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A
A
A
Present-
and
we
will
start
this
meeting
this
evening-
we
have
one
item
on
our
agenda
and
it.
A
A
Okay,
council,
member
piedmont
smith:
will
you
be
presenting
this
evening.
B
As
co-sponsors
of
this
ordinance,
so
if
you
don't
mind,
I'd
like
to
try
to
share
my
screen.
B
So
we
would
like
to
present
our
proposal
for
community
advisory
on
public
safety.
Commission.
B
B
B
B
Has
been
very
important
in
our
nation
as
a
whole
and
has
come
to
the
forefront
since
the.
B
B
B
Members
themselves
will
lead
and
the
commission
will
go
in
the
direction
that
they
think
is
best.
B
So
many
of
us
or
the
the
three
sponsors
of
the
legislation
had
concerns
about.
B
Public
safety
and
about
how
it
relates
to
the
budget
for
2021
and
so
we'd
really
like
to
get.
B
B
B
To
people
to
apply
who
are
often
marginalized
by
society,
for
example,
black
indigenous.
B
B
Safety
and
how
to
bring
it
about
the
third
point
in
duties
here
is
explore
best.
B
And
then
make
recommendations
on
the
basis
of
their
research
and
data
gathering
and
provide
an.
B
B
B
B
From
the
city
council
office
and
like
I
mentioned
earlier,
there
may
be
community
volunteers.
B
B
B
They
might
go
to
you
know
just
the
mayor's
office
city
government.
It
might
have
to
do
with.
B
B
B
B
Some
other
call
to
the
police,
so
currently
people
only
are
admitted
to
the
stride
center.
B
Through
interaction
with
police,
furthermore,
it
is
not
an
entity
that
will
come
up
with
new.
B
So
we
have
many
roads
and
many
initiatives
in
the
works
that
will
hopefully
lead
us
to
fulfill.
B
So
I'm
going
to
unshare
the
screen
and
we
can
go
back
to
well.
Let
me
if
I
may.
B
Chairman
sims
ask
my
co-sponsors:
council
members,
flaherty
and
rosenberger.
C
Sure
I'm
happy
to
I
think,
council,
member
piedmont
smith
did
a
good
job,
providing
an.
C
Overview
of
the
context
and
I'll
just
I'll
just
briefly
agree
or
summarize
that
obviously
we've.
C
All
been
engaging
with
these
topics
a
lot
not
just
over
time,
but
certainly
in
the
last.
C
Pilot
policy,
reforms
and
different
approaches.
A
lot
of
what
we
heard
and
talked
about
was.
C
That
you
know
we
need
time.
We
need
to
seriously
study
the
questions
at
hand
and
look
at
them.
C
C
That,
including
the
petition
that
was
read
into
the
record
at
the
end
of
the
budget
hearings.
C
C
A
commission
this
this
commission
was
actually
named
because
community
members
had
pitched
the.
C
C
A
Thank
you,
councilmember
rosa
barger
hi,
thanks
very
much,
my
for
some
reason,
my
notes
just
shut.
D
D
Everything,
but
I
wanted
to
reiterate
that
we
see
this
as
a
starting
point
of
gathering
data
and.
D
D
D
Like
personal
experiences
right,
but
I
think
we
are
just
missing
out
on
voices
and.
D
D
Vision
behind
me
being
involved
and
looking
forward
to
having
a
discussion
tonight
and.
D
A
E
Here
from
the
city
of
bloomington
who's,
whose
responsibility
it
is
from
an
executive
function
to.
E
E
E
A
Administration
was
it
invited
due
to
our
sponsors
being
present,
so
I
don't
see
anyone.
E
E
Impressions,
that's
all
I'm
asking
for
thank
you
before
we
go
there.
Councilmember
piedmont,
smith,.
B
B
And
I
can't
I'm
not,
I
mean
I
can't
speak
for
them,
but
the
mayor,
it
was
really
just
a
short.
B
Conversation
to
give
him
a
heads
up
about
it
since
we're
not
asking
his
staff
to
take
time.
B
B
B
And
we
had
two
meetings
with
beverly
calendar
anderson
and
the
second
one
did
have.
B
Two
members
of
the
divided
community
project
team
as
well,
so
we
did
have
a
discussion.
B
With
them-
and
you
know,
they
may
interpret
it
differently.
We
we
came
out
of
the
meeting
thinking.
B
That
this
would
was
still
a
valuable
tool
for
the
city
because
it
was
not
replicating.
B
Something
that
was
already
in
the
works
of
course,
I'm
sure
you
know
you'll
hear
from
them.
A
Yeah
something
based
on
what
councilmember
sandberg
said:
yes,
both
beverly
calendar
anderson.
F
I
think
had
indicated
she
may
have
a
comment
and
a
mcquee
baris
is
also
here,
and
I
didn't.
F
Realize
she
was
not
able
to
unmute
herself
and
she
may
have
wanted
the
comment
as
well,
but
I
do.
F
See
beverly
calder
anderson
has
her
as
her
hand
up,
so
she
should
be
able
to
unmute
herself.
A
F
E
Which
who
I
do
want
to
hear
from,
I
am
a
member
of
the
stride
coalition
and
they
just
recently.
E
E
Health
referral
so
again,
this
is
a
relatively
new
addition
to
our
public
safety
offerings
here.
E
Is
really
making
some
inroads
into
some
of
the
identified
communities
that
we
have.
A
G
G
Came
to
this
to
listen
and
not
to
speak,
but
because
councilmember
sandberg
asked
the
question.
G
G
G
We
can
hear
the
better
in
in
making
decisions.
We
are
working
on
the
future
of
policing.
G
We
are
looking
specifically
at
policing,
but
of
course
that
looks
at
all
different
types
of.
G
Methodologies
of
where
policing
is
going,
and
so
I
would
just
say
that.
G
G
Models
around
the
country
that
people
will
be
looking
at
and
so
we're
not
going
to
be
limited.
G
Very
innovative
and
very
creative
and
how
and
how
we
respond
to
community
needs
and
so.
G
G
G
Community
members
that
have
shown
an
interest-
I
my
only
the
only.
G
Caution
or
or
or
anxiety
that
that
I
would
really
want
to
put
out
there
just
you
know.
G
The
the
community
is
looking
at
the
city
as
the
city.
They.
G
They're
signing
up
for,
but
also
what
authority
they
have
and
what
and
who
they're
accountable
to.
G
And
so
that
is
one
like.
I
said
one
one
anxiety
that
I
have
about
having.
G
Too
many
different
entities
but,
but
you
know,
council,
member
pete,
my
smith
is
right.
We
have
met.
G
And
some
other
community
members
that
worked
on
this
commission
and
and
I
think
at
the
end
of
the.
G
G
G
But
that's
how
I
feel
about
that.
Thank
you
and
yes,
I
do
because
I
let
me
pose
a
question
for
you.
E
Requires
a
little
bit
of
discipline
and
a
little
bit
of
organization
here.
Would
a
group
like.
E
This
and
I
absolutely
agree
that,
having
voices
that
are
not
heard
from
have
an
opportunity.
E
E
G
I
mean,
I
think
the
focus
group
concept
is
a
good
one.
If
you
remember
some
things,
we
did
with
the.
G
Worked
on
two
or
three
years
ago,
where
we
we
started
with
several
different.
G
But
I
thought
very,
very
effective.
It
actually
went
into
a
task
force,
but
it
was
very
effective.
G
To
clergy-
and
we
I
mean,
we
talked
to
everybody
involved
and
so
where
that
wasn't
necessarily.
G
G
That
was
something
that
was
put
together
by
sea
jam
for
us,
and
I
and
I
thought
that
that
was.
G
G
Group,
that's
putting
it
together.
That's
their
goal
to
have
these
ongoing
conversations
and.
G
Can
be,
but
you
know
I
I
think
that
you
know
for
the
start,
getting
it
through
some
kind
of
focus.
G
E
Sure,
yes,
thank
you.
I
as
one
of
the
co-sponsors,
I
would.
B
Reason
is
that
I
feel
a
commission
is
really
a
seat
at
the
table
and
a
focus
group
is
just.
B
B
B
E
Correctly,
it
will
also
involve
the
county
and
indiana
university.
Is
that
correct
there'll
be.
G
It's
correct
that
we
have
invited
the
county
and
iup
the
indiana
university
police
department
or.
G
G
As
possible
to
the
table
so
that
we're
all
you
know,
understanding
things
in
the
same
way.
G
G
G
A
County
law
enforcement
was
left
out
of
that
invitation
for
the
task
force
of
future
policing.
A
A
Yes,
councilmember
sandberg,
I
do
believe,
has
talked
about
or
asked
about
a
perspective.
A
There's
other
information
you'd
like
to
share
from
a
different
perspective.
I
think
it
would
be.
A
H
H
H
I
wanted
to
share
is,
of
course,
we
all
on
the
board.
We
have
our
own
different
perspectives
and.
H
Us
to
get
information
from
various
communities
so
that
we
can
hear
what's
going
on
and
know.
H
What's
going
on
and
have
those
conversations
I
wanted
to
say
something
as
it
relates
to.
H
H
Join
our
table
and
that's
what
I
would
suggest
as
what
the
additional
initiatives
are.
H
H
Yes,
okay,
I
think
that
would
be
I'm
going
to
ask
that
be
directed
to
public
comment.
E
What
you
do
accomplish
with
respect
to
your
own
outreach,
as
you
are
weighing
and
evaluating
what.
E
Is
happening
in
the
city
of
bloomington,
with
within
all
of
the
safety
officers
that
we
hire.
H
Relates
so
I
getting
getting
feedback
from
the
community
specifically
in
the
black
community.
H
E
Have
any
further
opinion
about
the
addition
of
a
brand
new
commission?
Would
that
be.
E
H
H
Additional
lived
experiences
is
definitely
important
to
is
to
have
to
hear
what's
going.
H
H
A
A
You're,
muted,
gosh
darn
it
sorry,
I
just
noticed:
miss
calendar
anderson
had
her
hand.
G
I
Right
there
with
you,
thank
you
thank
you
to
the
sponsors.
A
C
Yes,
and
no,
I
think
in
indiana,
because
the
board
of
public
safety
is
a
creation
of
state.
C
Statute,
that
is
consists
of
appointments
solely
from
the
mayor's
office.
There
are.
C
Other
communities
that
have
been
and
are
looking
at
sort
of
council
based
alternatives
in
the.
C
C
Have
their
their
own
input
from
community
by
creating
structures
or
mechanisms
to
hear
from
the.
C
That
is
not
about
public
safety,
it
is
about
policing,
whereas
I
think,
as
councilmember.
C
Phil
smith
has
emphasized
here.
I
think
you
know
we're
looking
at
with
this
proposal
a
much.
C
Members
emails
public
comments
again:
petitions
from
the
community
that
have
asked
for.
C
For
this,
or
something
like
this,
so
that's
kind
of
where
the
the
scope
I.
I
C
C
Have
various
task
forces
and
commissions
and
entities
looking
at
broader
conceptions
of
public.
C
C
In
some
ways,
so
thanks
and
I
realized
the
broadness
of
this
question,
but
but
I
I'm.
I
I
And
this
group
has
been
a
success.
The
creation
of
this
group
has
been
a
success.
A
Go
ahead,
councilman
smith!
Well,
I
think
that
more
people
would
feel
safe
in
bloomington.
B
To
do
that,
outreach
and
you
know
to
do
initially
when
they
first
get
together
and
then
to
do.
B
It
again
in
one
or
two
years
and
if
they
get
the
feedback
they
get,
is
that
you
know
people
are.
B
I'll
weigh
in
on
that
I
I
think
it
might
be
useful
actually
to
pull
up
the
slide.
That
is.
D
That's
one
idea,
but
I
would
have
to
my
slides,
are
buried
under
here
I'll
just.
I
Measure
view
you
know
and
document
viewpoints
brought
forward,
but
I'm
wondering
I
think.
I
I
B
So
that
would
be
one
of
their
duties
but
how
they
enact
that
would
be
up
to
them.
You
know
if.
B
B
I'm
going
to
tell
my
story
on
youtube
whatever,
and,
and
so
I
think
it's
really
hard
to
say.
B
B
I
I
think
that's
reflected,
can
I
keep
going
or
no
do
you
do?
You
need
something
actually.
A
No
we'll
keep
switching
here
just
keep
keep
that
thought.
I
think
I'll
just
go
next.
A
A
C
And-
and
we
probably
all
have
our
own
thoughts
and
views
on
this
at
some
extent,.
C
And
my
reading
of
the
I'll
mention
the
future
of
policing
task
force
and.
C
Something
we
should
be
studying
and
looking
at
so,
for
instance,
non-police
crisis
response
teams.
C
Safe
or
not,
secure
and
and
that
might
go
to
other
aspects
of.
C
C
Few
examples
of
when
I
say
broader
scope,
that's
what
I
mean
by
things
that
are
outside
of
policing.
C
In
many
cases
of
of
gaps
that
exist,
so
that's
just
some,
but
I'm
sure
there
are
many
more.
I.
C
Don't
know
if
other
council
members
co-sponsors
of
the
legislation
would
like
to
weigh
in.
D
D
D
D
A
Thank
you
I'll
have
another
question
that
line
along
those
lines
here
in
a
second,
but
one
thing.
A
I
also
want
to
know
if
I
may
one
more
time,
it
was
just
stated
that
we
don't
know
what
form.
A
Caps
will
take-
and
I
was
asking
I'll
ask
this
question
in
order
to
measure
it
and
evaluate
it.
A
A
We
quote
unquote
actually
now
know
what
form
it
could
be.
Doesn't
that
seem
more
prudent
than.
A
B
B
B
E
is
the
educational
and
then
point
f
is
the
the
reporting.
So
to
me
it
seems
like.
B
B
Think
we
do
need
a
longer
term
body
than
what
a
task
force
or
a
focus
group
would.
B
Would
be,
but
I'm
happy
to
that,
to
have
my
colleagues
follow
up
on
that
as
well.
A
Well,
I
was
going
to
say
thank
you
part
of
what
I
was
getting
at
was
tagging
on
to.
D
Bit
on
that
as
well,
it
is
just
a
reiteration,
but
I
think
it
is
important
to
say
again
that.
D
D
D
D
D
This
is
an
issue
that
isn't
going
away
and
it's
going
to
continue
to
be
molded
right
by
just.
I
I
know
I
understand
what
perceptions
are.
I
want
to
make
sure
I
understand
correctly
what.
I
I
just
hadn't
seen
that
word
yeah.
No,
I
think
it's
a
good
question
and
like
councilmember.
B
B
Getting
at
I,
I
think
that
the
preferences
is
is
more
about.
You
know,
how
do
you
feel
comfortable.
B
You
know
if,
if
I
have,
if
somebody
is
walking
through
my
yard
and
making
me
uncomfortable.
B
C
I'm
not
sure
if
I
can
but
like
I've
had
similar
thoughts.
I'm
trying
to
think
of.
C
You
know
some
of
the
community
conversations
I've
had
and,
for
instance,
councilmember.
C
People,
piedmont
smith
and
I
met
with
the
homeless
coalition,
which
I
think
you
may.
C
Have
as
well,
customers
gambler
some
some
weeks
ago
and
and
spoke
with
a
few
folks.
C
Who
are
currently
experiencing
homelessness
in
our
town,
about
their
interactions
with
downtown.
C
Resource
officers
and
how
they
feel
about
the
dros
in
in
their
their
function
kind
of
within.
C
Their
community-
and
I
think
things
like
that-
are
also
folks
who
have,
for
instance,
worked
with.
C
C
Like
different
people
based
on
lived
experience
and
demographics
and
and
other
things
are
going
to.
C
C
And
I
I
think,
gathering
information
on
that
type
of
thing
is,
is
what
I
see
as
preferences
like.
C
Has
to
do
with
like
how
people
feel
safe
and
and
if
there's,
multiple
ways
of
achieving.
C
An
outcome:
what
is
what
is
the
way
that
certain
groups
or
individuals
prefer.
D
D
D
A
You
I'm
sorry
further
questions.
Yes,
ma'am,
okay,
what
I'm
I'm
thinking
back
to
something
miss.
I
Calendar
anderson
said
that
struck
me
and
while
I
know
that
as
city
council,
we
only
have.
I
I
Is
particularly
interesting
to
me,
but
I
was
wondering
if
you
have
thoughts
on
that.
B
B
B
Caps,
commission
is
formed,
will
impact
the
county
and
other
law
enforcement
agencies,
so
at.
B
I
B
Know
we,
those
collaborations
could
result,
but
it's
I'm
not
sure,
I'm
not
sure
what
how
we
would.
B
B
I
do
so
I'm
good
for
now.
I've
taken
up
a
lot
of
time,
so,
okay
and
councilman
sandberg,
if
you.
A
Have
any
just
stick
your
hand
up
and
I'll
try
to
get
you
there.
We
haven't
heard
from
ron
this.
A
I
don't
I'd
have
to
check
with
mr
lucas,
I'm
sure
he's
more
than
welcome,
but
not
being
a
sponsor.
A
A
Correctly
parliamentarian
wise,
I
know
what
at
least
ronnie
and
councilmember
volun
are
both
in.
F
Attendance-
and
I
I
think
you've
got
the
right
instinct-
that
discussion
should
be
limited
to.
F
Those
on
the
committee
and
the
sponsors
I
I
did
want
to
note
maquiva
reese's.
I
made
her
a.
A
A
Standpoint
is
to
maybe
include
some
bloomington
law
enforcement,
not
necessarily
police
officers.
A
A
A
Yes,
this
is
to
the
sponsor
council
member
pete
mossman
yeah.
I
think
that
we
as
I
started.
B
That
we
don't
usually
hear-
and
I
think
that,
having
a
member
of
law
enforcement
even
if
it's.
B
I'd
like
to
just
also
since
ms
reese
brought
this
up,
and
I.
B
I
think
you
know
she.
She
used
an
analogy
which
is
very
apt
in
that
people,
black
indigenous.
B
B
B
B
And
it
is
creating
a
venue
for
those
voices
to
be
heard.
So
that's
why
I'm
still
pursuing
it,
but.
B
Question
councilmember
sims.
I
I
just
feel
like
we're
not
going
to
hear
the
whole
truth
and
the.
B
Whole
range
of
opinion
that
we
need
to
hear
if
we
include
law
enforcement
on
the
commission.
B
A
E
With
this,
in
that,
I
would
feel
much
better
if
it
was
going
to
start
as
a
task
force
or
a
focus.
E
E
E
E
E
Feeling
marginalized
and
that's
the
word
that's
been
used
here-
feel
safe
around
the
individuals.
E
E
B
E
E
E
B
So
I
think
that
power
dynamic
is
the
reason
why
it
would
not
it
would.
It
would
prevent.
B
Anderson
and
the
mayor's
administration
are
developing
a
task
force
on
the
future
of
policing.
D
A
One
of
the
things
that
I'm
not-
and
I
want
to
thank
you
all-
that
you
did
take
a
lot
of
work.
A
A
With
community
members,
as
it
could
have
been
so
thanks
for
acknowledging
that.
A
Commission
so
immediately
and
it'll
function
if
well,
if
it
is,
but
I
guess
my
question
is:
is.
C
C
Housed
under
something
or
a
focus
group
created
by
the
city
council,
or
could
you
clarify
if
that's.
A
Caps,
commission
will
be-
and
I
could
that's
just
my
viewpoint,
but
I'm
thinking
the
the
main.
A
Immediately
so
I'm
wondering,
is
there
anything
else
commission
can
do?
Are
you
expected
to
do.
A
Address
that
I'll
I'll
start
enough,
others
are
welcome
to
weigh
in
too
you
sort
of
mean
and.
C
Just
another
clarifying
question,
or
maybe
some
back
and
forth
you're
sort
of
concerned
about
this.
C
Creating
a
structure
that
may
go
in
in
perpetuity
in
some
respect
that
may
outlive
its
purpose.
A
I'm
just
asking
a
question:
my
preference
would
be
that
it
would
be
able
to
operate
in
a
manner
so.
A
That
it
is
evaluated
and
measured
for
success,
as
was
brought
up
earlier,
and
the
goals
can
either.
A
Be
met
or
not
met
and
it
can
be
massaged,
and
then
you
have
a
much
better
idea
of
what
form
and.
A
That
up
likely
would
go
into
perpetuity.
I
think,
for
my
my
personal,
I
think
that's
a
legitimate.
C
Concern
and
I
think
that's
a
concern
with
all
of
our
commissions.
Frankly,
I
think
they're.
C
City
commissions,
so
that
we
don't
sort
of
so
that
we're
not
always
growing
them.
I
know
this
is.
C
C
Exception
to
I
think
it
would
be
subject
to
the
same
types
of
of
things.
I
I
take
the
point.
C
That
certainly-
and
you
you,
council,
member
sims
and
others
have
on
the
committee-
have
made
that.
C
Over
time,
based
on
you
know
what
recommendations
they
make,
what
is
implemented
or
not,
how.
C
I
do
think
we
envision
something
of
a
multi-year
effort.
That's
needed
at
minimum.
C
To
be
able
to
track
some
things
over
time
and
evaluate
programs
to
recommendations
or
things.
C
C
Be
accomplished
by
a
task
force
or
a
focus
group.
You
know
I'm
not
entirely
opposed
to.
C
Which
I
would
have
liked
to
apply
to
all
commissions
and
that's
kind
of
where
I
am
on
that.
But
I
certainly
I
think
you
have
valid
questions
and-
and
I
think
reasonable.
A
Minds
are
differing
just
a
little
bit.
That's
why
we're
discussing
things
council,
member.
A
Okay,
I
see
no
hands
raised
councilmember
rosenberger,
you
have
a
follow-up.
D
A
lot
of
power
away
from
the
people
that
we
want
to
engage
and
involved
so.
D
D
Situation
and
I
think,
there's
something
about
a
commission
where
you're
going
to
be
working
with.
D
D
A
Okay,
thank
you,
so
being
a
commission
gives
this
proposed
group.
A
Is
your
hand
up
council
member
p,
mostly
yeah
yeah,
I'm
sorry,
yeah?
Okay,
I
don't
know
what
a
focus.
B
Well,
the
forum
is
spelled
out
in
the
ordinance
okay.
Thank
you,
council
member
sandberg,.
A
E
E
E
Coalition
and
all
these
other
task
force
that
are
underweight
as
well,
and
it
could
just.
E
E
Any
form
that
it
comes,
and
so
that's
just
maybe
a
middle
ground
that
I
would
like
to
see
discussed.
B
Gosh
darn
it
so
a
task
force
could
be
independent.
Oh
yes,
I
remember
what
I.
B
Was
going
to
say
I'm
so
sorry,
so
if
a
task
force
is
formed
and
it's
independent,
then
what.
B
B
Taking
seriously
the
outcome
of
their
work,
if
it's
an
independent
body.
B
B
B
B
B
Well,
as
it
commits
us
to
to
listening
to
them,
and
it
gives
them
credibility
that
an
independent.
B
B
Maybe
doing
more
in
that
direction
or
less
so
a
task
force
to
me
seems
like
a
limited
time.
A
Called
together
by
by
beverly
calendar
anderson's
group
that
they've
been
meeting.
A
A
Sake
of
discussion,
council
members-
I'm
sorry
were
you
done,
council,
member,
peter
smith,
yeah.
I
E
E
E
E
A
A
F
First
step
mcquee
baris,
I
believe,
is.
H
H
Hear
me
yes,
all
right
great
again,
thank
you
so
much
for
the
opportunity
to
be
here.
H
I
think
is
it's
important
and
I
again
I'm
sure
people
already
know
where
I'm
going
to
go.
H
As
I
relate
to
the
foundation
of
this
of
this
commission,
and
so
my
first
thought
is-
is
that.
H
As
it
relates
to
creating
a
space
or
what
like,
what
people
like
to
say
as
far
as
a
seat,.
H
H
The
those
commissions
weren't
having
a
seat
at
the
table
or
creating
this.
H
And
one
thing
that
I
mentioned
last
week
was
this
idea
of
having
an
afterthought
creating.
H
They
they
feel
like
this
is
a
savior's
white,
savior
mentality,
or
this
for
this
particular.
H
Is
that
it's
important
for
us
in
bloomington
to
recognize?
How
do
we
create
spaces
for
people.
H
H
F
J
Thank
you
thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
speak
this
evening.
I
appreciate
the
time.
J
J
Your
comment,
because
I've
been
working
on
this
all
my
life
too,
I
get
into
three.
J
Or
four
of
the
categories
in
this
ordinance,
while
I
am
white,
I
still
fit
into
three.
J
J
Our
voices
as
part
of
the
planning
of
such
an
ordinance,
so
maybe
it
can
be
tweaked
a
little.
J
Bit
and
then
passed,
that's
my
my
opinion.
So
having
said
that,
an
ordinance
does
get
more
of.
J
A
seat
at
the
table,
I
agree
and-
and
I
think
it
was
and
I
I
may
be
wrong-
I
think
it
was.
J
J
After
ideas
are
and
are
brought
about,
and
and
so
there's
that
I'm
a
little
disjointed.
J
Here
because
I
had
all
these
notes
and
all
my
little
notes
got
messed
up
so
anyway,.
J
J
J
J
Into
any
of
these
other
categories,
I
don't
know,
I
don't
know
anyway,
these
are
uncomfortable.
J
We're
wanting
to
engage
with
the
community
more
and
to
be
heard
and
we've
been
trying
for.
J
Direction
if
and
only
if,
we
can
have
have
us
as
part
of
part
of
the
planning
of
this
and
then.
A
About
45
seconds,
all
right
well
give
me
like
10
seconds
back
from
that.
J
Like
to
have
the
same
consideration
that
you
give
to
all
the
white
folk
in
this
town,
that.
J
A
But
we're
trying
to
limit
public
comment
to
five
minutes.
I
didn't
see
a
need
to.
F
Next
up,
and
I'm
not
sure
if
she'd
actually
like
to
come
in
or
her
hand
is
just
raised.
G
Wanted
to
address
council
member
pete
smith's
comment
about
the
future
of
police,
the
future
of.
G
G
Project,
we
are
formulating
it.
We,
the
community
and
family
resources
department,
has
agreed
to.
G
Task
force
so
it
is
and
and
its
community
because,
as
we
said
earlier,
it
has
the
council
and.
G
I'm
sorry,
the
county
and
iupd
and
other
other
entities
involved,
and
so
this
is
a.
G
Community-Wide
task
group,
not
necessarily
it's
not
a
city
task
group,
but
miss
miller,
actually
made.
G
Me
think
of
something
else
that
I'd
like
to
offer
and,
and
I
think
about
when
caps
talks
about
the.
G
That
someone,
who
is
actively-
maybe
you
know
using
substances
or
or
unhoused,
might
have,
and
so.
G
When
you
talk
about
people
being
actively
used,
you
know
using
substances
or.
G
A
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
lucas.
Yes,
next
up
we
have
jim
shelton.
F
K
K
K
K
K
K
K
K
Thank
you,
mr
sheldon.
Mr
lucas,
I
don't
see
anyone
else
just
as
a
reminder,
though,
if.
L
L
L
Of
all,
let
me
say,
I
think,
creating
a
group
to
study
this
issue
is
extremely
important
and
I'm.
L
I'm
really
glad
that
this
is
being
discussed.
I
think
I'd
like
to
start
by
sort
of
going
back.
L
To
miss
counter
anderson's
initial
comments
about
how
a
commission
might
create
some
confusion.
L
Are
they
who
they
listen
to,
I
think,
creating
a
commission,
in
my
view,
as
a
citizen
that
that.
L
L
L
And
finally,
I
guess
I
think,
re
creating
separate.
L
L
L
Talking
and
having
frank
conversations
and
regardless
of
who
is
present.
L
A
No,
I
think
everyone
gets
about
at
that
point.
We've
given
five
minutes,
so
I
think.
F
Comments
that
way,
thank
you,
and
particularly
those
that
have
already
had
a
chance
to
speak
and
and.
A
Have
more
that
they'd
like
to
share
with
us
so
having
no
further
comment,
I
liked
our
public.
A
Comment:
I'd
like
to
come
back
to
our
council
for
final
comments
or
any
questions
they
might
have.
A
Council,
remember
scandalary,
thank
you
and
I'm
actually
unmuted
too
good.
I
I'm
going
to
pass
on
this
tonight
and
here's.
Why,
first
of
all,
I'm
still
trying
to
understand.
I
To
hear
more
about
that-
and
also
I
I
am-
I
am
still
clinging
tenaciously
to
the
idea.
I
I
And
so
again,
I
still
have
questions
about
how
this
would
all
work.
I
still
think
our.
E
E
E
Turn
on
that,
and
I
definitely
see
that
being
a
function
that
could
certainly
be
beneficial.
E
E
That
we
have
to
keep
our
focus
on
so
while
this
is
important,
I
would
like
a
little
more
time
to.
E
B
Yes,
thank
you.
I
wanted
to
reply
to
a
few
things
mentioned
by
members
of
the
public.
First
of
all,.
B
B
Secondly,
there
was
a
good
question
about
you
know.
We
may
not
know
if
applicants
for
the.
B
B
B
Throw
something
out
just
off
the
top
of
my
head,
but
I
think
that
we
could.
We
could
think
of.
B
Some
carefully
worded
questions
to
kind
of
understand
where
the
person's
coming
from.
B
And
and
that
that
is
a
voice
that
we
we
normally
wouldn't
hear.
B
Again,
this
commission
isn't
trying
to
solve
everybody's
problems.
It's
trying
to
hear
from.
B
Hear
from
as
to
their
ideas
for
making
people
feel
safer,
so
it's
not
trying
to
solve
all.
B
B
B
Quickly
before
that
divide
gets
to
a
point
where
there's
no
return
of
coming
together.
B
And
people
are
suffering,
people
are
being
discriminated
against,
people
are
being.
B
B
Ago
we
need
to
move
forward.
We
need
to
show
the
community
that
we
are
listening,
that
we
know
there.
B
A
Thank
you
very
much
I'll
finish
up
this
evening.
We've
heard
a
lot
about
the
caps.
A
Commission
and
other
commissions
and
a
lot
about
our
community
this
evening,
a
couple
weeks
ago,.
A
At
a
council
meeting,
I
shared
an
incident
that
happened
with
me
at
a.
A
A
A
So
a
couple
things
I
agree
with
you:
this
is,
I
totally
agree
with
the
goals
and
the
intent.
A
Of
this
caps
commission,
I
also
agree
that
there
is
some
urgency
to
this.
A
As
opposed
to
a
task
force
or
a
focus
group,
one
of
our
public
comments,
mr
shelton,
I
thought.
A
Could
lead
to
policy
changes
and
potentially
I'm
looking
forward
to
even
some
systemic
changes.
A
Fact
I
was
uncomfortable
with
that
and
I
think
I
speak
for
many
in
my
community.
A
A
Potentially,
if
you
don't
go
to
a
higher
level
of
incarceration,
so
I
think
it
makes
sense.
A
More
change
now
I
don't.
There
are
some
issues
I
have
with
that
group
as
well,
mostly
with
timing.
A
And
some
other
things,
but
I
am
most
happy
with
how
more
inclusive
it
feels
to
me
and
the
way
I.
A
A
Jim,
don't
you
know
whatever
I
think
everyone
should
be
included.
I
have
been
in
situations.
A
Just
forming
a
commission
does
that
it
can
help
based
on
this
the
membership.
I
think.
A
But
I
just
think
there's
a
broader
way
to
do
that,
and
so
I'm
still
looking
forward
to.
A
Now,
having
said
that,
do
we
have
any
more
questions
than
if
council,
member
piedmont,
smith.
B
Were
that
I
I
believe
that
at
this
point
we
need
a
motion
to
either.
B
In
this
committee,
okay,
thank
you.
Are
we
ready
to
consider
a
do
pass
recommendation.
A
You're,
muted,
I'm
unmeeting,
okay
with
the
sponsors,
I
would
actually.
A
I
was
just
going
to
say,
pass,
isn't
actually
a
vote
and
not
an
indication
of
an
extension.
A
At
least
the
way
I
view
it,
so
I
will
repeat:
are
we
ready
to
consider
a
do
pass
recommendation.
B
Why
would
it
be
thursday
and
not
wednesday,
isn't
it?
This
is
the
council
schedule.