councilmember sandberg, supportive of this project.

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Since it first came across the planning commission's purview.

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I appreciate the thoughtfulness of the petitioner and how you develop with your.

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Clients in need, you know your client, you know your market with respect to.

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Affordable housing: yes, we need affordable housing in this community, but.

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As someone who's now serving on our housing technical committee, I was just.

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At a meeting today, with our growth projections, we need housing period. We.

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Are woefully behind in keeping up with the kind of housing stock that people.

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Who do work in this area? The catalan, tand and people who are in need of that.

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Type of housing, it's going to feel fill a real niche all across the board and.

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The more we expand our ability to encourage and incentivize building in.

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General, the quicker we're going to get to affordable so for many reasons that.

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Have already been mentioned, this is a good project I completely and.

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Wholeheartedly support it. Thank you very good. Any other comment. Council.

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Member chopra, yes, like my other council members, said there's a lot to like about.

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This project- I say this every time they come to the council, because I just think.

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It's so important, this group rented to me as a young woman business owner who.

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Unfortunately, wasn't always treated with respect when I was looking for a place.

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To rent my business- and I will tell you that these folks were so respectful to.

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Me and so good to me that it will forever leave a mark on me. So perhaps.

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You'll come someday with a total crap project, they'll be like they're.

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Wonderful and I won't even notice, but I just want to let you know that more than.

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Just because sometimes all these great things just sound like itself, like oh.

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They're doing it because they want to get approval, it's not true. They really.

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Care care about our community and they about the people that they work with.

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Both as as a commercial and their resident tenants, oh thank you look.

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Forward to voting yes for the comment, councilman peanuts, myth of this project.

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And I will be voting. Yes, it is infill development. So it's an.

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Appropriate place for for higher density, I think it's adjacent to multifamily.

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Housing, so I think the the location is appropriate. It is very close to a bus.

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Stop to two bus stops and one of them will be getting a new shelter which is.

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Great a covered shelter they don't have. Now. I really like the pedestrian.

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Connection as mr. lafley said, you know it's ridiculous, that somebody who lives.

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So close to katalin would have to get in a car to go there to work. So this.

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Pedestrian connection is very important. The net zero leasing office is wonderful.

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I think it's great to have these examples in our community of how we can.

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Have as efficient not just energy efficient but self-sustaining buildings.

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Hopefully we can do that on a larger scale eventually, but this is a good.

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Aspect of the project as well, there are a lot of sustainable development.

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Features that I, like the workforce housing component, I think, is a public.

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Benefit of course, we'd love to see affordable housing rather than workforce.

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Housing so even lower rents, but you know people have to make the financials work.

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As well and finally, I like the fact that it is a local developer. This is a family.

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That's been here a long time until recently, mr. lau flea lived right next.

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Door to this development, so they're here to stay they care about our community.

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Just as a footnote, a couple things that I wish were different about the project.

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But I understand that they're probably not feasible.

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I really it does bother me somewhat to see a higher percentage of impervious.

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Surface then it's used in the the template zoning district so to speak.

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The rh district 50% here we have 57 percent and that's related to the.

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Parking whenever I see a parking ratio, that's higher than one space per bedroom.

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That bothers me, because that shows that we're really not trying to incentivize.

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Other transportation methods, but it kind of goes forward into the future as a.

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Package, so we need to get that higher density of people living in that area to.

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Make it feasible to have the bus stop more than once an hour, for example, to.

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Create those bicycle routes to eventually hopefully not need as much.

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Parking, but from what mr. alfie said right next door if they have 60 bedrooms.

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69 cars, so we're not there yet, and you know I don't want to put him on.

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The chopping block as saying you're, the one who has to change everybody's habits.

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But you know in the future I hope to see a reduction in parking, but going back to.

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All the positives, I think it is a good project and he'll be voting in favor.

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Thank you. Other comment comes from irvine yeah. Everything about this.

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Project is great, as is typical for a luckly project. The short history of the.

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Land use committee has seen many ambivalent votes 1 to 103 1. We forwarded.

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Negative recommendations to the full council before for it to pass.

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Unanimously says something about the bona fides of this developer. My.

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Colleagues have already commented on many of the positive features of the.

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Project literally, every developer should be required to present their project in.

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3D, as mr. lockley does through sketchup, the only glaring problem for me is the.

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Parking it's it's awful to me. The one thing missing from the project is from.

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The views and sketchup is the parking lot full of all the cars that will.

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Supposedly be there, so we can see what it looks like with cars. This aspect of.

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The project simply put is not sustainable because it does nothing to.

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Discourage cars and individual vehicle miles, traveled.

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If catalan workers are a target market and they can't walk 300 feet and they.

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Have to drive a quarter mile to work, I mean that's just pathetic to me. I sure.

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There's gonna be some catalan workers who say I don't need parking, because you.

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Know I've got to walk to work riding my bike for the few things I need that are.

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Not near work a lot of the commendable sustainability aspects of this project.

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Are negated by the sheer suburban amount of parking we're looking at here? If it.

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Weren't for the nationwide neason the nationwide need for housing. I would say.

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No, I would gladly have approved more units or more garden space in exchange.

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For fewer parking spaces in this project, and now you know why I've been pushing.

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For parking maximums and why, ideally I'd like to have a law that requires all.

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Landlords to unbundle parking from their rent so that some apartment dwellers can.

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Choose not to pay for parking, they don't need and to make less parking and a.

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Project like this more competitive with projects that have way too much parking.

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And are contributing to sprawl the other problem with this project, a minor.

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Problem is connectivity, but there's reasons why they couldn't make it. I mean.

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This is an infill project, but it's basically a giant cul-de-sac. They.

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Couldn't get permission from best beers to put a road through to the east and.

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There's a great change to the south that made a prohibitive to put a road that.

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Way, even if they've got have gotten permission from the big parking lot and.

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The giant building to the south, so it's a real shame, because this is the kind of.

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Place that would have done so much better with just a couple of small road.

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Connections that would have allowed for greater traffic flow and maybe a.

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Different layout of the buildings that would have more resembled real streets.

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Instead, they're gonna be giant parking lots with a drive lane and perpendicular.

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Parking on both sides, but again as as much as I object to those things, there's.

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So many good things to this project, not the least of which is the developer and.

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Their quality of their work that I am happy to join my colleagues and voting.

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For it, it's a rare yes vote from the land use committee and under the xu's ii.

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Astok, yes, vote from the council. Thank you and good luck. There's! No other.

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Comment I'll make mine, I think it's a wonderful package. I like to see.

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Proposals petitions that raise the bar said expectations for future pud s and.

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This is one of them. I think it's it's it's superb. I won't go into all the.

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Details a little footnote I saw there were places for shrubs. I think fruiting.

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Shrubs would be wonderful, you're, probably already thinking about that. I I also like the awareness of light pollution. I think I was aware of.

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The graduate as well and it's, I think, it's a terrible example and by the way.

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It also sets a terrible example with green roofs. I understand it has an astroturf roof, the graduate notes of planning and transportation. The graduate.

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Hotel, so I think this has it's a wonderful package. I think that it really.

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Raises that bar and I'd like to see that so with that, as a recommendation call.

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The question: okay: the question has been called second and on ordinance 1923 as.

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Amended the clerk. Please call the roll councilmember rolla, yes, ranger. Yes,.

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Piedmont: smith; yes, chopra, yeah, ruff, yes sandburg; yes, mr. baum, yeah,.

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Simms yes bowling, yes, ordinance 1923 as a minute.

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Is adopted, 9 0? Thank you very much and good luck. Mr. president, I move.

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Resolution, sorry, is it a resolution or an ordinance? It says resolution.

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Ordinance 1918, which is it the corrected agenda, says resolution. Thank you.

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Okay resolution 1918 be introduced and read by title and synopsis. Only it's.

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Been moved in second and that resolution 1918 be introduced and written by the.

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Clerk by telling synopsis only well in favor, say aye aye any opposed with a quick peek. Please read resolution 1918 to offer to approve.

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And authorize the execution of a collective bargaining agreement between.

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The city of bloomington and the fraternal order of police.

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Don owens memorial lodge 88 the synopsis is as follows. This resolution approves.

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And authorizes the execution of a four year: collective bargaining agreement.

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Between the city of bloomington and the fraternal order of police, tom owens,.

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Memorial lodge 88. Thank you. Mr. president, I moved that resolution 1918.

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Be adopted, thank you, mr. ricker, so members, michael rooker city attorney for.

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The city of bloomington, for more than a year and a half the city and the.

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Fraternal order of police have been negotiating a new collective bargaining.

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And bargaining agreement this past november, the parties arrived.

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In terms and the membership of the fop voted in favor of a contract which we.

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Are very excited about the contract represents a four year settlement of.

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Terms covering calendar years, 2019, 2020, 2021 and 2022, there are a number of.

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Changes to the contract I'll highlight those briefly we'll start with the monetary changes. First off the contract over the four.

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Years that it will be in place is estimated to have a total price tag of 1.

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Million four hundred and fifty six thousand dollars by city by the city.

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Administration, the most important part of that those financial increases are of.

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Course, the percentage salary increases that are in the contract, those.

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Percentage salary increases are as follows: for calendar year 2019, it's a 2%.

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Increase for 2022 point six: five percent for 2021 2.8 percent and for 2022 2.9.

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Percent now 2019 is particularly complicated because, of course, we're.

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Already into december, and so that will simply be a symbolic increase that will.

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Be reflected in the numbers in the agreement, but it would create a great.

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Deal of administrative problems to retroactively lipe that to members so in.

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Lieu of that being reflected in paychecks during calendar year, 2019, the.

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Members are going to be paid one thousand one thousand dollar one-time.

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Bonus and the final paycheck in december, so, however, when salary increases are.

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Computed for 2020 they'll be computed against a number that reflects that 2%.

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Increase summarizing quickly, a couple of the other monetary changes to the.

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Contract there is an increase in longevity pay for the members from $100.

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Per year of service in the police department to 120.

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Five dollars, so that's a 25% increase in longevity pay. The scheme for specialty.

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Pay has also been changed so that their previous contract there were two.

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Specialty assignment pays, there was category one and category to category.

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Two covered only two specialties: those specialties were detectives and field.

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Training officers the membership pointed out that they thought we could be a bit.

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More nuanced than that and we agreed so we've added a middle category of.

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Specialty pay category to which is paid $1,000 per year for cert team officers.

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Dive team members and hostage negotiators there's one additional.

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Important monetary change to the contract and that's the shift.

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Differential pay in order to incentivize members with experience in the union to.

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Select afternoon shift or second shift shift differential pay for second shift.

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For those senior police officers who bid for and are successfully assigned.

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Afternoon shift is going to be $50.00 per week as opposed to 16 dollars per.

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Week and that sort of leads into the most important non substantive change.

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Excuse me non-monetary change to the contract, which is to shift bids or shift.

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Transfers so one of the it's probably easiest to begin by discussing what the.

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Previous contract looked like in the police department, there are three shifts.

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There's morning shift or first shift afternoon shift or second shift and.

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Night shift or third shift officers are assigned their individual shifts under.

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The previous contract based exclusively on seniority, so they would bid for.

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Shifts in december of each year, and then the most senior officers would be given.

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Their first preference and the least senior officers would be given whatever.

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Was left over this resulted in a situation where, for the most part, the.

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Most senior officers ended up on first shift, which was the least busiest shift.

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And the least senior officers ended up for the most part on second shift, which.

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Is the busiest shift in order to diversify the shifts in terms of.

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Experience levels the administration very much wanted to alter the shift bid.

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System- and we very much appreciate the fop working with us- to identify some.

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Creative solutions to this problem, so the new contract uses two mechanisms to.

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Try to address the issues, the issue of lack of diversity, of experience across.

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Shifts the first one is that we are slowly phasing out shift bids. Every member of the department who's hired after january.

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1St 2020 will not be given a shift bid, but will be instead able to submit a.

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Shift preference and well, of course, the administration at bpd will try to honor.

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Those shift preferences we're not up they're, not obligated to do so. If that.

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Creates a situation that's concerning in terms of experience, levels and the.

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Second mechanism: that's used to address the shift bid issue in the new contract.

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Is that the the number of biddable spots on each shift has been reduced by 25%.

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That's a little bit complicated to explain logistically in the simplest.

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Terms the way I would explain it is that the beginning of december of each year.

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The vpd administration will set their anticipated shift levels or excuse me.

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Staffing levels for each shift, so, for example, perhaps 18 officers on first.

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Shift 24 on second and 20 on third shift, then.

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Based on that total staffing level, the number of biddable spots would be.

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Reduced by 25% so that those last officers we can get some of the younger.

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Officers, together with some of the more senior officers, perhaps on first shift.

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If that makes sense, there are a couple of other non-monetary.

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Changes to the contract, mostly that's just clean up language, the time off from.

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Union business has been increased from 125 hours per year to 150 hours per year.

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There's some clean up to the terms of probationary officer leave detective on.

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Call hours were clarified and also some terms related to sick note, submissions.

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Those are relatively minor changes, I'm happy to address them. If you have.

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Questions about them, of course, I should say we're very excited to be at the end.

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Of this process it was a very long process.

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I do believe both sides bargain in good faith, and so I'm very happy to be at the.

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End of it, I think we all are we'd strongly encourage the council to.

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Approve resolution 1918 and, of course I believe the fop is here as well. If you.

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Have questions for them? Thank you, mr. wicker. If a representative from the.

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Fraternal order of police would like to speak.

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You're welcome good evening paul post president, fraternal or police lodge 88.

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We would also agree with mr. wickers assessment that we are very happy this.

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Process is over. This has been a very long process over the last two years. We.

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Have agreed to accept this, I would be remiss if I told you that the members.

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Were happy about it? Most of them have decided that this is a self-preservation.

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Vote we understood that if we go into next year, we would face a very different.

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Picture as to where benefits lie, so we have decided. We have agreed to the.

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Terms of this proposal, we obviously it's been a very long process and everyone.

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Wants it to be over, but they're not very happy about it, the shift bidding.

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Specifically, is the area that most members are upset about, it shift work.

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Police work is like anything and it's a seniority based system. It's been like.

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That for years, it's been that way all over the country and we're gonna see.

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What happens over the next three years, the rest of this contract, to see how.

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That works out. We have some concerns about whether it will actually help the.

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Issue on second shift, which to us is not as big of an issue. I guess as it is to.

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The administration so we'll see we're happy that it's over we're glad that.

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We've reached this point and the membership did vote very positively to.

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Accept this proposal, thank you, mr. post other questions from council for either.

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Mr. rooker mr. post, hey seeing none we'll go to the public public would like.

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To comment on resolution 1918, seeing no public comment, we're back to the council.

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For final comment: councilmember sandberg- this long process has finally come to a.

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Resolution, it's been difficult for all involved in the good-faith effort. We.

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Were involved to a certain extent, which was a bit unusual, we.

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Want to let the bpd know as well as our staff. We are very well aware of the.

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Issues that were raised as people were coming before us with respect to.

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Shortages in policing and the kinds of conditions that are making it harder and.

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Harder to recruit and to maintain levels of the professionalism that we all want.

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And we all deserve in this community, and so in order to get that we are going to.

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Have to look at at staffing levels, we're going to have to look at ways that we.

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Can make sure that we have a satisfied police force that serves us? Well, I know.

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They do anyway, but with respect to many of the shortcomings that we've all now.

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Been educated about and are aware of, that will give us some food for thought.

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In the next budgets and the next contract years, but thanks to all who, for.

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All the blood, sweat and tears and we're grateful that you've come to a.

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Resolution happy to support it. Councilmember boland. I said we want to.

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Say it councillor, sandberg speaks for me. Thank you.

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Anyone else it's a recommendation.

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Questions been called seconded on resolution 1918 with a clerk. Please call.

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Councilmember piedmont, smith; yes, chapra ruff; yes, sandburg; yes, mister bo.

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Yes, simms, yes, boland! Yes, yes, thank you. Thank you.

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Resolution 1919 is adopted eight to zero. Mr. president, I moved that ordinance.

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1920 be introduced in red by title and synopsis only mr. second, it has been.

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Moved and seconded that the ordinance 1920 be introduced in red by the clerk.

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My channels and I'm just sewing all in favor, say aye aye any opposed was a clerk. Please read ordinance 1920 an ordinance fixing the.

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Salaries of officers of the police and fire department for the city of.

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Bloomington indiana for the year 2020, the synopsis is as follows. This.

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Ordinance sets the maximum salary rates for all sworn fire and police personnel.

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The year 2020, in accordance with council, approved collective bargaining.

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Agreements, thank you. Mr. president, I moved the ordinance 1920 be adopted.

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Thank you, hey sean good evening, council members. My name is.

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Caroline shaw: please do we need to take this off the table? Yes,.

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Rather than mr. chair, I move to amend my motion to take ordinance 1920 off the.

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Table, rather than to reintroduce it, even though it's already been read, need a.

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Second, second, this is amendment by substitution, sir. I.

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Need to explain you're taking the ordinance off the table. That's the first.

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Motion and it's just a video show motion if you care to follow the request of the.

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Administration to amend by substitution, mm-hmm, okay, is there limited debate. We.

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Need to we need a voice vote to accept the motion to amend, to amend the motion.

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To take off the table, okay, any discussion: we need a voice vote all in.

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Favor aye any opposed: okay, okay,.

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Went out to the presentation and then event by substitution, very good, miss.

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Shaw good evening, council members, my name is caroline shaw, hr director.

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Substitution origins, 1920, which was recently tabled by you back in september,.

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As replaced in this updated ordinance, and this ordinance only is only changing.

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Things that reflect the contract that was just ratified by you. Thank you, and I.

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Will review those details with you? The salaries of officer first class will.

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Increase to fifty-five thousand four hundred five dot 2020 and the senior.

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Police officers, salary will increase to fifty eight thousand one hundred.

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Fourteen dollars, those increases are reflective in what mr. roker just.

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Discussed a 2% increase in 2019 and a two point, four for 2019 and two point.

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Six: five percent increase for 2020 longevity pay is increased by 25%, going.

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From $100 to $125 and then specialty pay has been reorganized, the three.

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Categories instead of two, an officers have the opportunity to earn additional.

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$500 $1,000 of sixteen hundred dollars annually annually for the specialty pays.

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Previously, it was five hundred or fourteen hundred and senior police.

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Officers will choose the afternoon shift. Is there if they choose the afternoon shift, is their first or second choice? They look at an additional $50 per week.

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And finally, the contracts for the overtime rate increases from thirty-five.

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Dollars and thirty six dollars per hour, your approval of substitution, ordinance.

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1920 is requested and I'm happy to take any questions at this time.

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Thank you, mr. on other questions,.

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Yes, commandant by substitution. Yes, mr. president, I move amendment by.

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Substitution of ordinance 1920, second voice phones, no motion in a second, yes, I.

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Just wanted to clarify for anybody who may be watching that we did discuss this.

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Ordinance before the police contract was finalized and we decided to table it.

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Because we wanted to find out the results of that contract, and so now.

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We've had to take it off the table not physically, but figuratively, and then we.

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Are replacing the previous language which didn't have the new salaries and.

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The new parts of the contract in it with a new new language. So that's the.

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Amendment by substitution, we're just substituting in a new ordinance that has.

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The new salaries and the other changes that were mentioned when we just.

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Discussed the police contract earlier, so I just wanted to explain that sorry. It's.

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Kind of convoluted, mr. president, point of order. Yes, since we are replacing the.

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Entirety of the text of the old amendment effectively question and.

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Answer on the amendment by substitution is tantamount to asking questions on the.

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Ordinances hole, so you know once we adopt the amendment by substitution.

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There will be unlikely we can just vote on it, so everyone should take it into.

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Account accordingly, anyway, if you meant by substitution, is on the table, it's six pages. That is a nearly identical to the original.

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Ordinance, except that the numbers have been updated based on the police.

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Contract exactly.

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I believe weird questions, no questions of substitution. Ok. Are there.

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Questions: okay, seeing none we'll go to the public.

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Signal public comment: we're back to council call the question.

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Questions been called on ordinance 1920. Will it please call the roll? Yes council.

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Member chopra yeah ruff, yes, sandburg, yes, mr. bone, yes, sims.

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Yes, bolin, yes, rollo, yes and piedmon smith,.

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Yes, it states here, thank you, ordinance, 1920s,.

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Adopted 8-0. Mr. mr. chair, I move, I call the question on the know. You're fine go.

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Ahead, I call the question on amendment or.

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Ordinance 1920, as amended, I need a second thank you.

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I thought we just disposed of it. No, what we did was he adopted the member by.

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Substitution now we have to adopt the ordinance as amended all right. So now we.

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Can go to further questions. None public public comments, seeing none.

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Thank you, counsel call the question. Questions been called. This is on.

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Ordinance 1920. Is that correct? Yes, as amended as amended, will please call the.

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Roll council member breath- yes sandburg, yes,.

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State the stir bob yeah simms, yes, bullying, yes, briella, yes,.

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Piedmon smith, yes, chopra. Thank you ordinance, 1920, as amended as.

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Dumped at a 2-0 mr. president, I move that ordinance, 1927 be introduced and.

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Read by titleist optus, only it's been moved and seconded that ordinance, 1927.

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Be introduced in renovated work by tenants, not solely on favor, say aye aye.

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Mr. sherman, actually, if you follow the memo, this is where you are doing two.

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Things you're introducing this ordinance that was just introduced tonight and.

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Then you're going to consider it for adoption on the same meeting. In the same.

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Night, it's introduced, this will require you nana unanimous consent of all of you.

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If one of you says no, then this matter will be picked up at your committee of.

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The whole meeting later this evening, so this is again one of these two step.

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Processes, the first is unanimous consent to take it up on the night you're going.

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To introduce it and the second one would come about if you choose to take that.

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Path and it's down to your vote in that case it would take 2/3 of you to support.

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The adoption for it to pass so thank you. I call for a roll call vote on the.

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Motion to introduce with the clerk, please call the roll on the motion to.

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Councilman mary sandberg, yes, stir bomb, yes, sims. Yes,.

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Boland, yes, rallo. Yes, piedmon smith, yes, chopra! Yes, all right! That is zero. Eight.

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Zero animus clerk has to read it. Will the clerk please read ordinance 1927.

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Amending ordinance 1817, which fixed the salaries of officers of the police and.

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Fire departments for 2019 regarding providing a one-time, $1,000 bonus for.

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Officers, first-class and senior police officers and I will and adding a fire.

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Logistics officer, this synopsis is as follows. This ordinance amends ordinance.

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1817, which fixed the salaries of officers and the police and fire.

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Departments for the year 2019, these changes add a logistics officer to the.

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Fire department administration table and provide a one-time bonus payment to all.

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Senior police officers an officer's first class, who were employed during.

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2019. Thank you. Mr. president, I move that ordinance 1927 be adopted. Miss shan.

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Thank you. Everyone, as, as the clerk just said, this ordinance.

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Modifies an existing public safety ordinance with two tube changes. One is.

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The first to pay the $1,000 one-time bonus that we agreed upon with the fop.

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Negotiation and the contract you just ratified, and the second is a.

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Housekeeping issue that I've been holding on to waiting for this moment.

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This is moving a logistics officer over to the public safety ordinance for this.

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Current year, I did that, if you recall in 2020 doing the budget hearings and I've.

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Been waiting, as I said, just to do that, to make it more efficient, so I thank you.

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For your time and I'm happy to answer any questions at this time, thank you are.

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There questions from sean yeah council move on, so I get the appeal of $1,000.

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Bonus as opposed to trying to go back and.

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Figure out payroll in arrears, but doesn't this shortchange somebody can't.

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The bonuses be slightly staggered to reflect the this. The different salaries.

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Of individual of different types of officers, given the length and time of.

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Those negotiations and the ability to get this done. We basically was an.

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Average of what a 2% would be so, rather than bifurcate between the two classes.

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Of officers we went with the flat and they were okay with that. Yes, okay, well,.

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And the other side of that was they essentially get the impact of the 2% in.

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The 20/20 salary, so when we calculate from 2013 to 2020 they'll go from 18 to.

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19 to 20, so they'll get they'll get that put into their 2020 base so that helped.

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Us so you're saying that, in addition to the 2% they're, getting for 20/20 they're.

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Also getting they they'll get the the impact of what that would have been on.

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Their salary, so to your question of, does that impact that the different classes.

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Yeah, so they'll eventually they'll essentially make that up in 2020 all.

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Right. Thank you further questions, councilman spencer yeah. Does this apply.

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To all employees that are covered under the fop contract senior officers and.

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First-Class officers, so there are some officers that will not get this phone.

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Does not cover probationary officers? That's are covered in this contract.

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Which are the senior first class and officer first class? Okay, so those are.

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The only ones that are covered by the fop on track so okay, make sense. Thank.

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You mister post sure probationary officers are not covered, so they would.

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Not be included in that the sergeant's and above are also not.

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Included in that per the city ordinance, so that's why, when we list just officer.

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First class and senior police officer ranks it is just those employees not all.

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The sworn employees of the police department, so the sergeant's and.

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Detectives are not part of the fop surgence and above.

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So sergeants lieutenants captains, deputy chief and chief, okay or not below below.

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Okay, detectives are essentially the same as senior police officer. Okay, thank you.

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Explaining to a layperson any other questions, councilman villian could miss.

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Shaw or chief, more explain to us just remind us again of why the fire.

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Logistics officer is so important or beneficial that you were so enthusiastic.

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About bringing that officer back, I guess the chief is gonna. Do it good.

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Evening, jason, more fire chief- I just want to remind you that this was one of.

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The approved positions that went through the committee when we agreed in our.

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Contract to buy two sets of gear maintained close to six hundred thousand.

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Dollars worth of inventory for that and everything else, it was really important.

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To find someone to manage these programs and make sure that we were not only.

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Looking after it maintaining it, keeping it in good shape, but also all of the.

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Other equipment that you have been so gracious to provide to us and then this.

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Is a housekeeping item? It was just placed in the wrong ordinance, and this is now correcting that so that we could get this vital part of our department.

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Fully vetted and and legal and moving forward, very good. Thank you so much.

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Thank you other questions, councilmember sims, chief.

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More yes, but you can think about why you come out. I just want to know- and I.

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Understand what we've talked about that, but does that position sometimes will be.

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Will they be fighting fires or their jobs simply to take care of the.

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Inventory, and would this be a fire fighting position? I guess is what I'm.

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Saying so, basically, what happens within our department is? Everyone is tied to a.

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20-Year retirement, so we could just pull them out and then put them in a civilian.

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Job without them losing the retirement and that's the big difference between.

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The civil side and the public safety side, this individual is fire rated fire.

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Capable, but will not have primary duties that going into a fire, they will respond.

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To a fire and a part of our cancer prevention protocols is to change that.

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Gear out for all the dirty gear and contaminated gear, so they do have some.

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Fire related duties, but they will not primarily be going inside burning.

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Buildings at this point, so it's a civil position. We only have three civilian.

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Positions in our department- and that is not one of them catch it. Thank you, okay. Thank you. Any remaining questions. Seeing none we'll go.

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To the public, the public would like to comment on an ordinance 1927.

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Okay back to council for final comment: a point of order: this requires a.

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Two-Thirds vote, which means six votes out of the eight remaining, because it's.

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Six out of nine, it requires six, no matter what right.

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Thank you, okay, call the question question um calling second and on.

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Ordinance sanction 27 with a clerk. Please call the roll councilmembers der.

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Bomb sims yeah boland, yes, rallo; yes, piedmont, smith, yes, chopra, ruff,.

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Yes, sandburg, yes, thank you rose ordinance. 1927 has adopted a zero thank.

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You all, mr. president, I move that resolution 1919 be introduced and read by title and synopsis only. I need a second. It has.

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Been moved and seconded that resolution 1919 be introduced and read by the clerk.

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By title and synopsis, only all in favor say aye aye.

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Any opposed with the clerk please read resolution 1919 to affirm and request.

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From the common council for the food and beverage tax advisory commission to make.

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A recommendation for expenditure of food and beverage tax revenues towards phase.

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2 of the convention center expansion project, the synopsis is as follows:.

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This resolution affirms and clarifies the request of the common council for.

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The food and beverage tax advisory commission to recommend expenditure of.

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Food and beverage tax revenues toward phase 2 of the design process for the.

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Convention center expansion project. Thank you. Mr. president, I moved that.

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Resolution 1919 be adopted; okay, that's why council, member volant short thank.

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You presently, I am the sponsor. This resolution is based on yesterday's.

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Meetings, it was a very, very fresh new resolution at yesterday's meeting of the.

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Food and beverage tax advisory commission there was, I mean, there's.

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We're continuing to try to negotiate an understanding between city and county in.

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Order to get the convention center created and.

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One of the disputes was between the city and county legal offices over.

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Specifically, the procedure for the handling, the request of the.

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Administration to appropriate money to pay for the design of the convention.

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Center, which is in the millions of dollars and the dispute, was that the.

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Council passed a blanket resolution, giving permission to the city.

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Administration to put items on the tax advisory commission's agenda, the county.

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County legal responded by saying that, according to their reading of state law,.

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The city council first has to specifically ask for each amount every.

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Time it asks and not just give a blanket permission so in order to resolve the.

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Dispute that's very easily resolved. This resolution specifically asks for the.

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Money necessary for design fees for the specifically for architectural fees, for.

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The convention center, the administration, has presented the costs of the.

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Convention center and the parking garage at fifty nine million dollars statute.

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Says that five to ten percent of that can be used for design fees.

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Architectural fees, so this resolution specifies that amount. It also specifies.

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And affirms a recommendation that we made initially of $350,000, which was for.

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Phase one of the convention center project, which is to say the site.

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Planning this is not the same thing as architectural design, which is all the.

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Details of the buildings now I have to admit that I'm unclear as.

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To whether that 302,000 should be coming out of the five point, nine or whether it.

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Is truly a separate fee, the $350,000 go, it was used by the architects.

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Convergence and schmidt for a number of other necessary actions. I think that.

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City administration can speak to it, but that is, I think, a minor issue. We can.

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Adjust it if necessary. Also, this resolution is simply the first.

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Step in a three step process: first, we ask the commission to make a.

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Recommendation through this resolution, then the commission makes a.

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Recommendation to this council and finally, we can bring forward the.

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Appropriation ordinance, that ordinance was the one that we postponed tonight to.

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Next week's meeting, precisely because of this problem, I want to encourage.

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Everyone to talk about the appropriation ordinance, but this is the vehicle.

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Through which to do it at any rate, regardless of that particular portion of it, this is necessary for us to, for everyone to feel.

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Comfortable going into the next step, which is actually determining the how.

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We're going to pay for phase two, and, of course there is the ongoing dispute that.

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We're trying to resolve that we're getting close resolving over what will.

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Be the nature of the governing body that will oversee the future convention.

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Center and again, I want to encourage my colleagues to ask questions to that end.

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Tonight we have here members of the county council, the county, commission and.

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The city administration. So if there's any clarifying questions that they can.

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Answer, I'm sure they'll be happy to I'll do my best to answer on their behalf of.

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The interest of time, but that is the nature of this resolution- it's basically.

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A technical resolution, but it also allows us to have the discuss.

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That the commission postponed the question a week for reading at a special.

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Session of the tax advisory commission at 9:00 a.m. next tuesday, the county.

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Council has one or two, I think, meeting scheduled immediately after that either.

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That day or the day after and of course, we are also meeting in regular session.

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On the 11th to resume the conversation over the appropriation ordinance, but.

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Only after we've resolved those issues, I am hopeful that we will in fact resolve.

C

The governance issue of the convention center between now and early next week.

C

With that, I am happy to answer questions from my colleagues. Okay, before we do.

A

That and I would encourage my colleagues to specify to whom you were directing.

A

Your question to whether its county officials, whether its administration.

A

Representatives, councilmember bolin, but before we go there mr. underwood could.

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You clarify the expenditure for the $350,000 that was unclear to the sponsor.

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Of the resolution- yes, jeff, underwood city controller, as you remember earlier,.

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This year, you approved additional appropriation of $350,000.

AB

That was for the initial design and work that was done in the chevette s'.

AB

Charettes for looking at the site and the possible size of the expanded.

AB

Convention center and that money was I'm sorry.

C

Please go so that money has been expended with schmidt and convergence.

AB

And then moving forward the the new estimated cost of both expansion of the.

AB

Convention center and a related parking facility is fifty nine million dollars.

AB

We believe that the fees will be somewhere between five and ten percent.

AB

So ten percents five point: nine million dollars. Is it reasonable or unreasonable.

C

To ask why the 350 is in considered part of the total 10% that will be spent in.

C

Fees, because that was all preliminary work that looked at site lists the site.

AB

And and the sizing are there any architectural fees and phase these phase.

C

One dollars, yes, the 350 went to convergence and.

AB

To look at the sites and look at the size of the building, so all of it was.

AB

Very preliminary, basically looking at square footage and possible sites well,.

C

Maybe that I should ask exactly what does the state mean by five to ten.

C

Percent of the project can be design and architecture fees. I mean because this.

C

350 puts us over the 10 percent. If it's, if it I mean it sounds like architecture.

C

Fees. This is the part, that's green, confuse well, a lot of that was the 350.

AB

Was before they didn't have a site or size to design, so we couldn't go.

AB

Directly into the design of the facility, so this was all very preliminary work.

AB

Typically, you would go directly into a design once you know the site in the.

AB

Size, so this had a lot of the public outreach dollars in it as well. Now.

AB

Obviously they would build off of the work, but it's all very preliminary, so.

AB

This is going to get into the final design. Miss guthrie might be able to clarify to philippa guthrie corporation council.

AD

It's not a state requirement or a state code issue that five to ten percent is.

AD

An estimate from the architects as to their fees. That's why here, no that's! How.

AD

Architects tell you how much they're going to charge you! It's usually a.

AD

Percentage of the total cost of the construction of the project, so there's.

C

No state concern about how much we spend to design the project, not that I know of.

AD

Do you have you ever had a project where the actual full ten percent was used in.

C

The design of any building as a city ever spent that much.

C

Or can we comfortably say that even with the 3/5 we've already spent we're.

C

Unlikely to spend the entire 5.9 million I'm comfortable that the ten percent.

AB

Would be the maximum amount I've seen fees higher than that? Do the nature of.

AB

The building up to upwards to twelve, but I believe that will be somewhere in the.

AB

Eight to ten percent range okay. Well I mean what I'm asking is: is it safe to.

C

Assume, for the sake of everyone, who's concerned about that price that we can.

C

Keep the total cost, including the 350 below five point at that.

C

I point nine million or below, isn't it likely that we won't spend every last.

C

Dollar of the 5.9 million, I'm certainly hopeful. I usually negotiate that very.

AB

Well: okay, thank you very much. You wind of order, 1919, correct tonight, and that's.

G

What we'll be voting on I'd like to make a request that we restrain our questions.

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And comments specifically to that, despite councilmember volans,.

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Idea to the contrary, it's 935 in the evening, rather than the the.

A

Appropriation ordinance, which will follow, in other words, which you.

A

Indicated was something was a topic that we might address, but I I can't help to.

A

Think that there are going to be some discussion about that, but we could try.

A

To limit that, I I believe, you're correct. We should focus on the resolution and.

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Exhibit a of the resolution so other questions who would like to begin there.

A

Are no questions.

A

Really, okay: we can come back to questions because maybe some public.

A

Comment will be will elicit questions. So let's go to public comment on resolution.

A

1919, how is everyone today thank you for inviting us to make comment, julie, thomas.

AE

With the board of commissioners, we have lee jones and penny givens with me. We.

AE

Just have a couple, sorry, mrs. thomas: can you state your name, julie, tama, thank.

AE

You so much. I thought I already did that, but, okay anyway, no identity crisis here.

AE

So let me begin by saying that we want to be very clear that monroe county is.

AE

Sincerely interested in working with the city of bloomington from one legislative.

AE

Body to another, please know that we appreciate the city council's interest.

AE

In the convention center expansion project, you are both important and.

AE

Necessary to this project over the last 30 years, monroe county has created a.

AE

Building corporation built and maintained a successful convention center, in fact, the success means we want to enlarge it. Monroe county is also.

AE

Purchased land surrounding the center in preparation for this very expansion in.

AE

2017, the monroe county council enacted a food and beverage tax in order to fund.

AE

The project these steps should assure you of the county's commitment to.

AE

Expanding the convention center, the county council passed the food and.

AE

Beverage tax, in order for the city and county to work together on the project.

AE

It was not passed for one party to move forward unilaterally without the other.

AE

The project is intended to be and really should be collaborative. It will be a.

AE

Better project, if we work together as true in equal partners good evening, I'm.

AF

Penny givens also with the county commission. Tonight we respectfully ask.

AF

That you not appropriate food and beverage tax dollars until there is a.

AF

Written agreement in place between the city and the county that specifically.

AF

Address, I know the appropriation ordinance 1909.

AF

That you intend to take up again next week, but we want to make sure that you.

AF

Understand that we want to we're asking you to, please make any appropriation.

AF

Contingent upon the city and county executives negotiating and signing all.

AF

Contracts, if we do not have some kind of ordinance in place between us that sets.

AF

Up a governing body, the only thing in appropriation, especially one without a.

AF

Contingency will do is to allow the mayor to sign a new contract without.

AF

Monroe county and we strongly oppose the mayor moving forward without the county.

AF

The mayor's december 3rd letter to you and to monroe county indicates that the.

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Mayor will move forward on a contract unilaterally without the county. The.

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City's corporate council told our staff yesterday that the mayor will do just.

AF

That please stop that from happening tonight by denying funding, which would.

AF

Support a unilateral contract requiring both the city and the county to.

AF

Negotiate and sign contracts shows your commitment to a true and equal.

AF

Partnership good evening lee jones county, commissioner, as you know, we are.

AG

Empowered under state law to create a capital improvement board, and we would.

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Like to do that next week by ordinance, we have introduced an ordinance, but we.

AG

Need your feedback and input on that before we can move forward.

AG

A cib is a governmental entity and has tort claim immunity. A non-profit does.

AG

Not have, nor can it buy that immunity once the cib is created, the cib can and.

AG

Should enter into all contracts, including site plan design and take all.

AG

Necessary steps for the project as we define in an interlocal agreement, we.

AG

Look forward to working out these detail and have already started outlining.

AG

Outlining and interlocal to discuss with you, we and the county council are.

AG

Convening this friday at 3:00 p.m. if you wish to share your thoughts, please.

AG

Do so prior to noon friday? Of course, this is a public meeting and you would.

AG

Be free to join us, we value your support and the commitment you have publicly.

AG

Made for equal and true collaboration between the city and the county. Thank.

AG

You thank you for your comments and you're available for questions now right.

A

I just have a couple to finish off. Please all right. Our little section here.

AE

We're handing out a couple of items they were sent via email today, but we want to.

AE

Have make sure you had them on paper? It is a copy of the memo we issued today.

AE

Plus a copy of the proposed ordinance that we are considering again next.

AE

Wednesday, just to get the ball rolling and get things moving. So what we're.

AE

Asking for is to please wait for a cib. Are you willing to wait until there is a.

AE

Cib capelin permit board structure in place before you move forward with.

AE

Funding, if not, are you willing to say publicly that you will ensure that if.

AE

Any funding happens before there is a cib any contracts with vendors.

AE

Architects, etc, that that would be something that would have to be each.

AE

Contract would have to be agreed upon between by both the city and the county.

AE

Before we acted, we would never think of doing anything without the city's input.

AE

On this project, we would hope that we would get the same back. Another question.

AE

Has come up, and I think it just speaks to the importance of what we have left.

AE

To do in terms of our inner local, but I don't think that any of these questions.

AE

Are unwieldy and I think that they're all just a matter of sitting down and.

AE

Talking, which I know we're well capable of doing and doing well.

AE

One of the questions that comes up is if 10% is 5.9 million, and it includes the.

AE

Parking garage, but at previous discussions we heard the parking garage.

AE

Was going to be a city-owned property, should the food and beverage tax be used.

AE

For that, because its design or because it is going to stay part of the cib once.

AE

The cib is created all these assets go into it. These are things we need to talk.

AE

About we're flexible, either way, leaving it as a city property working, but we.

AE

Just need to make sure that that's very clear for the public, but I think it's.

AE

Gives you a sense of our willingness to negotiate on pretty much everything at.

AE

This point, but we want to move forward. We want to actually make progress instead of having the same information pass back to us again and again so.

AE

Hopefully, if you have questions you can let us know. Thank you. Thank you, hello.

AH

Ladies and gentlemen, eric spoon more president of the monroe county council.

AH

Just wanted to reiterate some things that were said earlier: the county.

AH

Council does believe it's important that we have a governance structure in place.

AH

Before we start moving forward with funding, at least I do personally, I think.

AH

A majority of county council members do as well. It's always been a big priority.

AH

With the convention center expansion, I do think we have a really exciting.

AH

Opportunity here available to us right now to be able to move forward with the.

AH

Cib, it's a proven model that exists in the state of indiana. We've had we've.

AH

Seen several other communities in the state that have utilized a cib and have.

AH

Been very successful, for example, the fort wayne grand wayne center is a.

AH

Thriving convention center that utilizes the cib indianapolis uses utilizes a cib.

AH

Terre haute also utilizes, the cib, I'm not real. Certain of what communities are.

AH

Utilizing 501 3 c's, but that seems to be a little bit more of a theoretical type.

AH

Of arrangement to me- and I haven't seen a whole lot of research to show that.

AH

It's been a successful proven model in the state of indiana, so I think we can.

AH

Get moving immediately on this. The commissioners have introduced the cib at their meeting today and we can take action on it.

AH

Quickly to me, this is absolutely the quickest way from point a to point b.

AH

Where we can have equal representation on a governance body, we can get moving.

AH

Forward with the convention center and start seeing real progress and promise.

AH

Make delivering on the promises that we've made to the community and I have.

AH

Been having a lot of conversations as well over the last week with a lot of.

AH

Folks in our business community, with a lot of folks in our tourism community.

AH

And a lot of folks in government and all of which I have not heard any concerns.

AH

Where there are red flags with the cib, in fact many are saying: please move.

AH

Forward with the cib, so I encourage all of you to contact folks the experts who.

AH

Are working in our tourism community? The experts who are working in business, who.

AH

Were lobbying for the food and beverage tax when the county council voted for it.

AH

In 2017, these are the same people saying as cib as a proven successful model in.

AH

The state of indiana and please move forward with it. We have the opportunity.

AH

To do that, I encourage you to thank you very much. Thank you for your comment. I.

A

Think I'd like to extend for any other elected officials from the county if.

A

They would like to speak right now: okay and I'll go back to general comment from.

A

The public- but I think, is the elected officials here or collaborators I'd like.

A

To hear from them, first and I'd like to hear from the sponsor in terms of.

A

Answering any questions that were that came from well, there were two points.

C

That I wanted to address, and I would also like to hear from city staff from.

C

The administration regarding the parking garage now I'm on record and what more.

C

Than one occasion is saying that I seriously questioned the need for a.

C

Parking garage, despite the fact that I am fully aware that the vast majority of.

C

Convention, centers assume a parking garage. So the fact that I'm even talking.

C

About it all that I'm happy to see the six million instead of.

C

The four million is is because it doesn't make any sense to design a.

C

Convention center and then design a parking garage separately now, if the.

C

City is going to pay for the parking garage. That's fine.

C

But we should be allowed to reimburse the eventual entity because the parking.

C

Garage should be designed in congested street one big complex, even if the city.

C

Is going to pay for that part as to the rest of it? I think the legitimate.

C

Concern of this body, which I mean the problem with the capital improvement.

C

Board is that we're only talking about a capital project, but for thirty years the.

C

County has run the convention center through the innkeeper's tax. That is.

C

Managed by what is the cdc stand for the convention and visitor's council and.

C

That council has five members made up entirely of county appointees, mostly.

C

Their hotel years, but the point is the city- is about to commit to funding the.

C

Entirety of a new capital project, but there is no apparent sign of what.

C

Involvement, the city will have in its management in its operation. If we.

C

Continue as we have been again, it'll be a county function, but the city has never.

C

Had a tax or been able to contribute this kind of money before now that it is.

C

Will the city have the same as a rhetorical question, I'm going to hope.

C

Other people answer: will the city have some kind of say or involvement in the.

C

Operation of this big asset that we are effectively paying for so that's sort of.

C

The rhetorical question that I think is one of the outstanding questions: why the.

C

City has been reluctant, I don't want to speak for everyone, but I this is.

C

Certainly how it seems to me and again the very nature of a capital improvement.

C

Board doesn't talk about operations, so what kind of you know this is the kind.

C

Of thing that we may have to to negotiate in the next couple of days, so.

C

That we can meet these very close deadlines that we've managed to push to.

C

Semper 10th 11th, with that I'd like to hear from city staff bird me: yes, miss.

A

Guthrie, I was just going to invite city staff to address some of the questions.

A

That were raised yes, so philippa, guthrie, corporation counsel,.

AD

Excuse me, I want to explain first of all, the timing, why why we are doing this now.

AD

We are not trying to run off and take some unilateral action. What we are.

AD

Trying to do first of all that the county asked us to commit, I think you.

AD

All heard it at at least one of the meanings of all of the electives. Are we.

AD

Really committing to a garage, is it going to be part of this project? We.

AD

Talked about funding in order to commit to the garage, we wanted to be sure that.

AD

It was included in the project and that this council, who has been involved with.

AD

This from the beginning, there were going to be four new members this year. That.

AD

You were the ones who had the chance to actually make the commitment the best.

AD

Way to do that is to have asked for a recommendation for the architecture, fees.

AD

For the whole project and then to have them appropriated, that is not to say we.

AD

Spend them, but to appropriate them. We actually have to encumber them, which.

AD

Requires some kind of contract we already have the architects contract, it.

AD

Hasn't expired, it was for phase one and it was designed to just continue through.

AD

The phases- and so the thought was we would just amend that so that the.

AD

Funding is all sitting there waiting for when we have decided on what the entity.

AD

Will be, and it can start moving forward yesterday, the mayor committed to he had.

AD

Already committed to equal representation on whatever entity, it is.

AD

Governing entity yesterday, I think you saw the letter that he said.

AD

Which committed to, if equal representation on the governing board of.

AD

Whatever entity, it is also to decide what that entity would be collectively.

AD

With the county by december 31st, and that as soon as whatever the entity was.

AD

Was established, it would be, the contract would be transferred to that entity who.

AD

Would carry on all of the work so that that is the way the city has been.

AD

Approaching this, we think the money should be ready to go because, as the.

AD

County has said: a cib is quick, a 501 c 3 as equally as quick. You file articles of.

AD

Articles with the state- and you know so anything else, I think that's it.

AD

Oh also, this deadline of friday came up earlier today in a letter from the.

AD

County and the mayor is out on friday, so I just wanted to make that point. Thank.

A

You, let's go to questions from council and I think I'll start with customer. You know smith. Yes, I wanted to focus back on.

O

Resolution 1919, because it seems to me that this resolution is just to affirm.

O

That we want to request that the food and beverage tax advisory commission.

O

Makes a recommendation to us about expenditures of the food and beverage.

O

Tax so tonight we are not appropriate. We're not considering appropriating any.

O

Money we're considering asking the food and beverage commission to recommend to.

O

Us an appropriation money so it I understand, of course, that these issues.

O

Are related but at this point I'd like to hear from my county colleagues.

O

Whether they feel like, if the city council adopts resolution,.

O

1919 that would somehow indicate that we're not willing to agree to the cib or.

O

Anything else in the future my council colleague, may want to also speak, but.

AE

I'll just be brief, I think it's, I think it's fine. I I think what we would ask is.

AE

That, if it would be possible to establish your intention that any vote.

AE

On an appropriation that would follow, this would be contingent upon either the.

AE

Cib having been created or that any contract would be would have signatures.

AE

Of both the city and county on it, if you can put that into this, that would be.

AE

Even a better assurance for us of what the intentions are and- and I have other.

AE

Things to respond to you, but I will just respond to your question right now and.

AE

Thank you that helps that's exactly what I was gonna say as well: okay, customer.

A

Vohland, did you have a did? You want to follow up with the city staff? Does the.

C

City have an objection to us inserting such a clause either into I mean I think.

C

It makes sense in the app word next week, though, that we wouldn't pass the money.

C

Unless it was, there was a in other words. The money is containing cumber it, but.

C

It's contingent on the contract being made. Does it matter to city staff if we.

C

Put it in the a board or in the resolution tonight does that makes that.

C

Question makes sense, there would be a clause that says in the now. Therefore,.

C

Section that contingent on a contract or on a cover, an interlocal agreement being.

C

Signed between city and county, I'm struggling for the words here. Do you.

C

Know what I'm asking you're you're asking whether the city objects to.

AD

Having in this ordinance or in either in this resolution, or and at no later than.

C

The a board next week, a clause that requires that the money be.

C

Spent only after a an agreement is forged between city and county that.

A

Would be a reflection of the letter? Basically that was sent by the mayor's.

C

Maybe a question of expense and the deadlines we have. I don't know yeah.

C

One moment please.

C

Which letter well I'm talking about the resolution right, but this is why we have.

AE

A concern is, it says the this is from the mayor's letter from december 30. The.

AE

City will assign any design contract to the new entity when it is legally.

AE

Established, which means that the plan is to make the contract now, which means.

AE

That it's a unilateral decision, that's what the city administration said.

C

Yesterday, right today is december 4th, and we have this resolution on the.

C

Agenda and the question I'm asking hayes would actually, you know, supersede the.

C

Mayor's expression at that point, so I just want to make sure right. No and it's.

C

Good to clarify it, but the point the point of my question is to ask: should we.

C

Supersede that assertion, through this resolution or through the out board next.

C

Week does the administration have a preference? They may not like that. I know.

C

This has been a point of contention, but the objective of the council for this.

C

Resolution is to address that point all right, so I city staff is out of the room.

A

So they will, they will address it when they return cosmo chopra did you have a.

A

Question I mean I did, but it's for city staff who's conferring, but I have a.

G

Preface to my question, which is the obvious: the city administration wants us.

G

To pass this resolution tonight in the ordinance by the end of the year, because.

G

They don't want the new council voting on. It's like I mean, come on. Let's be.

G

Honest here that's what's going on, and so I wanted to confront a staff with.

G

That assertion and see, if that's indeed true well we'll, have to wait so are.

A

There any questions that could be addressed to our county.

A

Link's at this point counsel mr. bowman, at the joint county city meeting there.

E

Was a lot of agreement and the agreement was that there should be fair.

E

Representation there was non agreement on cib versus 501 c 3. In fact, many of.

E

The county council members agreed that they weren't sure that that might not be.

E

A good at the way to go, and suddenly your position is cib or nothing. You know.

E

It's like let we're looking for fairness, and here the mayor makes a statement of.

E

I will go for fair and equal representation, but your response is no.

E

We only wanted in the cib, which I think was. It was clearly something that is.

E

Actually, in the county's favor I mean, if you want fairness, do you have a veto.

E

Power of a veto vote in the cib. Yes, we would not. I just want to clarify a.

AE

Couple things, and maybe this will help the the thing is that we're now.

AE

Identifying this continued like well, we need more information well for months.

AE

We've been hearing from the administration, they do mean more information. We held a meeting. Only one city councilor was able to attend that.

AE

Meeting and the mayor didn't did did not attend all those staff. One staff, member.

AE

Was there as well, we had a meeting was the difference between a cib and a 501c3.

AE

We've also discovered that that tort claim liability that everybody's, like I.

AE

Don't know what that means, I don't know why it matters. It's gonna cost about.

AE

Seventy five thousand dollars a year minimum to replicate with actual.

AE

Insurance policies- that's cash out of food and beverage forever. Every year.

AE

Which means you're not putting it into the building you're not putting into something else. I will say this: what we see at the we feel like it's a stalling.

AE

Tactic because then a contract can be passed and then a design decision can be.

AE

Made by the mayor's office, for example, or through the city council, for example,.

AE

And then, oh and we'll assign it later to whatever ordinance organization is.

AE

Created we're afraid that that may be seen as a stalling tactic. And we don't.

AE

Want that to be seen as a stalling tactic, we want to move forward now to.

AE

Clarify something mr. vole and race, which I thought was a good question. The.

AE

Cib does not disappear once the building's built we've had a building.

AE

Corporation for 30 years, this would be like a building.

AE

Corporation, it would continue because, as soon as this project is done being built.

AE

You're gonna have to start making renovations pretty much right away.

AE

Because this, this is something where you're going to start investing and.

AE

Thinking about expansion or renovations, or what upgrades are needed and that cib.

AE

Continues to last now, the county council would have fiscal review on a cib. The.

AE

City council has fiscal review and that can be written into the cib. You have.

AE

Fiscal review: every time you go to the food and beverage advisory commission.

AE

And say we want money so which means that you all have the right to review.

AE

That you have additional review that the county has no control over, because there.

AE

Is a plan commission city appointed plan commission with your veto power that you.

AE

Can talk about you can figure out the design right? We have no say in any of.

AE

That we can come to the meeting and comment which is fine and it's perfectly appropriate. So anything that the county has in terms of a power here is not. Is.

AE

Not any greater than any power that the city has and that's the other reason we.

AE

Like a cib and we've heard equal representation before, but then we hear.

AE

The backtracking, well, we think, we're putting in more money. So therefore it should be 5/2 or 6:1. What we're saying is 3-3 and those.

AE

Six picks the seventh miss thomas, and that is equal. So I'd like to move on to.

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The previous question and really focus on the resolution tonight, but let's.

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Follow up if staff is ready to answer about adding language to either this.

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Resolution or try ordinance. Yes, we are fine within the appropriation ordinance.

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Something saying that the money can't be spent until there is a contract that is.

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Transferred to the new entity, thank you. Can I ask my county colleagues: are they.

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Okay, with waiting for us to change the app board or do they feel that it needs.

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To be changed in this resolution again, this resolution is just to trigger the.

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Ability of the advisory commission to consider the app board in the first.

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Place we can't take off the app board unless.

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The advisory commission gives us the recommendation to do so. So that's my.

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Question to either the commissioners or the county council cheryl monson county council. I would like to encourage you to.

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Deliberate about adding a condition to the request to the food and beverage.

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Commission, and that is because the businesses in our community are very.

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Very frustrated with city government and county government, both in not seeing.

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Progress on the convention center, everybody who supported it was very.

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Excited about it, other people started to get excited about it. When the charettes.

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Were happening and that really that really built enthusiasm if mister boland.

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Chaired the meeting was it just yesterday, it was just like that.

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Just yesterday, it was a long ago. It was it he did an excellent job. It was a hard.

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Meeting and we went back and forth struggling with various questions and I.

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Think if there was there was a condition placed on the request. The resolution.

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That you're considering tonight and then all questions would be removed.

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As to what will happen going forward- and there would be a very, very short food.

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And beverage commission meeting because people do want to support the convention.

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Center, okay, so just just to be sure, I just.

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Might finish my question just to be sure this is a very technical request: okay,.

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You know, like we've, already committed to the amount of money here and you're, not.

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Dealing with the administration now and I sort of questioned the.

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Characterization of it, I think that they are dealing in good faith, but you're.

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Dealing with the city council now- and we have this resolution that shows the city.

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Council's after me and like we are responding to.

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County legals concern about procedure, the the rubber hits the road and the.

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Appropriation ordinance, I mean, but you know we we're not taking it up now. It's.

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Been postponed at the request of the county, we've we've done that and if you.

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You know accept the fact that we postponed the app board. I hope you'll.

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Take my word for it at least, that I will guarantee you that that language, which.

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The administration has agreed to will be in that app board. With that, do you still.

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Believe that this on this very technical matter that that line should be in this.

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Resolution tonight I just think it would be helpful it would. It would answer the.

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Question tonight- and we would be done with this- just to clarify.

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Miss guthrie, you stated that your preferences in the ordinance, not in the.

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Resolution is that correct, or are you favorable to me to either what would be.

AD

In the resolution tonight, what language is that no expenditure should be will be.

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Made until there's a connie tile, there is a governance structure agreement. I.

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AD

I mean we prefer the ordinance because that's the appropriation, but I mean we.

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Are committing we are happy to have you commit to not to us not spending money.

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Until I do want to make clear that we have not been stalling, we have been.

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Negotiating in good faith, I mean, I think everyone has seen this played out in.

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Public, I think the same charges could be made back from side to side and I don't.

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Think it's very helpful to keep throwing those around. So I'm not going to.

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Continue that we do not understand, however, as I think, councilor stir bomb.

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Asked there are significant differences? Yes, we have had discussions, but there.

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Are details that need to be worked out, including things like excuse me? What.

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Goes in the interlocal, which underlies so, for example, the cib has statutory.

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Requirements we are going to put in place if it's a cib, an interlocal that.

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Describes various details like who makes the appointments you know. Is there a.

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Controller there are all kinds of details that that we should not be.

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Forced anybody shouldn't be forced to decide by friday. The 501 c 3 is a good.

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Vehicle, it is different and I think those differences we have committed to.

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Figuring that out by the end of the month by friday, was a surprise to all of.

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Us I think, okay, I'd like to go to the next question council member chopra,.

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Your real goal is to get an ordinance passed by the end of this year. Is that.

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Correct, yes, so that the money is ready and waiting and we don't lose.

AD

Appropriations this year, isn't it true that you're also wanting to do it by the.

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End of the year so that this council can vote on it and yes, the new council yeah.

G

Okay, thank you further questions and let's try to focus on this resolution.

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Any other questions.

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Well, point of order. Mr. chair, I have inquired of our attorney whether we can.

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Construct a phrase that will satisfy the the requests, our problem at the moment.

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Me personally is trying to find the phrase is an interlocal agreement. Is it.

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The establishment of a governance of a governance body that we need to say.

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Tonight I mean: could we have a temporary agreement that will cover us between.

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December 11th december 31st- maybe that's what's called for just to.

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Get us there. I am happy to get as precise or as in the weeds as possible.

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In as long as we can be precise because this debate is at and it's rude about.

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The definition of terms- and we haven't always been defining terms the same way.

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I think we saw that this week so like interlocal agreement, what does that mean.

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Exactly I understand the county's concern and.

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This is why I want to get the words right all this also, why I'd like to see.

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It happen in the app board. You know I want to commit to it, but I don't know.

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What language will satisfy at this moment we're talking about the.

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Resolution at this resolution I wondered if I could ask the corporate counsel to.

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Confer with our attorney to make sure that the language suits you're in would.

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You would you were asking for, but I mean the question is to counties what word.

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And then we, and once we have the phrase then we can- we can visit that. So I think.

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First was comfortable since, yes, this is for, did you want to speak? I wanted to.

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Mention one other thing: the tort claims we were conferring with our insurer.

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Today and another one or broker- and they didn't say anything like 75,000, we will.

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Not have a real sort of estimate until tomorrow, but especially with these kinds.

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Of entities you would contract the management firm as the county does now.

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And a lot of that liability passes to to that management firm and regardless both.

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Entities would need general insurance of some kind, property insurance and things.

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Like that, so we do not believe that the tort claim liability would be much.

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Different depending on the entity, I just wanted to clarify that. Thank you for the.

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Clarification, but we have another meeting following this with items on it,.

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And I'm trying to keep us to this point, which is the resolution at hand? It's not.

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Going to specify whether it's a 501, c, 3 or cmv, and so let's go from there.

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So come to member simms, you had a question. It was a satisfying thing. I.

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Think to control where the controller's location under city control and just a.

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Reminder that this is this is a. It is a resolution that the county asked for, and.

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We agree to do we believe, and both your legal staff and our legal.

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Staff believes that we followed the requirements so we're doing this at.

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Their behest, this is a very technical. This is a very technical issue that we.

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Can resolve tonight and then take time. This is a 30-year decision on the.

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Governance of this of this so have a deadline of friday at noon. For us to say.

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Agree to two things when we know the mayor is going to be out of town and we.

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Have other projects we think let's be deliberative but quick, but let's not do.

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It so quick that we make mistakes that we regret. Thank you.

AB

Thanks further questions, instead, it was for council got three pardon me. This is.

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For council philippa got the ring. Oh.

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Thank you. I do have a question. I don't have a whole lot more to answer. I think.

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What use them when you asked me if that's okay, I'm fine with that, but I.

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Just want to clear something up. One of my colleagues just said basically ask.

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You do we want to get this done with this council and I think there was an.

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Inference that we that administration wants to get this done with this body as.

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Opposed to the next body, and then you said yes, we want to do it this year. Can.

F

You expound on that. Does this have anything to do with the incoming council.

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People well our council members, as opposed to what we've already been talking about for the longest yeah. I just don't want.

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The public to get to get that with that idea, that's not in my opinion. What's.

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Going on so, no, no only in the sense that there will be four new members and they.

AD

Will need to be brought up to speed, they haven't been involved in the process to.

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This point and therefore that could delay things further. Okay, thank you and.

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I'd also like to add, as council president, that I conferred with my.

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Colleagues and the majority, I believe, unanimously at least when I spoke to.

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Everyone wanted to schedule it for this year, and so here we are so, are there.

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Other questions, okay, we may have an amendment coming. That's my question.

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Can we ask mr. sherman.

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Okay, mr. president, can I suggest that we go to open public comment on resolution.

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1919, if we'd haven't don't we have to go through that now or we already had it. We.

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Do but we generally amended first, but now we didn't go to the general public.

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So if there was public other than elected county officials who would like.

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To speak to the resolution, 1919 feel free to step up okay, seeing none.

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Thanks, mr. president, I'm gonna move amendment one to resolution 1919 the.

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Language that mr. sherman is printing out now, I hope, will satisfy the concerns.

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Of my colleagues, my counterparts in the county, I don't actually know what the.

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Words are we're going to see them in just a minute. I suggest a basis. We may.

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Recess for five minutes it would, unless mr. sherman, are you.

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Close, do you need additional time? Do you need additional time all right, then? I.

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Suggest we recess for five minutes. Five minutes like to reconvene this regular.

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Session meeting wednesday december 4th.

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We were discussing resolution 1919 the possibility of an amendments. Mr. chair, I.

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Can read the amendment while mr. sherman is preparing it? We have language the.

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Amendment reads as follows: we'll add a whereas clause that reads as follows, or.

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As the city council and mayor intend that the expenditure shall only be made.

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After the contract for design has been transferred to and accepted by a.

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Governing entity agreed upon by the city and county, that is, the text of the.

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Amendment, what it basically says is that, upon the creation of an.

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And upon that entity accepting that the design contract, that's when the contract.

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Will be, in other words, it's up to the new body, whether it's a cib or somebody.

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Else to accept the design contract it can be whatever has been negotiated by.

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The administration will be transferred to that entity and then it is up to that.

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Body to make the final decision on executing at the word we have here is.

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Accepting the design contract, okay, thank you, and I would like to hear from you.

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Know I would like to hear from representative county commissioners and.

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I'd like to hear from city staff, corporate counsel a huge thank you. We.

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Appreciate your cooperation, your assistance and your negotiation skills.

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And we're happy with this and we look forward to the next chapter. Thank you.

AE

Thank you, corporation counsel, philippa guthrie, we're we're. Okay with that too.

AD

Okay, very good. Thank you. We're waiting for mr. spoon, eric spoon, moore county.

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Council also happy with this, and just thank you all so much for your patience.

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And your collaboration and cooperation and and willingness to understand the.

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Concerns we really really do appreciate you. Thank you so much. Thank you. Okay are.

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There any questions about the amendment, seeing none we'll go to the public, the.

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Public would like to comment on amendment 1 of resolution 1919, seeing.

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None we're back to council. I strongly urge acceptance of this event. Council.

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Member peanut smith.

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This is a good amendment. I think it confirms what all of us individually.

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Have said, which is that we want an equal partnership with the county on the.

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Expansion of the convention center, we do not want either of the county or the.

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City and administration to act unilaterally and to that end we want the.

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Formation of a collaborative body with equal membership, and that needs to be in.

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Place before we move forward with any contracts and before any further funds.

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Are expended so I appreciate the amendment I think at this point. It's it.

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It doesn't really bear on this particular resolution, since we are just.

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Asking the food and beverage commission for a recommendation, but it shows our.

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Good faith and our intentions in the future, so I think it's a good idea. Thank.

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You thank you any further comment. Councilmember sandburg extent that this.

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Language can alleviate many of the fears that we're hearing from the public and.

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And I will say this has been an embarrassment that for our opportunities.

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To sit down with our colleagues on the county council, it is very clear: there's.

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No disagreement: we all want this convention center. We want it to move.

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Expeditiously, we want it to move fairly and we don't want to waste time in the.

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Disputes that can be more readily resolved. And if this helps to reassure.

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The food and beverage board that our commitment up here is legitimate. It's in.

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Good faith then so be it and then next phases are make sure that.

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Money is there it's ready to go as soon as the governing body is in place and.

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That's all we're trying to do here, and I hope this can move forward to a place of.

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Trust and a place of better ability to negotiate these things in the future.

M

Thank you any further comments or recommendation call the question.

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Question has been called on amendment ones, resolution 1990.

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Please call the roll councilmember. Yes, yes, boy.

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Yes, rollo, yes, few months, man, yes, ruff, yes, sandburg, yes,.

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Stir bomb, thank you, amendment one is adopted.

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Seven zero. I just wanted to make one request as a gesture of goodwill since.

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We were willing to do this, that the county withdraw its friday deadline for.

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Agreeing to a an entity since we had already proposed by the end of the year.

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Consumer volant, yes, I had hoped frankly last week I had hoped to set up.

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A meeting to talk with a commissioner on thursday or friday this week, I was.

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Events superseded or preceded me, I feel like. If we have the weekend, we can work.

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Out a deal for you no governing body by monday, but we need all the time we can.

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Get so I would echo miss guthrie's request and I would like to hear from.

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The commissioners- I just want to point out also that the mayor is gone. This.

AD

Weekend I mean at this point we're going to have to deal with the administration.

C

Without the mayor, thank you. I just want to say that this is commissioners.

AE

Decision- and we can, in this public forum, make another decision because we're not.

AE

A noticed meeting, so this would have to be considered at a meeting of the.

AE

Commissioners, we appreciate hearing your suggestion and we'll take that under.

AE

Advisement. Thank you. Okay, we're back to the.

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Resolution as amended, and I think that we opened it up to open it up again to.

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Public comment: if there's any additional public comment, seeing none, we.

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Will come back to council for final comment on resolution 1919 as amended.

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Councilman boland! Yes again, let me emphasize here there has been a lot of.

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I'll just call it acrimony over the past few months, more than a few months and.

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Having dug into it over the past week being forced into the chair person, ship.

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Of the tax advisory committee, which it didn't see coming.

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Hi, sherry shelly odor, wherever you are, I just want to say that I genuinely.

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Believe that the problem here has been to fit definition of terms that.

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Literally county elected officials and city administrative officials, I have not.

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Been speaking, the same language, I know this firsthand from having just.

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Negotiated this you know- and it's not to say that they're that far apart, but this.

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Is where I'm going to emphasize again, the problem has been the details and the.

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Problems been precision of terms, I you know when we start dividing up. I will.

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Say once again what I said yesterday, the phrase moving forward is the perfect.

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Example, everyone says it: nobody knows what it means. It's a pronoun that we.

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Have to figure out what it literally exactly means everybody else so like if.

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I could just ban the phrase moving forward from everybody for the next few.

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Days while we cuz that's literally what we're all trying to do, I want to be more.

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Specific, this is a good start. We have gotten specific. What's that.

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Let's get her done so, but I'm just saying the next few days, there's just as.

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Much work to be done in the next few days. Every elected here knows it. I'm.

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Sure that staff knows it too, so we're not done here. We have to work out the.

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App word and do that we have to work out all the issues that have been leading to.

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It the governance body, the the site, location and then finally, the.

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The ordinance thank you please support this councilmember sims, I just wanna, say.

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I'm glad we've come to at least this far and in honor of my colleague. We have.

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More to do on another committee of the whole here in a minute, so can we move.

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Forward. Thank you other comment. I just want to.

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Say thank you for the elected officials who attended this evening and for.

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Sharing your information so with that, as a recommendation call question on.

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Resolution 1919, as amended questions me called second on resolution 1919 as.

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Amended with his clerk, please call the roll councilmember boland. Yes,.

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Bralla, yes, piedmon smith; yes, yes, sandburg, yes, sim sure pop sims. Yes thank.

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You thank you. Resolution 1919, as amended, is adopted.

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7-0: okay: we will now move to additional public comment for items not on our.

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Agenda there's anyone interested I sing. None will will now go to council.

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Schedule our council journey out of the room, but I would like to remind council.

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That in your handout tonight, there's a certificate of compliance with indiana.

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Code: three six, one, two zero point: two, which is nepotism and employment, and I.

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See three: six 121 episode, nepotism and contracting and associated city of.

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Bloomington resolution 12 ten and twelve eleven the clerk has copies. This is a.

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This is just for your information, but please see the clerk who has copies.

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For you to fill out and sign counsel attorney, sherman sure we address counts.

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So scheduled we have a special session that we to schedule is that correct? Actually, um you you've already had a motion where.

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You're scheduling a special session for next wednesday at 6:30, so just treat.

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That, as a reminder, okay- and this was a night where you gave.

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Yourself an opportunity to amend the you do schedule. I don't think you need to do.

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That tonight we talked about that last night room to do that next week. So.

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Nothing else on counsel schedule. Thank you, okay. Well. That concludes our.

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Business for the regular session of adjournment all in favor of a journey.

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I will reconvene as a committee the poll chaired by councilmember boland in a.

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Moment, committee of the whole for december 4th we have two items on our.

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Agenda appropriation, ordinance 1908 in ordinance, 1927, which amends ordinance.

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1817, let's start with appropriation ordinance, 1908 kevin curran, director of.

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Auditing and finance systems and the controller are here mr. curran, I beg.

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Your indulgence, we appreciate your patience and waiting all these hours.

C

Please go ahead: okay, thanks, council members, again kevin.

AJ

Burn with the controllers, I please get a little closer to the mic. We have trouble.

C

Hearing you, oh I'm, sorry, who's, that that's better.

C

But again we are presenting the appropriation ordinance 1908, which is.

AJ

The 2019 comprehensive year in appropriation request, we are looking at.

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Basically, needs to move funds within our move or appropriate dollars within funds.

AJ

To ensure that that our budget is met at a category level at a line item.

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Excuse me level so I'll go through at a high level and then any questions you.

AJ

Guys have I'm happy to answer, as in the past general fund, our goal was always to.

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Come to a zero net impact, so while there are some ships within departments.

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Between categories and in some cases, between departments.

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That impact is zero. There will be no impact on taxes. We also cover the parks.

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And rec general fund parking facilities, fund, mph fund, all trans parking fund and.

AJ

Cume cap development fund, all of these do have appropriation requests between.

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Categories but the net impact for them is zero as well and then the last two.

AJ

The parking meter fund has a additional appropriation request of a hundred and.

AJ

Sixty thousand dollars that request is to cover the cost of meters to cover the.

AJ

College and walnut parking spaces up to 17th street and then the the.

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Installation of those those meters, while it is an additional appropriation.

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Request there are adequate funds available to cover that, so it will have.

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No impact on taxes, fees or otherwise, and then the last is the rental inspection.

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Program, I believe it was 2012 that state legislation was passed that required any.

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Any funds that received for rental inspection programs be held in a.

AJ

Separate fund, at the same time, we we incurred the actual expenses in the.

AJ

General fund, under the general fund that that manages the same process, the the.

AJ

Programs, so, as is typical in years past, were requested we're requesting an.

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Appropriation to reimburse the general fund with the funds that were collected.

AJ

Into this fund so again, these are dollars that have been received. That.

AJ

Have been spent out of the general fund- and this is just a settlement of those.

AJ

Balances, so that's an overview, I'm happy to answer any questions you may have.

AJ

Thank you for the presentation. Are there questions for the presentation for the.

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Probation ordnance from my colleagues over piedmont smith. Yes, as you know, last.

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Year we passed an ordinance that requires expenditures that were not.

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Previously discussed that are a hundred thousand dollars or.

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More for any one item to come back to council for approval, and so I'm just.

O

Wondering I see a couple of things here that are over a hundred thousand dollars.

O

In the cume cap development fund you're moving over $300,000 from classification.

O

Two to classification three: is that: is there any one item in in category three.

O

That is over a hundred thousand dollars that yeah the majority of those dollars.

AJ

Relate to the community crossing project initially, when it was budgeted, it was.

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Budgeted, assuming that would be done within the city with with city resources,.

AJ

It was later determined that it was cost effective to outsource that so instead.

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Of incurring the costs as supplies as a category, we're moving it to services so.

AJ

That a third party would be able to complete the work that we initially.

AJ

Intended to complete ourselves, I see so it's it's for a project that we had.

AJ

That's just being funded in a different way.

AJ

Exactly and the community crossings remind me, that's the software suite no.

AJ

No community crossings, so it's it's, not the software, it's no. This is the vernal.

AB

Pike where we got the appropriate, the occult for anna pike anymore, it's our.

AB

Share of this site of the I-69, so it's a come bring funds for that project at.

O

Seventeen and fountain whatever that new name is yeah, that that's where we got a.

AB

Community crossings grant okay, yeah. Sorry I mean it sounded like it was.

O

Something with crossroads: yeah these software programs also have vagueness, no.

AB

Yeah, there's nothing to do with the software. That's all appropriated in our.

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Funds and we, we won't appropriate any additional monies. This year, we we put.

AB

The difference in for next year, rather than bifurcate this, if there were.

AB

Transfers between categories or within a category we we put that in this.

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Ordinance so there's not, there were no internal other internal transfers that.

AB

Would have triggered the $100,000 or otherwise we would have given you.

AB

Resolution on that as well, okay, so the related to that the other thing that.

O

Stood out was the $125 thousand dollars in the parking meter fund that, along.

O

With some money from category three, it was going to the acquisition of new.

O

Meters was that something that was already in the 2019 budget, initially, the.

O

New meters, the that the decision to put those meters in came after we got the.

AB

2019 budget approved, so this appropriates that money to buy that.

AB

Meters and actually put them on it's in this, we can't spend it unless you.

AB

Appropriated this is new money yeah. This is actual new money. Okay, so um there was.

O

Something in here that triggered that new review process- yes yeah, they came to.

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Us there, by the time, they've got all the information pulled together on what the.

AB

Cost of the meters were gonna, be we needed. We needed to appropriate.

AB

Additional money to buy those meters. Okay, thank you.

O

Thank you councillor for piemonte smith, any other questions for this.

C

Appropriation ordinance seeing none. We go to the public for comment, seeing no.

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Public comment would come back to the council for debate or a recommendation.

C

We have a recommendation in a second I'll start on my left with customer.

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Sandberg, yes, yes, recommendation is 7-0 and I have been reminded that ordinance.

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1927 was on our agenda just in case, so that concludes our business. For this.

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Evening this committee, the whole, is adjourned good night.