City of Bloomington, Indiana City Council, 10 Dec 2019

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Good evening, everyone I'd like to call to order this bloomington common council.

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Special special session for proposed amendments to ordinance 1924, which.

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Repeals and reenacts the text of title 20, the unified development ordinance or.

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You do, and it is tuesday, the 10th of december 2019 well their clerk. Please.

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Bravo or breath.

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Three months, myth here.

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Granger present rollo here.

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And sandberg here, thank you here is our agenda summation if you'd.

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Like an agenda, you may find them beside the clerk. We will have the continued.

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Consideration of amendments to ordinance 1924, which is to repeal and replace.

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Title 20 of the bloomington municipal code entitled unified development.

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Ordinance, we will first go to presentation on unanswered questions if.

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We have any from previous discussions. We will have a summation of our conduct of.

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Deliberations regarding time limits this evening, we have a consent agenda.

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These are amendments for consideration which may be adopted by one roll call.

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Vote please note that council members are reviewing the amendments listed.

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Below and may recommend that some for quick consideration here, please also.

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Note that any council member may request that amendments on the consent agenda be.

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Moved to their ordinary order of deliberation later on the agenda, so the.

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Consent agenda consists of youth regulations chapter twenty point: zero.

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Three amendment 62 sponsored by councilmember, sandburg and staff, affects.

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Twenty point: zero: three point: zero: two: zero and twenty point: zero. Three point:.

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Zero three zero: it adds a new specific standard under twenty point: zero: three.

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Point: zero three zero b, 10 four fraternity and sorority, and makes.

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Adjustments to table three ones reflect that added standard under development.

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Standards in incentives chapter twenty point: zero four is amendment sixty five.

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Sponsored by councilmember rallo and it affects twenty point, zero. Four point: one.

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One zero d 1 and it recognizes the need for rehabilitation of existing.

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Structures toward improved sustainability amendment sixty six.

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Follows which is sponsored by councilmember rollo affects twenty point.

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Zero four point: 1 1 0 d to a four and it specifies when roofs containing.

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Vegetation must meet landscaping or guidelines to qualify for certain.

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Incentives followed by amendment sixty seven sponsored by councilmember rollo.

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Affects twenty point: zero four point: one one: zero d, 2, a.

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Five and it makes clear that on-site, solar, photovoltaic systems may exceed.

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The minimum requirements for sustainable development incentives- then it was.

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Followed by amendment 68 sponsored by councilmember rallo, and affects twenty.

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Point zero four point: 1 2, 0 b1 and it adds plant material and vegetative ruse.

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To the maintenance responsibilities of developers and their successors and.

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Includes vegetative, roof infrastructure as an example of applicable landscaping.

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Structures under definitions, chapter twenty point: zero seven is amendments.

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Sixty nine sponsored by councilmember rallo and it affects twenty point: zero.

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Seven point: zero one zero. It deletes the definition for green building worksheet.

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Because the term is not used in the you do then under our regular agenda is.

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Under zoning districts chapter twenty point: zero two is amendment sixty.

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Sponsored by councilmember piedmont, smith and it affects twenty point: zero.

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Two point: zero: two: zero and table two to table two three table: two 7 and table.

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Two eight and it adjusts the potentially adjust and potentially reduces the.

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Length of driveways in some residential zoning districts by amending building.

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Setbacks for attached front-loading garages or car ports that is followed by.

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Amendment 61 sponsored by councilmember piedmont, smith, that affects twenty point.

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Zero two point: zero: two: zero e 2 and table two six: it increases the maximum.

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Primary structure height and are for zoning districts from thirty five to.

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Forty feet under your development standards in incentives, chapter twenty.

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Point zero four is amendment sixty three sponsored by councilmember rallo and it.

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Affects twenty point: zero four point: zero: two: zero ii: it amends table to.

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Table for six authorized exceptions to setback requirements to add a row for.

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Front entry to allow an exception for the maximum of six feet for those kinds.

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Of street side additions which do not exceed one third of the.

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With of the main portion of the house followed by count, amendment 64 sponsored.

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By councilmember rollo affects 20 point 0 4 point 1, 1, 0 c 7b clarifies that a.

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Time should be set for implementation of payment in lieu of definitions and.

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Procedures and that these procedures should be publicly available under.

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Definitions, it's amendments, 0-9 are sponsored by councilmember, valen and.

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Staff and it affects twenty point- zero, three point: zero, three: zero and twenty.

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Point, zero, seven point zero one zero and it creates a definition for cooperative.

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Housing revised revises the definition of family and adds use specific.

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Standards related to cooperative housing, land use. After that regular agenda, we.

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Will go to council schedule and then we will recess this evening no later than.

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10:00 p.m. so with that we will go first to presentation on and answer questions.

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From previous discussions, mr. robinson or mr. rucker, do we have any we don't.

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Have any presentations tonight I'll be happy to answer any questions? Okay are.

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There any questions that left hanging from previous meetings, seeing none, we.

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Will go to contact of deliberations. Our parliamentarian is not here, so I will.

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Read the the time limits that we, it was adopted by a previous motion which.

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Allows ten minutes for sponsor or presentation five minutes for planning.

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And transportation staff comment, then we go to council questions for two minutes.

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Per council member per round 20 minutes total. Then we proceed to public input. We.

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Allow three minutes per speaker and no more than 2.5 hours of public comment. I.

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Don't think we'll reach that then we'll come back to council questions two.

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Minutes per council member per round twenty minutes total and.

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Common council debate and vote on a suitable motion, three minutes per.

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Councilmember maximum 30 minutes in total, so that has been already adopted.

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So we'll proceed in that. Yes, yes, point of order.

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Yeah going to be doing the timing is that going to be the vice president?.

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Thanks, yes, she's would you volunteer? Oh time, paper has arrived.

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Good timing, just in time, alright, we've.

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We will, we will allow you to, can we've we've reviewed the conduct of.

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Deliberations and you will set the time limits, remove all these numbers. That's.

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Fine yeah yeah, okay, so now we will go to consent agenda. If we have a motion.

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Second, good, okay, that's been moved and seconded, and I it would anyone like to.

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Remove an item from the consent agenda.

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Seeing none we will go to the public. The public has comment on the consent agenda.

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Okay, seeing none we're back to council.

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Okay, any questions we call in second and on the consent agenda, will the clerk.

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Please call the roll.

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Yes, I'm gonna do that, one more time: councilmember, piedmont, smith! Yes,.

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Granger, yes, rallo! Yes! Yes, finn, yes, fan barry! Yes, thank you.

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The consent agenda is a adopted 8 to 0. Turning now to the regular agenda, we.

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Will go first to amendment 60 sponsored by a councilmember, piedmont smith. I move.

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Amendment 62 the you do. Second, this amendment is about the length of.

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Driveways in our er1 rm and rh districts, and it seeks to.

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Reduce the amount of impervious surface by, in many cases, reducing the required.

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Minimum length of the driveway, this was brought to my attention by a resident.

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Here in bloomington, I am not a hundred percent convinced of the value of this.

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Amendment myself, but I thought it would be worth discussing so currently. This is.

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The minimum setback for front-loading garages in these districts is calculated.

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As an additional setback from the front of the main building, but of course, as we.

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Know we have many novels, non-conforming single family lots and those are family.

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Lots in the city, so there may be a case where the front building setback is.

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Non-Conforming and then requiring the additional space setback for the.

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Driveway would really lead to a lot more impermeable surface than is necessary, so.

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For example, for the re zone, the main building setback is 30 feet if the main.

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Reason for the longer garage setback is to allow parking in the driveway. Then.

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The additional 10 feet is really not necessary. 30 feet is plenty of room.

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For parking, if the main reason for the longer garage setback is to is, is to.

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Establish a building forward design, I argue that that's already impossible.

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With a 30 feet, setback and if the main reason is to make sure the garage is not.

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The most prominent feature of the building, then it seems an equal setback.

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Of garage and home would be adequate, so I attempted to create some drawings.

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And I disappointed that councilmember stir bomb is not here because he always.

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Asked for drawings- and I tried to accommodate so in your packet- that was.

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Distributed today, the first one is a drawing I made of adding on to the few.

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Things on to the rt district, so you'll see that if there's a 30-foot front.

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Building setback in this example, it's actually the house pictured, is set back.

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Further than that, and then the garage is set back 10 feet further than that still.

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So if we moved the garage up, that would be 10 feet less of driveway, so 10 feet.

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With less of permeable surface, then the next page is an example in the r-1.

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District, so here I attempted to draw a couple of other houses for different.

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Examples so the house that is actually in the you do drawing gives you an.

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Example of a 15-foot setback and then an additional 5 foot setback for the garage.

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So in that example, we would have. If this amendment were passed, we would have five.

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Foot less of a permeable surface! Now, if the house is actually closer to the.

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Street than what the minimum, what the minimum front building setback is, which.

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Would be a non-conforming, the use which, of course, we have some of these, then.

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Actually, requiring.

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Twenty-Five feet would lead to more permeable surface, so in that case we're.

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Not really gaining any storm water runoff benefits of having less perez.

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Surface I mean more pervious surface but then in the other example on the right.

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What if we had a case where the minimum lot setback is actually longer than what.

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Is required in the you do here if we had an additional ten feet really that.

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Doesn't benefit anybody because this house is so far away from the street.

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Anyway, it doesn't really affect the you know the pedestrian view of it's not.

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Like the garage is gonna be close to the pedestrians anyway, and in this case, we.

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Would gain two feet of pervious surface, so grass or vegetation instead of having.

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That garage that extra long driveway, so these are just some examples- the.

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Amendment also has similar requirements so separating the front building setback.

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From the setback for the garage for rm and rh, so I wanted to introduce this. I.

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Think it's kind of a trade-off permeable surface or not seeing the garage as much.

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So I'm eager to hear what my colleagues might think about this. Thank you. Thank.

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You we'll go to staff scott robinson, an assistant director for planning and.

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Transportation generally, I think that the intent of why we had the additional.

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10-Foot setback is dealing with. Aesthetics does not really necessarily.

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Deal with impervious surface as councilmember piedmont, smith had talked.

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About generally we're looking at building forward design.

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Eyes on the street, and we didn't want the garage structures to be the primary.

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Focus of buildings there's some things called snout houses. Generally. That's.

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Where the garage is the prominent feature of the house, and so it's more of an aesthetic treatment, certainly understand the concerns regarding about.

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The additional potential impact of impervious surface- that's the intent of.

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Why we had the ten feet back from the primary building facade there currently.

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Are structures in our community that do you have that kind of prominent garage.

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That faces the street. I would say that you know if council does amend miss does.

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Amend this will need to do a technical amendment to deal with table 4-2 to.

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Reflect those changes that wasn't included in here, so I just wanted to.

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Point that out that table just references, the setbacks and heights.

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Cross references those will need to correct that if this amendment passes.

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Generally, it's fine. It's kind of a policy question that's being raised as.

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Far as impervious surface again, our intent of why it has been written this.

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Way was to discourage that kind of prominent garage garage doors facing the.

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Street trying to encourage the primary entrance and the physical structure of.

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The house to face the street: that's the intent of the way the those setbacks had.

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Been drafted but again happy to answer any questions just to clarify. Do you.

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Have a preference staff supports the way it's currently drafted? We do believe.

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That that does create better consistency for neighborhoods in curb appeal. Yes, its.

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Aesthetic, you know, I think in some of the you know, the ree larger, more kind of.

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Rural settings may be, it might be more appropriate, but when you get into the.

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More urban areas again, I think the prominent feature of a streetscape you.

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Know eyes on the street dismayed hinder that again. I think, as proposed. It's.

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Being suggested to be equal to the building, there may be some current situations where structure may actually be further.

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Back because these are minimums they could put the garage forward of that.

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Building but again I think actually I think that was corrected with that.

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Language so yeah again it's just a policy direction on that. Thank you. So.

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Now we'll have questions customer simms. Thank you. Mr. robertson, council member.

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Piedmont smith mentioned non-conforming lots. Do we run into any issues with.

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Non-Conforming lots with this amendments changes so in any situation. There's.

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Legally non-conforming lots, so in a current situation you could continue to.

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Use your property as a legally non-conforming situation. It would.

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There's triggers that would happen. If you were to come in and make changes to your property, then there's certain things you would have to comply with.

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Those changes, so that's, wouldn't that would kick in okay. Did that answer your.

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Question well and this amendment not necessarily will change that moving.

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Forward no okay! Thank you. Further questions comes from granger phrase. This.

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But I'm- and I don't know to whom I'm addressing it, but is there with without.

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The amendment I mean, are we really losing a lot of permeable surface with.

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The way that we have it written right now I mean: is it I'm just trying to figure out how to weigh the the permeable.

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Surface with aesthetics, I personally don't like to look at garages either, but.

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I just can't figure out what the benefits really the benefit would.

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Outweigh the the benefit of having permeable surface, I think you know the.

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First, two zoning districts, the re and r1- remember we haven't mapped the r1.

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District, so there isn't any of that land currently there's very little land.

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Currently, zoned re, so I don't think it would have any impact in those two.

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Districts realistically, as far as how it could be impacted, moving forward again.

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Largely the cities mostly built out so we're looking at new areas where that.

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Change would happen on reducing impervious surface, so there might be a.

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Few instances where somebody may want to, I guess, add onto their garage or build a.

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Carport, where they could have a 10 feet, less of permeate per me, impervious.

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Surface so that would be the potential benefit or change. Did that answer your.

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Question, yes, it did, but it doesn't give me an answer.

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How's that I mean I think again, given the the nature of the re zone in the r1.

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I don't think there's a huge potential for a lot of change, one way or the other.

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The two other districts you know again, those areas are currently largely built.

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Out the differences are probably minimal, so there could be a little bit more.

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Potential in the future moving forward.

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Constantly rough well, it strikes me that you know in these areas that are largely.

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Built out not exclusively is where we have the flooding problems. I mean we.

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Know we have problems in areas farther away from the the most highly densely.

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Developed areas, but I mean, I think, incrementally over time as people have.

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Built additions, as people have gotten run a paving they're, formerly gravel.

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Driveways my driveway was grabbed heights. When I first got the place, I.

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Think these things are contributing to increased flooding in these little in.

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These urban neighborhoods these core neighborhoods, that where we have isolated issues, I like down a manor road, probably bryant,.

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Park and and with increasing size of rainfall events I mean it seems to me.

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Like this, even it's the idea that incrementally we just keep doing little.

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Things and then, after a decade we actually are experiencing a big problem.

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That nobody really fully understands why, why is flooding seem worse now? Why is it.

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Worse at my house, then it was, you know when I got the place, so I'm wondering.

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I'm along with cosmic ranger, trying to get a sense of of whether this could.

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Make a difference a cumulative effect difference given time. Well, that's a.

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Challenging question to answer again: I think one of the things I might want you.

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To think about is how most people currently use their garages. I know many.

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People often can't store their vehicles in there because they store their things.

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In their garages so they're often using their driveways to store their vehicles.

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I do know on some places depending on how many vehicles are stored. They start.

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Stacking up and sometimes blocking sidewalks. So again, it's hard to.

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Anticipate you know that the consequences, if this would be beneficial.

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Or not it in the impervious surface. But you look at how it would house and.

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Driveways are being used, that's a different question. I guess so even.

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Though, if this were to pass, there could be shorter driveways that still doesn't.

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Raise the question on if the garage is actually being used to stored vehicles.

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Or if people are actually using their driveways to store additional vehicles.

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And then you start dealing with other issues with blocking sidewalks and.

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What-Have-You, so that's you know again. I think I.

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The desire and intent- and there is potential, but I think it's really hard.

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To anticipate what that change is, I don't think would be a significant.

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Impact personally, but I think everything adds up and that's something to think.

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About okay, thanks for your response, I had a quick follow-up for councilman.

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Piedmont smith, if I may you're a minute over time go ahead, I think I just misses.

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Councilor piedmont smith, when you major initial argument was fairly convinced if.

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I thought it's fairly pervasive or persuasive, but you said at the start that you didn't. I mean I got the sense you were saying you didn't really have a strong feeling either way, but then you proceeded to make a pretty good case. I'm.

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So um I'm kind of wondering where you're at on this, I think, where I'm at is that.

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It probably will not make a big difference either way, as mr. robinson.

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Said this amendment deals with re and r1 and a couple of multifamily districts.

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Multi-Family districts, you usually don't have garages, so it's usually a moot.

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Point and r1 is not on the map yet and re is very limited. I did have in mind.

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That r1 will probably be used if and when we ever annex some land. That would.

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Be an appropriate use, but I guess I think it's a good idea, but I don't think.

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It'll make a big difference, so that's right! Okay, thank you.

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Further questions- and I just have one it's kind of a reiteration, but the way I.

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See it is that I mean nothing, is more aesthetically punishing to me and then.

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Going through and seeing snow asses, I mean just as the prominent feature.

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Garage garage crash- and this is it's- removing some building articulation.

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Which makes things aesthetically interesting right to have that kind of.

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Articulation so that's what you're hoping to achieve is you know less of a.

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Less prime minutes of garages, but more of building articulation yeah get the.

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Idea of the setback would create a little bit of articulation and again put.

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The facade of the house being the primary feature forward in the garage or.

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Carport behind that, so it's not the emphasis of the structure yeah that.

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That's the original intent behind that 10-foot setback yeah. I understand okay.

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There are no other counts, merukimon smith. Oh yes,.

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First of all, the amendment would not allow the garage to be closer to the.

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Street than the house is so we would not be allowing snout houses. Also there's a.

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Reason why this amendment does not include r2, r3 or r4 districts, where.

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Which, I think are more likely to have pedestrians because those districts I.

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Think it is important to have a pedestrian friendly street frontage with.

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The articulation and the prominence of the porch or front door as opposed to a.

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Garage, so I just wanted to note those issues that this is really just in the.

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The more rural sort of districts and in the couple of multifamily districts.

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Thank you for that clarification. I didn't mean to say literally snout.

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Houses, but it's that sort of aesthetic that comes more rough for staff, which.

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Would you estimate or take some kind of guess that the percentage of.

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Development over the next decade or whatever that we might anticipate to see.

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Affected in any way by this from development on individual lots that.

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Aren't associated with any larger development all the way up to you know.

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Coordinated developments, parts of bigger projects how much of the potentially.

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Affected development, whether it's a it's an addition to or anything all the way.

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Up to a project would be already covered, they're impervious the retention, the.

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Stormwater retention and detention regulations about rate of discharge from.

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From the project would probably covered by covered anyway by the stormwater.

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Regulations that aim to prevent any increased runoff anyway. So so there are.

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Impervious surface standards that could kick in but again it depends on the size.

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Of the structure and other improvements that are occur on the site, so that's a.

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Fairly site-specific, so it's hard to tell how this would impact. I can't.

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Speculate on the anticipated nature of type of development activity, that's.

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Gonna happen, I mean there's a lot of factors that play into that with the economy. You know we saw a downturn of the economy in 2008 and how that really.

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Changed things I would say, historically, since I've been here, the student housing.

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Markets been very strong and continues to be strong, and we see the multifamily.

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Being the primary driver of our housing market, we're trying to change that with.

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Incentives and other things with this code, I would anticipate if regardless.

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That this passes or not, I think, there's still potential for people wanting to.

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Modify their existing houses with additions and what-have-you, so that has.

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Some potential impact new areas, I think that's highly speculative- to get into.

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That depends on the developer and what kind of product are they're trying to.

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Market and sell okay, thanks for response other questions, seeing none, we will go.

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To the public, the public would like to comment on amendment 60, seeing no public.

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Comment we're back to council for any other questions or comments. Let's go to.

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Comment, since I don't think there are any questions: councilmember ruff yeah as.

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Councilman people must have pointed out, it doesn't allow the garage to be.

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Forward of the house- and I think that's the concern that really, I think to me.

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Aesthetically creates some issues so, given that and given that I mean I hear.

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So many concerns in complaints of stormwater problems being worse than.

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They were in previous years and seeing stormwater events coming. Even if this is.

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Just an incremental change I I could like it. I think I will support it, given.

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That, once again at the garage can't go beyond the front setback, councilman ron.

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Smith, yeah I'm gonna vote for my own amendment. I just want to mention that.

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Blocking sidewalks is really an enforcement issue and it can happen no.

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Matter how long the driveway is so I don't think that should be a reason to.

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Vote against this, and it's interesting what mr. robbins has said about people.

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Using their garages to store things rather other than their cars, you know.

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That's just a symptom of our kind of consumer culture which is kind of a sad.

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Excuse but sorry that was totally irrelevant, just my musings but yeah. I.

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Think that you know this could make a little difference on the stormwater even.

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If you build with the you know the maximum impervious surface in mind in.

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Your subdivision things change over time and we've seen more and more rain events.

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And I think that every little bit would help so I'm in favor. Thank you. Thank you.

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Councilmember simms. Thank you one. One of the issues in my neighborhood.

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Is having houses pretty much designed with the garage forward and equal with.

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The front setback which is moved forward and one of our issues is sometimes.

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Having a car parked in a car apart behind, it creates a blockage on the.

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Sidewalk and I'm not saying that's going to be a.

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Major thing, but in fact it is and I'm hearing that it's not gonna, be us a real.

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Big difference with regard to stormwater rain off, and I know it's hard to predict.

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But this has good intent, I mean, I think I understand it, but it just feels like.

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Regulations- that's not necessarily needed to me at this at this point and.

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Particularly for the the two zones that we're talking about so just want to say.

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That I'm and don't think all people to support this. But I understand that they.

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Intend in the goodness thereof, but I think it'll create some other issues at.

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This point or not create enough benefit to change necessarily those regulations.

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Thank you further comment boy. This is a tough one for me. I I could really go.

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Either way, I think the aesthetics are important, but.

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I'm thinking with leaning toward a councilman ruff that that in any little.

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Bit in terms of impervious surface can probably.

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Out matters so I'll support this there's no other comment, this or father question.

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Second, kenny questions be called second amendment 60. Well, the clerk. Please call.

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The roll council members, hamburg.

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Oh, no, I'm not used to finn. Oh she's going backward need to know. Yes.

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Rolla, yes, granger; yes, piedmont! Smith! Yes, ruff! Yes, yes,.

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Remember in 60 is adopted 5-2 moving on to a minute 61. The customer made months.

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Math I move amendment 61 to the you do. Second, okay, let me get there all right.

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This amendment is a version of an amendment that the work- that's the.

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Environmental commission requested, with the aim of allowing increased densities.

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And it is an amendment affecting the as-yet unmapped, our four district and my.

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Goal is to allow three-story buildings in this district. Currently, the maximum.

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Height is 35, and I would like to increase it to 40 feet so that.

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Three-Story buildings can be built in that as yet unmapped district. I think.

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We've spent a lot of time talking about.

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Greater densities and the reasons for having some greater density in the city.

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Of bloomington, this I want to emphasize is not in our three, which is what.

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Currently is the equivalent to our core neighborhoods. This is in a more dense.

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District and we need more housing, we need housing that is close to where.

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People need to go both for eventually driving down the price and for.

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Environmental reasons so that we can encourage, translate.

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And less single occupancy vehicle use, so this seeks to get to that greater.

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Density by allowing three stories, that's it! Thank you. We'll go to staff enough.

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Staff is fine with this amendment I think originally, the height was.

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Consistent with our three district, and that was why the lot standards and other.

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Standards for this are smaller, so I think there was some concern about.

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Height, you know again, we do have a lot of discussion about height in context.

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We're trying to be sensitive to that again.

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Staff is fine. With this change. I do again want to point out that if this.

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Passes we'll need to make a comparable reference change to table 4-2 and a.

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Technical amendment following this be happy to answer any additional questions.

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Thank you we'll go to questions now from counsel, seeing no questions we'll go to.

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The public on a minute, 61c, no public, comment back to council for final.

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Comment or a recommendation, I just wanted to point out that I'm sorry I.

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Should be recognized by the chair, councilman, peanuts, smith. Pardon me. I.

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Think that was it. Last week we talked about the height standards for r1 and r2.

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And they are 40 feet, so I don't really understand why this one was less than.

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Than those more suburban districts, thank you. Thank you further comment.

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Recommendation questions are called in second at anima and 61. Will the clerk.

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Please call the roll.

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Yes, yes, granger, yes, piedmont! Smith! Yes,.

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Ruff, yes, sandburg. Yes,.

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Wait did we have sam soon we did okay, sorry, thank you.

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So that is adopted 661 s adopted six to zero. Alright, I move amendment 63. This.

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Was brought to my attention and requested by bloomington architect, barry.

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Clapper and was vetted by staff. It seeks to fill a need in certain housing types.

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Particularly ranches, where heretofore we've had prohibitions against adding.

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Porches and this allows for a small six foot wide porch that would that would.

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Accommodate the the residents and it's oftentimes favored because request it.

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Because I think typically, ranches have a front door that opens into the living.

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Room so they would like to have some kind of transition, and so now I'll go to.

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Staff to see if they have anything further to add and I'd like to actually.

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Perhaps a go to miss clapper first, because she can describe this better.

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Than and I did from direct experience good evening, barry clapper from spoon.

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Point architects and thank you councilman roland for bringing us.

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Forward the current code has been frustrating for a number of years.

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Because of this prohibition on being able to do any front yard.

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Additions of any size or type in established neighborhoods the way.

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Setbacks were defined if, if you had neighbors to either side, you were.

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Limited you really couldn't go any more forward and it's really not very.

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Difficult, it's not very easy to get a variance of this nature because you have.

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To prove a to show a practical difficulty, that's related to a peculiar.

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Aspect of your actual lot- and that's not always so easy to do so. I had learned.

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That in drafting this new version of the you do, part of that has gone away and.

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The way that setbacks are now defined has to do with a change in the language.

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And before, if you were in an existing neighborhood, the the the greatest.

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Distance was what what set the set back and now that language has been flipped.

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To allow either the 15 foot or the smaller difference be that that setback.

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Line so it gives you some more flexibility, so it was really happy to.

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See that I still think that there's a place for this small change to allow.

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People, flexibility and the way that I would see it is there are lots of places.

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Where people don't realize they think they have a huge front, you they have a.

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Huge front yard, and they don't realize where the property line is often the.

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Property line is not aligned with the back of a sidewalk or the front of the.

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Street and actually we've had a number of clients who come in and they want to.

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Do a very modest front yard addition and they simply don't have that much space.

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To work with, and so when you're thinking of an edition of this nature, it's a you.

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Know a reasonable investment, your property and sometimes having the.

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Ability to make things in extra foot or two is really something that becomes a.

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Necessity- and it's not worth doing if you can't have at least you know a.

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Decent room to walk in on so sort of in in terms of how this is evolved, I still.

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Think that there's a place for this modest, modest amendment that would align.

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It with other types of exceptions that are that are allowed that are authorized.

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That's right, thank you, miss kilometer. We may call on.

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You if there are questions, because I I probably won't be able to answer them.

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Particularly so we'll go to staff, do you would you like to comment on the.

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Amendment, I guess stef's is supportive of this. There are some situations.

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Particularly in the r2 district, as miss clapper said that have been challenging.

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To deal with some modest additions on houses on the front of their houses,.

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Typically front entry ways, so this amendment would address those still.

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Address our concerns for making sure there's appropriate setbacks. I think.

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Looking back at you know, maybe the nature of why the standard was set. Some.

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Of the districts have a bill to line and there's a 15-foot generally when you.

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Talk to our utility providers oftentimes, they want to make sure there's enough.

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There's any permanent structure in that clear zone when they're doing utility.

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Work and they get heavy equipment in there. Yes, they are on your property. You.

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Need permission from it that, but when you start having permanent structures.

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That become significantly more challenging to deal with so that's kind.

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Of the nature where that kind of got built in, but I think with the changes in.

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The current you do as miss clapper detailed on how we define setbacks and.

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With this change here, I think against staff is supportive of that and what it.

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Achieved so be happy to answer any additional questions.

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Thank you before we go to questions, maybe it's appropriate to offer an.

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Amendment because councilmember piedmont smith would like to amend this amendment.

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I would like to offer a friendly amendment to add the r ii and the r1.

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Zoning districts in this change because they may also have this type of.

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Ranch-Style house with no front entry where people might also want to make.

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This kind of addition, okay, so this is the amendment to the amendment and I.

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Welcome it, I'm glad that council, member.

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Pmsmith2005 with those districts again, I think when particularly the r3, when you.

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Have that build to line that would create some challenges. There is some language in there. That indicates. You obviously can't encroach on you know.

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Private property but again we're supportive of these additional districts.

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Okay, so we'll go to questions for the amendment on the amendment. Is there any.

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Seeing none we'll go to the public for the amendment on the amendment. Okay, it's.

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Agreeable to everyone, I think, we're back to council for maybe a recommendation.

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It's called a question on the amendment to the amendment. Okay,.

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Questions can call them second end with a clerk. Please call the roll on the.

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Amendment to amendment 63, councilmember, granger.

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Yes, rollo! Yes, since yes, sandburg, yes, yes, few months, minh! Yes, thank you.

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So the amendment to amendment 63 has adopted zero so back to the amendment as.

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Amended and we're into questions, if you have questions for miss clapper or staff,.

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Okay, I'm seeing a questions. Is there any public comments on amendment 63 as.

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Amended seeing none we're back to council, I just.

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Wanted to say thank you. It was clapping for catching this because I think this.

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Is really a very, very important, very important thing and I'm sure it gives.

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People a little freedom and and it's gonna be do a lot of good. So thank you.

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Question called, and second it on a member 63 is amended. Will the clerk.

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Please call the roll.

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Yes, piedmont, smith, ruff, yeah sandburg; yes,.

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And since yes, thank you, amendment 63, as amended, is adopted. Six.

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Zero I'd like to move amendment 64 to the you. Do this I'm sponsoring on behalf.

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Of the sustainability commission and it clarifies timeline, and it it essentially.

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Provides transparency for payment in lieu concerning affordable housing and.

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Staff probably can describe it a bit better, so I'll turn it over to staff.

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Thanks count customer rallo. Yes, this has kind of been a consistent theme.

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Throughout the process, both at the planning, commission and a council there.

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Was some general concerns about how the city is going to calculate the payment.

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In lieu fees again, the wave we've structured, the incentives is the payment.

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In lieu is the last option, but it's still an option. We'd like to keep on the.

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Table our position has been from the beginning that we want to get the rules.

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Right before we start getting into the discussion about how we calculate the.

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Fees so plan commission did amend the section of the code to help provide some.

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Additional clarity to what factors could be used and that's where you see parts b.

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I through or I through six or one through six in the bottom. What's being.

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Proposed is to tie this to when the effective date of the you do. We will be.

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Which is something council will need to determine. Staff has been recommending.

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That that be three to six months after the adoption date or taya to when we.

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Adopt the conversion map. Secondly, there's the current: you do has a lot of.

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Administrative material in a lot of that is leaving this draft and staff is producing an.

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Administrative manual and that's where this would live city council currently.

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Reviews and approves the housing development fund, and so there's.

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Reporting already in place for how that money is going to be used, but again we.

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Could detailed that so that's the best place for how this document would live.

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In the future, that's never been an appropriate place to legislate how this.

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Would be reported and calculated and again we support this amendment would be.

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Happy to answer any questions. Thank you. Are there questions on amendment 64.

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You've seen how questions will go to public. No public comments will go to.

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Council for any second chance of questions or comments. Oh counselor simps.

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Mr. robinson, I'm sorry, that's okay gives you more clearly it what we're.

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Talking about is calculating an amount, and is there a calculation rate based on.

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These six, that we I mean, do they all carry yeah, there's your weight or.

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Multiple waiter and and what it was to figure out. How is that determined? I.

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Guess so so that's the question is: how is that formula established? As you know,.

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Currently right now everything's a negotiated process and we're trying to.

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Get away from a negotiated process, the incentives will be voluntary in the game.

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The way this the affordable housing incentives are structured that on-site.

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Is the first priority new your site are close by a second and the third option.

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Would be a payment in lieu of providing those on-site, affordable housing units.

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There's two tiers to affordability, so we have you know below 120 or I guess above.

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100 or 80 percent of ami annual median income. So when you start getting down to.

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That deeper tier, that's the tier 2. Instead of takes a little bit more.

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Subsidies so there's a little bit of consideration and how you would.

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Calculate those depending on to your 1 and tier tunes, so those are some of the things that are factored into. The annual rates of income hud comes out with their.

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Reports annually there's other factors that go into that if utilities and other.

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Things are considered, so those things need to be somewhat fluid from year to.

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Year, we wouldn't want to be specifically codified that you know the payment in.

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Lieu prices x dollars per square foot or what-have-you.

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That sort of thing would be put into the administrative manual that people could.

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Clearly see how it's calculated understand what those formulas are: okay,.

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So when a proposal is brought to city council, will it be kind of itemized and.

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Say this was a value of each of those items and then this is the amount. Yes.

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Does that mean way, it'll come to us, that's our intent that it would be very.

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Easy for people to understand how those rates are calculated. Okay, thank you.

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My councilmember piedmont smith. Yes, so um this amendment does not specify which.

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Body will adopt the administrative procedures. Mr. robinson, is it your.

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Understanding that this will be done by staff or by the planning, commission or.

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By whom some of the administrative procedures are application forms and.

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What-Have-You one of the things that the city is considering was what's the appropriate board to review and adopt those.

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Procedures plan commission is probably not the best fit when you're looking at.

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Some of the things that we're considering so there has been discussion.

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About what's the appropriate body that would at least review and advise staff.

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On doing that, and that's something that we would specify here but we've had our.

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Legal team look at what the duties and responsibilities our various boards and.

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Commissions defined, which is the most appropriate.

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Generally speaking, the administrative manual again as reflecting the.

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Administrative functions of planning, so a lot of that stuff is permits and.

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Applications and those things that shouldn't live in the you do we would.

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Specify what that process is, and if there's an adoption, it would say you.

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Know, there's this board or that group would make recommendations and opt those.

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Rules and that's what we specified an administrative manual and again we it.

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Would show or that that process of how it's done so is it? Will it be a public.

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Body that adopts these.

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Procedures for calculating collecting accounting foreign spending payments in.

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Lieu, I think, adopting the actual procedures or adopting the.

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Administrative manual, administrative manual is not legislated and more.

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Document and adopted document, it's just a manual describing what the steps are.

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Our process to administer the you do so it would specify which board or.

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Commission is responsible for reviewing and making those recommendations or.

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Adopting that calculation, we're still determining which is the appropriate.

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City board to do that function and that would be specified in an administrative.

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Manual, for example, if it were the plan commission, it would say the plan.

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Commission has ability to review and adopt the calculations, and we would.

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Specify what those are and then we would report what that is in the.

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Administrative manual, but again we don't believe that the plan commission is the.

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Appropriate body to review and adopt the payment and lu calculations? Okay, I guess.

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Let me rephrase that so is what they're beans, so, okay, so you're gonna comp with.

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The administrative manual, you know your staff and legal and economic seem to.

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Build develop and we'll talk and come up with a way to do this is, is that then,.

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Going to be approved either in general or on a case-by-case basis, by a public.

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Body, yes again, I think it would be, I mean our intent. Is we don't want it to.

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Be this vague thing that changes daily or weekly but at the same time we don't.

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Want to make it so rigid that we have to be go legislatively deal with.

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Changing the calculations so we're looking for the appropriate public body.

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To review approve to whatever you want to call it, there is.

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A vetting happening, so people understand how those rates and methods are.

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Calculated and then we can administer those rates and methods per se. Our.

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Concern is that we wanted to be able to reflect when those annual reports come.

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Out from hud or other places which don't always align with end of the year or.

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What have you or if the economy, drastically changes or other information.

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Comes we want to be fairly quick and responsive to be able to adjust those.

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Rates as needed, but yes, our intent, is to spell it out and have opportunity for.

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Public to review and input and vetting okay. Thank you so much.

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Council member sandberg from the comprehensive plan is the formation of a.

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Housing, commission and that's also a recommendation from the affordable.

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Living commission report is that something that's in the works that would.

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Be a body that would review some of this or we, strictly speaking, a department.

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Like you know, hand, department, plan commission as part of the you, do, I'm not.

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Aware of that conversation I do know, I mean I didn't mean the you do, I'm in the.

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Comp plan the comprehensive plan does reference the possibility of creating.

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Other reviews and commissions, and obviously that is something that the.

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Administration is evaluating and considering the city currently has lots.

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Of boards and commissions- and we want to make sure we're using them appropriately.

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Or trying to leverage their their value and how we can but yeah absolutely that.

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Could be something that can, because I think you know and in respect to.

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Answering the public's concern about the transparency of all this, and now these.

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Calculations are come to, I think, having a housing commission that is citizen.

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Staffed similar to our environmental commission that weighs in quite heavily.

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With respect to projects that come before the planning commission again, I'm.

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Just questioning what the administration's plan is for, including a.

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Little bit more of public process that would take away some.

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Of the onus on this is not a transparent process, it's it's all too negotiated.

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Behind closed doors, I'm I'm just kind of asking what, if any discussion has there.

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Been about how else we can expand the bodies that review this again, the intent.

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Is yes, it will be vetted publicly and there will be an opportunity to do that.

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We're just trying to find the appropriate board and commission you.

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Know, as you know, if we were to create a new board and commission, that would adds.

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Additional time and consideration, you know we recently council recently.

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Created the parking commission which took a few years to to undergo you know.

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Our focus right now is looking at the resources we have with the existing.

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Boards and commissions before we start looking at creating a new one, but that's.

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That's our preference is looking at what we have right now and in the future. If.

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We, if there's the desire to create a new board and commission and that's.

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Something that we can obviously make that change. Thank you further questions.

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An amendment 64 someone liked to call a question.

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Yes, you were in comments, customer granger they thank you. Mr. president,.

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Yeah, I just want to say that I am going to be passing on this because I at the.

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Core but I do not like payment in lieu and I don't like the concept I'd rather.

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See our housing mixed and diverse, rather than that's what I would rather see so I.

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Will be passing on this amendment? Thank you. Yes, I want to thank.

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Councilmember all over for bringing this forward, I'm also not a big fan of.

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Payment in lieu since I sponsored the amendment to eliminate that option for.

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Pew ds, but we do have it as an option, and given that we do, I think we need to.

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Do everything we can to make the process public to make the guidelines very clear.

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So that there can be no doubt that we are applying the guidelines fairly and.

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Not treating any developer or proposal differently when it comes to payment in.

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Lieu and I'm very pleased that, as soon as we pass the studio, we can get rid of.

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This perception that there has been a pay-to-play game going on the last few.

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Years, I think it's a false perception, but I think that with this new you do we.

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Will have much clearer rules and italy yeah proposals for development will.

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Either meet our rules or they will not meet our rules and there will no longer.

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Be this a negotiation every time a pud comes forward or a new development plan.

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Comes forward so I think that's a very positive thing.

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This amendment is, is a small part of that. Thank you.

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Sims or sander sandberg, okay, thank you. I am in favor of any mechanism possible in.

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Our toolkit to be able to provide the funding for incentives, innovations with.

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Respect to housing, particularly affordable housing, which does require.

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Subsidy there's no two ways about it. That's the way we get it. So I'm not.

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Adverse to the payment in lieu process per se, I am very concerned, however, about.

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The transparency and the public perception and- and I think, the more we.

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Can codify and and put in writing the formulas and have additional citizen.

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Eyes on the process, I think that will go a long way toward alleviating many of.

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The concerns that certainly have developed over this, but in terms of.

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Being able to support our opportunities to get the funding that we need, I'm.

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Absolutely in favor of it I'm not going to pass or vote against it, although I.

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Still do have concerns about how it's going to be written and made clear as to.

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How these negotiations are approached and what kind of mechanisms are.

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Discussed with the various developers who come forward and choose this.

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Voluntarily as their option, thank you. Thank you. Other comment comes from.

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Simpson, thank you. I agree with councilmember sandberg. This is just.

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Another tool in our toolbox- and I think it's important and and I do support the.

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Payment in lieu, mainly because of the parameters that have been said with some.

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Some some of the state zoning laws, so it's just another tool for us to to help.

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With the housing situation, I am looking forward to finding out more about the.

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Calculation rates and how all that works out. I know.

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I know we don't have an answer now, but for an example. If, but we were asking a.

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Developer to provide 50%, affordable housing on that project and then that's.

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Kind of where I take it, the negotiation starts. So what is that 15% of not.

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Providing what is that worth from a calculation rate and then what will we.

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Do with the money that we got there and how many of these things will add up to.

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The total that we could use to affordable housing so I'm I guess, I'm.

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Just talking, I know we don't have an answer for that tonight, but I think.

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Moving forward that will increase transparency and get us further away.

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From the perception of backdoor deals and that sort of stuff, so that's one of.

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The things I'll be looking for, and so we can compare a project and that sort of.

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Thing so thank you. Thank you, councilmember sims, any other.

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Comment done, second, questions been calling. Second, I don't amendment 64 with.

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A clerk, please call the roll councilmember roth. Yes,.

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Iman smith- yes, granger, pass rather, yes,.

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Since yes, sandburg, yes, thank you, amendment 64 is adopted 5:01 moving on.

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To amendment 9r, it's been revised and returned to us and it is sponsored by.

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Councilmember boland would someone like to introduce it. This is on behalf of.

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Staff, our to the you do. Second, I will not present it though, and ask the staff.

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To present, I rea will turn it over to staff. Mr. robinson, yes,.

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Based on previous discussions from council, as you recall, this amendment was.

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Previously discussed as a staff supported amendment in regards to.

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Cooperative housing during the deliberations, the one housing provider.

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Bloomington cooperative living did provide some testimony and they had some.

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Concerns based on our observation of council's interest. There was a desire to.

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Have staff take another look at it to make cooperative housing more permissive.

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In the community to make it easier for these uses, one of the things that staff.

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Did when we reevaluate 'add, the original proposal was looking at the barriers of.

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Where some of the properties that bloomington cooperative living is.

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Looking at and how those arrangements are made, we believe that what we have.

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Proposed does address those concerns so that cooperative living would be. Would.

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Meet be more permissive throughout the community would be easier for those.

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Entities to incorporate cooperative living arrangements so again, what's.

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Being proposed is pretty much the same as the original.

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Amendment there would be use specific standards that are listed in before you.

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About what cooperative housing is that would live outside of table 3-1? If you.

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Recall it just provides a blanket coverage of what cooperative housing is.

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And where they're allowed and how it would be applied in the use specific.

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State table they gave an example. There's a defined word about adding a definition.

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Of cooperative housing, we kept the definition largely the same, but added a.

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Requirement that they are registered with the indiana state secretary of.

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State again, that's just to validate that they are indeed a corporation to give us.

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A little bit more enforcement embedding when we're checking that and then.

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Finally, the last thing that we recommend changing is the definition of family one.

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Of the barriers that was discussed was some of these structures are had many.

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Bedrooms, and so even though we made the condition or the cooperative living.

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Living permitted in any zoning district that had residential use as a permitted.

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Use or conditional and one of the barriers was the number of bedrooms and.

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Possibly the number of cooking units and the definition and how many people could.

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Live there, we believe, by changing the definition of family, to include a new.

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Group who are shareholders within the same cooperative living corporation that.

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Owns a facility that meets the definition of cooperative housing that.

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No more than two adults per bedroom would occupy that structure, so we.

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Believe with this change that would address the concerns that were.

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Previously discussed and again we'd be happy to answer any additional questions.

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But that I think, would satisfy the concerns that we heard and in the desire.

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Of counsel, to make cooperative healthy living.

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Permissive that we're allowed, if you recall, we reckon.

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Getting rid of the use variance process which was recently adopted, that's been.

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The way we've been dealing with these in the past, so if no action is taken on.

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This and there there really isn't a viable option that I understand for.

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Allowing cooperative housing moving forward. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. robinson.

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Questions from council.

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Councilmember piedmont, smith. Yes, so the change in the definition adds that it.

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Must be a cooperative corporation registered with the indiana secretary of.

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State so does is bloomington cooperative.

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Living currently registered cooperative corporation broker's city attorney for.

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The city, yes, they are registered with the indiana secretary of state, currently.

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Okay, and- and that is just to clarify- that's what we would call a pro forma.

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Requirement are just sort of a recitation of a requirement that was already implied in the prior definition, but we wanted to make it explicit so.

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That it's clear what we meant for members of the public who might look at.

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This definition, okay, thank you. Okay, further questions about amendments a9r.

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Say none will go to the public.

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You may ask a rhetorical question and we will try to answer it not directly, but.

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When we come back to comment or you make comments and please state your name, my.

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Name is brady, he berlin and I'm staff at bloomington cooperative living inc. I do.

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Have one question which I want to give a little bit of background, for which is.

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That the you do draft as it stands, includes us in core neighborhoods and.

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Anywhere again, where the co-operative house generally fits the structure, structural layouts of the area and so on one hand, that's like we're very excited.

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About that, because it means that we will be able to offer cooperative housing and walkable and bikable areas, which is absolutely.

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Huge for us to continue to be able to do that. I do want to bring up one technical.

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Complication or question, and which is that per the existing, you do.

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Documentation, language, the single family homes are recognized by the presence of.

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A single kitchen and we've found over time that approximately one kitchen for.

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Every ten people creates a really cohesive collaborative space for people.

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To live together and work together and again these are often non. You know non.

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Non students, you know in families moving forward, and so we just want to be clear.

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Or we just want to know that moving forward with our next project in the.

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Near west side, neighborhood and and beyond that that the definition of as a.

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As a family, which we generally think is very appropriate, will be still allow us.

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To have multiple kitchens in the same structure, thank you for your comment and.

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Question further public comment.

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See none okay back to council for follow-up questions; councilman ron, smith.

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Could staff please respond to the member of the public her question about having.

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More than one kitchen.

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Yeah we're looking at our notes. One moment please, I do believe we did.

D

Factor that into the original discussion of the original proposal and how it's.

D

Being entitled to a housing unit on the property so again we're trying to allow.

D

That flexibility as a co-op, how the structure of the cooperative housing is.

D

Being used, but we're double checking real quick. You know we looked at it and.

N

Our development services team looked at it as well, and they agree that the.

N

Definition has written, it doesn't include the carve out that is subsection.

N

Six doesn't use the language single housekeeping unit, therefore, wouldn't.

N

Create the concern that bcl is is raising right now. So that's our.

N

Interpretation, so you would allow more than one kitchen. That's correct. Yes, okay,.

G

I was a little concerned because I know that when we talked about a tea hughes.

G

Something that defines an adu is a separate kitchen, and I don't want to.

G

Make them go through the process to get an adu approved? We don't have anybody.

N

Here from the development review team, but our understanding, based on the.

N

Conversations we had with them is that that is, they will not make them, go.

N

Through that process, thank you. Okay. Further questions, second round.

A

Seeing none comment on amendment nine has a revised customer granger. Thank you.

E

Appreciate this going back for further thought, I'm.

E

Particularly excited about this amendment, I do think that it fits a need.

E

Within our community and want to thank staff for the work that they did on this.

A

Council, myrmidon smith. Yes, I want to echo councilmember granger's thanks.

G

Appreciation and just keep in mind that cooperative housing is affordable.

G

Housing and it's often one of the only affordable housing options that is.

G

Actually available in bloomington, so anything we can do to facilitate that. I.

G

Think is a great idea, especially in our.

G

Neighborhoods that are close to services. I think this these well. I would love to.

G

See more of these kind of homes for all age groups, both for affordability and.

G

For being close enough to not have to rely on cars,.

G

Thank you. Thank you. Further comment comes from er sims, appropriate to echo.

H

At three times of my colleagues, I would do that as well, but I really want to.

H

Thank the staff because many of these concerns were raised at our last.

H

Discussion of this along the lines of definition and making sure it fits.

H

Within the zoning and and lastly so that we had a clearer understanding of what.

H

Actually, cooperative meant with regard to ownership with regard to like we.

H

Brought up kitchen space with these sorts of things, so this is much better.

H

Than what we talked about before, and I appreciate all the hard work like my.

H

Colleagues and thank you very much, okay, any other comments seeing none. Second,.

H

Questions been called and seconded on amendment nine is revised with a clerk.

A

Please call the roll councilmember piedmont smith. Yes,.

C

Stranger? Yes, yes, sims! Yes, yes! Yes! Thank you.

A

Amendment 9 is revised is adopted six to zero. Okay. That concludes amendments on.

A

Our regular agenda for this evening, we will now go to council scheduled, and I.

A

Assume this means that we have nothing to here on thursday. Is that correct.

J

You could make buy motion tonight. First of all, cancel the scheduled meeting for.

J

Thursday december 12th, you then have two more occasions evenings for the.

J

Consideration of the you do next tuesday, it's the 17th and next wednesday. The.

J

18Th, both at 6 o'clock, the 18th, is a wednesday. The 18th is when you usually.

J

Conduct business and do have some business that night so, along with.

J

Canceling, maybe you want it, you can hear me out or have a motion now to cancel.

J

The meeting on the thursday, so would someone like to offer? Okay all in favor,.

A

Of canceling our you do meeting for thursday december 12, say aye.

A

Any opposed that is cancelled. Thank you. The second and third items is when you.

J

Want to meet next to wrap up the you do that could be next tuesday at 6 p.m. or.

J

Next wednesday, at 6 p.m. the third matter is final business. Are there any.

J

Other amendments that you want to bring back or introduce at this time and if so.

J

I'd like to hear you talk about that and then authorize staff to process.

J

Amendments for release this friday, so those are the two outstanding matters so.

J

I don't know if you want to have a sense of how many amendments there are before you talk about what you want to meet next door.

J

The other way around, I think, will anticipate some third round amendments. I.

A

Believe is that just to find technical amendments, but yet some involving.

A

Perhaps flat roofs, customer piedmont, smith, you were interested and.

A

Potentially that subjects, so I think that we will need another meeting.

A

The question is tuesday or wednesday, and and when would they need to be submitted.

A

Then, depending upon to get them out this friday, I think we also have a voland.

J

Amendment on parking I'll speak for a councilmember, vole and.

F

I I think, he's intending to reintroduce one one amendment regarding parking.

F

Maximums that we've been working on, and staff mentioned at this tonight's.

F

Meeting that there are at least two technical amendments that we'll need to.

F

Have to adjust other sections as a result of tonight's amendments, so yeah.

A

Mr. lucas also is there: was there an amendment potentially from come summer.

A

Mr. boehm to revisit fences last indication was, he was not intending to.

J

Introduce or reintroduce amendments, okay, technical amendments, the staff have in.

A

Common mr. lucas already mentioned just a table.

D

4-2 I mean we'll have another opportunity to do some cleanup. We.

D

Sometimes look for consistency of words, but that can we can deal with that later.

D

That's the only one that jumps out at me right right at this time. I see okay.

A

Further comments from the council: councilmember piedmont. Smith. May I ask.

G

Are, um could you remind us what else is on the agenda for next wednesday.

G

Certainly, you you'll have the living wage ordinance and it's the last meeting.

J

For four of the council members and there's usually some sort of.

J

Acknowledgment that could take some time.

J

And that's it, it sounds like we would have time for some amendments.

A

Councilmember kieran smith suggests that we have our you do meeting that evening.

A

On the way on wednesday, since we have a fairly light schedule, yes, so if I can.

J

Phrase that, in terms of emotion, that matches our schedule that we amend the.

J

Schedule to- and this incorporates your motion you made earlier.

J

To strike the meetings on december 12th and 17th and meet at 6:00 p.m. that's 6.

J

P.M. not 6:30 on december wednesday december 18th would someone like to to.

J

Conclude business on the you do and take care of other council business. It's all.

E

Just a regular meeting: how do we? How do we organize that, since we're starting at.

J

6:00 p.m. with the you do is your preference to work through the you do.

J

First and then perhaps hold a regular session after that, I haven't thought.

J

Through that, it's a good, we could do that if you want, it was customary.

A

Piedmont's miss proposals, so I'm gonna throw it to her, give the preference I.

G

Guess I prefer to do the you do first, okay, mr. sherman.

G

I had 630 on my calendar for the 18th. Why are we meeting at 6:00 I'm looking.

J

At the schedule we adopted in in october- and it has 6 p.m. so that's where I'm.

J

Getting it from, if you had gone with the annual schedule, it would have been 6:30.

J

I see, would you like to change that to 6:30 doesn't matter? Okay, maybe I don't.

I

Know six, so I guess we have a motion. That's been.

A

Framed by counsel attorney sherman would someone like to yes to strike meetings.

J

On thursday december 12th, tuesday december 17th and meet on.

J

Wednesday december 18th at 6 p.m. to conclude business at a special session.

J

To conclude, deliberations on the unified development ordinance to be followed by.

J

A regular session facking, ok, it's been moved and seconded and all in favor say.

A

Aye any opposed very good. An ending is in.

A

Sight anything else, mr. sherman, for schedule. No thank you.

J

All right would someone like to move that we recess? Okay, all in favor, say aye.

A

Any opposed we are recessed.