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A
Is
the
lead
sponsor
on
this
legislation?
So
I
would
like
to
ask
you
to
present
the
legislation.
B
So
this
is
a
proposal
brought
forward
by
council
members,
rosenberger
flaherty
and
myself.
B
So
another
way
to
contextualize
this
is
the
the
idea
of
public
safety
and.
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
System
or
via
paper
application
forms-
and
I
have
talked
with
the
clerk
clerk
bolden
about
this.
B
B
B
To
return
to
the
clerk's
office,
so
we
would
have
to
do
some
additional
outreach.
I
think,
to.
B
B
B
B
B
The
commission,
but
we
do
not
expect
to
you,
know,
check
off.
Okay,
we
have
one
person
from.
B
This
demographic
one
person
from
that,
that's
not
the
the
vision
at
all.
These
are.
B
B
Well,
almost
a
year
now
so
here
I've
we
have
put
together
a
chart
that
compares
the
two.
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
So
here
I've
just
kind
of
lined
up
the
comparison.
A
focus
group
is
not
in
our
city
code
anywhere.
B
To
something
like
a
product
or
a
politician,
and
their
response
is
then
studied
to
determine.
B
So
it's
kind
of
a
discrete
amount
of
time
and
one
certain
objective
that
you're
trying
to
attain.
B
A
commission-
and
this
is
really
what
I
think
fits
best
with
our
goals
for
the
caps
commission.
B
B
B
B
To
council
member
jim
sims,
who
reminded
me
how
important
it
is
to
reach
out
to
the
naacp,
so
they.
B
Are
on
that
list?
I
did
talk
to
the
president
of
that
organization,
and
so
we
did,
we
did
try.
B
To
reach
out
to
many
advocates
for
the
the
people
that
we
hope
will
serve
on
this
commission.
B
So
I
do
want
to
before
I
read
the
conclusion
here.
B
I
did
want
to
mention
that
it
was
brought
to
our
attention.
B
A
E
We've
had
two
standing
committee
meetings
october,
28th
and
november.
The
12th.
E
But
in
these
meetings
there
was
much
robust
discussion.
I
I
will
add
that.
E
The
mayor,
the
board
of
public
safety
on
matters
of
public
safety,
it
goes
on
to
say.
E
E
E
Commission's
first
meeting,
so
it
was
approved
to
be
part
of
the
ordinance
2020
as
amended
moving.
E
E
E
E
A
Amendment
we
will
have
to
introduce
that
amendment,
but
I'd
rather
start
with.
F
Thank
you
for
the
presentation
council,
member
piedmont
smith.
I
wondered
if
you
could.
F
We've
discussed
a
little
bit
about
the
role
of
council
staff
and
what
that
might.
B
Well,
I
think
it's
it's
a
little
difficult
to
estimate.
I
think
at
first.
B
G
I
I
can
certainly
weigh
in
if
council
members
like
as
councilmember
piedmont
smith,
stated.
G
It's
it's
hard
to
estimate
not
only
because
the
scope
of
work
that
the
commission
may
take.
G
On
is
is
a
bit
of
an
unknown,
but
also
the
the
capacity
of
the
commission
members
themselves
to.
G
To
perform
research
and
and
do
any
writing
or
or
help
create
a
report.
I've
I've
noted
to
the.
G
The
peak
oil
task
force
the
affordable
living
committee,
the
urban
deer
task
force
and
has
helped.
G
Provide
both
research
and
administrative
support
to
those
groups
so,
to
the
extent
that
this.
G
G
Were
more
time
limited,
this
is
in
line
with
with
work
that
council
staff
has
done
in
the
past.
G
One
thing
I
did
note
to
to
the
the
sponsors
is
that,
unlike
those
groups,
this
is
this
is
a.
G
Commission
and
at
the
moment
doesn't
have
an
end
date
so,
depending
on
the
scope
of
work.
D
D
Support
through
volunteers,
potentially
through
the
iu
community-
and
I
know
in
previous
meetings.
D
Specifically
folks,
who
had
who
are
among
those
community
members
specifically
requesting.
D
And
others
have
posited
the
same
notion
that
that
potentially
through
research.
D
Groups
or
sort
of
research-based
community
intervention
intervention
based
coursework.
B
And
may
I
just
add
something
go
please.
I
also
wanted
to
point
out
that
we
have.
A
H
H
And
and
input
that
came
from
the
past
public
safety
committee
meetings.
A
Please
go
ahead,
mr
flaherty.
I
think,
because
a
lot
of
community
members
have
asked
for
it.
D
D
D
Least,
part
of
it
that
that's
in
reaching
out
to
community
members,
that's
what
a
lot
of
folks.
D
H
H
Recommending
well,
I
think,
certainly
there
would
be
some
consultation
and
we've
spoken
to
that.
D
D
Starting
point
so
yeah
I
mean
if
I
wish
this
had
been
brought
up
sooner.
Frankly,
that's
all.
E
I
do
have
a
question,
but
the
first
comment
is:
I
would
state
that
the
discussion
on.
E
E
In
my
discussions
last
week
as
well,
I
think
I
noted
about
22
social
service
organizations.
E
Populations
that
we
that
you're
discussing
this
evening,
I
do
remember
getting
a
letter.
I
I
E
To
gather
information
and
input
from
them
before
drafting
the
legislations
which.
B
Yeah,
I
would
say
that,
let's
see,
there
are
one
two
three.
B
There
are
12
on
the
list,
11
of
them
we
reached
out
to
before
we
wrote
the
ordinance
the
naacp.
B
I'm
I
apologize.
I
did
not
reach
out
to
them
until
after
we
had
a
draft,
so
I
do
apologize
for
that.
B
We,
when
writing
legislation.
I
think
it's
and
I
know
council,
member
sims,
you
know
this,
but.
B
It's
impossible
to
reach
out
to
everybody
who
maybe
has
a
view
on
or
an.
B
Out
to
you
said
there
were
22
agencies,
so
I
don't
know
I
mean
how
many
agencies
did
the
mayor.
B
B
B
E
I
could
continue
and
my
response,
if
there
is
such
a
response
as
part
of
this
question,
is.
E
E
The
beginning,
if
it
was
more
representative
of
advocates,
I
didn't
say,
organizations.
E
Population
and
if
some
of
them
are
not
contacted,
then
I
think
one
can
understand.
E
The
perception
in
the
community
that
there's
legislation
that
quote-unquote
may
affect
them.
E
Involved
which
they
weren't
at
the
beginning.
So
that
was
my
point
and
I
guess
I
would
ask
what.
B
B
D
A
E
That
were
tentatively
identified.
Am
I
incorrect
on
that
mystery,
matt
smith,.
B
Yeah,
those
are
just
examples
of
demographic
groups
that
have
been
underrepresented
in
making.
B
B
E
Oh,
I
know
it
was
an
unintentional
mission,
but
I
heard
no
mention
or
saw
no
mention.
E
B
Says
minority
groups,
so
any
of
those
other
non-white
groups
would
certainly
be
included.
Yes,.
B
And
as
you
say,
perhaps
this
was
an
oversight
on
our
part.
B
And
it
would
have
been
I
I
would
have
loved
to
hear
you
know
hear
that
earlier
we
could.
B
That
they
would
certainly
be
included
as
people
that
we
want
to.
B
A
to
the
commission,
we
legally
cannot
restrict,
who
who
applies
or
who
is
welcome,
to
apply.
E
Restrictions,
I
think,
as
we
talked
earlier
on,
my
whole
point
has
been
inclusion.
E
Full
inclusion,
my
last
question
is,
and
the
asian
population.
B
I
believe
includes
people
who
are
have
an
asian
background
or
indigenous
course.
B
Those
are
all
included,
I
believe,
in
people
of
color.
So
thank
you.
I
understand
intersectionality.
E
I
was
just
asking
about
contact
and
folks's
input
and
being
included
prior
to
all
this.
E
Thank
you
very
much
yeah
point
of
order,
mr
president.
Could
mr
ello
could
I
just
ask.
D
D
Institutions
or
agencies,
and-
and
I
think
that
just
wasn't
the
approach
that
that.
D
People
who've
come
to
constituent
meetings
and
other
thing
and
other
folks
that
I've.
D
D
The
gap
of
not,
for
instance,
you
know,
including
an
asian
or
asian
american
advocacy.
D
Group
in
outreach
to
decide
whether
or
not
it
would
be
a
good
idea
to
hear
more
from
people.
D
J
Decide
to
form
a
commission:
how
do
how
do
we
decide
to
do
that
as
council
members
in
the
city.
J
Without
being
a
commission-
and
I
I
don't-
I
don't
think
that's
true.
J
And
I
also
wondered:
can
the
caps
not
form
by
selecting.
J
Group
has
evolved
some
of
the
functions
that
in
in
my
mind,
that's
part
of
the
reason
why
I
am.
J
And
so
I
guess
yeah,
the
central
question
is:
do
I
think
the
goals
or
purposes
cannot
be
achieved.
B
Well,
I
have
a
few
responses
to
that.
First
of
all,
council
member
smith,
you
said
that.
B
Commission,
I
do
not
know
of
any
commission
in
the
history
of
the
city
that
was
formed.
B
And
the
city
council
and
the
mayor
have
a
priority
to
hear
about
to
he
to
gather
people
together.
B
B
The
input
that
we
are
seeking
from
people
who
have
traditionally
been
marginalized
in
our
society.
B
Without
having
a
commission
as
the
structure,
I
think
that
perhaps
an
independent.
B
Recommendations
I
mean:
we've
had
we've
talked
a
lot
in
the
committee
meetings
about.
B
Is
another
level
of
of
structural
legitimacy?
If
we
have
a
commission
that
we
are
asking
to.
B
Look
into
public
safety
to
then
you
know,
since
it's
our
commission,
we
take
ownership
of
that.
We.
J
That
are
connected
to
and
give
input
to
the
city
right.
B
J
I
take
your
what
you
say
about
commission,
but
I
I
I'm
just
I'm
still
not.
J
J
Should
we
have
one
on
recovery
and
substance
abuse
should
we
have
commission
on
that.
J
Probably,
should
we
have
a
commission
on
child
trafficking?
You
know
I.
J
Mean
there
there's,
I
I
don't
know
where
you've
been
on
the
in
on
the
council.
J
J
So
you
and
the
other
members
who
sponsored
it
it's
just
it's
just
it's
public
safety
in
a.
J
Broader
sense
needs
to
be
discussed
and
brought
forth,
but
well,
let's
say
for
comments
for.
K
Community
and
family
resources,
department
and
I've
spoken
to
this
proposal
in
the
two.
K
Hearing
the
voices
of
people
who
have
been
marginalized
and,
and
that
I
think,
is
very.
K
K
That
we
do
that
we
that
we
have,
and
that
is
32
36
of
them.
Now
one
of
the.
K
K
K
K
So
that
happened
with
both
commissioner
status
and
black
males
and
hispanic
and
latino
affairs.
K
K
K
K
K
They
expected
it
to
be
it's
not.
These
people
come
together
and
automatically
start
working.
K
K
It's
just
part
of
group
process
to
form
as
a
group,
so
so
that
is
not
a
criticism
as
much.
K
As
that
is
voice
of
experience,
but
to
speak
directly
to
the
the
proposal
I
I
am
so.
K
K
K
My
opinion
and
and
anything
that
that
we
can
do-
and
I
do
appreciate
councilmember
piedmont,
smith's.
K
A
voice,
but
I
would
I
would
counsel
the
counsel,
to
allow
everyone
to
have
a
voice
and
to
take.
K
If
you,
however,
that
that
formation
happens,
every
voice
of
a
resident
should
be
as
important.
B
Oh,
I
was
going
to
ask
whether
miss
calendar
anderson
is
speaking
on
behalf
of
the
mayor's.
A
H
K
K
K
K
Apologize
I've
had
some
family
issues,
but
yes,
I
did
send
that
that
invitation
last
week.
K
Thank
you
I'd
like
to
is
there
a
response
from
the
sponsors,
counselor,
piedmont,
smith,.
D
A
Go
to
questions
counselor,
flaherty
sure.
I
think
I
appreciate
that
email
miss
calendar.
D
I'm
saying
your
comments
here.
Sorry,
I
have
a
dog
occasionally
barking
in
the
background.
D
I'm
curious
why
it
didn't
come,
you
know
six
or
eight
months
ago,
and
why
the
council
wasn't.
D
Involved
in
in
helping
as
representatives
of
the
community
as
elected
officials,.
D
A
couple
of
conversations
over
the
last
six
weeks
or
so
about
what
the
co-sponsors
of
this.
D
Constituents
and
residents
over
the
course
of
the
last
six
months
and
of
course
there
some
other.
D
D
Involved
with
that,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
those
kind
of
took
different
paths
a
little
bit.
D
The
future
of
policing
task
force-
you
know
by
its
own
words
and
proposal,
is,
is.
D
Very
focused
on
law
enforcement,
best
practices
and
that
aspect
of
public
safety,
whereas.
D
D
Really
in
policy
looking
at
things
outside
the
criminal
legal
system,
so
I
I
guess
I
think
I.
D
D
K
It
was
not
to
be
necessarily
a
city
group.
The
academy
is
a
is
a
separate
initiative
from
the.
K
K
K
City
council
was
not
one
of
the
demographics
that
was
on
that
list,
and
so
that's
I
mean
so
as.
K
K
K
It
would,
it
would
come
from
the
community
itself,
and
so
when
we
left
the
academy.
K
K
D
Okay,
I
guess
a
quick
follow-up.
If
that's
okay,
I
I
don't
mean
to
discount
the
work.
That's
been
done.
D
D
Goals
are
already
defined
to
how
we're
going
to
approach
challenges
in
public
safety.
It's
it's.
D
K
K
K
K
We
knew
and
and
that
had
been
active
workers
and
asked
various
people
to
serve.
D
Okay,
thank
you.
I
would
like
to
ask
one
question
to
follow
up
on
that,
but
it
sounds
miss
kellen.
A
Carmichael
and
chief
of
police
mike
decoff,
so
they're,
three
city
employees,
they're.
K
Yes,
so
they
asked
for
a
high
ranking.
They
asked
for
a
high-ranking
government
official.
K
They
asked
for
and
I'm
assuming
that's
mary
katherine.
I
don't
think
I'm
high-ranking.
K
K
K
K
A
local
artist
and
lgbtq
advocate
we
added
in
there,
but
that's
yeah.
That's
how
it
okay
well.
A
I
mean
like
I,
I
see
how
this
came
together.
You
know,
like
I
understand
that
the
the
goal.
A
A
Despite
you
know,
it's
the
the
way
in
which
it
was
generated.
Is
it
not
reasonable
to.
K
K
Of
the
mayor,
and
then
we
found
out
about
the
academy
piece
of
it
through
that
work,
so
yeah
the.
A
A
Just
that
you
know,
they're,
the
the
the
the
some
of
the
questions
from
members
are
characterizing.
A
K
A
A
B
Work
with
the
divider
communities
project
and
with
the
the
evolving
task
force
on
the.
B
Future
policing
and
the
racial
equity
task
force,
I
think,
she's
a
very
valuable.
B
B
Is
about
looking
at
public
safety
in
a
much
broader
view,
it
recognizes
that.
B
B
Addiction
treatment,
you
know,
maybe
racial
bias-
maybe
I
don't
know,
but
there
are
many.
B
B
B
A
That
was
heard
at
committee
and
the
amendment
was
approved
by
the
committee.
That
would.
A
Are
going
to
go
now
to
public
comment
on
ordinance
2020.
if
you
are
interested.
G
A
Go
ahead
hi,
so
my
name
is
lisa
padalka,
I'm
a
recent
graduate
of
indiana
university.
I'm.
L
So
I'm
speaking
on
her
behalf
very
briefly.
First,
I
would
like
to
speak
on
my
own
behalf.
L
So
these
are
my
words
directed
toward
ron
smith,
because
you
are
my
direct
representative
because.
L
In
bloomington
and
that
it
definitely
made
me
sad
to
hear
you
argue
about
nomenclature.
L
L
L
From
the
public
feedback,
overwhelmingly
isn't
supportive
of
it,
and
I
do
believe
that.
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
A
M
M
Full
meeting
last
week
that
took
place
due
to
family
member
being
in
the
hospital
due
to
covet.
M
M
Did
not
say
that
and
I
emailed
councilwoman
pima
smith
afterwards
and
let
her
know
that.
M
O
O
O
O
O
At
it,
the
gentleman
will
call
him
t
had
a
bad
infection
on
his
one
leg
he's
a
vet.
He
was
missing.
O
A
leg
that
one
leg
had
a
missing
all
digits
missing
off
of
the
foot
and
the
foot
was
infected.
O
O
O
O
O
O
Through
switchyard
park,
we
had
to
get
a
call
for
that.
We're
not
going
to
interview
with
police.
O
P
P
Of
bloomington-
and
I
want
to
preface
this
by
saying
that
I
I
want
to
say
that
I
think
this
is.
P
P
P
With
the
city
there's,
this
learned
helplessness
on
the
student
side
of
knowing
that
you
know
the.
P
P
Structurally,
how
this
works.
I
think
that
would
be
super
duper
dope
to
see,
but
I
want
to
very
much.
P
P
P
Q
Q
Q
Isn't
something
new,
but
it
is
definitely
something
that
that
communities
are
doing
to.
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
And
I
think
the
time
frame
is
two
years
here
at
least
for
a
review.
So
I'm
not
really.
Q
Sure
why
not
a
commission?
I
I've
heard
a
lot
of
folks
questioning
that
and
I'm
just
really
puzzled.
Q
I
don't
know
if
this
upsets
the
apple
cart
or
what,
but
I
just
strongly
urge
you
to
vote
yes.
Q
G
Next
up,
we
have
vox
booker,
who
should
now
be
unmuted
and
ready
to
comment.
You'll
have
five.
R
R
R
A
recipient
of
the
jack
hopkins
grant
and
I've
worked
with
the
united
way
as
well
on
some.
R
Goes
on
in
this
community,
I
also
participated
in
the
the
bridges
divided
community
project.
R
R
R
I
did
not
feel
like
we
were
a
body
that
was
looking
at
revolutionary.
R
Change
in
any
way
I
felt
like
it
was
another
cog
in
the
will.
Olio
miss
reese
spoke.
R
Feeling
unrepresented
by
that
body
as
well,
that
doesn't
mean
that
they
don't
have.
R
R
R
Especially
because
I
hear
so
much
so
much
gnashing
of
teeth
about
whether
or.
R
Commission,
what
are
we
fearful?
What
is
there
so
much
consternation
about
like
last
week,
I
said.
R
It
is
it's
not
the
burden
of
the
brutalized
or
the
oppressed
to
correct
all
the
social
ills.
R
I
don't
think
that's
too
much
to
ask.
I
don't
see
a
downside
to
this.
R
G
A
Go
ahead,
hi
first
off
I'd
like
to
thank
the
authors
of
this
whole
thing.
It's
wonderful
I'd.
S
Also
like
to
mention
that
they
indeed
did
go
out
of
their
way
to
communicate
with
constituents.
S
I
am
first
of
all
my
name's,
nicole
johnson,
sorry
about
that
I'll,
introduce
myself.
I
am.
S
Pantry
and
I'm
also
a
single
mom
of
four
kids,
and
you
know
I
can
check
off
the
disabled
box.
S
Too,
if
you
need
me
to,
however,
really
what
it
comes
down
to
and
what
really
surprises
me
amongst.
S
S
And
then
yeah-
and
there
was
some
talk
about
the
public
safety
and
how
that's
all
mayor
led.
I.
S
Believe
or
mayor
appointed
and
that
this
would
yes
complement
that
and
be
all
constituent
way.
S
S
S
A
T
Of
experiences
that
I
don't
think
most
people
have
been
as
far
as
multiple
hospitalizations.
T
T
Police
car
and
taken
me
to
the
er
in
handcuffs
which
is
really
humiliating
and
and
what.
T
Makes
that
even
more
unsafe
is
is
that
now,
if
I
am
having
an
urgent
need,
I'll
I'll
try
to
handle.
T
It
myself,
instead
of
reaching
out
for
help
and
that's
not
always
the
safest
thing
and
and
also.
T
T
Because
of
the
pandemic,
because
center
stone
has
been
closed
since
april,
we
can't
see
anybody.
T
It's
really
hard
to
get
our
checks,
and,
and
it's
just
our
services
have
been
pretty
much
cut
and.
T
So
I
just
think,
since
not
everybody
has
been
through
all
those
experiences
and
has
that
that.
T
T
Push
us
through.
Thank
you,
that's
all.
Thank
you.
Are
we
going
out
of
the
next
commenter
mr
lucas,.
A
U
That
the
commission
itself
is
a
bad
idea.
I
do
share
some
reservations
that
I
would
like.
U
American
advocacy
groups,
our
needs,
often
get
overlooked
so
much
and
we
are
out.
We
are
out
here.
A
Minutes
please
go
ahead.
Okay,
thanks
steve,
so
I
want
to
speak
in
support
of
this.
V
Ordinance
and
2020
in
particular-
and
I
don't
want
to
you-
know,
take
too
much
time
and
say
too.
V
Much
because
you
know
there's
a
lot
of
other
people
that
have
said
fabulous
things
and
and.
V
And
you
know
I'm
less
in
loop
about
this
than
than
other
people
here
are,
but
but
I
kind
of
want
to.
V
Reiterate
what
vox
said,
which
is
what
what's
the
downside?
That's
that's
the
question.
V
And-
and
you
know
trying
to
advise
the
government
to
do
to
to
do
stuff
so.
V
Of
commission
is
unnecessary
and
whether
it
can
be
done
through
you
know,
other
other
avenues.
V
V
V
Of
a
a
positive
comment
about
the
about
what
this
ordinance
does
that's
good
itself,
but.
V
But
I
I
don't,
I
I
think
he'll
be
hard-pressed
to
find
much
of
a
voice
in
in
in
the.
V
Commissions
of
of
the
city
government,
particularly
of
you,
know,
poor
and
black
and.
V
Brown
communities
and
the
lgbtq
community,
you
know
I
could
go
on
forever,
so
I
I
think
that.
V
There
just
isn't
a
downside
to
this,
and-
and
I
think
susan
in
particular
that
you
know
give
this.
V
G
Next
up,
we
have
cassie
and
I
apologize
I'm
not
sure
how.
G
To
pronounce
your
last
name,
but
you
should
now
be
muted
and
ready
to
comment.
W
W
W
W
W
W
G
X
Thank
you
to
the
council
for
considering
public
comments
this
evening,
and
I
hope
you
all
will.
Y
Apologize,
I'm
a
little
distracted.
I
am
also
working
right
now,
but
I
wanted
to
my
name:
is.
Y
Jana
arthur,
thank
you
yeah.
I
just
wanted
to
amplify
everything
that
I've
been
hearing
for.
Y
Y
Y
Agreed
to
voice
the
concerns
of
the
people
that
wanted
to
speak
and
one
of
the
things
that.
Y
Y
About
the
use
of
discretion
by
police
officers-
and
he
was
just
sort
of
elaborating
on
how
certain.
Y
Y
Right,
yeah
and
there's
just
a
lot
of
people
that
are
experiencing
complex
issues.
Y
As
well
as
substance
abuse
and
you're
trying
to
survive,
I
just
don't
think
that
the
typical.
A
Mr
lucas,
do
we
have
anybody
in
the
chat
or
in
raising
hands?
Yes,
I
do
have
a.
G
G
A
Like
to
would
they
like
to
move
the
amendment
now?
Yes,
I
move
amendment
1
to
ordinance
2020.
B
It's
two
years
after
the
first
meeting
of
the
commission
very
good.
Thank
you.
A
Are
there
any
other
questions
would
is
there
comment
from
the
administration
on
the
amendment.
K
Any
comment:
thank
you.
Okay,
if
there
are
no
questions,
we'll
go
to
the
public
for
comment.
A
A
S
S
Considering
how
slowly
this
is
going
right
now,
I
if
this
is
any
indication
about
this,
will.
S
Continue
because
we
all
know
this
is
a
very
important
subject
and
we
need
to
be
clear
on
it.
S
S
A
G
Have
a
later
on
publicly
all
right!
Last
last
minute
comment:
public
comment,
amendment
one.
R
I
do
think
in
addressing
some
of
the
issues
of
maybe
transparency
is
is
the
word
I
want
to.
R
R
The
amendment
that
way
that
folks
at
least
see
the
recommendations
publicly
that
they
made.
B
Wanted
to
say
that,
since
the
ordinance
itself
adds
a
section
in
bloomington
municipal
code,.
B
Felt
that
a
an
unlimited
term
for
the
commission
was
hard
to
swallow.
Thank
you.
A
J
The
sponsors
is
there
in
the
ordinance
the
disc
description
that
the
caps
commission
is
not.
J
The
caps
commission
is
that
part
of
the
function
that
they
may
or
may
not
do.
B
B
J
And
and
it
thank
you,
I
was
seeking
some
clarity
on
that.
A
F
Thank
you.
This
is
a
very
interesting
debate
and
I've
been
all
ears
and
I
really
appreciate
the.
F
Committee
for
hearing
this,
and
and
deliberating
about
it,
I'm
of
a
couple
minds
on
this.
F
Commission,
although
I
think
by
and
large,
I
find
a
great
deal
of
merit
in
having
a
means
by
which.
F
And
this
gives
a
process
by
which
we
can
hear
from
them.
And
I
think
that.
F
Does
it
does
it
run
the
risk
of
duplication?
Does
it
because
I
mean
we've
heard
the
reference.
F
To
lived
experience,
which
I'm
not
discounting,
lift
experience,
it's
very
important
and,
of
course,.
F
And
we
need
to
develop
policy
on
the
basis
of
not
a
single
lived
experience.
But
I
guess.
F
F
So
one's
lived
experience,
for
instance,
could
be
replicated
by
many
people
who
are
suffering.
F
From
homelessness,
for
instance,
and
and
and
and
so
that
information
research
should.
F
Be
hopefully
available,
and
I
think
that
having
it
embedded
in
the
in
the
council.
F
You
know
take
action
on
so
I
think
this
is
a
unique
enough
commission
that
it's
not.
F
F
F
Willing
to
support
it,
and
I
thank
the
the
authors
and
the
and
the
sponsors
for
bringing.
F
H
Thank
you,
and
I
I
would
disagree
slightly
with
my
colleague,
councilmember
rollo
in
that.
H
H
H
H
H
H
H
H
H
H
H
H
H
H
Best
way
around
this
too,
so
it
is
with
great
regret
and
sadness.
E
Thank
you
very
much
what
I
really
want
to
make
clear-
and
I
think
this
has
been
my
position
right.
E
From
the
beginning
that
I
support
a
great
many
of
the
the
the
goals
and
the
the
insights
of.
E
E
E
E
Okay,
now
that's
that's
changed
somewhat,
but
I
still
kind
of
maintain
that,
with
the.
E
Formation
of
this
proposal,
I
brought
up
the
fact
that
there
was
at
by
my
account
about
22.
E
Advocacy
social
service
organizations
there's
probably
more
and
I'm
not
even
counting.
E
I
always
advocate,
or
since
the
beginning
have
advocated,
that
not
against
a
commission.
E
E
E
E
E
E
E
E
E
E
Meeting
which
I
do
respect,
but
I
wouldn't
paint
that
picture
to
say
you
know,
because
we.
E
E
Think
we
can
still
do
some
of
the
things
that
they
will
strive
to
do
if
it
was
a
task
force
just.
E
Involved
with
that
or
not
I
held
my
tongue,
but
one
of
the
things
is
that
I
was
one
of
those.
E
E
Talked
about
social
equity
and
racial
equity.
So
I
think
if
someone
wants
to
know
those
things.
E
B
Middle
class
white
people-
frankly,
people
active
in
neighborhood
associations.
B
Other
opinions
and
other
people,
when
I
have
major
decisions
to
make
at
the
council.
B
It's
not
like,
I
just
wait
for
emails
to
come
in.
I
do
try
to
get
those
other
opinions.
B
But
this
body,
if
we
create
this
commission,
I
think
it
will
be
very
useful
to
me
and
very
useful.
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
A
D
I
I
have
an
am
following
up
with
these
individuals
continuing
to
reflect
on
that
criticism.
D
D
And
do
better
this
legislation
proposes
to
to
create
a
structure
and
formalize
a
process.
D
D
Entity,
commission,
or
or
proposed
entry
entity
or
commissioner
task
force
for
that
matter,.
D
Is
seeking
to
do
so?
Many
residents,
however,
including
many
bypoc
residents,
have
explicitly.
D
Their
perspective
and
making
those
recommendations
is
is
a
good
approach.
Again,
I
am
I
I
apologize.
D
For
shortcomings
in
the
in
the
initial
development
of
this
and
and
and
working
to
to
continue.
D
Of
the
outcome
of
the
vote
tonight
that
will
that
will
be
true,
so
I
appreciate
the
the
extensive.
D
All
working
to
do
what
we
think
is
best
for
the
community
in
this
in
this
space.
So
thank
you
all.
AA
Thank
you
and
thank
you
to
council
members,
piedmont,
smith
and
flaherty
and
rosenberger.
AA
First
things:
first,
what
can
we
agree
on
here?
I've
listened
to
this
conversation,
not
just
this.
AA
AA
AA
AA
AA
AA
AA
AA
AA
AA
AA
About
this
I
can't
remember
which
committee
meeting
it
was,
but
ms
reese,
I
believe,
offered
the.
AA
AA
AA
AA
AA
AA
AA
AA
AA
AA
AA
AA
AA
AA
I
I
I
That
we
can
try
and
we
can
put
that
two-year
limit
on
it.
It
would
be
the
only
commission.
I
I
think
created
with
that
with
a
deadline
and
a
review,
but
you
know
it's
to
me.
The.
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
J
I've
I've
given
this
I've
really
thought
hard
about
this
for
the
last
few
weeks
and.
J
And
the
public
comment,
I've
decided
to
support
the
commission
and
vote
yes
tonight.
A
To
solving
problems,
do
we
do
it
top
down
or
bottom
up?
A
task
force
is,
by
definition,.
A
And
there's
nothing
inherently
problematic
about
that.
We
need
the
executive,
the
legislative.
A
Branch's
role,
though,
must
balance
the
top
down
with
the
bottom
up.
We
can't
ignore
the.
A
The
what's
the
word,
the
imperatives
of
the
administration
but,
of
course,
we're.
A
Elected
by
the
people,
and
so
we
speak
for
individual
voices.
A
A
Policy
on
my
own-
and
I
did
I
did
my
share
of
it,
but
the
city's
parking
policies
now
are
better.
A
A
A
It's
success
or
failure
depends
on
who
sits
in
it
first,
so
I
am
happy
to
support
it
because.
A
A
A
F
A
By
my
account,
the
motion
passes
six
to
three.
The
ordinance
is
adopted.
A
We
go
now
to
sorry,
I'm
finding
my
agenda
here.
C
C
A
To
the
the
next
opportunity
for
a
committee
meeting,
which
will
be
december
9th
mr
lucas
is.
A
Is
that
does
it
does
that
need
to
be
a
motion,
or
can
I
simply
make
that
declaration.
G
G
Legislation
to
a
committee
subject
to
any
different
referral
the
council
wanted
to
make
so.
G
Assuming
the
council
doesn't
doesn't
have
a
different
preference,
then
that
referral
is.
G
Is
sufficient
and
the
start
time
of
the
committee
meetings
on
september?
The
ninth
may.
G
I
don't
know
that
the
the
start
time
will
be
able
to
be
set
this
evening,
but
unless
the.
G
A
A
Last
call
seeing
none
that's
what
we'll
do,
and
so
during
council
schedule,
we'll
move
to
cancel.
A
That
meeting
for
tonight,
all
right,
we
go
now
to
the
second
period
of
public.
A
Comment
is
there
anyone
who
would
like
to
speak
on
an
item
that
was
not
on
tonight's.
A
A
AB
Just
a
dramatic
improvement
from
how
we
used
to
do
business.
But
while
I
was
at
the.
AB
AB
AB
AB
AB
AB
AB
AB
G
Z
Z
Z
Z
Z
Z
Z
Z
Z
Z
Z
Z
Z
Z
Z
V
I
think
that
for
everybody-
and
that
includes
you,
know,
council
members
and
you
know
people
in
the.
V
Public
comment
section
like
in
general,
we
should
think
about
you
know
when,
when
it's
okay
to.
V
V
V
Kind
of
made
my
gig
at
local
politics
doing
that
sort
of
thing.
So
I'd
be
a
hypocrite
to
denounce.
V
Such
as
ones
that
were
recently
considered
and
voted
for,
I
I
think
we
have
to
be
careful
not.
V
With
us-
and
I
I
think
that
the
the
onus
is
on
you
know
us,
as
you
know,
especially
as
people.
V
V
And
even
even
with
like
you
know,
I
have
my
issues
with
bpd,
but
you
know
I'm
I'm
willing
to
listen.
V
To
you
know,
data
driven
arguments
and
that
sort
of
thing
and
though
oh
I
could
I
could
go
in.
V
On
him
too,
but
but
I
I
think
we
should
think
about
it
and
and
that
that's
that's
all
that's
all.
I.
V
Got
to
say
thanks
everybody
for
listening,
and
I
I
think
we
have
a
bright
future
ahead
of
us.
A
Can
I'll
entertain
a
motion
to
cancel
the
admin
committee
to
follow
immediately?
I
moved.
C
And
I
my
hands
didn't
catch
up
so
councilman
morello.
F
C
G
Is
finalizing
a
date
for
its
first
meeting
of
the
year,
a
tentative
date
that
we
will
confirm.
G
For
folks
interested
in
in
that
committee's
work,
stay
tuned,
you
should
be
getting
a
a.
G
G
Council's
horizon,
there
are
only
three
meetings
left
of
the
council
by
before
the
end
of
the
year.
G
Before
council
goes
on
winter
recess,
so
you
mean
three
meeting
nights
because.