City of Bloomington, Indiana City Council, 12 Aug 2020

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I would like to move that we consider these four amendments as a consent.

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Agenda, I believe we need unanimous consent on that and.

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Then we can go to the public and then we can actually have a vote on the consent agenda which just needs a majority.

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I understand right right, mr lucas, does she have that correct? Yes,.

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Okay, so uh we have a motion. Did we have a second second.

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Second, all right, thank you all right, so we need a unanimous vote.

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uh To allow this to be considered together.

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Will the clerk please call the role on the consent agenda.

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Just to clarify it's, it's the motion to consider the items on the consent agenda.

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As as one item sorry collectively, that's what I meant my apology. Yes with.

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A quick piece called the role of the motion to consider these items as one.

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Agenda one item council, member volun: yes petermont smith; yes,.

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Clarity, yes, smith. Sorry, yes, sandberg.

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Yes, yes, scandaloury. Yes,.

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And sims, yes, okay, so uh that's been approved.

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And now uh we go to the public for comment on amendments one through four.

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Which are being considered together? Is there any member of the public who.

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Would like to speak to amendments one through four to ordinance.

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Please raise your hand and zoom or type into the chat.

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Mr lucas will recognize you first call for comments.

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Second call for comments: please raise your hand or type into the zoom chat.

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Last call we're back to the council for debate on the consent agenda. Are there.

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Any comments on amendments, one through four.

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Seeing none will go to a roll call vote on.

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Amendments one through four collectively will the clerk. Please call the role.

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On the consent agenda, council, member piedmont, smith,.

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Yes, flaherty, yes, smith, yes, sandberg! Yes,.

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Rolo, yes, scandalory, yes, sims! Yes,.

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And bullen, yes,.

B

And so that uh those amendments are adopted, eight zero.

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um I'm going to pass the gavel now to vice president sims.

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So that I may move amendment five.

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I need a second second. Thank you. Okay, this amendment is a.

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Complicated history, but basically um this amendment does two things: it.

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Creates a parking benefit district in garden hill and then it creates.

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A set of permits that can be sold to people who used to not be eligible.

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To buy a permit in a neighborhood zone, let me explain.

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So the ordinance 1811 created.

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The first zone in town that is enforced at night on weekends.

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Zone 6, which is the garden hill neighborhood, and it was quite successful.

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97 permits were sold last year, but there are 237 some.

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uh Spaces in the neighborhood, as according to account from planning and.

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Transportation and uh I had requests from many.

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Constituents who uh said uh the street is empty. Why.

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Can't I park there or why can't my visitor park there.

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um It's a pretty restrictive zone. That's there.

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But the neighborhood was extremely satisfied with.

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The new zone, six restrictions, um and but they acknowledge that uh you.

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Know this this street is not being used all the time we had a lot of uh parking that was uh always available uh to that end. I have.

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Made an effort to try to open up parking to.

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People who do not live in single-family detached.

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Housing uh while trying to be sensitive about.

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Limiting how much how many permits can be sold.

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The amendment that was proposed at transportation committee.

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Proposed uh tiers of pricing, namely uh the first 150, would be sold at.

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The regular rate, but the penultimate 50 will be sold at a.

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Higher rate and the final 50 will be sold at an even higher rate, because we have no sense of what the actual market is.

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For the parking in this zone um after extensive conversation with.

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Michelle wall, who is the parking services director.

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There is a significant technical hang up that would prevent that from being.

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Implemented anytime soon, namely, it has to be programmed into the.

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Backend interface, that's managed by a contractor named t2 and their.

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Scope of work changes take months to implement.

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um But in a prior conversation with the earlier draft of this amendment, which I.

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Presented at the parking commission, uh she did say I mean the original idea.

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Was to charge a different price for people.

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Who living who are? Who live in the zone but are not eligible, um and uh that technically can be done.

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But uh members of the parking commission turned that down because it was.

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Inequitable, why should uh single-family residents whether they're.

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Renters or owners pay 46, but people in multi-family.

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Dwellings, pay a significantly higher price.

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So again it's been amended and the amendment now simply calls for.

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A temporary program from september 15th to february of next year there will be a.

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Hundred additional permits available at a higher price that price being.

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Double the cost of a typical all zone permit in.

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The neighborhood zones or 212 dollars I'll explain the significance of.

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The price in a minute, but any dollar above the first 46.

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Dollars, which is we, the parking commission.

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Determined a few years ago was roughly the cost of maintenance of the neighborhood zone program. As you can see in the 2016.

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Parking commission report would go into a special fund that would.

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Benefit the zone where the permits were sold specifically.

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To improve public works in that zone to repair sidewalks to.

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Build new sidewalks to build lighting to bury power, cables.

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Whatever public works and the neighborhood.

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Saw fit to improve so every dollar above 46 would go into this.

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Fund it would be basically like a tif district only for parking uh the money wouldn't.

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Leave the zone- and this is the only condition.

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Under which the neighborhood association would accept, uh you know such an opening of the program.

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To people who are here heretofore not eligible uh for permits, I also.

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Believe that uh there's a huge demand uh in the zone for.

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Paid street parking and that if we were to open the zone up at 46,.

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It would sell out quickly- and uh you know it would.

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Not teach us anything, nor would it demonstrate the.

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Adequately the market demand, um so the important thing to note about.

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This amendment, as it's been modified, it's been revised.

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Is that it's an experiment, it sunsets at the end of february.

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um The most uh people who have been accustomed to.

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Buying permits in the zone I've been reminded by ms.

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Wall have been able to start buying permits.

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Since july 15th, that's when the next year's permits go.

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On sale, so I expect that, although I don't know.

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If they have a figure tonight, I don't expect there to be more than 97.

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uh Residential permits give or take a few plus approximately 25.

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Visitor permits give or take a few which the households bought last year so.

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About half the capacity of the zone was purchased, so this 100 permits.

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Doesn't max the capacity of the zone it comes close without going over, but it does offer us uh insight into the.

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Sheer demand for parking in this area, the price.

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Has been set, the price that I'm recommending is still lower than the.

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Cost of private parking in the zone- and I have some uh evidence from people.

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Who live or have lived in the zone, to support that for them? Who who cannot.

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Buy parking on the street for any price. I have never been able to.

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As long as this uh program has been, in effect,.

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30 years will at least be able to buy parking.

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And it is less expensive than any private parking that they would be able.

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To buy in zone six so with that, I'm happy to.

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Answer questions about it, uh but before I do that I'd like to invite staff to comment on the updated.

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um The revised amendment, especially if ms wall.

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Is present thanks, mr simms.

E

Okay, I think we're waiting for additions from miss wall or.

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Staff, so do we have anyone? Is miss wall present? Yes, council members.

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Can you hear me? Yes, yes, okay! Thank you yeah um council member volun. We talked.

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At the we've talked about this at great lengths um as the concern rose as he spoke about with the.

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um My vendor and the capacity of the scope of work that would take for the.

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Tiered program it was changed back to the original 212.

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Pricing that was before there's a few other restrictions. The 100 100 permits.

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And the other one is: if they are uneligible, they will not be able to buy.

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A visitor pass they will be able to buy.

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By a visitor, temporary pass that is um within the last ordinance.

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That we're proposing tonight- so um I do believe this- oh this, this.

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Challenges us to see where the market is at the same.

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Time as I've heard from other constituents.

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And as um councilmember volin and I have spoke about, the pricing could be could be a concern for many. So um I.

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I support the concept of this program. um I I do believe it's an important program.

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um But at this point I am unsure about the pricing.

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um But he does have evidence and proof that in.

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Other um complexes, the parking is extremely expensive.

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And um we might sell a few of these permits.

F

Thank you. Thank you. I I'd like to respond.

E

If I could well, I think um we're still looking for other comments.

E

Was you said, someone from staff was that our staff, you were.

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Talking about yeah from from the city staff, administration staff.

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Do we have anyone here or is that from well? That was ms wall just spoke, okay,.

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E

Okay; okay, if that was it I think so, huh um miss parliamentarian. Is it.

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Okay for steve to I'm sorry the petitioner to respond to this now or do.

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We go to well, I just want to make sure steve. I mean it's not funny. I'm trying to do the right thing here.

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Yes, I think so. Okay, thank you. Please respond, mr vogel. Thank you. Just.

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Brief response uh yeah, I wanted to. I appreciate that ms.

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Wahl emphasized that, um uh even though any resident of zone.

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Six would be eligible to buy one of these additions, 100 additional permits that does not allow them to buy an.

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Annual visitor permit, but this ordinance also proposes a new.

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Temporary visitor permit program: you can buy a permit for a day or a week or two.

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Weeks and anyone can buy those permits and.

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They're also premium priced, um but at least but before.

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In the past year there was no way for anyone to buy anything other than an.

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Annual visitor permit so again we don't want the streets to be empty any more than we want them to be over full, and this takes a step to remedy it. Secondly,.

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She said something else that I wanted to, but I've already forgotten it so.

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If the question comes up I'll answer it, thank you for the chance to respond.

E

Thank you. um Do we have any questions from.

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Council members.

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Council member scandal, larry.

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Thank you. I don't know if this is council member governor mclaughlin can.

G

You summarize the visitor, the temporary visitor pass prices.

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You said it was a day a week or two weeks.

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Yes, I could do it. Okay, okay, go ahead. The proposal is one day is 11.

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One week is 55 and two weeks is 110. the program. um What we heard from garden.

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Hill residents at the beginning is all this.

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You know the the streets are vacant. um I can't even have a visitor here. I heard.

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That from multiple um resident networking um individuals.

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And so I asked the staff since I am practically new and I was like what did.

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They do and they said they have to be qualified to get a permit.

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This is a way for them to have visitors on a temporary basis, whether it's mom.

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And dad, whether it's siblings, whether it's friends right now a tenant or resident, can only.

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Get one visitor annual pass.

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Per resident, so let's say you have four people in the house that have.

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Neighborhood residential permits, they can only.

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Share one visitor permit pretty much so there's no other opportunity if one.

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If that visitor permit is used for the other three residents to.

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Have visitors so this was a great concern to me and when I looked.

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Into it, that's what brought up the proposal of the visitor temporary permit. Yes, it is at a higher rate, but it's at a higher.

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Rate, so we will not get the abuse of it. It's a temporary temporary permit.

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Program so we'll see um the usage and will track.

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The usage um and I can bring it back to council.

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Next year to let you know how how positive successful it is.

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um With covid, it might be a little bit different.

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This year, thank you did that answer um what you want. It comes to members.

G

Gambler, I asked one more question. Yes, could you summarize council member.

G

Roland, the three, the three price tiers you have for a.

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Zone permit well, I uh that is uh not in the revised.

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Amendment I did originally have 46 for the first.

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150 in that zone and then the cost of an all zone permit 106.

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For the penultimate 50 and then 212 dollars for the final 50.

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But again technically, we can't do three tiers. We can, however, do a program where.

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Anybody who's not eligible for a 46 dollar permit, but has an address.

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In zone six can simply get a permit at a different price, and that price is.

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Double the cost of an all zone permit so that it will increase.

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uh Year by year, on the other hand, because this is a.

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An experimental program it is set to sunset.

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In february, so it doesn't really need to be pegged to that.

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But that is consistent with I mean the market for private parking off street.

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In this area uh reaches as high as that much per month- and this is a cost.

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Per year, and so that's the 212 figure that you're.

G

Speaking about correct, so so residents who would ordinarily buy.

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Are charged, I think he said 46 other residents who would not normally.

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Be entitled, but who live in zone six would get charged t12.

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um Yes, but if, if uh all the.

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46 dollar permits, if, if uh I mean there is no current cap.

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On how many permits can be sold in a zone, we do know.

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How many roughly, how many spots there are to park.

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And I think that the parking services director has the.

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Ability to you know, decide whether or not to.

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Fulfill an application for a permit, but if.

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For some reason, the zone sells out of 46 dollar permits.

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Then you know these wouldn't be uh available, uh but I think it's up to.

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The parking services director to to uh to stop selling permits if she.

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Believes the zone is full, but there's no actual ordinance. That.

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uh That currently caps, that an earlier draft of this amendment.

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Actually did cap the amount of permits that could be sold.

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But that's no longer in the revised amendment.

G

Thank you. Thank you, council. Thank you. Councilmember flaherty,.

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Yes, thank you, um uh council member volun, you mentioned.

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That the parking commission rejected, at least um in part, I think it was a 3-3.

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Vote or something that the parking commission rejected your initial proposal, because the pricing wasn't equitable.

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That is, if you lived in a single family, detached home, you paid 46. If you lived in a multi-family unit, you paid.

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A much more expensive price, uh so you had.

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Revised the proposal which went to transportation committee, but now I'm revising it again, we're back to a system where, if you live in a multi-family drawing you pay four times more than four times.

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The amount of somebody who lives in a single detached dwelling, which is like, I think there are major problems with the residential parking.

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Program for equity reasons, and and to me this is: um I understand that that people.

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Are wholly ineligible right now and um you know, could now under your.

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Proposal come in at 212., um but it's it's still inequitable.

H

Because they're paying over four times as much, why not put it to 46 for this program, uh this experimental program still cap.

H

It- and I think you know there's in any so my question basically has to.

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Do with estimating market demand, which I think is part of your goal here, um if the 212 uh you know, we sell 30 of.

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Them all that tells you is that you that there are, you know, is demand among people dwelling in multi-family units.

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For about 30 permits at 212., it doesn't really tell you how to fix the program.

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For next year, or where to set the price, if that's, what we're interested in doing.

H

Whereas if you set it at 46 and we sell out.

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And then there's another 80 people that ask for them and we don't sell them to.

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Them uh you know: do it on a first come first serve basis, then you've demonstrated that at least 180 people. In addition to the you know, people who used to be eligible.

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Now want to buy in at 46, and you can you know using some rough estimates of.

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Elasticity of parking or something you can at least try to estimate. You know.

H

If the price should be higher, if we're gonna open it up to more people to be more equitable, so I guess my preference would be to not make an.

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Inequitable system now to prove market demand rather to keep the system equitable, open it to more people cap. It.

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And let the requests for permit illustrate that market demand.

H

Rather than than a differential pricing and.

H

uh Sorry that was a lot of explanation, but my question is essentially: would you.

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Consider that instead, okay, that's a very good question and.

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Perhaps the crux of the matter, my short answer is no. I would not.

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Consider that, for several reasons, number one um I.

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Know the demand is enormous here, um but this is a way of experimenting.

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Number one number two: the neighborhood association would not.

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Endorse opening up the program for any reason.

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To simply, it would be more unprecedented to simply allow non-single-family.

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Dwellers to buy permits, it would be a fundamental change in the program.

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That I don't think we're prepared for tonight.

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um And I don't think would fly certainly not into this timeline.

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I also don't think that this neighborhood in particular will welcome.

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um You know full streets uh for no reason that appears to them.

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There there is definitely a privilege that.

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People living in neighborhood zones feel about this price.

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They complained about the price going up from 25 to 45.

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In 2019 it was the first time we had raised the neighborhood zone price in 25.

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Years so most of people who park and who live.

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In core neighborhoods that have these zones are long accustomed.

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To this low subsidized price, so what I will say is.

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This amendment is not inequitable per se. The neighborhood parking zone program as.

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A whole has always been inequitable in that way. This amendment makes it.

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Less inequitable, it's not perfect and in fact I fully.

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Acknowledge that uh it's it in theory, it does not seem fair uh in practice.

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This price is substantially less than what.

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uh Multi-Family dwellers are accustomed to paying.

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For off-street parking in this area, um and my hunch is that all 100 permits.

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Will sell out and if they do that's a sign that that's.

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Assigned to the entire city, including people living in the other.

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Zones that are accustomed to that grossly subsidized 46 dollar.

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Amount that we have to change the way we think about residential parking.

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And that one size doesn't fit all the price of each zone should be set to.

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Match the demand there's going to be more demand in the zone closest to campus, and there is in the near west.

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Side so because permit prices can really only be.

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Changed once a year, if we don't do this now, it's going to.

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Take a year to find out what the actual it could take years to find out what the actual price should be, and I would say that by.

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Setting it at 212, if permits, aren't selling, we can always.

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Run another ordinance uh in october and november.

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To cut the price but trying to raise the price.

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You know is not going to show us what the demand is so.

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It's an unusual program: that's why it has a sunset.

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It's meant to be a data point to show us, uh you know what is, but it's really.

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Meant to show neighborhood zone parkers just how.

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Inexpensive the parking they've been getting is and how much demand there is for that parking.

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E

Oops, I'm sorry you're good councilmember flaherty, uh yes for now. Thank you. Okay,.

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Thank you any further questions from city council first round.

E

Okay, um I saw your hands council member scam blurry, but I have a.

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Question here um before we move forward.

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Council member holden first thing I want to say, is that I'm not real comfortable.

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With um um the outcome at the parking commission.

E

On this discussion um there was pushback and then it in essence and next time.

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Failed on a three to three vote, um so it sounds like this amendment that.

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You're bringing tonight is.

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It doesn't it's all: it's trying to change.

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Something that's in existence or not in existence, and I think this would.

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Be better suited with an ordinance, as opposed to an amendment.

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Because I think it's creating something that doesn't exist.

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And that's what ordinances do is my understanding, but my question and all.

E

This is um another comment. I'd also like to.

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Have a tiff in my own neighborhood too. In essence: that's kind of what we're.

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Doing I think each and every one of us would like to have our very own tiff.

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To serve public works for our own little pet projects,.

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But secondly, my question is: why not city wide? If this is uh this amendment.

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Is going to solve some of those issues? Why not wide, as opposed to just the garden hill district? First, let me.

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Say that uh I I don't think that it has to be an ordinance. I think that this a separate ordinance, it's uh perfectly.

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Appropriate here I simply disagree with that assessment.

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We've made much bigger changes via amendments.

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uh You know to city code, but with respect.

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To why not city-wide? That's a excellent question. Keep in mind.

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First of all that zone six is the first neighborhood zone.

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To have enforcement at night and on weekends, uh this is.

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This was already an unusual zone, but it was what it was. The.

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The case that garden hill needed that's the way that their streets are.

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Used at night and on weekends- and they wanted to have some more.

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Control over how that's used and well, they got it and.

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The pressure to park in this neighborhood is unusual.

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As well as high, um and they also expressed a willingness to.

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Experiment, you know they, but uh I I think that you're you're.

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Seeing the reason why they're willing is.

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Because they know that the money that you know.

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Even if uh they had to pay the higher rate at.

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Least, they know that the money is coming back to.

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uh To the area where it was generated, um this is a you know: stock.

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Donald trump, I can talk about sort of the.

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Logic behind how parking benefit districts work.

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But I also don't think that any of us should be.

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Trying to change wholesale the neighborhood's own system.

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Without you know some evidence, we, you know mr flaherty and I like.

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Actually, several parking commissioners and several council members.

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And just talking about the ideas spitfalling, it have said.

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uh Look there's an inherent inequality here and.

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Your amendment uh doesn't doesn't uh uh uh eliminate it and I had to balance.

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It that was the case, and I hadn't thought about it. That way, I just thought here are people who can't buy parking at all.

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And at least we can give them parking, but we shouldn't give it to them.

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For uh the subsidized price, we should give to them for the market price.

B

So the subsidies would has to change, but you all can tell me.

B

How enthusiastic other neighborhoods are going to be about suddenly paying.

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What the market will bear for parking in their own neighborhood? That's not what.

B

They're accustomed to and as correct as policy as that is.

B

It's not going to change easily or quickly. This is a way.

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Of getting everyone to be on board if they know that the money is staying in.

B

Their zone they're much more inclined to support it.

E

Thank you um uh before we go into dublin. I have a.

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Another question: if I may.

E

It appears uh I'm hearing some some legality issues.

E

um In your research or your estimation- and maybe we need staff or.

E

Maybe city legal, but in in your mind, is this.

E

Legal, that's simple: is this legal? Have you have you talked about the.

E

Legality of this um well, that's I'm sorry! I I I'm.

B

Proposing an amendment: how is it I don't even understand the.

B

Question: okay, uh I'll go to our council staff.

E

Mr lucas has there any been any discussion on.

E

Legalities of this amendment, well, I'm not quite sure what what you're.

C

Asking is I'll point blank. Is this.

E

Legal, do you mean procedurally or the uh the results.

E

The possible results, if we were to pass this tonight, would.

E

Is there any liability or would we um have to withstand a challenge of any.

E

Type, do you think so I I have received comments from a member.

C

Of the public that has questioned whether the amendment is germane.

C

To the the ordinance, I don't know, if that's what you're referring to.

C

um If so, um council should be aware there, there is a.

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Requirement in our local code that amendments be germaine to the.

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To the uh proposition being considered.

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Robert's uh rules of order uh kind of elaborate on what what.

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Is and isn't germaine um if there's a question.

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Of whether this amendment is germane to the.

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uh To the ordinance being considered, um the chair can make a determination or.

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Can ask that the council as a whole uh vote to determine if the the.

C

Amendment is germaine, so if that's the concern you're referring to.

C

That's my response. I do believe we've got barbara mckinney here as well, who.

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May be able to comment on the legality of the actual content of the amendment. As far as I know,.

C

Staff hasn't expressed any concerns, but she may be able to to chime in with.

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Additional information if she'd like to okay, that's an answer, and if she cares.

E

To chime in um we'll listen.

E

Okay and if not um council, member piedmont, smith being a parliamentarian.

E

Do we go for a second round of council questions before public comment.

A

Normally, yes, normally, yes, thank you. Okay, um council member scam, blurry. I think.

E

You had other questions I did thank you.

G

So there's currently a proposed road closure in lower cascades park.

G

um And we are discussing among neighborhoods and we're gathering.

G

Feedback from residents about whether or not they'd like that to continue.

G

One of the key points of that discussion that's come up, though, is whether or not.

G

This is a year that gives us good data. um I would hate.

G

To see us try this program get to a year from now.

G

And decide well, it was a coveted year, so we really didn't learn what we thought.

G

We learned is now I appreciate what you're saying.

G

This is a test and it's a way to gather data.

G

Is this a year to do that? Are we going to get good reliable data in a year.

G

When covet has changed, the student population.

G

um And changed people's travel and work patterns so much.

G

Does it make sense, that's it yeah. It's a good question.

B

um So the dilemma that I've been trying to solve all along.

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Has been that uh only half the capacity of the zone was sold.

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And the streets have been largely empty because of the.

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uh Significantly longer hours of enforcement.

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And I had constituents, people living in the zone.

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Writing me and saying I can't have somebody visit me. My mom can't visit me.

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My girlfriend can't visit me, I uh I'm. I live in this apartment.

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Building and the street is empty like why.

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And you know good parking theory says that 85 to 90.

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Of parking should be uh in use at any given time.

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If more than that's in use, you're not charging enough.

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But if less and that's in use you you're charging too much.

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Well, we weren't so much charging too much as preventing it all together.

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It was only available to single-family dwellings, which are not a majority of.

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Units in this park in this uh neighborhood so.

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I wanted to have an answer that would at once.

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uh You know satisfy the question: why are these spaces empty without.

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uh Abandoning the original goal of zone six.

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Which was to enforce parking at nights and on weekends.

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On behalf of the neighborhood, so I this is a balanced amendment. That's gone.

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Through many revisions, significant revisions, um ad parking commission and here through talking with staff.

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In order to try to achieve that goal, what I don't want to do.

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Is have to tell people living in zone six, especially in a year.

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Where there's not gonna be as many people here that you can't park on the.

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Street, because, even though it's empty you can't park in the tree for any price, at least this way, uh we can do it in a.

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Controlled way without uh you know,.

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uh Without upsetting the original purpose of the zone,.

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And the the neighborhood that asked for it.

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Thank you. Thank you. um Councilmember smith,.

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Thank you, uh councilmember sims um I'll. Tell you the way. I've looked at.

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This, um having talked with council member roland about it and.

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Thought about it with listen to everyone. um It's.

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It's a way to it certainly is a way to experiment and see how this works.

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And council member volun is very interested in parking.

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uh Structure and structures and fees and how it is on how much it costs to.

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Park there, how you know subsidies so.

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It seems like if it's legal and it's okay with the.

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City departments, they're they're kind of tentative, but they'll go along with the.

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Two, it seems like it's a great opportunity.

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To try a program, it has a sunset: when is the sunset.

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Counselor bowling february 28th, so it it'll last for a few months and we'll.

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Get some data and it could be uh since we really don't.

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Know how it's going to come out and it and it.

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Is a coveted year right, so we don't know how.

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It's going to come out, but um it would seems like it's a great.

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Opportunity to try a pilot program if we get a lot of blowback. I guess we.

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Could come back and rescind it.

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um By ordinance and what it seems like, is this a good.

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Opportunity to give it a try and and see how it works. uh I would think.

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That there are other opportunities in.

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In our city that we we have opportunity to try other.

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Pilot programs, along the way uh in different.

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So you know, I, I think it's kind of a good idea that we give it a try.

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And- and I I respect everyone's opinions so.

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um Is there a question? No, there wasn't a question I just I was.

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Going to ask you when it's sunsetted but beyond that.

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If I could respond to it since we're in questions well,.

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Actually, what I was going to say is that I thought you had given me the capital.

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So- and I didn't think he was done speaking before you asked if he had a.

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Question so are you done councilmember smith? I am done. Thank you.

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Okay, council members, please please, please respond council member. I.

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Appreciate it, mr chair, yes, so um I will say.

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That um one thing I learned about the data from.

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Staff is that approximately three quarters of neighborhood zone permits.

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Are sold in august and the other quarter is sold.

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In january, so the date of february 28th was chosen.

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Because iu has announced that students will be coming back.

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February 1 right give or take they're not going to be here for january, so we're going to have a chance to see.

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If there are any permits left in 2021 uh how many of those sell I do expect.

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That, even in a year like this one, the demand for.

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Parking in that area is so great that I'm not expecting all 100 permits.

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To sell even at that price, so uh you know I'm.

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Glad that uh that you think it's worth trying, I would say uh just one one reaction. One word you said.

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uh The idea that somehow it's is it legal.

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uh Is I don't know why this question is being brought up.

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If it's, if the question is because whether this is germaine.

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Our code talks about legislation being germaine to the proposition.

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The proposition is the ordinance as a whole not to.

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Every item or any item within the ordinance.

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So uh this is a an ordinance about vehicles and traffic.

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This uh this is where parking stuff lives. This is absolutely germane to this.

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Ordinance full stop. So any question about its.

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So-Called legality is unprecedented in my experience on the council. Thank.

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You you're welcome and I may add it's just.

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Part of the discussion so, but thank you for your comments. Any.

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Further comments from council members.

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Seeing none um will now go to the public for comments on amendment number five.

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Of ordinance 20-12, um please signify by using the.

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Chat function, array, I'm sorry, yeah the function.

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To let us know, or the raised hand function to so our.

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Attorney can can recognize you believe. Mr mr lucas go ahead. Yeah. I first had a.

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Request from uh natalya gavin, who should be.

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uh Unmuted and ready to comment.

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Thank you, miss calvin. You have five minutes. Okay,.

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Thank you so much um so I reached out to uh council president volunt and.

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Councilman or council member rosenberger, um who I wish I wish, was president.

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Because we had a really good conversation about this, I became aware of this um just listening to a commission meeting.

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And I well I'm a current member of this or a current resident of district. One.

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I used to live adjacent to the stadium in in that stadium, neighborhood.

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And um I uh listening to the commission, members was.

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Great um hearing kind of them going, you know back.

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And forth and then there was a conversation about equity and stuff, but um the elephant of the room was towing.

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Right so when I used to live in that neighborhood, um we didn't have.

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That option for temporary permits, which.

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Council president volun is correct, like that would have been ideal.

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When you have long-term visitors and stuff like that, so I reached out to some.

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People, some friends who currently live in that neighborhood.

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Just within the past week to get their um opinion, the majority of them are.

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Students right so um they I found out that, even though.

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Many years have elapsed since I used to live in that neighborhood.

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Nothing really has changed in terms of like parking, accessibility for guests.

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And options right, so um I think when council member.

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Clarity kind of raise parity and equity within the pricing. um That certainly is.

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Always you know um something super important to consider.

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But um that neighborhood is really.

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Extraordinary because of the stadium right and so towing is, was always such an issue.

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Like I don't think any of us um that actually lived there had any fewer than.

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Two to five friends or family members who.

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Had been towed um because there were really no.

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Reasonable guest kind of solutions in that area so.

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While um I was listening to like the other commission members,.

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Kind of speak about it. I thought um I wonder.

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If they had and arguing for parity and equity for.

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um Predominantly students right if they had actually reached out to them, to ask.

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Them what their opinion was, because, when I reached out to them just.

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This past week, um they argued that, like well at least.

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It gives us an option that we're grateful for um because we do.

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Have a lot of guests and visitors who unfortunately have been towed before and.

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um We, you know, we just didn't, have we didn't have options so anyway, just something to consider thank.

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You for your time.

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Thank you for your comments. um Who do we have next.

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Mr lucas, next up, I believe I saw randy paul.

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Indicate that he'd like to comment he should be unmuted and ready to go.

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Okay, can you hear me all right? Yes, I might look at this in a little.

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Different way, this may very well be a good idea.

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I think it might be a better idea if our time was being spent on it.

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And my concern is the process and I have always felt that for good government.

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Process really does matter, and I do think that the legality question that.

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Was brought up is a legitimate one, because I don't.

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Think that this amendment is germane and I can't take credit for the work or.

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The research done um information I'm getting is from a beacon.

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Article that was done this week, it's 5 000 words, it's well researched. I think.

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It makes a very strong argument that this really should stand as an.

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Ordinance and if, for no other reason what I'm saying tonight.

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Is that some of the concerns you've been expressing.

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You're asking questions and getting answers on the same night, you're being.

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Asked to vote for this and I think it's a complicated question. I think it deserves a first reading. I think it deserves the.

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Process that most ordinances would get.

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And I think you're selling yourselves short, that you might be rushing this.

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And passing a piece of bad legislation that you're going to regret later.

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Also, I'm concerned about the committee structure, the your own.

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Parking commission, if I've got my information right on july.

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9Th the pushback was so great that council member.

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Roland withdrew the proposal on july 23rd. It was voted down.

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Three to three and then there's a straw vote where one person supported it and.

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Too, abstained. His draw votes, don't really count as far as pushing legislation forward to you guys, I was actually surprised. I thought this.

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Really belonged to the committee of the whole, since it really does impact the.

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Entire city, but even if you're going to honor your committee system, your own parking commission apparently doesn't or.

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At least has concerns about this, and it also isn't consistent with the.

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Whereas clause at least a copy that I'm reading states that the parking commission recommends this, which clearly they don't.

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I think I think what I'm seeing tonight is what happens when the process is cut.

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Short and people try to make- I think big.

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Decisions in one night, I think this deserves a lot more discussion.

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I would hope that if you haven't read the beacon article that you do so.

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And after you do that talk to your council about whether this really is.

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Germane to what you're doing, because I I don't think it is, and I think there's.

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No reason why you have to rush this tonight, why you can't do it.

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The proper way and again, my my concern for good government is this:.

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Is where the public is going to look at you and.

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As whether you're legitimate or not, and if the public sees you making shortcuts.

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Not for some diabolical reason, if it's even if it's just for.

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Time management people have more faith in their government, they see their.

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Government follow the rules and I think you're you're, making a mistake tonight if you build on this tonight. Thank you.

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Thank you for your comments, mr paul, uh mr lucas.

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uh We now have uh mr greg alexander, who should be.

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Ready to comment, and if I may just before mr alexander goes I'll remind.

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Everyone else to you can use the chat feature to raise your hand or I'm sorry, use the feature to do your.

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Hand raise or send us a note on chat, so we can get you on the public comment.

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I think I got that right tonight, mr lucas, okay,.

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um Our next person, mr alexander thanks uh hi, I'm greg alexander. I.

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I'm really excited about the direction that this is going. You know we, we really do need to raise the the cost of parking and we need to make.

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It more available more like a market commodity.

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And this is heading in that direction. Honestly, I think.

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It's a little bit more complicated than it needs to be, but I.

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I really ultimately agree with uh council member smith.

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That why not try it? This is a you know. This.

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Potentially a herald is a very large change, but this particular change. That's.

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Before you, it's small, it's going into basically an omnibus bill of different.

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Small changes and it's it's just an experiment. It's a small experiment and it'll give us information. That'll.

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Help decide what goes on. I just want to make sure, though, that you.

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Guys understand this is not going to solve any sidewalk funding problems. The pilot itself is obviously not going to.

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Generate a huge amount of revenue if it eventually turns into where these.

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Neighborhood parking districts are generating a lot of revenue.

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Well, first off sidewalks can't really wait that long people are walking in the.

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Street today, but secondly, that introduces a huge.

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Equity problem, you know, because a lot of these core neighborhoods with parking problems really do need sidewalks urgently.

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But also a lot of these more far-flung neighborhoods like.

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What's it called blue ridge between dunn and and college on the north side of.

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Town, like that's, never going to have a parking district, but it desperately needs.

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A tremendous investment in sidewalks, and especially some of the.

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um Like the poorer neighborhoods like, if you see.

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If you look out your window as you go down, bloomfield road or second street.

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um You're gonna see people who are visibly impoverished, walking.

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On really uh some extraordinarily poor, sidewalks and crosswalks kind of.

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Situation and you're never gonna see a parking district down there either. So we gotta make sure that we solve the sidewalk.

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Problem for the whole city, but I think this is a good start on parking policy. Thanks.

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Thank you for your comments, mr alexander. uh Mr lucas, do you have anyone else.

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I don't believe anybody else's has indicated they'd like to comment.

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Okay and while you're looking, I remind the public.

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That you can use the raise hand, function.

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If you want to speak or use the chat feature to, let us know.

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Okay, seeing any okay thank you that will end public.

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Comment um section and now we'll go back to.

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Counsel for final comments.

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See, oh council, member of allman.

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Yes, uh you know, I admit, that this legislation is trying to thread a needle.

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It's definitely complicated. I reject outright.

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Out of hand, any argument that it is not germane.

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Let alone that is somehow illegal to take this very pedantic interpretation.

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Of code is to undo years of.

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Habit of the council there's any number of amendments that could be claimed to.

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Have not been germane to the policy. uh I am looking forward to.

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Contacting our long time recently, retired attorney administrator.

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To ask about this because I followed his lead.

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For as long as I've been on council, I remember you know.

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Never has this been invoked, let alone the way.

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That our friend at the beacon uh seems to want.

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To to do it, um I you know, I think that uh I don't care how many.

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Words, he writes that's a a complete misinterpretation of code.

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uh So the idea that some of this is illegal is.

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Ridiculous: uh this is absolutely germane to vehicles and traffic. It's why it's.

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What mr sherman taught me was that if you have a change.

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In a different title that should have its own.

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Ordinance but if you're changing a title, that's about as.

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As much as the germain test gets, so uh I greatly am put off by this argument.

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And I find it most unfortunate that anyone would would raise it.

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But having said that, one of the things that ms wahl.

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uh Said was that she has struggled to convert the parking system.

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To be online to serve people in during the covet crisis and.

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They've done heroic work to uh to get ready to be able to.

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To uh sell permits online without public contact.

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And she said that she wouldn't really be able to implement this before august.

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15Th and that's a why put september 15th into.

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The revised amendment because she would have time at.

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That point, as far as she told me and b, you know I frankly.

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Didn't really care whether this amendment passed or not what I cared.

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About was that we had this conversation, because it's important to note that in.

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Fact, in the course of discussing this amendment, uh what what has opened.

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My eyes and many other people's eyes is the inherent inequity of the neighborhood parking zone system as a whole, and if anyone thinks about it for a minute.

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It's going to take, uh you know some very complicated legislating to.

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Bring everybody on board? Okay! What I'm proposing here, I'm going.

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To keep bringing back in some form or other it, we may uh it.

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Will may benefit from more time, but this is the a.

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Very simple, very short-lived trial balloon.

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To demonstrate the concept, nothing more, a hundred permits available at a market.

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Price uh to be sold starting september 15th.

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For one year only and effectively done by the end of february.

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I think we're going to know by october or even september.

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uh What the demand is for these permits and if they don't sell, there's no harm.

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No foul, if they do sell, that's a sign that the.

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Entire neighborhood zone needs the system needs to be free thought. So if.

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It would make people feel more comfortable to.

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Have this brought as an amendment and passed on, say september 16th.

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Rather, to have it brought as a separate ordinance fine, but uh the idea that somehow it's not germane to a vehicles and traffic.

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Ordinance is absurd and it's wholly appropriate.

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Finally, I'd say that parking commissions make recommendations just like.

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Committees do, and this is a fundamental thing- that people have misunderstood.

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About both boards and commissions and committees.

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Unless it's statutorily required, a recommendation is just a.

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Recommendation, it's not a requirement even plan commission recommendations are.

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Just recommendations they have to be approved by council if.

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They have to come to council, okay, so uh let no one steer you.

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Astray a recommendation does not mean I mean the parking commission couldn't.

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Prevent a council member from introducing legislation.

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At any point in the legislative process, so this argument that somehow.

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It was inappropriate is utterly inappropriate.

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I'll leave it at that. Thank you. Thank you. um I do believe our.

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Administrator, we have another request for a public comment.

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So um I'll ask my fellow council members: do we have any.

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um Anyone against allowing that so a question from the b-square beacon. I.

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Do believe, okay, seeing none uh please proceed. Mr.

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Lucas, yes, I I think he was uh having some.

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Technical difficulties with his audio and uh we allowed a late taker for public comment earlier in the meeting. So.

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um He sent along a message that he asked me to read.

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On council member stephen volen's theory of what an allowable amendment is.

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You could amend a city code to raise parking meter rates to five dollars.

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Tonight, through an amendment to this ordinance, I don't think you can, if that's possible, think about how vigilant.

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We I think the public would have to be any time. There's a title. 15.

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Change there could be an amendment that raises parking meter rates.

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The comment: okay, thank him for that comment.

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um Do we have any other final comment from.

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Council members, councilmember p mount smith.

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Yes, um I think this uh amendment raises a lot of interesting issues.

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And um it deserves these issues to deserve further scrutiny and further.

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Discussion um but I do feel like.

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The amendment itself and the changes it proposes.

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Are not, I think we need more more time to discuss the issues involved.

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um I I agree that uh our boards and commissions they just.

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Make recommendations we don't have to follow them, um but the the parking commission is a group of individuals just like all.

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Our commissions, they have experience, they've looked at.

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The issue um that that their commission focuses on.

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In different um with different perspectives,.

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uh All different questions from different areas of the city regarding parking have gone through that commission. uh So.

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I think it's very important to have their viewpoint and.

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They, as far as I know, they they've not seen the latest iteration of.

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This amendment, and so we do not have their input, so I.

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Think that's problematic. I also see as problematic what council.

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Member flaherty said about the um inequity of.

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Charging renters more than four times as much as.

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Saying as people who live in single-family residences in the same.

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Zone um I mean, I know that there's an.

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Inequity inherent in the um in the.

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Neighborhood parking program in that most of the time.

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uh People who live in multi-family residences aren't even allowed to buy.

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Any permits, except maybe except the new, the new.

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Temporary visitor permits, so that is a problem and.

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I I think it's it's inequitable, I think.

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It shouldn't really be perpetuated and and made even worse by.

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This particular amendment, and it does seem to me.

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That I agree again with council member flaherty that.

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If we want to know what the demand is, we could just open it up to multi-family.

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Residents and see how many permits we sell up to a certain limit, and then we could have this longer discussion.

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uh With the experts of the parking commission with.

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People in different neighborhoods about the future of the neighborhood parking.

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Zone program and whether it should be open to multi-family residents and whether the price should be.

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Increased again um beyond what was passed in 2018, which.

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Was an incremental increase to really cover all the costs, and maybe.

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Even pay for some sidewalks, so I there there are so many questions.

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That at this point I do not feel comfortable voting in favor of this amendment. um I do think the amendment is.

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Germaine to title um to to this ordinance.

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But I think the um the main point, at least that mr paul was making, was that.

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um It's it's a big enough change that he's.

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Concerned that there are members of the public who are concerned.

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That this didn't get a first reading and wasn't.

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You know the final version just came out today, so the public didn't really have a.

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Chance to to read it and digest it and comment on it, so I think that that's a legitimate concern so I'll be voting no on the.

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Amendment. Thank you. Thank you. um Council member flaherty did.

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You have yeah council member flaherty. uh Yes, thank you.

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Yeah, like I said in my question to council member bowling.

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um I think the and like council member piedmont smith, said I think there are.

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Like a lot of really important issues here that we're discussing and that we need to continue to examine and I've had an initial conversation.

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With miss wahl about this and would like to continue working on.

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This in the coming months, honestly, because if we want to you, know, fix some.

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Of the inequity inherent in the neighborhood residential zone program.

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For next year, as well as the visitor program, uh you know we really need to start working on that now.

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um Because it's kind of the program's already started this year, it's difficult.

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To change things mid-stream, but again some.

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Of these inequities, you can buy an annual visitor permit for.

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The entire year, you just have a visitor permit. You put in a car for 46 bucks.

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If you live in a single family detached home, if you live in a duplex.

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You can't get one at all after if we pass this tonight, you'll be able to buy.

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11 a night 11 a night for a permit if you live in a duplex uh 46 for the year for your visitor.

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Permit if you live in a single family detached home, uh you know the same can be said about the ability to even get a neighborhood.

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Permit or not, um and and uh that's just really really.

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Fundamentally inequitable, you know, even councilmember roland spoke about what water wouldn't fly in the neighborhood, based on.

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You know, I think, an assumption about the neighborhood association and who that represents, but everybody who lives in the zone and lives in the neighborhood is a member of that neighborhood and they should have us. You know they should have a stake in in what gets done and they should uh you.

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Know they should all have a right to the streets. Just like a multi-family building might have a parking lot.

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uh Most single-family homes have the ability to have a driveway.

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Or a parking pad in fact most do uh you know all of zone.

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Six, more or less has alley access, and it seemed to me with a quick satellite.

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View search that that people overwhelmingly have have.

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The ability to park off street um I think zone six is unique in some ways. I.

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Mean it's about that being next to the stadium, so for football games in particular, which you know aren't happening, this fall.

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Sadly, in the end anyway, but um I think uh there's a lot.

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Of issues to work through to make this an epitome, equitable program that will.

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Work uh for all zones, and- and that might mean you know.

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uh Pricing to the market differentially in different zones, um even uh but I think you know to ms.

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Galvin's point: um you know that that.

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This order, mr williams, point that this is less equitable, somehow, because it at.

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Least allows people to to buy in at some price. um You know when.

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You're excluded from something entirely, you become really grateful for anything, but that doesn't make it a fair outcome, and I think ms galvin mostly spoke about.

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Visitors and we are going to solve at least that opportunity problem with the temporary visited visitor permit program.

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Presumably, the other thing I would say is that.

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uh Like constantly repeating not smith, I think we can demonstrate market demand in a different way. That is less inequitable, and I think we can bring that in an ordinance in in two two weeks from now. If we want and I'd be happy to work on that with.

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Council, member volun, which is to bring you know or independently or with any other council member, which is to bring uh open it up to any resident of the zone.

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And just simply cap, you know the number of permits sold.

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um And and if we could do that via ordinance, uh it would allow us to.

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Demonstrate market demand by uh the additional requests we have.

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For permits, above and beyond what space allows, uh and that too will make the case that you should price to.

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To demand in an equitable way, um so I'm happy to pursue that uh and.

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Probably will if this amendment fails tonight, but I won't be voting for it for some of those reasons. Thanks.

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Thank you, council member flaherty um council member scan balleri. Thank you.

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Council, member piedmont, smith and council member flaherty made some great.

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Points and I appreciate that um several things troubled me about this.

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This um about this amendment, we are trying to demonstrate proof of concept.

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But I think there's a way to do that with parity and how much we are asking.

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People to pay for these permits.

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I really still question whether or not any data that we gather this year.

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Will be data that we can trust, because this is such an unusual year.

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um And finally, I I would, I think this is germane to any discussion of vehicles.

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And traffic, so I don't have an issue there, um but it also feels qualitatively different than a lot of the other issues.

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In this ordinance, there's a difference between a just, a qualitative difference. I think, between adjusting a speed limit on the.

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Screen and changing the way we do business.

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And so for that reason I think it does deserve.

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The fuller process uh and multiple hearings, so I won't be supporting this.

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Thank you. uh Any further concept cuts remember bowling. Yes,.

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um I need to give a little background on the history of this amendment so that.

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You can understand why it seems rushed the parking.

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Commission was out of commission until june 28th.

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I tried to get on their agenda as quickly as I could. We talked about it in.

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June and july I modified it based on their feedback.

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The 3-3 vote that did that failed to give a positive recommendation.

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Was based on the three-tiered system, which.

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And it was because it would, and also that it was.

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Inequitable uh that uh single-family, uh you know, like the the for the reasons.

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That have been taken out of the revised version, so.

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uh All this was to try to get in place something that by august 15th.

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Would allow uh those spaces to be used by people who live in.

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The zone, even if they don't live in single family dwellings, that was my goal. I feel like I've done my duty.

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To the neighborhood, I've done my best to serve them to try to solve this problem.

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And uh you know, while I don't particularly like.

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The apparent taste that uh this legislation uh has been.

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Characterized as being it's not at all inappropriate.

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Also, this proposal was very small: it was reduced and reduced and reduced to a.

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Temporary one-time hunter permits only let's see.

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What happens again sure.

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We're not going to, I mean technically that's right that.

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Covet is going to skew the numbers but which way.

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Again, if the permits sell out even during covid.

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That's amazing, but if they don't sell out, that's not an indication of anything.

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And maybe there's not a problem, so we could have found out.

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uh So this revision was a response to the plan. The parking commission's.

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You know lack of support for it. I certainly want to go back to parking.

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Commission but the time to introduce the new legislation to get it done on september.

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15Th, I mean we'll be lucky to get it done by october. 1 at this point and the diminishing returns will will.

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Increase, I mean I'm not sure who's going to want a permit by october, but it you know it's. It's not.

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uh Worth giving up on yet um yes, this uh resolu, this uh amendment.

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uh Is not theoretically equitable, but it's very practically.

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Equitable, it uh uh you know to to there's no way I would support it.

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uh Just opening up uh permits to any resident of the zone.

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Because we would have a hue and cry like compare, you could compare it to the.

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Comprehensive plan over plexus, it would be that big a deal.

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Because that's what people are used to is going to take a different kind of.

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Change this was that change. We still can make a change like it. It.

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Just maybe not tonight, but you know the neighborhood.

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Association, absolutely would not support it. The ones who asked for the zone in the first place they would not support.

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Opening up the zone at the same price, uh it would sell out in minutes and.

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You know I wouldn't support that and I'm not proposing it so having said.

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That I'm happy to work with people to try to bring forward a a uh more.

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Let's call it a more understandable proposal.

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I studied this issue very thoroughly very deeply. I'm firmly convinced.

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That this is the way to at least establish a market.

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And to demonstrate to the rest of the city, especially other neighborhood zones,.

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That they need to have a hard rethink of their neighborhood zone program that.

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It's it's uh grossly subsidized and.

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The reasons that we implemented the neighborhood zone program back in 1992.

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Are different now there's a lot more people in the city there's a lot more.

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uh Demand for on-street parking than just commuting to iu.

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So I welcome anyone who wants to discuss uh the overhaul of the neighborhood.

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Parking zone that I want to make sure it's understood.

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That this amendment was a very small initial effort to try.

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To get that conversation started and to have proof of concept.

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To show receipts to say, look at the demand.

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It looks like we're not going to get that opportunity this year. It's too bad.

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But I'm glad we had the discussion and I very much appreciate the opportunity.

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Thank you. Thank you, council member poland,.

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um If we have no other council comments, I'll take a shot.

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Thank you. um All I really want to say is.

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First of all, thank you for bringing that council volun. I'm satisfied after this.

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Conversation that it appears to be germaine and we will.

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Have other conversations um I will.

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Say that asking about legalities or whether it was germaine at the beginning.

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Was not an indictment and should not be looked upon as such.

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It's just a question which I'm allowed to ask during council.

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Comment and question period as any other council member is.

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And having said that, are we ready for a vote on this amendment.

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Okay, saying head shaking um miss clerk, will you please call the roll.

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Council, member smith,.

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Yes, sandberg, yes, rolo, yes, scandalory.

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Yes, piedmont, smith, no and flaherty.

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Okay, that's four or four did I count it correctly.

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So the amendment fails um so thank you um and I will now pass the.

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Gavel back to the honorable president, ebola.

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Thank you, mr vice president. Much appreciated yes,.

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Is there an amendment six move amendment six.

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To uh ordnance 2012. second motion in a second, uh the maker of the.

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Amendment is not here tonight, miss piedmont smith. Will you can you can.

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You present it. Yes, I just need to find the right.

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A

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All right, so this amendment.

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um Changes some language in regard to motorcycle parking.

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um And I I believe the intention is to.

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To uh not not discourage the use of motorcycles and.

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Mopeds because those are more fuel-efficient.

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Vehicles than cars, so uh it makes a distinction.

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Between motorcycles and um class, a and class b motor driven cycles.

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Which are smaller um so uh it um yes. Thank you.

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Thank you, mr lucas, for showing the amendment on the screen so.

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um It adds a couple of uh definitions. It refers to indiana code.

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For what is a class, a motor driven cycle and a class b motor driven cycle.

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And um then it changes where, uh in the ordinance it, it said that no.

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Person shall park a motorcycle on a class 2 bicycle parking facility.

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And it makes it clear that this restriction does not apply to class a or.

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Class b motor drone vehicles, so a moped or a.

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Vespa or something like that could still park in.

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A bicycle in a bike rack, and then it also deletes.

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Language in the ordinance that says no person shall park a motorcycle or moped.

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In city-owned public parking garages in a space not designated and signed as being reserved for motorcycles.

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So, in other words, it allows.

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Motorcycles and class a and class b motor driven b cycles to park.

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In a rank, any parking space in our garages.

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uh So uh councilmember rosenberger couldn't be here tonight, so.

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I'm just uh hopefully summarizing uh accurately on her behalf.

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Thank you. If that concludes the presentation, I'll take questions from.

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Members on amendment six.

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Can we also talk about the she's, also the chair of the transportation.

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Committee and uh she had a report, I don't think.

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There was any uh it was a 301 vote. I believe.

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So the committee supported it, may I just ask, uh may I ask.

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Staff to um give their opinion of the amendment.

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Yeah, that's a good idea. Could administration staff.

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Weigh in on amendment six yeah, thank you, um council, member piedmont, smith. This is.

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Michelle the director of parking services.

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The only concern I have and unfortunately I was unable to attend the.

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Last transfer transportation committee meeting um is that why we requested.

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The designated signs in the garages for motorcycle was due to safety reasons.

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It's important to have them on a flat surface and it's important for them to.

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Be identified in garages as they if they are able to park in any.

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Area second floor third, floor, they're driving.

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Through drive lanes and oftentimes they're unvisible to the.

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People that are backing out or coming around the corner that are.

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Backing out so the only the only thing that I would.

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Like the council to consider is that we only did.

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The designated um spaces for safety reasons.

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Not to segregate them from the other traffic but kind of to segregate.

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Them for their safety for their own safety, oftentimes.

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Motorcycles aren't visible in garages if they're driving.

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Straight through the drive lanes and when people are backing out, so I.

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Asked the council to consider that we do approve designated motorcycle.

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Spaces in garages for that purpose. Thank you. Thank you.

B

Okay, are there questions for about the amendment from members.

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Anybody no questions at all. We spent some time with this in.

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Transportation committee, so all right, if there are no questions, we'll go to.

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The public for comment on amendment 6 to ordinance.

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2012. is remember the public who would like to.

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Speak to amendment 6, motorcycle parking.

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Please raise your hand, I see a hand raised mr lucas.

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Yes, joseph should be unmuted and ready to comment.

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Please go ahead. uh Hello. uh My name is uh joe nikom. I support.

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Amendment 6 to ordinance 2012 as written, I believe.

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That it now balances the needs of people who utilize motorcycles and motor.

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Different cycles with the burden on the city to accommodate them equitably with.

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Other modes of transportation uh vehicles classified as mdca and m4.

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Mdcb are small lightweight vehicles that, if not secured to a rigid structure in some way, are easy to steal. They can.

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Be easily lifted and put into the bed of a truck or back.

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Of a van in a lot of instances, a bicycle rack may.

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Be the most convenient location to tether and mdca or mdcb vehicle 2.. In addition, by implementing the state's.

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Definition of nbca and mdcb the amendment as written.

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Provides clarity for enforcement, should there be a violation against it.

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um I also support uh there being dedicated.

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And secure parking for motorcycles and motor driven cycles, both within parking.

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Garages and on surface parking locations to avoid utilizing parking.

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Infrastructure that is intended for bicycles.

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Thank you. Thank you. So further public comment on amendment.

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6. second call for public comment on.

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Amendment six, please raise your hand and zoom or type into the chat.

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Mr lucas, do we have any takers final call.

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Yes, there's yes, okay, uh sam should be unmuted and ready to.

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Comment, please state your full name hi there. I.

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Am samuel, welsh sven and I don't have a lot to say we go.

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Ahead, please yeah sure uh yep, but I'm just uh in agreement.

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With everything that joe said um and happy to see that there will be.

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Dedicated parking spots for motorcycles, so thank you.

O

Thank you further public comment. Last call.

B

So lucas has any more.

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Yes, now we'll come: yes, uh we have michael uh waterford, who should.

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Be unmuted and ready to go. Please go ahead.

P

Thank you. I just also wanted to voice my support.

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For the amendment as well, thanks very much any other public.

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B

Seeing none we'll come back to the council for.

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Second round of questions or comment, I did have a question.

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Counselor evan smith, is it a question or a comment.

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It's a question: please go ahead.

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um The uh amendment does not create designated.

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Motorcycle slash moped parking spaces in our garages. Does it.

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I I don't know who I'm asking since the sponsorship.

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You clarify, I don't think it does.

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Maybe I can ask ms walt miss walls yeah, so when I recommended this, this.

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Came from actually parking enforcement, so rand's on this.

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Meeting as well and she's, an enforcement manager.

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What the what this stem from is motorcycles.

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Parking in bicycle racks we currently did not have any way to.

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Site the individuals that were doing this so we said well, we.

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Need to give them a place to park if they can't find a place to park on the.

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Street in a parking space which is allowed at a meter, and they can.

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Park up two or three four motorcycles: if they'd like as long.

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As the meter is fed, then we we needed to provide them a.

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Dedicated space in the garage and pay, the appropriate rate.

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That was the first amendment now, like I said I.

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Missed the transportation committee meeting and I wasn't there to.

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Speak on it, but the whole intent of this was to provide.

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Designated parking spaces in the parking garage.

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To service motorcycles or mopeds in a specific space for their safety.

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May I ask a follow-up question: please go ahead.

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So the ordinance.

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If we ignore the amendment for a moment, the ordinance itself.

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Does it create these dedicated motorcycle parking spots in our garages.

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I I think I see it there. The crossed out see the struck out language.

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No person shall park a motorcycle or moped.

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In city-owned public parking garages in any space not designated and signed.

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As being reserved for motorcycles, this prohibited motorcycles from parking.

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In garage spaces for cars, that's not my question, mr volun. My question was for ms.

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Wall or ms cox.

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The ignoring the amendment for a moment, the ordinance as proposed, does it create.

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Either initial or additional motorcycle parking spaces in our garages.

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What I believe the the the ordinance stated.

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Was- and I don't know if ryan's here before, there was no.

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There was no ordinance saying a motorcycle could not park.

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In a bicycle rack, currently, there is no ordinance that states a motorcycle is.

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Going to have a designated space in a garage it can park like any.

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Other vehicle, so how many parking spaces in our.

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Garages, do we have, or do you intend to dedicate.

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To motorcycles um right now, it'd be two to three spaces.

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We only have normally we're talking four to five.

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Motorcycles a year in the garages based on the count for my garage manager so to create two or three spaces.

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um Would accommodate the need in every garage and we do plan to put them on.

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In every garage at the lowest level flat surface, okay, thank you.

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You're welcome further questions.

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If not we'll go to debate final comment on.

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Councilmember piedmont, smith,.

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um I I cannot vote for this amendment as it's.

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Written I agree that mopeds should be. You know, with the class a and.

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Class b should be allowed to park and connect to to bike racks.

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But I disagree with striking the language.

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About them, not, then them having to park in a designated space.

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Because of the reasons, ms wall indicated that it's for their own safety.

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um So I mean I don't know if anybody has an appetite at 10.

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25 in the evening when we still have a whole another ordinance to.

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To consider an amendment to this, but at this point I I would have to vote.

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No and but I would be happy to to address the um the parking at bike.

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Racks separately at a later date,.

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Thank you, councilman flaherty um yeah. I watched the transportation committee.

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Meetings and I believe the three gentlemen who spoke in favor of this amendment uh and who are still here all spoke in.

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Favor of it at the transportation committee meeting as well- and I think if I remember correctly, mr sven.

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Said something to the effect of uh sometimes.

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The designated motorcycle spots are are full, so if you are in a motorcycle and.

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You don't have a garage permit, but you want to park in a garage and you.

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Arrive and three permit holders are in the three designated spots or just.

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Anybody that it would be unfortunate and and.

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You could you could imagine the frustration of a of a.

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Motorcycle or moped uh user to arrive at a garage only to have many.

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Empty spaces, perhaps on the top floor you know on a flat surface or.

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Perhaps there are motorcycles with the type of kickstand that the angle of the.

H

Parking is not a problem, I don't know, I don't know enough, uh but I think that they were voicing um a concern that we are going to say you.

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Can only park in these designated spots, but those aren't always available and.

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There's no way to really guarantee that, and uh so I wonder you know, I know you've already taken public comment, but.

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um Since this issue kind of wasn't, this particular wrinkle wasn't brought up.

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Until after public comment, I wonder if, if um president obama would consider.

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Entertaining um comment from mr sven, who I see has raised his hand. Well, we've already set that precedent.

B

Tonight so I I'm forced to say yes.

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If there's no strong objection.

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All right, mr sven, if you would uh speak, thank you yeah I'll, keep it brief.

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But yeah I um I just find it hard to believe that there's only five or six motorcycles ever in the parking garage.

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I've shared the the one space that is on the square.

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The single space I've shared that with multiple motorcycles more than once, so I would just like to see more spots.

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In general and it'd be cool if they were in the parking garage.

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And I think I think, if motorcycles were encouraged a little bit more by having.

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Spots like there are no spots, so no one knows that they can park downtown. So I.

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Think if we encourage motorcycles by providing few more spots, I think they.

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Would be filled up and I think motorcycles are.

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Part of like an overall solution to like climate change and all that, because they.

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Require less resources to make them and that they use and they take up less.

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Parking spots um and they even kind of look cool, if you think of.

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Europe, like all the motorcycles on the on the uh on the sidewalk, so.

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I know this is a parking garage, but I would just like to encourage multiple.

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Spots and I think that they would get used if they were created.

O

Thanks. Thank you. Okay, we're now getting into second round comments from the.

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Public and I'm a little reluctant to encourage this week we're going very late. um I will allow the public comment if.

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It's very brief.

B

All right, please, let's go to the next one, another member of the public greg.

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Alexander, who should be uh unmuted now hi greg alexander here, just wanted to.

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Share the trivia, because I've spent a lot of time in parking garages on a bicycle counting cars. Obviously there is on most in most of.

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The garages there is a flat spot here and there even outside.

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Of the first floor, um due to the shape of the garage just being no thanks, thank you. Anybody else, mr lucas.

C

No, I don't believe so. Okay um can we also sorry sorry.

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Joe neucom has his hand raised. Oh I'm sorry, I.

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Thank you not that I'm objecting to further public comment.

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But when we did open up um additional public comment, it.

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It was for a new person who hadn't spoken before.

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um So I just thought I'd say that you're you're correct about that and I regret.

B

uh This a departure from procedure, but I will allow mr noiko to speak.

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Very briefly, uh yeah, thank you uh just to clarify so the amendment as written.

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Removes the finable offense of a motorcycle parking in a car spot.

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uh The original or the the original amendment has it that if.

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A motorcycle parked in a car spot. It is a finable offense. The amendment removes.

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That fine, that's that's all. I wanted to say.

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Thank you very much. I'd like to go to staff.

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Sorry, we have one more uh member who's indicated over chat.

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uh Michael waterford should be ready to go.

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All right, mr waterford, make it brief uh sorry to delay you, but I just wanted.

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To say just like bicyclists, it just looked like what sam was saying.

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um The benefits of this type of transportation are hidden in plain sight,.

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And the fuel efficiency, reducing traffic congestion, cheaper uh barriers of entry cheaper to operate.

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Cheaper to park uh promotes efficient land use and all these.

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Wonderful things need to be considered um because really it's just like bicycle.

P

Infrastructure are we gonna, promote better behaviors, or are we going to.

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Weed it out, that's that's all. I have to say thank.

B

You um can we go back to staff, uh is.

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uh Is wall or miss cox available to.

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Comment so I'm going to speak, miss cox. This is.

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um Director wall um she keeps on getting muted. So if.

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Somebody can unmute her, so she can have a a part in this. I would say: lucas: can you unmute miss cox.

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I can ask her to unmute herself she's a co-host. She should be in control of her.

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Own audio, she tried and she keeps on getting muted.

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Back I'm here, I heard her okay, great thanks.

R

Go ahead, ryan! Well, my concern is motorcycles. Are.

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Parking at bike racks because they don't want to pay to park in a parking space. It takes up spaces that are created for bicycles,.

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That's what the city is promoting or bicycle traffic.

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So, and also most of our bicycle corrals are on the sidewalk so that.

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Means a motorcycle is going to have to run down the sidewalk to get to these.

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Corrals, so that's public safety.

R

Thank you, and this is michelle and we donate bike racks for bikes. We.

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Have said that you know the new the scooters can park.

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In certain areas in the city, and why don't we do it for.

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Motorcycles, that's that's just my take on it. They.

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Have designated parking areas we're telling them where they can park.

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We should be able to do in our garages.

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Yes, I agree, I have a quick question: are they they're parking for free in the.

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Garage or they're paying to park in a motor and a motorcycle space in the garage there's no motorcycle space currently in.

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The facility designated you would provide a free.

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Space or a paid space a paid space, they would pay like anyone.

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Else um oftentimes you'll see in the city.

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Where there's three or four motorcycles in one um metered space, which is fine, we're? Okay, with that, as long as that, meter's.

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Paid we're fine with that and it's doable.

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But to have a motorcycle park if a motor cycle parked, where you see scooters in.

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The city park that would be problematic no different than it's.

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Problematic in a bicycle rack, but just to make sure I fully understand.

B

The question this ordinance uh removes uh prohibition from parking.

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In a car space in a garage, but it does.

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Prohibit a motorcycle from parking at a bike space is that right at a bike, rack correct. It gives you.

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Designated spaces and a garage to park, but it prohibits.

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Parking at bike racks, correct, which we do not have any type of.

F

Citation understood, thank you. I think I finally understand.

B

The question great any other questions before we go to.

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Councilmember piedmont, smith,.

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Well, I don't have a question, but we can go to comment. I'm ready to go.

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I have a amendment to the amendment. I'm really sorry is it.

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A scrivener's error, no okay! It is.

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Section d, where it says no person shall park a motorcycle or moped.

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In oh, yes, mr lucas has done a wonderful job and has already.

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Amended what I wanted to amend. So if you look.

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Down at section d, it is no longer crossed out so.

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I I want to give um class a and b motor driven cycles, the opportunity to.

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Park at bike racks, because I understand that.

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um They could just be easily carted off if they're not attached to something and.

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We want to encourage these very fuel-efficient vehicles.

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um But uh I do not want to strike the language.

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About the specific part or specific spaces in a parking garage.

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Where class, a and b and full-on motorcycles can park.

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Because of safety concerns, if it's a matter of.

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Hey there are too few parking places for motor motorcycles in the garages. Then.

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Let's make more of them, but I still think there should be in.

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Designated spaces because of the safety concerns that ms.

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Wall outlined so this is, um I think that.

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I'm I'm very very sorry to my colleagues, but I.

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I think that this this we would have to vote on the amendment to the amendment.

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And then vote on the amendment. I also believe I don't know if accounts.

C

Member piedmont smith wants to leave in the term moped here in this. In this.

C

Section but I believe, since we've uh added references to class a and class.

C

B, motor driven cycles, that term should be.

C

Changed as well, yes, thank you very much, mr lucas. You are quite right.

B

Okay, that's the amendment. Is there a second.

B

For a council republic, we have a second all right.

B

uh There are questions for the secondary amendment.

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uh Councilman flaherty uh yeah. I wish I feel like that exchange.

H

Sadly, did not get to the root of the question, which is: are there safe ways for motorcycles to park?.

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In spaces that are not their designated spaces.

H

Greg alexander mentioned specific spaces that are flat in that.

H

That would not be designated spaces. There would be car spaces on the second third fourth floor of the garage that would be flat and safe for a motorcycle or moped. But my I'd really like to know further um are.

H

There spaces that are on the ramp in the garage in which some types of motorcycles or mopeds can park safely.

H

Because if the answer is yes, that, combined with the information from mr alexander suggests to me that it's, it's really unfair. To tell a motorcycle hey if these three spots that we.

H

Designated for you are already taken, uh you know you can't park in this.

H

Garage at all, without being fined, uh so that's the heart of the issue.

H

About this amendment, to the amendment and what I'm trying to get answered and.

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I guess the question is for staff, you know and the members the public if.

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They comment on this, um so staff can comment on their.

H

Knowledge very specifically about whether there are any spaces in a parking garage uh in which a motorcycle or moped can.

H

Safely park, um I would appreciate it. Thank you.

F

Of course there are- and this is michelle thanks matt for your question-.

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um Of course, there's other areas on other floors where they can safely park.

F

Like you said, as mr alexander pointed out, however, if we find that we do not have a significant amount of spaces for.

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Motorcycles and the demand is higher than what my parking manager has.

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Observed we'll make more, I mean we can always add.

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More, I can take a space out of a space out and make more.

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And determine just to make sure that they are safe and they're on the entry.

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They need to be seen, and people need to know that um in.

F

Other garages and other universities I've been at, we didn't, have parking. We didn't allow motorcycles to park in the interior.

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Spaces of the garage for safety issues: that's why this actually got brought up.

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We had them at the beginning where they didn't even have an entry.

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Gate so there was no no um no near misses.

F

With the gates going up and going down, they had a specified designated space. If.

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We find that this population is growing, which I do support for sustainability. We.

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Will add more spaces and we will add more safe spaces where.

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They can park and they're visible. Thank you appreciate.

H

That you're welcome. You bet further questions on the.

B

Secondary amendment to amendment six, does everyone understand the question.

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Second call all right: let's go to the public.

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And actually, could we have the amendment put back on the screen.

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Just for reference, if anybody wants to speak to the secondary amendment, to.

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Amendment six, please raise your hand or speak into the.

B

C

So um sorry, just take me a second to manage all these things.

C

um We've got uh joseph uh who should be mr noecom, you can speak.

B

But just so we know there's going to be one opportunity to speak at this point, so go ahead. Okay, yeah.

N

So, um to basically cover the.

N

The thought of making a area safer for uh motorcyclists, uh I completely.

N

Disagree with that, as motorcyclists work, we kind of get this innate sense of what is the safest thing.

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For us, especially when we're after dealing with cars and when it comes to.

N

Flat spaces within parking garages, the slopes in all of the parking garages are.

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Not steep enough to be a detrimental aspect of parking.

N

Our motorcycles on the kickstands, when you have the center of gravity over both.

N

The two tires and the kickstand it is supported very securely even on moderate.

N

To fairly extreme slopes, thank you.

B

Thank you further public comment on the secondary amendment to amendment 6.

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C

uh Yes, just give me a moment.

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Michael should be unmuted and ready to comment. I would agree.

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uh With mr knight, your full name state your full name, please.

P

Michael waterford is my full name, and I would agree with mr nikem's.

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uh Comments that uh the slopes are not a detriment to parking.

P

Thank you. Thank you. Any further public comment.

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Please raise your hand and zoom or type into the chat.

B

Mr lucas, any takers.

C

Not that I see okay last call for public comment on the secondary amendment to.

B

Amendment 6., seeing none we'll come back to the.

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Council for for the questions or final comment.

B

Councilmember. Thank you. um I appreciate council member piedmont.

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Smith's amendment to the amendment, even though it's late thank you for.

G

Doing that um I agree that that motorcycles are.

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More environmentally sensitive than cars, uh most cars are.

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And I believe we need to incentivize their use. I don't at all object.

G

To creating more spaces earmarked for motorcycles in our garages, where that's.

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Appropriate and I really do trust our staff to.

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Assess the safety of those spaces in the overall flow, so for that reason.

G

This amendment to the amendment took care of that concern for you, so I.

G

Appreciate that, but thank you, council member pete, not.

G

B

Further comment on the secondary amendment to amendment six.

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Seeing none call for a vote on the secondary amendment.

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Council member sandberg, yes.

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Rolo, yes, scandalory, yes, sims.

E

B

Abstain, piedmont, smith, yes, flaherty. Oh.

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B

That's a 6-1-1 that a secondary amendment carries.

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We now come back to amendment 6 as amended. Are there any further.

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Questions on amendment 6 as amended all right.

B

We go now to the public for comments on amendment 6, as amended.

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Here's another chance.

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Please raise your hand in zoom or to type into the chat.

C

We have uh joseph uh who should be unmuted and ready to.

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Comment, please go ahead! uh Apologies if I'm not following this.

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Correctly so now the amendment as written will make it.

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A finable offense for a motorcycle to park in a.

N

Non-Motorcycle spot. uh That is something that I definitely do not support.

N

I think that is a very bad decision. Thank you. Thank you.

B

For the public comment.

C

Yes, we've got uh sam again, who would like to.

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Comment and should be ready to do so, we'll need to hear the whole.

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The full name yep uh samuel welch, send here.

O

Thank you. I pretty much agree with everything joseph nikem says.

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um But also I'm just curious about what would be the process or the timeline.

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For adding more spaces, if how would we figure out that there is a demand for.

O

More spaces and what would be that process? That's.

B

All thank you. Thank you. Further public comment on amendment 6 as amended.

C

uh Next up, we've got uh greg alexander hi. uh This is great. Oh sorry, uh this is.

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Greg alexander, just uh I'm disappointed that you wouldn't listen to motorcyclists about what's safe for motorcyclists, um that's just such a no-brainer that happens to bicyclists all the time.

L

Nobody ever listens to us about what's safe for us, you just make stuff up.

L

Thanks. Thank you. Any further public comment.

B

B

Anybody all right, I'm going to call it. Let's now come back to the council for.

B

Amendment 6, as amended final comment: is there any debate on.

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This amendment, as amended.

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Last call seeing none. What's that president, please go ahead.

H

uh Yeah I just wanted well, obviously, I'm disappointed in the.

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Amendment as amended since I voted against the change, but uh I wanted to.

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Take this opportunity to speak to the issue it creates, and I.

H

Appreciate miss wahl, saying um that they would gladly add more.

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Motorcycle spaces, if demand exceeds supply, um since what they're now restricted to only those spots.

H

uh I I would just hope that we can not just use.

H

You know permitted spots or permitted demand.

H

As as that metric, uh because there's plenty of folks who park in garages that.

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Don't have permits so like uh to the three motorcyclists who are on.

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The meeting right now or anybody else watching um please please do reach out to me specifically if, if it's an issue.

H

You know and garage is going forward just so that we can be sure that we're.

H

uh You know increasing the volume of spaces if, if demand.

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uh Suggests that we should uh so I'm glad to have that.

H

uh Discussion, even if I'm disappointed in the result, thank you.

H

Thank you further comment from members on amendment six, as amended.

B

Council, member smith, can I just ask a question of staff.

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You can miss wall. How would if an individual.

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Had come upon, a motorcyclist come to the parking and there were no.

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Spots available.

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Is there any way, then they can park in a regular spot and not.

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Be ticketed, or is that is it do they need to.

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I don't know what what what needs to happen there.

F

So, thank you, council, member smith. um Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate that.

F

What would happen is probably they would ask for. Probably one of my garage.

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Staff um where they could park, and they would probably just say if there's not.

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Enough spaces: this is where we're gonna direct people to park, and then they would call me and tell me today we're overflowing with motorcycles. If that is the case,.

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um Understanding from him and relying on his knowledge.

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And a parking garage manager for five years.

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That you know if, if it gets, if it gets over, if it's oversold for any reason.

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He's going to, let me know that, and I I would like to also address.

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The timeline issue um in this question, as well as you know,.

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If, if we put five spots in there and three to five spots in there, and it's.

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Full um then we'll have to you know.

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Add more spots, we're not we're not going to.

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Say no way we're not going to add any more spots. We can make spots available.

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And most likely what would happen since my.

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Staff writes the citations in the garages.

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We would probably give first time warnings.

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We would not penalize the person just say: you're parked outside.

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The um area and we'd give warnings and let them know there are. There is.

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Designated parking spaces in the garage because they're not going to know.

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Because there's never been dead designated spaces in the garage.

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We're going to have to educate them and we're.

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We're more than happy to give the warnings you know.

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To those individuals that have never received a citation before we're going.

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To be um we're going to be generous with this.

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As it is, it would be new, but there there would be.

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At no time, if someone told me that we needed more spaces, we would not.

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Accommodate those spaces, thank you. Thank you. Miss wall. I just I.

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Just thought I'd make sure. I asked that out loud because.

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The points that the the gentlemen who uh are riding motorcycles in are.

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Commenting tonight I mean I don't really want to penalize them and.

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Nor do you for parking in the garage. You know if.

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If there's more uh motorcycles than motorcycle spaces, so it sounds like you.

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Have an avenue and have thought this out. So if.

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They reach out to you. I think uh we can work this out.

F

Absolutely thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you.

B

Any other final comment on amendment six, as.

B

B

Seeing none will the clerk, please call the rule on amendment 6 as amended.

E

That's the member flaherty.

H

I'm I'm sorry, sir, did you have a comment? I'm sorry go ahead.

H

Yes, sorry, I know it's very late only to say that by suggesting the gentleman.

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Contacted me I didn't mean to subvert a chain of command or insult miss and with.

H

All so I hope that was not uh interpreted that way I just meant. I.

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Want to make sure we're following up on it and and I'm confident staff will be doing that as well. So I just wanted to clarify.

H

Thanks absolutely matt, no, no problem. Thank you.

F

Council, thank you well clerk. Mcdowell. Please call the role.

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Council, member, yes scandalory.

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Yes, sims, yes,.

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Yes, piedmont, smith,.

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Yes, flaherty, yes, smith,.

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Yes and sandberg: yes, that amendment passes eight zero. We now.

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Come back to ordinance, I lost track of it 2012 as amended.

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Is there are there any questions on ordinance, 2012 as a whole, as amended.

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We now go to public comment on ordinance, 2012 as a whole.

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There anyone who like to speak to the entirety.

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Of this ordinance, as it has been changed, please let mr lucas know by raising your.

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Hand and zoom or typing into the chat.

B

First call second call for comment on ordinance.

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2012, as amended in its entirety,.

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Final call, please type your type into the chat or raise hand and zoom.

B

Seeing no public comment, we come back to the council for debate. Is there any final comment on ordinance 2012 as amended.

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Going once going twice checking to make sure I catch customer.

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Flaherty uh will the clerk please call the roll.

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On ordinance 2012 as amended council numbers gambellary.

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Sims, yes,.

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Yes, piedmont; smith; yes, clarity! Yes, smith!.

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Yes, sandberg, yes and rolo. Yes,.

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Ordinance 2012 passes 8-0. Thank you very much.

B

um It is past 10 30.. Is there anyone who wants to make a motion.

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As to whether or not to introduce the next item.

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Mr president, councilmember piedmont, smith.

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um Because we're doing all introductions as roll call votes, I think.

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I could just make a motion to uh have the clerk introduce and read.

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Ordinance 2014 by title and synopsis only and then we.

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Can vote on it point of order, uh mr lucas, if the council refuses to.

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Introduce legislation, does that kill it or can it be postponed.

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In other words, the 10 30 rule vote, I think, is different than voting to.

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Introduce so the the council, uh under our local.

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Code, um if it would like to introduce.

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uh An item for council action after 10 30.

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uh Requires a two-thirds vote. um I would suggest if the council doesn't.

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Intend to consider this item tonight a motion to postpone.

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uh Would be in order.

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And I at the moment this may be premature, but I don't believe there are.

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Any items scheduled for action on august 26th.

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So that's one possibility: that's not a suggestion, one way or the other, but.

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A two-thirds vote would be required to introduce an act on this.

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uh At this time tonight,.

B

Okay, miss piedmont, smith, go ahead.

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Oh, I thought I already did what I was shooting smith's motion to.

H

Introduce okay: we have a motion in a second.

B

Will the clerk please call the role on the motion to introduce.

B

Ordinance 2014, a two-thirds vote would be required.

B

To hear it tonight, council, member sims, you're, muted, sir.

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Thank you. Yes, vol.

B

Yes, piedmont, smith, yes, flaherty! Yes,.

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Yes, sandberg, yes, rollo.

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Yes, scan blurry, yes, wow all right will the clerk please read.

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My title and synopsis ordinance 20-14 an ordinance to amend.

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Title 15 of the bloomington municipal code entitled vehicles and traffic regarding reflecting a proposed redesign of 7th.

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Street as the 7 line, the synopsis is.

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This ordinance amends title 15 vehicles and traffic of the bloomington municipal.

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Code to accommodate the design and eventual.

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Construction of the seven line project located along 7th street by making.

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Various parking and intersection changes along the project's route.

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Thank you, mr president. I move that ordinance 2014.

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Be adopted bacon. uh The motion has passed.

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I think beth rosenberger is here to present, along with neil copper.

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Ms rosenberger, the floor is yours or the screen rather.

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Is yours all right? Thank you. My voice is a tiny bit tired, but I'm.

S

Great, um this is beth rosenberger. The planning.

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Services manager, the city of bloomington and I'm getting.

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Used to presenting this at 11 p.m. So uh let me pull my screen up.

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One second, mainly, I am going to try to do an abbreviated.

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Version- and I hope.

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That um you all will council members can, let me know if they.

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Have questions because I have plenty of information.

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But I presented a full presentation of this project to the transportation.

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Committee, I think that was last week and.

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I plan to address questions that council members have asked, but.

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If there's any need for more information, I can get into more details.

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So tonight the main requests we are making.

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Are basically the changes, the detailed changes.

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To title 15 that are required um and are part of the design of the title.

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I'm sorry the seven line project- and these are really the key.

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Design, components of it basically requesting to remove parking spaces.

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Along the street, which is 113 metered spaces, requesting to remove.

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Those and requesting to remove 13 zone spaces.

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We're requesting to modify several stop intersections.

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And each of those are listed, I'm not going to read them and there are some.

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Other related code changes detailed in the ordinance.

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The reason this is important is this is a trade-off.

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We cannot have the two-way protected bike lane and.

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The on-street parking so at this point we're asking for.

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Approval for these changes that would take effect.

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About a year from now, when the project would be constructed.

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So that's why we want to have this conversation now.

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And see if we can get approval. In addition, this project has been.

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Seen by a number of groups, so you all council members may remember that it was.

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Part of the bicentennial bond package in 2018.. It was of course conceptual at.

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That time and we did not know all the changes, it has been reviewed by the bicycle and pedestrian safety commission.

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The traffic commission and the parking commission.

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There was a public meeting held on june 18th.

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2020, a virtual public meeting, of course. Obviously, we've discussed.

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Just questions at a council work session and this has been presented and reviewed.

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By the council transportation committee, so the corridor we're talking.

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About is 7th street in bloomington from the bee.

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Line trail to woodlawn avenue, this project is recommended as a high.

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Priority project for phase one to be implemented within.

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One to three years in our recently adopted transportation.

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Plan so hooray for us for moving forward.

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With plans that we've adopted, so this is an image just a google street.

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View of 7th street, as it is right now from this vantage point.

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You are on seventh, looking east and you're at the intersection.

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With walnut- and I want you to just think about.

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If you were to be riding a bicycle here, would you want to be.

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Does that feel comfortable, and what is that.

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What is that like? This is another image of.

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Existing on 7th street at the intersection with dunn.

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Also facing east, if you look pretty far down.

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Seventh is closed, ignore that it doesn't matter for this.

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If you were bicycling right here in this space,.

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And heading east, you would need to take the lane, and that means.

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A person should feel comfortable or hopefully feel comfortable.

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Behaving as if they're a car and drive biking down the middle of a lane,.

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That's the safest space, because if you go too far to the right, as you can see,.

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Up ahead, you'll be close to parked cars and being close to a parked car. There's.

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A danger of being doored since we've been presenting this project.

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I have heard from three people that they have been doored on the street.

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Actually and then, if we continue moving farther.

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East as we get to campus, this is now facing west.

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But if you were, if you were braving this and biking down here,.

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Now you see, we have these interactions with transit. Of course,.

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It is a high transit corridor and the bus is pulling over into the bicycle.

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Lane it makes sense that the bus pulls over because they need to access pedestrians on the curb and that.

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Makes more sense for loading and is safer, but if you were a person using the bicycle lane at this point, you need to.

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Get back into the street and hopefully you had a safe interaction.

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With the bus, as they were, pulling over into that bike, lane.

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So what this I just wanted to take a look at what it's like existing to think.

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About who will use this space as it is designed currently, and why do.

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We need to do something different here. These are the bicyclists who would be.

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Comfortable using 7th street, as is designed, maybe you're.

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Familiar with the cutters we're, basically, we.

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Usually consider them the top 1 to 5 of bicyclists.

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They are predominantly younger white men who feel comfortable rubbing elbows with.

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Motor vehicles and kind of jockeying down the street that's great that they feel comfortable doing that, but most people don't.

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So when we reflect back on our adopted goals of the comprehensive plan.

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These are all related to increased sustainability of the transportation.

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System to improve public transit and goal 6.3 improve the bicycle and.

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Pedestrian network, we know who are improving the bicycle.

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And pedestrian network we are going to be accommodating more.

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People than just these types of writers here, additionally.

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We state to prioritize non-automotive modes.

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And to protect neighborhood streets and if we.

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Move toward these goals and think about redesigning the street.

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The users we want to accommodate fall into this group.

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On the left of your screen, they're commonly called the interested, but.

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Concerned bicyclists: these are people who will.

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Bike only on the b line in bloomington or clear creek trail or jackson, creek.

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Trail or on the trail, trial and cascades.

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But biking next to moving motor vehicle traffic.

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Is just um not going to fly for this group of people, and it makes.

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Sense, that's pretty rational, there's a big difference. There.

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So when we talk about these the interested but concerned group.

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People who are comfortable on the b line we are talking about.

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Parents biking with children. These are not images from bloomington. I borrowed.

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Them from the internet, just as a side note, we were talking.

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About parents who would bike with their kids on the bee line, who would bike with.

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Their kids, when they're separated from traffic, we're talking about kids bicycling and where kids can feel safe, bicycling.

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And we're also talking about people biking to work.

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That you don't want to be racing down a street. You need some comfortable space.

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And to feel safe doing that, so what that means to accommodate that.

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User group is physical separation, and this is just.

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An example cross section- and this is also what we're proposing.

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For seventh street, but not to scale so from the left, we.

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Have a sidewalk, you have separation between the sidewalk.

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And the bike lane that can include benches or street trees or wider.

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Sidewalk anything, but the distinction has been a.

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Curb and then we have a bike lane another curb that separates the.

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Bicyclist from moving traffic within that street buffer, you can have.

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Trees and we can have bus stops, which we do in.

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The proposal and then you have moving traffic and.

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Each mode is separated, so this is.

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The same intersection we were looking at at the beginning.

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With the proposal so now you're standing in 7th street.

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You're looking east at walnut, you know you can see the.

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Garage over on your left, but now you can see the space where you would be.

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Bicycling, it's separated with a median.

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And street trees it has bump outs at the intersection.

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To calm traffic and to make that easier and safer to navigate.

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For a range of users and the same, this is us looking from the intersection.

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Of woodlawn facing west down 7th.

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And on the left, where we saw the bus pulled over in the bike lane.

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What you see in this rendering is a floating bus.

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Island so by pedestrians would be on the sidewalk. They have raised crossings to.

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Go over to the bus island and then the bus island is right. There.

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Next to traffic for easy and fast bus boarding and a lighting.

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This corridor has a lot of transit use and.

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Ridership during non-covered times, they're on the south side of the street.

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Are four bus stops? Currently, I'm sorry, there are four bus routes on.

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The corridor 10 bus stops and four bus stops are on the south side.

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Of the street there are usually almost 300 bus trips a day and they carry 3 400.

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Passengers per day there are about 5 to ten minor collisions each year with.

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Buses and those are buses where their side.

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Mirrors hit parked cars. Our proposal.

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Includes combining two of the bus stops on the south side, so there will be three.

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Bus stops total we've worked with bloomington transit on.

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That and they are on board.

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So just a couple examples and I don't plan to go through the whole project.

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Although I'm happy to do so, if you all want that.

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It was in the packet and we've done it at a few meetings.

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But again so this is the block from walnut.

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To washington, street and you'll see along the bottom, this is on the south.

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Side of the street a two-way protected bike lane you see a.

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Raised separated median and then the gray area.

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Is a floating bus island again there are three.

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Included each of them is slightly different, based.

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On where they're located and ridership so the one near woodlawn.

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Is larger in order to accommodate two buses.

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And in order to accommodate the high level of ridership.

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That we see at that stop and then this is another example of the.

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Bus island, with the overview at the intersection of woodlawn.

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And 7th the facility at this time ends woodlawn and bicyclists.

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Transition back to the other sides of the street.

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Additionally, with these bus stops, there are big differences with these compared.

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With what's on third street, where we have bus island and that there are basically speed bumps for bicyclists and.

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Slightly raised crossings for the pedestrians.

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The island is much bigger and easier to navigate.

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And helps for loading two buses at one time.

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Along the entire corridor, the bike lane width.

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Varies 10 feet is about the minimum, so it's so that you have five feet in.

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Each direction so in terms of parking there are.

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Currently, 121 metered spaces on the street. We are.

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Requesting to remove 113 metered spaces.

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In 2019, those 121 meters generated 160 000 in revenue.

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Based on 121 meters for one year, the total amount of revenue possible.

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Would have been 462 thousand dollars.

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And uh and 462. I said it wrong. Sorry, it's 11 p.m.

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And that is based on 121 meters, six days per week, 13 hours per day and.

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49 weeks in the year, that's making it a little conservative.

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And generous, based on city, holidays and times that meters are out.

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Or broken so that represents the amount of revenue.

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They generated out of that possible. Total is 35.

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Of possible revenue, a caveat is in 2019, the combo zone was still in effect.

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Until august and it included 55 of the meters.

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The data is not perfect, but it is an approximation.

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Councilmember volun had asked for more data on the combo zone meters.

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And parking services director michelle wall put that together for us. Thank you.

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Which was that we compared 2018 five month totals.

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For the combo zone, meters and 2019 totals and the difference is.

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Four thousand four hundred dollars in terms of.

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Over the five months, what they generated when it.

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When the combo zone was removed,.

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And then just to add in again it's 113 metered spaces and.

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13 zone spaces um on dunn street there we are adding 11 metered spaces.

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And 33 zone spaces that was already done through that has already been.

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Changed in the title 15, but it has not been added to.

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The street yet.

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And so finally, the other request, in addition to the parking question.

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Was about stop signs along the corridor and we talked about it in the memo.

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And the plan, but the request is to remove.

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Most east west stop signs, except at the intersection of the b line and.

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Seventh, at the other intersection seventh street.

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Carries more traffic than any of the cross streets where.

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We're where we are proposing to remove the stop signs.

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Which is sometimes surprising, we were surprised by some of those numbers.

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At the b line and seventh, the numbers are about.

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Even in terms of how much traffic is carried.

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On both facilities um on seventh straight and on the b.

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Line currently at the beeline at this intersection.

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All bee line trail users are required to stop.

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To fully stop and that people driving are not required legally.

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To yield, if you've been in that space and have witnessed this you'll know that.

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Most often people driving do yield and tend to wave on people.

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On the b line, so one reason we're requesting.

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That change is kind of about current behaviors.

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But additionally, this is a transition point where it's, the western edge of the.

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Project right now and this bike facility will go from.

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Being on one side of the street to where people will need to maneuver.

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And go continuing west move back to the north.

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Side of the street- and I think the logic is having motor.

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Vehicles stop will help make that transition much.

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Safer for for users and.

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That's all I put together, but I have more and also.

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Neil copper, our interim transportation engineer. I'm sorry! What's.

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The real title, traffic and transportation city engineer is on the call too.

B

Okay, does that conclude your presentation.

S

It does I have plenty more slides if you want more.

B

Well, let's see what appetite my colleagues have for more slides.

B

Are there any questions uh for ms rosenberger or mr copper about.

B

The proposal um I need to scroll because the share.

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Screen is on just as a reminder right. This was heard.

C

At the transportation committee- and uh I believe there was a report.

C

Including I'm sorry, that's right. Yes can we get a report from a committee.

B

Member, I think councilman people smith.

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um Okay, I need to open it up here.

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So we just took one meeting of the committee last wednesday to discuss this.

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uh Ordinance and.

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uh We reviewed you know that it was funded by park bonds.

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um And it's uh between the b-line and and woodlawn.

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There are many goals in the comprehensive plan that are uh supported.

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Through this change on 7th street, I think the.

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Whereas clauses outlined several of those.

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And we voted to approve by a vote of 400.

B

Okay, are there questions for ordinance 2014 from members.

B

Customer risk and blurry. Thank you. um First of all, I'm very much in favor of.

G

This and I think it's an exciting project.

G

I do have a question just particularly for the benefit of the public.

G

You mentioned that we would be looking at a loss of.

G

We would not collect 462, 000 and change from giving up. The meters is.

G

S

Hi, there's that I'll clarify that one I was stating that is their potential.

S

Collection amount, sorry and that they did collect 160 000.

S

Yes, okay, got it and does staff have any further comments.

G

On the implications of that money not coming in, is there anything you want us to consider from staff's point of view.

G

F

This is michelle wall parking service director.

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It concerns me I I can't lie 160 000 losing it. I support the project in its.

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Entirety, but um when it comes to losing 160 000.

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Annually that it, that is, a hit for parking.

F

Services, so I appreciate that question council member scoville. Thank you.

G

And there are no solutions, there are only trade-offs, so.

G

Thank you. That's it further questions from members.

B

On ordinance, 2014 are there further questions.

B

Going once twice time for public comment on ordnance.

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2014. is there anyone who would like to speak to the proposal? Please state your name. You'll have five minutes.

B

Mr lucas, do we have anybody, yes, uh greg alexander.

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Who should now be ready to comment? Please go ahead, sir.

L

Hi um greg alexander here uh this project is awesome.

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um What I've seen over the last couple decades really.

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Is that we've built a bunch of side paths, um shared use, side paths.

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uh For bicycles, ostensibly and there's a bunch of engineering.

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Guidelines, our own uh growth policies plan said that you should only do that if there's fewer than I think 10.

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uh Driveway or intersection crossings per mile and.

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The ashtow guide to development of bicycle facilities said.

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20 years ago, it said just don't do side paths, because you can't do a good job at.

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Intersections uh now it says you can do it, but you have to be really careful at intersections.

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uh Nakto has a guide, that's called um don't give up at the intersection.

L

Like that's, how big a problem of side paths that that just give up at the.

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Intersection are, and that's really, we've ignored. All of that.

L

Guidance um systematically every side path. We have is a complete disaster at almost every intersection and almost every driveway crossing, and it's it's terrifying. It makes them.

L

Really unsafe, but this project is the opposite of that.

L

Pattern of failure, um every single intersection in this.

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Project is meticulously designed. uh There are flaws, there are trade-offs.

L

There are, there are challenges, but it is amazing to see uh that we are.

L

Finally, embracing the idea that we should engineer intersections so that bicycles can have safe passage.

L

Thank you so much. Thank you further comment from the.

B

Public on ordinance, 2014, please raise your hand and zoom or type.

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B

Second call for public comment and ordinance.

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Mr lucas you'll flag me down. If you see anybody final call.

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For public comment on ordinance, 2014.

B

All right, seeing none we'll come back to the council for debate. Is there any.

B

Final comment on ordinance 2014 or are there.

B

Further questions.

B

Councilmember piedmont, smith. Well, I just want to thank.

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uh Staff members, beth rosenberger and neil copper.

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For staying up late with us and for all their work.

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On this project, I think it's a great project. It's very exciting.

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For I think, it'll be very convenient for a lot of people who live.

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uh Downtown or the near west side to get to campus.

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uh Hopefully they will leave those cars at home if they have cars.

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And uh won't miss the parking so much as be.

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Appreciative of the ease of bicycling.

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I personally use this route all the time when I still.

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Actually went to an office instead of just down the hall.

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um So I think it's it's great um and I do uh there was a concern.

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Shared um at the transportation committee meeting about that last.

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um Intersection at woodlawn and 7th street and what the bicyclist is.

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Supposed to do at that point, um so you know there's.

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Still some things to work out and it's uh of course it would be ideal.

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If, um if the the bike lane could continue all.

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The way through campus, uh but hopefully we'll get there eventually.

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um So I'm happy to support this uh tonight. Thank you.

B

Thank you further comment from members on customer smith.

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On the transportation committee- and um it's just a great project that we.

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We looked at and uh talked with uh miss rosenberger and uh neo, copper and.

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It was uh it's an excellent project, so I think it'll be.

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A great compliment and a good uh improvement to that artery in.

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Bloomington and people will be able to ride their bikes with safety and.

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Move back and forth in that area so I'll be supporting this.

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Thank you. Thank you. Further comment from members on.

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Ordinance 2014 councilmember flaherty. uh Yes, uh I appreciate that this project.

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Is really upping the ante for our high comfort bike network? um You know we talk about transportation.

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Emissions which are rising in bloomington over the last.

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Seven years, as well as uh the fact that um they make up the.

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Largest share of emissions, greenhouse gas emissions of any sector in in our town 27, uh so we really need to move not just.

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Towards electric vehicles and a you know: greener energy grid, of course, but also to mode shift and reducing vehicle miles. Traveled and.

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And all the research you know says that you won't do that in the.

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Biking context: without high comfort facilities transit. You know we need to prioritize uh frequency and level of service. You.

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Know getting getting where you want to go quickly that sort of thing, but uh yes, this is really important.

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uh You know step forward and, and we need to see.

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You know more strategic connectors like this, that really create.

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A safe high comfort biking facility throughout the city uh and this first step on a good east west.

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Corridor is is great to see. uh I agree with customer feedback smith.

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That um you know- and this is termed phase one.

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The city you know has contemplated um my understanding.

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An east east of campus phase, two uh of something similar.

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And then, of course, there's a part that goes through campus and.

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uh I would be really excited to see iu indiana university commit to.

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uh Continuing this, which, I think would do you know even.

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Even more good for the community and for their student body.

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In meeting the goals that iu has articulated in many planning documents.

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About bicycle safety and about climate, um climate change,.

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Goals and emissions reductions, so I recall a conversation I had once with.

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Adam tease, who is in capital, planning and facilities at iu,.

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About protected bike lanes and- and um he seemed open to the idea, but he.

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He assured me that when they did it, uh whenever that time may come, when they.

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Install their first protected bike lane that it would be um very pretty that would be beautifully done.

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Like from a design standpoint was, it was his uh his point. They didn't want to do.

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Something that didn't look good in his opinion and I think the city of bloomington uh committing to.

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um A high quality project well designed like this.

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uh Helps to show that the city is, you know willing to commit to that, and I.

H

Hope iu can get on board as well, so I'll be supporting this um ordinance and.

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uh That's it for me thanks. Thank you. Other final comments on 2014.

B

If not I'll, take my crack about the only thing that I.

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Would like to have seen was uh I liked mr binder's airbound binders proposal.

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For the easternmost intersection, where it interfaces with uh in front of bernie pyle hall, the the.

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Hook where the people bikers going westbound.

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Cross with the crosswalk on the north side of the intersection then cross.

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On the west side of the intersection to get to, instead of just cutting across.

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The intersection I I thought that was a a better.

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Solution, a safer solution, uh I mean the best solution would be if iu.

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Were willing to uh cooperate and build uh the the bike boulevard continue. It.

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uh East of woodlawn uh they've already done it.

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uh When they took out 7th street to prevent buses from going past, the.

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Auditorium they've built a semi-protected bike lane already, so it's not like it's not in their real house, and it is very pretty.

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I must say it's a very pretty uh uh segment of street, so I think that.

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They're capable of doing it now, but having said that, otherwise, this is a.

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Fantastic development long in the making. uh This is truly.

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A full-throated contribution to bike infrastructure.

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That is really only rivaled by its uh namesake, the b-line.

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Which was more than just for bicycles, so I'm very excited about it. uh Any other.

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Comments, if not we'll take a vote, will the clerk.

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Please call the royal on ordinance, 2014. councilmember fallen.

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Yes, piedmont, smith, yes, flaherty! Yes, smith,.

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Yes, sandberg, yes, rolo, yes, scandalory.

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Yes and sims: yes,.

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That passes eight zero. Thank you to everyone for their patience.

B

uh I believe that's it for second readings and we have no first readings.

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uh So that, thank you that leaves us matters of uh a second.

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Public comment: is there anyone who would like to speak from the members? Remember the public who like to speak on an item that is not on.

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Tonight's agenda, please raise your hand and zoom or type.

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Into the chat mr lucas will call on you: is there anyone who would like to speak.

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On something that was not on tonight's agenda, this is a second chance for public comment. Open public comment.

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Mr lucas first call.

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Final call, if you want to speak on an item not on the agenda type into the.

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Chat or raise hand in zoom anybody, mr lucas.

C

No thank you. We go now to matters of uh council schedule. What do we have coming.

B

Ahead, mr lucas, the budget, um the departmental budget.

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Hearings will kick off uh monday of next week at 6, 00 pm.

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They will go through thursday. All four nights will.

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Be starting at 6 p.m, we'll be here on zoom.

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There's a different meeting link for each night.

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And for any members of the public that want to attend.

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You can find those links, they're posted on the council website and.

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The departments that will be presenting each night are also listed there.

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On our website and on the uh the notice and agenda that's been posted.

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So um budget books should be released by the end of the week. I know the.

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Administration administration's working hard to to get those put together, so uh council members should have the weekend to uh to.

C

Review those, mr lucas, can you tell us who's chairing.

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The committee to hold each night next week.

C

If you give me a moment, I can I I will other than that uh we have no business.

B

uh No first reading, so uh there is no.

B

Committee night uh on august 26th, our next regular session will be.

B

September, 2nd.

C

So councilmember piedmont smith is chairing the monday meeting, followed.

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By tuesday's councilmember rallo wednesday.

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Is council member rosenberger and thursday is council, member sandberg.

C

Very good, okay, you've been forewarned. uh Final question is: are there any.

B

Upcoming committee meetings that anybody wants to announce any.

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Constituent meetings that the like councilmember sam.

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Scan blurry and just confirming that there will be no meeting the evening of.

G

Wednesday, the 26th is that what you said there is no.

B

Nothing to refer to uh committee there there's uh no.

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Committee scheduled yeah. If, if the council would like to.

C

Cancel that meeting now might be a good opportunity to to make a motion in that regard. If it knows it doesn't, is there a meeting.

B

C

That's yes, that's a uh regulating me. We probably notice it for that. So, okay.

B

Then we need a motion to cancel the meeting.

G

I would like to so move. I would like to move that we cancel the committee.

G

Meetings planned for wednesday august 26th.

B

Second and second, um I'm not going to bother with a role.

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Called this all in favor, say aye aye, aye opposed, say: may.

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The eyes have it: we will have no meetings on the 26th.

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Okay, uh any other uh meetings to announce before.

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B

Without then, this meeting is adjourned. Thank you. Everyone for your patience.

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