City of Bloomington, Indiana City Council, 16 Sep 2019

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Councilmember granger rollo bolin, sandburg bro.

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Yeah piedmon smith yeah mr. bone here. Thank you I'm sorry, president. Yes, very.

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Good, thank you. Here's the agenda summation. We will have.

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Previously considered legislation this evening, the first item that we will have.

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Is declaration of the conflict of interest by persons that will be.

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Followed by emotions, the structured deliberations this evening, then we will.

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Have emotions to spend the rules to reopen consideration, ordinance 1912 will.

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Then have a motion to return council consideration of ordinance 1912 to.

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Motion to the job and then we will have ordinance appearing on britain's 1912.

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Which is to amend the city of bloomington zoning maps by rezoning.

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Three point: five: acres of property from commercial arterial, cieza playing unit.

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Development and to approve a district ordinance of bloomery plan.

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200 north walnuts breeding and that received a common council regular.

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Session action of the fourth number 2019 motion to adopt it was rejected three.

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Five one: it had a land-use recommendation in the report of do pass zero, one three and it had a regular section action of july.

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31St 2019, where it was referred to land use committee for report on the fourth.

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Of september, 2019 adopted seven zero zero and then we will so with that. We.

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Have a department, ordinance 19 that well includes a financial contribution to the.

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Human, I'm sorry, the housing development fund, which is administered by that by.

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Voting on this budget, I would be voting in part on the funds for budget overseen.

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By my spouse, however, the size of the affordable housing phone has no relation.

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To the level of compensation for her as a department, here, there is a provision.

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In local coal, which applies when a council members require to take action,.

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On the matter where he or she has a financial interest, which is more than.

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Minimal or different from that chair by the general public.

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In that event, the councilmember must explain the potential conflict and.

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Either a a stay he or she be excused from voting deliberating or taking.

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Action on the matter or state why he or she is able to stay fairly objectively.

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The public interest, despite the potential conflict in this case, I wish.

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To declare that potential conflict and state that my support for affordable.

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Housing is independent of where this contribution would be implemented. This.

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Is a significant contribution towards a pressing need in our community for that.

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Reason I will be able to protect, participate fairly objectively and in.

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The public interest, despite the potential conflict respectfully.

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Councilmember sands, thank you councilmember, since no, no, all.

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In favor of accepting the declaration.

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The first thing you want, I think you might want to consider doing- is.

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Structuring your deliberation, so that's the if you want to do that. There's a.

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Motion that regard I'm ready then next up is the motion to.

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Suspend the rules. Thank you. Mr. president, I moved at the council of.

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Structured deliberations under this section of the agenda in the following.

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Manner first, the council will entertain a motion to suspend the rules for the open consideration of ordinance 1912. If the.

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Motion passes, then the council will entertain a motion to recur to return.

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Council, consideration of ordinance 1912 to a motion to adopt if that motion.

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Passes that the council will request. Excuse me that the clerk introduced the.

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Item by reading the ordinance by title and synopsis and then entertain a motion.

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To adopt ordinance 1912, I need a second does. This require a roll call vote.

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Well, this from this structuring of motions can be discussed. Oh yes, so in.

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Its subject, you'll need a a two-thirds majority. So generally, that's a roll call.

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Vote though, okay are there, questions are, if I can just say the motion to suspend.

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Requires a two-thirds vote and is not subject to debate or amendment the the.

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Motion if that motion succeeds, then the motion to return consideration of.

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Ordinance 1912 is debatable, but is not amendable and then the if the motion.

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Passes then we it's as if we're reintroducing it for the first time.

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That's all I wanted to say I'm happy to answer questions other questions from.

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Council regarding the motion is there public comment on the motion.

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Yes, there's no debate over amendment on the motion to suspend. Is there public.

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Comments on this motion, yes, as written, this allows for public comment on the.

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Motion to suspend the rules- and I think it says three minutes and I should maybe.

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Add to the motion that, yes, that we would limit public comment on the motion to.

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Suspend to three minutes per person, we would limit members and members of the.

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Public and council comments speaking asking questions on the motion to return.

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To consideration to three minutes each and then members of public may speak no.

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More than five minutes on the reintroduction of the ordinance, if those.

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Two motions pass. Thank you. My question was: is there public comment on demotion.

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To structure debate, no okay, all right will the clerk. Please call the roll.

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So this motion is for the whole thing and it's structured so that the public.

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Can comment on the structure of deliberations tonight, so the public.

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Comment isn't in order now, but it will not be in order.

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Sorry, I take it back all right. No, but we're voting on is structuring, debate.

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Yeah at this point correct mr. thurmond you're right.

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Well, the clerk: please call the roll on the motion to structure debate as.

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Described by councilmember granger, yes, frollo, yes, ball, one! Yes, sandburg! Yes,.

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Ruff, yes, piedmont, smith! Yes, mr. baum, yes, sir, yes, motion, structure debate is.

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Adopted 8-0. Mr. president, I move that the council entertain a motion to.

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Suspend the rules to reopen consideration of ordinance 1912 all.

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Right and this is not subjected to maximum, it requires a two-thirds vote. No.

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Right but there to open the question. If customers have questions directed to mr.

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Sherr, in order to make sure councilmembers understand the motion.

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They can ask points of information and I believe this part of the agenda does.

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Open up public comment for three minutes: let's go to council question: it's fun.

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Time for speaker do any council members have questions very any motion. The.

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Motion signo will open up to the public. The.

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Public would like to comment on the motion to suspend the rules to reopen.

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Consideration of one minutes, 1912, please step to the microphone. Okay, let's say.

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None and we're back to council and we have no room for debate, so we will now.

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It's the same, it's part of the deliberations this this motion is.

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Designed to just get down to the vote, we've extended it to allow for public.

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Comment, we don't have any if you have a question about. What's the implication of.

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Your vote. This is a good time to ask it, but this is not about where council.

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Members comment on their positions so.

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Please so this vote on this particular motion.

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It should be seen or false should be seen as it's completely distinct from.

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Our position about the actual addenda, hydaburg.

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In other words, one could vote out of respect, for one could be a disagreement.

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With all aspects of this, but but out of respect for the will of the majority of.

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Council respecting the body as a whole, a council member- might say I will vote yes.

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On this, that's fair: your considerations on each of these motions could be.

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Different and one of the key difference is that this vote, this motion requires.

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Six council, members and other votes tonight require five, okay, any other.

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Questions we have motion in second: will the clerk? Please call the roll on the.

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Motion to suspend the rules- councilmember rollo, yes, ball, one! Yes,.

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Sandburg, yes, ruff. Yes, people expect. Yes, mr. baum, yes,.

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Simms, yes, granger. Yes, we needed six votes and.

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We have eight votes to suspend the rules. Mr. chair, I moved to return council.

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Consideration of ordinance 1912 the motion to adopt- and this is so this is.

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This is debatable. We we need to because we already entertained the ordinance we.

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Need to bring it back, but it requires a simple majority. It is debatable, but we.

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Cannot be amended? Okay, then I'll. Go to the council members for question or.

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Comment on the motion to return council consideration, ordinance, 1912.

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All right, seeing none and we'll go to the public. Does the public have comments.

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On the motion to return council consideration of ordinance ink 212 to.

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Motion of the doctor please step to the microphone seeing none.

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We're back to council- and we have a motion in second with the clerk well.

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Load coming to load. Okay, do you want an answer.

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Yeah, sorry until now you this everything's been a prelim to this vote.

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This is where, up until now, your vote to reject this pud as a on september. 4Th is.

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In effect, with adoption of this vote, that action was erased and you're.

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Starting at the point where you can move to adopt the ordinance, the significance.

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Here is that it will take five votes either in favor or against, for the.

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Council to have a say on this pud after this vote, if you do not have five vote.

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Majority one way or the other, then the vote of the plan commission in june.

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Would go into effect, so this is that's key for the spoked and how that changes.

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Your posture as a council, please so the council votes for yes and for no and one.

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Abstain, then, the council's decision from central 4th is not what's, in effect,.

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What's, in effect, is applying commissions.

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After this vote, okay, so if what if this vote passes, then you are correct because.

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It fails, then, the meetings over and what the council in the fourth is in fact.

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That's correct: you've suspended the rules to allow for this motion. This.

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Motion would then erase your action from september 4th so and then you'll be able.

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To take whatever action you see fit if that motion passes, but it will take five.

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To have significance parliamentarian, do you have a question or a comment? I'm not.

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Speaking as a parliamentarian speaking as someone who's making, these motions.

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Well, I mean technically I do that as parliamentarian, but in this case I'm.

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Initiating the action, what I want to say is: I recognize the the peril as you.

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Might say of accepting this motion where we undo the previous decision only to.

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Then not make changes and that if the majority of council doesn't want to see.

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The changes, then it's approved as decided by the plan commission. My action.

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At that point, I would be willing to withdraw the the ordinance that is, that.

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Am I not able to withdraw it from consideration and at that point, we're.

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Still once you get beyond this point, the only way you have a say beyond what the.

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Planning commission recommended is a yes or a no, so you either will say five.

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People say yes for the ordinance as amended or as amended, yeah or five say.

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No then, I would say this if we do. I it's my personal stance that if we do not.

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Adopt the amendment I will vote no, and I believe that that would be.

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Enough to make sure that the project is not approved at all, it's defeated once.

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Again, I you know, I wanted to see these changes made and if the changes aren't.

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Made then I would have a problem with it, so I hope that helps mr. roth. Does that.

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Satisfy your question: customer oof yeah other questions from council. Okay, I.

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Think we're ready to call the passion, have a roll call well questions or.

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Comments about the motion to return console consideration of ordinance, 1912.

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A motion to adopt to undo the previous decision.

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Council member granger.

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I didn't approve this project last week. I don't approve, prove it this week, but.

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I'm really concerned really concerned that it may revert to the initial plan. I.

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Mean I think the developers have worked really hard to try to make changes for.

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Me it's not enough so wow so period. Thank you. uh Other comment.

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From council councilmember pete mon smith yeah, I think it's it's very.

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Important for me, if I vote yes on this- that the next motion is one to a pen to.

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Pen, reasonable conditions to the pd proposal, which reflect the conversations.

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That we've had with the developers over the last two weeks, so I I would.

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Respectfully asked my colleagues if this, if this vote is positive, to allow.

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Somebody to make a motion to append those reasonable conditions before we.

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Vote on the final motion again: yes right once it's introduced, you may have that.

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Opportunity, council, member verow, do you have a I.

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Don't know what's gonna happen in the course of this discussion and I there is.

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A chance that it could something it could be rejected.

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In revert back yeah, I don't know, what's gonna happen, I so I'm gonna go know at.

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This point counts a member or sterba. On my belief. Yes, we were at a point in our.

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Last council meeting, where I suggested that we continue so that we could get.

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Some more concessions from the petitioner. I have since understood that.

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Those concessions could be amended to the to this new approval and those.

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Included a facade improvement of adding a considerable brick to the facade that.

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Faces the street there's a bus route at stake that would serve the community and.

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There was a contribution equal to the annual council sidewalk committee to do.

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Off-Site sidewalk work: these are, these were the ideas that I was wanting to.

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Have discussed in our last meeting when question was called.

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And the the vote came out in a negative and it just felt very abrupt and it felt.

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Like deliberation was cut off, and I would like this to be reopened for that.

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Reason that we can make this a better project. Thank you, councilmember vaughn. I.

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Acknowledge the complexity, what we're doing here, but I want to point to the complexity of the vote on september 4th, which was.

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Unprecedented in my experience on council, there were a great deal of.

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Questions as to what motion took precedence and in a moment when that.

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That made a difference. There was a lot of information to process that not every.

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Member could process in the moment again. I voted no because I did not want the.

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Motion in the first place- and I knew the only thing I knew in that moment was if.

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I vote with the majority, then I'll be able to reopen the question and I did.

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Ask to have it reconsidered, but again when we were considering.

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The motion that night, it wasn't clear enough to mr. sherman myself or anybody.

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Else in the room, what would have been the appropriate actions to take it took.

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Us an hour of debate after that meeting debate pretty much all the next day to.

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Figure out what happened and how it should have happened, and I believe that.

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What we're doing tonight is deciding it properly.

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Council members, sir bom and I both had the same feeling that we weren't sure we.

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Wanted more time to consider it specifically to get the details right to.

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Get them in writing. The petitioners put a lot of things in writing, but- and this.

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Is why we were so ambivalent because they were close, but it wasn't quite there, like. I said earlier, it's important to note that I do not support the.

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Project as it came out of plant commission, I'm only reopening it because.

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Of what customers serve up- and I are trying to do- is to get these specifics.

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Down so you know, I just want you to all understand that this motion simply.

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Undoes the defeat of ordinance 1912 after it it's undone, we reintroduce it.

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As it were any other new piece of legislation without, of course, the.

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Elaborate presentation which we have all been familiar with, so we have to go.

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Through this step, and while I recognize people are uncomfortable with it, I am.

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Quite confident that the will is here to defeat the motion wants it to defeat the.

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Ordinance once again, if the amendment is not accepted, thank you dump them ever.

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I think I have a question for our counsel attorney. Is this appropriate to.

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Discuss these matters, it's debatable to the extent that the underlying question.

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Is debatable so? Yes, you can it's a point of information? What's what's at stake.

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Here so I'll defer to councilmember valen, who constructed the reasonable.

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Condition it's not being introduced at this time, it's merely being it's.

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Informing the council about how this project has changed and let you vote.

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Good knowledge, okay, come on herb rivoli. The project has not changed until this.

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Amendment is adopted, the amendment was prepared so that it could be changed. The.

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Only reason that I'm supportive of this project is if this amendment is adopted.

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So the amendment has to sent out in the packet on friday. We all should have a.

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Copy of it, it is mostly the same. That's what the petitioners were offering on.

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December 4 or september 4th, it adds a few new items. I expected and I still.

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Expect that that whatever discussion we have tonight will be on the items on the.

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Tail end of what, basically, the the exceptions are the changes to what the.

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Petitioner offered on september 4th, I would strongly urge you to look now on.

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The at the amendment and see those are, the items were going to discuss and they.

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Of course, the amendment the the reasonable conditions list is open to.

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Amendment anyone who wanted that there's a couple of changes that I need to.

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Propose to the amendment a couple of word: changes that will better clarify it. I already know if two- and I expect that.

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Other members will have will want to strike or add a word or two or let's.

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Strike a line so we're gonna go it's like any ordinance, that's being amended.

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It's the same process. Thank you. Thank you, councilmember simms, to satisfy your.

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Question yes, all right for any further questions or comments. Call the question.

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Well, the clerk, please call the roll on motions to returning council.

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Consideration ordinance 1912 to a motion to adopt councilmember boland. Yes,.

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Sandburg, yes, ruff, no people in smith; yes, mr. baum, yes, simms.

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Yes, granger, yes, rolla, yes, 7 1, then motion is adopted.

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Mr. president, I move that the ordinance 19:12.

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Be introduced in red by title and synopsis, only it's been moved and.

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Seconded that ordinance, 19:12 be introduced and read by the clerk by.

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Titled synopsis only all in favor, say aye aye any opposed. Will the clerk please read ordinance 1912 to amend the city of.

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Bloomington zoning maps by rezoning, 3.85 acres of property from commercial.

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Arterial ca to planned unit development and to approve a district ordinance and.

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Preliminary plan regarding 1,800 north walnut street cdg acquisitions, llc.

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Petitioner, the synopsis reads as follows: ordinance 1912 would rezone 3.85 acres.

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Of commercial arterial ca to planned unit development pud and improve the.

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Associated district ordinance and preliminary plan to allow the construction of a mixed-use development. Thank you. Mr. president, I moved that.

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Ordinance 1912 be adopted. Second, thank you. We have members of the.

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Administration here this evening, we have the planning and transportation director.

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Terry porter, we have the, we have corporate counsel. We have belief.

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Hamilton is here, and so if there are any questions, I don't think that we're they.

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Prepared to make any presentation we're familiar with the with the project and.

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So I suggest that we begin with any counsel, questions or a motion if anyone.

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Would like to make a motion for to amend the butte ordinance. Mr. president, I move.

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Reasonable condition one to ordinance, 1912. Okay, could you describe it okay, so.

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On september, 4th the petitioner had a number of revisions about that count.

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Lines 11 bullet points and their proposed revisions to the ordinance they.

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Talked about the access drive-in parking in front being eliminated, the building.

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Being moved to the to the west to create more of a building forward street front.

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All commercial parking will be in the garage they create additional modulation.

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Along the frontage, they created a large outdoor plaza to pedestrian access.

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Points from the public sidewalk to the plaza the easternmost portion of the.

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Building shifted further north to create a greater setback on the south side.

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They removed an entire floor of the east building which reduced, I think, 72 beds.

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Out of 8 and 22 proposed, they proposed to add 50 solar panels, 20 kilowatts of.

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Power 2,000 square foot, green roof and they also proposed to they agreed to.

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Preliminary terms for a public shuttle bus service and finally, they agreed to.

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Additional brick throughout the project, these are details that were handed out.

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Then the extra details that are proposed in this reasonable condition form is to.

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Adopt what they've already proposed and to commit to five other items number one.

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To offer parking on on-site parking only not include the parking spaces in rent.

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To commit to an amount not to exceed $300,000, to complete the sidewalk.

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Network from their project down walnut street to 19th street and all the way to.

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Done they are committing specifically to funding a bloomington transit bus, not.

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Simply a shuttle bus, but a regular bloomington transit route. That would be.

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At least five miles long, that would run a bus every 30 minutes during the iu.

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Antic academic school year, 12 days, 12 hours a day monday through thursday 10.

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Hours a day on fridays, they would commit, in addition to the additional brick.

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Already committed to on the west assad to additional brick directly above the.

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Signmark seward foundry- you can see it in this illustration on the screen here.

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It is the it is the corner that is closest to the viewers perspective here.

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It's hard to read, but basically that corner that's most prominent faces us.

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Was not brick and now is brick all the way up, both on the west and the south.

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Faces all the dark is brick, yes right and- and there was also they had.

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Committed to brick on the more brick on this facade that misses her own. I think.

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Going to better detail about and finally to commit to a maximum ratio of 0.5 5/6.

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Structured parking spaces for bedroom. This last one was based on the original.

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Parking formula it was 457 spaces on 822 beds or 0.55 6 per bedroom with the.

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Reduction in rooms, the 0.55 six remains. It goes on to about 40 spaces to 417. I'm.

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Happy to answer questions about it, but I think that this is a pretty thorough.

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Explanation of the specific changes that at least two members here wanted to see.

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Before being able to say to this project, is it should be bastard? I'm happy dance.

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Acquaint of information- I may have missed it, but did you mention how this.

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Reasonable condition was revised as a result.

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Today, oh there was a revision. The the word maximum was not in the race it just.

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Said commit to a ratio of 0.5 five six and I intended it to be maximum if they.

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Want to build less parking they can, and the other thing was that should be in.

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There, the third bullet point: it should specify that the bus route will be open.

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To the public and it's not restricted to to residents of the complex on the other.

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Hand by definition of bloomington transit bus route must be open to the.

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Public, so I'm not sure we need to change the words on that it by definition, if.

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They fund a bloomington transit route. It will be open to everyone before I go to.

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Questions I'd like to give the opportunity to representatives of the.

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Petitioner, if you would like to say anything or regarding this as reasonable.

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Conditions, one is described by councilman.

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Brant stiles collegiate development group 7711.

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Bono avenue st. louis missouri members of city council, first off, I truly.

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Appreciate the opportunity tonight to to reconsider what was put in front of you.

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I don't really need that rehash the project. I think everyone is very.

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Familiar but did want to just explain one quick item just about our company.

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And we really really, you know pride ourselves on developing quality projects.

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And to ensure this, we really limit the amount of projects that we deliver on an.

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Annual basis two to three projects, it allows me as a principal and my other.

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Partner to stay very, very involved in these projects to make sure that we.

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Deliver on all the promises that we make all the promises that we make are very.

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Very you know important to us, make sure we deliver high quality project and make.

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Sure this is a great project for the community, so we've spent the last you.

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Know over a year you know putting our blood, sweat and tears and into this.

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Project and you know really appreciate the reconsideration. Over the last few days, we've been working with a couple council.

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Members to try to address some of the items that were identified at the last.

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Meeting I appreciate the opportunity to to to go through those exercises.

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Something that we were very happy to deliver at that time and I'm glad we are.

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Giving the opportunity for the consideration so a couple of the items.

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That were identified in in those conversations were more brick, and I can.

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I brought a slide to identify those some of the conditions previously right.

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Around here here and here it was surrounded, there was brick, but it.

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Was also the the you know, the third or fourth floor, the materials were.

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Cemeteries panel in in the modifications we took, that entire volume and and it's.

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Now identified with brick, in addition, this area right here was previously.

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Cemeteries panel, which is now brick a couple of the other conditions, the.

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Sidewalk on 19th and reduced parking stalls on at ala carte basis. This is a.

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Updated elevation based on the additional brick on the facades that we.

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Identified the view from the north- and this is a study of the sidewalk network.

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Along 19th, and what we've identified is that we will have the ability to make.

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The connection along at all of 19th street and are committed to doing that.

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That that's all I want to do to share you know this is a very important.

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Project to our to our organization and excited to hopefully be a member of the.

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Community, if if this is voted in favor tonight, so I appreciate the.

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Reconsideration, thank you for your statement. Will now go.

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To questions from council and come summer people on smith, would you like to.

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Begin so do I understand correctly that you would not only fill in the sidewalk.

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Between the property south along walnut street to 19th, but also all of the gaps.

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In the sidewalk from ninth on 19th street, from walnut have done. That is.

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Further questions customer voland to follow up on that question. The one thing.

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I didn't know looking at the google maps is what, if you can't acquire.

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Right-Of-Way or if there is I mean, will you be able to build? The sidewalk are.

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There sort of unexpected third party problems with getting it across in.

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Reviewing and reviewing over the gis map, which provides a very a fairly accurate.

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Depiction of the properties and the right-of-way, it appears that there is.

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Room in the right-of-way outside of the property lines to construct the.

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Sidewalks, if, through surveys and other further identification, we are unable to.

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Do it within the right-of-way, we will engage in conversations with the.

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Landowners we've committed up to three hundred thousand dollars to get this.

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Done so I'm confident we will do it we'll get it done if we can't in certain.

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Sections we've also committed to that maximum of three hundred thousand.

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Dollars to do other pedestrian, vehicular other other improvements to the street.

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So all those dollars will go on to 19th street. If you can't just build a.

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Sidewalk, what alternative I mean, how might you do something to.

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Complete the network will to go into the streets amount.

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I will do everything we can working with the transportation department. It could.

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Go into the street it could. We could work on some sort of structure by bike.

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Lane we could we've got a lot of money to work with to get this done, and it's.

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Something we're willing to commit to my hope and we're very optimistic that.

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Through the gis review, we'll be able to complete the side work now, a sidewalk.

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Network. Thank you further questions from council. We believe the market rent for.

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Covered parking spots in the market range anywhere from 75 to 90 dollars per.

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Month and we've we've committed to selling those parking spots on an a la.

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Carte basis, and not including them in into the monthly rent for the units.

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Thank you other questions. Okay, seeing none we'll go to the public, and this is.

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A public comment, unreasonable condition one. So, if you would please let me in.

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Your comments, reasonable condition, one ordinance 1912 you'll, have an.

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Opportunity to speak on the ordinance itself in a few minutes: okay, seeing none.

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We're back to council for final comment on the reasonable condition. Anyone like.

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To councilmember piedmont, smith.

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This is in my experience, this developer has farther than any other developer to.

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Meet the requests of the council, both in starting to make this corridor on walnut.

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Street, more pedestrian-friendly by bringing the building up close to the.

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Street and having a patio area right next to the sidewalk and also trying to.

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Add some more sustainable features to the project. They are, admittedly, not a.

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Big part of the project, but they do show willingness on the part of the developer.

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To engage with the council and the verticals sustainability goals in the.

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Community, I am most excited about the commitment to fund a bloomington transit.

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Bus route, we all know that bloomington transit is very limited in funding for.

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Operations and there we we heard in the spring when they did a study to optimize.

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Their routes, which was to be a zero zero sum game because they weren't saying we.

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Have more money tell us how to use it? They were saying we have the same amount of money. Can we use it better, but a lot of people you know, got excited and said.

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Well, we want this and this and this- and we just can't do that with the funding.

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We have now for bloomington transit, so through that process it became even more.

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Clear to me that we need other sources of funding for bloomington transit and.

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This is a really a revolutionary way to to fund transit, to have the developer.

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Make a commitment to pay for the round, so I think that is.

H

A wonderful aspect of the project- I guess I I would have said this later, but.

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As I'm talking and the amendment is certainly all tied in with the proposal.

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Itself, I will just address the fact that I voted no last time and I think that I.

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For myself, it was not that I didn't understand what was happening.

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I knew fully what was happening, but I, the final set of changes brought by the.

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Developer was presented to us that same day september 4th so it was. I didn't.

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Have much time to review them. Furthermore, just I've had time since.

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Then, to further reflect on the concessions that the developers made and.

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I have continued to engage as many of us here have in conversations with people.

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In core neighborhoods, who don't like the idea of higher density in their.

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Neighborhoods- and you know they repeatedly have have voiced- concerns to.

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Me and said: look there are better places for highness. This is a good place for.

H

High-Density, this is a well-traveled high-traffic corridor, piedmont, smith. I'm.

B

Sorry to interrupt, but we did vote on structuring the debate. Your time is.

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Expired, so if you would just wrap it up and the next sentence or so yeah, so that.

H

Anyway, that that's why I, upon further reflection and seeing that we really do.

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Need more housing: this is an appropriate place for that and I think the reason.

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The conditions are more than reasonable and I'm I'm pleased that for developers.

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So I will support the amendment. Thank you, councilmember piedmont, smith. Other.

B

Comment comes murmur, simps. Thank you. I know that's a big surprise. I supported.

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It last week, but I think the reasonable conditions, some of the agreements to.

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Make this work it's commendable. I also think that we are in a position city.

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Council and administration to demand certain things to be brought into our.

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Community and to be introduced, the worst thing that happens that they could say.

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No- and I think they got close a couple times, but the worst thing they could.

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Ever say is no and not to sound disrespectful or if they leave it's not.

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Gonna be that much long before someone else comes in and wanting to do the same.

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Thing that would be probably willing to do some of these things that we're.

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Asking so I appreciate.

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Probably the biggest thing to me is the community benefit student-oriented house.

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And we've talked about this I've pretty much guarantee you at least I won't.

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Support any more student oriented housing in the downtown area or m'lady.

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I'll talk about that, so, where are some of the areas? Were this best fit? There's.

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One of the few parcels that bit better than where we are now and there's just.

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Certain things that happen I have heard some of my colleagues my.

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Counselors, this is going to create some other issues. You know sorry for that, and.

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That's not something that I want wish. We could avoid it, but on the scale, is it.

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Better for the community or long term that we do this and I'm also excited.

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About adding to the housing inventory and that's something else: we've all.

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Talked about yes, we do some of these and we all know other projects that were.

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Built 20 years ago that will in fact turn into, and I don't want to say.

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Affordable housing but housing that is more affordable. There's differences.

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There so don't confuse affordable housing with housing. That's affordable.

C

Okay and I'm kind of interested in singing go that way. Yeah we want to have.

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A mix I started students and family- that's just not a good mix and I'll tell.

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You from experience, so I'm happy to support this. I think I've got about 30.

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Seconds before I get to bring that, and thank you all for that and thank my.

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Colleagues for suggesting some of these changes that makes it more palatable for.

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Us thank you all very much. Thank you for your comments. Councilmember sturb.

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Yeah this this comes to council for a reason, and the reason is that we have to.

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Affirm that there is a public good in this process and the fact that we don't.

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Just stamp it yes or no is how we can assure that there is a level of public.

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Good that allows us to approve of this project. You know we we needed a little.

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More time to deliberate and as it turns out, we got it, and these are very close.

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Calls there are issues that make people think yes and no and that's why people.

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Were sitting on the edge on a lot of this, but you know: we've turned down a.

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Firm for various reasons, good and bad to other projects that had 700 bedrooms.

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Each this would have put us over 2,000 bedrooms turned down in a year, and there.

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Is a law of supply and demand for housing, and we need to get some more.

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Beds in this community and these student beds, planning commission has decided.

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This is a well-placed project and I've been 55:45 and now I've gone 45 55 in.

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Support and it's because of these conditions of approval and the.

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Sufficient of the good good that we can affirm as a council. Thank you. Thank you.

B

Further comment: don't sum over grainger? Thank you.

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I am going to support the amendment. I do not support the whole ordinance, but I do.

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Support the amendment- and I think it explains- explains to explain how we.

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Operate as a city council, it is our job to pay attention to the pesky details.

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That I've heard people talk about this is our job, and I think that my.

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Colleagues did a good job and in demanding more and perhaps we do have a.

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Better project and I appreciate the give-and-take that the developers worked.

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On with my colleagues, and I will support the amendment, thank you. Thank you. If.

B

There's no other comment and I'll make councilman rowland. Even if I you were to.

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Build more dorms, they wouldn't necessarily add more.

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Public transit to support those new dorms, they are building one new dorm.

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This is the first net new housing in 50 years. Meanwhile, there, if anything,.

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They're not increasing service on campus plus they're cutting it. So the fact that.

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This project is coming forward with, I mean roughly the value of the their.

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Commitment to funding a route is on the order of a hundred thirty thousand dollars a year, and that will grow with the cost-of-living adjustments. It's just.

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Something that you can't expect the state to do it, but municipal corporation.

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And private petitioners can make that sort of thing happen, but we needed to.

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Get the details right, we needed to get a measure that we could live with, and so I.

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Have you know great respect for the petitioners for making that proposal and.

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Being willing to to commit to it, I would also point out that, while this project.

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Has a maximum of 0.55 six bases per bedroom? I love going back to the.

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Original the og large project that everyone disdain smallwood, which is 8.

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Storeys tall, it has a parking ratio of 0.3 213 spaces.

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7 other 4 beds. How does that work? It's because since day, 1, the number 6 of the.

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Number 9 have gone right past it with a bus going past. This project is going to.

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Reduce the demand for parking any new project that gets developed on this.

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Route, that's all anything even remotely approaching the size of this project.

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Ought to be expected to do the same thing. No more private, shuttles, they're.

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Contributing to the public good and it benefits everyone. That alone does not an.

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Approval make I mean I was conflicted about this, but I had to say that if I.

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Had a choice, I'd rather see such large buildings built in the city where they.

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Can be under city jurisdiction than on campus, where the state can and if you.

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Want to see what the state can it will build they're willing to build 11 story.

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14 story towers: this is the kind of project that's going up in other college.

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Towns, if you want to go to less lafayette or champagne or east lansing,.

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They're gonna see 12 14, 16 18 story, buildings. Okay, that didn't happen here.

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Off campus because we put three captains and so now we're looking at a five or.

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Six story building, I have more to say but I'll leave it for the final comment.

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And everything, but this is the biggest reason why I this and the parking ratio.

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Capping that the parking were the biggest reasons why I supported this.

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Reasonable condition and what I wanted to do basically, on the september 4th.

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Even though I didn't know it yet, I didn't have the ability to articulate it.

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Thank you. Thank you. If there are no other council comments, then I'll make.

B

Mine, and that is that I share the sentiments of councilmember granger, that.

B

I appreciate this reasonable condition that was negotiated and I appreciate my.

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Council colleagues and the petitioner for working through better materials on.

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The facade and off-site improvements, the sidewalks, are going to be very important.

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For connectivity, I appreciate the bus route and so forth, so this is a notable.

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Improvement and so I will support the reasonable.

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Condition come on roughy of a question.

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Yes, I finished please yeah. I share councillor granger house, where all those.

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Comments about this, in addition, the public benefits do couple minutes to do.

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Result from these these changes, but you know the only way these things can.

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Happen this you know, but funding bus routes paying for hundreds and thousands.

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Of dollars worth of sidewalk, improvements are, if they're tied to a.

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Project of this scale, which I don't think is a necessary scale to get.

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Bedrooms in this community and in a way that's consistent with our community.

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Character and with our community members wishes and that's fair to fair.

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Competition for local developers, who cannot begin to provide these kind, a.

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Scale these kinds of benefits so they're great right. There they're definitely.

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Benefits and but they're they're linked inextricably to this scale of a project.

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Thank you. Have we concluded council of comment? Somebody you'd like to call the.

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Question second question: something called and second and unreasonable.

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Condition one will the clerk please call the roll councilmember sandburg. Yes,.

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Ruff, yes, pete lund, smith. Yes, mr. bone, yes, simms, yes, granger! Yes,.

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Rallo, yes, whoa, yes, reasonable condition. One is adopted eight to zero. Are there.

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Any other amendments, then we will go to the ordinance as.

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Amended are there questions from council.

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Okay, seeing none that we will go to the public for public comments on ordinance.

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1912, as amended by reasonable condition, one if you'd like to speak, please step.

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Forward, no one, okay, and while back we're back to council for.

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Final comments on ordinance 1912 as amended. Anyone.

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Council, member valen, would you like to begin yeah? I wanted to address a comment that petitioner made. I don't think that.

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Anyone in this process had bad intentions. I think that the petitioner.

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Had good intentions as well and I'm certain of their intentions, but I think.

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Everyone could see from the meeting in september, for if it doesn't matter, if everyone's well-intentioned, you could still have a train wreck of a decision.

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Or a decision made poorly, you know, I think that you know we simply to us at.

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Least- and it turns out more than two of us needed to see precise terms, we got.

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Those terms they've been unanimously approved by members, even though not all.

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Of them agree the project as a whole. I also think that it's not necessarily.

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True that local developers can't do a project like this. After all, it was.

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Jacobs who built smallwood, I was present in the rdc meeting in late 2015.

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When mr. stowell board, mr. ferguson and mr. lewis, local developers all came and.

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Said if you're going to build housing on the traits of property, why don't you let.

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Us take a crack at it. I think people are capable of doing it, I'm not denying that.

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It's easier for a lot of timers to do it, but you know it. We certainly could have.

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Our share of locally built behemoths, but I would again say that, thanks to shrewd.

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Zoning should work from the planning and transportation department and.

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Stewardship of the council over the past 13 years of the current you do. We've.

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Prevented over large projects from being built, if anybody thinks that the.

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Projects we have here are our large: let's take a tour of the big ten and.

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Let's see how big a project really can be in is: let's go to purdue sometime. I.

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Know we're not purdue, but we're not that different come and take a look at the.

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Towers they build, so I want to thank everyone for their cooperation. This.

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Very difficult and confusing process of reopening the question, just the reopen.

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The question took a while to do as everyone could see tonight. Most of the.

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Meeting was spent figuring out how to to do it and, as I think, everyone can see.

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That the result is a better project. Am I conflicted? Yes, I still am. I would rather.

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Not see a project, this dense purely students, I would rather not see I'd.

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Rather see a specific formula for setting aside money in lieu of building.

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Affordable housing within the project, but for the reasons I stated earlier on.

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Balance I come down on the side of this project and I'm looking forward to.

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Riding that bus and seeing a garage that is, that may even be less full than the.

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Petitioner's expect because of the bus thanks very much council member granger.

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I'm voting no and I've been saying that for weeks.

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But I do, I still have something to say about this. I think indiana university.

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Has put the city of bloomington in a very challenging position very.

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Challenging and we're forced to make these decisions that maybe some might.

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Say is best for the community. Some might disagree this to get a project. Although.

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The petitioners have made quite a few conciliations. I think that it's still, I.

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I think it's just still too big and it the out of town aspect bothers me. I.

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Really think that I'd like to see more local, I know the owner is anxious to.

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Sell this property, so he will have a great benefit. I do believe it is.

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Valuable property for housing, just not this kind of housing, because we need.

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Housing, but what we need is affordable housing. This project is not affordable.

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This project, I nobody talks about the students who can't afford this project.

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And they are out there, a lot of students come to iu on scholarships and they.

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Don't realize how expensive it is far. I know it because I work at shalom, so it.

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Frustrates me that we're having we're building all these apartments really for.

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Rich students and then it goes back to what I said.

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Last week, I really believe the city administration must have a plan in place.

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For what to do with people, we are displacing who are living in affordable.

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Housing or who have no housing, it's great that we're gonna build more.

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Affordable housing, but now we're tearing down a place, that's affordable. It's.

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Temporary- and we have nothing in place for this particular group of people and.

G

It frustrates me a lot I I hear and maybe because people know I voted no, but.

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I have heard a lot over the past months about people who say we don't need.

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Another project like this: it's too big, it's ugly. Well, maybe it won't be so ugly.

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Anymore, but I'm trying to listen to those people as well, and I think that I.

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Just want to remind people to this day I mean I wasn't here when smallwood was.

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Proved people are still talking about that decision and they just land less.

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City council, for voting for that, so I am voting. No thank you. Thank you for your.

B

Comment, I will now go to counselor mr. boehm in scout councilmember sandburg.

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And I have worked for several years on a committee on affordable housing and what.

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We have concluded, and what we know is that affordable housing doesn't happen.

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Without supplement, it doesn't happen without federal funds, it doesn't happen.

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Without putting together a heroic effort of funding from this piece, and this.

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Piece and this piece and this piece, because you don't make money doing.

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Affordable housing and this method of getting the beds that we need for the.

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Upper end of the housing expect, while also creating the beds on the.

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Lowest end of the housing spectrum is a way to create some balance and we're not.

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Allowed to do it in a formulaic way, but we are allowed to do it in an incentive.

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Driven way- and I just watched a project be put together at the end of my.

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Neighbor on walker street and I worked with the developer very closely because.

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He wanted support from our neighborhood which we gave, but I also knew how close.

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He had lost by three points to his federal funding the previous year. You.

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Had to put this together this together at this piece of the pie and then.

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There's, how much federal money is there and there were 11 projects they funded.

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10 he was 11, so he came back again and a piece of that funding came from our.

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Affordable housing fund that came from a donation in kind from a development.

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Project and those pieces, those projects depend on a margin that is very thin and.

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That margin that we can fill with this affordable housing fund is the.

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Difference between one of those projects happening and one of those projects not.

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Happening you know it's the difference between people having a bedroom having.

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An apartment for their children and having a homeless shelter for their.

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Getting them off the street and literally having their single room.

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Occupancy room those are going to happen on the end of walker street because we.

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Could close that gap and it's a significant contribution? It's a.

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Significant public good- and I am going to support this- I ask my fellow council.

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Members to do the same thing, thank you for your comment. Councilmember.

B

Pete mone smith yeah, with with this pud. If it is approved, we are going to meet.

H

Several community meet needs, first of all, missing sidewalk along.

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Walnut street and 19th street it'll make it safer for pedestrians, not just those.

H

In this apartment building, but others as well to walk to campus there's going to.

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Be a bus, a bus service that will greatly benefit all residents on the north side.

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Of bloomington the north side of campus, not just the residents of this.

H

Development and it is a great precedent for private funds going into public.

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Transit in addition, as I mentioned earlier, the building has been brought.

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Forward so that we can begin to reclaim north walnut street as a place where.

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People might actually walk, I think that's a public benefit as well. The I do.

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Want to say a few words about the housing development fund. There is a.

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Perception out there- and I mentioned this last- the last meeting on this topic.

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And in earlier meetings there is a perception out there that if a developer.

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Has a lot of money and gives money to the city through the housing development.

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Fund then they can play the game and they will get approved. I want to.

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Emphasize that this is not a political donation to anybody. It's not a slush.

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Fund for the mayor or anybody else in city government, it is a fund that is.

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Used to support, affordable and workforce housing, I think part of the problem is.

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That people do not see how this money is spent. It is people do.

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Not see the process by which the city decides which projects get money, and I.

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Actually am very concerned about that and I'm going to be working on a way to.

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Make that process more transparent so that those decisions are made in a.

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Public meeting, either by the city council or by some other committee with.

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Representation of council members, I think that's very important. I it's it's.

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Very hurtful for the city to have that perception out there that there's money.

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Just going into somebody's pocket, because that is not what is happening.

H

But I have totally set that money aside and that is not factoring into my.

H

Decision at all, it's rather the things that I've mentioned, that are a true.

H

Community benefit that lead me to support this project and the kind of.

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Tipping point, and the reason I changed my mind from september 4th- is that this.

H

Adds a significant number of units of housing, which is what we need. We have.

H

Not enough supply and ask my colleague, councilmember starbomb, said even if it's.

H

On the high end, it'll have a filtering effect so that there will be more.

H

Affordable, maybe not legally affordable, but more.

H

Affordable units, on the other hand, thank you. Thank you.

B

Further council comment: councilmember ruff, you know this is another case where.

F

The arguments on both sides, I think, a really legitimate, they're strong. This is.

F

Close this council most rope on sega city 545, now 25 55, you know there are.

F

Clearly, a lot of valid arguments about this.

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Being a good place for this kind of project one, I think it is easily argue.

F

It's not a good place for this kind of project. I mean something like this is.

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Only going to the only thing is going to develop around it. It's more stuff like.

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This and other students serving businesses that do well specifically.

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Target this, this demographic, this graphic- and this is on a marker, our cake.

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Their gateway leading into our community across from miller park, so you know we.

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Can argue both sides almost every aspect, this idea that the building more and.

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More can create affordability, there's questions about that, whether that's.

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Really valid, I mean your fastest. Growing communities are not most affordable.

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Communities by a stretch there's some of those expensive communities. It's.

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Complicated the it's extremely unfortunate that this.

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Is the one of the better ways we have to get affordable, housing funds, money or.

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Money to help it for the housing at me. I can't really think of a good example. The.

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Best example, I can make up for comparison right now. You know public broadcasting the way it's currently set up in this.

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Country needs private corporate funding to support it, but it doesn't come.

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Without significant consequences, most of which I think are undesirable and.

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Undermine the very purpose and validity and service of public broadcasting, so.

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I just given all of the arguments and counter-arguments and uncertainties. I.

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Just have to fall back on what I really feel like my constituents, a significant.

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Part of the community meeting- probably the majority community, feels about this.

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Type of project- and I don't think it's the only way- the only scale we can. We.

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Can develop at in this community to provide what we need, so I'm gonna be.

F

Voting no thank you for your comment. Other comment: okay, I'll just conclude by.

B

My comments and I'll pick up where the consummate rough left off, which is that.

B

My sense is that constituents of district 4 are feel that the pendulum.

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Has swung too far in terms of building large-scale monolithic, student housing.

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And especially not knowing the occupants of occupancy rate of the existing.

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Structures, I think that council member ruff stated it well what will develop.

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Around this development, everything ancillary to that single demographic.

B

That's deadwood, that's what will follow despite the fact that the comprehensive.

B

Plan specifies gateway north focus area to have a diversification of housing.

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Types: it's it includes student housing, but I think this precludes multi-volume.

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And family, residential and other diverse commercial uses, it is our great way to.

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The community, so this will be a significant part of our gateway. I.

B

I'm tired of large-scale single occupancy developments. I think that the.

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Longevity of these structures is probably not very long. I think it will.

B

I've been challenged that this is construed be considered, sustainable.

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Because it is high intensity, but I think that it will likely end up in the.

B

Landfill as dunhill did in a few decades from now, so I do appreciate.

B

Many attributes of this that that that the petitioner has offered that counsel.

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And the planning, commission and planning and transportation have worked on. I.

B

Think those are significant and I recognize those, but it's just not enough.

B

For me to support it, the last thing I want to say is that, in bringing this.

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Back I, as a council member, I might have just voted against the spending. The.

B

Rules as council president, I detected that there was support for this, and so I.

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Wanted to work with the wish of the majority of the council and so vote to.

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Suspend the rule so with it we this could be heard again, and that concludes.

B

My comment: if there's no other comment, then we can call. The question comes the.

C

President, that supersedes maybe some his own personal leanings.

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In order to do what's best.

C

And with that, I call the question. Thank you. Mr. simms, the questions been called.

B

And seconded on ordinance, pardon me 1912 1912 is amended well the clerk. Please.

B

Call the roll don'ts member ruff no good month, smith.

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Yes, mr. baum, yes, since yes, granger, no rallo.

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No bolin, yes, sandburg, yes, ordinance 1912 it as adopted or as amended, is adopted.

B

Five to three.

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We have council schedule, no just a reminder that even tonight there's a ut.

D

No special session, and in going on the council chambers there'll be another.

D

Meeting of that sort tomorrow night and then you have a meeting on wednesday.

D

Night and the following wednesday, you will introduce and discuss the budget.

D

For next year, thank you thank you. Is there a motion to adjourn.

D

I'll move on favor aye.

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