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From YouTube: Bloomington City Council, August 16, 2023
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C
A
Thank
you
and
continuing
with
the
agenda
summation.
We
have
one
set
of
minutes
that
require
approval
this
evening
from
November.
16
2022
will
then
continue
with
reports,
including
reports
from
council
members
and
Innovation
report
from
the
mayor
and
city
offices,
reports
from
Council
committees
and
then
our
first
of
two
periods
of
public
comment,
we'll
then
take
up
appointments
to
boards
and
commissions
and
then
move
into
legislation
for
second
readings
and
resolutions
included
there.
A
We
have
resolution
2315
to
review
an
expenditure
of
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
or
more
within
a
covered
fund
under
ordinance
1810,
additional
fiscal
oversight
by
the
common
Council
regarding
expending
in
excess
of
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
street
department
Capital
funds
for
the
procurement
of
a
new
milling
machine.
We
also
have
ordinance
2316
to
amend
Title
VII
of
the
Bloomington
Municipal
Code
entitled
animals
regarding
updating
and
harmonizing
chapters,
1
26,
40,
54
and
56
of
Title
VII
of
the
Bloomington
municipal
code.
A
A
H
Member
Sandberg,
thank
you
just
a
reminder
that
the
Rallo
Sandberg
constituent
meeting
will
be
this
Saturday
August,
the
19th
starting
at
10,
and
that
Zoom
link
can
be
found
on
the
city's
website
under
our
Council
calendar.
We
urge
everyone
to
come
and
zoom
in.
We
have
plenty
that
we
can
be
talking
about
here
before
we
get
to
our
budget
hearing.
H
I
would
like
to
say
a
thank
you
to
the
mayor's
office
for
providing
a
written
memo.
Answering
questions
that
I
had
posed
last
week.
I
had
hoped
to
have
more
of
a
public
opportunity
to
ask
follow-up
questions
because
I
certainly
have
them,
but
it
looks
like
maybe
our
next
opportunity
to
do
that
will
be
during
budget
hearings
as
we
consider
the
fiscal
implications
of
some
major
expenditures.
Thank
you.
C
Is
there
never
mind.
I
I
Please
go
ahead.
Oh
okay!
Thank
you.
I
wasn't
sure
exactly
where
we
should
put
this.
This
is
a
planned
commission
report
from
me
on
the
city
council
representative
for
for
the
plan
Commission
the
thing
that
was
of
note
and
was
important
for
us
all
to
hear
about
public
as
as
well
as
my
fellow
council
members,
the
Sudbury
development
Summit,
the
summit
development.
I
I
Jackie
Scanlon
was
there
president
for
the
city
as
well
as
Mike
Rooker,
and
you
know
the
Regular
cadrea
People
I
was
a
second
hearing.
We
had
another,
we
had
one
a
month
ago
that
was
continued.
That
was
the
first
hearing
and
then
we're
going
to
have
another
one.
I
In
September,
it's
been
forwarded,
By
Request
of
the
Developers,
so
Mr
vinsel
and
Mr
Ridge
both
presented
to
the
planned
commission
and
answered
questions
both
stated
they're
still
in
the
development
phase
and
they're
looking
forward
to
hearing
more
and
they
want
to
hear
more
and
they
want
to
continue
to
adjust
the
project.
It
has
evolves
in
response
to
people's
concerns
and
issues
kind
of
in
a
in
a
nutshell:
it's
a
development
of
five
neighborhoods
over
there
in
a
Sudbury
140
Acres,
Sudbury
Farm.
I
It
is
a
there's
going
to
be
five
different
kind
of
neighborhoods.
Some
there's
going
to
be
by
Accounts
at
this
point,
because
it's
early
in
the
project
4450
to
6
000
units
with
a
minimum
of
15
percent,
affordable
housing,
which
is
at
120
of
the.
I
The
way
it's
going
to
be
developed
is
kind
of
in
in
stages.
It's
a
humongous
project
which
is
going
to
be
15.
This
is
going
to
be
in
each
of
the
five
areas,
so
it's
not
going
to
be
concentrated
in
one
area.
It's
going
to
be
spread
throughout
one
of
the
questions
that
came
up
from
the
Commissioners.
The
plan
Commissioners
was
if
there
may
be
a
senior
living
facility
in
there
and
could
that
be
countered
as
part
of
the
15
15
percent
at
120,
Ami
or
below,
and
you
know
I
I.
I
I
I
We
we
talked
about
the
mixture
of
rentals
and
units
that
might
be
you
know
like,
but
that
you
could
buy
there'll,
be
some
single
families,
there'll
be
some
paired
homes,
there'll
be
some
apartments,
so
it's
going
to
be
a
really
really
interesting
mix
and
it's
really
going
to
be
an
interesting
and
and
eventually
really
a
great
project.
It's
just
it's
a
big
thing
to
wrap
your
head
around
and
to
for
all
this
to
get
going,
the
mixture
of
rentals
and
purchasable
properties-
it's
really
not
yet
determined
exactly
they
haven't
got
that
far.
I
Yet
there
was
about
20
public
members
there.
One
of
their
big
concerns
was
the
Weimer
Road
capacity
for
for
trucks
to
go
down
it
for
the
building
to
happen.
They
were
worried
about
that
and
evidently
there's
some
flood
issues
down
there
too.
There
evidently
there's
some
County
and
city
property
issues
with
the
road
and
so
that
that
was
an
interesting
one.
That
I
think
is
a
a
real
challenge
for
the
future
and
the
developers.
I
Yet
you
know
they
they're,
really
honest
and
it's
pretty
straightforward
and
said
you
know
we
haven't,
got
that
all
figured
out
yet,
but
we're
in
you
know
we're
in
the
process
of
trying
to
figure
this
out
before
they
come
forward
with
any
kind
of
final
proposal.
I
Neighbors
and
Arbor
Ridge
were
concerned
about
the
size
of
the
development.
I
can
understand
that
it's
it's
a
really
huge
development.
I
I
will
say
that
the
the
statements
made
you
know
you
can
look
it
up
on
cats.
You
it
was,
it
made
me
feel
pretty
good
about.
They
were
really
Tyler,
Ridge
and
and
Mr
vinsel
were
really
trying
to
be
considerate
about
all
the
environmental
issues,
about
the
impacts
on
neighborhoods.
I
And
so,
if
you
have
a
concerns
about
that,
you
need
to
please
send
your
input
to
the
plan.
Commission
folks,
you
can
send
it
to
me
as
the
representative
for
Council
or
anybody
on
a
planned
Commission.
I
The
public
was
also
worried
about
the
environmental
impact
on
a
car's
topography,
some
flooding
issues
and
infrastructure
capacity
in
general,
because
it's
a
really
big
project.
The
response
for
all
this
you
know
concerns
and
the
discussions.
You
know
it's
really
undetermined.
As
of
yet
they're
going
to
have
a
traffic
study
done,
they're
going
to
look
at
the
environmental
impacts
and
those
are
still
to
be
considered,
and
it's
not
yet.
I
You
know
finalized
that
hasn't
got
that
far
because
it's
such
a
huge
project,
so
in
September
the
planned
commission
will
have
another
Another
Second
hearing
and
if
it's
needed,
we
will
afford
it
onto
a
third
hearing,
because
the
developers
and
the
plan,
commission
and
I'm
sure
this
body
as
well
would
like
to
get
it
right
and
try
to
make
it
work
for
everybody,
because
it
you
know
it's
it's
an
awful
lot
of
people
to
put
in
a
spot,
so
there'll
be
some
issues
with
Road
access
and
road
development.
I
So,
thank
you.
That's
that's
my
report.
A
J
Good
evening,
everyone,
my
name,
is
Dave
the
Kidd
I'm,
the
Innovation
director
for
the
city
of
Bloomington
and
I'm
pleased
to
present
this
City's
state
of
innovation
report
to
you
all
tonight,
a
little
bit
of
background.
The
office
of
innovation
was
created
by
The
Innovation
task
force,
convened
by
mayor
Hamilton
in
March
of
2016
and
comprised
of
folks
in
city,
government,
local
stakeholders
and
representatives
from
City
Council.
J
J
To
be
clear,
innovation
did
not
start
when
the
office
was
established.
However,
we
didn't
have
information
about
what
was
being
done
or
who
was
doing
it
as
part
of
the
effort
to
nurture
a
culture
of
innovation.
I
began
documenting
known
efforts
to
understand
our
starting
point.
The
elements
that
contribute
to
Innovation
happening
when
it
is
happening
and
to
celebrate
our
innovators,
the
focus
of
tonight's
presentation
will
be
on
how
innovation
has
progressed
since
the
office
was
established.
J
J
Before
discussing
our
journey
of
the
past
seven
years,
I
want
to
provide
some
context
about
establishing
roles
like
mine
in
cities
around
the
world.
This
graph
is
from
an
analysis
of
public
Innovation
by
the
Johns
Hopkins
University
Bloomberg
Center
for
Public
Innovation
and
reflects
the
rate
at
which
municipalities
are
adding
an
intentional
focus
on
innovation.
J
The
data,
if
you
were
to
ask
me,
what's
the
most
popular
kind
of
innovation
at
the
city,
I
would
have
said
hands
down
software
moving
from
paper-based
processes
to
digital.
But
when
we
look
at
the
data,
you
can
see
that
there
are
three
categories
that
supersede
that
and
having
that
information
helps
me
tell
the
story
of
what
Innovation
looks
like
to
our
employees
and
also
understand
where
we
have
momentum
well,
this
graph
looks
very
similar
to
the
previous
one.
The
data
here
shows
the
breakdown
of
documented
Innovations
by
Department.
J
J
Also
important
is
who
is
initiating
innovation
staff
make
up
the
bulk
of
our
roughly
530
employees,
but
currently
Innovation
is
being
initiated
mostly
by
Department
directors,
as
you
can
see
in
the
gray
slice
there
to
leverage
the
collective
wisdom
of
the
organization.
However,
the
ideal
is
to
have
a
bottom-up
approach
where
most
of
the
Innovation
is
initiated
by
the
staff,
as
shown
by
the
light
blue
slice
in
this
model.
Leadership
and
administration
shift
away
from
initiating
The
Innovation
to
providing
guidance
and
coaching
with
the
Innovation
director
as
an
internal
consultant.
J
So
are
we
improving
current
processes?
70
projects
were
documented
from
2016
to
2022,
11
of
them
with
the
direct
involvement
of
the
Innovation
director
for
the
projects
for
which
we
could
calculate
a
savings.
The
initial
investment
is
calculated
at
just
under
half
a
million,
and
the
savings
associated
with
those
projects
is
calculated
at
under
1.4
million.
J
J
J
That's
a
great
indicator
that
Innovation
is
truly
taking
root
and
just
the
other
day,
I
had
a
third
graduate
approached
me
about
a
project
that
they
would
like
to
pursue
and
as
you've
seen
in
the
graphs,
we
have
more
departments
documenting
more
success
stories
year
over
year.
But
what
makes
a
difference
to
me
is
that
the
Departments
are
approaching
me
proactively
to
let
me
know
what
they're
doing
and
also
to
request
training
or
coaching.
J
Are
we
more
prepared
for
the
future
we
applied
for
and
were
accepted
into,
the
Bloomberg
Global
Innovation
training
cohort
in
2020
and
again
in
2022.
As
a
result,
we've
become
part
of
their
public
Innovation
Network,
where
we
can
connect
directly
with
other
cities
about
the
work
that
they
are
doing
and
not
recreate
the
wheel.
J
I
regularly
update
my
colleagues
on
Trends
in
both
emerging
issues
and
solutions
for
their
consideration
from
this
network.
Similarly,
I
participated
in
the
Harvard
government
performance
Labs
community
of
practice
on
alternative
responses
to
9-1-1
calls
for
service
and
provided
recommendations
from
their
research
to
the
mayor.
The
deputy
mayor,
the
police
chief,
the
fire
chief
and
the
director
of
Civilian
operations
for
dispatch
for
their
consideration,
preparing
for
the
future
includes
managing
the
Cadence
communication
about
and
the
impact
of
change.
J
I
spoke
about
change
management
at
a
Parks
and
Rec
Retreat
when
they
were
preparing
for
the
reality
of
switchyard
Park
I'm,
working
with
its
on
the
change
management
plan,
as
we
transition
to
a
digital
permitting
and
Licensing
platform
and
I
help.
The
engineering
department
defined
their
mission
and
identity
and
articulate
how
they
relate
to
planning
and
public
works
as
a
new
Department
I'm,
currently
working
with
our
its
department
and
the
vendor.
Idc.
J
So
I
think
we're
moving
in
the
right
direction,
but
the
future
of
innovation
at
the
city
is
in
your
hands
and
those
of
the
next
Administration
I'd
like
to
conclude
this
presentation,
with
some
recommendations
on
how
to
optimize
this
role
and
its
impact
on
the
organization
budget.
Surprise.
Surprise
right,
Innovation
is
currently
funded
through
aversion
funds
that
are
appropriated
in
the
spring
and
did
not
carry
over
to
the
next
calendar
year.
J
J
The
process
changing
this
process
in
future
years
is
highly
recommended.
It
might
not
happen
for
2024,
but
it's
something
that
should
be
considered
for
future
years.
In
2021,
The
Innovation
Lab
at
627,
North
Morton
was
open.
The
space
is
home
to
the
director's
office
and
a
hybrid
capable
conference
room
where
all
the
walls
are
whiteboards.
J
All
of
the
data
you've
seen
here
tonight
came
from
success
stories
that
fellows
and
interns
have
spent
hours
documenting
without
their
work.
We'd
have
no
stories,
no
data
and
no
way
to
celebrate
them,
a
big
shout
out
to
two-time
Innovation
intern
and
soon
to
be
Innovation
fellow
Joe
Bergen,
who
has
done
the
Lion
Share
of
this
documentation
funding.
This
kind
of
support
is
crucial
to
furthering
a
culture
of
innovation.
J
The
bulk
of
the
current
and
future
Innovation
fund
should
be
to
lower
the
risk
for
departments
to
try
new
things.
If
the
experiment
works
great,
that
becomes
a
line
item
in
next
year's
budget.
If
it
fails,
no
harm,
no
fail
reflect
on
what
was
learned
and
try
again
with
Innovation
as
your
friend
integration.
J
By
the
end
of
this
calendar
year,
I'll
offer
Department
directors
and
Innovation
toolkit
and
the
opportunity
to
apply
the
tools
in
a
one
and
a
half
day
boot
camp
taking
the
boot
camp
will
be
a
requirement
for
receiving
future
Innovation
funding
involving
Innovation
and
operations.
Discussions
can
ensure
the
continuous
Improvement
and
transformation
opportunities
are
considered
throughout
the
year
as
well.
Involvement
during
annual
budget
planning
can
ensure
that
support,
training
and
Innovation
funding
opportunities
are
identified
in
time
to
be
funded
and,
finally,
radical
exploration.
J
These
are
topics
where
there
are
indications
that
there's
a
desire
for
the
city
to
be
more
bold
in
exploring
processes
or
new
paradigms.
Internally,
there
are
aspects
of
our
HR
budget
and
procurement
processes
that
could
benefit
from
reinvention
externally.
Our
latest
Community
survey
showed
a
desire
for
the
city
to
use
new
methods
to
address
the
issues
of
affordable
housing
and
homelessness,
new
and
different
ways
to
connect
and
engage
residents
and
Community
matters
and
new
ways
to
hold
true
to
the
policies
and
ordinances
that
we
already
have
on
the
books.
J
E
Thank
you,
Miss
kid,
for
the
presentation
is
a
I'm.
Looking
at
some
of
the
notes,
slides
you
provided
is
suspension
of
the
leaf
service,
considered
an
innovation
and
is:
is
that
part
of
the
one
point
I
can't
remember
three
million
yes,.
E
And
okay,
it's
part
of
both
yes
and
approximately.
How
much
savings
is
that
for
the
elimination
of
the
leaf
pickup,
roughly.
G
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
Miss
Kidd,
for
the
report
just
very
quickly
a
two-fold
question:
can
you
give
us
an
example
or
discuss
what
human-centered
design
is
just
so
that
I'm
clear
as
well
as
discuss?
What
are
some
of
the
risks
that
you've
encountered
for
trying
new
things.
J
J
We
think
about
multiple
perspectives,
and
especially
the
end
user
of
the
product
or
the
service
and
Center
them
in
the
conversation
and
in
the
problem
statement
to
make
sure
that
the
ultimate
solution
is
solving
for
the
people
that
it's
serving
it
also
brings
in
those
people
at
the
front
end
to
be
part
of
the
solution.
So,
instead
of
solving
for
we're
solving
with,
and
can
you
remind
me
of
your
second
question,
what
are
what
are
the
risks
of
trying
something
new
yeah?
Well
failing
and
wasting
a
lot
of
money?
D
Yes,
thank
you
Miss
Kidd,
for
your
report.
The
sidewalk
Innovation
team
presented
to
us
I
think
in
March
and
I
know
there
were
some
projects
that
you
were
still
working
on.
Can
you
talk
specifically
about
the
problem
of
trash
and
recycle
bins,
blocking
sidewalks
and
whether
there's
been
any
new
recommendations
for
that
that.
J
Was
a
recommendation
that
was
I
think
slated
for
2025
because
there's
some
complexities
associated
with
it?
We
documented
I
think
13
different
configurations
of
house
relative
to
sidewalk
relative
to
driveway
if
there
was
a
driveway
and
whether
it
was
on
street
parking
just
a
lot
of
different
configurations,
and
so
we
said
there
are
other
things
that
we
could
do
faster
and
less
expensively
with
less
disruption.
First,
knowing
that
we
ultimately
want
to
address
that,
because
it's
still
going
to
be
a
problem.
C
Presentation
I
just
wanted
to
know:
can
you
break
down
the
totals
that
you
mentioned
in
your
presentation
and
if
not
in
a
few
short
words,
can
we
see
a
breakdown
of
of
how
you
got
those
total
numbers.
J
J
Ilab
yeah,
so
it
is,
it
started
really
because
there
wasn't
space
for
me
to
sit
in
the
office
of
the
mayor
physically
in
that
office.
So
we
were
looking
for
new
space
and
at
the
bottom
of
one
of
the
Redevelopment
commission
buildings
on
North
Morton,
there
was
the
the
front
of
a
commercial
space
available,
and
so
we
we
changed
it
to
the
The
Innovation
lab.
J
It
has
a
large
conference
area,
that's
hybrid,
capable
with
an
owl
and
almost
all
of
the
walls
have
a
whiteboard
cling
film
on
them,
and
it's
it's
a
it's
decorated
in
a
way
that
it
doesn't
look
governmental.
So
it
gives
employees
who
are
using
the
space
some
both
physical
and
mental
space
away
from
their
normal
working
conditions,
and
it
also
gives
them
the
tools
to
be
able
to
iterate
and
discuss
and
and
track
the
results
from
their
their
meetings
and
their
discussions.
J
It
also
has
a
keypad,
so
it
doesn't
require
a
badge
and
it
doesn't
require
a
key.
It's
a
keyless
entry.
So
if
you've
got
an
after
hours,
working
group
and
you're
looking
for
a
place
that
doesn't
require
the
complexities
of
coming
to
City.
Hall
at
night,
then
you
can
go
there
and
it's
just
up
the
road
and
you
can't
miss
it,
because
Andrew
Krebs
gave
us
some
beautiful
window,
clings
that
are
blue
and
and
aqua
and
white.
D
A
A
A
That
takes
us
to
reports
from
Council
committees.
Are
there
any
seeing
none
that
takes
us
to
our
first
period
of
public
comment?
This
is
for
items
not
on
our
legislative
agenda
this
evening,
may
I
have
a
show
of
hands
and
Chambers
about
of
how
many
people
would
like
to
offer
public
comment
and
Mr
Lucas.
Could
you
extend
our
invitation
on
Zoom?
Please.
K
A
L
Good
evening
Castle,
yes,
my
name
is
Jim
Shelton
speaking
at
the
moment
on
behalf
of
court
reporting,
special
Advocates,
your
Casas
want
to
say
again
to
the
public
and
you
folks
that
Casa's
fall
training
is
coming
really
soon.
It's
going
to
run
through
September
19th
to
October
19th
applications
will
be
done,
September
8th.
So
this
is
a
very
good
opportunity.
L
The
training
will
teach
people
the
roles
and
responsibilities
of
a
casa,
the
Dynamics
family
dynamics
of
abuse
and
neglect,
because
there's
quite
often
patterns
that
are
repeated
in
different
situations
about
the
Child
Protection
Law
in
the
state
of
Indiana
and
then
what
kind
of
reports
the
court
expects
the
cost
of
an
attorney
and
when
they
have
hearings.
So
we
invite
people
to
consider
this.
It's
a
great
volunteer
opportunity,
very
satisfying
fun
to
get
to
work
with
children,
so
invite
people
to
think
about
that
and
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
spread
the
word.
M
Good
evening
Council
Eric
spoonmore
president
and
CEO
of
the
greater
Bloomington
Chamber
of
Commerce.
Can
you
all
hear
me?
Okay,
great,
so
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
speak
tonight,
wanted
to
give
my
appreciation
to
a
couple
of
boards
that
serve
for
the
city,
the
Board
of
Public
Works,
as
well
as
the
Parks
Board
of
Commissioners
I,
attended
both
of
those
meetings
over
the
last
couple
of
days
and
very
much
appreciate
their
support
of
the
policies
and
resolutions
that
were
before
them.
M
Unanimous
support
and
my
understanding
is
the
Public
Works
board
will
be
referring
their
recommendation
to
the
council
and
would
urge
you
to
also
support
that
ordinance.
That
would
restrict
obstructions
in
the
public
right-of-way.
Although
I
do
want
to
say
that
I
was
deeply
troubled
and
if
you
all
get
the
opportunity
to
watch
the
meeting
that
unfolded
today
in
council
chambers.
M
Some
of
the
inflammatory
remarks
that
were
used
by
folks
during
public
comment
and
I
I
really
am
concerned
by
the
the
the
poor
decorum
and
the
discourse
that
unfolded
there.
And
to
me
this
is
a
matter
of
equity
and
inclusion
and
accessibility,
and
if
we
want
all
of
our
members
of
the
public
to
be
participating
in
in
civil
engagement
in
working
to
engage
our
government,
we
need
to
make
these
welcoming
spaces.
We
cannot
allow
the
most
vulgar
forms
of
profanity
to
be
directed
towards
public
officials.
M
M
Ms
kids,
devto
kids
remarks
about
human-centered
design,
and
maybe
we
could
design
a
process
that
would
disallow
such
harmful
remarks
to
be
cast
towards
our
public
officials
and
other
members
of
the
community
who
simply
want
to
engage
with
their
government,
so
I'll
just
leave
that
there
again
appreciate
all
the
work
that
you
all
do.
Thank
you
so
much
and
urge
your
support
of
the
Public
Works
ordinance.
That
will
be
coming
your
way
shortly.
Thank
you.
So
much.
A
H
Member
Sandberg
Madam
president,
if
I,
if
I
may,
the
interview
team
of
council,
member
Smith
and
scandalary
and
myself
had
the
opportunity
to
read
nine
very
excellent
applications
to
our
Capital
Improvement
board
and
we
spent
three
days
last
week
interviewing
six
very
capable
candidates.
And
we
are
pleased
this
evening
to
be
able
to
offer
our
nomination
for
C1
Doug
Bruce
for
the
CIB.
E
F
A
E
A
B
Resolution
2315
to
review
an
expenditure
of
one
hundred
thousand
dollars
or
more
within
a
covered
fund
under
ordinance
1810,
additional
fiscal
oversight
by
the
common
Council
regarding
expending
in
excess
of
100
000
in
street
department
Capital
funds
for
the
procurement
of
a
new
milling
machine.
The
synopsis
is
as
follows.
This
resolution
is
submitted
in
accordance
with
ordinance
1810,
additional
fiscal
oversight
by
the
common
Council
and
request.
A
A
N
K
Don't
see
Mr
Rooker
on
the
on
the
meeting,
if
members
need
additional
background
as
to
why
this
request
is
coming
to
council
I
know
this
is
not
something
you're
used
to
seeing
I'm
happy
to
provide
background
I
covered
it,
the
memo
that
was
included
in
your
packet.
But
if
there
are
questions
I'm
happy
to
get
into
that,
okay.
A
O
K
H
O
It
allows
us
to
we
usually
do
what
they
call
a
mill
and
Phil
we'll
take
an
inch
and
a
half
off
and
put
an
inch
and
a
half
back
that
way.
We
we
don't
lose
our
curb
Heights.
O
The
driveway
approaches
stay
the
same
Heights
and
we
turn
around
and
sell
that
to
ENB
for
six
dollars
a
ton,
so
that
helps
us
in
in
the
long
run.
Also.
D
Yes,
I
just
I
wanted
to
review
where
the
funds
are
coming
from,
so
it
was
supposed
to
go
towards
a
truck.
Well
then,
that
truck
be
purchased
next
year
or.
O
G
E
A
K
A
A
E
B
Ordinance
2316
to
amend
Title
VII
of
the
Bloomington
Municipal
Code
entitled
animals
regarding
updating
and
harmonizing
chapters,
0-1
26,
40,
54
and
56
of
Title
VII
of
the
Bloomington
Municipal
Code.
The
synopsis
is
as
follows.
This
ordinance
makes
several
changes
to
Title
VII
of
the
Bloomington
municipal
code
to
reflect
current
and
best
practices,
update
the
dangerous
animal
definitions
at
a
deer.
Feeding,
ban
increase
the
amount
of
certain
fees
and
add
additional
time
to
the
appeals
process.
P
Good
evening,
I'm
Virgil
Sauter
I'm,
the
director
of
Animal
Care
and
Control
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
the
city's
Animal
Control
Commission,
which
worked
on
these
ordinance
updates
over
the
past
year
and
just
passed
them
June
12th
of
this
year,
so
they're
recommending
and
to
bring
you
here
for
your
consideration
and
approval
I'll
go
over
some
of
the
the
big
sections
of
the
updates
and
kind
of
some
of
the
thoughts
behind
it.
P
The
first
major
changes
that
our
proposal
are
two
are
dangerous
animal
ordinances.
These
proposals
were
actually
put
together
by
a
Joint
Task
Force,
with
the
City
Animal
Control
Commission
and
Monroe
County.
Animal
management,
commission
and
the
Monroe
County
has
passed
these
this
section
of
the
updates
the
dangerous
animals
into
their
code
as
well.
P
The
changes
look
at
simplifying
are
dangerous
levels
from
what
used
to
be
four
down
to
three
we're
utilized
in
dunbar's
bite,
classification
classifications
for
the
definitions
of
these
ordinances.
These
are
accepted
classifications
by
both
behaviors
and
dog
trainers.
As
you
go
up
in
the
level
the
likelihood
of
another
bite
occurring
that
is
as
severe
more
severe
increases,
as
well
as
the
probability
of
the
animal
being
able
to
be
worthless
successfully
and
controlled
from
having
a
bite
also
decreases.
P
So
we
can
go
to
the
next
slide.
So
here
we
see
the
different
levels
so
potentially
dangerous.
That
first
grouping
are
animals.
Basically
animals
that
have
bitten
with
injuries
that
are
concerns,
but
not
necessarily
severe
to
people,
and
then
the
dangerous
and
the
vicious
dogs
are
more
severe
injuries.
P
All
right,
the
next
section
of
ordinance,
is
the
addition
of
a
deer
feeding
ban.
This
deer
feeding
band
looks
to
address
one
of
the
sources
of
human
deer
conflicts,
while
also
looking
out
for
the
Health
and
Welfare
of
the
deer.
When
deer
are
fed,
they
tend
to
congregate
in
larger
numbers
in
areas
where
this
artificial
feeding
occurs,
where
there
are
larger
groups
of
deer
there's,
actually,
an
increased
risk
of
disease
spread
between
those
deer
and
also
the
feed,
is
not
a
net
part
of
their
National
Diet,
which
can
cause
health
concerns
for
the
deer.
P
So
the
feeding
ban
one
looks
at
providing
an
opportunity
to
deal
with
our
conflict
that
people
have
with
the
deer
and
address
some
of
those
concerns.
While
also
protecting
our
natural
resource
of
the
deer
in
Bloomington,.
P
I
will
say
when
we
looked
at
language
for
the
deer
feeding
ban,
we
relied
heavily
on
the
work
of
the
dear
task
force,
the
language
that
they
proposed
back
in
I.
Believe
if
I
have
my
2012,
we
couldn't
outdo
much,
so
we
did
borrow
heavily
from
that
ordinance
with
the
recommendations
here.
P
So
specifically,
what
constitutes
feeding
is
any
food
on
the
ground
or
a
little
structure
under
five
feet,
and
we
have
a
list
of
what
constitutes
that
type
of
food
as
well.
It
does
exempt
any
activities
by
authorized
individuals
for
the
sake
of,
if
need,
to
trap,
relocate
with
DNR
or
animal
control
activities
also
exempts
bird
feeders
and
any
gardening
or
raising
of
crops
that
includes
Orchards
fruit,
trees.
I
will
say
that
if
you
are
having
conflict
with
deer
or
any
wildlife,
all
Wildlife
are
attracted
to
bird
feeders.
P
So
that's
one
of
the
first
things
that
you
should,
even
though
this
band
doesn't
include
those
you
should
consider
removing,
as
well
as
down
fruit
from
fruit
trees.
I
have
received
some
questions
about
enforcements
of
this
ordinance.
P
We
will
enforce
this
ordinance
based
on
reports
of
feeding
stations,
as
we
do.
Many
of
our
ordinances
as
well
as
this
will
be
part
of
the
training
for
Animal
Control
Officers
when
investigating
any
kind
of
deer
conflict
to
kind
of
do
an
assessment
of
the
area
to
see
if
this
is
part
of
that
larger
conflict
less
another
major
change
is
looking
at
some
of
the
fee
changes
I'm,
always
a
little
bit
hesitant
to
raise
fees
when
it
comes
to
animals.
P
A
lot
of
what
we
deal
with
are
people
on
Lower
social
economic
scales,
so
larger
fees
tend
to
impact
them
greatly.
However,
there
are
a
few
fees
we
thought
made
sense
in
these
changes.
One
is
the
small
increase
for
Animals
surrendered
from
out
of
County
sources.
This
is
basically
a
10
increase
over
all
the
levels
from
the
previous
fees.
P
The
other
thing
we
looked
at
is
increasing
our
adoption
fees.
Our
adoption
fees
haven't
been
increased
since
our
last
ordinance,
those
fees
currently
are,
were
based
on
costs
that
the
shelter
incurs
for
spaniel
surgeries,
microchipping
of
the
animals
basic
vaccinations.
P
Those
costs
for
our
shelter
have
gone
up
exponentially,
and
so
this
not
to
exceed
fee,
looks
at
recouping
that
cost
and
the
reason
we're
asking
for
not
to
exceed
fee
on
this
is.
There
are
definitely
some
animals
that
we
can
get
away
with,
or
can
expect
to
people
to
be
able
to
pay
more
and
willing
to
pay
more
so
think
of
puppies,
which
we
don't
get
in
as
much
as
we
used
to
or
small
breed
dogs.
These
are
animals
that
we
can
move
out
of
shelter
quickly.
P
We
can
recoup
some
of
those
costs,
whereas
our
young
exuberant
large
breed
dogs
or
our
cats.
We
still
struggle
with
so
we
would
want
to
keep
those
costs.
Lower
I
will
continue
to
work
with
the
Animal
Control
Commission
on
evaluating
those
fees
on
a
basis
and
deciding
changes
as
they
need
to
be,
and
then
we
also
added
a
monitoring
fee
for
both
dangerous
and
vicious,
with
vicious
being
more
vicious
again
being
more
highly
dangerous
animals
in
our
community,
all
right
and
then
the
last
one.
P
Last
major
in
additions
is
for
habitual
offender
cause
in
preparing
this
presentation.
I
almost
moved
this
up
to
our
potential,
our
potentially
dangerous
dangerous
animals,
because
they
do
go
hand
in
hand
I.
Think
of
this,
as
our
the
one
animal
ordinance
that
deals
with
the
people
more
so
than
the
animals
in
some
ways
and.
P
The
Animal
Control
Commission
has
always
been
kind
of
hesitant
to
take
animals
away
from
people
unless
the
situation
really
really
warrants
it,
which
and
then
fines
often
don't
solve
the
problems.
C
P
P
This
is
reflecting
an
increase.
Yes,
so
the
world
we
live
in
now,
exactly
and
and
that's
why
we
added
that
not
to
exceed
Clause,
because
we
don't
want
to
make
a
huge
jump
either.
C
The
other
question
is
the
the
monitoring:
what
do
those
costs
reflect
and
how
can
you
monitor
a
dangerous
or
vicious
animal
for
that
little
amount
of
money?
What
does
that
mean?
That's.
P
Just
a
it's,
it's
a
kind
of
a
token
cost
to
kind
of
cover.
Some
of
what
the
Animal
Control
Officers
are
doing.
When
an
animal
has
been
declared,
the
Animal
Control
Officers
evaluate
any
structures
that
are
used
to
house
those
animals.
They
periodically
expect
the
properties
make
sure
the
proper
signs
as
far
as
a
dangerous
or
vicious
animal
is
up
and
seen
that
the
enclosures
that
kids
can't
just
wander
into.
C
P
Thank
you
for
asking
that
question.
The
Animal
Control
Commission
is
the
body
that
declares
the
animal
potentially
dangerous,
dangerous
or
vicious.
We
as
the
animal
control
carrying
control
division.
We
bring
the
animals
that
we
think
fit
that
to
their
attention
and
then
they
make
a
determination.
C
Okay,
but
just
the
last
question
would
be
yeah
what
well
I
remember
when
we
had
the
chicken
ordinance
and
we
required
coops
built
out
of
brick,
and
it
seems
to
me
that
we-
actually,
maybe
it's
true,
not
true
anymore,
but
that
we
required
more
out
of
keeping
chickens
away
from
people
than
from
keeping
vicious
animals
at
Bay.
Is
that
possible
that
that's
true.
P
I
would
not
say
that
that
is
true
again
and
that's
that's
part
of
the
officers
determination
to
go
in
I
will
say
when
it
comes
to
the
dangers
and
potentially
dangerous
animals
in
the
city
that
primarily,
what
we
see
are
those
potentially
dangerous.
Those
smaller
bites.
P
Those
not
severe
instances
the
dangerous
and
the
vicious
terminations
are
much
more
rare.
Is.
C
P
Yes,
so
like
so,
the
determination
happens
at
the
animal
control
commissions.
Meeting
the
owner
of
those
animals
are
invited
to
attend
and
they
can
present
their
case
of
why
that
should
not
happen.
If
the
commission
hears
that
those
animals
should
be
declared
and
make
that
determination
that
can
be
appealed
in
the
civil
court
system
and
that's
the
other
change
that
happens
in
our
current
ordinance,
there
was
a
limit
of
I'm.
Sorry
I,
don't
have
I
believe
it
was
10
days
to
make
that
appeal
that
has
changed
to
60.
E
P
The
ones
we
are
currently
taking
are
from
individuals
in
the
past
when
we
had
need
for
say
puppies
to
get
people
into
our
shelter.
Just
as
a
draw,
we
would
take
some
in
from
out
accounting.
We
haven't
done
that
for
years,
because
our
numbers
are
so
high
and
we
don't
have
the
room,
so
the
ones
we
are
taking
in
are
solely
from
citizens
from
other
areas.
E
Okay,
great
so
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
the
deer
task
force
was
still
relevant,
but
my
my
question
and
I
support
I
support
this
feeding
ban
one
aspect
of
the
report
that
isn't
relevant
anymore
because
it's
been
it's
been
elaborated
on
and
described
further
by
The
Ball
State
study
is
that
Urban
deer
are
are
really
different
in
terms
of
behavior
than
deer
outside
of
the
city
that
is,
they
stay
put,
and
so
they
it's
it's
almost
like
an
island,
at
least
the
females
and
their
daughters
they
put,
and
so
it
gives
a
potential
for
control
of
those
animals.
E
The
population-
and
you
know
we-
we
concluded
that
a
lethal
approach
was
in
the
city
was
probably
impractical
for
a
variety
of
reasons.
So
there
is
a
potential
for
non-lethal
control
of
the
population,
but
first
of
all
what
we
need
to
do
is
count
them.
It
seems
that
we
need
then
to
derive
and
I
was
I
was
originally
opposed,
accounting
because
it
didn't
seem
to
be
relevant
because
they
were
migrating
in
and
out,
but
this
shows
the
Ball
State
study
shows
that
they
essentially
that
there
is
an
urban
population.
E
So
you
know
the
reducing
gear
density
results
in
a
dramatic
drop
of
of
tick
density
and
ticks
spread
disease.
So
my
question
is
next
steps:
are
we
going
to
now
proceed
to
at
least
get
a
handle
on
the
number
in
the
city,
so
we
can
have
and
have
an
idea
of
the
relative
density
and
the
potential
danger
posed
by
tick-borne
diseases.
P
So,
as
far
as
looking
at
Deer
counts
and
deer
numbers
I
do
agree
if
it's,
if
it's
the
will
of
the
the
city
and
this
Council
to
reduce
the
number
of
deer,
that
a
deer
count
is
the
first
place,
we
need
to
go
but
again,
I
I
struggle
to
to
do
account.
If
we
don't
know
exactly
why
we're
doing
the
count
so
I
agree.
If
we,
if
the
goal
is
to
reduce
the
numbers,
the
deer
count
is,
is
the
first
place
to
go
when
it
comes
to
tick-borne
diseases.
P
G
Thank
you,
Mr
salver
first
thing:
I
just
want
to
say
is
that
you
mentioned
a
token
cost
with
regard
to
monitoring
dangerous,
ambitious
animals
and
I
just
really
hate
that
term.
When
we're
talking
about
in
particularly
tax
dollars
and
money,
that's
spent
token
anything
so
I
guess
my
only
question
there
is:
do
you
estimate
that
that
actual
cost
is
higher
or
lower
or
about
right.
P
Yeah,
that's
that's
an
that's
an
excellent
question.
The
actual
cost
just
based
on
salary
of
the
animal
control
officer
and
the
amount
of
time
needed
to
do
the
checks.
The
actual
cost
is
higher
than
that.
G
Okay
and
if
a
dog
in
particular
needs
microchipped,
how
is
that
handled?
Is
that
something
that
your
office
does
or
do
we
send
them
to
a
vet
or
what's
what's
the
about
the
approximate
cost
to
the
animal's
owner
to
have
it
microchipped
yeah.
P
And
so
with
with
the
microchip,
the
cost
does
vary
a
bit
depending
on
where
it's
done.
It
is
something
that
any
vet
in
the
town
can
do
is
something
that
the
animal
shelter
does
Monroe
County
Humane
Association
also.
Does
it
and
Bloomington
Pets
Alive?
Does
it
as
well
last
checked
both
the
shelter
Bloomington
pets
live
and
Monroe
County
Humane
Association,
we
all
had
the
same
cost
was
just
fifteen
dollars.
I
will
use
this
time
to
save
anybody
with
pets
out
there.
Microchip
is
a
wonderful
thing.
P
G
No
I
totally
agree
with
you,
except
for
in
this
particular
case.
The
board
would
be
requiring
someone
to
get
their
animal
chair
correct.
So
that's
kind
of
what
so
we
we
agree.
Yeah
and,
lastly,
for
the
removal
of
animals
is,
would
you
do
we
have
to
go
to
court
for
that
or
how
was
that
handled?
Did
we
just
say
you
violated
ordinance,
Here
Comes
law
enforcement,
and
we
take
I
mean
how
does
that
happen?
That's.
P
Our
first
cases
we
do
take
the
the
determination
to
the
owner
if
there
are
any
hesitancy
in
turning
them
over
at
that
point,
normally
we
would
have
to
get
a
warrant
to
go
in
and
seize
sees
the
animal,
often
at
the
stage
because
of
what's
happened
on
the
amount
of
fines
and
fees
that
have
gone.
Often
owners
work
with
us,
but
if
not,
we
would
have
to
go
that
route.
D
Yes,
thank
you,
Mr
souter,
for
your
presentation.
The
you
said
that
the
cost
for
adoption
fees
has
not
increased
since
the
last
ordinance.
When
was
the
last
ordinance.
So
how
long
has
it
been
since
the
fees
increased.
P
Around
2010
2012.
somewhere
it
was,
it
was
prior
to
me
becoming
the
director.
So
it's
been
over
eight
years.
Okay,.
D
Q
P
Yeah,
that's
that's
an
excellent
question.
It's
one
that
we'll
have
to
kind
of
look
at
it's
the
language
of
the
ordinance,
if
kind
of
with
the
activity
of
feeding
deer
prohibits
it,
but
we
would
definitely
because
of
the
conflict,
and
if
there
is
a
conflict,
we'd
want
to
work
with
that
home
in
order
to
change
it.
So
it
might
not
be
something
that
we
would
cite,
but
it
would
be
something
we
definitely
want
to
pursue
to
work
with.
P
So
with
the
language
that's
pres,
that's
presenting
bird
feed
on
the
ground
is
excluded
from
what's
considered
food
for
deer.
So
if
it's
bird
feed
on
the
ground
that
would
not
be
considered
feeding
the
deer.
P
Yeah
no
I
I
hear
that
the
concern
is
is
having
a
because
of
a
long,
long
term,
practice
of
feeding
birds
and
how
ingrained
that
is.
We
were
attempting
to
kind
of
keep
allowing
that
to
happen.
I
can
definitely
see
that
that
problematic
and
something
that
we
definitely
would
need
to
have
a
discussion
about.
I
Thank
you
for
the
report
appreciate.
It
looks
like
these
changes
are
really
great.
Here's
here's.
My
question
for
tonight
is
in
in
your
discussion.
You
know
about
animals
in
animal
care
and
control
in
Bloomington.
I
Have
you
ever
have
you
discussed
like
dogs
that
are
that
continuously
bark
for
hours
and
hours,
and
how,
if
there's
you
know,
you
know
where's
the
well,
what
might
be
the
the
place
of
animal
care
and
control
in
Bloomington?
How
does
that
fit?
In
and
yeah.
P
Yeah,
so
there
is
in
Title
VII
there
is
public
nuisance
ordinance
and
under
that
public
nuisance
ordinance
barking
is
included.
So
it
is
something
that
my
office
does
investigate
regularly
and
work
with
people
to
stop.
P
It
is
something
that
it's
I
will
say.
It
is
something
that's
very
hard
to
enforce
and
follow
up,
because
it
does
take
the
person
making
the
complaint
to
bring
a
lot
of
evidence
forward,
because
it's
a
short
time
that
my
officers
get
there.
We
don't
always
witness
what's
going
on,
so
we
have
to
kind
of
work
through
and
sometimes
it
does
take
a
while
to
kind
of
build
a
case
and
make
change.
A
K
A
R
My
name
is
Julie
gray
and
I'm,
a
Bloomington
resident
and
a
huge
admirer
of
our
animal
shelter
and
Virgil
souter
and
I
have
actually
been
here
before
before
this
Council
talking
about
deer.
So
I
wanted
to
come
tonight
to
say
hooray
to
the
city
for
proposing
this
prohibition
on
deer
feeding,
I
think
you
may
know
the
saying
that
fed
Wildlife
our
dead
Wildlife,
it's
never
a
good
idea
to
feed
Wildlife
it
for
all
the
reasons
for
Mr
souter
mentioned.
R
So
we
we
I've,
worked
with
a
large
number
of
Animal
Advocates
here
in
the
city
on
the
deer
issue
and
on
other
animal
issues,
and
so
I
I
felt
that
we
want
to
come
here
and
say.
Thank
you
for
doing
this.
I
also
just
wanted
to
use
the
the
chance
to
reiterate
that
there
is
a
large
group
of
us
who
are
very
eager
to
work
with
the
city
on
the
deer
population,
question
and
I.
R
Think,
since
the
last
discussion
about
the
deer
kills
at
Griffey,
the
city
has
seen
that
the
kills
are
costly
and
ineffective,
and
since
that
time
there's
been
an
a
huge
number
of
cities
and
a
great
mass
of
scientific
evidence
that
indicates
that
fertility
control
is
much
more
effective
at
reducing
the
population
once
and
for
all
in
the
problem
gets
eliminated.
So
if
the
discussion
comes
up
again,
the
Animal,
Advocates
and
I
would
love
to
talk
about
it
and
reconsider
the
way.
But
this
is
a
great
evidence.
R
A
A
Q
Thank
you
for
this.
I
am
in
support
of
it.
I
would
potentially
like
to
see,
maybe
in
a
year
from
now
like
what
updates
we
need
to
make
if
any
on
this,
for
animals
eating
on
the
ground.
D
Yes,
I
just
want
to
thank
the
Animal
Care
and
Control
Commission
and
Mr
souter
and
his
staff
for
their
work
on
this
I
think
it's
it's
great
that
we
are
taking
the
very
small
step
of
banning
the
feeding
of
deer
I
would
still
recommend
if
anybody
has
neighbors
who
feed
their
deer
to
just
go
talk
with
your
neighbors.
D
Instead
of
you
know,
calling
Animal
Care
control
directly.
First,
you
know
try
just
the
neighborly
approach
and
if
that
doesn't
work,
then
animal
care
and
control
can
help.
But
I
just
talked
to
my
neighbors
today.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
we
put
out
corn
for
the
deer
and
I
said
we're
going
to
be
voting
on
this
and
I
think
it's
probably
going
to
pass
so
so
they
were
very
nice
about
it
and
said.
D
E
E
I
just
sent
a
paper
from
PubMed
to
Mr
souter
and
to
all
of
us
and
I,
have
several
more
I
think
that
confusion
May
lie
in
that
deer
are
not
directly
responsible
for
the
propagation
of
the
parasite.
The
borrelia
parasite,
which
causes
Lyme
disease,
that
is
from
rodents
and
birds
which
are
the
transmission
hosts,
but
deer
will
increase
the
prevalence
of
ticks
and
so
increases
the
probability.
E
E
E
There
is
a
legacy
effect
because
we
took
so
long
to
reduce
the
deer
density
there,
so
there
are
areas
which
won't
recover
because
they've
been
over
browsed
for
such
a
long
time,
but
I
do
find
myself
in
agreement
with
Miss
gray.
That
Bloomington
now
has
demonstrated
by
The
Ball
State
study
as
having
the
potential
for
non-lethal
approaches
in
the
city,
which
I
think
would
please
most
people
in
order
to
address
the
deer
density
problem.
If
we
have
that,
but
the
first
step
is
to
count
them
and
I
hope
that
we
move
forward
on
that
soon.
D
This
amendment
is
just
a
matter
of
using
inclusive
language.
I
noticed
some
of
the
ordinance
uses
he
or
she
and
him
her
language,
whereas
using
the
pronoun
they
there
is
more
inclusive
and
I
think
that
the
city
at
every
opportunity
to
change
language
in
our
code,
to
make
it
more
inclusive,
should
should
do
so.
So
that's
what
this
amendment
does.
So
it
would
just
be
the
chapters
that
are
part
of
the
changes
that
have
been
brought
forward
in
those
chapters.
There
would
be
a
change
wherever
it
says
he
she
or
him
her.
A
A
D
A
G
You
very
much
and
thank
you.
Mr
souter
I
still
maintain
that.
G
Uncontrolled
deer
is
a
public
health
hazard
as
well
as
a
deer
management,
Hazard
or
a
problem,
and
I
will
maintain
that
and
there
is
conflicting
data
and
and
I
get
all
that
I
mean
we've
got
academians
and
we
read
reports,
and
we
do
all
this,
but
I've
mentioned
this
before
so
I.
Don't
think
there's
any
HIPAA
violations,
but
I
was
one
of
those
people
who
innocently
got
bit
by
a
tick
and
got
Lyme
disease
caught.
G
It
early
took
medication
and
it's
okay
as
far
as
I
know,
maybe
later
in
life,
it'll
be
different,
but
it's
okay,
but
from
a
public
health
standpoint.
G
G
So
so
I
I
understand
it.
If
I
go
over
where
they
are
and
do
different
things,
then
I
know
I
increase
any
particular
take
that
they
may
have
to
be
a
part
of
me,
so
I
tend
to
avoid
and
if
I
hit
a
ball
bear
I,
don't
yeah
I've
been
down
that
road.
Don't
want
to
do
that
again,
but
that's
totally
different
than
driving
down
7th
and
Elm
by
the
Banneker,
Center
and
deer
are
coming
over
the
fence,
while
people
are
slowing
down
to
stop
and
creating
that
type
of
Hazard
as
well.
G
G
In
order
to
begin
that
conversation,
I
I
think
you
kind
of
got
the
cart
before
the
horse
or,
if
I
got
that
wrong.
Vice
versa,
so
I
think
it's
important
to
get
those
deer
counts
where
they're
migrating
to
and
do
what
we
can
to
control
Wildlife
as
far
as
their
interaction
with
humans
and
cars
and
neighborhoods
and
animals
and
dog,
and
that
sort
of
thing.
So
just
keep
that
in
mind.
If
you
will
thank
you
very
much.
C
Thank
you
I'm
in
favor
of
adjusting
fees
accordingly
to
Target
the
I
mean
this
is
another
case,
that's
sort
of
like
sanitation
like
the.
C
If
we're
not
increasing
these
fees,
then
the
burden
goes
on
people
who
taxpayers
who
basically
are
subsidizing
other
people
having
pets-
and
you
know
I-
don't
object
to
pets
at
all.
I
just
feel
like
they
should
bear
the
costs,
but
I
really
wanted
to
call
attention
to
I
mean
in
listening
to
both
Mr
souter
and
Miss
gray.
C
Talking
tonight,
I
Googled
the
word
Wildlife
on
the
city
website
and
came
across
the
page,
Bloomington
ion.gov,
animal,
hyphen,
shelter,
slash,
assistance,
slash,
wildlife
and
I
feel
like
it
would
be
in
order
for
the
animal
control
division
to
Mount
some
kind
of
a
campaign
to
promote
what
was
said
tonight
about
not
feeding
the
wildlife.
Don't
feed
the
Bears,
don't
feed
the
deer,
don't
don't
encourage
the
feeding
of
wildlife.
C
The
page
as
it
is
now
is
just
sort
of
a
don't
do
this
don't
do
this
don't
do
this
and
it
doesn't
really
explain
why
and
I
think
that
the
two
of
them
speaking
tonight
really
gave
a
good
explanation
of.
Why
and
that,
if
there
was
more
of
a
of
a
minor
campaign
targeted
to
educating
people
as
to
why
it's
bad
to
feed
Wildlife,
it
would
allow
the
rest
of
us
to
point
to
that
page
and
say
Here's.
C
Why
not
just
don't
do
this,
but
but
like
maybe
a
special
page,
maybe
with
a
a
logo
or
an
image
to
something
that
resembles
the
barest
of
PR
campaigns,
because
I
think
it's
over
overdue
that
we
find
a
way
to
finally
say
decisively.
No,
it's
not
right
to
feed
the
wildlife
I!
Think
a
lot
of
people
don't
understand
that
they
I
mean
I.
Read
in
my
social
media
feeds
all
the
time
about
people
fond
of
the
deer,
for
example,
that
they
see
in
their
yards
and
I.
C
Remember
also
a
very
dramatic
testimony
we
had
at
this
Podium
from
a
citizen
who,
whose
child
was
was
charged
by
a
deer
whose
dog
was
charged
by
a
deer
that
you
know
I
mean
we
have
both
both
sides
of
it.
But
in
the
end,
it's
not
doing
the
deer
or
the
wildlife
any
good
to
feed
them.
That's
just
not
not
clear
here
and
for
those
people
who
are
you
know,
animal
rights
woke,
you
might
say
you
know
there
really
ought
to
be
more
of
the.
C
Why,
on
this
page,
if
not
a
separate
page,
that's
just
encouraging
people
or
explaining
to
people
why
this
is
the
right
policy.
So,
having
said
that,
I'm
very
supportive
of
the
ordinance
and
I'm
very
glad
that
after
many
many
many
years
of
debate
over
dear
customer
Rallo
can
certainly
attest
to
how
long
we've
been
talking
about
it
15
years.
Is
it
at
least
15
years.
D
C
A
We
have
no
legislation
for
first
reading
this
evening,
so
that
takes
us
to
our
second
of
two
periods
of
public
comment.
If
I
could
I'd
like
to
see
a
show
of
hands
and
Chambers
of
who
would
like
to
offer
comment
and
Mr
Lucas,
can
you
extend
our
invitation
on
Zoom.
K
K
One
reminder
the
council
does
not
have
a
scheduled
meeting
next
Wednesday.
Your
next
scheduled
meeting
is
Monday
August
28th.
That's
the
beginning
of
the
departmental
budget
hearings.
This
year,
we've
scheduled
those
meetings
to
begin
at
5,
30
PM.
That's
a
slight
change
from
past
practice,
I
believe
in
the
past.
We've
we've
started
at
six,
so
please
remember
that
new
time
those
will
be
four
nights
that
week,
the
28th
through
the
31st
and
budget
books
are
scheduled
to
be
released
by
the
end
of
next
week
from
the
controller's
office.