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A
C
A
For
second
readings
and
resolutions
on
the
agenda
is
resolution
22-20
a
resolution
responding
to
Monroe
County
Board
of
Commissioners
ordinance,
22-46,
and
that
will
be
followed
by
one
last
opportunity
for
public
comment
before
we
discuss
our
Council
schedule
and
then
adjourn
for
the
evening.
So
to
begin
this
evening,
let
us
begin
with
Council
reports.
I
will
start
to
my
right
with
council
member
Smith.
C
D
Great
what
councilmember
Smith
said
wishing
everyone
a
productive
new
year
I
also
wanted
to
promote
a
little
event
here.
This
is
just
published
last
month
this
is
Charlotte
zitla's
new
book.
It's
called
1971
how
we
won
and
it's
a
story
of
the
momentous
city
election
of
1971..
It's
a
very
interesting
read
that
I've
had
the
privilege
to
preview
more
than
once
and
I
just
want
to
say
that
in
this
coming
election
Year,
everyone
will
learn
something
from
what
happened
at
the
same
time
52
years
ago.
D
E
F
G
Yes,
thank
you.
I
wanted
to
remind
everybody
that
my
constituent
meetings
continue
to
be
on
the
second
Saturdays
of
each
month.
So
that
means
this
Saturday
we
will
have
I
will
have
a
constituent
meeting
in
the
winter.
It
will
be
only
via
Zoom,
so
the
link
is
on
the
city
council
page,
if
you
click
on
my
name,
you'll
get
to
my
specific
web
page
or
if
you
just
look
on
the
right
side
of
the
city
council
website,
it
should
be
there
on
the
calendar
for
Saturday
the
14th
at
11
A.M.
H
Thank
you,
Happy
New
Year.
Everyone
I
just
want
to
talk
about
my
constituent
meetings
as
well.
They
are
normally
on
the
second
Tuesday
at
5
30.
this
month.
It
is
the
third
Tuesday,
so
that
is
this
upcoming
Tuesday
5
30
and
we
are
sticking
to
zoom
for
now
it
seems
like
most
people
who
participate
like
that
format,
so
it
can
also
be
found
on
the
council
page
with
that
link
thanks
a
lot.
I
Thank
you
same
theme
here.
I
just
wanted
to
note
that
I
have
a
constituent
meeting
on
Monday
next
week,
the
third
Monday
of
the
month,
as
is
normal
for
me,
those
details
for
the
zoom
link
are
on
bloomington.in.gov
Council
on
the
calendar
page
or
the
sidebar.
I
That
has
events
likewise
I
plan
to
stick
to
zoom,
at
least
for
the
time
being,
though
I'm
open
to
the
the
possibility
of
going
back
to
in
person,
if,
if
folks
prefer
that,
so,
if
anybody
tuning
in
has
a
preference
feel
free
to
reach
out-
and
let
me
know
thanks,
thank.
K
Happy
New
Year
good
evening
everybody
Mary
Catherine
Carmichael
Office
of
the
mayor.
Thank
you
for
this
opportunity
to
reintroduce
myself
as
I
begin
serving
as
your
deputy
mayor
I've
been
participating
in
my
city
government
since
our
city
government,
since
1997
first
as
a
Parks
commissioner
for
10
years,
then
as
the
first
communications
director
of
the
Hamilton
Administration
and
then
thanks
to
your
support,
I
served
as
the
city's
first
director
of
public
engagement
until
January
1st
of
this
year
when
I
took
over
as
deputy
mayor
from
Don
Griffin.
K
Excuse
me,
I've
loved
those
positions
and
I've
had
experiences
and
learned
things
that
only
come
from
public
service.
I
highly
recommend
it.
Of
course
I'm
preaching
to
the
choir
with
you
folks,
but
I
bring
those
experiences
as
well
as
my
time
as
a
radio
host
at
wfiu,
director
of
leadership.
Bloomington
Monroe
County,
owner
of
my
own
small
business
former
board,
president
of
the
bedc
government,
Affairs
director
at
a
local
utility
and
volunteer
time
spent
working
primarily
on
arts
and
children's
issues.
K
I
even
bring
the
experience
of
being
a
parent
to
the
position
of
Deputy,
Mayor
and
I'm
sure
you
can
all
relate
to
that
I'm
terrifically
honored
to
be
and
pleased
to
be
the
city
of
bloomington's.
Second,
female
Deputy,
Mayor
and
I
want
to
shout
out
to
Maria
hasslin,
who
very
graciously
reached
out
to
me.
K
Maria
was
our
first
female
deputy
mayor
I,
want
to
thank
my
friends
and
family
who've
been
so
supportive
as
I
take
on
this
new
challenge
and
my
colleagues,
who
are
being
very
patient
with
me
as
I,
learn
the
ropes
of
my
new
portfolio
and,
of
course,
I
want
to
thank
mayor
Hamilton
for
his
ongoing
trust
in
me,
and
my
abilities
before
I
wrap
up
I
want
to
thank
current
Council
leadership.
Thank
you.
I
know,
you're,
ending
your
current
roles
this
evening
and
it's
been
delightful
to
work
with
you
for
the
last
year.
K
A
L
You,
madam
president,
just
got
a
brief
report
for
you
tonight
I
think
we're
pulling
up
slides
here.
L
Thank
you,
Mr
Lucas.
So,
as
the
council
may
remember,
on
November
16th,
when
I
presented
a
housing
report
to
you,
I
introduced
the
allocation
of
American
Rescue
plan
dollars
through
the
home
investment
partnership
program
through
the
U.S
Housing
and
Urban
Development
Department,
and
so
I
wanted
to
come
back
to
you
tonight
and
let
you
know
where
that
was
I
also
want
to
seek
your
input
as
well
as
the
public,
so
I'm
not
able
to
sort
of
get
all
of
you
together
outside
of
a
public
meeting.
L
L
L
We
have
a
number
of
uses
for
the
funds
Supportive
Services,
which
is
a
huge
range
of
activity
that
we've
been
getting
input
on,
non-profit
operation
and
capacity
building,
rental,
Housing,
Development
acquisition
and
development
of
non-congregate
shelter,
so
that
shelter,
which
is
where
clients
may
be
sleeping
in
separate
rooms
or
using
separate
bathrooms,
as
opposed
to
congregate,
shelter
where
you
may
find
folks
being
in
the
same
room
or
the
same
restroom.
This
does
have
a
covid
tie
because
of
the
rescue
plan.
L
And
then,
with
those
uses,
we've
been
reaching
out
to
folks
there's
a
prescribed
list
of
required
Outreach.
But
we've
been
doing
a
little
more
than
that.
L
Where
we've
done
about
two
dozen
meetings
so
far,
we'll
be
doing
more
this
month
to
get
input
and
solicit
feedback
from
those
stakeholders
in
the
community
that
we
all
know
and
some
we
don't
know
they
include
service
providers,
certainly
heading
home
of
South
Central
Indiana
is
a
group
that
we
are
talking
to
frequently
because
we
want
to
dovetail
efforts
with
with
that
housing
agencies,
as
well
as
Community
groups
and
elected
officials
like
yourselves.
L
So
there
will
be
public
comment
opportunity
in
addition
to
tonight,
there's
a
formal
period
which
will
commence
on
February
6,
we'll
have
a
public
hearing
at
the
Redevelopment
commission
that
meets
that
Monday
evening.
At
five
o'clock
we
will
have
an
official
public
comment
period,
which
will
be
for
a
period
of
15
days,
starting
in
early
March.
L
The
goal
is
around
March
1st
that'll
go
up
for
two
weeks
of
public
comment
and
we'll
put
a
notice
in
the
paper
and
that'll
be
properly
done
that
way,
and
then
we
have
to
have
a
draft
plan
for
the
allocation
to
HUD
by
the
end
of
March.
My
goal
is
the
third
week
of
March
so
that
we're
ahead
of
the
deadline
there.
So
if
someone
listening
tonight
or
watching,
has
some
input
on
this
you're
welcome
to
send
me
an
email
at
hand
at
bloomington.in.gov.
L
E
L
Do
both
so
we
reached
out
to
when
we're
doing
the
Outreach
meetings
we
let
people
know
kind
of
what
the
process
is.
I
sent
an
email
yesterday
to
or
to
all
the
Jack
Hopkins
recipients
and
the
people
who'd
received
Community
Development
block
grant
dollars
and
let
them
know
of
the
process.
L
There
are
prescribed
processes,
as
you
probably
know,
the
notice
in
the
paper
and
that
kind
of
thing
so
we're
trying
to
do
a
little
more
than
that
two-week
public
comment
just
trying
to
get
the
word
out
a
little
more
because
we
often
don't
receive
a
lot
of
public
comment
during
those
official
times
and
that
is
sort
of
the
end
of
the
process.
So
I
want
to
get
ahead
of
that
a
little
bit
and
get
the
word
out
in
a
broader
fashion.
A
Appreciate
the
update
all
right:
now
we
move
to
any
Council
committees.
Anyone
have
any
reports
this
evening
and
I
will
just
briefly
comment
on
the
cdbg
social
services
committee,
for
which
I
am
a
member.
This
year
we
had
the
public
hearings
on
Tuesday
night
to
hear
from
the
13
agencies
who
applied
for
funding
this
year.
This,
of
course,
is
HUD
funding
that
is
granted
for
social
services.
15
of
all
the
cdb
dollars
are
earmarked
for
that
and
with
13
agencies
applying.
A
M
Yes,
if
there
are
any
members
of
the
public
on
Zoom
that
would
like
to
speak,
please
use
the
raise
hand
feature
to
let
us
know
you
can
find
that
in
your
control
bar
under
the
reactions,
tab
or
the
more
Tab,
and
if
you're
not
able
to
locate
that
race
hand
button.
Please
send
a
chat
to
the
meeting
host.
A
All
right,
and
here
in
Chambers,
who
would
like
to
make
a
comment
not
on
our
agenda
this
evening.
I
see
one
hand
all
right,
very
good,
go
ahead
and
take
the
podium,
and
you
will
have
five
minutes.
N
Great
hello,
my
name
is
Greg
Alexander
I,
usually
like
to
start
the
new
year
by
asking
you
guys
to
look
forward
to
the
future
of
funding
the
bare
minimum,
a
sidewalk
Network
this
year,
instead
I
think
I'll.
Look
back
awesome!
Thank
you!
N
So
here's
the
report
from
the
2011
Bloomington
Platinum
bicycle
task
force.
This
task
force
was
co-chaired
by
council
member
Rollo
It
produced
a
list
of
goals
to
be
met
by
2016,
so
that
Bloomington
would
be
recognized
as
a
platinum,
bicycle
friendly
City.
It's
at
the
time,
I
criticized
it
for
being
unambitious.
N
Let's
see
how
it
held
up.
You
know,
six
years
after
its
its
goals
were
supposed
to
be
completed.
Next.
N
N
Only
since
the
2019
Transportation
plan
has
there
been
any
serious
effort
at
making
these
Greenways
into
a
quality
connected
Network
slightly
by
2016.
The
B-Line
was
supposed
to
be
extended
on
at
least
one
end
and
that
still
hasn't
happened.
An
extension
on
the
North
End
is
finally
planned
for
this
summer.
Tentatively,
the
Cascades
Trail
is
also
in
this
report.
It
was
included
because
Parks
had
already
secured
funding
for
it.
N
Since
then,
they've
gone
through
multiple
funding
rounds,
they've
gotten
about
five
million
dollars
for
it
that
money
has
come
and
gone,
it's
been
spent
and
it
doesn't
connect
to
even
a
single
one
of
its
three
destinations.
So
from
a
transportation
perspective,
we
never
met
that
goal
next
slide.
Please
these
school-related
programs
all
require
resources
from
MCCSC.
They
simply
haven't
happened.
Mccsc
has
no
safe
routes
to
school
program.
That's
a
pipe
dream.
It
turns
out-
and
we
haven't
passively,
incidentally,
attained
these
goals.
N
I
I
do
walk
to
school
every
day
only
tiny
minorities
walk
and
bike
to
school
every
day,
it's
mostly
cars
and,
of
course,
bus,
10
years
later.
No
progress
next
slide.
Please
and
the
police
department
was
supposed
to
become
a
positive
resource,
targeted
enforcement,
around
schools
and
high
crash
areas.
You
know
that
would
really
help
hasn't
happened.
In
fact,
Captain
Oldham
himself
harassed
me
for
walking
in
the
street,
with
my
kids,
when
the
sidewalk
was
flooded
on
the
way
to
Fairview
Elementary.
So
you
know
in
your
heads.
N
Imagine
a
high-ranking
cop
trying
to
bully
elementary
kids
into
walking
in
a
raging.
Creek
and
you've
got
about
the
shape
of
bpd's
safety
efforts
for
pedestrians,
educating
officers
about
bike
and
pet
safety
simply
never
happened
next
slide,
please
here's
where
it
comes
all
together.
This
is
the
quote:
achieve
zero,
Annual,
Bike
and
ped
deaths.
N
We
have
the
tools
for
this.
This
was
an
achievable
goal.
Six
years
ago,
just
four
months
ago,
a
scooter
rider
was
killed
riding
legally
in
the
bike
lane
like
he
was
supposed
to
be
the
work
to
make
it
a
reality,
simply
isn't
happening.
You
know
this
wouldn't
seem
so
poignant
to
me,
except
the
other
cities,
even
in
the
United
States
are
seeing
success.
N
The
road
map
is
clear,
have
a
modest
plan,
complete
its
goals
and
then
keep
going
Jersey
City,
which
is
about
three
times
as
big
as
Bloomington
three
times
as
big
as
us,
Zero
fatalities.
Last
year
on
their
city
streets
on
our
city,
streets,
we've
had
three
we've
had
more.
If
you
count
indot
their
successes,
make
our
failure
stand
out
after
more
than
a
decade
since
it
was
called
for
in
the
Platinum
plan.
Our
Greenways
program
is
finally
picking
up
a
little
steam.
N
So
from
my
perspective,
that
is
a
pretty
big
bureaucratic
failing
it
took
a
decade
to
even
get
started
on
a
modest
plan,
and
you
can
see
this
inertia
has
a
result
measured
in
blood.
We
are
not
getting
the
benefits
we
would
be
getting
if
we
had
been
able
to
boldly
Implement
these
plans,
but
that's
not
what
this
body
is
upset
about.
Is
it
City
staff
made
the
mistake
of
trying
to
install
traffic
calming
in
Elm,
Heights,
shame
on
them
and
now
you're
ready
to
bury
the
whole
Greenway
program
in
an
unnecessary
administrative
overhead?
N
After
it's
already
six
years
behind
he's
smiling
at
me,
we've
got
a
serious,
egregious
failure
of
city
government.
Here
our
systematic
inability
to
follow
through
on
bike
and
ped
plans
is
leading
to
preventable
deaths.
Every
year,
deaths
Our
Lives
depend
on
I
just
said.
The
word.
Destiny
still
has
to
wipe
the
smirk
off
his
face.
Our
Lives
depend
on
our
elected
representatives
taking
an
interest
in
this
failure,
but
instead
you're
wasting
the
people's
time
I'm
placating
some
knee-jerk
reactionaries
in
Elm
Heights.
What
the
hell
guys.
A
M
O
Good
evening
my
name
is
Eric
OST
and
I
did
not
come
this
evening,
prepared
to
make
a
comment,
but
I
felt
important
to
offer
a
comment.
There's
a
lot
of
passion
around
transportation
and
transportation,
infrastructure
and
I.
Think
it's
important
to
look
at
it
with
passion,
but
also
objectivity
and
I
must
say
that
the
recurring
pointed
comments
that
are
directed
at
gnome.
Heights
are
unfair
and
somewhat
unrealistic.
O
And.
In
regards
to
this
comment,
I
made
about
objectivity,
I
think
measuring
the
before
and
after
are
very
important.
O
O
The
council
is
one
opportunity
to
do
that.
It
did
that
before
in
terms
of
projects
that
have
been
completed,
we
in
Elm
Heights
successfully
move
through
the
process
and
have
achieved
installation
of
a
stop
sign
at
an
intersection,
which
is
where
stop
signs
are
supposed
to
be
installed
and
do
have
an
impact,
a
positive
impact,
so
I
don't
know
how
much
more
I
want
to
go
into
this
at
this
point,
but
I
I
just
would
say.
Thank
you.
O
A
P
P
One
of
the
things
I've
talked
about
with
basketball
is
how
it's
a
democratizing
kind
of
activity
that
it
brings
ages
together,
not
so
much
Sexes
but
doesn't
exclude
women,
but
between
when
school
gets
out
at
night
and
and
say
bedtime.
A
reasonable
bedtime
for
school
kids
there's
no
place
for
a
poor
kid
to
go
and
get
a
pickup
game.
P
P
P
It's
not
that
we
don't
notice
those
of
us
who
play
down
there
so
anyway,
our
problems
are
systemic,
like
the
rest
of
the
country,
we're
not
providing
something
for
these
boys
to
do
that's
aggressive
and
and
takes
more
and
more
skill
that
they
get
better
and
better
at
and
get
to
interact
with
people
that
are
that
are
older
and
maybe
doing
better
and
are
still
athletes
there's
something
about,
and
this
is
what
Bloomington
is
supposed
to
be
about:
basketball
culture,
I
have
watched
basketball
being
squeezed
out
of
this
town.
P
I
remember
when
the
hyper
building
was
free,
you
didn't
even
need
an
ID
at
that
time
it
was
the
center
for
the
whole
state.
Knights
teams
played
on
number
one
court
at
the
hyper
building.
This
place
is
being
squeezed
basketball,
free
the
only
place
that
people
were
playing
in
the
cold
at
Sunset.
The
last
several
nights
is
the
switchyard
park.
P
You
got
kids
down
there
shooting
balls
until
it
gets
after
Dark,
so
anyway,
we're
keeping
the
rims
up
and
I
thought
you'd
appreciate
that,
but
I
think
of
it
as
an
overall
systemic
problem
that,
if
we
could
provide
for
just
especially
if
these
youth,
these
aggressive
boys,
the
ones
that
are
taken
to
firearms
and
violence,
this
is
the
basketball
game
after
school.
A
F
Thank
you
to
my
colleagues.
Thank
you
for
that
nomination.
I
very
much
appreciate
it.
I
am
grateful
every
day
that
I
get
to
serve
on
this
council
with
the
talented
people
that
I
do
as
I
look
ahead
to
this
year
as
I
think
back
on
some
of
our
very
meaningful
discussions
at
the
end
of
last
year,
I
think
there's
a
lot
to
look
forward
to
I.
F
Think
the
the
committee
on
Council
processes
has
a
great
deal
of
promise
and
has
some
some
very
exciting
things
to
look
forward
to
I
think
we
have
opportunities
for
some
increased
communication
around
scheduling
that
can
allow
us
to
be
even
more
productive
this
year
and
it's
I've
been
grateful
for
the
opportunity
to
talk
with
almost
all
of
you
individually
and
been
grateful
for
the
ideas
that
I've
heard
and
I
look
forward
to
continuing
those
conversations
all
right
very.
D
I
have
a
question:
councilmember
scandaluri.
You
have
expressed
your
interest
in
the
committee
on
Console
processes.
You
say
in
particular
that
you're
interested
in
exploring
how
we
can
increase
or
enhance
public
engagement
in
local
government,
but
we
look
to
the
president
for
leadership.
Are
there
ideas
that
you
are
hoping
to
advance?
D
F
You
for
the
question,
I
think
I
think
it's
an
excellent
one
and
by
way
of
reminder
for,
though
Sorry
by
way
of
reminder,
one
of
the
elements
of
the
committee
proposed
and
discussed
with
council
member
Flaherty's
leadership
last
fall
focused
on
increased
Public,
Communication
communication
interaction
with
the
public.
F
Most
of
us
hold
commit
constituent
meetings
and
are
in
regular
touch
with
our
constituents
even
Beyond.
Those
meetings
I
think
there
is
an
opportunity
to
encourage
council
members
to
report
back
from
those
meetings
more
than
they
do.
F
Those
are
the
ideas
that
occur
to
me
as
a
whole,
but
I
think
all
I
think
that's
everyone's
responsibility
and
I
appreciate
what
you've
said
that
the
president
provides
leadership
for
that.
That's
something
I
would
like
to
see
from
all
of
us
as
council
members
well.
D
If
I
may
follow
up
to
that
end,
does
do
you
have
any
interest
in
setting
limits
on
any
given
condition
during
a
council
meeting
such
as
the
amount
of
time
devoted
to
question
and
answer
for
each
member?
The
total
amount
of
time
devoted
to
question
and
answer
the
amount
of
time
a
total
amount
of
time
given
to
public
comment
per
item.
Are
these
the
kinds
of
process
reforms
that
you
would
at
least
entertain,
if
not
be
supportive
of,
as
president
certainly.
F
And
I
again,
that's
one
more
reason:
I
look
forward
to
the
work
of
the
committee
committee
on
Council
processes
is
our
interim
title.
We
we
refer
to
it
in
different
ways,
but
that's
part
of
the
reason
I'm
looking
forward
to
that
committee,
because
I
think
those
are
going
to
be
among
the
discussions.
J
J
G
I,
don't
really
have
a
statement
prepared.
I
would
be
pleased
to
serve
as
your
vice
president
and
I
would
be.
I
feel
like
I,
have
a
good
working
relationship
with
all
of
you,
but
including
council,
member
scandaluri,
and
so
I
think
that
we
would
be
a
good
team.
Thank
you.
D
I'd
like
to
direct
the
same
set
of
questions
to
councilman
Piedmont
Smith.
Could
she
comment
please
on
specific
ideas
that
she
might
have
or
endorse
to
the
let's
call
it
the
tightening
of
lengthy
Council
meetings
through
time
limits
or
other
process
improvements.
G
Yes,
I
I
am
in
favor
of
time
limits.
I
think
that
this
should
be
discussed
by
the
processes
committee
or
whatever
name
it
ends
up
having
because,
of
course,
there's
a
question
of
of
what
the
time
limit
should
be
for
what
part
of
the
meeting
how
it
gets
enforced.
Things
like
that,
but,
on
its
basis,
I
am
I,
am
in
favor
of
time
limits.
D
B
E
J
A
F
J
Yes,
I'm
in
favor
of
time
limits
for
the
public
and
I
would
be
happy
to
to
serve
as
parliamentarian.
J
A
J
A
A
F
Madam
president,
yes
Emeritus,
president
Madam,
president
Emeritus,
if
you
will,
before
we
recess
and
rearrange
our
seating
I
wanted
to
take
one
opportunity.
My
last
act
as
Council
vice
president
to
recognize
the
work
that
you
have
done
this
past
year
as
I
was
thinking
about
some
of
the
comments
I
might
want
to
offer.
F
I
got
to
thinking
about
what
we
had
accomplished
under
your
leadership
this
past
year
and
we've
done
a
lot
of
Fairly,
routine
work,
salary,
ordinances,
stormwater
rate
adjustments,
title
15
changes
and
right-of-way
vacations
and
and
things
that
that
happen
very
commonly
for
Council.
We
also
worked
on
a
lot
of
much
more
unique
legislation
like
project
agreements
for
Citywide,
Broadband,
General
obligation,
bonds
and
Park
District
bonds.
We
established
historic
districts.
We
established
new
council
districts
in
a
pretty
substantial
process,
all
told
if
my
account
is
correct.
F
We
worked
on
five
appropriation,
ordinances,
30
ordinances,
21
resolutions,
28
regular
and
in
28,
regular
and
special
sessions
over
200
roll
call
votes
that
you
presided
over
I,
didn't
even
count
individual
reports
or
or
individual
comments
from
the
public,
but
you
presided
over
that
as
well.
So
for
all
of
that
hard
work
and
for
all
of
that
leadership
you
not
only
receive
this
gavel,
which
is
very
small,
but
you
receive
our
thanks
and
our
esteem.
So
please
join
me
in
recognizing
Susan,
Sandberg
I.
A
Appreciate
that
very
much
I
have
appreciated
serving
with
you
and
you
as
well
parliamentarian
Rallo
and
all
of
you
on
the
council.
It's
been
a
it's
been
an
interesting
year
and
I
look
forward
to
the
year
ahead
and
the
new
leadership.
So
with
that
we'll
take
a
brief
recess,
but
I
don't
know
if
you
as
council
president
as
I
hand.
The
official
gavel
over
to
you
want
to
talk
about
the
seating
chart
before
we
get
up
and
move
or
if
we
sure.
Q
F
Thank
you
so
we'll
go
into
a
brief
recess
shortly
and
give
folks
a
chance
to
move
around
into
new
seating.
The
three
Center
seats
will
going
left
to
right
from
the
audience
point
of
view
will
be
council,
member
Piedmont
Smith,
as
vice
president
myself
as
president
council
member
Rallo
as
parliamentarian,
and
then
beyond
that
we're
just
going
to
work
alphabetically.
So
from
the
far
end
council,
member
Flaherty,
rosenbarger
Sandberg,
then
the
three
then
council,
member
Sims,
Smith
and
volun.
M
F
First
order
of
business
tonight
is
appointment
to
standing
committees
and
special
Committees
of
the
council.
First
order
would
be
the
establishment
of
a
special
committee
on
Council
processes.
This
goes
back
to
a
proposal
from
council
member
Flaherty
last
November
I
believe
and
has
several
elements
to
it
and
again,
we've
heard
a
little
bit
about
that
tonight,
but
I
look
forward
to
hearing
more
of
that
work
and
seeing
more
of
that
work
in
the
days
to
come.
Appointed
to
that
committee,
the
special
committee
and
Council
processes,
our
council
members,
Flaherty
Piedmont,
Smith
Rallo,.
F
That
moves
us
into
interview
committees,
and
these
will
not
change
this
year.
So
these
these
appointments
will
sound
familiar
interview
committee,
a
will,
be
council
members,
Smith,
Sims
and
Rosenberger
interview
committee
B
will
be
council
members,
Flaherty,
scandaluri
and
volun
interview
committee
C
will
be
council
members,
Piedmont,
Smith,
Rallo
and
Sandberg.
F
Okay,
any
questions
or
do
I
need
to
go
over
any
of
that
again,
all
right.
Moving
next
to
appointments
to
boards
and
commissions
I'd
like
some
additional
time
to
consult
with
council
members
before
those
appointments
are
actually
made.
So
we
will
make
those
appointments
at
our
next
regular
session
on
January
18th.
F
J
F
B
There
we
go
resolution
2220
a
resolution
responding
to
Monroe
County
Board
of
Commissioners
ordinance
2022-46.
The
synopsis
is
as
follows:
resolution
2220
expresses
the
Bloomington
common
Council
support
for
the
formation
of
a
capital
Improvement
board
in
furtherance
of
the
convention
center
Expansion
Project,
your
Council
action
adopted
it
with
a
vote
of
810
and
the
mayoral
veto
came
back
on
December
23
2022.
A
M
Yes,
I'll
give
just
a
brief
explanation
as
to
why
this
is
back
in
front
of
you.
As
clerk
Bolden
noted,
this
ordinance
was
adopted
by
the
Council
on
December
14th.
It
was
then
submitted
to
the
mayor's
office
for
the
mayor's
signature
and
was
returned
without
his
signature
and
with
a
veto
message
that
was
included
in
your
packet
for
tonight's
meeting,
which
is
is
the
reason
why
this
is
back
in
front
of
you
for
additional
consideration
under
state
and
local
code.
M
When
an
item
is
vetoed,
the
council
has
an
opportunity
to
pass
that
item
over
the
mayor's
veto,
with
the
two-thirds
majority
vote,
and
so
if
the
council
wishes
this
resolution
to
stand,
it
should
consider
a
the
motion
to
adopt
which
is
in
front
of
you
now
and
that
will
require
two-thirds
vote
to
to
pass.
I
will
note
just
to
head
off
a
question
the
ordinance
that
the
County
Commissioners
adopted,
that
that
prompted
this
action
included
an
expiration
date
essentially
of
December.
M
Excuse
me,
January
1st
of
2023
that
has
has
come
and
gone,
and
obviously
the
the
mayor
has
indicated.
He
does
not
support
this
resolution,
and
so
there
may
be
those
that
that
feel
this.
This
is
moot,
but
if
the
council
wishes
it's
explanation
or
it's
it's
statement
of
of
the
council's
position
to
stand
tonight's,
an
opportunity
to
to
do
that,
I
will
say
without
a
two-thirds
vote
tonight.
This
resolution
would
be
defeated.
So
that's
the
procedural
explanation,
I
will
say
an
invitation
was
extended
to
the
county
commissioner's
office.
M
I
I
see
we
have
one
commissioner
here
with
us
in
person
and
I
believe
one
on
on
Zoom
and
so
I
don't
know
if
there
are
any
any
additional
comments
that
the
chair
would
like
to
invite
from
for
many
of
those
folks.
A
Yes,
just
just
with
respect
to
the
Council
action
that
was
taken
on
1214,
we
were
given
a
very
tight
deadline
in
order
to
show
our
support
of
what
the
county
was.
Hoping
was
a
path
forward
for
the
extension
of
the
CIB
as
the
mechanism
for
any
expansion
to
the
convention
center
and
with
use
of
the
food
and
beverage
tax
dollars.
A
We
we
are
separate
from
the
the
administration
with
our
desire
to
move
forward
in
certain
ways
with
our
County
colleagues
and
I
feel
it's
important
just
if,
if
nothing
else
to
just
show
our
support
for
a
Cooperative
way
for
this
to
move
forward
and
so
I'm
hoping
that
we
can
with
the
same
numbers,
if
not
unanimous
approval
on
this,
and
then,
of
course,
it
will
be
up
to
the
county
to
decide
where
they
go
from
here,
because
things
may
have
changed
with
their
deadline
of
the
end
of
last
year
to
to
get
the
approval
of
the
city
council
and
with,
hopefully
the
approval
of
the
mayor
as
well.
A
F
R
Good
evening
Julie
Thomas
Monroe
County
Commissioner.
Thank
you
so
much
for
putting
this
on
your
agenda
and
hearing
us
today
and
happy
New
Year
by
the
way
and
yes,
I,
do
agree
that
we
had
a
very
short
time
frame
for
you
in
December
and
I
appreciate
that
you
all
were
willing
to
hear
from
us
and
to
consider
it
then
just
a
comment
and
I,
and
my
colleague
may
also
want
to
comment
from
Zoom.
R
It's
true.
The
resolution
before
you
tonight
is
not
legally
binding
in
the
sense
that
our
deadline
came
and
went.
The
resolution
we
had
put
forward
at
the
end
of
2022
was
brief
and
very
basic,
because
we
just
wanted
to
get
the
temperature
of
the
room
as
they
say,
to
see
where
we
were
before
moving
forward.
That's
why
we
moved
forward
when
we
did
and
asked
for
a
speedy
deadline.
R
I
see
what
you're
doing
today
as
a
litmus
test
and
me
any
amendments
you
choose
to
make
and
whether
or
not
you
have
enough
votes
to
override
the
mayor's
veto
is
important
because
you
are
going
to
be
sending
a
signal
and
there
will
be
additional
subsequent
measures
that
will
have
to
be
passed
in
the
very
near
future
if
the
state
legislature,
Acts,
and
that
must
those
must
be
passed
by
a
veto.
Proof
majority
do
three
of
four
three
of
the
four
government
bodies
support
the
concept
of
a
CIB
or
a
capital,
Improvement
board.
R
That's
really
the
question
again.
We
are
pro
opposed
to
the
501c3
measure
that
the
mayor
has
put
forward.
It
removes
All
County
input
in
the
process.
Please
remember
one
first,
that
the
County
Council
provided
the
food
and
beverage
tax
to
fund
this
project
based
on
the
administration's
promise
of
City
County
cooperation
and
remember,
please
number
two:
the
convention
center
has
been
managed
through
Monroe
County
government
for
decades
very
successfully.
R
I
ask
respectfully.
Please
consider
your
vote.
The
message
you
want
to
send
to
the
state
legislature
as
they
begin
to
debate,
Senate,
Bill
37
regarding
food
and
beverage
taxes.
What
do
you
want
County
government
to
learn
about
your
interests?
And,
lastly,
what
message
do
you
want
to
send
to
the
community?
S
F
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
Okay,
I'd
like
to
we'll
come
to
council
questions
in
a
minute,
but
I
want
to
acknowledge
too
a
statement
received
from
the
mayor
on
December
23
2022,
outlining
his
preference
for
501c3.
Does
the
mayor's
office
of
the
mayor
have
anything
additional?
In
addition
to
that
letter.
K
D
It's
one
that's
come
up
since
this
whole
discussion
has
been
had
I
know
the
County
Council
was
the
entity
to
approve
the
tax.
But
what
would
you
say
is
the
Commissioners-
and
you
may
have
stated
this
in
in
public
in
the
past?
What
would
you
say
is
the
commissioner's
stance
towards
the
existence
of
the
food
and
beverage
tax?
Is
it
something
that
you
support
or
something
that
you
believe
should
be
repealed.
R
Oh,
that's
a
really
good
question.
I
believe
I
can
only
speak
for
myself
and
I
will
say
that
if
we
are
going
to
move
forward
with
the
CIB
in
cooperation
with
city
government
that
we
need
the
food
and
beverage
tax,
so
I
would
support
it
and
I'm
not
sure.
If
that
directly
answers
your
question
or
not,.
A
Thank
you.
This
question
is
perhaps,
for
commissioner
Thomas
or
commissioner
Jones
I
attended
the
legislative
update
luncheon
last
week
that
the
chamber
sponsored
and,
of
course,
questions
were
asked
of
all
of
our
Representatives
that
were
there
and
one
of
the
questions
was
asked
about
the
Jeopardy
factor
of
the
food
and
beverage
tax
being
eliminated
from
the
general
assembly,
which
of
course,
are
going
to
be
in
a
long
session
this
year
and
I
recall,
Matt
Pierce's
answer
was
quite
alarming
that
it
could
very
well
come
back
to
the
committee
and
what
is
your
take
on
that?
A
R
I
certainly
can't
speak
for
the
general
assembly,
but
I
can
say
that
without
the
support
of
the
administrative
situation
and
as
we
discussed
today
in
administer
in
our
administrative
meeting,
even
with
the
support
of
the
city
Administration,
we
will
have
to
do
something
to
demonstrate
to
the
general
assembly
that
we're
serious
about
using
the
food
and
beverage
tax
and,
if
you
think
about
it,
one
of
the
very
first
things
that
would
have
to
happen
is
an
agreement
on
the
CIB
structure.
R
Everything
we
do.
You
will
need
to
have
a
veto
proof
vote
at
this
point
and
I'm
sure
you
all
appreciate
the
gravity
of
that.
So
the
CIB
structure,
a
bond.
How
are
we
going
to
get
a
bond
passed
quickly
that
would
that
is
going
to
fall
into
the
cities,
purview
and
so
there's
a
lot
of
work
that
will
have
to
be
done.
It
would
be
nice
to
know
what
they
intend
to
do
and
where
most
most
folks
are
in
terms
of
that.
But
I
don't
know
that
sorry
to
say.
Q
K
I
be
allowed
to
speak
to
that
question.
Please
I'm!
Sorry,
thank
you.
Hi
Mary,
Catherine,
Carmichael,
Office
of
the
mayor,
so
I
follow
this.
You
might
know
in
my
past
position
and
in
my
current
position,
I
follow
the
general
assembly
very
closely.
We
have
a
firm
that
works
for
us
in
Indianapolis,
helping
us
keep
an
eye
on
issues,
important
issues
for
the
city
of
Bloomington,
this,
of
course
numbers
among
them.
There
are
many
ways
to
demonstrate
progress.
K
Excuse
me!
Sorry,
it's
so
dry
in
here,
so
we
are
in
touch
with
those
legislators
who
are
bringing
this
legislation
forward.
You
might
remember
that
this
was
brought
forward
last
year.
It
did
not
go
through
I
think
that
it's
possible
that
the
risk
of
this
atheist
General
Assembly
the
food
and
beverage
tax
being
done
way
with
for
communities
who
already
have
it
I,
don't
necessarily
agree
with
the
level
of
risk.
That's
been
represented
by
some
other
folks,
based
on
my
communications
with
people
in
Indianapolis.
So
and
again
there
there
are
different
kinds
of
progress.
K
G
Welcome
as
Deputy
Mayor
yeah
thank
you
I.
My
question
is:
does
the
mayor's
Administration
intend
to
move
forward
with
the
501c3?
Yes,.
K
B
G
Sorry
I
thought
that
the
I
thought
that
the
the
Commissioners
would
have
to
sign,
or
perhaps
it's
the
County
Council
would
have
to
sign
up
sign
off
on
expenditures
from
the
food
and
beverage
tax
going
towards
any
kind
of
entity.
So
those.
K
E
Thank
you,
and
this
is
for
Deputy
Mayor
Carmichael
as
well
deputy
mayor
look
here.
Thank
you
so
that
I'm
clear
on
this
5013
does
not
require
or
need
County
input.
That's.
K
K
E
Which
I'm,
not
you,
can't
take
the
county
from
the
convention
center?
So
what
would
we
do
something
else?
I
just
want
to
be
clear,
I
mean
because,
because
what
just
saying
that
explanation
I
get
it,
but
it
don't
make
it
clear
to
me.
So
if,
if
you're
going
to
do
that,
and
the
county
has
no
input,
then
that
tells
me
then
we'll
separate
from
the
county
with
regard
to
the
current
Convention
Center.
Is
that
and
I
don't
want
to
put
you
on
the
spot,
but
I
mean
what
are
we
saying.
K
Right
so
a
501c3
organization,
as
the
administration
is
envisioning,
it
would
not
just
be
a
replacement
or
not
for
a
CIB
there.
There
are
lots
of
things
that
a
501c3
could
do.
That
would
benefit
the
city,
we're
getting
ready
to
talk
more
about
that
this
week,
in
fact,
but
I
would
say
that
a
501c3
has
the
ability
to
manage
other
City
properties.
You
know
staff
spends
a
great
deal
of
time
right
now
on
things.
Hopewell
taking
care
of
you
know,
interfacing
with
the
Waldron
other
Arts
components,
other
properties
that
we
own.
K
So
this
would
be
another
City
influenced
and
sorry
I.
Don't
have
the
right
word
here
organization,
but
not
a
city
run
strictly
speaking,
so
again,
more
information
coming
out
about
this
this
week,
but
as
far
as
separating
from
the
county,
you
know
a
501c3
organization
would
be
separate
from
the
county.
However,
there
are
many
many
touch
points
that
would
include
the
county
by
necessity
and
by
choice
along
the
route
to
a
Convention
Center
expansion.
K
The
state
legislature
has
set
things
up
so
that
the
bulk
of
the
money
from
the
state
flows
through
the
county
and
so
and
the
county
makes
a
lot
of
appointments
to
important
boards
and
commissions
that
influence
the
funding
and
has
to
approve
funding.
In
fact,
so
there
are
again
many
many
opportunities
and
Necessities
for
cross-pollination
if
you
will
on
this
project.
So
even
even
if,
even
if
there
is
a
separation
in
a
501c3
that
doesn't
mean
that
this
is
just
the
city
going
off
by
themselves.
E
K
So
we've
been
keeping
them
updated
on
what's
going
on
here
in
Bloomington
as
far
as
our
discussions
with
the
county,
and
so
they
know
that
this
is
not
a
situation
where
we're
just
amassing
money
for
the
sake
of
amassing
money
right,
we're
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
accomplish
our
goals.
We've
gotten
quite
far.
You
know
before
the
pandemic
as
far
as
talking
about
what
it
should
look
like
where
it
should
be
located,
even
have
some
preliminary
design
work,
that's
already
been
completed,
so
all
of
that
counts
as
progress.
E
Okay
and
what
does
our
lobbyists
say,
should
a
CIB
not
be
adopted
which
what
I'm
gathering
is
a
deal
breaker
with
us
in
the
county?
So
if
that
were
to
happen,
what
does
the
lobbyist
well?
Because.
E
K
A
lobbying
firm
wouldn't
really
advise
us
on
on
something
like
that.
That's
more
of
a
you
know,
internal
Administration
thing.
They
would
say:
okay,
if
you
don't
form
a
CIB,
you
know.
What
are
you
going
to
do
to
accomplish
this,
because
that
would
be
a
question
that
the
legislature
would
have
and
then
we
would
respond
and
say:
please
tell
them
we're
going
to
do
X,
Y
and
Z
to
accomplish
this
goal.
C
I
have
a
question
for
you
that
always
is
in
my
head.
Whenever
we
talk
about
these
this
issue
and
I
think
it's
been
explained
but
beg
my
you
know.
Let
me
let
me
ask
this
again:
why
is
it
so
important
for
this
for
the
city
to
have
the
control
of
that
entity
so.
C
K
I'm
not
sure
how
you
define
control,
we
don't
have
any
interest
in
managing
that
facility.
We
know
that
we
feel
like
the
the
way
it's
set
up
now
is
brilliant
and
working
very
well
for
the
community.
I
think
our
main
interest
is
getting
it
built
quickly,
getting
it
built
well
getting
it
built
to
a
high
standard
and
taking
advantage
of
the
expertise
we
have
in
big
projects
to
get
it
done.
So
we
don't.
We
aren't
trying
to
control
the
process
long
term.
K
C
Is
there
a
sunset
par
a
portion
of
the
501
C3
so
that,
after
some
benchmarks
are,
are
achieved
such
as
it's
built?
It's
ready,
it's
all
shiny
and
new,
we're
going
to
open
the
doors
and
then
the
501
C3
goes
away
in
in
the
Monroe
County
Convention
Center,
then,
is
whole
and
that's
it
is
that
part
of
what's
seems
to
be
going
on
or.
K
F
G
It's
also
for
Miss
Carmichael,
so
you
say
you
have
to
work
with
the
county
to
make
progress
on
the
convention
center
expansion
with
food,
food
and
beverage
tax
money.
So
you
know
the
county
won't
support
a
501c3.
They
support
both
CIB.
So
how
do
you
envision
working
with
the
county?
I'm?
Sorry,
how.
K
K
Well,
I
mean
I
hope
that
we
can
figure
out
a
way
to
make
that
happen.
I
mean
one
of
the
funding
streams,
for
example,
is
the
and
I
sorry
I've
been
thinking
about
this
today,
a
lot
but
the
Innkeeper?
Yes,
thank
you.
Yes,
the
innkeepers
tax,
and
so
they
appoint
the
members
of
that.
Although
some
of
them
are
prescribed
by
their
position
as
an
Innkeeper,
for
example,
the
Biddle
Center
at
the
IU
Memorial
Union
has
a
place
that
you
know
that's
kind
of
a
mandatory
appointment
to
that.
K
So
we
hope
that
they
would
look
at
this
and
say
yeah.
We
want
this
to
happen.
We
know
they
do
want
it
to
happen.
They've
been
very
supportive
along
the
way,
and
it's
our
hope
that
they
would
say
yes
going
forward
we'd
like
part
of
that
money
to
go
to
this
project.
Also,
as
far
as
the
food
and
beverage
tax
money
goes,
that's
also
money
that
is
approved
by
a
board
other
than
the
County
Commissioners
or
the
County
Council.
K
G
C
Okay,
I
have
one
more:
is
there
a
possibility
that
the
City
would
agree
to
binding
arbitration
on
such
a
project?.
K
M
Roy
considers
legislation
that's
been
vetoed
in
the
normal
course
of
business,
so
I
would
I
would
say
yes,
thank
you.
F
M
Yes,
if
any
members
on
members
of
the
public
on
Zoom
would
like
to
comment
on
this
resolution,
please
use
the
race
hand
feature
which
you
can
find
in
your
control
bar
under
the
reactions,
tab
or
the
more
tab.
You
can
also
send
us
a
chat
to.
Let
us
know,
you'd
like
to
speak
and
I,
do
see
a
few
hands
going
up
at
the
moment.
F
T
Evening,
council,
members
and
distinguished
staff,
this
is
Christopher
mg
from
the
greater
Bloomington
Chamber
of
Commerce
today
to
come
before
this
body
to
reform
the
business
community's
strong
commitment
to
the
capital
Improvement
board,
the
CIB
as
the
essential
governance
structure
for
the
expansion
of
the
Monroe
County
Convention
Center
here
is
Eric
spoonmore's,
December
30th
column,
and
it's
your
business
piece
that
was
in
The
Herald
times,
and
if
you
want
further
information
on
where
we
stand,
it
reiterates
many
of
the
same
points
we
did
four
weeks
ago
and
we
saw
then
an
eight
to
one
vote
in
favor
of
the
CIB.
T
Then
even
the
loan
descending
vote
could
not
be
interpreted
as
a
endorsement
of
a
501c3
as
a
government
structure
for
the
convention
center
and
I
want
to
preface
that
it's
not
the
other
assets
of
the
city.
What
I
believe
the
super
majority
saw
in
the
CIB
is
a
proven
and
effective
mechanism
to
manage
The
Complex
public
projects,
that
is
a
Convention
Center.
This
is
a
structure
used
by
Vigo,
Allen
and
Marion
County,
to
name
him
just
a
few.
There
was
never
a
convincing
case
to
move
away
from
that
structure
and
I.
T
Don't
think
I've
heard
that
today
and
I
think
having
the
CIB
as
an
equal
three
member
appointees
I,
don't
see
this
sort
of
struggle
when
you
have
professionals
on
there,
it
takes
away
the
politics
of
the
convention
center.
That
I
think
is
really
vital.
Right
now
we
mentioned
Senate
Bill
37,
that
my
interpretation
is
a
little
bit
different.
T
It
calls
for
what
I
think
is
need
to
be
bonds
issued
by
when
that
legislation
is
enacted.
We
did
hear
from
representative
Matt
Pierce
at
our
legislative
preview.
Thank
you,
those
members
who
attended
that,
and
he
was
pretty
decisive
in
his
statements.
T
I'm
going
to
quote
him
if
we
don't
have
something
going,
I
could
see
them
just
repealing
it
and
saying:
well,
you
didn't
use
it.
You
haven't
used
it
you've
had
it
for
so
many
years.
We're
done
I,
don't
want
to
see
that
it's
it's
later
than
it
seems
and
I.
Thank
you
for
your
time
this
evening.
U
Yes,
first
of
all,
can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
thank
you
great
great
Jeff,
McKim,
Monroe,
County
Council,
first
of
all,
I
just
want
to
thank
all
of
you
for
your
the
diligence
with
which
you're
trading
this
decision
and
the
expansion
of
the
convention
center
generally
I
know
that
there
are
challenges
to
maintaining
goals
that
might
seem
to
Conflict
at
times
so,
for
example,
keeping
Bloomington
a
vibrant
place
for
visitation
and
tourism,
while
at
the
same
time
making
progress
on
critical
policy
goals
like
climate
change,
resilience
and
I
I.
U
Commend
you
all
for
doing
such
a
careful
job
of
reconciling
those
conflicts
on
tonight's
topic.
I
will
continue
to
urge
your
support
on
two
fronts.
First,
that
our
Convention
Center
should
be
expanded
and
operated
as
a
partnership
between
the
set
County
and
the
city.
I
understand
the
partner
partnering
with
the
county
isn't
always
easy.
Partnerships
can
sometimes
be
a
slog,
but
I
think
that
we'll
wind
up
with
a
better
project.
U
In
the
long
run,
when
the
County
Council
passed
the
food
and
beverage
tax,
we
promised
our
constituents
that
this
expansion
would
be
a
partnership
between
the
city
and
the
county,
and
my
support
for
that
tax
was
certainly
predicated
on
that.
Partnership
still
is
I,
do
not
support
the
continued
existence,
food
and
beverage
tax.
In
the
absence
of
a
city,
county
partnership
I
urge
you
to
continue
to
work
with
the
county
to
make
this
exciting
development
happen
and-
and
the
second
front
is
to
make
sure
that
the
expansion
is
owned
and
managed
by
a
public
body.
U
All
of
the
bylaws
in
the
world
won't
turn
a
private
Corporation
into
a
public
body.
All
those
bylaws
won't
give
the
public
any
right
to
transparency
and
these
standing
to
remedy
a
violation
under
the
management
of
a
public
body
like
a
CIB,
every
member
of
the
public
has
a
standing
to
demand
compliance
of
the
open
door
and
public
records
Act
every
member
of
the
public
has
access
to
the
services
of
the
public
access.
Counselor
I
think
the
public
is
right
to
demand
public
ownership
and
public
governance.
You
have
already
stood
up
for
that
principle.
U
Once
and
I
hope
you
stand
up
for
it
again,
so
thank
you
again
for
your
partnership
on
this
project.
I,
look
forward
to
working
both
with
you
and
with
the
city
Administration
and
the
County
Commissioners,
to
bring
this
long
envisioned
expansion
to
fruition
very
pleased
to
see
both
commissioner
Thomas
and
Jones
here
to
continue
to
support
the
CIB
I
know
it
isn't
always
going
to
be
easy,
but
I
think
the
partnership
and
collaboration
will
be
worth
it.
Thank
you
very
much
for
listening.
F
V
Good
evening
Mike
Campbell,
president
of
the
convention
and
visitors,
commission,
we
do
the
allocation
for
the
innkeepers
tax
here
in
Monroe
County
and
have
been
the
body
that
has
operated
the
convention
center
since
its
Inception.
We
have
long
been
a
proponent
of
a
Convention
Center
expansion
and
everything
that
has
been
said
by
the
colleagues
that
are
spoken
before
I
agree
with
fully
once
you're
nowhere
ready
to
move
forward
and
partner
together.
V
There
have
been
some
things
that
have
been
brought
up
with
5013c,
which
we
would
certainly
have
to
work
through
some
details.
We
had
not
talked
about
before
if
we
went
forward
with
that,
so
I
would
urge
you
to
continue
to
to
move
forward
with
a
vote
on
the
capital
Improvement
board.
Thank
you.
Thank.
W
W
The
first
reason
I
want
to
bring
to
your
attention
is
that
the
time
is
now
covid
called
into
question.
Large
Gatherings
and
many
of
of
us
heard
rumors
that
maybe
conventions
wouldn't
come
back,
but
the
data
is
clear.
The
data
from
the
convention
center
shows
robust
growth,
both
in
new
and
returning
groups
using
the
convention
center.
W
Thirdly,
the
time
is
now
because
the
data
from
our
tourism
industry
is
similar.
Similarly
robust
food
and
beverage
Revenue
that
you
see
is
growing
rapidly,
as
is
our
revenues
from
the
innkeepers
tax.
This
shows,
as
well
as
data
from
our
tourism
professionals,
that
hotels
are
regularly
booked.
Restaurants
are
being
full
and
there's
so
much
business
coming
into
our
community.
That
I
think
that
the
time
is
now
to
support
the
CIB.
W
My
second
point
is
that
the
CIP
is
important
to
support,
because
collaboration
is
important
during
one
of
the
last
meetings
of
your
Council,
we
heard
that
we
needed
to
have
more.
We
and
Less
meat
and
I
couldn't
agree.
More
I
think
that
this
is
one
of
the
opportunities
that
we
have
to
show
the
community
that
we
can
work
together,
that
we
will
work
together
and
that
we
can
do
great
things
when
we
work
together.
I.
Thank
you
for
your
time
and
I.
Thank
you
for
your
serious
consideration
of
this
important
issue
to
our
community.
R
Yes,
thank
you,
so
much
I
just
want
to
follow
up
quickly
and
again.
Thank
you
for
your
attention
to
a
lot
of
the
details
and
your
thoughtful
insight
and
questions.
I
do
want
to
note
that
a
501c3
by
its
nature
is
not
transparent.
It
does
not
have
to
have
public
meetings.
It's
it's
accounting
books
are
not
open
to
the
public.
Yes,
you
can
write
that
into
the
bylaws,
but
what
happens
if
it
the
public
transparency
portion
ends?
R
F
X
Do
not
have
a
prepared
comment,
but
I
would
like
to
say
that,
depending
on
what
comes
out
of
the
decision,
making
here,
I'm
looking
forward
to
seeing
more
Partnerships
between
the
city
and
county
government,
I
think
that,
regarding
a
501c3,
I
realized
that
I
just
spoke
after
commissioner
Thomas,
who
is
mentioning
that,
based
on
the
research
that
I've
been
doing
on
501c3s
and
looking
into
that,
and
with
also
the
concern
and
desire
for
public
records
and
transparency.
X
My
hope
is
that,
if
this
information
hasn't
already
been
shared
would
be
to
know
who
the
officers
would
be
of
that
501c3,
it
requires
a
board
who
the
board
members
would
be,
and
also
what
their
affiliations
are
in
the
community
and
their
business
relationships,
because
I
do
think
that
there's
been
a
lot
of
questioning
on
where
the
the
relationships
are,
especially
as
we're
looking
at
kind
of
the
declining
trust
in
government
I'm.
Not
just
speaking.
You
know
here
locally
but
kind
of
nationally.
X
The
more
that
we
can
do
to
provide
information
records
publicly
to
show
those
relationships.
I
think
will
definitely
mean
that
there'd
be
more
willingness
and
support
from
the
public.
Whatever
the
decision
may
be,
thank
you
for
your
time
and
allowing
me
to
comment.
Thank.
Y
Good
evening,
council
members,
Dave
Askins
with
the
b
square
bulletin,
I,
have
a
question
about
the
legal
process
for
the
food
and
beverage
tax
advisory
commission
to
make
its
required
approval
of
the
expenditure
of
funds.
My
understanding
is
that
certainly,
that
group
has
to
give
a
majority
vote
for
the
expenditure
of
funds,
but
the
my
question
is:
how
does
that
issue
get
put
in
front
of
the
Fab
Tech?
Y
My
understanding
is
that
the
it's
the
city
council,
that
has
to
vote
to
put
the
question
in
front
of
the
Fab
Tech
as
opposed
to
the
administration,
and
so
that's
the
question
that
I'm
hoping
we
can
get
some
clarity
on
and
just
as
a
side
note
it's
79
degrees
in
here
tonight.
It's
not
my
fault,
even
though
the
thermostat
is
behind
the
seat,
where
I'm
sitting
I've
tried
to
adjust
it
downward,
it
doesn't
seem
to
have
had
any
effect,
but
it's
really
warm
thanks.
M
M
Yes,
if
there
are
any
final
public
comments,
please
let
us
know
right
now
by
using
the
raise
hand,
feature
or
sending
us
a
chat.
G
Yes,
I
will
follow
up
on
Mr
Askins
questions
and
ask
perhaps
attorney
Lucas
has
the
answer
about
whether
a
request
to
approve
expenditure
funds
directed
to
fabtac
has
to
come
from
the
city
council
or
whether
it
comes
from
the
mayor.
M
Pulling
up
that
statute
now,
the
council
will
recall
I
believe
in
2020
it
passed
a
resolution
requesting
recommendation
from
the
food
and
beverage
tax
advisory
Commission
on
expenditures
of
food
and
beverage,
food
and
beverage
tax
revenues.
I
believe
that
process
is
called
for
under
state
code
6-9-41-16.
M
Which
says
the
county
and
City
legislative
bodies
must
request
the
advisory
commission's
recommendations
concerning
expenditures
of
any
food
and
beverage
tax
funds
collected
under
that
chapter
and
goes
on
to
say
the
city
or
county
legislative
bodies
may
not
adopt
any
ordinance
or
resolution
requiring
the
expenditure
of
food
and
beverage
taxes
collected
with
the
out
without
the
approval
and
writing
of
a
majority
of
the
members
of
The
Advisory
Commission.
J
Well,
this
has
already
been
said
very
well
and
eloquently
but
I'll
add
my
two
cents,
I
believe
as
I
did
when
we
passed
this
resolution
last
late
last
year
that
a
capital
Improvement
board
is
the
the
best
means
for
an
objective
path
forward.
J
J
It's
the
best
means
for
to
ensure
transparency,
providing
the
public
with
legal
standing
and
subject
to
state
laws
and
and
and
public
meetings
and
Records
requests
and
so
forth.
It
also
seems
to
be
the
the
best
means.
Perhaps
the
only
means
for
collaborative
approach
with
the
county
that
failure
of
a
collaborative
approach
is
jeopardizing
this
project
tragedy
and
I'll.
Just
add
that
I
mystified
that,
although
I
understand
the
mayor,
has
a
different
opinion
that
he
would
veto
a
resolution.
That
is
the
express
view
of
this
legislative
body.
J
That
just
seems
nonsensical
to
me,
and
but
it's
I
guess
it's
his
prerogative,
so
I'll
be
supporting
this
again.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
D
Councilmember
Boland
thank
you,
I
think
I'm
finally,
beginning
to
understand
something
that
hasn't
been
clear
and
I
understand
why
it
hasn't
been
clear
and
I.
Don't
know
if
my
insight
will
help
any,
but
it
starts
with
the
excellent
questions
that
comes
with
Sims
just
asked
that
seemed
asked
and
answered,
but
I
think
was
important
to
reiterate
and
it
inspired
me.
D
My
brother
got
a
phone
call
a
couple
of
weeks
ago
being
invited
back
to
Bloomington
in
the
Fernandez
Administration.
He
was
asked
to
head
up
the
first
board
of
directors
of
the
then
new
BCT
management
organization
which
had
just
gone
through.
D
It
was
at
risk
because
of
the
first
implosion
of
the
Bloomington
Area
Arts
Council
in
2001
or
so,
and
you
know,
I
know
that
organization
has
had
some
challenges:
managing
a
a
building
that
the
city
Administration
never
really
knew
what
to
do
with
the
Fernandez
Administration,
the
gazan
administration.
D
You
know
so
the
the
existence
of
that
that
entity
was
important
for
stabilizing
the
operations
of
the
theater
and
under
the
direction
of
Daniel
McClelland.
It
was.
It
was
completely
stabilized
and
very
successful
as
successful
as
it
could
be
and
then
in
2011
the
BAC
imploded
and
we
had
an
even
bigger
problem
in
our
hands
with
the
the
Waldron.
D
This
is
the
kind
of
thing
that
comes
from
Sandberg
and
I
have
talked
about
for
years,
and
we
were
lucky
at
the
time
to
have
an
entity
like
Ivy
Tech
step
in
to
manage
it,
but
through
it
all,
there's
been
no
for
the
past
20
years.
It's
been
no
real
direction
as
to
how
to
deal
with
these
unique
entities
that
they
aren't
just
Arts
entities,
and
so
that's
why
the
first
thing
I
want
to
say
is
I
actually
get
it
and
I
do
absolutely
support.
D
The
creation
of
a
501c3
I
understand
that
it
has
utility
beyond
the
discussion
of
Convention
Center
and
just
for
the
sake
of
clarifying
the
city's
ownership
of
these
unique
entities.
I
mean
just
the
discussion
we've
had
over
the
historic
alcohol
permits
in
the
downtown
area.
That's
the
kind
of
thing
that
a
501c3
should
be
helping
oversee,
so
I
I.
Take
the
point
and
I
think
that
it's
been
buried
in
the
administration's
sales
pitch
for
a
501c3.
D
It
is
easy
to
confuse
them
that
if,
if
the,
if
the
reason
that
they
brought
it
up,
was
for
the
sake
of
managing
a
Convention,
Center
I'm
agnostic
about
that
I,
don't
care,
it's
still
something
whose
time
has
come
so
I
agree
that
we
should
create
a
501c3
and
I.
Don't
think
that's
the
question
and
the
question
is:
are
we
playing
a
game
of
chicken
like
at
some
point?
If
there's
going
to
be
a
Convention
Center,
we
have
to
find
some
way
to
manage
it.
The
501c3
could
theoretically
be
involved
in
the
CIB.
D
A
kind
of
agnostic
at
this
point
all
I
know
is
that
if
the
administration
is
holding
out
for
majority
control
over
a
CIB
I
think
that
it's
that
I
mean
frankly
I
think
both
the
the
mayor
and
the
Commissioners
are
playing
a
game
of
chicken
and
I'm
I
hate
to
say
that
word
I
know:
I
have
a
history
with
it.
Sorry
about
that,
but
I
this.
This
chicken
does
not
appreciate
that
game
and
I
think
that
I
mean
I.
D
Can
only
speak
for
myself,
but
if
it
comes
down
to,
we
have
to
encumber
the
money
or
we're
going
to
lose.
The
tax
I
will
vote
to
rescind
the
tax
and
I
am
somebody
who
supports
absolutely
the
expansion.
D
The
convention
center
have
been
a
strong
supporter
of
it
for
years,
but
advocating
for
it
for
years,
but
I
know
that
my
colleagues
are
not
fond
of
being
forced
to
do
anything,
and
so,
regardless
of
the
animosity,
that's
come
gone
between
the
two
different
jurisdictions
and
there
has
been
plenty
and
it's
to
no
one's
credit,
and
it
pains
me
to
even
be
saying
this
out
loud,
but
I
will
vote
to
rescind
the
tax
if
we
do
not
come
up
with
a
solution,
and
if
my
colleagues
believe
that
I
mean
I've
already
voted
for
this
resolution,
which
is
moot
it
is
moved,
it
doesn't
make
a
difference,
but
it
expresses
our
will.
D
If
my
colleagues
believe,
if
the
majority
of
them
believe
that
a
CIB
is
adequate,
that
I
think
the
administration
should
find
it
adequate
and
I.
Think
that
if-
and
this
is
a
much
more
nebulous
thing
if
a
501c3
needs
to
be
involved
in
the
imagine
of
that
CIB
I
think
that
the
Commissioners
should
find
it
adequate.
As
long
as
the
majority
of
decision
makers
have
a
particular
opinion,
I'm
going
to
go
that
way,
but
I
do
think
the
501c3
should
exist.
D
I,
don't
think
it
should
make
a
difference
in
the
decision
of
how
to
uncover
the
tax
and
so
by
default.
I
have
to
support
a
CIB,
so
I
know
it's
a
bit
nuanced
and
complicated
I
again
want
to
enthusiastically
say
that
the
time
for
a
501c3
has
come.
D
It
should
be
set
up
regardless
of
what
happens
with
the
convention
center,
and
it
should
not
be
used
to
confuse
the
decision.
It
had
it's
not
about
a
501c3,
it's
about
who
is
going
to
be
primarily
in
charge
of
the
convention
center
I
think
we
can.
Instead,
we
can
develop
assurances
that
will
make
I
mean
no
one's
going
to
get
everything
that
they
want,
but
I
think
we
can
come
up
with
a
management
scheme
that
will
let
everyone
walk
away,
feeling
at
least
adequate
about
it.
D
Let
them
both
exist
and
let's
work
it
out,
but
if
I'm
a
deciding
vote,
I'm
not
going
to
be
browbeaten
into
supporting
a
city-only
managed,
Convention,
Center
or
a
city,
a
majority.
Thank
you.
A
First
of
all,
the
we
in
who
rescinds
the
food
and
beverage
tax
is
not
we,
the
city
council,
that's
the
County
Council
and
then
beyond
that
it
would
be
the
general
assembly.
Ultimately
so
I
I
once
again
will
stand
where
I
was
on
December
14th,
which
is
my
Earnest
hope
that
the
city
and
the
county
can
work
collaboratively
on
this.
I
am
growing
very
uncomfortable
with
this
attitude
that
we
are
the
only
ones
who
know
how
to
do
this
in
the
state-of-the-art
correct
way.
A
That
smacks
of
a
little
bit
of
arrogance
to
me,
I
think
working
together
with
our
colleagues
at
the
in
the
County
Council
and
the
County
Commissioners
and
everyone
that's
invested
in
the
convention
center
I
think
we
owe
it
to
this
community
to
work
together,
respectfully
and
so
I
will
vote
for
the
CIB
I'm,
not
as
fond
of
the
501c3
ideas.
Council.
A
Member
Bolin
is
for
other
entities
just
because
I'm
not
sure
all
the
stakeholders
involved
have
been
adequately
informed
about
this
and,
once
again,
I
believe
in
building
things
from
the
ground
up
and
making
sure
that
the
stakeholders
that
are
involved
in
the
Arts
Community,
the
Buskirk
Chumley
the
Waldron.
They
have
an
adequate
opportunity
to
weigh
in
on
how
they
want
to
govern
themselves,
moving
forward
with
the
structures,
the
buildings,
the
venues
that
currently
are
in
the
cities
employed,
but
that's
a
conversation
for
another
day.
A
I
First
is
that
I
didn't
find
the
mayor's
veto
particularly
offensive,
or
anything
like
that
in
fact
seemed
to
be
his
way
to
signal
that
he
didn't
agree
with
forming
a
CIB
which
was
needed
because
the
ordinance
the
Commissioners
passed
late
last
year,
ordinance
2246,
said
that
the
cab
would
take
effect
upon
receipt
of
notification
from
the
mayor
and
the
council
that
we
agreed
to
the
terms
of
their
ordinance.
I
So
if
he'd
signed
our
ordinance,
that
sort
of
maybe
signaling
support
for
what
the
resolution
said,
so
he
almost
needed
to
veto
it
to
signal
that
he
did
not
support
it.
So
I
think
that
was
a
reasonable
choice.
I
guess
that
said,
I'm
gonna
Vote
for
This
resolution
tonight
as
I,
did
in
mid-December
a
reminder
that
this
Council
passed
an
amendment
to
include
an
exhibit
to
that
resolution.
I
So
we
returned
feedback,
our
support
for
the
CIB
to
the
county,
including
feedback
on
what
the
city
would
like
to
see,
including
this
body.
The
city
council
would
like
to
see
to
address
some
of
the
concerns
that
the
administration
had
voiced
in
opposing
a
CIB,
so
in
particular
seeking
greater
balance
between
City
and
County.
I
You
know,
in
the
spirit
of
collaboration
acknowledging
that
some
of
the
other
entities
involved
ski
more
heavily
towards
the
county
representation
and
also
acknowledging
the
fact
that
the
very
high
level
of
investment
conceived
is
is
from
City
portions
of
the
food
and
beverage
tax.
So
just
a
reminder
that
that
exhibit
exists
and
reflects
this
council's
view.
That's
still
part
of
this
resolution.
I
I
I
think
it's
analogous
in
some
ways,
because
it's
one
of
these
areas,
where
there's
a
lot
of
County
responsibility
on
a
particular
aspect
of
that
like
jail,
but
our
Public,
Safety
and
Community
justice
system
very
much
involves
multiple
City
actors.
This
body,
the
the
mayor's
Administration
Bloomington
Fire
Department
police
department,
of
course,
others
not
to
mention
many
social
services
entities
in
our
community,
other
other
residents,
so
I
think
a
more
inclusive
and
collaborative
process
is
needed.
There
too,
I
heard
a
lot
of
talk
from
the
Commissioners
and
County
counselors.
I
Who's
commented
tonight
that
this
is
one
of
the
opportunities
we
have
to
show
the
community.
We
can
work
together,
I
think
Community,
Justice
and
where
we
go
from
here,
is
the
other
and
I
look
forward
to
that
same
spirits
being
brought
to
that
conversation.
I
know
a
few.
My
colleagues
attended
the
most
recent
Community
Justice
response
committee
meeting
on
Monday
and
voiced
similar
views,
so
just
another
note
that
I
would
like
to
to
Echo
those
those
views
and
and
support
greater
collaboration
in
that
space.
Thank
you.
E
Thank
you
very
much
interesting
discussion
tonight.
First
of
all,
I'll
find
talk
of
rescinding
a
text.
Ludicrous
I'll
just
say
that
I
understand
my
commission
and
her
colleague
who
says
she
would
loudly
and
proudly
vote
to
rescind
this
tax.
If
we
couldn't
come
to
like-minded
in
this
convention
center
deal,
County
counselor
Iverson
said
that
he
heard
in
our
one
of
our
Council
meetings.
It
must
have
been
our
last
one.
E
He
says:
when
do
we
get
past
the
the
me
and
and
be
the
we
and
I'll
not
looking
for
credit
or
anything,
but
I
do
think.
I
was
the
one
that
said
that
and
what
I
meant
by
that
was
actually
I.
Also
said.
E
E
You
know
that's
okay,
I
agree
with
council
member
Flaherty,
the
the
mayor's
veto
and
I
didn't
find
it
offensive
or
anything
it's
just
Monroe
or
Bloomington
local
politics.
E
In
fact,
I
expected
it
I
mean
I.
Think
many
of
us
did
so
that's
just
part
of
doing
business,
but
I've
also
heard
about
sending
a
message,
and
that
may
not
be
the
exact
term
or
showing
the
will
of
a
body
and
that's
what
that
was.
That's
what
to
see
or
this
this
body
did
at
the
resolution.
E
The
first
time
we
voted
on
it
I
think
we
made
it
clear
which
way
to
proceed
I'm,
not
so
sure
that
a
501c3
is
not
long-term,
a
better
way
to
manage
things:
I'm
not
sold
on
a
CIB
I'm,
not
totally
against
a
501c3
but
I'm
not
sold
on
the
CIB.
E
One
of
the
solutions
is
the
city,
and
we've
talked
about
that.
The
city
can
do
their
501c3
over
City
owned
entities,
the
BCT,
you
know,
Waldron,
you
know,
there's
a
couple.
Other
things
jukebox,
you
know
some
other
things.
That's
fine
may
work
just
as
good
or
better
well,
just
as
good
with
the
convention
center.
E
E
How
can
we
use
the
funds
that
we
have
been
collecting
since
its
Inception
and
how
can
we
work
together
on
this?
We
all
ask
questions
and
let
me
know
if
I
take
too
long
before
the
committee.
It
cuts
us
off,
but
we've
heard
the
discussion
tonight.
E
The
CIB
and
I
think
many
people
know
this
three
mayoral
or
administrative
appointments,
three
County
appointments
and,
of
course
there
have
to
be
some
based
on
political
parties
within
that.
But
you
got
three
appointments.
Three
appointments,
then
those
six
are
point
a
seventh
and
that
one
is
the
president
for
that
particular
year:
okay,
collaboration
collaboration
collaboration
and
we
get
to
move
on
the
501c3
five
appointments,
four
from
the
mayor
and
one
from
City
Council.
E
So
to
me,
just
because
of
that
the
501c3
is
not
viable
for
the
convention
center.
It
can
be
for
everything
else,
I'm
fine
with
that
as
council
member
of
Olin
said
I'm
fine
with
that,
but
if
we
can't
get
together
and
it
seems
that
the
CIB.
E
E
You
know
and
I'm
trying
to
speak
in
public
and
and
keep
everything
clear
being
on
Council
as
long
as
I
have
it,
but
it's
not
as
long
as
some
of
my
colleagues
and
being
in
a
position
of
leadership
and
I
want
to
respect
all
those
conversations,
that's
kind
of
why
I
was
asking
I
mean
what
what
do
we
see
on
Down
the
Line,
because
we
said
well,
you
know
I
want
to
do
a
b
and
c.
Well
then
this
makes
sense,
but
if
we
won't
say
that,
then
how
can
this
make
sense?
E
And
that's
why
I
wanted
Clarity
there
I
I
can't
see
past
that
and
I've
also
not
heard
any
real
reasons:
a
legal,
factual,
otherwise,
given
against
a
CIB
for
the
convention
center
I'm
talking
about
I,
understand
the
umbrella
that
we
want
to
establish.
I,
get
that
and
I
agree
with
that,
but
we're
talking
about
the
convention
center
and
how
do
we
move
this
forward?
E
How
do
we
prepare
ourselves
if
you
do
believe
that
the
tourism
business
is
more
robust
and
is
making
a
rebound?
How
do
we
prepare
ourselves
for
that
and
I
think
this
is
the
best
way
going
forward.
So
I
do
support
the
resolution.
Sorry
I
took
so
much
time,
but
I
think
it's
worth
the
conversation
and
thank
everyone
else
who
made
comments
this
evening.
G
Yes,
thank
you.
I
would
rather
not
be
talking
about
Convention,
Center
expansion,
I,
think
in
the
in
the
scope
of
what
city
council
can
do
and
the
city
council's
responsibilities
to
our
residents.
This
is
not
high
on
my
list.
I
was
the
only
city
council
member
to
abstain
from
the
vote
way
back
in
2017
that
asked
the
County
Council
to
approve
the
food
and
beverage
tax.
G
I
felt
it
first
of
all,
it
was
their
business
and
not
ours,
and
secondly,
it's
it's
just
not
as
far
as
the
use
of
taxpayer
money.
It's
it's
not
a
priority
of
mine,
especially
this
position
has
been
I've
been
I've
felt
more
strongly
in
this
position
since
2017
because
of
the
dire
nature
of
climate
change
that
I
mean
today
again,
we
we
got
another
report
about
the
warming
of
the
oceans.
It's
you
know,
I
would
rather
be
focusing
on
other
things.
G
I
guess
is
what
I'm
saying,
and
rather
than
investing
in
in
a
local
Economy
based
on
people
getting
here
by
using
fossil
fuels
and
driving
I.
Think
what
we've
learned
through
the
worst
of
the
code
pandemic
is
that
conventions
can
be
held
online
and
I
think
they
should
be
so
just
in
the
in
the
scope
of
things.
This
is
not
my
priority.
I!
G
Don't
really
really
want
to
be
spending
all
this
time
on
it
and
I
and
I'm
sick
and
tired
of
you
know,
spending
all
this
time
when
the
executives
of
County
and
City
can't
can't
make
it
work
can't
play
together
in
the
sandbox.
It's
it's
getting
very
frustrating
so
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna
support
this,
because
I
think
the
CIB
is
the
best
solution,
but
overall
I
just
wanted
to
mention
that
not
everybody
is
real
excited
about
Convention,
Center
expansion
or
feels
like
that's
where
we
ought
to
spend
our
time
and
money.
G
H
H
H
It
is
for
me
more
about
the
question
of,
should
this
community
be
building
an
expanded
convention
center
and
I
think
the
answer
to
that
is
no.
So
just
a
few
numbers
that
I
have
read
recently
there's
a
really
wonderful
book
out.
There
called
Convention
Center
Follies
and
it
just
talks
about
the
data
surrounding
convention
centers.
The
United
States
has
seen
a
dramatic
increase
in
convention
center
space
in
recent
years
from
1989
to
2011.
Obviously,
that's
a
little
farther
away.
H
The
amount
of
square
footage
devoted
to
Convention
space
increase
from
36
million
to
70
million
square
feet,
an
increase
of
94
percent.
The
GAO
calls
the
nation's
supply
of
convention
Convention
Center
Center
space
I'm
recovering
from
covid
right
now,
not
contagious
abundant,
while
other
experts
states
flatly
there
are
too
many
convention
centers.
H
I
think
it
also
just
a
small
note
there
to
what
council
member
Flaherty
brought
up
on
December
14th
that
this
is
not
a
priority
after
our
residents
were
surveyed
of
our
community
and
I
think,
especially
after
the
pandemic,
we
need
to
I
think
put
this
out
to
the
public
again
as
to
what
is
the
the
best
way
to
to
spend
this
money.
So
I
will
be
a
no
vote
tonight
again.
Thank
you.
C
Thank
you.
It's
clear.
Both
sides
are
dug
in
it's
if
we
want
to
get
this
done,
I'm
just
not
yeah
I'm,
not
sure
how
this
is
going
to
get
done
in
the
current
situation,
so
I
think
we
need
professional
help.
Maybe
what
about
a
professional
mediator?
C
Maybe
a
social
worker,
I
I,
don't
know,
but
to
get
this
project
done.
Something
has
to
change
and
let's
figure
out
how
to
do
that.
So
we
can
move
forward.
Otherwise,
I
think
we're
going
to
be
back
here
next
year.
At
the
same
time,
talking
about
the
same
issue
so
I
mean
I
just
would
float
that
idea.
Professional
mediator,
why
not
binding
arbitration?
C
Why
not
it's
done
in
other
impasses
in
government
I,
don't
I,
don't
see
why
we
can't
think
about
that
at
least
or
have
some
discussion
about
it.
C
You
know
the
Specter
of
the
state
legislature
who
knows
what
that
means
if,
if
they're,
if
they
stop
at
this
all
that
means
we
can't
collect
it
any
longer
or
do
we
have
to
give
it
back,
and
if
we
do,
what
do
we
do
with
it,
because
we
already
collected
it
for
this
Express
purpose?
So
it
gets
really
complicated.
All
of
a
sudden,
so
I'm
going
to
support
the
resolution
to
overturn,
or
you
know
counter
man,
the
the
mayor's
veto,
but
I
I
just
think
we're
not
going
anywhere.
C
It's
not
moving
any
direction
and
I
can't
be
privy
to
each
side's
exact
rationale,
but
I
would
just
force
them
to
the
table
in
some
way
with
binding
arbitration
or
a
professional
mediator
and
come
up
with
a
solution
and
move
forward
and
get
it
done.
That
that'd
be
my
thought
anyway.
Thank
you.
F
D
Well,
I
I
wanted
to
make
another
point
about
the
501c3.
The
further
underscore
the
issue
here.
Besides
the
fact
that
we
can
name
specific
buildings
that
have
been
sort
of
ambivalently
managed,
because
even
though
they
were
owned
by
the
city,
it's
like
the
wfhb,
the
Lotus
Festival.
These
are
all
buildings,
in
addition
to
the
Waldron
and
the
Busker
Chumley,
which,
by
the
way,
I
brought
up
because
it's
going
to
be
celebrating
its
100th
anniversary
this
month.
D
So
everyone
should
attend
that
Gala,
but
all
the
more
reason
why
there
should
be
one
entity
that
permanently
holds
the
city's
patrimony
in
trust,
we've
tried
to
to
let
entities
as
August
as
Ivy
Tech
manage
one
of
our
buildings,
but
even
they
were
willing
to
give
it
back
when
they
couldn't
make
the
numbers
work
anymore.
D
So
if
these
buildings
mean
anything
to
the
city,
the
only
logical
step
is
to
create
a
501c3,
but
even
there
and
I
believe
Wisconsin
Sims,
who
brought
it
up
I'm,
not
sure
who
it
was
who
said
it,
but
they
did
point
out
something
that
also
sticks
in
my
crop.
The
administration
is
proposing
a
board
of
four
appointed
by
the
mayor
and
one
appointed
by
the
council
that
doesn't
show
a
lot
of
trust
or
faith
in
the
council
either.
It
should
be
at
least
three
to
two.
D
So
I
think
that
that
indicates
there
that
the
administration's
goal
is
control,
no
matter
what
the
cost
and
if
they
continue
to
pursue
that
first
of
all,
ne51c3
should
be
three
and
two,
not
four
and
one.
That's
the
only
way
I'd
vote
for
it.
Secondly,
if
the
administration
continues
to
persist
in
this
attitude,
the
the
the
the
prize
will
be
lost.
D
So
even
though
I'm
sympathetic
to
their
their
objective,
it's
beyond
us.
Now,
it's
we
either
come.
We
either
do
this
compromise
or
it's
going
to
fail.
So
you
know
that's
the
circumstance
under
which
I
would
support
a
501c3.
Thank
you.
J
Well,
just
briefly
in
response
to
some
of
my
colleagues,
I'm
I'm
still
mystified
by
the
veto
regardless,
but
maybe
I
I
should
be
more
open-minded
because
it
appears
that
what
the
mayor
is
essentially
saying
is
that
he'll
proceed
regardless
with
the
501c3,
and
this
will
be
a
likely
deal
breaker
for
the
county,
since
the
501c3
will
largely
exclude
them
from
the
process.
So
what
I've
heard
this
evening
is
that
the
the
tax
will
likely
be
revoked,
and
that
will
be
the
end
of
this
topic
and
that
will
end
it.
J
But
my
hope
for
the
convention
center
wasn't
simply
a
Convention
Center
was
for
a
Civic
Center.
That
was
how
it
was
described
and
it
was
pitched
and
I
believe
that
it
is
a
good
space
for
Community
programs
and
events
and
actually
a
regional
meeting
space
as
well.
So
it's
not
just
for
I,
don't
I
I,
agree
that
conventions
requiring
long
plane,
travel
and
so
forth
is
counter
to
our
goals
of
climate
change,
but
it
doesn't
mean
that
people
don't
continue
to
meet
in
spaces
for
community
events
and
so
forth.
F
I
B
E
D
F
And
that
passes
eight
one
zero.
Thank
you.
Everyone
with
that.
We'll
move
into
our
second
of
two
periods
of
public
comment.
This
is
for
public
comment
on
items
not
on
not
otherwise
on
the
agenda.
Will
anyone
who
is
in
Chambers,
please
raise
your
hand
or
please
approach
the
podium
Mr
Lucas.
Could
you
make
an
announcement
on
Zoom?
Please.
M
Y
M
Have
one
taker
on
Zoom
at
the
moment,
Dave
burnworth,
who.
Z
Okay,
Dave
burnworth
I,
don't
think
it'll
take
the
full
three
minutes.
I
was
just
interested
in
Steve
boland's
opposing
vote
to
Dave
Rollo
as
a
parliamentarian.