City of Bloomington, Indiana City Council, 18 Sep 2019

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Good evening, everyone welcome to the bloomington common council regular.

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Session meeting of the 18th of september 2019 will the clerk please call the roll.

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Council member ruff chopra here piedmon smith, here granger present rallo.

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Here, boland here, simms here, stair bum here sandburg here. Thank you. Thank you.

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Clerk bolden before we you know before I go to the agenda summation. We have an.

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Announcement from our vice president, as you know, we have american sign language.

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Services for our council, regular council meetings special special sessions. We.

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Have an agreement with the interpreters that they work two hours only so tonight.

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If our meeting lasts longer than two hours, I just want to, let people know.

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That sandy will be leaving at two hours and because we want to be respectful of.

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Her time so, thank you. Thank you. So, let's be mindful of that. Here's the agenda.

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Summation for this evening, and if you would like an agenda, you may find it beside the clerk on her desk. We will have approval. We have no minutes for.

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Approval this evening, then we will go to reports from council members. The mayor.

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And city offices, council committees and then we'll have reserved time for the.

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Public of 20 minutes for items not on our agenda, we'll then go to appointments.

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To boards and commissions before we go to legislation for second reading and.

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Resolutions- and we have four items this evening for second reading the first.

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This ordinance 1918 to authorize the issuance of bonds by the monroe county.

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Redevelopment commission, pursuant to indiana code, three six, seven fourteen.

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Three point: five and that received the committee. The whole action.

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On 11th of september, 2019 of do pass. Eight. Zero. Second item is ordinance 1915.

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An ordinance authorizing the refunding of certain outstanding sewage works.

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Revenue bonds for the city authorizing the issuance of the city of bloomington.

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Indiana so, which works refunding revenue bonds of 2019 to provide funds for such.

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Refunding and the payment of the cost thereof and addressing other matters.

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Connected therewith that received the committee, the whole recommendation on.

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11Th of september 8. 0 third item is ordinance 1916 to amend title 10 of the.

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Bloomington municipal code entitled wastewater race rate adjustment.

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Committee of the whole action on that was due past 7 0 1 on september 11th 4th.

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And final item for second reading is ordinance 1917 to amend title 10 of the.

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Bloomington municipal code bmc entitled wastewater regarding amending.

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Bloomington municipal code, ten point: zero, eight point: zero, four, zero.

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Connection fees to allow waiver of those those fees in two limited circumstances.

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To promote conversion of septic, to sewer and to complement certain city.

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Affordable housing programs that received a committee the whole.

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Recommendation do pass. Eight zero on the 11th of september will then go to.

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Legislation for first reading- and we have one item which this ordinance 1919.

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To amend title 2 of the bloomington municipal code entitled administration.

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And personnel regarding amending title to to create a procedure to address.

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Conflicts of interest by employees responsible for issuing permits will.

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We've then reserved an additional 25 minutes for public comment. After that.

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Before we go to council schedule and then adjournment so moving on, we have no.

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Approval of minutes, and so we will go now to reports from council members and.

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I will begin on my left with councilmember sandburg this evening. I.

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Would like to offer kudos and appreciation to joe hoffman, who serves.

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As the chair of the bloomington plan commission, he has been a member of the.

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Planning commission for many many years and he has announced his.

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Retirement he actually served his last meeting with the planning commission at.

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Our last regular meeting he is staying on for the remainder of these final.

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Special sessions as we wrap up the amendments to the unified development.

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Ordinance but I wanted to say many kind words about his leadership. His.

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Steadiness many of us on his council, who have also served on the planning.

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Commission have had the opportunity to work with joe and anyone from the.

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Community that offers their time and their talent and their attention to the.

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Degree that joe hoffman has done certainly deserves our debt of gratitude.

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And our thanks tonight, so he has one more official meeting coming up on.

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Monday, the 23rd in which we do wrap up our amendment work from the plan.

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Commission and then past the you do on to this body, and so my thanks to you, joe.

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And again, we appreciate your service to bloomington. Thank you. Thank you.

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Council members turbo murmur yeah I've served with joe and it's hard to imagine.

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How many hours he put in you know just this recent you do. There were two.

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Meetings, a six-hour meeting the four-hour meeting, a two-hour meeting.

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Susan can attest to that and then multiply that by 18 years, 50 20 years.

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20-Some years I mean that is real heavy lifting, but you know one of the issues.

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That came out of those you do hearings is something I want to talk about.

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There's a zoning change proposed for bloomington that will affect everyone.

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Who owns a home? The proposal is to allow duplicates and triplexes as a.

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Conditional use in single-family neighborhoods, everywhere suburbs allowed.

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You'll have to sue to enforce your covenants core neighborhoods allowed. You.

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Bought with the confidence that your local government wouldn't change, the zoning after you made your lifetime commitment to that neighborhood.

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So sad too bad this will come to council. So people have a chance to talk about.

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That again- and this is actually good news for owners of- and investors in.

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Rental property they can convert their rentals into denser duplexes and.

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Triplexes, their property values will actually increase the day. This is voted.

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Into law, the large rental owners, like the one who was recently sued by hand.

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Will make out like bandits, but this is not good news if you're a homeowner in.

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Bloomington- and here is a national update- this is very recent house.

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Representatives trey hollingsworth is co-sponsoring. The y mb act called hb.

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43:51, the senate version is co-sponsored by todd young with brian schatz and.

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Danny hecht, so these are democrats and republicans both the idea is that if.

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They don't like how our zoning is written. They will withhold cdbg money.

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From this community that cdbg money is meant for funding low and moderate.

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Income persons of our community, if they don't think the community, has.

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Liberalized its zoning enough that federal money will stop coming to.

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Bloomington, if this passes hollingsworth said a safe, stable home serves as a.

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Bedrock for our families, our federal laws should encourage building.

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Affordable housing for our neighbors, not driving up costs and creating barriers.

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Through burdensome and restrictive land-use policies but locally in our.

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College town, it's home ownership that provides safe and stable homes for.

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Families and a chance to build equity and family security turning local.

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Ownership into more rentals is the long-term reality of the proposed.

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Changes to single-family zoning investors and developer developers will.

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Love this bill republicans already love it. Local discretion must be exercised to.

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Not destroy our own any dense core neighborhoods for this.

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New urban renewal project, unlike seattle, we have room for added.

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Density without cannibalizing, our existing working in middle-class.

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Neighborhoods, let's find a bloomington way to add density wisely, changing.

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Density everywhere is a siren song and we must use our best common sense to.

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Resist it, where do we join with todd young and trey hollingsworth on a bill.

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President trump will likely sign that gives me reason to pause and think we.

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Can trust them to look out for our own best interests, can't we, I think we.

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Better look out for our own. Thank you. Thank you. Councilmember stir bomb and.

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Just a slight correction, joe hoffman's has served 32 years on the plane.

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Commission, yes and september 9th 2019 was joe hoffman day in bloomington.

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Because of his service councilmember simms. Thank you. I would also like to.

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Offer miriam! Congratulations! I respect to joe hoffman as well.

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Many of us have served on the planning commission. I was there 15 years ago and.

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And fortunately we didn't have to so much deal with behemoth structures at.

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The time but my indoctrination was south of tap road walking on empty property.

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Looking at the slope and some endangered plant life that was down along a creek.

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That was part of learning about whether to approve a petition to build on that.

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Area or not so I will also say that only lasted about nine months, because that's.

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A lot of work so a whole lot of work, so I do respect mr. hoffman and wish him.

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Well, one other comment too: I don't know. Maybe two years ago there.

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Was an event down at the bus at the transit center having to do with the.

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Rosa parks, celebration and and the opening of that and.

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But in giving a speech one of the things that I said was- and I fully believe this.

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Is that the power in the people was greater than the people in power? And I.

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Just kind of want that to marinate just for a second, the power of the people is.

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Greater than the people in power, I'm saying that to say we just heard my.

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Colleague, council minster bones talk about new legislation at the state. We.

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Are the people and if we don't want those people representing us that we.

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Have to vote, we have to register, we have to get people in there that represent us.

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Same thing for us sitting up here, the exact same thing. This also goes with the.

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You do so, I just encourage everyone to participate and hopefully the will of.

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The people will prevail and then we can move forward to deal with the growth. The.

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Future growth of this city, thank you. Thank you. Come summer, voland said give.

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Me a lever and a place to stand, and I can move. The world question is: where are.

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We standing who, whoever at certain locations, provide better leverage than.

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Others so it's nice to say that the people have power, but can they really.

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Wield it, are they standing in the right location where they can make that that.

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Change happen. I want to thank everyone here on this dais for the special.

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Session that we held on monday, it was a very difficult problem that we tried to.

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Solve I think we untangled the if I'm going to use another greek reference, the.

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Gordian knot of that piece of legislation so, but I mean it was an.

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Unusual thing that required a lot of cooperation from everyone and I think.

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It's one of the decisions that has been most. I don't know how to put it honestly.

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Decided by everyone in in years, every everyone came to it in good faith with.

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Honestly held beliefs and- and I am humbled and grateful that we were able.

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To do that meeting in other news this friday there will be a panel.

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Discussion on wi-fi use noon edition about parking. It is the most popular.

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Topic that I deal with in district 6 being the center of the city, where all.

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The regulated parking tends to congregate. I encourage you all to listen.

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To that ask questions, I also want to encourage people since parking is, and.

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And perennial topic that the next meeting of the parking commission is.

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Thursday, the 26th and we have number of item that will be on the agenda, so we.

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Published soon by the planning department, probably tomorrow, but we do.

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Have a parking commission that meets there are openings on the commission if.

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You were interested in serving and talking about parking, no time like the.

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Present I hear a volunteer right now. Actually, please contact the council.

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Office or the mayor's office, I believe most of the positions are mayoral, that.

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Are open if you are a city resident, we've now made a little bit easier for.

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You to apply so parking commission every fourth thursday of the month here in the.

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Hooker room in city hall. Thank you make sure your comments, councilman ruff.

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Do you have a comment, councilmember chopra? Do you have a.

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Comment- and I really get called on towards the end, which is kind of fun.

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Because I can just make my comments on other people's comments, I would just.

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Want to point out one thing in response to councilmember stir mom's criticism of.

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The proposed you do and the zoning changes in single-family neighborhoods.

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You kept talking about homeowners. This is bad for homeowners. The homeowners are.

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Have-Nots we're talking about the people who could afford to have a home. I don't.

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Know the statistics I wish I could have asked miss sims who's here. She could.

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Probably tell me what percentage of blue and tawny ins actually even own a home.

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But should we peek more concerned about the home owners or should we be.

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Concerned also with those people who work at low-paying jobs inside our city.

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Very near the downtown and serve us every day at the library or at.

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Restaurants, who can't even afford to live or even find a home within their.

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Range close to their home or they're forced to live further and further out.

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And then have problems with transportation and so on. So when I, when.

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You hear this debate about the you do words matter and I think the key word.

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And that argument is homeowners. This is bad for homeowners, bad for the haves, but.

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Not for the have-nots, that's why we need to change the density requirement. The.

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Densities in those neighborhoods and.

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Then my second comment was as to the meeting on monday night that was called.

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On friday, at 4:00 something p.m. I did not go to that meeting on monday. So by.

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All council members bowen, surely could not have met me as well. I didn't go. I.

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Didn't appreciate last minute calling of a meeting. I don't also didn't appreciate.

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The idea of reconsidering a vote that the council made there were a couple.

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Problems I had with that number one is that we need to have confidence and what.

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Our council does and that when we make a vote and we make a decision, it's what we.

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Mean- and this means what we want when you go and do these reconsideration.

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Motions on monday evenings at the convention center number one. That's not.

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Good for the public at all, it's last late notice and you're very likely to.

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Have public show up to a meeting like that when they are noticed on a friday.

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Evening and number two, I think it just it gives the public a perception.

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Rightfully so that the council is going to is willing to make a decision and.

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Then get talked out of it right and, and I think that it's important to.

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Know that your your council members, when they vote, really think long and hard.

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About their vote, and then that should be the final say-so. I didn't go on monday.

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Night for that reason, and also because I had to take my kids to soccer, but I.

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Didn't feel like it was a priority for me. Thank you.

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Thank you, councilmember piedmon smith. You have a comment. Yes, I have a report.

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From the climate leadership summit, the indiana climate leadership summit that I.

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Attended last thursday, with others from bloomington, both city and county.

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Government who are concerned about climate change and the keynote speaker.

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Was david or retired, professor from oberlin college, which is my alma mater.

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And I just wanted to relay a few things that he said, because I thought they were.

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Very insightful climate change has kind of three aspects: there's the technical.

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Aspect where you know we hope we can engineer our way out of some of these.

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Negative impacts there's the economic aspect. Of course, if we were to tax.

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Carbon that would go a long way and then there's the political, and that aspect is.

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What he spent the rest of his talk.

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Discussing- and he said something very interesting that that you know some may.

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May label as an american or unpatriotic, because we always we have this. This.

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Perception of our country as being the richest country in the world, but in fact.

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We're only the richest country in the world because we didn't pay the costs.

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That went along with our rapid development. We didn't pay the cost of.

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What our rapid depletion of natural resources actually had on the.

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Environment and even in the past 100 years, not talking about future in the.

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Past 100 years, indiana has had 5.5 inches more rainfall and has.

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Gotten one point: two degrees warmer and the worst is yet to come. So sure, if you.

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Don't pay for the costs of your development you're, the richest country.

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In the world- and then he really got to the crux of the matter is: how are we.

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Going to really make the changes we need to have a habitable climate in in 30 or.

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40 years and it really comes down to how much power people have in this country.

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Is this really still a democracy? The economist magazine did a study in 2018.

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On different governments throughout the world and labeled the united states as a flawed democracy, there's a such a vast.

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Unequal distribution of wealth and when you have such vast divergences of the.

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Top 1%, having you know thousands of times more wealth than most everybody.

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Else it, it really means democracy doesn't work because their vote counts.

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More because they can donate and we all know, candidates need a lot of money to.

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Win this idea that started with ronald reagan in the 80s. That government is the.

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Problem led to defunding government led to government being less effective, which.

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Made it look like more of a problem, so it was kind of a vicious cycle. The the.

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Other aspect that led professor or to question how democratic we really still.

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Are as a country is the misrepresentation in the senate where.

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Montana, which has what 5 million people total that's three million, I think, has.

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The same representation in the senate as california, which has I don't know many.

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Many more millions of people, and actually the prediction is that 30%.

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Of the us population will elect 70% of us senators by 2040.

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That doesn't sound democratic to me, then there's a problem of gerrymandering of.

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Course, partisan legislators on the state level make the districts that decide who.

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Gets to send people to congress the power of corporations. I already.

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Mentioned with citizens united, they can give as much as they want to political.

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Action committees and support candidates and russian interference. He put up a.

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Graphic about all of the elections- it's not just in the united states all around.

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The world that russian hackers and russian bots have infiltrated to.

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Influence the outcome of their elections, so it was pretty gloomy. This talk, but it.

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Just served to remind us that we need to redouble our efforts to elect people who.

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Really understand, understand and recognize and acknowledge the facts. The.

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Science, that says, climate change is happening and the effects will be severe.

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If you want your children and grandchildren to have a long, healthy.

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Life, you got to care about climate change. He also said if you are a.

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Political, you are a logical fallacy, meaning by being a political you're. Just.

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Accepting the status quo, so I don't think anybody can afford to be a.

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Political, when the future of the human race is at stake, and that's why I am.

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Very appreciative of the people here locally and across the world who are.

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Organizing the global climate strike this friday, there will be a rally.

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Starting in dun meadow on the iu campus at 12:30 and then making their way to.

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City hall, so I urge you all to reflect upon what you can do in your own life or.

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Through political action to make sure that we leave a planet to our children,.

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And grandchildren that is going to be habitable for everybody. Thank you. Thank.

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You for your comment, councilmember granger. Thank you.

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I wanted to send my thanks to the county commissioners for calling a work session.

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On monday for the both counties- city, council, county council, the mayor, the.

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Commissioners, to try to make some headway on the plan for the convention.

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Center, I think we got some questions answered. We had more questions, but it.

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Felt good for people to come together and talk, and I am looking forward to our.

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Next meeting, which will be between the county councillors and the city.

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Councillors, it is yet to be determined, though. Thank you. Thank you. I would just.

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Like to note that, regarding the meeting city council meeting special session on.

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Monday, where we heard the the single petition, the plan unit development that.

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Came back at the request of several council members that, although I didn't.

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Support it, I very much appreciated all of the work that went in in terms of.

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Negotiation with the petitioner, because it turned out to be a much better.

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Project in the process: okay, let's move now to reports from mayor and city.

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Offices there any seeing none are there? Any reports from council committees.

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Seeing none we will go now to the public if you'd like to make.

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Good idea, one two: three four five kill limit to comments. Two four minutes per.

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Person just as a preview, this is what the the tone lu sounds like. There's a.

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Small beep, that starts your period when it's time to start winding up you'll.

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Hear this gong, when your time is over you'll, hear the beeping three times like.

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So so, just in case anybody's wondering that's what the sound effects are for.

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Thank you. Thank you. Please state your name good evening, council members, paul.

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Post president of the fraternal order of police lodge 88 since the last time we.

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Spoke several things have happened. We have had the opportunity to speak with.

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Several of you about the issues we're facing and answer your questions. I have.

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Shared your positive words with the membership. Thank you for those and your.

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Attention in this matter, please let us know if we can continue to answer.

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Questions we all want a signed contract, just like you, and hopefully just like.

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Mayor hamilton, having one provides the necessary framework to successfully.

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Provide law enforcement services to the community in an organized manner going.

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Without one will bring chaos and uncertainty not only to our members and.

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Their families, but to the city as well, going into 2020 without a signed.

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Contract is threatened by the city. Attorney will result in more officers.

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Leaving this department, they have put up with a lot over the past two years of.

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This contract negotiation and to reach that point will drive them away. This.

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Will only serve to further the recruiting and retention problem, we have.

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Now and continued to drive up the overtime costs we spoke about last last.

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Week, vpd hired and swore and for new officers, this brings bpd up to 99.

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Officers, or only for short of the budgeted staffing of 103 officers, we.

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Hope that this group will all pass the rigorous training of the next several.

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Months and then will choose to stay with the department for a long career.

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Unfortunately, in the same time period another senior officer announced his.

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Leaving the department next month, he is yet another example of.

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An experienced officer who is choosing to leave bloomington for an agency with.

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Higher pay and better benefits the cycle will continue, we're up for now down 1.

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Still below fully staffed and still well below the national average of officers.

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Per population level, we've also seen an outpouring of positive comments toward.

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Our plight that the public understands and supports what we've tried to.

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Accomplish in this contract, negotiation fixing a major recruiting and retention.

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Problem requires financial commitment and an acceptance of the reality of the.

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Current police hiring market. Thank you to the public who spoke out in support.

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Of your officers, it is greatly appreciated tonight. My colleagues will.

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Present further examples to you and speak about the lack of sustainability.

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And operating a police department in this fashion, we will address some of the.

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Falsehoods put forth by the city team lately about our benefits, make no.

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Mistake this negotiation is centered on the fact that bpd is no longer market.

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Competitive, we are asking to make this four-year contract a stepping stone.

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Toward correcting that downward slide with the knowledge that it will take the.

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Same effort in 2022, we cannot fix the recruiting and retention problem at this.

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Agency without that commitment, we hope that you will continue to look closely.

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At these issues, as we enter the 2020 budget hearings and encourage the mayor.

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And the city team to continue to work with us on achieving a fair and.

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Competitive contract, your officers and their families deserve nothing less.

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Thank you. Thank you for your comment. Thank you again. The gone means you have.

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A minute or 30 seconds to wrap up, so it's not the end of your time. Thank you.

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Good evening, council members, my name is drew bazan. I am bloomington police.

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Department second staff representative, in addition to the salary issue with.

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This contract negotiation, we are also facing the threat of losing a.

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Time-Honoured employee benefit across most shift type work, regardless of.

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Profession, seniority is used to determine shift placement happy be at.

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Bpd beds been the practice for 20-plus years and has worked well. Everyone knows.

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And shift work when you were young and starting out in the profession, you have.

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To work the non-preferred shifts until you gain some seniority in that organization: that's not a new phenomenon. Unfortunately, the city team has made it.

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Clear that they are determined to remove this employee benefit, so the administration can place officers where they want, not where the officers want.

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This lack of control will prove devastating and correction prove.

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Devastating to personal life planning and will further drive officers away from this agency, we will continue to reject proposals that attack this.

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Benefit the argument being put forth is that second shift is unsafe to young and.

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Inexperienced, we don't deny the average age. The department is quite young. Now.

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But I like to point out that this was caused by the ongoing retention issue.

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Experienced officers continue to leave the agency when they feel underappreciated and underpaid as a current member of second shift, I'm in a.

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Position to provide accurate insight to the state of that shift. I'd like to.

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Begin with some numbers, current staffing for active field, training officers, these.

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Are the officers that training the new recruits for each shift? First shift has.

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Four third shift has eight: while seconds is in the middle with five, the number of.

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Patrol rifles fielded on third shift is nine seconds. It is seven less leaves.

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Less lethal launchers, these are 12-gauge shotguns that have been converted to.

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Shoot beanbag projectile third shift is five, while seconds has almost double at.

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Nine cert officers- these are officers that are part of our cert team without.

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Supervise without including supervisors per shift, first sift has one third shift.

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Has three and seconds has two: if we include the supervisors into that count,.

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First, shifted has three third shift. Has four as well as second shift has four.

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The patrol division operates with four supervisors, one lieutenant and three.

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Sergeants assigned to each shift afternoon shift was assigned only three.

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Supervisors at the beginning of 2019, and had only two supervisors from mid-march.

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To mid-may until another supervisor was added, second shift was not fully staffed.

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With supervisors until the beginning of june, if there truly was a safety issue.

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With afternoon shift, their officers would not be reasonable that the staff.

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Correction would not be reasonable to staff the shift with four supervisors.

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And the most experienced supervisors in 2019, several officers have furthered.

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Their careers back to becoming instructors, hostage, negotiators, detectives or promoted to patrol sergeant in 2018 or correction in 2018, a.

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Second shift officer was named officer of the year, and many officers received.

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Recognition for their efforts throughout the 2018 fiscal year december of 2018 an.

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Incident occurred involving an afternoon shift officer taking gunfire from mentally unhealthy suspect. That officer was able to radio out critical.

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Information to other responding officers and second shift was able to take the.

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Suspect into custody with no officer injury, the professionalism and teamwork.

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Of those officers was crucial in the successful outcome of that high-risk.

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Incident, the handling of that incident was commended by men, administrators.

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Throughout bpd for its exemplary execution, I could confidently say that.

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Second shift is a safe shift. I invite anybody to come on a ride-along with any.

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Second shift officer, so that may that they may witness their professionalism.

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And training hard at work in the field. Thank you. Thank you.

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Good evening, council members, my name is jeff rogers, I'm a member of the.

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Bloomington police department tonight I would like to provide additional.

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Information to support our position on recruitment of retention. The last time I.

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Spoke to you, I gave you the overtime expenditures, year-to-date.

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I'd like to tell you, those numbers were incomplete whenever an officer works.

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Overtime, they have two options: they can either take the overtime, meaning be paid.

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For it- or they can take comp time or paid time off, because it's paid time off.

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It still has a cash value 2018. The overtime was I'm sorry. Six hundred.

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Ninety five thousand dollars, plus two hundred and two thousand dollars in comp.

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Time for a total of eight hundred and ninety seven thousand dollars, 2019.

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Year-To-Date 571 thousand dollars, plus another hundred and forty-one thousand.

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In comp time, over seven hundred and twelve thousand dollars, year-to-date.

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Right now it's projected over nine hundred and ninety one thousand dollars.

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For this year, the last time we spoke to you, the deputy mayor, made some comments.

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The next day on a radio program, I would like to address some of those comments.

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He indicated that the unlimited sick time for officers was a benefit to us.

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Police officers are on the city's sick policy were required to provide.

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Documentation after three occurrences of being sick in a calendar year, just like.

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The rest of city employees in 2018 police officers used a total of 446 days.

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Off for the entire year now, over two hundred and thirty-five days were used.

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For just five officers that had a severe injury or illness.

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The average was four point, seven days per officer, that's how many sick days.

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Were used per officer this year, we've used 156 days right now. It's an average.

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Of one point six days and we're projected to use 234, which would be an.

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Average of two and a half days per year now, if we were on the city's sick time.

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Policy, meaning we obtained paid time off at the period of 13 days per year, so.

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Last year the city would have owed the police officers an additional seven.

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Hundred and eighty nine days this year, it's projected that they would.

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Owe us an additional 1,001 days off, so this is not a benefit to the police.

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Officers, this is a benefit to the city for us being on unlimited sic. There was.

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A direct comparison made to lafayette police department. We didn't make that.

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Comparison, the third-party company that was hired by the city to do a salary.

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Study stated that lafayette pd is the closest comparison to bloomington in.

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This state, the mayor, I'm sorry, the deputy mayor made some comments about.

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Longevity pay and how that can change what an officer is actually paid well, a.

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One-Year officer at lafayette makes eleven thousand dollars more than a.

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One-Year officer at bloomington, a 20-year officer at lafayette, makes ten.

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Thousand five hundred dollars more than a 20-year officer of bloomington, so your.

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Longevity is not making much of a change on that concerning the iu police.

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Department, an officer ratio, iup d, sheriff's department, state police, all.

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Respond to bpd in emergency situations, we do the same for those agencies.

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Jurisdiction determines which agency takes the call. I wish that I you pd.

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Counted for us, but they do not, and they cannot be added to our numbers because.

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They don't handle calls that take that take place off of campus just like if a.

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Student goes to a party at an apartment in the city, gets robbed or beat up. They.

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May live on campus, but we still investigate that crime because of where.

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It happened, we have the facts and data to support, we are underpaid and.

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Overworked compared to other agencies, both smaller and larger, in size of.

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Course the city is going to try to downplay those numbers say things like.

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Everyone's feel feels that they're underpaid, because they don't want to.

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Accept the scope of the problem the city has stated their cornerstone is to bring.

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The city into the future and ensure that employees have market competitive.

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Salaries, we're not asking to be paid the most. In fact, the last proposal that we.

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Gave to the city, it would have taken us from being paid 66 in rank in the state.

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To 34th and rank, even though we are the seventh largest city.

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Thank you for your time. Thank you for your comments.

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Good evening, council members, my name is jacob woods. I'm the night shift.

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Representative for the bloomington police department, bargaining unit, I'd.

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Like to speak to you tonight about sustainability, that is a key word for.

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Many previous city administrations, and also this current city administration,.

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It's easily defined as the ability to be maintained at a certain rate or level.

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Our staffing levels at the police department now are the same as they were.

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In 2009, only with a much higher call volume would you consider that to be.

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Sustainable is that safe for our officers is that healthy for their.

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Mental well-being, in addition, we're first responders and we deal with more.

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And more individuals suffering from drug addictions, the opioid crisis, mental.

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Health issues and homelessness every day our police officers are the frontline to.

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Take care of these individuals and these issues and to make sure that those.

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People get the right services and in touch with resources that they need all.

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Done at the same level of staffing, as we had 10 years ago,.

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You see, we all recognize that there's a crisis, but somehow we ignore it or take.

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For granted that our officers are taking on more and more but getting less that.

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Is not sustainable access to services and response to emergency calls for.

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Service are primarily handled by uniformed patrol officers. Thus, the.

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Patrol is the primary function of a police department. Our patrol officers.

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Have routinely been taken from our manpower on patrol and placed into other.

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Specialties or different departments, as additional roles have been created. This.

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Has happened since the early 2000s at that point in time our manpower has been.

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Shrinking from there with very few positions added to make up for that.

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Since the early 2000s, we've had eight supervisor roles, which would be.

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Sergeants and lieutenants created and that manpower was pulled specifically.

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From patrol we've had six downtown resource officer positions created, which.

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Removed patrol officers from our call rotation, we've also had six detective.

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Positions created, which were also taken from patrol these positions, were taken.

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To address specific of the department, that's that's not.

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Denied, however, the need for patrol officers was never diminished. These.

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Staffing decisions were understandable and necessary for a growing city and a.

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Developing community, in this time frame, those 20 patrol spots were used to.

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Expand or create other divisions, only 7 positions were created for the.

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Department to make up for those numbers currently we're at we are at a hundred.

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And three officers budgeted with only 99 of those spots filled. This is not.

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Sustainable just a snapshot for this month in time of september of 2019, our.

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Shift staffing has a real will require overtime for officers to cover 16 shifts.

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There are 90 shifts because there are three shifts at work each day in the 30.

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Days so 16 of those shifts will have mandatory overtime or voluntary overtime.

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Accounted for an additional 16 shifts our staff below minimum currently and do.

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Not have that mandatory overtime placed yet this has been a consistent issue and.

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As evidenced by increasing amounts of overtime paid each year, specifically to.

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Staff, the patrol division- this is now sustainable. The bloomington police.

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Department was once one of the highest paid agencies in the state and is now.

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Fallen to 66th over the last two contracts, other municipalities, including.

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Much smaller ones have recognized the staffing crisis at hand and are now.

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Paying higher wages to their officers to help recruit and maintain staffing.

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Levels the pay increases of 142 aged agencies from the indiana certified.

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Salary list from 2013 to 19 show that bloomington stands as a hundred and.

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Thirty, fourth: for those pay increases out of 142, only alexandria, marion north.

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Vernon petersburg kokomo, salem and hartford municipalities have had lower.

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Pay increases in that time frame than we have. No wonder, we can't struggle no.

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Wonder we're struggling locally and we can't compete. This is not sustainable.

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We recognize that we don't want to be one of the highest-paid agencies in the.

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State or even close, we just want to be competitive, and thank you for your time. Thank you for your comment.

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Hi I'm greg alexander at the special session you guys approved a apartment.

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Complex and one of the conditions, as I understood it, was that they would give.

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Some amount of money, three hundred thousand dollars to fill out some.

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Sidewalks missing on walnut and on 19th street, and I mean mission accomplished.

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Right, that's a joke. It's not our mission. I thought was for the people who lived.

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In that complex to be able to walk to campus, you know, staff had made the claim.

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That they could easily walk to the bus stop, even though there were no sidewalks.

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On the route to the bus stop well so we've addressed the sidewalks.

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Going to the bus stop, but campus is about a mile away beyond.

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That and we need to build the sidewalks all the way to campus. We need to build.

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Sidewalks on both sides of dunn street, between 13th and 17th, we need to build.

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Sidewalks on indiana avenue, both of those are in the transportation plan.

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That you just passed a few months ago that it says they should have sidewalks.

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On both sides of the street, this is not the boonies, it should have sidewalks on.

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Both sides of the street, but I think this is a great illustration of how the.

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Sidewalk committee works the number one thing that the sidewalk committee does.

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Is they make sure they don't spend money that somebody else could spend so they.

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Waited you know this 19th street connection was on their list, but they.

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Waited they didn't do it last year, because if they done it last year, they would have wasted some money that now we've got a developer to pay for. Well, I.

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Don't care who pays for it, but as long as we're waiting for someone else to pay.

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For it we're not filling in the gaps in the network, we shouldn't be looking for.

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Excuses not to spend on sidewalks, we should be proactively identifying the.

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Gaps in the network- and there are some doozies just around campus- there doozies.

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Right downtown, there are just so many sidewalks that we're missing and the.

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Sidewalk commission doesn't have any money to speak of. You need to give about.

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30 million dollars to the sidewalk commission. You gave 30 million dollars this year to parking garages. I've heard a suggestion: you're gonna get.

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That back through user fees, do we have a gullibility problem? I don't know you're.

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Not gonna get all that back through user fees. We need to spend about thirty.

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Million dollars on sidewalks just to have a bare minimum sidewalk network, not.

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To have all the neighborhood streets just to have the bare minimum, so people.

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Can build a building and then walk from that building to campus. Otherwise we.

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Can't keep building now one of the problems on dunn street.

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It has intermittent sidewalks on both sides, absolutely useless, you're walking.

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Down the street on either side, but then you get to 13th street and there's.

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Actually, there is a sidewalk on 13th street dunn ends at 13th because of the.

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Railroad tracks and that sidewalk is consistently overgrown all summer long.

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It has been for 20 years. I walked in the street there 20 years ago as an.

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Undergraduate and it's not maintained, the railroad clears at allit about once.

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Every month and a half which is not enough in a summer, you guys mowed yards.

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You know this and they don't actually clear the sidewalk off they just clear.

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Enough that they can say they were there and then so. It immediately grows back.

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Over it just right away, and it's not maintained well, we can do something.

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About this, our transportation plan specifically says you guys need to pass.

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A complete streets policy, it doesn't need to be stellar, it doesn't need to be.

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It can just be a resolution. Just tell staff. Tell the departments tell the the.

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Public works department that pedestrian infrastructure is one of your priorities.

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And then they will have to figure out. How are they going to maintain sidewalks.

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But if you don't tell them that, then you can't very well blame them that they.

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Shirk that duty, because it's not their duty until you give it to them. I just.

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Can't believe how long all of you guys have been on this council, and we don't.

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Have a complete streets policy, it is mind-boggling. Thank you very much. Thank.

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You for your comments, are there any other comments this evening for items.

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Not on our agenda, if you have, if you would like to leave now, you're welcome.

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To we'll give a moment to clear the room before we go on, and thank you for thank.

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You for coming.

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Okay, we will now move on to appointments of boards and commissions. We interviewed.

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Three outstanding candidates for the bloomington commission on sustainability.

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And we would like to recommend at this time that our two openings be filled by.

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Jarrett, alexander and corbin baird: okay, all in favor of those appointments.

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Please say: aye aye any opposed. Congratulations! Mr.

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Baird and alexander for your appointment to the bloomington commission on.

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Sustainability are there other appointments to the boards and commissions? Okay, seeing none, then we will now move on to legislation.

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For second reading and resolutions, ordinance 1918 be introduced in read by.

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Title and synopsis only it's been moved and seconded that ordinance 1918 be.

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Introduced and read by the clerk by title and synopsis only on favor, say aye.

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Aye any opposed will the clerk please read ordinance 1918 to authorize the.

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Issuance of bonds by the monroe county that redevelopment commission pursuant.

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To indiana code 36 714 3.5, the synopsis is as follows: this ordinance by the city.

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Of bloomington approves the monroe county redevelopment commission's.

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Issuance of bonds payable with tax increment finance tif from monroe.

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County's westside tif district, a part of which has been annexed by the city, the.

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City's approval for issuing new bonds is required whenever the city has annexed.

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Property within a county, tif district and the tax from that property will be.

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Used to repay tif bonds see indiana code 36, 7, 14 3.5. Your committee.

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Recommendations do pass 8, 0 0. Thank you, ordinance, 1918 be adopted. Thank you and.

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Mister cockerel welcome. I think I will give kind of a brief rundown again. I.

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Think the synopsis says it well that we're coming here, because a portion of.

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That tif district was annex and the portion was really that, where the the.

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Along gates, drive where the you may move a little bit closer: okay,.

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Thank you I'm either too close or too far away. I've learned that, from from.

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Public meetings, but essentially it's the area where the lows and that shopping.

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Area is, I was annexed between 1992 and, I think 98 I don't know the exact date, but.

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The projects were looking at, I think, enhances connectivity in that area and.

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Also opens up some property for future development. We're talking about two.

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Different road projects, one would be the extension of profile parkway two gates.

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Drive as well as a connector from vernal pike to gates drive that along the.

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Sunrise greeting court, there will be some roundabouts involved in that, as as.

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Those two come together at that point. At the last meeting it was asked about what.

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Kind of sidewalk infrastructure there was, I just like to make sure everybody.

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Knows that we are going to put on the profile parkway extension a 10-foot.

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Multi-Use path on one side and a five-foot sidewalk on the other on the.

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Sunrise, screening court extension: there will be eight, it's a fairly large bridge.

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On one side of that bridge, there'll be a 10-foot multi, youth, bath, multi-use path.

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And then, along the roundabout, there will be the the 10-foot multi-use path on.

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Both sides, so I think that was kind of the big concern at the last meeting. I.

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Would just know for you, so you guys are comfortable. We had our financial advisor.

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Look at this and his statement was the proposed bonds will not impact the.

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Parcels or change the rift if revenue received by the city, so I think.

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As a this is a great project, because I think it enhances both the city areas as.

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Well as the county areas, and it really leads to connectivity to get to increase.

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Safety by getting cars able to you get out there without using curry bike and.

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Get them off 3rd street a little bit as well. I'm here to answer questions we.

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Have a redevelopment commission member here, if you have any questions as well.

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No terrific, thank you. Are there questions from council.

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Well, no questions from council, so we will now go to the public on ordinance.

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1918 welcome miss keasling, heiress kiessling, I'm a member of the county.

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Redevelopment commission, whose members are jim sheldon, rich and martin and a.

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Fraud theft remand, I can never say I mean- I think this is a wonderful.

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Opportunity for us to partner and to improve our economic development in the.

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Westside and that's really our goal trying to get that done so I appreciate.

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Your support, thank you very much. Any other public comment on ordinance, 1918.

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Okay, we're back to council for final comments. Councilmember voland, then.

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Sandburg, yes, I just want to say that I appreciate the opportunity to bring more.

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Connectivity to the city that the west side was built out with very few routes.

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And the addition of routes, especially with a greater balance towards it, may it.

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Not be full equality of pedestrians and bicyclists, but it's you know for a new.

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Street, it's an excellent development, so I'm nothing but supportive. Thank you.

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Come summer sandberg, I would agree with commissioner keasling and commissioner.

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Pfefferman, who was here with us last a week when we discussed this? This is a.

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Great opportunity, good project and I'm happy to support it.

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Thank you. Other council comments, counselor and piedmont smith. Yes, just a.

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Few reflections on this we had interviewed three excellent candidates.

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For the flemington commission on sustainability earlier this evening and.

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We were talking about growth for the sake of growth, which of course, is not a.

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Smart thing to do and the importance of taking into account full impacts of.

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Growth, the impacts on our environment, on our use of resources and on our housing.

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Sector as well, where we we know, we are in great need of more housing, especially.

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Affordable housing, so I just hope that the county will take this into.

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Consideration all aspects of any new employers that come into this part of.

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The county and what impacts they will have further down the line as far as you.

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Know using up green space impacts on stormwater impacts on bringing are they.

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Going to bring most of their employees from outside are they gonna hire local.

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People, those kind of things are all very important as we develop further as a.

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City, I also want to just share something, and this is not going to make me vote no.

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But I had an interesting exchange with the county highway department about the.

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The pedestrian infrastructure- and I asked you know- is there gonna, be green.

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Space between the sidewalk or side path and the street- and they said yes.

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There'll, be a green, you know strip and I asked about trees and they said well.

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We're not gonna plant any trees, we're gonna count on the private property.

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Owners to plant the trees- and I said why is that.

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And they said overtime, trees between the road and sidewalk will damage the.

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Sidewalk and I thought well that does happen, but I don't think that's.

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Good reason not to plant trees, I think there are certainly ways in you know the.

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Last 150 years of development that cities have done a very fine job in.

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Selecting the right, trees and planting them in efficient in the right way. So as.

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To minimize such damage, so I was just very surprised that this seems to be the.

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Policy of the county to to not do street trees.

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I don't know, I don't know if it's a widespread policy or if it was just in.

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This case, but it was sort of disconcerting, so I might follow up on.

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That and ask for further explanation anyway. Overall, you know connectivity is.

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Good and I this will be complete streets, because the county is ahead of us on.

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That one they have a complete streets policy with the npo, so I will be in.

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Support. Thank you. Other comments. Councilmember sims. Yes, oh thank you. I'm.

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Sorry I almost had a joke there, but I don't think it's appropriate for this. Oh.

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Go ahead. No, I do. I support this project wholeheartedly, but part of my comments.

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And I want to direct this to our attorney if at all possible, I'm going to.

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Look into this, but I might need your help with the issue of sidewalks and.

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Walkability- and this isn't really part of that countenance or this project, but.

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From 3rd street west third street, where the turn into the shopping center and.

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There's arby's- and I don't know the name of that street right now. I'm sorry but.

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That's road the goals there and then the other one goes into the complex but goes.

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Straight down to jonathan gates, right, I want to know who owns that is that city.

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Or county property from from 3rd jonathan is, is all city.

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I know that I just is it clarifying? Is it sitting going mr.

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Cockrell nodding, yes, yes, that's all I'm asking.

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Cos, as was brought up before that particular area, is sidewalk, starved and.

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We probably need to look at that, but thank you that was hallmark comments.

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Thank you other comments. I just like to say that.

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I'm supported this and I think the county has been doing very good work and in terms of connectivity, this is really miss. Creek pike becomes busier as third.

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Street becomes busier it's needed and I'm glad that you're attending to.

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Sidewalks inside pass and so forth, which have been really fantastic out.

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There and improvements on curry pike have been fantastic and will detmer park.

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And all of that I think the county's done some outstanding work so with that.

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With someone like to call the question, okay, questions been called on the.

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Ordinance 1918 will the clerk please call the roll.

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Councilmember, roth! Yes, chopra; yes, piedmont! Smith! Yes! Granger! Yes,.

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Rallo yes bowling; yes, simms! Yes, mr. baum, yes, sandburg! Yes,.

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Thank you. Thank you. Ordinance 1918 is adopted, 9 0. Thank you.

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18:15 be introduced in red by title and synopsis. Only it's been moved and.

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Seconded ordinance, 1915 be introduced in red by the clerk by title and synopsis.

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Only all in favor, please say aye aye any opposed other court. Please read.

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Ordinance 1915 an ordinance authorizing the refunding of certain outstanding.

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Sewage works revenue, bonds of the city authorizing the issuance of the city of.

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Bloomington indiana sewage works, refunding revenue, bonds of 2019 to.

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Provide funds for such refunding and the payment of the cost thereof and.

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Addressing other matters connected therewith, the synopsis is as follows:.

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This ordinance authorizes the city of bloomington to issue its sewage works.

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Refunding revenue, bonds of 2019 in the aggregate principal amount not to exceed.

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Seven million six hundred fifty thousand dollars the 2019 bonds will be issued to.

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Brief on the city's currently outstanding sewage works revenue, bonds.

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Of two thousand for sewage works, revenue, bonds of 2006 series b and sewage works.

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Revenue bonds of 2006 series see all of the purpose of obtaining lower interest.

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Costs and a reduction of debt service payments on such outstanding bonds.

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Thereby achieving significant savings for the city. Your committee do pass.

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Recommendation is eight zero, zero. Thank you. Mr. president, I move that ordinance.

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1915 be adopted, thank you, mr. underwood jeff, underwood city controller and in.

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Referring to council member sims is a member of the utility service board.

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Working with the utilities, staff bond council and financial advisors, we've.

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Been able to flush out some savings on the wastewater department, so we're here.

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Maybe that a flesh flush, one of those two anyway we're here to propose the.

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Refunding of three state revolving wastewater bonds, series, 2004 series, 2006.

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Series b and 2006 series c a total of seven point: six: eight: six million.

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Dollars we're going to see a savings of approximately one hundred and twenty.

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Eight thousand dollars per year or four hundred and thirty four thousand dollars.

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Total this does not extend the maturities of these bonds. It keeps the.

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Same maturity, which for the 2004 series, is 2026 and for the 2006 series b and c.

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It's 2027 interest rates on the current bonds are about 3.3 23.4%.

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And this will take a death down to a true interest caused to about two.

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Percent I'd be happy to answer any questions and utility staff is here as.

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Well, thank you. That's really solids savings yeah.

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Questions for I think the chicken ordinance is bad, but it does increase.

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Their liquidity.

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All right, we will seeing no questions we'll go to the public for questions. Our.

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Comment: pardon me on ordinance 1915, seeing none we're back to council for.

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Comments, councilmember grainger, despite the hilarity. I think this is. I.

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Mean I'd love to hear this, you you do this a lot and I really appreciate it so.

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It's something I can support. The savings are important to us. Thank you. Other.

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Comment, I concur. It's always nice to save money. So thank you for your work on.

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This would someone care to call the question call the question. Second,.

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Questions can call it an ordinance, 1915 and seconded where the clerk please call.

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The roll just for the records, I didn't think the.

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Puns really stunk that badly okay council member chopra, yes, piedmont, smith,.

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Yes, granger everyone's a comedian. Yes,.

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Rolla? Yes, yes! Yes, thank you! Mr. baum, sorry sandburg! Yes,.

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Ruff, thank you. Thank you. We're in enstein 15 is adopted eight to.

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Zero. Thank you, mr. president, that moved that ordinance 1916 be introducing read.

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By title and synopsis, only second, it's been moved in seconded that ordinance.

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1916 be introduced in read by the clerk by title and synopsis. Only own favor say.

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Aye aye any opposed. Will the clerk please read.

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Ordinance 1916 to amend title 10 of the bloomington municipal code, entitled.

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Wastewater rate adjustment, the synopsis is as follows: this ordinance amends the.

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Rates and charges in title 10 of the bloomington municipal code entitled.

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Wastewater. To reflect increased costs of supplying wastewater services to.

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Customers and to make debt service payments on bond financing for required.

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Capital, it also establishes a new surcharge for.

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Service provided to lots, parcels of real estate or building is located outside.

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The corporate limits of the city, your committee recommendation, is, do pass 7:01.

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Thank you clerk. Well, mr. president, I move the ordinance 1960 we adopted.

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Second, mr. kelson, I'm vic kelson director of utilities, I'm accompanied by.

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Laura pettit, our assistant director for finance and jennifer wilson, who is a.

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Consultant with crow who participated and conducted the the financial analysis.

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For for this request, as in 2016, when we brought our last rate case to council, it.

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Was a 22% increase and at that time council asked us to to come with.

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Requests for rate adjustments on a more frequent and regular basis and at that.

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Time we decided to do the sewer and stormwater rates and during the midterm.

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Years and the water rates during the presidential years last year, we did the.

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Stormwater rate, but because of the time and the challenge of doing the cost of.

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Surface study for the sewer utility we were unable to get that completed in.

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Time so we bringing it this year a year later than we'd planned. In addition, both.

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Council and our board, and thank you to mr. simms for his service. There we've.

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Been encouraged to pursue a cost of service approach to rate making for.

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Water and for sewer in the case of sewer, we are allowed to establish, to establish.

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Customer classes based upon geography and we've chosen to do that in this case.

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With a a surcharge for customers that live or reside outside.

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The city limits of the city of bloomington, the reek overall, our rate.

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Request will raise about five percent. Our total in terms of our total revenues.

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That will be distributed as a three percent increase for residents of the.

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City who? Who utilize our sewer services and a 15 percent increase for customers.

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Outside the city limits, in addition to you know and sorry, I got tongue-tied.

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There, for a moment, this increased pace for two things: one is inflation and the.

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Cost of operation and maintenance of our entire system and the the remainder is.

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To cover capital projects totaling approximately thirty million dollars new.

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Investment in our wastewater plants for modernization and capacity expansion.

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Projects welcome any questions that you may have. Thank you, mr. kelson questions.

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For utilities, director councilmember, piedmont, smith, yes, just to make sure the.

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Twelve percent surcharge for customers who are outside the city limits is based.

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On the cost of providing the service to them, that's right all right! Thank you.

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Other kind of other questions pardon me from counsel counsel, my role so just to.

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Review a couple things to make sure I have it clear: the bulk of the increases.

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For capital improvements is that right, that's right! Yes,.

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And can you again just give us a brief synopsis from what you discussed in.

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Committee about the total potential capacity of the two plants- yes, certainly.

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At this time, the dillman road plant has a capacity rated capacity of 15 million.

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Gallons per day, and the blue trepal plant on the north side has a rated.

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Capacity of 6 million gallons per day item the indiana department.

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Of environmental management notified us shortly after the 2016 rate was approved.

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That we had exceeded 90% utilization at the dillman plant in three consecutive.

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Years, which requires us to begin the process of making improvements and in.

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Increasing the capacity at the building plant so that that's what brought us to.

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This this effort, also I neglected to mention council member volans question.

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About the number of customers we have twenty-two thousand five hundred and.

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Some-Odd over all of those about four thousand of them lie outside the city. We.

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I don't have access to the exact number at this time.

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Owing to staff vacations so, but when I get, the exact number will email it to.

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You good yeah. That was actually the other question I wanted to follow up on.

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Was what that figure was and again just to clarify there isn't, if I recall.

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Correctly, you say that there's no one in the city who will have to pay more.

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Because they're on all mean septic, doesn't isn't that part of the.

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System at all, if they have septic, that's right, but no one whose bar the city will.

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Pay more, but if someone is in next, they will only pay more until well. I would.

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Presume that, if, if an annexation discussion is going on right, we will be.

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Reworking the analysis of the inside-outside rate, while that.

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Discussion is going on, so I would. I would recommend to the council that in.

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The event that such a such an ordinance was coming along that we would bring.

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Ours at the same time, so that everything would happen simultaneously. What you're.

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Saying then, is that if an annexation were to occur, their rates would need to.

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Be adjusted for the new population which changes the balance of inside outside.

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The city, precisely that's interesting, so finally, there is like we explored.

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This last week, the only distinction that you can make to create classes of users.

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Is whether they are in an incorporated place or not? That's the current state of.

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The of the case law- yes, so those people who argue that they are just outside the.

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City limits, why should they pay more than somebody who's in the city, but much.

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Farther from the plant you say to them that you, you would think about it. If the.

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State had a different law, but this is what the state allows you to do exactly.

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Yes interesting, thank you. Other questions from council.

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I had mom, do you have a question just a little one? Doesn't this give the big.

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Users kind of a big break in the city like if you did the 5 percent.

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Across-The-Board increase they they're saving that 2% net and it's kind of and.

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As it turns out, the way we're readjusting is, the county is picking up.

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That slack for the large users, do you think, that's fair! Well, the the county.

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Isn't isn't paying it? The customers that aren't in the city are paying in so it's.

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The purpose of the surcharge is only to cover the difference in the cost of.

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Providing the service outside the city so another on the one hand, yes, we're.

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Paying we would be charging a certain surcharge to customers outside of the.

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City, on the other hand, what the analysis shows is that customers inside the city.

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Have been subsidizing the service? That's that's provided to the customers that.

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Don't reside inside the city, so it works kind of both ways. Just the players are.

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Different if there are giant user or an individual, it works the same way.

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For everyone, it's just a bigger number: it's just a bigger number, yeah. Okay, come.

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Summer granger, thank you. So my question is: if we let's say we have an area of.

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The county that we annex, I don't care, you know just even a small area, the.

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People then become residents of the city and their water charges would go down.

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That that they would no longer be charged that elevated surcharge, that.

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Correct they would be they would. What we'd have to do is if, if you recall the.

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Analysis that crowe permit presented last week, we did that analysis based on.

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Where the customers are where the pipe lies and so forth, and so what we would.

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Do is, do that analysis again, which would yield probably yield a new outside rate.

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And a new inside rate, and so what would happen is when the annexation were.

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Complete all the customers inside the city would pay the new inside rate.

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Correct all the customers in outside the city would pay the new outside right.

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Correct. Thank you. That's how it would work. Yes,.

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Other questions I had one just kind of reflection. I guess I think.

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Cost-Of-Service approach is a good one, it seems fair to me it and, as has been.

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Already commented by by you mr. kelson it its remedies: the subsidy ssin of.

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Growth or geographic expansion outside the city by internalizing those costs so.

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That the user pays essentially forth for that, instead of people who live within.

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The city, so it it makes sense from controlling sprawl position and but.

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You've was surely considered that raising the rates might have a.

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A negative impact and it's in terms of county residents, say deciding to build.

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Their own septic to avoid that and that's remedy to summit degree in the.

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Next ordinance, right under its this some degree so is that was that the.

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Consideration of you and your board is that there I mean you raise rates.

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There's going to be a negative impact as well, obviously in terms of behavior, so.

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That is this to address that. Well, that's a good question.

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The in real terms, it turns out to be about $3 a month difference and that.

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That is, that is a significant amount, but it's it's. It's not likely to be the.

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Determining factor about whether someone replaces a septic tank or not yeah the.

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The determining factor is more likely to be whether they have a place that they.

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Can put it or not if they were going to replace it and also whether the county.

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Health department would allow them to replace an existing septic tank so.

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There's those issues are are more more challenging and, of course, the more.

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Customers connect the better, it is for the surface waters and also the the more.

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Customers that outside rate would be distributed across. So if, if several.

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Thousand people got rid of their septic tanks and hooked onto sewer the outside.

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Subsidy would probably go down because there would be more people served by the.

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Same amount of sewer mains mm-hmm, so so those things all kind of work together.

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It's it's kind of a complicated formula. Yeah I see how could make complex any.

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Other questions, seeing none we'll go to the public for.

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Comments on ordinance, 1916, seeing no public comment, we're back to council for.

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Final comment and a recommendation: customer granger.

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Thank you. I I think I well. I said this last time that the city has an.

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Obligation to provide services to city residents- and that includes water- and I.

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Think it's appropriate to have a bit of a surcharge for people outside the city.

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If they are receiving city services- and I I you know- I would never say $4- is.

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Just a little bit or $3 is just a little bit, but I do think this customer class.

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And cost of services approach is appropriate and I appreciate your.

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Efforts to to figure all this out and make it equitable. If you will- and I will.

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Be supporting this. Thank you. Thank you, councilmember simpson. Thank you. I will.

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Be supporting this ordinance as well and following the humor of my colleagues, I.

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Will say, being a part of the utility service board is definitely not a drain.

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I think the business that you take care of flows unclogged and it actually pumps.

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Me up now seriously, thank you for the comments you made about the staff and.

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There's many more than in what's present here that really really worked well and.

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I think you should be proud of them. I do expect them to improve and learn more.

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But we should be happy thanks to the consultant, and I also want to thank them.

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Attorney wheeler as well, everybody puts a lot of work into doing what it is that.

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We have to do big difference between rate increases and some possible tax.

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Increases but but that's kind of whirl in with those differences, because one of the things.

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That really concerned me from the individual resident is that we have.

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Individual rate, people that could have whipped raise certain rates and we have.

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Some that can authorize higher taxes and in most cases it's where that a little.

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Bit here and it's not that much, I know a little bit ears on that mug. Well, what is.

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The total obligation- and I don't want to say, tax, we'll call it an investment on.

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The advice of one of my colleagues. But what does that total obligation become.

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Over time, so I think that ought to be part of our our thinking you and.

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Everyone else that will raise those rates, so I'm happy to hear you mention.

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Inflation, that's part of the process earlier, because I was going to suggest.

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It's either tie to that or cost a living or something, but not only just yours, but.

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In addition to all when I understand that part of this is catching up with.

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Some shortcomings that we just have to go and part of it has to do with growth.

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But there's catching up part. We've heard some of this already with regard to.

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Maintenance of parking garages- so I don't know about my colleagues but I.

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Really don't particularly want to hear about that moving on into the future, so.

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I'm glad that we are getting up to the point so that we can maintain and.

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Enhance as opposed to keep repairing what it is that we've got or behind in.

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On these repairs, so thank you. I will support it and thanks for your report.

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Thank you thanks for your comment and do we have any other comments. Councillor.

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So if the state, like I said in committee last week, allowed us to do unigov, then.

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It would be fair for non city residents to expect to have a say in the setting.

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Of these rates, but the state doesn't allow that they tried the experiment.

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With van mayor lugar in 1970, whatever it was, and they did not want to see it.

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Happen again, if the state allowed us to create well, I guess the state could.

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Allow the city to join with the county and surrounding counties in the creation.

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Of a unified public transit system, but state law does not allow the city of.

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Lewiston system, which is designed for the city of bloomington, to go outside.

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City limits so non city residents, don't have a say in that either. This is the.

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Price of not living in the city, it costs money to provide these services, cities.

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Are allowed to incorporate because they're so dense that they can save some.

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Money providing services that can't be affordably provided outside a dense area.

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If the state allowed us to charge for distance for wastewater pipes, we would.

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Do that, but the state law does not allow us to make any distinction other than do.

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You live in an incorporated place or don't you and because state law does not allow that we are not offering it. We didn't.

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Contemplate it, I think this is has been an excellent education in the mechanics.

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Of municipal of city government- and I certainly commend the utilities for.

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Presenting such a sort of level-headed and relatively simple, reasonable.

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Explanation for how these rates are going, and it's writing. I think wrong.

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That we should have had two classes of rates for a while. So I'm glad we're.

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Doing it now, the same went for what was it.

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There was a previous we wanted to have different rates for different classes of.

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Users, or rather escalating rates for people who use too much water.

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The state also disallowed that so it seems to me if there are any people.

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Outside the city, by the way we are in the county too, so I don't want to hear.

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People being out in the county, they are outside the city. If there are people.

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Outside the city, who have a problem with this.

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Well, the state seems to be regulating it quite well. They should have to talk with.

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Their state representatives, not like they haven't been the state, is busily.

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Doing more to erode home rule and to allow communities to do necessary things.

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Like this, so with that comment made, I just want to say thank you to julie's.

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Department for their excellent presentation- that was, you, know easily.

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Grasped and definitely necessary. I supported thank you, council, mr. roman.

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Yeah I appreciate the rational justification of this move. I just think.

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More in terms of region- and I think these lines between city county are in.

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The ultimate sense, arbitrary and there's unfairness it in here and in here and.

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There are different ways to to think of it and in my mind, I think we should just.

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Be serving the region and- and I'm not going to support going this way. But I.

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Can see it's going to pass, but that's just how I feel about it. I think we.

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Should just think in terms of a region and flat rate across.

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Okay, any other comments comes more voland. Did you want it yeah? I just want.

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To say it was their first friend comments. Other personal comments.

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Customer chopra did you ever come.

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Customer vote simply put: why should people who do not live in the city do.

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Not pay the same tax rate and who have complained mightily about it, have a.

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Right to have this say I do not understand customers, dear mom's, opinion.

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Even though I understand what he means, I can't fathom it's the most basic thing.

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That line is not arbitrary that lines a line where you pay taxes to support the.

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Benefits of a dense city where or you or you don't pay those taxes and if that.

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Line were so arbitrary. There would not be the uproar that was. We witnessed two.

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Years ago, with the question of annexation, so the big reason people who.

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Don't live in the city, don't want to be a nexus, they don't want to pay extra.

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Taxes, if they believe rightly or not, that they are not getting anything for.

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Their dollar, I would argue that it would be recompense for all the things they.

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Happen getting and not paying for all these years. Thank you. Thank you. Other.

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Comment counselor mr. baum cosmically arbitrary and leave it at that.

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Any other comment I have one. Okay, I don't think it's arbitrary. I think that.

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This makes sense because I think that it does it just stands to reason: you're.

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Gonna require more pipe and to extend the services and we, the people who live.

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Compactly in the city should not be subsidizing that I mean.

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So it internalizes cos, it makes sense to me the cost do go up. You have more cost.

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And energy every year costs go up in chemicals, piping and and in labor, and so.

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Forth so I didn't. My second comment was that I.

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I want to thank you for coming on a regular basis, for these rate increases.

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Coming only every in ten years, which you know you were forced to do, because when.

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You came last time, you didn't have a choice in the matter, but people don't think about the fact that they've enjoyed savings for many.

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Years they say sticker shock and and this avoids it- and this keeps parity.

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With with increases in cost- and I think the fact that there's no one objecting.

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As a testament to that so call the question.

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Okay, the questions been called insight on ordinance, 1916 or the clerk. Please.

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Call the roll councilman rapide mont smith, yes,.

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Granger, yes, raleigh; yes, bowen, yes, simms! Yes, mr. baum, I'm sorry.

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No van berg, yes ruff yeah chopra. Yes, thank you.

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Thank you, ordinance 1916 is adopted 8 into 1. Thank you. Mr. president, I move.

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That ordinance 1917 be introduced in red by title and synopsis. Only it's been.

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Moved and seconded ed ordinance 1917 be introduced in red by the clerk by title.

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And synopsis only all in favor, please say aye aye any opposed for the clerk. Please read.

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Ordinance 1917 two men title ten at the bloomington municipal code entitled.

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Wastewater regarding amending bloomington municipal code, 1008 of 400.

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Connection fees to allow waiver of those fees and two limited circumstances to.

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Promote conversion of septic to sewer and to complement certain city.

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Affordable housing programs, the synopsis is as follows: ordinance 1917 amends.

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Bloomington municipal code, section 1008 of 400 entitled wastewater connection.

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Fees to give direct the director of the city of bloomington utilities, department.

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The discretion to waive the connection fee for new sewer connections and to.

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Limited circumstances, the first is where the application for waiver is made by a.

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Department of the city of bloomington for a single-family residential dwelling.

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Affordable housing project, as defined by the hand department using low to.

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Moderate income guidelines, as outlined by the us department of housing and.

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Urban development on real estate, located within the city limits for the city of.

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Bloomington, the second is where the application for waiver is made by an.

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Owner of real property, which is located within the city limits of the city of.

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Bloomington for the purpose of abandoning in the existing septic system.

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Or to otherwise protect the sewer, separate stormwater sewer system? Ms for.

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These two exceptions to the connection fee promote continued creation of a new.

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Affordable housing and the reduction of septic system use in the city of.

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Bloomington projects that both promote improved quality of life.

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Your committee recommendation is due pass: eight zero, zero and just for the.

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Record I'd like to note that I made a small correction when I was reading the.

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Synopsis with the bloomington municipal code section, I corrected it as I read it,.

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To 1008, oh 400, as opposed to what it says in the synopsis right now, which is.

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1008 1 4. Well, thank you for that and think.

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Correction, mr. president, I move that ordinance 1917 be adopted. Mr. wheeler.

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Welcome good evening chris wheeler was city legal. Thank you. The correct.

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Citation for the bloomington municipal code is ten point, zero, eight point: one.

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Four zero and should be as such throughout I'm not sure where we are.

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With that, but just to make sure that we're reflecting that that's the.

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Bloomington municipal code, section that we are discussing and hoping to amend.

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This evening point of order. Mr. chair clark, please clarify we were just.

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Discussing the fact that the correct section is one for oh, so, okay, you are.

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Correctly 401, when you read it right, I said oh four, oh, but it should be one for.

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Ago and I think you're going to do a amendment.

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Thank you. It's a real amendment to offer.

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Mr. wheeler can present first thank you very much and I will present as though.

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The amendment hasn't been presented yet, but what we are trying to do this.

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Evening the staff of the city of bloomington utilities department and the.

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City of bloomington legal department are recommending passage of this proposed.

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Amendment to title 10, section 1008, one: four: zero to create two new programs or.

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At least to promote programs that city bloomington utilities believes are.

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Advantageous to the benefit of the health and wellness of this society and.

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Those two programs are to allow waivers to be accepted.

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For payment of connection fees to the wastewater system, the first waiver would.

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Be for application by the city of bloomington, housing and neighborhood.

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Development department in situations where a project for residential dwelling.

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Affordable housing is going on and that is based upon using low to moderate.

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Income guidelines, as the outlined by us department of housing and urban.

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Development on real estate that is located solely within the city limits.

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The second application would be for waiver by an owner of real estate, real.

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Property, either in city limits or outside of city limits. Who is wishing to.

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Abandon a septic system or to otherwise protect the municipal, separate storm.

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Water sewer system, we believe that these are good programs. We believe the.

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Amendment is appropriate and we ask the city council passed the proposed.

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Amendment. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. wheeler, before we go to council.

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Questions we'll entertain the amendment. I think.

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One to ordinance 1917, so this amendment has two parts one of them is was brought.

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To my attention by the staff that there was an incorrect reference to the loom.

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To municipal code, it is to be corrected to refer to the section on wastewater.

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Rates or yeah, which is bmc 10.0 8.14, oh and the second part of the amendment, is.

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To clarify the boarding in section to be, as mr. wheeler just described I'll just.

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Read this short paragraph upon application for a waiver by an owner of.

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Real property, which is adjacent to an easement or public roadway, in which a.

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Public sewer is located, provided that the public sewer has a capacity to.

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Adequately accept the flow for the purpose of abandoning an existing septic.

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System or to otherwise protect the municipal, separate storm water sewer.

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System ms4, so I I think council member granger and I both felt like the wording.

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Was unclear in in this section, so this makes it clear that it doesn't have to.

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Be somebody within the city limits who's abandoning septic could be outside of.

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City limits, as long as they are located proximate to public sewer and that.

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There's capacity, thank you. Other questions for council members, speeding.

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On smith and granger, more city attorney's, it comes more volume yeah, so.

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With respect to the comments that I made in the previous ordinance you're saying.

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That this, the the second part of this amendment, does not limit the opportunity.

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To have a stormwater fee waived to somebody living within city limits.

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The reasoning is that their use of septic may have an impact on our ms4 on.

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The municipal separate storm water sewer system, so if getting them off of septic.

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Might help improve our stormwater quality, then it's a good idea to waive.

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Their fees as well I'd like to ask mr. wheeler to weigh in on this. You have any.

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Opinion about this question, or do you want to know whether I have an opinion.

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On that, I want a general opinion from y'all over.

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There we, the opinion from city of bloomington utilities, is that this is a.

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Very good program- and it wasn't the intentions of the utilities department.

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To limit it just to the city, it should be for anybody who has the ability to.

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Connect to the sewer system and wishes to abandon their septic okay. Mr. kelson.

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Yes, vicki allison utilities, director the.

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We're talking about how we implement these these, these waivers in the case of.

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The storm, the the ms for septic tank waiver, one way that we could handle that.

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Would be to have our ms4 program actually reimburse the sewer utility for.

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The lost revenue owing to the the wave connection fee, if we were to use if who.

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Would our we have a storm? Our storm water utility would reimburse the sewer.

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Utility, I say for for the waiver, if that were the case, that we could implement a.

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Partnership with the county's stormwater utility, if they were interested in it to.

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Do a similar activity outside the city because they also have a stormwater.

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Utility outside the city and plus some of the.

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Water, as councilmember piedmont smith, pointed out some of this. Some of the.

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Drainage ways that are in the county actually in some cases may flow back and.

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May flow into the city, so we would benefit to some degree from rms forward to benefit from some to some degree from.

R

That's a very interesting answer. I wanted to get to that that point so.

G

You're saying that within the city, the city sewer system would reimburse the.

G

Stormwater system other way around okay, but outside the city you wouldn't, but.

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The county might or a county water system some county, some outside of.

R

Cities yeah that's completely up in the air. We haven't figured any of that out.

R

Yet but this would open up the possibility that we could partner with the county in some fashion, on septic tank placement outside the city. So can.

G

You see why I might have a least a nominal concern about whether you know I.

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Mean despite the fact that it would be a net benefit to the network, should those.

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People who own outside the city not take more responsibility financially for.

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Their conversion- well, that's actually, and that's actually part of the part of.

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The question here and the ordinance only gives us discretion to issue the waivers.

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It doesn't require that we that we waive any of these fees, so we will have to.

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Come up with rules and policies in working with our board for the actual.

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Implementation of all of this, so at this point we don't have that all worked out.

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Yet, but that is certainly something to consider.

R

I appreciate the answer, but I'm not sure that it's been fully vetted. I mean like.

G

From a should, I not have the same concern about non city residents.

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Benefiting out of proportion to city residents for this waiver program.

G

Well, the with what the sewer connection fee pays for it's a it's a system.

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Development charge and what it's paying for is the future increase in capacity.

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At the treatment plants so.

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So they both everyone pays the same amount because we treat everybody's the.

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Flow the same so so that it doesn't. So that's why the connection fee is the.

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Same inside and outside what we do in terms of the ms4 program depends on.

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Conversations both inside utilities, discussions with the board will also.

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Entertain dis conversations with the county to see what kinds of programs we.

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Can come up with to really formalize the septic tank replacement program, so the.

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Connection fee covers the increase, the necessary increased capacity at the.

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Plant but it doesn't cover the increased network of pipes. That's right because.

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The increase the network of pipes is actually paid for by the developers as.

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New to new subdivisions are developed, and so someone say in broad view or.

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Outside the city is not paying the connection fee or trying to get it.

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Waived because of the pipes is because of the capacity at the plant precisely.

G

Yes, very good thinking, it comes mr. roemer waiver as an incentive. Do you.

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Ever get people hooking on whose system has not failed? I mean to people, wait.

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Until it fails or do they ever think, okay, it's working fine, but let's, let's.

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Look on well we're in the right now we're in the midst of a project. That's.

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Been largely funded by a grant from the cdbg monies to build a new sewer that.

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Serves part of the broadview neighborhood and that we have had a lot.

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Of inquiries from residents there about how they connect to the sewer and how.

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How soon can they do it, I'm sure some of them have failing systems. I'm also sure.

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That some of them just don't want to have to deal with it anymore.

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One of the things that I think should be an important part of any septic tank.

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Waiver program is that the septic tank has to be properly abandoned. That's that.

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Is filled in and you know properly and properly.

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Properly decommissioned and the county health department does inspect those.

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Kinds of things, so we would, we would try to partner with them to have them.

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Certify that it was properly abandoned before we would issue the waiver right.

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That's what we heard last week that there's an additional cost to the.

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Homeowner to connect and that cost is the abandonment, the hooking up of the.

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New plumbing sewer line to the old so to the tents. Mr. vong, I have a question.

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We're trying to address the amendment at this point and I think your questions.

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Are going kind of lower or feel to the ordinances? Oh yeah? Okay? So let's try to.

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Keep to the amendment hold that answer for later comment on the I'm sorry.

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They're, quite this is questions on the amendment. Okay, seeing none we'll go to.

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The public this is on amendment one ordinance 1917, seeing none we're back to.

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Council for final comment on the amendment or recommendation comfortable.

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Yeah, I think that my questions continue to mean the they're bringing sort of a.

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Package of ordinances tonight from utilities and the the the question of.

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Inside and outside the city is still a worthy one, even though I understand the.

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The the logic, the you know its unassailable logic from mrs. wheeler and.

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Kelson, but I don't think it's unfair to ask the question about you know what is.

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Fair, what's allowed under state law that would allow us to make it fair. I support.

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The amendment, but you know like I think we should always be asking those.

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Questions about what is fair for the system as a whole.

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Thank you. Thank you, councillor, granger, okay, it's a recommendation, move the call.

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The question: okay questions and callin amendment 1 of.

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Ordinance 1917 well the clerk. Please call the roll.

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Councilman mccrane jure, yes, rallo, yes, bowen, yes, simms, yes, jeroboam, yes, and.

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Berg, yes, ruff. Yes,.

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Yes, few months, myth, yes, thank you zero. Thank you. Amendment one is adopted.

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Nine zero now we're back to the ordinance 1917 is amended there we're on.

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Questions and I'm going to go to councilmember, stir bomb, because I.

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Interrupted him I'll finish that question with asking: if you have any.

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Idea does hand have a loan program that could help incentivize that hook on.

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Do you have any idea not aware sorry, I don't know the answer if you'd like for.

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Me to look into that I'd be happy to do so. That would actually create an.

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Incentive where they don't have, that hurdle of the five to ten thousand.

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Dollar, cost of connecting and filling the subject yeah I I know that with most.

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Of the housing and urban development federal funding that funding cannot go.

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Towards fees- and this is a fee, and so that is why the waiver program with.

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Regards to affordable housing was even contemplated in the first place, so I.

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Daresay we're probably going to find that the answer is no. There is no kind.

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Of funding available through hand that would allow us to do any kind of.

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Additional incentivizing to avoid these fees, you could be right come summer.

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Volman does utilities have any kind of a loan program we do not. Is it the kind of.

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Thing that is worth considering we, we discussed it in the context of a.

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Different program a couple of years ago- and it's not something that we're really.

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Capable of doing we're, not a bank, so what we we don't have the ability to do.

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That so the question I have came up: what we're talking about the.

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Amendment has ever been a case where there's been a fire in an area. That's.

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Poorly supported with sewers that so much water has been sprayed that it.

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Caused any kind of damage water damage to a nearby home, because there wasn't.

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Sufficient sewer near it, maybe even not in the city, maybe anywhere, have you ever.

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Heard of such a case is that something to worry about.

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I I don't know if any that would be a stormwater runoff.

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Concerned, I'm not sure, although we do have, we have had cases where water mains.

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Have broken and done damage to private property. So, but I don't know of any that.

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Were related to putting out fires, but I can look into that and let you know it's.

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A question worth asking for the future: would you really consider that kind of.

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Water stormwater, rather than waste water, because it's gonna have a lot of you.

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Know the material from the fire in it it actually becomes stormwater or sewer.

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Water, depending on where it goes so, if I go spray, 5,000 gallons on a house, it's.

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Probably not going to go into the sanitary sewer, it's gonna flow across.

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The yard and into the ditch sorry good, that's where it probably goes.

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Thank you other questions from council. I have mr. kelson other specific areas.

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Were you identified where stormwater runoff is compromised by septic overflow.

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Or where the health department has reported it, that would be targeted in.

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Other words so that you know people may not be reading the paper or they might.

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Miss the paper they might not, they might miss this meeting, not know about the waiver other ways in which we can extend. You know the information.

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About the waivers to those areas, an area where those areas, certainly, if once such.

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A program is established, we would certainly make it make it our practice.

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To give information about it to a customer who was replacing septic with a.

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Sewer connection and when, when people do that, we do find out that the reason that.

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They're doing it is their their coming away from taking out a septic system and.

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The the benefit to the city is first, the ms4 benefits from not having them on.

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Septic, it also benefits from properly abandoning the old septic tank that.

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Those things can abandon septic tanks that were not properly filled in can.

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Become a significant public health and safety hazard, so there's a lot of.

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Benefits to us to to offer this incentive so that things are done.

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Properly, when when septics are abandoned and you're within your stormwater, the.

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Engineers are probably aware of some areas where this is occurring. I'm.

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Certain that we had over I'm certain that we have some areas where this is.

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Occurring as as you know, the council has been very helpful in the last two budget.

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Cycles to help us expand our our ms4 program. We now have a dedicated ms4.

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Coordinator, we're doing a lot more inspections and we're doing a lot more.

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Characterization of the system, that's a project that will be ongoing for the.

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Next, next forever, probably for a very long time, you've also passed the.

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Increase in the stormwater fee, and that is underwriting not only the green.

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Infrastructure projects that we've talked about, but it would underwrite.

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Neighborhood programs that would underwrite just you know, and the of.

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Course, the large capital projects, so we've worked we've I think we've worked.

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With you a lot on stormwater projects or programs for the last couple of years.

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And certainly our ability to characterize the water quality.

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Throughout our network is we have a lot more capacity for doing that sort of.

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Thing now and those will, those things will be happening in the future.

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Wonderful, if there are no other questions, then we'll go to the public.

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There's a public comment on ordinance 1917 as amended, seeing none we're back.

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To council for final comment: councilman granger, all right- I do want to thank you.

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For for this piece of legislation, and I'm urging you to continue your work.

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With the county, because I think if we work together, it'll be a stronger.

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Program and it will benefit the environment all the way around. Thank you.

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Thank you other comment. Thank you. This is a wonderful approach and I'm.

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Wholeheartedly agree, oh I'm sorry. Councilmember simms did you have a.

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Comment: yeah. Thank you. Okay. I didn't see or hear I'm starting. I was a little bit.

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Late, okay, but one of the things is that and just my comment: we've talked for.

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Several years and many of us up here in the board about cost of services, studies.

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And it took us a while to get that completed and now that it's done it's.

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Kind of frustrating yeah I mean I it's okay, to ask certain questions, but we've.

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Been through this and that's one of the things that we've done is the cost of.

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Services study- and I think it pretty much- explains the cost. Now none of us.

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Have to like those calls, but I think it explains those things and last thing I.

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Want to say the incentive to hooking up the sewer to our sewer system from a.

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Failed septic, let's, let's start all over again, what is the incentive for a person.

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With the septic, to hook on to sewer, I personally think it's pretty obvious.

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Because you want to be on sewer system as opposed to septic.

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And that is the incentive, so I don't think we have to give them another 500.

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Bucks or something on top of that to incentivize them to get out of a system.

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That's eventually going to fail and not be part of it anyway.

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And that's their choice, but with the cost of studies it costs a little bit.

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More full hookups, but I just remember it's not been too long ago when it was.

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Very cheap to do sewer hook on and it didn't come close to covering the cost.

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Of that service, so I'm all that rolled into that ball, I think, is kind of where.

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We are tonight and I'll support this ordinance. Thank you.

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Thank you, councilmember sims customer valen. Yes, I'm a little surprised to hear.

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My colleagues say that he's surprised that people are asking questions it.

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Would be incumbent upon the council's representative to the usb to educate us.

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About something that we don't know about, otherwise that's exactly what this process is for, I'm not sure what questions that that he objected to.

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Necessarily and I'm happy to hear from him what you know what he think, what.

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About that, but I feel like my questions were quite well answered and.

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Satisfactorily and I'm supportive of this ordinance. Thank you. Consumer sims.

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Any anyone else for final comments, all right, I'm waiting for a recommendation.

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And the questions can call them. Second, an ordinance 1917 is amended with a clerk.

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Please call the roll councilmember rolla, yes,.

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Boland, yes simms. Yes, mr. baum, yes, sandburg! Yes,.

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Ruff, yes, chopra, yes, few months, smith! Yes, yes, thank you.

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Thank you, ordinance 1917, as a as adopt as amended is adopted, 9 0. Thank you for.

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Presenting and coming this evening.

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Ok, legislation for first reading. We have one item. Mr. president, I move that.

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Ordinance 1919 be introduced and read by title and synopsis. Only it's been moved.

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And seconded that ordinance, 1919 been introduced in red by the clerk clerk by.

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Title and synopsis only all in favor, say aye.

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Any opposed well, the clerk. Please read ordinance 1919 to amend title 2 of the.

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Bloomington municipal code entitled administration and personnel regarding.

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Amending title to to create a procedure to address conflicts of interest by.

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Employees responsible for issuing permits the synopsis is as follows:.

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This ordinance brings the city of bloomington into compliance with indiana.

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Code 36 127 1 through indiana code, 36 127 4 by creating a formal procedure to.

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Ensure that building commissioners building code officials and inspectors.

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Avoid conflicts of interest. Thank you. Okay. We are now on additional public.

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Comment if anyone in the public would like to make a comment, seeing none we're.

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Now at counsels schedule mr. sherman, yes, in your memo tonight, I suggest that you.

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Might want to consider a motion to convert the committee's a whole on.

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October, 2nd from a to a regular session. This is now a time of the year for us.

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In from the next month, you are spending.

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Half of your weeks, working on the budget, the other half of those weeks working on.

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Normal legislation, that's why you have a first wednesday, that is a committee of.

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The whole this would change that would say that is going to be a regular.

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Session it would allow you to take care of some business that will be going out.

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In the packet this week and also know in next week's packet but more importantly,.

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If the you do is ready for your consideration at that time, that it would.

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Allow you to vote on your schedule for the you do and meet our statutory.

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Obligation to take up the you do the first regular meeting after it's been.

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Handed to us, so, okay, that's the story behind this suggestion. Thank you. Can we.

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Get a motion on the table. The meeting scheduled for october, 2nd for from a.

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Committee of the whole to a regular session. Okay.

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This is apparently debatable and amendable and retirement requires a.

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Majority, are there any questions or comments.

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Councilman piedmon smith. So what were we going to discuss at committee of the.

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Whole that we now have to discuss another time sure.

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One was just introduced a few moments ago. Another is a resolution that were.

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Regarding declaration of an indigenous peoples day, well, we can do that at a.

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Regular session, too, that that can be done at the regular session. Yes, yes and.

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The third has to do with authorizing or passing an inducement resolution to.

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Allow private activity bonds for the housing authority. This follows on what.

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You did earlier this year allowing them to changing the rules of our agreement.

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So they could do this and now it's coming forward at this point. Those are.

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The three that I know about the fourth would be a schedule for the you do.

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So what, according to what you know at this moment, what we would have as.

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Committee of the whole on october, 2nd would be the ordinance 1919. The.

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Indigenous peoples day and the bloomington housing authorities, so I.

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Know that the indigenous peoples day doesn't necessarily need a committee.

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Meeting so that could still go on that night, but the other two. So when would.

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They be heard in committee. Would that be moving them up in the schedule or moving.

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Them back and does that have any impact on their timeline there. Both resolutions.

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No one is one is an ordinance and the others of resolution. They would not get.

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A committee the home, so if you were not ready to take them up you could they.

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Could be postponed until the 16th without any harm, I think, to either one.

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Of them, okay, thank you. If there's no other comment or question call the.

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Question: okay: this is to change the committee of the whole on its october.

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2Nd to a regular session meeting for the council, all in favor say aye.

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Hi any opposed consider that change, then anything else on schedule. Mister firm.

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Thank you, okay. Is there a motion for german, so moved all in favor, aye.

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We are adjourned.

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