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D
A
You
and
to
summarize
this
evening's
agenda,
we
will
have
approved
no
approval
of
minutes
this
evening.
We
will
then
move
to
reports
for
council
members
and
the
mayor
and
city
offices.
There
will
be
two
reports
this
evening,
one
on
the
accessible
transportation
and
Mobility
principles
alongside
80,
alongside
Ada
transition
plan
resolution,
and
then
we
will
be
hearing.
A
The
annual
report
from
the
Bloomington
Commission
on
sustainability
and
Council
committees
will
be
next
followed
by
our
first
opportunity
for
public
comment,
and
then
we
will
move
into
appointments
to
boards
and
commissions
and
I
do
know
that
we
have
at
least
one
this
evening.
Legislation
for
second
readings
and
resolutions
begins
with
resolution
22-29
to
approve
an
update
to
the
city
of
bloomington's
Americans
with
Disability
Act
transition
plan.
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A
Next
ordinance,
22-37
to
amend
the
city
of
Bloomington
zoning
maps
by
adding
the
transform,
Redevelopment
overlay
tro
to
certain
below
described
property.
And
then
the
last
ordinance
22-39
will
not
be
introduced
at
the
request
of
the
staff
and
that
would
would
have
been
to
amend
Title
II
of
the
Bloomington
Municipal
Code,
entitled
Administration
and
Personnel
regarding
creation
of
joint
City
County
Human,
Rights,
Commission
and
transfer
from
chapter
2.21
Department
of
Law
to
chapter
2.23,
community
and
family
resources.
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D
E
A
F
Yeah
I'll
just
know
that
I
appreciate
it
councilmember
Allah,
making
the
motion
and
I
had
reached
out
to
colleagues
earlier
this
week
with
some
concern
about
our
ability
to
get
to
that
legislation
tonight
at
falling
last
among
items
slated
for
second
reading,
and
given
that
we
went
to
11
45
PM
last
week
have
additional
things
on
the
schedule
this
week.
Also
noting
that
one
one
example
of
a
project
that
that
ordinance
would
cover
Through
the
the
Greenways
program,
the
Hawthorne
Weatherstone
project
is
sort
of
still
in
process.
F
There's
a
meeting
I
believe
tomorrow
night
for
the
to
review,
proposed,
Greenway,
designs
and
and
address
updates,
and
that
sort
of
thing
so
I
thought
we
might
be
better
served
by
considering
this
sometime
early
in
the
next
year,
which
I
think
is
the
intent
by
removing
it
from
the
agenda
tonight.
Thank
you.
A
G
A
I
Yes,
thank
you
just
a
reminder
that
my
last
constituent
meeting
of
2022
will
be
held
this
coming,
Saturday
December
10th
11
to
12
via
Zoom.
It
will
be
only
via
Zoom
this
time.
Last
time
I
was
in
the
McCloskey
room
here
at
City,
Hall
and
nobody
joined
me.
So
I
think
that
some
people
did
join
online,
so
I
think
that,
especially
since
the
Farmers
Market
has
ended
for
the
year,
a
zoom
only
meeting
was
a
sensible
thing
to
do
so.
I
The
link
to
that
is
on
the
city
council
website
and
if
you
click
on
either
the
calendar
on
the
right
or
you
can
click
on
my
name
and
get
to
my
web
page
and
get
the
link
that
way
so
I
hope
to
see
a
special
residents
from
District
Five.
Thank
you.
F
Similarly,
my
final
constituent
meeting
of
the
year
is
going
to
be
on
Monday
December
19th
third
Mondays,
like
usual,
5
30
p.m
via
Zoom.
You
can
get
the
link
to
that
address
on
the
city,
council,
calendar,
bloomington.in.gov,
Council
and
click
on
the
calendar
or
look
at
the
sidebar,
where
I
think
upcoming
events
are
also
displayed,
and
one
other
thing
I
wanted
to
bring
up
tonight
is
a
proposal
for
my
colleagues.
F
An
idea
I've
been
thinking
about
for
a
little
while
now,
which
is
that
I
think
we
should
form
a
special
committee
to
consider
rules
and
administration
issues.
We
at
one
point
had
a
rules
committee
before
my
time
on
the
council
and
then
for
a
brief
time,
had
a
standing
committee.
That
was
the
administration
committee
as
well,
whether
or
not
it's
a
standing
form
or
special
I,
don't
think
is
really
material,
but
I
do
think
it
would
behoove
us
to
form
a
committee
to
proactively
address
a
variety
of
administrative
issues.
F
So
there
are
at
least
five
areas
that
I
wanted
to
bring
up
that
I
think
warrant.
This
sort
of
proactive
committee
work
and
I'll
briefly
cover
those
but
I'd,
be
open
to
ideas.
For
my
colleagues
as
well
as
well
as
Council
staff,
City
staff
clerk's
office
about
you
know
what
types
of
things
we
should
cover
if
a
committee
is
formed.
First
is
just
our
legislative
process
generally,
so
you
know
no
secret
to
any
of
us.
F
Obviously
that
the
last
few
years
we've
had
a
lot
of
discussions
and
differences
of
opinion
among
council
members
about
the
optimal
way
and
to
handle
our
business
and
in
service
of
the
public
and
I.
Think
a
committee
is
probably
the
best
way
to
try
to
make
progress
on
some
of
the
differences
on
substantive
issues.
F
So
you
know
briefly
the
annual
schedule
that
we'll
discuss
later
tonight,
I
worked
with
councilmember
Piedmont
Smith
and
Council
attorney
Lucas
to
develop
an
alternative
that
would
consider
using
regular
sessions
instead
of
Committee
of
the
whole,
with
the
goal
of
addressing
some
of
what
I
see
as
as
challenges
with
them,
efficiency,
public
records
and
some
staff
and
public
confusion
with
with
use
of
committee
the
whole.
But
you
know,
regardless
of
where
we
land
on
an
annual
schedule,
I
think
again
taking
the
time
to
work
through
those
issues
inviting
the
public
to
provide
input.
F
That
sort
of
thing
would
be
really
helpful
for
all
of
us.
Similarly,
we've
had
some
I
think
good
discussions
during
Council
schedule,
discussions
on
the
City
Council
meetings
about
like
work
sessions
and
some
of
the
pros
and
cons
what
we're
trying
to
accomplish
with
them.
Some
of
the
potential
pitfalls
with
them
I
think
similarly
working
through.
That
would
be
helpful.
So
all
these
legislative
process
type
of
questions
could
be
tackled
by
a
committee.
F
Second,
is
building
on
training
and
work
from
the
center
of
priority
inclusion
and
the
training
they
did
with
with
City
staff
and
with
council
members
working
on
some
way
to
embed
a
racial
and
social
Equity
analysis
into
our
legislative
process.
So
there's
no
shortage
of
cities
and
organizations
out
there
working
on
this
type
of
thing.
For
instance,
the
governmental
governmental
Alliance
on
race
and
Equity
has
a
racial
Equity
toolkit
aimed
at
operationalizing
equity.
F
Etc
third
is
board
in
commission
reform,
so
we
had
a
report
earlier
this
year
from
the
Novak
Consulting
Group
after
their
pretty
extensive
review
of
the
city's
board
and
commission
process,
how
many
we
have
how
folks
are
appointed
and
serve
how
it's
administered
that
that
in
particular,
would
definitely
need
to
involve
the
clerk's
office
in
discussing
so
they
could
be
a
Committee
Member
or
they
could
just
be
invited
on
on
topics
of
Interest,
obviously
working
with
City
staff
as
well
to
try
to
address.
F
Fourth
is
a
comprehensive
Title
II
update
of
some
kind
I
think
there's
no
shortage
of
of
cleanups
that
are
needed
in
that
title
and
doing
that
in
a
systematic
and
comprehensive
way
would
probably
be
helpful.
A
lot
of
the
other
topics
I've
talked
about
that
a
committee
could
tackle
would
probably
lead
to
Title
II
updates
and,
finally,
another
area
I
think
we
could
work
on.
F
Similarly,
I
I,
you
know
wonder
about
Council
processes
generally
and
how
we
work
with
staff,
how
we
reach
out
to
folks
in
the
community
if
there's
ways,
we
can
improve
that
and
we'll
be
open
to
ideas
from
colleagues
from
the
public
around
that.
So
those
are
some
of
my
ideas
that
a
standing
committee
could
tackle.
F
That's
a
already
a
large
list
of
things
it
might
take
a
year
or
two
honestly
to
work
through
all
that,
but
we
could
prioritize
work
and
I
think
make
some
meaningful
progress
in
a
way
that
would
have
buy-in
among
council
members
I
think
in
particular,
given
the
the
legislative
process,
diversity
of
opinions
on
the
council,
it
would
be
useful
if
that
committee
had
probably
four
people
on
it
and
two
folks
with
two
each
with
with
opposing
sort
of
views
around
the
the
committee
question
in
particular,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
I
think
involving
the
clerk
and
and
Council
and
City
staff
regularly
in
those
would
be.
F
D
G
A
A
We
were
all
very
stunned
to
hear
it
and
again
that
celebration
of
life
would
be
will
be
one
celebration
that
will
be
four
o'clock
at
the
Woolery
Mill,
and
so
many
of
us
are
certainly
looking
forward
to
gather
and
commemorate
that
very
joyful
life
that
was
Janiece
Jaffe,
also
marking
the
passing
of
Larry
Jacobs
in
our
community,
who
many
of
us
were
very
familiar
with
when
he
was
the
liaison
here
in
Chambers
from
the
for
the
Chamber
of
Commerce,
and
it
is
very
sad
to
mark
his
passing
as
well.
L
K
Okay
greetings:
my
name
is
Michael
Charmers
I'm,
the
a
special
project,
one
of
the
special
project
coordinators
in
the
council
in
the
community
and
family
resources
department
and
tonight
I'm
in
the
role
of
the
staff
liaison
for
the
council
for
Community
accessibility.
K
So
we're
going
to
start
with
the
transition
plan
and
then
talk
more
about
the
principles.
I'll
have
a
another
presenter
will
come
up
and
talk
more
about
that.
So
the
a
transition
plan,
an
ADA
transition
plan,
is
for
governmental
entities
of
over
50
people.
They
need
to
have
a
plan
on
how
they
will
try
to
move
towards
making
the
community
more
accessible
and
specifically
things
in
the
city
itself.
Since
that's
what
they're
responsible
for
so.
I
K
Well,
I
was
going
to
do
it.
The
in
the
context
of
doing
the
transition
plan
is
the
internal
thing
for
the
city
and
the
the
principles
as
the
external
part,
and
so
we
were
going
to
start
with
the
plan
and
even
though
the
principles
are
inside
the
plan,
explain
them
more.
So
it's
not
like.
We
were
voting
on
the
plan
until
later.
So
that's
why
we
were
starting.
That
way
is
that,
okay
or
and.
K
A
K
Thank
you,
yeah
no
problem,
as
I
was
saying,
a
plan
is
required
to
try
to
move
a
city
towards
a
full
ADA
compliance.
It's
probably
never
achieved
achievable,
but
we
should
always
be
talking
about
it.
It
is
a
joint
effort
amongst
many
departments,
and
especially
I'll,
just
name
planning
and
transportation,
engineering,
Public,
Works,
Parks
and
Rec,
and
in
the
compilation
of
this
plan,
which
I
might
have
done
the
heavy
lifting,
but
the
wisdom
was
a
Barbara
McKinney
from
legal.
K
So
I
would
like
to
share
that
effort
with
her
that
we
put
forth
to
get
this
all
done.
So
the
plan
itself
is
the
idea
is
to
present
the
data
we
haven't
done
one
since
2014,
so
it
is
a
little
more
filled
with
data
than
it
usually
is.
So
you
can
see
most
of
that
data
in
the
back
part
of
the
plan
where
it
says
how
many
curb
ramps
we're
doing.
K
How
many
you
know,
traffic
lights
were
installing
how
much
you
know,
parks
and
recs
facilities
that
are
becoming
like
more
Parks
becoming
accessible
in
trails,
and
things
like
that.
We
chose
to
move
it
there
because
we
have
used
a
lot
of
the
plan
to
focus
on
people,
and
so
this
is
a
change
in
a
way.
Our
plan
is
done
and
actually
most
plans
out
there
as
well.
K
K
K
When
I
asked
several
questions,
they
were
willing
to
talk
to
me
further
individually
and
when
I
showed
them
our
plan
in
the
process
of
it,
they
had
some
suggestions
and
when
we
did
all
those
suggestions
tried
to
respond
to
their
suggestions.
They
then
asked
me
to
come
and
present
as
a
model
transition
plan
and
so
I,
along
with
Framingham
Massachusetts
and
Oakbrook
Illinois,
presented
on
our
transition
plans
and
got
a
lot
of
kudos
for
the
style
and
structure
of
it,
so
that
was
kind
of
a
good
feeling.
K
I'd
prefer
just
to
answer
any
questions
that
the
council
has
about
the
plan
itself.
Rather
than
trying
to
go
right
anything
we
can
pull
up
the
plan
itself
online.
If
people
want
to
see
it
and
want
to
have
more
questions,
it
is
available
to
the
general
public
under
the
website
bloomingtonindia.gov
website
at
slash
accessible.
You
can
see
this
plan
and
the
previous
plan
too,
so
anybody
can
download
it
and
look
at
it.
So
I'm
I'll
I'll,
move
to
the
next
part
of
the
presentation.
K
Unless
there
are
questions
about
the
plan
itself,
all.
K
Okay,
that
was
that
was
really
simple.
Thanks
and
I'll
jump
up
potentially
to
help
Deborah
Meyerson.
She
is
the
been
the
chair
for
the
committee
that
has
worked
on
the
accessible
transportation
and
Mobility
principles
they're
inside
this
plan.
As
a
as
an
attempt
to
try
to
explain
what
we
feel
policy
ought
to
be
about
about.
M
K
D
N
N
The
timing
is
excellent.
I
I
know
that
these
are
technically
included
in
the
transition
plan,
but
really
these
principles
are
about
above
and
beyond
what
the
transition
plan
alone
can
do,
and
it's
really
something
that
is
to
advance
widespread
inclusion
for
decision
making,
and
it
really
will
be
a
significant
Innovation
frankly
nationally
in
addition
to
what
it
can
accomplish
for
Bloomington
before
I
talk
about
the
plan
itself
or
the
principles
itself,
I'm
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
why
I
got
involved.
With
this.
N
Some
of
you
may
know,
my
son
Samuel
Dove,
he's
often
an
active
member
on
Council
meetings,
but
this
is
about
advancing
Transportation
equity
and
there's
a
picture
of
him
he's
now
almost
20..
This
is
a
picture
of
him
when
he
was
two.
He
has
intellectual
development
disabilities.
N
Some
Mobility
challenges
as
well
that
reverse
Walker
was
how
he
learned
to
walk
and
when
he
first
got
it
when
he
was
two,
he
got
more
comfortable
with
it
and
he
we
lived
near
First
Street
near
first
in
eagleson
and
one
day
he
just
decided
to
go
for
a
walk,
and
fortunately
we
live
along
First
Street
that
has
continuous
sidewalks
and
I
didn't
know
where
he
wanted
to
go.
N
N
He
had
the
independence
offered
by
that
little
Walker
and
by
those
sidewalks
to
get
to
Bryant
Park
and
again
it
was
safe
and
it
was
awesome
and
I
had
to
carry
him
home
because
the
energy
he
had
was
for
one
way,
but
it
was
really
exciting.
N
N
He
could
not
travel
on
the
sidewalk,
so
we
were
kind
of
stuck
in
the
middle
of
the
street
either
having
to
go
back
to
the
corner
to
cross
across
in
the
middle
of
the
street,
and
I
was
really
astounded
as
to
why
this
was
not
accessible.
So
that
kind
of
got
me
thinking
more
about
accessibility
in
the
community.
N
So
the
purpose
of
the
accessible
transportation
and
Mobility
principles,
one
to
guide
how
the
city
of
Bloomington
plans
and
implements
accessible
transportation
and
Mobility
considerations
for
persons
with
disabilities
and
in
particular,
to
inform
city-wide
improvements
in
development
of
public
spaces,
so
that
legislation
and
infrastructure
truly
reflect
the
needs
of
our
diverse
community,
so
that
boards
commissions
council
members
can
help
make
decisions.
With
this
in
mind,
not
just
thinking
about
people
with
disabilities,
but
so
people
with
disabilities
are
at
the
table
as
part
of
that
decision
making.
N
So
we
did
this
under
the
rubric
of
the
council
for
Community
accessibility
as
Michael
shermis
so
presented
for,
and
this
is
a
volunteer
group
that
advocates
for
the
interest
of
people
with
disabilities.
In
particular,
I
got
involved
with
a
transportation
Mobility
Workshop
that
some
council
members
I
know
attended
in
June
2021.
That
was
about
increasing
pedestrian
accessibility
for
all
and
had
some
pedestrian
walk
audits
as
part
of
it,
and
that
was
also
very
Illuminating.
N
To
do
the
actual
principles
we
were
able
to
get
an
award
from
a
complete
streets,
technical
assistance
award,
even
though
this
is
not
technically
complete
streets.
But
it's
hopefully
will
help
support
any
complete
streets
efforts
that
the
city
does,
but
it's
from
Health
by
Design,
which
is
a
Statewide
organization,
focused
on
active
transportation,
and
we
had
support
from
two
of
their
staff
members,
which
was
really
helpful
for
our
year
of
meetings
and
trying
to
iron
out
what
should
this
look
like
and
how
can
it
exist?
N
And
then
we
have
our
steering
committee.
Michael
said:
I
was
a
chair
of
that
Michael.
It
was
great
to
have
him
as
staff,
and
then
we
have
our
other
members,
Michelle
Han,
Kristen,
King,
James,
McCleary,
Michelle,
moss
and
Barbara
Salisbury,
who
also
participated
in
this,
and
then
this
was
a
collaborative
effort.
N
Again
we
had
council
members,
we
consulted
with
the
mayor's
office
department
heads
really
to
get
feedback
on,
because
these
are
the
bodies
that
are
going
to
be
part
of
the
decision
making
for
this,
and
we
wanted
feedback
to
make
sure
that
the
principles
as
they
were
finalized
reflected
the
different
interests
and
concerns.
N
So
I'm
going
to
Quick
present
the
principles,
one
adopt
inclusive
processes.
We
need
an
equitable
process
that
includes
people
with
disabilities
at
the
table
and
seeks
meaningful
info
input
and
a
fully
inclusive
process
seeking
Equitable
outcomes,
an
equity-based,
Transportation
Network
and
connecting
people
with
disabilities
to
places
where
they
can
live
work
and
play
again.
Think
about
that
Independence.
My
son
is
not
going
to
drive
a
car
right.
N
He
needs
someone
to
drive
him
places
he
likes
to
take
the
bus
he
likes
to
walk
places
and
we
need
to
have
access
to
those
different
opportunities
number
three
pursuing
planning.
This
is
again
tying
into
the
88
transition
plan,
which,
as
Michael
noted
details
how
the
city
is
going
to
ensure
that
its
Facility
Services
Etc
are
accessible
to
individuals,
but
this
is
not
sufficient
by
itself,
and
that
is
why
we've
developed
these
principles,
because
that
has
certain
limitations
that
we
really
need
to
look
more
broadly
than
that
prioritizing
safe
access.
N
Often
you
know,
different
decisions
are
made
about
how
to
weigh
speed
access
safety
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
design
and
repair
are
really
reducing
risk
for
the
most
vulnerable
users
and
finally,
number
five,
anticipating
and
Reporting
impacts.
How
do
we
know
if
it's
working
right?
This
is
really
the
beginning
of
a
conversation.
It's
not
done,
adopt
it
and
hey
we're
Don
it's.
How
do
we
do
this?
How
do
we
figure
this
out
and
so
evaluating?
Are
the
decisions
we're
making
actually
helping?
N
How
do
we
review
and
refine
these
principles
as
they're
being
implemented
and
periodically
review
that
there
are
more
in
the
principles?
I
certainly
hope
that
you
will
look
at
the
full
principles
and
document
includes
recommendations,
examples
of
accessibility
and
complete
streets
policies,
of
which
there's
not
that
much
there's
just
a
couple,
but
the
ones
that
are
out
there
are
quite
good
glossary
resources,
really
a
whole
bunch
of
additional
information
that
will
be
helpful
to
help
Implement
these
principles
and
finally,
I'll
leave
you
with
next
steps.
N
I
really
encourage
and
would
support
the
councils
to
adopt
and
Implement
these
principles
again.
The
Ada
transition
plan
is
a
federally
required
document.
This
is
an
add-on
that
is
really
important
to
really
establish
the
transportation
Equity
I
started
out
with
so
I
appreciate
your
time
tonight
and
I
would
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
either
tonight
or
offline.
Thank
you
right.
G
Yes,
thanks
for
the
reports
very
interesting
I'm
looking
forward
to
digging
into
it
in
some
more
detail
but
I
wonder
if
you
could
go
back
to
the
slide
number
four.
You
talked
about
ensuring
safe
access,
and
you
know
you
showed
an
example
of
a
sidewalk
that
wasn't
particularly
contemplated
I'm
a
priority.
That's
what
a
prioritize
safe
access!
Can
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
example,
an
example
or
two
of
how
this
is
not
being
prioritized
now
sure.
N
Well,
one
that
picture
is
one
example:
it's
maybe
not
the
most
Salient
one
I'm
actually
going
to
Quick
go
back
to
a
different
photograph.
That
would
show
the
example
this
Photograph
road
construction
ahead.
That's
in
the
middle
of
a
sidewalk,
so
it's
important
that
drivers
know
that
road
construction
is
ahead,
but
take
a
look
next
time.
You
see
a
road
construction
sign.
Where
are
they
putting
that
right?
Sometimes
it
might
be
in
the
road,
but
that
might
get
in
Driver's
Way.
N
G
G
L
N
N
I'm
not
sure
why
those
sandbags
were
there,
that
is
on
Second,
Street
I,
believe,
and
it
was
just
you
know
you
can
see
the
sidewalk's
a
mess
anyway.
It's
like.
O
N
Old
driveway
and
I
don't
know
if
that
was
to
channel
you
know,
flooding
or
something
I'm,
not
sure
who
put
them
there.
Why
they're
there
I
just
know
that
they're
there
and
it
makes
what's
already
not
the
most.
You
know
accessible
sidewalk,
even
a
little
more
challenging
so
I,
don't
know
the
origin
of
why
the
same
eggs
are
there,
though,.
I
Yes,
thank
you.
Ms
Myerson
and
Mr
Sherman
I
want
to
ask
with
the
the
accessible
Transportation
principles
that
you
just
reviewed.
I
N
Certainly,
enforcement
discussed
yeah.
Certainly
is
you
know
one
of
the
many
things
that
can
block
sidewalks
right,
I
mean
I
mean
because
I
think
there's
another
photo
in
here.
That's
of
just
trash
bins,
right,
trash,
bins,
mailboxes,
so
scooters
are
certainly
an
important
consideration
because
that's
a
newer
right.
N
We've
had
trash
bins
out
for
a
while
and
mailboxes
have
been
in
that
way
for
a
while,
and
there
are
definitely
ways
to
manage
scooters
and
that
again
comes
down
to
safety,
absolutely
right
of
who's
prior,
whose
safety
are
we
prioritizing
depending
and
I,
certainly
know
the
council.
Members
are
carefully
thinking
about
scooters
right
now
and
how
to
manage
that
I
think
there's
probably
great
examples
from
different
parts
of
the
country.
You
know
because
everybody's
dealing
with
this
stuff
for
scooters
and,
generally
speaking,
I
think
it's
about.
I
I
know
your
your
committee
was
working
on
guidelines,
more
more
policy
recommendations,
but
did
you
discuss
any
if
we,
if
we
do
switch
over
to
the
trash
bins,
which
you
know,
we've
known
that
that's
that's
been
around
and
has
been
problematic
for
decades?
Do
you
know
of
any
cities?
Did
you
have
a
chance
to
investigate
what
other
cities
do
as
far
as
placement
of
trash
bins?
That's.
N
Not
something
that
we
looked
into
in
the
sense
of
you
know:
I
again,
I
would
love
to
like
get
into
the
next
level
of
things,
but
we
really
were
looking
at
the
bigger
thing
of
when
that
question
comes
up
who's
answering
it.
How
do
they?
How
do
we
hear
about
different
experiences
of
people?
Who've
done
that?
N
Because
there
are
some
sidewalks,
as
we
all
know,
that
are
perfectly
clear
six
days
a
week
right
and
then
that
seventh
day
comes
or
you're
like
wow,
that's
a
little
bit
of
an
obstacle
course,
and
so
thinking
about
that
question.
Just
it's
about
the
decision-making
process.
How
do
we
get
people
at
the
table
so
that
we're
accurately
reflecting
a
variety
of
needs?
N
I
Thank
you
I
think,
that's
something
that
we
should
participate.
D
Thank
you,
I
was
going
to
ask
you
a
similar
question,
but
also
about
a
policy
that
we
changed
some
years
ago
about
putting
bicycle,
allowing
bicycles
on
sidewalks.
So
I've
met
a
couple.
People
who
have
had
collisions
with
bicycles,
bicycle
collided
with
them.
One
one
was
very,
very
seriously
hurt.
D
N
N
Again,
I
think
that's
a
really
important
consideration.
I
would
kind
of
defer
it
to
the
next
level
of
policy.
Making
of
these
are
questions
that
are
important
and
I'm.
I
really
appreciate
that
they're
being
raised
right
now.
I
would
encourage
adopting
the
principles
as
a
way
to
help
guide
the
answers.
Those
questions
in
a
way
that's
different.
N
So
like
back
to
the
historic
sidewalk,
for
example,
you
know
when
we
had
that
experience,
I,
went
and
filled
out
a
new
report
right
and
I
saw
that
in
2017
a
similar
you
report
had
been
filled
out
exactly
on
the
inaccessibility
of
that
sidewalk.
But
at
the
time
the
voices
that
were
heard
were
more
about
it's
historic
and
again.
N
I
understand
that
point
of
view,
but
that
was
it
seemed
like
from
the
notes
that
I
saw
the
primary
point
of
view
that
was
heard
of
why
it
should
be
kept
as
a
historic
sidewalk,
not
why
it's
a
hazard
for
people
who
may
not
be
fully
able-bodied
to
Traverse
person.
So
it's
having
the
conversations
with
everybody
there
so
that
one
questions
about
bicycles
or
scooters,
Etc
come
up
or
really
hearing
from
the
people
who
again
those
most
vulnerable
users
who
are
most
dependent
on
different
modes
of
transportation
that
are
made
especially
not
car
based
so.
C
Thank
you
so
much
for
the
report,
Mr
service
and
Ms
Meyerson.
It
was
great
I'm,
so
glad
that
it's
here
and
and
it's
out
here,
my
question
is
related
to
you
know
the
transportation
access
is
there
and
I
didn't
read
the
report
yet
so
is
there
a
list
of
priorities
in
it
related
to
you
know,
perhaps
sidewalks
that
need
desperately
need
repair.
N
K
K
I
leave
that
to
the
expertise
of
my
fellow
staff
in
planning
and
transportation
and
Engineering
who
are
trying
to
determine
that
they've
made
it
really
clear
to
myself
and
the
council
numerous
times
if
there
are
high
priority,
Pathways
or
path
of
travel
that
people
of
disabilities
use
that
are
in
disrepair
in
any
way.
Please
let
them
know
as
soon
as
possible,
so
they
can
attempt
to
address
those
things
and
over
the
years
of
having
been
at
the
city
now
for
almost
89
years,
it
is
a
much
better
than
it
ever
used
to
be.
K
K
And
I
will
say:
I'm
just
going
to
throw
this
out
there
right
off.
There
is
always
concern
when
you
implement
new
policy.
That
is
not
perfectly
spelled
out
and
you
can
make
the
argument.
Of
course,
this
isn't
perfectly
spelled
out
we're
picking
the
high
road
and
picking
the
bigger
picture,
and
it
is
up
to,
of
course,
the
the
council
to
determine
how
this
gets
done.
K
There
is
often
fear
amongst
staff
when
that
gets
done,
what
that
means
for
them
in
terms
of
time
and
Staffing,
and
that
has
been
a
concern
that
we've
heard
along
the
way
working
on
the
principles,
and
we
have
tried
to
address
that
along
the
way
and
I
know
that,
theoretically,
the
staff
isn't
very
much
behind
the
principles
and
how
it
gets
implemented
is
another
step,
of
course,
and
they're
they're
willing
but
they're
concerned,
and
so
I
just
want
you
all
to
know
that
that
it
is
something
that
is
in
discussion
on
a
regular
basis.
K
Just
had
a
meeting
last
week
about
this
all
and
we're
still
talking
about
it,
and
we
keep
saying
it's
up
to
the
council
how
this
gets
figured
out
and
in
conversations
further,
along
with
the
staff
in
terms
of
how
it
gets
implemented.
So
we'll
we'll
continue
to
work
with
them
and
you
about
how
to
do
that.
H
Thank
you,
Mr
Sherman
and
Miss
Myerson
for
the
report
and,
like
my
colleague,
I,
haven't,
read
the
report
yet
so
I'm
looking
forward
to
it.
But
one
thing:
I
didn't
really
hear
a
lot
about
tonight.
As
far
as
accessibility
issues
are
simply
areas
where
we
don't
have
sidewalks
at
all.
So
has
that
part
of
your
focus
of
with
this
committee
and
work
you've
done
yeah.
K
I
mean
we,
we
talked
frequently
we're
planning
and
transportation
trying
to
identify
hot
spots
where
it
would
really
nice
be
nice
to
have
new
sidewalks.
If
you
want
an
example
of
that,
the
north
McDonald's
on
as
you're
going
out
on
Walnut
out
of
town
There's,
an
area
along
there,
that
has
no
sidewalks
that
people
with
disabilities
and
other
have
said:
why
isn't
there
a
good
trans?
K
H
K
L
K
There
is
a
the
fiscal,
you
know
that
people
always
say
well.
How
much
will
this
cost
and
it's
like
we,
you
know
in
terms
of
the
trend,
the
transition
plan.
It
would
be
minimal
in
terms
of
trying
to
get
the
next
step
for
a
lot
of
those
things
yeah.
It's
you
know,
we've
got
to
have
budget
determination
for
where
that,
where
those
funds
go-
and
that
is
definitely
above
my
pay
grade,
so
it's
definitely
in
the
realm
of
the
engineering
planning,
Transportation
people,
it's
a
real
defer
to
them.
For
that.
J
Thank
you,
too,
for
the
presentation.
I
am
excited
about
this
and
just
wanted
to
ask
some
questions
about
principle.
One
adopt
an
inclusive
process.
I
know
this
is
like
where
you
are
in
the
process
right
now.
But
what
do
you
think
that
looks
like
I
I
guess
over
time,
just
the
whole
the
whole,
the
first
bullet
established
an
equitable
process.
Do
you
think
that
might
be
like
I
think
something
useful
would
be
like
a
series
of
questions
for
people
like
us
to
ask
and
to
like
run
through
a
lens
or
a
filter.
N
Well,
my
my
wish
list,
which
is
you
know
in
terms
of
my
vision,
is
I-
would
love
to
see
the
principles
as
a
whole
put
into
a
resolution
so
that
there
is
legislative
clout
behind
it
so
that
again,
when
different
boards
commissions,
when
legislation
comes
before
Council,
there
is
an
opportunity
to
feed.
In
that
perspective
of
how
is
this
affecting
people
with
disabilities
on
a
regular
basis?
There
are
certainly
other
ways
that
the
principles
could
be
adopted
or
implemented.
N
J
Thanks
and
I
think
that
is
good
and
I
think
what
Mr
Sherman
spoke
to
a
little
bit
too
was
like
in
when
you
talk
about
it
in
theory,
a
lot
of
people
can
be
on
board
with
it
and
it
is
harder
than
to
implement
in
practice,
if
you
don't
have
potentially
some
of
those
pieces
like
questions
to
ask
or
like
data
to
to
use
I
guess
to
get
to
get
to
that
point,
that's
not
a
question.
Thank
you.
I
Madam
chair
is
a
comment.
Welcome
as
well
at
this
point
of
this
question.
I
just
wanted
to
say:
I
I
really
appreciate
the
the
document
on
the
accessibility
principles
for
transportation.
I
I've
been
looking
through
it
and
the
indicators
on
accessibility
does
have
some
suggested
examples
of
how
we
could
measure
how
well
we
are
doing,
and
those
are
really
interesting
to
me-
and
some
of
those
do
refer
back
to
the
comprehensive
plan
and
that
some
of
what
our
goals
are
in
accessibility
and
transportation
can
be
tied
directly
to
goals
and
determined
in
the
comprehensive
plan.
So
I
always
like
to
see
that,
because
that
document
was
so
well
vetted
and
you
know
really
should
be
our
guiding
document
for
many
many
things,
including
this.
A
Q
All
right
is
my
mic
still
on
indeed
evening:
council,
members
and
staff
members
of
the
public.
My
name
is
Joseph
winnia
and
I
am
co-chair
of
the
Bloomington
Commission
on
sustainability
and
I
am
very
pleased
and
grateful
for
the
opportunity
to
present
our
report
to
you
this
evening.
This
would
normally
be
an
annual
report,
but
given
the
Hiatus
on
reporting
that
took
place
over
the
more
virtual
years,
this
has
instead
become
the
aptly
named
2021
and
2022
report.
Q
Q
Or
in
a
moment
is
my
clicker
active
got
it?
Thank
you
all
right.
So
I
would
like
to
start
by
recognizing
those
who
are
presently
serving
and
who
have
served
on
the
commission
During
the
period
of
this
report.
While
it
may
not
be
immediately
obvious
in
the
list
presented
about
half
of
the
current
members
have
served
for
both
years.
So
we
have
had
good
continuity
during
this
period
and
we
have
also
had
a
good
staggering
as
members
transition
in
and
out
of
the
commission.
Q
So
I
am
equally
as
grateful
for
our
Council
appointed
ex-officio
council
member
Flaherty,
who
has
routinely
provided
us
updates
with
Council
updates
or
I'm.
Sorry
updates
with
Council
legislation
and
graciously
advised
us
on
a
number
of
Technical
and
procedural
matters
and
also
participated
in
our
discussions
and
decisions
on
the
commission.
Q
So,
looking
back
over
the
past
two
years,
there
have
been
three
principal
achievements.
First,
in
early
2021,
the
waste
reduction
working
group
conducted
a
survey
among
multi-family
housing
units
to
determine
the
excuse
me
to
study
barriers
to
recycling
services,
as
well
as
determining
management
stances
around
on-site
composting.
So
there
were
responses
from
50
properties
and
among
the
respondents,
65
percent
indicated
that
cost
was
the
inhibitor
for
recycling
and
10
percent
indicated
that
on-site
composting
was
permitted.
Q
So
the
second
thing
that
was
achieved
was
that
the
commission
passed
a
housing
first
resolution
in
February
of
2021,
and
it
urged
the
mayor,
in
collaboration
with
Council,
to
conduct
a
feasibility
study
and
subsequently
develop
a
housing
first
plan.
It
also
called
for
work
with
stakeholders
to
identify
and
address
barriers
to
achieving
housing
stability
for
all
residents
and
to
identify
and
consider
sources
for,
and
beneficiaries
of,
the
rising
housing
costs.
Q
After
the
presentation,
there
were
a
total
of
12
in-person
attendees,
41
virtual,
and
there
were
17
online
surveys
that
were
completed
after
the
event
and
while
those
do
Remain
the
most
notable
achievements,
I
would
also
like
to
make
mention
that
the
commission
has,
during
this
period,
spoken
to
council
during
the
2021
budget
hearings
completed
an
internal
Roberts
rules,
training
updated
our
bylaws
to
update
and
improve
our
procedures.
Q
So,
after
looking
back
to
review
our
achievements,
we
looked
forward
to
organize
and
set
up
a
plan
for
our
next
steps.
So
because
our
report
covered
more
than
one
year
and
was
finalized
mid-year,
this
past
September,
we
opted
to
orient
our
goals
for
the
remainder
of
2022
and
started
and
to
start
a
new
full
year
cycle
for
goals
in
2023
..
So
we
also
use
this
moment
to
consider
our
organizational
structure
and
decided
to
focus
our
effort
on
three
areas
and
to
formalize
them
into
working
groups
consisting
of
two
or
three
members
each.
Q
They
are
shown
before
you
here,
which
are
the
waste
reduction,
heat
management
and
just
transition
working
groups
at
the
subsequent
meeting
of
each
group.
Its
members
then
discussed
and
defined
their
own
goals
and
then
reported
them
back
to
the
commission.
Q
There
are
two
important
notes
to
make
about
these
goals,
and
the
first
is
that
that,
because
they
were
defined
for
the
rest
of
2022,
and
we
are
now
in
December
I
can
give
you
a
brief
update
on
their
status,
and
the
second
is
that
what
you
see
here
on
the
screen
is
not
actually
the
goals
themselves.
So
in
an
effort
to
align
the
commission's
efforts
with
the
city's
goals,
we've
oriented
our
objectives,
around
action
items
defined
in
the
2021
climate
action
plan.
Q
So
these
are
what
are
displayed
on
the
slide
in
an,
albeit
grossly
summarized
form,
but
it's
because
they
represent
both
the
goal
and
the
alignment
with
the
city's
goals.
So
that
said,
here
is
a
brief
summary
of
the
working
group
progresses.
Since
the
release
of
this
report
for
the
waste
reduction
working
group,
which
I'm
a
member
of
we
first
drafted
a
set
of
signing
for
the
Monroe
County
Solid
Waste,
Management
District's
recycling,
centers
and
connected
with
the
district's
executive
director,
Mr
mcglassen,
who
was
receptive
to
the
initiative
and
the
input?
Q
Second,
so
for
the
waste
management
goal
to
establish
an
at-home
and
community
garden
composting
program,
we
completed
an
outline
for
a
collaborative
self-managed,
neighborhood
compost,
project
concept.
So
we
will
finish
flushing
out
the
details
in
our
December
meeting
and
we
will
continue
with
goals
around
that
initiative
in
2023
and
then
third,
we
pursued
the
potential
addition
of
multi-layered
carton
recycling
to
the
city's
curbside
collection
service,
but
found
that
the
city's
current
recycling
processor
does
not
provide
carton
recycling
anywhere
nationally.
Q
So
we
are
going
to
resume
investigation
in
2023
to
see
if
there
are
other
alternatives,
then
for
the
heat
management
goal
of
to
develop
a
comprehensive
heat
response
plan.
I
am
very
pleased
to
say
that
a
heat
management
task
force
has
been
assembled
and
its
management
consists
of
two
members
of
the
Monroe
County
Health
Department,
two
members
of
the
Monroe
County
Emergency
Management
Department,
one
member
from
the
Bloomington
planning
department
and
one
member
from
the
Red
Cross.
Q
So
they
held
their
initial
meeting
the
first
week
of
October.
They
will
hold
monthly
recurring
meetings
and
they
will
be
evaluating
the
capacity
to
create
either
a
complete
heat
management
plan
or
at
least
focus
on
one
aspect
of
it
and
I
would
like
to
especially
recognize
the
heat
management
working
group
lead
Sean
Mia
for
her
efforts
on
convening
this
team,
this
multi-organizational
team
and
then
last.
Q
The
last
working
group
is
the
just
transition
and
the
stated
goal
at
the
time
of
the
drafting
of
this
report
was
to
conduct
policy,
research
and
planning
for
a
more
focused
public
dialogue
in
the
fall
of
2022.
But
at
our
last
meeting
this
past
month,
it
was
updated
to
instead,
what
is
shown
on
the
screen
and
that
is
to
assess
existing
services
in
the
community
and
seek
opportunities
to
add
value,
to
avoid
duplicating
efforts.
Q
I
Yes,
thank
you
very
much
for
your
report,
Mr
winnia
and
for
all
your
work
with
because
and
all
the
members
of,
because
as
well,
could
you
give
a
little
more
detail
on
the
U.N
sustainable
development
goals?
Yes,.
Q
Q
So
the
United
Nations
has
a
set
of
what
I
believe
is
16,
sustainable
development
goals
and
they're.
Essentially,
just
categories
under
which
project
definitions
could
fall.
So
it's
things
like
land
use.
Unfortunately,
This
was
driven
by
another
member
of
the
commission,
so
I
am
less
familiar
with
exactly
what
all
of
the
goals
are.
Q
So
I'm
not
going
to
be
able
to
give
you
precise
examples,
but
they
are
of
that
kind
of
nature
where
it's
like
land
use,
water,
quality,
ending
hunger,
fighting
poverty
and
it's
the
specific
set
so
they're
on
transportation
and
they're,
generally
already
pretty
aligned,
with
the
way
that
the
climate
action
plan
is
broken
down
into
those
types
of
categories.
Q
So
it
would
just
be
a
way
with
the
end
goal
of
having
external
organizations
be
able
to
quickly
identify
with
respect
to
this,
this
International
standard
of
categorization
exactly
what
a
project
is
focused
on
and
also
because
they
divide
all
of
the
vast
aspects
of
sustainability
into
specific
categories.
It
would
also
help
bring
focus
and
reduce
creep
to
existing
commission
projects.
Q
I
think
it'd
be
more
of
an
overlay
of
categorization
that
just
adds
a
different
level
of
Association
than
the
climate
action
plans
categorization.
So
a
broader
spanning
one
and
a
more
a
more
widely
known,
one.
A
F
A
brief
note
that
the
climate
action
and
resilience
committee
is
continuing
its
work
on
advancing
a
suite
of
policies
and
programs
to
try
to
address
strategy
tl1-I
from
the
climate
action
plan,
specifically
to
reduce
Citywide,
off-road
and
Lawn
Equipment
annual
emissions
to
below
35
000
metric
tons.
F
F
That's
been
trying
to
implement
a
phase
phase
out
and
ultimately,
a
ban
on
gas
powered
equipment
within
some
categories
and
they've
had
some
some
real
troubles
with
enforcement
and
rolling
that
out,
because
they
didn't
think
through
everything
adequately
initially,
when
their
Council
passed
some
some
ordinances
and
talking
through
those
issues
and
how
we've
been
approaching
it
so
far,
Kara
said
that
it
sounds
like
we're
thinking
about
all
the
right
things,
so
that
was
a
nice
to
hear
and
we'll
be
moving
forward
on
that
early
in
the
new
year.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
and
seeing
no
other
reports.
Let
us
move
on
to
our
first
opportunity
for
public
comment.
This
will
be
on
matters
not
on
this
evening's
agenda.
If
I
could
just
get
a
show
of
hands
who,
in
Chambers
one
two
three
four
see
Four
Hands
here,
Mr
Lucas,
if
you
can
make
the
announcement
for
those
that
may
be
watching
on
Zoom,.
R
At
the
moment
on
Zoom,
if
there
are
other
members
of
the
public
on
Zoom
that
would
wish
to
comment,
please
use
the
raise
hand
feature
to.
Let
us
know
you
can
find
that
in
your
control
bar
by
clicking
the
reactions,
tab
or
the
more
tab.
You
can
also
send
a
chat
to
the
meeting
host
to.
Let
us
know
you'd
like
to
comment
and.
A
A
S
Welcome
great
thanks,
my
name
is
Greg
Alexander
Jersey
city
has
been
in
the
news
lately
because
their
Vision
zero
plan
is
working.
They
adopted
the
plan
in
2019.
About
the
same
time,
we
adopted
our
own
transportation
plan,
they're
already
seeing
huge
success,
their
city
with
a
population
about
three
hundred
thousand.
They
typically
saw
about
10
deaths
a
year
on
city
streets,
but
so
far
this
year,
no
deaths
on
city
streets.
That's
that's
amazing.
This
is
the
United
States
of
America
I
was
looking
at
their
Vision
zero
plan.
It's
good!
It's
not
great!
S
It's
it's
only
a
little
better
than
our
own
transportation
plan.
These
plans
live
or
die
on
the
implementation,
though,
while
we
have
made
one
plan
after
another
that
gets
watered
down
or
abandoned,
they
completed
the
modest
goals
of
their
planned
and
they
kept
going
a
lot
of
it
comes
down
to
political
support,
especially
from
their
mayor.
One
of
the
cornerstones
of
vision.
Zero
is
that
each
death
gets
some
sort
of
response,
so
just
to
get
that
ball
rolling.
S
S
At
the
November
meeting,
we
heard
a
report
on
the
recent
scooter
fatality,
a
guy
was
riding
a
scooter
in
the
bike
lane
on
Walnut
near
12th
Street
when
he
was
killed
by
a
drunk
driver.
It's
a
buffered
bike
lane.
That
means
there's
a
like
a
two
foot
strip
of
paint
between
the
bike
lane
and
the
car
Lane
and
director
Seaboard
noted
that
there's
plenty
of
room
to
install
temporary
barriers
in
that
buffer
to
physically
protect
the
bike
lane
he
pointed
out,
you
can
never
say
for
sure.
S
Would
it
have
prevented
this
crash,
but
on
average
we
know
that
the
numbers
are
really
Stark,
that
kind
of
stuff
works
and
they
can
be
deployed
quickly
and
efficiently
without
too
much
money
without
too
much
engineering
oversight,
they
stopped
the
Bloodshed
right
away.
You
know,
Jersey
City
is
installing
temporary
barriers
protect
their
bike
Lanes
as
usual.
The
devil's
in
the
details
and
one
detail
that
director
seabor
hit
on
is
that
if
we
deploy
a
temporary
fix
today,
it
will
have
political
ramifications.
S
People
will
be
saying:
they're
ugly
drivers
will
be
damaging
the
barriers,
possibly
damaging
their
cars
running
into
them.
People
will
say
the
street
never
had
a
problem
before,
even
though
it's
as
part
of
our
high
Injury
Network,
even
though
it's
had
nearly
annual
fatalities,
a
political
backlash
could
derail
the
corridor
study
that
is
just
beginning
because
of
politics.
A
quick
fix
today
might
make
it
impossible
to
do
a
good,
high
quality
fix
tomorrow.
M
Castle
Jim
Shelton
with
the
chamber,
but
speaking
tonight
on
behalf
of
Port
important,
special
Advocates
or
Casas
I,
wanted
to
alert
you
in
the
public
that
Casa
has
scheduled
his
winter
training
session.
Just
about
a
month
from
now,
it's
going
to
start
January
18th
and
run
through
February
8th
as
as
usual
the
case
it'll
be
Monday,
Wednesday
and
Thursdays,
but
the
cost
of
Staff
has
decided
to
change
the
hours
in
hopes
that
it
will
open
up
the
training
opportunities
to
a
new
set
of
people.
So
the
trainees
are
going
to
be
in
the
mornings.
M
They'll
run
from
9
00
a.m,
to
12
a.m,
on
Monday,
Wednesdays
and
Thursdays.
So
I
invite
people
to
think
about
that.
Sadly,
the
local
Casa
office,
as
well
as
the
whole
state,
has
seen
a
drop
off
in
volunteers.
We
Associated
just
based
on
their
calendar
and
time
that
is
probably
associated
with
covid,
but
we've
got
20
some
people
20
some
children
right
now
who
do
not
have
a
volunteer
that
we
can
assign
to
their
case.
So
I
asked
the
public
to
think
about
that
to
look
into
it.
M
If
you've
never
thought
about
it
or
don't
know
much
about
it
before
you
can
go
to
Monroe,
County,
casa.org
and
click
on
the
volunteer
link
get
a
bunch
more
detailed
information.
There's
a
free,
frequently
Asked
question
page.
There
that'll
provide
a
lot
of
details.
You
can
all
three
call
333-2272
and
speak
to
a
staff
member.
So
please
think
about
this.
We
need
more
people
to
volunteer
to
help
these
children
to
get
to
a
permanent
place
that
will
be
safe
for
them
to
grow
up,
and
that's
what
a
casa
helps
do.
Thank
you.
T
All
right
good
evening,
my
name
is
Jen
Pearl
I'm,
the
president
of
the
Bloomington
Economic
Development
Corporation,
we're
a
non-profit
that
serves
all
of
Monroe
County
in
convening
Partners,
around
Economic
Development
challenges
and
strategies,
as
well
as
supporting
Quality
Employment
growth.
This
evening,
I
have
two
updates
related
to
those
efforts.
One
is
we
wanted
to
share
our
efforts
following
catalan's
recent
announcement
on
Workforce
changes,
the
bedc
has
been
working
with
the
city,
Catalan
and
other
partners
to
respond.
As
a
community.
T
Last
week,
the
bedc
convened
partners
to
discuss
ways
that
we
can
support
affected
workers
that
includes
wraparound
Services,
sharing
information
resources
and
connecting
individuals
with
information
on
employers
that
are
hiring,
and
we
have
many
employers
that
are
have
open
positions
right
now
that
are
available.
The
bedc
is
working
on
a
public
resource
webpage
which
we'll
share
when
it's
ready
to
go
live.
If
anyone
listening
this
evening
is
aware
of
resources
that
we
should
include,
or
if
you're
an
employer,
that's
seeking
Talent
please
reach
out
to
us
at
the
bedc.
T
Our
contact
is
at
Bloomington
edc.com,
again,
that's
bloomingtonedc.com
and
our
contact
page.
The
other
update
that
I
have
this
evening
is
on
the
economic
Vitality
project
and
thank
you
to
the
many
members
of
council
and
actually
others
in
the
room
today
who
have
been
participating
in
that
initiative.
Again,
that's
a
community-wide
initiative
to
convene
people
across
sectors
across
Monroe
County
to
solve
some
of
our
biggest
Economic
Development
challenges.
Those
issues
that
we've
been
focusing
on
include
Workforce
jobs,
housing
infrastructure
and
quality
of
life.
T
To
date,
we've
had
over
140
community
members,
participate
in
committees,
focus
groups,
working
groups,
interviews
and
then
our
community
survey
which
closed
in
early
November
had
over
600
640
responses
with
a
lot
of
great
input.
So
thank
you
to
everyone
who
helped
to
promote
those
an
update
for
all
all
of
you
on
the
current
timeline.
Our
steering
committee
is
taking
everything
and
updating
the
vision
statement,
our
recommendations
and
strategies
which
will
be
finalized
by
Partners
in
January
and
released
at
our
annual
meeting
and
then
broadly
to
the
public
in
February.
T
U
People
call
Franklin
and
oh
God,
I,
don't
even
know
how
I
don't
please
excuse
me,
but
okay,
what's
going
on,
is
I'm
dealing
with
a
situation
in
Family
Court,
my
daughter-in-law
passed
away
and
my
sons,
my
son's
kids,
his
kids
mother,
passed
away
earlier
this
year
in
February
and
I
have
done
everything
to
see
my
grandkids
and
the
judge.
U
Catherine
Stafford
have
gave
my
grandkids
to
a
32
year
old,
with
six
kids
of
her
own
on
welfare
and
Section
8
I'm,
a
hard-working
citizen
of
Monroe
County
Indiana,
and
my
husband
is
too
in
the
way
I've
been
done
in
the
court
system
down
here,
and
even
there
was
supposed
to
be
court
today,
so
we
could
get
the
kids
for
Christmas
and
she
canceled
and
she
have
done
ever
everything
to
make
sure
I
didn't
see
my
grandchildren.
She
is
so
biased
against
me.
U
Her
and
her
guardian
ad
litem
had
issue
with
my
son
about
two
years
ago.
So
when
his
kid's
mother
passed
away
in
February,
they
I
mean
they
came
down
on
him
hard.
He
have
never
even
well.
He
did
see
his
kids
one
time,
the
kid's
mother.
It
was
a
resident
of
Monroe
County
Indiana.
She
struggled
with
drugs,
so
she
left
to
go
to
Houston
Texas
to
live
with
her
sister
and
that's
when
she
passed
away
at
and
as
soon
as
we
real
I'm.
U
The
one
got
the
phone
call
from
my
12
year
old,
grandson
and
said
his
mother
was
on
the
floor
and
wouldn't
get
up
and
I
notified.
My
son
I
put
him
on
the
plane.
He
was
in
Houston
Texas
within
four
hours
and
they
picked
him
up
from
the
airport.
The
third
party
who
has
the
children
and
when
they
picked
him
up,
she
let
him
spend
the
night
with
his
kids
at
a
hotel.
U
She
wanted
to
take
the
kids
out
to
dinner
and
she
took
the
kids
and
never
gave
them
back,
and
this
judge
happened
now
for
I
put
in
all
types
of
emergency
hearings
back
to
him
to
recuse
herself
off
the
case.
She
have
ignored
all
my
cries.
I
have
wrote,
Every
organization
out
there
on
every
bar
every
wherever
you're
supposed
to
make
your
complaints.
U
That-
and
this
is
my
last
hope
so
I
can
see
my
grandkids
while
I
look
at
this
judge
on
Facebook
making
cookies
with
her
granddaughter
the
other
day
and
the
Damage
she
have
done.
I've,
never
even
hugged
my
grandbabies
babies,
their
mother
has
been
dead
and
the
father
didn't
even
get
to
go
to
the
funeral
or
nothing.
How
can
you
be
so
cold
hard.
U
U
U
A
U
He's
so
nervous,
we
don't
we're
not
used
to
this
coming
up
here.
Speaking
and
embarrassing
ourselves
like
this,
but
we
don't
do
anything
wrong
down
here
and
we
don't
have
organizations
we
can
go
to
American
woman
I,
don't
have
nobody,
we
can
turn
to.
She
has
exhausted
our
bank
accounts,
we
have
hired
attorneys
and
these
attorneys
are
not
coming
out
with
good
results
or
like
they
just
take
our
money
too.
Yeah.
V
Forum,
okay,
I'm,
sorry,
okay,
I
just
want
to
say
that
before
the
mother
had
passed,
the
grandfather
had
passed,
which
was
her
father.
You
know,
so
she
was
going
through
a
lot
and
then
you
know
on
top
of
that
they
lost
their
grandfather,
so
I'm
married
in
to
their
family
as
a
grandfather,
and
so
they,
these
Sons,
don't
even
see
their
father
grandfather
or
no
male
figure
in
their
lives.
V
V
A
You
our
next
speaker,
are
you
ready
to
make
a
comment?
Yes,
thank
you.
X
W
Yes,
yes,
good
evening,
everyone
I'm,
Leslie,
Davis
I,
am
very
recently
the
new
chair
of
the
council
for
Community,
accessibility
and
I'm
delighted
to
be
in
this
role.
I
wanted
to
just
say
a
few
things
somewhat
related
to
what
my
colleagues
Michael
shermis
and
Deb
Myerson
had
to
say
earlier
about
the
Ada
transition
plan
and
about
the
Transportation
plan.
G
A
Okay,
three
minutes:
what
is
what
he's
saying
you
would
have
ample.
O
A
You
we
appreciate
you
being
here
all
right,
anyone
else
at
home
on
Zoom
before
we
close
out
public
comment.
Currently
there
are
no
hands
on
Zoom
all
right.
Let
us
move
on
then
appointments
to
boards
and
commissions
this
evening.
That
is
our
next
item.
A
I
Move
that
we
have
the
council
appoint
on
behalf
of
interview
committee
c,
I
would
like
to
move
the
appointment
of
John
Eldon
to
the
Bloomington
Commission
on
sustainability,
seat
C5.
A
All
right
that
has
been
moved
and
seconded
all
in
favor,
say
aye.
I
A
D
B
Sorry,
yes,
resolution
2219
to
approve
an
update
to
the
city
of
bloomington's
Americans
with
Disability
Act
transition
plan.
The
synopsis
is
as
follows.
This
resolution
approves
an
Americans
with
Disabilities
Act
transition
plan
that
shall
act
as
an
advisory
document
outlining
a
plan
for
the
city
of
Bloomington
to
be
accessible
to
people
of
all
abilities.
There
is
no
recommendation.
K
It's
not
significantly
different.
There
is
nothing
that
I
really
say
to
make
other
than
what
I
said
before
for
the
for
the
transition
plan.
Okay,.
A
W
More
to
say
so,
I
think
that,
in
the
spirit
of
nothing
about
us
without
us,
it
is
extremely
important
for
any
City
to
follow
the
recommendations
set
forth
in
an
ADA
transition
plan.
There
is
no
such
thing
as
the
Ada
police.
W
Nobody
comes
around
and
checks
these
things
wholesale,
and
so
it
is
up
to
citizens
and
their
communities
to
comply
with
the
things
that
we
are
meant
to
comply
with
under
federal
law
and
because
it
is
so
hard
to
you
know,
because
there
are
no
Ada
cops.
W
Essentially,
it's
organizations
like
ours,
like
the
council
for
Community
accessibility
and
Ada
transition
plans
that
really
allow
a
city
to
put
itself
kind
of
out
in
front
of
of
that
law
that
we're
all
meant
to
uphold
in
the
U.S
and
the
CCA
Council
for
Community
accessibility
is
here
to
help
you
and
anyone
in
the
community
who
has
questions
about
how
do
I
make
this
inclusive
for
people
with
disabilities.
W
But
if
we
say
we're
going
to
do
it,
you
I
want
you
all
know
to
know
that
you
have
helped
doing
that
from
people
with
a
wide
range
of
disabilities
and
I
wanted
to
Echo
something
else
that
our
colleague
from
the
sustainability
committee,
who
I
don't
think
is
here
anymore,
said
the
UN
sustainable
development
goals.
Probably
some
of
you
know
about
them,
but
but
maybe
not
all
of
you
but
the
unsdgs.
W
There
are
17
goals
and
there
are
a
lot
of
countries
in
the
world
that
really
are
using
them
as
an
overlay
for
their
planning
processes,
and
one
of
the
things
I
like
about
the
unsdgs
is
that
there
is
a
very
nice
overlay
with
issues
regarding
people
with
disabilities.
So,
for
example,
unsdg
number
10.
W
The
goal
is
to
reduce
inequalities,
so
all
manner
of
inequalities,
including
for
people
with
disabilities
and
sdg
number
11,
is
about
sustainable
cities
and
communities,
and
so,
when
we
think
about
things
like,
let's
make
our
buildings
more
energy
efficient.
Well,
at
the
same
time
as
you
make
your
building
more
energy
efficient,
you
could
think
about,
and
how
can
we
also
make
it
more
accessible
at
the
same
time,
because
sustainability,
especially
in
a
world
and
a
country
where
populations
are
aging,
also
includes
being
able
to
access
those
facilities
and
activities?
W
I
Yes,
thank
you,
Miss
Davis,
I'm
glad
you
could
attend
and
give
that
overview.
Tonight.
I
had
a
question
about
the
Bloomington
Transit
bus
stops,
which
are
mentioned
in
the
Ada
transition
plan.
I
It
was
pretty
disturbing
to
me
to
see
that
I
think
it
was
14
are
still
very
inaccessible
or
whatever
the
adjective
was
basically
not
feasible
for
for
people
with
disabilities
to
use
or
with
some
types
of
disabilities
and
I
know
that
that
some
funding
has
gone
towards
some
of
the
recover
forward.
Funds
have
gone
towards
improving
some
bus
stops,
but
what
has
what
is
the
communication
between
the
CAC
and
Bloomington
Transit,
and,
and
is
there
some
hope
of
getting
further
improvements
to
those
bus
stops.
K
K
They
asked
if
I
would
be
able
to
Garner
a
few
people
with
disabilities
to
go
out
and
help
them
finalize
their
survey
to
determine
the
accessibility
of
the
bus
stops.
So
Leslie
was
one
of
those
people.
There
was
people
who
were
blind.
E
Continuing
on
the
notion
of
budget,
one
of
the
points
you
reference
in
here
speaks
about.
These
plans
is
a
step
on
the
way
to
securing
Federal
funding.
Could
you
speak
in
a
little
more
detail
about
Federal
funding?
We've
received
our
plans
for
specific
kind
of
federal
funding
that
we're
going
to
be
seeking.
K
I
I
I,
don't
know
of
Andrew
seibor
is
on
Zoom
or
not,
but
if
he
is,
he
would
be
the
best
person
to
be
able
to
answer
that.
I
really.
Wouldn't
because
that
section
about
the
where
the
funding
is
coming
from
and
what
they
do,
he's
the
one
who
really
be
able
to
address
that
so
I
can
make
sure
that
he,
if
he's
not
there
at
least
he
can
come
back
to
you
with
more
information
on.
E
K
G
Note
that
one
of
the,
whereas
Clauses
in
the
resolution
talks
about
whereas
the
city
of
Bloomington
works
with
state
and
federal
agencies
that
require
an
up-to-date
Ada
transition
plan
approved
by
the
city's
legislative
body
as
a
condition
of
receiving
Federal
funding,
including
indot
Federal,
Highway,
Administration
and
Housing
and
Urban
Development
I
mean
I'm
the
chair
of
the
mpo
right
now,
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
haven't
yet
seen
while
being
on
the
Metropolitan
planning
organization
policy
committee
is
direct
and
regular
interaction
with
the
council
for
Community
accessibility
with
the
I
mean
I.
G
Don't
know
to
what
extent
you
speak
with
the
the
staff
members
who
manage
the
mpo,
but
have
you
given
any
thought
to
taking
part
in
mpo
meetings.
K
K
So
I
think
that
it
would
be
easier
when
these
principles
are
in
place
to
go
to
much
of
the
staff
and
say
we
need
to
be
more
involved
and
more
closely
involved,
and
that
would
definitely
be
one
of
the
areas
where
it
would
be
appropriate.
Is
that
good
enough
answer
or.
I
Yes,
I
wanted
to
ask
about
document
accessibility,
that's
mentioned
in
the
transition
plan,
and
it's
been
brought
to
my
attention
that
perhaps
the
plan
itself
is
not
entirely
accessible
because
some
items
come
with
a
screen.
Reader
just
say
image
when
the
image
actually
is
importing
information
to
the
reader.
If,
for
somebody
who
is
cited,
can
you
speak
a
little
bit
about
efforts
to
improve
the
accessibility
of
electronic
documents?
I
K
K
We
continue
to
try
to
help
educate
those
people
within
the
city.
A
lot
of
this
is
is
I.T
incumbent
rather
than
my
role,
but
we
continue
to
try
to
help
be
a
part
of
the
education
that
needs
to
take
place
to
ensure
that
all
documents
are
accessible
from
my
understanding
a
lot
of
times.
It
is
from
external
organizations
that
are
providing
information
and
then
that
gets
folded
in
and
that
hasn't
been
fully
made
accessible,
and
so,
but
we
need
to
be
more
Vigilant
about
looking
that
over
when
it
comes
in.
K
A
R
O
My
name
is
Peter
Dorfman,
just
a
quick
question
in
the
form
of
a
comment,
because
I
know
I'm
not
supposed
to
ask
questions
to
this
point.
But
what
we
heard
before
was
that
Federal
Regulations
requires
that
planning
documents
be
in
place
in
relation
to
ADA
compliance
and
a
body
to
discuss
those
things.
What
I
didn't
hear
is
whether
there
are
consequences.
If
the
city
down
the
road
doesn't
do
what
it
said,
it
would
do,
and
that's
my
that
would
be
what
I'm
wondering
are
there
consequences?
O
A
D
I'll
pose
the
question
to
whomever
can
answer
that.
What
are
the
consequences
of
Mr
dorfman's?
What
Mr
dorphin
was
alluding
to.
K
I'm
the
best
qualified
to
answer
that
the
Ada
does
not
have
a
a
lot
of
teeth
to
it
as
a
as
a
law
goes
frequently.
For
things
to
happen,
it
takes
people
who
want
to
complain
and
and
pursue
it
through
legal
means.
K
So
I
like
Leslie,
said
earlier
there
you
know
there
are
no
Ada
police
to
be
able
to
ensure
that
that's
the
case.
You
want
to
speak
Leslie.
W
Also
with
a
quick
consultation
with
your
colleague
in
the
city,
what
can
have
the
way
that
people
the
way
that
individuals
wind
up
getting
Ada
enforcement
is
that
they
go
to
the
depending
on
the
area
of
the
Ada?
But
if
we're
talking
about
much
of
accessibility,
they
would
go
to
the
Department
of
Justice
and
they
could
say
my
rights
were
violated
under
the
Ada
and
if
the
Department
of
Justice
came
and
did
an
investigation,
they
would
say.
W
A
G
Often
think
about
the
first
political
Awakening
I
had
to
that
led
me
to
run
for
office,
and
it
was
more
than
20
years
ago
when
I
remember
having
an
office
and
a
home
on
the
Square
and
hearing
what
turned
out
to
be
accessibility,
services
for
blind
pedestrians,
the
the
Cuckoos
that
were
signaling
when
pedestrians
could
cross
and
they
had
been
set
to
loudly
and
I
complained
about
them
loudly
to
people
who
I
knew,
including
the
mayor.
G
At
the
time
who
said
you
know,
I
can
I
can
chuckle
about
the
jokes
you
make
about
this,
but
you
really
should
get
involved
with
the
council
for
Community
accessibility.
It
was
the
first
time
that
I
was
even
aware
that
it
existed
and
I
say
this
now,
just
because
I
realized
that
you
know
I
had
really
no
experience
with
people
with
physical
disabilities
who
might
have
needed
those
those
signals,
even
though
they
could
have
been
set
more
sensitively.
G
I
I
myself
wasn't
sensitive
to
the
the
conditions
that
led
to
the
passage
of
the
Americas
Disabilities
Act
30
some
years
ago.
So
you
know
the
fact
that
it
got
me
involved
with
city
council
is
frankly
something
I
should
be
a
little
chagrined
about.
But
since
then
I've,
you
know
learned
a
lot
and
I'm
very
grateful
to
see
both
Mr
Sherman
and
Miss
Davis
and
the
CCA
asserting
its
presence,
because
it's
more
needed
more
than
ever
and
I
want
to
make
a
case
here.
G
A
very
strong
case
that
if
there's
one
organization
in
the
city
that
is
missing
their
input,
it
would
be
the
Metropolitan
planning
organization,
the
key
reason
being
that,
because
we
are
a
metropolitan
area.
Any
Federal
Highway
dollars
that
come
to
this
city
or
to
this
area
must
be
approved
by
the
mpo
policy
committee.
It
in
some
ways
transcends
even
the
state,
and
so
indot
has
been
in
conflict
with
the
mpo
before,
because
the
mpo
wouldn't
agree
to
put
something
into
their
transportation.
G
Improvement
plan
I
think
if
there
is
an
active
and
abiding
presence
of
the
CCA
and
the
department
I
mean
I,
don't
think
it's
it's.
It's
not
necessary
for
Mr
Sherman's
Department
to
be
reticent
in
the
advocacy
for
Disabilities
that,
especially
at
the
mpo
that
they
should
be
a
regular
presence
and
I
certainly
want
to
advise
them
on.
You
know
how
that
can
be
implemented,
but
you
know
with
regarding
any
major
road
in
Bloomington
that
is
under
the
authority
of
indot.
G
It
is
also
in
the
purview
of
the
mpo
and
the
CCA,
and-
and
you
know,
Mr
Sherman
company
should
be
active
parts
of
that
discussion,
but
whether
it
comes
to
if
I
mean
finally
I
just
want
to
say
that
I've
been
to
countries
older
than
hours
in
recent
years
and
found
myself
remarking
on
the
various
ways
in
which
they
address
physical
accessibility
to
public
space
and
some
kind
countries
I
visited.
G
What
with
trees
planted
in
the
middle
of
three
foot
wide
sidewalks
or
cars
parked
everywhere,
including
on
the
sidewalk
on
yellow
curbs
if
there
were
even
yellow
curbs
anywhere
and
overall,
just
a
lack
of
sensitivity
for
anyone,
for
example,
in
a
chair
with
wheels
or
or
pedestrians
with
difficulties,
you
know
navigating
when
there's
no
curb
Cuts
or
the
curbs
themselves
are
twice
as
high
as
we'd
be
accustomed
to.
G
So
you
know,
I
am
increasingly
grateful
that
I'm
aware
of
the
Ada
that
I'm
aware
that
I
know
people
who
need
those
services
and
eventually
I'm
going
to
need
them
to,
and
that's
none
of
that's
an
excuse
that
we
all
need
to
be
taking
disabilities
into
account
from
the
get-go
in
the
way
that
we
think
about
all
legislation.
G
So
with
that
again,
I
just
want
to
reiterate
the
idea
that
the
mpo
I
think
is
the
next
Frontier
for
anyone
I'm
concerned
about
physical
accessibility,
Transportation
accessibility
and
I'd
love
to
have
that
conversation
with
them
sometime,
but
I'm
going
to
enthusiastically
support
this
resolution.
Thank
you.
Thank.
D
You
thanks
a
lot
for
the
presentation
in
the
reports
really
interesting
and
I
really
appreciate
the
table
of
compliance
and
deficiencies
within
the
report
for
City
facilities.
D
I
just
I
wanted
to
make
a
a
comment
on
you
know:
sidewalk,
accessibility
and
clearly
we
make
decisions
that
involve
trade-offs
and
I.
Think
an
unfortunate
one
was,
in
my
mind,
were
the
scooters
because
they
could
not
only
utilize
those
sidewalks,
but
they
Park
on
them
and
they
block
them,
and
we
have
hundreds
and
hundreds
of
examples
of
how
that
that
happened
over
the
years,
and
so
we
spend
millions
of
dollars
on
sidewalks
and
then
yet
with
a
single
action
we
make
them
unaccessible
for
many
many
people.
D
D
So
and
it's
I
guess
it's
meant
to
expedite
bite
travel
is
the
bike
should
be
unencumbered
and
not
able
to
stop.
Even
though
I
stop
at
stop
signs
and
and
then
also
bicycles
on
sidewalks
I,
think
was
a
mistake
as
well,
because
I
know
several
people
who
they
were
people
without
disabilities,
but
they
were,
they
still
were
involved
in
collisions.
So
I
think
that
we
really
hopefully
this
report.
D
Your
report
has
brought
to
the
attention
of
the
council
that
we
have
to
be
really
careful
that
we
don't
do
the
you
know
the
worst
turn
in
terms
of
these
sorts
of
decisions
that
impact
people
were
in
vulnerable
communities
and
we
don't
put
millions
of
dollars
of
infrastructure
potentially
at
to
waste,
with
with
actions
like
that.
So
I'll
be
reviewing
the
report
and
I
look
forward
to
talking
to
you
about
implementing
it.
Thank
you.
A
I'd
like
to
thank
you
very
much,
Mr
shermis
I
know
that
during
our
work
session,
you've
gotten
some
Kudos
from
some
of
your
peer
communities
where
you
have
been
meeting
and
sharing
this
transition
plan.
It
is
a
good
thing
to
have
it
updated
and
to
have
us
reminded
we
appreciate
photographs
of
the
problem
areas.
A
I
know,
councilmember
Rallo
has
already
talked
about
the
scooters
that
all
of
us
I'm
sure
all
of
us
up
here
on
this
Council
have
gotten
hundreds
of
photographs
of
wrongfully
Park
scooters
and
we're
becoming
much
more
aware
of
individuals
with
accessibility
issues
that
really
are
encumbered
by
these
things
and
then
the
other
examples
that
were
brought
up
tonight.
That
certainly
bear
us
to
be
more
mindful
of,
and
that
goes
for
all
the
ranges
of
disabilities,
whether
you
are
site,
impaired
or
hearing
impaired
or
have
a
physical
challenge.
A
F
A
couple
things
and,
and
one
is
that
when
it
comes
to
well,
thank
you
very
much
for
the
presentation,
I
appreciate
the
plan.
I
appreciate
all
the
work
that's
gone
into
it
and
and
having
joined
in
2021
the
with
the
walk,
Audits
and
all
the
rest.
It's
it's
really
great
work.
F
I'm
excited
to
keep
following
up
on
it.
We
have
a
lot
of
accessibility
challenges.
What
I
wanted
to
say
a
couple
of
things.
One
is
when
we
think
about
accessibility
challenges
on
our
sidewalks,
like
a
few
that
were
just
mentioned,
I
think
we
should
like
keep
a
systems
level
View
and
not
focus
on
individual
offending
units.
F
We
might
need
to
focus
on
scooters
for
a
moment
to
address
that
problem,
but
as
ubiquitous,
if
not
more
so
again,
our
trash
cans,
as
a
number
of
us
have
been
ringing
up
for
months
now
so
like,
let's
make
sure
we're
holistic
and
looking
at
it
and
keeping
the
main
thing,
the
main
thing,
which
is
accessibility,
not
scooters
and
then
same
thing
with
marginalized
roadway
users,
in
particular,
people
who
walk
and
bike
and
use
scooters
and
are
killed
on
our
streets
by
people
driving
at
three
thousand
four
thousand
six
thousand
family
vehicles.
F
Mr
Alexander
gave
comment
earlier
tonight
about
a
scooter
user
who
was
a
lawfully
in
a
bike
lane
and
killed
tragically,
because
we
don't
have
adequate
protected
infrastructure
for
that
type
of
marginalized
roadway
user.
When
someone
rides
a
scooter
or
a
bike
on
a
sidewalk
is
because
they
are
fearful
of
themselves
for
being
killed
in
the
streets.
F
The
answer
isn't
to
Outlaw,
outlaw
them
from
making
the
best.
With
you
know,
with
with
the
subpar
infrastructure,
we
need
to
again
take
a
systems
level
View
and
realize
that
the
pedestrian,
the
bicyclist
and
the
scooter
rider
are
all
marginalized.
In
this
system
that
does
not
accommodate
a
vision,
zero
priority
for
complete
streets
that
equally
prioritizes
all
users.
F
So
it's
a
systems
level
problem
in
both
cases
and
I
worry,
sometimes
that
we
lose
sight
of
that
whole
picture
and
focus
on
a
particular
thing
and
in
the
case
of
the
bicycles
again,
another
marginalized
roadway
user.
So
I
just
wanted
to
mention
those
things.
Thank
you.
I
Yes,
I
also
wanted
to
thank
Mr
sharmis
and
the
CAC
for
the
good
work
on
this
plan.
I
did
appreciate
the
kind
of
people
forward
Focus
to
really
show
that
what
what
is
I
mean
in
addition
to
making
the
physical
changes
and
adjustments,
which
are
vital,
of
course,
the
education
and
Outreach
components
are
so
important,
just
so
that
everybody
in
the
community.
I
You
know
whether
they're
a
business
owner
of
somebody
who
works
with
the
public
schools
or
with
IU
or
wherever
internalizes,
that
this
is
what
it's
like
to
live
with
a
disability,
and
this
should
be
you
know,
people
with
different
types
of
disabilities
should
be
able
to
get
around
just
as
easily
as
anybody
else,
so
those
education
efforts
are
really
valuable
and
I'm
glad
that
those
were
kind
of
upfront
in
the
in
the
plan
and
I
look
forward
to
participating
in
some
more
of
them
myself.
Thank
you.
G
G
Deaths
in
the
same
way
that
cars
create
deaths
and
so
I
looked
into
U.S
statistics
in
2020,
more
than
44
000
people
died
in
transport
accidents
and
of
them
more
than
40
500
died
in
accidents
having
to
do
with
cars.
G
The
it's
it's
so
unclear
how
many
people
were
actually
killed
by
bicyclists
that
you
can't
even
identify
it
from
the
statistical
information.
But
there
is
a
category
called
other
pedal
cyclist.
373
people
died
in
such
accidents
in
2020,
and
it's
not
even
clear
whether
or
not
the
bicyclist
was
the
cause
of
the
death.
But
the
literal
figures
are
100
to
1.
G
G
With
respect
to
disabilities
is
the
ultimate
concern
about
winter
and
sidewalks,
and
are
we
going
to
spend
as
much
money
cleaning
sidewalks
off
of
snow
like
we
do
our
our
city
streets,
especially
when,
as
we're
clearing
the
city
streets,
we're
putting
the
snow
onto
the
sidewalk,
where
it
then
often
doesn't
get
cleared
so
a
lot
of
things
to
think
about?
But
let's
make
sure
our
priorities
are
correct
and
I'm
very
excited
to
know
that
we're
getting
our
products
correct
through
these
plans.
Thank
you.
A
B
D
D
B
The
synopsis
says
as
follows:
this
ordinance
appropriates
various
transfers
of
funds
within
the
general
fund,
Public
Safety,
lit
fund
arpa,
local
fiscal
Recovery,
Fund,
Parks
and
Recreation
general
fund,
local
Road
and
Street
fund
parking
facilities,
fund,
Solid,
Waste
fund
and
the
Fleet
Maintenance
fund.
Your
committee
do
pass
recommendation
was
603.
C
C
The
committee
Hall
considered
appropriation,
ordinance,
22-05,
Cheryl,
Gillian
and
Jeff
McMillan
from
the
controller's
office
presented.
The
legislation
members
asked
questions
and
the
public
was
given
the
opportunity
to
comment
through
the
course
of
discussion
staff
noted
certain
Corrections
needed
within
the
staff
memo
that
had
accompanied
the
legislation.
C
A
corrected
staff
memo
was
included
in
tonight's
meeting
packet
council
member
scam.
Belluri
also
noted
a
type
only
approach
appropriation,
ordinance
itself,
which
has
addressed
the
draft
Amendment
0-1,
which
also
is
included
in
tonight's
meeting
packet
committee,
voted
to
recommend
that
the
council
adopt
the
ordinance
by
a
vote
of
six
to
one
pardon
me
six
in
favor.
None
opposed
and
three
abstaining.
A
Y
Y
Y
Three
of
the
funds
are
requesting
additional
Appropriations,
while
the
remaining
eight
funds
are
requesting
transfers
foreign
within
the
general
fund.
All
requests
will
be
covered
as
transfers
between
departments
and
categories.
This
will
allow
coverage
of
changes
between
the
initial
budget
prepared
and
actual
operation
expenses
for
2022.
The
net
effect
on
the
actual
appropriation
from
the
general
fund
is
zero.
Hence
there
will
be
no
impact
on
the
fund.
Balance
within
the
memo.
Y
You'll
see
the
that
additional
funds
or
transfers
care
request,
carry
a
common
theme
of
requesting
funds
to
cover
the
unexpected
Fuel
and
utility
costs.
Within
2022.
Y
Y
This
department
is
requesting
a
fifteen
thousand
five
hundred
dollar
additional
appropriation
for
category
four,
which
will
cover
a
portion
of
unexpected
Capital
purchases.
In
addition,
the
department
requests
a
transfer
from
Category
3
to
categories
two
and
four.
This
will
cover
higher
than
expected
fuel
costs
and
provide
the
remaining
amount
of
funding
needed
within
category
four.
Y
Needed
to
cover
Staffing
costs
associated
with
the
Meridian
project,
an
additional
208
123
dollars
is
needed
in
category
four
category.
Category
four
funds
will
cover
will
also
cover
a
portion
of
a
land
purchase.
Y
The
legal
department
is
requesting
an
additional
appropriation
amount
of
123
491
dollars
within
category
three
plus
a
transfer
of
thirty
five
thousand
one
hundred
nine
dollars
from
category
one.
These
funds
will
cover
the
excess
outside
Council
fees,
which
is
due
primarily
from
annexation
litigation
and
the
Iridium
fiber
deal.
Y
Y
Public
Works
facilities
division
is
requesting
nineteen
thousand
nine
hundred
dollars
in
additional
Appropriations
to
cover
both
categories.
Two
and
three.
In
addition,
a
twenty
thousand
two
hundred
eighty
dollar
transfer
from
category
one
and
sixty
thousand
dollars
from
category
four
is
being
requested
to
fully
cover
categories.
Two
and
three
These
funds
will
assist
with
covering
the
purchase
of
battery
operated
equipment
for
use
at
the
city
hall
and
other
facilities
plus
assist
in
covering
the
higher
than
anticipated
City
Hall
energy
costs.
Y
Public
Works
Animal,
Care,
Division
and
fire
are
the
only
two
departments
requesting
transfer
of
funds.
Only
Public
Works
Animal
Care
Division
is
requesting
transfers
of
five
thousand
dollars
from
category
two
and
seven
thousand
dollars
from
category
three.
Both
of
these
transfers
will
go
to
category
one
to
assist
in
covering
increased
temporary
salaries.
Y
Fire
is
requesting
a
transfer
of
thirty
thousand
dollars
from
to
move
to
category
one
to
cover
costs
associated
with
hiring
new
firefighters
before
the
end
of
2022.
Y
Z
Consider
needing
money
this
time
one
is
the
jack
Hopkins
fund,
that
is
from
twenty
two
thousand
dollars
for
category
three
services,
and
that
is
from
unused
funds
from
years
before.
The
rental
inspection
fund
is
the
annual
transfer.
We
do
from
the
rental
rehab,
sorry
for
the
rental
inspection
front
to
the
general
fund
and
it
is
306
000..
Z
We
also
have
the
Housing
Development
Fund
for
affordable
housing
development
at
500,
000.
The,
Net
Zero
funds
are
Public
Safety
local
income
tax
is
from
Personnel
Services
to
Capital
and
to
services.
For
thirty
four
thousand
three
hundred
the
arpa
funds
for
salaries
to
services
for
police
is
165
000,
that
is
from
unused
incentives.
Z
Parks
General
is
from
salaries
to
supplies
for
fuel,
which
is
unused
unfilled
positions
in
the
100
categories.
Z
The
third
item
is
local,
Road
and
streets
would
like
to
move
within
their
400
category
for
amount
greater
than
a
hundred
thousand,
for
that
is
also
because
the
alley
quotes
came
in
higher
and
they
would
like
to
get
a
skid,
loader
or
skid
steer
to
be
able
to
do.
Sidewalk
and
Alley
maintenance
like
Cheryl
and
I,
can
take
any
questions,
and
thank
you.
A
G
Thank
you
for
the
presentation.
I've
got
a
couple
of
questions.
First
of
all,
when
did
the
rental
inspection
program
fund
get
set
up?
That
was
recent.
Wasn't
it.
Z
G
G
G
G
G
I'd
be
interested
in
a
breakdown
of
what
the
expenses
are.
You
know
anyway,
but
it
feels
like
it'll
be
cleaner
if
they
were,
if
everything
associated
with
the
rental
instruction
program
was
coming
and
going
out
of
the
same
fund.
The
other
question
I
have
is
engineering
is
requesting
208
thousand
dollars
for
a
land
purchase.
What
is
the
land
being
purchased
and.
Z
What's
it
believe
that
is
right-of-ways
from
17th
Street,
so
it's
related
to
the
Meridian
fiber
yeah.
It's
different
from
that
I
believe
it
is
RDC
gay
or
transferred
money
to
the
general
fund
last
year
for
the
right-of-way
purchase.
Z
Far
as
I
know,
it's
they're
independent.
Y
I
believe
yes,
no
I
don't
have
anything
I
really
don't.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
questions,
council,
member,
scandalore,.
E
Potential
response
to
that
question,
my
understanding
is
that
some
of
that
land
acquisition
was
related
to
the
New
multi-use
Path
on
West
17th.
L
A
E
Thank
you,
madam
president.
If
I
may
I'd
like
to
move
Amendment
one
to
appropriation,
ordinance
2205.,
thank
you
and
may
I
proceed.
Yes,
this
essentially
just
corrects
a
mistake
in
how
a
Department's
name
is
listed,
and
it
reads
as
follows:
appropriation
ordinance
2205
shall
be
amended
by
deleting
any
references
to
economic
and
sustainability
development
and
replacing
such
with
economic
and
sustainable
development
and.
A
R
A
H
D
B
D
B
A
That's
all
councilmember
Roland,
not
here,
no
okay,
eight
zero,
zero
on
that
Amendment.
Thank
you,
Miss
gamblory!
Now
we
are
back
to
the
appropriation
ordinance
as
it
is
any
further
counsel
comments.
O
Take
two
Peter
Dorfman:
what
I'm
requesting
is
a
further
breakout
of
the
appropriation
for
legal
so
that
we
can
understand
what
proportion
of
that
or
what
dollar
figure
is
attached
to
the
litigation
related
to
and
or
ex
outside
counsel
fees
related
to
annexation
versus
those
related
to
the
meridium
deal.
Thank
you.
I.
A
R
And
I
will
again
remind
folks
on
Zoom
that,
if
you'd
like
to
comment
on
the
appropriation
ordinance
as
a
whole,
you
can
use
the
racehand
feature
to.
Let
us
know
you'd
like
to
speak,
which
you
can
find
in
your
control
bar
under
the
reactions,
tab
or
the
more
tab.
You
can
also
send
a
chat
to
the
meeting
host
to.
Let
us
know
you'd
like
to
comment
and
I
believe
tonight's
meeting
also
serves
as
the
required
public
hearing
on
this
item.
So
just
wanted
to
make
a
note
of
that
as
well.
A
X
Good
evening,
council
members,
you
can
hear
me
right-
this
is
on
Beth
K
Corporation
Council
I'm
happy
to
provide
some
more
detail
even
after
this,
but
effectively
in
preparing
for
the
additional
appropriation
ordinance
because
of
the
timing
of
it.
Some
of
the
amount
for
annexation
litigation
is
estimated.
I
had
to
estimate
based
on
the
fact
that
we
would
continue
to
litigate,
obviously
through
the
end
of
the
year,
and
we
have
some
active
proceedings
going
on,
as
you
may
have
been
reading
about
in
the
paper.
X
So
partly
it's
an
estimate
for
that
plus
additional
fees
due
to
the
litigation
that
occurred
before
we
reach
the
point
where
we
were
preparing
for
this
in
terms
of
meridium.
That
was
a
fairly
big
chunk
of
change.
The
outside
Council
fees
for
specialized
Telecom
advice,
in
particular
also
in
connection
with
creating
the
spider
Tiff,
as
you
may
recall,
as
part
of
that
project.
So
those
were
the
two
really
significant
pieces
of
funding.
X
I
will
have
I'm
looking
at
a
bunch
of
numbers
that
I've
got
and
those
got
further
massaged
through
this
process,
but
I'll
be
happy
to
supply
those
to
council
and
they
will
be
made
public
as
a
result
after
this,
and
there
are
a
few
other
bits
and
pieces
in
there
of
some
additional
Municipal
advice
and
things
like
that
that
we
got
on
other
projects
as
well.
But
no
doubt
annexation
and
the
Meridian
deal
were
the
two
big
pieces
of
that.
So.
D
A
E
A
D
I
move
that
ordinance
2230
be
introduced
in
read
by
the
clerk
by
title
and
synopsis.
Only.
D
B
The
synopsis
is
as
follows:
this
ordinance
authorizes
the
city
of
Bloomington
to
issue
its
General
and
General
Revenue
annual
appropriation
bond
series
2022
in
one
or
more
series
in
the
aggregate
principle
amount
not
to
exceed
29
million
five
hundred
thousand
dollars.
The
bonds
will
be
issued
to
finance
costs
of
constructing,
renovating,
replacing,
repairing,
improving
and
or
equipping
certain
facilities
for
the
city's
police
and
fire
department,
together
with
the
cost
of
issuance
thereof.
Your
committee
do
pass.
Recommendation
was
two
two
five.
C
AA
Thank
you
very
much.
Mayor
John
Hamilton
here
appreciate
it.
I'll
be
brief
tonight
bringing
to
you
this
plan
for
New
and
unprecedented
investments
in
bloomington's,
public
safety
facilities,
implementing
the
transformational
economic
development,
local
income
tax
that
you
all
passed
last
spring
We'll
be
asking
tonight
for
a
vote
to
approve
the
bond
ordinance,
which
will
let
us
price
the
bonds.
This
week
very
important.
As
you
will
hear
shortly,
and
in
coming
couple
weeks
vote
on
appropriation
of
those
proceeds
as
of
as
last
week,
I'm
providing
a
brief
introduction.
AA
Then
tonight
we'll
ask
you
to
hear
from
Buzz
Crone
of
Crone
Associates
on
financial
Bond
components
and
then
Brad
Bingham
of
Barnes
and
Thornburg
attorney
representing
us
here,
and
also
commenting
on
the
amendment
I
believe
after
we
all
present
we're
happy
to
take
questions
from
any
of
us
or
others
who
are
here.
Also
and
I
want
to
thank
for
being
here.
Fire
Chief,
Moore,
Deputy,
police,
chief
Scott,
Oldham,
Deb
Koontz.
AA
Vice
president
of
JS
held
an
architect
and
project
advisor
Deputy,
Mayor,
Griffin
controller
Underwood
attorney,
Larry,
Allen
and
I
appreciate
all
of
them
being
available.
We
shared
with
Council
potential
plans
to
acquire
the
showers
building
CFC
properties
several
months
ago,
as
we
then
began
a
due
diligence
period
that
lasted
about
4
four
months.
AA
We
know
we
need
substantial
investments
in
three
fire
facilities
and
space
for
fire
Administration.
Our
downtown
fire
station
number
one
has
been
closed
since
June
2021
operating
out
of
a
temporary
facility
on
4th
Street.
We
know
our
North
Side
Woodlawn
fire
station
number
three
requires
major
Rehabilitation
or
replacement.
We
know
we
are
losing
leased
property
hosting
the
logistics
and
operations
center
for
the
fire
department,
and
we
know
our
fire
Administration
has
been
operating
out
of
a
temporary
location
as
well
since
June
2021.
AA
AA
AB
AB
I'm
going
to
skip
through
some
of
the
materials
we
went
over
last
week
and
focus
on
some
additional
Graphics
that
we've
put
together
based
on
some
of
the
questions
that
came
up
I
know.
One
of
the
questions
was:
why
did
the
cred
fund
obligation
increase?
That's
a
result
of
the
change
in
the
market
that
we
can
only
Bond
so
much
with
the
two
million
dollar
lit
obligation
and
and
with
the
market
change
that
created
a
need
for
finding
additional
funds.
AB
AB
This
graphic
was
put
together
by
our
underwriting
team
and
what
it
does
it
shows
the
Federal
Open
Market
Committee,
which
is
a
subcommittee
of
the
Federal
Reserve
board.
They
meet
prior
to
those
Federal
Reserve
board
meetings
and
prepare
a
statement
that
makes
recommendations
to
the
Federal
Reserve
board,
which
are
generally
adopted.
The
last
meeting
in
November.
AB
It
was
unanimous
and
one
of
the
recommendations
and
excerpts
from
their
meeting
statement
was
to
continue
interest
rate
increases
until
inflation
comes
down
to
two
percent,
so
we
do
anticipate
that
there's
going
to
be
increasing
interest
rate
pressure
from
the
Federal
Reserve
board.
What
this
chart
shows
is
that
five
of
the
last
seven
meetings
of
The
Reserve
board
resulted
in
increases
in
the
municipal
Bond
Index.
This
this
happens
to
be
the
10-year
MMD
or
Municipal
Market
data
I've
got
some
other
charts,
though,
that
I'd
like
to
supplement
this
this.
AB
AB
AB
AB
The
expectation
is
that
there's
going
to
be
further
increases
and
that
that
trend
is
likely
to
continue
for
a
while
now
keep
in
mind
the
term
that
were
the
the
term
of
these
charts.
This
is
a
a
weekly
chart
going
back
two
years,
I'm
going
to
show
you
an
even
bigger
time
span
here.
This
is
a
50-year
index
of
the
20-year
bonds
and
it
shows
you
know
how
really,
for
the
last
25
years,
we've
been
on
a
pretty
steep
downward
Trend,
but
you
can
see
how
you
know
worst
case
scenario.
AB
We
hope
we
never
get
there
again,
but
there
were
rates
as
high
the
20-year
index
over
14
percent
back
or
right
at
14
back
in
1980
81
on
the
low
end
about
2.2
percent
back
in
January
of
this
year.
Right
now,
it's
at
about
four
and
a
half
percent
again
you're,
only
seeing
a
little
bit
of
a
upward
tick
when
you're
looking
back
50
years,
but
I
think
the
it's.
It's
more
likely
that
that
that
that
index
is
going
to
keep
going
up
then
going
down
is
what
you
know.
AB
I
think
is
the
general
consensus
of
people
in
the
in
the
bond.
Community
are
right
now
and
then
again
the
I
think
the
showers
building
seemed
to
offer
the
most
economic
viability.
I
know
there
were
other
questions,
but
in
terms
of
living
within
the
two
million
dollar
lit
allocation
to
service
debt.
AB
That
was
the
seem
to
be
the
most
bang
for
the
buck.
If
you
will,
other
options
will
likely
increase
the
project
cost
which
could
put
more
pressure
on
finding
other
funds
or
or
maybe
not
doing,
all
of
the
projects
that
are
anticipated
again.
The
we'd
like
to
issue
the
bonds
as
soon
as
possible
before
the
next
Federal
Reserve
meeting,
under
the
assumption
that
it's
likely
to
to
go
up
and
I
think
we
talked
last
time
about
every
25
basis.
AB
Points
of
increased
interest
costs
reduces
our
bonding
capacity
by
over
half
a
million
dollars
about
540
000..
So
that's
that's
sort
of
the
the
rationale
behind
wanting
to
move
forward
before
we
even
appropriate
the
funds
on
the
specific
projects,
because
we're
afraid
that
that
available,
Bond
funding
is
just
going
to
get
smaller
so
again,.
P
Thank
you
again,
Brad
Bingham
attorney
with
Barnes
and
Thornburg
we're
serving
as
Bond
Council
to
the
city
on
this
project.
I,
don't
have
a
fancy
slide
deck,
like
buzz.
I'll,
keep
my
remarks
brief.
So
I
know
we
want
to
get
into
some
questions.
Just
a
quick
summary
of
the
bond
orders
itself
and
the
calendar
here
again.
The
bond
ordinance
is
the
authorization
to
borrow
funds
to
finance
certain
public
facility
projects
which
are
listed
on
exhibit
a
as
we
talked
last
week,
they're
very
broadly
written,
but
they
encompassed.
P
The
four
four
needs
that
the
Administration
has
brought
forth
this
evening.
The
bodowers
would
authorize
a
maximum
principal
amount
not
to
exceed
29.5
million
dollars.
Excuse
payments
would
be
on
January,
1
and
July
1,
beginning
no
earlier
than
July
1
of
23
there's
a
maximum
of
six
percent
interest
rates
with
which
the
bonds
could
bear
again.
Buzz
can
speak
to
what
the
current
market
is.
It's
certainly
something
below
that,
but
we
have
to
set
some
sort
of
a
maximum
rate
there.
It
would
allow
the
bonds
to
be
amortized
over
a
25-year
period.
P
However,
we're
only
looking
at
a
20-year
at
this
point
again,
because
the
longer
you
go
out
it
just
adds
additional
interest
to
the
financing.
Bond
proceeds
would
be
deposited
into
a
construction
fund
and
they
can
only
be
spent
for
the
projects
which
are
described
on
exhibit
a
the
security
for
the
bonds.
It's
a
it's
a
General
Revenue
annual
appropriation
Bond.
P
So
even
though
the
expectation
is
that
you
will
use
a
portion
of
your
Ed
lit
to
pay
debt
service
on
the
bonds,
it's
there's
not
an
actual
formal
legal
pledge
of
those
of
those
revenue
streams,
and
the
implication
is
that
it's
not
a
true
indebtedness
of
the
city,
as
in
the
other
key
Point.
Here
too,
is
the
market
recognizes
that
sort
of
security
structure.
P
They
understand
that
it's
a
moral
obligation
that
the
city
would
make
those
payments
annually
and
the
bonds
have
received
a
rating
of
a
double
A
minus,
which
is
very
close
to
the
general
obligation.
Bond
rating
of
a
double
a
the
city
currently
has,
as
we
talked
about
before
last
week,
the
we
did
not
timely,
publish
a
notice
of
the
additional
appropriation
hearing
on
on
these
Bond
proceeds.
P
That
notice
is
scheduled
to
be
published
this
Friday
on
December
9th,
and
because
of
that,
as
mentioned
earlier,
there
is
a
proposed
amendment
that
would
essentially
remove
the
appropriation
language
from
this
ordinance
and
move
it
over
into
a
separate
ordinance
which
I
believe
and
talk
to
Mr
Lucas
would
be
considered
for
introduction
next
week
and
a
public
hearing
on
December
21st.
P
The
other
item
is
that
other
ordinance
would
also
include
a
specific
language
that
the
council
would
be
approving
the
crc's
I'm.
Sorry,
the
Bloomington
Redevelopment
commission's
acquisition
of
the
Sowers
building,
because
the
purchase
price
is
in
excess
of
five
million
dollars
again
just.
Lastly,
in
terms
of
timetable,
if
approved
this
evening,
as
Buzz
mentioned,
the
plan
would
be
to
sell
bonds
tomorrow
and
set
a
closing
date,
I
believe
of
December
22nd,
the
public
notice,
the
notice
of
public
hearing
additional
appropriation
will
run
this.
P
This
Friday,
the
9th
yeah
we
again
with
the
expectation
of
having
a
introduction
of
this
appropriation
ordinance
on
December
14th
and
the
hearing
and
consideration
of
that
ordinance
on
the
21st
and
with
that
I
think
we're
open
to
any
comments
or
questions.
G
Yes,
thanks
for
the
presentations
I'm
trying
to
wrap
my
head
around
the
finer
points
here
and
the
mention
of
the
separate
ordinance
which
I
it's
not
been
on.
My
radar
complicates
my
question
a
little
bit,
but
so
this
might
be
a
little
bit
naive,
but
does
the
bond
market
care
how
long
the
city
takes
to
decide
what
exactly
it's
going
to
build?
How
long
after
monies
are
approved
received
does
do
do
they
have
to
begin
to
be
spent.
P
Yeah,
that's
a
great
question,
so
so
back
up
a
little
bit,
these
bonds
will
be
issued
on
a
tax-exempt
basis,
and
so
we
have
to
comply
with
certain
federal
income
tax
regulations,
the
biggest
one
of
which
is,
you
have
to
have
a
reason.
P
Part
of
the
reason,
for
that
is
that
it's
very
likely
that,
because
of
the
current
reinvestment
rates,
you're
going
to
earn
Arbitrage,
in
other
words,
there's
going
to
be
return
on
these
proceeds
before
they're
spent
that
succeed
exceeds
the
What's
called
the
bond
yield.
You
can
keep
that
excess
if
they
are
spent
within
a
certain
time
frame.
P
So,
in
response
to
your
question,
the
longer
that
decision
is
made,
you
would
essentially
be
eating
into
what
we
call
the
two-year
construction
spin
down
exception
to
rebate
and
so
I,
wouldn't
my
advice
would
be
don't
wait
too
long
to
make
that
decision.
Bondholders
do
want
to
see
that
there
is
an
expectation
and
they
would
like
that
decision
to
be
made
sooner
rather
later
closer
to
the
issue
date
of
the
of
the
bonds.
Well,.
G
So
I
mean
maybe
you
can
see
the
larger
question
I'm
trying
to
ask
here,
which
is,
unless
we
are
approving
a
specific
site
like
if
we
don't
consider
the
site,
that's
being
proposed
by
the
administration,
to
necessarily
be
the
right
side.
We
don't
know,
but
if
we
don't,
then
we
shouldn't
Vote
for
This
Bond,
but
yet
we
know
we're
going
to
have
to
build
something.
It's
just
a
matter
of
what
and
where.
So.
Why
wouldn't
we
vote
for
the
money,
even
though
we're
not
yet
sure
exactly
what's
going
to
get
built?
P
You
and
again
I
think
part
of
it
comes
back
to
what
Buzz
mentioned,
which
is
no
one.
Has
a
crystal
ball,
the
more
that
rates,
tick
up
on
the
assumption
that
you're,
the
council's
only
earmarking,
essentially
two
million
dollars
per
year
of
Ed
lit
for
Debt
Service
that
that
borrowing
capacity
is
is
going
down,
and
so
the
scope
of
projects
can
be
done,
diminishes
as
well.
I
think
the
administration
would
likely
say:
they've
looked
at
these
other
Alternatives,
all
of
which
have
a
greater
cost.
P
So
even
if
the
certain
components
aren't
decided
upon
or
agreed
upon,
these
other
to
do
other
components
would
would
cost
more
and
so
there'll
still
be
an
expectation
to
spend
the
proceeds
on
essentially
a
costlier
project.
At
this
point,.
G
Okay,
so,
but
just
so
I'm
clear
on
on
my
original
question,
maybe
I
should
ask
Mr
Lucas.
So
is
this
what
is
being
proposed
with
the
division
of
the
question
to
divide
off
the
the
specific
site
to
be
purchased?
R
I,
don't
think
that
was
the
intent
behind
removing
the
additional
appropriation
language,
although
I
take
your
concern
that
that
was
due
to
the
notice
issue
that
the
notice
for
that
additional
appropriation
wasn't
published
in
time,
and
so
it's
now
coming
forward
as
a
separate
item
which
would
also
approve
of
the
Redevelopment
commission's
purchase
agreement
for
the
showers
property,
I
I
would
ask
the
administration.
You
know
if
the
council
supports
the
issuance
of
the
bonds
but
doesn't
support
the
purchase
of
the
showers
building.
What
what
happens.
G
That
would
be
my
question,
then
I
mean
if
the
council
approves
the
bonds
recognizing
that
there
is
a
need
for
Public
Safety
infrastructure
investment,
but
we
don't
necessarily
agree
with
this
particular
recommendation.
Despite
how
you
know
favorable,
it
seems
the
administration.
What
is
your
response.
AA
AA
If
you
disagree
with
the
proposed
purchase
of
the
showers
building,
but
we
have
the
bond
proceeds,
Plan
B
as
we
as
we
said,
and
the
answer
would
be.
We
know
we
need
to
do
very
substantial
fire
Investments
over
10
million
dollars,
which
we
would
proceed
with.
We
if
we
were
not
to
purchase
the
showers
I,
think
our
approach
would
be
looking
at.
C
So
Mr
Boland
pretty
much
asked
my
question
and
the
mayor
just
answered
it.
So
thank
you.
I
Yes,
thank
you
so
I
have
some
questions
about
the
cost
comparisons
in
the
packet
addendum
that
we
received
earlier
this
week,
comparing
the
purchase
and
renovation
of
the
showers
CFC
building
versus
expansion
of
the
Bloomington
Police
Department
station
that
exists.
Now
there
are
a
few
fees
that
I
don't
understand.
So
there's
a
line
item
that
says
fees,
parentheses,
AE
owners,
rep
Etc,
and
it's
significantly
less
for
showers
than
for
the
BPD
expansion.
Could
you
explain
that
I'm.
AC
Thank
you
so,
at
this
early
stage
in
the
process
that
is
typically
a
function
of
the
size
of
the
project,
so
it
is
a
percentage
of
the
size
of
the
project,
so
the
large
of
the
project,
the
larger
that
percentage,
is
so
on
on
public
project.
Well,
on
Commercial
projects,
you
are
required
to
have
a
licensed
architecture,
engineer
stamp
your
drawings,
so
that
they
are
per
code,
and
so
those
are
fees
that
are
necessary
in
order
to
make
the
project
function.
So
that
is
a
requirement
of
that.
AC
So
the
the
option
that
is
addition
is
is
the
addition
includes
the
addition
and
the
renovation,
and
so
that
I
will
double
check
it
to
make
sure
that
the
math
is
correct,
but
typically
that
you
have
to
look
at
the
total
construction
value,
and
that
is
a
percentage
of
the
total
construction
value
purchase,
not
the
purchase
price.
It
doesn't
have
anything
to
do
with
the
purchase
of
the
property.
It
is
a
percentage
of
the
construction.
AC
So
that
might
be
somebody
like
me
that
helps
as
an
external
advisor.
I
If
I
may
related
question,
there's
also
a
line
item
that
says
owner's
contingency
where
the
BPD
expansion
is
also
significantly
more
expensive
than
showers.
Could
you
please
explain
that.
AC
So
again,
typically,
what
we
have
assumed
there
is
a
10
percent
owner's
contingency,
and
that
is
an
industry
standard.
At
this
stage
of
the
of
the
project,
and
again
it
is
a
function
of
the
size
of
the
construction
value
it
has
no
bearing
on
propert
property
purchase
at
all.
It
is
totally
a
function
of
the
construction
value
or
the.
AC
It
paid
for
the
construction
contingency,
so
construction
contingency
is
util,
so
we
are
very
early
in
the
process
right
and
when
you're
very
early
in
the
process,
not
every
detail
is
figured
out
yet
so
the
owner's
construction
contingency
is
to
accommodate.
If
there
are
fluctuations,
if
there's
something
that
we
find
in
the
project
as
we
get
into
the
design
of
it,
it
is
also
used
during
construction.
So
sometimes
in
construction
we
might
tear
down
a
wall
and
find
that
there
is
a
plumbing
pipe.
AC
That
was
not
expected
to
be
where
it
is,
and
so
we
call
those
unforeseen
conditions
and
that
construction
contingency
is
used
to
cover
those
unforeseen
conditions.
It's
a
very
typical
standard
approach
for
all
construction
projects.
Every
construction
project
that
you
begin
at
this
stage
always
will
have
a
construction
contingency.
AC
AC
Yes,
owner's
contingency
and
construction.
Contingency
ultimately
are
the
same
thing.
It's
just
a
semantics
yeah
we
I
called
it
owner's
contingency
because,
ultimately,
it's
the
owner's
decision
right
it'll
be
your
decision
where
those
how
those
monies
are
spent.
So
it's
not
the
contractor's
decision.
G
Yeah,
let
me
pull
it
up
here,
so
I'm
not
sure
whether
Ms
Kunz
can
help
us
with
this
or
not.
But
one
of
the
things
that
I
was
interested
in
was
the
response
of
members
of
the
police,
Union
and
one
of
the
strong
sentiments
they
had
in
their
reaction
to
this
over
the
past
week
is
the
the
parking
the
which
I
love
parking,
but
the
Ingress
and
egress
and
the.
Let
me
pull
up
the
the
note
here,
but
I
guess
what
I
want
to
know
is.
G
Was
there
any
thought
I
mean
what
does
the
administration's
take
on
the
concerns
of
people
who'd
be
using
this
particular
area
for
Ingress
and
egress
I
mean
I
I've
looked,
you
know,
I
looked
at
the
the
map,
the
beeline
Trail
there's
there
are
no
major
thoroughfares,
there's
barely
I
mean
eighth
street
is
barely
a
street
and
Rogers
to
get
to
Rogers
you're,
going
basically
through
another
parking
lot.
But
what
are
the?
What
are?
G
What
were
the
thoughts
about
physical
access
to
police
cars
on
this
site?
Sure.
AC
Well,
let
me
offer
a
couple
comments
and
then
I'll
maybe
allow
deputy
chief
Oldham
to
come
up
and
share
thoughts
as
well.
So
we
did
analysis
that
we
provided
to
you
last
week
of
the
two
sites
showing
how
you
come
in
and
out
of
the
parking
lot,
both
at
the
existing
Police
Department,
as
well
as,
what's
being
proposed
at
showers.
AC
Clearly
at
the
showers
building,
there
is
a
clear
path:
North
that
takes
you
out
to
10th
and
off
over
to
Rogers
and
then
to
the
South
8th
Street
to
Rogers
as
well.
There
is
I
think
part
of
the
per
perceived
challenge
there
is
that
it
feels
tighter
than
the
police
the
current
police
station
right.
The
current
police
station
also
has
two
ways
out:
one
going:
you
know
one
way
and
then
one
going
opposite
direction.
AC
Even
last
week
we
heard
the
chief
say
that
our
police
officers
are
used
to
having
lots
of
people
around,
because
there's
Parks
right,
there's
other
things
that
are
happening
there
in
terms
of
how
the
maybe
Rank
and
file
feel
about
where
that
accident
want
to.
Let
deputy
chief
speak
to
that,
but
I.
AC
How
would
we
get
our
cars
out
of
there
right
so
one
if
a
majority
of
the
cars
would
be
likely
in
the
trades
garage,
and
we
shared
those
numbers
with
you?
They
have
access
directly
onto
10th
Street,
so
we
know
that
they
are
going
to
have
that
immediate
access
onto
10th
Street,
even
if
that
street
that's
east
of
the
trades
garage,
is
actually
blocked.
AC
Additionally,
as
the
chief
and
I
talk
through
it
in
an
emergency
right,
there
actually
is
a
sidewalk
that
goes
to
the
beeline
Trail
and
very
like
it
is
large
enough
for
a
car
very
likely.
The
path
would
be
is
that
police
car
would
go
up
on
the
sidewalk
and
they
would
go
out
the
beeline
Trail.
That
is
most
likely
the
scenario
and
the
chief
and
I
both
agreed.
That
is
the
most
likely
scenario
if
the
north
path
and
the
South
path
are
both
blocked.
AC
So
there
is
an
alternate
path
in
an
emergency
situation,
so
those
are
some
thoughts
and,
as
we
looked
at
both
sides
and
now
deputy
chief,
do
you
want
to
add.
AD
Scott
open
the
deputy
chief,
not
sugarcoating,
it
it'll
be
a
concern,
but
we
work
with
an
incredible
staff
who
would
do
a
tremendous
job
every
day?
The
officers
are
very
cognizant
of
what
they're
doing
their
challenges
everywhere.
No
matter
what
decision
you
reach,
we
will
have
a
challenge
where
we're
at
we'll
have
a
challenge
at
showers.
We
would
have
a
challenge
in
a
new
building.
It's
just
things
we
would
have
to
adapt
to
over
time,
but.
G
I
mean
just
to
be
clear:
Third
Street,
where
the
station
person
currently
is
is
a
primary
arterial.
I
mean,
like
the
surely
I
mean.
Do
you
consider
the
station
to
be
on
Third
Street
or
on
Lincoln
in
Washington.
AD
Well,
certainly,
the
front
entrance
is
on
Third
Street,
but
Lincoln
and
Washington
clearly
are
paths
that
the
cars
take
coming
and
going
on
calls
for
service
most
of
the
Black
and
Whites
the
the
patrol
units
Park
in
the
rear
parking
lot,
which
you
don't
have
Ingress
egress
directly
to
Third
Street.
You
have
to
use
Lincoln
or
Washington
if
you're
going
south.
C
Okay,
thank
you.
I
think
this
is
a
question
for
Miss.
Coons
can
I
ask
two
questions
and
one
is
there's
a
in
the
slides.
We
got
cost
comparison
that
shows
23
5
was
the
renovation.
25
was
the
BFD
and
BPD
expanded
the
police
department
and
the
other
one
is
the
new
building
for
BFD
and
Bloomington
Police
Department
at
31..
C
So
this
was
through
my
mind
last
time
we
were
talking
about
this
too.
Is
that
the
overall
cost
of
the
renovation,
the
top
the
figure
in
the
documents
is
34
million,
is
probably
the
top
at
least
that's
what
that's
what
it
says,
I
mean.
So
these
are
all.
As
you
said,
these
are
it's
very
very
early
on.
AC
Is
yeah
absolutely
so
we
are
really
in
the
process,
but
we
can
still
do
good
cost
estimates
that
lead
us
to
a
good
decision.
So
I
want
to
come
back
to
your
comment
about
the
34
million
and
what
was
in
the
study
right.
So
the
study
that
was
originally
done
by
Spring
Point
Architects
and
their
consultant
out
of
Boston
did
identify
a
34
million
dollar
project
for
how
the
police
might
fit
into
the
shower's
building.
You
may
recall
from
the
memo
that
was
provided.
There
were
many
adjustments
that
were
done
after
they
did
that
study.
AC
So
that
is
a
change
that
we
have
made
because
after
talking
with
the
chief,
that
is
not
something
we're
doing
and
I
I
would
tell
you
we're
building
a
90,
000
square
foot
new
facility
in
Lafayette.
Indiana
there
is
no
exterior
ballistic
glass,
even
in
a
brand
new
facility,
so
we
in
that
34
million
they
identified
that
we
would
have
a
new,
independent
mechanical
and
electrical
system
specifically
for
the
police,
and
there
we've
come
to
the
agreement
that
that
is
not
necessary.
Now
we
do
need
a
generator,
so
that
is
in
there
right.
AC
So
those
are
the
kinds
of
changes
that
have
been
made
so
I
think
to
compare
the
34
million
of
the
showers
building
with
police
originally
in
the
spring.
Point
study
is
really
not
a
fair
comparison
right
now
to
where
we
are.
We
have
very
different
scope
and
again
intentional,
though
right
very
intentional
decisions
about
okay,
are
we
going
to
do
the
Cadillac?
AC
AA
Me
just
add:
if
I
made
it
if
I
followed
your
question
as
well,
one
other
component
of
it
council,
member
Smith,
noting
that
there's
a
two
million
dollar
difference
approximately
between
the
showers
project
and
the
expansion
at
the
existing
Police
Department,
which
is
not
a
huge
difference
and
and
I
recognize
that
it
is
more
expensive,
I.
Think
from
our
perspective
and
again
I.
You
know
we're
not
asking
you
to
make
this
final
decision
tonight,
but
knowing
that
you
want
to
talk
about
it,
the
big
the
big
differences
between
those
two
approaches.
AA
Besides
the
two
million
dollars,
are
several
number
one.
Expanding
the
current
location
for
the
police
department
would
not
achieve
the
co-location
benefits
that
we
think
are
very
important
in
co-locating,
our
fire
and
our
police
together
and
with
City
Hall
and
the
ability
to
work
in
an
integrated
city
government
number
one
number
two.
Such
an
expansion
at
the
current
site
would
offer
really
no
other
expansion
opportunities
in
any
Financial
feasible
way.
So
we
would
be
locked
into
a
facility
that
our
belief
is,
may
not
be
big
enough
within
10
or
15
years.
AA
So
so
that's
another
big
negative.
Another
concern
would
be
rehabbing.
The
current
Police
Department
would
be
extremely
disruptive
to
the
police
department,
while
that's
going
on,
we
probably
have
to
we
didn't
look
at
costs
of
relocating
or
what
that
would
mean
as
compared
to
the
showers
building
where
they
can
continue
to
operate,
where
they
are
no
change.
When
this
building
is
ready,
they
can
move
in
and
it's
much
much
easier
to
do
that.
So
those
are
among
the
reasons
besides
just
the
pure
cost
differential,
that
to
us
urge
that
the
showers
is
the
better
approach.
C
You
very
much
I
do
have
this
one
more
question
for
Miss
coont
shall
I
go
ahead,
so
so
I'm
not
an
architect
and
the
if
you're,
if
you're,
building
a
new
building,
you
can
build
it
with
modern
day
standards
and
modern
day
functionality
for
whatever
purpose
and
if
you're
going
to
rehab
one
you're
going
to
retrofit
a
lot
of
things.
C
So
that
gives
me
pause
as
well,
and
it's
it's
something
that
makes
me
think
of
that.
It's
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
unintended
Surprises
with
that
building.
It's
a
it's
an
historic
building
and
that's
going
to
have
to
be
worked
around
and
who
knows
how
the
infrastructure
of
that
building,
the
the
you
know
the
the
Integrity
of
the
building
itself.
If
we're
going
to
think
about
that
for
a
20-year
40-year
structure
for
the
police
department,
I
I'm
I,
it
gives
me
pause
to
think
about
that
is
there?
AC
I'd
love
to
opine
about
historic
buildings,
so
it
is
a
historic
building
right,
which
is
great
and
and
sometimes
a
challenge
right,
I
think
we
all
know
that,
interestingly
enough,
it
is
a
solid
building.
There's
no
doubt
about
that
in
my
mind,
and
as
we
look
at
even
in
the
studies
that
were
done
by
Tabor
Bruce
on
that
I
think
they
they
reinforce
that
the
you
know
you
will,
on
the
historic
side,
there's
really
no
limitations
on
the
inside
from
a
history.
AC
Let's
talk
about
the
historic
for
a
second
right:
there's
no
limitations
on
the
from
the
historic
side
on
the
inside
anything
on
the
outside
that
might
change
right.
There
are
you
have
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
that
we'll
have
to
go
through
that
as
part
of
your
standard
process.
Here
there
from
what
I
can
see,
we
have
very
little
if
any
changes
to
the
outside
of
the
building.
AC
We
are
going
to
have
some
signage
that
we
need
to
deal
with
we're
going
to
have
a
generator,
so
we're
going
to
have
to
fence
it
right,
because
those
are
there's
requirements
around
that.
So
there
are
going
to
be
I
would
say
very
few
historic
building
related
requirements
as
a
result
of
what
you're
doing,
because
most
of
your
changes
on
the
inside,
which
is
not
governed
by
those
historic
requirements.
Now
the
question
of
to
opine
about
will
we
find
more
things
in
a
renovation
right
versus?
AC
AC
At
the
same
time,
if
you're
building
a
new
construction-
and
you
suddenly
find
that
you
have
soft
soils-
and
you
have
to
dig
out
an
extra
three
feet
over
the
entire
area
of
the
building
I
would
contend
that
just
as
much,
if
not
more,
of
a
problem
when
it
comes
to
unforeseen,
so
I
think
there
are
trade-offs
in
either.
One
I
do
believe
when
you're
doing
new
construction,
you
can
build
in
some
efficiencies
in
the
layout.
AC
If
you
have
I
would
say
a
fairly
regular
site
or
a
rectangular
site,
so
I
do
think
you
get
that
and
you
are
going
to
make
some
choices
and
within
an
existing
building
about.
Are
we
willing
to
live
with
six
less
inches
in
a
room,
because
this
existing
wall
is
here?
So
let's
make
that
room
six
inches
less
now?
Will
it
still
function
appropriately
absolutely
and
we
would
always
side
with
the
decision
that
will
the
function
that
is
planned
for
the
room
function
within
that
existing
space
or
not?
AC
Every
project
has
its
complications,
and
you
know
one
of
the
things
that's
going
on
right
now.
You
heard
it
earlier
about.
You
know:
inflation
and
cost
going
up,
but
construction
cost
that
you
know.
That's
why
there
was
this.
Even
the
increase
that
we
talked
about
from
a
couple
weeks
ago
is
it
is.
It
is
a
busy
busy
construction
world
so.
E
Take
a
round
one!
Thank
you
for
your
patience
with
all
these
questions
I.
My
understanding
is
that
obviously,
we've
talked
about
the
fact
that
some
of
the
concerns
about
showers
have
to
do
with
Ingress
and
egress,
the
34
million
figure
for
renovations
and
so
forth
that
just
focused
on
changes
to
the
building
itself,
correct
so
and
again,
and
the
question
I'm
heading
toward
is
in
other
words,
if
at
some
point
we
need
to
make
changes
externally
that
allow
for
better
Ingress
or
egress.
AC
L
E
Okay,
I'll
just
leave
that
there,
okay
and
the
second
question
I'm,
not
sure
who
to
direct
this
to
you,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
I
understand
the
process
correctly.
So
I'm,
hearing
three
steps.
One
is
the
approval
of
the
bond
issue.
That's
what's
before
us
right
now.
Second,
is
the
appropriation
which
has
been
which
we're
going
to
be
theoretically
separating
out.
If
this
amendment
passes,
and
then
third
is
the
approval
of
the
purchase
itself-
is
that
oh
leaping
to
The
Fray
You.
P
You
nailed
it
that's
exactly
right
and
it's
those
the
last
two
are
really
going
to
be
in
the
same
ordinance
so
that
that
appropriation,
so
the
authority
to
spin
the
proceeds
that
will
that
will
follow
and
in
that
same
ordinance
and
I
think
Mr
Lucas
has
a
copy
is
also
that
that
specific
Authority
for
the
Redevelopment
commission
to
purchase
the
showers
building
again,
we
talked
about
this
last
week.
We
think
that's
inherent
in
the
bond
orders
itself,
but
just
to
remove
any
doubt
make
sure
that
we're
following
statute.
P
We
split
that
off
into
a
separate
piece
of
legislation
for
the
council
to
consider.
E
P
Would
be
the
purchase
of
showers
for
the
project,
I
believe
it's
how
it's
defined
in
the
bond
in
the
ordinance
itself.
So
it's
it's
sort
of
it's
approving
the
purchase
in
in
the
agreement,
because
that's
referenced
as
well.
In.
P
That
accurate,
it
approves
the
C,
the
Redevelopment
commission's
agreement
to
purchase
it
because
that
purchase
price
is
in
excess
of
five
million
dollars.
There's
already
a
signed
agreement
in
place
to
purchase
it
to
have
the
right
to,
but
until
it's
actually
decided
you
don't
actually
have
to
purchase
it,
I
mean
that
agreement
I
think
is
in
the
packets
you
received
so
that
purchase
agreement
with
the
Amendments.
P
E
P
E
And
while
I
have
Mr
may
I
follow
up
councilmember
Roland's
question
earlier
was
really
interesting
to
me
and
that's
like
how
long
do
we
have
to
decide
what
we
do
with
this
and
I
I
still
wasn't
able
to
figure
out
the
answer
based
on
what
you
said
is
it
weeks?
Is
it
days?
Is
it
years?
Is
it
I.
P
Would
put
it
in
days
I,
wouldn't
my
recommendation
would
be
to
make
that
decision
as
soon
as
possible,
again
I
if
the
IRS
were
to
ever
audit
your
bond
issue
I
would
not
want
this
to
linger
for
weeks
and
months.
Etc
I
mean
it.
It
is
something
you
want
to
have
put
to
bed
so
to
speak
as
soon
as
possible,
so
that
you
can
start
showing
and
and
making
sure
you
that
the
monies
are
in
fact
spent
down
in
a
timely
fashion.
Thank
you
for
that.
AA
Thank
you,
Layman,
maybe
also
mentioning.
If
the
Council
on
the
21st
approves
the
purchase
of
the
showers
building
with
an
ordinance
and
the
approval
of
the
RDC,
we
will
proceed
to
buy
the
showers
building.
We
have
a
right
to
do
that,
but
we
have
to
close
by
January
31st
under
the
purchase
agreement
and
all
that
stuff,
and
we
would
proceed
to
do
it
and
proceed
with
the
all
the
all
the
hundreds
of
things
that
happen.
AA
In
order
to
accomplish
that,
if
the
council
decides
on
the
21st
not
to
purchase
the
shower's
building,
it
does
not
approve
the
purchase
of
the
shower's
building,
then
we
won't
buy
the
shower's
building
and
instead
we
will
develop
Plan
B,
which
I
describe,
which
is
we
know
we
have
to
do
that.
We'll
start.
AA
The
work
on
the
on
the
fire
department
is
is
essential
to
get
to
get
that
work
going
we'd
proceed
with
those
three
fire
projects,
three
plus
the
administration
building,
and
we
would
develop
an
alternative
plan
for
the
police,
which
likely
would
be
rehab.
The
existing
facility
do
the
best
we
can
with
the
20
000
square
feet
that
they
have
and
then
look
to
other
uses
of
those
funds
as
quickly
as
we
can
in
the
capital
plan.
But
we
won't
we're
not
going
to
ask
you
to.
A
We
are
in
first
round
question
here:
I
haven't
had
a
chance
to
ask
a
question
I'd
like
to
ask
one
that
has
been
referred
to.
We
we
went
over
this
last
week,
but
the
follow-up
questions
that
we
had
asked.
This
comes
to
from
an
email
that
was
sent
to
us
trying
to
answer
some
of
our
questions,
but
this
one
has
to
do
with
if
the
council
wished
to
fund
some,
but
not
all
of
the
projects
listed
in
exhibit
a.
A
How
would
the
administration
respond
to
an
amendment
to
reduce
the
total
bond
amount
and
or
to
revise
the
list
of
projects,
and
the
answer
that
came
back
to
us
was
the
administration
does
not
support
amendments
generally
to
this
ordinance.
If
there
are
specific
amendments
or
issues
being
considered,
we
would
encourage
a
discussion
of
those
ahead
of
time.
A
A
A
AA
We
would
not
support
a
a
splitting
that
says
we're
going
to
do
the
police
departments
later
we're
going
to
look
at
police
changes
later,
partly
for
efficiency
of
the
bond
proceeds,
but
partly
because
we
believe
that
would
mean
we
would
lose
the
showers
which
we
think
is.
We've
recommended
the
right
way
to
go.
If
this,
if
this
body
were
to
think
we
know,
we
want
to
fund
the
police,
the
fire,
10
and
a
half
million
project.
So
let's
cut
the
bond
size
down
to
10
and
a
half
million.
It's.
AA
We
would
be
postponing
important
improvements
in
the
police
department,
which
we
think
are
important
and,
and
we
don't
know
of
a
better
option-
we've
been
looking
at
it
for
months,
but
if
there's
a
suggestion
of
a
better
option,
we're
happy
to
hear
it,
but
just
to
put
off
if,
if
there's
a
suggestion
that
there's
a
better
police
approach,
we'd
love
to
hear
the
suggestion
or
or
talk
about
it,
we
just.
We
believe
this
is
the
right
approach.
AA
A
D
Okay,
just
so
for
clarity,
you
know
this
is
I,
think
the
The
Dilemma
for
me
is
sort
of
bifurcation
between
showers
or
renovating
the
present
police
station.
D
I
I,
don't
know
if
I've
seen
full
evidence
that
there
aren't
other
possibilities.
Could
you
could
you
address
that
mayor
Hamilton
I
mean,
for
instance,
we
own
other
properties
in
the
city,
but
I
I
I,
assume
that,
as
you
say,
with
the
the
list
in
your
exhibit
of
of
the
various
facilities
that
are
needed
and
what
is
remaining
for
the
showers
purchase
or
the
or
the
renovation
is
just
too
little
in
terms
of
a
de
novo,
a
new
facility.
D
AA
Haven't
knowing
yeah,
okay,
we
looked
at
a
number
of
options,
including
a
brand
new
Public
Safety
headquarters
right
with
with
Police
Headquarters
police
station
and
fire
Administration.
AA
We
assume
zero
land
cost
for
that,
and
still
it's
it's.
We
just
don't
have
the
money
to
do
it.
It's
substantially
more
expensive
to
build
such
a
facility.
We
even
just
compared
a
35,
000
square
foot
I
think,
is
what
we
looked
at,
which
which
doesn't
really
leave
expansion
space.
So
it's
just.
It's
just
costs
a
lot
more
to
build
a
brand
new
Public
Safety
headquarters
that
we
don't
have
the
money
for,
and
we
did
that
analysis
and
Ms
Koontz
would
be
happy
to
go
through
that
more.
If
you
want.
D
No,
that's
quite
a
right.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
our
you
know
our
options
are
limited
and
they
seem
to
be
limited
by
cost.
I
understand
could
I
ask
if
another
follow-up
question,
if
I
might
have
of
regarding
the
interest
rates
so
I
mean
part.
Part
of
the
urgency
of
this,
of
course,
is
to
is
to
make
sure
that
we,
we
don't
add
extra
extra
costs
because
of
interest
rate.
The
primary
Rising,
but
my
understand
is
that
Jerome
Powell
said
that
any
further
increases
would
be
moderate.
AB
The
graphs
you
have
to
kind
of
keep
in
context
the
the
time
span,
the
the
one
that
showed
the
last
seven
months
of
the
Fed
meetings
and
and
showed
five
increases
in
seven
meetings.
Two
of
them
did
drop
a
little
bit.
AB
D
AB
D
AB
The
the
the
Green
Dot
shows
about
where-
and
this
is
a
10-year
MMD
also
so
it's
it's
not
the
same
as
we're
doing
a
20-year
Bond,
but
this
this
the
the
shorter
term
indicators
it
did
come
down
after
the
last
ones.
It
was
only
a
25
basis.
Point
increase
I
think
it
went
from
375
to
4
on
the
FED
lending
rate.
AB
If
we
go
to
the
next
slide,
it
shows
what
the
week
by
week,
everyone
there's
two
years
of
I.
Think
there's
104
data
points
on
that
chart,
but
you
can
see
from
January
to
October
where
that
20-year
index
is
and
and
it's
on
a
pretty
steep
upward
trend
and
the
third
index,
the
the
next
slide
that
shows
50
years.
AB
D
Okay,
that
adds
some
clarity.
Thank
you.
H
Thank
you.
My
questions
were
answered
by
fellow
colleagues
that
with
their
questions,
so
thank
you
well
do
have
one
thing
and
I
know
this
is
hard
and
I
hate
to
be.
H
But
the
mayor
said:
option
a
option
b
and
we've
talked
about
other
things.
We've
talked
about
down
in
the
trades
District
we've
talked
at
the
beginning.
We
talked
about
a
public
safety
campus
even
in
Hopewell
and
I
know
that's
been
some
time
ago,
and
that
was
always
interesting
to
me
to
have
a
public
safety
campus
and
so
we've
kind
of
got
away
from
that.
But
that's
kinda
I
think
what
the
showers
is,
but
I
guess.
My
specific
question
is
option
a
option
b.
AA
Thank
you
for
the
question.
I'll
try
to
answer
it
I
think
we
are
proposing
a
public
safety
campus
with
the
with
what
we're,
recommending
and
I
think
it's
a
very,
very
valuable
thing
for
the
city
to
bring
our
police
and
fire
departments
together
and
actually
even
even
better,
to
have
them
connected
and
and
collaborating
in
space
with
the
rest
of
city
government.
AA
So
I
think
we
are
proposing
that
when
I,
when
we
answered
adoption
a
and
option
b
that
has
whittled
down
from
option
C,
D
and
E
right,
which
is
which
is
absolutely
correct,
we
try
to
outline
some
of
those
option.
C
could
be
a
standalone
new
Public
Safety
campus
in
another
place
and
that
that's
just
cost
prohibitive.
As
we've
looked
at
that
option,
I
don't
know
if
we
have
option
D
E
I
know
the
fire
department
has
looked
at
a
number
of
options.
AA
Besides
rehabbing
downtown
station
one,
they
looked
at
building
a
brand
new
station
one
and
we
thought
we
would
have
to
do
that.
Actually,
because
we
didn't
think
we
could
reuse
the
current
station,
but
through
a
lot
of
hard
work
and
due
diligence
and
and
intensive
analysis,
we
decided
we
can
do
that
and
that's
much
less
expensive
than
building
a
brand
new
station
one.
Similarly
for
fire
station
three
another
option
was:
let's
build
a
brand
new
station.
Three.
AA
But
in
the
end,
in
terms
of
the
whole
package,
it
came
down
to
the
proposal
that
we're
making
with
showers
and
the
fire
facilities
or
just
the
fire
facilities,
and
then,
let's
do
whatever
rehab
we
can
with
the
current
Police
Department,
which
I
think
would
be
not
advantageous
and
not
optimal,
but
is
would
be
the
second
best
option.
I
think.
I
Yes,
I
have
so
many
questions:
okay,
the
I'm
concerned
about
the
the
safety
aspects
of
showers,
West
or
CFC
showers,
which
of
course
has
not
been
used
as
a
public
safety
facility.
Before
in
the
castle
booths
report,
they
mentioned
several
things
that
would
be
required
for
this
to
be
used
as
a
police
station
fencing
around
the
parking
lot.
AC
So
of
those
of
those
that
you
listed
earlier,
you
heard
me
say
about
exterior
ballistic
glass.
We
do
not
have
any
exterior
ballistic
glass
so
that
one
is
not
Incorporated.
AC
The
special
considerations
for
ventilation
is
specifically
geared
toward
the
evidence
and
processing
areas.
So
yes,
that
is
definitely
all
Incorporated
I,
don't
I
think
everything
else
you
you
had
on
that
list
is
is
incorporated.
The
the
the
secure
area,
where
there's
lines
on
the
drawings.
Actually
that
call
it
at
a
secure
area
that
has
that
special
ballistics
walls.
We
have
that
in
there
as
well.
AC
That
is
probably
not
in
the
closet
right
now.
Could
that
could
be
one
of
those
things
that
you
choose
to
use
your
owner's
contingency
or
construction
contingency
for
the
chief
did
mention
that
last
week
before
he
left
that
it
may
be
something
that
he
wants
us
to
look
at
as
to
adding
the
fencing
from
a
secure
parking
perspective
being
in
the
trades
garage.
AC
If
you
had
pulled
into
the
trades
garage
from
the
South
Side,
you
go
into
I
think
they
actually
call
it
the
basement
area,
but
there's
about
50
spots
down
there
parking
spots
that
don't
have
any
windows.
It's
highly
secure,
so
I
think
that
trying
to
identify
that
and
clarify
that
is
the
area
you
know
in
identified.
Zoned
off
area
for
police
is
definitely
of
interest
to
the
chief.
I
And
so
Castle,
Bose
and
I'm
don't
know
if
I'm
pronouncing
that
correctly,
but
they
are
experts
in
public
safety
facilities.
So
why
would
you
ignore
their
recommendation
about
exterior
ballistic
glass?
We.
AC
Are
not
ignoring
it,
we
consulted
with
them.
In
fact,
they
were
part
of
the
conversation
with
the
chief
when
we
talked
about
it
and
they
said
that
that's
where
they
start
with
every
building
that
they
do
from
a
security
perspective,
but
as
they
talk
through
each
individual
community.
In
the
end,
it
is
a
community's
decision
about
whether
that
will
be
included
or
not
so
Kessel
Bowes
Todd
is
his
name
was
very
much
involved
in
those
conversations.
AC
Have
no
ballistics
they
do
not
and
as
I
shared
earlier
sorry
for
the
interruption
but
as
I
shared
earlier,
you
know
we're
building
a
brand
new
building
in
Lafayette.
They
also
have
no
ballistic
glass
on
the
exterior
in
a
brand
new
public
safety
building.
AC
I
The
security
as
we're
talking
about
security,
the
in
the
the
line
item
estimates
comparing
the
expansion
of
the
current
BPD
station
with
the
renovation
of
showers.
The
same
amount
was
listed
for
security,
660
thousand
dollars
for
each.
This
doesn't
make
sense
to
me,
since
the
security
needs
of
the
BPD
expansion
must
I
mean.
Logically,
they
would
be
a
lot
less,
because
you'd
only
be
securing
newly
securing
the
part
that
you're
adding
on
to
the
building.
The
rest
is
already
secure,
whereas
in
CFC
showers
you'd
have
to
secure
the
whole
thing.
AC
A
good
question:
that's
a
really
good
question,
I
think
when
we
think
about
the.
If
when
we
do
the
BPD,
if
you
do
that
with
the
addition,
you
would
actually
be
reconfiguring
the
existing
building
as
well
as
adding
on
right.
So
then
there
would
be
some
modifications
to
that
existing
building
as
a
result
of
that,
but
I
think
it's
a
fair
question
and
one
we
can
continue
to
look
at
as
to
whether
it
would
be
the
full
660
000
or
not.
AC
AC
G
Thank
you.
Yes,
I
think
I've
made
sort
of
my
current
stance
fairly
clear
in
that
I'm,
generally
speaking
for
this
Bond
agnostic
about
the
the
showers
building
and
against
the
use
of
Creed
dollars,
which
is
I,
think
a
small
portion
in
the
end
of
the
total
project,
that's
being
contemplated.
G
One
thing
I'd
like
to
know
I'm,
not
sure
who
to
ask
this
question
of
is
when
would
be
the
earliest
that
the
administration
might
attempt
to
appropriate
dollars
from
the
Creeds
fund,
like
is
that
anytime
soon
or
is
that
way
down
the
road
I
mean
it
sounds
like
you're
using
it
as
sort
of
insurance
and
you're
hoping
you
don't
need
to
spend
that
money.
I
would
certainly
hope.
That's
the
case,
but
when
would
be
the
earliest
that
the
administration
would
seek
to
appropriate
money
from
the
cree.
AA
I
don't
know
if
controller
Underwood
is
on
in
a
sense,
you're
right.
The
Creed
is
used
to
show
us
where
we
are
to
make
to
make
sure
we
can
get
to
that
34
million
dollar
price
tag.
You
know
if
we
sell
the
police
department
for
3.75
instead
of
three,
that
adds
three
quarters
of
a
million
dollars.
If
we,
if
we
financially
engineer
some
things,
so
it
is
the
it
is
the
most
flexible
among
that
funding.
I,
don't
know
the
exact
timing.
There's
controller
Underwood
thanks.
AE
Good
evening,
can
you
hear
me
all
right?
Yes,
Jeff,
Underwood,
City
controller.
We
would
do
that
once
we
have
the
bids
in
for
the
different
facilities
to
compare
against
the
revenue
stream.
So
we
would.
The
first
thing
that
will
happen
is
obviously
the
bond
sales.
So
we'll
know
what
the
net
proof
seats
are
there.
Then
we
go
to
out
the
design
and
bid
that
gives
us
the
cost
element
of
it.
AE
We
subtract
that
from
the
bond
proceeds
that
then
tells
us
the
amounts
of
monies
that
we
would
need
setting
aside
money
for
the
sale.
For
that,
so
I
would
imagine
it
would
be
sometime
in
2023
when
we
would
come
back
for
the
appropriation
of
those
funds.
G
AE
Yes,
okay,
it's
it's
a
little
hard
for
me
to
see
from
an
eye
contact
whether
you're.
Looking
if
you're
looking
at
the
mayor
looking
at
me,
yeah
I
under
certainly
understand
that
and
I
think
the
mayor's
made
the
comment
that
you
know.
We
will
go
down
the
list
of
projects
and
then
it
will
be
subject
to
available
funding,
and
so
should
you
not
choose
to
appropriate
then
we
would
adjust
the
projects
themselves
we
would
have
to.
AE
This
is
similar
to
what
you
did
with
the
two
Geo
bonds,
where
you
approved
a
list
kind
of
in
priority
order,
and
we've
said:
if,
if
you
know,
if
we
get
down
to
the
bottom
in
that
list
and
we
can't
fund
them,
then
the
funds
just
aren't
there.
So
this
would
be
a
similar
case
to
that.
But
obviously
that
would
be
in
communication
with
with
the
council.
G
Good
answer:
I
I
saw
the
mayor
coming
to
the
podium
or
maybe
Mr
Moore
either,
but
I
just
want
to
know
like
do
you
see
why
I
might
feel
like
I'm
I'm,
that
by
voting
for
this
Bond
I'm
obligating
myself
to
vote
for
Creed
dollars
as
well?
What
say
you.
AF
Fire
chief,
not
the
financial
expert,
but
I-
would
obviously
like
to
to
point
out
what
Mr
Underwood
said,
which
is
we
start
with
the
bond
funds
if
we
need
the
Creed,
but
I
will
also
tell
you
we
are
at
the
highest
point.
These
are
all
budgetary
estimates.
We
will
do
our
due
diligence
to
try
to
keep
all
those
projects
low.
You
know
we're
not
looking
for
The
Cadillacs
we're
not
looking
for
those
things.
So
you
know
as
we
move
forward.
AF
We
could
start
saying
if
this
is
a
bigger
issue,
if
we're
going
to
tap
into
things
that
the
council
does
not
support,
where
do
the
projects
get
cut
and
I?
Think
that's
what
I'm
telling
you
as
the
fire
chief,
that
I
will
do
for
my
side,
but
I
know
that
the
city
Administration
we've
talked
about
living
within
our
means
living
within
our
budget.
AF
So
if
the
bonds
go
forward
and
that's
all
we
get,
then
we
have
to
make
tough
decisions
and
I
will
also
say
that
we
have
about
65
million
dollars
of
under
or
non-funded
projects.
At
this
point,
this
is
the
the
first
level
of
things
that
we're
trying
to
do
to
catch
up
on
almost
30
years
of
not
really
paying
attention
to
our
assets.
The.
G
AF
L
AF
Ed
lit
not
the
PS
lit.
We
actually
spoke
against
trying
to
use
pslip
funds,
because
most
of
those
are
already
committed
to
our
10-year
Capital
plan
to
make
sure
that
the
trucks
are
continuing
to
run.
Some
of
the
softer
costs
that
you
would
not
bond
for
are
taken
care
of
and
again
just
maintaining.
A
lot
of
the
equipment
needs,
as
opposed
to
facility
needs,
which
is
where
this
bond
is
coming
from.
Okay,.
G
AF
Well,
that
that
would
be
to
control
Underwood,
but
I
think
you
know
again.
For
me,
we
have
to
go
through
the
budget
and,
as
we
go
forward,
I
think
from
my
understanding.
Mr
Underwood,
if
you
wouldn't
mind,
is
that
the
Creed
fund
is
like
the
last
line
that
gets
tapped
into
as
we
move
forward.
Looking
at
the
different
funding
sources.
AE
Yeah,
as
I
said,
we
would
have
to
go
through
the
design
phase.
First.
During
that
time
we
will
value
engineer.
We
would
then
go
out
for
bid
at
that
point.
We
have
the
Asheville
construction
costs.
If
we
we
would
then
compare
that
budget
against
the
overall
Revenue
stream
that
we
have
available
and
If
Creed
is
necessary.
We
would
then
come
and
appropriate
that
I
would
say
we're
looking
and
Debs
there.
AE
She
can
talk
about
time
frames,
but
I
would
say
you're
looking
at
at
least
six
months
for
design,
so
I
I
would
I,
don't
know
that
I
know
the
specific
month.
I
would
say
it
would
be
in
the
second
half
of
2023.
G
A
I
actually
want
to
visit
something
in
the
second
round
before
we
go
to
a
third
round.
So
second
rounders
be
ready,
there's
been
a
lot
said
about.
We
all
want
to
be
together.
You
know
we
want
to
have
the
police
and
the
fire
and
the
administration
all
in
one
place,
but
I
want
to
explore
some
questions
that
have
to
do
with
the
officers
themselves.
A
We
did
all
of
us
on
Council
received
an
email
today
from
the
membership
of
the
fop,
and
one
comment
that
kind
of
stood
out
to
me,
which
is
why
I'm
struggling
with
showers
being
the
appropriate
place
for
at
least
police.
It
might
work
for
other
functions
but
I'm
sure
I'm,
not
convinced
that
it's
the
best
place
for
police
says
there's
a
lot
of
privacy
that
we
give
up.
Moving
to
this
location,
not
only
to
the
rest
of
the
people
who
work
in
the
showers
building,
but
to
the
public
as
well.
A
Next
to
the
beeline
allows
much
more
access
to
the
department
from
anyone
who
would
want
to
cause
harm
to
us.
This
also
makes
it
harder
to
meet
with
people
who
do
not
wish
to
be
named
or
identified
as
working
with
us.
These
are
kind
of
some.
You
know
nuts
and
bolts
issues
that
police
deal
with
all
the
time
in
their
headquarters
that
maybe
we're
not
thinking
about
not
being
such
a
good
match
to
be
here
all
in
one
happy
family
as
it
were
so
I
guess.
A
AD
Thank
you
for
the
question.
It's
difficult
to
project
the
future.
I
can't
tell
you
one
way
or
the
other.
There
are
definitely
things
that
happen
at
the
department
that
probably
would
not
be
appropriate
in
other
facilities,
because
the
problems
do
come
to
us.
People
seeking
help
in
terms
of
the
Privacy
aspect,
I'm,
not
sure
I
would
necessarily
term
it
that
if
the
officers
have
those
concerns,
those
are
the
officers
concerns
I.
Don't
have
a
crystal
ball
to
tell
you
that,
absolutely
that's
going
to
happen
or
absolutely
it's
not
going
to
happen.
AA
Yes,
well,
I
just
want
to
comment.
I
haven't
seen
the
email
I
look
forward
to
it.
We
absolutely
look
forward
to
working
with
our
officers
and
through
the
fraternal
or
police
and
happy
to
do
that.
I
do
want
to
just
make
a
point.
It's
something
I
say
every
time.
I
swear
in
a
new
group
of
police
officers,
which
is
the
more
our
police
officers
know
about
our
community.
The
better
and
the
more
our
community
knows
about
our
Police
Department.
AA
The
better
I
do
think
the
future
of
Public
Safety
is
going
to
be,
should
be
and
and
I
believe,
will
be,
a
greater
and
greater
integration
and
openness
of
what
Public,
Safety
work
is
I.
Think
the
the
walls
between
metaphorical
walls
or
distances
between
Public
Safety
work
and
the
community
are
are,
should
and
and
will
become,
more
permeable,
I
think
recognizing
that
all
of
us
are
involved
in
public
safety
and
the
public
safety
is
integral
to
our
city
government
as
a
whole.
It
is
not
a
separate
entity.
AA
I
think
there
have
been
traditions
in
some
ways
like
that,
but
I
think
the
future
is
going
to
continue
to
to
weave
closely
with
all
of
city
government
how
we
work
and
approach
Public
Safety.
Of
course
there
need
to
be
protocols
and
protections
with
some
of
the
services
of
the
police
department,
but
I
think
this
will
actually
Advance
us
in
in
the
good
direction
of
more
Progressive,
more
effective,
more
integrated,
more
community-based
policing.
So,
but
we
look
forward
to
working
on
all
those
questions
and.
AA
A
AA
I
can't
answer
that,
for
you,
I
can
tell
you
that
we've
of
course
been
talking
about
it
for
many
months
and
we've
shared
as
much
information
and
happy
to
talk
with
you
as
much
as
you
want
over
the
next
couple
weeks.
We've
we're
also
happy
to
have
conversations
with
experts.
Who've
been
looking
at
this
for
many
months.
L
AA
M
F
And
just
a
reminder
that
we
have
an
amendment
to
take
care
of
at
some
point
as
well.
I'll
leave
it
I'm
happy
to
make
the
motion
on
the
amendment
if,
if
one
is
needed
but
I'll
leave
it
at
your
discretion
as
to
when
you'd
like
to
hear
that.
A
All
right,
let's
hear
from
councilmember
Piedmont
Smith
first
and
then
we'll
go
to
the
amendment.
I
In
evaluating
CFC
showers
for
our
use
as
a
public
safety
headquarters,
what
what
is
the
time
Horizon?
How
long
do
does
the
administration
think
that
the
that
part
of
the
showers
building
can
be
useful?
Can,
after
the
Investments
are
made
what's
the
lifespan,
because
on
a
September
first
letter
from
Doug
Bruce,
it
says
the
goal
is
a
three
to
five
year:
lifespan,
which
certainly
I
would
not
approve
30
million
dollars
for.
AA
Our
expectation
would
be
the
showers
building
could
serve
as
the
public
safety
headquarters
for
the
foreseeable
future
for
decades.
It
certainly
has
plenty
of
room
for
expansion,
and
we
would
foresee
we
don't
foresee
any
particular
planned
Evolution
from
that
in
my
Outlook
over
decades.
I
suppose-
and
it
has
plenty
of
room
for
expansion
in
a
64
000
square
foot
facility.
So.
AG
A
AG
AG
Know
so
we'll
get
back
to
you,
but
we'll
look
at
that
and
keep
in
mind.
We
were
at
nine
point
two,
two
five
and
after
doing
our
evaluation,
we
got
500
000
off
of
that
price.
So,
okay.
I
I'll
look
for
the
while
I
did
that
I
have
a
another
question
which
hopefully
will
be
quick.
What
is
the
balance
in
the
Creed
fund.
AE
Good
evening,
Jeff
Underwood
City
controller
in
the
downtown
Creed
it's
10.7
million
dollars
and
in
the
Thompson
Creed
it's
6.3
million
dollars.
A
X
F
Z
P
Yes,
so
the
again,
as
mentioned
earlier,
the
amendment
what
it
does
is
removes
all
the
additional
appropriation
language
that
was
originally
embedded
in
the
bond
ordinance.
It
kind
of
removes
that
and
puts
it
into
a
separate
well,
it
will
be
in
a
separate
ordinance
to
to
come
later
to
come
next
week
for
introduction,
because
again,
the
notice
of
public
hearing
was
not
timely,
given
it
really
can't
be
appropriated
at
this
point
because
you
can't
hold
the
you
can't
hold
a
true
public
hearing,
because
you
don't
have
at
least
10
days
notice.
R
I
will
invite
members
of
the
public
if
they'd
like
to
comment
on
this
amendment,
one
to
remove
the
additional
appropriation
language
to.
Let
us
know
that
you'd
like
to
speak
by
using
the
raise
hand
function
in
Zoom
under
your
control
bar
by
clicking
the
reactions,
tab
or
the
more
tab,
or
sending
a
chat
to
the
meeting
host.
A
C
B
E
E
A
I
Sorry
to
harp
on
this,
but
I
did
find
the
the
letter
from
Doug
Bruce
today's
September
1st.
I
It
says
so.
The
evaluation
was
based
on
Life
Safety
mechanical
structural
surveys.
We
performed
these
reviews
were
to
consider
the
lifespan
of
the
existing
facility.
No
destructive
testing
was
performed
based
on
these
reviews.
It
is
our
opinion
that
the
existing
building
is
in
sound
shape
and
should
meet
the
desirable
goal
of
a
three
to
five
year:
lifespan.
I
AG
L
R
Instructions
for
those
on
Zoom-
if
you
like
to
offer
comment
on
this
ordinance,
please
use
the
race
hand
feature
to.
Let
us
know
you'd
like
to
speak.
You
can
find
that
in
your
control
bar
by
clicking
the
reactions,
tab
or
the
more
tab,
you
can
also
send
a
chat
to.
Let
us
know
you'd
like
to
comment,
and
we
will
recognize
you
that
way.
AH
Evening,
Dave
Askins
with
the
b-square
bulletin,
I,
have
three
questions
question
one
one
of
the
reasons
for
the
year-end
appropriation
ordinance
as
I
understand
it
was
the
additional
energy
costs
for
this
building
the
city
hall
building.
AH
So
that
made
me
wonder
if
there's
a
future
energy
cost
per
square
foot
analysis
for
anticipated,
new
construction
versus
a
rehabbing
of
the
current
police
station
versus
the
showers
building,
purchase
and
Rehab,
and
the
reason
I
ask
about
energy
costs-
is
that
generally
we've
been
hearing
about
construction
costs,
but
ongoing
future
costs
seems
like
ought
to
be
analyzed
as
well,
and
energy
is
just
one
of
those
future
costs,
so
you
have
a
historic
brick
building
any
building
is
going
to
have
some
annual
maintenance,
but
the
showers
building
has
some
unique
maintenance
costs.
AH
As
far
as
I
understand
it.
So
tuck
pointing
the
brick
is
a
routine
cost,
I'm,
not
sure
how
often
that
happens,
but
it's
on
a
regular
basis.
So
I
guess
we
could
call
question
number
one
generally.
What
about
energy?
Another
annual
costs
for
the
various
scenarios.
AH
The
second
question:
how
are
we
reconciling
the
current
timeline
for
these
approvals,
with
the
actual
wording
of
the
RDC
statute?
That
says
any
agreement
by
the
RDC
to
purchase
a
property
for
more
than
five
million
dollars
is
subject
to
Prior
approval
by
the
legislative
body
of
the
unit.
So
it's
not
just
approval
prior
approval,
so
it
makes
me
wonder:
shouldn't
the
council
have
already
done
that
if
the
RDC
already
has
an
agreement
in
place,
so
I
would
be
curious
to
know
what
the
council's
own
legal
representation
thinks
about
this.
AH
Specifically,
what
is
the
legal
analysis
of
that
statutory
wording
that
assigns
the
word
prior
some
actual
meaning
and
still
makes
this
current
timeline?
Okay.
So
specifically,
what
is
the
event
that
the
council's
approval
has
to
precede
and
it
surely
can't
be
the
closing
of
the
deal
right,
because,
even
if
you
omit
the
word
prior
in
the
statute,
if
you
were
to
admit
that
word,
the
council's
approval
would
still
have
to
come
before
the
closing.
Otherwise,
the
word
approval
wouldn't
mean
anything.
AH
So
that's
question
number
two
which
I'll
summarize
of
how
is
this
even
legal
and
question
three:
to
follow
up
on
councilmember
Lowell's
question:
how
am
I
doing
on
time?
AH
Not
that
much
longer
I'll
wrap
up
real
quick
to
follow
up
on
councilman
Rowland's
question,
which
I'll
summarize
as
what?
If
the
council
approves
the
bond
issuance
but
doesn't
approve
the
showers
building
purchase
now,
Mary
Hamilton
said
that
the
current
police
station
would
probably
get
rehabbed
and
expanded
and
he
didn't
say
it
out
loud,
but
I
think
it's
logical
to
assume
that
the
three
million
dollars
in
revenue
from
the
sale
of
the
police
station
would
not
be
any
longer
in
the
mix
on
that
scenario.
AH
So
fair
enough
and
the
other
thing
that
I
think
would
be
reasonable
to
assume
would
be
that
a
consequence
under
that
scenario
is
that
there's
no
reason
at
all
to
even
look
at
all
at
Creed
funding
for
any
of
this
on
that
particular
scenario,
so
I'm
just
looking
to
get
confirmation
that
if
the
showers
building
isn't
purchased,
but
the
bonds
are
issued
that
still
no
Creed
money
gets
tapped
for
this
thanks.
A
O
O
What
I
know
is
that
the
police
and
fire
organizations
in
the
city
need
substantial,
Renovations,
okay,
I,
don't
literally
know
that,
but
I
accept
that
and
and
my
inclination,
public
safety
concerns
being
what
they
are
these
days.
If
the
Professionals
in
this
room
want
something
I'm
inclined
to
give
it
to
them.
O
I
also
know
that
Bond
issues,
the
proceeds
from
Bond
issues
are
not
free
money.
They
burden
taxpayers,
it's
a
bigger
problem
for
some
people
than
it
is
for
other
people,
but
I
think
we
ought
to
keep
keep
that
focal
during
this
discussion.
O
So
I
think
there's
actually
a
pretty
fair
possibility
that
this
council
is
going
to
reject
that
option.
I
have
reservations
about
the
showers
building
option.
I
live
on
West,
8th,
Street
I
use
the
intersection
down
by
the
first
Second
Baptist
Church
I
can
tell
you
that
making
a
left
from
8th
Street
onto
North
Rogers
can
be
tricky
and
the
idea
of
adding
the
additional
traffic
of
police
cars,
some
of
which
are
going
to
be
leaving
in
a
hurry.
O
I
find
frightening,
I
I'm,
just
echoing
something
that
council
member
rosenbarger
said
last
week,
I
may
be
a
little
more
scared
than
she
is
about.
This
I
also
know
that
the
police
Union
poses
this
option.
O
O
The
mayor
described
that
as
additional
Public
Safety
Capital
funding,
I
I
it
to
me
it
sounds
like
a
slush
fund
but
I'm
a
cynic.
So
I
guess
my
my
conclusion
would
be.
It's
just
sounds
to
me
like
there's
a
strong
possibility,
you're
trying
to
raise
too
much
money.
AI
AI
Building
a
fence
around
that
parking
area
would
be
a
great
addition.
We
currently
don't
have
a
fenced
in
area
at
the
at
the
current
facility
on
Third
Street.
AI
That
conversation
then
brings
us
to
the
Escape
Routes
that
were
brought
up
onto
the
beeline.
If
you
build
a
fence,
you
have
to
build
a
gate,
so
we
have
to
factor
that
in
as
well
is
it
you
know?
How
do
we
get
a
car
out
if
we
do
fence
that
area
in
our
understanding
of?
If
we
use
the
basement
of
the
garage
for
secure
parking,
how
do
we
secure
that?
Is
it
secure
from
someone
walking
in
on
foot?
Is
it
secure
from
someone
driving
a
vehicle
into
it?
What
does
that
actually
mean?
AI
AI
The
other
number
thing
that
we
were
looking
at,
which
thank
you,
councilmember
Piedmont
Smith,
for
sharing
this
amendment,
our
addendum
with
us
this
afternoon.
Looking
at
the
two
comparisons
and
I,
don't
remember
which
page
this
is
the
plan
B
section
renovating
at
BPD
seems
to
have
a
two
million
dollar
line
for
a
parking
level.
Our
understanding
of
that
plan
is
that
parking
level
would
be
replacing
the
15
spaces
that
are
on
the
west
side
of
the
current
building.
AI
So
if
we're
only
losing
15
spaces,
we're
replacing
it
with
some
type
of
parking
level
we're
looking
at
like
130
some
thousand
dollars
per
parking
space.
That
seems
really
high.
So
we're
wondering
if
there's
some
type
of
kind
of
inflated
number
in
that
plan
with
the
plan
B.
Is
there
a
way
we
can
look
at
those
numbers
to
where
some
of
those
aren't
that
high?
That
are
in
terms
of
how
we
actually
build
that
building?
AI
If
you're
going
to
build
that
parking,
you're
going
to
lose
those
spaces
there,
obviously
that
would
have
to
be
secure
parking.
You
can't
have
a
public
vehicle
parked
underneath
a
police
station.
We
could
then
move
those
spaces,
maybe
to
Lincoln
Street.
We
currently
have
some
fleet
vehicles
that
Park
on
Lincoln,
but
those
could
be
parked
somewhere
else,
things
to
consider
other
than
that
I
just
want
to
say.
Thank
you
again
for
listening
to
us
and
letting
us
bring
our
concerns
to
you.
Thank
you.
G
I,
don't
know
why
it
is
that
everything
always
comes
down
to
parking,
but
here
we
are
so
I'm
a
little
confused
about
I
mean
when
Mr
post
just
said
about
the
spaces
on
the
west
side
of
the
current
building
15
spaces
and
then
we're
talking
about
an
entire
level
in
the
trade
sister
garage.
But
there's
also
the
lot
that
I'm
presuming
would
be.
You
know,
part
of
the
purchase
of
the
building
is
that
whole
lot
to
the
West.
G
It
seems
like
there's
plenty
of
parking
just
in
that
lot
and
I'm
kind
of
surprised
that
we
would
even
need
to
think
about
the
parking
in
the
garage
I
accept
as
a
place
to
securely
store
certain
vehicles
and
even
then
Chief
Oldham,
you
know
sort
of
questioned
how
Ingress
and
egress
would
work
for
those
cars
and
exactly
from
whom?
Is
it
secure
from
pedestrians
or
Vehicles?
G
So
I
guess
I'm
asking
how
much
parking
does
the
police
department
think
it
needs
and
isn't
there
already
enough
in
the
lot
that
we
don't
need
to
worry
about
any
other
parking
I
mean
there's
got
to
be
60
70
spaces
to
the
west
of
the
building.
I'm
at
a
loss
here.
AC
So
when
we
looked
at
so
the
parking
counts
are
based
on
the
conversations
that
I'm
having
with
both
Chiefs,
both
fire
and
police.
So
that's
where
those
counts
are
coming
from
and
those
counts
are
based
on
what
is
needed
to
support
the
not
who
they
have
hired
right
now,
but
the
positions
that
are
funded
right
so
I
think
that's
been.
A
question
in
the
past
is
what
are
we
designing
this,
for?
AC
We
are
not
designing
it
for
some
future
annexation
right,
that's
what
we're
not
designing
it
for,
but
what
we
are
designing
it
for
is
everybody
that
they
definitely
have
funded
right
now,
so
I
want
to
clarify
that,
so
there
are
there's
about
45
spaces
on
the
shower
surface
parking
right,
and
that
includes
the
Ada
spaces
that
are
part
of
that.
My
assumption
is
that
we
need
some
left
for
guests
or
people
who
are
coming
in
and
out
so
I've
assumed
10
of
those
spaces
to
be
guests
or
visitor
parking.
AC
You
know
that
are
people
coming
to
work
at
the
sheriff's
building,
then,
in
addition
to
that,
there's
I
think
I
mentioned
50
previously
in
the
lower
level,
the
garage
is
actually
55.,
and
so,
when
we
think
about
the
plan
for
30
people
at
at
fire
plus
we
have,
when
we
looked
at
with
the
chief
for
police,
we
looked
at
how
what's
the
maximum
that
he
thinks
he's
going
to
need
on
the
shift
change
as
well
right.
So
it's
not
just
you
come
to
work
and
you're
here
all
day.
AC
So
I'm
not
I'm
comfortable
with
that,
but
we
know
that
we
need
to
increase
the
amount
of
spaces
at
that
site.
Since
we
are
planning
for
this
to
be
on
city
property,
we
need
to
increase
as
many
spaces
as
we
can,
underneath
that
addition
to
maximize
it
and
get
as
many
as
we
now
will.
We
get
to
the
full
100
I
do
not
think
so
at
that
site,
but
we
will
definitely
get
more
than
15..
Okay.
G
D
Yeah
question
I've
got
a
question:
well,
it's
actually
Dave
Askins
question
clarification
about
the
RDC
purchase
agreement
and
and
requiring
Council
prior
approval
before
before
a
real
estate
purchase
over
5
million.
Could
could
we
clarify
the
procedure.
R
The
rdc's
process,
up
until
this
point,
the
purchase
agreement
just
to
clarify,
is
not
what
the
council
is
being
asked
to
approve
tonight.
So
Council
staff
will
be
happy
to
review
that
and
there
will
be
materials
related
to
the
additional
appropriation
ordinance
and
the
approval
of
that
purchase.
Agreement
released
this
this
Friday
in
your
packet,
I'm,
not
sure
I,
entirely
followed
Mr
Askins
parsing
of
the
word
prior.
R
The
statute
calls
for
any
agreement
by
the
Redevelopment
commission
to
make
payments
for
the
property
for
a
property
to
be
purchased
for
a
term
exceeding
three
years
or
to
pay
a
purchase
price
for
the
property
that
exceeds
five
million
dollars
to
receive
prior
approval
of
the
legislative
body.
I
believe
that's
what
the
coming
ordinance
will
will
ask
the
council
to
consider
I've
not
seen
anything
that
would
lead
me
to
believe.
That's
improper
Mr
Allen
might
want
to
comment
on
on
on
the
rdc's
process
and
his
reading
of
that
statute.
Yeah.
AJ
AJ
Have
no
effect
if
Council
doesn't
approve
it
so
there's
it
is
the
prior
approval,
because
the
deal
isn't
done.
Essentially,
it
is
prior
to
closing
it's
prior
to
the
actual
finalization
of
the
sale,
and
so
it
is
prior
approval.
Still.
C
I've
tried
really
hard
to
look
at
the
information
and
listen
to
everybody.
I
focus
on
the
comparisons
and
costs
and
thought
about
that.
You
know
obvious
need
for
an
upgrade
I've,
also
factored
in
the
opinions
from
Rank
and
file.
C
The
following
things
weigh
heavily
upon
my
thought
process:
the
congestion
surrounding
the
showers,
making
it
potentially
dangerous
for
pedestrians,
bicycle
Riders.
The
retrofitting
of
such
a
historic
structure
doesn't
seem
to
lend
itself
very
well
to
a
co-location
the
Farmers
Market,
the
problem
with
parking
for
operational
needs
and
requirements.
It's
does
seem
to
be
a
significant
seems
like
we're
over
buying
our
space
needs
and
I
know,
there's
room
for
expansion,
but
that's
18,
000
square
feet
of
expansion
and
I,
just
not
sure,
being
a
good
Steward
of
people's
money
that
that's
what
we
should
be
buying.
C
The
overall
cost
estimates
for
all
those
those
three
great
options:
they're
they're,
not
that
much
different
I
know
that
I
know
that
there's
some
million
dollar
differences,
but
they're
not
really
that
different.
C
So
in
you
know
in
my
I,
try
to
look
at
it
with
as
a
fiduciary
responsibility.
I've
looked
up
that
word
a
whole
lot,
these
last
few
weeks,
no
matter
what
options
we
choose,
I
I
want
to
vote
for
something
that's
going
to
meet
the
needs
of
the
Departments.
C
G
G
The
question
isn't
whether
to
further
burden
taxpayers,
it's
how
exactly
to
use
the
monies
that
they've
already
entrusted
us
with
so
I,
dismissed
that
concern
I
have
a
problem
with
the
way
other
terms
are
being
used
to
that.
Like
the
word
congestion,
for
example,
like
one
person's
congestion,
is
another
person's
farmers
market
and
beeline
Trail,
but
it's
understandable
why
the
Black
and
Whites
would
be
concerned
about
access
to
major
arteries.
G
So
congestion
is
a
valid
concern
for
them,
but
I
do
think
that
the
and
I
I
agree
that
the
intersection
of
Roger
Street
and
the
beeline
Trail
is
a
tragedy
waiting
to
happen
because,
like
the
it's
one
thing
when
cars
are
on
the
road
negotiating
with
their
cars,
but
here
is
a
suddenly
high-speed
need
on
on
a
street
that,
where
the
the
beeline
crosses-
and
you
know-
that's
not
a
big
concern
of
mine-
but
it
is
a
concern
and
I
also
have
an
issue
with
this
invocation
of
the
word.
G
Campus
I
think
many
people
know
I'm,
not
a
big
fan
of
that
word,
but
really
we're
not
building
a
campus.
We're
built
we're
looking
at
building
a
joint
Public,
Safety
building
headquarters
facility,
call
it
what
you
will,
but
it
wouldn't
be
a
campus
unless
we're
building
multiple
buildings
and
putting
them
in
a
park.
So
you
know
and
I
would
caution
anyone
who
thinks
that
building
a
campus
is
a
good
idea.
I
get
why
people
are
saying
it,
but
let's
just
be
more
simple
about
it.
It's
a
public
safety
headquarters.
G
That's
the
proposal
here
which
I
I,
don't
necessarily
disagree
with.
I
will
say
one
thing:
if
there
is
an
advantage
from
a
non-public
safety
perspective
to
the
showers
Plaza
being
used
as
a
public
safety
headquarters,
it's
that
it
would
almost
immediately
give
more
value
and
meaning
to
the
garage
currently
known
as
the
trade
sister
garage
I
mean.
It
sounds
like
there's
enough
need
for
parking
based
on
what
Ms
kuz
just
said
to
I
mean
it's
being
used
at
10
of
capacity
right
now.
G
So
if
there's
a
need
for
a
hundred
spaces
at
Peak
usage,
we
can
get
that
out
of
the
garage
and
there
will
still
be
plenty
of
room
in
it
for
its
original
purpose,
which
was
to
attract
us
to
attract
the
development
in
the
trades
District,
so
I
mean
frankly,
one
outcome
of
the
city.
G
Purchasing
this
building
would
be
that
I
would
propose
to
rename
it
the
public
safety
garage,
but
my
main
concern
as
it
was
before,
is
that
the
need
for
additional
funds
for
the
collective
proposed
projects
due
to
the
market
as
I
think
Mr
Krone
set
at
the
outset,
isn't
and
shouldn't
be.
The
problem
of
this
council
member
or
especially
the
problem
of
the
Creed
fund.
The
use
of
creed
monies
went
from
three
million
to
five
million
dollars
overnight.
I
do
appreciate
that
it
sort
of
seems
to
be
sort
of
a
stop.
G
Gap
measure
that
it's
not
you,
know
the
it's.
The
the
make
or
break
of
this
project
is
not
contingent
on
those
Monies
I'm
also
encouraged
that
it's
going
to
be
at
least
six
months
before
they
they
need
to
come
ask
for
them
or
they
they
will
come
ask
for
I,
don't
think
they
need
to,
but
we
are
literally
talking
about
half
of
the
downtown
Creed
potentially
being
devoted
to
Public
Safety
headquarters.
G
G
No
one
disagrees
that
it's
not
important
to
take
this
set
of
departments
and
optimize
their
their
Logistics
so
again,
I'm,
ultimately
agnostic
about
this
building
and
I
look
forward
to
the
conversation
over
the
next
two
weeks
about
whether
or
not
it
should
be
this
building
or
someplace
else,
but
I'm
still
absolutely
opposed
to
using
Creed
dollars
and
I'm
very
hopeful
that
the
administration
will
find
a
way
to
not
need
to
use
Creed
dollars
because
those
monies
haven't
been
spent
in
20
years.
They
haven't
even
been
touched.
G
It's
about
time
they
were
used,
but
they
were
used
to
do
everything
else
at
the
downtown
could
use
again
alleys,
burying
power
cables,
repairing
sidewalks,
improving
sidewalks,
adding
lighting
or
even
infrastructure.
That
would
be
der
I.
Dare
I
invoke
the
idea
that
it
could
be
Transit
related
infrastructure,
but
all
those
ideas
I
mean
that's.
My
vision
for
that
10
million
dollars
and
I
am
I
would
be
very
upset
if
we
spend
even
one
dollar
on
this
when
I
think
there
is
more
than
enough
money
in
this
bond
to
fund
the
constructions
necessary.
G
So
with
that
I'm
interested
in
hearing
from
my
colleagues
about
I
meant
I
still
trying
to
get
the
temperature
of
my
colleagues
about
whether
they
think,
similarly,
at
all.
Thank
you.
H
H
Well,
I'm!
Not
even
going
to
go
there
just
yet
when
we
had
to
flood
down
at
the
BPD
headquarters.
Many
of
us
and
I
think
if
not
all
of
us
toured
this
building.
Okay
and
through
the
pipes
on
the
outside
of
the
building
from
the
underground
I
mean
it's
just
spewing
out
water
and
I'm
thinking.
How
much
is
this
going
to
cost
for
us
to
fix
this
and
make
this
building
habitable
and
usable
I'm,
not
even
so
sure
we're?
Still
there
option
b
is
a
joke.
H
Now
we
can
do
it.
I
mean
we
can.
You
know,
do
stuff
that
that,
to
me
is
not
a
very
good
option:
option
A
I'd
like
to
talk
more
about
it,
but
there
are
some
attractiveness
again
to
a
camp
I'm
sorry
facility.
H
That
appeals
to
me
and
I
think
longer
view
I
think
that's
kind
of
where
municipalities
are
going
and
and
rightfully
so,
I
served
on
Board
of
Public
Safety,
seven
eight
years
and
I
know
it's
been
a
while
back.
H
H
But
also
we're
adding
non-bag
staff
we're
going
to
be
dealing
with
some
other
wraparound
services,
at
least
referrals
on
down
the
line.
The
bottom
line
is
we're
going
to
need
space,
we're
just
going
to
need
space.
I
mean
it's
just
that
simple
and
I
don't
want
to
have
this
brought
back
to
us
in
eight
years
and
we
need
more
space.
H
You
know
told
you
that
eight
years
ago
I
mean
I.
Think
that's
pretty
clear,
but
how
to
do
it
properly?
I
think
is
the
way
to
go
about
this.
So
again,
I'm
I'm
going
to
support
this
ordinance
and
and
the
bond
appropriate
or
working
with
the
bonds.
H
This
evening
we
still
have
much
more
conversations
to
have
and
I'll
just
tell
you
and
I:
don't
have
the
exact
numbers,
but
when
you're
talking
237
dollars
a
square
foot
for
Renault
and
I,
don't
even
know
if
I
can
remember,
I
was
more
than
400
bucks
for
a
new
bill
per
square
foot.
I
mean
you
look
at
those.
Those
are
big
differences
and,
in
particular,
with
a
solid
building.
H
So
yeah
there's
some
other
concerns.
I
I
wasn't
liking.
What
I
heard
about
some
of
the
energy
costs
but
I
think
that's
part
of
the
renovation
and
some
of
the
things
that
we're
doing
so?
That's
it
I
won't
fuse
up
to
time.
I'm
sure
all
my
colleagues
have
a
lot
to
say
this
evening
as
well.
H
D
Just
briefly
and
clearly
these
Public
Safety
facilities
are
necessary.
The
financing
is
necessary
to
achieve
them.
The
options,
we're
told,
are
limited,
either
showers
or
the
renovation
of
the
existing
headquarters.
D
I
think
a
greater
exposition
of
the
possibilities
would
have
been
welcome
for
me
to
evaluate
I.
Think
a
comparison
of
options
with
the
two
that
we
will
evaluate
in
December
21st
would
be
very
useful.
I'm
trending
against
the
showers
building,
I
think
that
they're
well
for
a
number
of
reasons,
but
today
I
understand
that
I
was
told
that
their
information
about
the
polling
of
officers
who
will
use
the
facility-
and
so
these
are
people
who
are
going
to
be
spending
their
time
and
operating
there
and
needing
needing
to
use
it.
D
F
I
appreciate
all
the
work
that's
got
into
this
and
the
additional
feedback
from
from
folks
in
the
administration
about
all
their
due
diligence
and
sites
that
have
been
considered
as
well
as
feedback
from
aggregated
by
Officer
post
and
sent
to
us
questions
from
my
colleagues
I'm,
not
in
much
of
a
different
position
than
I
was
last
week,
which
is
that,
like
my
colleagues,
I
I
absolutely
recognize
the
need.
Many
needs
here.
F
Support
financing
them
on
balance,
find
the
conclusions
drawn
by
the
administration
after
extensive
search
to
be
pretty
reasonable
and
and
then
likely
to
support
them.
I
just
wanted
to
note
I
appreciate
the
police,
Union
and
folks
weighing
in
with
comments,
but
but
just
to
clarify
that
the
questions
that
were
asked
were.
Do
you
think
renovating
the
showers
building
would
be
a
good
location
for
the
police
department,
yes
or
no,
and
then
why?
F
And
it's
not
that
that's
useful
to
a
degree.
But
it's
it's
It's
tricky,
because
it's
not
a
constrained
question.
It
doesn't
talk
about
costs.
It
doesn't
talk
about
what
the
other
options
are,
so
you
can
sort
of
put
put
in
in
whatever
you
want.
You
know,
as
as
the
better
alternative,
but
we're
dealing
with
a
whole
lot
of
constraints.
F
You
know
financial
and
otherwise,
so
that's
the
universe
of
things
we're
dealing
with
so
I,
don't
think
it's
I
guess
I
think
it's
a
little
bit
misleading
to
say
none
of
the
rank
and
file
police
officers
support
it.
If
the
basis
is
this
survey
that
asks
that
exact
question
that
I
just
read,
I
think
the
question
we're
answering
that
we're
charged
with
is
is
more
complicated.
F
So
I
just
wanted
to
note
that
that's
not
to
again
I
appreciate
the
feedback
and
I
appreciate
folks
weighing
in
on
it.
It's
just
how
these
things
get
asked
can
be,
can
make
things
look
a
certain
way
or
not
I
think
that's!
That's
really.
All
I
have
I
continue
to
look
for
forward
to
additional
information
additional
discussion
in
the
next
few
weeks.
With
my
colleagues
appreciate
it.
J
J
Many
of
my
colleagues
have
also
said
this
and
Mr
Dorfman
as
well.
I
think
we
all
know
that
it's
true
that
we
need
new
police
and
fire
headquarters.
If,
if
you,
if
you
take
a
stop
at
the
police
headquarters
right
now,
it
very
much
feels
like
a
cave
and
a
pretty
old
spot,
so
I
definitely
understand
the
need
for
these
new
facilities.
J
I
am
basically
on
board
with
the
due
diligence
that
has
been
done
by
the
administration
and
the
consultants
and
just
picking
out
a
few
pieces
that
really
resonated
with
me
as
to
why
I
think
this
is
the
best
option
for
what
we
need
to
do
as
a
city,
just
the
42
properties
were
reviewed,
but
most
were
ruled
out
due
to
size,
location
or
accessibility
problems.
J
I
think
this
option,
the
showers
building,
seems
like
the
most
responsible
use
of
taxpayer
dollars.
I
know
this
is
a
lot
a
lot
of
money
and
a
lot
of
times,
I
think
hey
we're
going
to
build
a
shiny,
new
building
or
renovate
a
new
space,
and
we
have
hundreds
of
people
without
homes,
so
I
definitely
think
about.
J
You
know
if
we're
not
using
the
money
here,
where
could
we
use
it
and
I
think
in
this
case
it's
very
much.
It's
very
much
needed
I,
also
like
the
idea
that
housing,
police
and
fire
right
next
to
a
city
staff
gives
a
lot
of
opportunity
not
only
for
police
and
fire
to
work
together
more,
but
for
City
other
City
departments
to
work
together
more
as
well
and
I
think
this
will
become
increasingly
true
over
time.
J
I
also
really
trust
that
what
Chief
Moore
said
to
be
true
that
he
knows
this
is
taxpayer
dollars
and
he's
going
to
work
his
hardest
to
keep
this
at
or
under
budget,
and
sometimes
we
might
might
have
to
make
hard
decisions
about
what
gets
funded
and
what
does
not.
My
one
of
my
big
concerns,
I
talked
about
last
week
as
well,
and
just
want
to
keep
this
on.
The
radar
is
just
the
safety
of
the
intersections
that
will
will
get
a
different
traffic.
I
I
We
need
a
new
police
station
I
think
it's
rather
constrained
on
the
site
where
it
is,
it
could
be
expanded,
but
I
I
think
that,
fundamentally
it's
not
not
the
best
space
it's
been
crowded
for
decades
and
adding
the
the
little
bit
that
can
be
added
is
not
I.
Think
a
long-term
solution.
I
The
the
showers
building
is
I
think
an
appropriate
space
in
most
regards
it's
also
a
more
pleasant
space
to
work
in
having
been
in
both
buildings,
just
because
of
the
light
and
the
the
layout
in
the
windows.
Of
course,
we'll
see
you
know
if
the
if
the
renovation
goes
through,
the
interior
layout
will
change,
but
I
think
the
the
light
itself
will
make
it
more
pleasant
for
employees
or
would
make
it
more
pleasant.
I
should
say
so.
I
I
think
that
just
the
showers
question
aside,
it's
clear
that
this
money
is
badly
needed.
The
fire
stations
need
to
be
upgraded.
We
need
to
do
fire
headquarters.
I
The
training
facility
is
very
important
for
the
firefighters
and
for
that
reason,
I'm
going
to
vote
in
favor
of
the
bonds
now
I
have
two
reservations
about
showers
and
one
is
the
traffic
and
the
proximity
to
the
beeline
Trail
and
especially
on
Saturdays,
with
the
farmers
market,
there's
just
so
much
pedestrian
activity
that
I
am
concerned
about
Ingress
and
egress,
and
the
safety
of
of
everybody
walking
biking
scootering
in
that
area
and
driving.
I
So
that's
my
one
concern.
The
other
concern
is
use
of
the
Creed
funds.
I
I,
don't
I'm,
not
convinced
this
is
an
appropriate
use
of
the
Creed
funds.
It's
supposed
to
be
for
improving
the
property
values
in
the
Creed
District
through
beautification
through
infrastructure.
I
This
is,
could
be
used,
seen
as
infrastructure
and
I'm
sure
legally.
This
could
pass
muster
depending
you
know
on
the
argument
you
make,
but
I
think
that
that
was
not
really
the
intention
in
the
creating
these
Creed
districts,
so
I.
I
That
gives
me
pause
as
well,
but
those
two
items
are
not
directly
related
to
this
Bond
issuance
I
think
the
bonds
funds
are
required
and
so
I'll
be
voting
yes
tonight.
Thank
you.
E
I
think
I've
been
pretty
clear
all
along
that
I
favor
Investments
like
this
in
public
safety,
it
was
a
major
driver
in
our
discussions
around
the
Ed
lit
and
Public
Safety
is
among
the
most
fundamental
Services.
We
provide
as
a
city,
so
I
think
that's
very
important.
I
think
I
am
convinced.
I
also
like
the
idea
of
a
more
comprehensive
City,
Government
Center.
Let's
try,
let's
test
drive
that
term
and
see
how
we
like
it,
but
a
city
government
center
and
I
like
the
idea
of
having
co-located
services.
E
All
that
said,
I
think
I'm,
pretty
convinced
that
showers
is
not
the
ideal
option
for
Public
Safety
offices,
but
I
think
it
could
be
the
optimal
one.
Okay,
I
think
we,
you
know
one
of
the
terms
I've
heard
and
I've
listened
very
carefully.
Well,
it's
not
ideal.
It's
not
ideal!
Sometimes
we're
not
in
the
business
of
doing
what's
ideal,
we're
in
the
business
of
doing
what's
optimal.
E
What
is
the
best
we
could
do
given
the
constraints
and
the
parameters
in
which
we
need
to
operate
financial
and
otherwise
so
I
look
forward
to
continuing
the
discussion
on
showers
and
seeing
either
what
can
be
done
or
how
it
can
be
made
to
be
more
optimal.
So
I
look
forward
to
that.
No
matter
what
I
appreciate
the
administration's
responses
to
questions.
I
am
reassured
by
the
existence
of
a
plan,
B
and
I.
Think
that's
very
helpful.
So
with
that
I'm
pleased
to
support
this
particular
ordinance
thanks.
Thank
you.
A
So
that's
what
this
bonding
is
for
what
I
resent
and
what
I
really
don't
appreciate
is
having
to
approve
a
bond
without
having
a
more
specific
idea
of
what
is
the
best
path
forward
and
I'm,
not
convinced
that
the
shower's
purchase
is
for
many
reasons
we
have
heard
from
the
fop
I
have
talked
to
many
of
them.
I've
talked
to
a
number
of
people
in
the
community
and
we
often
say
not
about
us
without
us.
A
We
say
that
we
heard
that
this
evening,
as
we
are
talking
about
ADA
compliance
and
the
need
to
consult
with
people
who
are
in
need
of
better
sidewalks
and
better
better
roadways
in
order
for
to
meet
their
accessibility
issues.
I
listened
to
the
fop
when
they
say
201
I,
don't
know
how
many
were
polled.
I,
don't
know
how
many
in
the
membership
were
polled
but
201,
and
they
had
some
fairly
compelling
reasons
to
me
as
to
why
they
did
not.
A
They
would
rather
be
in
the
current
location
and
to
make
amendments
to
that
current
location
than
to
come
here
based
on
their
lived
experiences
as
Patrol
officers
as
police
officers
in
our
community.
So
I
do
listen
to
them
and
I.
You
know
I
think
it
might
be
a
little
bit
unfair
to
just
say:
well,
let's
listen
to
The
Experts
and
let's
not
listen
to
the
people
who
do
this
this
job
day
in
and
day
out.
A
Other
considerations
would
not
be
important
in
my
mind,
and
so
I
am
not
convinced
that
showers
is
the
best
way,
and
so
it's
really
hard
for
me
to
vote
for
this
Bond,
because
in
a
way
we're
just
kind
of
saying:
okay
here,
here's
the
money
but
we'll
trust
in
the
next
two
weeks.
We
can
figure
this
out
and
figure
out
the
absolute
best
use
of
those
dollars.
Now
the
whole
issue
of
bonding
we've
got
do
it
quick,
because
if
we
don't
the
interest
rates
will
go
up
again.
A
That's
that
can
be
a
compelling
argument
for
moving
this
quickly
on
this,
but
on
the
other
hand,
when
you're
looking
at
a
34
million
investment
I
think
it's
more
important
for
us
to
make
sure
we
get
it
right,
and
maybe
this
place
would
be
good
enough,
and
it's
just
not
good
enough
for
me.
So
I
will
not
vote
for
the
bond
this
evening
because
my
preference
would
have
been
to
vote
for
the
bond
at
the
time
we
had
a
clearer
vision
as
to
what
the
best
use
of
those
Ed
let
funds
would
be.
So.
D
D
Aside,
I
was
thinking
about
the
co-location
too,
and
whether
it
was
a
good
idea
or
not,
and
I
wondered,
if
maybe
people
in
the
future
or
somebody
somebody
who
has
experience
in
in
this
kind
of
Alleyway
in
terms
of
would
it
be
helpful
regarding
you
know,
within
a
say
context
of
disaster,
preparedness
to
put
Public
Safety
fire
police,
vital
and
emergencies
in
the
same
location
during
an
earthquake
during
a
tornado
suppose
shower
building
catches
fire.
D
G
That
question
of
councilman
Rollo,
because
I
have
an
answer
for
him,
and
that
is
let's
go
to
Tuscaloosa
and
talk
to
them
about
the
F5
tornado
that
struck
them
in
2011.
I
called
them
years
ago,
because
I
was
interested
in
3-1-1
and
turned
out
that
Tuscaloosa.
The
only
reason
that
they
got
back
up
and
running
48
hours
after
the
largest
possible
tornado
struck
their
city
and
destroyed
their
Police
Department
was
because
they
had
built
a
3-1-1
office
off-site
in
a
separate
location,
and
that
became
their
9-1-1
Center.
G
So
it's
a
good
kind
of
redundancy
that
I
want
to
encourage
everyone
to
think
about.
I
can't
believe
that
the
very
capable
individuals
in
the
administration
of
Public
Safety
won't
be
thinking
about
such
redundancy,
regardless
of
where
we
build
a
new
headquarters.
But
I
do
want
to
encourage
everyone
to
I
mean
I
even
have
notes
from
when
I
talked
to
City
officials
in
Tuscaloosa,
because
I
was
so
interested
in
this
question.
It's
solvable,
but
the
police
headquarters,
which
is
the
former
city
hall,
is
just
not
a
good
building.
G
We've
known
it
for
a
long
time,
it's
kind
of
a
crappy
building.
No
one's
ever
been
happy
there.
No
one
who
worked
there
when
it
was
City.
Hall
was
happy
there
I,
don't
blame
anyone
in
the
police
department
for
not
being
happy
with
that
building,
but
I
also
want
to
point
out
that
lately
I've
been
getting
scads
of
reviews,
scathing
reviews
about
the
new
Modern
Marvel
that
the
IU
Health
Bloomington
Hospital
new
building
was
supposed
to
be
scathing,
reviews
from
patients
and
from
employees
alike.
G
So
there's
not
a
guarantee
that
a
new
building
we
build
is
going
to
be
better,
although
I
trust
the
capable
people
in
this
room
and
in
this
building
you
know,
and
the
people
who
work
for
the
city
to
do
a
better
job
because
I'm
not
a
big
fan
of
IU
Health
these
days,
but
that
the
question
had
to
be
divided
out
for
a
notice
requirement.
I
think
unintentionally
served
us
by
separating
the
question
of
bonding
from
the
question
of
the
facility.
G
So
you
know
I
want
to
encourage
councilmember
Rallo
he's
got
this
narrow
two-week
window
between
now
and
December
21st
to
analyze
the
other
options.
I'm
interested
in
it
too
I
mean
I
would
join
him
in
analyzing
them
just
to
satisfy
my
concerns
because
again,
I'm
still
agnostic
about
the
building
behind
us,
but
so
I
hope
he
does.
I
mean
I'd,
be
interested
if
he
can
identify
to
Echo
councilman
for
scandalury's
term
a
more
optimal
solution.
Maybe
it's
there.
G
Maybe
the
people
who
put
forth
the
report
missed
something
that
we
know
because
of
our
intimate
experience
with
the
details
of
the
city
and
I'm,
not
sure,
quite
exactly
where
some
police
officers
claim
that
this
building
won't
be
enough
space,
because
I
recall
that
the
plan
shows
that
there's
a
good
portion
of
space
I.
Remember
it,
because
it
was
the
space
that
my
company
occupied
as
the
second
ever
tenant
of
that
building
in
1996.
G
That
was
being
left
fallow
for
further
expansion,
so
I
mean
if
what
what
Ms
said
is
true,
that
we
can
that
really
the
interior
is
fungible
that
it's
you
know
it's
not
that
much
problem
with
the
basic
layout,
I
I,
think
that
it
seems
like
there
would.
There
is
enough
space,
but
Council
presims
mentioned
someone's
going
to
say
that
in
eight
years
we're
going
to
need
more
space.
You
know
that
may
be
true.
Let's
just
say
it
will
be
true.
G
It's
a
matter
of
time
before
the
city
eventually
grows
within
the
next
50
years
to
occupy
the
entirety
of
this
old
showers.
Brothers
Factory
I
mean
where
the
fact
that
we're
even
contemplating
taking
over
the
third
of
the
building
that
that
almost
30
years
ago
was
subdivided
never
to
be
reconnected,
shows
how
time
changes
things
so
I
mean
I,
imagine
someday,
probably
not
within
my
lifetime.
G
The
city
will
be
big
enough
and
will
grow
enough
that
it
will
make
sense
to
expand
there
as
well,
but
based
on
my
colleague's
comments
when
I
thank
them
all
for
them
and
because
the
Creed
funds
require
a
separate
appropriation
no
earlier
than
the
second
half
of
2023
I
can't
say
where
I'm
going
to
be
on
December
21st
policy
wise
but
I'll
be
supporting
the
bond
tonight.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
All
thank.
A
D
B
A
B
Ordinance
2236
to
amend
Title
20
of
the
Bloomington
municipal
code
regarding
proposal
to
amend
chapter
20.02,
zoning
districts
and
related
sections
to
establish
an
overlay
District
in
related
development
standards
for
the
Hopewell
neighborhood.
The
synopsis
is
as
follows.
This
petition
contains
a
text
amendment
that
proposes
to
add
the
transform
Redevelopment
overlay
tro
to
the
unified
development
ordinance
in
order
to
address
the
charge
in
resolution.
2217.
D
A
D
The
motion
is
to
that
ordinance:
2237,
be
introduced
and
read
by
the
clerk
by
tunnel
synopsis.
Only.
A
B
Ordinance
2237
to
amend
the
city
of
Bloomington
zoning
maps
by
adding
the
transform
Redevelopment
overlay
to
certain
below
described
property.
The
synopsis
is
as
follows:
ordinance
2237
would
add
a
zoning
overlay,
two
properties
in
the
Hopewell
neighborhood
located
in
and
around
the
former
Indiana
University
Hospital
location.
A
All
right
and
again
that
will
be
referred
to
the
special
session
on
the
14th
next
week.
That
concludes
our
legislation.
For
first
reading,
we
now
move
to
the
additional
public
comment
period.
I
see
that
Chambers
has
pretty
much
cleared
out,
but
there
may
be
a
public
comment
here
in
Chambers.
Why
don't
we
make
the
announcement
for
anybody
at
home.
R
AH
AH
They've
asked
us
with
the
b
square
bulletin
question:
actually
a
bunch
of
questions.
What
time
is
this
building
supposed
to
be
locked
from
the
outside
and
how
does
it
get
locked?
AH
Is
it
on
a
timer
where
it
automatically
gets
locked,
or
does
someone
manually
lock
it
and
has
that
procedure
somehow
changed
in
the
last
little
while
and
the
reason
I
ask
has
happened
twice
now
in
the
last
two
weeks
that
a
member
of
the
public
during
a
public
meeting
was
standing
outside
of
City
Hall,
not
able
to
get
into
city
hall
because
it
was
locked
they
had
to
text
somebody
that
they
knew
was
inside
the
building
to
be
let
in
and
they
were
let
in
which
I
suppose
is
fine,
but
not
in
optimal
situation.
R
Just
an
initial
reminder:
the
council
has
a
scheduled
work
session
next
Monday
the
12th,
not
this
Friday
Monday
the
12th
to
hear
about
the
items,
I
think
the
intent
when
scheduling
this
was
to
hear
about
items
coming
forward
in
the
first
cycle
of
2023.
However,
there
are
several
items
you
you've
not
heard
of
yet
that
will
be
coming
forward
in
the
in
the
last
few
meetings
of
this
year,
so
this
Monday's
work
session
is
likely
going
to
be
an
opportunity
to
hear
about
those
that
will
include
the
excuse.
R
Me
may
include
the
interlocal
agreements
that
you
hear
on
an
annual
basis
regarding
animal
shelter,
operations,
building
code,
Authority
that
the
city
shares
with
the
county
and
a
Justice
assistance
grant
a
resolution.
There
may
be
other
items
ready
for
preview,
but
at
this
time,
though,
that's
what
I
know
of
so
my
normal
question
is
whether
members
can
and
are
interested
in
attending
next
Monday
at
noon.
R
Three
interlocal
agreements,
a
Justice
assistance
grant,
building
code,
Authority
and
animal
shelter
operations,
and
then
there
was
something
else
or
it's
it's
that
three-
that
there
may
be
some
additional
items.
I'll
just
note.
Those
may
be
going
out
in
the
packet
this
Friday,
so
work
session
on
Monday
may
be
beside
the
point,
but
some
additional
items:
a
resolution
responding
to
the
County's
passage
of
a
ordinance,
creating
a
capital
Improvement
board.
Regarding
the
convention
center
expansion.
That
may
be
an
item.
That's
already
been
released
in
the
packet.
R
This
Friday
there's
an
additional
appropriation
ordinance
that
that
was
discussed
tonight.
That
would
appropriate
Bond
revenues
and
also
approve
of
the
purchase
agreement
for
the
showers
building
and,
finally,
a
salary
ordinance
update
that
the
human
excuse
me.
The
HR
department
is
working
on
to
make
updates
in
light
of
the
contract
just
reach
between
the
administration
and
the
afscme
Union.
So
some
of
those
items
may
be
released
on
Friday
and
again
may
not
be
that.
R
Could
be
could
be
a
topic
for
the
work
session,
however,
they'll
already
be
out,
the
packet
would
be
released
so
certainly
happy
to
discuss
any
of
those
and,
and
also
the
three
interlocal
agreements
that
are
scheduled
for
the
last
meeting
of
the
Year.
All.
A
R
The
council
approves
of
an
annual
schedule
for
years
now,
and
this
is
done
to
provide
an
annual
notice
of
the
council's
meetings
to
resolve
any
room
conflicts
that
that
might
arise
throughout
the
course
of
the
year
to
give
some
certainty
to
certain
events
that
happen
throughout
the
course
of
the
year,
the
most
notable
being
the
budget
budget
process,
including
the
budget
hearings
and
the
legislation
coming
to
the
council
this
year.
R
There
are
two
drafts:
two
different
schedules
that
the
council
office
has
helped
members
prepare
draft
a
follows:
the
current
annual
schedule
pretty
closely
and
sticks
to
that
format.
Draft
B
proposes
a
three
regular
session
meeting
per
month
approach
and
that
was
I'll.
Let
the
council
members
who
worked
on
that
speak
to
that
Council
staff
requests
that
the
council
consider
adoption
of
of
one
or
the
other
schedule
before
the
end
of
the
year.
If
the
council
is
not
ready
to
vote
tonight,
that's
fine.
R
You've
got
two
more
opportunities
to
discuss
it,
but
hopefully,
by
the
end
of
the
year,
the
council
can
can
approve
of
some
schedule
and
happy
to
talk
about
details.
There
were
some
changes
suggested
by
council
members
or
other
departments
and
I'm
happy
to
go
through
those
changes
to
each
of
the
drafts.
If
that's
helpful,
but
I'll
just
leave
it
there.
For
now.
F
F
So,
in
sharing
this
with
you
a
little
over
a
week
ago,
Council
attorney
Lucas
noted
the
major
sort
of
differences.
The
basic
backbone
of
the
structure
is
that
it
would
opt
for
typically
three
regular
sessions
in
a
month
and
does
not
schedule
in
advance
any
committee
meetings
or
work
sessions
I'm
a
little
more
agnostic
about
work
sessions.
F
I
think
my
point
with
my
Council
comment
earlier
tonight
about
forming
a
committee
of
diverse
views
of
council
members
to
work
through
these
issues
will
help
set
all
those
types
of
questions
about
how
we'd
like
to
use
work
sessions.
F
If
at
all
committee
meetings-
and
you
know
if
we
continue
with
them,
how
to
add
some
code
changes
or
other
things
that
might
address
some
of
the
substantive
concerns
of
members
who
don't
favor
their
use,
that
sort
of
thing
I
see
the
schedule
b
as
proposed
as
as
an
opportunity
to
try
something
a
little
different
and
pilot,
something
in
a
sense
and
see
how
that
goes.
F
I
I've
kind
of
long
held
the
view
that
all
of
the
benefits
of
Committee
of
the
whole
can
be
replicated
within
the
regular
session,
while
offering
additional
benefits
and
flexibility.
So
I
I
still
hold
that
view
and
be
happy
to
talk
about.
You
know
the
details
of
that
of
members,
see
it
differently,
a
few
other
notes,
and
so
so
I
guess
just
to
explain
you
know.
F
Legislative
process
would
typically
be
still
a
first
reading
that,
barring
something
out
of
the
ordinary
in
which
we
would
you
know,
discuss
and
consider
voting
on
it
that
night
by
unanimous
consent.
Typically,
we
would
probably
refer
something
straight
to
Second
reading,
which,
which
may
well
be
a
week
later
in
many
cases,
and
we
could
have
the
flexibility
to
take
final
action
that
day
or
send
it
to
another
meeting.
F
If,
if
we
feel
like
more
discussion
time
for
amendments,
that
sort
of
thing
is
warranted
other
changes,
there
was
a
minor
change
in
the
packet
addendum
to
remove
the
March
22nd
meeting
in
favor
of
a
March
29th
meeting.
Instead,
at
the
request
of
the
clerk,
who
is
not
sure
anyone
from
her
office
can
be
available
on
the
22nd
of
March
other
notable
changes,
the
first
meeting
of
the
year
would
be
January
11th,
as
opposed
to
January
4th
to
give
a
longer
holiday
break.
F
The
budget
sessions
would
be
over
two
weeks.
I'll
note
that
I
think
some
sort
of
shift
like
that
to
two
weeks
of
budget
hearings,
probably
were
five
nights,
as
is
proposed
here,
is-
is
warranted.
Although
controller
Underwood,
we
have
not
yet
settled
on
a
consensus
view.
He
he
likes
to
keep
the
Labor
Day
week
available
for
paid
time
off
following
a
big
budgetary
push.
So
I
think
exactly
how
what
dates
that
ends
up
being
may
need
to
be
adjusted
from
what's
proposed
on
this
schedule.
F
Should
it
be
adopted,
I
think
those
are
all
the
major
things
to
to
bring
up
or
mention,
but
if
folks
have
questions,
I'd
welcome
them
and
I'd
certainly
welcome
councilmember
Piedmont
Smith
to
weigh
in
if
she
is
additional.
A
I
Yeah
I
I
would
just
add
that
with
schedule
a
there
are
a
total
of
41
meetings
scheduled.
If
you
include
the
committee
of
the
whole
and
will
schedule
B,
there
are
30
meetings
scheduled,
but
all
of
those
meetings
are
meetings
where
final
action
could
be
taken
if
legislation
is
ready
and
the
majority
of
council
would
like
to
proceed.
I
One
thing
that
council,
member
Flaherty
and
council
member
scandaluri
and
I
discussed
yesterday
is
the
concern
that
some
council
members
may
be
worried
that
that
final,
that
some
colleagues
want
to
take
final
action
at
second
reading,
but
they
feel
like
they
need
more
time,
and
we
discussed
that
we
could
amend
the
municipal
code
to
say
that
a
final
vote
can
only
be
taken
at
second
reading
by
unanimous
consent,
so
that,
if
there's
any
colleague
who
needs
more
time,
then
we
would
go
to
the
third
reading,
thus
giving
the
whole
two-week
period
that
we
would
be
the
equivalent
time
wise
of
what
we
have
now
with
Committee
of
the
whole.
F
Actually
one
one
final
note:
I
sort
of
failed
to
mention,
which
is
that
motivation
for
estimates
of
three
in
a
month.
I
think
there
will
be
some
efficiencies
we'll
realize
if
we
try
this
other
schedule
exactly
how
that
plays
out
is
a
little
bit
to
be
determined
but
I.
Think
three
is
a
reasonable
estimate.
F
I
think
it's
it's
realistic
that
we
would
honestly
probably
cancel
some
regular
sessions
from
time
to
time
and
by
the
same
token,
if
we
get
busy
there's
a
sort
of
free
or
blank
Wednesday
in
in
most
months,
sometimes
too,
in
which
you
could
schedule
an
extra
special
session,
if
needed,
so
I
think
we'll
be
able
to
adjust
if
needed,
but
three
seemed
like
a
reasonable
best
gas
of
what
we
needed.
Thanks
all.
B
G
This
is
a
question
for
Mr
Lucas
I,
don't
recall
if
the
top
of
my
head
does
code
require
that
legislation
that
has
been
first
read
on
a
given
week
beat
second
red
at
the
following
regular
session.
R
G
So
then
it
stands
to
reason
that
legislation-
that's
first
read
on,
say
the
seventh
of
a
month
and
then
gets
or
I
mean
let's
say
that
it
goes
to
a
third
reading,
but
I
mean
it
doesn't
it
someone
could
make
a
motion
to
give
it
its
second
reading
two
sessions
from
now,
instead
of
one
is
that
correct.
G
So
now,
there's
for
some
like
I
love,
getting
an
example
of
it
of
a
Jag
Grant,
something
that
we
never
have
a
concern
with
and
it
can
be
disposed
of
in
one
meeting.
We
would
do
that
quickly,
but
something
that's
really
controversial
and
complicated.
We
might
schedule
out
for
a
second
or
even
a
third
reading,
three
or
four
meetings
later
I
mean
it's.
Those
are
all
options
available
to
us.
Is
that
right.
R
G
B
is:
is
there
any
reason
why
we
left
out
a
December
20th
meeting,
because
that
would
give
it
three
regular
sessions
in
December
as
well
I
mean
I
can
see,
leaving
it
as
a
fallow
week
just
in
case
we
don't
need
it,
but
it
seems
like
it
would
be
consistent
with
the
other
months
and
consistent
with
our
practice
to
date
to
have
a
meeting
on
the
20th
and,
as
president
Sandberg
has
noted
on
a
number
of
occasions,
the
end
of
the
year
has
often
been
very
busy.
So
any
objection
to
a
December,
20th
meeting.
F
G
R
A
R
Happy
happy
to
walk
through
this.
This
schedule
follows
the
council's
practice
going
back
for
years
of
holding
first
regular
sessions
on
first
and
third
Wednesdays
and
committee
meetings
on
second
and
fourth
Wednesdays.
That's
what
our
code
calls
for.
So
that's
what
this
schedule
reflects
the.
R
R
If
this
version
is
adopted
to
clarify
their
intent,
the
intent
behind
those
meetings,
the
schedule
does
not
yet
reflect
the
change
to
the
March
22nd
meeting
date
requested
by
the
clerk,
but
but
can,
if
needed
and
finally,
for
both
schedules
and
believe
councilmember
Flaherty
mentioned
this.
The
mayor's
office
suggested
moving
the
first
budget
Advance
meeting
to
a
later
date,
currently
you'll
see
in
the
notes
on
the
back.
I
know.
R
There's
there's
a
lot
of
notes
that
first
budget
Advance
meeting
is
listed
for
April
25th
I,
think
similar
to
this
year,
when
the
administration
suggested
a
later
date
might
be
more
useful
when
they'll
have
more
information
about
their
own
budget
priorities.
The
I
believe
this
year,
the
the
first
budget
Advance
meeting
was
held,
May
31st,
and
so
if
the
council
wanted
to
to
hold
a
budget
Advance
meeting
along
the
same
time
frame,
May
30th
would
be
a
corresponding
date
next
year.
R
This
the
schedule
includes
scheduled
work
sessions,
as
has
been
the
practice
for
years.
These
are
roughly
every
every
other
Friday,
corresponding
with
the
legislative
Cycles
listed
on
the
schedule
so
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
Also,
the
schedule
retains
a
one-week
budget
week
in
August
from
the
28th
until
the
31st
and
I
think
that's
that's
the
the
quick
rundown.
A
J
E
Yes,
thanks
and
thanks
to
Mr
Lucas
for
putting
together
the
initial
draft
thanks
to
colleagues
for
for
thinking
about
some
Alternatives
there
are
enough
moving.
I
would
just
offer
the
comment
that
there
are
enough
differences
in
enough
moving
Parts
between
these
two.
That
I
would
benefit
from
more
time
to
consider
this
and
so
I
I.
Don't
necessarily
feel
the
need
to
make
a
decision
on
this
tonight
so
with
a
little
additional
time
for
conversation.
E
That
would
be
appreciated.
For
me,
councilmember.
A
G
I
am
generally
supportive
of
trying
something
new.
It
was
certainly
caused
me
to
be
in
Chambers
for
every
meeting
next
year
with
Plan
B.
However,
I'm
glad
that
we
have
a
special
session
scheduled
for
the
14th,
if
there's
anybody
who
has
concerns
about
it,
I
mean
I'm
still
thinking
about
it
too,
but
generally
speaking,
I'm
encouraged
by
this
idea.
G
To
say
when
will
second
reading
or
third
reading
be
scheduled
for
a
given
ordinance,
but
it's
the
kind
of
flexibility
that
I've
sort
of
been
I
mean
we've
we've
kind
of
gone
through
hoops
over
the
years
again,
I
think
about
Jack
grants
like
here's,
an
ordinance,
it
needs
to
be
approved,
and
it
just
doesn't
even
need
a
second
reading
like
we
could
do
it
in
one
night.
It's
always
very
simple.
It's
an
ordinance,
so
I
mean
I
think
we
should
be
more
flexible
with
the
way
that
I
mean.
G
We
know
that
we
have
easy
ordinances
and
complicated
ones,
and
the
complicated
ones
I
think
are
better
served
by
this.
In
this
way
and
again,
it
really
encourages
us
to
think
about
multiple
readings
for
complicated
issues.
So
I
want
to
encourage
my
colleagues
to
take
B
seriously
but
I'm
happy
to
take
time
to
think
about
it
too.
Thank
you
all.
D
A
D
I
would
appreciate
more
time
too
I
think
this
is
a
very
intriguing
proposal.
I
appreciate
my
colleagues
for
working
through
all
the
details
on
it.
I
think
one
of
my
major
concerns
was
what
was
voiced
by
council
member
Piedmont
Smith
about
I,
guess
protecting
the
minority
from
from
action
that
could
occur
inadvertently
and
that's
protected
by
the
committee
of
the
whole.
But
if
we
we
were
to
change
code
that
would
alleviate
that.
D
C
The
one
the
one
thing
that
popped
into
my
head
right
when
I
read
it
was
and
I'm
of
course,
going
to
go
along
with
the
will
of
the
council,
like
whenever
we
vote
on
this.
Is
it
something
that
if
the
schedule
has
changed,
would
it
be
good
to
leave
it
until
the
new
whoever's
the
president
next
year,
oh
I'm,
getting
head
waves?
Okay!
Well,
that's
what
popped!
That's
what
popped
into
my
head!
You
know
so
I,
just
I
figured
that
I
should
say
that
out
loud.
V
A
Okay,
anyone
else-
and
you
have
I-
think
it's
fair
to
say
we
want
to
sit
on
this
for
a
while
before
we
vote
on
Council
Members,
since
I.